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Re: Openvpn and Network mapping
by Levasseur, Kenneth 03 Feb '19

03 Feb '19

Do you need to route the entire network, or just access the NAS and other hosts? I think you could do something with SSH reverse tunneling, given you have a VPS. On the NAS: ssh -R <desired_port>:localhost:22 user@<vps_address> Then, once you've ssh'd into the VPS from anywhere else: ________________________________ From: Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 1:42:35 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion Cc: Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob Subject: [WLUG] Openvpn and Network mapping So I've found myself in an unfortunate situation where I cannot port forward on my router. My solution to this was to setup an openvpn tunnel on my VPS that would allow me to access my LAN via a NAS that I keep online in my apartment. (In other words, my laptop would connect to my VPS, which would route to my apartment via my NAS, and thus expose the LAN). The big problem is that the network uses 192.168.1.0/24, and given that I cannot edit any router settings, I cannot change this. If I were to simply expose this subnet via openvpn, I wouldn't be able to access any other 192.168.1.0/24 address if I were connect to the VPN. My plan was to try and use some iptables magic to map 10.24.0.0/24 to 192.168.1.0. Luckily, this works, thanks to the NETMAP extension (iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -d 10.24.0.0/24 -j NETMAP --to 192.168.1.0/24, for the curious). However, the only way I can make this work is if I add the NAS as a gateway on all of the machines I want to connect to on my LAN, which is a bit sad (ip route add 192.168.255.0/24 via 192.168.1.69) . Is there some way I can make this a bit more seamless? This isn't my least favorite solution, as I don't need to run the openvpn client on every host, but it isn't much better...

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Openvpn and Network mapping
by Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob 03 Feb '19

03 Feb '19

So I've found myself in an unfortunate situation where I cannot port forward on my router. My solution to this was to setup an openvpn tunnel on my VPS that would allow me to access my LAN via a NAS that I keep online in my apartment. (In other words, my laptop would connect to my VPS, which would route to my apartment via my NAS, and thus expose the LAN). The big problem is that the network uses 192.168.1.0/24, and given that I cannot edit any router settings, I cannot change this. If I were to simply expose this subnet via openvpn, I wouldn't be able to access any other 192.168.1.0/24 address if I were connect to the VPN. My plan was to try and use some iptables magic to map 10.24.0.0/24 to 192.168.1.0. Luckily, this works, thanks to the NETMAP extension (iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -d 10.24.0.0/24 -j NETMAP --to 192.168.1.0/24, for the curious). However, the only way I can make this work is if I add the NAS as a gateway on all of the machines I want to connect to on my LAN, which is a bit sad (ip route add 192.168.255.0/24 via 192.168.1.69) . Is there some way I can make this a bit more seamless? This isn't my least favorite solution, as I don't need to run the openvpn client on every host, but it isn't much better...

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Re: struggling w/ reliable printers on CUPS in small office
by Aljerin Butler,Jr. 25 Jan '19

25 Jan '19

Try my website here (especially HPLIP) at the compatibility links.(http://customdesktopsolutions.mywebcommunity.org/index.php/linux-ope… Al Butler On Wednesday, January 23, 2019, 11:12:51 PM EST, Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: I have an HP Officejet 8600 that only gets "paused" if I unplug it, in my testing. YMMV Get Outlook for Android From: Bradley Noyes via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07:29 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion Cc: Bradley Noyes Subject: [WLUG] struggling w/ reliable printers on CUPS in small office WLug-gers, tl;dr: Can someone recommend a printer (or printer brand) that is reliable for printing via CUPS? I’m struggling w/ printers in a small office and i've struggled to get any kind of guidance on-line. The volume of pages printed at the office is probably around 100 pages a day and there are 4 printers — all HPs and all consumer grade — each printer has its purpose, e.g. there's an 11x17 printer, one color laser, one BW laster, one color inkjet. The office is all iMACs, which connect to a Linux CUPS server. The iMacs were networking directly w/ the printers, but i added the CUPS server to try to mitigate the poor reliability with only marginal results. Routinely printers become “paused” in CUPS so i need to go in and ‘unpause’ them, also some printers just fall of the network entirely. Inevitably the only printer that works most of the time is the ink-jet which is a lot more expensive to re-fill. I’m looking for a reliable solution. If anyone has a recomendation that’d be great! Thanks, — Brad _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

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Demon haunted laptop has found the light...
by Tim Keller 11 Jan '19

11 Jan '19

Now running Ubuntu 18.10 and working happy as a clam... Touch screen works and everything! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: Last Reminder: WLUG Meeting tomorrow! Taylor Room (rm 128)
by Tim Keller 10 Jan '19

10 Jan '19

Yes, this room is has a large screen and a VGA/HDMI connection. As as aside, do you need a ride tonight? Thanks, Tim. On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 2:18 AM Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I believe so, yes. It definitely has HDMI. > > Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36> > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2019 2:07:09 AM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion > *Cc:* wlug(a)lists.wlug.org; turbofx(a)gmail.com; Keith Wright > *Subject:* [WLUG] Re: Last Reminder: WLUG Meeting tomorrow! Taylor Room > (rm 128) > > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > Last reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow in the WPI Student Center > > Taylor Room (rm 128) at 7PM. > > I just noticed this is a new room. > > It has a big screen with a VGA connection, yes? > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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VGA
by Keith Wright 10 Jan '19

10 Jan '19

"Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob" <njkrichevsky(a)wpi.edu> says: > I believe so, yes. It definitely has HDMI. I don't think I do. I have tried this laptop in the Mid-century room with VGA, I think. > Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> Who's gonna make me? -- Keith

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Last Reminder: WLUG Meeting tomorrow! Taylor Room (rm 128)
by Tim Keller 10 Jan '19

10 Jan '19

Hey Gang, Last reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow in the WPI Student Center Taylor Room (rm 128) at 7PM. Date & Time: Jan. 10th, 2019 @ 7pm Location: WPI Student Center Room 128 "Taylor Room" It's the room at the BOTTOM of the stairs. Topic: A Scheme to Bootstrap Trust. Presenter: Dr. Keith Wright. Snacks and Refreshments will be provided and we'll head off for dinner afterwards to continue to conversation. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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So about the Feb. Meeting... it falls on valentines day...
by Tim Keller 07 Jan '19

07 Jan '19

We can talk about this at the meeting but looking at at calendar the Feb. WLUG meeting is going to fall on Valentines day. I see this as a problem... Why don't we move it to the 21st preemptively. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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WLUG Meeting THIS Thursday Jan. 10th, 2019! Topic: A Scheme to bootstrap Trust
by Tim Keller 07 Jan '19

07 Jan '19

Here are the pertinent details: Date & Time: Jan. 10th, 2019 @ 7pm Location: WPI Student Center Room 128 "Taylor Room" It's the room at the BOTTOM of the stairs. Topic: A Scheme to Bootstrap Trust. Presenter: Dr. Keith Wright. Snacks and Refreshments will be provided and we'll head off for dinner afterwards to continue to conversation. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Demon haunted windows 10 laptop...
by Tim Keller 06 Jan '19

06 Jan '19

So my trusty old piece of crap finally, well crapped out. My company gave me a shiny new Lenovo 470 but it came with windows 10... no worries I'll just quick grab the 18.10 ubuntu iso and use one of the various tools to create a bootable USB... The *moment* I plugged it into my ethernet network, all hell broke loose. I didn't want to hook it up to my wifi because I assume it'll just send my wifi info back to a mothership somewhere. My Verizion AP / router promptly crashed, hard. I had to yank the power sing the ABC song for it to fully discharge and reboot. Windows... evil to the core... -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Jan. WLUG Meeting: Jan 10th, Topic: Keith's talk!
by Tim Keller 05 Jan '19

05 Jan '19

Hey Gang, We've got a meeting on Thursday, January 10th, 2019 @ 7pm. Topic: I'm not sure of the tile, but esteemed longtime member Keith Wright will be giving a talk! The reminders will definitely have the topic name in them, hint, hint... Location: WPI Campus Center, Taylor Room 128. As usual refreshments and snacks will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for dinner to keep the conversation going. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Dec. WLUG meeting reminder! Topic: DMARC, SPF and DKIM
by Tim Keller 05 Jan '19

05 Jan '19

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting tomorrow! Date & Time: December 13th 2018 @ 7PM Location: WPI Student Center Mid Century Room (rm 331) Presenter: Frank Sweetser Topic: DMARC, SPF and DKIM. This topic came up on the list as a possible reason why some people weren't seeing all the mail on the list and I thought it might be an interesting topic. The good old days of the internet are sadly dead. Now that the Nigerian princes have given up trying to distribute their money, we're instead left with more sophisticated attacks. DMARC, SPF and DKIM are a few of the techniques now being employed to help cut down on spoofed email. As usual refreshments and snacks will be provided and afterwards we'll head off from dinner and keep the conversation going. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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cool HW-info linux/bsd tool "inxi"
by Doug Mildram 05 Jan '19

05 Jan '19

doug> Ran into this out of the blue, and wanted to share the joy (if you like attempting to understand the gore of PC hardware.... or figure out what you just plugged in, or assembled,etc. Sample output below! I havent even studied the args/options yet. Sections I "asked for" (the options/args I used.. "inxi -Fxz" , gave me....) System,Machine,CPU,Graphics,Audio,Network,Drives,Partition,Sensors,Info. I like how it reports disk (3 below) info, with per-disk temperature! Except on an SSD on another machine, temp.=0C I like how it reports per-disk temperature! Except on an SSD, I got temp.=0C sections I asked for with : Drives: HDD Total Size: 250.1GB (5.1% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: Samsung_SSD_860 size: 250.1GB temp: 0C pardon the TMI/detail+long_lines below. -doug *Inix* is available in most mainstream Linux distribution repositories, and runs on BSDs as well. $ sudo apt-get install inxi [On *Debian/Ubuntu/Linux Mint*] $ sudo yum install inxi [On *CentOs/RHEL/Fedora*] $ sudo dnf install inxi [On *Fedora 22+*] $ inxi -Fxz > System: Host: P5Q Kernel: 3.10.0-862.14.4.el7.x86_64 x86_64 bits: 64 > compiler: gcc v: 4.8.5 Console: tty 1 > Distro: CentOS Linux release 7.5.1804 (Core) > Machine: Type: Desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: P5Q-PRO v: Rev 1.xx serial: > <filter> BIOS: American Megatrends > v: 2102 date: 02/23/2009 > CPU: Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core2 Duo E8400 bits: 64 type: > MCP arch: Penryn rev: A > L2 cache: 6144 KiB > flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 11997 > Speed: 2003 MHz min/max: 2003/3003 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: > 2003 2: 2003 > Graphics: Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RV610 [Radeon HD > 2400 PRO/XT] driver: radeon v: kernel > bus ID: 01:00.0 > Display: server: X.org 1.19.5 driver: ati,radeon unloaded: > fbdev,modesetting,vesa tty: 134x42 > Message: Advanced graphics data unavailable in console. Try -G > --display > Audio: Device-1: VIA VT1720/24 [Envy24PT/HT] PCI Multi-Channel Audio > driver: snd_ice1724 v: kernel > bus ID: 05:00.0 > Sound Server: ALSA v: k3.10.0-862.14.4.el7.x86_64 > Network: Device-1: Qualcomm Atheros AR8121/AR8113/AR8114 Gigabit or Fast > Ethernet driver: ATL1E v: N/A > port: bc00 bus ID: 02:00.0 > IF: enp2s0 state: down mac: <filter> > Device-2: Intel 82541PI Gigabit Ethernet driver: e1000 v: > 7.3.21-k8-NAPI port: ec00 bus ID: 07:01.0 > IF: enp7s1 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter> > IF-ID-1: virbr0 state: down mac: <filter> > IF-ID-2: virbr0-nic state: down mac: <filter> > Drives: Local Storage: total: 1.41 TiB used: 398.89 GiB (27.6%) > ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Hitachi model: HDS724040KLSA80 size: > 372.61 GiB temp: 39 C > ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Western Digital model: WD7500AACS-65D6B0 > size: 698.64 GiB temp: 35 C > ID-3: /dev/sdc vendor: Hitachi model: HDS724040KLSA80 size: > 372.61 GiB temp: 42 C > Partition: ID-1: / size: 64.04 GiB used: 9.41 GiB (14.7%) fs: ext4 dev: > /dev/sdb1 > Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 31.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: radeon temp: 43 > C > Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A > Info: Processes: 196 Uptime: 11h 09m Memory: 1.79 GiB used: 896.5 MiB > (48.8%) Init: systemd runlevel: 5 > Compilers: gcc: N/A Shell: bash v: 4.2.46 inxi: 3.0.26 >

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Apt-X support
by Richard Klein 30 Dec '18

30 Dec '18

I'm looking at bluetooth dongles for my desktop. Is Apt-X support provided by the hardware or the OS? -- Rich

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new/old toy soon? (yet another Gigabyte GA-NNN looming)
by Doug Mildram 13 Dec '18

13 Dec '18

Thanks for the support and keeping the list alive. Perhaps too alive (I can rant/ramble!) Are Gigabyte motherboards OK? I've only had one so far. Now dying perhaps. Looking ahead..... since I upgrade "combo style" (all ram and cpu attached/included) I'm gonna look at (days from now) a used motherboard+cpu+ram+beast video+beast fan, hope it fits under my hood, dude speaks well about his retired GIGABYTE GA-870A-UD3 SKT.AM3 AMD870+SB850 4XDDR3-1866, IEEE1394 USB3, SATA3, RAID, ATX plus cpu,ram, and even fan info on this BEAST of a fan, should i be scared? https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NH-U9B-SE2-CPU-Cooler/dp/B002VT1GZ6 doug> I find it cool that a machine/mb that old, is still way more than I need. I've only got one HD/disk for example. I'll try to buy her a tiny computer NEW someday if my new/old cheap-out fails. I want less power! Good brakes please! Ballpark of $100+ for the combo you CAN still find online if you dare and you get lucky that it really works for you. ...below, tangent about the seller i will meet this weekend. Sounds very smart/honest! I almost got him interested in our meeting. He said: (plus, he's a CS engr) Hello network engineer, me> Engineer too....I also a) use Linux only at home b) used Linux only on that machine, rock solid :) The cpu does not come with embedded gpu : I saved 10$ at the time, too bad now!

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desktop (wife=moved->linux Mint) MB/sata/grub fun
by Doug Mildram 12 Dec '18

12 Dec '18

Warning: there's a couple "fun" ( my definition for "new to me") errors/areas in this LONG email. Months ago i managed to move wife/maureen's desktop environment to Mint(ubuntu underneath). Usage: firefox,gmail (almost nothing else of note. This took some persuading, but desktops are such a fallback these days......another topic for another day) DESKTOP: 10?yr-old Gigabyte motherboard with sata2 ... 4 ports. I only use 1 sata port. I "gave" it a $90/bestbuy 256g SSD Samsung months ago for /dev/sda which ran well+fast of course, turns out the SSD is actually still fine internally. A FEW WEEKS AGO, the "hint" symptom (1 of 2 in this long story) for disk woes was.... (well, it started crashing occasionally, then) ON BOOT, it would sometimes STOP at this prompt initramfs> and with good eyes as the boot-attempt screen(s) would fly by and return to above prompt, I discovered I could fix it with ( actually i did not use the "-y" prompt, but it's the same fix either way) initramfs> fsck -y /dev/sda1 Which would fix a few things, nothing scary for an ex-unix-sysadmin, and initramfs> exit ######## would allow it to boot and be OK for days or so. I taped THAT magic (fsck...) onto a paper mini-sign on the PC for another rainy day. TODAY, the crash was followed by not booting (random results, kernel panics or bios/grub waiting). Worse (not that we care!) near the end of this story, the Patriots gave up cool kickoff return with a lead and 0:04 left. But timing-wise, I'm glad I had a few hours in the living room to debug all this. So I brought the SSD to my other living room desktop (not booting FROM it...) checked SSD with sudo smartcl -a /dev/sda #### AND ITS FINE. I moved the SSD "back" to wife's PC on another SATA port. It's fine! (motherboard deteriorating i guess....but might last another decade). I did run into.... ("created" by moving the disk i assume) .... a boot/warning error NEW TO ME: On initial boot a WARNING ERROR on the early/black screen (similar to where initramfs> shows up..just before that i think) "warning: environment block too small" was actually ignorable (after a few secs, boot marched on to kernel/logo). But I found "it's a thing" and the error appears solvable with first google hit suggesting linux user# sudo rm /boot/grub/grubenv # or "mv" it somewhere.old; 1024 byte file. ...............# sudo grub-editenv /boot/grub/grubenv create and reboot. Seems good now except (new i think; probably from the sata port move?) there's a ONE MINUTE wait on the initial boot with the Mint logo flashing. Final things-to-inspect: (no need to "fix" /etc/fstab which of course does find the disk parts ( just / and swap) by UUID and /var/log/syslog ( I have exported it all, i think the disk errors stopped. ) =========================WRAPUP Haven't solved this learn-all mission yet, but...hope to make it to WLUG THURS EVE and i just thought of a topic. Trick is knowing where to start such a story/tutorial; I'd try to skip over BIOS and sata/disk/etc basics, the fuzzy parts for me involve "initramfs" ... grub ..... and maybe that's it for me. Desired talk/take-home: linux BOOT steps you don't want to know. -doug

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Topic of Thursday meeting
by Keith Wright 10 Dec '18

10 Dec '18

> From: "Anderson, Charles R" <cra(a)wpi.edu> > Subject: [WLUG] WLUG meeting this week > > We have a WLUG meeting scheduled for this Thursday at 7pm in the WPI > Campus Center, Mid-Century Room (the location we use most often). > > Subject: [WLUG] Re: December Meeting Reminder! > From: Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > Maybe we could talk about DMARC, DKIM, and SPF! ****pssst! Frank!*** Why does one message say From: cra(a)wpi.edu, and the other From: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org? (Nervermind, CRA explained that.) I don't want to try to prevent anyone from talking about anything, but I don't have much to say about that. I would have wrote you a letter, but I couldn't spell PHLTT!! If Frank does not have a presentation, I could commit by Thursday to make some slides and bring a laptop. I tested slide-showing a few months ago with the WPI cable in the Mid-century Room and it worked. Here's the catch: My usual ride is unavailable that day. I don't drive and I have not been walking well. I used to walk to WLUG; I fell on the hill. No problem; I got up and went on; it happens. I don't want to be carrying heavy and fragile equipment. I tried to go for a walk this morning, but fell and skinned my knee at the end of my own driveway. If someone could commit to pick me up at my house about 1/2 hour before the meeting I would make sure I was ready enough to fake it. I live about a mile from WPI. Send me mail. I will show you some of what I have been doing, and how I do it. The title of my talk: Love Programs work better than Love Poems Computatational Metaphysics Why and how to write soutce code that can be read Or something else if I thnk of it. Someone said recently that one of the best talks ever was Doug Waud showing TeX printing stuff nobody understood. I thought: "I could do that". I am not a pharmacist, so I will dazzle you with Scheme programs and Algebraic Geometry run through LaTeX. All in living black and white (or glowing green). -- Keith

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WLUG mailing list
by Keith Wright 10 Dec '18

10 Dec '18

> From: "Anderson, Charles R" <cra(a)wpi.edu> > To: "wlug(a)lists.wlug.org" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Subject: [WLUG] WLUG meeting this week > > I haven't seen any messages to the list since November 8, > so I'm sending this message to see if the mailing list still works. > We have a WLUG meeting scheduled for this Thursday at 7pm in the WPI > Campus Center, Mid-Century Room (the location we use most often). There might be something wrong, I saw: > From: "thinkbrown(a)gmail.com" <thinkbrown(a)gmail.com> > Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 18:27:19 -0500 > To: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > Subject: [WLUG] Frantic last minute room change > Sorry for the last minute notice > Logan (pretending to be Tim) I missed that meeting, and I think the one before that, due to scheduling conflicts. You might find these two in the tl/dr filrer: > From: Dennis Payne <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> > Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 07:56:41 -0500 > Subject: [WLUG] OpenGameArt Movie Video Game > I spent the month working in my free time on a new computer game. > > From: Doug Mildram <dmildram(a)gmail.com> > Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2018 23:07:05 -0500 > To: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > Subject: [WLUG] desktop (wife=moved->linux Mint) MB/sata/grub fun > > Warning: there's a couple "fun" ( my definition for "new to me") > errors/areas in this LONG email. If you want 140 character dim witticisms, you know where to look. This not that. The message that demands attention is this: > From: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [WLUG] December Meeting Reminder! > > We've got a meeting coming up next week! > > Date: Dec 13, 2018 @ 7PM. > > Location: WPI Campus Center (Mid Century Room 331) > > Topic: To Be Decided! If there's something you'd > > like to talk about drop me a line! Otherwise > C.R.A continues: > From: "Anderson, Charles R" <cra(a)wpi.edu> > Subject: [WLUG] WLUG meeting this week > > We have a WLUG meeting scheduled for this Thursday at 7pm in the WPI > Campus Center, Mid-Century Room (the location we use most often). Yes. If you did not see Tim's announcement of the same, then something is wrong. Which leads me to my proposal, which I will put in another message so that it is not lost at the bottom. -- Keith PS: While I was writing this, two new messages came to me from wlug, one appears to be a copy of Doug Mildram's message dated 2018-12-09 the other a reply to that.

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mailing list issues
by Anderson, Charles R 10 Dec '18

10 Dec '18

Some people (including myself) have not been receiving emails sent to the list. I'm guessing that DMARC may be blocking messages from senders' domains that have DMARC set up, so I made a MailMan change to enable DMARC Mitigations. This works by replacing your "From: you(a)wherever.com" with "From: Your Full Name via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>". Your original From: appears in the Reply-To: header. I'm also sending this message to test delivery to a few domains like yahoo.com and gmail.com.

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December Meeting Reminder!
by Tim Keller 10 Dec '18

10 Dec '18

Hey Gang, We've got a meeting coming up next week! Date: Dec 13, 2018 @ 7PM. Location: WPI Campus Center (Mid Century Room 331) Topic: To Be Decided! If there's something you'd like to talk about drop me a line! Otherwise As usual, refreshments and snacks will be provided and we'll head off for dinner afterwards. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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desktop (linux Mint/ubuntu) Motherboard/sata/grub fun
by Doug Mildram 10 Dec '18

10 Dec '18

Warning: there's a couple "fun" ( aka "new to me") things in this LONG email. SUMMARY 2-lines-below: 1) on reboot, an initramfs prompt, errors only seen briefly as boot screen overwrites it. Needed fsck. 2) later when things got worse, my solution followed by a different error message re: "environment block too small". the LONG story: Months ago i managed to move wife/maureen's desktop environment to Mint(ubuntu underneath). Usage: firefox,gmail (almost nothing else of note. This took some persuading, but desktops are such a fallback these days......another topic for another day) DESKTOP: 10?yr-old Gigabyte motherboard with sata2/sataII ... 4 ports. I only use 1 sata port. I "gave" it a $90/bestbuy 256g SSD Samsung months ago for /dev/sda which ran well+fast of course, turns out the SSD is actually still fine internally. A FEW WEEKS AGO, the "hint" symptom (1 of 2 in this long story) for disk woes was.... ( it started crashing occasionally, then) ON BOOT, it would sometimes STOP at this prompt initramfs> and with good eyes as the boot-attempt screen(s) would fly by and return to above prompt, I discovered I could fix it with ( actually i did not use the "-y" prompt, but it's the same fix either way) initramfs> fsck -y /dev/sda1 Which worked every time (a few times), nothing scary for an ex-unix-sysadmin, followed by initramfs> exit ######## would allow it to boot and be OK for days or so. I taped THAT magic (fsck...) onto a paper mini-sign on the PC for another rainy day. TODAY, the crash was followed by not booting (random results, kernel panics or bios/grub waiting). So I brought the SSD to my other living room desktop (not booting FROM it...) checked SSD with sudo smartcl -a /dev/sda #### AND ITS FINE. I moved the SSD "back" to wife's PC on another SATA port. It's fine! (motherboard deteriorating i guess....but might last another decade). I did run into.... ("created" by moving the disk i assume) .... a boot/warning error NEW TO ME: On initial boot a WARNING ERROR on the early/black screen (similar to where initramfs> shows up..just before that i think) "warning: environment block too small" was actually ignorable (after a few secs, boot marched on to kernel/logo). But I found "it's a thing" and the error appears solvable with first google hit suggesting linux user# sudo rm /boot/grub/grubenv # or "mv" it somewhere.old; 1024 byte file. ...............# sudo grub-editenv /boot/grub/grubenv create and reboot. Seems good now except (new i think; probably from the sata port move?) there's a ONE MINUTE wait on the initial boot with the Mint logo flashing. Final things-to-inspect: (no need to "fix" /etc/fstab which of course does find the disk parts ( just / and swap) by UUID and /var/log/syslog ( I have exportedthe old history to study, i think the disk errors stopped. ) =========================WRAPUP Haven't solved this learn-all mission yet, but...hope to make it to WLUG THURS EVE and i just thought of a (this) topic. Trick is knowing where to start such a story/tutorial; I'd try to skip over BIOS and sata/disk/etc basics, the fuzzy parts for me involve "initramfs" ... grub ..... and maybe that's it for me. Desired talk/take-home: linux BOOT steps you don't want to know. -doug

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WLUG meeting this week
by Anderson, Charles R 10 Dec '18

10 Dec '18

I haven't seen any messages to the list since November 8, so I'm sending this message to see if the mailing list still works. We have a WLUG meeting scheduled for this Thursday at 7pm in the WPI Campus Center, Mid-Century Room (the location we use most often).

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OpenGameArt Movie Video Game
by Dennis Payne 04 Dec '18

04 Dec '18

Normally I do National Novel Writing Month in November. This year I decided to try the Indie Game Making Contest 2018. I spent the month working in my free time on a new computer game. I had thought of this game a while ago (including doing a novelization of it for NaNoWriMo last year). The idea was to use lots of art from OpenGameArt.org. Since the styles of the artwork can be drastically different, that was integrated into the story. The villain is in the Liberated Pixel Cup style. (It was a contest opengameart.org did to create lot of artwork which could be used together.) He would be trying to wipe out all the other art styles. (It's a crazy mashup like the Lego Movie.) The game didn't get to the level of completion I had hoped. I posted a Postmortem on the project: http://identicalsoftware.com/games/opengameartmovie You download the Windows version of the game from: https://dulsi.itch.io/opengameart-movie-video-game Unfortunately there isn't a log of content in the game as much of the work was building the game engine. (Why isn't there a Linux download? I was rushing to post it before the contest end and didn't get around to posting a Linux build. We aren't allowed to put up new downloads while the judging is being done.) -- Dennis Payne <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com>

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Frantic last minute room change
by thinkbrown＠gmail.com 08 Nov '18

08 Nov '18

Hey WLUG! Frantic last minute change of room. Due to the relative inaccessibility of Stratton after 5PM, we moved to Campus Center room 128 (the Taylor Room). This is on the first floor (down the stairs through the main entrance). Sorry for the last minute notice Logan (pretending to be Tim)

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Reminder! WLUG Meeting NEXT week! Nov. 8th, 2018! NOTE: LOCATION CHANGE!
by Tim Keller 02 Nov '18

02 Nov '18

Hey Gang! We've got a meeting next week! Date and Time: Nov. 8th, 2018 @ 7pm Location: *Stratton Hall Room 309* Topic: GNURadio / Software Defined Radio / GQRX Presenter: Ian Gelman Here's what Ian had to say about his presentation... I'd like to throw my hat in the ring and give an overview+demo of GNURadio, a FOSS package for graphically developing DSP applications and interfacing with Software-Defined Radios (SDR). I spent last summer at MITRE using this software heavily, and I'm also using it for my MQP work. For the demo, I'd like to bring down some hardware from my lab ( https://www.ettus.com/product/details/UN210-KIT) as well as the $20 RTL-SDR dongle ( http://www.nooelec.com/store/sdr/sdr-receivers/nesdr-mini-rtl2832-r820t.html) to show reception of broadcast FM, ADS-B telemetry from airplanes, as well as some real time views of Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and streaming drone footage from a DJI Phantom 3 Pro. Here's the outline: What's SDR? Why should we care? Why do I care? Who uses GNURadio? GNURadio fundamentals Introducing the workflow/flowgraph interface Cloning/Building/Installing (this won't be specific, just mentioning the GitHub repo and where the quickstart guide is) How to contribute (also GR-hackfest!) GNURadio as a software development framework Ex: GQRX (http://gqrx.dk) For the demo, I'll show off some stuff I've made with GNURadio, as well as GQRX to interface with the RTL-SDR. I'm pretty confident that I can cram it inside of 2 hours, because I'll be basically recycling the slides I made for my MITRE presentation, minus the branding and project-specific content. As usual, drinks and snacks will be provided and we'll head out to dinner afterwards. NOTE: I will be unable to attend this meeting. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Too bad about redhat...
by Tim Keller 01 Nov '18

01 Nov '18

Sad trombone for redhat or do you think IBM won't screw it up? -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Eagle to KiCad conversion?
by John Stoffel 19 Oct '18

19 Oct '18

Guys, This is a total shot in the dark, but I'm wondering if anyone here has taken an Eagle project design, stripped out pretty much everything but the holes and outline of a board, and them imported it all into KiCad 5? I'm trying to build a cape for an AdaFruit Gemma M0 board (which I'll be happy to talk about at some point down the line at a meeting) where it auto-matically turns my sound bar on/off and the TV is turned on/off. Not more having to hunt for the sound bar remote! I've been vaguely beating my head against the wall here, esp since it's my first ever board design. Lots to learn! John

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Pocket Arcade and Tiny Arcade
by Dennis Payne 17 Oct '18

17 Oct '18

I received a Tiny Arcade from Tiny Circuits. It is an interesting toy. I've had a lot of fun playing with it. They recently released the Pocket Arcade. I purchased two. This is even better than the Tiny Arcade. I've been working on a new game for the system. It is a pokemon like game where you paint your monsters. It's still early in development. I've been writing about the development. http://identicalsoftware.com/games/colormonster http://identicalsoftware.com/games/colormonster2 -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com Roon's Raccoon Sprintladder: https://ideas.lego.com/projects/126010

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Reminder! WLUG Meeting tonight! Rm RC61 Topic: Enterprise Wi-fi!
by Tim Keller 11 Oct '18

11 Oct '18

Hey Gang, We've got a meeting tonight in WPI Recreation Center Room 61 (RC61) This is the building in the Quad that's got all the exercise equipment. Date: Oct 11th, 2018 Time: 7pm Topic: Logan is going to do a quick talk on Enterprise WiFI. I can also talk quickly about the relatively incompleteness of 64bit linux on raspberry pi! Refreshments and snacks will be provided and we'll head off for dinner later. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Next Meeing Oct 11th, 2018! NOTE LOCATION: RC61! Topic: TBD
by Tim Keller 08 Oct '18

08 Oct '18

Hey Gang, We've got a meeting! Date: Oct 11th, 2018 Time: 7pm Location: WPI Recreation Center Room 61 (RC61) Topic: TBD If anybody has a topic burning a hole in their pocket let me know. I've already got next months lined up! One option was to possibly demo a raspberry pi running a true 64bit version of debian. As usual, snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for dinner to continue the conversation. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Charter Telephone reviews, boylston?
by John Stoffel 29 Sep '18

29 Sep '18

Hi, Anyone on here using Charter Telephone VOIP service? I've currently got Verizon, but the wife hates it because our phone lines get flaky all the time, esp when it rains. So I'm thinking to save money and combine all my stuff onto Charter. I've already got High Speed internet and regular old cable. Not wild about Digital Cable since I'm happy with Tivo and I don't want yet another set top box to have to deal with... So, any horror stories about Charter Phone VOIP quality and service? Thanks, John

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Reminder! Meeting Tomorrow! Sept. 13th, 2018 @7pm.
by Tim Keller 12 Sep '18

12 Sep '18

Hey Everybody, This is a reminder we've got a meeting on Thursday Sept. 13th, 2018. Time: 7pm Location: WPI Campus Center Mid Century Rm (rm 331) "The usual spot" Topic: git LFS (Large File Support) I thought I would give a quick talk using git as a backup solution for larger files. After that I figured the conversation would branch out. I'd also like to poll the group and see what people would be interested in for topics. As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll head off to dinner afterwards to continue the conversation. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Next Meeting Sept. 13th at 7pm Location: WPI Campus Center Mid Century Room (rm 331)
by Tim Keller 07 Sep '18

07 Sep '18

Hey Everybody! Our next meeting is going to be on September 13th at 7pm. Location: Campus Center Rm 331 (Mid Century Room) Topic: Right now I don't have a main topic, but if people would like I can do a quick talk on my current backup system that's using git / gitlab and offsite repo pushes. As usual, snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll head off for dinner afterwards. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Software packaging/deployment
by Richard Klein 30 Aug '18

30 Aug '18

I've brought up Snaps before (https://snapcraft.io/) If those interest you, you may want to check out Flatpak (https://www.flatpak.org/) also. I haven't tried it out, yet, but it's on my to do list. -- Rich

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Re: Monitor Madness
by Aljerin Butler,Jr. 17 Aug '18

17 Aug '18

Try doing some research here. | | | | Howtos, tips, tutorials; IT ebooks Super User | | | On Wednesday, August 8, 2018, 9:53:12 PM EDT, Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob <njkrichevsky(a)wpi.edu> wrote: Hey all - By an interesting turn of events, my fellow interns and I were given the opportunity to build a computer to theoretically drive 192 monitors. Yes, really. We're running into a bit of a brick wall, so I figured I'd reach out and see if anyone had any crazy ideas that just might work. This project started because of a certain obsession of our CEO to drive as many monitors off one PC as possible. We put together a build using8x Radeon 7870s with 6x Mini DisplayPort outputs (the price spiked after we bought these for some reason) with2x Intel Xeon E5-2630 V4 , all tied together in a SuperMicro 4028GR-TR2. Limiting the cards to PCIE 8x, we should be able to drive all 8 with 16 PCIE lanes to spare. Because the Mini DisplayPorts follow the DisplayPort 2.1 spec, we were hoping to use MST with48 of these MST hubs from Monoprice (which we actually got on sale!). This would allow us to drive four displays @ 1080p off one Mini DisplayPort, allowing us to drive 24 monitors off one card, across 8 cards, totaling 192 monitors. With this all in mind, and the knowledge that we may have to write some funky Xorg configs, we pulled the trigger on all of it, and would attempt to drive as many monitors as we had on hand in the office. We decided to load Fedora on this machine, which should be able to drive MST with the included amdgpu driver, thanks to patches that were added to kernel 4.15, and some DC display code settings that were enabled in kernel 4.17. With all of this, we were able to successfully drive ... two displays off each MST hub, instead of the expected four. Not as fruitful as we may have hoped, but hey, 96 monitors would still be awesome. Out of sheer curiosity, we threw Windows on another SSD, and discovered that Windows could drive four displays off each MST hub, but we were getting hard limited to six monitors per card, no matter what we tried. We hypothesized that this might be due to theproprietary AMD driver setting an arbitrary limit, and thought we might be able to still pull off the 12 monitors per card in Linux. A couple of small scripts later, we were up and running with six monitors on one card. Upon adding the seventh and re-running our script, we were greeted with the following. [monitormadness@monitor-madness ~]$ python3 set-monitors.py Executing `xrandr -d :0 --output DisplayPort-3-1-1 --mode 1920x1080 --output DisplayPort-0-1-1 --mode 1920x1080 --output DisplayPort-1-1-1 --mode 1920x1080 --output DisplayPort-0-1-2 --mode 1920x1080 --output DisplayPort-3-1-1 --mode 1920x1080 --output DisplayPort-1-1-2 --mode 1920x1080 --output DisplayPort-4-1-1 --mode 1920x1080` xrandr: cannot find crtc for output DisplayPort-4-1-1 We ran xrandr --listproviders to see what we got. With two GPUs connected, we got the following. [monitormadness@monitor-madness ~]$ xrandr --listproviders -d :0Providers: number : 2Provider 0: id: 0x8d cap: 0xf, Source Output, Sink Output, Source Offload, Sink Offload crtcs: 6 outputs: 30 associated providers: 1 name:PITCAIRN @ pci:0000:04:00.0Provider 1: id: 0x4b cap: 0xf, Source Output, Sink Output, Source Offload, Sink Offload crtcs: 6 outputs: 6 associated providers: 1 name:PITCAIRN @ pci:0000:06:00.0 Looks like we can only get 6 CRTCs per card. This is where I reach out to you all. Does anyone know of some Xorg or kernel flag trickery we can use to get more outputs for our buck with the limited number of CRTCs? I don't quite know enough about how video cards work to make an informed decision about what's going on, but my hypothesis is that the card's firmware is what transmits how many outputs we can use, so we may be SOL in the department of getting more CRTCs, but perhaps there may be some way to trick Xorg into rendering the content of one CRTC across multiple monitors? Not sure. Would love to hear what you all think. Thanks for taking the time to read this! :) _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

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Reconnecting with my media drive
by Richard Klein 09 Aug '18

09 Aug '18

When I was running Debian, I had most of my media segregated on a Seagate SSHD. That's still in the system now that I'm running Mint. I'm trying to get Plex up and running again. The file manager shows the media drive mounted, but shows nothing on it. I don't see it listed in fstab. I don't remember how it was formatted, but I think it's an ext4 drive. What should my next step be? -- Rich

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Monitor Madness
by Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob 09 Aug '18

09 Aug '18

Hey all - By an interesting turn of events, my fellow interns and I were given the opportunity to build a computer to theoretically drive 192 monitors. Yes, really. We're running into a bit of a brick wall, so I figured I'd reach out and see if anyone had any crazy ideas that just might work. This project started because of a certain obsession of our CEO to drive as many monitors off one PC as possible. We put together a build using 8x Radeon 7870s with 6x Mini DisplayPort outputs<https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0AJ3BU1115&cm_re=Visio…> (the price spiked after we bought these for some reason) with 2x Intel Xeon E5-2630 V4 <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117630> , all tied together in a SuperMicro 4028GR-TR2<https://www.supermicro.com/products/system/4u/4028/SYS-4028GR-TR2.cfm>. Limiting the cards to PCIE 8x, we should be able to drive all 8 with 16 PCIE lanes to spare. Because the Mini DisplayPorts follow the DisplayPort 2.1 spec, we were hoping to use MST with 48 of these MST hubs from Monoprice<https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=104&cp_id=10428&cs_id=1042802&p_id=2…> (which we actually got on sale!). This would allow us to drive four displays @ 1080p off one Mini DisplayPort, allowing us to drive 24 monitors off one card, across 8 cards, totaling 192 monitors. With this all in mind, and the knowledge that we may have to write some funky Xorg configs, we pulled the trigger on all of it, and would attempt to drive as many monitors as we had on hand in the office. We decided to load Fedora on this machine, which should be able to drive MST with the included amdgpu driver, thanks to patches that were added to kernel 4.15, and some DC display code settings that were enabled in kernel 4.17. With all of this, we were able to successfully drive ... two displays off each MST hub, instead of the expected four. Not as fruitful as we may have hoped, but hey, 96 monitors would still be awesome. Out of sheer curiosity, we threw Windows on another SSD, and discovered that Windows could drive four displays off each MST hub, but we were getting hard limited to six monitors per card, no matter what we tried. We hypothesized that this might be due to the proprietary AMD driver setting an arbitrary limit, and thought we might be able to still pull off the 12 monitors per card in Linux. A couple of small scripts later, we were up and running with six monitors on one card. Upon adding the seventh and re-running our script, we were greeted with the following. [monitormadness@monitor-madness ~]$ python3 set-monitors.py Executing `xrandr -d :0 --output DisplayPort-3-1-1 --mode 1920x1080 --output DisplayPort-0-1-1 --mode 1920x1080 --output DisplayPort-1-1-1 --mode 1920x1080 --output DisplayPort-0-1-2 --mode 1920x1080 --output DisplayPort-3-1-1 --mode 1920x1080 --output DisplayPort-1-1-2 --mode 1920x1080 --output DisplayPort-4-1-1 --mode 1920x1080` xrandr: cannot find crtc for output DisplayPort-4-1-1 We ran xrandr --listproviders to see what we got. With two GPUs connected, we got the following. [monitormadness@monitor-madness ~]$ xrandr --listproviders -d :0 Providers: number : 2 Provider 0: id: 0x8d cap: 0xf, Source Output, Sink Output, Source Offload, Sink Offload crtcs: 6 outputs: 30 associated providers: 1 name:PITCAIRN @ pci:0000:04:00.0 Provider 1: id: 0x4b cap: 0xf, Source Output, Sink Output, Source Offload, Sink Offload crtcs: 6 outputs: 6 associated providers: 1 name:PITCAIRN @ pci:0000:06:00.0 Looks like we can only get 6 CRTCs per card. This is where I reach out to you all. Does anyone know of some Xorg or kernel flag trickery we can use to get more outputs for our buck with the limited number of CRTCs? I don't quite know enough about how video cards work to make an informed decision about what's going on, but my hypothesis is that the card's firmware is what transmits how many outputs we can use, so we may be SOL in the department of getting more CRTCs, but perhaps there may be some way to trick Xorg into rendering the content of one CRTC across multiple monitors? Not sure. Would love to hear what you all think. Thanks for taking the time to read this! :)

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Reminder: WLUG Meeting August 9th, 2018! Topic: Bro
by Tim Keller 06 Aug '18

06 Aug '18

Hey Gang, We've got a meeting on Thursday! Time @ Location: 7pm @ WPI Mid Century Room (Rm 331) aka, the usual spot Topic: Bro Network Security Monitor Presenter: Eric Martin Veteran WLUG member Eric Martin will be giving a talk about "Bro" What's Bro? Bro is a FOSS framework and event engine for analyzing network traffic. First developed at LBNL in 1995 it is used on public, private and personal networks provide robust indepth network usage and threat analysis. Check out http://www.bro.org for more details. Eric's talk will be focused around using Bro to understand the flow of traffic around devices on our home network. As we add an ever increasing set of devices that have the words "IoT" and/or Smart in their names, it matters that we know what these devices are doing and who they're talking to. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Desktop distro
by Richard Klein 06 Aug '18

06 Aug '18

I'm having trouble deciding which distro to install on my new SSD. It's the only desktop computer in the house, so it's used for web, email, etc, plus it's a Plex server. DistroWatch.com shows Manjaro being really popular right now, but I've never heard of it. It's based on Arch, which I've heard of, but never tried. I see that Arch uses Pacman for a package manager. I'm used to APT; I'm not sure if I'd like Pacman. So anyway, I thought I'd ask for suggestions. -- Rich

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Reminder! Meeting August 9th 2018 at 7pm
by Tim Keller 05 Aug '18

05 Aug '18

Hey Gang! We've got a WLUG meeting August 9th! Location: Campus Center Mid Century Room (rm 331) at 7pm. Topic: I'm working on that!!! If there's something cool you've been working on, or would like to show off, let me know! As usual refreshments and snacks will be provided. Afterwards we'll head off for dinner and keep up the conversation! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Microsoft PowerShell
by Richard Klein 01 Aug '18

01 Aug '18

Microsoft PowerShell is now available as a Snap: https://betanews.com/2018/07/20/microsoft-powershell-core-linux-snap/ -- Rich

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Full Home folder
by Richard Klein 30 Jul '18

30 Jul '18

I found today that my Home folder is full. The culprit seems to have been a roughly 1/2 terabyte .xsession-errors file. I deleted it, but 'emptying the trash' didn't seem to be clearing any space. I found that everything I'd thought I'd deleted recently seemed to still be sitting in $uname/.local/share/Trash. I selected everything in that folder and typed shift+delete. Now nothing shows in the Trash folder, but my Home folder is still full. I rebooted, and that's still the case. What now? [code] Debian-Precision:~$ uname -a Linux Debian-Precision 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 (2018-05-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux [/code] -- Rich

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Re: Full Home folder
by Gelman, Ian S 29 Jul '18

29 Jul '18

oops - forgot to add the mailer On Jul 29, 2018, at 4:41 PM, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org<mailto:rich@richardklein.org>> wrote: Debian-Precision:~$ sudo du -h / --max-depth=1 | sort -h [sudo] password for $uname: du: cannot read directory '/proc/1411/task/1411/net': Invalid argument du: cannot read directory '/proc/1411/net': Invalid argument du: cannot access '/proc/3892/task/3892/fd/4': No such file or directory du: cannot access '/proc/3892/task/3892/fdinfo/4': No such file or directory du: cannot access '/proc/3892/fd/3': No such file or directory du: cannot access '/proc/3892/fdinfo/3': No such file or directory 0 /proc 0 /sys 4.0K /lib64 4.0K /mnt 4.0K /srv 16K /lost+found 20K /dev 72K /tmp 9.2M /run 9.3M /bin 9.5M /etc 11M /sbin 19M /root 34M /boot 181M /opt 233M /lib 1.1G /home 1.1G /var 1.7G /snap 3.1G /usr 730G /media 737G / On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 4:37 PM Gelman, Ian S <isgelman(a)wpi.edu<mailto:isgelman@wpi.edu>> wrote: What does the output of du (disk-usage) give? Try this: sudo du -h / --max-depth=1 | sort -h On Jul 29, 2018, at 4:26 PM, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org<mailto:rich@richardklein.org>> wrote: I found today that my Home folder is full. The culprit seems to have been a roughly 1/2 terabyte .xsession-errors file. I deleted it, but 'emptying the trash' didn't seem to be clearing any space. I found that everything I'd thought I'd deleted recently seemed to still be sitting in $uname/.local/share/Trash. I selected everything in that folder and typed shift+delete. Now nothing shows in the Trash folder, but my Home folder is still full. I rebooted, and that's still the case. What now? [code] Debian-Precision:~$ uname -a Linux Debian-Precision 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 (2018-05-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux [/code] -- Rich _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org>

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IMPORTANT: WLUG Mailing List Move Complete
by Chuck Anderson 21 Jul '18

21 Jul '18

By now everyone should have received a welcome message from the new list server, wlug(a)lists.wlug.org, along with instructions for setting your password. I'm still working on getting the archives moved over. Please use only the new list address wlug(a)lists.wlug.org to post--if you use an old address you'll get a reminder to use the new one, at least until a few weeks from now when the old server will have to go offline. I'd also like to thank our generous host http://mailman3.com for providing our new mailing list and Hyperkitty web forum free of charge. Thanks, Chuck On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 04:57:01PM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > After 18+ years of the WLUG mailing list being graciously hosted on > the WPI campus network at no cost to WLUG, we must move to an external > mailing list host as WPI prepares to shut down its Linux email > infrastructure after moving to Microsoft Office 365 in the cloud. > Phase 1 begins Monday, July 23, 2018, but the shutdown for third-party > domains like wlug.org is planned for mid- to late-August. > > Luckily, we have a new sponsor who has generously offered to host our > mailing list at no cost on Mailman 3 with Hyperkitty! We are > currently setting up the new mailing list and working out the details, > but I wanted to send out a "heads up" message to everyone before > anything changes. > > The plan is to set up the new host in parallel with the existing host, > but this necessitates a change in the mailing list address. I also > plan to copy the existing subscriber list (and archives if possible) > over to the new list, but if that isn't possible I'll let everyone > know. > > More details will be coming soon. I'll also update the WLUG website > http://www.wlug.org/ with the new mailing list details when we are > ready, so watch that space in case we lose the ability to send to the > old list! Worst case, we have the subscriber list backed up and could > send an email to everyone individually if it becomes necessary. > > Thanks, > Chuck

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Re: Welcome to the "WLUG" mailing list
by Richard Klein 20 Jul '18

20 Jul '18

Success! On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:07 AM <wlug-request(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Welcome to the "WLUG" mailing list! >

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Re: [Wlug] IMPORTANT: Upcoming WLUG Mailing List Move
by Richard Klein 20 Jul '18

20 Jul '18

Thanks Chuck! On Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 4:59 PM Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > After 18+ years of the WLUG mailing list being graciously hosted on > the WPI campus network at no cost to WLUG, we must move to an external > mailing list host as WPI prepares to shut down its Linux email > infrastructure after moving to Microsoft Office 365 in the cloud. > Phase 1 begins Monday, July 23, 2018, but the shutdown for third-party > domains like wlug.org is planned for mid- to late-August. > > Luckily, we have a new sponsor who has generously offered to host our > mailing list at no cost on Mailman 3 with Hyperkitty! We are > currently setting up the new mailing list and working out the details, > but I wanted to send out a "heads up" message to everyone before > anything changes. > > The plan is to set up the new host in parallel with the existing host, > but this necessitates a change in the mailing list address. I also > plan to copy the existing subscriber list (and archives if possible) > over to the new list, but if that isn't possible I'll let everyone > know. > > More details will be coming soon. I'll also update the WLUG website > http://www.wlug.org/ with the new mailing list details when we are > ready, so watch that space in case we lose the ability to send to the > old list! Worst case, we have the subscriber list backed up and could > send an email to everyone individually if it becomes necessary. > > Thanks, > Chuck > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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IMPORTANT: Upcoming WLUG Mailing List Move
by Chuck Anderson 19 Jul '18

19 Jul '18

After 18+ years of the WLUG mailing list being graciously hosted on the WPI campus network at no cost to WLUG, we must move to an external mailing list host as WPI prepares to shut down its Linux email infrastructure after moving to Microsoft Office 365 in the cloud. Phase 1 begins Monday, July 23, 2018, but the shutdown for third-party domains like wlug.org is planned for mid- to late-August. Luckily, we have a new sponsor who has generously offered to host our mailing list at no cost on Mailman 3 with Hyperkitty! We are currently setting up the new mailing list and working out the details, but I wanted to send out a "heads up" message to everyone before anything changes. The plan is to set up the new host in parallel with the existing host, but this necessitates a change in the mailing list address. I also plan to copy the existing subscriber list (and archives if possible) over to the new list, but if that isn't possible I'll let everyone know. More details will be coming soon. I'll also update the WLUG website http://www.wlug.org/ with the new mailing list details when we are ready, so watch that space in case we lose the ability to send to the old list! Worst case, we have the subscriber list backed up and could send an email to everyone individually if it becomes necessary. Thanks, Chuck

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second threat
by Chuck Anderson 19 Jul '18

19 Jul '18

second thread (from Hyperkitty)

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first post
by Chuck Anderson 19 Jul '18

19 Jul '18

First post!

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TinyArcade and Arduboy
by Dennis Payne 18 Jul '18

18 Jul '18

I've been playing around with the Tiny Arcade by Tiny Circuits. It's been a lot of fun programming. The initial development of Color Monster is documented here: http://identicalsoftware.com/games/colormonster The new Pocket Arcade has me really interested but it isn't available yet. I stumbled across the Arduboy. (Stumbled again? I'm pretty sure I saw the kickstarter and decided against it.) Does anyone have one? What do they think of it? I think it isn't quite what I want for a system. Seems like it can be annoying to upload a new game onto the system. While I had fun with the TinyScreen Video Game Kit, I like the microsd card of the Tiny Arcade so you can have multiple games available.

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Re: [Wlug] Podcasts
by Tim Keller 16 Jul '18

16 Jul '18

The podcast I spoke about was "Opening Arguments" https://openargs.com/ Tim. On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 11:02 AM, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > I mentioned a couple podcasts last night. > > First was the Amp Hour podcast, specifically an episode where they > interviewed someone who reverse engineers ICs for the automotive industry: > https://theamphour.com/397-8-an-interview-with-chris-gerlinsky/ > > The second was Stay Tuned With Preet. Preet Bharara doesn't avoid > politics, but that's not what the podcast is about. He interviews other > lawyers so you can hear what a courtroom is like from the perspective of a > prosecutor or a defense attorney or a defendant, and he asks them about > their more memorable cases. > https://www.wnycstudios.org/shows/preetbharara > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Podcasts
by Richard Klein 13 Jul '18

13 Jul '18

I mentioned a couple podcasts last night. First was the Amp Hour podcast, specifically an episode where they interviewed someone who reverse engineers ICs for the automotive industry: https://theamphour.com/397-8-an-interview-with-chris-gerlinsky/ The second was Stay Tuned With Preet. Preet Bharara doesn't avoid politics, but that's not what the podcast is about. He interviews other lawyers so you can hear what a courtroom is like from the perspective of a prosecutor or a defense attorney or a defendant, and he asks them about their more memorable cases. https://www.wnycstudios.org/shows/preetbharara

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UPS power backup unit needs home
by E Johnson 13 Jul '18

13 Jul '18

I have a UPS power backup unit here that I can't use. This is a Cyber Power model 1000PFCLCD. This should supply around 15 minutes of power to your computer & peripherals in the event of a power outage. Enough time to shutdown your delicate operations properly, save the doc you were just working on, or put your game on pause... Purchased several years ago (for around $109), I never used it in the old place because NONE of the circuits were grounded --so it wouldn't ever do anything. Now in the new place, nothing is grounded here either! Probably it works but I was never able to test it, since it requires a grounded circuit even to charge itself. It has not been abused except by a little dust. This is about the size of eight bricks all stacked together into a box shape... Probably heavier than eight bricks. Unscented; smoke- & cat-free. Will go with your other shiny black computer decor. Someone needs this! I want you to want this! Offering it here first, FREE to good home. I am still in Worcester, now on the quieter end of Vernon St. Pickup time flexible, and we have an off-street spot where you can temporarily park. Who wants this? Let me know. Liz J

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Reminder! Meeting July 12th 2017 Topic: Open Forum / BBQ / guix
by Tim Keller 11 Jul '18

11 Jul '18

Hey Gang, Our next meeting is July 12th, 2018. Currently there isn't a topic, so I think I'm going to call this an open forum meeting. There was some talk about guix, so we'll definitely be talking about that. We'll also talk about when we want the BBQ. Personally, my vote is for Sept. Less bugs, cooler weather, etc. Obviously if someone with a pool wants to pitch for August I can be persuaded! Location: WPI Campus Center Rm 301 (Hagglund room) When you come up the stairs go right instead of left. Refreshments and snacks will be provided. Afterwards we'll head off for dinner and keep up the conversation. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] BBQ Question
by Tim Keller 11 Jul '18

11 Jul '18

You're thinking of last years BBQ! My plan was to have the BBQ either August or Sept. Being anywhere near a grill when it's 100 degrees just isn't enjoyable. On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 10:47 AM, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > I thought it already happened. Maybe I'm thinking of last year's BBQ? > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 10:43 AM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> > wrote: > >> THE HAMMER <hammerron(a)hotmail.com> writes: >> >> > I wasn't able to get to the last meeting so am >> > wondering of there has been any talk of a WLUG BBQ? >> >> No. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Next Meeting: July 12th 2018 Topic: Open Forum Location: WPI campus Center room 301 (Hagglund)
by Tim Keller 09 Jul '18

09 Jul '18

Very cool... I guess we've got a topic now? Is someone interested in talking about this? On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:05 PM, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > So is guix GNU Herd or some new GUI frontend? > > It's big news on the Guile Scheme mailing list. > It's a package managment system. > > -- Keith > > From: ludo(a)gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) > To: guix-devel(a)gnu.org, help-guix(a)gnu.org, > gnu-system-discuss(a)gnu.org, info-gnu(a)gnu.org > Subject: GNU Guix & GuixSD 0.15.0 released > Cc: guile-user(a)gnu.org, nix-dev(a)lists.science.uu.nl > > We are pleased to announce the release of GNU Guix & GuixSD 0.15.0, > representing 7,020 commits by 100 people over 7 months. > > This release brings us close to our goals for 1.0, so it’s probably one > of the last zero-dot-something releases. > > • About > > GNU Guix is a transactional package manager for the GNU system. > The Guix System Distribution, GuixSD, is an advanced distribution > of the GNU system. > > In addition to standard package management features, Guix supports > transactional upgrades and roll-backs, unprivileged package > management, and per-user profiles. GuixSD offers a declarative > approach to operating system configuration management and is highly > hackable. Guix uses low-level mechanisms from the Nix package > manager, except that packages are defined as native Guile modules, > using extensions to the Scheme language. > > GuixSD uses the Linux-Libre kernel and the GNU Shepherd init system. > It can be used on an i686, x86_64, armv7, or aarch64 machine. > > It is also possible to use Guix on top of an already installed > GNU/Linux system, including on armv7, aarch64, and mips64el. > > https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Next Meeting: July 12th 2018 Topic: Open Forum Location: WPI campus Center room 301 (Hagglund)
by Keith Wright 09 Jul '18

09 Jul '18

Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > So is guix GNU Herd or some new GUI frontend? It's big news on the Guile Scheme mailing list. It's a package managment system. -- Keith From: ludo(a)gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) To: guix-devel(a)gnu.org, help-guix(a)gnu.org, gnu-system-discuss(a)gnu.org, info-gnu(a)gnu.org Subject: GNU Guix & GuixSD 0.15.0 released Cc: guile-user(a)gnu.org, nix-dev(a)lists.science.uu.nl We are pleased to announce the release of GNU Guix & GuixSD 0.15.0, representing 7,020 commits by 100 people over 7 months. This release brings us close to our goals for 1.0, so it’s probably one of the last zero-dot-something releases. • About GNU Guix is a transactional package manager for the GNU system. The Guix System Distribution, GuixSD, is an advanced distribution of the GNU system. In addition to standard package management features, Guix supports transactional upgrades and roll-backs, unprivileged package management, and per-user profiles. GuixSD offers a declarative approach to operating system configuration management and is highly hackable. Guix uses low-level mechanisms from the Nix package manager, except that packages are defined as native Guile modules, using extensions to the Scheme language. GuixSD uses the Linux-Libre kernel and the GNU Shepherd init system. It can be used on an i686, x86_64, armv7, or aarch64 machine. It is also possible to use Guix on top of an already installed GNU/Linux system, including on armv7, aarch64, and mips64el. https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/

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Re: [Wlug] Next Meeting: July 12th 2018 Topic: Open Forum Location: WPI campus Center room 301 (Hagglund)
by Tim Keller 09 Jul '18

09 Jul '18

So is guix GNU Herd or some new GUI frontend? On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 1:32 PM, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > This could be an interesting topic for discussion, too: > https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/ > > On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 10:17 AM Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> > wrote: > >> Has anyone messed with Peertube? >> https://joinpeertube.org/en/home/ >> I don't remember if it's strictly Linux-related, but I heard about it on >> a Linux podcast and it sounds interesting. >> >> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:22 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hey Gang, >>> >>> Our next meeting is July 12th, 2018. Currently there isn't a topic, so >>> I think I'm going to call this an open forum meeting. >>> >>> We'll definitely want to talk about when we want the BBQ. >>> >>> Personally, my vote is for Sept. Less bugs, cooler weather, etc. >>> Obviously if someone with a pool wants to pitch for August I can be >>> persuaded! >>> >>> Location: WPI Campus Center Rm 301 (Hagglund room) When you come up the >>> stairs go right instead of left. >>> >>> Refreshments and snacks will be provided. >>> >>> Afterwards we'll head off for dinner and keep up the conversation. >>> >>> Later, >>> Tim. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> constituents as "consumers". >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Next Meeting: July 12th 2018 Topic: Open Forum Location: WPI campus Center room 301 (Hagglund)
by Richard Klein 09 Jul '18

09 Jul '18

This could be an interesting topic for discussion, too: https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/ On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 10:17 AM Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > Has anyone messed with Peertube? > https://joinpeertube.org/en/home/ > I don't remember if it's strictly Linux-related, but I heard about it on a > Linux podcast and it sounds interesting. > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:22 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hey Gang, >> >> Our next meeting is July 12th, 2018. Currently there isn't a topic, so I >> think I'm going to call this an open forum meeting. >> >> We'll definitely want to talk about when we want the BBQ. >> >> Personally, my vote is for Sept. Less bugs, cooler weather, etc. >> Obviously if someone with a pool wants to pitch for August I can be >> persuaded! >> >> Location: WPI Campus Center Rm 301 (Hagglund room) When you come up the >> stairs go right instead of left. >> >> Refreshments and snacks will be provided. >> >> Afterwards we'll head off for dinner and keep up the conversation. >> >> Later, >> Tim. >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Re: [Wlug] Next Meeting: July 12th 2018 Topic: Open Forum Location: WPI campus Center room 301 (Hagglund)
by Richard Klein 09 Jul '18

09 Jul '18

Has anyone messed with Peertube? https://joinpeertube.org/en/home/ I don't remember if it's strictly Linux-related, but I heard about it on a Linux podcast and it sounds interesting. On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:22 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > Our next meeting is July 12th, 2018. Currently there isn't a topic, so I > think I'm going to call this an open forum meeting. > > We'll definitely want to talk about when we want the BBQ. > > Personally, my vote is for Sept. Less bugs, cooler weather, etc. Obviously > if someone with a pool wants to pitch for August I can be persuaded! > > Location: WPI Campus Center Rm 301 (Hagglund room) When you come up the > stairs go right instead of left. > > Refreshments and snacks will be provided. > > Afterwards we'll head off for dinner and keep up the conversation. > > Later, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Next Meeting: July 12th 2018 Topic: Open Forum Location: WPI campus Center room 301 (Hagglund)
by Tim Keller 08 Jul '18

08 Jul '18

Hey Gang, Our next meeting is July 12th, 2018. Currently there isn't a topic, so I think I'm going to call this an open forum meeting. We'll definitely want to talk about when we want the BBQ. Personally, my vote is for Sept. Less bugs, cooler weather, etc. Obviously if someone with a pool wants to pitch for August I can be persuaded! Location: WPI Campus Center Rm 301 (Hagglund room) When you come up the stairs go right instead of left. Refreshments and snacks will be provided. Afterwards we'll head off for dinner and keep up the conversation. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] BBQ Question
by Richard Klein 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

I thought it already happened. Maybe I'm thinking of last year's BBQ? On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 10:43 AM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > THE HAMMER <hammerron(a)hotmail.com> writes: > > > I wasn't able to get to the last meeting so am > > wondering of there has been any talk of a WLUG BBQ? > > No. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Re: [Wlug] BBQ Question
by Keith Wright 05 Jul '18

05 Jul '18

THE HAMMER <hammerron(a)hotmail.com> writes: > I wasn't able to get to the last meeting so am > wondering of there has been any talk of a WLUG BBQ? No.

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BBQ Question
by THE HAMMER 04 Jul '18

04 Jul '18

I wasn't able to get to the last meeting so am wondering of there has been any talk of a WLUG BBQ? Ron

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Re: [Wlug] Podcasts
by Richard Klein 15 Jun '18

15 Jun '18

Thanks! They have a link to an audio-only version on SoundCloud, but I can't find an RSS feed. On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 10:28 AM thinkbrown(a)gmail.com <thinkbrown(a)gmail.com> wrote: > This is the series that Tim and I were raving about: > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFipeZtQM5CKUjx6grh54g > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:19 AM, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> > wrote: > >> Does anyone happen to remember which podcasts were mentioned last night? >> Eric, in particular, mentioned a one-word website related to a podcast >> which I thought would be easy to remember, but now I've forgotten it. >> >> -- >> Rich >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Re: [Wlug] Podcasts
by thinkbrown＠gmail.com 15 Jun '18

15 Jun '18

This is the series that Tim and I were raving about: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFipeZtQM5CKUjx6grh54g On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:19 AM, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > Does anyone happen to remember which podcasts were mentioned last night? > Eric, in particular, mentioned a one-word website related to a podcast > which I thought would be easy to remember, but now I've forgotten it. > > -- > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Podcasts
by Richard Klein 15 Jun '18

15 Jun '18

Does anyone happen to remember which podcasts were mentioned last night? Eric, in particular, mentioned a one-word website related to a podcast which I thought would be easy to remember, but now I've forgotten it. -- Rich

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Re: [Wlug] Meeting Reminder! Next Meeting Thursday June 14th at 7pm
by Keith Wright 14 Jun '18

14 Jun '18

Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > We've got a meeting on Thursday at June 14th! > > Time: 7pm > Topic: Github / Branch Scope / VDO I expect to be there. > We'll be talking about the Microsoft's purchase > of Github and how it *might* affect the FOSS community. On another list I read: > Mes[0] aims to help create full source > bootstrapping for GuixSD[1] as part of the > bootstrappable builds[2] project. > > * Download > > git clone https://gitlab.com/janneke/mes Does anyone know about Gitlab and how it it relates to Github? Rehearse your rants! -- Keith [0] https://gitlab.com/janneke/mes [1] https://www.gnu.org/software/guix [2] http://bootstrappable.org

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Re: [Wlug] Meeting Reminder! Next Meeting Thursday June 14th at 7pm
by Tim Keller 13 Jun '18

13 Jun '18

I forgot to put the location! It's NOT the usual place!!! We're going to be in the Campus Center Chairmans Room (rm 129) on the bottom floor. On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 1:45 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > We've got a meeting on Thursday at June 14th! > > Time: 7pm > Topic: Github / Branch Scope / VDO > > We'll be talking about the Microsoft's purchase of Github and how it > *might* affect the FOSS community. We'll also be talking about Branch > Scope... Yet another vulnerability in Intel CPUs are vulnerable to having > unprivileged users read large swap of memory, even segments that are > protected by Intel's famed > > I'll also demo VDO (RedHat's new dedup / compression block layer). > > Snacks and refreshments will be provided! > > Afterwards we'll head off for dinner to continue the conversation! > > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Meeting Reminder! Next Meeting Thursday June 14th at 7pm
by Tim Keller 13 Jun '18

13 Jun '18

Hey Gang, We've got a meeting on Thursday at June 14th! Time: 7pm Topic: Github / Branch Scope / VDO We'll be talking about the Microsoft's purchase of Github and how it *might* affect the FOSS community. We'll also be talking about Branch Scope... Yet another vulnerability in Intel CPUs are vulnerable to having unprivileged users read large swap of memory, even segments that are protected by Intel's famed I'll also demo VDO (RedHat's new dedup / compression block layer). Snacks and refreshments will be provided! Afterwards we'll head off for dinner to continue the conversation! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Free to a good home: HP PSC 1315xi All in one printer
by Tim Keller 17 May '18

17 May '18

Have you been waiting to get yourself one of those awesome web connected printers, but didn't want to shell out the big bucks? Well... you're out of luck, this is NOT one of those printers. If however, you'd like a reliable inkjet printer that works well with linux, let me know. The scanner / copier / printing functions all work. Better yet, it has new ink cartridges in it as well! Mind you, it is an elderly printer, but I've had zero issues with it. The only con is that HP branded ink cartridges are getting expensive, but the knockoffs work just fine as well. Let me know if you'd like it and I'll hand it over at the meeting tonight. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Meeting Tonight!
by Tim Keller 17 May '18

17 May '18

We've got a meeting tonight! Date / Time / Place: May 17th / 7pm / WPI Mid Century Room rm 331 (the usual place) Topic: Digital Ocean droplets / MFA ssh / Mail & Website conversation. Drinks / Snacks will be provided and we'll head off afterwards for dinner! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Reminder! WLUG meeting Tomorrow May 17th, 2018!
by Tim Keller 16 May '18

16 May '18

We've got a meeting tomorrow! Date & Time: May 17th, 2018 @ 7pm Location: WPI Mid Century Room (rm 331) "The Usual Place" Topic: Digital Ocean / Droplets / MFA ssh Also we're going to have a discussion about what we'd like to do with the WLUG mailing list (possibly rehosting it somewhere) and a revamp of our webpage. As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll head off for dinner somewhere afterwards. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] REMINDER NO MEETING TONIGHT!!!
by Richard Klein 10 May '18

10 May '18

Thanks for the reminder! I've still got it on my calendar for tonight. It's probably been covered before, but I'd love to know more about Docker and VMs, if we need subjects. It's stuff I haven't had time to explore on my own. On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 9:37 AM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Due to WPI commencement activities we've moved the meeting to NEXT > Thursday (May 17th) > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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REMINDER NO MEETING TONIGHT!!!
by Tim Keller 10 May '18

10 May '18

Due to WPI commencement activities we've moved the meeting to NEXT Thursday (May 17th) Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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MEETING DATE CHANGE!!! May 17th!
by Tim Keller 04 May '18

04 May '18

Talking with Frank, because of commencement, I'm moving the meeting to May 17th. Sorry for any confusion! Date: May 17th, 2018 Time: 7pm Location: Campus Center Mid Century Room 331 (our usual spot) Topic: Future of WLUG mailing list and website I've recently been tinkering with Digital Ocean and it might be a sensible spot where we can host wlug.org and the mailing list. Also I can show off MFA authenication of ssh sessions (likely on a digtial oceans droplet) As usual I'll have refreshments and snacks and we'll head off for dinner (and maybe dessert!) and continue the conversation. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Next Meeting May 10th 2018 Topic: TBD
by Tim Keller 30 Apr '18

30 Apr '18

Hey Gang, Our next meeting is May 10th, 2018. Topic: To Be Decided If there's something someone would like to talk about, let me know and we'll set it up. Here are a couple of ideas: 1. Digital Ocean Cloud Droplet stuff (possibly around hosting wlug mail) 2. Configuring MFA authentication on SSH. Beyond that we'll likely talk about when we'd like the BBQ and other stuff we'd like to talk about. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Embedded Linux contract opening
by John Spencer 27 Apr '18

27 Apr '18

Connected Systems has a client with a long-term contract opening (12+ months) in the Littleton, MA area for a Sr or Prin Embedded Software Engineer with strong C/C++ and embedded Linux experience. Responsible for design and development of embedded software for next gen systems using C and C++ Design and develop Linux software including kernel and driver management. Requirements: Must be US Citizen with ability to obtain a Secret Clearance. Current clearance is a plus, but not required. 8+ years of embedded software design and development in a commercial or defense environment Strong experience designing and developing in an embedded Linux environment using C and C++ Experience with driver and kernel configuration BSEE or related technical degree Please send your resume and any questions to my email below. Regards, John Spencer Connected Systems Partners Office: (978) 455-5550 x208 Cell: (978) 621-9743 jspencer(a)connectedsp.com<mailto:jspencer@connectedsp.com> www.connectedsp.com<http://www.connectedsp.com/> GET CONNECTED! All information in this email, unless indicated otherwise in the body of the email, is considered confidential and intended for the view and use of the recipient(s) only.

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Re: [Wlug] Digital Ocean
by Chuck Anderson 20 Apr '18

20 Apr '18

This looks cool: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-run-your-own-mail-s… I would prefer if there was a turnkey solution for Mailman 3, Postorius, and Hyperkitty. I had played around with those a bit several years ago when they were new. Hyperkitty allows participation in the mailing lists via a web forum interface. On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 04:46:45PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > > I've got my mail hosted on a Digital Ocean droplet and I'm very > happy. For approx $72 a year I get a full Linux system with 1gb of > RAM and 20gb of SSD storage. Plenty for a mail/web hosting setup for > a small family site. > > Tim> One of the podcasts I listen to "Linux Unplugged" has a promo for "Digital > Tim> Ocean" that gets you a $10 credit to go screw around with stuff > > Tim> I just spun up a CentOS box and I've been poking around. It looks like it's > Tim> QEMU/KVM on the insides... > > Tim> Later, > Tim> Tim.

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Re: [Wlug] Digital Ocean
by John Stoffel 20 Apr '18

20 Apr '18

I've got my mail hosted on a Digital Ocean droplet and I'm very happy. For approx $72 a year I get a full Linux system with 1gb of RAM and 20gb of SSD storage. Plenty for a mail/web hosting setup for a small family site. Tim> One of the podcasts I listen to "Linux Unplugged" has a promo for "Digital Tim> Ocean" that gets you a $10 credit to go screw around with stuff Tim> I just spun up a CentOS box and I've been poking around. It looks like it's Tim> QEMU/KVM on the insides... Tim> Later, Tim> Tim. Tim> -- Tim> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their Tim> constituents as "consumers". Tim> _______________________________________________ Tim> Wlug mailing list Tim> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Tim> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Digital Ocean
by Tim Keller 20 Apr '18

20 Apr '18

Hey Guys, One of the podcasts I listen to "Linux Unplugged" has a promo for "Digital Ocean" that gets you a $10 credit to go screw around with stuff I just spun up a CentOS box and I've been poking around. It looks like it's QEMU/KVM on the insides... Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Great meeting last night!
by Tim Keller 13 Apr '18

13 Apr '18

Hey Everybody, Last night's meeting was fantastic! It's always great to get a full house! For those of you who were unable to make it, there were a number of fantastic mini talks. Login gave a great 15 minute rundown regarding the "audit2allow" tool to generate selinux rules. Login then proceeded to show how SElinux is running in lots of places... and then SSH'd into his phone to show that it was also run SElinux. kudos on the sshing over bluetooth from your laptop... that was cool. Greg then gave a great demo on a very lightweight security oriented linux called "Heads" (as opposed to the more well known "Tails" distribution. What was more amazing was that he was running it on a pretty old laptop and it was zippy... Though their support for mirroring displays could be a bit clearer! It was really impressive what you can do with a two core pentium laptop and a usb stick! Lastly, Chuck showed off Qubes. While the install didn't finish until we'd come back from dinner! Chuck was able to talk about the idea of separating applications into different Xen domains. It was really cool. Though we talked about this at and after dinner... I'm fearful that Xen is going the way of the dodo... I wonder if in the future the Qubes people will support other hypervisors. Thank to Login, Greg and Chuck for presenting and thanks to everybody for turning it into a lively and interesting round table discussion. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] WLUG Meeting Tomorrow! Topic: Security Oriented Linux
by Tim Keller 12 Apr '18

12 Apr '18

That would be awesome! On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > I can try to get Qubes working again on my laptop. I kinda doubt it would > work as a VM since it is based on Xen VMs itself. > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 02:10:28AM +0000, Tim Keller wrote: > > Hey Gang, > > > > Our next meeting will be April 12th, 2018. > > > > Time: 7pm > > Location: WPI Mid Century Room rm 331 > > > > The topic of this meeting will be Security Oriented Linux(s). In short > > these are versions of linux that attempt to harden your machine through > > encryption, process isolation, etc. and obscure your access to the > internet > > using proxies and tor. > > > > This will include Tails, Kali, Whonix, Qubes, etc. > > If you are using one of the above, drop me a quick line. > > > > Otherwise, I'll be running a few of these as VMs on my machine. > > > > Snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off > for > > dinner and keep the conversation going. > > > > Thanks, > > Tim. > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > > constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > -- > - Chuck (0 Days until IPv4 depletion: http://ipv4depletion.com/) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] WLUG Meeting Tomorrow! Topic: Security Oriented Linux
by Chuck Anderson 12 Apr '18

12 Apr '18

I can try to get Qubes working again on my laptop. I kinda doubt it would work as a VM since it is based on Xen VMs itself. On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 02:10:28AM +0000, Tim Keller wrote: > Hey Gang, > > Our next meeting will be April 12th, 2018. > > Time: 7pm > Location: WPI Mid Century Room rm 331 > > The topic of this meeting will be Security Oriented Linux(s). In short > these are versions of linux that attempt to harden your machine through > encryption, process isolation, etc. and obscure your access to the internet > using proxies and tor. > > This will include Tails, Kali, Whonix, Qubes, etc. > If you are using one of the above, drop me a quick line. > > Otherwise, I'll be running a few of these as VMs on my machine. > > Snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for > dinner and keep the conversation going. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- - Chuck (0 Days until IPv4 depletion: http://ipv4depletion.com/)

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WLUG Meeting Tomorrow! Topic: Security Oriented Linux
by Tim Keller 12 Apr '18

12 Apr '18

Hey Gang, Our next meeting will be April 12th, 2018. Time: 7pm Location: WPI Mid Century Room rm 331 The topic of this meeting will be Security Oriented Linux(s). In short these are versions of linux that attempt to harden your machine through encryption, process isolation, etc. and obscure your access to the internet using proxies and tor. This will include Tails, Kali, Whonix, Qubes, etc. If you are using one of the above, drop me a quick line. Otherwise, I'll be running a few of these as VMs on my machine. Snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for dinner and keep the conversation going. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Human Machine Interface
by Richard Klein 06 Apr '18

06 Apr '18

Yes, Keith, you're interesting! On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 12:07 AM, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> writes: > > > If anyone has experience writing HMI software, > > I hear my employer needs someone. > > This your lucky day! I wrote some of that years ago; > here it is: > > ;;; Copyright Keith Wright (2018) > ;;; This is Free Software. Licence GPL v2 or later. > > (define (HMI) (display "prompt>") (read)) > > > I think we're looking for an EE, too. > > I have a roll of CAT-5 and a crimper tool. > > > Let me know if you're interested. > > Let me know if I'm interesting. > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Re: [Wlug] Human Machine Interface
by Keith Wright 06 Apr '18

06 Apr '18

Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> writes: > If anyone has experience writing HMI software, > I hear my employer needs someone. This your lucky day! I wrote some of that years ago; here it is: ;;; Copyright Keith Wright (2018) ;;; This is Free Software. Licence GPL v2 or later. (define (HMI) (display "prompt>") (read)) > I think we're looking for an EE, too. I have a roll of CAT-5 and a crimper tool. > Let me know if you're interested. Let me know if I'm interesting. -- Keith

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Re: [Wlug] Meeting April 12th, 2018 Topic: Security oriented Linux distributions.
by Richard Klein 06 Apr '18

06 Apr '18

I was starting to plan to bring my tower with Kali and was wondering if a monitor would be available, but then i remembered I'd have to haul it up from the parking area. It's an old Dell Precision; it's pretty heavy. A VM sounds good to me! On Thu, Apr 5, 2018, 9:06 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > Our next meeting will be April 12th, 2018. > > Time: 7pm > Location: WPI Mid Century Room rm 331 > > The topic of this meeting will be Security Oriented Linux(s). In short > these are versions of linux that attempt to harden your machine through > encryption, process isolation, etc. and obscure your access to the internet > using proxies and tor. > > This will include Tails, Kali, Whonix, Qubes, etc. > If you are using one of the above, drop me a quick line. > > Otherwise, I'll be running all of these as VMs on my machine. > > Snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for > dinner and keep the conversation going. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Human Machine Interface
by Richard Klein 06 Apr '18

06 Apr '18

If anyone has experience writing HMI software, I hear my employer needs someone. I think we're looking for an EE, too. Let me know if you're interested. -- Rich

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Meeting April 12th, 2018 Topic: Security oriented Linux distributions.
by Tim Keller 06 Apr '18

06 Apr '18

Hey Gang, Our next meeting will be April 12th, 2018. Time: 7pm Location: WPI Mid Century Room rm 331 The topic of this meeting will be Security Oriented Linux(s). In short these are versions of linux that attempt to harden your machine through encryption, process isolation, etc. and obscure your access to the internet using proxies and tor. This will include Tails, Kali, Whonix, Qubes, etc. If you are using one of the above, drop me a quick line. Otherwise, I'll be running all of these as VMs on my machine. Snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for dinner and keep the conversation going. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Resurrecting old computers with Linux...
by Chuck Anderson 01 Apr '18

01 Apr '18

I wonder if Sparkler Filters is still using their IBM 402 which they were still using as of 2012: https://www.pcworld.com/article/249951/computers/if-it-aint-broke-dont-fix-… They seem to be in business still: http://www.sparkler.com/ On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 09:42:37PM -0400, Jon "maddog" Hall wrote: > John, > > If I remember correctly, the equivalent of "assembly language" for the 1401 > (either the IBM model or the IMB model) was "Autocoder". > > The IBM 1401 was introduced about 1961. By the time I started work at > Aetna Life and Casualty in 1973, we had become the "Largest commercial user > of IBM Equipment in the Free World". That means that maybe the government > used more IBM computers, or that the Russians or the Chinese were using > more IBM computers, but other than that AETNA WAS THE LARGEST. We > AUTOMATICALLY ordered two of anything IBM announced. No sales person had > to call us. IBM announced it: Aetna ordered two. > > So by that time we had lots of IBM 1401s and lots of Autocoder programmers. > > Then the IBM 360 line came out, and with it IBM's line of batch operating > systems: MFT, MVT, VS-1, VS-2, and (finally) MVS. Unfortunately getting > jobs into and out of these batch systems was extraordinarily painful until > the Houston Automatic Spooling Priority (HASP) system (developed at the IBM > Federal Systems Division of the Lyndon B. Johnson Space Flight Center in > Houston, Texas) came out and made life bearable for the operators of the > machines. [Editorial Side Note: These were not "Network Administrators", > nor "Systems Administrators"....these were OPERATORS! As in BOFH! Never > forget that! And for heaven sake RTFM!] > > With those also arrived a time-sharing system called CP-67 along with a > small "Cambridge Monitor System" (CMS), needed because CP-67 was a Virtual > Machine. > > Yes, a Virtual Machine in 1973! Which eventually was renamed to "VM/CMS" > and "CMS" became the "Conversational Monitor System".....but I digress.... > > Aetna had a LOT of machines, and a LOT of Autocoder programs, and a LOT of > Autocoder programmers, which they tried to convert to COBOL. > > Yes, COBOL, that wondrous language developed by the team headed up by my > personal hero, Rear Admiral Grace Murray Hopper! > > After several years most of the programmers were happily writing COBOL > (yes, I know that seems hard to believe, but they were) except for a few > Autocoder programmers left to make bug fixes and extensions to existing > Autocoder programs. Of course new programs and new systems were written > in COBOL, because why would you write anything new in Autocoder. > > As the 1401s were replaced by 360s and (later) 370 machines, IBM created an > emulator for Autocoder that operated in a 360/370 system, so you could run > Autocoder programs binary compatible on your 370/370 mainframe. And when > you did you almost heard the IBM choking. > > I never coded in Autocoder, but I did hear one story about an instruction > that "rotated all of memory under the accumulator", and it was said that > when that instruction (which executed gracefully on a real IBM 1401) hit > the emulator on the 360/370, you could hear the machine hemorrhaging..... > > Over time the Autocoder programmers became gloomy. They were tired of > patching old programs, and not working on any of the new, exciting systems > that Aetna was writing. Aetna had written its own real-time transaction > processing system called SAFARI (sorry Apple, we were first) and later on a > Group Claim Payment System (ACCLAIMS), which gained a lot of people glory. > > Autocoder patching did not get much glory. And over time there was less > and less work...the writing was on the wall. > > One day I came into work and found the Autocoder programmers very excited > and happy. They were given NEW programs to write! "I did not know you > guys had learned COBOL!" I exclaimed. > > "Oh, we have not learned COBOL. They are allowing us to write the new > programs in Autocoder." > > In the late 1990s there was this panic to find old COBOL programmers who > could fix potential problems with Y2K problems. I am sure that Aetna had > to bring a few Autocoder programmers back from the dead. > > And now you know THE REST OF THE STORY. > > Warmest regards, > > maddog > > > > On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 8:39 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > > > > *ppppbbbbbbttttttt!* > > > > Jon> I never worked on an "IMB 1401". Was that anything like the IBM 1401? > > > > Jon> (ducks) > > > > Ken Shirriff is the guy behind righto.com, really interesting stuff he > > writes about. Sometimes I wish I was that smart and motivated. But > > writing is hard for me... as Maddog showed. > > > > *grin* > > > > Jon> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 19:16 John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> "Jon" == Jon \"maddog\" Hall <jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > > >>> The trouble with the old machines is the > > >>> eventual death of irreplacable hardware -- Pentium-MMX CPU Fans, PATA > > >>> disks and the like. > > > > Jon> Emulators and virtual machines.....allow old copies of the OS to live > > Jon> forever. > > > > Jon> I am, however, waiting for the "virtual car", for the time that > > Jon> people can no longer get the little embedded systems that allow > > Jon> modern-day cars to run. The era of "fixing up an old car" which > > Jon> both trained you in auto mechanics and "gave you wheels" is > > Jon> coming to a close. > > > > Jon> Did you see the new game on early release on Steam? System Build > > Jon> Simulator? Where you get to build a new PC in a simulation? > > Heh... > > > > Jon> Another great resource is this blog, http://righto.com, who > > works on > > Jon> old IMB 1401 systems with card punches, etc. Lots of great info > > Jon> there. > > > > Jon> John

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Re: [Wlug] Resurrecting old computers with Linux...
by Jon "maddog" Hall 01 Apr '18

01 Apr '18

John, If I remember correctly, the equivalent of "assembly language" for the 1401 (either the IBM model or the IMB model) was "Autocoder". The IBM 1401 was introduced about 1961. By the time I started work at Aetna Life and Casualty in 1973, we had become the "Largest commercial user of IBM Equipment in the Free World". That means that maybe the government used more IBM computers, or that the Russians or the Chinese were using more IBM computers, but other than that AETNA WAS THE LARGEST. We AUTOMATICALLY ordered two of anything IBM announced. No sales person had to call us. IBM announced it: Aetna ordered two. So by that time we had lots of IBM 1401s and lots of Autocoder programmers. Then the IBM 360 line came out, and with it IBM's line of batch operating systems: MFT, MVT, VS-1, VS-2, and (finally) MVS. Unfortunately getting jobs into and out of these batch systems was extraordinarily painful until the Houston Automatic Spooling Priority (HASP) system (developed at the IBM Federal Systems Division of the Lyndon B. Johnson Space Flight Center in Houston, Texas) came out and made life bearable for the operators of the machines. [Editorial Side Note: These were not "Network Administrators", nor "Systems Administrators"....these were OPERATORS! As in BOFH! Never forget that! And for heaven sake RTFM!] With those also arrived a time-sharing system called CP-67 along with a small "Cambridge Monitor System" (CMS), needed because CP-67 was a Virtual Machine. Yes, a Virtual Machine in 1973! Which eventually was renamed to "VM/CMS" and "CMS" became the "Conversational Monitor System".....but I digress.... Aetna had a LOT of machines, and a LOT of Autocoder programs, and a LOT of Autocoder programmers, which they tried to convert to COBOL. Yes, COBOL, that wondrous language developed by the team headed up by my personal hero, Rear Admiral Grace Murray Hopper! After several years most of the programmers were happily writing COBOL (yes, I know that seems hard to believe, but they were) except for a few Autocoder programmers left to make bug fixes and extensions to existing Autocoder programs. Of course new programs and new systems were written in COBOL, because why would you write anything new in Autocoder. As the 1401s were replaced by 360s and (later) 370 machines, IBM created an emulator for Autocoder that operated in a 360/370 system, so you could run Autocoder programs binary compatible on your 370/370 mainframe. And when you did you almost heard the IBM choking. I never coded in Autocoder, but I did hear one story about an instruction that "rotated all of memory under the accumulator", and it was said that when that instruction (which executed gracefully on a real IBM 1401) hit the emulator on the 360/370, you could hear the machine hemorrhaging..... Over time the Autocoder programmers became gloomy. They were tired of patching old programs, and not working on any of the new, exciting systems that Aetna was writing. Aetna had written its own real-time transaction processing system called SAFARI (sorry Apple, we were first) and later on a Group Claim Payment System (ACCLAIMS), which gained a lot of people glory. Autocoder patching did not get much glory. And over time there was less and less work...the writing was on the wall. One day I came into work and found the Autocoder programmers very excited and happy. They were given NEW programs to write! "I did not know you guys had learned COBOL!" I exclaimed. "Oh, we have not learned COBOL. They are allowing us to write the new programs in Autocoder." In the late 1990s there was this panic to find old COBOL programmers who could fix potential problems with Y2K problems. I am sure that Aetna had to bring a few Autocoder programmers back from the dead. And now you know THE REST OF THE STORY. Warmest regards, maddog On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 8:39 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > *ppppbbbbbbttttttt!* > > Jon> I never worked on an "IMB 1401". Was that anything like the IBM 1401? > > Jon> (ducks) > > Ken Shirriff is the guy behind righto.com, really interesting stuff he > writes about. Sometimes I wish I was that smart and motivated. But > writing is hard for me... as Maddog showed. > > *grin* > > Jon> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 19:16 John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > >>>>>> "Jon" == Jon \"maddog\" Hall <jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> writes: > > >>> The trouble with the old machines is the > >>> eventual death of irreplacable hardware -- Pentium-MMX CPU Fans, PATA > >>> disks and the like. > > Jon> Emulators and virtual machines.....allow old copies of the OS to live > Jon> forever. > > Jon> I am, however, waiting for the "virtual car", for the time that > Jon> people can no longer get the little embedded systems that allow > Jon> modern-day cars to run. The era of "fixing up an old car" which > Jon> both trained you in auto mechanics and "gave you wheels" is > Jon> coming to a close. > > Jon> Did you see the new game on early release on Steam? System Build > Jon> Simulator? Where you get to build a new PC in a simulation? > Heh... > > Jon> Another great resource is this blog, http://righto.com, who > works on > Jon> old IMB 1401 systems with card punches, etc. Lots of great info > Jon> there. > > Jon> John > > Jon> _______________________________________________ > Jon> Wlug mailing list > Jon> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Jon> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > Jon> _______________________________________________ > Jon> Wlug mailing list > Jon> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Jon> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Re: [Wlug] Resurrecting old computers with Linux...
by John Stoffel 01 Apr '18

01 Apr '18

*ppppbbbbbbttttttt!* Jon> I never worked on an "IMB 1401". Was that anything like the IBM 1401? Jon> (ducks) Ken Shirriff is the guy behind righto.com, really interesting stuff he writes about. Sometimes I wish I was that smart and motivated. But writing is hard for me... as Maddog showed. *grin* Jon> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 19:16 John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >>>>>> "Jon" == Jon \"maddog\" Hall <jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> writes: >>> The trouble with the old machines is the >>> eventual death of irreplacable hardware -- Pentium-MMX CPU Fans, PATA >>> disks and the like. Jon> Emulators and virtual machines.....allow old copies of the OS to live Jon> forever. Jon> I am, however, waiting for the "virtual car", for the time that Jon> people can no longer get the little embedded systems that allow Jon> modern-day cars to run. The era of "fixing up an old car" which Jon> both trained you in auto mechanics and "gave you wheels" is Jon> coming to a close. Jon> Did you see the new game on early release on Steam? System Build Jon> Simulator? Where you get to build a new PC in a simulation? Heh... Jon> Another great resource is this blog, http://righto.com, who works on Jon> old IMB 1401 systems with card punches, etc. Lots of great info Jon> there. Jon> John Jon> _______________________________________________ Jon> Wlug mailing list Jon> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Jon> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Jon> _______________________________________________ Jon> Wlug mailing list Jon> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Jon> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] Resurrecting old computers with Linux...
by Jon "maddog" Hall 01 Apr '18

01 Apr '18

John, I never worked on an "IMB 1401". Was that anything like the IBM 1401? (ducks) Jon On Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 19:16 John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Jon" == Jon \"maddog\" Hall <jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> writes: > > >> The trouble with the old machines is the > >> eventual death of irreplacable hardware -- Pentium-MMX CPU Fans, PATA > >> disks and the like. > > Jon> Emulators and virtual machines.....allow old copies of the OS to live > forever. > > Jon> I am, however, waiting for the "virtual car", for the time that > Jon> people can no longer get the little embedded systems that allow > Jon> modern-day cars to run. The era of "fixing up an old car" which > Jon> both trained you in auto mechanics and "gave you wheels" is > Jon> coming to a close. > > Did you see the new game on early release on Steam? System Build > Simulator? Where you get to build a new PC in a simulation? Heh... > > Another great resource is this blog, http://righto.com, who works on > old IMB 1401 systems with card punches, etc. Lots of great info > there. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Re: [Wlug] Resurrecting old computers with Linux...
by John Stoffel 31 Mar '18

31 Mar '18

>>>>> "Jon" == Jon \"maddog\" Hall <jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> writes: >> The trouble with the old machines is the >> eventual death of irreplacable hardware -- Pentium-MMX CPU Fans, PATA >> disks and the like. Jon> Emulators and virtual machines.....allow old copies of the OS to live forever. Jon> I am, however, waiting for the "virtual car", for the time that Jon> people can no longer get the little embedded systems that allow Jon> modern-day cars to run. The era of "fixing up an old car" which Jon> both trained you in auto mechanics and "gave you wheels" is Jon> coming to a close. Did you see the new game on early release on Steam? System Build Simulator? Where you get to build a new PC in a simulation? Heh... Another great resource is this blog, http://righto.com, who works on old IMB 1401 systems with card punches, etc. Lots of great info there. John

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Re: [Wlug] Resurrecting old computers with Linux...
by Jon "maddog" Hall 31 Mar '18

31 Mar '18

>The trouble with the old machines is the >eventual death of irreplacable hardware -- Pentium-MMX CPU Fans, PATA >disks and the like. Emulators and virtual machines.....allow old copies of the OS to live forever. I am, however, waiting for the "virtual car", for the time that people can no longer get the little embedded systems that allow modern-day cars to run. The era of "fixing up an old car" which both trained you in auto mechanics and "gave you wheels" is coming to a close. md On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 9:04 AM, Michael Voorhis <mvoorhis(a)cs.wpi.edu> wrote: > On 03/30/2018 10:43 PM, Robert Schwein wrote: > > http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/apps/linux-puppy-der- > turbo-fuer-uralt-computer-a-1194437.html> Interesting use of Linux. > > Any OS that can be used with embedded systems will work well on > mid-to-late 1990s PCs. The trouble with the old machines is the > eventual death of irreplacable hardware -- Pentium-MMX CPU Fans, PATA > disks and the like. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Re: [Wlug] Resurrecting old computers with Linux...
by Michael Voorhis 31 Mar '18

31 Mar '18

On 03/30/2018 10:43 PM, Robert Schwein wrote: > http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/apps/linux-puppy-der-turbo-fuer-uralt-comput…> Interesting use of Linux. Any OS that can be used with embedded systems will work well on mid-to-late 1990s PCs. The trouble with the old machines is the eventual death of irreplacable hardware -- Pentium-MMX CPU Fans, PATA disks and the like.

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Resurrecting old computers with Linux...
by Robert Schwein 31 Mar '18

31 Mar '18

http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/apps/linux-puppy-der-turbo-fuer-uralt-comput… Interesting use of Linux. Bob

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Next WLUG meeting! April 12th, 2018! Location: WPI Student Center, Rm 331. Topic: Secure Linux Distributions
by Tim Keller 29 Mar '18

29 Mar '18

Hey Gang, Our next meeting is April 12th, 2018! Would people be interested in talking about security oriented versions of Linux? We all know about Tails, and in consideration of the issues that Richard ran into with getting stuff installed on Kali, it might be interesting to compare / contrast the different options out there. What do people think? I'm thinking this would work best as having a couple of people each showing off a particular distribution. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] RFID reader/writer
by Dennis Payne 28 Mar '18

28 Mar '18

On Mon, 2018-03-26 at 21:47 -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > Adafruit.com has some stuff like this for sale. They're not always > the cheapest, but they have great tutorials and example code. Found a LWN article on NFC: https://lwn.net/Articles/645843/ He used a "PN532 NFC/RFID controller breakout board" and "FTDI Serial TTL-232 USB Cable" to connect via USB. It is supported by libnfc. His article talks about the Linux NFC being a better design and the future of NFC for linux. I haven't looked to see if it has progressed enough since his article to replace libnfc. > Looks like a good start. Probably cost you about $50 total to get > started, if you dont' have a raspberry Pi kicking around. (Still haven't got a raspberry Pi. I consider myself a software guy and not as interested in "raw" hardware. I got the PocketCHIP from kickstarter because it was a finished product. However I seem to be descending into hardware. I purchased TinyCircuit's TinyScreen Video Game Kit and they sent me a TinyArcade to port my Pac-Man clone to.) > This could be a really fun thing for the cubs to do! Especially if > you could then sign their figures so that when they hit the reader, > it knows it's them. Or something like that. Ask the kids for ideas! Definitely plan to ask the kids for ideas. Just plan to test enough that I feel confident it is doable before asking them. Yesterday I took pictures of Skylanders to see at what scale they still look good. At 64 pixels wide they are a little grainy. 128 pixels wide looks pretty good. Skylanders apparently has catch phrases for characters so I would like to get each kid to record a catch phrase for their character.

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Re: [Wlug] RFID reader/writer
by John Stoffel 27 Mar '18

27 Mar '18

Dennis> Does anyone have a recommendation for a RFID reader/writer for Dennis> Linux (and Windows if possible)? I'm looking for a relatively Dennis> inexpensive solution. Adafruit.com has some stuff like this for sale. They're not always the cheapest, but they have great tutorials and example code. https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-nfc-rfid-on-raspberry-pi/overview?gclid… Looks like a good start. Probably cost you about $50 total to get started, if you dont' have a raspberry Pi kicking around. Dennis> My kids just got Skylanders Imaginators. I found some code to Dennis> read the characters. I started thinking about the Game Design Dennis> merit badge for Cub Scout Webelos. I'm wondering about the Dennis> viability of building a "portal" device and having the kids Dennis> make clay figures with rfids inside the base. Obviously the Dennis> game would be as complex as Skylanders. I'm thinking 2D using Dennis> pictures of the models. This could be a really fun thing for the cubs to do! Especially if you could then sign their figures so that when they hit the reader, it knows it's them. Or something like that. Ask the kids for ideas!

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RFID reader/writer
by Dennis Payne 27 Mar '18

27 Mar '18

Does anyone have a recommendation for a RFID reader/writer for Linux (and Windows if possible)? I'm looking for a relatively inexpensive solution. My kids just got Skylanders Imaginators. I found some code to read the characters. I started thinking about the Game Design merit badge for Cub Scout Webelos. I'm wondering about the viability of building a "portal" device and having the kids make clay figures with rfids inside the base. Obviously the game would be as complex as Skylanders. I'm thinking 2D using pictures of the models.

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Re: [Wlug] Kali Linux/GDM3 display manager
by Richard Klein 26 Mar '18

26 Mar '18

I'll try that Xorg.wrap work-around, in any case. On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:26 PM, Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob < njkrichevsky(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > o_O I don't know enough about how X interacts with the hardware, but not > being able to open the frame buffer doesn't sound good... Take a look at > this. <https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/149987/233297> >

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Re: [Wlug] Kali Linux/GDM3 display manager
by Richard Klein 26 Mar '18

26 Mar '18

I'm pretty sure it does manage to open the framebuffer; I get the mouse cursor at what looks to be the monitor's native resolution. It probably throws that error before it tries a different method, but obviously I don't know. On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:26 PM, Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob < njkrichevsky(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > o_O I don't know enough about how X interacts with the hardware, but not > being able to open the frame buffer doesn't sound good... Take a look at > this. <https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/149987/233297> > ------------------------------ > *From:* wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org> on behalf > of Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 7:14:35 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [Wlug] Kali Linux/GDM3 display manager > > Creating a new user didn't clear anything up. I was able to log into the > GUI session with the new user, but, again, there was nothing there but a > solid background and the mouse cursor. > > I didn't find .xsession-errors or .gconf in my home directories (for my > existing account nor for the new account), but I did find > $home/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.1.log. There were a couple warnings for > fonts it couldn't find and drivers it couldn't use, but in all cases it was > able to fall back to something else. There was one error: > (EE) open /dev/fb0: permission denied > That was it. > > -- > Rich > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:45 AM, Bradley Noyes <bkn(a)ithryn.net> wrote: > > Richard, > > I’d bet that your packages are fine (but i’m not a betting man). It sounds > too me like there is something awry w/ your X environment. Perhaps the > upgraded packages don’t recognize a config buried somewhere. Here’s a > couple things i would try. > > - Often times there a file in your home directory called > .xsession-errors. I’d see if that file exists, and it may offer you some > hints as to why your window manager is not starting. I recall launching X > from a Graphical Login Window to be finicky in linux and error output is > difficult to understand. the .xsession-errors file is where i’d look first. > > - Other idea is to create a new user, then login to the GUI with that > user to make sure the GUI starts from a fresh environment. > > - The last idea i have. It sounds like you’re running gnome from the fact > that your using GDM3, I believe the gnome environment files are in .gconf > in your home directory. try renaming your .gconf to something like > .gconf.backup. You may also want to try the same for .local, although many > other applications beyond gnome apps use .local for environment settings. > > > - b > > > > On Mar 18, 2018, at 11:13, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > > > > I'm running Kali, which is based on Debian. Recently, after some > updates, the computer would only boot to a text prompt; no GUI. I found > that, somehow, I had a more recent version of a Gstreamer-plugins library > than GDM3 could run on. I removed the library, then re-installed GDM3, > letting it choose whatever libraries it depended on. That worked, to a > point. It boots to the GUI now, and gives me a login prompt. I enter my > username and password successfully, but then I get a solid-color > background, a mouse cursor, and nothing else; no icons, no status bars, no > menus, no apparent response to mouse clicks. > > > > My guess is I still need to re-install something else that runs on top > of the display manager, but I don't know what. Any ideas? > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Re: [Wlug] Kali Linux/GDM3 display manager
by Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob 26 Mar '18

26 Mar '18

o_O I don't know enough about how X interacts with the hardware, but not being able to open the frame buffer doesn't sound good... Take a look at this.<https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/149987/233297> ________________________________ From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org> on behalf of Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 7:14:35 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Kali Linux/GDM3 display manager Creating a new user didn't clear anything up. I was able to log into the GUI session with the new user, but, again, there was nothing there but a solid background and the mouse cursor. I didn't find .xsession-errors or .gconf in my home directories (for my existing account nor for the new account), but I did find $home/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.1.log. There were a couple warnings for fonts it couldn't find and drivers it couldn't use, but in all cases it was able to fall back to something else. There was one error: (EE) open /dev/fb0: permission denied That was it. -- Rich On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:45 AM, Bradley Noyes <bkn(a)ithryn.net<mailto:bkn@ithryn.net>> wrote: Richard, I’d bet that your packages are fine (but i’m not a betting man). It sounds too me like there is something awry w/ your X environment. Perhaps the upgraded packages don’t recognize a config buried somewhere. Here’s a couple things i would try. - Often times there a file in your home directory called .xsession-errors. I’d see if that file exists, and it may offer you some hints as to why your window manager is not starting. I recall launching X from a Graphical Login Window to be finicky in linux and error output is difficult to understand. the .xsession-errors file is where i’d look first. - Other idea is to create a new user, then login to the GUI with that user to make sure the GUI starts from a fresh environment. - The last idea i have. It sounds like you’re running gnome from the fact that your using GDM3, I believe the gnome environment files are in .gconf in your home directory. try renaming your .gconf to something like .gconf.backup. You may also want to try the same for .local, although many other applications beyond gnome apps use .local for environment settings. - b > On Mar 18, 2018, at 11:13, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org<mailto:rich@richardklein.org>> wrote: > > I'm running Kali, which is based on Debian. Recently, after some updates, the computer would only boot to a text prompt; no GUI. I found that, somehow, I had a more recent version of a Gstreamer-plugins library than GDM3 could run on. I removed the library, then re-installed GDM3, letting it choose whatever libraries it depended on. That worked, to a point. It boots to the GUI now, and gives me a login prompt. I enter my username and password successfully, but then I get a solid-color background, a mouse cursor, and nothing else; no icons, no status bars, no menus, no apparent response to mouse clicks. > > My guess is I still need to re-install something else that runs on top of the display manager, but I don't know what. Any ideas? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org<mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org<mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] Kali Linux/GDM3 display manager
by Richard Klein 25 Mar '18

25 Mar '18

Creating a new user didn't clear anything up. I was able to log into the GUI session with the new user, but, again, there was nothing there but a solid background and the mouse cursor. I didn't find .xsession-errors or .gconf in my home directories (for my existing account nor for the new account), but I did find $home/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.1.log. There were a couple warnings for fonts it couldn't find and drivers it couldn't use, but in all cases it was able to fall back to something else. There was one error: (EE) open /dev/fb0: permission denied That was it. -- Rich On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:45 AM, Bradley Noyes <bkn(a)ithryn.net> wrote: > Richard, > > I’d bet that your packages are fine (but i’m not a betting man). It sounds > too me like there is something awry w/ your X environment. Perhaps the > upgraded packages don’t recognize a config buried somewhere. Here’s a > couple things i would try. > > - Often times there a file in your home directory called > .xsession-errors. I’d see if that file exists, and it may offer you some > hints as to why your window manager is not starting. I recall launching X > from a Graphical Login Window to be finicky in linux and error output is > difficult to understand. the .xsession-errors file is where i’d look first. > > - Other idea is to create a new user, then login to the GUI with that > user to make sure the GUI starts from a fresh environment. > > - The last idea i have. It sounds like you’re running gnome from the fact > that your using GDM3, I believe the gnome environment files are in .gconf > in your home directory. try renaming your .gconf to something like > .gconf.backup. You may also want to try the same for .local, although many > other applications beyond gnome apps use .local for environment settings. > > > - b > > > > On Mar 18, 2018, at 11:13, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > > > > I'm running Kali, which is based on Debian. Recently, after some > updates, the computer would only boot to a text prompt; no GUI. I found > that, somehow, I had a more recent version of a Gstreamer-plugins library > than GDM3 could run on. I removed the library, then re-installed GDM3, > letting it choose whatever libraries it depended on. That worked, to a > point. It boots to the GUI now, and gives me a login prompt. I enter my > username and password successfully, but then I get a solid-color > background, a mouse cursor, and nothing else; no icons, no status bars, no > menus, no apparent response to mouse clicks. > > > > My guess is I still need to re-install something else that runs on top > of the display manager, but I don't know what. Any ideas? > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Re: [Wlug] Kali Linux/GDM3 display manager
by Richard Klein 20 Mar '18

20 Mar '18

Thanks! I'm not sure I'll do anything with it before the weekend, but I'll check this out. On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:45 AM, Bradley Noyes <bkn(a)ithryn.net> wrote: > Richard, > > I’d bet that your packages are fine (but i’m not a betting man). It sounds > too me like there is something awry w/ your X environment. Perhaps the > upgraded packages don’t recognize a config buried somewhere. Here’s a > couple things i would try. > > - Often times there a file in your home directory called > .xsession-errors. I’d see if that file exists, and it may offer you some > hints as to why your window manager is not starting. I recall launching X > from a Graphical Login Window to be finicky in linux and error output is > difficult to understand. the .xsession-errors file is where i’d look first. > > - Other idea is to create a new user, then login to the GUI with that > user to make sure the GUI starts from a fresh environment. > > - The last idea i have. It sounds like you’re running gnome from the fact > that your using GDM3, I believe the gnome environment files are in .gconf > in your home directory. try renaming your .gconf to something like > .gconf.backup. You may also want to try the same for .local, although many > other applications beyond gnome apps use .local for environment settings. > > > - b > > > > On Mar 18, 2018, at 11:13, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > > > > I'm running Kali, which is based on Debian. Recently, after some > updates, the computer would only boot to a text prompt; no GUI. I found > that, somehow, I had a more recent version of a Gstreamer-plugins library > than GDM3 could run on. I removed the library, then re-installed GDM3, > letting it choose whatever libraries it depended on. That worked, to a > point. It boots to the GUI now, and gives me a login prompt. I enter my > username and password successfully, but then I get a solid-color > background, a mouse cursor, and nothing else; no icons, no status bars, no > menus, no apparent response to mouse clicks. > > > > My guess is I still need to re-install something else that runs on top > of the display manager, but I don't know what. Any ideas? > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Re: [Wlug] Kali Linux/GDM3 display manager
by Bradley Noyes 20 Mar '18

20 Mar '18

Richard, I’d bet that your packages are fine (but i’m not a betting man). It sounds too me like there is something awry w/ your X environment. Perhaps the upgraded packages don’t recognize a config buried somewhere. Here’s a couple things i would try. - Often times there a file in your home directory called .xsession-errors. I’d see if that file exists, and it may offer you some hints as to why your window manager is not starting. I recall launching X from a Graphical Login Window to be finicky in linux and error output is difficult to understand. the .xsession-errors file is where i’d look first. - Other idea is to create a new user, then login to the GUI with that user to make sure the GUI starts from a fresh environment. - The last idea i have. It sounds like you’re running gnome from the fact that your using GDM3, I believe the gnome environment files are in .gconf in your home directory. try renaming your .gconf to something like .gconf.backup. You may also want to try the same for .local, although many other applications beyond gnome apps use .local for environment settings. - b > On Mar 18, 2018, at 11:13, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > > I'm running Kali, which is based on Debian. Recently, after some updates, the computer would only boot to a text prompt; no GUI. I found that, somehow, I had a more recent version of a Gstreamer-plugins library than GDM3 could run on. I removed the library, then re-installed GDM3, letting it choose whatever libraries it depended on. That worked, to a point. It boots to the GUI now, and gives me a login prompt. I enter my username and password successfully, but then I get a solid-color background, a mouse cursor, and nothing else; no icons, no status bars, no menus, no apparent response to mouse clicks. > > My guess is I still need to re-install something else that runs on top of the display manager, but I don't know what. Any ideas? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] Kali Linux/GDM3 display manager
by Richard Klein 18 Mar '18

18 Mar '18

Before i reinstalled GDM3, bash wasn't even recognizing startx as a valid command. I haven't tried again since reinstalling GDM3. Maybe I'll try that after i finish in the kitchen. On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 3:54 PM Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob < njkrichevsky(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Shot in the dark - what happens if you disable gdm, then use a tty to > start X yourself, effectively bypassing gdm? > ------------------------------ > *From:* wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org> on behalf > of Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 18, 2018 11:13:30 AM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users Group > *Subject:* [Wlug] Kali Linux/GDM3 display manager > > I'm running Kali, which is based on Debian. Recently, after some updates, > the computer would only boot to a text prompt; no GUI. I found that, > somehow, I had a more recent version of a Gstreamer-plugins library than > GDM3 could run on. I removed the library, then re-installed GDM3, letting > it choose whatever libraries it depended on. That worked, to a point. It > boots to the GUI now, and gives me a login prompt. I enter my username and > password successfully, but then I get a solid-color background, a mouse > cursor, and nothing else; no icons, no status bars, no menus, no apparent > response to mouse clicks. > > My guess is I still need to re-install something else that runs on top of > the display manager, but I don't know what. Any ideas? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Re: [Wlug] Kali Linux/GDM3 display manager
by Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob 18 Mar '18

18 Mar '18

Shot in the dark - what happens if you disable gdm, then use a tty to start X yourself, effectively bypassing gdm? ________________________________ From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org> on behalf of Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 11:13:30 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] Kali Linux/GDM3 display manager I'm running Kali, which is based on Debian. Recently, after some updates, the computer would only boot to a text prompt; no GUI. I found that, somehow, I had a more recent version of a Gstreamer-plugins library than GDM3 could run on. I removed the library, then re-installed GDM3, letting it choose whatever libraries it depended on. That worked, to a point. It boots to the GUI now, and gives me a login prompt. I enter my username and password successfully, but then I get a solid-color background, a mouse cursor, and nothing else; no icons, no status bars, no menus, no apparent response to mouse clicks. My guess is I still need to re-install something else that runs on top of the display manager, but I don't know what. Any ideas?

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Kali Linux/GDM3 display manager
by Richard Klein 18 Mar '18

18 Mar '18

I'm running Kali, which is based on Debian. Recently, after some updates, the computer would only boot to a text prompt; no GUI. I found that, somehow, I had a more recent version of a Gstreamer-plugins library than GDM3 could run on. I removed the library, then re-installed GDM3, letting it choose whatever libraries it depended on. That worked, to a point. It boots to the GUI now, and gives me a login prompt. I enter my username and password successfully, but then I get a solid-color background, a mouse cursor, and nothing else; no icons, no status bars, no menus, no apparent response to mouse clicks. My guess is I still need to re-install something else that runs on top of the display manager, but I don't know what. Any ideas?

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Amp Hour Podcast
by Richard Klein 16 Mar '18

16 Mar '18

I think a few people on this list will enjoy this podcast: https://theamphour.com/ " The Amp Hour is a non-scripted off-the-cuff format show that usually airs every Thursday evening US time. It is the worlds largest and most respected electronics oriented radio show. Discussions range from hobbyist electronics to the state of the electronics industry, components, circuit design, and general on and off-topic rants. "

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Re: [Wlug] Wlug Meeting March 15th, 2018
by Tim Keller 15 Mar '18

15 Mar '18

Come on down, we're running late. On Thursday, March 15, 2018, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > How late do you think the talk and demo will go? I'm still a few minutes away from leaving work in Billerica, so I probably won't get there 'til after 8. > On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Our next wlug meeting will be March 15th, 2018 @7pm. >> The location will be our usual haunt: WPI Mid Century Room Rm 331. >> Topic: LUKS (Linux Unified Key Setup) >> LUKS is a system for setting up encrypted disks on linux. I'll give a talk and a demo. >> By all means, if this is something you're actively using, feel free to chime in with your experiences both positive and negative. >> As usual, snacks and refreshments will be provided and then we'll head off for burgers or pizza and continue the conversation! >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Wlug Meeting March 15th, 2018
by Richard Klein 15 Mar '18

15 Mar '18

How late do you think the talk and demo will go? I'm still a few minutes away from leaving work in Billerica, so I probably won't get there 'til after 8. On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Our next wlug meeting will be March 15th, 2018 @7pm. > > The location will be our usual haunt: WPI Mid Century Room Rm 331. > > Topic: LUKS (Linux Unified Key Setup) > LUKS is a system for setting up encrypted disks on linux. I'll give a talk > and a demo. > By all means, if this is something you're actively using, feel free to > chime in with your experiences both positive and negative. > > As usual, snacks and refreshments will be provided and then we'll head off > for burgers or pizza and continue the conversation! > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Reminder: WLUG Meeting Tomorrow (March 15th, 2018) Topic: LUKS
by Tim Keller 15 Mar '18

15 Mar '18

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting tomorrow! Time: 7pm Location: WPI Mid-Century Room (rm 331) Topic: LUKS In light of our talk with Nick last month, I'm going to talk about LUKS (Linux Unified Key System) LUKS is an open on disk encryption standard that can be used to create encrypted volumes. I'm going to talk a bit about LUKS and then do a demo. Afterwards we'll head off for a burger of pizza. As usual refreshments and snacks will be provided. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Wlug Meeting March 15th, 2018
by Tim Keller 11 Mar '18

11 Mar '18

Our next wlug meeting will be March 15th, 2018 @7pm. The location will be our usual haunt: WPI Mid Century Room Rm 331. Topic: LUKS (Linux Unified Key Setup) LUKS is a system for setting up encrypted disks on linux. I'll give a talk and a demo. By all means, if this is something you're actively using, feel free to chime in with your experiences both positive and negative. As usual, snacks and refreshments will be provided and then we'll head off for burgers or pizza and continue the conversation! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Twenty-first century
by Richard Klein 10 Mar '18

10 Mar '18

I did dist-upgrades on my laptop and desktop today and installed snapd on both. I feel so modern!

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Re: [Wlug] Wlug Tonight?
by Chuck Anderson 09 Mar '18

09 Mar '18

On Thu, Mar 08, 2018 at 06:38:05PM -0500, Keith Wright wrote: > The web site says: > > > When: Normally Second Thursdays of every month at 7:00 PM > > (check calendar below for exceptions) > > March 1 was Thursday, so March 8 (today) is the > second one. The calendar below says: > > > Thursday, March 8 7:00pm WLUG Meeting > > I won't be there tonight. I might be there > March 15, if, with your help, God willing, > the snow goes down, and the creek don't rise, > I get my act together. I supposed I could just remove the calendar.

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Re: [Wlug] Wlug Tonight?
by Keith Wright 08 Mar '18

08 Mar '18

Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > There is no Wlug tonight. OK. I forgot to make plans and I am tired. I had a doctor appt. this afternoon followed by a space-out. > I actually misread the calendar and > thought is was next weekm ??? mis-wrote too > My plan is to have Wlug next Thursday. The web site says: > When: Normally Second Thursdays of every month at 7:00 PM > (check calendar below for exceptions) March 1 was Thursday, so March 8 (today) is the second one. The calendar below says: > Thursday, March 8 7:00pm WLUG Meeting I won't be there tonight. I might be there March 15, if, with your help, God willing, the snow goes down, and the creek don't rise, I get my act together. -- Keith

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Re: [Wlug] meeeting tonight?
by Eric Martin 08 Mar '18

08 Mar '18

Northborough is without power. Thank you, -- Eric > On Mar 8, 2018, at 5:21 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 08, 2018 at 12:06:13PM -0500, Chuck Anderson wrote: >> Is there a meeting tonight? > > I guess no one has either power or Internet... > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] Wlug Tonight?
by Chuck Anderson 08 Mar '18

08 Mar '18

Sounds like you are volunteering to give a talk! On Thu, Mar 08, 2018 at 05:50:57PM -0500, thinkbrown(a)gmail.com wrote: > We're clearly well prepared for these meetings. > > On Mar 8, 2018 17:49, "Tim Keller" <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > There is no Wlug tonight. I actually misread the calendar and thought is > > was next weekm My plan is to have Wlug next Thursday. > > > > Thanks, > > Tim. > > > > On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hey Tim, > > > > > > Is WLUG on for tonight? > > > > > > If so, regular time and room? > > > > > > Asking as everything else last night and tonight has been canceled (6 > > thing total). > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Joel

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Re: [Wlug] Wlug Tonight?
by thinkbrown＠gmail.com 08 Mar '18

08 Mar '18

We're clearly well prepared for these meetings. On Mar 8, 2018 17:49, "Tim Keller" <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > There is no Wlug tonight. I actually misread the calendar and thought is > was next weekm My plan is to have Wlug next Thursday. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hey Tim, > > > > Is WLUG on for tonight? > > > > If so, regular time and room? > > > > Asking as everything else last night and tonight has been canceled (6 > thing total). > > > > Thank you, > > > > Joel > > > > On February 20, 2018 12:00:59 PM wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > > > >> Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > >> wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Reminder: Meeting Tomorrow! Feb. 20th, 2018!!! Topic: > >> Encryption! Note the Location!!! (Tim Keller) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 12:58:00 -0500 > >> From: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > >> Subject: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting Tomorrow! Feb. 20th, 2018!!! Topic: > >> Encryption! Note the Location!!! > >> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >> Message-ID: > >> <CA+r3vQgrb57rkCtF1fUbuO7p550o5n8qKBvuajbuLghvX=kcdQ(a)mail.gmail. > com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Hey Gang, > >> > >> We've got a meeting tomorrow! My good friend Nick is going to deep dive > on > >> encryption! > >> > >> Location: Fuller Labs Rm 311 > >> Time: 7pm > >> > >> The speaker for this meeting is my good friend Dr. Nick Howgrave-Graham. > >> He's a cryptographer who has experience in both the making and breaking > >> of encryption systems. This will be a general talk about some commonly > >> used encryption systems, the math around them and how some of these > >> systems have been broken through poor design. If there are some specific > >> encryption algorithm / system that you'd like to deep dive, email the > list, > >> I'll let Nick know and possibly he can focus on that. > >> > >> As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll > head > >> off > >> for a bite to eat. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tim. > >> > >> -- > >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > >> constituents as "consumers". > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/ > 20180219/63e1e19f/attachment-0001.html > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wlug mailing list > >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >> > >> > >> End of Wlug Digest, Vol 172, Issue 4 > >> ************************************ > > > > > > > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Re: [Wlug] meeeting tonight?
by Tim Keller 08 Mar '18

08 Mar '18

This is my screw up... meeting will be next Thursday. By then there might be a place to park in Worcester... Tim. On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Is there a meeting tonight? > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Wlug Tonight?
by Tim Keller 08 Mar '18

08 Mar '18

There is no Wlug tonight. I actually misread the calendar and thought is was next weekm My plan is to have Wlug next Thursday. Thanks, Tim. On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Tim, > > Is WLUG on for tonight? > > If so, regular time and room? > > Asking as everything else last night and tonight has been canceled (6 thing total). > > Thank you, > > Joel > > On February 20, 2018 12:00:59 PM wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > >> Send Wlug mailing list submissions to >> wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Reminder: Meeting Tomorrow! Feb. 20th, 2018!!! Topic: >> Encryption! Note the Location!!! (Tim Keller) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 12:58:00 -0500 >> From: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> >> Subject: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting Tomorrow! Feb. 20th, 2018!!! Topic: >> Encryption! Note the Location!!! >> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> Message-ID: >> <CA+r3vQgrb57rkCtF1fUbuO7p550o5n8qKBvuajbuLghvX=kcdQ(a)mail.gmail.com > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hey Gang, >> >> We've got a meeting tomorrow! My good friend Nick is going to deep dive on >> encryption! >> >> Location: Fuller Labs Rm 311 >> Time: 7pm >> >> The speaker for this meeting is my good friend Dr. Nick Howgrave-Graham. >> He's a cryptographer who has experience in both the making and breaking >> of encryption systems. This will be a general talk about some commonly >> used encryption systems, the math around them and how some of these >> systems have been broken through poor design. If there are some specific >> encryption algorithm / system that you'd like to deep dive, email the list, >> I'll let Nick know and possibly he can focus on that. >> >> As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head >> off >> for a bite to eat. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20180219/63e1e19f/attachmen… >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> End of Wlug Digest, Vol 172, Issue 4 >> ************************************ > > > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] meeeting tonight?
by Chuck Anderson 08 Mar '18

08 Mar '18

On Thu, Mar 08, 2018 at 12:06:13PM -0500, Chuck Anderson wrote: > Is there a meeting tonight? I guess no one has either power or Internet...

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meeeting tonight?
by Chuck Anderson 08 Mar '18

08 Mar '18

Is there a meeting tonight?

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Re: [Wlug] 21.5" Acer Monitor needs work
by E Johnson 05 Mar '18

05 Mar '18

Okay, glad to know that somebody will love the puppy & all. So email me later in the week with some kind of expected ETA here. Weekends are better here anyway, since we have work crew around during the week lately, and things are a little nutsy. PM me for my phone # once you know when. On 04/03/2018, Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob <njkrichevsky(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Yep - don't intend to resell it. Just sounds like a fun project to fixup, > and I could certainly use the monitor (though perhaps not for school...). > > > If that sounds good with you, I'll gladly take it off your hands. > > ________________________________ > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org> on behalf of E > Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 8:02:28 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] 21.5" Acer Monitor needs work > > Zero dollars.

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Re: [Wlug] 21.5" Acer Monitor needs work
by Gelman, Ian S 05 Mar '18

05 Mar '18

…and so continues young Nick’s path towards full-blown G.A.S (Gear Acquisition Syndrome) Sounds like a fun project and congrats on the monitor! -- Ian Gelman isgelman(a)wpi.edu Information Security Office: (508) 831-4800 Worcester Polytechnic Institute www.wpi.edu <http://www.wpi.edu/> PGP: E7F5 E3C7 5278 C452 0E34 8661 D0A5 652D 9A9D 24CD > On Mar 4, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob <njkrichevsky(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > > Yep - don't intend to resell it. Just sounds like a fun project to fixup, and I could certainly use the monitor (though perhaps not for school...). > > If that sounds good with you, I'll gladly take it off your hands. > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org> <wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org>> on behalf of E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com <mailto:iris.gates@gmail.com>> > Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 8:02:28 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] 21.5" Acer Monitor needs work > > Zero dollars. > > I just know these can be fixed and I want it to go to a good home, to > someone who needs it. To someone whose family needs it, or to a > youngster the person knows, who needs it for school. > > Not for fixit-then-resale. > > On 04/03/2018, Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob <njkrichevsky(a)wpi.edu <mailto:njkrichevsky@wpi.edu>> wrote: > > Sounds like a fun time - how much are you looking for it? I'm in New York > > for the next week but I'm planning on coming back this weekend. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug <http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug <http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug>

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Re: [Wlug] 21.5" Acer Monitor needs work
by Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob 05 Mar '18

05 Mar '18

Yep - don't intend to resell it. Just sounds like a fun project to fixup, and I could certainly use the monitor (though perhaps not for school...). If that sounds good with you, I'll gladly take it off your hands. ________________________________ From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org> on behalf of E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 8:02:28 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] 21.5" Acer Monitor needs work Zero dollars. I just know these can be fixed and I want it to go to a good home, to someone who needs it. To someone whose family needs it, or to a youngster the person knows, who needs it for school. Not for fixit-then-resale. On 04/03/2018, Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob <njkrichevsky(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Sounds like a fun time - how much are you looking for it? I'm in New York > for the next week but I'm planning on coming back this weekend. > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] 21.5" Acer Monitor needs work
by E Johnson 05 Mar '18

05 Mar '18

Zero dollars. I just know these can be fixed and I want it to go to a good home, to someone who needs it. To someone whose family needs it, or to a youngster the person knows, who needs it for school. Not for fixit-then-resale. On 04/03/2018, Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob <njkrichevsky(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Sounds like a fun time - how much are you looking for it? I'm in New York > for the next week but I'm planning on coming back this weekend. >

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Re: [Wlug] 21.5" Acer Monitor needs work
by Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob 05 Mar '18

05 Mar '18

Sounds like a fun time - how much are you looking for it? I'm in New York for the next week but I'm planning on coming back this weekend. ________________________________ From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org> on behalf of E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 7:23:38 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] 21.5" Acer Monitor needs work I have another dead monitor to give away. This is the Acer S220HQL, that was notorious several years ago for blowing bad capacitors. This is a 21.5" flatscreen, matte finish screen (not shiny-glarey), with both DVI and VGA inputs. This was working rock-solid until Friday night when it was sleeping, flashed for a second, and then black-screened. Crisp, sharp display always. Used daily but lightly (for second computer) since I got my newer monitor a few years ago, but almost always on, just sleeping most of the time. These are still running in the $90-100 range on the bigger online retailers. You would need a soldering iron, and to open it up, find which capacitors are bad (usually they look kind of distorted or bulging), and then purchase and replace these. This one lasted several years --I think about 3 years longer than its twin, which I gave away several years ago after its capacitors blew. If you want it, I would appreciate it if you aren't planning to Ebay it or whatever, but use it personally or else give it to a youngester who needs it for school. I am conveniently located near Elm Park in Worcester, not far from WPI. Liz J

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21.5" Acer Monitor needs work
by E Johnson 05 Mar '18

05 Mar '18

I have another dead monitor to give away. This is the Acer S220HQL, that was notorious several years ago for blowing bad capacitors. This is a 21.5" flatscreen, matte finish screen (not shiny-glarey), with both DVI and VGA inputs. This was working rock-solid until Friday night when it was sleeping, flashed for a second, and then black-screened. Crisp, sharp display always. Used daily but lightly (for second computer) since I got my newer monitor a few years ago, but almost always on, just sleeping most of the time. These are still running in the $90-100 range on the bigger online retailers. You would need a soldering iron, and to open it up, find which capacitors are bad (usually they look kind of distorted or bulging), and then purchase and replace these. This one lasted several years --I think about 3 years longer than its twin, which I gave away several years ago after its capacitors blew. If you want it, I would appreciate it if you aren't planning to Ebay it or whatever, but use it personally or else give it to a youngester who needs it for school. I am conveniently located near Elm Park in Worcester, not far from WPI. Liz J

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ROCA site and Key testing
by Tim Keller 21 Feb '18

21 Feb '18

Eric Martin forwarded me some info about the ROCA stuff from last night. It was pretty cool to see Nick do his thing on the whiteboard... I'd like to claim I followed it all, but that would be a lie! Here's the link to the ROCA stuff: https://dan.enigmabridge.com/roca-critical-vulnerability-in-infineon-securi… The other conversation that happened last night surrounded very weak public keys. https://keytester.cryptosense.com Lets you test your keys to see if they're easily factored. Enjoy! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting Tomorrow! Feb. 20th, 2018!!! Topic: Encryption! Note the Location!!!
by Richard Klein 21 Feb '18

21 Feb '18

Darnit! I read this and then fixed 'Wednesday' in my mind. On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 12:58 PM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > We've got a meeting tomorrow! My good friend Nick is going to deep dive on > encryption! > > Location: Fuller Labs Rm 311 > Time: 7pm > > The speaker for this meeting is my good friend Dr. Nick Howgrave-Graham. > He's a cryptographer who has experience in both the making and breaking > of encryption systems. This will be a general talk about some commonly > used encryption systems, the math around them and how some of these > systems have been broken through poor design. If there are some specific > encryption algorithm / system that you'd like to deep dive, email the > list, > I'll let Nick know and possibly he can focus on that. > > As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll > head off > for a bite to eat. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Reminder: Meeting Tomorrow! Feb. 20th, 2018!!! Topic: Encryption! Note the Location!!!
by Tim Keller 19 Feb '18

19 Feb '18

Hey Gang, We've got a meeting tomorrow! My good friend Nick is going to deep dive on encryption! Location: Fuller Labs Rm 311 Time: 7pm The speaker for this meeting is my good friend Dr. Nick Howgrave-Graham. He's a cryptographer who has experience in both the making and breaking of encryption systems. This will be a general talk about some commonly used encryption systems, the math around them and how some of these systems have been broken through poor design. If there are some specific encryption algorithm / system that you'd like to deep dive, email the list, I'll let Nick know and possibly he can focus on that. As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for a bite to eat. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Reminder! Meeting Feb. 20th 2018 @7pm. Fuller Labs Rm 311. Topic: Cryptography!
by Tim Keller 12 Feb '18

12 Feb '18

This month we're going to be doing something different! Time & Date: 7PM, February 20th, 2018 Location: WPI Fuller Labs Rm 311 Topic: Cryptography! The speaker for this meeting is my good friend Dr. Nick Howgrave-Graham. He's a cryptographer who has experience in both the making and breaking of encryption systems. This will be a general talk about some commonly used encryption systems, the math around them and how some of these systems have been broken through poor design. If there are some specific encryption algorithm / system that you'd like to deep dive, email the list, I'll let Nick know and possibly he can focus on that. As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for a bite to eat. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Next WLUG Meeting Feb. 20th! Topic: Cryptography! NOTE! DATE / LOCATION CHANGE!
by Tim Keller 07 Feb '18

07 Feb '18

This month we're going to be doing something different! Time & Date: 7PM, February 20th, 2018 Location: WPI Fuller Labs Rm 331 Topic: Cryptography! The speaker for this meeting is my good friend Dr. Nick Howgrave-Graham. He's a cryptographer who has experience in both the making and breaking of encryption systems. This will be a general talk about some commonly used encryption systems, the math around them and how some of these systems have been broken through poor design. If there are some specific encryption algorithm / system that you'd like to deep dive, email the list, I'll let Nick know and possibly he can focus on that. As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for a bite to eat. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Next Meeting Date
by Tim Keller 07 Feb '18

07 Feb '18

The next meeting is going to be on the 20th. I've got an email lined up to send... I'll finish it and get it out... Thanks, Tim. On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 9:24 AM, THE HAMMER <hammerron(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > I know that there was talk of possibly changing the WLUG meeting date from > Thursday February 8th to Tuesday February 20th, but I did not hear if this > change is confirmed or not. Feb 8th is still listed on the google > calendar/WLUG site. > > > So wondering which day will the new meeting be? > > > -Ron > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Next Meeting Date
by THE HAMMER 07 Feb '18

07 Feb '18

I know that there was talk of possibly changing the WLUG meeting date from Thursday February 8th to Tuesday February 20th, but I did not hear if this change is confirmed or not. Feb 8th is still listed on the google calendar/WLUG site. So wondering which day will the new meeting be? -Ron

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Re: [Wlug] Next meeting day question...
by Chuck Anderson 30 Jan '18

30 Jan '18

The calendar on the website is a Google Calendar. Tim, Frank, and myself have access to change the calendar from any Google calendar client, including google.com/calendar. I recommend Jorte on Android, but the built-in Google calendar on Android should work fine as well. Ideally, whomever reserves a room and/or announces a meeting date/time/topic would update the calendar at the same time. Just change "only this event" so as to not mess up the default recurring schedule. The calendar is public so anyone can subscribe to it so it shows up on their own personal device(s): https://calendar.google.com/calendar?cid=bzVvc3E4NTBsazYxZThoMW4xbzFybGRiNz… Tuesday Feb 20th works for me. On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:07:36AM -0500, thinkbrown(a)gmail.com wrote: > I'm fine with that. If we're going to do it, someone should update the > website for that specific day. > > On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 5:07 PM, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> > wrote: > > > It looks like the 20th will work for me. > > > > On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 4:56 PM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Hey Gang, > >> > >> I got talking to my buddy Nick who I'd like to have come and do a talk > >> about cryptography. Unfortunately, he can't make it Thursday. Would Tuesday > >> the 20th work for everybody? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tim.

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Re: [Wlug] Next meeting day question...
by thinkbrown＠gmail.com 30 Jan '18

30 Jan '18

I'm fine with that. If we're going to do it, someone should update the website for that specific day. On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 5:07 PM, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > It looks like the 20th will work for me. > > On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 4:56 PM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hey Gang, >> >> I got talking to my buddy Nick who I'd like to have come and do a talk >> about cryptography. Unfortunately, he can't make it Thursday. Would Tuesday >> the 20th work for everybody? >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Re: [Wlug] Next meeting day question...
by Richard Klein 29 Jan '18

29 Jan '18

It looks like the 20th will work for me. On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 4:56 PM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > I got talking to my buddy Nick who I'd like to have come and do a talk > about cryptography. Unfortunately, he can't make it Thursday. Would Tuesday > the 20th work for everybody? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Next meeting day question...
by Tim Keller 29 Jan '18

29 Jan '18

Hey Gang, I got talking to my buddy Nick who I'd like to have come and do a talk about cryptography. Unfortunately, he can't make it Thursday. Would Tuesday the 20th work for everybody? Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Sr Software Engineer - C++, Linux contract opening in MA
by John Spencer 19 Jan '18

19 Jan '18

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Reminder: WLUG Meeting Tomorrow Jan 18th, 2018 Topic: Spectre and Meltdown!
by Tim Keller 18 Jan '18

18 Jan '18

We've got a meeting this week! Short Topic: Spectre and Meltdown. What it is, what it does, etc. I figure this is pretty topical as many of us are starting to wrap our heads around the performance implications as well as the tackling the task of patching many systems. Location: Campus Center, Mid Century Rm 331 Time: 7pm Snacks and Refreshments will be provided. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Meeting This Week! Jan 18th 2018!
by Tim Keller 16 Jan '18

16 Jan '18

We've got a meeting this week! Short Topic: Spectre and Meltdown. What it is, what it does, etc. I figure this is pretty topical as many of us are starting to wrap our heads around the performance implications as well as the tackling the task of patching many systems. Location: Campus Center, Mid Century Rm 331 Time: 7pm Snacks and Refreshments will be provided. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Spectre and Meltdown.
by thinkbrown＠gmail.com 10 Jan '18

10 Jan '18

The xkcd comic is basically how I explain it to my parents :P Not the most useful from a technical standpoint though. Logan On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:18 AM, Higgins, Benjamin J <bjhiggins(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Really – I found XKCD really nailed it > > https://xkcd.com/1938/ > > > > > > *From:* wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] *On > Behalf Of *thinkbrown(a)gmail.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 10, 2018 10:14 AM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Wlug] Spectre and Meltdown. > > > > I found the Raspberry Pi Foundation's explanation the most useful: > https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/why-raspberry-pi-isnt-vulnerable- > to-spectre-or-meltdown/ > > > > I found some of the non-computer based metaphors a little lacking - they > didn't really fit my mental model of the computer. > > The Raspberry Pi article explains it in a way that people familiar with > basic Python (or almost any procedural language) will be familiar with. > > > > Logan > > > > On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 2:13 PM, Sweetser, Frank E <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > This one is my own personal favorite out of what I've seen so far: > > > > https://ds9a.nl/articles/posts/spectre-meltdown/ > > > > Frank Sweetser > Director of Network Operations > Worcester Polytechnic Institute > "For every problem, there is a solution that is simple, elegant, and > wrong." - HL Mencken > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org> on behalf > of Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 9, 2018 12:27 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users Group > *Subject:* [Wlug] Spectre and Meltdown. > > > > There seems to be a HUGE amount of woo regarding spectre and meltdown. > This *seems* to me to be the most concise explanation I've heard so far. > > > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/meltdown-and- > spectre-heres-what-intel-apple-microsoft-others-are-doing-about-it/ > > > > Feel free to argue that it's not. > > > > Thanks, > > Tim. > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Re: [Wlug] Spectre and Meltdown.
by Higgins, Benjamin J 10 Jan '18

10 Jan '18

Really – I found XKCD really nailed it https://xkcd.com/1938/ From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of thinkbrown(a)gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 10:14 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Spectre and Meltdown. I found the Raspberry Pi Foundation's explanation the most useful: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/why-raspberry-pi-isnt-vulnerable-to-spectr… I found some of the non-computer based metaphors a little lacking - they didn't really fit my mental model of the computer. The Raspberry Pi article explains it in a way that people familiar with basic Python (or almost any procedural language) will be familiar with. Logan On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 2:13 PM, Sweetser, Frank E <fs(a)wpi.edu<mailto:fs@wpi.edu>> wrote: This one is my own personal favorite out of what I've seen so far: https://ds9a.nl/articles/posts/spectre-meltdown/ Frank Sweetser Director of Network Operations Worcester Polytechnic Institute "For every problem, there is a solution that is simple, elegant, and wrong." - HL Mencken ________________________________ From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org<mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org> <wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org<mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org>> on behalf of Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com<mailto:turbofx@gmail.com>> Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 12:27 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] Spectre and Meltdown. There seems to be a HUGE amount of woo regarding spectre and meltdown. This *seems* to me to be the most concise explanation I've heard so far. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/meltdown-and-spectre-heres-what-int… Feel free to argue that it's not. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org<mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] Spectre and Meltdown.
by thinkbrown＠gmail.com 10 Jan '18

10 Jan '18

I found the Raspberry Pi Foundation's explanation the most useful: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/why-raspberry-pi-isnt-vulnerable-to-spectr… I found some of the non-computer based metaphors a little lacking - they didn't really fit my mental model of the computer. The Raspberry Pi article explains it in a way that people familiar with basic Python (or almost any procedural language) will be familiar with. Logan On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 2:13 PM, Sweetser, Frank E <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > This one is my own personal favorite out of what I've seen so far: > > > https://ds9a.nl/articles/posts/spectre-meltdown/ > > > Frank Sweetser > Director of Network Operations > Worcester Polytechnic Institute > "For every problem, there is a solution that is simple, elegant, and > wrong." - HL Mencken > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org> on behalf > of Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 9, 2018 12:27 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users Group > *Subject:* [Wlug] Spectre and Meltdown. > > There seems to be a HUGE amount of woo regarding spectre and meltdown. > This *seems* to me to be the most concise explanation I've heard so far. > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/meltdown-and- > spectre-heres-what-intel-apple-microsoft-others-are-doing-about-it/ > > Feel free to argue that it's not. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Re: [Wlug] Spectre and Meltdown.
by Sweetser, Frank E 09 Jan '18

09 Jan '18

This one is my own personal favorite out of what I've seen so far: https://ds9a.nl/articles/posts/spectre-meltdown/ Frank Sweetser Director of Network Operations Worcester Polytechnic Institute "For every problem, there is a solution that is simple, elegant, and wrong." - HL Mencken ________________________________ From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org> on behalf of Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 12:27 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] Spectre and Meltdown. There seems to be a HUGE amount of woo regarding spectre and meltdown. This *seems* to me to be the most concise explanation I've heard so far. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/meltdown-and-spectre-heres-what-int… Feel free to argue that it's not. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Spectre and Meltdown.
by Tim Keller 09 Jan '18

09 Jan '18

There seems to be a HUGE amount of woo regarding spectre and meltdown. This *seems* to me to be the most concise explanation I've heard so far. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/meltdown-and-spectre-heres-what-int… Feel free to argue that it's not. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Meeting Moved to Next Thursday (1 / 18 / 2018)
by Tim Keller 08 Jan '18

08 Jan '18

Hey Gang, We *normally* would have a meeting this week, but I've decided to move it to next Thursday in light of everybody having a busy holiday and getting back into the swing of things. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Fusion power.
by Tim Keller 15 Dec '17

15 Dec '17

Last night we got on a tangent and got talking about Fusion power. I mentioned Isaac Arthur's awesome channel. Here's his youtube about Fusion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pmgr6FtYcY Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Reminder! WLUG Meeting tonight!!!
by Tim Keller 14 Dec '17

14 Dec '17

Hey Gang, We've got a WLUG meeting tonight! Time: 7pm Location: WPI Student Center Rm 128 (Taylor Rm) Topic: I can talk about NGINX for a couple of minutes of people are interested. Then I thought I'd open up the floor for a general conversation and we can talk about what we'd like to do for topics and speakers for next year. As usual I'll have snacks and refreshments and we'll head down to Tech or the Boyton for dinner and to continue the conversation. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Reminder! WLUG Meeting Dec 14th 2017! NOTE! Different Change!!!
by Tim Keller 13 Dec '17

13 Dec '17

Yup! Note, the room change for this meeting! On Tuesday, December 12, 2017, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > I haven't been in a while. We start at 7, right? > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hey Gang, >> Just a reminder we've got a meeting on the 14th! >> Topic: I think this will be an open topic meeting, though if there's something people want to talk about I'm game. We could talk about what we want to do with WLUG next year! >> Location: Taylor Room Campus Center Rm 128 >> Snacks and refreshments will be provided. Afterwards we'll head down to Tech Pizza or the Boyton. >> Later, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Reminder! WLUG Meeting Dec 14th 2017! NOTE! Different Change!!!
by Richard Klein 12 Dec '17

12 Dec '17

I haven't been in a while. We start at 7, right? On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > Just a reminder we've got a meeting on the 14th! > > Topic: I think this will be an open topic meeting, though if there's > something people want to talk about I'm game. We could talk about what we > want to do with WLUG next year! > > Location: Taylor Room Campus Center Rm 128 > > Snacks and refreshments will be provided. Afterwards we'll head down to > Tech Pizza or the Boyton. > > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Reminder! WLUG Meeting Dec 14th 2017! NOTE! Different Change!!!
by Tim Keller 12 Dec '17

12 Dec '17

Hey Gang, Just a reminder we've got a meeting on the 14th! Topic: I think this will be an open topic meeting, though if there's something people want to talk about I'm game. We could talk about what we want to do with WLUG next year! Location: Taylor Room Campus Center Rm 128 Snacks and refreshments will be provided. Afterwards we'll head down to Tech Pizza or the Boyton. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Next WLUG meeting Dec. 14th 2017 Topic: TBD
by Tim Keller 01 Dec '17

01 Dec '17

Hey Gang, What would people like to talk about this month? I'd love some ideas. Now that we've all been priced out of bitcoin, a conversation about mining rigs for other cryto currencies might be interesting. I recently setup a nginx SSL gateway so I could talk about that. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] HOWTO create ISO that is both BIOS and UEFI bootable
by John Platt 11 Nov '17

11 Nov '17

This information might help: http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Isohybrid On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 8:28 PM, Andy Stewart <kb1oiq(a)mval.net> wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > I've noticed that the Ubuntu 16.04 ISO is bootable on systems with BIOS > as well as UEFI. From scratch, I've remastered Ubuntu, but my ISO file > is only bootable via BIOS. I'd like to remedy that situation by > figuring out what magic is needed so that my ISO file can be booted > either way. > > I have a chroot directory in which my files live. I have scripts that > convert all of that into an ISO file. My guess is that I need a > new/modified incantation of mkisofs plus some additional files for UEFI. > > Despite a lot of searching, I've not yet found the info that I need. > > If you have definitive information, please let me know. > > Thanks! > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) > Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group > Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group > President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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HOWTO create ISO that is both BIOS and UEFI bootable
by Andy Stewart 11 Nov '17

11 Nov '17

Hi everybody, I've noticed that the Ubuntu 16.04 ISO is bootable on systems with BIOS as well as UEFI. From scratch, I've remastered Ubuntu, but my ISO file is only bootable via BIOS. I'd like to remedy that situation by figuring out what magic is needed so that my ISO file can be booted either way. I have a chroot directory in which my files live. I have scripts that convert all of that into an ISO file. My guess is that I need a new/modified incantation of mkisofs plus some additional files for UEFI. Despite a lot of searching, I've not yet found the info that I need. If you have definitive information, please let me know. Thanks! Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

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by John Spencer 09 Nov '17

09 Nov '17

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Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting Nov. 9th 2017: Location: WPI Student Center Rm 331
by Robert Schwein 09 Nov '17

09 Nov '17

Stuck in Ohio. Darn. I would have liked to have heard about that 3D printer/software. Bob On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > We've got a meeting, tomorrow night. > > Location: WPI Mid Century Rm 331. > Time: 7pm > Subject: 3d Printing FOSS software. > > I'll be doing a quick talk about software that I've been using to > interface with my 3d printer. > I *might* bring the printer... I'm currently having some electrical issues > with it... but in either case I can give a quick demo of FreeCAD and Cura. > > As usual, there will be snacks and refreshments and then we'll head down > to Tech for pizza. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Reminder: Meeting Nov. 9th 2017: Location: WPI Student Center Rm 331
by Tim Keller 09 Nov '17

09 Nov '17

Hey Gang, We've got a meeting, tomorrow night. Location: WPI Mid Century Rm 331. Time: 7pm Subject: 3d Printing FOSS software. I'll be doing a quick talk about software that I've been using to interface with my 3d printer. I *might* bring the printer... I'm currently having some electrical issues with it... but in either case I can give a quick demo of FreeCAD and Cura. As usual, there will be snacks and refreshments and then we'll head down to Tech for pizza. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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WLUG meeting Nov. 9th 2017! Location: WPI Mid Century Room 331
by Tim Keller 06 Nov '17

06 Nov '17

Hey Gang, Sorry for the short notice! We've got a meeting on Thursday! Topic: We'll, I'm in the midst of building a 3d printer! I *might* have it done for Thursday! I've done a lot of talking lately, but if people are interested, I've managed "figure" out freecad for the most part. Is this something people are interested in or does someone else have something they'd like to talk about. Location: WPI Mid-Century Room 331 As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Major WPA2 Vulnerability
by Chuck Anderson 18 Oct '17

18 Oct '17

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 02:29:56PM -0400, Keith Wright wrote: > This is very embarrassing for the authors of the > standard, but is it really a big problem? Several > meetings ago, somebody brought a device to the > WLUG meeting that, as I understood it, pretends > to be a wireless router and interposes itself > into any nearby connection. If things like that > exist, why care about encryption vulnerability? Because with properly configured wireless and patched clients, you can be sure you are connecting to the trusted network, not a Man-in-the-Middle. It requires mutual authentication, which happens for example on the WPI wireless network by using EAP-TLS certificates. The client is supposed to verify the server's certificate and the server of course verifies the client's certificate. Unfortunately, most networks don't use EAP but rather use Pre-Shared Keys (WPA2-PSK). > If you need to patch both sides to be secure, > then you are not secure in the coffee shop no > matter what you do. In any case, if you are > using the wireless to connect to a web site > or "cloud" server, then the wireless connection > is the least of your insecurities. In the strictest sense this is true, but as far as the KRACK attack goes, the wireless AP side is much less likely to be a problem, because the vulnerabilities are in parts of the standards that are not often used (802.11r "Fast Roaming" for example). The client-side vulnerabilities, especially in Linux/Android, are much more serious. On Linux, the client can be tricked into using a null session key. However, in a coffee shop KRACK is moot because most coffee shops don't use encryption at all to begin with. In any case, WPI's recommendation to use the VPN if you are not sure of your device's or the network's immunity to KRACK is sound, because even if there was a M-i-t-M, they still would not be able to decrypt the VPN traffic. Security is helpful in layers. Belt-and-suspenders.

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Re: [Wlug] Major WPA2 Vulnerability
by Keith Wright 18 Oct '17

18 Oct '17

"Sweetser, Frank E" <fs(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > Nothing so simple, unfortunately. This class of vulnerability is > actually a collection of 10 CVEs, which encompass both the AP side and > client side. If you've patched the AP side, for example, the attacker > may still be able to compromise the set of session keys on the client > side, and decrypt all of the client sent traffic. > You've got to patch both sides to be fully secure. You've got to avoid computers to be fully secure. But let's not get that paranoid. I pulled Cat 5 cable through the house years ago and never use wireless, but WPI has its hair on fire, and sent Professor Diane email (through Microsoft cloud service) to install "upgrades" immediately. I told her to at least wait until she has her computer back in the office and plugged into WPI cable. I have a friend who has been without a computer for a month or two because he tried to upgrade firmware and could not re-boot. This is very embarrassing for the authors of the standard, but is it really a big problem? Several meetings ago, somebody brought a device to the WLUG meeting that, as I understood it, pretends to be a wireless router and interposes itself into any nearby connection. If things like that exist, why care about encryption vulnerability? If you need to patch both sides to be secure, then you are not secure in the coffee shop no matter what you do. In any case, if you are using the wireless to connect to a web site or "cloud" server, then the wireless connection is the least of your insecurities. -- Keith

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Re: [Wlug] Major WPA2 Vulnerability
by Sweetser, Frank E 16 Oct '17

16 Oct '17

Nothing so simple, unfortunately. This class of vulnerability is actually a collection of 10 CVEs, which encompass both the AP side and client side. If you've patched the AP side, for example, the attacker may still be able to compromise the set of session keys on the client side, and decrypt all of the client sent traffic. You've got to patch both sides to be fully secure. """ The direction in which packets can be decrypted (and possibly forged) depends on the handshake being attacked. Simplified, when attacking the 4-way handshake, we can decrypt (and forge) packets sent by the client. When attacking the Fast BSS Transition (FT) handshake, we can decrypt (and forge) packets sent towards the client. Finally, most of our attacks also allow the replay of unicast, broadcast, and multicast frames. For further details, see Section 6 of our research paper<https://www.krackattacks.com/#paper>. """ Frank Sweetser Director of Network Operations Worcester Polytechnic Institute "For every problem, there is a solution that is simple, elegant, and wrong." - HL Mencken ________________________________ From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org> on behalf of Theo Van Dinter <felicity(a)kluge.net> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 3:30 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Major WPA2 Vulnerability fwiw, my understanding is that the vulnerability is on the client side. therefore, I'm not sure what patches would get applied to an access point, though presumably if you use bridging (and maybe extension?) functionality then maybe there's an issue there. iow, I think patching access points isn't necessary or at least is a low priority if you're not using a feature that turns the device into a client. """ What if there are no security updates for my router? Our main attack is against the 4-way handshake, and does not exploit access points, but instead targets clients. So it might be that your router does not require security updates. We strongly advise you to contact your vendor for more details. In general though, you can try to mitigate attacks against routers and access points by disabling client functionality (which is for example used in repeater modes) and disabling 802.11r (fast roaming). For ordinary home users, your priority should be updating clients such as laptops and smartphones. """ On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Michael C Voorhis <mvoorhis(a)cs.wpi.edu<mailto:mvoorhis@cs.wpi.edu>> wrote: Chuck Anderson writes: > Because none of Fedora's updates aren't actually released yet. They > are built and undergoing pushing/testing now, but being a public > distro, anyone can get them if they know where to look: Ubuntu released a bunch of WPA-related patches a little after noontime today, it appears. John Stoffel: > I'm using DD-WRT on my APs at home, but god do the web pages and > forums suck for actually figuring out what version to run and > whether it's patched or not. Sigh... Ditto for OpenWRT, it appears the project is still alive, but you'd never know, looking at their website. I may switch to LEDE, which confusingly appears to be a fork of OpenWRT which is trying to merge back with OpenWRT....? --MCV. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org<mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] Major WPA2 Vulnerability
by Theo Van Dinter 16 Oct '17

16 Oct '17

fwiw, my understanding is that the vulnerability is on the client side. therefore, I'm not sure what patches would get applied to an access point, though presumably if you use bridging (and maybe extension?) functionality then maybe there's an issue there. iow, I think patching access points isn't necessary or at least is a low priority if you're not using a feature that turns the device into a client. """ What if there are no security updates for my router? Our main attack is against the 4-way handshake, and does not exploit access points, but instead targets clients. So it might be that your router does not require security updates. We strongly advise you to contact your vendor for more details. In general though, you can try to mitigate attacks against routers and access points by disabling client functionality (which is for example used in repeater modes) and disabling 802.11r (fast roaming). For ordinary home users, your priority should be updating clients such as laptops and smartphones. """ On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Michael C Voorhis <mvoorhis(a)cs.wpi.edu> wrote: > Chuck Anderson writes: > > Because none of Fedora's updates aren't actually released yet. They > > are built and undergoing pushing/testing now, but being a public > > distro, anyone can get them if they know where to look: > > Ubuntu released a bunch of WPA-related patches a little after noontime > today, it appears. > > John Stoffel: > > I'm using DD-WRT on my APs at home, but god do the web pages and > > forums suck for actually figuring out what version to run and > > whether it's patched or not. Sigh... > > Ditto for OpenWRT, it appears the project is still alive, but you'd > never know, looking at their website. I may switch to LEDE, which > confusingly appears to be a fork of OpenWRT which is trying to merge > back with OpenWRT....? > > --MCV. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Re: [Wlug] Major WPA2 Vulnerability
by thinkbrown＠gmail.com 16 Oct '17

16 Oct '17

wpa_supplicant got an update pushed to the Arch repos at around 11AM too (if anybody else here uses Arch) On Oct 16, 2017 15:23, "Michael C Voorhis" <mvoorhis(a)cs.wpi.edu> wrote: Chuck Anderson writes: > Because none of Fedora's updates aren't actually released yet. They > are built and undergoing pushing/testing now, but being a public > distro, anyone can get them if they know where to look: Ubuntu released a bunch of WPA-related patches a little after noontime today, it appears. John Stoffel: > I'm using DD-WRT on my APs at home, but god do the web pages and > forums suck for actually figuring out what version to run and > whether it's patched or not. Sigh... Ditto for OpenWRT, it appears the project is still alive, but you'd never know, looking at their website. I may switch to LEDE, which confusingly appears to be a fork of OpenWRT which is trying to merge back with OpenWRT....? --MCV. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] Major WPA2 Vulnerability
by Chuck Anderson 16 Oct '17

16 Oct '17

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 03:21:29PM -0400, Michael C Voorhis wrote: > Chuck Anderson writes: > > Because none of Fedora's updates aren't actually released yet. They > > are built and undergoing pushing/testing now, but being a public > > distro, anyone can get them if they know where to look: > > Ubuntu released a bunch of WPA-related patches a little after noontime > today, it appears. > > John Stoffel: > > I'm using DD-WRT on my APs at home, but god do the web pages and > > forums suck for actually figuring out what version to run and > > whether it's patched or not. Sigh... > > Ditto for OpenWRT, it appears the project is still alive, but you'd > never know, looking at their website. I may switch to LEDE, which > confusingly appears to be a fork of OpenWRT which is trying to merge > back with OpenWRT....? LEDE does a bunch of faster-paced development with the goal of having their work eventually merged back into OpenWRT. They often experiment with different ideas/features.

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Re: [Wlug] Major WPA2 Vulnerability
by Michael C Voorhis 16 Oct '17

16 Oct '17

Chuck Anderson writes: > Because none of Fedora's updates aren't actually released yet. They > are built and undergoing pushing/testing now, but being a public > distro, anyone can get them if they know where to look: Ubuntu released a bunch of WPA-related patches a little after noontime today, it appears. John Stoffel: > I'm using DD-WRT on my APs at home, but god do the web pages and > forums suck for actually figuring out what version to run and > whether it's patched or not. Sigh... Ditto for OpenWRT, it appears the project is still alive, but you'd never know, looking at their website. I may switch to LEDE, which confusingly appears to be a fork of OpenWRT which is trying to merge back with OpenWRT....? --MCV.

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Re: [Wlug] Major WPA2 Vulnerability
by Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob 16 Oct '17

16 Oct '17

Looks like they were just pushed to stable about 30 minutes ago. I don't have the update yet but I'm sure it's a matter of time. https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2017-60bfb576b7 Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org> on behalf of Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 2:11:05 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Major WPA2 Vulnerability Because none of Fedora's updates aren't actually released yet. They are built and undergoing pushing/testing now, but being a public distro, anyone can get them if they know where to look: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=krack&list_id=7995606 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/?packages=wpa_supplicant https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2017-60bfb576b7 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2017-12e76e8364 https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=717 On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:06:34PM -0400, Eric Martin wrote: > Here's a comprehensive write up with the latest fixes, and it's getting > updated regularly: > > https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/list-of-firmware-and-driver-… > > I'm not sure how Fedora can have an update and also not have released any > info... > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hey Gang, > > > > If you haven't heard already, it appears someone has found a major flaw in > > WPA2! > > > > https://www.krackattacks.com/ > > > > Hopefully patches should be forth coming! > > > > Later, > > Tim. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] Major WPA2 Vulnerability
by Chuck Anderson 16 Oct '17

16 Oct '17

Because none of Fedora's updates aren't actually released yet. They are built and undergoing pushing/testing now, but being a public distro, anyone can get them if they know where to look: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=krack&list_id=7995606 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/?packages=wpa_supplicant https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2017-60bfb576b7 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2017-12e76e8364 https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=717 On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:06:34PM -0400, Eric Martin wrote: > Here's a comprehensive write up with the latest fixes, and it's getting > updated regularly: > > https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/list-of-firmware-and-driver-… > > I'm not sure how Fedora can have an update and also not have released any > info... > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hey Gang, > > > > If you haven't heard already, it appears someone has found a major flaw in > > WPA2! > > > > https://www.krackattacks.com/ > > > > Hopefully patches should be forth coming! > > > > Later, > > Tim.

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Re: [Wlug] Major WPA2 Vulnerability
by John Stoffel 16 Oct '17

16 Oct '17

>>>>> "Eric" == Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> writes: Eric> Aruba posted a really good write up as well as patches, and I just updated iOS Eric> on my phone though I haven’t seen the typical security email from Apple. Don’t Eric> forget, upgrade the client side as well! I'm using DD-WRT on my APs at home, but god do the web pages and forums suck for actually figuring out what version to run and whether it's patched or not. Sigh...

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Re: [Wlug] Major WPA2 Vulnerability
by Eric Martin 16 Oct '17

16 Oct '17

Here's a comprehensive write up with the latest fixes, and it's getting updated regularly: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/list-of-firmware-and-driver-… I'm not sure how Fedora can have an update and also not have released any info... On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > If you haven't heard already, it appears someone has found a major flaw in > WPA2! > > https://www.krackattacks.com/ > > Hopefully patches should be forth coming! > > Later, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- Eric Martin

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Re: [Wlug] Major WPA2 Vulnerability
by Eric Martin 16 Oct '17

16 Oct '17

Aruba posted a really good write up as well as patches, and I just updated iOS on my phone though I haven’t seen the typical security email from Apple. Don’t forget, upgrade the client side as well! Thank you, -- Eric > On Oct 16, 2017, at 9:42 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hey Gang, > > If you haven't heard already, it appears someone has found a major flaw in WPA2! > > https://www.krackattacks.com/ > > Hopefully patches should be forth coming! > > Later, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Major WPA2 Vulnerability
by Tim Keller 16 Oct '17

16 Oct '17

Hey Gang, If you haven't heard already, it appears someone has found a major flaw in WPA2! https://www.krackattacks.com/ Hopefully patches should be forth coming! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Reminder: Meeting Oct 12th 2017 @7pm Topic: Ansible
by Tim Keller 11 Oct '17

11 Oct '17

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting on Thursday! Location: WPI Student Center Mid Century Room (rm 331) I'm going to do a quick talk on "Ansible". Ansible is a tool that lets you script a complex set of tasks into a playbook that you can then run 1 machine or a million. Snacks and refreshments will be provided and then we'll head off for pizza at tech to continue the conversation. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] 3d printing question.
by John Stoffel 09 Oct '17

09 Oct '17

I've heard good things about the monoprice one they have. I've been looking at getting a cheap (<$300) engraving machine to learn cad/cam and do some engraving for my scout troop. I figure it's more useful than an eggbot kit in alot of ways.

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Re: [Wlug] 3d printing question.
by Tim Keller 09 Oct '17

09 Oct '17

The "Authorization" is actually from my wife. This is going to be a personal printer to go in my workshop. I'm not afraid of cryptic instructions (I work with Red Hat software!). However, I have a number of expensive hobbies... so I am a bit cost sensitive. Thanks, Tim. On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Gelman, Ian S <isgelman(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Hi Tim, > > The Anet A8 and TEVO tarantula are i3 derivatives, what with the hardware > being open source. Each of these can be found on Amazon. The assembly > guides are pretty cryptic though, with lots of skipped steps and a lack of > images. > > However, If Ab Initio can afford the $600, I would seriously recommend > getting Josef Prusa's original version, which he sells on his website. > > https://shop.prusa3d.com/en/3d-printers/59-original-prusa- > i3-mk2-kit.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4q3brfnj1gIVAQlpCh > 0hhgs4EAQYASABEgI18fD_BwE > > The manuals are amazing, with an active community of people making > revisions on Github. > > Monoprice also has a fork of the i3 which they sell as well. > > https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=13860&gclid= > EAIaIQobChMI4q3brfnj1gIVAQlpCh0hhgs4EAQYAiABEgJKQPD_BwE > > In terms of assembly time: the A8, the Tarantula, and the original i3 will > all take a couple days of (hopefully some poor intern's) time to assemble > and test. The Monoprice i3 ships semi-assembled, and you can get printing > within a couple hours. > > Hope that helped, > > Ian > > On Oct 9, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hey Gang, > > I've been given clearance to buy a 3d printer, with the caveat of > controlling the cost. > > There are an infinite number of choices out there. > > A co-worker bought this one and had good luck with it: > https://www.walmart.com/ip/2017-Upgraded-Quality-High- > Precision-Reprap-Prusa-i3-DIY-3d-Printer-Kit-Anet-A8-3d- > Printer-3d-Drucker/919868952 > > I've also found this one which seems to be pretty good quality as well: > > https://www.3dprintersonlinestore.com/product/reprap/tarantula-3d- > printer-kit > > I'd honestly like to NOT give walmart money if at all possible. > > Any recommendations? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] 3d printing question.
by Gelman, Ian S 09 Oct '17

09 Oct '17

Hi Tim, The Anet A8 and TEVO tarantula are i3 derivatives, what with the hardware being open source. Each of these can be found on Amazon. The assembly guides are pretty cryptic though, with lots of skipped steps and a lack of images. However, If Ab Initio can afford the $600, I would seriously recommend getting Josef Prusa's original version, which he sells on his website. https://shop.prusa3d.com/en/3d-printers/59-original-prusa-i3-mk2-kit.html?g… The manuals are amazing, with an active community of people making revisions on Github. Monoprice also has a fork of the i3 which they sell as well. https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=13860&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4q3brfnj1gIV… In terms of assembly time: the A8, the Tarantula, and the original i3 will all take a couple days of (hopefully some poor intern's) time to assemble and test. The Monoprice i3 ships semi-assembled, and you can get printing within a couple hours. Hope that helped, Ian On Oct 9, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com<mailto:turbofx@gmail.com>> wrote: Hey Gang, I've been given clearance to buy a 3d printer, with the caveat of controlling the cost. There are an infinite number of choices out there. A co-worker bought this one and had good luck with it: https://www.walmart.com/ip/2017-Upgraded-Quality-High-Precision-Reprap-Prus… I've also found this one which seems to be pretty good quality as well: https://www.3dprintersonlinestore.com/product/reprap/tarantula-3d-printer-k… I'd honestly like to NOT give walmart money if at all possible. Any recommendations? Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org<mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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3d printing question.
by Tim Keller 09 Oct '17

09 Oct '17

Hey Gang, I've been given clearance to buy a 3d printer, with the caveat of controlling the cost. There are an infinite number of choices out there. A co-worker bought this one and had good luck with it: https://www.walmart.com/ip/2017-Upgraded-Quality-High-Precision-Reprap-Prus… I've also found this one which seems to be pretty good quality as well: https://www.3dprintersonlinestore.com/product/reprap/tarantula-3d-printer-k… I'd honestly like to NOT give walmart money if at all possible. Any recommendations? Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Lenovo Black Screen Issue
by Tim Keller 05 Oct '17

05 Oct '17

Also with the Lenovo's you can control the video output with the "FN" keys. Usually it's the F7 key. At least on my 430 it looks like a little projector. Tim. On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:26 AM, THE HAMMER <hammerron(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Thank you to the people who replied with questions or suggestions. > > Here is some additional info: > > > The keyboard backlighting is what flashes briefly at start up attempt. > The screen shows no light what so ever. > > > Tried launching systems off of live usbs...no luck > Tried the Lenovo reset button.....no luck > > Tried running a different screen with an hdmi cable....it said no input > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org> on behalf > of John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 4, 2017 2:10 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [Wlug] Lenovo Black Screen Issue > > > THE> ..hope this is not too off topic.. Have a friend with a Lenovo > THE> ideapad. The screen stays black and does not light up > THE> whatsoever. Would anyone have suggestions for best way to go > THE> with it? > > Try plugging the thing into a monitor while it's powered off, then > power it on and see if you get anything that way. It could be that > the display is fried. > > Does the disk spin up? Does it have windows on it? Can you put a USB > thumb drive on the system and try to boot from that (knoppix is really > good for this, or one of the system rescue linux images). > > THE> The sticker on it gives further info: Windows 8, intel core i5, > THE> and Ultrabook. > > Would need more, like the model number. > > THE> The power button lights up and stays on when you try to turn the > THE> unit on, as long as you keep the power cord plugged in. > THE> Apparently the battery holds no charge. The keyboard keys > THE> quickly flash once also when the start button is hit. > > which keys flash? > > THE> The case does show some dents, and they say it was dropped a few > times. > > LOL! > > THE> They've tried disconnecting the battery thing with no luck. > > External display is my first bet. Remove the hardware as well if > possible. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Lenovo Black Screen Issue
by John Stoffel 05 Oct '17

05 Oct '17

>>>>> "THE" == THE HAMMER <hammerron(a)hotmail.com> writes: THE> Thank you to the people who replied with questions or suggestions. THE> Here is some additional info: THE> The keyboard backlighting is what flashes briefly at start up attempt. The THE> screen shows no light what so ever. THE> Tried launching systems off of live usbs...no luck THE> Tried the Lenovo reset button.....no luck THE> Tried running a different screen with an hdmi cable....it said no input I suspect the unit is dead and might need to be opened up to look for problems like broken connections, burnt spots on the motherboard, etc. Maybe try taking it apart and then putting it back together. The drop(s) could have knocked something loose. Pull out the disk in the system might also help. Otherwise... send it to Lenovo for repair, or buy a new/used one to replace.

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Re: [Wlug] Lenovo Black Screen Issue
by THE HAMMER 05 Oct '17

05 Oct '17

Thank you to the people who replied with questions or suggestions. Here is some additional info: The keyboard backlighting is what flashes briefly at start up attempt. The screen shows no light what so ever. Tried launching systems off of live usbs...no luck Tried the Lenovo reset button.....no luck Tried running a different screen with an hdmi cable....it said no input ________________________________ From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org> on behalf of John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 2:10 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Lenovo Black Screen Issue THE> ..hope this is not too off topic.. Have a friend with a Lenovo THE> ideapad. The screen stays black and does not light up THE> whatsoever. Would anyone have suggestions for best way to go THE> with it? Try plugging the thing into a monitor while it's powered off, then power it on and see if you get anything that way. It could be that the display is fried. Does the disk spin up? Does it have windows on it? Can you put a USB thumb drive on the system and try to boot from that (knoppix is really good for this, or one of the system rescue linux images). THE> The sticker on it gives further info: Windows 8, intel core i5, THE> and Ultrabook. Would need more, like the model number. THE> The power button lights up and stays on when you try to turn the THE> unit on, as long as you keep the power cord plugged in. THE> Apparently the battery holds no charge. The keyboard keys THE> quickly flash once also when the start button is hit. which keys flash? THE> The case does show some dents, and they say it was dropped a few times. LOL! THE> They've tried disconnecting the battery thing with no luck. External display is my first bet. Remove the hardware as well if possible. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] Lenovo Black Screen Issue
by jebaill52 04 Oct '17

04 Oct '17

Power it down. Press the Novo button with a paper clip or something small. This will bring you to the Novo menu which has bios,boot,and recovery entries. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> Date: 10/4/17 2:10 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Lenovo Black Screen Issue THE> ..hope this is not too off topic.. Have a friend with a Lenovo THE> ideapad. The screen stays black and does not light up THE> whatsoever. Would anyone have suggestions for best way to go THE> with it? Try plugging the thing into a monitor while it's powered off, then power it on and see if you get anything that way. It could be that the display is fried. Does the disk spin up? Does it have windows on it? Can you put a USB thumb drive on the system and try to boot from that (knoppix is really good for this, or one of the system rescue linux images). THE> The sticker on it gives further info: Windows 8, intel core i5, THE> and Ultrabook. Would need more, like the model number. THE> The power button lights up and stays on when you try to turn the THE> unit on, as long as you keep the power cord plugged in. THE> Apparently the battery holds no charge. The keyboard keys THE> quickly flash once also when the start button is hit. which keys flash? THE> The case does show some dents, and they say it was dropped a few times. LOL! THE> They've tried disconnecting the battery thing with no luck. External display is my first bet. Remove the hardware as well if possible. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] Lenovo Black Screen Issue
by Michael C Voorhis 04 Oct '17

04 Oct '17

John Stoffel writes: > THE> The keyboard keys quickly flash once also when the start button > THE> is hit. > which keys flash? When a lenovo portable with a backlit keyboard is powered up, the keyboard backlight will light up once and fade out--a part of the POST I presume. Maybe this is what they're talking about. --MCV.

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Re: [Wlug] Lenovo Black Screen Issue
by John Stoffel 04 Oct '17

04 Oct '17

THE> ..hope this is not too off topic.. Have a friend with a Lenovo THE> ideapad. The screen stays black and does not light up THE> whatsoever. Would anyone have suggestions for best way to go THE> with it? Try plugging the thing into a monitor while it's powered off, then power it on and see if you get anything that way. It could be that the display is fried. Does the disk spin up? Does it have windows on it? Can you put a USB thumb drive on the system and try to boot from that (knoppix is really good for this, or one of the system rescue linux images). THE> The sticker on it gives further info: Windows 8, intel core i5, THE> and Ultrabook. Would need more, like the model number. THE> The power button lights up and stays on when you try to turn the THE> unit on, as long as you keep the power cord plugged in. THE> Apparently the battery holds no charge. The keyboard keys THE> quickly flash once also when the start button is hit. which keys flash? THE> The case does show some dents, and they say it was dropped a few times. LOL! THE> They've tried disconnecting the battery thing with no luck. External display is my first bet. Remove the hardware as well if possible.

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Lenovo Black Screen Issue
by THE HAMMER 04 Oct '17

04 Oct '17

..hope this is not too off topic.. Have a friend with a Lenovo ideapad. The screen stays black and does not light up whatsoever. Would anyone have suggestions for best way to go with it? More details: The sticker on it gives further info: Windows 8, intel core i5, and Ultrabook. The power button lights up and stays on when you try to turn the unit on, as long as you keep the power cord plugged in. Apparently the battery holds no charge. The keyboard keys quickly flash once also when the start button is hit. The case does show some dents, and they say it was dropped a few times. They've tried disconnecting the battery thing with no luck. Any suggestions?

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Meeting Oct 12th 2017 at 7pm. Topic: Ansible Location: WPI Campus Center Rm 331
by Tim Keller 04 Oct '17

04 Oct '17

Hey Gang, Our next meeting will be on October 12th at 7pm. I'm going to give a quick talk on Ansible. It's a handy tool I use for install software on LOTS of computers. I'll also talk about Ansible playbooks as well. After that I figure we can talk about things people might want as topics and then head down for pizza at Tech. As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Autonomous Small Robot Association/Society/League
by Tim Keller 23 Sep '17

23 Sep '17

David, Would you be interested in doing a talk on this? Thanks, Tim. On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 6:54 PM, David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> wrote: > Hi Folks, > > A buddy of mine and I have been kicking around the idea of starting a > local organization for building small robots the would be used in > competitions. As a place holder name, we have chosen Autonomous Small > Robot Association/Society/League. > > Attached is a link to a PDF file that provides a bare bones outline of > the proposal. Basically, we would be following the rules espoused by > the PiWars.org web site and to that end, I am building a little robot > that will use image/vision processing to navigate the challenges (RPi, > opencv, tensorflow) > > If anyone of this list is interested, please contact me at > dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net or Ron Mourant at mourant(a)gmail.com > > Regards > > David Glaser > > > Link to file > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/w6mq1ywqlxy81qg/Proposal-2017-09-22.pdf?dl=0 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Autonomous Small Robot Association/Society/League
by David Glaser 23 Sep '17

23 Sep '17

Hi Folks, A buddy of mine and I have been kicking around the idea of starting a local organization for building small robots the would be used in competitions. As a place holder name, we have chosen Autonomous Small Robot Association/Society/League. Attached is a link to a PDF file that provides a bare bones outline of the proposal. Basically, we would be following the rules espoused by the PiWars.org web site and to that end, I am building a little robot that will use image/vision processing to navigate the challenges (RPi, opencv, tensorflow) If anyone of this list is interested, please contact me at dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net or Ron Mourant at mourant(a)gmail.com Regards David Glaser Link to file https://www.dropbox.com/s/w6mq1ywqlxy81qg/Proposal-2017-09-22.pdf?dl=0

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The show will go on without me on Thursday.
by Tim Keller 13 Sep '17

13 Sep '17

Hey Gang, I've just learned that I've got my daughters open house on Thursday night. Logan will present, but I'll only be there in spirit. Sorry, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Reminder! Meeting Sept. 14th, 2017! Topic: Ceph!
by Tim Keller 12 Sep '17

12 Sep '17

Hey Gang, This is a reminder that we've got a meeting on Thursday! Location: WPI Campus Center Rm 331. Time: 7pm Topic: Ceph. Presenters: Logan Brown and Tim Keller Ceph is a scalable storage system that provides object, block and file system services. You can grow it dynamically across multiple machines for fault tolerance and performance. Logan and I have both been experimenting with Ceph. I've been playing with in my data center and Logan has gone full production at home with it as a NAS. We'll be able to talk about it's design philosophy, expandability, fault tolerance and management. As usual, snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll head off to Tech Pizza to continue the conversation. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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WLUG Meeting Sept. 14th 2017! @7pm Topic: Ceph
by Tim Keller 05 Sep '17

05 Sep '17

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting! Location: WPI Campus Center Rm 331. Time: 7pm Topic: Ceph Presenters: Logan Brown and Tim Keller. What is Ceph? Ceph is a scalable storage system that provides object, block and file system services. You can grow it dynamically across multiple machines for fault tolerance and performance. Logan and I have both been experimenting with Ceph. I've been playing with in my data center and Logan has gone full production at home with it as a NAS. We'll be able to talk about it's design philosophy, expandability, fault tolerance and management. As usual, snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll head off to Tech Pizza to continue the conversation. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Great BBQ!
by Tim Keller 11 Aug '17

11 Aug '17

To all those who attended, Thanks! It was a great time, there was good food and much reminiscing. To all those who couldn't attend, there's always next year! I'd like to lastly thank Doug and Maureen for graciously opening their home. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Reminder! 20th Anniversary BBQ this Thursday!!!
by Tim Keller 07 Aug '17

07 Aug '17

Hey Gang, Just a reminder, we've got a BBQ on Thursday! Location: 540 Linden St, Boylston MA Time: 7pm. Topic: Marvel at 20 years of WLUG and where linux has come in 20 years! Food: Hot Dogs / Burgers / Chips / Soda... the usual BBQ food. Doug has mentioned his pool is open, so bring appropriate swimwear/towel if you'd like. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] 20th Anniversary WLUG BBQ August 10th!!!
by Andy Stewart 04 Aug '17

04 Aug '17

On 08/04/2017 02:10 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > Hey Gang, > > I want to start by thanking long time member Doug Mildram for graciously > offering up his home for the 20th anniversary WLUG BBQ! HI gang, I am looking forward to seeing all of you that evening! Please look around and see if you have any photos/jpegs/pngs from past WLUG events, and bring them if you can. Maybe you have one of our WLUG Install Fest CDs that Tim silk screened for us way back when? Perhaps you have a copy of Doug Waud's network slides (with the two paper cups and a string). Whatever you have that reminds you of great WLUG times of the past, please bring it to the party. See ya then! Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

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Re: [Wlug] DNS not resolving
by Richard Klein 04 Aug '17

04 Aug '17

I hate to admit that I'm using Kali for a daily driver, but it usually works fine. Plus, it's based on debian. Anyway, I created /etc/resolvconf containing: nameserver 8.8.8.8 and that did the trick. I have connectivity now. I still want to understand the mechanics. As you can see, the NetworkManager GUI doesn't agree with /etc/resolvconf, and the file seems to take precedence over the GUI. http://imgur.com/a/Rngbf On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 9:16 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Richard> I did a dist-upgrade on my computer. Afterward, I got an > Richard> error related to a broken link for resolvconf. I read > Richard> somewhere that the file gets created if it doesn't exist, so > Richard> I unlinked and deleted the offending file (I think it was / > Richard> etc/resolvconf, but I don't remember). > > Sounds like your on a debian style system. Details please? For > example, on Ubuntu (recent ones I think) you need to add a line like: > > dns-nameserver 8.8.8.8 > > into your /etc/network/interfaces file so that on bootup it will > populate /etc/resolv.conf properly. > > Richard> Now I don't seem to have any DNS. I can still access my > Richard> routers menu by typing in the dotted quad, but no alpha > Richard> URLs. Any ideas? > > cat /etc/resolv.conf first off. > > Richard> I entered the Google DNS addresses: 8.8.8.8 & 8.8.8.4 in the > network settings > Richard> GUI. That looks good, but addresses still aren't resolving. > > You might need to reboot, but first just tell us the Distribution and > version you're using. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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20th Anniversary WLUG BBQ August 10th!!!
by Tim Keller 04 Aug '17

04 Aug '17

Hey Gang, I want to start by thanking long time member Doug Mildram for graciously offering up his home for the 20th anniversary WLUG BBQ! Date: August 10th, 2017 @ 7pm. Location: 540 Linden St, Boylston MA Topic: Marvel at 20 years of WLUG and where linux has come in 20 years! Food: If you have special dietary requirements feel free to bring your own stuff. I don't believe that Doug keeps a kosher home so please take that into consideration as well. I'm going to bring an assortment of Hotdogs / Hamburgers / Brautwurst, etc. As well as Chips / Dips / Soda. Doug has also mentioned that his pool is fully operational so if you're inclined to swim, bring appropriate gear. Please email me directory (turbofx(a)gmail.com) that you're coming so I can accurately purchase food and drink. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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