Re: struggling w/ reliable printers on CUPS in small office

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Aljerin Butler,Jr.

24 Jan 2019 24 Jan '19

11:17 p.m.

Try my website here (especially HPLIP) at the compatibility links.(http://customdesktopsolutions.mywebcommunity.org/index.php/linux-open-source...) Al Butler On Wednesday, January 23, 2019, 11:12:51 PM EST, Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob via WLUG wrote: I have an HP Officejet 8600 that only gets "paused" if I unplug it, in my testing. YMMV Get Outlook for Android From: Bradley Noyes via WLUG Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07:29 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion Cc: Bradley Noyes Subject: [WLUG] struggling w/ reliable printers on CUPS in small office WLug-gers, tl;dr: Can someone recommend a printer (or printer brand) that is reliable for printing via CUPS? I’m struggling w/ printers in a small office and i've struggled to get any kind of guidance on-line. The volume of pages printed at the office is probably around 100 pages a day and there are 4 printers — all HPs and all consumer grade — each printer has its purpose, e.g. there's an 11x17 printer, one color laser, one BW laster, one color inkjet. The office is all iMACs, which connect to a Linux CUPS server. The iMacs were networking directly w/ the printers, but i added the CUPS server to try to mitigate the poor reliability with only marginal results. Routinely printers become “paused” in CUPS so i need to go in and ‘unpause’ them, also some printers just fall of the network entirely. Inevitably the only printer that works most of the time is the ink-jet which is a lot more expensive to re-fill. I’m looking for a reliable solution. If anyone has a recomendation that’d be great! Thanks, — Brad _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org

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Kevin W Stratton

25 Jan 25 Jan

2:42 a.m.

New subject: struggling w/ reliable printers on CUPS in small office

I have had this problem with a couple of older distributions of linux. The problem now does not occur with the same network printer that I have had for a long time. I have a single user setup, so I do not know if is relevant information. Perhaps one machine on the network has a buggy version of CUPS? Doing a quick google search I found: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=202022 pypi suggests considering changing the ErrorPolicy for a similar problem. I have never done this, so good luck. On 1/24/19 6:17 PM, Aljerin Butler,Jr. via WLUG wrote:

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Try my website here http://customdesktopsolutions.mywebcommunity.org/index.php/linux-open-source... (especially HPLIP) at the compatibility links. (http://customdesktopsolutions.mywebcommunity.org/index.php/linux-open-source...)

Al Butler

On Wednesday, January 23, 2019, 11:12:51 PM EST, Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob via WLUG wrote:

I have an HP Officejet 8600 that only gets "paused" if I unplug it, in my testing. YMMV

Get Outlook for Android https://aka.ms/ghei36

------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Bradley Noyes via WLUG *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07:29 AM *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion *Cc:* Bradley Noyes *Subject:* [WLUG] struggling w/ reliable printers on CUPS in small office WLug-gers,

tl;dr: Can someone recommend a printer (or printer brand) that is reliable for printing via CUPS?

I’m struggling w/ printers in a small office and i've struggled to get any kind of guidance on-line. The volume of pages printed at the office is probably around 100 pages a day and there are 4 printers — all HPs and all consumer grade — each printer has its purpose, e.g. there's an 11x17 printer, one color laser, one BW laster, one color inkjet. The office is all iMACs, which connect to a Linux CUPS server. The iMacs were networking directly w/ the printers, but i added the CUPS server to try to mitigate the poor reliability with only marginal results. Routinely printers become “paused” in CUPS so i need to go in and ‘unpause’ them, also some printers just fall of the network entirely. Inevitably the only printer that works most of the time is the ink-jet which is a lot more expensive to re-fill.

I’m looking for a reliable solution. If anyone has a recomendation that’d be great!

Thanks, — Brad _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org

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E Johnson

5:58 a.m.

New subject: struggling w/ reliable printers on CUPS in small office

One thing that occurred to me: I had a problem like this rather frequently in the last apartment. It had electricity issues: the ancient refrig was on same circuit as half of the apartment --including the elex outlets I had to use for the computers & printer, etc. The lights used to dim slightly whenever the refrig compressor came on. I used to hear the printer resetting itself several times/week. The printer and CUPS often disagreed -- quit working together. This is a decent HP Deskjet, on the compatible list. But printers seem to be sensitive beasts. Restart CUPS usually fixed the problem, altho occasionally I would have to completely disconnect the printer, power, data cable & all, then wait a few min before hooking it all back up, then restart CUPS. Now here at the new place since last May, there are no fluctuating elex issues, and no CUPS - printer issues either. May I suggest, if you don't have already: plug all the printers into a decent UPS (rather than zip strip or whatever), which should keep the elex supply steady for your printers. I have a spare UPS here that I am not using. I bought it several years ago for just this reason, but it works only with grounded outlets which we did not have at the old place (they were "fake" grounded). I would gladly contribute this UPS if you would like to see if it helps. I am in Worcester. Liz J

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On Wednesday, January 23, 2019, 11:12:51 PM EST, Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob via WLUG wrote:

I have an HP Officejet 8600 that only gets "paused" if I unplug it, in my testing. YMMV

------------------------------ *From:* Bradley Noyes via WLUG *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07:29 AM *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion *Cc:* Bradley Noyes *Subject:* [WLUG] struggling w/ reliable printers on CUPS in small office

WLug-gers,

tl;dr: Can someone recommend a printer (or printer brand) that is reliable for printing via CUPS?

I’m struggling w/ printers in a small office and i've struggled to get any kind of guidance on-line. The volume of pages printed at the office is probably around 100 pages a day and there are 4 printers — all HPs and all consumer grade — each printer has its purpose, e.g. there's an 11x17 printer, one color laser, one BW laster, one color inkjet. The office is all iMACs, which connect to a Linux CUPS server. The iMacs were networking directly w/ the printers, but i added the CUPS server to try to mitigate the poor reliability with only marginal results. Routinely printers become “paused” in CUPS so i need to go in and ‘unpause’ them, also some printers just fall of the network entirely. Inevitably the only printer that works most of the time is the ink-jet which is a lot more expensive to re-fill.

I’m looking for a reliable solution. If anyone has a recomendation that’d be great!

Thanks, — Brad

Kevin W Stratton

3:40 p.m.

New subject: struggling w/ reliable printers on CUPS in small office

Unless the UPS is very beefy, I wold not do this with laser printers. When My laser printer is on the battery side of my UPS, it resets the UPS when I start a print. I think it has something to due with a current inrush for a heater that has to run before printing. Of course newer printers may be better about this. On 1/25/19 12:58 AM, E Johnson via WLUG wrote:

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One thing that occurred to me:

I had a problem like this rather frequently in the last apartment. It had electricity issues: the ancient refrig was on same circuit as half of the apartment --including the elex outlets I had to use for the computers & printer, etc. The lights used to dim slightly whenever the refrig compressor came on. I used to hear the printer resetting itself several times/week. The printer and CUPS often disagreed -- quit working together. This is a decent HP Deskjet, on the compatible list. But printers seem to be sensitive beasts.

Restart CUPS usually fixed the problem, altho occasionally I would have to completely disconnect the printer, power, data cable & all, then wait a few min before hooking it all back up, then restart CUPS.

Now here at the new place since last May, there are no fluctuating elex issues, and no CUPS - printer issues either.

May I suggest, if you don't have already: plug all the printers into a decent UPS (rather than zip strip or whatever), which should keep the elex supply steady for your printers.

I have a spare UPS here that I am not using. I bought it several years ago for just this reason, but it works only with grounded outlets which we did not have at the old place (they were "fake" grounded). I would gladly contribute this UPS if you would like to see if it helps. I am in Worcester.

Liz J

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On Wednesday, January 23, 2019, 11:12:51 PM EST, Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob via WLUG mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org wrote:

I have an HP Officejet 8600 that only gets "paused" if I unplug it, in my testing. YMMV

------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Bradley Noyes via WLUG mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07:29 AM *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion *Cc:* Bradley Noyes *Subject:* [WLUG] struggling w/ reliable printers on CUPS in small office WLug-gers,

tl;dr: Can someone recommend a printer (or printer brand) that is reliable for printing via CUPS?

I’m struggling w/ printers in a small office and i've struggled to get any kind of guidance on-line. The volume of pages printed at the office is probably around 100 pages a day and there are 4 printers — all HPs and all consumer grade — each printer has its purpose, e.g. there's an 11x17 printer, one color laser, one BW laster, one color inkjet. The office is all iMACs, which connect to a Linux CUPS server. The iMacs were networking directly w/ the printers, but i added the CUPS server to try to mitigate the poor reliability with only marginal results. Routinely printers become “paused” in CUPS so i need to go in and ‘unpause’ them, also some printers just fall of the network entirely. Inevitably the only printer that works most of the time is the ink-jet which is a lot more expensive to re-fill.

I’m looking for a reliable solution. If anyone has a recomendation that’d be great!

Thanks, — Brad

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Bradley Noyes

4:35 p.m.

New subject: struggling w/ reliable printers on CUPS in small office

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On Jan 24, 2019, at 21:42, Kevin W Stratton via WLUG wrote:

I have had this problem with a couple of older distributions of linux. The problem now does not occur with the same network printer that I have had for a long time. I have a single user setup, so I do not know if is relevant information. Perhaps one machine on the network has a buggy version of CUPS?

This is entirely possible. Since you mentioned it, this particular box is running ubuntu 14.04, which is quite old at this point. It didn’t even occur to me to check this until you mentioned it

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Doing a quick google search I found:

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=202022 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=202022 pypi suggests considering changing the ErrorPolicy for a similar problem. I have never done this, so good luck.

It turns out this option isn’t even available in the version of CUPS i’m running. Looks like i’ll be trying to upgrade my ubuntu box this weekend and crossing my fingers that it solves the CUPS problems and doesn’t break anything else. Thanks! - brad

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On 1/24/19 6:17 PM, Aljerin Butler,Jr. via WLUG wrote:

...
Try my website here http://customdesktopsolutions.mywebcommunity.org/index.php/linux-open-source... (especially HPLIP) at the compatibility links. (http://customdesktopsolutions.mywebcommunity.org/index.php/linux-open-source... http://customdesktopsolutions.mywebcommunity.org/index.php/linux-open-source...)

Al Butler

On Wednesday, January 23, 2019, 11:12:51 PM EST, Krichevsky, Nicholas Jacob via WLUG mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org wrote:

I have an HP Officejet 8600 that only gets "paused" if I unplug it, in my testing. YMMV

Get Outlook for Android https://aka.ms/ghei36 From: Bradley Noyes via WLUG mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:07:29 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion Cc: Bradley Noyes Subject: [WLUG] struggling w/ reliable printers on CUPS in small office

WLug-gers,

tl;dr: Can someone recommend a printer (or printer brand) that is reliable for printing via CUPS?

I’m struggling w/ printers in a small office and i've struggled to get any kind of guidance on-line. The volume of pages printed at the office is probably around 100 pages a day and there are 4 printers — all HPs and all consumer grade — each printer has its purpose, e.g. there's an 11x17 printer, one color laser, one BW laster, one color inkjet. The office is all iMACs, which connect to a Linux CUPS server. The iMacs were networking directly w/ the printers, but i added the CUPS server to try to mitigate the poor reliability with only marginal results. Routinely printers become “paused” in CUPS so i need to go in and ‘unpause’ them, also some printers just fall of the network entirely. Inevitably the only printer that works most of the time is the ink-jet which is a lot more expensive to re-fill.

I’m looking for a reliable solution. If anyone has a recomendation that’d be great!

Thanks, — Brad _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug@lists.wlug.org mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org

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