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WPC54G and Gentoo
by Chuck Haines 08 Mar '05

08 Mar '05

Ignore my last email. No sooner had I sent the email out that I got things working. Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com http://www.maxslack.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity TKE-ZM Web Coordinator ECE Systems Administrator ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- GPG Fingerprint: 303A AB50 4EA9 70ED 2E30 2368 C9CD CCB5 4BD7 0989 GPG Key: http://www.maxslack.com/gpgkey.txt

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WPC54G and Gentoo
by Chuck Haines 08 Mar '05

08 Mar '05

Does anyone here have experience with a Linksys WPC54G and Gentoo? I've installed the ndiswrappers according to the gentoo HOW-TO and installed the correct driver for the wireless card. The card is detected just fine, however when it tries to associate with an AP it always fails. I've tried setting the parameters manually with iwconfig and then running dhcpcd, however it doesn't get an IP. According to iwconfig it is seeing the AP but not pulling an IP. Any help with this would be much … [View More]

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Parking
by Raja Mukherjee 08 Mar '05

08 Mar '05

Hi, I am planning to attend the WLUG meeting on March 23. I am a newbie and look forward to being a member of the group. A question - is there disabled parking near the Morgan Hall? The WPI site map didn't show any. Thanks -- Raja Mukherjee Brookfield, MA 01506

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Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 17, Issue 3
by Raja Mukherjee 07 Mar '05

07 Mar '05

Hi, I am planning to attend the WLUG meeting on March 23. I am a newbie and look forward to being a member of the group. A question - is there disabled parking near the Morgan Hall? The WPI site map didn't show any. Thanks Raja Mukherjee Brookfield, MA 01506

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SUN/IBM Server Rentals
by Chuck Noyes 07 Mar '05

07 Mar '05

Hi All, The company where I work (in Worcester), is interested in renting a SUN server, with a current version of Solaris pre-installed, as well as an IBM box (pSeries or xSeries) running a current version of AIX. We would like to rent the boxes for about 3 months. Does anyone know of a place in the area that does this? Thanks, -Chuck

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Re: [Wlug] Uninstall Suse Linux 8.0
by philrmcss＠netscape.net 07 Mar '05

07 Mar '05

Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: >On Sunday 06 March 2005 7:20 pm, philrmcss(a)netscape.net wrote: >> I have installed Suse Linux Home Edition 8.0 on my machine. Something went >> wrong when it installed, and it won't see my mouse. Hence, I can't >> navigate within it. Can anyone tell me how to uninstall it, and restore my >> hard drive to its original configuration, until I can install another >> version? >> >> Thanks >&… [View More]

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Uninstall Suse Linux 8.0
by philrmcss＠netscape.net 07 Mar '05

07 Mar '05

I have installed Suse Linux Home Edition 8.0 on my machine. Something went wrong when it installed, and it won't see my mouse. Hence, I can't navigate within it. Can anyone tell me how to uninstall it, and restore my hard drive to its original configuration, until I can install another version? Thanks Phil __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register … [View More]

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HDTV tuner card
by Chuck R. Anderson 06 Mar '05

06 Mar '05

I'm thinking about putting together an order for the pcHDTV HD-3000 PCI NTSC/ATSC tuner card sold here: http://www.pchdtv.com/ It supports Linux (and does not officially support anything BUT Linux), and does not obey the "broadcast flag". It will only be legal to buy such a card until July 1, 2005: http://www.eff.org/broadcastflag/ and it works in MythTV: http://www.mythtv.org/ If people are interested, we can save money by ordering together: "Price reduced to now only $169.98. Volume … [View More]

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Fwd: Invitation- complimentary Tech Briefing: IBM software for the on demand operating environment in Boston on March 15
by Andy Stewart 02 Mar '05

02 Mar '05

---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Invitation- complimentary Tech Briefing: IBM software for the on demand operating environment in Boston on March 15 Date: Tuesday 01 March 2005 6:56 pm From: Karen C Lee <leekc(a)us.ibm.com> To: Join us and extend this invitation to your user group members, colleagues, faculty and students for the complimentary IBM Technical Briefing: IBM software for the on demand operating environment in Boston on March 15. Lunch will be provided. … [View More]

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New meeting dates for March/April 2005
by Andy Stewart 26 Feb '05

26 Feb '05

HI Everybody, I've just updated the WLUG website. The meeting dates for our next two meetings are: Wednesday, March 23rd Wednesday, April 20th Discussion topics are still TBD. Also, I've just posted Scott Venier's slides from his Vesta talk at the February meeting. Thanks again, Scott! Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Reminder: WLUG Meeting Thursday 7 PM
by Andy Stewart 16 Feb '05

16 Feb '05

HI Everybody, Our next WLUG meeting is scheduled for Thursday, February 17th at 7:00 PM in the Access Grid room at the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. Let's hope it doesn't snow this time....... :-) Our guest speaker will be Scott Venier, a long time WLUG member, who will be discussing Vesta, a software configuration management system. Vesta is a portable SCM system targeted at supporting development of software systems of almost any size, from fairly small (under 10,000 source lines) … [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] Quick Question if anybody knows conserning .ppt and DV D's
by Keller, Tim 15 Feb '05

15 Feb '05

The other "kludgy" solution would be to run the slideshow, and then dump the output into a capture card... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Sawyer Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 12:35 PM To: Tom Misilo; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Quick Question if anybody knows conserning .ppt and DVD's The only thing I can think of is to save each frame as a picture. Then burn a picture disc. … [View More]

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Quick Question if anybody knows conserning .ppt and DVD's
by Tom Misilo 14 Feb '05

14 Feb '05

I was wondering if anybody knew how I could convert a .ppt Power Point File into a Movie file (such as .avi .mpg or such) so that it could be put onto a DVD or VCD Thanks, Tom Misilo -- Tom Misilo Saint Bernard's High School '06

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Teach an old guy new tricks.
by Ken Jones 14 Feb '05

14 Feb '05

I am interested in getting involved in Linux Open Source development. I am a seventy year old retiree. I started programming on the AN/FSQ7 at MIT's Lincoln Laboratory in 1957. (If you read "Computing in the Middle Ages" by Severo Ornstein, I was there.) I finished by professional work life as a Senior Software Engineer at CISCO Systems in 2003. I miss the problem solving and the camaraderie of the work place. I wonder whether I can contribute to the development of Linux. How do … [View More]

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Meeting POSTPONED
by Andy Stewart 10 Feb '05

10 Feb '05

HI gang, My sincere apologies for the late notice, but I just got home and the conditions are deteriorating quickly. The WLUG meeting is postponed until next week Thursday, Feb 17th. Please stay home this evening. Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Reminder: Meeting Thurs 7 PM
by Andy Stewart 10 Feb '05

10 Feb '05

HI Everybody, This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting which will be held on Thursday, Feb. 10th at 7:00 PM in the usual place. Our guest speaker will be Scott Venier, a long time WLUG member, who will be discussing Vesta, a software configuration management system. Vesta is a portable SCM system targeted at supporting development of software systems of almost any size, from fairly small (under 10,000 source lines) to very large (10,000,000 source lines). It is both a revision … [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting Thurs 7 PM
by Keller, Tim 09 Feb '05

09 Feb '05

I wonder how many people are going to show considering NOAA is talking about 20 inches of snow for the area. Also, other than myself, who else intends to attend the Linux World Expo in Boston next week? Later, Tim. _____ From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Robert Schwein Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:21 AM To: andystewart(a)comcast.net; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting Thurs 7 PM Andy … [View More]

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Re: RE: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting Thurs 7 PM
by Clint Moyer 09 Feb '05

09 Feb '05

Actually, 4 to 8 inches, Chicken Little. http://www.crh.noaa.gov/data/forecasts/showsigwx.php?warnzone=MAZ012&warnco… > > From: "Keller, Tim" <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> > Date: 2005/02/09 Wed AM 11:18:26 EST > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Subject: RE: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting Thurs 7 PM > > I wonder how many people are going to show considering NOAA is talking about > 20 inches of snow for the area. > > > … [View More]

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CUPS + Accounting System
by Chuck Haines 02 Feb '05

02 Feb '05

Does anyone have any experience / know of an accounting system that I can use with CUPS? I'm getting ready to migrate our print server from lprng to cups, but I need a new accounting software. The only one is homebrew, but I'd like to move to something more sophisticated if possible. The only basic needs I have for the accounting system is to set a price per page and have the costs and page counts dumb to MySQL so my web front end will work. Thanks, -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ----… [View More]

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Anyone running Linux on Pegasos?
by Pete Wason 02 Feb '05

02 Feb '05

Just curious... I have a Peg I, but I'm running MorphOS. Boots in about 4 seconds ;-) Pete Wason

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RE: [Wlug] xbiff
by Martin, Eric J. 02 Feb '05

02 Feb '05

what's xbiff? -----Original Message----- From: Bill Mills-Curran [mailto:bill@mills-curran.net] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:47 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] xbiff Now that xbiff is gone (not in fc3), what's a good replacement? I've gotten a lot of good use out of xbiff & use it to notify me about a number of things. I'm surprised it's gone, but I guess it's time to move on. Suggestions? Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ Wlug … [View More]

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RE: [Maybe Spam] Re: [Wlug] Anyone running Linux on Pegasos?
by Martin, Eric J. 02 Feb '05

02 Feb '05

I put Linux on my Beige G3... -----Original Message----- From: Webmaster [mailto:webmaster@atari-users.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:04 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Maybe Spam] Re: [Wlug] Anyone running Linux on Pegasos? A Pegasos is a PPC based system. MorphOS is somewhat of an Amiga OS clone. The Pegasos has had Linux ported to it. But my question for Pete is.. think Genesi (Pegasos company) will be around a year from now? check out http://www.pegasosppc.com … [View More]

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RE: [Maybe Spam] Re: [Wlug] Anyone running Linux on Pegasos?
by Martin, Eric J. 02 Feb '05

02 Feb '05

it's a version of PPC (PowerPC) -----Original Message----- From: Charles R. Anderson [mailto:cra@WPI.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:33 PM To: Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Maybe Spam] Re: [Wlug] Anyone running Linux on Pegasos? On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 07:33:28PM -0500, Pete Wason wrote: > Just curious... I have a Peg I, but I'm running MorphOS. > > Boots in about 4 seconds ;-) > > Pete Wason What's a Pegasos? Looks like we have a volunteer to present at the next … [View More]

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PSC1210 and CUPS server
by Chuck Haines 01 Feb '05

01 Feb '05

I just recently decided to put my PSC1210 on my linux server so I could share it with other people. I installed it using cups just fine, it's prints beautiful from the linux machine. However when I try and install the printer from Windows, it asks me for the INF file to install the driver. Not unfortunately HP doesn't include this INF, as they want you to install all their crap. I was curious if anyone else had any experience with this. Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ----------… [View More]

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KickStart fedora core 3 minimal exclude @base group
by Matt Higgins 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

I am attempting a minimal fc3 install <500 MB, I was shooting for <200MB. Looking at the @core package group from comps.xml. My calculations show this group to be about 130MB and its description tag reads "<description>Smallest possible installation</description>". However the "Minimal Install" from the installer is about 530MB. With some research it looks like, the minimal install is not just @core but also @base and @dialup. I can easily exclude @dialup by setting the … [View More]

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xbiff
by Bill Mills-Curran 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

Now that xbiff is gone (not in fc3), what's a good replacement? I've gotten a lot of good use out of xbiff & use it to notify me about a number of things. I'm surprised it's gone, but I guess it's time to move on. Suggestions? Thanks, Bill

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[OT] Yet Another Perl Conference North America 2005 announces call-for-papers
by glim＠mycybernet.net 29 Jan '05

29 Jan '05

YAPC::NA 2005 (Yet Another Perl Conference, North America) has just released its call-for-papers; potential and aspiring speakers can submit a presentation proposal via: http://yapc.org/America/cfp-2005.shtml The dates of the conference are Monday - Wednesday 27-29 June 2005. The location will be in downtown Toronto, Ontario, Canada. (Note that a different date block was previously announced, but has been moved to accomodate venue availability.) The close of the … [View More]

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Mailing list server upgrade
by Frank Sweetser 27 Jan '05

27 Jan '05

The server that hosts the WLUG mailing list will be upgraded today from RH9 to FC3, so the mailing list will be temporarily unavailable. All subscriptions and configuration should remain unchanged. I'll send out another email to the list when the upgrade is complete. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

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Wireless and FC3
by Mike Leo 26 Jan '05

26 Jan '05

I have a new Dell D400 with a Broadcom 4309 wireless card and I have installed FC3 and ndiswrapper. I have installed the "correct" Windows .inf file and everybody is happy. when I iwlist wlan0 scan, it lists all the WAP's I can see correctly. However, I cannot get an IP address via DHCP, and assigning one staticaly does not work. When i dhclient wlan0, it finds the WAP, and the DHCP server, but refuses to accept an IP. My guess is that the ndiswrapper "trick" isn't working for this driver. … [View More]

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Websphere MQ Messaging
by Andrew Robert 25 Jan '05

25 Jan '05

Hi Everyone, If anyone is interested, I've been compiling some documentation on IBM WebSphere MQ Messaging for the Unix/Linux environment. You can find it on my web site located at http://shardservant.no- ip.info:8080 . -- Andrew Robert <arobert(a)townisp.com>

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samba printer config
by Bill Mills-Curran 24 Jan '05

24 Jan '05

I'm floundering trying to get my fedora 3 machine to act as a print server for an WinXP machine. The linux box is freshly built, and I just moved my printer from my redhat 9 machine. What works: 1. Local printing. It's a USB printer, and it worked just fine from the CUPS setup. What doesn't: 1. I can't "add printer" on the WinXP machine. 2. When I start the smb daemon, I get the following in the smbd log: [2005/01/22 18:14:51, 0] printing/nt_printing.c:nt_printing_init(383) … [View More]

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Re: [Wlug] audio on new machine
by Keller, Tim 24 Jan '05

24 Jan '05

Well... it's not being utterly depreciated, it's being superseded with "udev". Basically, the /dev directory has become dynamic. http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html Explains it quite nicely. Tim. On Mon, 2005-01-17 at 23:01 -0500, Keith Wright wrote: > > From: Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> > > > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 09:50:22AM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: > > > > > > You do realize that the /dev/ … [View More]

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LTSP Linux Administration.
by Patrick Sawyer 22 Jan '05

22 Jan '05

Howdy, We at the Worcester Computer Co-Op had an install fest a while ago where a few people said they might be able to do some administration for us. If anyone is still up to the task we would very much appreciate it. This is what we need. 1.Updating our network with new software (this can probably be done remotely?) 2.Getting more machines on the network( we have a strange system, but have 30 computers which are exactly the same and could be used for for the network. if someone could figure … [View More]

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Linux driver contract opening in MA
by John Spencer 21 Jan '05

21 Jan '05

Hello to All, My client has a new opening for a SR LEVEL Linux drivers contractor in northern MA. The details are as follows: Description Develop hardware drivers and diagnostics in an embedded Linux environment. We are looking for someone with extensive experience with embedded Linux and writing hardware device drivers. Good communications skills are essential to this position. Skills Experience with - Writing device drivers under Linux - Motorola/IBM (PowerPC) CPUs - Ethernet switches -… [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] networking for dummies
by Martin, Eric 21 Jan '05

21 Jan '05

That could be a dhcp issue.... -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Gregory Avedissian Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:57 PM To: perryand(a)yahoo.com; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] networking for dummies I've never messed with wireless (yet) but my first thought would be to try it with a wire, and see if you can get to the internet. That would rule out a bunch of stuff. I'm using SuSe 9.1 and 8.… [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] free tek340/350/360 ink cartridges
by Martin, Eric 21 Jan '05

21 Jan '05

Have some of those at my work...those are wax, right? -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Mildram Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:24 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] free tek340/350/360 ink cartridges Corporate antics....i.e. someone left behind (for me to get rid of or trash) mass quantities of new INK colorstix/cartridges for a Tektronix Phaser 340/350/360 printer....which I've never seen. If … [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] networking for dummies
by Martin, Eric 21 Jan '05

21 Jan '05

What chipset is the wireless card? -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Perry Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 12:50 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] networking for dummies Hi All, I have a wireless network established at home using the latest version of a certain very widely used operating system whose name I dare not speak. I've been trying for years to "convert" to Linux, mostly for … [View More]

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Re: [Wlug] free tek340/350/360 ink cartridges
by Keller, Tim 20 Jan '05

20 Jan '05

If I were you, I wouldn't just give those away... Tektronix printers are notoriously expensive... i.e our printer here costs a 1.50 everytime you hit the print button (but it'll print poster quality images) you might have good luck selling them on Ebay... Tim. On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 15:23 -0500, Doug Mildram wrote: > Corporate antics....i.e. someone left behind (for me to get rid of or > trash) > mass quantities of new INK colorstix/cartridges > for a Tektronix Phaser 340/350/360 … [View More]

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Live Distro with VPN support
by Sean Flynn 20 Jan '05

20 Jan '05

I apologize if this has already been discussed, but after some cursory googling and searching I haven't found an answer yet. I am the "computer guy" for our heating oil company. The heating oil software is running on a SCO box, and everyone in the office connects to it over our Windows network. After hours people need to connect to the SCO box to check customer information. Currently they do it through their own windoze PCs with their own high speed internet, or through a company … [View More]

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key mapping on Fedora 3
by Bill Mills-Curran 20 Jan '05

20 Jan '05

I'm a little surprised at the differences in default key mappings in F3 as compared to RH9. Maybe it's just me, but my old key mappings are "implanted" and so automatic that's it's unpleasant to adjust. One thing I miss is the ability to make the default edits act like emacs. In particular, RH9 had an option on the keyboard shortcuts to select either "gnome defaults" or "emacs". When I selected "emacs", that affected mozilla/firefox, so that traditional shortcuts (like <ctrl>u … [View More]

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Fwd: SearchEnterpriseLinux.com article on Red Hat Linux v.4
by Andy Stewart 20 Jan '05

20 Jan '05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi WLUG, Does anybody in the group have anything they'd like to contribute to this News Writer? If so, please mail him directly. Thanks! Andy - ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: SearchEnterpriseLinux.com article on Red Hat Linux v.4 Date: Wednesday 19 January 2005 1:45 pm From: "Loftus, Jack" <JLoftus(a)techtarget.com> To: <andystewart(a)comcast.net> Hello Andy, My name is Jack Loftus, and I am a News Writer … [View More]

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networking for dummies
by Andrew Perry 20 Jan '05

20 Jan '05

Hi All, I have a wireless network established at home using the latest version of a certain very widely used operating system whose name I dare not speak. I've been trying for years to "convert" to Linux, mostly for ideological reasons, but without much luck. I've succesfully installed a few distributions of Linux onto various PC's (mostly older), and I can play CD's and use office software with no problem. The real deal-breaker (the reason I haven't started using linux except as a … [View More]

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free tek340/350/360 ink cartridges
by Doug Mildram 19 Jan '05

19 Jan '05

Corporate antics....i.e. someone left behind (for me to get rid of or trash) mass quantities of new INK colorstix/cartridges for a Tektronix Phaser 340/350/360 printer....which I've never seen. If you have such a beast, reply to me for free supplies! After this hail mary fails, I'll email the BBLISA list..... --doug

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RE: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing
by Simoncini, Matthew 19 Jan '05

19 Jan '05

I've been sort of keeping an eye on this thread and if someone has suggested this, please don't flame me, but why not just call BB and ask them what to do? > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Mills-Curran > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:38 PM > To: Justin Odom; Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing > > This isn't just heavy bubble pack -- … [View More]This is a rigid plastic > (about 1/8" thick) with a hinged top. The top doesn't open > by any obvious means. The the top is opaque grey plastic, > and there's a metal mechanism inside. (A magnet is attracted > to it.) I'm guessing that a sufficiently strong magnet would > release a latch/interlock to allow easy opening. > > I'm sure it was a mistake that they didn't remove the memory > package (a normal cardboard retail shelf packaging) from this > "armored box", because most people would not be able to get > it open. I'm going to use my cutoff saw to attack it. > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 10:19:45PM -0500, Justin Odom wrote: > > slice it with a razor blade on back, they wont charge you > if you want > > to return it. > > > > I worked at that horrible place for over a year :-p > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:23:59 -0800 (PST), Mike Leo > <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I think they do that so you can't return it opened and > not be charge > > > some fee for damaging the package....but then again, I > always think > > > the man is trying to keep me down! > > > > > > --- Marc Hughes <marc.hughes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I wonder what the relative melting points of plastic > and silicon > > > > are... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:47:10 -0500, Bill Mills-Curran > > > > <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > > > > > Along with my new computer, my wife also picked up > > > > some memory for me. > > > > > It's in the bullet-proof plastic case. I'm > > > > assuming that they made a > > > > > mistake and meant to take the memory (with it's > > > > normal cardboard > > > > > packaging) out of this tough plastic. There's no > > > > non-destructive way > > > > > to open this plastic case without destroying it. > > > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > > > http://my.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > [View Less]

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RE: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing
by Martin, Eric 18 Jan '05

18 Jan '05

That sounds like a security box that you need a special lock for...surprised you got that out of the store -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Mills-Curran Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:38 PM To: Justin Odom; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing This isn't just heavy bubble pack -- This is a rigid plastic (about 1/8" thick) with a hinged top. The top doesn't open by any … [View More]obvious means. The the top is opaque grey plastic, and there's a metal mechanism inside. (A magnet is attracted to it.) I'm guessing that a sufficiently strong magnet would release a latch/interlock to allow easy opening. I'm sure it was a mistake that they didn't remove the memory package (a normal cardboard retail shelf packaging) from this "armored box", because most people would not be able to get it open. I'm going to use my cutoff saw to attack it. On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 10:19:45PM -0500, Justin Odom wrote: > slice it with a razor blade on back, they wont charge you if you want > to return it. > > I worked at that horrible place for over a year :-p > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:23:59 -0800 (PST), Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > I think they do that so you can't return it opened and > > not be charge some fee for damaging the package....but > > then again, I always think the man is trying to keep > > me down! > > > > --- Marc Hughes <marc.hughes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I wonder what the relative melting points of plastic > > > and silicon are... > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:47:10 -0500, Bill > > > Mills-Curran > > > <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > > > > Along with my new computer, my wife also picked up > > > some memory for me. > > > > It's in the bullet-proof plastic case. I'm > > > assuming that they made a > > > > mistake and meant to take the memory (with it's > > > normal cardboard > > > > packaging) out of this tough plastic. There's no > > > non-destructive way > > > > to open this plastic case without destroying it. > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > > http://my.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug [View Less]

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RE: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing
by Simoncini, Matthew 18 Jan '05

18 Jan '05

Yeah it's more fun to take a "laser" and cut through the damned plastic, but you never know, maybe they have some tech guys that are evil doctors and will throw you a bone. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Mills-Curran Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:20 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing Sorry Justin, I meant to reply to Matt's comment. Bill On Tue, Jan 18, … [View More]2005 at 08:19:08AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Gee, Justin, where's the fun in that? :-) > > Actually, it's easier to saw it off than it is to go to Best Buy. > Also, they're a nasty bunch when it looks like you're trying to do > something out of the ordinary. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd > claim I stole it if I went back to the store, even though I have a > receipt. > > I had a huge hassle returning a video game that I bought for my son. > The game would not work on the system we had (video card issues), even > though the box didn't list any limitations. Because we opened the > box, they were not going to accept a return. I had to get real > insistent. > > The only reason I have something from Best Buy is because my wife > bought it. I'm won't go there if I have any choice. > > Bill > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 07:09:40AM -0500, Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > > I've been sort of keeping an eye on this thread and if someone has > > suggested this, please don't flame me, but why not just call BB and > > ask them what to do? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > > > [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Mills-Curran > > > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:38 PM > > > To: Justin Odom; Worcester Linux Users Group > > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing > > > > > > This isn't just heavy bubble pack -- This is a rigid plastic > > > (about 1/8" thick) with a hinged top. The top doesn't open by any > > > obvious means. The the top is opaque grey plastic, and there's a > > > metal mechanism inside. (A magnet is attracted to it.) I'm > > > guessing that a sufficiently strong magnet would release a > > > latch/interlock to allow easy opening. > > > > > > I'm sure it was a mistake that they didn't remove the memory > > > package (a normal cardboard retail shelf packaging) from this > > > "armored box", because most people would not be able to get it > > > open. I'm going to use my cutoff saw to attack it. > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 10:19:45PM -0500, Justin Odom wrote: > > > > slice it with a razor blade on back, they wont charge you > > > if you want > > > > to return it. > > > > > > > > I worked at that horrible place for over a year :-p > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:23:59 -0800 (PST), Mike Leo > > > <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > I think they do that so you can't return it opened and > > > not be charge > > > > > some fee for damaging the package....but then again, I > > > always think > > > > > the man is trying to keep me down! > > > > > > > > > > --- Marc Hughes <marc.hughes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder what the relative melting points of plastic > > > and silicon > > > > > > are... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:47:10 -0500, Bill Mills-Curran > > > > > > <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > > > > > > > Along with my new computer, my wife also picked up > > > > > > some memory for me. > > > > > > > It's in the bullet-proof plastic case. I'm > > > > > > assuming that they made a > > > > > > > mistake and meant to take the memory (with it's > > > > > > normal cardboard > > > > > > > packaging) out of this tough plastic. There's no > > > > > > non-destructive way > > > > > > > to open this plastic case without destroying it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > > > > > http://my.yahoo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug [View Less]

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RE: [Wlug] audio on new machine
by Keller, Tim 18 Jan '05

18 Jan '05

Bill, In regards to your issue with /dev/cdrom Your /etc/fstab doesn't have something like this in in it.. ... /dev/hdc /media/cdrecorder auto pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 ... You do realize that the /dev/ stuff is being progressively depreciated... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Bill Mills-Curran Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 11:38 PM To: … [View More]Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] audio on new machine Happy Birthday to me! My wife couldn't stand me whining about my old machine, so she picked up a demo emachines for my birthday from Best Buy. I just finished installing fedora core 3, and I'm having a few problems with the audio. 1. The audio test worked fine during the installation, and the "soundcard detection" menu pick still works fine. 2. When I play an audio CD, I have a couple of problems. a. There is no /dev/cdrom device. I made a sym link, but that disappears during reboot. What's the right way to get it in place & stay? b. The permissions on the cd player (/dev/hdc) are 600. I changed them to 666 so I could use the player, but, like the symlink (above), this change does not survive the reboot. Again, what's the right solution? Once I do a & b, then I can see that the cd is playing. With "grip", I can see that it's even getting the names of the tracks. Very cool. 3. No sound. I've played plenty with gnome-volume-control, but no sound. I don't even get anything from the headphone jack on the front panel. Some futher diagnostics: From soundcard detection: Detect sound device Vendo: Intel Model: Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller Module: snd-intel8x0 When I run gnome-cd I get: ** (gnome-cd:3579): WARNING **: Generic IO error >From /etc/modprobe.conf: <snip> alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 options snd-card-0 index=0 install snd-intel8x0 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-intel8x0 && /usr/sbin/alsactl restore >/dev/null 2>&1 || : remove snd-intel8x0 { /usr/sbin/alsactl store >/dev/null 2>&1 || : ; }; /sbin/m <snip> > lsmod snd_intel8x0 34829 3 snd_ac97_codec 64401 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_pcm_oss 47609 0 snd_mixer_oss 17217 2 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 97993 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 29765 1 snd_pcm snd_page_alloc 9673 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm gameport 4801 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_mpu401_uart 8769 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_rawmidi 26725 1 snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_device 8137 1 snd_rawmidi snd 54053 13 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_ mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device soundcore 9889 2 snd $ ll mixer crw------- 1 bcurran root 14, 0 Jan 14 22:39 mixer Even after changing these permissions, I get no sound. Can anyone offer suggestions? Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug [View Less]

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Best Buy -- weird packing
by Bill Mills-Curran 18 Jan '05

18 Jan '05

Along with my new computer, my wife also picked up some memory for me. It's in the bullet-proof plastic case. I'm assuming that they made a mistake and meant to take the memory (with it's normal cardboard packaging) out of this tough plastic. There's no non-destructive way to open this plastic case without destroying it. Comments? Thanks, Bill

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audio on new machine
by Bill Mills-Curran 18 Jan '05

18 Jan '05

Happy Birthday to me! My wife couldn't stand me whining about my old machine, so she picked up a demo emachines for my birthday from Best Buy. I just finished installing fedora core 3, and I'm having a few problems with the audio. 1. The audio test worked fine during the installation, and the "soundcard detection" menu pick still works fine. 2. When I play an audio CD, I have a couple of problems. a. There is no /dev/cdrom device. I made a sym link, but that disappears … [View More]during reboot. What's the right way to get it in place & stay? b. The permissions on the cd player (/dev/hdc) are 600. I changed them to 666 so I could use the player, but, like the symlink (above), this change does not survive the reboot. Again, what's the right solution? Once I do a & b, then I can see that the cd is playing. With "grip", I can see that it's even getting the names of the tracks. Very cool. 3. No sound. I've played plenty with gnome-volume-control, but no sound. I don't even get anything from the headphone jack on the front panel. Some futher diagnostics: From soundcard detection: Detect sound device Vendo: Intel Model: Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller Module: snd-intel8x0 When I run gnome-cd I get: ** (gnome-cd:3579): WARNING **: Generic IO error >From /etc/modprobe.conf: <snip> alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 options snd-card-0 index=0 install snd-intel8x0 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-intel8x0 && /usr/sbin/alsactl restore >/dev/null 2>&1 || : remove snd-intel8x0 { /usr/sbin/alsactl store >/dev/null 2>&1 || : ; }; /sbin/m <snip> > lsmod snd_intel8x0 34829 3 snd_ac97_codec 64401 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_pcm_oss 47609 0 snd_mixer_oss 17217 2 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 97993 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 29765 1 snd_pcm snd_page_alloc 9673 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm gameport 4801 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_mpu401_uart 8769 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_rawmidi 26725 1 snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_device 8137 1 snd_rawmidi snd 54053 13 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device soundcore 9889 2 snd $ ll mixer crw------- 1 bcurran root 14, 0 Jan 14 22:39 mixer Even after changing these permissions, I get no sound. Can anyone offer suggestions? Thanks, Bill [View Less]

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Re: audio on new machine
by albutler33＠netscape.net 15 Jan '05

15 Jan '05

b. The permissions on the cd player (/dev/hdc) are 600. I > changed them to 666 so I could use the player, but, like the > symlink (above), this change does not survive the reboot. > Again, what's the right solution? As root try changing the permissions to 755,which would give you read-execute permission (owner has write permission also).You've got them set as read-write for owner,group and other.After all, I doubt that you can write to a read only device. Al … [View More]

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Linuxworld
by Mike Leo 15 Jan '05

15 Jan '05

I lost the thread about the linuxworld trip since I didn't think i was going, now I am.... Anyone going all 4 days? Was there a commutting option? Ya'll just taking the train, etc,etc,etc... I get to go all 4 days on the company's credit card! Hope there is good stuff down there. Anyone ever been before? Is it worth dragging a laptop down there for 4 days? Will I get beat up if I bring a windows laptop? Is there any 1 thing I should be sure to see? see ya! Mike … [View More]

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WLUG trip to Linuxworldexpo?
by Keller, Tim 14 Jan '05

14 Jan '05

Hey All... I'm planning on attending Linux world expo (the free part) and I was wondering if anybody else would be interested in meeting up in Worcester and taking the commuter rail in. I was thinking of maybe going on Feb 16th. Thanks, Tim.

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presentation slides for this evening's talk
by Jeff Moyer 13 Jan '05

13 Jan '05

I've uploaded them to the following place: http://segfault.dhs.org/~phro/netdump_crash.pdf Export to pdf got rid of bullets, but it's mostly readable. -Jeff

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FC-3 cd's tonight
by Jeff Moyer 13 Jan '05

13 Jan '05

Does anyone want me to burn CD's for them? I'll plan on bringing 3 sets, complete with the source cd's. Let me know if you have a special request. Off list response is preferable. -Jeff

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Clustering
by Jared Greenwald 13 Jan '05

13 Jan '05

Are there any people on this list that have experience with Linux clustering? In particular, Oracle RAC on Linux (9i/10g) - though I'll take general info as well. :) I have experience with UNIX clustering through a product called TruClusters (for Tru64 UNIX), but I'm changing directions and looking at Linux (and RAC in particular). I'm sorta new to the list and my Linux experience up till this point has been purely on the user end of things - setting up/maintaining my home network and … [View More]

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Upcoming meeting: Thurs Jan 13th
by Andy Stewart 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, Its time once again for our monthly WLUG meeting. On Thursday, Jan 13th, Jeff Moyer from RedHat will talk to the group about netdump/crash, which are tools for kernel debugging. Here are a couple of URLs to get you acquainted with the meeting topic: http://www.redhat.com/support/wpapers/redhat/netdump/ http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/netdump.8.html The meeting time is 7:00 PM in the Access Grid room at WPI. … [View More]

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Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting: Jan 13th
by Andy Stewart 11 Jan '05

11 Jan '05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 10 January 2005 8:35 am, Jeff Moyer wrote: > > andystewart> Of the three topics you mentioned, I think that the kernel > andystewart> debugging one might be of the most interest. However, I have > andystewart> a hard time crashing a Linux kernel. :-) > andystewart> If its too late, I'll understand. > > It's not too late. That's two votes for the netdump/crash talk. > > I'm curious, why didn't you … [View More]

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Upcoming meeting: Jan 13th
by Andy Stewart 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI gang, We have a WLUG meeting coming up on Thurs Jan 13 - any thoughts on what topic we should explore? Or more to the point - any volunteers? :-) Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB3NoVHl0iXDssISsRAjByAJ9emZO3gA+52yQ0dBLhMmSBvWTxNQCfcKRO diTNYvQe9uG7zOGE6NSFikY= =1oes -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting: Jan 13th
by Minkov, Ross 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

Jeff, "netdump/crash - tools for kernel debugging" sounds interesting to me. Thanks, Ross -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Moyer Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 9:28 AM To: andystewart(a)comcast.net; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting: Jan 13th ==> Regarding [Wlug] Upcoming meeting: Jan 13th; Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: andystewart> -----BEGIN PGP … [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples
by Martin, Eric 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

I always thought it was that and some mobile processor goodies (low power consumption, etc) Eric Martin Worcester Public Schools -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Hughes Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 12:15 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:41:32 -0500 (EST), Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > On Thu, 30 Dec 2004, Brian Waite … [View More]

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cheap Compaq at Staples
by Bill Mills-Curran 05 Jan '05

05 Jan '05

Staples has a low-priced machine advertised in the Globe: $199.94 for a Compaq Presario with an AMD Sempron processor. Any idea how this might work with Linux? I picked up a cheap Compaq at Walmart a year ago, and I returned it because it was such a dog. TIA, Bill

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lock down /etc
by Justin Odom 31 Dec '04

31 Dec '04

Not sure if anyone has experience with this, but I would like to lock down the /etc directory so common users cannot run through the directory and read all the files. However, programs still need to be able to read the files to work. I'm trying to do this because we have several users on our system that like to peruse the files within /etc. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks for your help, Justin

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Trouble with SATA DVD burner
by Andy Stewart 28 Dec '04

28 Dec '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI all, I'm having problems with an SATA DVD burner (Plextor 712). I can't get Linux to see it. Any advice you might offer would be appreciated. Kernel 2.6.10 x86_64 The (I think) salient portion of /var/log/messages is shown below. I get this when I "modprobe sata_via": amdtux kernel: libata version 1.10 loaded. amdtux kernel: sata_via version 1.0 amdtux kernel: sata_via(0000:00:0f.0): routed to hard irq line 10 amdtux kernel: ata1: SATA … [View More]

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Re: [Wlug] Trouble with SATA DVD burner
by Charles R. Anderson 28 Dec '04

28 Dec '04

On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 12:06:49PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > Well, I got it working with SuSE's kernel version 2.6.5-7.111.19-smp, but that > doesn't explain to me why I can't make it work with a stock 2.6.10 kernel. > Now I'm hitting the "kernel madness" which broke CD/DVD burning for all but > the root user. I believe it was 2.6.8+ that changed the way cd burning (SCSI generic or ATAPI SG_IO) support worked. This was done to fix some security issues where a user could e.g.… [View More]

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Proliant 1600 for sale
by Mike Leo 28 Dec '04

28 Dec '04

I go back and forth on this, but I have a Compaq Proliant 1600, dual 450 (or 500, i forget), with 6 18gig drives, plus an F1 full of 18gig drives, plus some spares. I can also put in a DLT drive. It runs fine, but is loud. I go back and forth with wanting to sell it 'cause I didn't think anyone would be interested. But is anyone? $600 for the whole shabang. I can get more specific specs once I get home. I can bring it to a lug meeting, or can arrange shipping. Let me know... Mike … [View More]

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Sun's x86 Strategy
by Gary Hanley 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

Hello all. I came across this article today that some might find interesting. It touches on Sun's disadvantage with regard to Solaris development costs compared to Linux and how it plans to deal with that, as well as the probable demise of UltraSparc. http://www.techuser.net/sunx86.html -- Gary

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yum repository for Aurora?
by Bill Smith 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

Would anyone here HAPPEN to know of any yum repositories for Aurora Linux (Sparc flavor, 1.0 is based on RH 7.3, 1.9x is based on Fedora)? I've been looking for a repository for upgrading my 1.0 installation to the latest 1.91/1.92, but I cannot find an up-to-date repository. 8( (For anyone that's curious, I'm running Aurora on my Sparc Ultra60...) Any assistance would be greatly appreciated... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith … [View More]

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Items available to good home
by Theo Van Dinter 12 Dec '04

12 Dec '04

On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 08:35:29PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > The next WLUG meeting will be held on Wednesday, December 15th at 7:00 PM. Hey everyone. Sorry to go off-topic for a minute, but I'm going to be moving in the near future, and have a lot of items which need a new home. With the upcoming WLUG meeting (which I'm planning to attend), it seemed like a good time to post the list. :) If you're interested in any of the items, I'll be happy to bring them out to Worcester on … [View More]

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Reminder: Guest Speaker 'maddog'
by Andy Stewart 11 Dec '04

11 Dec '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, The next WLUG meeting will be held on Wednesday, December 15th at 7:00 PM. Our guest speaker will be Jon 'maddog' Hall, the Executive Director of Linux International, and his topic will be: "The Many Ways of Making Money with Free and Open Source" Details about the talk, and some biographical information about our speaker, can be found on the WLUG home page. maddog is a great speaker who has spoken at several WLUG meetings … [View More]

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Big Package
by Chuck Haines 10 Dec '04

10 Dec '04

Can anyone suggest a really big package to compile on a Sun 64 bit operton machine? We just got a new one and I want to test it out. CH -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity http://www.tkezm.org WPI Class of 2005 http://www.wpi.edu ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- GPG Fingerprint: 303A AB50 4EA9 70ED 2E30 2368 C9CD CCB5 … [View More]

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Printing problems
by Don Peterson 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

Hi All, I am having trouble when printing big batches of documents, these are over 20 pages. Everything starts off fine, but then printing stops usually around page 18 to page 22. If I reprint the batch a different number of pages will print, but never all of them. Like I said I usually get anywhere between 18 to 22 pages. I've noticed if I restart the lpd service I can get the batch to reprint fully once. But then when the next batch prints I start having trouble again. Does anyone know if … [View More]

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PCI-X under Linux
by Carlton C. Stedman II 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

I was just wondering if anyone had any success using PCI-X/PCI-Express cards under linux. I was looking through the kernel and don't see any specific settings strictly for PCI-X bus. I wonder if they *just work* with PCI support enabled, as AGP does. I'm specifically interested if anyone has got hardware 3D acceleration working with a PCI-X video card. I'm looking at getting a mid-range NVidia card, since their drivers are at least useable under linux, compared to the atrocious performance and … [View More]

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Linux Job Opportunity
by Andy Stewart 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, I am posting this for a technical recruiter. If you have interest in the position, or know someone who does, please contact the recruiter directly. ====start===== My name is Tom Di Filippo. I am a technical recruiter in the Boston area. I am conducting a confidential search for one of my client companies that is specifically looking for several Software Engineers with desktop Linux experience. Below is a brief overview of what … [View More]

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Linksys WPC11 v3 Wireless Card in SuSE 9.1
by Chuck Haines 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

Has anyone gotten a WPC11 ver 3 wireless card to work in suse 9.1? YaST detects the card, however I cannot get it to use WEP correctly and since both WPI and my home network require it, I'm outta luck right now. Any help with this would be much appreciated. Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity http://www.tkezm.org WPI Class of 2005 http://www.wpi.edu ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM:… [View More]

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[jmorris@redhat.com: Linux Journal Article]
by Charles R. Anderson 13 Nov '04

13 Nov '04

----- Forwarded message from James Morris <jmorris(a)redhat.com> ----- From: James Morris <jmorris(a)redhat.com> To: selinux(a)tycho.nsa.gov Cc: fedora-selinux-list(a)redhat.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:48:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux Journal Article Message-ID: <Xine.LNX.4.44.0411122147260.7482-100000(a)thoron.boston.redhat.com> Reply-To: "Fedora SELinux support list for users & developers." <fedora-selinux-list(a)redhat.com> What's New in Fedora Core 3 SE Linux … [View More]

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Website whoopsies...
by Keller, Tim 09 Nov '04

09 Nov '04

I won't be able to make it to the meeting because 'm not sure what day "Thursdayday" is... :-) Also the link at the bottom to St IgnuCIUS is broken... Later, Tim.

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JOB Opening Linux (UML) skills needed
by John Spencer 09 Nov '04

09 Nov '04

Hello All, I am doing some networking for an opening I have in northern MA/southern NH. I currently need the following: Sr. level engineer with extensive experience with Linux to work with their application software development team. My client is simulating multiple embedded cards using User Mode Linux (UML) sessions for each processor. Experience with: -User Mode Linux (a must) -Networking experience (a must) -Embedded and host Linux -Writing device drivers under Linux a strong plus -C/C++ … [View More]

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REMINDER: WLUG Meeting - Thursday!
by Andy Stewart 09 Nov '04

09 Nov '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everyone, We'll be having our next WLUG meeting on Thursday, November 11th at 7:00 PM in the usual place. Chuck Anderson is going to talk to us rather informally (a la the Gentoo meeting) about what is new and different in Fedora Core 3. He'll also have a PC or two for a live demo. Coming in December: Our guest speaker at the December 15th meeting will be Jon 'maddog' Hall. If you never come to another WLUG meeting, be sure you make … [View More]

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SSH stops working?
by Skip Gaede 08 Nov '04

08 Nov '04

Hi Folks, I have both Linux and WXP on my home machine and do remote maintenance on a Linux gateway. The linux gateway is configured for doing IPSEC as well as SSH. Some time in the past few months, SSH has ceased to work between both WXP and Linux on my system and the remote gateway. I have not changed anything on either end, as far as I can remember. What's strange is that I can setup an IPSEC tunnel to the gateway, and do SSH to the gateway from the local subnet (my IPSEC IP is 168.192.1.… [View More]

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Re: Announcing the release of Fedora Core 3
by Jeff Kinz 08 Nov '04

08 Nov '04

On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 12:32:40PM -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > If anyone wants FC3, you can get it here: > > http://download.wpi.edu/pub/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/core/3/ > Just downloaded the FC3 ISO's from above. In an effort to pay it forward a few of you can now download them from: http://www.kinz.org/FC3Isos.html discs 2 and 3 are coming. See the Release Notes in the previous email -- Linux/Open Source. Your base belongs to you, free, forever. Idealism:… [View More]

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nvidia & digital (?) output
by Bill Mills-Curran 08 Nov '04

08 Nov '04

Can anyone point me in the right direction for configuring my nvidia card to use the digital output? I just unboxed an LCD monitor, and I'd like to try the digital video. Is it just a reboot? Should I expect much (any?) difference. Thanks, Bill

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[notting@redhat.com: Announcing the release of Fedora Core 3]
by Charles R. Anderson 08 Nov '04

08 Nov '04

If anyone wants FC3, you can get it here: http://download.wpi.edu/pub/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/core/3/ Release Notes below: ----- Forwarded message from Bill Nottingham <notting(a)redhat.com> ----- From: Bill Nottingham <notting(a)redhat.com> To: mirror-list(a)redhat.com Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:13:22 -0500 Subject: Announcing the release of Fedora Core 3 Message-ID: <20041108161322.GA18989(a)nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Precedence: junk Reply-To: mirror-list-d(a)… [View More]

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Mandrake 10.1 Official ISOs
by Brian J. Conway 01 Nov '04

01 Nov '04

Mandrake 10.1 Official is now available for download and/or FTP install, but the ISOs (GPL) won't be available on the mirrors for 3 weeks. I scoured for them and found them here, in case anyone's interested: http://games.gci.net/pub/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrakelinux-10.1-Official/ It took a couple connection attempts (I assume they're limiting connections), but now I have two ISOs maxing out my cable modem at 395 KB/s. Finding the official md5sums and checking the images are an exercise left to … [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] Samba PDC Question
by Martin, Eric 30 Oct '04

30 Oct '04

If the install base is NT based, you could use hfnetchk (which SUS is based on) to check, and kixtart to do the grunt work of patching. Eric -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:14 PM To: 'Chuck Haines'; 'Worcester Linux Users Group' Subject: RE: [Wlug] Samba PDC Question Chuck, I'm not sure what versions of windows your have in your install base, however the easiest thing is to just configure them to download and … [View More]

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Linux Photo Printer recommendations
by John Stoffel 28 Oct '04

28 Oct '04

Hi, Does anyone have a recommendation of a good photo printer under Linux? I've heard good things about Epson printers, specifically the 2200 series. I need a printer with USB connection, and good quality output (under Linux, gimp-print?) of pictures/photos. Thanks, John

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RE: [Wlug] Samba PDC Question
by Keller, Tim 28 Oct '04

28 Oct '04

Chuck, I'm not sure what versions of windows your have in your install base, however the easiest thing is to just configure them to download and install the patches themselves. As for the other programs, are these things that have to be "installed" or can they be raw copied out to the machines? If it's the latter, then you could just configure the login script stuff to run a local script that would check to see if it's already been run, if so do nothing, otherwise copy a bunch of files and … [View More]

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Entry Level
by Micheal Bonner 28 Oct '04

28 Oct '04

Hello all .. I am new to this city .. and I was wondering .. i am looking for something entry level in tech.. I have been working as a food manger for soo long and looking for a change .. something that might allow me to learn and grow ... something to get my foot in the door .. i have good knowledge of linux and window .. anything to help .. advice ?

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Samba PDC Question
by Chuck Haines 28 Oct '04

28 Oct '04

Hello all, I'm running Samba 3 as my PDC for a large number of computers. What I'd like to be able to do is push out patches and programs to the computers that are logged into this domain. I know that with SMS and Windoze Active Directory I can do this, however I don't want to use Windows as my PDC. Does anyone know of any software I can use to accomplish this with samba? thanks, Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon … [View More]

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FC3 + weird gui issue...
by Keller, Tim 26 Oct '04

26 Oct '04

I recently upgraded this machine (was running FC2) to FC3 test3. Everything works great, but I noticed one really odd anomaly. If I open up an app, and move it to the second head (this machine has duel monitors and is running Xinerama) it disappears from the task bar. Now if I pick the app up and move it back over to the primary monitor it reappears on the task bar. I've routed through the settings, and nothing *looks* amiss. Anybody got any ideas? Later, Tim.

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gmail invite
by Minkov, Ross 26 Oct '04

26 Oct '04

Anyone got any gmail invites left? Send me one if you do. Thanks, Ross

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G-mail invites
by RV 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

I guess my request might be late, but if yo9u have any invites left, I would love one. Thanks, Rafael

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RE: [Wlug] RH 7.3 ssh glitched after upgrade
by Martin, Eric 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

In /etc/ssh/sshd_config, uncomment the logging lines, and turn logging to debug. That will give you a lot more info. You'll want to turn it off after, as according to the sshd_config man page "Debug violates user's privacy". One thing that just happened to me as I'm typing this: ssh would prompt me for a login, but wouldn't log me in. No log of the event, just dumped me out. I sent SIGHUP to it and everything is fine now. I'm sure you've tried restarting, but weird things happen. Also, … [View More]

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RH 7.3 ssh glitched after upgrade
by Dick Goodman 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

I have four RH 7.3 servers which had not been updated for a loooong time. I just found out about fedoralegacy.org, downloaded yum and did a "yum update" (excluding kernel) on all four systems. Everything seems fine, except.... when I log in between servers with ssh (any combination) I get two lines in the log similar to the following, whereas I used to only get the second one: Oct 19 18:10:08 archive3 sshd(pam_unix)[23780]: authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=NODEVssh ruser=… [View More]

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Re: [Wlug] mounting a pen drive (usb)
by Ryan Caron 18 Oct '04

18 Oct '04

Assuming you do not have any other usb devices hooked up to your laptop, adding the following line to your /etc/fstab will allow you to mount and use your pen drive as a non-root user: /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 vfat user,noauto,exec 0 0 Using this method, you will have to type "mount /mnt/sda1" when you insert it and "umount /mnt/sda1" when you are done. I cannot stress how important it is to unmount! Failure to do so will either leave your pen drive without the changes … [View More]

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video confrencing
by Karl Hiramoto 18 Oct '04

18 Oct '04

Was wondering if anyone could suggest a USB cam that works well with the video4linux API that will work with http://www.gnomemeeting.org/ Or if you had any other video conferencing SW or HW suggestions? Something both for me to use on linux and for the corprate managemet type of people to use. -- -- Karl Hiramoto karl at hiramoto dot org http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Mobile: 508.517.4819 Work: 978-425-2090

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Gmail invites - any left?
by Joel Desrochers 16 Oct '04

16 Oct '04

Hi, If someone has an extra Gmail invite, I would appreciate one also. Thank you Joel Desrochers _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

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Re:FireFox
by Micheal Bonner 16 Oct '04

16 Oct '04

Hello.. I am trying to make my firefox work with my Thunderbird but I dont understand one thing when you say.... Change the paths to point to this executable shell script: How do you do this ... is this a file or do you do it in konsole and what is the path that you should change it too .. thanks for your help .. and please forgive that i am a newbie

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RE: [Wlug] mounting a pen drive (usb)
by Martin, Eric 15 Oct '04

15 Oct '04

Prob the automounter... There should be a dir /mnt/auto? I know knoppix uses that a lot -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Avedissian [mailto:gma2004@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 12:32 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] mounting a pen drive (usb) SuSE 9.1 will automatically mount and unmount a pen drive, floppy disk or cd. I haven't yet figured out how it does that. Greg Ryan Caron wrote: > Assuming you do not have any other usb devices … [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] NFS question
by Don Peterson 15 Oct '04

15 Oct '04

Jeff, Thanx for the continued feedback and suggestions, RHCM sounds cool but, I've read through some of the bug tracks on it and it sounds like there are some bad corruption problems when using it. It also sounds like there can be a considerable lag in the time it takes for the shares to come up on the secondary server. Are there many people using this in a production environment? Thanx, Don -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] … [View More]On Behalf Of Jeff Moyer Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:48 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: RE: [Wlug] NFS question ==> Regarding RE: [Wlug] NFS question; "John Stoffel" <stoffel(a)lucent.com> adds: Don> Thanx for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use the Red Hat Don> GFS, it requires v3.0 and we cannot upgrade to that yet. stoffel> Since it's open source, can't you get it from stoffel> http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ and see if it will stoffel> install on your systems? Sounds like he wants a supported solution. Don> I have been pushing for it, but Oracle won't give me an definite Don> answer as to whether their apps are certified for RH 3.0. stoffel> That's silly, but very understandable. From looking at your stoffel> corp website, I can see why you're interested in only deploying stoffel> supportable systems, esp in such a production environment. Don> We could go with Veritas' Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC, but Don> that would require considerable change, and no one here knows the software. Don> For the time being I'll probably have to go with a NAS device and Don> make it as redundant as possible. stoffel> I know Veritas. :] And I'm looking for a job. :] Well, I know stoffel> VxVM/VxFS quite well and I've been exposed to their Clustering stoffel> software as well. Good stuff all around. stoffel> But that doesn't solve the question here, which is how to get a stoffel> good reliable NFS file storage (would the storage be on the stoffel> SAN, or local to the server) for a good price. stoffel> Here's a thought, but a pair of cheap 2U servers and install stoffel> RHEL 3.0 along with the GFS filesystem and clustering software. stoffel> Export via NFS to the other servers. If one node goes down, stoffel> you've got a backup and failover. And it would give you stoffel> exposure/experience with RHEL 3.0, GFS and clustering so you stoffel> would be working to migrate the Oracle instances to the same stoffel> type of setup down the road. If you only need to server NFS, then you can do this without GFS. You can use GFS, and it will mean that clients can mount from either server, but it sounds like overkill for this case. You simply want failover of NFS filesystems, and that can be accomplished quite easily with AS 2.1 and RHCM. In fact, you can probably work this into your existing environment without buying any more hardware (and I think without purchasing new software licenses, too). -Jeff _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug [View Less]

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Re: [Wlug] mountng a pen drive (usb)
by Gina Minks 15 Oct '04

15 Oct '04

= How do I get my SanDisk cruzer mini 256 mb pen drive to mount on my Fedora Core 2 laptop? Check to see if the pen has already been recognized by hotplug by checking for an entry in /etc/fstab If there is not an entry there, check to see if the OS recognizes the pen. Lots of places to check.. cat /etc/proc/scsi/scsi you should see: Attached devices: Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: SanDisk Model: Cruzer Mini Rev: 0.1 Type: Direct-Access ANSI … [View More]

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Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11
by Arturo 15 Oct '04

15 Oct '04

Cool, If there are any left I would love g-mail account as well! Arturo On 10/14/04 10:43 AM, "wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org" <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person … [View More]managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: gmail invites (Brett Russ) > 2. Re: gmail invites (JONATHAN BEALL) > 3. RE: gmail invites (Don Peterson) > 4. Re: gmail invites (Casey Rankin) > 5. Re: gmail invites (Casey Rankin) > 6. RE: NFS question (Don Peterson) > 7. mountng a pen drive (usb) (Walt Sawyer) > 8. RE: NFS question (Jeff Moyer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:46:08 -0400 > From: Brett Russ <icycle(a)charter.net> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <416E6700.5080302(a)charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Micheal Bonner wrote: > >> I will Take one if you are handing them out please ... I would love to >> have one .. thanks. just Email what I need to do personal .. if not .. >> then thank you anyway > > Sent! > BR > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:48:54 -0400 > From: "JONATHAN BEALL" <joncbeall(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <BAY2-F41nrrXj7gC2DW00009215(a)hotmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://paramount.ind.wpi.edu/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20041014/8e909c59/a… > chment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:13:18 -0400 > From: "Don Peterson" <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> > Subject: RE: [Wlug] gmail invites > To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <C410352A9903E540B8FBE58DAEDDC0916F162D(a)shomail2k.sterilite.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I would love one too if you guys have any left. > Thanx in advance... > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Brett Russ > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:49 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > > Minkov, Ross wrote: > >> I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? >> >> >> > Sent! > BR > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:20:43 -0400 > From: Casey Rankin <caseyrankin(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <cd5bf44b041014062073122d74(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > sent. > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:48:54 -0400, JONATHAN BEALL > <joncbeall(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> if anyone has an extra it would be greatly appreciated, hotmail is killing >> me lately. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Jonathan Beall >> >> >>> From: Micheal Bonner <BiggDaddyCool(a)peoplepc.com> >>> Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites >>> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:03:03 -0400 >> >> >>> >>> Minkov, Ross wrote: >>> >>>> I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Ross >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Chuck Haines >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:28 PM >>>> To: Worcester Linux Users Group >>>> Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites >>>> >>>> >>>> Yea, I got 8 of them. >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:42:12 -0400, Mike Frysinger >>>> <vapier(a)gentoo.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Wednesday 15 September 2004 06:35 pm, Brett Russ wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I have some to distribute. FCFS, serious inquiries only :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> yeah, i got 6 spare ones too >>>>> -mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I will Take one if you are handing them out please ... I would love >>>> to have one .. thanks. just Email what I need to do personal .. if >>>> not .. then thank you anyway >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:21:27 -0400 > From: Casey Rankin <caseyrankin(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <cd5bf44b041014062112a4e152(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > sent. > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:13:18 -0400, Don Peterson > <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> wrote: >> I would love one too if you guys have any left. >> Thanx in advance... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On >> Behalf Of Brett Russ >> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:49 PM >> To: Worcester Linux Users Group >> Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites >> >> Minkov, Ross wrote: >> >>> I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? >>> >>> >>> >> Sent! >> BR >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:24:49 -0400 > From: "Don Peterson" <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> > Subject: RE: [Wlug] NFS question > To: <jmoyer(a)redhat.com>, "Worcester Linux Users Group" > <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <C410352A9903E540B8FBE58DAEDDC0916F165D(a)shomail2k.sterilite.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Jeff, > Thanx for the continued feedback and suggestions, RHCM sounds cool > but, I've read through some of the bug tracks on it and it sounds like > there are some bad corruption problems when using it. It also sounds > like there can be a considerable lag in the time it takes for the shares > to come up on the secondary server. Are there many people using this in > a production environment? > Thanx, > Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Jeff Moyer > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:48 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: RE: [Wlug] NFS question > > ==> Regarding RE: [Wlug] NFS question; "John Stoffel" > <stoffel(a)lucent.com> adds: > > Don> Thanx for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use the Red Hat > Don> GFS, it requires v3.0 and we cannot upgrade to that yet. > > stoffel> Since it's open source, can't you get it from > stoffel> http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ and see if it will > stoffel> install on your systems? > > Sounds like he wants a supported solution. > > Don> I have been pushing for it, but Oracle won't give me an definite > Don> answer as to whether their apps are certified for RH 3.0. > > stoffel> That's silly, but very understandable. From looking at your > stoffel> corp website, I can see why you're interested in only deploying > > stoffel> supportable systems, esp in such a production environment. > > Don> We could go with Veritas' Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC, but > Don> that would require considerable change, and no one here knows the > software. > Don> For the time being I'll probably have to go with a NAS device and > Don> make it as redundant as possible. > > stoffel> I know Veritas. :] And I'm looking for a job. :] Well, I know > > stoffel> VxVM/VxFS quite well and I've been exposed to their Clustering > stoffel> software as well. Good stuff all around. > > stoffel> But that doesn't solve the question here, which is how to get a > > stoffel> good reliable NFS file storage (would the storage be on the > stoffel> SAN, or local to the server) for a good price. > > stoffel> Here's a thought, but a pair of cheap 2U servers and install > stoffel> RHEL 3.0 along with the GFS filesystem and clustering software. > > stoffel> Export via NFS to the other servers. If one node goes down, > stoffel> you've got a backup and failover. And it would give you > stoffel> exposure/experience with RHEL 3.0, GFS and clustering so you > stoffel> would be working to migrate the Oracle instances to the same > stoffel> type of setup down the road. > > If you only need to server NFS, then you can do this without GFS. You > can use GFS, and it will mean that clients can mount from either server, > but it sounds like overkill for this case. You simply want failover of > NFS filesystems, and that can be accomplished quite easily with AS 2.1 > and RHCM. In fact, you can probably work this into your existing > environment without buying any more hardware (and I think without > purchasing new software licenses, too). > > -Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:55:05 -0400 > From: Walt Sawyer <wsawyer(a)norfolk-county.com> > Subject: [Wlug] mountng a pen drive (usb) > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <1097762105.2591.9.camel(a)localhost.localdomain> > Content-Type: text/plain > > How do I get my SanDisk cruzer mini 256 mb pen drive to mount on my > Fedora Core 2 laptop? > Thanks in advance > Walt > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:09:56 -0400 > From: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> > Subject: RE: [Wlug] NFS question > To: "Don Peterson" <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> > Cc: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <16750.34996.638953.41770(a)segfault.boston.redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > ==> Regarding RE: [Wlug] NFS question; "Don Peterson" > <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> adds: > > dpeterson> Jeff, Thanx for the continued feedback and suggestions, RHCM > dpeterson> sounds cool but, I've read through some of the bug tracks on it > dpeterson> and it sounds like there are some bad corruption problems when > dpeterson> using it. It also sounds like there can be a considerable lag > dpeterson> in the time it takes for the shares to come up on the secondary > dpeterson> server. Are there many people using this in a production > dpeterson> environment? > > Are you certain you are looking at the right product? In bugzilla, query > Product: Red Hat Enterprise Linux > Version: 2.1AS > Component: clumanager > > There are no open bugs. You are probably looking at the clustering > infrastructure related to GFS, which is a very new offerring for Red Hat. > > There are at least hundreds of deployments of AS2.1 and clumanager. As for > the lag, it is, of course, configurable (at least it was last I worked on > it, several years ago). There are a couple of components to this, of > course. First, how long does it take to detect a failure, and second, how > long does it take for application/filesystem recovery. Using a journaled > filesystem, you will see fairly quick recovery times on that end. To > simply failover NFS, you won't be looking at too much overhead. > > The one hardware component you may need to buy would be a fencing device. > > Hope this helps. > > -Jeff > > dpeterson> -----Original Message----- > From> wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > dpeterson> Behalf Of Jeff Moyer > Sent> Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:48 PM > To> Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject> RE: [Wlug] NFS question > > ==> Regarding RE: [Wlug] NFS question; "John Stoffel" >>> stoffel(a)lucent.com> adds: > > Don> Thanx for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use the Red Hat GFS, > Don> it requires v3.0 and we cannot upgrade to that yet. > > stoffel> Since it's open source, can't you get it from > stoffel> http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ and see if it will install > stoffel> on your systems? > > dpeterson> Sounds like he wants a supported solution. > > Don> I have been pushing for it, but Oracle won't give me an definite > Don> answer as to whether their apps are certified for RH 3.0. > > stoffel> That's silly, but very understandable. From looking at your corp > stoffel> website, I can see why you're interested in only deploying > > stoffel> supportable systems, esp in such a production environment. > > Don> We could go with Veritas' Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC, but that > Don> would require considerable change, and no one here knows the > dpeterson> software. > Don> For the time being I'll probably have to go with a NAS device and make > Don> it as redundant as possible. > > stoffel> I know Veritas. :] And I'm looking for a job. :] Well, I know > > stoffel> VxVM/VxFS quite well and I've been exposed to their Clustering > stoffel> software as well. Good stuff all around. > > stoffel> But that doesn't solve the question here, which is how to get a > > stoffel> good reliable NFS file storage (would the storage be on the SAN, > stoffel> or local to the server) for a good price. > > stoffel> Here's a thought, but a pair of cheap 2U servers and install RHEL > stoffel> 3.0 along with the GFS filesystem and clustering software. > > stoffel> Export via NFS to the other servers. If one node goes down, > stoffel> you've got a backup and failover. And it would give you > stoffel> exposure/experience with RHEL 3.0, GFS and clustering so you would > stoffel> be working to migrate the Oracle instances to the same type of > stoffel> setup down the road. > > dpeterson> If you only need to server NFS, then you can do this without > dpeterson> GFS. You can use GFS, and it will mean that clients can mount > dpeterson> from either server, but it sounds like overkill for this case. > dpeterson> You simply want failover of NFS filesystems, and that can be > dpeterson> accomplished quite easily with AS 2.1 and RHCM. In fact, you > dpeterson> can probably work this into your existing environment without > dpeterson> buying any more hardware (and I think without purchasing new > dpeterson> software licenses, too). > > dpeterson> -Jeff _______________________________________________ Wlug > dpeterson> mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http> //mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11 > ************************************ > [View Less]

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Knoppix install question
by Patrick Sawyer 14 Oct '04

14 Oct '04

Howdy, Thanks to everyone who helped with the linux install at the Worcester Computer Co Op. We got alot done. Im working on the "problem children" right now. what was the process for running the install script in knoppix? p

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RE: [Wlug] gmail invites
by Don Peterson 14 Oct '04

14 Oct '04

I would love one too if you guys have any left. Thanx in advance... -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Brett Russ Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:49 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites Minkov, Ross wrote: >I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? > > > Sent! BR _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] gmail invites
by JONATHAN BEALL 14 Oct '04

14 Oct '04

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RE: [Wlug] gmail invites
by Minkov, Ross 14 Oct '04

14 Oct '04

I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? Thanks, Ross -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Haines Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:28 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites Yea, I got 8 of them. Chuck On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:42:12 -0400, Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > On Wednesday 15 September 2004 06:35 pm, Brett Russ wrote: > > … [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] NFS question
by Don Peterson 13 Oct '04

13 Oct '04

Thanx for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use the Red Hat GFS, it requires v3.0 and we cannot upgrade to that yet. I have been pushing for it, but Oracle won't give me an definite answer as to whether their apps are certified for RH 3.0. We could go with Veritas' Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC, but that would require considerable change, and no one here knows the software. For the time being I'll probably have to go with a NAS device and make it as redundant as possible. -----Original … [View More]Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of John Stoffel Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 9:28 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] NFS question Don> I have an Oracle 9i RAC set up consisting of 3 database servers, Don> two apps servers and an EMC Clarion CX700 SAN. The servers are all Don> running Red Hat 2.1, the db servers are at kernel .34 and the apps Don> servers are at .49. I have 5 nfs mount points shared out by the Don> first database server. This is the problem, the fact that you're using NFS in a clustered environment. Have you looked into using a Cluster Filesystem for your needs? Some options would be: http://www.redhat.com/software/rha/gfs/ It even mentions Oracle 9i in the blurb. Don> One mount point is for logs from the database servers (only they Don> connect to it), Why do they all need to log to one filesystem? Can't they log locally and if you want to aggregate the logs, you could rsync them hourly from the servers to a central log host. Don> and the others are for miscellaneous files and storage. We have Don> been doing failover testing, shutting down a database server and Don> seeing if the other two keep processing requests. We have a Don> problem when we shut down the first database server, the one Don> sharing the nfs volumes. The other two servers just hang trying to Don> connect to the shares. I have tried every option in my fstab file Don> to make the servers stop trying to reach the nfs shares if the Don> server is not available, but nothing has worked. Here is one of Don> the lines from the fstab file where I mount a share: Yeah, what you're trying to do isn't going to work without either: 1. moving to a Cluster Filesystem so that all hosts and read/write to the same filesystem on the Clarrion SAN concurrently. 2. moving to a Cluster setup where you have TWO servers in a cluster, and the cluster provides the NFS file service to other servers. 3. Getting a NAS box which provides NFS service to the DB servers and which has the require reliability you need. I personally like NetApps, but they can be pricey. But even with a single head, they're reliable and run well. I had one box with an uptime of almost 500 days. Oh yeah, UPS and Generator backup helps as well. *grin* You could get away with using another cheaper NAS, but since you spent the money on the SAN, why not just use that and GFS to provide the storage you need. Esp if most of the filesystems you provide are read (mostly) then you shouldn't have many problems. John John Stoffel - Senior Unix Systems Administrator - Lucent Technologies stoffel(a)lucent.com - http://www.lucent.com - 978-952-7548 _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug [View Less]

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NFS question
by Don Peterson 13 Oct '04

13 Oct '04

Hello All, I've been a slient member for awhile, now I have a question/problem I hope someone can answer. I have an Oracle 9i RAC set up consisting of 3 database servers, two apps servers and an EMC Clarion CX700 SAN. The servers are all running Red Hat 2.1, the db servers are at kernel .34 and the apps servers are at .49. I have 5 nfs mount points shared out by the first database server. One mount point is for logs from the database servers (only they connect to it), and the others are … [View More]

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Reminder: WLUG meeting Tonight (Wed Oct 13)
by Andy Stewart 13 Oct '04

13 Oct '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, We'll be having a WLUG meeting tonight (Wed Oct 13) at 7:00 PM in the usual place. There isn't a single topic on the agenda, but here's what I'll cover to at least get a discussion started: 1) Update on the install fest with Worcester Computer Co-op, which was held this past Saturday 2) Update on the Linux adult education class I'm teaching 3) GNU FDL license and Debian's critique thereof (this could almost be a meeting by … [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] NFS question
by Don Peterson 12 Oct '04

12 Oct '04

I'm not sync'ing data, all three servers are writing logs to the share constantly (the applcsf share). We didn't buy Veritas volume manager, and we are not running Red Hat 3.0 yet, so I had to go with NFS for a shared file system. Believe me, I wish I didn't have to use NFS. I am looking into buying a NAS device to store the shares on, that way any of the servers can go down and the others won't be affected. But the NAS will still be a single point of failure. -----Original Message----- … [View More]

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WLUG meeting to be moved to a new date
by Andy Stewart 09 Oct '04

09 Oct '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, The WLUG meeting scheduled currently for Thursday, October 14 will not take place. I'm trying to move this meeting to a new date, and when I finalize that, I'll inform the membership. My apologize for doing this so close to the meeting date. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) … [View More]

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Worcester Computer Co-Op
by Patrick Sawyer 09 Oct '04

09 Oct '04

Howdy, This is Patrick from the Worcester Computer Co - Op, as you may or may not know we are holding an install fest on Saturday the 9th, for the purpose of installing Linux on old machines that will be donated to members of the community. This information was sent out by Andy earlier. I can send you more information if anyone needs it. The main purpose of this message is to ask who was planning on attending. You don't need to tell me you can just show up, I just wanted to know. We can use … [View More]

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FireFox
by Micheal Bonner 07 Oct '04

07 Oct '04

Hello.. It is Micheal here.. I am useing Mandrake 10.0 and KDE 3.2 I have FireFox pr 1.0 and ThunderBird .8.. How can I make firefox see Link in ThunderBird and Visa Vera .. I guess I am saying " How do I make FireFox the Default Browser ?" Thanks for your help Micheal C.Bonner Newbie to the Second Power

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Internet service for newbies
by Patrick Sawyer 06 Oct '04

06 Oct '04

This is in regards to the install fest that will be happening Saturday at the Worcester Computer Coop. These machines will be given to people with little computer experience / money. All they need for an Internet service is a very simple dial up. Has anyone tried Net zero for Lindows(linspire) and got it running under Linux? If not can someone recommend a good ISP. The cheaper the better. Thanks Patrick

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Searching for meeting topic
by Andy Stewart 06 Oct '04

06 Oct '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, We have a WLUG meeting coming up in about a week, and as usual, I'm searching for a topic at the last minute. I'll certainly give an update to the group on our work with the Worcester Computer Co-op, but that won't take the whole meeting. I can also discuss some issues in which I've been personally involved with regard to which license to use on free documentation that I have written, but again, that won't take the whole … [View More]

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SuSE Watcher
by Chuck Noyes 06 Oct '04

06 Oct '04

Hi All, I just installed SuSE Server version 9 (my first SuSE installation) and I'd like to use the "Watcher" to get updates automatically, but I can't figure out what the "autorization" window wants. I know it's looking for a username/password pair, but what username/password?? I don't recall creating one, other than the usual 'root' and various users. Is there a "special" username & password that I should've created? Thanks, Chuck

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Mandrake Newbie
by Micheal Bonner 05 Oct '04

05 Oct '04

Hello All . I am new. I am Micheal 34 m ( newly moved to Mass from Florida ) ... I am on Mandrake 10.0 and have been using Linux for only bout a 1 year now. Thank you for letting me in

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RE: [Wlug] WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester
by Martin, Eric 04 Oct '04

04 Oct '04

I can burn a few...Been meaning to do so anyway -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 1:16 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, I visited the Worcester Computer Co-op on Saturday and had a great talk with Patrick Sawyer. There are approximately 15-20 machines that are in need of some TLC. The machines … [View More]range from 100 MHz to just over 1 GHz as far as is known. Once the machines are proven to work and Linux is installed and configured, these machines will find homes with needy families in the neighborhood surrounding the St. Bernard's Church in Worcester. The Worcester Computer Co-op has their lab located within the church building. Patrick and I agreed that a hard drive installation of Knoppix would probably be a reasonable thing to do for several reasons, a) its Debian based, b) it has *everything*, c) the live CD feature, d) its pretty easy to install, e) it pretty easily handles non-English languages. My only concern is to insure that the hard drives on these machine are at least 3-4 GB to accommodate a full Knoppix install. As a backup, I would like at least one other distribution handy in case we get an ornery machine or an undersized hard drive. It would need to have some games, KDE or Gnome, and OpenOffice, at a minimum. Clearly, this isn't a good software selection for a 100MHz machine, so that's another reason to have another distro handy. (I don't think there were more than a couple of machines which were this slow). The event will take place from noon - 4 PM. I'll update the WLUG website shortly with directions and such. I'm looking for volunteers who will be able to attend and who wish to burn a few Knoppix V3.6 CDs. Please contact me before your burn anything or we'll likely end up with way too many CDs. The room where this event will be held is a pretty good size. There will be ample opportunity for unnamed WLUG members to trip on power cords and pull them out mid-installation. :-) Many folks have asked when we'd be having our next install fest - well, this is it! Come on over, have some fun, and help some needy families bridge the digital divide. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBYNx/Hl0iXDssISsRAp0+AKCHXakOcwDzxXM437FolnfpcvPcagCdFx0Q WpAOmbvWVfTPxdeqMg9vbT4= =LTru -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug [View Less]

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RE: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel
by Martin, Eric 04 Oct '04

04 Oct '04

Another thing I just thought of is to check the seperation rollers. They are little blue rollers that make sure you only get one sheet at a time. They should have ridges on them (like treads on a tire) they almost look like veins. If it is relatively smooth, there's your problem. They cost about $5 ea on HPs website -----Original Message----- From: J Schonberg [mailto:schonm@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 4:16 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] USB -> … [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel
by Martin, Eric 04 Oct '04

04 Oct '04

Once should do the trick. There are pickup rollers / d rollers, get a damp cloth (water) and wipe it down...process takes not even a minute. (The only rollers you have to get are the ones that pickup the paper) Also unplug printer first. I know it doesn't have to be said, but hey... -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Homic [mailto:chuck@vvisions.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:01 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at … [View More]

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WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester
by Andy Stewart 04 Oct '04

04 Oct '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, I was recently contacted by Patrick Sawyer, who represents the Worcester Computer Co-op (http://www.worcestercoop.org) He asked me if we would be interested in getting Linux installed on some computers, as well as building up some working computers out of existing parts. I thought this would be a great group event. This event will be on Saturday, October 9th, from noon to 4 PM (http://www.worcestercoop.org/directions.html) … [View More]

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Portmapper using incorrect ports - how to prevent?
by Bob George 02 Oct '04

02 Oct '04

After suffering a power outage, I noticed spamassassin wouldn't start. I'd get: # /etc/init.d/spamassassin restart Restarting SpamAssassin Mail Filter Daemon: No spamd found running; none killed. Could not create INET socket: Address already in use IO::Socket::INET: Address already in use After a bit of checking my configuration, and googling for spamassassin problems, I tried: # lsof -i :783 COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME ypserv 1025 root 5u IPv4 2855 … [View More]

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USB -> Parellel
by Chuck Homic 01 Oct '04

01 Oct '04

Hi, all... I inherited a HP Laserjet 1100 from work, recently. (This model's failure mode is that you have to feed it one page at a time, since if you put multiple sheets in the tray, it will grab anywhere from 5 to 20 at a time.) Anywho, it's a nice sweet printer, especially for the price. I'm using it at work with my WinXP box. However, I'd like to bring it home to use with my laptop. It has a parallel interface, and my slick, modern laptop is lacking this. (And I really don't feel … [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel
by Martin, Eric 01 Oct '04

01 Oct '04

Try wetting the pickup rollers with a moist cloth (it might be a static issue, we run a strict HP printer shop and that's a quick fix) -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Homic [mailto:chuck@vvisions.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:22 PM To: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel Hi, all... I inherited a HP Laserjet 1100 from work, recently. (This model's failure mode is that you have to feed it one page at a time, since if you put multiple sheets in the tray, it will … [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection
by Martin, Eric 01 Oct '04

01 Oct '04

Glad to hear :) -----Original Message----- From: Michael Long [mailto:mlong@datalong.com] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 3:26 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: RE: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection Thanks for the tip. All is well now. > Check Keepalive in > /etc/ssh/sshd-config (on your server machine) > try setting it to 0, although that might give you phantom logins if > you have a shaky connection -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Long [mailto:mlong@… [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection
by Martin, Eric 30 Sep '04

30 Sep '04

Check Keepalive in /etc/ssh/sshd-config (on your server machine) try setting it to 0, although that might give you phantom logins if you have a shaky connection -----Original Message----- From: Michael Long [mailto:mlong@datalong.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:11 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection Hi All, I am using openssh on cygwin along with ssh-tunnel (a pearl script that uses IO and IO::Select) to tunnel through a firewall in order to … [View More]

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Proxy closes connection
by Michael Long 29 Sep '04

29 Sep '04

Hi All, I am using openssh on cygwin along with ssh-tunnel (a pearl script that uses IO and IO::Select) to tunnel through a firewall in order to gain access to my desktop at home. I have noticed that recently the behavior has changed and my connection is broken after 3 seconds of inactivity. How do I, a) find out what is causing the connection to be broken and/or b) keep the connection alive. As long as I am actively feeding commands at the shell prompt the connection stays alive. Tia, Mike

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RE: [Wlug] WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester
by Martin, Eric 29 Sep '04

29 Sep '04

I'm interested. Do they have a preferred distro? -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:18 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group Cc: Patrick Sawyer Subject: [Wlug] WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, I was recently contacted by Patrick Sawyer, who represents the Worcester Computer Co-op (http://www.worcestercoop.org) He asked me if we would be … [View More]

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PHP and .forward
by Chuck Haines 20 Sep '04

20 Sep '04

Here is a question for you PHP fans out there. I'm attemping to create a webpage that will change, delete, create, etc a users .forward file. I want to do it in PHP and was curious if anyone knew of a current php script that would do this for me. I would write it myself, but why re-invent the wheel if I don't have to. Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 -----------------------------------------… [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations
by Martin, Eric 20 Sep '04

20 Sep '04

You Do it Electronics down 128 has an ATX power supply tester for under $10...I also have one if you want to borrow it and Newegg should have one too. All you do is plug it in to your PS Motherboard connector, and flip the switch. If a green light comes on, it's good. It also has test points. -----Original Message----- From: Brett Russ [mailto:icycle@charter.net] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 9:19 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair … [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] Re: Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting?
by Martin, Eric 20 Sep '04

20 Sep '04

Cool, thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:52 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] Re: Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting? Martin, Eric wrote: >Vps? > > Virtual Private Server, using usermode linux (UML) or similar to provide a virtual dedicated host on which I can run as root and configure everything just the way I want it. Ideally with a dedicated IP which I can … [View More]

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Need LSI 1030 IT for SCO 5.0.6
by aramico＠duahati.com 20 Sep '04

20 Sep '04

Friends, Can somebody help me here... I need LSI 103o IT root disk controller driver for SCO 5.0.6 I have a new PC, HP ML 350 G4 that must be installed with SCO 5.0.6 but its said that no root risk controller found. I have done so many things to make it enable, but seem unsuccessful so far. I have download it from the internet and its still not much helpin' me. Thanks Aramico Note : Sorry that its a little bit far from Linux's case.

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FW: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations
by Clint Moyer 18 Sep '04

18 Sep '04

-----Original Message----- From: Martin, Eric [mailto:MartinE@worc.k12.ma.us] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:12 AM To: 'Clint Moyer ' Subject: RE: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations Def, also, what's your video card? If you have a spare PCI video card kicking around I suggest you try that. I had a suped up machine that did that because the power supply wasn't beefy enough...also, do you have a power supply tester? What does the manual / website say about a red light? What'… [View More]

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Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting?
by Bob George 17 Sep '04

17 Sep '04

I'm looking for an inexpensive vps hosting option (UML-based or similar) that will allow me full control over server configuration. Are there any that are recommended? Thanks, - Bob

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RE: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)
by Keller, Tim 17 Sep '04

17 Sep '04

I don't see where hosting would much of a problem at all. The trick is to charge for it. WLUG members who wanted an account on the box would each pay in a couple bucks a month and that money would be used to pay to host the box. If somebody had a decent speakeasy type (allows servers, has decent bandwidth) account, that money could be used to pay the electric bill for the box(s), add capacity, etc. Then you host an webpage,distro respository,irc channel, etc. off of it. Tim. -----Original … [View More]Message----- From: Chuck Haines [mailto:chaines@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:04 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es) I'd definitely be interested, but I agree, hosting would be the big issue. Chuck On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:03:27 -0400, Martin, Eric <martine(a)worc.k12.ma.us> wrote: > I like the idea, could be fun! However, I think hosting would be the > biggest hump... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:55 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites) > > Frank Sweetser wrote: > > >>[...] > >>Is there a benefit to having a gmail account, other than the free > >>space? > > > > Gmail actually is pretty neat. The whole archive and search vs > > folders takes a little getting used to, but I think they implemented > > it pretty nicely. It ends up giving you a very flexible view of your > > email archives. > > > > Oh yeah, and it's about an order of magnitutde faster than any other > > webmail service I've tried =) > > As a long time Linux enthusiast, I've never quite understood the thrill > of having 1GB of my personal data stored on someone else's server, much > less on one that is hosted by a company that -- while mostly playing > nice now -- reserves the right to do whatever with that data later. > > I've also not understood why that would be any more attractive than the > building of a (better, faster, bigger) server of my own, particularly > given the wealth of tools available to us GPL. > > On the BLU list recently, there was much discussion about building a > cluster, but plans stalled when the reality of power and HVAC were > detailed. However, hosting a box or two somewhere didn't seem to be an > issue. > > So... For the tech-minded but still willing to store personal stuff > outside, wouldn't a secure, private (as in gpg) and shared Gmail > alternative make a good LUG project? > > I know many folks are looking for ways to get experience doing > real-world things, and enough of us probably are interested in specific > aspects of this to be involved at varying levels. Others may have > hardware available for dontation. > > So... > 1.) Is there interest in something like this > 2.) Where could it be housed/hosted and what would it cost? > > Advantages I see are: > 1.) A cool LUG project. I haven't heard of anyone doing this, and it > makes for a nice "Gmail? Hah!" response at techie gatherings. > 2.) A good hands-on project for the curious (apache, webmail, gpg/pgp, > spamassassin, system hardening, procmail, php/whatever, mysql, etc.) > 3.) We can address Gmail shortcomings > 4.) We can enhance security and privacy (gpg/pgp, encrypted data and > other options come to mind) > 5.) We can allow users more direct (and effective) spam control > (spamassassin, milters come to mind -- allow each user more control!) > 6.) We can allow POP/IMAP access to/from the server (secure SMTP?) > 7.) A good place to store LUG files etc. (be good now) > 8.) Cool WLUG domain names! > > Disadvantages abound of course: > 1.) Time - Effort to get started, and over the hump > 2.) Money - Hosting primarily > 3.) Support - Who'll fix it > 4.) Scalability - Will it be killed by success? How much room can be > allocated per-user? How big of a box before it buckles? > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug [View Less]

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RE: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)
by Martin, Eric 17 Sep '04

17 Sep '04

I like the idea, could be fun! However, I think hosting would be the biggest hump... -----Original Message----- From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:55 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites) Frank Sweetser wrote: >>[...] >>Is there a benefit to having a gmail account, other than the free >>space? > > Gmail actually is pretty neat. The whole … [View More]archive and search vs > folders takes a little getting used to, but I think they implemented > it pretty nicely. It ends up giving you a very flexible view of your > email archives. > > Oh yeah, and it's about an order of magnitutde faster than any other > webmail service I've tried =) As a long time Linux enthusiast, I've never quite understood the thrill of having 1GB of my personal data stored on someone else's server, much less on one that is hosted by a company that -- while mostly playing nice now -- reserves the right to do whatever with that data later. I've also not understood why that would be any more attractive than the building of a (better, faster, bigger) server of my own, particularly given the wealth of tools available to us GPL. On the BLU list recently, there was much discussion about building a cluster, but plans stalled when the reality of power and HVAC were detailed. However, hosting a box or two somewhere didn't seem to be an issue. So... For the tech-minded but still willing to store personal stuff outside, wouldn't a secure, private (as in gpg) and shared Gmail alternative make a good LUG project? I know many folks are looking for ways to get experience doing real-world things, and enough of us probably are interested in specific aspects of this to be involved at varying levels. Others may have hardware available for dontation. So... 1.) Is there interest in something like this 2.) Where could it be housed/hosted and what would it cost? Advantages I see are: 1.) A cool LUG project. I haven't heard of anyone doing this, and it makes for a nice "Gmail? Hah!" response at techie gatherings. 2.) A good hands-on project for the curious (apache, webmail, gpg/pgp, spamassassin, system hardening, procmail, php/whatever, mysql, etc.) 3.) We can address Gmail shortcomings 4.) We can enhance security and privacy (gpg/pgp, encrypted data and other options come to mind) 5.) We can allow users more direct (and effective) spam control (spamassassin, milters come to mind -- allow each user more control!) 6.) We can allow POP/IMAP access to/from the server (secure SMTP?) 7.) A good place to store LUG files etc. (be good now) 8.) Cool WLUG domain names! Disadvantages abound of course: 1.) Time - Effort to get started, and over the hump 2.) Money - Hosting primarily 3.) Support - Who'll fix it 4.) Scalability - Will it be killed by success? How much room can be allocated per-user? How big of a box before it buckles? _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug [View Less]

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RE: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites)
by JONATHAN BEALL 17 Sep '04

17 Sep '04

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RE: [Wlug] Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting?
by Martin, Eric 17 Sep '04

17 Sep '04

Vps? -----Original Message----- From: Mike Frysinger [mailto:vapier@gentoo.org] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:16 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting? On Friday 17 September 2004 10:12 am, Bob George wrote: > I'm looking for an inexpensive vps hosting option (UML-based or > similar) that will allow me full control over server configuration. Are there any > that are recommended? i use bytemark (www.bytemark.co.uk) … [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)
by Keller, Tim 17 Sep '04

17 Sep '04

There weren't any notes since I did a live demo... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Vadeboncoeur [mailto:mrv@kluge.net] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:23 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: RE: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites) On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, JONATHAN BEALL wrote: JB>Sorry, i missed the last meeting (High Holydays). i was really interested JB>in the Gentoo meeting, and had wanted to ask if anyone in the group is JB>… [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations
by Martin, Eric 17 Sep '04

17 Sep '04

Had the same problem. I needed a 450W power supply. The video card is wicked intensive. I built a machine with similar specs...Try a PCI video card and it should work fine -----Original Message----- From: track(a)trackspace.com [mailto:track@trackspace.com] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 5:30 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations Thank you for all that responded. I'll try to summarize the answers to all the follow-up questions in one … [View More]

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Re: Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations
by Clint Moyer 16 Sep '04

16 Sep '04

The LED is +5V indicator. It's not likely a power supply problem. There are probably fans on the northbridge chip and CPU. Do they spin up? Bad memory can cause all kinds of flaky problems. Do you have a different stick you can try? At the very least, try booting with the DIMM slots empty and see if it behaves differently. If you'd like, contact me off list and I may be able to give it a try. I work for beer. ;) Clint > > From: track(a)trackspace.com > Date: 2004/09/16 Thu PM 05:… [View More]30:21 EDT > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations > > Thank you for all that responded. I'll try to summarize the answers to > all the follow-up questions in one reply. > > When I turn the power on, nothing happens except a red LED on the > motherboard lights up. The CPU fan doesn't spin, the computer doesn't > beep - nothing (so no beeps or POST codes). The weird thing is that when > I turn the power switch off, the LED stays lit for another 5-6 seconds. > I'm not sure if that means anything though... > > In case it matters, the mobo is an Abit NF7 with a single DIMM of 512MB > RAM (Crucial), an AMD Athlon 2400+ processor, an ATI Radeon 9600XT video > card and it's powered by a 400W power supply. I bought all the parts from > New Egg about 7 months ago, put it together and haven't had a single > problem save for this. > > I've tried running it bare bones and moving the DIMM into a different > slot. I have a spare computer, but the connector from the power supply > doesn't seem to have the same plug as the one on my board. I don't have > any extra RAM or a processor to try swapping things out with > unfortunately. > > I've tried Googling the symptoms and the red LED on the mobo to no avail. > It seems the only mention of the red LED problem was answered with the > typical "check your connections, the mobo's fried, etc..." - no real > diagnostics. > > I stopped in at a computer shop on 122A in Holden this afternoon and was > quoted a $35 "bench fee" for taking a look at it and $75/hr to do any > work. Like I said before, all the parts are still under warranty through > New Egg and I'd happily send them back but I need to figure out what's not > working. > > And I realize this is a Linux list and this is kind of off-topic. That > being said, you folks are pretty bright and knowledgable so I figured I'd > throw this out there. I do appreciate all the suggestions/comments so > far. > > Thanks, > Track > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > [View Less]

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gmail invites
by Brett Russ 16 Sep '04

16 Sep '04

I have some to distribute. FCFS, serious inquiries only :-) BR

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Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations
by Clint Moyer 16 Sep '04

16 Sep '04

Start by trying to boot with the bare minimum components. Plug in only the CPU, one stick of RAM, video card, and keyboard. If you get absolutely nothing on the screen, try replacing memory first. > > From: track(a)trackspace.com > Date: 2004/09/15 Wed PM 07:21:44 EDT > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations > > After unpacking my computer during a recent move, I have been having > serious hardware issues. Basically, the … [View More]

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Local service/repair recommendations
by track＠trackspace.com 16 Sep '04

16 Sep '04

After unpacking my computer during a recent move, I have been having serious hardware issues. Basically, the computer won't boot up and the only output I get is a burning red LED on the motherboard when I turn it on. I've checked all the connections, Googled my symptoms and even reinstalled all hardware, piece by piece. Luckily, everything but the processor is under warranty and I don't have a problems RMA'ing something back to NewEgg. I just need to narrow the problem equipment down and I'… [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting
by Martin, Eric 15 Sep '04

15 Sep '04

I'll give a go if its gonna be round table as well -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Caron [mailto:rcaron@WPI.EDU] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:46 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting I too will talk about Gentoo in this round table format. Some lessons learned from my experience with Gentoo over the past year could prevent people from making the same mistakes that I did. Ryan Caron > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:58:28 -0400 > … [View More]

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linux vpn client?
by Keller, Tim 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

I've done the obligatory googling and so far I've come up with snake eyes. I'm looking for a VPN client for linux that'll work with a SecurID. Thanks, Tim.

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Upcoming meeting
by Andy Stewart 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, Our next WLUG meeting will be held on Wednesday, Sept. 15th at 7:00 PM in the Access Grid room at WPI. Directions can be found on the WLUG website. This meeting's topic will be "Gentoo". You can find more info here: http://www.gentoo.org/ We have a couple of people who have volunteered to bring in their Gentoo machines. I would encourage anybody who has used Gentoo to come and teach those of us who are less familiar. Since … [View More]

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VPN Client
by Mike Leo 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

I think this client does support SecurID...its helpfile lists RSA SecurID a few times in the Authentication seccion. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting
by Ryan Caron 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

I too will talk about Gentoo in this round table format. Some lessons learned from my experience with Gentoo over the past year could prevent people from making the same mistakes that I did. Ryan Caron > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:58:28 -0400 > From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> > Subject: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting > To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <200409122058.37105.andystewart(a)comcast.net… [View More]

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WLUG IRC channel
by Charles R. Anderson 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

Come one, come all! Bob George has acquired a new IRC channel for us to replace #wlug which had been abandoned but still controlled by Western LUG, http://www.westernlug.org/. Join us at our new IRC home: Connect to: irc.freenode.net /join #wlug-ma Hope to see some of you soon!

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Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 11, Issue 11
by Ryan Caron 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

I have a laptop that I want to do a Gentoo install on. We could use that for showing a stage3 "fast" install and switch to Mike's small form factor for post-install. I also have a small form factor PC I could bring in that has Gentoo on it if necessary. I think discussing what makes Gentoo unique, its pros and cons, will be great. If we're going to discuss why distro is better (or worse) than other than I say Debian. I say this because the "pretty" distros (SuSe, Mandrake, Fedora) … [View More]are too different for a fair comparison. I also say this because I switched to Gentoo after trying a little bit of Debian. Sincerely, Ryan Caron > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:31:38 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting... > To: andystewart(a)comcast.net, Worcester Linux Users Group > <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <20040910143138.35900.qmail(a)web51309.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I have a recently installed Gentoo on a small form > factor PC i can volunteer...its much easier to carry > around than a big machine is. > > I suspect the meeting would be a begining the Gentoo > install and since there isnt enough time to wait, we > can cut over to an installed system. > > I don't mind sharing what I know, but I know nothing > more then what it looks like at the end. > > Let me know and I can plan to bring this machine in. > > thanks > Mike > > > > --- Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > Wow...time flies...its nearly meeting time again. > > > > Based on what I saw on the mailing list recently, > > I'm wondering if we should > > have a "Gentoo" meeting. Who would like to > > volunteer to do this (it could be > > more than one)? Here is a possible outline: > > > > - what is Gentoo? > > - why Gentoo vs. <pick_another_distro>? > > - demo an install (albeit a "shortcut" with > > everything precompiled) > > - pros / cons > > - cool features! > > > > Perhaps one person could give the group an overview, > > while a couple of other > > people demo other aspects of Gentoo. > > > > To those of you already running Gentoo: does this > > make sense? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Andy > > - -- > > Andy Stewart, Founder > > Worcester Linux Users' Group > > Worcester, MA USA > > http://www.wlug.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > iD8DBQFBQRvPHl0iXDssISsRApljAJ4lUVUWMM/mKWLvXcEtHiwkniWZdACfaID5 > > g9XYdO5QsHdWMmAJUuWuWIk= > > =SQOI > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug [View Less]

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Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 11, Issue 11
by Ryan Caron 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

> Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:31:38 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting... > To: andystewart(a)comcast.net, Worcester Linux Users Group > <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <20040910143138.35900.qmail(a)web51309.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I have a recently installed Gentoo on a small form > factor PC i can volunteer...its much easier to … [View More]carry > around than a big machine is. > > I suspect the meeting would be a begining the Gentoo > install and since there isnt enough time to wait, we > can cut over to an installed system. > > I don't mind sharing what I know, but I know nothing > more then what it looks like at the end. > > Let me know and I can plan to bring this machine in. > > thanks > Mike > > > > --- Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > Wow...time flies...its nearly meeting time again. > > > > Based on what I saw on the mailing list recently, > > I'm wondering if we should > > have a "Gentoo" meeting. Who would like to > > volunteer to do this (it could be > > more than one)? Here is a possible outline: > > > > - what is Gentoo? > > - why Gentoo vs. <pick_another_distro>? > > - demo an install (albeit a "shortcut" with > > everything precompiled) > > - pros / cons > > - cool features! > > > > Perhaps one person could give the group an overview, > > while a couple of other > > people demo other aspects of Gentoo. > > > > To those of you already running Gentoo: does this > > make sense? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Andy > > - -- > > Andy Stewart, Founder > > Worcester Linux Users' Group > > Worcester, MA USA > > http://www.wlug.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > iD8DBQFBQRvPHl0iXDssISsRApljAJ4lUVUWMM/mKWLvXcEtHiwkniWZdACfaID5 > > g9XYdO5QsHdWMmAJUuWuWIk= > > =SQOI > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 11, Issue 11 > ************************************ > > [View Less]

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Upcoming meeting...
by Andy Stewart 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everybody, Wow...time flies...its nearly meeting time again. Based on what I saw on the mailing list recently, I'm wondering if we should have a "Gentoo" meeting. Who would like to volunteer to do this (it could be more than one)? Here is a possible outline: - what is Gentoo? - why Gentoo vs. <pick_another_distro>? - demo an install (albeit a "shortcut" with everything precompiled) - pros / cons - cool features! Perhaps one … [View More]

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NFS Trouble
by Chuck Haines 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

I have an interesting problem that is occuring. I have a /home directory on a file server and I have several login servers that mount this /home directory via NFS. Now this /home directory has a ton of files and directorys (about 2000 user accounts). I noticed that when I perform a copy of a large file ( I tested with a 50 MB file) on a login server from something like /tmp to the NFS mounted /home, the load average on the file server jumps up to over 7, and seems to take forever (around 3-4 … [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] NFS Trouble
by Keller, Tim 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

What's the disk like on the nfs server? If it's all software based RAID, writing is going to be really expensive CPU wise vs. reading. Though even with that said, I can't see where a 50 meg file would put a load of 7 on a box. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Dwight A. Ernest [mailto:dwight@significant.com] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:24 PM To: Chuck Haines; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] NFS Trouble With what options did you mount the volume on the client?… [View More]

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Fwd: [Wlug] NFS Trouble
by Chuck Haines 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

Meant to sent this to the whole list. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:44:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [Wlug] NFS Trouble To: jmoyer(a)redhat.com Server: Kernel = 2.4.21-15.ELsmp nfs-util = 1.0.6-21EL Client: Kernel = 2.4.21-15.ELsmp nfs-util = 1.0.6-21EL Both machines are running RedHat Advance Server 3.0 ( Taroon Update 2). When performing the copy, top on the server loops like this after about 75% of … [View More]the transfer: 13:43:19 up 26 days, 6:05, 2 users, load average: 7.19, 3.30, 1.62 125 processes: 124 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: cpu user nice system irq softirq iowait idle total 0.2% 0.0% 1.6% 0.0% 0.4% 48.3% 49.3% cpu00 0.0% 0.0% 1.6% 0.0% 0.0% 66.6% 31.6% cpu01 0.4% 0.0% 1.6% 0.0% 0.8% 30.0% 67.0% Mem: 2061576k av, 2044428k used, 17148k free, 0k shrd, 351044k buff 1425940k actv, 270704k in_d, 31124k in_c Swap: 1052248k av, 19780k used, 1032468k free 1371100k cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND 24242 bkmcd 15 0 4648 4220 3012 S 0.4 0.2 0:03 1 smbd 165 root 17 0 0 0 0 SW 0.2 0.0 26:10 0 raid5d 4783 root 15 0 0 0 0 DW 0.2 0.0 80:48 0 nfsd 4790 root 15 0 0 0 0 DW 0.2 0.0 80:29 1 nfsd 4788 root 15 0 0 0 0 DW 0.2 0.0 82:35 0 nfsd 4785 root 15 0 0 0 0 DW 0.2 0.0 80:40 0 nfsd 4784 root 15 0 0 0 0 DW 0.2 0.0 81:18 1 nfsd 24515 chaines 15 0 1256 1256 900 R 0.2 0.0 0:00 0 top 1 root 15 0 508 468 448 S 0.0 0.0 0:24 0 init 2 root RT 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 migration/0 As you can see, most of the CPU is in an IO wait state. Hope this helps, Chuck On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:54:28 -0400, Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> wrote: > ==> Regarding [Wlug] NFS Trouble; Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com> adds: > > chaines> I have an interesting problem that is occuring. I have a /home > chaines> directory on a file server and I have several login servers that > chaines> mount this /home directory via NFS. Now this /home directory has > chaines> a ton of files and directorys (about 2000 user accounts). I > chaines> noticed that when I perform a copy of a large file ( I tested with > chaines> a 50 MB file) on a login server from something like /tmp to the > chaines> NFS mounted /home, the load average on the file server jumps up to > chaines> over 7, and seems to take forever (around 3-4 minutes). If I copy > chaines> a large file (once again I tested with 50 MB) from the NFS mounted > chaines> /home to like /tmp on the login server, there is no noticable load > chaines> average increase and it occurs in approximately 10-15 seconds. So > chaines> it seems that writes to the NFS mounted /home are taking longer > chaines> than they should and are spiking the load average. Both the file > chaines> server and the login servers are dual P3's with 2 gigs of ram. > chaines> Has anyone ever seen anything like this, or knows of any solutions > chaines> to this problem? > > Kernel version (client and server)? Version of nfs-utils? What does top > show as taking up CPU when you do the copy and your load average spikes? > > -Jeff > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- [View Less]

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Re: [Wlug] printers
by Son Nguyen 06 Sep '04

06 Sep '04

Charles and all, LPRng is not bad at all. For those who still have it available for use and have been working with it for a while, it works great. For beginners, I forsee the use of CUPS ia an easier learning curves. In my situation, I have to upgrade all of my linux boxes every two years. Sinces cups is built in to the distributions that I am using it is best for me to adapt to the change (as long as it does not disrupt functionality and the way my users works). Last I have checked, … [View More]LPRng is not be updated recently ( I could be wrong). Its just seems to be a bit painful to build LPRng into new distributions that already have working printing solution. >From what I have read so far...some of us are having issues here and there with cups. I guess...luck fo rme...I have not. Sonny >From: Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com> >Reply-To: Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com>, Worcester Linux Users Group<wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: Re: [Wlug] printers >Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:25:48 -0400 > >LPRng is not that bad for a print server. In the ECE dept at WPI, we >use LPRng beause CUPS IMHO is still rather buggy. We've tried >switching over to CUPS on many occasions however have always ran into >a bug that prevents us from performing the switch over. We've also >used CUPS on our other servers to connet to the printer server running >LPRng and have run into some troubles with that, which we have not >using LPRng. > >Chuck > >On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 13:21:45 +0000, Son Nguyen <snguyen(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Don, > > > > I would recommend not using LPRng. It is too old. I understand that CUPS > > seems difficult, but once you understand it, it is the next best thing. In > > my office, I have setup my kickstart to install 300+ printers on all of my > > Redhat Linux V3 Workstation machines (100+). You can configure it via > > console, applet, or even web. Fedora and Redhat has gone that route and I > > believe that others have too. It is much better than LPRng can every be. > > > > Sonny > > > > &gt;From: &quot;Don Peterson&quot; &lt;dpeterson(a)sterilite.com&gt; > > &gt;Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group &lt;wlug(a)mail.wlug.org&gt; > > &gt;To: &quot;Worcester Linux Users Group&quot; &lt;wlug(a)mail.wlug.org&gt; > > &gt;Subject: RE: [Wlug] printers > > &gt;Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:13:56 -0400 > > &gt; > > &gt;Thanx for the reply John. > > &gt;I had looked into CUPS but it looked pretty involved (the install and > > &gt;setup). > > &gt;Maybe I will give LPRng a shot. > > &gt; > > &gt;-----Original Message----- > > &gt;From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > > &gt;Behalf Of John Stoffel > > &gt;Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:51 PM > > &gt;To: Worcester Linux Users Group > > &gt;Subject: Re: [Wlug] printers > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;Don&gt; I've got a quick question about printers. Is there a > > printers.conf > > &gt; > > &gt;Don&gt; file in Red Hat like there is in Solaris (I couldn't find one). > > &gt;Don&gt; Here's my issue: > > &gt; > > &gt;Don&gt; I have 5 servers in a 9i RAC array and I don't want to set up my > > 50 > > &gt; > > &gt;Don&gt; printers on each server. Can anyone suggest a way to > > &quot;copy&quot; > > &gt;Don&gt; the printers I set up on one server to the other 4? > > &gt; > > &gt;Sure, just setup one box as your master, using LPRng. Then you install > > &gt;LPRng on all the client systems with an /etc/printcap sorta like this: > > &gt; > > &gt; # LPRng: /etc/printcap file > > &gt; # > > &gt; # Forward all jobs to the print server > > &gt; # > > &gt; *:force_localhost@:client:rm=printmaster.foo.com > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;Then when you add/delete printers on the server, they appear on the > > &gt;client without any intervention. > > &gt; > > &gt;Now, I can't say I love LPRng, mostly because the Docs are baroque and > > &gt;hard to follow, and the output of various commands is also archane. > > &gt; > > &gt;You might want to look at using CUPS instead, since it's based on and > > &gt;support the Internet Printing Protocol. I use CUPS at home and it's > > &gt;fine. > > &gt; > > &gt;_______________________________________________ > > &gt;Wlug mailing list > > &gt;Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > &gt;http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > &gt; > > &gt;_______________________________________________ > > &gt;Wlug mailing list > > &gt;Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > &gt;http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > >-- >Chuck Haines >chaines(a)gmail.com >------------------------------------------- >Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity >WPI Class of 2005 >------------------------------------------- >AIM: CyberGrex >YIM: CyberGrex_27 >ICQ: 3707881 >------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug [View Less]

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Re: [Wlug] printers
by Son Nguyen 06 Sep '04

06 Sep '04

Keith, >From: Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> >Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: Re: [Wlug] printers >Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:26:53 -0400 > > > From: "Son Nguyen" <snguyen(a)hotmail.com> > > > > I would recommend not using LPRng. It is too old. > >As an old … [View More]codger in training, I take that personally. >You remind me of Perlis's comment on Algol60: > Not perfect, but a big improvement over its successors. > This commend is not meant to insult. Just that almost every distributions are using cups. I have had request from my users that I should retro fit lrpng into my network. Although it is not impossible, it is less versitile than cups. I have not had much problems with both the applets and web based configuration. >I don't even know what LPRng is, I suppose it's the New-Gnu version >of the ancient bin/lpr program, from back in the days when programs >were more prized for working than for having a Web interface. I totally agree. I would rather use the console command instead, but it is nice to have an alternative configuration method for those who are not confortable at the command line. > >My printer is attached to a dual boot machine that now runs >Linux only, with a Samba server so that Diane can print >via the network from her laptop. It worked pretty much >the first time, the main problem being getting the Windows >laptop to notice it. > >I can print from the printer/Linux machine, but when I tried >to use the much-touted CUPS web-based set-up to connect to the >printer from another Linux machine, it went totaly wonky. >Certain buttons sent the browser in an apparent infinite loop. >(By Turing, you can never be sure, but I waited long with no action) >Sometimes it would take me to some crazy random place in the >Internet, to pictures of buildings that had the same name >as my server machine, as though some mad programmer had >rewritten bin/hostname to search Google for its name. > Have you considered connecting the printer to the windows box, share it and then map it via the linux? How about a a dsl router with the network printer capability? I love the external jetdirect parrellel to ethernet device. >It was not high priority, since ftp works and I have to walk >to the printer machine anyway to get the paper, so I quit. > > > I understand that CUPS seems difficult, but once you understand it, > > it is the next best thing. > >At first I thought you were recommending it as second-best, but >maybe "next best" means Best Real Soon Now. > > > In my office, I have setup my kickstart > > to install 300+ printers on all of my Redhat Linux V3 Workstation > > machines (100+). > >Eh? You need 300 printers for 100 workstations? > My offices are in Bedford (MA), McLean (VA), NJ, and Tampa (FL). I have to allow users to printer to any printers on my network for virtual meeting purposes. Sonny > > You can configure it via console, applet, or even web. > >Not me, maybe you can. > > > Fedora and Redhat has gone that route and I believe that > > others have too. It is much better than LPRng can every be. > >Oh, I suppose, but much better can you make something that >does what I used to with "cat scratch.ps >/dev/lp0"? > > -- Keith >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug [View Less]

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vendor recommendation
by Baris Hasdemir 05 Sep '04

05 Sep '04

hi list, Would you guys give me recommendations for a company around Massachusetts selling Linux pre-installed desktop computers at a good price/performance ratio? I would also appreciate Linux pre-installed laptop/notebook sellers are welcome, as well though I think that it is harder to find. Thank you baris

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memtest hangs
by Gregory Avedissian 05 Sep '04

05 Sep '04

I'm testing some DDR ram (one pc2100 and one pc2700) in a dell 4500s (1.8GHz Intel) and memtest hangs on the second test - Address Test, Own Address, No Cache. I've tested the sticks together and separately, and the same thing happens. The test just stops after a minute or two, with no error messages and loss of keyboard control. Tested one stick in a different computer, and it tests fine. It's a brand new memory chip. The Dell seems to run slower than I'd expect for a 1.8GHz with 384MB … [View More]

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Where do we eat?
by Carlton C. Stedman II 04 Sep '04

04 Sep '04

> I would have thought that 'Why do we eat?' would be a higher stage > than 'Where do lunch?', but perhaps it is just a matter of taste. > Which question seems more civilized may depend upon whether you > are a French philosopher facing a plate full of jellied liver, > or a film producer facing a starlet. No, no. First off, its a quote from Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy. Second, the idea is that after one finds how to do something, the next step is to ask why … [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] printers
by Son Nguyen 04 Sep '04

04 Sep '04

Don, I would recommend not using LPRng. It is too old. I understand that CUPS seems difficult, but once you understand it, it is the next best thing. In my office, I have setup my kickstart to install 300+ printers on all of my Redhat Linux V3 Workstation machines (100+). You can configure it via console, applet, or even web. Fedora and Redhat has gone that route and I believe that others have too. It is much better than LPRng can every be. Sonny >From: "Don … [View More]Peterson" <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> >Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: RE: [Wlug] printers >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:13:56 -0400 > >Thanx for the reply John. >I had looked into CUPS but it looked pretty involved (the install and >setup). >Maybe I will give LPRng a shot. > >-----Original Message----- >From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On >Behalf Of John Stoffel >Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:51 PM >To: Worcester Linux Users Group >Subject: Re: [Wlug] printers > > >Don> I've got a quick question about printers. Is there a printers.conf > >Don> file in Red Hat like there is in Solaris (I couldn't find one). >Don> Here's my issue: > >Don> I have 5 servers in a 9i RAC array and I don't want to set up my 50 > >Don> printers on each server. Can anyone suggest a way to "copy" >Don> the printers I set up on one server to the other 4? > >Sure, just setup one box as your master, using LPRng. Then you install >LPRng on all the client systems with an /etc/printcap sorta like this: > > # LPRng: /etc/printcap file > # > # Forward all jobs to the print server > # > *:force_localhost@:client:rm=printmaster.foo.com > > >Then when you add/delete printers on the server, they appear on the >client without any intervention. > >Now, I can't say I love LPRng, mostly because the Docs are baroque and >hard to follow, and the output of various commands is also archane. > >You might want to look at using CUPS instead, since it's based on and >support the Internet Printing Protocol. I use CUPS at home and it's >fine. > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug [View Less]

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RE: [Wlug] printers
by Don Peterson 02 Sep '04

02 Sep '04

Thanx for the reply John. I had looked into CUPS but it looked pretty involved (the install and setup). Maybe I will give LPRng a shot. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of John Stoffel Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:51 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] printers Don> I've got a quick question about printers. Is there a printers.conf Don> file in Red Hat like there is in Solaris (I … [View More]

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printers
by Don Peterson 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Hello there, I am new here, and new to Linux. My company is in the middle of a platform migration for our Oracle ERP system. We are moving away from Solaris towards a Intel/Linux solution. I've got a quick question about printers. Is there a printers.conf file in Red Hat like there is in Solaris (I couldn't find one). Here's my issue: I have 5 servers in a 9i RAC array and I don't want to set up my 50 printers on each server. Can anyone suggest a way to "copy" the printers I set up on one … [View More]

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Re: [Wlug] another vote for a future meeting topic
by Ryan Caron 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

No, the install isn't the easiest thing to someone not familar with it, but the Gentoo documentation is quite good. The basic install (known as a stage 1 install) alone can take a fair amount of time since everything has to be compiled. However, you can save time by using what's called a stage 2 install where some of the basic install is precompiled. A stage 3 install is where the entire basic install is already compiled. We would not be able to complete a stage 1 or stage 2 install during … [View More]

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Installing Gentoo
by Carlton C. Stedman II 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

>I have heard way to much about Gentoo to not try it out, but have also heard the install is not so easy. Well, the install is not easy relative to, say, SuSE or Redhat. Its not all automatic and requires you to actually do some work on the command line (setting up the mirrors for portage, optionally configuring the make.conf file to optimize compilation, partioning via good 'ol fdisk, mkfs-ing filesystems, chroot'ing and such) but a printable Quick Install Guide (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/… [View More]

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In Search for Unix / Linux Career
by John Kim Ndungu 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

Folks, I need some help here. I am a Linux / Unix newbie and I am wondering how I can painlessly (although I realize that i must put in a lot of hard work) get a carrer in the Unix / Linux world. I am a CCNA, MCSE, CCSA, N+ and A+ and I am comfortable in the networking field. I am comfortable with the Cisco IOS, Checkpoint as well as the microsoft shit. But after realizing that Microsoft is not my very friendly area, I am leaning towards going into the Linux / Unix world. Where should … [View More]

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Re: [WLUG] Another vote for a future meeting topic
by Phil H 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

Well, you probably couldn't do a Stage 1 install. Seems like you'd have to do like a Stage 3 and use --pkgonly for things like KDE/Gnome/Xorg. That's probably obvious, but thought I'd point it out. And by using --pkgonly, you lose any speed benefits that you could have gained by compiling . . . so it's kind of a catch-22. I guess it depends on the CPU and RAM of the machine, but a Stage 1 install (w/ XF86/KDE) took 4-5 days on my machine. Philip Solo mis dos centavos . . . > Message: 1 &… [View More]

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[Fwd: Cron <root@smoke> root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons]
by Karl Hiramoto 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

I'm getting an error message e-mailed to me by cron.. Any idea how to fix this? /var/cron.log looks OK. 30-Aug-04 15:00 USER root pid 24063 cmd root rm -f /var/spool/cron/lastrun/cron.hourly 30-Aug-04 15:00 USER root pid 24064 cmd root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Cron root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:40:00 -0400 (EDT) From: root(a)smoke.zoop.org (… [View More]

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[Fwd: Cron <root@smoke> root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons]
by Karl Hiramoto 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

same error message, with full headers. Only extra info is the X-Cron-Env variables. and i'm running vixie-cron. -------- Original Message -------- Return-Path: <root(a)smoke.zoop.org> X-Original-To: root Delivered-To: karl(a)smoke.zoop.org Received: by smoke.zoop.org (Postfix) id 361DA10241E2; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: root(a)smoke.zoop.org Received: by smoke.zoop.org (Postfix, from userid 0) id 131E3102401A; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:40:00 -0400 (EDT) … [View More]

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another vote for a future meeting topic
by Mike Leo 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

I have heard way to much about Gentoo to not try it out, but have also heard the install is not so easy. Someone has mentioned it before, but how about an install fest so others can get hands on with different distro installs? just one man's opinion.... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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File Descriptors
by Gary Hanley 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

Hello All, Can anyone point me to a good primer on the top of UNIX file descriptors? We had an issue with them recently at work on a SunOS 5.8 host and we upped the limit from 1024 to 4096 via the /etc/system file. There was some debate as to whether or not it was a good idea. My Google searches implied it *might* not be a good idea in some circumstances but I found no obvious conclusions. I know what they are - I just want to understand the pros and cons of changing the default limit...… [View More]

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computer for sale
by Karl Hiramoto 29 Aug '04

29 Aug '04

I could bring this to the next meeting if anyone is interested. Asking $150 or best offer. Dual boot machine with windows 2000 and Gentoo 2004.2 Dual Processor Pentium Pro 200mhz 17" Viewsonic Monitor with builtin mic and speakers DVD/CDROM dvd mpeg dxr2 decoder PCI card. 256M RAM (EDO 72pin) 20G hard disk (gentoo linux) 6G disk (fat 32) 6G disk (NTFS Windows 2000) 10/100 network card RTL-8139 Promise UDMA 33 PCI card ATI all in wonder (3D rage pro) TV tuner works in windows. … [View More]

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Re: Meeting Topic
by Carlton C. Stedman II 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

Well, I'm just a *lowly student*, but a linux and FOSS enthusiast. I've used (in the following order) Debian, SuSE 7.1, Redhat 8/9, Slackware 9, Gentoo. Gentoo's pretty much stuck and I really like it. As far as 'deploying linux', I'm afraid my extent of that is moving my family members over to linux (work in progress) and friends here at WPI. CCS -- Carlton C. Stedman II, sageman(a)wpi.edu "To iterate is human, to recurse, divine." -- L. Peter Deutch

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Meeting topic
by Mike Leo 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

Thanks to all for letting me attend my first LUG! Dave Walsh from Redhat was a great speaker. I was just thinking about a topic for a future meeting. It was nice to meet all of you, but didn't get to discuss what distro/windows manager you all use, who you work for and how your company is productionalizing linux. We have linux deployed now and I am curious to know how ya'll have done it as noone else I know is using it.....yet! So my suggestion is a 5 minute intro for those who want to … [View More]

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USB webcam
by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org 25 Aug '04

25 Aug '04

I would like to have a working USB webcam for my linux box (Fedora core 1), but I do not know which application support USB devices. Does anyone know? Has anyone tried? Sonny

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REMINDER: Upcoming meeting Thursday
by Andy Stewart 24 Aug '04

24 Aug '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everybody, This is a reminder to you all regarding the upcoming WLUG meeting this coming Thursday, August 26th, at 7:00 PM in the usual place. At this meeting, we'll have Dan Walsh from Red Hat speaking to us about SELinux. More details are on the WLUG website. After the meeting, we'll go out somewhere for some food and perhaps a couple of beers. The Boynton has been pretty full the last couple of times we tried to go there. I'm open … [View More]

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Re: Car for sale
by Sonny Nguyen 24 Aug '04

24 Aug '04

Bob, Perhaps it is one of those special cases like that of www.mini-itx.com where it looks like a car, but really is just a linux computer. Due to the size, this must not be too hard to customize. Where can you put it..I wonder...home office, living room...o...the garage. ha ha Sonny

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fedora core 1 or 2 with lirc remote control program
by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org 23 Aug '04

23 Aug '04

Fyi... Found my solution. Fedora core 1 and lirc only works with v7.0pre4 and lower. In pre5, 6, 7, something is broken to cause ati remote wonder to stop responding. Sonny

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Car for sale
by Karl Hiramoto 23 Aug '04

23 Aug '04

2000 Toyota Celica GT 5 speed manual transmission. under 85,000 Miles, good condition, records of all normal maintenance done. Air Conditioning, Sun/Moon roof, power doors, power locks, 4 wheel anti-lock brakes. CD/Tape/MP3/radio player installed. Lojack anti-theft. Picture At: http://karl.hiramoto.org/photo-album/2004/sale/2000celica4sale-crop.jpg Book retail value is $11K I'm asking $9900 Or Best Offer.. I'm moving. MUST SELL, and I need a car until around September 27th, but I … [View More]

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Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MCE?
by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

Interesting....I see now.....that they do have alot of what I am look for. thanks guys. Sonny

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RE: [Wlug] Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MC E?
by Martin, Eric 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

If I'm not mistaken it does both -----Original Message----- From: sonnyvn(a)linus.mitre.org [mailto:sonnyvn@linus.mitre.org] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:55 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MCE? Brian, If I am not mistaken...MythTV is aimed to be a Tivo alternative (with little work on the section I have mentioned). I am talking about (a) one server that house data or (b) peer to peer network...every machine on that lan can … [View More]

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Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MCE?
by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

Brian, If I am not mistaken...MythTV is aimed to be a Tivo alternative (with little work on the section I have mentioned). I am talking about (a) one server that house data or (b) peer to peer network...every machine on that lan can view each others streaming video (dvd, vcd, and such), audio (mp3 or ogg), and photo (*.jpg etc). what will spawn from this is.... 1) remote control testing on linux 2) tv converters (both software and hardware) 3) customized itx or atx system configuration (www.… [View More]

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Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MCE?
by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

I am assuming that everyone has heard of Windows XP "Media Center Edition". Although this is a great idea, it comes with a price. I am proposing using all open-source applications and OS to build the same functions (video, audio, and photo). Think about it....an open-source solution that will provide support the new movement...linux on the desktop. Please reply if you are interested. =) Sonny Nguyen

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Seeking SuSE 9.1 personal edition
by Andy Stewart 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI all, Does anybody have a copy of SuSE 9.1 *personal* edition? Can you bring it to the next WLUG meeting (no, I'm not roping you into a presentation...)? Please let me know. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBJAJ4Hl0iXDssISsRAoS8AJ9+mR2XvXk/u3NQiqGjgvJ3G2kTEwCfQx0T 2/S0fV2C4zSVC7fFgxf4wq0= =… [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question
by JONATHAN BEALL 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

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RE: [Wlug] Seeking SuSE 9.1 personal edition
by Hemstreet, Jeffrey L (Jeffrey) 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

Also, if you install the personal edition, and you point to the Suse ftp site for updates, it will allow you to install the packages from the pro version. (At least the number of available packages suddenly increase about 4x) A friend of mine showed me this one, but I have not tried it myself. Just wanted to pass it on. jeff -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Andy Stewart Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:29 PM … [View More]

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Installfest/bakeoff
by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

Brian, The only way this would work well is if everyone has the same hardware, install using the same method (cd, nfs, etc), and has a set test procedures to perform. Sonny

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Re: Re: Another distro Question
by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

I know that I have read somewhere that Fedora or Redhat is not a good distribution for beginners. That could have been true in the past.....but Fedora core 1, 2 and even 3test1 along with Redhat V3 WS have evolved a lot lately. I have gotten a lot going on my boxes with little initial knowledge and a lot of documentations. Therefore, I would recommend using a Redhat based OS. It will make it easier to transition to other Redhat-based Linux like Mandrake, Asianux and such. Thus giving you … [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question [offtopic]
by Martin, Eric 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

That would also really come in handy with a lab of identical computers....Have them all run distcc, one would be the master; build the binary package and the rest would grab it... Eric -----Original Message----- From: Mike Frysinger [mailto:vapier@gentoo.org] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:38 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question [offtopic] On Thursday 19 August 2004 09:26 am, gboyce(a)badbelly.com wrote: > Has anyone tried installing Gentoo … [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question
by Martin, Eric 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

Definitly going to pitch choices; after all, that's what linux and Free Software is all about. I'm prob going to go with OpenOffice, seeing as how that's what I'm comfortable with (and I know its capabilities). Def looking for a graphic install (at least to start off with), I don't want to scare people away. As far as KDE v. Gnome, I'm not quite sure. I'm not big on the newest version of MetaCity, and I just installed KDE 3.2.3 on a new box and it looks / feels awesome. I'm probably going … [View More]to lean more towards KDE but show gnome as well. Also covering Firefox, Gaim, and gnuCash. I'm trying to do an intro to computers class with linux. Don't know how it's going to work out but its worth a shot. I want to show people that there is more than the M$ way, (Windows, IE, Outlook Express, Money, etc) I'm open to suggestions of applications to cover keeping with every day tasks (Budgeting, net browsing, email, office type stuff,etc) Eric -----Original Message----- From: JONATHAN BEALL [mailto:joncbeall@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:53 AM To: chaines(a)gmail.com; wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question Gentoo over Slackware for a new user? i think the 3 different types of Gentoo installs, plus the optimiziation steps would absolutely turn off a newbie. if a graphic installer is what you're looking for Redhat, Mandrake, and SuSe have that covered. i'm also a big Mepis fan, they have a great distro with a very simple install. partitioning is most likely going to be a tough sell to windows converts, but anything you can do to keep them away from the nasty windows-wanna-be flavors of linux (like Lindows and Lycoris) will help them in the long run. you said you'd be teaching them mostly GUI features... will you do Gnome or KDE? KOffice or OO.org? So many choices... that's why linux is great -jonathan beall >From: Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com> >Reply-To: Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com>, Worcester Linux Users Group<wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question >Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 05:39:53 -0400 > >Slackware for beginners, ugh, I'd say not. If you want a good >beginners distro, go with Gentoo (though it still has a little >learning curve for installation and setup) or get one of the distro's >that does more for you like Fedora Core 2 (which I'm running and like >a lot), Mandrake or Suse. They make much better beginner friendly >distro's. Remember, you want to make the switchover easier on users, >otherwise they won't make it. IMHO, Slackware would be too hard to >learn for a beginner (but don't get my wrong, I love Slackware, just >not for a beginner). > >Chuck > >On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:32:12 -0400, Frank Rizzo <joe(a)crankhouse.com> wrote: > > > > I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with > > > > the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I > > > > don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for > > > > people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux > > > > feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a > > > > disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend > > > > mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to suggestions, I > > > > want as people to enjoy this class, not think that linux is out of > > > > their grasp. So, the question is what distro would people recommend > > > > for beginners aside from Knoppix? > > > > I would say Slackware would be a good distro to show people Linux. It's simple, > > secure, and stable. It does have the tgz packages, but you dont have to use them. > > The only problem is the install is not as pretty as some of the other distros. > > > > -Joe > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > >-- >Chuck Haines >chaines(a)gmail.com >------------------------------------------- >Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity >WPI Class of 2005 >------------------------------------------- >AIM: CyberGrex >YIM: CyberGrex_27 >ICQ: 3707881 >------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug [View Less]

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RE: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question
by Martin, Eric 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

I've done a Stage3 with GRP (all you do is the kernel with stage3, and GRP is precompilied Oo.O, KDE, gnome). It's quick, it works, but I prefer to use Stage1 and distcc for speed. I like the fact that I can rip kerberos support out, etc. I'm gonna d/l SuSe and Slackware tonight, see what I can see. Eric -----Original Message----- From: gboyce(a)badbelly.com [mailto:gboyce@badbelly.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:27 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Another … [View More]

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Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question
by JONATHAN BEALL 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

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Another distro Question
by Martin, Eric 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to suggestions, I want as people to … [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] Linux Training
by Martin, Eric 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

I agree. HOWTOs have taught me the most out of everything. I'd say take the money that you'd pay for training, and get a few ORA (O'Reilly & Assoc.) books, cd rom bookshelves, or maybe even a Subscription to safari. Reading and doing is my best way. Eric -----Original Message----- From: sonnyvn(a)linus.mitre.org [mailto:sonnyvn@linus.mitre.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 11:54 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Linux Training Mark, In my opinion, classes are always … [View More]out of date. When I first started with HPUX and Solaris, I was sent to classes. Afterward, I have found docs.sun.com and docs.hp.com has even more info than the classes (and they are free). For Linux, the www.linux.org with (www.tldp.org) website(s) have given me 80% of linux knowledge. Depending upon your distributions (mine is Redhat), I have found even more indepth documentations (pdf) from their website to do almost everything my Solaris and HP-UX can do (except Jumpstart and Ignite-UX). Hopes this helps a little. Sonny Nguyen > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Linux Training (Mark Eaton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:54:19 -0400 > From: "Mark Eaton" <meaton(a)sterilite.com> > Subject: [Wlug] Linux Training > To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <C410352A9903E540B8FBE58DAEDDC09147E66B(a)shomail2k.sterilite.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > We are a manufacturing firm located in North Central Mass. We're > converting our Enterprise systems from Unix/Solaris & SUNs to Linux & > Intel's running clustered servers. We are pretty proficient at > Solaris but need to get up to speed on Linux fast. I can't afford to > have people out for 2 or 3 weeks to go to Red Hat for formal training > and that's about all I've found other than "buy our > CD's...". Are there some good intermediate to advanced courses available > in the Greater Worcester area that you would recommend? Thanks for > your help. Mark - meaton1(a)earthlink.net > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 10, Issue 14 > ************************************ > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug [View Less]

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RE: [Wlug] Another distro Question
by Martin, Eric 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

I want to structure it as a more beginners class, more desktop type stuff than shell scripting. Targetting towards regular users who are frustrated with Word, getting virii left and right, etc. Eric -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Robert [mailto:arobert@dhcp-0-7-e9-bc-5c-fc.cpe.townisp.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:24 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Another distro Question Is this course as much about learning Unix/Linux commands or the distribution … [View More]

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Linux Training
by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

Mark, In my opinion, classes are always out of date. When I first started with HPUX and Solaris, I was sent to classes. Afterward, I have found docs.sun.com and docs.hp.com has even more info than the classes (and they are free). For Linux, the www.linux.org with (www.tldp.org) website(s) have given me 80% of linux knowledge. Depending upon your distributions (mine is Redhat), I have found even more indepth documentations (pdf) from their website to do almost everything my Solaris and HP-… [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] Another distro Question
by Martin, Eric 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

What I'm probably going to do is have some older boxes that we can run linux on, but the lab computers I'm going to use Knoppix (to avoid that problem). Also, I was just thinking, are there any good free software packages for disk partitioning to make room for linux if I want to cover dual boots? Iknow there's partition magic for windows, but I wanted something freesoftware / opensource. Eric -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, August … [View More]

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Linux Training
by Mark Eaton 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

We are a manufacturing firm located in North Central Mass. We're converting our Enterprise systems from Unix/Solaris & SUNs to Linux & Intel's running clustered servers. We are pretty proficient at Solaris but need to get up to speed on Linux fast. I can't afford to have people out for 2 or 3 weeks to go to Red Hat for formal training and that's about all I've found other than "buy our CD's...". Are there some good intermediate to advanced courses available in the Greater Worcester … [View More]

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RE: [Wlug] Another distro Question
by Martin, Eric 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

Awesome! Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Brian Waite [mailto:linwoes@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:19 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Another distro Question On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:21:19 -0400, Martin, Eric <martine(a)worc.k12.ma.us> wrote: > What I'm probably going to do is have some older boxes that we can run > linux on, but the lab computers I'm going to use Knoppix (to avoid > that problem). Also, I was just thinking, … [View More]are there any good free > software packages for disk partitioning to make room for linux if I > want to cover dual boots? Iknow there's partition magic for windows, > but I wanted something freesoftware / opensource. > > Eric > Eric, qtparted works great. There is a good HOWTO on the web, whose URL escapes me, that exaplains you to resize NTFS partitions and also recover if something goes wrong. I have resized 2 WinXP disks with any problems. Thanks Brian > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:14 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Another distro Question > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tuesday 17 August 2004 9:04 am, Martin, Eric wrote: > > I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife > > with the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, > > but I don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something > > easy for people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the > > linux feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to > > get into a disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. > > A friend mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to > > suggestions, I want as people to enjoy this class, not think that > > linux is out of their grasp. So, the question is what distro would > > people recommend for beginners aside from Knoppix? > > > > Eric > > HI Eric, > > Are you actually going to be allowed to obliterate the existing hard > drive contents on the computers for this Linux class? If so, that's > actually a good thing! > > I teach an intro course for the Chelmsford Community Education > program, and I'm not allowed to blow away Windows on their hard drives > (shucks...). So, I stick with Knoppix and user level concepts and it > has worked out rather well. > > Later, > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBIoMPHl0iXDssISsRAjhwAJ0dy1gHGR4xp2mECx/P3QsMDVA7BgCfSlmC > 5j7MiYpm0+Hz2AHNX7gXbm8= > =yCuv > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug [View Less]

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Installfest/bakeoff
by Brian Waite 17 Aug '04

17 Aug '04

With this talk of different distros lately, I was wondering if anyone was interested do an installfest and/or a distro bakeoff Where we can all see how each distro install, behaves, and how the HW support is. I for one would enjoy trying to install some distros on random machines. Any thoughts? Thanks Brian

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