January 2022 - WLUG - wlug.mailman3.com

CentOS Stream
by Chuck Anderson 24 Sep '24

24 Sep '24

Here are two emails from the Fedora Development list about what I was just talking about: 1. CentOS Stream as a rolling release *of a stable RHEL branch*. 2. Idea to write an ansible script to upgrade to the point release of packages that RHEL 8.x ship with. ----- Forwarded message from Adam Williamson <adamwill(a)fedoraproject.org> ----- Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2020 08:52:09 -0800 From: Adam Williamson <adamwill(a)fedoraproject.org> To: Development discussions related to Fedora <devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: Re: End of CentOS Linux: What about Fedora? Return-Path: devel-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Precedence: list Reply-To: Development discussions related to Fedora <devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> On Wed, 2020-12-09 at 14:07 +0100, Jaroslav Prokop wrote: > > If I understood the announcement, it would be a kind of CentOS streams > is rolling release or a release with short > release interval. That does not make my job much easier as someone who > just sets up services and leaves it running. It's a rolling release *of a stable RHEL branch*. You're not getting radical new changes if you run CentOS Stream; you're just getting the changes you'd usually get in RHEL stable point releases (e.g. 8.1, 8.2 etc) but getting them early and as they are produced, rather than in periodic lumps). For some folks / maintenance styles this might still be an issue, but it should work OK in quite a lot of cases. It's not like you're running Rawhide. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA IRC: adamw | Twitter: adamw_ha https://www.happyassassin.net _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Gary Buhrmaster <gary.buhrmaster(a)gmail.com> ----- Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 17:08:19 +0000 From: Gary Buhrmaster <gary.buhrmaster(a)gmail.com> To: Development discussions related to Fedora <devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: Re: End of CentOS Linux: What about Fedora? Return-Path: devel-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Precedence: list Reply-To: Development discussions related to Fedora <devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 4:52 PM Adam Williamson <adamwill(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote: > For some folks / maintenance styles this might still be an issue, but > it should work OK in quite a lot of cases. It's not like you're running > Rawhide. For those that want the equivalent of a point release, I would think they should be able to write an ansible script to upgrade to the point release of packages that EL 8.x ship with. A little more work (for someone) to maintain, but I would not be surprised if someone (or a community) decided to take it one. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org ----- End forwarded message -----

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"Emacs for fun and pro fit" posted to WLUG youtube channel.
by Tim Keller 18 Jan '22

18 Jan '22

This is the un-edited raw video, it's fun enough just as it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVy-kMSnaHc The talk starts at: https://youtu.be/cVy-kMSnaHc?t=245 Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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clean Linux install while keeping the same packages installed as before
by Chuck Anderson 16 Jan '22

16 Jan '22

I'm more familiar with Fedora where I do something like this. It should be possible to do the same in Ubuntu with the appropriate apt-get commands. 1. List all packages with their names only (no versions) on both the old system and newly installed system, assuming the new system is booted and the old system is mounted at /mnt/oldroot. Alternatively, do the first command (without the --root parameter) when booted to the old version and save the file somewhere: rpm -qa --qf='%{name}\n' --root=/mnt/oldroot | sort -u > old-pkglist.txt rpm -qa --qf='%{name}\n' | sort -u > new-pkglist.txt 2. Compare the files and save that output: diff -b -U0 {old,new}-pkglist.txt > old-new-diff.txt grep ^- old-new-diff.txt | cut -c2- > missing-from-new.txt grep ^+ old-new-diff.txt | cut -c2- > only-in-new.txt 3. Now go through the list and install what you want. I usually do this step manually rather than using some automated script, since there are many changes I don't necessarily want, such as shared libraries. All I really care about is applications/commands/utilities. I go through the lists, reading the diff in one window and installing stuff I want in another: dnf install a b c d ... and/or this which installs a package and all of its subpackages except development and debug subpackages. This is great when a package has a bunch of plugins I want: dnf --exclude='*devel*' --exclude='*debug*' install foo-\* ... Or you could curate the list, e.g. edit missing-from-new.txt keeping only the lines you care about, then automatically install everything that is in the curated list: cat missing-from-new-curated.txt | xargs dnf -y install > >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 3:47 PM gmcaplan--- via WLUG > >> <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> > >> I was hoping to attend, but it looks like I will not be able to. > >> I hope it will be recorded because I, too, would like to learn about > >> emacs. > >> Also, I have two questions: > >> 1. I am running Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. When I update to ver. 20 or 22, I > >> would prefer to do a "clean" re-install, but I have a question. Does > >> that mean I must get a list of all my installed software and > >> re-install > >> them one at a time after I upgrade the OS? If so, is there an > >> easy way > >> for me to get the list?

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Great meeting last night!
by Tim Keller 15 Jan '22

15 Jan '22

Hey Everybody, The meeting last night was amazing and Kalman showed us was a power emacs users looks like. I've downloaded the video, I'm going to trim it down a bit and upload the video to the wlug youtube account. Once it's uploaded I'll send out the link. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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linux.conf.au
by Lexi Haley 15 Jan '22

15 Jan '22

This is random and literally last minute, but it's day one of Linux.Conf.Au - anyone else virtually attending any sessions? https://linux.conf.au/ Lexi

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Reminder: Virtual Meeting today at 7PM Topic: Emacs awesomeness.
by Tim Keller 13 Jan '22

13 Jan '22

Hey Gang, This is a reminder we've got a meeting today. The presenter is my co-worker, lisp ninja, emacs badass Kalman. Beyond being a emacs wizard, he's also a mainframe guru, a unix/linux guru and is/was deeply involved in the writing/maintaining of the symbolics lisp operating system. Today he's going to show off some of his emacs foo. If you think emacs is an editor of a bygone era when things were more civilized, kalman will likely not change your mind. However, if you want to take your emacs usage to the next level you'll love this talk. If you're totally not into emacs, that's okay, come along for the ride all the same. Expect the usual banter, tangents and fun. We'll also talk about what we'll want todo for the next meeting. See ya at the meeting! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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"apt list --installed" ... even has chrome on Mint...and other raves
by Doug Mildram 13 Jan '22

13 Jan '22

Hi from doug in Maine ...former WPI netops geek, before that a *NIX admin back to when Vax and Sparc were corporate choices (I guess I've gotten over pining for BSD variants). I supported many emacs geeks (sw/hw developers) then, but never adopted emacs in my pea brain. I guess I preferred vi's stupid modes and ESC and ":" , over CTRL-everything? in emacs. Or maybe I got bit by a macro as a child. For some ancient emacs lore...its security hole Way Back Then is lovingly(ha) mentioned in Clifford Stoll's awesome/fun? book "The Cuckoo's Egg". Just to get root, back then. Access via hopping thru dialup 1200baud modems, and a world where security was off-radar to the engineers owning systems. Even MilNet systems. What fun ! Dumb hacker paradise! One fun line from below: What do you feed a Trojan horse ? Oooh, found a 52-page scan of the book at http://nationalsecurity.gmu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Cuckoos-Egg-Read… But as always, I ramble. George: Great question. I "(d)evolved" into a dumb linux Mint user (a great Ubuntu-based distro ..though you gotta choose, Cinnamon,MATE,Xfce. I chose Mate, 20.1 is stable. I forget the why's, but I know it's good with a few beloved windows keyb tricks like ALT-TAB). As a sysadmin responsible for reloading/building systems, I had to fret packages once, .....obviously this was the cat's meow compared to rebuilding from sources and "make". I remember studying our typical < 1000 RedHat packages and feeling like I knew what most of them were. Now I've got > 2000 on Mint, and barely recognize half of them. Today for fun (Thanks Tim), I looked to see... if the one thing I recall needing to install off-package a few years ago = "chrome" showed up in either my sudo logs (nope) or package list. Chrome got into Mint's distros. So my "apt list --installed" output (3mo old desktop load) shows 2028 packages having chosen the "want 3rd party stuff?" install question...so wonderful..so I have both emacsen-common/focal,focal,now 3.0.4 all [installed] and google-chrome-stable/now 91.0.4472.77-1 amd64 [installed,upgradable to: 97.0.4692.71-1] From cmd line, google-chrome (I no longer need on Final side track, I remember years ago saying "amazing...YouTube just works out of box!". Final backtrack...wonder what emacsen-common has, since if I try to launch "emacs" I get Command 'emacs' not found, but can be installed with: sudo apt install e3 # version 1:2.71-2, or sudo apt install emacs-gtk # version 1:26.3+1-1ubuntu2 sudo apt install emacs-lucid # version 1:26.3+1-1ubuntu2 sudo apt install emacs-nox # version 1:26.3+1-1ubuntu2 sudo apt install jove # version 4.17.2.7-1 Pardon my endless rant, hope it doesn't sidetrack today/tonite. I'll be fascinated to see what a recorded session looks like...with chat/comments?

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January 13th 2022 Virtual Meeting! Topic: Using Emacs for fun and pro fit.
by Tim Keller 10 Jan '22

10 Jan '22

Hey Gang! We've got a meeting on Thursday! In light of the recent surge in Omicron (I managed to get exposed on NYE) I'm going to make this month's meeting virtual. Hopefully next month we can get back to our regularly scheduled in person meetings! Date/Time: January 13th 2022 @ 7pm! Location: Our virtual meeting place: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Using Emacs for fun and pro fit! Presenter: Kalman Reti This meeting's guest speaker is my amazing co-worker Kalman Reti. If you've never used emacs or used it for years, you'll love this talk. If you hate emacs, well, there's nothing to be said other than to come along and jeer. Kalman is many things, but one of them is a power user of emacs. He's agreed to show off some of his emacs kung fu. In this talk you'll learn some emacs history, likely some lisp and definitely some tricks. Beyond being an emacs guru, he's also a fountain of knowledge of all things unix/linux and beyond! Along the way, I'm sure we'll engage in our usual banter, side tracks and fun. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Interactive regular expression tutorial
by kstratton＠fastmail.us 07 Jan '22

07 Jan '22

Found this. It might be old news, but I thought it was cool enough to share. https://regexone.com -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us

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