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VMS & CLD's -- a blast from the past
by Bill Mills-Curran 20 Mar '02

20 Mar '02

Many moons ago, I spent my callow youth as a VMS geek and was fairly capable for a mechanical engineer. I got around the Command Language Definition (CLD) compiler (I can't remember the name of the compiler) and learned to appreciate it's flexibility and power. UNIX/linux, etc. has nothing (that I've seen) that even comes close. The reason I bring this up is that a friend of mine has written a spec for an ambitious command line interpreter that has a bit of the flavor of the VMS CLD's. This has led me to wonder if anyone has seen a port of anything like the VMS CLD language to UNIX/linux. I know that the syntax would have to be different because the VMS option "/" would interfere with the *nix directory syntax. Anyone have any suggestions? And yes, I do remember punch cards, keypunches, paper tape, disk drives as big as washing machines, etc. TIA, Bill

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Looking for Linux Sublaptop
by desdinova＠soupforare.net 20 Mar '02

20 Mar '02

Hi all! I know this is probably an odd question to ask the list, but I was wondering if anyone has a (relatively) small laptop they'd like to sell? I'm primarily interested in the Libretto 'CT's, Mitsu Amitys, and Sony Picturebooks. I'd *love* to find a Thinkpad 235, but considering they were never sold here (well, sold here, repackaged, as the Ricoh Magio), I'm not keeping my hopes up. Any help is appreciated, Thanks, James KB1FJQ AIM: Sailor225 | yahoo: bond225

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Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....
by Thomas Carey 20 Mar '02

20 Mar '02

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Outbound email broken
by sgaede＠attbi.com 20 Mar '02

20 Mar '02

Folks, I have an account on AT&T Broadband, and for some reason, my outbound email seems to be broken. I can send email from KDEMail to myself and I get the mail back promptly, but any email sent to a mailing list seems to go into a black hole. I'm sending this from the web-based client at ATTBI.com, so I'm pretty sure this one's going to make it. Can anyone suggest anything I can do to make sure the mail makes it to the other end? Is getting a confirmation receipt the only choice? Thanks, Skip P.S. Additional info: I'm running Mandrake 8.1, with InteractiveBastille for setting up the firewall. I have a private LAN behind the firewall, so it's probably because I didn't answer one of the questions correctly while setting up the firewall. Do I need to enable inbound SMTP connections? I don't think so. (I have a registered IP name, but not a static IP address.)

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RE: [Wlug] RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro
by Keller, Tim 19 Mar '02

19 Mar '02

I think it would be cool if redhat during the install had an option for "optimized for your architecture". In choosing this option, It would run either run a test suite and find the best settings for your machine, or it would have a bunch of custom configs to choose from like "586/586MMX/Athlon/686/etc". It would then spend about a day hand compiling every package for your box and then installing it. Yeah it would be hilariously slow, but you'd end up with a really optimized box. The only danger I could see would be if you find that certain optimizations corrupted things (like gcc/glibc) etc. On a side note, you could have an optimize script that ran post install that you'd just say something like "optimize --all --no=kernel --mode=586MMX ftp://jungle.unc.edu/blah/blah/redhat" or /mnt/cdrom and it would go off, grab the SRPMS and systematically make your machine fully 586MMX optimized, skipping the kernel. Though I'm thinking you'd probably want some order to the way it did it. I would think that you'd want to upgrade gcc and glibc first, since they'll speed things up. Just ideas... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Frank Sweetser [mailto:fs@WPI.EDU] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 18:54 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 05:35:26PM -0500, Josh Huber wrote: > Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > > > Someone please tell me if I'm wrong, because that seems like a > > pretty hackish way to do things. > > Yeah, you're wrong. Please read what I posted, especially: > > "By default, after installing this package, the compilers will behave > normally. However, if the environment variable DEBIAN_BUILDARCH=pentium > is set, they will enter pentium optimized compile mode." Okay, that's not nearly so bad. I still prefer the rpm way, but that's a reasonable solution as well =) -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 18 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | When I have a kid, I want to buy one of those strollers for twins. Then put the kid in and run around, looking frantic. -- Stephen Wright _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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PowerPC board
by Norm Legare 19 Mar '02

19 Mar '02

Hello, Does anyone know where to obtain PowerPC-type development boards. Preferably at hobbyist prices. I am interested in porting Linux to it. Thanks in advance, Norm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/

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fyi - slightly OT
by jeff 19 Mar '02

19 Mar '02

man, times are tough...money's hard... was wondering if any o' you cats know anyone who's hiring. i'm you're all purpose desktop support guy...and yes, i really do like helping end users. mad skillz: installing (name it), some dns, some email, html, javascript, php...blah blah you guys have always been cool and will continue to be i've been out of a job and bummed for like 3 months now...no keyboards or call tickets or programming or teaching or linux classes or anything for me :-( except what i boogie with at home! :-) thanks much -jeff debian freak lover of the RUBY language tech instructor (part-time...and i mean VERY part-time) very stressed/burnt out tecchie who just wants to have fun

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Gentoo Linux Distro
by Chuck Haines 18 Mar '02

18 Mar '02

I figured since I hadn't seen this on the list I'd post it. I recently (and by recent I mean 2 - 3 months) re-installed Linux on my computer. I was a very satisfied Slack8 user but I wanted something more. For one, I wanted a package manager. So I thought I might dabble into Debian (seeing how that is supposedly the premiere distro). But one problem existed, Debian still used binaries. I wanted everything compiled from source so it was optimized for my system (yes, I am a geek and very proud of it). So I went searching for my distro. I searched and searched and just when I thought I wasn't going to find it, I found a distro called Sorcerer linux. WOW, I thought to myself, this does what I wanted. So I downloaded and installed it. I still hate it to this day. So then I continued my search and stubbled upon Gentoo linux on Slashdot. After being disappointed with Sorcerer, I wasn't expecting much, but little to my knowledge this distro would turn out the be the best distro I've ever tried (and I've tried close to 100 distro's of both unix and linux flavor). So I begin my install of Gentoo. Gentoo is still in late beta stages (the 1.0 release is scheduled for mid to late this month). The install was a little rocky, but unlike most linux distro's you can find the authors on their irc channel on opennetworks and they are a tremendous help. I have yet to have a problem that someone in that channel wasn't able to fix. Not to mention, some of the authors went here to WPI as they commented when they saw I was from WPI. This distro has it all. It has an amazing package management system which is simple to use and VERY powerful. Plus is compiles everything from source which means that your system is 100% optimized for your system (and yes it evern recompiles the gcc and stuff so that it is optimized), although you can now use bninaries optimized for i586. Not to mention you compile the kernel at install time so there is no more "stock" kernel business. You can get to business right away. Also, gentoo will only install what you want, making this as small or large of a system as you wish. IMHO, this is the best distro on the "market" today. I have even begun some devlopment for it. Just thought I'd share some thoughts on the newest distro of my liking. If anyone is interested, their website is, http://www.gentoo.org. They can also be found on irc at us.openprojects.net, channel #gentoo. I'm in the channel a lot so look for termleech or termr00t. Thoughts, comments, and flames are welcome. ---------------------- | Chuck Haines | | GDC Webmaster | | chaines(a)wpi.edu | | AOL IM: CyberGrex | ----------------------

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Re: PPC board
by Norm Legare 18 Mar '02

18 Mar '02

Yes, Linux is already ported to PowerPC. I am interested in doing the same port for my benefit. Norm --- wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. PowerPC board (Norm Legare) > 2. Re: PowerPC board (Charles R. Anderson) > 3. dchp timeout (Wesley Allen) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:38:04 -0800 (PST) > From: Norm Legare <normlegare(a)yahoo.com> > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] PowerPC board > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Hello, > > Does anyone know where to obtain PowerPC-type > development boards. Preferably at hobbyist > prices. I am interested in porting Linux to > it. > > Thanks in advance, > Norm > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage > http://sports.yahoo.com/ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:42:01 -0500 > From: "Charles R. Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> > To: wlug(a)wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] PowerPC board > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Not sure, but isn't Linux already ported to PowerPC? > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 05:38:04PM -0800, Norm > Legare wrote: > normlegare> I am interested in porting Linux to it. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / > http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 > A0F9 49BB 5886 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > From: "Wesley Allen" <wallen(a)charter.net> > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:55:52 -0500 > Subject: [Wlug] dchp timeout > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Hi all, the Mandrake default for the dhcp timeout is > VERY > long. I'm trying some documentation about how to > change > the default. Which file is it keep in. somewhere > in the > init files? > > Thanks for any help. > Wes > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug > Digest_______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/

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dchp timeout
by Wesley Allen 18 Mar '02

18 Mar '02

Hi all, the Mandrake default for the dhcp timeout is VERY long. I'm trying some documentation about how to change the default. Which file is it keep in. somewhere in the init files? Thanks for any help. Wes

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