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Re: [WLUG] Another vote for a future meeting topic
by Phil H Aug. 31, 2004

Aug. 31, 2004

Well, you probably couldn't do a Stage 1 install. Seems like you'd have to do like a Stage 3 and use --pkgonly for things like KDE/Gnome/Xorg. That's probably obvious, but thought I'd point it out. And by using --pkgonly, you lose any speed benefits that you could have gained by compiling . . . so it's kind of a catch-22. I guess it depends on the CPU and RAM of the machine, but a Stage 1 install (w/ XF86/KDE) took 4-5 days on my machine. Philip Solo mis dos centavos . . . > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:02:37 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: [Wlug] another vote for a future meeting topic > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <20040830170237.87484.qmail(a)web51310.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I have heard way to much about Gentoo to not try it > out, but have also heard the install is not so easy. > > Someone has mentioned it before, but how about an > install fest so others can get hands on with different > distro installs? > > just one man's opinion.... > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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[Fwd: Cron <root@smoke> root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons]
by Karl Hiramoto Aug. 31, 2004

Aug. 31, 2004

I'm getting an error message e-mailed to me by cron.. Any idea how to fix this? /var/cron.log looks OK. 30-Aug-04 15:00 USER root pid 24063 cmd root rm -f /var/spool/cron/lastrun/cron.hourly 30-Aug-04 15:00 USER root pid 24064 cmd root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Cron root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:40:00 -0400 (EDT) From: root(a)smoke.zoop.org (Cron Daemon) To: root(a)smoke.zoop.org /bin/bash: line 1: root: command not found -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø printk(KERN_DEBUG "%s: BUG... transmitter died. Kicking it.\n",...) linux-2.6.6/drivers/net/acenic.c

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[Fwd: Cron <root@smoke> root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons]
by Karl Hiramoto Aug. 31, 2004

Aug. 31, 2004

same error message, with full headers. Only extra info is the X-Cron-Env variables. and i'm running vixie-cron. -------- Original Message -------- Return-Path: <root(a)smoke.zoop.org> X-Original-To: root Delivered-To: karl(a)smoke.zoop.org Received: by smoke.zoop.org (Postfix) id 361DA10241E2; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: root(a)smoke.zoop.org Received: by smoke.zoop.org (Postfix, from userid 0) id 131E3102401A; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:40:00 -0400 (EDT) From: root(a)smoke.zoop.org (Cron Daemon) To: root(a)smoke.zoop.org Subject: Cron <root@smoke> root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/bash> X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin> X-Cron-Env: <MAILTO=root> X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/> X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=root> Message-Id: <20040831004000.131E3102401A(a)smoke.zoop.org> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:40:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on smoke.zoop.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 /bin/bash: line 1: root: command not found -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø printk(KERN_DEBUG "%s: BUG... transmitter died. Kicking it.\n",...) linux-2.6.6/drivers/net/acenic.c

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another vote for a future meeting topic
by Mike Leo Aug. 30, 2004

Aug. 30, 2004

I have heard way to much about Gentoo to not try it out, but have also heard the install is not so easy. Someone has mentioned it before, but how about an install fest so others can get hands on with different distro installs? just one man's opinion.... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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File Descriptors
by Gary Hanley Aug. 30, 2004

Aug. 30, 2004

Hello All, Can anyone point me to a good primer on the top of UNIX file descriptors? We had an issue with them recently at work on a SunOS 5.8 host and we upped the limit from 1024 to 4096 via the /etc/system file. There was some debate as to whether or not it was a good idea. My Google searches implied it *might* not be a good idea in some circumstances but I found no obvious conclusions. I know what they are - I just want to understand the pros and cons of changing the default limit...and why there are limits in the first place. Thank you for any help! -- Gary

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computer for sale
by Karl Hiramoto Aug. 29, 2004

Aug. 29, 2004

I could bring this to the next meeting if anyone is interested. Asking $150 or best offer. Dual boot machine with windows 2000 and Gentoo 2004.2 Dual Processor Pentium Pro 200mhz 17" Viewsonic Monitor with builtin mic and speakers DVD/CDROM dvd mpeg dxr2 decoder PCI card. 256M RAM (EDO 72pin) 20G hard disk (gentoo linux) 6G disk (fat 32) 6G disk (NTFS Windows 2000) 10/100 network card RTL-8139 Promise UDMA 33 PCI card ATI all in wonder (3D rage pro) TV tuner works in windows. Visioneer Paperport Flat bed Scanner with Parallel port cable interface ISA Creative labs AWE 32 gold sound card with RCA outputs. 2 USB ports floppy keyboard mouse -- -- Karl Hiramoto karl at hiramoto dot org http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Mobile: 508.517.4819 Work: 978-425-2090

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Re: Meeting Topic
by Carlton C. Stedman II Aug. 27, 2004

Aug. 27, 2004

Well, I'm just a *lowly student*, but a linux and FOSS enthusiast. I've used (in the following order) Debian, SuSE 7.1, Redhat 8/9, Slackware 9, Gentoo. Gentoo's pretty much stuck and I really like it. As far as 'deploying linux', I'm afraid my extent of that is moving my family members over to linux (work in progress) and friends here at WPI. CCS -- Carlton C. Stedman II, sageman(a)wpi.edu "To iterate is human, to recurse, divine." -- L. Peter Deutch

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Meeting topic
by Mike Leo Aug. 27, 2004

Aug. 27, 2004

Thanks to all for letting me attend my first LUG! Dave Walsh from Redhat was a great speaker. I was just thinking about a topic for a future meeting. It was nice to meet all of you, but didn't get to discuss what distro/windows manager you all use, who you work for and how your company is productionalizing linux. We have linux deployed now and I am curious to know how ya'll have done it as noone else I know is using it.....yet! So my suggestion is a 5 minute intro for those who want to talk about who you are and how your company is using and support linux. just a thought. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush

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USB webcam
by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org Aug. 25, 2004

Aug. 25, 2004

I would like to have a working USB webcam for my linux box (Fedora core 1), but I do not know which application support USB devices. Does anyone know? Has anyone tried? Sonny

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REMINDER: Upcoming meeting Thursday
by Andy Stewart Aug. 24, 2004

Aug. 24, 2004

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everybody, This is a reminder to you all regarding the upcoming WLUG meeting this coming Thursday, August 26th, at 7:00 PM in the usual place. At this meeting, we'll have Dan Walsh from Red Hat speaking to us about SELinux. More details are on the WLUG website. After the meeting, we'll go out somewhere for some food and perhaps a couple of beers. The Boynton has been pretty full the last couple of times we tried to go there. I'm open to suggestions. See ya there, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBKyrKHl0iXDssISsRAnBXAJ9fUE0PRDg80eAkWK9RrjwVlMVgrgCdGNzv wghO5KN01fbsXx3ZJ8Dm35I= =tkGa -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Car for sale
by Sonny Nguyen Aug. 24, 2004

Aug. 24, 2004

Bob, Perhaps it is one of those special cases like that of www.mini-itx.com where it looks like a car, but really is just a linux computer. Due to the size, this must not be too hard to customize. Where can you put it..I wonder...home office, living room...o...the garage. ha ha Sonny

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fedora core 1 or 2 with lirc remote control program
by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org Aug. 23, 2004

Aug. 23, 2004

Fyi... Found my solution. Fedora core 1 and lirc only works with v7.0pre4 and lower. In pre5, 6, 7, something is broken to cause ati remote wonder to stop responding. Sonny

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Car for sale
by Karl Hiramoto Aug. 23, 2004

Aug. 23, 2004

2000 Toyota Celica GT 5 speed manual transmission. under 85,000 Miles, good condition, records of all normal maintenance done. Air Conditioning, Sun/Moon roof, power doors, power locks, 4 wheel anti-lock brakes. CD/Tape/MP3/radio player installed. Lojack anti-theft. Picture At: http://karl.hiramoto.org/photo-album/2004/sale/2000celica4sale-crop.jpg Book retail value is $11K I'm asking $9900 Or Best Offer.. I'm moving. MUST SELL, and I need a car until around September 27th, but I am flexible on delivery. -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Truth has no special time of its own. Its hour is now -- always. -- Albert Schweitzer

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Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MCE?
by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org Aug. 20, 2004

Aug. 20, 2004

Interesting....I see now.....that they do have alot of what I am look for. thanks guys. Sonny

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RE: [Wlug] Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MC E?
by Martin, Eric Aug. 20, 2004

Aug. 20, 2004

If I'm not mistaken it does both -----Original Message----- From: sonnyvn(a)linus.mitre.org [mailto:sonnyvn@linus.mitre.org] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:55 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MCE? Brian, If I am not mistaken...MythTV is aimed to be a Tivo alternative (with little work on the section I have mentioned). I am talking about (a) one server that house data or (b) peer to peer network...every machine on that lan can view each others streaming video (dvd, vcd, and such), audio (mp3 or ogg), and photo (*.jpg etc). what will spawn from this is.... 1) remote control testing on linux 2) tv converters (both software and hardware) 3) customized itx or atx system configuration (www.mini-itx.com) 4) additions... i) voicemail/fax system ii) games system iii) video survilence system iv) and the list will go on... Sonny _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MCE?
by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org Aug. 20, 2004

Aug. 20, 2004

Brian, If I am not mistaken...MythTV is aimed to be a Tivo alternative (with little work on the section I have mentioned). I am talking about (a) one server that house data or (b) peer to peer network...every machine on that lan can view each others streaming video (dvd, vcd, and such), audio (mp3 or ogg), and photo (*.jpg etc). what will spawn from this is.... 1) remote control testing on linux 2) tv converters (both software and hardware) 3) customized itx or atx system configuration (www.mini-itx.com) 4) additions... i) voicemail/fax system ii) games system iii) video survilence system iv) and the list will go on... Sonny

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Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MCE?
by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org Aug. 20, 2004

Aug. 20, 2004

I am assuming that everyone has heard of Windows XP "Media Center Edition". Although this is a great idea, it comes with a price. I am proposing using all open-source applications and OS to build the same functions (video, audio, and photo). Think about it....an open-source solution that will provide support the new movement...linux on the desktop. Please reply if you are interested. =) Sonny Nguyen

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Seeking SuSE 9.1 personal edition
by Andy Stewart Aug. 20, 2004

Aug. 20, 2004

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI all, Does anybody have a copy of SuSE 9.1 *personal* edition? Can you bring it to the next WLUG meeting (no, I'm not roping you into a presentation...)? Please let me know. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBJAJ4Hl0iXDssISsRAoS8AJ9+mR2XvXk/u3NQiqGjgvJ3G2kTEwCfQx0T 2/S0fV2C4zSVC7fFgxf4wq0= =pmTL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question
by JONATHAN BEALL Aug. 19, 2004

Aug. 19, 2004

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RE: [Wlug] Seeking SuSE 9.1 personal edition
by Hemstreet, Jeffrey L (Jeffrey) Aug. 19, 2004

Aug. 19, 2004

Also, if you install the personal edition, and you point to the Suse ftp site for updates, it will allow you to install the packages from the pro version. (At least the number of available packages suddenly increase about 4x) A friend of mine showed me this one, but I have not tried it myself. Just wanted to pass it on. jeff -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Andy Stewart Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:29 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group Subject: [Wlug] Seeking SuSE 9.1 personal edition -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI all, Does anybody have a copy of SuSE 9.1 *personal* edition? Can you bring it to the next WLUG meeting (no, I'm not roping you into a presentation...)? Please let me know. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBJAJ4Hl0iXDssISsRAoS8AJ9+mR2XvXk/u3NQiqGjgvJ3G2kTEwCfQx0T 2/S0fV2C4zSVC7fFgxf4wq0= =pmTL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Installfest/bakeoff
by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org Aug. 19, 2004

Aug. 19, 2004

Brian, The only way this would work well is if everyone has the same hardware, install using the same method (cd, nfs, etc), and has a set test procedures to perform. Sonny

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Re: Re: Another distro Question
by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org Aug. 19, 2004

Aug. 19, 2004

I know that I have read somewhere that Fedora or Redhat is not a good distribution for beginners. That could have been true in the past.....but Fedora core 1, 2 and even 3test1 along with Redhat V3 WS have evolved a lot lately. I have gotten a lot going on my boxes with little initial knowledge and a lot of documentations. Therefore, I would recommend using a Redhat based OS. It will make it easier to transition to other Redhat-based Linux like Mandrake, Asianux and such. Thus giving you more play room and easier growth. Sonny Nguyen

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RE: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question [offtopic]
by Martin, Eric Aug. 19, 2004

Aug. 19, 2004

That would also really come in handy with a lab of identical computers....Have them all run distcc, one would be the master; build the binary package and the rest would grab it... Eric -----Original Message----- From: Mike Frysinger [mailto:vapier@gentoo.org] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:38 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question [offtopic] On Thursday 19 August 2004 09:26 am, gboyce(a)badbelly.com wrote: > Has anyone tried installing Gentoo using pre-built packages? I know > it's supposed to be possible, but I've never tried it. I'm not sure > how usable it really is. GRP works nicely to get you up and running (ive used it once or twice), but after that the binary package support works pretty nicely ... for example, i have 4 little identical arm machines, and they all share a package directory over NFS ... when one builds a package, the others can update using the binary package that was created ... build once, emerge four times there is also a binary package host feature which i use with my slow routers ... on a central server i run a chroot that mirrors the routers ... i keep that system up-to-date and constantly build binary packages ... then on my routers, i point portage to the ftp server which has all the binary packages and they use that to update -mike _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question
by Martin, Eric Aug. 19, 2004

Aug. 19, 2004

Definitly going to pitch choices; after all, that's what linux and Free Software is all about. I'm prob going to go with OpenOffice, seeing as how that's what I'm comfortable with (and I know its capabilities). Def looking for a graphic install (at least to start off with), I don't want to scare people away. As far as KDE v. Gnome, I'm not quite sure. I'm not big on the newest version of MetaCity, and I just installed KDE 3.2.3 on a new box and it looks / feels awesome. I'm probably going to lean more towards KDE but show gnome as well. Also covering Firefox, Gaim, and gnuCash. I'm trying to do an intro to computers class with linux. Don't know how it's going to work out but its worth a shot. I want to show people that there is more than the M$ way, (Windows, IE, Outlook Express, Money, etc) I'm open to suggestions of applications to cover keeping with every day tasks (Budgeting, net browsing, email, office type stuff,etc) Eric -----Original Message----- From: JONATHAN BEALL [mailto:joncbeall@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:53 AM To: chaines(a)gmail.com; wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question Gentoo over Slackware for a new user? i think the 3 different types of Gentoo installs, plus the optimiziation steps would absolutely turn off a newbie. if a graphic installer is what you're looking for Redhat, Mandrake, and SuSe have that covered. i'm also a big Mepis fan, they have a great distro with a very simple install. partitioning is most likely going to be a tough sell to windows converts, but anything you can do to keep them away from the nasty windows-wanna-be flavors of linux (like Lindows and Lycoris) will help them in the long run. you said you'd be teaching them mostly GUI features... will you do Gnome or KDE? KOffice or OO.org? So many choices... that's why linux is great -jonathan beall >From: Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com> >Reply-To: Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com>, Worcester Linux Users Group<wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question >Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 05:39:53 -0400 > >Slackware for beginners, ugh, I'd say not. If you want a good >beginners distro, go with Gentoo (though it still has a little >learning curve for installation and setup) or get one of the distro's >that does more for you like Fedora Core 2 (which I'm running and like >a lot), Mandrake or Suse. They make much better beginner friendly >distro's. Remember, you want to make the switchover easier on users, >otherwise they won't make it. IMHO, Slackware would be too hard to >learn for a beginner (but don't get my wrong, I love Slackware, just >not for a beginner). > >Chuck > >On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:32:12 -0400, Frank Rizzo <joe(a)crankhouse.com> wrote: > > > > I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with > > > > the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I > > > > don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for > > > > people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux > > > > feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a > > > > disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend > > > > mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to suggestions, I > > > > want as people to enjoy this class, not think that linux is out of > > > > their grasp. So, the question is what distro would people recommend > > > > for beginners aside from Knoppix? > > > > I would say Slackware would be a good distro to show people Linux. It's simple, > > secure, and stable. It does have the tgz packages, but you dont have to use them. > > The only problem is the install is not as pretty as some of the other distros. > > > > -Joe > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > >-- >Chuck Haines >chaines(a)gmail.com >------------------------------------------- >Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity >WPI Class of 2005 >------------------------------------------- >AIM: CyberGrex >YIM: CyberGrex_27 >ICQ: 3707881 >------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question
by Martin, Eric Aug. 19, 2004

Aug. 19, 2004

I've done a Stage3 with GRP (all you do is the kernel with stage3, and GRP is precompilied Oo.O, KDE, gnome). It's quick, it works, but I prefer to use Stage1 and distcc for speed. I like the fact that I can rip kerberos support out, etc. I'm gonna d/l SuSe and Slackware tonight, see what I can see. Eric -----Original Message----- From: gboyce(a)badbelly.com [mailto:gboyce@badbelly.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:27 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Chuck Haines wrote: > Slackware for beginners, ugh, I'd say not. If you want a good > beginners distro, go with Gentoo (though it still has a little > learning curve for installation and setup) or get one of the distro's > that does more for you like Fedora Core 2 (which I'm running and like > a lot), Mandrake or Suse. They make much better beginner friendly > distro's. Remember, you want to make the switchover easier on users, > otherwise they won't make it. IMHO, Slackware would be too hard to > learn for a beginner (but don't get my wrong, I love Slackware, just > not for a beginner). I consider Gentoo a good learning distribution for people who want to get to know Linux (layouts, etc), but I'm thinking that a course at public schools will probably have low end hardware to work with. I'm not sure how much learning they'll do while they wait for their packages to compile on the older hardware. Glibc itself would take at least a class. Has anyone tried installing Gentoo using pre-built packages? I know it's supposed to be possible, but I've never tried it. I'm not sure how usable it really is. -- Greg Boyce _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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