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Worcester Computer Co-Op
by Patrick Sawyer Oct. 9, 2004

Oct. 9, 2004

Howdy, This is Patrick from the Worcester Computer Co - Op, as you may or may not know we are holding an install fest on Saturday the 9th, for the purpose of installing Linux on old machines that will be donated to members of the community. This information was sent out by Andy earlier. I can send you more information if anyone needs it. The main purpose of this message is to ask who was planning on attending. You don't need to tell me you can just show up, I just wanted to know. We can use all the help you can give! Patrick Sawyer

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FireFox
by Micheal Bonner Oct. 7, 2004

Oct. 7, 2004

Hello.. It is Micheal here.. I am useing Mandrake 10.0 and KDE 3.2 I have FireFox pr 1.0 and ThunderBird .8.. How can I make firefox see Link in ThunderBird and Visa Vera .. I guess I am saying " How do I make FireFox the Default Browser ?" Thanks for your help Micheal C.Bonner Newbie to the Second Power

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Internet service for newbies
by Patrick Sawyer Oct. 6, 2004

Oct. 6, 2004

This is in regards to the install fest that will be happening Saturday at the Worcester Computer Coop. These machines will be given to people with little computer experience / money. All they need for an Internet service is a very simple dial up. Has anyone tried Net zero for Lindows(linspire) and got it running under Linux? If not can someone recommend a good ISP. The cheaper the better. Thanks Patrick

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Searching for meeting topic
by Andy Stewart Oct. 6, 2004

Oct. 6, 2004

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, We have a WLUG meeting coming up in about a week, and as usual, I'm searching for a topic at the last minute. I'll certainly give an update to the group on our work with the Worcester Computer Co-op, but that won't take the whole meeting. I can also discuss some issues in which I've been personally involved with regard to which license to use on free documentation that I have written, but again, that won't take the whole meeting. I'd rather have a single complete topic for the meeting, so if anybody has any ideas and (even better!) wants to volunteer, please let me know. Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBY3HaHl0iXDssISsRAoIbAJ9RkISnXCXANxft2unzZic0h96ywQCgggIM 3iZiXdiymfD2WTt6AvszuSc= =lnN0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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SuSE Watcher
by Chuck Noyes Oct. 6, 2004

Oct. 6, 2004

Hi All, I just installed SuSE Server version 9 (my first SuSE installation) and I'd like to use the "Watcher" to get updates automatically, but I can't figure out what the "autorization" window wants. I know it's looking for a username/password pair, but what username/password?? I don't recall creating one, other than the usual 'root' and various users. Is there a "special" username & password that I should've created? Thanks, Chuck

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Mandrake Newbie
by Micheal Bonner Oct. 5, 2004

Oct. 5, 2004

Hello All . I am new. I am Micheal 34 m ( newly moved to Mass from Florida ) ... I am on Mandrake 10.0 and have been using Linux for only bout a 1 year now. Thank you for letting me in

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RE: [Wlug] WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester
by Martin, Eric Oct. 4, 2004

Oct. 4, 2004

I can burn a few...Been meaning to do so anyway -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 1:16 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, I visited the Worcester Computer Co-op on Saturday and had a great talk with Patrick Sawyer. There are approximately 15-20 machines that are in need of some TLC. The machines range from 100 MHz to just over 1 GHz as far as is known. Once the machines are proven to work and Linux is installed and configured, these machines will find homes with needy families in the neighborhood surrounding the St. Bernard's Church in Worcester. The Worcester Computer Co-op has their lab located within the church building. Patrick and I agreed that a hard drive installation of Knoppix would probably be a reasonable thing to do for several reasons, a) its Debian based, b) it has *everything*, c) the live CD feature, d) its pretty easy to install, e) it pretty easily handles non-English languages. My only concern is to insure that the hard drives on these machine are at least 3-4 GB to accommodate a full Knoppix install. As a backup, I would like at least one other distribution handy in case we get an ornery machine or an undersized hard drive. It would need to have some games, KDE or Gnome, and OpenOffice, at a minimum. Clearly, this isn't a good software selection for a 100MHz machine, so that's another reason to have another distro handy. (I don't think there were more than a couple of machines which were this slow). The event will take place from noon - 4 PM. I'll update the WLUG website shortly with directions and such. I'm looking for volunteers who will be able to attend and who wish to burn a few Knoppix V3.6 CDs. Please contact me before your burn anything or we'll likely end up with way too many CDs. The room where this event will be held is a pretty good size. There will be ample opportunity for unnamed WLUG members to trip on power cords and pull them out mid-installation. :-) Many folks have asked when we'd be having our next install fest - well, this is it! Come on over, have some fun, and help some needy families bridge the digital divide. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBYNx/Hl0iXDssISsRAp0+AKCHXakOcwDzxXM437FolnfpcvPcagCdFx0Q WpAOmbvWVfTPxdeqMg9vbT4= =LTru -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel
by Martin, Eric Oct. 4, 2004

Oct. 4, 2004

Another thing I just thought of is to check the seperation rollers. They are little blue rollers that make sure you only get one sheet at a time. They should have ridges on them (like treads on a tire) they almost look like veins. If it is relatively smooth, there's your problem. They cost about $5 ea on HPs website -----Original Message----- From: J Schonberg [mailto:schonm@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 4:16 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel --- Chuck Homic <chuck(a)vvisions.com> wrote: > Hi, all... > > I inherited a HP Laserjet 1100 from work, recently. (This model's > failure mode is that you have to feed it one page at a time, since if > you put > multiple sheets in the tray, it will grab anywhere from 5 to 20 at > a time.) This is a known problem with a number of the printers in the HP Laserjet series. I currently have A LaserJet 3100 which is a printer/scanner/fax that I love because it's so simple to use. Unfortunately for a number of reasons, it is considered to be a boat anchor -- I.E. there is no linux support and never will be. As for your printer pulling multiple pages, what you need is a little piece of plastic not unlike that of a tab on a file folder. HP used to provide this in a recall that they did. If your printer has not been serviced with this little plastic piece, I don't know where you can get it now. Here's a discussion from 2002 which may be useful : http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/7/6852.html And here's the problem report at HP : http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=bpl06 411 Good luck. Jason. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel
by Martin, Eric Oct. 4, 2004

Oct. 4, 2004

Once should do the trick. There are pickup rollers / d rollers, get a damp cloth (water) and wipe it down...process takes not even a minute. (The only rollers you have to get are the ones that pickup the paper) Also unplug printer first. I know it doesn't have to be said, but hey... -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Homic [mailto:chuck@vvisions.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:01 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 02:10:20PM -0400, Martin, Eric wrote: > Try wetting the pickup rollers with a moist cloth (it might be a > static issue, we run a strict HP printer shop and that's a quick fix) Umm... how often do I do this, exactly? Sounds more annoying than hand-feeding it. :) -Chuck _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester
by Andy Stewart Oct. 4, 2004

Oct. 4, 2004

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, I was recently contacted by Patrick Sawyer, who represents the Worcester Computer Co-op (http://www.worcestercoop.org) He asked me if we would be interested in getting Linux installed on some computers, as well as building up some working computers out of existing parts. I thought this would be a great group event. This event will be on Saturday, October 9th, from noon to 4 PM (http://www.worcestercoop.org/directions.html) This location is 1.6 miles from WPI. Here is a quote from Patrick: ===start quote=== Here at the Worcester Computer Co Op our goal is to make computer technology available to those who cannot afford it. In addition to running a volunteer computer lab and teaching free classes, we take donated computers, install Linux on them, and distribute them to the community. We now have a large amount of computers and our volunteer base (myself included) is not as well versed in linux as we would like to be, or as is needed to complete this project. I am sending this email because we could use some help. Any time you could give would be appreciated. ===end quote=== I'll be visiting with Patrick this coming weekend to get a feel for how many volunteers can be accommodated, what we'll need for CDs, tools, extension cords, etc. Please reply if you are interested in volunteering and available to attend the event. I'll be sending out more details soon. Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBWjdbHl0iXDssISsRApXYAKCFbamjiXAqOYlGQXldbBTJ7fmHtACaA0cR dMnJEmwRb1hAJYGQFolOKbQ= =B6Ua -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Portmapper using incorrect ports - how to prevent?
by Bob George Oct. 2, 2004

Oct. 2, 2004

After suffering a power outage, I noticed spamassassin wouldn't start. I'd get: # /etc/init.d/spamassassin restart Restarting SpamAssassin Mail Filter Daemon: No spamd found running; none killed. Could not create INET socket: Address already in use IO::Socket::INET: Address already in use After a bit of checking my configuration, and googling for spamassassin problems, I tried: # lsof -i :783 COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME ypserv 1025 root 5u IPv4 2855 TCP *:spamd (LISTEN) Apparently ypserv grabbed the spamassassin tcp port 783 before spamd started. I fixed the problem by re-arranging the startup sequences in /etc/rc5.d and restarting everything: # lsof -i | egrep "(ypserv|spamd)" spamd 10626 spamd 5u IPv4 44885 TCP localhost:spamd (LISTEN) ypserv 10641 root 4u IPv4 45184 UDP *:643 ypserv 10641 root 5u IPv4 45244 TCP *:646 (LISTEN) I'm wondering if there's a better fix? Is there a way to restrict which ports are used by portmapper? Should I simply change portmap and dependent services to start later/last in the init sequence? - Bob

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USB -> Parellel
by Chuck Homic Oct. 1, 2004

Oct. 1, 2004

Hi, all... I inherited a HP Laserjet 1100 from work, recently. (This model's failure mode is that you have to feed it one page at a time, since if you put multiple sheets in the tray, it will grab anywhere from 5 to 20 at a time.) Anywho, it's a nice sweet printer, especially for the price. I'm using it at work with my WinXP box. However, I'd like to bring it home to use with my laptop. It has a parallel interface, and my slick, modern laptop is lacking this. (And I really don't feel like kicking up my 486 each time I want to print something!) Does anyone have any experience with one of those USB to parallel converter dealies? They seem pretty cheap, but I wonder about driver support and whatnot. The USS720 driver seems to be the only one I can find, I assume that Lucent sells that to anyone making such a device, so it's a matter of finding a list somewhere of devices using that chipset. Any ideas here? Thanks. -Chuck

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RE: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel
by Martin, Eric Oct. 1, 2004

Oct. 1, 2004

Try wetting the pickup rollers with a moist cloth (it might be a static issue, we run a strict HP printer shop and that's a quick fix) -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Homic [mailto:chuck@vvisions.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:22 PM To: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel Hi, all... I inherited a HP Laserjet 1100 from work, recently. (This model's failure mode is that you have to feed it one page at a time, since if you put multiple sheets in the tray, it will grab anywhere from 5 to 20 at a time.) Anywho, it's a nice sweet printer, especially for the price. I'm using it at work with my WinXP box. However, I'd like to bring it home to use with my laptop. It has a parallel interface, and my slick, modern laptop is lacking this. (And I really don't feel like kicking up my 486 each time I want to print something!) Does anyone have any experience with one of those USB to parallel converter dealies? They seem pretty cheap, but I wonder about driver support and whatnot. The USS720 driver seems to be the only one I can find, I assume that Lucent sells that to anyone making such a device, so it's a matter of finding a list somewhere of devices using that chipset. Any ideas here? Thanks. -Chuck _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection
by Martin, Eric Oct. 1, 2004

Oct. 1, 2004

Glad to hear :) -----Original Message----- From: Michael Long [mailto:mlong@datalong.com] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 3:26 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: RE: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection Thanks for the tip. All is well now. > Check Keepalive in > /etc/ssh/sshd-config (on your server machine) > try setting it to 0, although that might give you phantom logins if > you have a shaky connection -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Long [mailto:mlong@datalong.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:11 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection > > > Hi All, > > I am using openssh on cygwin along with ssh-tunnel (a pearl script > that uses IO and > IO::Select) to tunnel through a firewall in order to gain access to my > desktop at home. I have noticed that recently the behavior has changed > and my connection is broken after 3 seconds of inactivity. How do I, > a) find out what is causing the connection to be broken and/or b) keep > the connection alive. As long as I am actively feeding commands at the > shell prompt the connection stays alive. > > Tia, > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection
by Martin, Eric Sept. 30, 2004

Sept. 30, 2004

Check Keepalive in /etc/ssh/sshd-config (on your server machine) try setting it to 0, although that might give you phantom logins if you have a shaky connection -----Original Message----- From: Michael Long [mailto:mlong@datalong.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:11 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection Hi All, I am using openssh on cygwin along with ssh-tunnel (a pearl script that uses IO and IO::Select) to tunnel through a firewall in order to gain access to my desktop at home. I have noticed that recently the behavior has changed and my connection is broken after 3 seconds of inactivity. How do I, a) find out what is causing the connection to be broken and/or b) keep the connection alive. As long as I am actively feeding commands at the shell prompt the connection stays alive. Tia, Mike _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Proxy closes connection
by Michael Long Sept. 29, 2004

Sept. 29, 2004

Hi All, I am using openssh on cygwin along with ssh-tunnel (a pearl script that uses IO and IO::Select) to tunnel through a firewall in order to gain access to my desktop at home. I have noticed that recently the behavior has changed and my connection is broken after 3 seconds of inactivity. How do I, a) find out what is causing the connection to be broken and/or b) keep the connection alive. As long as I am actively feeding commands at the shell prompt the connection stays alive. Tia, Mike

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RE: [Wlug] WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester
by Martin, Eric Sept. 29, 2004

Sept. 29, 2004

I'm interested. Do they have a preferred distro? -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:18 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group Cc: Patrick Sawyer Subject: [Wlug] WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, I was recently contacted by Patrick Sawyer, who represents the Worcester Computer Co-op (http://www.worcestercoop.org) He asked me if we would be interested in getting Linux installed on some computers, as well as building up some working computers out of existing parts. I thought this would be a great group event. This event will be on Saturday, October 9th, from noon to 4 PM (http://www.worcestercoop.org/directions.html) This location is 1.6 miles from WPI. Here is a quote from Patrick: ===start quote=== Here at the Worcester Computer Co Op our goal is to make computer technology available to those who cannot afford it. In addition to running a volunteer computer lab and teaching free classes, we take donated computers, install Linux on them, and distribute them to the community. We now have a large amount of computers and our volunteer base (myself included) is not as well versed in linux as we would like to be, or as is needed to complete this project. I am sending this email because we could use some help. Any time you could give would be appreciated. ===end quote=== I'll be visiting with Patrick this coming weekend to get a feel for how many volunteers can be accommodated, what we'll need for CDs, tools, extension cords, etc. Please reply if you are interested in volunteering and available to attend the event. I'll be sending out more details soon. Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBWjdbHl0iXDssISsRApXYAKCFbamjiXAqOYlGQXldbBTJ7fmHtACaA0cR dMnJEmwRb1hAJYGQFolOKbQ= =B6Ua -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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PHP and .forward
by Chuck Haines Sept. 20, 2004

Sept. 20, 2004

Here is a question for you PHP fans out there. I'm attemping to create a webpage that will change, delete, create, etc a users .forward file. I want to do it in PHP and was curious if anyone knew of a current php script that would do this for me. I would write it myself, but why re-invent the wheel if I don't have to. Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

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RE: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations
by Martin, Eric Sept. 20, 2004

Sept. 20, 2004

You Do it Electronics down 128 has an ATX power supply tester for under $10...I also have one if you want to borrow it and Newegg should have one too. All you do is plug it in to your PS Motherboard connector, and flip the switch. If a green light comes on, it's good. It also has test points. -----Original Message----- From: Brett Russ [mailto:icycle@charter.net] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 9:19 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations track(a)trackspace.com wrote: > Secondly, I jumped the 14 and 15 pins (with a bent paperclip) on the > ATX connector while leaving one HDD (and absolutely nothing else) > plugged in - nothing happened. If I understood you correctly, that > should at least power the HDD up? Are there any other visual/aural > clues that I'm looking for? I'd assume that both the PS fan and the HDD would spin up. You might not hear the HDD spinup, you might have to unmount it and feel for the gyro effect. But without the PS fan spinning, I doubt it's powering the drive. > Should the paperclip get warm assuming there's a current passing > through it? No, there shouldn't be current flowing through the clip. > When I plugged the cord in from the wall into the socket in the back > of the case, I did hear that "click" (for lack of a better word) you > hear when you plug anything into a socket. I know at least the juice > is getting into the box... I don't usually hear a click when plugging in a PS to the wall. Maybe this is a sign that it's bad. > Based on this, would you assume the power supply is the likely culprit > and that the next logical step would be to try testing my hardware on > another ATX power supply? My only concern is that the LED lights up, > which to me would mean the mobo is getting >>>some<<< power. I would definitely try another ATX supply if you can. At this point I am not sure what could be wrong if it's not the PS. BR _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] Re: Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting?
by Martin, Eric Sept. 20, 2004

Sept. 20, 2004

Cool, thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:52 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] Re: Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting? Martin, Eric wrote: >Vps? > > Virtual Private Server, using usermode linux (UML) or similar to provide a virtual dedicated host on which I can run as root and configure everything just the way I want it. Ideally with a dedicated IP which I can point reverse-DNS at. Much more control than with the typical, inexpensive hosting setup (cpanel, etc.) and for not much more per month. - Bob _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Need LSI 1030 IT for SCO 5.0.6
by aramico＠duahati.com Sept. 20, 2004

Sept. 20, 2004

Friends, Can somebody help me here... I need LSI 103o IT root disk controller driver for SCO 5.0.6 I have a new PC, HP ML 350 G4 that must be installed with SCO 5.0.6 but its said that no root risk controller found. I have done so many things to make it enable, but seem unsuccessful so far. I have download it from the internet and its still not much helpin' me. Thanks Aramico Note : Sorry that its a little bit far from Linux's case.

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FW: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations
by Clint Moyer Sept. 18, 2004

Sept. 18, 2004

-----Original Message----- From: Martin, Eric [mailto:MartinE@worc.k12.ma.us] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:12 AM To: 'Clint Moyer ' Subject: RE: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations Def, also, what's your video card? If you have a spare PCI video card kicking around I suggest you try that. I had a suped up machine that did that because the power supply wasn't beefy enough...also, do you have a power supply tester? What does the manual / website say about a red light? What's the manufacturer / model of the mobo? Eric -----Original Message----- From: Clint Moyer To: Worcester Linux Users Group Sent: 9/16/2004 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations Start by trying to boot with the bare minimum components. Plug in only the CPU, one stick of RAM, video card, and keyboard. If you get absolutely nothing on the screen, try replacing memory first. > > From: track(a)trackspace.com > Date: 2004/09/15 Wed PM 07:21:44 EDT > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations > > After unpacking my computer during a recent move, I have been having > serious hardware issues. Basically, the computer won't boot up and the > only output I get is a burning red LED on the motherboard when I turn it > on. I've checked all the connections, Googled my symptoms and even > reinstalled all hardware, piece by piece. Luckily, everything but the > processor is under warranty and I don't have a problems RMA'ing something > back to NewEgg. I just need to narrow the problem equipment down and I'm > the first to admit my lack of hardware knowledge. > > Can someone recommend a local shop that can at least diagnose the issue > and maybe run some hardware tests? Hell, I'd even be glad to pay someone > local on this mailing list to diagnose my problem. > > Anyways, I'm all ears... Thanks! > > --Track > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting?
by Bob George Sept. 17, 2004

Sept. 17, 2004

I'm looking for an inexpensive vps hosting option (UML-based or similar) that will allow me full control over server configuration. Are there any that are recommended? Thanks, - Bob

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RE: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)
by Keller, Tim Sept. 17, 2004

Sept. 17, 2004

I don't see where hosting would much of a problem at all. The trick is to charge for it. WLUG members who wanted an account on the box would each pay in a couple bucks a month and that money would be used to pay to host the box. If somebody had a decent speakeasy type (allows servers, has decent bandwidth) account, that money could be used to pay the electric bill for the box(s), add capacity, etc. Then you host an webpage,distro respository,irc channel, etc. off of it. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Haines [mailto:chaines@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:04 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es) I'd definitely be interested, but I agree, hosting would be the big issue. Chuck On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:03:27 -0400, Martin, Eric <martine(a)worc.k12.ma.us> wrote: > I like the idea, could be fun! However, I think hosting would be the > biggest hump... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:55 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites) > > Frank Sweetser wrote: > > >>[...] > >>Is there a benefit to having a gmail account, other than the free > >>space? > > > > Gmail actually is pretty neat. The whole archive and search vs > > folders takes a little getting used to, but I think they implemented > > it pretty nicely. It ends up giving you a very flexible view of your > > email archives. > > > > Oh yeah, and it's about an order of magnitutde faster than any other > > webmail service I've tried =) > > As a long time Linux enthusiast, I've never quite understood the thrill > of having 1GB of my personal data stored on someone else's server, much > less on one that is hosted by a company that -- while mostly playing > nice now -- reserves the right to do whatever with that data later. > > I've also not understood why that would be any more attractive than the > building of a (better, faster, bigger) server of my own, particularly > given the wealth of tools available to us GPL. > > On the BLU list recently, there was much discussion about building a > cluster, but plans stalled when the reality of power and HVAC were > detailed. However, hosting a box or two somewhere didn't seem to be an > issue. > > So... For the tech-minded but still willing to store personal stuff > outside, wouldn't a secure, private (as in gpg) and shared Gmail > alternative make a good LUG project? > > I know many folks are looking for ways to get experience doing > real-world things, and enough of us probably are interested in specific > aspects of this to be involved at varying levels. Others may have > hardware available for dontation. > > So... > 1.) Is there interest in something like this > 2.) Where could it be housed/hosted and what would it cost? > > Advantages I see are: > 1.) A cool LUG project. I haven't heard of anyone doing this, and it > makes for a nice "Gmail? Hah!" response at techie gatherings. > 2.) A good hands-on project for the curious (apache, webmail, gpg/pgp, > spamassassin, system hardening, procmail, php/whatever, mysql, etc.) > 3.) We can address Gmail shortcomings > 4.) We can enhance security and privacy (gpg/pgp, encrypted data and > other options come to mind) > 5.) We can allow users more direct (and effective) spam control > (spamassassin, milters come to mind -- allow each user more control!) > 6.) We can allow POP/IMAP access to/from the server (secure SMTP?) > 7.) A good place to store LUG files etc. (be good now) > 8.) Cool WLUG domain names! > > Disadvantages abound of course: > 1.) Time - Effort to get started, and over the hump > 2.) Money - Hosting primarily > 3.) Support - Who'll fix it > 4.) Scalability - Will it be killed by success? How much room can be > allocated per-user? How big of a box before it buckles? > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)
by Martin, Eric Sept. 17, 2004

Sept. 17, 2004

I like the idea, could be fun! However, I think hosting would be the biggest hump... -----Original Message----- From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:55 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites) Frank Sweetser wrote: >>[...] >>Is there a benefit to having a gmail account, other than the free >>space? > > Gmail actually is pretty neat. The whole archive and search vs > folders takes a little getting used to, but I think they implemented > it pretty nicely. It ends up giving you a very flexible view of your > email archives. > > Oh yeah, and it's about an order of magnitutde faster than any other > webmail service I've tried =) As a long time Linux enthusiast, I've never quite understood the thrill of having 1GB of my personal data stored on someone else's server, much less on one that is hosted by a company that -- while mostly playing nice now -- reserves the right to do whatever with that data later. I've also not understood why that would be any more attractive than the building of a (better, faster, bigger) server of my own, particularly given the wealth of tools available to us GPL. On the BLU list recently, there was much discussion about building a cluster, but plans stalled when the reality of power and HVAC were detailed. However, hosting a box or two somewhere didn't seem to be an issue. So... For the tech-minded but still willing to store personal stuff outside, wouldn't a secure, private (as in gpg) and shared Gmail alternative make a good LUG project? I know many folks are looking for ways to get experience doing real-world things, and enough of us probably are interested in specific aspects of this to be involved at varying levels. Others may have hardware available for dontation. So... 1.) Is there interest in something like this 2.) Where could it be housed/hosted and what would it cost? Advantages I see are: 1.) A cool LUG project. I haven't heard of anyone doing this, and it makes for a nice "Gmail? Hah!" response at techie gatherings. 2.) A good hands-on project for the curious (apache, webmail, gpg/pgp, spamassassin, system hardening, procmail, php/whatever, mysql, etc.) 3.) We can address Gmail shortcomings 4.) We can enhance security and privacy (gpg/pgp, encrypted data and other options come to mind) 5.) We can allow users more direct (and effective) spam control (spamassassin, milters come to mind -- allow each user more control!) 6.) We can allow POP/IMAP access to/from the server (secure SMTP?) 7.) A good place to store LUG files etc. (be good now) 8.) Cool WLUG domain names! Disadvantages abound of course: 1.) Time - Effort to get started, and over the hump 2.) Money - Hosting primarily 3.) Support - Who'll fix it 4.) Scalability - Will it be killed by success? How much room can be allocated per-user? How big of a box before it buckles? _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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