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Redhat GUI performance
by Hemstreet, Jeffrey L (Jeffrey) 09 May '03

09 May '03

I have a general question about Linux performance... I am running Redhat 8.0 on a Dell 400MHz, 128MB system (OptiPlex) with an 8MB ATI Rage Pro Video card. I have a fairly basic workstation installation, with SSHd, ftpd, telnetd, apached, and a couple other services running. Gnome seems to take forever to open windows/applications. It can be on the order of 10 seconds to a minute for some applications to come up. (Mozilla is one of the worst, even to just bring up a local file as the home page for the browser) Is Gnome just a very slow GUI, or is there something that I can do to speed up my system?? I know of several (5-6) people who have installed RedHat 7.2...8.0 on Dell and Sony systems (all CPU are 866MHz+) with Gnome or KDE and the performance has been very slow in the GUI. Even with a higher end 1.5GHz CPU/512MB RAM system. Is there a Linux distribution that has a standard GUI that is very responsive? Is Redhat just too bulky to run quickly, or do I need to download a better GUI for Redhat? With Windows2000, this system was very responsive, and the other people I know about are running XP, which is so much faster that they run XP most of the time now. Thanks, jeff

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RE: [Wlug] /tmp
by twg3＠attbi.com 09 May '03

09 May '03

Good advice. The X window system amd font server create its unix domain sockets as files under /tmp along with other programs, which will not show up doing "fuser -u /tmp/*". Also do a "netstat -pA" to get a list of all the unix domain sockets and look for files in /tmp. The -p will let you know which program you will break if you delete the socket, but just leave those files alone as they are not taking up any space on the file system, just an inode. > Gregory, > > You'll want to do a "fuser -u /tmp/*" and see what files are currently in > use. If it's currently not in use, it's probably safe to delete. > > Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gregory Avedissian [mailto:avedis@rcn.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 12:14 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] /tmp > > > Is it safe to delete the contents of the /tmp directory to make some > space on the drive? > > Thanks. > > Greg > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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RE: [Wlug] /tmp
by Keller, Tim 08 May '03

08 May '03

Gregory, You'll want to do a "fuser -u /tmp/*" and see what files are currently in use. If it's currently not in use, it's probably safe to delete. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Avedissian [mailto:avedis@rcn.com] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 12:14 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] /tmp Is it safe to delete the contents of the /tmp directory to make some space on the drive? Thanks. Greg _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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/tmp
by Gregory Avedissian 08 May '03

08 May '03

Is it safe to delete the contents of the /tmp directory to make some space on the drive? Thanks. Greg

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SuSE 8.2
by Michael Long 05 May '03

05 May '03

Howdy, I am looking for the zope rpm's, including the source rpm, from the SuSE 8.2 cd's. Would anyone have them? Thanks, Mike

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A bit off topic - phpnuke et al.
by Stephen C. Daukas 01 May '03

01 May '03

I'm posing this question becuase I'm betting some on this list have ventured down the path before me... I'm looking to avoid having to keep up on the latest and greatest web development stuff just to have a useful an interesting site. So, I'm looking for something like phpnuke to convert over to. I am aware of phpnuke, and other similar packages out there. I'm planning on downloading nuke to see what it can and can't do... I wouldn't mind having control over things providing I have the time, but am to the point where I do not want ot have to write code every time I get an idea. I already have a job... So, anyone have a favorite tool, collection of tools, etc., that they would recommend for a person site that supports logins, discussion threads, etc.? Steve

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CD burning question...
by Bill Mills-Curran 01 May '03

01 May '03

If I burn a CD from an ISO, should I be able to duplicate the MD5SUM: md5sum file.iso md5sum /dev/scd0 Right? (I think I'm getting some errors while burning.) Thanks, Bill

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Re: Wlug digest, Vol 1 #576 - 4 msgs
by Arturo 30 Apr '03

30 Apr '03

Cool little set of scripts. They even come with that funky Desktop icon. What a luxury! Working through the scripts though it seems that the USB system does not see the USB device properly. Looking through some posts it looks like there is light at the end of the tunnel. Kernel 2.4.21 will have the updated usbnet patch that will allow communication with the 5600. I expect I'll be able to make some minor mods to the zaurus_check script and it should work like a charm. Thanks! Arturo > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: John Murphy <jfmurphy(a)charter.net> > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Does anyone have experience with the Zaurus 5600 and linux? > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:27:30 -0400 > charset="iso-8859-1" > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > On Sunday 27 April 2003 18:00, Arturo wrote: > > From the looks of it, 5600 connectivity through usbnet is still pretty > > bleeding edge. Has anyone out there gotten the Zaurus SL-5600 connected > > with a linux desktop? > > > > Sharp was not kind in getting compatibility with linux. Anyhow, if > > anyone has any pointers let me know. > > > > Thanks > > Arturo > > I have 5500 with Suse 8.2, sync with Qtopia running the Sharp package. Have > been using right along in Suse 8.1, just installed it the other day with Suse > 8.2. If you have trouble with Linux look at the file zaurus_check-1.0. > > http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=853 > > I would assume it could be helpful in automating the sync with the desktop for > the 5600. Obviously I don't have a 5600 but this is what worked for me with a > 5500. > > > John > > -- > Arturo <wlug(a)sedo.net>

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scanners
by Bill Mills-Curran 30 Apr '03

30 Apr '03

I'm shopping for a linux-compatible scanner, preferrably with USB connectivity. Any suggestions about models and sources? TIA, Bill

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Does anyone have experience with the Zaurus 5600 and linux?
by Arturo 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

>From the looks of it, 5600 connectivity through usbnet is still pretty bleeding edge. Has anyone out there gotten the Zaurus SL-5600 connected with a linux desktop? Sharp was not kind in getting compatibility with linux. Anyhow, if anyone has any pointers let me know. Thanks Arturo -- Arturo <postgres(a)sedo.net>

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FW: [Wlug] A bit off topic - phpnuke et al.
by Brett Russ 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

OOPS, hit ctrl-enter by mistake. Continued below... > I'm anxious to hear anyone's feedback on this issue because I > would like to > break out of the nuke mold because every nuke site pretty much looks and > feels the same. I'm going to look into migrating to Zope. This site lists a bunch of CMS's, see the listings under Open Source: http://www.cmswatch.com/ContentManagement/Products/ I like what I saw so far on Zope, and there have been recent articles about it in Linux Journal (or Magazine...). Example sites here: http://www.zope.org/Resources/ZopePowered BR

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Toshiba e330 + Linux
by Chuck Haines 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

I've had a Toshiba e330 for about 3 months now, however it runs windows and I can't interface it with my linux machine. I was curious if anyone had any information regarding putting linux on one of these babies. I plan to get a wireless card and GPS adaptor for it soon, so how would that affect it. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Chuck -- ==================================== Chuck Haines chaines(a)wpi.edu http://www.linux-xtreme.net ==================================== WPI ECE Systems Administrator WPI Game Development Club Developer WPI Linux Association Lab Manager Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity TKE-IT Systems Administrator ==================================== AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ====================================

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Anyone know anything about midgard?
by Stephen C. Daukas 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

This is a Zope or phpnuke type set-up. it is LAMP-based (Linux, Apache, mySQL, perl/php)... Steve

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RH9 and MySQL
by Bill Smith 24 Apr '03

24 Apr '03

Anyone know off-hand what version(s) of MySQL is available with the RH9 installation? I checked out the RH website, but i didn't get any useful information. I'm looking to see if the latest MySQL release (4.x) is included... Thanks for any information... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com We're all vertebrates here... Show some BACKBONE! * TAG! v3.1 *

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freeswan
by Wes Allen 24 Apr '03

24 Apr '03

Is anyone out there using freeswan? I'm thinking of repeating my wireless network over to my office after my move and I'm thinking of setting up freeswan to encrypt the traffic more tightly on the network when I do. The howto's I've found have been on setting up a vpn between networks, is it possible to set up freeswan to encrypt traffic on a single lan (until sdmca laws make it technically illegal to do so.....). Wes -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

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REMINDER: WLUG Meeting Wed. April 16, 7:00 PM
by Andy Stewart 21 Apr '03

21 Apr '03

HI Everybody, This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting, which will be held on Wednesday, April 16, 2003 at 7:00 PM in Kinnicutt Hall on the WPI campus. At this meeting, WLUG member Tim Keller will discuss how he used open source software to build a Digital Video Recorder (similar in function to the commercially available TiVO device). After the meeting, there will be a free (as in beer) raffle, and a trip to the Boynton Restaurant for pizza and beer. I look forward to seeing you there! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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wireless repeating...
by Wesley Allen 18 Apr '03

18 Apr '03

Hi all, We're MOVING! And now I have an opportunity to learn something new... Where we're going, our house is right next to the Church, and the Church offices are 25 yards from the Church and across the street. The Church is made of stone, the office-building is made of brick. Do you think it's possible to somehow put a repeater in the Church that will extend my wireless network the "last mile" so I can have internet access in my study? If so, what would you recommend? I know I'll have to set up a VPN for all my clients so traffic is in the clear on the network, but what hardware would allow me to do this? Wes -- Wesley Allen <wallen(a)charter.net>

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ati mobility m6
by Baris Hasdemir 16 Apr '03

16 Apr '03

hi Wlug, I have a laptop gateway 450sx4 with a video card, "ATI Technologies Inc. Mobility M6", as windows displays it. I could not figure which kernel video module I should load. another question is that what will go to the Driver section of XF86Config in xfree4.3.0? slackware uses vesa as default which does not use any hardware acceleration. thanks for any help, baris

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Re:[Wlug] gentoo
by vapier＠netzero.com 16 Apr '03

16 Apr '03

> What's people's experience with gentoo? it's a beautiful distro :) > I'm thinking of upgrading one of my boxes to it in the near future. This is a box I really mess around with, so how bleeding edge can I get? well ... lets just say we have had ebuilds for kde, gnome, openoffice, and xfree sometimes weeks before it was officially released ... we also have ebuilds that'll pull packages from cvs ... how much more bleeding edge can you want ? :) > Is it easy to keep some packages at stable releases, and some at unstable, or is it more of an all or nothing thing? at the moment you can run a stable profile which should be pretty stable or you can run unstable (and get all the benefits mentioned above) ... it isnt that easy to maintain a cross of the two at the moment, but portage-2.1.x should take care of that ... > I guess what I want is, a way of trying the newest stuff, but an easy way of going back to stable when I'm horrified with how buggy the newest stuff is. its easy to do that, but after the new emerge you may have to do some trickery to keep portage from re-emerging the stable version ... > Also... for the stable releases... how secure has the distro been as a whole? we have a list of all the GLSA's we've ever released ... we release a GLSA as soon as a bug has been identified and fixed ... we then bump anything security related out of the tree and mark the latest security enhanced version as stable ... for the people who want a system that *only* upgrades security related packages, then we're currently developing a system for that ... again wait till portage-2.1.x to see that ;) -mike ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - NetZero HiSpeed! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month -visit www.netzero.com to sign up today!

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gentoo
by Marc Hughes 16 Apr '03

16 Apr '03

What's people's experience with gentoo? I'm thinking of upgrading one of my boxes to it in the near future. This is a box I really mess around with, so how bleeding edge can I get? Is it easy to keep some packages at stable releases, and some at unstable, or is it more of an all or nothing thing? I guess what I want is, a way of trying the newest stuff, but an easy way of going back to stable when I'm horrified with how buggy the newest stuff is. Also... for the stable releases... how secure has the distro been as a whole? Comments, horror stories, massive praise? -Marc

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printing problem
by Bill Mills-Curran 15 Apr '03

15 Apr '03

I'm trying to configure my LPRng print queue to add a banner page to my print job. OS: Red Hat 8.0 Printer/driver: The printer is a Postscript network printer, using the Lexmark 4039 10 plus driver. I'm able to print just fine. I followed the instructions in /usr/share/doc/redhat-config-printer-0.4.24/README for hijacking a printconf spool. Then I added this to the printcap.local: :bp=/usr/libexec/filters/psbanner:\ However, I can't get the a banner page. What am I doing wrong? TIA, Bill

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computer fair
by Baris Hasdemir 14 Apr '03

14 Apr '03

hi, I heard of two computer fairs? or something similar... will take place in malborough this weekend and another one in worcester, again, will take place this weekend. does anybody know anything about them? do such fairs worth seeing? where are they held? a web page if possible? thanks, baris

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WLUG MEETING: April 16th, 2003
by Andy Stewart 08 Apr '03

08 Apr '03

Hi everybody, I'd like to tantalize you with an announcement about the next meeting. :-) It will be held on Wednesday, April 16th at 7:00 PM in "the usual place". WLUG member Tim Keller will be discussing how he took Linux and other Open Source software to create his own Digital Video Recorder (DVR) similar to a TiVO. Tim will describe just what a DVR is and how it works. Tim will also discuss software issues, and finally will perform a live demo. I've just updated the website. I'll send out a reminder this weekend. I hope to see many of you in attendance! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Job for Summer
by bryon3245＠netzero.com 08 Apr '03

08 Apr '03

This is a open letter to all employers. I am currently a sophomore at Westfield State College. I am majoring in Business with a minor in Computer Information Science. I am looking for a fun and challenging job for the summer that has to do with computers because I enjoy working with them, and I am also quite knowledgeable about the physical hardwarenecessary for them to work and also the software that the parts interact with. I have also been using Linux for over a year now. currently I am running Gentoo on my Laptop. If you have any positions available in the Worcester area or would like any additional information about me, I can be contacted at bryon3245(a)netzero.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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Intern Job
by Karl Hiramoto 07 Apr '03

07 Apr '03

Any students looking for a summer programming job? http://jobs.accusense.com/programmer-analyist-intern.html Only bad part is you have to work for me ;-) -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø The attacker must vanquish; the defender need only survive.

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Red Hat Linux 9 now officially available
by Charles R. Anderson 07 Apr '03

07 Apr '03

Everyone can get it here: ftp://angus.ind.wpi.edu/pub/mirrors/redhat/linux/9 ISO's, FTP installations, individual packages, and docs. Release Notes: Red Hat Linux 9 Release Notes Copyright (c) 2003 Red Hat, Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hardware Requirements The following information represents the minimum hardware requirements necessary to successfully install Red Hat Linux 9: CPU: - Minimum: Pentium-class - Recommended for text-mode: 200 MHz Pentium-class or better - Recommended for graphical: 400 MHz Pentium II or better Hard Disk Space (NOTE: Additional space will be required for user data): - Custom Installation (minimum): 475MB - Server (minimum): 850MB - Personal Desktop: 1.7GB - Workstation: 2.1GB - Custom Installation (everything): 5.0GB Memory: - Minimum for text-mode: 64MB - Minimum for graphical: 128MB - Recommended for graphical: 192MB Note that the compatibility/availability of other hardware components (such as video and network cards) may be required for specific installation modes and/or post-installation usage. For more information about hardware compatibility, see the Red Hat Linux Hardware Compatibility List at http://hardware.redhat.com/hcl/ Installation-Related Notes This section outlines those issues that are related to Anaconda (the Red Hat Linux installation program) and installing Red Hat Linux 9 in general. o The Red Hat Linux installation program has the ability to test the integrity of the installation media. It works with the CD, DVD, hard drive ISO, and NFS ISO installation methods. Red Hat recommends that you test all installation media before starting the installation process, and before reporting any installation-related bugs (many of the bugs reported are actually due to improperly-burned CDs). To use this test, type linux mediacheck at the boot: prompt. o While most present-day computers are able to start the installation process by booting directly from the first Red Hat Linux distribution CD, some hardware configurations require the use of a boot diskette. If your hardware requires a boot diskette, you should be aware of the following change. Red Hat Linux 9 uses a different boot diskette layout than previous releases of Red Hat Linux. There is now a single boot diskette image file (bootdisk.img) that is used to boot all systems requiring a boot diskette. If you are performing anything other than an installation from an IDE or USB device, you will be asked to insert a driver diskette created from one of the following image files: - drvnet.img - For network installations - drvblock.img - For SCSI installations - pcmciadd.img - For PCMCIA installations As with previous releases of Red Hat Linux, these image files can be found in the images/ directory on the first installation CD. o Also in the images/ directory is the boot.iso file. This file is an ISO image that can be used to boot the Red Hat Linux installation program. It is a handy way to start network-based installations without having to use multiple diskettes. To use boot.iso, your computer must be able to boot from its CD-ROM drive, and its BIOS settings must be configured to do so. You must then burn boot.iso onto a recordable/rewriteable CD-ROM. o The rescue mode environment (accessed by booting with the "linux rescue" boot-time command) has been enhanced. Numerous requested utilities have been added, and there is now support for activating network interfaces. Commands needed for SCSI tape support are also available. Please test this environment and send us your feedback. If you chose to mount an existing installation in rescue mode and you have man pages installed on that existing installation, the man command will work while in rescue mode. o The Red Hat Linux installation program now detects existing Red Hat products on your system, and will prompt you to select the product you would like to upgrade. You will also have the option of performing a complete re-installation of the system instead of upgrading. Please report any problems you may experience with this new feature. If the contents of your /etc/redhat-release file has been changed from the default, your Red Hat Linux installation may not be found when attempting an upgrade to Red Hat Linux 9. You can relax some of the checks against this file by entering the following at the boot: prompt: linux upgradeany Use the upgradeany option only if your existing Red Hat Linux installation was not detected. o isolinux is now used for booting the Red Hat Linux installation CD. If you have problems booting from the CD, you can write the images/bootdisk.img image to a diskette according to the directions in the Red Hat Linux Installation Guide. o During a graphical installation, you can now press SHIFT-Print Screen and a screenshot of the current installation screen will be taken. These are stored in the following directory: /root/anaconda-screenshots/ The screenshots can be accessed once the newly-installed system is rebooted. o The parted disk partition manipulation program has been upgraded to version 1.6. o Users of Red Hat Linux 6.2 that want to upgrade their system to Red Hat Linux 9 must first have all errata updates applied before starting the upgrade process. The most straightforward way to accomplish this is to use Red Hat Network. A Red Hat Linux 6.2 system that is not completely up-to-date will not upgrade successfully to Red Hat Linux 9. o Text mode installations using a serial terminal work best when the terminal supports UTF-8. Under UNIX and Linux, Kermit supports UTF-8. For Windows, Kermit '95 works well. Non-UTF-8 capable terminals will work as long as only English is used during installation. An enhanced serial display can be used by passing "utf8" as a boot-time option to the installation program. For example: linux console=ttyS0 utf8 General Notes This section describes post-installation issues. o There have been issues observed when upgrading Red Hat Linux 6.<x>, 7.<x>, 8.0, and 9 systems running Ximian GNOME. The issue is caused by version overlap between the official Red Hat Linux RPMs and the Ximian RPMs. This configuration is not supported by Red Hat. You have several choices in resolving this issue: 1) You may remove Ximian GNOME from your Red Hat Linux system prior to upgrading Red Hat Linux. 2) You may upgrade Red Hat Linux, and then immediately reinstall Ximian GNOME. 3) You may upgrade Red Hat Linux, and then immediately remove all remaining Ximian RPMs, and replace them with the corresponding Red Hat Linux RPMs. You must resolve the version overlap using one of the above choices. Failure to do so will result in an unstable GNOME configuration. o There has been some confusion regarding font-related issues under the X Window System in recent versions of Red Hat Linux. At the present time, there are two font subsystems, each with different characteristics: - The original (15+ year old) subsystem is referred to as the "core X font subsystem". Fonts rendered by this subsystem are not anti-aliased, are handled by the X server, and have names like: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1 The newer font subsystem is known as "fontconfig", and allows applications direct access to the font files. Fontconfig is often used along with the "Xft" library, which allows applications to render fontconfig fonts to the screen with antialiasing. Fontconfig uses more human-friendly names like: Luxi Sans-10 Over time, fontconfig/Xft will replace the core X font subsystem. At the present time, applications using the Qt 3 or GTK 2 toolkits (which would include KDE and GNOME applications) use the fontconfig and Xft font subsystem; most everything else uses the core X fonts. In the future, Red Hat may support only fontconfig/Xft in place of the XFS font server as the default local font access method. NOTE: Two exceptions to the font subsystem usage outlined above are OpenOffice.org (which uses its own font rendering technology), and Mozilla (which uses fontconfig, but not GTK 2). If you wish to add new fonts to your Red Hat Linux 9 system, you must be aware that the steps necessary depend on which font subsystem is to use the new fonts. For the core X font subsystem, you must: 1. Create the /usr/share/fonts/local/ directory (if it doesn't already exist): mkdir /usr/share/fonts/local/ If you had to create /usr/share/fonts/local/, you must then add it to the X font server (xfs) path: chkfontpath --add /usr/share/fonts/local/ 2. Copy the new font file into /usr/share/fonts/local/ 3. Update the font information by issuing the following command: ttmkfdir -d /usr/share/fonts/local/ -o /usr/share/fonts/local/fonts.scale 4. Reload the xfs font server using the following command: service xfs reload Adding new fonts to the fontconfig font subsystem is more straightforward; the new font file only needs to be copied into the /usr/share/fonts/ directory (individual users can modify their personal font configuration by copying the font file into the ~/.fonts/ directory). After the new font has been copied, use fc-cache to update the font information cache: fc-cache <directory> (Where <directory> would be either the /usr/share/fonts/ or ~/.fonts/ directories.) Individual users may also install fonts graphically, by browsing fonts:/// in Nautilus, and dragging the new font files there. NOTE: If the font filename ends with ".gz", it has been compressed with gzip, and must be decompressed (with the gunzip command) before the fontconfig font subsystem can use the font. o Due to the transition to the new font system based on fontconfig/Xft, GTK+ 1.2 applications are not affected by any changes made via the Font Preferences dialog. For these applications, a font can be configured by adding the following lines to the file ~/.gtkrc.mine: style "user-font" { fontset = "<font-specification>" } widget_class "*" style "user-font" (Where <font-specification> represents a font specification in the style used by traditional X applications, such as "-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*".) o New features in XFree86 include: - Xcursor - New mouse cursor code, allowing color, antialiased, alpha blended (translucency), animated, themeable, multi-size mouse pointers to be used. - ATI Radeon 9000, 9100, FireGL 8700, 8800 3D/2D/Xv support is now available. ATI Radeon 9500 Pro and 9700 Pro, as well as ATI FireGL X1 and Z1 are now supported 2D-only. Support for over 30 additional ATI Rage 128 chipsets have been added to this release, which should cover all existing Rage 128 chipsets now. - Intel i845, i852, i855, and i865 integrated video support (2D/3D/Xvideo), and improved Intel i830 video support. The Intel video driver has been completely restructured and largely rewritten to be much more robust, and support more hardware. Many bugs have been fixed, as well as many workarounds for broken laptop and motherboard BIOSs that limit memory to 1Mb. - New support for NVIDIA GeForce 4, nForce, GeForce 2 Go, and various other NVIDIA hardware. Also, the nv driver has been enhanced to attempt to autodetect unknown NVIDIA chips that aren't officially supported, but can probably be coaxed to work anyway (albeit not officially supported) by treating them similarly to one of the other supported chips in the same family. The nv driver, as in previous releases, remains 2D only. - At the time these release notes were finalized, NVIDIA's binary-only accelerated 3D drivers are not currently compatible with Red Hat Linux 9. NVIDIA is aware of the problem; watch the NVIDIA website for updates regarding this situation. - Updated Savage driver which supports the newest Savage video chipsets, and fixes various bugs. - A brand new driver for the National Semiconductor Geode chipset, nsc, is provided. - Many other video driver updates and improvements have been made. - Many new input drivers including fpit, palmax, ur98 and others have been added. o By default, the Sendmail mail transport agent (MTA) does not accept network connections from any host other than the local computer. If you want to configure Sendmail as a server for other clients, you must edit /etc/mail/sendmail.mc and change the DAEMON_OPTIONS line to also listen on network devices (or comment out this option entirely using the dnl comment delimiter). You must then regenerate /etc/mail/sendmail.cf by running the following command (as root): make -C /etc/mail Note that you must have the sendmail-cf package installed for this to work. o CUPS is now the default print spooler, and redhat-config-printer is the recommended tool for configuring it. It may be launched from the System Settings menu, using the Printing menu entry. LPRng is still provided, and upgrades from previous installations using LPRng will continue to use it. o GNOME Print Manager, a simple graphical print queue management tool, is now included. It may be launched from the System Tools menu, using the Print Manager menu entry. In addition, when a print job is in the queue, an icon will appear in the panel's system notification area. o Red Hat Linux 9 includes the Native POSIX Thread Library (NPTL), a new implementation of POSIX threads for Linux. This library provides performance improvements and increased scalability for i686 or better processors. This thread library is designed to be binary compatible with the old LinuxThreads implementation; however, applications that rely on the places where the LinuxThreads implementation deviates from the POSIX standard will need to be fixed. Notable differences include: - Signal handling has changed from per-thread signal handling to POSIX process signal handling. - getpid() returns the same value in all threads. - Thread handlers registered with pthread_atfork are not run if vfork() is used - no manager thread Applications that are known to have problems using NPTL include: - Sun JRE prior to version 1.4.1 - IBM JRE If an application does not work properly with NPTL, it can be run using the old LinuxThreads implementation by setting the following environment variable: LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=<kernel-version> The following versions are available: - 2.4.1 - Linuxthreads with floating stacks - 2.2.5 - Linuxthreads without floating stacks NPTL support for all dynamically-linked applications can be disabled by using the following boot-time option: nosysinfo o A new system message has been added to Red Hat Linux 9: application bug: <app-name>(<app-pid>) has SIGCHLD set to SIG_IGN but calls wait(). (see the NOTES section of 'man 2 wait'). Workaround activated. This message (which is displayed on the system console and/or in the system log files) indicates that the application is not completely standards compliant with respect to its handling of child processes. If you see this message, you should alert the application's developers. o Python has been compiled with UCS4 support (Unicode characters represented on 4 bytes) as opposed to UCS2. UCS4 allows one to represent characters outside of the Basic Multilingual Plane. Certain third-party libraries may stop working because of this change; recompiling these libraries should be sufficient to resolve the problem. Please note that "pure" python modules (whose code is written in python) or compiled modules that do not directly use Unicode are not affected by this change. o The fileutils, textutils, sh-utils, and stat packages have been replaced by the newer coreutils package. o The RPMs containing the Network Administration Tool have changed names and functions. The RPM redhat-config-network contains the tool's graphical user interface, while redhat-config-network-tui contains the tool itself (along with its text-based user interface). o Support for XHTML1 - the reformulation of HTML in XML - has been improved. This has been done by adding the xhtml1-dtd package, installing the DTDs in the system catalog, and adding native support in the libxml2 and xsltproc tools. o The redhat-switchmail command and package have been renamed redhat-switch-mail. The redhat-switchmail-gnome package has been renamed redhat-switch-mail-gnome. o The Oprofile system-wide profiler has been added to Red Hat Linux 9. OProfile is a programmer's tool for analyzing system performance, using special hardware built into many modern computers. Documentation for OProfile exists in the oprofile package; after installing Red Hat Linux 9, issue the command rpm -qd oprofile to obtain a listing of the available documentation. See the OProfile website at http://oprofile.sourceforge.net for more details. o GDB has been enhanced to allow debugging information for applications to be read from separate files. This makes it possible to extract debugging information from binaries and place them in a supplemental package. During the development of Red Hat Linux 9, "debuginfo" packages were generated for nearly every package by implementing special RPM macros. By default, the RPM macro configuration in Red Hat Linux 9 generates "debuginfo" packages. If you are building packages and do not want to generate "debuginfo" packages, add the following to your ~/.rpmmacros file: %define debug_package %{nil} Package Changes The following packages have been added to Red Hat Linux 9: - bluez-libs - Libraries for Bluetooth(TM) utility programs - bluez-utils - Bluetooth utility programs - bogl - Graphics library for framebuffers; used by the Red Hat Linux installation program - ckermit - Replaces gkermit - coreutils - Replaces fileutils, textutils, sh-utils and stat - desktop-printing - Drag-and-drop printing and print job icon - devlabel - Support for persistent storage device access - elfutils - Replaces libelf - fontilus - Font viewer for Nautilus - fonts-hebrew - Hebrew fonts - gnome-icon-theme - Icons for base GNOME environment - gnome-themes - Collection of themes for GNOME environment - gstreamer - Multimedia framework library - gstreamer-plugins - Input and output plugins for gstreamer - gthumb - Graphics viewer - hpoj - HP OfficeJet support - jwhois - Replaces whois - libgnomeprint22 - Updated libraries - libgnomeprintui22 - Updated libraries - libgsf - Library for reading/writing structured files - nautilus-cd-burner - CD burning support for Nautilus - nautilus-media - Audio playing support for Nautilus - openssl096b - Compatibility maintenance package - postgresql-odbc - ODBC support for PostgreSQL - postgresql72-libs - PostgreSQL 7.2 compatibility libraries - printman - Print queue management - pyorbit - Replaces orbit-python - redhat-config-samba - Samba configuration tool - redhat-switch-mail - Renamed from redhat-switchmail - soup - SOAP implementation library - startup-notification - Support for busy cursor - subversion - Version control system - tsclient - GUI client for VNS and Windows Terminal Server - ttmkfdir - Separated from XFree86 - vconfig - VLAN (802.1q) configuration program - xhtml1-dtds - XHTML1 support The following packages have been removed from Red Hat Linux 9: - WindowMaker - Developer resource constraints - Xft - Integrated into XFree86 - Xtest - No longer required by Anaconda - anonftp - functionality pulled into vsftpd package - bdflush - No longer required (needed by 2.2 kernels only) - fileutils - Replaced by coreutils - fortune-mod - Unclear copyright status - gkermit - Replaced by ckermit - ipvsadm - No longer part of Red Hat Linux product profile - kbdconfig - Replaced by redhat-config-keyboard - kernel-uml - Experimental package, removed - ksymoops - No longer required by kernel - libelf - Replaced by elfutils - librpm404 - No longer required compatibility library - libxml10 - No longer required compatibility library - mouseconfig - Replaced by redhat-config-mouse - openldap12 - No longer required compatibility library - openssl095a - No longer required compatibility library - orbit-python - Replaced by pyorbit - php-dbg-base - Not used within distribution - php-dbg-client - Not used within distribution - php-dbg-server - Not used within distribution - redhat-switchmail - Renamed to redhat-switch-mail - rhmask - Red Hat no longer distributes rhmask files - rpm2html - Deprecated by author - sh-utils - Replaced by coreutils - stat - Replaced by coreutils - textutils - Replaced by coreutils - timeconfig - Replaced by redhat-config-date - whois - Replaced by jwhois - wine - Developer resource constraints - wmapm - Part of Windowmaker removal - wmclock - Part of Windowmaker removal - wmix - Part of Windowmaker removal - wu-ftpd - vsftpd is the recommended FTP daemon - xtoolwait - Not used within distribution The following packages have been deprecated, and may be removed from a future release of Red Hat Linux: - pine - License-related issues - LPRng - CUPS is the recommended printing solution - Glide3 - Multi-platform issues - lilo - GRUB is the recommended bootloader - sndconfig - No longer required by mainstream hardware - ncpfs - No longer part of Red Hat Linux product profile - mars-nwe - No longer part of Red Hat Linux product profile Kernel Notes This section covers issues that are related to the Red Hat Linux 9 kernel. o Special Note: The ACL support added to the kernel in the first two public beta releases proved to be unstable and caused the kernel to regress. Red Hat has therefore removed that ACL support from the kernel for Red Hat Linux 9. Kernel engineers will continue work on improving the ACL support, which will be available in a future release. The attr and acl packages needed to support ACLs are still included to make it easier for users and developers who wish to test ACLs. Red Hat may, at our discretion, provide ACL support for this release of Red Hat Linux by means of an upgrade, if future testing demonstrates that the ACL support has sufficiently improved in quality. o The apic boot-time option allowing installation on systems with the Intel 440GX chipset has been removed because it caused a conflict with many newer systems: it caused SMM (System Management Mode) not to function, or to function incorrectly, causing installation on those systems to fail. Removing the apic boot-time option enables these newer systems to install successfully. A different workaround has been provided that allows at least some systems with the Intel 440GX chipset to boot; this workaround is automatically enabled, and requires no action on your part. If you have an Intel 440GX-based system and are unable to install Red Hat Linux 9 but a previous release of Red Hat Linux installs correctly, please file a bug report, and include the output (running on the previous release, of course) of the dmidecode program, run as root, with your bug report. Note however, that it will not be possible to install Red Hat Linux 9 at all. Systems with the 440GX chipset are supported only on a best-effort basis. Therefore, we welcome bug reports regarding systems with the 440GX chipset, but may or may not be able to resolve them. o The kernel support for the new NPTL feature changes several internal kernel programming interfaces significantly. As a result, several external kernel modules may not compile without modifications to match the new interfaces. Examples currently include the NVIDIA and ATI 3D modules, as well as any other modules that use kernel threads and/or signals. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

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Redhat 9.0 ISO
by Chuck Haines 02 Apr '03

02 Apr '03

If anyone is lucky enough to be on the WPI network, redhat 9.0 ISO's are ready for download from the WPILA ftp server. Just ftp to wpila.wpi.edu from on campus and log in anonymously. Enjoy, Chuck Haines ==================================== Chuck Haines chaines(a)wpi.edu http://www.linux-xtreme.net ==================================== WPI ECE Systems Administrator WPI Game Development Club Developer WPI Linux Association Lab Manager Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity TKE-IT Systems Administrator ==================================== AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ====================================

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Looking for some help with Embedded Linux
by Michael Mathur 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

We are a small company in Fraklin, Massachusetts, We are looking for some help with embedded linux project. The project involves networking, routing, streaming video/graphics/display management& routing, Web Browser and Server. Please contact me if you are interested. Michael BL Software Systems, Inc. (508) 520 3850 (508) 520 6970 (fax) MichaelMathur(a)attbi.com

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book recommendations (LAMP)...
by Stephen C. Daukas 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

Anyone hear anything about the book Open Source Web Development with LAMP: Using Linux, Apache, MySQL, Perl, and PHP by James B. Lee, Brent Ware ? I'm thinking about going over this type of content with my students... STeve

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acpi
by Wesley Allen 31 Mar '03

31 Mar '03

Hi gang, ACPI is FINALLY compiled into Mandrake's kernel; but I'm having a hitch. While the kernel will boot with acpi enabled every now and again, most times it gets to a point where keventd is called for and the kernel message is that it hasn't started yet. Any ideas what on earth might be happening? I'm going to the acpi list as well, but I'd see if any of you linux laptop users have had this problem (there are google hits for this problem, but I'm hitting a dead end there). Wes

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RAS server
by Stéphane Purnelle 30 Mar '03

30 Mar '03

Hi I would like make a RAS (Remote acces support) server on my linux. How make it ?

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stupid question
by Wesley Allen 29 Mar '03

29 Mar '03

Hi gang, I've hit a snag with mdk 9.1, the driver for my web cam no longer supports the default palette for gnomemeeting. So it tells me to check my driver docs to see what palettes are supported.... where is a good place to find kernel-driver docs? The module is pwc in case you were wondering..... Wes -- Wesley Allen <wallen(a)charter.net>

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WLUG website idea
by Andy Stewart 29 Mar '03

29 Mar '03

HI everybody, I had an idea...let me know what you think of it. I was thinking about creating a part of the WLUG website that would be a set of links to open source projects in which WLUG members are actively involved. For example, I wrote the users' guide for the GimpPrint software, so there would be a link to the GimpPrint website. If you think this is a good idea, please send me e-mail with your name, project name, and your involvement (doc writer, coder, tester, etc). Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Tonight...
by Keller, Tim 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

I'm not sure what Maddog's rules are on this, but would anybody (specifically, those at WPI, who might have access to the equipment) be interested in taping the lecture tonight? I've got access to a NLE machine and a DVD-R burner, so I could make DVD's out of the lecture if people would be interested. Thanks, Tim.

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RE: [Wlug] Weird garbage characters in info/man
by Keller, Tim 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Eureka! I can't take credit for finding the fix, my co-worker found it on Usenet via google groups... The temporary solution was to export LANG=en_US the permanent solution is to edit /etc/sysconfig/i18n to make it permanent. I hope this helps others... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:06 AM To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' Subject: [Wlug] Weird garbage characters in info/man I just created a RH 8.0 box for testing and when I go into info, there's garbage characters all over the place. Here's an example from the "info rpm" page... rpm {âEURâEURq|âEURâEURâEURâEURquery} [selectâEURâEURoptions] [queryâEURâEURoptions] I'm connected to the box vis SSH using teh "F-Secure SSH" client for windows. I've never had an issue with any other box. It's almost like some library or character set didn't get installed... Thanks, Tim. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Weird garbage characters in info/man
by Keller, Tim 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

I just created a RH 8.0 box for testing and when I go into info, there's garbage characters all over the place. Here's an example from the "info rpm" page... rpm {âEURâEURq|âEURâEURâEURâEURquery} [selectâEURâEURoptions] [queryâEURâEURoptions] I'm connected to the box vis SSH using teh "F-Secure SSH" client for windows. I've never had an issue with any other box. It's almost like some library or character set didn't get installed... Thanks, Tim.

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add memory, loose sound?
by Bill Mills-Curran 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

I just added 128 MB of memory to my Dell Optiplex GX1, and now my sound card (on motherboard CS 4236) is no longer recognized. It's possible that I did something bad to the motherboard when inserting the memory cards. Or, is there any way that adding memory (now 128 + 128 + 64) could disable the sound? TIA, Bill

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Reminder: Upcoming meeting Wed. March 26th 7 PM
by Andy Stewart 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

Hi Everybody, I'm sending out this reminder early in the hope that we'll have alot of people coming to this WLUG meeting. At this meeting, our guest speaker will be Jon 'maddog' Hall. maddog is the executive director of Linux International and a great speaker. He has spoken at two (or three?) previous WLUG meeting and we're happy to have him back again. The meeting will be held in Kinnicutt Hall on the WPI campus in Worcester, MA (the usual place). If you need directions, they can be found on the WLUG website. Light refreshments will be served, and I'll bring a couple of items for the free (as in beer) raffle. After the meeting, we'll go out for pizza and beer at the Boynton Restaurant. Please pass the word around to all of your Linux friends! Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Cheap Laptops...
by Keller, Tim 21 Mar '03

21 Mar '03

While doing some research, I came across this site... http://www.pcsevolve.com/products/hotdeals.asp Under their "hot deals" they've got some great prices on laptops... Tim.

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Perl programmer needed
by Sean 20 Mar '03

20 Mar '03

I have a web based project at work that requires a talented Perl programmer to build a user database/authentication scheme and perhaps tie that database into another or rebuild the whole thing from scratch. Familiarity with MySql a necessity, and would mostly be off site requiring only a few visits in the beginning (We are located in Whitinsville). Contact me off list to discuss rates, details, etc. Cheers, Sean

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up2date question
by Bill Mills-Curran 20 Mar '03

20 Mar '03

Is there a way that I can use up2date to manage multiple installations? The last time I used it, it indicated that it was limited to one machine per user email. TIA, Bill

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procmail redhat 8.0
by Karl Hiramoto 20 Mar '03

20 Mar '03

i upgraded from 7.2 to 8.0 last night for some reason my $HOME/.procmailrc is not being processed Any ideas? It's procmail 3.22 and i'm using sendmail. And i belive procmail is being used for local delivery. thanks -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø The policy is not to have policy. It works as well in kernel design as politics. - Alan Cox on linux-kernel

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workshop on hacking/free software
by Mike Gorse 20 Mar '03

20 Mar '03

Hi all, I will be facilitating a workshop at WPI on Saturday on hacking and the free software movement. It will be held as part of a conference on "tools and alternatives," so we will be introducing free software (to an audience which will not necessarily be that technically-oriented; the conference will have a broader focus than just computers) as an alternative to relying on restrictive commercial software. I am looking for someone to co-facilitate, so if anyone on here would like to do that or just has ideas on ways to convey our message and make the workshop interesting and interactive, then let me know. Tia. -- Michael Gorse / AIM:linvortex / http://mgorse.home.dhs.org --

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FW: Wanted - part time Network/Linux Administrator
by Keller, Tim 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

I thought the people on the WLUG list might find this interesting... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Praveen Ray [mailto:praveen.ray@crcnet1.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:57 PM To: discuss(a)blu.org Subject: Wanted - part time Network/Linux Administrator Looking for a part time Linux Administrator - Will be required to do installations, general network monitoring and be available when something goes down. The datacenter is located in Waltham. Please let me know the asking hourly rate. I Prefer NOT to work with temp agencies. _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss(a)blu.org http://www.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

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Video-Out
by Wesley Allen 18 Mar '03

18 Mar '03

Hi everyone, First an iPAQ update, it's still running Linux, and I'm learning much about /proc (on a handheld.....weird) since I had to fix APM when I ran down the battery all the way. I LIKE it! Writing to my ext2 formatted mm-card is a bit slow (so I boot with a different kernel for software installs :-) ). Thanks for your help in getting it converted! Anyway, the question the day is this: My laptop has got a composite video-out in it. Is there any way to enable this in linux? I've seen some hints of this on the web, but if any of you have some expertise in this area it'd be great. Wes

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rpm's for kernel modules?
by Bill Mills-Curran 17 Mar '03

17 Mar '03

I've dabbled in making rpm's from tar distributions a bit -- just enough to get a flavor of rpm building. One of the more challenging (frustrating?) rpm tasks is building an rpm for a kernel module. (Or maybe the tar/make package I'm starting from is just not well-designed.) Since the build can be kernel-specific, it's not even clear if building binary rpm's is worth it. Maybe a better idea is to concentrate on making the source rpm easily buildable so that the end user can generate an installation-specific binary rpm and get the benefit of rpm's over tar/make installations. Or, maybe it's not worth rpm's at all for kernel modules. Anyone have opinions on this? TIA, Bill

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RE: Wlug digest, Vol 1 #548 - 5 msgs
by albutler33＠netscape.net 16 Mar '03

16 Mar '03

wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: >Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > >You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org > > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > >Subject: [Wlug] Meeting agendas >Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:20:16 -0500 >From: "Joel Desrochers" <joelgroup(a)hotmail.com> >To: Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >I think Bob Ziegler would be an awesome presenter. >I am currently reading his "Linux Firewalls" book. > >Joel > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > >Subject: [Wlug] RE: Wlug digest, Vol 1 #547 - 2 msgs >Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:13:12 -0500 >From: albutler33(a)netscape.net >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > >>Send Wlug mailing list submissions to >> wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> >>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.orgou folkou folk >> >> >>You can reach the person managing the list at >> wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> >>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." >> >> >> >>Subject: [Wlug] Reminder: Upcoming meeting Wed. March 26th 7 PM >>Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:49:21 -0500 >>From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)attbi.com> >>To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>CC: officers(a)wpila.org >> >>Hi Everybody, >> >>I'm sending out this reminder early in the hope that we'll have alot of people >>coming to this WLUG meeting. At this meeting, our guest speaker will be Jon >>'maddog' Hall. maddog is the executive director of Linux International and a >>great speaker. He has spoken at two (or three?) previous WLUG meeting and >>we're happy to have him back again. >> >>The meeting will be held in Kinnicutt Hall on the WPI campus in Worcester, MA >>(the usual place). If you need directions, they can be found on the WLUG >>website. Light refreshments will be served, and I'll bring a couple of items >>for the free (as in beer) raffle. >> >>After the meeting, we'll go out for pizza and beer at the Boynton Restaurant. >> >>Please pass the word around to all of your Linux friends! >> >>Later, >> >>Andy >> >>-- >>Andy Stewart, Founder >>Worcester Linux Users' Group >>Worcester, MA USA >>http://www.wlug.org >> >> >> >> >>Subject: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting activities - ideas needed >>Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:00:46 -0500 >>From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)attbi.com> >>To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> >> >>Hi everybody, >> >>I'm starting to plan for the next two or three WLUG meetings. I wanted to >>have them planned in advance, as I did with the first few meetings of the >>year 2003. >> >>Here's a summary of what we did (or tried to do): >> >>Jan 03 - Handhelds and Linux with Wes Allen's IPAQ (good meeting!) >>Feb 03 - LAN Party (not well attended, unfortunately) >>Mar 03 - maddog speaks to WLUG >> >>Can somebody tell me why the LAN party was not well attended? I'd like to >>plan meetings that you folks *want* to attend. :-) >> >>I hope to schedule activities for the April, May, and June meetings. >> >>Here are some ideas which I've culled from past e-mails on this subject: >> >>o security / ip tables meeting / firewalls >> (should we ask Bob Ziegler to return?) >> >>o printer drivers, namely gimp-print or foomatic >> >>If you have other ideas, or if you would like to volunteer to give a talk, >>please let me (or the list) know. >> >>Thanks! >> >>Andy >>-- >>Andy Stewart, Founder >>Worcester Linux Users' Group >>Worcester, MA USA >>http://www.wlug.org >> >> >Andy, > >I would like to hear about such topics as: > > getting Apache up and running (I'm trying that now) > GPG (GNU Privacy Guard) > what is LDAP good for? > >Al Butler >> >> >> >> >> > >__________________________________________________________________ >Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! >http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 > >Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! >http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promos=380455 > > >Subject: [Wlug] Linux work >Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:40:04 -0500 >From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)attbi.com> >To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > >Hi Everybody, > >I was recently contacted by a person at a startup company in Maynard who is >looking for a person to go to the site and install Linux and bugzilla on a >PIII/900. > >He is offering the following in trade for the services: > >o A used computer: PII/400, ?? MB memory >o some version of Linux is installed >o comes with monitor, keyboard, mouse and uninterruptible power supply > >If you are interested, please send me e-mail and I'll forward the details to >you. I'm just the introduction service. :-) > >Later, > >Andy >-- >Andy Stewart, Founder >Worcester Linux Users' Group >Worcester, MA USA >http://www.wlug.org > Andy, I would be interested in doing the install. Is Bugzilla included in the distro? I've never installed it before.Anyway,I'm interested if I can do it after work or on the weekend.I'm trying to acquire a server for my church. Al Butler > > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Linux work >Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:56:34 -0500 >From: "Michael Kingsbury" <mike(a)beakerware.net> >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Sure... Give me more info... > >-mike > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org >> [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Andy Stewart >> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:40 PM >> To: Worcester Linux Users' Group >> Subject: [Wlug] Linux work >> >> >> >> Hi Everybody, >> >> I was recently contacted by a person at a startup company in >> Maynard who is >> looking for a person to go to the site and install Linux and >> bugzilla on a >> PIII/900. >> >> He is offering the following in trade for the services: >> >> o A used computer: PII/400, ?? MB memory >> o some version of Linux is installed >> o comes with monitor, keyboard, mouse and uninterruptible power supply >> >> If you are interested, please send me e-mail and I'll forward >> the details to >> you. I'm just the introduction service. :-) >> >> Later, >> >> Andy >> -- >> Andy Stewart, Founder >> Worcester Linux Users' Group >> Worcester, MA USA >> http://www.wlug.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Linux work >Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:35:41 -0500 (EST) >From: Bill Mills-Curran <subssn594(a)charter.net> >To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Andy Stewart wrote: > >> If you are interested, please send me e-mail and I'll forward the details to >> you. I'm just the introduction service. :-) > >Andy, > >Please send me the details. (I use/support bugzilla at work.) > >Thanks, >Bill > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promos=380455

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Linux work
by Andy Stewart 15 Mar '03

15 Mar '03

Hi Everybody, I was recently contacted by a person at a startup company in Maynard who is looking for a person to go to the site and install Linux and bugzilla on a PIII/900. He is offering the following in trade for the services: o A used computer: PII/400, ?? MB memory o some version of Linux is installed o comes with monitor, keyboard, mouse and uninterruptible power supply If you are interested, please send me e-mail and I'll forward the details to you. I'm just the introduction service. :-) Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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RE: Wlug digest, Vol 1 #547 - 2 msgs
by albutler33＠netscape.net 15 Mar '03

15 Mar '03

wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: >Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.orgou folkou folk > > >You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org > > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > >Subject: [Wlug] Reminder: Upcoming meeting Wed. March 26th 7 PM >Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:49:21 -0500 >From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)attbi.com> >To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >CC: officers(a)wpila.org > >Hi Everybody, > >I'm sending out this reminder early in the hope that we'll have alot of people >coming to this WLUG meeting. At this meeting, our guest speaker will be Jon >'maddog' Hall. maddog is the executive director of Linux International and a >great speaker. He has spoken at two (or three?) previous WLUG meeting and >we're happy to have him back again. > >The meeting will be held in Kinnicutt Hall on the WPI campus in Worcester, MA >(the usual place). If you need directions, they can be found on the WLUG >website. Light refreshments will be served, and I'll bring a couple of items >for the free (as in beer) raffle. > >After the meeting, we'll go out for pizza and beer at the Boynton Restaurant. > >Please pass the word around to all of your Linux friends! > >Later, > >Andy > >-- >Andy Stewart, Founder >Worcester Linux Users' Group >Worcester, MA USA >http://www.wlug.org > > > > >Subject: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting activities - ideas needed >Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:00:46 -0500 >From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)attbi.com> >To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > >Hi everybody, > >I'm starting to plan for the next two or three WLUG meetings. I wanted to >have them planned in advance, as I did with the first few meetings of the >year 2003. > >Here's a summary of what we did (or tried to do): > >Jan 03 - Handhelds and Linux with Wes Allen's IPAQ (good meeting!) >Feb 03 - LAN Party (not well attended, unfortunately) >Mar 03 - maddog speaks to WLUG > >Can somebody tell me why the LAN party was not well attended? I'd like to >plan meetings that you folks *want* to attend. :-) > >I hope to schedule activities for the April, May, and June meetings. > >Here are some ideas which I've culled from past e-mails on this subject: > >o security / ip tables meeting / firewalls > (should we ask Bob Ziegler to return?) > >o printer drivers, namely gimp-print or foomatic > >If you have other ideas, or if you would like to volunteer to give a talk, >please let me (or the list) know. > >Thanks! > >Andy >-- >Andy Stewart, Founder >Worcester Linux Users' Group >Worcester, MA USA >http://www.wlug.org > > Andy, I would like to hear about such topics as: getting Apache up and running (I'm trying that now) GPG (GNU Privacy Guard) what is LDAP good for? Al Butler > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promos=380455

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Meeting agendas
by Joel Desrochers 14 Mar '03

14 Mar '03

I think Bob Ziegler would be an awesome presenter. I am currently reading his "Linux Firewalls" book. Joel _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Upcoming meeting activities - ideas needed
by Andy Stewart 14 Mar '03

14 Mar '03

Hi everybody, I'm starting to plan for the next two or three WLUG meetings. I wanted to have them planned in advance, as I did with the first few meetings of the year 2003. Here's a summary of what we did (or tried to do): Jan 03 - Handhelds and Linux with Wes Allen's IPAQ (good meeting!) Feb 03 - LAN Party (not well attended, unfortunately) Mar 03 - maddog speaks to WLUG Can somebody tell me why the LAN party was not well attended? I'd like to plan meetings that you folks *want* to attend. :-) I hope to schedule activities for the April, May, and June meetings. Here are some ideas which I've culled from past e-mails on this subject: o security / ip tables meeting / firewalls (should we ask Bob Ziegler to return?) o printer drivers, namely gimp-print or foomatic If you have other ideas, or if you would like to volunteer to give a talk, please let me (or the list) know. Thanks! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Article: MA DOR considering Linux
by Andy Stewart 11 Mar '03

11 Mar '03

http://www.masshightech.com/displayarticledetail.asp?art_id=62051&cat_id=3 -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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RE: [Wlug] funny
by Keller, Tim 11 Mar '03

11 Mar '03

What would be even funnier if at the bottom there was a little "Made with pride on a MAC using Adobe Illustrator" Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Wes Allen [mailto:wallen@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 6:28 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] funny On Tuesday 11 March 2003 12:59 am, Keith Wright wrote: > > From: Wes Allen <wallen(a)charter.net> > > > > I've got somethign to make you smile.... > > It didn't work. > > > Go to NHL.com and take a REAL good look at the page...... > > Is it just me or does one of the logos seem out of place? > > OK, I just spent more time reading the Sports Page in the last > 90 seconds than I have in the preceding five years, I see a Sun > logo and a MSN logo and a bunch of stuff I don't care about at > all. Maybe it's just you, or maybe it's your browser, or maybe > they changed the page before I got to see the funny blooper. > > What am I supposed to be looking for? You don't find "part of the msn network....powered by sun" funny? Wes > > -- Keith > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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funny
by Wes Allen 11 Mar '03

11 Mar '03

Hi everyone, I've got somethign to make you smile.... Go to NHL.com and take a REAL good look at the page...... Is it just me or does one of the logos seem out of place? :-) Wes -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

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reaction-diffusion program
by Gregory Avedissian 07 Mar '03

07 Mar '03

I'm trying to run a reaction-diffusion modeling program. Below is the link to the tarball. I was able to install it after editing the makefile (added -LX11R6 to the LIBS section, per generic instructions I found on a google search for the error message I got when make failed.) Here's the current problem: When I try to run the program with the sample parameters given in the readme.txt, I get the error message, "bad status from XAllocColorCells Segmentation fault" Note: I get occasional segmentation faults, possibly due to a flaky power supply. Those seem to be less frequent since I vacuumed the dust and cat hair out of the box. Here's a link to the tarball, in case anyone has the time or inclination to mess with it and/or offer advice. Oh yeah, I'm running SuSE 7.2. http://www.gvu.gatech.edu/people/faculty/greg.turk/reaction_diffusion/code/… Thanks, Greg

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shared calendar (web-based)?
by Bill Mills-Curran 05 Mar '03

05 Mar '03

I have some guys I work with who would like to be able to use a web-based tool to help schedule ping-pong games. Part of the requirement is that the players don't always have a partner and they would like to advertise available times so that someone else is encouraged to arrange a match with them. I already have an old web calendar program, which works, but I'm not very enthusiastic about it. Does anyone have a recommendation of a web tool that will work? FYI, I'm running Red Hat 8.0. TIA, Bill

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Re: [Wlug] Samba shares
by Michael Long 04 Mar '03

04 Mar '03

It turned out that there was a file that was a soft link to another in that directory. I guess that that confused windows. I would have expected windows to copy all but that linked file, but nooooo!!! it had to fail with a very nondescript error that was useless. <sarcasm>I just love windows</sarcasm> Mike > on the linux system checkt he permissions of the sub directories.. > Have read and execute permmmisions? > > On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Michael Long wrote: > > > > > I have a directory which has been shared out using samba. I now need to > > move some of those files including subdirectories to a windows box > > running windows 2000 server. From the windows box I can copy files from > > the samba share but the subdirectories on the samba share fail to copy. > > Is this a samba issue or a winblows issue? Any help is appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > Cell: 508-517-4819 > Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ > Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > Many people write memos to tell you they have nothing to say. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

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Samba shares
by Michael Long 04 Mar '03

04 Mar '03

I have a directory which has been shared out using samba. I now need to move some of those files including subdirectories to a windows box running windows 2000 server. From the windows box I can copy files from the samba share but the subdirectories on the samba share fail to copy. Is this a samba issue or a winblows issue? Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Mike

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Java Question...
by Daukas, Stephen C 04 Mar '03

04 Mar '03

Hey guys! I have a really short Java question for you... How does one make a system call from Java? I want to be able to run a Linux command, e.g., System("command"); in C. The idea behind this is that I'm writing an example Java program to install an application, for example Postfix, that I may want to use as an example for Students... Later! Steve

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Re: [Wlug] Simple Java Question...
by Peter Gutowski 03 Mar '03

03 Mar '03

<opinion confidencelevel="pretty-sure">I don't believe there's a direct way of doing that in Java. </opinion> But, inspite of the fact that it flys in the face of platform independence and security, you could write a class with native methods that could do that. Just don't tell anyone. -Peter On Monday, March 3, 2003 11:55 AM, Stephen Daukas <stephen(a)daukas.com> wrote: > >Hey guys! > >I have a really short Java question for you... How does one make a >system call from Java? I want to be able to run a Linux command as I >would in C, e.g., System("command"); > >The idea behind this is that I'm writing an example Java program to >install an application, for example Postfix, that I may want to use as >an example for Students... > >Later! >Steve -- Peter Gutowski - peter(a)linuxchamps.com - 413-531-0123 Carpenter's Axiom: Measure twice, cut once.

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redhat 8.1 guesstmate?
by Karl Hiramoto 03 Mar '03

03 Mar '03

Anyone out there have a feeling for when it's going to hit the FTP sites? Final beta done testing? I have a machine to install, an it feels like if a wait a week 8.1 might be out. -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø You have no real enemies.

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Simple Java Question...
by Stephen Daukas 03 Mar '03

03 Mar '03

Hey guys! I have a really short Java question for you... How does one make a system call from Java? I want to be able to run a Linux command as I would in C, e.g., System("command"); The idea behind this is that I'm writing an example Java program to install an application, for example Postfix, that I may want to use as an example for Students... Later! Steve

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Re: [Wlug] ssh-dummy-shell for OpenSSH???
by Brian K. White 28 Feb '03

28 Feb '03

I have sort-of got this by setting the shell to sftp-server. bizarre, I know, but it works, and a copy of /bin/true does not. in both the real and chroot'ed /etc/passwd's I set the shell to the full path to sftp-server, and sftp works, ssh does not. ssh actually connects and will sit there until you type something, but as soon as you type anything sftp-server says "what is this rubbish?" and promptly hangs up on you. I don't have any real shell, or any other binary besides sftp-server in my chroot tree, and even though users can upload their own, they cannot execute it because their shell is only sftp-server, which is not a shell and cannot execute anything. I hope it doesn't have any cases where it could execute any external program like ls (I know it doesn't need ls specifically, just as an example the way ftpd often uses a ls binary in the chroot path). otherwise a person might be able to upload a shell named <whatever sftp-server might exec> this is OpenSSH 3.5p1 with chroot patch, on SCO Open Server 5.0.6 ------------ Actually it does. I tried /bin/false and it fails to setup the ssh connection properly. I guess the shell will let sftp only run specific sftp commands, anything else causes it to exit. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Venier [mailto:scottven@umich.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 10:58 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] ssh-dummy-shell for OpenSSH??? does the ssh-dummy-shell have to actually do anything for sFTP to work, or does it just have to be in /etc/shells? If it just has to be in /etc/shells, /bin/false works. Been using that for years for (non-s)FTP-only accounts. Scott On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Keller, Tim wrote: > I'm setting up a test environment using OpenSSH built in sFTP server. What > I want to-do is build a chroot environment where people can connect to the > machine via sFTP but not via SSH. > > I know with the commercial version of SSH they have ssh-dummy-shell which > when you try to connect via SSH just bails on you, but lets sFTP work > properly. > > I've done some digging on the web and I haven't found anything that'll > replace this functionality on the OpenSSH side of things. > > Anybody got any ideas/links of an open source version of ssh-dummy-shell. > > Thanks, > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Brian K. White -- brian(a)aljex.com -- http://www.aljex.com/bkw/ +++++[>+++[>+++++>+++++++<<-]<-]>>+.>.+++++.+++++++.-.[>+<---]>++. filePro BBx Linux SCO Prosper/FACTS AutoCAD #callahans Satriani

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SPARC and modems...
by William Smith 24 Feb '03

24 Feb '03

I have a SPARCstation 10 with RH 6.2 loaded. I am trying to get it configured as an Internet gateway, but the big hurdle I am trying to jump over right now is the modem communication. I have checked the PROM settings and they match what I am using minicom with: 57600-8N1. (I am trying to use minicom to debug serial connection with the modem.) When I send commands to the modem, I see the modem is getting information, but it doesn't look like the modem is responding. I don't see an OK reply, much less any other sign of life... The modem in question is a Zoom 56k (it is the one I usually use to connect to the 'Net with, and it has worked with Linux and my ISP flawlessly in the recent past). Once I get past this, then I can look at making sure PPP works (which I anticipate to be a relatively minor ordeal, since I have a pretty good idea what to do), and then firewall stuff. While I think of it, would anyone know of any distributions with more-recent SPARC support? I'd like to see 2.4.x kernels with iptable support, as well as more up-to-date tools, but seeing as this beastie is on the "slow" side, recompiling everything myself would be tantamount to torture.... 8( Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Best regards, William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA www.chezsmith.com

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Re: [Wlug] Two Linux Employment Opportunities
by Michael Long 21 Feb '03

21 Feb '03

Oops...I didn't mean to reply to the list for this. Please accept my appologies. -mike > > Hi Andy, > > I would be interested at taking a look at them. > > Thanks, > Mike > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > I have a couple of job descriptions available for Linux software > engineering > > positions. If you are interested, please send me e-mail and I'll send > you > > the details. > > > > Later, > > > > Andy > > > > -- > > Andy Stewart, Founder > > Worcester Linux Users' Group > > Worcester, MA USA > > http://www.wlug.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

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Re: [Wlug] Two Linux Employment Opportunities
by Michael Long 21 Feb '03

21 Feb '03

Hi Andy, I would be interested at taking a look at them. Thanks, Mike > > Hi everybody, > > I have a couple of job descriptions available for Linux software engineering > positions. If you are interested, please send me e-mail and I'll send you > the details. > > Later, > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

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Two Linux Employment Opportunities
by Andy Stewart 21 Feb '03

21 Feb '03

Hi everybody, I have a couple of job descriptions available for Linux software engineering positions. If you are interested, please send me e-mail and I'll send you the details. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Non Linux mozilla issue
by Adam Keck 20 Feb '03

20 Feb '03

Here at MW we are blessed with Solaris workstations in addition to Linux. On Solaris 8 we have been unable to get the binary version from mozilla.org to run. It dies silently trying to load gtk. I compiled and installed gtk from gtk.org to no avail. Anyone run into this? Have any hints? Thanks very much, -Adam "lingua machinationis creo, ergo sum" _____________________________________________ Adam Keck The Mathworks 508-647-7298 Natick, Ma www.mathworks.com FreeNIX/Backup/Unix Administrator _____________________________________________

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I need to run some win apps
by Geoff 19 Feb '03

19 Feb '03

Hi, I need to run a few windows applications on Linux. I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions. The programs are: Palm Desktop 4.1 Eudora 5.2 And a couple of programs to programs 2 different ham radios. As for the linux setup. We'll have to wait and see the answer - I'm doing a fresh install on a new computer (will there be an install feast anytime soon?). I'm thinking Mandrake. Geoffrey Phillips gphillips(a)clarkie.net (Professional)

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Meeting over the Access Grid?
by Frank Sweetser 18 Feb '03

18 Feb '03

As a few of you may already know, WPI has just recently installed an Access Grid Node. For those of you who have never heard of the Access Grid project, it's a completely immersive video conferencing system - like traditional videoconferencing, but arranged such that the technology portion becomes invisible, and you can converse with others as if they were in the same room. More details at http://www.accessgrid.org/ My idea was that if we could find a couple of remote sites with people who might be interested in joining us, we could have a meeting over the Access Grid. A list of other Access Grid sites is up at http://www-fp.mcs.anl.gov/fl/accessgrid/nodes.htm and includes BU at least. If anyone knows anyone else at any of these sites who would be interested, we can start seeing about scheduling the time needed in all of the spaces. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer

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REMINDER: Upcoming LAN Party !!
by Andy Stewart 18 Feb '03

18 Feb '03

HI Everybody, The next WLUG meeting will be held this coming Wednesday, February 19th, 2003 in a different location. The meeting room will be AK233 (Atwater Kent room 233). Please refer to the Wlug Meetings...Directions link for directions to this room. The building is right next to Salisbury Labs on the WPI campus. Please note the earlier start time of 6:00 PM ! At this meeting, we'll be having a LAN party ! This is WLUG's first LAN party so I'm curious to see what people bring. You'll need to bring your network gear (hubs, switches, cables) and a laptop or desktop machine with networking enabled. We'll interconnect all of the machines to create one big WLUG LAN. I'll bring my PLIP cable for the masochists in the crowd. This network most likely will *not* have access to the Internet (but we'll see what we can do). On this LAN, all sorts of activities could take place, such as multiplayer games, network security scans, attempts to (non-destructively!) crack another persons system to teach them about their security weaknesses, and more. Its really up to all of you and your imaginations as to what we can do with this type of setup. I'll even entertain doing a couple of network based Linux installations if folks want that. If people need help configuring their systems for networking, that help will be available. I'll also be available to do a demonstration of VNC for those interested. The possibilities are really endless. Due to the amount of time to setup such a LAN and still have time to have fun with it, I've extended the time of the WLUG meeting from 6:00 PM - 9:00 PM (note earlier start time!). Have a lot of fun, and I'll see you all on Wednesday. Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Next meeting ...
by Marc Hughes 18 Feb '03

18 Feb '03

So LAN party next meeting ... I'd love to get into the security stuff & some of the gaming .. But for the gaming ... what are people planning on bringing or planning on playing? Figure I should get those working on my laptop before I show up. Personally, I'd love to see the games that you can't play on windows. -Marc -- www.geek4.com - News by anyone!

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RE: [Wlug] Sony floppy disk memory stick adapter
by Keller, Tim 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

I'd suspect that because the thing came with windows drivers that it looks close enough to an MSDOS filesystem that windows won't scream so much, but when it comes to actually interacting with the filesystem/toc on the device it's nothing like that at all... Can you fdisk the device and format it? Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@attbi.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 22:40 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group Subject: [Wlug] Sony floppy disk memory stick adapter Hi everybody, My brother-in-law just obtained a Sony floppy disk memory stick adapter (MSAC-FD2MA). You put a memory stick into this "thing" which then plugs into the floppy drive. He put it into the floppy drive and it mounted OK, but 'df' thinks the device is full when indeed its empty. There was a Windows driver supplied with it also. Attempts to copy files to it while mounted failed with errors indicative of no remaining space. Does anybody know anything about this little toy? I can't find anything on the net, but I'll keep looking. It doesn't seem like it would be that hard to figure out and make work with Linux, if one were so inclined. Thanks! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Sony floppy disk memory stick adapter
by Andy Stewart 13 Feb '03

13 Feb '03

Hi everybody, My brother-in-law just obtained a Sony floppy disk memory stick adapter (MSAC-FD2MA). You put a memory stick into this "thing" which then plugs into the floppy drive. He put it into the floppy drive and it mounted OK, but 'df' thinks the device is full when indeed its empty. There was a Windows driver supplied with it also. Attempts to copy files to it while mounted failed with errors indicative of no remaining space. Does anybody know anything about this little toy? I can't find anything on the net, but I'll keep looking. It doesn't seem like it would be that hard to figure out and make work with Linux, if one were so inclined. Thanks! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Getting OpenOffice, ODBC and MySQL to play Nice
by Bill Smith 11 Feb '03

11 Feb '03

Okay... Most of you may already have heard of this (especially if you watch Slashdot), but it's worth posting for those that don't: http://www.linuxworld.com/2003/0207.barr.html Here, the author talks about getting OpenOffice.org, ODBC and MySQL working together (on Red Hat 8.0)... It looks like the first of two articles; the first explains what he did, the errors that resulted, and what he did to get around it. Next week, he's supposed to talk about using his new-found functionality, and whether it was worth the effort. FWIW, he said that he started using a how-to by John McCreesh, but there were enough differences between RH 7.3 and RH8.0 that it was almost useless. The article is certainly worth reading. It's getting late now (11pm EST), so I know what I'll be doing in the morning! ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com Random BOFH excuse: NOTICE: alloc: /dev/null: filesystem full * TAG! v3.1 *

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qmail - several domain!
by Aramico - pop3.nomadss.com 10 Feb '03

10 Feb '03

Hi all, I've got my qmail server run so well, it's all nice. Ups, I've got something that bother me alyways! I have several domains hosted in my server where my qmail server running on too, The mail problem is, If somebody send me a message where the address is one of the my listed domain in my server, then.. if I read the mail from one of the available account from my server, here,. I'll receive all the email that attach to my username, so all my email address from the available domain are received in on of the account that I use to open the mail. So, how can I open one of my email address and I just receive the mail that attach to the address where I mean to ? Thanks Man.

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floppy question
by Michelle Vadeboncoeur 10 Feb '03

10 Feb '03

I hope you guys don't mind a hardware-related question... The short of it is, if a floppy controller appears dead, short of getting a new motherboard how do I get a floppy drive to work on that system? I recently upgraded my home computer so that I could play the new game I got for Christmas... So, the usual course of events is to play hand-me-down computer parts in my family, so my old computer would go to upgrade my mother's computer (admittedly a Windows98 box, used for Juno email/web and playing Solitaire... so no heavy usage). My old box is old in computer terms, but it's a heck of a lot faster than the P200 that my mother currently has. I rarely used my floppy drive (the last time prior to taking that box down was a few months prior). When transferring files from my old box to my new computer, I needed to run a Windows app off of a floppy - and discovered that the floppy drive didn't work on my old box. I tried swapping the 3.5" floppy drive out for another one that I had lying around, and that one didn't work either... I also tried swapping out the floppy cables, and that didn't work. BIOS sees the 3.5" floppy drive, but the box won't boot off of a boot floppy (that is readable on other computers) or read anything off of the floppy drive (makes nasty searching sounds) when in Windows... So, my guess is that the floppy drive controller on the motherboard isn't working... My mother is adamant that she needs a working floppy drive (old files saved, and so she can transfer stuff from work to home and back). I'd really like to give her my old box for a nice CPU/RAM upgrade, but unless I can get it to use a 3.5" floppy drive, she won't take it... Any suggestions as to how I can get a floppy drive to work on my old box? Or am I just out of luck for upgrading her with my old box? -- --==*==-- --==*==-- Michelle R. Vadeboncoeur --==*==-- --==*==-- mrv(a)kluge.net: http://www.kluge.net/~mrv/

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RE: [Wlug] Disable telnet and ssh, but ftp and email still enable !
by Keller, Tim 06 Feb '03

06 Feb '03

Aramico, I'm taking the guess that your users are using pop3 to access their email. If you set their shell to /bin/false this will allow them to access email and ftp, but they won't be able to login. Hope this helps, Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Aramico [mailto:aramico@duahati.com] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:33 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Disable telnet and ssh, but ftp and email still enable! Hi all, I have several user in my linux machine. And now, I've just finished configure my qmail server. qmail only works for the user who has the home directory. by this, I've got to create several users with their directory if I want to create an email address for them. It's not secure! How can I make disable ssh and telnet to my user ? By this my user still can access the email and ftp, but can not login via telnet and ssh service. what configuration that I need to do ? Thanks Man.

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Disable telnet and ssh, but ftp and email still enable!
by Aramico 06 Feb '03

06 Feb '03

Hi all, I have several user in my linux machine. And now, I've just finished configure my qmail server. qmail only works for the user who has the home directory. by this, I've got to create several users with their directory if I want to create an email address for them. It's not secure! How can I make disable ssh and telnet to my user ? By this my user still can access the email and ftp, but can not login via telnet and ssh service. what configuration that I need to do ? Thanks Man.

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webmasters.com web hosting
by Brett Russ 04 Feb '03

04 Feb '03

Anyone have any experience with http://www.webmasters.com? I am considering transferring from logicinternet.com, the services promised by the former are seemingly much better, so I am looking for some local testimonials. thanks! Brett

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Virtual Hosting
by jose sanchez 04 Feb '03

04 Feb '03

Hello All: I am experiencing a weird problem with Name based virtual hosting with apache. I don't know if I am doing this correctly. The webserver is behind a firewall that is NATing traffic to it. I have three domain names, example: domain1.com, domain2.com, and domain3.com. I have the registrar of the domains forwarded to my external ip (24.31.xx.xx). The webserver's ip is 192.168.2.50. This is what the http.conf file looks like: NameVirtualHost 192.168.2.50 <VirtualHost 192.168.2.50> ServerName www.domain1.com ServerAdmin wilsan816(a)yahoo.com DocumentRoot /home/domain1/www </VirtualHost> <VirtualHost 192.168.2.50> ServerName www.domain2.com ServerAdmin wilsan816(a)yahoo.com DocumentRoot /home/domain2/www </VirtualHost> <VirtualHost 192.168.2.50> ServerName www.domain3.com ServerAdmin wilsan816(a)yahoo.com DocumentRoot /home/domain3/www </VirtualHost> Somehow the virtual hosting is not working. When I type www.domain2.com or www.domain3.com on the browser I get the content or pages of domain1.com. I don't know why is doing that. When I type www.domain1.com, obviously works. Now, the address bar changes from www.domainx.com to 24.31.xx.xx/index.php. The registrar where the domains are registered doesn't offer free "Domain Masking" (when the domain name stays on the browser' address bar). I don't know if this is why I am having this problem. If anyone have experienced this before please let me know. Thanks in advance. ===== "An ounce of gold cannot buy an ounce of time." - Anonymous www.whmicro.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Blanking screen blanking @#$!
by chuck＠vvisions.com 03 Feb '03

03 Feb '03

Howdy, y'all. I'm just inches away from using my wikkid new Fujitsu notebook as a DVD player. After solving the seemingly difficult problems of playing a movie in the first place (xine), playing an encrypted DVD (libdvdcss), getting hardware scaling to work on my ATI (gatos), and enabling the S-video output (atitvout), I'm left with the final daunting challenge: Turning off the #!$@ screen saver! I've tried the following (in this order): setterm -blank 0 setterm -powersave off setterm -powerdown 0 xset s off xset s noblank xset -dpms apm -i (a long shot, which is not compiled in my version) Still my video goes out every 5 minutes. WTF? I don't who or what is turning off my screen, and for what motive. But their treachery must be stopped! Surely someone on this list has the knowledge I need to restore justice. TIA, -Chuck -- Chuck Homic homic(a)ml1.net

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X on IBM Thinkpad A30
by bryon3245＠netzero.com 01 Feb '03

01 Feb '03

would anyone willing to help me get X working on my ThinkPad A30 running Gentoo with all the packages on there most current relese. Feeel free to contact me at bryon3245(a)netzero.com. Thanks -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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Fwd: Too Funny - I had to share
by jose sanchez 30 Jan '03

30 Jan '03

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SCSI Enclosures...
by Michael Kingsbury 25 Jan '03

25 Jan '03

I'm in need of an external SCSI enclosure that can accept 1.6" SCSI drives with SCA Connections. Does anyone have any sources for such a thing that's not overly expense? I haven't seen anything on ebay... -beaker

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books
by Yury I Vashugin 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

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Re: [Wlug] .htaccess for an exception!
by Setag Lib 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

> My point is, can I defined *.* as protected files where the index.html, > fly.jpg are not inlcluded in *.* definition. > So, here, the visitor can still freely accessing the my index.html and > fly.jpg where they are availbale in every sub domain directory. Depending on the versions of your software, these might be usefull: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/howto/auth.html#basic http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/core.html#files Specifically, the regex matching of the <FILES> section. If you can provide some more info, I can let you know if these would help you. What kernel rev do you use? What File System, and how big are the block sizes? How much ram is in your machine? What version of apache are you using? Do you have mod_perl installed, if so, what version of PERL are you using? Do you have a TCP stack with the syn/ack flag support? Are you using IPv4 or IPv6? Do you use 8903.11t? You're not using token ring, are you? -Setag

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oracle ad :-)
by doug waud 22 Jan '03

22 Jan '03

Hi all This morning's T&G had an amusing ad from Oracle. It consisted of a large heading "Email" and then two columns Oracle and Micro$oft starting with cost per user of $60 for Oracle and $126 for Micro$oft. It then continued the comparison of other properties. However, at the bottom of the Micro$oft column was "Costs more, but you also get Melissa, Snow White, Michelangelo..." doug

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.htaccess for an exception!
by Aramico 21 Jan '03

21 Jan '03

Hi All, I have several subdomain where each is put on the diffrent directory and it has one index.html for each. The thing that I want is, the visitor can only access my html file, so if they want to connect to another page where the location is the same, it must be a password asked for this. My point is, can I defined *.* as protected files where the index.html, fly.jpg are not inlcluded in *.* definition. So, here, the visitor can still freely accessing the my index.html and fly.jpg where they are availbale in every sub domain directory. Thanks!.

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[notting@redhat.com: Phoebe beta of Red Hat Linux has been updated]
by Charles R. Anderson 20 Jan '03

20 Jan '03

Also available from: ftp://angus.ind.wpi.edu/pub/mirrors/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe ----- Forwarded message from Bill Nottingham <notting(a)redhat.com> ----- From: Bill Nottingham <notting(a)redhat.com> To: phoebe-list(a)redhat.com Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:10:07 -0500 Subject: Phoebe beta of Red Hat Linux has been updated Precedence: bulk The PHOEBE beta has been updated. Fixes in this update include, among many others: - updates to the kernel and glibc for NPTL thread support - updates to the kernel to fix USB hotplug - updates to the kernel to fix VM performance Some features in the previous release have been disabled after problems discovered in testing; these include ACPI and ext3 HTree support. For information on these and other changes, please read the release notes. PHOEBE is available at: ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/ and at the following mirrors: Europe ftp://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/Linux/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/ rsync://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/ftp/pub/Linux/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/ ftp://ftp.quicknet.nl/pub/Linux/ftp.redhat.com/beta/phoebe/ http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/redhat/beta/phoebe/ ftp://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/redhat/beta/phoebe/ ftp://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/MIRRORS/ftp.redhat.com/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/ rsync://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/redhat/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/ ftp://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/pub/mirrors/ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/p… ftp://alviss.et.tudelft.nl/pub/redhat/beta/phoebe/ ftp://ftp.surfnet.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/RedHat/ftp/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/ North America ftp://redhat.dulug.duke.edu/pub/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/ ftp://kickstart.linux.ncsu.edu/pub/redhat/linux/beta/phobe/ ftp://ftp.g-int.net/Mirrors/ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/ ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/redhat/beta/phoebe/ Expect more mirrors to come online shortly. For discussion of PHOEBE, send mail to: phoebe-list-request(a)redhat.com with subscribe in the subject line. You can leave the body empty. Or see: https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/phoebe-list/ -- ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

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iPAQ update
by Wesley Allen 18 Jan '03

18 Jan '03

OK, I had a great time at the meeting on Wednesday, just let me say that first off. The great thing about linux is community, and WLUG certainly has that.... Now, at this moment I'm listening to a Nickel Creek .ogg on my iPAQ using Opie's media play w/ libvorbis. It's a little unstable, but once I get a decent flash card I'll finally be able to take my music files with me.... It took a while to get to this point. I disliked wiki before, now I positively HATE it (and I think Linux Magazine is on drugs for liking it so much). Stuff is just, missing - like how to make sure your iPAQ has dns entries by copying one file.....arrrgh! I could ssh in right away, and on usb, that was the easy part; but for some reason iptables weren't working at first and I had to wipe them and start over, now I've got dns AND iptables forwarding my packets, and the ipaq is on the internet (no, I'm not writing this e-mail on it, an iPAQ, no keyboard, remember?). The only problems I have are with the todolist (it won't start), and qtopia desktop (it won't link). The todolist is missing a library, which I'll find, but the syncing issue is a pain, it just won't see it. Brad's been great and he think going up to opie unstable may solve the issue, we'll see (don't you just love debian users? They say, "Go use unstable" as if that's just what people do...). Now, when I get a tape-player or mp3 input in a car stereo I can finally ask for that microdrive for Christmas! Thanks again! Wes

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looking forward to the 15th!
by Wes Allen 16 Jan '03

16 Jan '03

Hi gang, I'm looking forward to the 15th of January so I can finally say good-bye to Brother Bill on my iPAQ. I got a couple of questions..... Has anyone used the perl-script that syncs the ipaq and evolution? Other then the notorious, "Don't run this while Evolution is open" are there any other problems? Which CF wireless nics work with linux on the iPAQ. I'm seriously thinking that I'm going to get the cf-plus expansion pack and a wireless nic for my iPAQ (linux's true strength is networking, right?). So which one's work? And, sadly, how easy is it to reverse the process? On the off-chance that I can't stand OPIE as a working environment. I've read the howto, how hard is it in "real life." It might be fun to invite some of the people from the compaq lab to the meeting if anyone who worked on ipaq linux is based in the Worcester area.... Wes -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

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Fwd: Re: [Wlug] My qmail server could send the email but it could not receive the email.
by Mike Frysinger 15 Jan '03

15 Jan '03

could have sworn i signed up for the list :) -mike ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: [Wlug] My qmail server could send the email but it could not receive the email. Date: Wednesday 15 January 2003 13:45 From: Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org On Wednesday 15 January 2003 13:37, Aramico wrote: > <aramico(a)petroleumbrunei.com>: > Sorry. Although I'm listed as a best-preference MX or A for that host, > it isn't in my control/locals file, so I don't treat it as local. (#5.4.6) theres the answer ... setup your control/locals file for your host -mike -------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Wlug digest, Vol 1 #477 - 2 msgs
by Arturo 15 Jan '03

15 Jan '03

I would love a hackfest! I think learning about tools to help you protect your data ... or better yet finding out how safe your data currentlyu is, would be both fun and informative. Cheers Arturo -- Arturo <wlug(a)sedo.net>

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SCSI question.
by Karl Hiramoto 14 Jan '03

14 Jan '03

I know there are some SCSI guru's on this list. One of my out of warranty drives died. (bad sectors) I'm replacing it. The old drive was SCSI-2 Wide(80pin). The SCSI interface listed in /proc/pci is: SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AHA-2940U/UW/D / AIC-7881U (rev 1). Will a Ultra160 80pin drive work? I'm pretty sure it does, just looking for verification. Anyone know for sure? Thanks -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting 15-jan-03
by Andy Stewart 11 Jan '03

11 Jan '03

HI everybody, This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting to be held on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 in Kinnicutt Hall on the WPI campus in Worcester, MA. At this meeting, we'll be discussing Linux on handheld devices. Mostly, this meeting will be about actually running Linux on things like the iPAQ, but if anybody is interested, I"ll have my Palm IIIx and jpilot available for a quick demo (more like Linux *with* handhelds). I think Brad and Wes will be bringing iPAQs. Who else is planning on bringing something? I had heard a rumor that somebody in the group had an XBOX running Linux, and if so, that's fair game since it will fit in my hands. :-) Please respond to this e-mail if you are bringing something for this meeting. That info will help to draw interested parties to the meeting and make it a better meeting. Be there - 7:00 PM ! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Re: [Wlug] Suse Linux: Internet access
by philrmcss＠netscape.net 08 Jan '03

08 Jan '03

Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)attbi.com> wrote: Andy: Good thinking. When I get to rambling, I can really ramble. Thanks for the help. Phil > >Hi Phil, > >Let's break this into two threads so people will have a chance to address each >topic without confusion. > >Secondly, if you could provide more information regarding what you did, what >you expected to happen, and what actually happened (error messages and such >are really helpful), then I'm sure somebody on this list can help get you up >and running smartly. > >Later, > >Andy > >-- >Andy Stewart, Founder >Worcester Linux Users' Group >Worcester, MA USA >http://www.wlug.org > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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RE: [Wlug] Suse Linux: Internet access
by Keller, Tim 07 Jan '03

07 Jan '03

Well, If you've got a "winmodem" check a few places like http://www.linmodems.org/ also, google is your friend in this case. If you've got an internal hardware modem, it's been my experience that in order for it to work at all, the port/IRQ settings in your bios have to exactly match the ones postulated in the setserial documentation... /dev/ttys0 (COM1), port 0x3f8, irq 4 /dev/ttys1 (COM2), port 0x2f8, irq 3 /dev/ttys2 (COM3), port 0x3e8, irq 4 /dev/ttys3 (COM4), port 0x2e8, irq 3 As for the broadband, do you have an external broadband modem connected to your machine via ethernet or an onboard broadband adapter? (I'm going on the premise that you've got the former... if you don't you'll have to look around for drivers that'll support the onboard broadband adapter) For your ethernet not working, I'd first check to see that the card was recognized. The best place to start is to see if the drivers been loaded. executing the "lsmod" command (as root) will give you a listing of all the loaded drivers... [root@medusa proc]# lsmod Module Size Used by Not tainted nls_iso8859-1 3488 0 (autoclean) 3c59x 28520 1 ... (this listing could be quite long) You should see something like the 3c59x (if you've got a 3com card) Also, you might want to check the Suse hardware errata to make sure that your cards totally supported. In this day an age, only rather exotic hardware isn't fully supported... Another place to look is /proc/interrupt aka "cat /proc/interrupt" (once again as root) this will give you a listing of all the devices linux sees on the machine. If you don't see your ethernet card listed, you probably have some sort of conflict. I hope this helps... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Robert L Krawitz [mailto:rlk@alum.mit.edu] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 7:11 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Cc: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Suse Linux: Internet access From: "Aramico" <aramico(a)duahati.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 13:55:51 +0700 Well, if the modem can work under Linux, the name is not WinModem, It's a kind of Hardware Modem. No, a few manufacturers have provided Linux drivers for their WinModems. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Suse Linux: Internet access
by philrmcss＠netscape.net 07 Jan '03

07 Jan '03

I recently installed Suse Linux on my Pentium III, 600 mHz computer that had Windows XP installed previously. Linux seems to work OK, except that I can't access my cable modem or dial-up modem from it. If I want to go to the internet, I have to go via windows. I got this machine from my son-in-law, and it has never printed in either windows or Linux. I have "properly" installed my deskjet 932 printer, it looks to be installed ok, but when I try to print, the printer never gets the data that the computer supposedly sends to it. Any help I can get from you folks would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Phil philrmcss(a)netscape.net __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Zaurus or Convert iPAQ?
by Wes Allen 07 Jan '03

07 Jan '03

Hi gang, I'm currently wrestling with getting a Zaurus or just going ahead and converting my iPAQ to Linux. What do you guys think? Wes -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

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Upcoming meeting January 15th
by Andy Stewart 07 Jan '03

07 Jan '03

Hi Everybody, Our meeting about "Linux and Handhelds" is coming up soon! If you are bringing a handheld device, please send me e-mail so I can post the info on the website and in a subsequent e-mail. If you're bringing some "non-conventional" device running Linux, that's OK too, just let me know so I can tell others. Thanks! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Re: [Wlug] vpn behind firewall
by Michael Long 07 Jan '03

07 Jan '03

Hi Andy, I was hoping that by adding a second nic card that plugs into my router I could somehow configure the webserver to use one nic and the vpn to use the other without the 2 cards knowing about each other. From some of the responses I have gotten it appears that this was naive thinking on my part. Cheers, Mike > On Tuesday 31 December 2002 10:18 am, Michael Long wrote: > > I have gotten both vpn's coexisting nicely with each other. I can now > > connect to my desktop at work via vnc. It looks like I can now remove my > > windows partition...YEA! > > > > Now for my final issue. I have not been able to configure my cisco vpn to > > allow me access to my local lan when connected the vpn is running. This is > > proving to be most inconvenient because I do have a web server running that > > is accessable to the outside world. Unfortunately the webserver is > > unavailable when the vpn is activated. I am thinking that if I add a > > second nic card to the box and configure it properly that I should be able > > to have one card handle the webserver traffic and the other card will > > handle the vpn traffic. Does this seems like a sane configuration? If so > > can someone point me to documentation that will explain how to accomplish > > this. > > > > Thanks again, > > Mike > > Hi Mike, > > Look for a setting in your configuration that says something about > "EXCLUDE_LOCAL_LAN". The possible values are true and false. Toggle it and > see if that fixes your problem. > > If the webserver in question is running on the machine that is making the VPN > connection, then it will not be visible on the Internet while the VPN is > active. That's a feature. When you activate the VPN on your machine, you > become part of your company's network, and when you deactivate the VPN, you > go "back to normal". > > You could add another NIC to handle the web traffic, but you then create a > path from one NIC to your machine and out the other NIC to your company's > network. Do you really want to create a back door into your company's > network that way? This is a security issue to be considered. > > Later, > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

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Re: [Wlug] vpn behind firewall
by Michael Long 07 Jan '03

07 Jan '03

I have gotten both vpn's coexisting nicely with each other. I can now connect to my desktop at work via vnc. It looks like I can now remove my windows partition...YEA! Now for my final issue. I have not been able to configure my cisco vpn to allow me access to my local lan when connected the vpn is running. This is proving to be most inconvenient because I do have a web server running that is accessable to the outside world. Unfortunately the webserver is unavailable when the vpn is activated. I am thinking that if I add a second nic card to the box and configure it properly that I should be able to have one card handle the webserver traffic and the other card will handle the vpn traffic. Does this seems like a sane configuration? If so can someone point me to documentation that will explain how to accomplish this. Thanks again, Mike > Well, my editor ate that one... Let's try this again. > > On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 05:58:15PM -0500, Michael Long wrote: > mlong> it if anyone could give me some clues or at least some intelligent > mlong> questions to ask so that I might make this thing work. It is sometimes > mlong> necessary to "help" the help desk in order that they can help you. :) > > "VPN" can mean many things... but usually it means a PPTP or IPsec > encrypted tunnel. IPsec uses port 500/udp for ISAKMP key exchange, and > IP Protocol number 50/51 for ESP/AH encryption/authentication (i.e., not > TCP or UDP). > > IPsec wasn't designed to work with the hack that is NAT (Network Address > Translation, Internet Connection Sharing), so if you are sharing one > real IP address to multiple computers with a Linksys, you can run into > issues. Basically, vendors like Linksys have hacked around the IPsec > limitation to make it sort of work through the NAT. Make sure you have > turned on the "IPsec passthrough" features of your router (NOT IPsec/VPN > endpoint). You should also look for an upgrade to the Linksys firmware > to see if it addresses your issue... It is hit-or-miss often times with > these SOHO routers. Good luck. > > mlong> Part 2: I am planning to fire up a vpn connection to my employer on > mlong> Thursday for the first time. Are there any issues running 2 vpn > mlong> connections behind a firewall. > > The IPsec through NAT hack I mentioned above usually only works with ONE > IPsec session at a time, so if both VPN's use IPsec, you may be out of > luck unless you take turns using the VPN software. On the other hand, > some vendors have figured out a way to allow multiple IPsec sessions to > work through NAT at once... > > It could be that one or both VPN's are using a technology other than > IPsec, in which case, the issues are completely different. PPTP usually > works fine through NAT, for example. There are other protocols as well, > which may or may not work through NAT. > > In addition, if they are using IPsec with a Nortel Networks Contivity > VPN switch on their end, it may have a feature called "NAT Traversal" > which wraps the entire IPsec flow in UDP packets (the administrator > chooses the port number, but Nortel recommends 10001/udp). If this is > the case, it might make sense to turn OFF any IPsec-passthrough features > of your router, so that the NAT Traversal kicks in. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

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RE: Linux on a PPC chip
by Sands Fish 07 Jan '03

07 Jan '03

Thanx everyone for the advice on Linux for the PPC. I ended up going with Debian, and, guided by the advice of the installation docs that come with their dist. for PPC, I had a very successful (lacking sound, but i was told to expect that, besides it's a server) installation on the G4 Mac. Now, the only other tweak I have a burning desire to make to this box is to configure the kernel to use SMP for the dual 500Mhz processors. From what I've heard, it should only be using the first one right now, and that I have to rebuild the kernel with SMP support. Sound right? I would appreciate any tips or help on getting there, such as: -> how -> where to check to -know- that it's using one or both -> any other useful kernel info anything would be great really. thanx! - Sands <x>< __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Notebooks...
by Wesley T Allen 07 Jan '03

07 Jan '03

Hi gang, Well, with the 0% financianing out there I'm seriously considering dumping my current notebook and taking all my Christmas cash to get a machine that works better with linux. I'm sick of this HP buggy BIOS that won't let linux read the thermal or battery data, even with acpi, so this'll go back to winXP for my wife, we'll dump the desktop completely, and I'll get the new machine. My question is, what's known to work with Linux. Are Toshiba's friendly? I'm not touching a compaq with a 10 foot pole, and does anyone have an HP laptop that is fully functional with linux? What about the latest Dells? Or even, gasp GATEWAY???? I checked out linux on laptops, but most of the models weren't even close so I figured I'd ask all of you... Wes

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Color matching scanned photos vs. printed output
by Andy Stewart 07 Jan '03

07 Jan '03

Hi Everybody, I've been playing with my new toy, an Epson 1660 Photo scanner, which works very nicely with Linux. I have noticed that photos that I scan in and then print don't look the same as the original. I am using Xsane, Gimp-Print, and CUPS. If it matters, the photo is 4x6 inches, scanned at 400 DPI, and printed in 1440x720 high quallity mode. The photo was originally printed from my 3 Mpixel digital camera (2160x1440 pixels), so I believe I've used a more than sufficient DPI when scanning. I suspect the problem is that neither the scanner nor the printer is perfect, and that the cumulative effects of the transfer functions (scanner to computer to monitor to computer to printer) are causing this. Its actually worse if I let Xsane compensate for me with its automatic adjustments of gamma, brightness, and contrast. Adjusting the image on my monitor screen probably isn't going to help much since my monitor isn't perfect, nor is there any guarantee that I have it properly adjusted. Is there any good way, other than trial and error, to fix this? Would generating some simple test patterns help in making the proper adjustments? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Toshiba Laptop?
by Wesley Allen 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

Hi gang, What's your collective opinion of Toshiba laptops? Circuit City has got a decent machine (Satellite 1415-s173) for $999 and they actually let me boot Knoppix on it to check out hardware support (everything worked). The only thing I'm wondering about is the battery. MY HP laptop doesn't let Linux read the battery info with either apm or acpi, and I think this is a function of an incredibly bad bios implementation. The demo models at Circuit City didn't have batteries, so I had no way of checking this bug out on that brand. Does anyone have experience with a Toshiba laptop that has an acpi bios? Can you relate your experience to me? Wes

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Re: [Wlug] Notebooks...
by webmaster＠atari-users.net 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

Have you considered a Apple iBook or Powerbook? An iBook runs for about $1000 and PB's $2000. Compared to my Dell Laptop for work.. Apple has some nice hardware. I have an iBook 500mhz.. I was shocked how well Yellow Dog Linux ran on it. The speed difference over Mac OS X was very noticable. I also tried Mandrake PPC linux on it, not very impressed with it. Unfortunetly, the 20 gig drive I placed in the iBook fried, so all I have now is Mac OS X. The 10 gigs is too tight for a dual system. I'm having a hard time converting the wife to linux.<G> A buddy down in CT has a Powerbook running Yellow Dog also, only issue is the ATI video is not fully supported yet. just throwing my 2 cents in.. Rob Mahlert

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Re: [Wlug] Notebooks...
by Chuck Homic 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 08:04:00AM +0000, Wesley T Allen wrote: > My question is, what's known to work with Linux. Are Toshiba's > friendly? I'm not touching a compaq with a 10 foot pole, and does > anyone have an HP laptop that is fully functional with linux? What > about the latest Dells? Or even, gasp GATEWAY???? > I checked out linux on laptops, but most of the models weren't even > close so I figured I'd ask all of you... Weren't close to what, exactly? You mean not close to working with Linux? I was looking for a simple machine (ie. more powerful than my desktop P-200 was my minimum requirement) that would be ultra portable. I was looking for something uber-small and uber-light that I'd carry around with me everywhere because it was so uber-small and uber-light. I decided on a Fujitsu Lifebook P-2000, and it was the best purchasing descision of my life. It has a couple of 1337 features: * 800MHz Crusoe chip (I mean come on, Linus helped design the chip!) * 16:9 aspect ratio screen (1280x768), awesome for watching DVDs * Wikkid 6+ hour battery life, with so-called "normal usage" * Tiny: 10.5" by 6" by 1" * Optional integrated 802.11b * Everything works in Linux except the shatty WinModem All of my friends (who don't want a 19" screen on their laptop) drool over the thing, so I'd highly recommend it if you don't need a number-crunchin' gaming system. -Chuck

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Re: [Wlug] Notebooks...
by William Smith 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:04 "Wesley T Allen" <wallen(a)charter.net> wrote: > My question is, what's known to work with Linux. Are Toshiba's > friendly? I'm not touching a compaq with a 10 foot pole, and does > anyone have an HP laptop that is fully functional with linux? What > about the latest Dells? Or even, gasp GATEWAY???? i can't speak for the latest Gateway systems, but i know that my Gateway Solo 9100 works nicely with Linux... i run RH8.0 on it... I've been using Linux on it since I got it, with RH7.2. > I checked out linux on laptops, but most of the models weren't even close so I figured I'd ask all of you... I have found that it is always safer to ask. now... back to searching for Rio utils... ;) William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA www.chezsmith.com

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Re: [Wlug] Notebooks...
by Robert L Krawitz 04 Jan '03

04 Jan '03

Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:04 From: "Wesley T Allen" <wallen(a)charter.net> My question is, what's known to work with Linux. Are Toshiba's friendly? I'm not touching a compaq with a 10 foot pole, and does anyone have an HP laptop that is fully functional with linux? What about the latest Dells? Or even, gasp GATEWAY???? I have a Dell Inspiron 8000 that works perfectly under Linux. I can suspend and resume it just fine, which impresses a lot of folks since they can't even do that under Windows. The 8200 is the current model; you can find 8000's and 8100's for reasonable money on eBay. It's a big, clunky-looking machine, but the internals are well done, it's very fast, and it has a very nice screen (1400x1050 or 1600x1200; none of this silly 1024x768 on a 15" screen). It can also take two batteries. I'd actually go for an 8000 rather than an 8200 if you want long battery life; the slower processors (mine is 700 MHz) make for much longer battery life. I get 5 hours from a 2700 and 3800 mAH battery; you can buy 4400 mAH batteries now, which should give about 7 hours of battery life. There are lots of other configuration options; you can get a combo DVD/CDRW drive, or two optical drives, if you like. You don't need a docking station, as it has all of the connections on the back panel. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

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Web site down?
by Keller, Tim 04 Jan '03

04 Jan '03

At least from Stratus, I'm not getting any connectivity to www.wlug.org ... (actually I'm not sure that this email will get there either...) Tim.

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Re: [Wlug] Notebooks...
by Brian J. Conway 04 Jan '03

04 Jan '03

> My question is, what's known to work with Linux. Are Toshiba's > friendly? I'm not touching a compaq with a 10 foot pole, and does > anyone have an HP laptop that is fully functional with linux? > What about the latest Dells? Or even, gasp GATEWAY???? I checked > out linux on laptops, but most of the models weren't even close so > I figured I'd ask all of you... I'm a big fan of Dells and have run Linux on a few Inspiron and Latitude models (my current laptop is an Inspiron 8000). Every piece of hardware in it was supported out of the box by Mandrake: ATi video card, Maestro3 sound, EEPro100 onboard ethernet, DVD drive, and winmodem, which is of the Lucent variety, though I never bothered to set it up as I don't have any dial-up accounts. They're a bit more pricey than what you can find in a clearance at a store, but they're very customizable for a laptop (on Dell's web site), and that made it worth it to me. My $0.02. Brian J. Conway bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

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No conflicts??
by Gregory Avedissian 04 Jan '03

04 Jan '03

Both my video card and the onboard sound card are assigned to IRQ11, in both windows and linux. Device Manager and KDE Control Center say that there's no conflict. Does this make sense? Thanks in advance, Greg

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Re: [Wlug] vpn behind firewall
by Michael Long 04 Jan '03

04 Jan '03

Thanks for all the help...It seems I may be locked out of my local lan while connected :( I now have a semi-minor issue to solve. When connected to the vpn I can use realplayer to listen to internet radio after configuring the necessary proxy server. I have not been able to configure xmms play the same links. Off to RTFM for this. Cheers, Mike > On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 07:54:12PM -0500, Michael Long wrote: > mlong> Now for my final issue. I have not been able to configure my cisco vpn > mlong> to allow me access to my local lan when connected the vpn is running. > mlong> This is proving to be most inconvenient because I do have a web server > mlong> running that is accessable to the outside world. Unfortunately the > mlong> webserver is unavailable when the vpn is activated. I am thinking that > mlong> if I add a second nic card to the box and configure it properly that I > mlong> should be able to have one card handle the webserver traffic and the > mlong> other card will handle the vpn traffic. Does this seems like a sane > mlong> configuration? If so can someone point me to documentation that will > mlong> explain how to accomplish this. > > Maybe, maybe not. Most VPN software intentionally blocks access to other > networks except thost reachable through the VPN for security reasons. > This is known as disabling "Split Tunneling". If you can re-enable > Split Tunneling, you would be able to access your local network without > going through the VPN. Unfortunately, it is usually a setting controlled > on the VPN server, and enforced by the binary-only VPN client. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

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Re: [Wlug] vpn behind firewall
by Michael Long 04 Jan '03

04 Jan '03

I have gotten both vpn's coexisting nicely with each other. I can now connect to my desktop at work via vnc. It looks like I can now remove my windows partition...YEA! Now for my final issue. I have not been able to configure my cisco vpn to allow me access to my local lan when connected the vpn is running. This is proving to be most inconvenient because I do have a web server running that is accessable to the outside world. Unfortunately the webserver is unavailable when the vpn is activated. I am thinking that if I add a second nic card to the box and configure it properly that I should be able to have one card handle the webserver traffic and the other card will handle the vpn traffic. Does this seems like a sane configuration? If so can someone point me to documentation that will explain how to accomplish this. Thanks again, Mike > Well, my editor ate that one... Let's try this again. > > On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 05:58:15PM -0500, Michael Long wrote: > mlong> it if anyone could give me some clues or at least some intelligent > mlong> questions to ask so that I might make this thing work. It is sometimes > mlong> necessary to "help" the help desk in order that they can help you. :) > > "VPN" can mean many things... but usually it means a PPTP or IPsec > encrypted tunnel. IPsec uses port 500/udp for ISAKMP key exchange, and > IP Protocol number 50/51 for ESP/AH encryption/authentication (i.e., not > TCP or UDP). > > IPsec wasn't designed to work with the hack that is NAT (Network Address > Translation, Internet Connection Sharing), so if you are sharing one > real IP address to multiple computers with a Linksys, you can run into > issues. Basically, vendors like Linksys have hacked around the IPsec > limitation to make it sort of work through the NAT. Make sure you have > turned on the "IPsec passthrough" features of your router (NOT IPsec/VPN > endpoint). You should also look for an upgrade to the Linksys firmware > to see if it addresses your issue... It is hit-or-miss often times with > these SOHO routers. Good luck. > > mlong> Part 2: I am planning to fire up a vpn connection to my employer on > mlong> Thursday for the first time. Are there any issues running 2 vpn > mlong> connections behind a firewall. > > The IPsec through NAT hack I mentioned above usually only works with ONE > IPsec session at a time, so if both VPN's use IPsec, you may be out of > luck unless you take turns using the VPN software. On the other hand, > some vendors have figured out a way to allow multiple IPsec sessions to > work through NAT at once... > > It could be that one or both VPN's are using a technology other than > IPsec, in which case, the issues are completely different. PPTP usually > works fine through NAT, for example. There are other protocols as well, > which may or may not work through NAT. > > In addition, if they are using IPsec with a Nortel Networks Contivity > VPN switch on their end, it may have a feature called "NAT Traversal" > which wraps the entire IPsec flow in UDP packets (the administrator > chooses the port number, but Nortel recommends 10001/udp). If this is > the case, it might make sense to turn OFF any IPsec-passthrough features > of your router, so that the NAT Traversal kicks in. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

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zaurus
by Wesley Allen 01 Jan '03

01 Jan '03

Hi gang, Well, I'm thinking about just going out and getting a zaurus for myself, I've seem them for around $330 as some places. Should I do this, or just convert my iPAQ as I planned? There are some features of the iPAQ that I like (like inviting attendees to meetings), but getting some sync-ability with Linux is just over the top for me.... Anyone get zaurus to sync with Evolution? Wes

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encyclopedia
by doug waud 31 Dec '02

31 Dec '02

Hi all I wonder whether I have found a gap in availability of applications for Linux :-( Specifically, I have been looking for a CD encyclopedia which will run on a Linux box (in particular a couple I set up for my two grandkids). Wine does not seem to provide a work-around both because it does not seem to be happy with any CD encyclopedia and because it would require buying Win* to get the CD stuff installed (and neither computer is worth as much as Win* would cost). I tried searching for Linux + Encyclopedia but that just gives me encyclopedias about Linux. A search for CD + Encyclopedia gave a reasonable list but none runs under Linux (as you might expect, all run under Wintel and a few on Macs). Does anyone know of a general CD encyclopedia that one can use with Linux? doug PS The grandkids take to the linux boxes quite naturally. I showed the older one how to type "lpr -Plp3 filename" to print a file. He later reported that he tried it on his brother's box but, since it was a second computer and Q comes after P and 4 comes after 3 he used -Plp4 (obvious isn't it:-) ) and it worked! :-)

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Re: [Wlug] vpn behind firewall
by Michael Long 26 Dec '02

26 Dec '02

Thanks Charles, Resolving the issue in part 1 concerning my wifes vpn was resolved by upgrading the linksys firmware. After the upgrade IPSec passthrough was turned off and everything works well. The next step is to get the vpn to my office working. Mike > Well, my editor ate that one... Let's try this again. > > On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 05:58:15PM -0500, Michael Long wrote: > mlong> it if anyone could give me some clues or at least some intelligent > mlong> questions to ask so that I might make this thing work. It is sometimes > mlong> necessary to "help" the help desk in order that they can help you. :) > > "VPN" can mean many things... but usually it means a PPTP or IPsec > encrypted tunnel. IPsec uses port 500/udp for ISAKMP key exchange, and > IP Protocol number 50/51 for ESP/AH encryption/authentication (i.e., not > TCP or UDP). > > IPsec wasn't designed to work with the hack that is NAT (Network Address > Translation, Internet Connection Sharing), so if you are sharing one > real IP address to multiple computers with a Linksys, you can run into > issues. Basically, vendors like Linksys have hacked around the IPsec > limitation to make it sort of work through the NAT. Make sure you have > turned on the "IPsec passthrough" features of your router (NOT IPsec/VPN > endpoint). You should also look for an upgrade to the Linksys firmware > to see if it addresses your issue... It is hit-or-miss often times with > these SOHO routers. Good luck. > > mlong> Part 2: I am planning to fire up a vpn connection to my employer on > mlong> Thursday for the first time. Are there any issues running 2 vpn > mlong> connections behind a firewall. > > The IPsec through NAT hack I mentioned above usually only works with ONE > IPsec session at a time, so if both VPN's use IPsec, you may be out of > luck unless you take turns using the VPN software. On the other hand, > some vendors have figured out a way to allow multiple IPsec sessions to > work through NAT at once... > > It could be that one or both VPN's are using a technology other than > IPsec, in which case, the issues are completely different. PPTP usually > works fine through NAT, for example. There are other protocols as well, > which may or may not work through NAT. > > In addition, if they are using IPsec with a Nortel Networks Contivity > VPN switch on their end, it may have a feature called "NAT Traversal" > which wraps the entire IPsec flow in UDP packets (the administrator > chooses the port number, but Nortel recommends 10001/udp). If this is > the case, it might make sense to turn OFF any IPsec-passthrough features > of your router, so that the NAT Traversal kicks in. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

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vpn behind firewall
by Michael Long 25 Dec '02

25 Dec '02

Happy Holidays to all, I have a 2 part question concerning my particular use of vpns. I have a home network behind a Linksys firewall/router and am technically incompetent when it comes to vpn's. Part 1: The company my wife works for has upgraded her vpn software and it no longer plays well with firewalls at the client end. I have an appointment with her tech support Thursday morning but would appreciate it if anyone could give me some clues or at least some intelligent questions to ask so that I might make this thing work. It is sometimes necessary to "help" the help desk in order that they can help you. :) Part 2: I am planning to fire up a vpn connection to my employer on Thursday for the first time. Are there any issues running 2 vpn connections behind a firewall. Thanks, Mike

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trusted user?
by Bill Mills-Curran 24 Dec '02

24 Dec '02

How do I control "trusted user" to allow regular user accounts access to things like the mailq command or reviewing system logs? TIA, Bill

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X-server minutiae
by Gregory Avedissian 24 Dec '02

24 Dec '02

Now that I have X working again, some colors are different. The outline box that appears when opening a window in fvwm2 has changed from yellow to purple, which is nice because it's easier to see, but my cursor is very pale gray. Anyone know how to change a cursor color? Am I nuts to even think about messing with it? Greg

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[redhat-announce-list-admin@redhat.com: Announcing a beta release of Red Hat Linux: Phoebe]
by Charles R. Anderson 23 Dec '02

23 Dec '02

If anyone wants this and the mirrors are overloaded, you can get it here: ftp://angus.ind.wpi.edu/pub/mirrors/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/en ----- Forwarded message from redhat-announce-list-admin(a)redhat.com ----- From: redhat-announce-list-admin(a)redhat.com To: redhat-watch-list(a)redhat.com Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:07:33 -0500 Subject: Announcing a beta release of Red Hat Linux: Phoebe Reply-To: redhat-announce-list(a)redhat.com Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=10.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: "You know, Chandler, you being here is the best gift I could ask for Christmas." "Aww. Thanks Pheebs." "Ok, now where's my real present?" Red Hat, Inc. has a holiday gift for you - PHOEBE, a new beta release of Red Hat Linux. PHOEBE is 6 CDs of software (3 binary, 3 source), including, among other things: - the latest in bleeding-edge desktop and XFree86 technology - Mozilla 1.2.1, with Xft antialiased fonts - glibc-2.3.1, with the new Native POSIX Thread Library (NPTL), for performant and scalable threading PHOEBE is, of course, not intended for use on mission critical or other production systems. As always, we do not recommend the use of beta software on mission critical or production systems. In fact, we may laugh at those who try. Problems with PHOEBE should be reported via bugzilla, at: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla PHOEBE can be found at redhat.com. 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kernel saga continues
by avedis＠rcn.com 23 Dec '02

23 Dec '02

I managed to get my online connection working again. Just had to change "ippp0" to "ppp0" in my firewall config file. I was also able to make a lilo boot floppy from command line, and it worked, exept for my initial menu. I rebooted back and forth a few times between the two floppies, and they both seemed to be working, and then when I went into x-session, I had no mouse. WTF??? Why did I lose kernel support for other stuff when all I messed with was "sound"? Then I made the mistake of going into XF86Setup. Now, I can't get into x at all. Questions 1. Can anyone tell me where the problem is? (other than "user") 2. Is there someplace in make xconfig or make menuconfig to provide support for xfree? At one point, I got an error message about not being able to load a module when trying to get into x. 3. Would it make sense to go back to the distribution disks, remove and re-insall xfree? Thanks. Greg

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Linux top gun
by Chuck Haines 23 Dec '02

23 Dec '02

I just saw this article and thought to myself, "wouldn't this be something interesting for WLUG and WPILA to put on." Its a competition where teams take turns attacking and defending a linux server. This particular server happens to be running apache, but it could be anything really. I think this would be a neat little event to run. What does everyone else think? The URL for reference is: http://linuxtopgun.org/ -- --------------------------------------------------------- | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | chaines(a)wpi.edu | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | http://www.linux-xtreme.net | ICQ: 3707881 | --------------------------------------------------------- | ECE Sytems Administrator | Box 1531 | | WPILA Lab Manager | 100 Institute Road | | GDC Developer | Worcester, MA 01609 | | Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity | | --------------------------------------------------------- GNU Privacy Guard Key Fingerprint E12E 09BE 14B2 4AA4 EA36 27EB 72A4 FDDD 8E3E 741D

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Linux too much like windows?
by Chuck Haines 23 Dec '02

23 Dec '02

I found this article while reading my daily dose of slashdot. It brings some questions to mind. Is linux becoming too much like windows? Does it need to in order to compete in the desktop business? One of my friends was commenting that for servers, linux is the best, however it just loses when it comes to the desktop market. What do you guys think about that? I'm not a gamer and primarily do systems administration work as well as php development and I love my redhat 8.0 with gnome2. What do others out there feel? Just my thoughts, -- --------------------------------------------------------- | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | chaines(a)wpi.edu | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | http://www.linux-xtreme.net | ICQ: 3707881 | --------------------------------------------------------- | ECE Sytems Administrator | Box 1531 | | WPILA Lab Manager | 100 Institute Road | | GDC Developer | Worcester, MA 01609 | | Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity | | --------------------------------------------------------- GNU Privacy Guard Key Fingerprint E12E 09BE 14B2 4AA4 EA36 27EB 72A4 FDDD 8E3E 741D

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kernel - Help!
by avedis＠rcn.com 22 Dec '02

22 Dec '02

I'm in windows right now, which is where I automatically boot to if I don't use the floppy. I only get a choice of boots with floppy. Tried recompiling the kernel with sound, added the lbn32(?) line to /etc/lilo and the cylinder error went away, but somehow I lost support for ipchains and lost the suse firewall. Also lost support for vfat. I went back into make xconfig and started messing around with ppp support, vfat and dos support. Got my vfat back ok. Also had to go in and re-edit /etc/rc.config and /etc/rc.config.d/firewall- somethingorother.config. I think I need to review my selections in those files. At first, I could dialup and as soon as it would connect, it would disconnect, and pppd would give error message 4, no support for ppp in kernel. I went back in and selected netfilter with ipchains support, and ppp with async support. Now it will connect and stay connected, but I can't send or receive anything (mail or web). Oh, and I removed the sound support from the kernel, but I'm still getting error messages about trying to load the sound modules. Let me know if I did something obvious. Meanwhile, I'll review what I did. Thanks, Greg

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"LN" question
by Michael LaPointe 21 Dec '02

21 Dec '02

I just recently upgraded my hosting plan to include sub domains, shell access and a few other goodies. My original site had all of the images in an images directory. To avoid copying all of the images to each new sub domain/directory I created an images directory for each sub directory and ran ln *.* /path/to/sub/images from within the real images directory. This worked great but is it only a one shot deal? I.E. if I add another image to the main directory do I need to run ln again? Server is FreeBSD 4.7 with Apache/1.3.27 I didnt try hard linking the directories since my books say that you need to be root to do so but I think that is what I really needed. Thank you, ~ Michael LaPointe

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[Off-Topic] Free Software Consortium in search of Consultants and Agents in your area.
by Consorcio Software Libre 21 Dec '02

21 Dec '02

We would like to invite you to be a founding members of the FSC either as a Consultant and/or an Agent. http://www.fsconsortium.com On the main page you will find links to subscribe as consultant and/or agent. Free Software Consortium is a multinational consortium established to link the companies and the independent consultants that use and promote free software. One of the bigger obstacles to the development of the free software services market is the fear of many companies to establish contracts with independent consultants who do not have support of a well known Company, Corporation or Consortium. Questioning quality, support, experience and capability to successfully complete a project are the companies manager's main concerns when considering the option of migrating their systems to free software. Like you, we know the excellent quality that Free Software offers. We have complete confidence that Free Software is going to be the platform of the future. That is why it's so important to work and consolidate together to solve the problem mentioned above. Free Software Consortium intends to fill this void joining the best free software companies and consultants at the national and international level. By joining to Free Software Consortium you or your company will have the following benefits: 1. Possibility of being hired by other Consortium members. 2. Possibility of hiring other Consortium members. 3. Use of the Consortium image and name with your clients. 4. Use of the Consortium's resources like Publicity Brochures, Business Cards, Banners for presentations and events, financial presentations, publicity articles for the press and magazines, support via mailing list and forums with the Consortium's members, marketing and communication assistance, CD's and manuals from the Consortium, site and mail hosting (yourarea.fsc.cc) and other future services. 5. Representation of the FS Consortium in your area to share administrative, legal and marketing resources between the Consultant members in your area. Free Software Consortium will establish a contract with an Agent company which will have exclusive representation in it's area, in charge of organizing the consultants in the area. This Agent company will provide the administrative services, marketing and sales with the local customers.

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kernel questions
by Gregory Avedissian 21 Dec '02

21 Dec '02

I'm trying to get oss sound modules compiled into kernel. make xconfig was easy enough to get through. instructions say to then make dep and make bzImage or bzlilo. 1. I get errors on this, because I'm above cylinder 1023 on my dual-boot drive. I boot linux from floppy with lilo. Error message suggests using lba32 option, but it doesn't say where or how to use it. How do I get around this? 2. Instructions say next to install the kernel. Is that done by typing make install? In addition to the make install that comes after make modules? (see below) 3. I haven't been able to create a lilo boot disk for awhile. I'm using Yast2 to configure boot mode, and it keeps telling me that my floppy is write protected and it can't access the boot sector. I've tried this with new floppies that have been formated with fdformat /dev/fd0. Thanks for any insight. Here are the instructions I'm looking at: > 1. To make the kernel sound modules, cd to your /usr/src/linux > directory (typically) and type make config, make menuconfig, > or make xconfig (to start the command line, dialog, or x-based > configuration tool). > > 2. Select the Sound option and a dialog will be displayed. > > 3. Select M (module) for "Sound card support". > > 4. Select your sound driver(s) as a module. For ProAudio, Sound > Blaster, etc., select M (module) for OSS sound modules. > [thanks to Marvin Stodolsky <stodolsk(a)erols.com>]A > > 5. Make the kernel (e.g., make dep ; make bzImage), and install > the kernel. > > 6. Make the modules and install them (make modules; make modules_install).

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The Package Chase
by Gregory Avedissian 21 Dec '02

21 Dec '02

OK, I've been going along merrily with my SuSE 7.2 for about a year, and I just now ran into a problem that a lot of you folks must know all too well. Install a new program and it calls for a package you don't have. You've all seen the lists, I'm sure. I'm trying to install ecawave and ALSA 0.9, and I've had to install some gtk and gnome stuff, and I went to look at upgrading the whole gnome package. There's a list of more than 50 things to compile, and they must be done in the correct order. Do people actually do that? Is there any advantage of doing that over upgrading the whole distribution?

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bioswriter
by Wes Allen 20 Dec '02

20 Dec '02

Has anyone ever used bioswriter or a similar utility to get your bios settings from CMOS? I'm trying to read it with bioswriter with little success as I'm not sure what to do with the image file. I'm wondering there is a way to hack this bios to let me turn "plug and play os" off, as I'm fairly certain it's on by default and the given interface is pretty limited. Or am I breaking the law to edit my bios settings.... on the computer I OWN. Wes -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

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recording in linux
by Gregory Avedissian 20 Dec '02

20 Dec '02

Someone asked about recording under linux recently, and I recall that several of us said we'd never been able to do it. I just did it. In alsamixer, space bar sets the channel you want to use for capture. (line in is a reasonable choice) Had to manually edit /etc/asound.conf to turn on the input gain and set the level to 10,10. It looks like this: element("Input Gain Switch",0,101,Switch2(on)) ; Voice 0 : Min 0 Max 15 ; Voice 1 : Min 0 Max 15 element("Input Gain Volume",0,200,Volume1(10,10))

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Cross Compile Question
by Marc Hughes 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

I'm trying to make a cross-compiler on an i386 linux box to a ppc darwin (OSX) box. I downloaded binutils, configured them with ./configure --target=powerpc-apple --prefix=/usr/local Build them, and installed them. Then I went and got gcc (with g++), configured it with: ./configure --target=powerpc-apple-darwin --prefix=/usr/local I also made a symlink from /usr/local/powerpc-apple -> /usr/local/powerpc-apple-darwin since it seemed to fix a problem in the gcc compile. When I try to build gcc, it goes for a minute or so, and then I get this towards the end: libbackend.a(varasm.o): In function `assemble_alias': /data/hughesm/tmp/gcc-3.1/gcc/varasm.c:5184: undefined reference to `ASM_OUTPUT_DEF' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[1]: *** [cc1] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/data/hughesm/tmp/gcc-3.1/gcc' make: *** [all-gcc] Error 2 I'm not really asking for the exact cause of the error... I'm just trying to figure out if I'm even going about this the correct way. The documentation on cross compiling is a bit sparse. It seems odd to me that the targets don't match (but there is no powerpc-apple-darwin in binutils, and no powerpc-apple in gcc) All that being said, I'm doing this so I can add my linux boxes to my OSX build farm. Check out distcc.samba.org for a wicked cool and easy way to distribute compiles. -Marc

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Apache, PHP, MySQL on Debian
by jose sanchez 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

Hello everyone: I would like to know what would be the way to install and configure APACHE, PHP (with Oracle support), and MYSQL on Debian 3.0? Should I get the latest tarball versions of all these and just compile it or should I just get the debian packages and install them? How well do these servers run on Debian? Is there a better distro for them? Thanks in advance for all your help and sorry for all the questions in one post. You input would be apreciated. ===== "An ounce of gold cannot buy an ounce of time." - Anonymous www.whmicro.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Re: Help installing Apache on Debian
by jose sanchez 18 Dec '02

18 Dec '02

> apt-get install libc6-dev After installing libc6-dev the configuration now works. Now I have another problem. I'm trying to configure PHP with Oracle 8i support: ./configure --with-apache=../apache_1.3.27 --enable-track-vars --with-oracle --with-mysql --enable-url-includes and get this error: checking for Oracle-ORACLE support... yes checking Oracle Install-Dir... checking Oracle version... configure: error: Oracle needed libraries not found Do I need Oracle server installed on the same box Apache and php are or could I just install a third party library to support Oracle? I have Oracle 8i installed on a different box running RH 7.2 and I would like to connect to this box through a php webpage from the Debian box. I did a search "installing php with oracle support on debian" and didn't get much on it. Can it be done? Thanks everyone for your time and input. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Help installing Apache on Debian
by jose sanchez 18 Dec '02

18 Dec '02

Hello: I'm trying to install Apache on Debian 3.0 and I'm getting an error when trying to configure it. ./configure -v --prefix=/usr/apache + Module setenvif: yes cd ..; gcc -DLINUX=22 -DUSE_HSREGEX -DUSE_EXPAT -I./lib/expat-lite -DNO_DL_NEEDED `./apaci` -o helpers/dummy helpers/dummy.c -lm /usr/bin/ld: cannot open crt1.o: No such file or directory collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [dummy] Error 1 Creating Makefile in src + configured for Linux platform + setting C compiler to gcc + setting C pre-processor to NOT-AVAILABLE + checking for system header files + adding selected modules + using builtin Expat + checking sizeof various data types + doing sanity check on compiler and options ** A test compilation with your Makefile configuration ** failed. The above error output from the compilation ** test will give you an idea what is failing. Note that ** Apache requires an ANSI C Compiler, such as gcc. ======== Error Output for sanity check ======== cd ..; gcc -DLINUX=22 -DUSE_HSREGEX -DUSE_EXPAT -I./lib/expat-lite -DNO_DL_NEEDED `./apaci` -o helpers/dummy helpers/dummy.c -lm /usr/bin/ld: cannot open crt1.o: No such file or directory collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [dummy] Error 1 ============= End of Error Report ============= Aborting! I have gcc installed... What is causing this? ===== "An ounce of gold cannot buy an ounce of time." - Anonymous www.whmicro.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Debian Packages
by jose sanchez 17 Dec '02

17 Dec '02

Hello: Is there a website to download debian packages like there is for rpms (rpmfind.net)? Thanks ===== "An ounce of gold cannot buy an ounce of time." - Anonymous www.whmicro.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Speaking Of Mac G4's...
by Sands Fish 16 Dec '02

16 Dec '02

I've got a G4 dual-proc here at work. Boss wants me to throw Linux on it. I've been trying to find the best solution for a distro. SuSE seems to be the best choice to me so far, but I want to tap the deep dark depths of the WLUG knowledge before I go making a decision. Little Help? -Sands --------- "An electric toothbrush is an excellent choice if you are such a lazy f##k that you can't even move a toothbrush up and down." __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Linux on a dual headed mac
by Marc Hughes 13 Dec '02

13 Dec '02

Hi all, I got a dual headed G4 sitting here that's just itching to be a linux box. I can get X up on the primary video card, but am having problems getting it to work on the secondary one. (I figure I should get that working, before I try to get them both working). Unfortunatly, I can't figure out how to get the second video card to work. I try specifying a busid in the XFree86Config-4 file. It seems to always be trying to use my primary card. Is there a way to get fb support on bootup on the second display? Primary card: Geforce2 MX with a 17" apple studio display using the Apple Display Connector (not the vga one) - PCI bus 0:16:0 Secondary card: ATI Radeon Q with a 19" generic monitor - PCI bus 0:20:0 Any ideas? Thanks, -Marc

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Re: ipaq
by Dean M. Deaver 13 Dec '02

13 Dec '02

> From: Wes Allen <wallen(a)charter.net> > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: ipaq > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:21:24 -0500 > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Is there a way to install another ethernet card? > I read the specs, this would be fun to play with/break/fix/break again. > > Wes Not without at least a soldering iron and a set of skills I don't possess. So I'd have to say no. BTW, I had > 1 request for the device, so it's either lottery, combination of coin tosses, or raffle. I'll figure something out probably next week when I'm not overloaded with real work. ...Dean

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RE: [Wlug] Some old stuff hanging around that I'm giving away too
by Simoncini, Matthew 13 Dec '02

13 Dec '02

Hi all, I received quite a few emails from interested folks for both the books and the computers. I'll inventory everything and post a message by the end of the month with what exactly I have. I'm leaning more towards a raffle (to benefit WLUG) for most of the hardware stuff and probably giving away the books. Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Frysinger [mailto:vapier@gentoo.org] > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:11 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Some old stuff hanging around that I'm giving away > too > > > On Thursday 12 December 2002 14:55, Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > > I also have some programming and other computer related > books that are > > anyone's for the taking as well. > > i might be interested in some books that you have ... > anyway i can see what you have ? > -mike > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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capture card
by Wes Allen 13 Dec '02

13 Dec '02

Hi all, I'm really toying with the idea of picking up one of those $200 machines from walmart and rolling out my own pvr. If for no other reason than it would be a good hobby. However, I want it to be able to do the one useful thing that I can't do with digital cable, watch one show while taping another. My wife and I have one tv (and one converter box), and often have shows that conflict with one another (we flip coins in the metaphoical "who's there first" way). So, I assume that I need a capture card with the ability to tune digital signals, no problem. Are there any that work with Linux? THAT'S my problem. So, anyone know of a digital tv-capture/tuner card that works with Linux? Wes -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

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Linux/document source control MS Word
by Ritacco, Alan 13 Dec '02

13 Dec '02

Does anyone know of a logical way to allow users of MS Word to access a single document from a linux server that will manage source control on the document? These users are home users for a non-profit sports orginization creating a document for end users. These people will be editing this document via there home pc's. There is currently already a server they use for statistics and such, which is a Linux box. They must us MS Word as they are the most basic of basic users who can barely use PC's. I know there are commerical software(s) available or co-location sites to do this, but I was not sure if anyone had ever run across anything that is specfic to MS Word docs and document/source control management on Linux (or other OS's, Solaris, etc.) Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Al

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Lightweight Linux installer
by Andy Stewart 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

HI Everybody, The discussion about old used hardware got me to thinking about a recent experience. I was trying to put SuSE Linux 8.1 on a P90 with 32 MB of memory. SuSE was smart enough to jump into the ncurses installer instead of the fully graphical installer, but the installer was incredibly slow. No, not the part where the packages load slowly due to old, slow I/O devices, but the parts which ask the questions before the installation. This got me to wondering if there are any generic lightweight installers available for vintage hardware such as this. I don't see why I should be limited by a bloated installer when Linux itself works just fine on older hardware. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Some old stuff hanging around that I'm giving away too
by Simoncini, Matthew 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

FYI: I've got a few PC's laying around at home that I'd like to donate to the WLUG raffle or anyone else who thinks they can use one. These are by no means powerful machines, but could probably be used as a firewall or low end mail server. 2 - HP Vectra (I think XM's) Pentium 100 64 mb of memory sound, graphics, NIC one has a hard drive (1GB I think) 4x cd-rom ?? ** These used to be business desktops, but were retired a few years ago. 1 - Compaq Presario mini tower Pentium 75 64 mb of memory sound, graphics, NIC 850MB or 1GB hard drive 8x cd-rom ?? 13 or 14" color monitor All of these at one time or another were going to be re-built by me and donated to schools in my area, but work and my family took priority. I also have some programming and other computer related books that are anyone's for the taking as well. If anyone is interested, I'll can email more specific information after I invertory the stuff. If this sounds like some stuff that can be raffled off at the January meeting, I'd be willing to bring it all down. Matthew

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Re: ipaq
by Dean M. Deaver 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

> Message: 1 > From: brad <maitre(a)ccs.neu.edu> > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas... > Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:12:40 -0500 > charset="iso-8859-1" > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > A meeting like so would probably be best suited for January. That would give > me time to get kitchsync working. Also i hope i can i have a ipaq to install > linux on (mine has already been ..... well, exorcized). Wes has been wanting > to do for some time, let's hope he can make it January's meeting. > > Are there any other ipaq owners which would like to have this done? > Speaking of ipaq, I have a 'Shark' Network Appliance that is now gathering dust in my attic as I no longer have the time to fiddle with it. Basically, it's a StrongARM SA-110 based device as described on handhelds.org / platforms . Might be useful for ipaq development. It's up for grabs, for free. Reply if you want it. If I get more than one reply within the next week (i.e. by noon next Thursday), the giveaway will be done by some form of lottery (or it could be done by meeting raffle if wlug still has those). Disclaimer: The last time I tried -- ~ 2 years ago -- it would boot linux via bootp. I also had something of a useful distro (?) "installed", with binaries cribbed from a mix of stuff from handhelds.org and netwinder rpms. But it will probably take some doing to get it up and running since I have no documentation for the current firmware; and, the last time I checked, I wasn't greeted by a 'may I help you' prompt upon powering it up. [I would power it up now but I cannot find the power supply :) ] ...Dean

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synce, is a wonderful thing
by Wesley Allen 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

Hi all, I've actually managed to get my iPAQ connected to my linux laptop using my usb cable....and I've even gotten some files off it and opened them up with OOo. All-in-all, I'm happy. But I would like to back up the address files and convert them into something Linux can use. What files does pocket-pc use to keep their addressbook data in? Wes

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REMINDER: WLUG Meeting
by Andy Stewart 11 Dec '02

11 Dec '02

HI everybody, The next WLUG meeting will be held on Thursday, Dec. 12th at 7:00 PM in Kinnicutt Hall on the WPI campus in Worcester. At this meeting, we'll informally discuss the Linux news and events which took place over the year 2002. Let's take a look at how far Linux has come in the past year, and muse over where it will head during the next year. Look back through your old magazines, e-mails, and newsgroups and let's see how many different things we can remember about this past year and Linux. We will also hold a brainstorming session to get more details about upcoming WLUG meetings for the year 2003. After the meeting, we'll make our monthly pilgrimage to the Boynton Restaurant for some pizza and beer as we celebrate Linux and the holidays together. See ya later! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Upcoming meetings
by Andy Stewart 11 Dec '02

11 Dec '02

HI everybody, I like the idea of having a handhelds night, be they Zaurus, IPAQ, Palm, etc. I also would agree that January might be a good time for such a meeting. There seems to be a general consensus on this, so I'd like to propose that the January meeting will be the "Handhelds and Linux" meeting. I'll volunteer to bring my Palm IIIx and show how to sync it with Linux. Admittedly, that's not as cool as running Linux on the handheld itself, but hey, its one more thing to keep me away from Windows! I would like to hear from other volunteers who plan to bring their handheld devices so I can pencil you in. When I announce the meeting, I'd like to be able to say what types of devices will be discussed and demonstrated. That type of detail will draw people to the meeting. Note that Jon 'Maddog' Hall is scheduled to be our speaker at the February meeting. Maddog has come to WLUG meetings in the past and is an awesome speaker. You definitely do NOT want to miss this meeting! If we advertise this around the WPI campus and on the net, I don't see why we couldn't have a big crowd for this meeting. With regard to a possible LAN party, its not clear to me that we can pull it together just a few days before the meeting date (or am I wrong?), so should we plan on this for the March meeting? I propose that with all of the network gear and people's computers, we could accomodate the computer gamers as well as those who want security checks (nessus and the like), or even those who have never configured networking before and would like to give it a try. Given all of the above, that still leaves our December meeting open. What do folks think we can pull together in the next few days? Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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badblocks on ext3 fs
by Bill Mills-Curran 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

I've located the cause of weekly SCSI errors that I asked about a little while ago -- a backup program reads a file (not an important one) which has bad blocks. The file is on an ext3 file systems. My question is, do I use "e2fsck -c" to fix the problem? I'm under the impression that ext3 filesystems are just ext2 with journalling added, so that ext2 tools are the right ones to use. TIA, Bill

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Question on making a CD from a VHS...
by Stephen C. Daukas 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

Never having before played with music, etc., on a computer, I'm womndering if anyone hasd done this sort of thing before... I'm looking to take the music from a VHS tape and produce a CD for my wife for Christmas. Also, making a DVD of the VHS would be handy too. The issue here is that the VHS player isn't going to last forever, nor is the tape, and the DVD isn't available (nor is the soundtrack). Any suggestions for doing this? Steve

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RE: [Wlug] Lan party ideas...
by Haines, Charles Allen 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

Have you made sure that there will be enough power to accomodate this many computers. I've had to deal with this problem many times before and I know that both the Odeum and Riley Commons can support up to 50 computers. Once we decide on a location, I'll speak with NetOps about internet access. ============================================================= | Chuck Haines | WPI Box 1531 | | chaines(a)wpi.edu | 100 Institute Road | | http://www.linux-xtreme.net | Worcester, MA 01609 | ============================================================= | ECE Systems Admininstrator | AIM: CyberGrex | | GDC Developer | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | WPILA Lab Manager | ICQ: 3707881 | | Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity | IRC: termleech | ============================================================= -----Original Message----- From: Stephen C. Daukas [mailto:stephen@daukas.com] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 7:36 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Lan party ideas... I have a couple of ideas... The first one that comes to mind, regarding location, is to hold it at the Mass Academy of Math & Science at WPI, which is of course a part of WPI, and is loacted at 85 Prescott St. This is where WPI's campus expansion (gateway park) will be happening over the next N years. As is so happens, I'm a faculty member at the Academy (Computer Science) and have already secured permission to use the entire facility, if need be, for WLUG acitivity. There is one large room (a.k.a. the brick yard) where we can probably accomodate up to 30 people with various PCs on bench-tables (we have had 100+ people in there for presentations). This room has the same AV sysetm as Kinnekut Hall... In addition to that, we have a large "room" (a.k.a. the library) off of a number of classrooms that could also be used. Every room is equipped with drops (between a 6 and 30) that we could use if Chuck can secure permission to connect to the WPI network. As to what, well I must confess, I have never seen what the attraction is to playing computer games. I have brought up the possibility, as the last "Boynton meeting", of attracting the "technology" types from area schools (and the folks they hang out with) for an install fest and topical discussions revolving around getting Linux into the hands of students and family as well as the topic of running Linux on all the older PCs that many schools already have. My guess is that taking this route, instead of a night of games, would not only serve to help the communities in which we live, but also bolster WLUG's standing in central MA and probably double our membership as well... Steve > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Lanparty game
by Marc Hughes 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Just saw this... http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/1209.barr2.html And with all that talk about a lan party, a pure open source game sounds like a good idea :) Quick Summary: Zlib license 3d first person shooter called Cube available for windows & linux SDL opengl -Marc

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RE: [Wlug] Lan party ideas...
by Haines, Charles Allen 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Here is what I suggest. We co-sponsor this with the WPI Game Development Club. The GDC holds LAN parties often and would help us a great deal with the planning of this. I think its a great idea, having helped with many of the GDC LAN parties myself (I'm a GDC executive). For the installfest part, I say we charge nothing, unless the person doesn't have the distro on CD, in which case we can ask for a couple bucks to cover the cost of the CD's (since most distro's take up like 5 CD's now anyway). However, for the LAN party part, the way that the GDC usually does it is, $3 for GDC members, $5 for WPI students, and $7 for Consortium students, and $10 for everyone else. Now since WLUG is a WPI organization, we could say, $3 for WLUG / WPILA members and $5 for everyone else. I think that is a very fair price. As for placed to hold it. WPI would be more than happy to hold it. We really have two choices in the matter, Riley Commons, which is easy to get, but not very large. Or we can try and get the Odeum, which is much more tricky, but much larger and more power. Any WPI Alumni or current student can book either of these (though I've heard that Alumni have a better change of getting the Odeum than a student does). The link should be an isolated link just internally for the LAN party. If we want an outside link for the install fest portion, we will have to talk to netops and see what they can do. Right now, every machine on the WPI campus has to be registered for security reasons. They might be able to help us out with something. If we decided to turn this into more than a LAN party, I say we turn it into a series of small demos / tutorials kinda thing. We could host some beginner tutorials, like a basic recompiling of the kernel, a desktop setup, stuff like that. We could also hold more advanced tutorials such as iptables, security, clustering, stuff like that. I think that we should have the installfest go for like the first 3 hours, along with a LAN party, and then turn over to tutorials and workshops, maybe offering a couple at the same time to give people a choice. I'd really like to do something like this. As for time frame... GDC LAN parties usually last from around 6pm to whenever everyone leaves, which has been as late as 3am the next day. Now for this, I would say that something like 5-midnight, or something similiar would work well, giving us enough time for both the installfest and the workshops / tutorials. I suppose that is enough long windedness for me, ================================================= | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | ECE Sys Admin | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | GDC Developer | ICQ: 3707881 | ================================================= http://www.linux-xtreme.net -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:19 AM To: Wlug (E-mail) Subject: [Wlug] Lan party ideas... Hey All, So after reading Andy's email, it got me thinking about the whole installfest/lan party thing... and I'd like some input. 1. Do the members of WLUG think a lan party is a possible thing? 2. How many people do you think we could get to attend? 2a. How many people would we want to attend? At a certain point, if 200 people show up, it could get ugly... 3. Where and When could we hold such a shindig? Would this be something that the support staff at WPI would even entertain as an idea? Or, should we look else were... such as a VFW or some such place... 4. Should we have a link to the outside world, or should it just be an isolated LAN? 5. Time Frame... 6. What should we charge people (if anything) to attend? 7. Activities? This is where I want some broad input. Other than the obligatory FPS/RTS games, what other games or "stuff" would people like to see? I know Andy had mentioned a security demo... How about a clustering demo... Let me know what your ideas are... Thanks, Tim. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Possible Printer discussion
by Andy Stewart 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

HI everybody, If it were possible for me to get a person to speak to WLUG regarding printers and printer drivers, would that be of interest? (Hint: say "yes"). I'm thinking of a programmer's talk here, not a user level talk. For example, what does the skeleton of a printer driver look like? What functions must it provide to user level software, and what does it pass to a queueing system or perhaps directly to the printer? How are JPG pictures converted to dots of ink that appear on your printer paper? What's the deal with these different dithering algorithms? What is dithering, and why do it? These are just some ideas to get the creative juices flowing. Let me know what topics in this realm would be of interest at a future WLUG meeting. Once I have that information, I'll see if I can find a speaker to address these topics. Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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SuSE for Power Mac?
by Gregory Avedissian 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

Does anyone have a copy of SuSE for a power mac? My neighbor would like to get a copy, and we've all got 56k connections. Thanks. Greg

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web hosting
by Baris Hasdemir 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

hi all, I have a domain(hasdemir.com) hosted on linux by a web hosting company. Nowadays many emails that I have sent, neither bounce back or be received by the other company. Help desk of the web hosting company told me that probably there are filters for our network (by the way I have no idea on what network means here). here is what they exactly told me: >> why would they filter my domain which has only three email accounts, >> and never spammed throughout its life? > They don't block domain by domain but they block a whole network, they > don't care many domains in that network are legit. They are quite bad on informing the customer about ant problem. they refuse to show me the SMTP logs. It is Exim as far as I know. Would any of you tell me what my problem really might be? I need my web site hosted on a linux machine with mysql and php installed. What would your recommandations be for a web hosting firm? Things I would like to have, shell account with ssh connectivity and web space around 100MB. thanks, baris

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RE: [Wlug] Meeting Topic Discussion
by Haines, Charles Allen 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

I've used the firewall configurer in redhat, both lokkit and the one that comes with redhat. There really isn't much to them, but if no one else knows better than I, I'd be happy to show them. ================================================= | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | ECE Sys Admin | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | GDC Developer | ICQ: 3707881 | ================================================= http://www.linux-xtreme.net -----Original Message----- From: Wes Allen [mailto:wallen@charter.net] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:27 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Meeting Topic Discussion I just might have to tell my wife I'm coming to this one.... On Friday 06 December 2002 9:49 pm, Andy Stewart wrote: > HI Everybody, > > I've seen some good ideas floating around out there, as I knew I would once > the topic got going. Now the question you'll all hate: who wants to do > the presentation? :-) > > Is there anybody out there who is pretty well versed in IPTables that would > be willing to address the next WLUG meeting? > > Just a thought: Do we want to ask Robert Ziegler to come back and address > WLUG? He authored the Linux Firewalls book published by New Riders which > was updated for IPTables. He addressed WLUG about 18 months ago and his > talk was extremely detailed and technical. To be fair, some thought it was > a bit too detailed and dry. > > Along those lines, I thought it might be good to discuss the distribution > specific ways that firewalling is handled. I suspect that those are just > GUIs that build a list of IPTables filters anyway. Is there anybody out > there that is comfortable with discussing this for RedHat at the upcoming > meeting? How about some other distro? > > Thanks, > > Andy -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] Let's make WLUG meetings better!
by Haines, Charles Allen 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

I would be very interested in some security based presentations. I think setting up some boxes for "security" testing would be really cool. I'd be willing to donate my box to the cause. I'd also like to see a tutorial on iptables, cause they are a very usual thing. Other than that, I think a demo on wine, and getting some of that other OS's programs like dreamweaver mx, to work under wine. ================================================= | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | ECE Sys Admin | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | GDC Developer | ICQ: 3707881 | ================================================= http://www.linux-xtreme.net -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@attbi.com] Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 6:56 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group Subject: [Wlug] Let's make WLUG meetings better! HI everybody, I was a little disappointed at the turnout from the last WLUG meeting. We had 8 or 9 people show up, and while we did have a good time watching Scott and Doug get a couple of scanners working under Linux, it would have been alot more fun with more people in attendance. I believe this was the lowest attendance we've seen at a WLUG meeting in our 5.5 year history. :-( We discussed possible reasons for the low attendance at the Boynton over a few beers. One suggestion was that I should update the WLUG website to show what we have done at past meetings so people wouldn't think that nothing was accomplished. I've done that and will endeavor to keep that part of the WLUG website current (see "Past Meeting Information"). Another thought was that some people will only come to a meeting if the topic looks interesting to them, and if it is announced well in advance. I must admit to having been somewhat lax in that area lately. Therefore, in an attempt to remedy that (at least for this month), I'm putting out the call now for a speaker and a topic for the Dec. 12th meeting (its coming up fast!). I sent out a list of potential topics last month, but I know that there are a zilliion interesting things happening in the Linux world that could be discussed at a WLUG meeting. The meeting need not be discussion based, either! Although Kinnicutt Hall lends itself well to this type of meeting, we do have access to other rooms on campus. People have tossed out ideas such as these: o build a network for multiplayer Linux games o build a network to see if WLUG crackers can break into your system (not to destroy it, but to teach you what to fix to secure your system) o more live demos! The group exists to meet your needs, so please, state your needs! I can't arrange a meeting to your liking if I get no feedback on what you want to see at future WLUG meetings. More importantly, I'd like to see more and different people volunteer to do the presentations or to run a live demo. If you look back at the last year of WLUG meetings, you'll see the same names many times. While I'm *quite* happy that these folks continue to volunteer, I'd like to see others jump in also. Finally, if anybody has feedback regarding the last meeting and why it lacked attendees, please bring it up on the list so we can all discuss it. Without such candid discussions, WLUG cannot improve. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Meeting Topic Discussion
by Andy Stewart 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

HI Everybody, I've seen some good ideas floating around out there, as I knew I would once the topic got going. Now the question you'll all hate: who wants to do the presentation? :-) Is there anybody out there who is pretty well versed in IPTables that would be willing to address the next WLUG meeting? Just a thought: Do we want to ask Robert Ziegler to come back and address WLUG? He authored the Linux Firewalls book published by New Riders which was updated for IPTables. He addressed WLUG about 18 months ago and his talk was extremely detailed and technical. To be fair, some thought it was a bit too detailed and dry. Along those lines, I thought it might be good to discuss the distribution specific ways that firewalling is handled. I suspect that those are just GUIs that build a list of IPTables filters anyway. Is there anybody out there that is comfortable with discussing this for RedHat at the upcoming meeting? How about some other distro? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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fetchmail/sendmail problem... HELP
by Bill Mills-Curran 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

I REALLY need some help. I've included a lot of diagnostic stuff in this email to help the troubleshooting process. Please help. I'm struggling & I need some advice. The basic problem is that something changed between last night and this morning to make my email not work. Config details: ISP: charter email address subssn594(a)charter.net I use fetchmail to grab the email from the pop server (pop.charter.net) and deliver it to my local email account on my linux box (Red Hat 8.0) username on linux: bcurran fetchmailrc: poll pop.charter.net user subssn594 password xxxx fetchall When I run "fetchmail -v -v" I get good authentication, etc for both IMAP and POP3. I can see a list of email messages. When it retrieves messages I get (I'll just show the POP3 -- the IMAP is similar): fetchmail: POP3< +OK 2003 bytes will follow reading message 1 of 46 (2003 octets) About to rewrite Return-Path: <owner-gobruins(a)gobruins.ICSL.UCLA.EDU> Rewritten version is Return-Path: <owner-gobruins(a)gobruins.ICSL.UCLA.EDU> About to rewrite From: John Houser <jchouser(a)yahoo.com> Rewritten version is From: John Houser <jchouser(a)yahoo.com> About to rewrite To: gobruins(a)gobruins.icsl.ucla.edu Rewritten version is To: gobruins(a)gobruins.icsl.ucla.edu About to rewrite Sender: owner-gobruins(a)gobruins.icsl.ucla.edu Rewritten version is Sender: owner-gobruins(a)gobruins.icsl.ucla.edu fetchmail: timeout after 30 seconds waiting for listener to respond. fetchmail: client/server synchronization error while delivering to SMTP host pop.charter.net fetchmail: Query status=7 (ERROR) fetchmail: Deleting fetchids file. fetchmail: normal termination, status 7 Now, what I find is interesting is the message: Fetchmail: client/server synchronization error while delivering to SMTP host pop.charter.net It looks like it's trying to deliver to the pop server rather than my local account. WHY???? More stuff... I can email myself locally, so the SMTP server on my machine would appear to be ok. I can also telnet to the POP3 server and perform operations. My prime suspect is fetchmail. Somehow it seems to behave differently, and I have no idea why. Maybe there are different DNS entries or something causing fetchmail to deliver to the wrong place. (Of course, I don't know that the SMTP message is accurate or misleading.) TIA, Bill P.S. If you'd like to chat on the phone, please feel free. I need to get this fixed. -- Bill Mills-Curran Mills-Curran_Bill(a)emc.com EMC Corporation Tel: 508 382-7642 Coslin Drive, MS C33 Fax: 508 382-7913 Southboro, MA 01772 Tie: 824-27642

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...we WILL take over the world </maniacal laughter>
by Mike Peckar 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

Walmart is now selling Lindows boxes for $199... http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/12/05/sproject.hs02.cheap.pc.reut/index.h tml

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web hosting
by Baris Hasdemir 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

hi all, I have a domain(hasdemir.com) hosted on linux by a web hosting company. Nowadays many emails that I have sent, neither bounce back or be received by the other company. Help desk of the web hosting company told me that probably there are filters for our network (by the way I have no idea on what network means here). here is what they exactly told me: >> why would they filter my domain which has only three email accounts, >> and never spammed throughout its life? > They don't block domain by domain but they block a whole network, they > don't care many domains in that network are legit. They are quite bad on informing the customer about ant problem. they refuse to show me the SMTP logs. It is Exim as far as I know. Would any of you tell me what my problem really might be? I need my web site hosted on a linux machine with mysql and php installed. What would your recommandations be for a web hosting firm? Things I would like to have, shell account with ssh connectivity and web space around 100MB. thanks, baris

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RE: [Wlug] Let's make WLUG meetings better!
by Keller, Tim 05 Dec '02

05 Dec '02

Bill, Instead of using wine, you should look at using wineX instead. It's got much better support for games than just base WINE... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Smith [mailto:wsmith@chezsmith.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 6:32 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Let's make WLUG meetings better! On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:46:45 -0500 "Haines, Charles Allen" <chaines(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: HCA> I would be very interested in some security based presentations. I HCA> think setting up some boxes for "security" testing would be really HCA> cool. I'd be willing to donate my box to the cause. I'd also like HCA> to see a tutorial on iptables, cause they are a very usual thing. HCA> Other than that, I think a demo on wine, and getting some of that HCA> other OS's programs like dreamweaver mx, to work under wine. AYE AYE! :) i've been toying with getting WINE to work with Warcraft II, but although it's supposed to work, i can't seem to get it to do anything constructive. 8( as for the iptables, i know that it was done a little over a year ago, but maybe there could be a bit of an update session, to cover anything that has changed since then... for example, i was looking at a guide to using the iproute2 suite, and i think there are a lot of things that i need to learn. again. <g> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com "Never to be credited when telling the truth." -- Aristotle, when he was asked what a man gains by telling a lie. * TAG! v3.1 *

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printing config question
by Bill Mills-Curran 05 Dec '02

05 Dec '02

Problem: I'm not able to print multiple copies (or access any printer options). My setup... I have print queues configured on machines at home (parallel port connect) and at work (printing to smb printers on the network). In both cases, I'm running Red Hat 8.0. I have not installed cups. I'm using the CANON bjc600 driver at home and "Postscript Printer" at work. How can I get lpr options to work? TIA, Bill

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regular SCSI errors in log
by Bill Mills-Curran 04 Dec '02

04 Dec '02

I've just noticed that a server I support has been logging SCSI errors every Friday at about the same time. It's just a quick blip of error messages, then on to normal business: Nov 29 20:31:25 esd-tls01 kernel: SCSI disk error : host 0 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 return code = 28000002 Nov 29 20:31:25 esd-tls01 kernel: Current sd08:07: sense key Hardware Error Nov 29 20:31:25 esd-tls01 kernel: Additional sense indicates Internal target failure Nov 29 20:31:25 esd-tls01 kernel: I/O error: dev 08:07, sector 92510 Nov 29 20:31:25 esd-tls01 kernel: sym53c896-0-<0,*>: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s (50.0 ns, offset 15) Nov 29 20:31:29 esd-tls01 kernel: SCSI disk error : host 0 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 return code = 28000002 Nov 29 20:31:29 esd-tls01 kernel: Current sd08:07: sense key Hardware Error Nov 29 20:31:29 esd-tls01 kernel: Additional sense indicates Internal target failure Nov 29 20:31:29 esd-tls01 kernel: I/O error: dev 08:07, sector 92510 Nov 29 20:31:29 esd-tls01 kernel: sym53c896-0-<0,*>: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s (50.0 ns, offset 15) Here's the output of "cat /proc/scsi/scsi" Attached devices: Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: IBM Model: DGHS09Y CLAR09 Rev: 1A1A Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 03 Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 01 Lun: 00 Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST39102L CLAR09 Rev: AV05 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 06 Lun: 00 Vendor: ESG-SHV Model: SCA HSBP M8 Rev: 0.05 Type: Processor ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Host: scsi3 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: DGC Model: RAID 5 Rev: 0847 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 04 Host: scsi3 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 01 Vendor: DGC Model: RAID 5 Rev: 0847 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 04 I've looked at my cron jobs, and I see anything that runs about that time on Fridays. One other weird thing... The console is unresponsive. I can't log in on tty1. The other tty's seem fine. I tried killing the process on tty1 so it would respawn (which it did), but that did not make tty1 usable. Any ideas? TIA, Bill

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Lan party ideas...
by Keller, Tim 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

Hey All, So after reading Andy's email, it got me thinking about the whole installfest/lan party thing... and I'd like some input. 1. Do the members of WLUG think a lan party is a possible thing? 2. How many people do you think we could get to attend? 2a. How many people would we want to attend? At a certain point, if 200 people show up, it could get ugly... 3. Where and When could we hold such a shindig? Would this be something that the support staff at WPI would even entertain as an idea? Or, should we look else were... such as a VFW or some such place... 4. Should we have a link to the outside world, or should it just be an isolated LAN? 5. Time Frame... 6. What should we charge people (if anything) to attend? 7. Activities? This is where I want some broad input. Other than the obligatory FPS/RTS games, what other games or "stuff" would people like to see? I know Andy had mentioned a security demo... How about a clustering demo... Let me know what your ideas are... Thanks, Tim.

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more alphabet soup :-(
by doug waud 02 Dec '02

02 Dec '02

Hi again Just got the latest PC Magazine and I note that my table of CD/DVD acronyms (plagarized from PC World) is already out of date. :-) Now we have CD-MRW where the M refers to Mount Ranier. Although "there have been no specific announcements of DVD+MRW drives yet, Phillips recently proposed an addition ... The Sony DRU-500A apparently ships with Mount Ranier. (The Mount Ranier format put a Main defect table in the Lead-in area (area outside the data area) and a copy of the defect table in the lead-out area.It also sets aside some space in the data area as a "replacement area" where date which would have landed in a bad block is put. The price is somewhat slower reads/writes and slightly reduced capacity. The gain is reliability. Non-MRW drives will need custom software to read MRW data.) doug

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Meeting topics...
by Joel Desrochers 02 Dec '02

02 Dec '02

I have started coming recently and I am very happy with the meeting format and content. I would be very interested in the security-type Linux discussions and demos, including related product demos and breakin & fixit seminars. I had a family emergency this past week which kept me away in November. I already know that a must-attend company Christmas party will keep me from the December meeting. I am looking forward to the January meeting, Joel Desrochers _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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RE: DVD writer
by Scott Prive 02 Dec '02

02 Dec '02

This drive (Sony) currently is not 100% supported by the dvdrtools package. The DVD+R and +RW portion works, but not the -R -RW. The authors of dvdrtools have not yet added support or figured out the firmware (specs? what specs?) The "dash" formats for this drive *may* burn from the non-free dvdrecord-pro package (same author as cdrecord). I saw one report of success. If you're looking for a DVD recorder for Linux, the Pioneer DVR-XXX line is the best supported (I have a DVR-104 which is the OEM ver of DVR-A04). These are DVD-R/-RW burners, with the -105 model now supporting 4X DVD-R. For backups you won't care about DVD-R's greater compatability with DVD-Video... but you might care about greater compatability with DVD-ROM readers (you wouldn't want to restore from the burner as the read speed won't match a speedy ROM drive like Pioneer DVD-117). The other benefit to -R/-RW is media price: the "dash" formats typically cost half what the "plus" formats. I pay 60 cents each for a 100-DVD spindle from Meritline. > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert L Krawitz [mailto:rlk@alum.mit.edu] > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 9:23 PM > To: discuss(a)blu.org; wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: DVD writer > > > I'm thinking of getting a DVD writer. My primary intention is to use > it for system backups; CD's just don't cut it any more (with about 18 > GB and 11 GB respectively on my two systems). The Sony DRU-500A looks > like a rather interesting one, supporting a lot of formats. Any > comments on that vs. any of the others out there? This is for a pure > Linux system. > > -- > Robert Krawitz > <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> > > Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 > Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net > Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net > > "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." > --Eric Crampton > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss(a)blu.org > http://www.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >

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Finally, Linux With a Lot Less Fuss
by Karl Hiramoto 02 Dec '02

02 Dec '02

Good article in the washington post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48924-2002Nov27.html By Rob Pegoraro Sunday, December 1, 2002; Page H07 Over the past few weeks, I've installed Linux on three computers without breaking into fits of cursing. That's a novel development in my experience with this open-source operating system. The version I've been using is Red Hat Linux 8.0, shipped by Raleigh, N.C.-based Red Hat in late September. This is the first Linux distribution I've tried that hasn't made me feel as if I'm about to step on a rake and have its handle swing into my face. Parts of this are still infuriatingly convoluted, but if you've been thinking about trying out Linux on part of your hard drive -- or about dumping Windows entirely -- this is what I'd recommend. Why would you want to do that? One, Linux is cheap or free -- your choice. The personal edition of Red Hat 8 sells for $40 in stores, or you can download three CDs' worth at no charge (www.redhat.com) Nearly all Linux programs are also free to use. Two, Linux is free in another way: "Open source" means anybody can look at a program's code and tinker with it. Three, if you are inclined to tinker and try out new programs, Linux can be an interesting place. It's one of the most customizable operating systems, and quite a few Linux development projects -- for example, DVD playback -- seem to be hitting their stride. Four, while Linux has plenty of bugs and security issues, it is virus-free compared with Windows. All these qualities come with trade-offs, the big one being an often agonizing inscrutability. Red Hat 8 doesn't abolish these shortcomings but does bring them to a more manageable level. Its installation is quick and clean. Notwithstanding a clumsy disk-setup module (either partition your hard drive with another program or be prepared to wipe it clean), you can blithely go with the default settings and have a working desktop in less than 45 minutes. That includes functioning audio and video hardware, something beyond my reach in earlier Linux experiments. On each of three test PCs -- an old IBM desktop, a moderately recent IBM ThinkPad T21 and a brand-new Hewlett-Packard Media Center PC -- Red Hat 8 automatically and correctly set up the sound and graphics cards. It then accepted a digital-subscriber-line or office-network connection with no more configuration than Windows would require, and with the proper firewall protection enabled by default. A modem connection, unfortunately but predictably, was out of the question. Most PCs' internal modems require some fairly complicated, proprietary Windows software to function, and many manufacturers don't offer Linux versions of this software or documentation that would let other programmers handle the job. Red Hat 8 also couldn't do anything with the USB 2.0 ports on the HP, although it's supposed to support them. Red Hat 8's biggest departure from Linux convention is in its look. The company replaced the usual Linux front end with its own streamlined "Bluecurve" interface, which looks vaguely like Windows XP scrubbed of the neon colors. It also swept the system task bar and menu largely free of redundant or useless extras, although it lacks a simple way to edit the layout of those menus (say, if you'd like to consolidate the five or so system-options entries). Red Hat's software bundle focuses on the basics: the excellent Mozilla Web browser, the OpenOffice productivity suite (which read all of the Microsoft Office files I tried), and Evolution, an application featuring e-mail, an address book and a calendar that feels like a simplified version of Microsoft Outlook. What you won't find, however, is multimedia capability beyond a few image viewers and editors. Red Hat 8 ships without any way to play MP3 files, let alone create them. The company says it's concerned about the MP3 format's licensing requirements, but those issues haven't stopped other Linux distributions from including MP3 software. (Red Hat 8 does support an open-source music format called Ogg Vorbis, but its CD-ripping program isn't set up by default to use it.) MP3 software isn't hard to find and install in the "RPM" download format Red Hat developed, but you have to know where to look. And that's the thing: Red Hat 8 gets enough of the basics right to let you go online without injuring yourself (well, provided you don't need a modem). It could serve somebody well as a basic Web, e-mail and word-processing desktop. But going beyond the basics requires a willingness to learn. For instance, Red Hat 8's included digital-camera program took hours of tweaking before it would intermittently download pictures from a Canon S100 digital camera. I still can't get the Pilot-Link program to work with a Sony Clie handheld, although an upcoming release is supposed to fix that. Non-RPM software installs, which require mastering command-line syntax, are another problem. Sometimes things work out -- copying and pasting the right commands had the ThinkPad playing back a DVD in about half an hour -- and at other times you're stymied by missing or mismatched files. And many add-on programs, unlike Red Hat's core software, come with clumsy, user-hostile interfaces designed by programmers for other programmers. Ultimately, there's no substitute for personal help from a Linux veteran, whether online or in a local user group. All this self-inflicted effort might seem like a big waste of time. Then again, so can cooking, woodworking, collecting baseball cards or many other things people do to amuse themselves, and without getting a working PC in the process. Living with technology, or trying to? E-mail Rob Pegoraro at rob(a)twp.com. -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø I have more hit points that you can possible imagine.

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Let's make WLUG meetings better!
by Andy Stewart 01 Dec '02

01 Dec '02

HI everybody, I was a little disappointed at the turnout from the last WLUG meeting. We had 8 or 9 people show up, and while we did have a good time watching Scott and Doug get a couple of scanners working under Linux, it would have been alot more fun with more people in attendance. I believe this was the lowest attendance we've seen at a WLUG meeting in our 5.5 year history. :-( We discussed possible reasons for the low attendance at the Boynton over a few beers. One suggestion was that I should update the WLUG website to show what we have done at past meetings so people wouldn't think that nothing was accomplished. I've done that and will endeavor to keep that part of the WLUG website current (see "Past Meeting Information"). Another thought was that some people will only come to a meeting if the topic looks interesting to them, and if it is announced well in advance. I must admit to having been somewhat lax in that area lately. Therefore, in an attempt to remedy that (at least for this month), I'm putting out the call now for a speaker and a topic for the Dec. 12th meeting (its coming up fast!). I sent out a list of potential topics last month, but I know that there are a zilliion interesting things happening in the Linux world that could be discussed at a WLUG meeting. The meeting need not be discussion based, either! Although Kinnicutt Hall lends itself well to this type of meeting, we do have access to other rooms on campus. People have tossed out ideas such as these: o build a network for multiplayer Linux games o build a network to see if WLUG crackers can break into your system (not to destroy it, but to teach you what to fix to secure your system) o more live demos! The group exists to meet your needs, so please, state your needs! I can't arrange a meeting to your liking if I get no feedback on what you want to see at future WLUG meetings. More importantly, I'd like to see more and different people volunteer to do the presentations or to run a live demo. If you look back at the last year of WLUG meetings, you'll see the same names many times. While I'm *quite* happy that these folks continue to volunteer, I'd like to see others jump in also. Finally, if anybody has feedback regarding the last meeting and why it lacked attendees, please bring it up on the list so we can all discuss it. Without such candid discussions, WLUG cannot improve. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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DVD writeable media
by Andy Stewart 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

HI everybody, The message thread about DVD writers makes me think that there are many standards or types of writeable DVD media that not all drives can handle - is this true? Could somebody compare/contrast the different types? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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OT: 6 disc changer + tape deck 4 sale
by Karl Hiramoto 27 Nov '02

27 Nov '02

Sorry about the spam... I'm trying to get rid of my old car stereo. * Clarion ARX 5470 Tape Deck o 35 Watts * 4 Ch. (140 Watts) o AM/FM Radio o CD Controller o Detachable Face o CD Changer Controller o RCA Outputs * Clarion 6 Disc CD Changer RDC634 o Model RDC634 o 6 Disc CD Magazine (CAA-355) o Very good Skip protection o 8 X Times oversampling o Digital Filter o Dual 1 Bit DAC http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1871972065&rd… -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Just because everything is different doesn't mean anything has changed. -- Irene Peter

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RE: [Wlug] DVD writeable media
by Keller, Tim 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

Well the next question is... What do you want todo... The cross post in question wants to backup large amounts of data. I would think a drive that could do DVD-RW or DVD+RW would be their choice since they could setup some sorta rotation. As for supported drives you'd want to check the cdrecord website. Now, if you want to make backups of the DVD's that you own, or convert the VHS you've got into DVD, you'll also want a drive that can author DVD disks. However you'll want to check a site like www.vcdhelper.org they've got a good matrix of what different disks DVD players supports (such as VCD/SVCD/DVD-R/DVD-RW/etc...) Personally I've had luck making backup's of my DVD's onto DVD-R media. However this was using a mix of freeware windows utilities and Nero, I'm pretty sure that that the cdrcord-prodvd utilities it would work fine. Later, Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Brian J. Conway [mailto:bconway@alum.wpi.edu] Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 15:36 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] DVD writeable media > The message thread about DVD writers makes me think that there are many > standards or types of writeable DVD media that not all drives can handle > - is this true? Yes, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW, and DVD-RAM. Why share sales with a standard format when a company can make up its own DVD standard to sell and hope to take the market with? > Could somebody compare/contrast the different types? Here's a good rundown on the different types: http://www.dvformat.com/2002/03_mar/features/dvd_standards.htm Brian J. Conway bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992 _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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DVD writer
by Robert L Krawitz 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

I'm thinking of getting a DVD writer. My primary intention is to use it for system backups; CD's just don't cut it any more (with about 18 GB and 11 GB respectively on my two systems). The Sony DRU-500A looks like a rather interesting one, supporting a lot of formats. Any comments on that vs. any of the others out there? This is for a pure Linux system. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

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RE: [Wlug] Partition left 7 Gbs!
by dibb_jim＠emc.com 21 Nov '02

21 Nov '02

You are probably seeing the difference between 80 * 10^9 representation and 80 * 2^30 representation of GB. An "80 GB" drive usually is seen by an OS as having ~73 GB of space. But without stating why you think so, it's difficult to tell for sure. -----Original Message----- From: Aramico To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Sent: 11/21/02 7:37 AM Subject: [Wlug] Partition left 7 Gbs! Hi all, I've got a Baracuda 7200 RPM 80 Gbs Seagate. I've creating the partition using fdisk on Linux RedHat. Why does it always leave 7 Gbs that not partitioned ? So, Here I have 7 Gbs space useless :( Any idea to solve this ? Thanks, _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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[Fwd: Clarify: GRUB setup on RAID1]
by Brett Russ 21 Nov '02

21 Nov '02

Can anyone on this list shed some light on my question below? Thanks, Brett -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Clarify: GRUB setup on RAID1 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:34:03 -0500 From: Brett Russ <icycle(a)charter.net> To: bug-grub(a)gnu.org I looked through all of the archives on this list as well as google searching for help. I want to make sure that GRUB supports installation on RAID1 (mirror) units. I have seen several methods to do this: Method 1) device (hd0) /dev/hde root (hd0,0) install /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0,0) /boot/grub/stage2 0x8000 (hd0,0)/boot/grub/menu.lst install /boot/grub/stage1 d (hd0) /boot/grub/stage2 0x8000 (hd0,0)/boot/grub/menu.lst device (hd0) /dev/hdg root (hd0,0) install /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0,0) /boot/grub/stage2 0x8000 (hd0,0)/boot/grub/menu.lst install /boot/grub/stage1 d (hd0) /boot/grub/stage2 0x8000 (hd0,0)/boot/grub/menu.lst ...and so on for each device--substituting each additional RAID1 member drive in the /dev/hdX line. Method 2) echo '(hd0) /dev/md0' > /boot/grub/device.map grub-install '(hd0)' ...and so on for each (hd#) that is part of the md. Method 3) root (hd0,0) setup (hd0) ...and so on for each hd# present in the RAID1. My question is whether the /dev/hdX syntax or /dev/md# or (hd#) syntax is correct and what the significance of the value 0x8000 for the Stage 2 load address. It certainly seems like method 3 is the cleanest. And, are any of these methods considered better than the others? Thanks, Brett _______________________________________________ Bug-grub mailing list Bug-grub(a)gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-grub

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Sar for Linux
by Adam Keck 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

Those of you who use Solaris or AIX have access to a system statistics tool, sar. Is there any equivalent tool for Linux? -Adam "lingua machinationis creo, ergo sum" _____________________________________________ Adam Keck The Mathworks 508-647-7298 Natick, Ma www.mathworks.com FreeNIX/Backup/Unix Administrator _____________________________________________

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RE: [Wlug] Sar for Linux
by Keller, Tim 20 Nov '02

20 Nov '02

I'm not sure what distro your using, but my Redhat 7.3 box has sar installed. Tim. "It's pretty hard to 'Rage Against The Machine' when you work for the Sony Corporation" -- funny slashdot sig. -----Original Message----- From: Adam Keck [mailto:akeck@mathworks.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 15:25 PM To: WLUG List Subject: [Wlug] Sar for Linux Those of you who use Solaris or AIX have access to a system statistics tool, sar. Is there any equivalent tool for Linux? -Adam "lingua machinationis creo, ergo sum" _____________________________________________ Adam Keck The Mathworks 508-647-7298 Natick, Ma www.mathworks.com FreeNIX/Backup/Unix Administrator _____________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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REMINDER: Meeting Wed. Nov. 20, 7 PM
by Andy Stewart 18 Nov '02

18 Nov '02

HI everybody, This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting, to be held on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 7:00 PM in Kinnicutt Hall at WPI in Worcester, MA. I'm open for topics to be discussed at this meeting. Ideally, I'm hoping somebody will volunteer at the last minute to talk to the group about some topic of interest. Surprisingly enough, this happens frequently and works out well when all is said and done, so I'm not in a panic (yet). My only problem with this is that some folks come to a meeting only if the topic is announced in advance and it is of interest to them. So, what do you say, gang? Here are some ideas which I had: a) Does anybody want to demo their scanner under Linux? How about a live install of SANE ? b) Linux software for (grand)kids - I"ve seen TuxPaint and KTuberling, there must be others. Inquiring kids want to know! c) TiVO - doesn't that run Linux? Can you do any interesting hacks to the Linux software that could be demonstrated at our meeting? d) MAME - some guys at work built a MAME machine. Maybe you did, too? Tell us about it, or better yet, bring the machine to the meeting. e) LTSP - this one might be a bit involved if the demo was from scratch, and would involve around 2 or 3 computers to be useful. Does anybody have any experience with this? f) Do you have other ideas? Let the group know what they are! The "live demo" meetings have been well received in the past, especially if some problem crops up during the demo (which makes us demo folks squirm uncomfortably, to the amusement of the audience!). I hope somebody volunteers to speak at the next meeting. It'll be pretty boring otherwise, and nobody wants that to be the case. I've been working flat out for the last couple of months and have no time to prepare anything for ths meeting. If you want to volunteer, send me or the group e-mail ASAP. You'll be glad you did. :-) Thanks! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Kevin Mitnick speaking at Marlboro Softpro tonight...
by Keller, Tim 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

A buddy of mine just let me know that Kevin Mitnick will be speaking at Softpro books in Marlboro @6:30pm. Thought you might find that tidbit a bit interesting... Tim.

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Thanks
by Pierce Barnard 12 Nov '02

12 Nov '02

Hi , I just wanted to thank all those who assisted me in getting Samba up and running. Thanks again.

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Re: [Wlug] mounting bsd44 under RedHat
by Peter Gutowski 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

sorry for the confusion. Here's the corrected snippet: I think you really need to type in 'ufstype=44bsd' and not just '44bsd' so your mount command probably should be: mount -t ufs -o ufstype=bsd44 /dev/hdc1 /hdc1 ( in your linux src directory, see fs/ufs/super.c ) HTH. -pg

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Re: [Wlug] mounting bsd44 under RedHat
by Peter Gutowski 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

I think you really need to type in 'ufsoption=44bsd' and not just '44bsd' so your mount command probably should be: mount -t ufs -o ufstype=bsd44 /dev/hdc1 /hdc1 ( in your linux src directory, see fs/ufs/super.c ) HTH. -pg On Monday, November 11, 2002 1:45 PM, Christopher B Stank <stanky(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: >Opps! > >When I said bsd44, I actually meant 44bsd. > >Mount options for ufs > ufstype=value > > UFS is a file system widely used in different operating >systems. The problems are differences among implementations. Features of >some implementations are undocumented, so its hard to recognize the type >of ufs automatically. That's why the user must specify the type of ufs by >mount option. Possible values are: > > old Old format of ufs, this is the default, read only. > > 44bsd For filesystems created by a BSD-like system >(NetBSD,FreeBSD,OpenBSD). > >etc. > >Sorry for any confusion! I have also tried it without the -o 44bsd and >get the same error. > >/Chris > > -- Peter Gutowski <peter(a)linuxchamps.com> // tel.: (413) 531-0123 "When in company, put not your hands to any part of the body not usually discovered." --George Washington, _Rules for Civility and Decent Behavior_

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Re: [Wlug] mounting bsd44 under RedHat
by Peter Gutowski 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

Sometimes you gotta believe the error message. I've reread the mount man page and I see no reference to bsd44 as being a legal option. Have you tried issuing the command without the '-o bsd44'? On Monday, November 11, 2002 7:19 AM, Christopher B Stank <stanky(a)parrottech.net> wrote: >Greetings All! > >I am having an issue when attempting to mount a bsd44 (a freebsd >partition) under a base install of Redhat 8.0. > >The kernel is 2.4.18-14, and has loaded the ufs f/s module. > >The FAT looks like: > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System >/dev/hdc1 * 1 1912 15358108+ a5 FreeBSD >/dev/hdc2 * 1913 8796 55295730 a5 FreeBSD >/dev/hdc3 * 8797 9688 7164990 a5 FreeBSD >/dev/hdc4 * 9689 9731 345397+ a5 FreeBSD > >I have attempted to mount the hdc1 partition as follows: >mount -t ufs -o bsd44 /dev/hdc1 /hdc1 > >and I get the following error: >"mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc1, > or too many mounted file systems" > >Does anyone have any insight as to what I am doing wrong! Any help would >be greatly appreciated, as I need to get the data off these FreeBSD >partitions before I format them as EXT3. > >Thanks in advance! >/Chris >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Peter Gutowski <peter(a)linuxchamps.com> // tel.: (413) 531-0123 "When in company, put not your hands to any part of the body not usually discovered." --George Washington, _Rules for Civility and Decent Behavior_

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mounting bsd44 under RedHat
by Christopher B Stank 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

Greetings All! I am having an issue when attempting to mount a bsd44 (a freebsd partition) under a base install of Redhat 8.0. The kernel is 2.4.18-14, and has loaded the ufs f/s module. The FAT looks like: Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hdc1 * 1 1912 15358108+ a5 FreeBSD /dev/hdc2 * 1913 8796 55295730 a5 FreeBSD /dev/hdc3 * 8797 9688 7164990 a5 FreeBSD /dev/hdc4 * 9689 9731 345397+ a5 FreeBSD I have attempted to mount the hdc1 partition as follows: mount -t ufs -o bsd44 /dev/hdc1 /hdc1 and I get the following error: "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc1, or too many mounted file systems" Does anyone have any insight as to what I am doing wrong! Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I need to get the data off these FreeBSD partitions before I format them as EXT3. Thanks in advance! /Chris -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Christopher Bruce Stank cstank(a)nortelnetworks.com CES - Sys Test Engineering (978) 288-6185 Nortel Networks (508) 769-9664 (cel) 600 Technology Park (978) 445-5328 (pgr) M/S E65/60/301 (978) 288-4004 (fax) Billerica, MA 01821 248-6185 (esn)

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How to setup Samba
by Pierce Barnard 11 Nov '02

11 Nov '02

Hello, I am trying to configure Samba on my Suse Box to share files with my Windows ME box. Is there a webpage or document that I can use to set up Samba?

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RE: [Wlug] Routing problem -can I believe the ISP tech? #2
by Richard Goodman 09 Nov '02

09 Nov '02

> > >> Firewall is based on IPChains firewall from Ziegler's book "Linux >> Firewalls" 1st ed, which denies all then allows as needed. I've >> triple-checked the firewall -- the only non-comment changes made were >> all added ACCEPT statements, all cut&pasted from the Home firewall. >> There are no IP-specific denies that I added to the firewall - and I >> haven't updated rc.firewall.blocked in months. > >Sounds like you're further up on Linux firewalling than I am, actually. For >myself, I run a modified Linux Router Project disk image, and let NAT and >Portsentry take care of most of my issues. If you say it's clean, then it >must be clean. Understand though, the techs will NEVER believe this. At ALL. >If you made changes to a firewall and then you couldn't access, it's >Somebody Else's Problem, and that's their professional opinion. (I should >know, I was one. :) ) > Well, the problem was in the firewall, but it doesn't explain EVERYTHING that happened. After two hours on the phone Mon afternoon with Qwest tech support level 2, they insisted I try ping/traceroute with the firewall disabled. Pings moved through as expected ...hmmmm I'd been through the firewall code so many times I just about had it memorized, so I decided to look at the file rc.firewall.blocked which it reads, which has of a list of IPChains statements blocking IP#s (which the main firewall doesn't do). I hadn't really updated this much recently, because when someone started banging on the firewall, it was tough to know if it was a static IP or not. Anyways ... found TWO entries that were <Home IP#>/24 and <Home network>/24 ... basically the same thing. Don't remember putting THOSE in there <g> When I rebuilt the last hacked machine (EFO) I copied rc.firewall and rc.firewall.blocked from the home machine, because I couldn't read the copies I'd backed up from EFO.... so the block against the Home IP was at both ends of the link. The only mystery is why everything worked for two hours Friday night before I reloaded the EFO firewall -- because the rc.firewall.blocked file hadn't been changed in more than a week, and had already been loaded with the firewall when I first brought up the EFO server on Friday. Now if I could get any takers on finding out why none of my servers can send email to each other (but only each other) since they were upgrade from RH7.0 to RH7.3 (sendmail 8.11.6) I'll be all set. [Email to list 10/31] Dick

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RE: [Wlug] Procmail Question
by Marc Hughes 08 Nov '02

08 Nov '02

OK, spamassasin looks pretty damned cool ... I love the "reasons" why something is spam. -Marc SPAM: Content analysis details: (8.10 hits, 5 required) SPAM: TO_NO_USER (1.7 points) To: has no local-part before @ sign SPAM: SMTPD_IN_RCVD (1.2 points) Received via SMTPD32 server (SMTPD32-n.n) SPAM: X_PRIORITY_HIGH (0.4 points) Sent with 'X-Priority' set to high SPAM: X_MSMAIL_PRIORITY_HIGH (0.4 points) Sent with 'X-Msmail-Priority' set to high SPAM: USER_AGENT_OE (0.2 points) X-Mailer header indicates a non-spam MUA (Outlook Express) SPAM: ACT_NOW (0.3 points) BODY: Act Now! Don't Hesitate! SPAM: EXCUSE_14 (0.2 points) BODY: Tells you how to stop further spam SPAM: EXCUSE_1 (0.1 points) BODY: Gives an excuse about why you were sent this spam SPAM: SPAM_PHRASE_03_05 (1.1 points) BODY: Spam phrases score is 03 to 05 (medium) SPAM: [score: 3] SPAM: BIG_FONT (0.3 points) BODY: FONT Size +2 and up or 3 and up SPAM: HTML_WITH_BGCOLOR (0.3 points) BODY: HTML mail with non-white background SPAM: HTML_FONT_COLOR_RED (0.3 points) BODY: HTML font color is red SPAM: HTML_50_70 (0.3 points) BODY: Message is 50-70% HTML tags SPAM: HTML_FONT_COLOR_NOHASH (0.2 points) BODY: HTML font color is missing hash ( SPAM: HTML_FONT_COLOR_BLUE (0.2 points) BODY: HTML font color is blue SPAM: MISSING_MIMEOLE (0.5 points) Message has X-MSMail-Priority, but no X-MimeOLE SPAM: CTYPE_JUST_HTML (0.4 points) HTML-only mail, with no text version -----Original Message----- From: Theo Van Dinter [mailto:felicity@kluge.net] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:13 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Procmail Question On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 10:07:37AM -0500, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > :0: > * 1^1 ^From.*jenny(a)axte84\.com > * 1^1 ^Subject.*MILLION OPT-IN EMAIL ADDRESSES > Badspam Oops, slight update: :0: * 1^0 ^From.*jenny(a)axte84\.com * 1^0 ^Subject.*MILLION OPT-IN EMAIL ADDRESSES Badspam I believe they'd be functionally equivilent for you, but the first one keeps looking for matches after the first hit. The second one stops at 1 hit, so it's more efficient. :) There's a nice discussion about this stuff at: http://www.rosat.mpe-garching.mpg.de/mailing-lists/procmail/1998-01/msg0 0335.html :) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "This is a beta release of Red Hat Linux. It is not intended for mission critical applications. It's not even intended for non-mission critical applications. Important data should not be entrusted to Wolverine, as it may eat it and make loud belching noises." - RedHat Beta release "Wolverine"

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RE: [Wlug] Procmail Question
by Marc Hughes 08 Nov '02

08 Nov '02

With the locking (:0:) all seems to work now. I'm guessing it's because I have an IMAP connection open to the mailbox while I receive the new email and it get's processed. While we're talking about procmail... A second question: :0: * ^From.*jenny(a)axte84\.com * ^Subject.*MILLION OPT-IN EMAIL ADDRESSES Badspam This will do an AND between the two conditions ... Is there an easy way to OR between them? ... Or do I need to make a separate rule for each and every condition? And an even further note... What are the thoughts on some of these anti-spam tools that work with procmail? Any favorites? Thanks a lot guys, -Marc -----Original Message----- From: Theo Van Dinter [mailto:felicity@kluge.net] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:21 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Procmail Question On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 09:13:18AM -0500, Peter Gutowski wrote: > According to the man page the second ":" is optional, i.e. > > :0: > > but, as a sample of something known to work (from the SpamAssassin > sample .procmailrc) it does use the above syntax. Here's the example: > > So maybe the second ":" is not optional all the time? Just so we're all clear, the second ":" tells procmail that is needs to lock the file before writing to avoid corrupted mailboxes. So it's a good idea if you're writing to a mailbox, but isn't actually required, especially if you're writing to /dev/null or something. I didn't see anything wrong offhand with the procmail rules shown. Can we see the header of an example mail which doesn't work with the original but works with the carbon copy method? (and by work, just to double check, we're talking about the message going into the "test" folder). -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "When it is not necessary to make a decision, it is necessary not to make a decision." - From www.slashdot.org

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Re: [Wlug] Procmail Question
by Peter Gutowski 08 Nov '02

08 Nov '02

According to the man page the second ":" is optional, i.e. :0: but, as a sample of something known to work (from the SpamAssassin sample .procmailrc) it does use the above syntax. Here's the example: # Mails with a score of 15 or higher are almost certainly spam (with 0.05% # false positives according to rules/STATISTICS.txt). Let's put them in a # different mbox. (This one is optional.) :0: * ^X-Spam-Level: \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\* mail/almost-certainly-spam The above *does* work on my system (RHL8.0). So maybe the second ":" is not optional all the time? HTH, Peter On Friday, November 8, 2002 8:45 AM, Marc Hughes <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> wrote: >I have a procmail question.... I have this rule: > >:0 >* ^From:.*hughesm@tomsnyder.com >test > >That doesn't seem to work. But this rule... > >:0c >* ^From:.*hughesm@tomsnyder.com >test > >... Works just fine ... But I want the first rule, I don't want it to >copy (what the :0c does) I want it to move (:0) Am I doing something >wrong? > >Thanks! >-Marc > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Peter Gutowski <peter(a)linuxchamps.com> // tel.: (413) 531-0123 "When in company, put not your hands to any part of the body not usually discovered." --George Washington, _Rules for Civility and Decent Behavior_

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Procmail Question
by Marc Hughes 08 Nov '02

08 Nov '02

I have a procmail question.... I have this rule: :0 * ^From:.*hughesm@tomsnyder.com test That doesn't seem to work. But this rule... :0c * ^From:.*hughesm@tomsnyder.com test ... Works just fine ... But I want the first rule, I don't want it to copy (what the :0c does) I want it to move (:0) Am I doing something wrong? Thanks! -Marc

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x86 emulation/vmare clone
by twg3＠attbi.com 08 Nov '02

08 Nov '02

Is anyone familiar with any open-source versions of x86 emulation software that I can use instead of VMWare? It seems that the plex86 project has moved, and I can not find out much info on status of software - ie how usable etc.???? My goal is to run linux with win2k as a virtual machine for the few work related things I need.

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gnome desktop menus?
by Bill Mills-Curran 08 Nov '02

08 Nov '02

I've installed RedHat 8.0 on my system, and I've decided to finally wean myself from fvwm2 and use the default setup. I've been poking around trying to figure out how to add entries to the panel menus. There doesn't seem to be a gui interface to do it. (There is a gui to add stuff to the desktop and to the panel, but not the menus.) I suspect that the secret handshake is contained in /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/ directories, but I haven't found the secret decoder ring to help figure out the right way to do this. My main motivation is to add some favorite applications to the menus for my family. They are not about to use the command line. Does anyone have any suggestions? TIA, Bill

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uptime celibration
by Karl Hiramoto 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

#uptime 1:39pm up 100 days, 34 min, 6 users, load average: 1.06, 1.05, Eat that Micro$oft :) -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Lady Luck brings added income today. Lady friend takes it away tonight.

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RE: [Wlug] uptime celebration
by Keller, Tim 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

I that was the oldest... my coworker just corrected me... Also HPUX... ispolo5# uptime 2:04pm up 1079 days, 3:28, 2 users, load average: 0.08, 0.13, 0.18 ispolo5# I propose a 1000 day uptime minimum... ;-) Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 14:03 PM To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' Subject: RE: [Wlug] uptime celebration ispolo2# uptime 1:59pm up 790 days, 56 mins, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.25, 0.24 Suppose I should put the uname -a output to resolve any confusions... ispolo2# uname -a HP-UX ispolo2 B.10.20 E 9000/888 2140000344 8-user license I had a linux box at 354 days of uptime, however a loose ethernet card did it in... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Karl Hiramoto [mailto:karl@zoop.org] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 13:44 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] uptime celibration #uptime 1:39pm up 100 days, 34 min, 6 users, load average: 1.06, 1.05, Eat that Micro$oft :) -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Lady Luck brings added income today. Lady friend takes it away tonight. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation ofgraphsinredhat6.2
by Sudhaker P 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

Hi Marc, Thanks once again. I tried installing Xvfb but I'm getting the error message: Xlib: Connection "localhost:1" refused by the server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to the server xhost:Unable to open display "localhost:1". I'd appreciate your sugestions on this issue. Thanks, Peram >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation >ofgraphsinredhat6.2 >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:04:48 -0500 > >Yup > >I believe it's on the RedHat CD's. > >-Marc > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:49 PM >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation >ofgraphsinredhat6.2 > > >Hi Marc, >Is Xvfb a software that I can download and install? > >-Sudhakar > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of > >graphsinredhat6.2 > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:40:55 -0500 > > > > > >So you're saying that you can use X on the machine, right? If so, I'd > >look > >other places for the problem. > > > >Double check that your DISPLAY is set properly and access is enabled. > >This > >was the exact same error message I used to get when java couldn't connect > >to the xserver. > > > >I find doing something like this: > > > >nohup Xvfb :1 -screen 0 800x600x24 & > >sleep 5 > >export DISPLAY=localhost:1 > >xhost + > >SERVERCOMMAND <- (Whatever you need to do to start the server) > > > >Is best since it uses a virtual x server instead of the real one. This > >works around your problem, but is probably the "correct" way to do it > >anyways. > > > > > >-Marc > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:23 PM > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of > >graphsinredhat6.2 > > > > > >Hi Marc, > >The KDE for the server was not working for it so I fixed it, removing > >all the rpms and re-installing them, I even reinstalled "gd".So I was > >wondering if any other libraries related to X-server were broken too. > >My output for $ps auwx | grep X is as below > >root 14500 0.0 0.0 2220 980 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 /bin/sh > >/usr/X11R6/bin/startx > >root 14507 0.0 0.0 2344 668 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 xinit > >/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc -- > >root 14508 0.7 0.3 18156 7956 ? S< 09:44 1:07 /etc/X11/X > >:0 > > > >I'd appreciate your suggestions and comments in this regard. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > > >of graphs inredhat6.2 > > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:55:29 -0500 > > > > > >What do you mean when you say it seems broken? Are there other > > >symptoms besides the java connection to it? > > > > > >Can you sit down at the machine and use X? If this is a server, you > > >probably don't want that ability (that's where Xvfb comes in). What > > >Xserver are you running? > > > > > >If you "ps aux |grep X" do you see an xserver running? > > > > > >-Marc > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:46 AM > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > > >of graphs inredhat6.2 > > > > > > > > >Hi Marc, > > >Thanks for the reply. > > >I agree with you Marc, it is a servlet(I'm sorry about that) and its > > >on the server. The display settings seems to be proper, but my X- > > >server seems to be broken. I'd appreciate if you can guide me to any > > >kind of information with the help of which I can fix the issue of > > >broken X-windows. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >generation of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:16:11 -0500 > > > > > > > >I'm guessing this is a server (the errors you showed before made it > > > >look more like a servlet than an applet)... So are you running X? > > > >If so, when you start the server do you set your DISPLAY variable > > > >correctly? Does > > >the > > > >server process have access to the Xserver? > > > > > > > >If you're not running an Xserver, you need to. Weird, huh? > > > >Without a running X-Server the JRE can't do most graphical > > > >operations, even if > > >those > > > >operations never render to the display. It's a long standing issue > > > >that > > >a > > > >whole lot of people have complained about. What you can do is run > > > >Xvfb > > >... > > > >It's a non graphical X server. It just gives programs an Xserver > > > >to play with, and never displays the results of those programs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Marc > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:08 AM > > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >generation of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > >With reply to my previous mail I've figured out that Java "awt" is > > > >looking for some parameters in X-windows. I think the X is broken. > > > >I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me with fixing of > > > >X-windows. > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Sudhaker P" <perams27(a)hotmail.com> > > > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > > >generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > > >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:07:13 -0600 > > > > > > > > > >Hi Karl, > > > > >Thanks a lot for the response. > > > > >I'm running it as an applet as in the below mentioned weblogic > > > > >log java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError > > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method) > > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:120) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEn > > > >vi > > > >ronment.java:58) > > > > > at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:189) > > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:315) > > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:262) > > > > > at com.rivenet.graphingaction.Graphit.runGraph2D(Unknown > > >Source) > > > > > at > > > > >com.rivenet.reporting.InformalFundingComparisonGraph.makeGraph(Un > > > > >kn > > > > >ow > > > > >n > > > > >Source) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >jsp_servlet._plan._Model_controller._jspService(_Model_controller.j > > > >av > > > >a:356) > > > > > at weblogic.servlet.jsp.JspBase.service(JspBase.java:27) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStub > > > >Im > > > >pl.java:123) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletC > > > >on > > > >textImpl.java:761) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletC > > > >on > > > >textImpl.java:708) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextManager.invokeServlet(Servl > > > >et > > > >ContextManager.java:252) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.invokeServlet(MuxableSocketHTTP.j > > > >av > > > >a:346) > > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.execute(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:246) > > > > > at > > > > >weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:135) > > > > > > > > > >So I was wondering if "awt" since it needs X to generate graphs > > > > >could be the reason and X might be broken. > > > > > > > > > >In your opinion if x is broken what could the rpms that I need to > > > > >install. I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions. > > > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> > > > > >>Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >>Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > > >>generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > > >>Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>are you running it from the comand line? or an applet? > > > > >> > > > > >>Get any errors on your command line? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>Did you try on the same machine booting 2.4.16 and 2.4.7 to > > > > >>verify that it is the kernel? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Sudhaker P wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > Hi , > > > > >> > I've a program that generates graphs with Java 1.3.1_01. The > > > > >> > same > > > > >>program is > > > > >> > able to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel > > > > >> > 2.4.16 but it > > > > >>fails > > > > >> > to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.7-10 > > > > >> > on which it > > > > >>used > > > > >> > to generate before. I've installed KDE and gd thinking that > > > > >> > something > > > > >>may > > > > >> > broken in the OS on the jpegs generation part. But that > > > > >> > doesn't seem to help. I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can > > > > >> > guide me in this issue with your comments and suggestions. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Thanks, > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Peram > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > _____________________________________________________________ > > > > >> > __ > > > > >> > __ > > > > >> > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > > > > >> > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > > >> > Wlug mailing list > > > > >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>-- > > > > >> > > > > >>€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø > > > > >>Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > > > > >>Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > > > > >>Cell: 508-517-4819 > > > > >>Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > > > > >>Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ > > > > >>Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > > > > >>KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > > > > >>AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > > > > >>€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø > > > > >> > > > > >>Confirmed bachelor: > > > > >> A man who goes through life without a hitch. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > > > >>Wlug mailing list > > > > >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > >Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! 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RE: [Wlug] uptime celebration
by Keller, Tim 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

ispolo2# uptime 1:59pm up 790 days, 56 mins, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.25, 0.24 Suppose I should put the uname -a output to resolve any confusions... ispolo2# uname -a HP-UX ispolo2 B.10.20 E 9000/888 2140000344 8-user license I had a linux box at 354 days of uptime, however a loose ethernet card did it in... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Karl Hiramoto [mailto:karl@zoop.org] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 13:44 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] uptime celibration #uptime 1:39pm up 100 days, 34 min, 6 users, load average: 1.06, 1.05, Eat that Micro$oft :) -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Lady Luck brings added income today. Lady friend takes it away tonight. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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