Here are two emails from the Fedora Development list about what I was
just talking about:
1. CentOS Stream as a rolling release *of a stable RHEL branch*.
2. Idea to write an ansible script to upgrade to the point release of
packages that RHEL 8.x ship with.
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Subject: Re: End of CentOS Linux: What about Fedora?
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On Wed, 2020-12-09 at 14:07 +0100, Jaroslav Prokop wrote:
>
> If I understood the announcement, it would be a kind of CentOS streams
> is rolling release or a release with short
> release interval. That does not make my job much easier as someone who
> just sets up services and leaves it running.
It's a rolling release *of a stable RHEL branch*. You're not getting
radical new changes if you run CentOS Stream; you're just getting the
changes you'd usually get in RHEL stable point releases (e.g. 8.1, 8.2
etc) but getting them early and as they are produced, rather than in
periodic lumps).
For some folks / maintenance styles this might still be an issue, but
it should work OK in quite a lot of cases. It's not like you're running
Rawhide.
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On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 4:52 PM Adam Williamson
<adamwill(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> For some folks / maintenance styles this might still be an issue, but
> it should work OK in quite a lot of cases. It's not like you're running
> Rawhide.
For those that want the equivalent of a point release,
I would think they should be able to write an ansible
script to upgrade to the point release of packages
that EL 8.x ship with.
A little more work (for someone) to maintain, but I
would not be surprised if someone (or a community)
decided to take it one.
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Not sure we are the oldest, but we /might/ be the oldest still in
operation. Is GNHLUG still in operation? If so, they are probably
older. I was inspired to dig into my archives:
An early email from our founder, Andy Stewart:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 22:22:18 -0400
From: Andy Stewart <astewart(a)world.std.com>
To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group" <wlug(a)mass-pc.wpi.edu>
Subject: [Fwd: Caldera Inc. IT Forum]
OK, gang, tell the man what you think!
Remember, he is the gentleman who graciously donated the tee shirts and
CDROM discs from Caldera...
Andy
----------------------
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:30:22 -0600
From: Paul La Fluer <paull(a)caldera.com>
Organization: Caldera, Inc.
To: astewart(a)world.std.com
Subject: Caldera Inc. IT Forum
Hello Andy, I hope everything is going good. I am in the process of
organizing a conference while in New York. My goal is to rent out a
large ballroom in a hotel and have all the usergroups in the area come
and listen to Bryan Sparks our CEO and other talk about Linux and
OpenLinux. There will be presentations plus a Q&A session. I would like
to hear your feedback on the idea and if your group would attend. We
would be giving away door prizes like OpenLinux Base and Standard and
handing out t-shirts, papers and OpenLinux Lite and OpenDOS to all that
attend. Please give me some feedback on this idea. I need to know soon
to get things set up.
Thanks,
Paul La Fleur
----------------------------------------------------------------------
An email about our SECOND meeting (that refers to the first meeting):
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 21:29:13 -0400
From: Andy Stewart <astewart(a)world.std.com>
To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group" <wlug(a)mass-pc.wpi.edu>
Subject: Next WLUG meeting
The next scheduled meeting for the Worcester Linux Users' Group (WLUG)
is August 21, 1997, at 7 PM in the Gordon Library on the Worcester
Polytechnic Institute (WPI) campus in Worcester, MA.
We had a great turnout of about 20 people at our very first meeting last
month - I hope to see all of you come back, and I'd like to extend a
welcome to anybody who would like to attend.
I would suggest parking in the "lower library" parking lot and hiking up
the 102 stairs to the library (not to mention the 12 or so more stairs
in the library to get to the 2nd floor!).
For more information, feel free to send me E-mail at:
astewart(a)world.std.com
Look for the penguin signs! Hope to see you there!
Andy Stewart
WLUG
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd guess our first meeting was about July 23 or 24, 1997, or perhaps
the week before, July 16 or 17.
But maddog from GNHLUG forwarded this, which says "as always, the
meeting are free..." which implies that July 30th is NOT their first
meeting. If they had monthly meetings, that would place their first
meeting in June 1997 or before.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 97 10:28:09 -0400
From: "Jon 'maddog' Hall, USG Senior Leader" <hall(a)zk3.dec.com>
To: gnhlug(a)zk3.dec.com
Subject: GNHLUG - Linux Cluster meeting July 30th at Martha's Exchange
Hi,
We now have a venue for the July 30th meeting of the GNHLUG, with Loki,
a cluster of 16 Pentium PRO 200s, running Linux as the topic of the talk.
We will be meeting on the *second* floor dining room of the Martha's Exchange
Building in beautiful downtown Nashua. I will be picking up the speaker in
Cambridge that day and transporting him to Martha's for dinner, arriving about
1730 hours. For those of you who wish to join us for dinner, please RSVP.
The meeting itself will start at 1900 hours, with the speaker probably getting
up steam about 1915 hours.
As always, the meetings are free and open to everyone, and as a FINAL
enticement I will be handling out *free* CD ROMS with the V1.2 Debian release
for Intel on it.
M. Patrick Goda, a principal of the Loki
( http://loki-www.lanl.gov/ )
project at the Theoretical Division of the Los Alamos National Labs, a Beowulf
( http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux-web/beowulf/beowulf.html )
style computer will be our speaker. I have convinced him to present a talk
on the Loki project, one of linking together 16 Intel Pentium Pro machines to
create a system that has:
o high reliability
o high throughput
and generally 16-node IBM SP2 performance (over 1.2 GigaFlops) at 1/20th the
cost (about $60K)!!
Pat is a friend of mine that I introduced to Red Hat Linux when he was a
graduate student at the University of Hawaii (long story).
Due to the fact that Patrick is a rare find, I will invite the Boston Linux
User's Group and the Worcester Linux User's group to join us that night, so I
have arranged for larger quarters.
Some additional Beowulf pages are from my own alma mater:
http://einstein.drexel.edu/beowulf/Beowulf_concept.html
including exerpts from the original Beowulf story:
http://einstein.drexel.edu/beowulf/original_beowulf.html
Warmest regards,
maddog
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nevermind, GNHLUG is definitely older by several years according to their web page:
http://wiki.gnhlug.org/twiki2/bin/view/Www/PastEvents
1996
When Where What Who How Many
31 Jan 1996 UNH Durham Linux Linus Torvalds 200+
1994
When Where What Who How Many
19 Oct UNH (?) First meeting Members ???
On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 04:13:25PM -0500, Richard Klein via WLUG wrote:
> What do we know about WLUG's history? If it really is one of the oldest
> LUGs, it might merit a Wikipedia article. It would be great if we could
> flesh that out, too.
>
> This article seems like it could use a list of LUGs:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_user_group
>
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 1:43 PM Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
> wrote:
>
> > The NatickFOSS group uses gettogether.community instead of meetup.com. I
> > don't know that it has gotten us any visibility but the software is open
> > source. I've been tempted to join meetup to go to Boston Indie Game
> > Developer meetings but have so far held off.
> >
> > The NatickFOSS group also gets a booth at the Science on State Street
> > event at Framingham State. It is a free STEM activity fair for kids. My job
> > at the event is to generally occupy the time of the kids so the other
> > members talk to the parents. First year I had a playstation controller
> > hooked up to my laptop and held it out to any kid that walked by. Last year
> > I brought the arcade machine assembled by my son's cub scout den. Any idea
> > if WPI does any thing similar? Even if it is something only for WPI
> > students it might be useful to alert people to the group's existence.
doug> Pardon my non-meeting-attendance all but 1? month since
2020...anyways,
(new fun thing or things I got to learn, below) Mostly this email is a
Fun/FYI,
but I suspect OpenShot could be popular and maybe some of you use it,etc
and
maybe even one/some of you are dabbling,etc at video editing. Myself,
barely so far.
TMI
Since a friend (for sister's anniversary) wanted to create a
slideshow+music ( MP4, say )
I discovered how easy that is on Linux lately (googling offers ~10 or Top
Ten choices of SW).
And since I put linux on this friend's desktop, it's a great match and way
to teach/learn.
(gawd, these life-story-in-pictures quests sure can
make a camera-bound picture owner/taker have to cope w their mess of jpegs
in cellphone)
DRUM ROLL:
I only tried one offering for video editing, and scored.
.......................chose one that some review(s?) said is most user
friendly.
It (OpenShot) seems great,
for my too-simple needs (slideshow of static pics, adding music/mp3)
and can obviously do so much more.
Output and input choices have huge lists
(eg AVI,MP4 variants,etc for output..... you generate/export to).
SO ANOTHER THING i learned doing this is:
There's a release/package thing I wasnt aware of ...
....seems a too-easy alternate, in favor of pkgs/release-dependent
installs/updates.
IT IS CALLED an App Image
and it really appears to me to be THIS SIMPLE:
a) You download one big file, eg for OpenShot a 130-140mb one-executable
file
that they name OpenShot-v2.5.1-x86_64.AppImage , you can get from
https://www.openshot.org/download/ .....which
says.........
b)
AppImage requires no installation. Just download, make executable, and run.
doug> Correct, it doesn't unzip anything, and the one executable "fits
all". Wow!
I will admit that (on my Mint desktop) the first time I run it (as
me/plain-user),
the GUI intro/setup dialog/window does ask me Yes/No ? for
some question about creating something for?on? the Desktop,
and I said YES and I did not get anything added to my ~/Desktop.
But who cares?
More fun anyways to launch it from a terminal and watch the stdout as you
run the GUI.
p.s. it DOES save PROJECT (not output/export result, but your per-video
project setups)
in your linux homedir under ~/.openshot_qt/ ...mine looks like:
doug0@host:IN_MY_HOMEDIR:~$ ll .openshot_qt/
drwxrwxr-x 2 doug0 doug0 4096 Feb 27 14:23 transitions
drwxrwxr-x 2 doug0 doug0 4096 Feb 27 14:23 profiles
drwxrwxr-x 2 doug0 doug0 4096 Feb 27 14:23 preview-cache
drwxrwxr-x 2 doug0 doug0 4096 Feb 27 14:23 presets
drwxrwxr-x 2 doug0 doug0 4096 Feb 27 14:23 assets
drwxrwxr-x 2 doug0 doug0 4096 Feb 27 15:17 cache
-rw-rw-r-- 1 doug0 doug0 1453 Feb 27 15:57 libopenshot.log
drwxrwxr-x 2 doug0 doug0 4096 Feb 27 15:57 title
drwxrwxr-x 2 doug0 doug0 4096 Feb 27 15:57 thumbnail
drwxrwxr-x 2 doug0 doug0 4096 Feb 27 15:57 blender
drwxr-xr-x 30 doug0 doug0 4096 Feb 28 10:15 ..
drwxrwxr-x 2 doug0 doug0 4096 Feb 28 10:39 recovery
drwxrwxr-x 12 doug0 doug0 4096 Feb 28 10:43 .
-rw-rw-r-- 1 doug0 doug0 17352 Feb 28 10:43 openshot.settings
-rw-rw-r-- 1 doug0 doug0 1774732 Feb 28 10:43 openshot-qt.log
Around 4mb of setup for (so far my only) 66mb MP4 mini-video of PICS w/
6min of music,
the MP4 I exported elsewhere. ( the above HIDDEN dir is a bit of a secret
to ignore. )
"Transitions" is a cool feature of the software.
----- I miss the braintrust of you, my friends...my own fault for
retiring,moving,etc. -doug
(how clueless am I for not knowing about some open SW released w/ AppImage
until now?)
Hey Gang,
We've got a meeting tonight at 7PM!
Location: Our usual Jitsu haunt: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA
Topic: I think the Itanium thing got beat to death, but we can still talk
about it.
Apparently there's still a pa-risc port of linux kicking around? Now I want
to run it as a VM!
Daryl McBride (SCO asshole) just fired for Chapter 13 so we can laugh at
his expense.
I'm sure there'll be some 3d printer talk, some Pi PICO chatter, plus
whatever else.
Later,
Tim.
--
I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their
constituents as "consumers".
That is not what I see when I query one of the major name servers. I would guess your server is configured differently...
rne@P5:~$ dig @1.1.1.1 isc.org
; <<>> DiG 9.16.1-Ubuntu <<>> @1.1.1.1 isc.org
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 31866
;; flags: qr rd ra ad; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1
;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 1232
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;isc.org. IN A
;; ANSWER SECTION:
isc.org. 9 IN A 149.20.1.66
;; Query time: 24 msec
;; SERVER: 1.1.1.1#53(1.1.1.1)
;; WHEN: Thu Feb 11 10:03:30 EST 2021
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 52
-BE
-----Original Message-----
>From: Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
>Sent: Feb 11, 2021 1:04 AM
>To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>
>Cc: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org, Andre.Lehovich(a)gmx.com, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us>
>Subject: [WLUG] Re: WLUG Meeting Feb 11th 2021! Topic: Good question!
>
>Andre Lehovich via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes:
>
>>> dig @66.92.74.188 isc.org
>>
>> Here you go, hope it's useful...
>
>Thank you. That's a lot of information.
>
>> quetzal:~ al$ dig @66.92.74.188 isc.org
>>
>> ; <<>> DiG 9.10.6 <<>> @66.92.74.188 isc.org
>> ; (1 server found)
>> ;; global options: +cmd
>> ;; Got answer:
>> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 11995
>> ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 13, ADDITIONAL: 27
>> ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available
> ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
>That looks good.
>I don't want to be doing recursion for you (nothing personal).
>
>But where did all the rest of that come from?
>I've never seen anything like that!
>Did my server send all that? Why??
>
>> ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
>> ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
>> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
>> ;isc.org. IN A
>>
>> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
>> . 348191 IN NS c.root-servers.net.
>> . 348191 IN NS d.root-servers.net.
>> . 348191 IN NS e.root-servers.net.
>> . 348191 IN NS f.root-servers.net.
>> . 348191 IN NS g.root-servers.net.
>> . 348191 IN NS h.root-servers.net.
>> . 348191 IN NS i.root-servers.net.
>> . 348191 IN NS j.root-servers.net.
>> . 348191 IN NS k.root-servers.net.
>> . 348191 IN NS l.root-servers.net.
>> . 348191 IN NS m.root-servers.net.
>> . 348191 IN NS a.root-servers.net.
>> . 348191 IN NS b.root-servers.net.
>>
>> ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
>> a.root-servers.net. 348191 IN A 198.41.0.4
>> a.root-servers.net. 348191 IN AAAA 2001:503:ba3e::2:30
>> b.root-servers.net. 348191 IN A 199.9.14.201
>> b.root-servers.net. 348191 IN AAAA 2001:500:200::b
>> c.root-servers.net. 348191 IN A 192.33.4.12
>> c.root-servers.net. 348191 IN AAAA 2001:500:2::c
>> d.root-servers.net. 348191 IN A 199.7.91.13
>> d.root-servers.net. 348191 IN AAAA 2001:500:2d::d
>> e.root-servers.net. 348191 IN A 192.203.230.10
>> e.root-servers.net. 348191 IN AAAA 2001:500:a8::e
>> f.root-servers.net. 348191 IN A 192.5.5.241
>> f.root-servers.net. 348191 IN AAAA 2001:500:2f::f
>> g.root-servers.net. 348191 IN A 192.112.36.4
>> g.root-servers.net. 348191 IN AAAA 2001:500:12::d0d
>> h.root-servers.net. 348191 IN A 198.97.190.53
>> h.root-servers.net. 348191 IN AAAA 2001:500:1::53
>> i.root-servers.net. 348191 IN A 192.36.148.17
>> i.root-servers.net. 348191 IN AAAA 2001:7fe::53
>> j.root-servers.net. 348191 IN A 192.58.128.30
>> j.root-servers.net. 348191 IN AAAA 2001:503:c27::2:30
>> k.root-servers.net. 348191 IN A 193.0.14.129
>> k.root-servers.net. 348191 IN AAAA 2001:7fd::1
>> l.root-servers.net. 348191 IN A 199.7.83.42
>> l.root-servers.net. 348191 IN AAAA 2001:500:9f::42
>> m.root-servers.net. 348191 IN A 202.12.27.33
>> m.root-servers.net. 348191 IN AAAA 2001:dc3::35
>>
>> ;; Query time: 150 msec
>> ;; SERVER: 66.92.74.188#53(66.92.74.188)
>> ;; WHEN: Wed Feb 10 20:31:08 PST 2021
>> ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 819
>>
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Hey Everybody,
We've got a meeting next week on the 11th at our same time (7pm)
As for a topic, if somebody would like to present something, I'd be up for
it.
I figure we'd all toast the depreciation of Itanium in the linux kernel.
Good riddance!
We'll definitely be talking about the PI4 Nano!!
As usual, I'm sure other topics will organically surface.
Location: Our usual Jitsu haunt: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA
Later,
Tim.
--
I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their
constituents as "consumers".
I don't want to join the endian wars. So I'll comment on something else. Stratus did not support Itanium because they follow rather than lead the market.
When a replacement for PA-RISC was considered at Stratus we did look at Itanium. I recall studying the FW then called "EFI" around 2003 when I was in the VOS group. For the in-house VOS OS, Stratus would need compilers for PL/I and C and a modified linker to get to Itanium. Stratus never made this investment. What the VOS group did was to port to x86. Today VOS is still a 32-bit OS that runs on Motorola 68K, i860, PA-RISC and x86. This is unlikely to ever change for VOS as the compiler and linker tech leads have left Stratus.
For the other three OS's supported by Stratus, Windows, Linux, VMware ESX, outsiders, not Stratus, would or would not be porting their OS to Itanium. (As was the case for amd64).
Since the Stratus value add is to take applications coded to run on commodity HW and make the apps highly reliable by running on Stratus HW, Stratus would not move to Itanium until the customers already were developing to that platform.
--
One more comment on a different topic:
>
>I personally play around with ATTiny85 and ATTiny84 MCUs when I get a
>chance. Slowly looking at STM8 and STM32 stuff as well. And of
>course the Arduino AVR stuff.
>
Me too, but somewhat bigger/faster MCUs. I still occasionally code in C, but it is more productive with high level interpreted languages on these chips. Lately I'm very excited about esp8266 and CircuitPython.
FYI, A programmer's intro to esp8266: https://tttapa.github.io/ESP8266/Chap01%20-%20ESP8266.html
-BE
