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Re: [Wlug] Gentoo
by joel d 25 Mar '11

25 Mar '11

Wow. I have never been to Gentoo is Rice before. That guy has some issues but I missed why he was so upset ;-) Was very entertained by the highly visually modified but still stock underpowered autos. Pics are a "People of Walmart" for the auto world. That Gentoo's install numbers are fading: everyone that wants it is upgrading as Jamie mentioned dying due to Ubuntu adoption/popularity from the article developers numbers dwindling from the article no longer the cool distro for techies or average users (we want to be cool too) some other reasons... or is it the end of it's technology "wave" IMHO, most technology comes and goes in 1 to 8 year waves. A technology wave example is the Slackware disto. Who else remembers running Slackware (back when it was rather cool)? Not sure I even know if they still release Slack anymore (I did just go there and yup they do). Three related waves which took longer admidedly were centralized processing and dumb terminals of the simpler good old days modern servers and intelligent desktops with processing power back to virtual machines (and thin clients which are really akin to fancy terminals) Joel

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Re: [Wlug] Gentoo
by Jamie Guinan 24 Mar '11

24 Mar '11

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Joshua Demallistre wrote: > I was thinking about giving Gentoo a try. It would be nice for some one in > the group could give me a hand. Another distro to consider is Arch. I haven't used it, but it appears to be similar in spirit to Gentoo. Looking at the beginner's guide, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide it contains a lot of relatively low-level configuration stuff that one would not need to know for a plug-and-play distro. So as a "learning Linux" platform, Arch does looks promising. -Jamie

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Gentoo
by Joshua Demallistre 24 Mar '11

24 Mar '11

I was thinking about giving Gentoo a try. It would be nice for some one in the group could give me a hand. Sent via Android On Mar 23, 2011 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. My Ubuntu Remix CD... (Andy Stewart) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:47:44 -0400 > From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> > Subject: [Wlug] My Ubuntu Remix CD... > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <4D896D60.2040901(a)comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > HI gang, > > I recently remixed an Ubuntu 10.10 CD for the Linux ham radio users (and > there are many!). I am not yet distributing it widely, but I would like > to get a couple of people to try it. It is a Live CD that can also be > installed to the hard drive. > > If you are interested, please download the ISO file from this location: > http://home.comcast.net/~andystewart/linux_intro/ubuntu-remix-5.iso > > My target hardware is an older computer, 256MB of memory, and 1GHz > processor, at a minimum. This started from the Ubuntu 10.10 server > edition. I added icewm and a bunch of programs for amateur radio. One > can see these programs in the "Amateur Radio" menu. > > Even if you are not an amateur radio operator, you might find the > software selection interesting. > > I am mostly concerned about the sound system, which seems to be changing > yet again(!), this time to pulseaudio. An easy program to try is xcwcp > which will simply beep morse code at you. If that works, I expect other > apps will work also. (xcwcp -x /dev/dsp should work, or invoke it from > the menu). > > Also, if you attempt to install it to a hard drive, please do it in a > computer with no valuable data or other operating systems, just in case. > > If you try it, please send me some feedback. > > Thanks! > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) > Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group > Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group > President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 89, Issue 8 > ***********************************

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Re: [Wlug] Gentoo
by Jamie Guinan 23 Mar '11

23 Mar '11

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Eric Martin wrote: > On 03/23/11 12:19, Joshua Demallistre wrote: > > > > I was thinking about giving Gentoo a try. It would be nice for some > > one in the group could give me a hand. > > > What sort of help are you looking for? There used to be a > disproportionately large Gentoo user base in WLUG, although I don't know > how large it is anymore. I use it at home and work and I'd be glad to > help you out. For me, the great thing about Gentoo is the learning > experience; I learned a lot about GNU/Linux by doing my first Gentoo > installs, and I'm still learning. If you haven't already, grab the > install discs and peruse through the install docs. If you have a 64bit > machine, I suggest grabbing the 64bit disc. Maintaining Gentoo x64 > isn't terribly hard, and you can use memory more efficiently. Gentoo user here, too. Although I haven't done a fresh install in quite a while, I just keep updating. What I like best about Gentoo is picking and choosing which packages to include and leave out, both applications and libraries. For example, the other day I wanted to install "gtkpod", but I really don't want to have Mono or QT4 installed on my system, for various reasons. Doing a test install, I can verify that they are left out: # emerge -ptv gtkpod These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N ] app-pda/gtkpod-1.0.0 USE="aac flac mp3 ogg -curl" 1,856 kB [ebuild N ] media-libs/libgpod-0.8.0 USE="gtk iphone python udev -mono -static-libs" 975 kB [nomerge ] media-libs/libgpod-0.8.0 USE="gtk iphone python udev -mono -static-libs" [nomerge ] sys-apps/sg3_utils-1.30 [ebuild N ] sys-apps/rescan-scsi-bus-1.48 21 kB [ebuild N ] sys-apps/sg3_utils-1.30 863 kB [ebuild N ] app-pda/libimobiledevice-1.0.4 USE="python" 404 kB [ebuild N ] app-pda/usbmuxd-1.0.6 57 kB [ebuild N ] app-pda/libplist-1.3 67 kB [ebuild U ] dev-util/cmake-2.8.3-r1 [2.8.0-r2] USE="ncurses -emacs -qt4 -vim-syntax" 5,310 kB ... The USE= "-mono" and "-qt4" flags indicate that the listed packages will be built without that support. Gentoo handles that by passing the necessary options to "configure" when it builds the package, and that is IMO the main point of using a source-based distribution. If you *did* want support for mono, you could edit "/etc/make.conf" (system-wide) or "/etc/portage/package.use" (package-specific), add the "mono" flag (or remove "-mono"), and try again. For better or worse, I think gentoo kind of peaked in popularity several years ago. Related article, http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10047439-16.html?tag=mncol;title But it still meets my needs on several of my computers. And finally, yes, I am aware of "http://funroll-loops.info/", and I don't care. :) -Jamie

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My Ubuntu Remix CD...
by Andy Stewart 23 Mar '11

23 Mar '11

HI gang, I recently remixed an Ubuntu 10.10 CD for the Linux ham radio users (and there are many!). I am not yet distributing it widely, but I would like to get a couple of people to try it. It is a Live CD that can also be installed to the hard drive. If you are interested, please download the ISO file from this location: http://home.comcast.net/~andystewart/linux_intro/ubuntu-remix-5.iso My target hardware is an older computer, 256MB of memory, and 1GHz processor, at a minimum. This started from the Ubuntu 10.10 server edition. I added icewm and a bunch of programs for amateur radio. One can see these programs in the "Amateur Radio" menu. Even if you are not an amateur radio operator, you might find the software selection interesting. I am mostly concerned about the sound system, which seems to be changing yet again(!), this time to pulseaudio. An easy program to try is xcwcp which will simply beep morse code at you. If that works, I expect other apps will work also. (xcwcp -x /dev/dsp should work, or invoke it from the menu). Also, if you attempt to install it to a hard drive, please do it in a computer with no valuable data or other operating systems, just in case. If you try it, please send me some feedback. Thanks! Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

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Northeast Linuxfest April 2, 2011
by Chuck Anderson 22 Mar '11

22 Mar '11

Come join me at the Northeast Linuxfest! Saturday, April 2, 10:30 a.m. - 3:00 p.m. FREE registration (optional $30 donation) at http://northeastlinuxfest.org/ Worcester State University Student Center 486 Chandler St. Worcester MA 01602 I've forwarded more details from the BLU list below. ----- Forwarded message from b p <bruce84(a)yahoo.com> ----- From: b p <bruce84(a)yahoo.com> To: discuss(a)blu.org Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 19:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Northeast Linuxfest April 2, 2011 Hey guys - I haven't seen this posted yet so I'm sorry if it has on another list. The Northeast Linuxfest is just around the corner, the event will be held in Worcester MA. We hope you can make it! Jonathan Nadeau of Frostbite systems and he has posted his speakers list for the Northeast Linuxfest. He's got John Maddog Hall! Now you really have no reason not to go! Here is the list of speakers below: 11am Roberto C. Sanchez "Getting Stuff Packaged for Debian." 12pm Jarod Wilson "Intro to GNU/Linux Home Theater PCs" 1pm Jon “Maddog” Hall "GNU/Linux in Education, Government and Business." 2pm Matt Lee "Why Software Should Be Free." So, now that we're two weeks away, I hope to see you all there! Hurry because attendance is filling fast! Details can be found at Northeast Linuxfest - http://northeastlinuxfest.org/ ----- Forwarded message from b p <bruce84(a)yahoo.com> ----- From: b p <bruce84(a)yahoo.com> To: Tom Metro <tmetro-blu(a)vl.com> Cc: discuss(a)blu.org Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 05:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Northeast Linuxfest April 2, 2011 Good morning all, I should have clarified some of the murkier statements made, I apologize for that. Tom, what I put up was the complete schedule of speakers and you are correct the event is FREE. The $30 is optional, this is to help cover costs for the student center space. Red Hat has graciously agreed to sponsor the event. The purpose of this event is to gather linux users for a one day event, mostly to discuss all things linux/unix and to meet other users throughout the area. This is the inaugural event, so based on attendance this year there are plans to hopefully expand the event much like SCALE or any of the other community driven events. As for who Jonathan of Frostbite systems is, his company sells computers with linux installed. He gives a percentage back to the distro that is ordered on the machines. His main focus is selling machines for the blind or visually impaired, which he himself is. He is also the podcaster for both Fedora weekly and Debian. He resides in Worcester MA and of course for more about his company you can checkout - http://www.frostbitesystems.com/ This is not meant as a selling point for the event. He is merely setting this up because he felt there was a need and interest for such an event. Lastly, I don't have a list of exhibitors but I do know the folks at Hacker Public Radio will have a table there. I hope I've addressed all questions. Again sorry for the confusion, I should have proof read the original before sending out. Take care, Bp ----- End forwarded message -----

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2D CAD for Linux
by Richard Klein 15 Mar '11

15 Mar '11

I just read that DraftSight 2D CAD software is now available for Linux: http://www.3ds.com/products/draftsight/free-cad-software/ I use it all the time in Windows. It works, and the price is right. -- Rich

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Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 89, Issue 5
by David Hardy 15 Mar '11

15 Mar '11

Hi, Pete; I was posting from my MIL's place at Shelburne-On-The-Bay, just south of Burlington and just off Route 7. We were house-sitting for her while she's snowbirding in Florida. The Bay opens up into Lake Champlain, which right now has a bit of ice near the shores and is otherwise open water, thanks to the moderate temps this week. We actually live in a 205-year-old farmhouse in West Montpelier. With two dogs and four cats, and two each, Windows and Linux boxes. My Windows 7 box has some VMS emulation sw on it for old lang syne, seeing as how that was my early experience in IT for years. Last worked with OpenVMS 7.1 four years ago. You're at Clark U.? Wow. I worked there in campus police from 1980-83, then the campus bookstore, where I sold DEC Rainbows in cooperation with DEC to students, faculty and staff, and then when they sold it out to Barnes and Noble, I went back to campus police for another eighteen months, finally leaving in '86 to go work out at Simplex Time Recorder, in Gardner, with a PDP-11 running RSX for CAD/CAM apps and a MicroVax running VMS 4.0. I first learned VMS down in the basement of the Goddard Library while I worked the dead shifts for the CPD, reading those old orange binder manuals. Several of the campus police are still there, including the chief, who started there as a patrolman, and of course some of the faculty are still teaching. Jack Foley was working as an assistant manager at one of the dining halls when I started there in 1980. I stopped by to visit in '06 and also applied for an IT job there, as I believe they still had VMS, plus the usual Windows, and also Red Hat. Never heard from them. Par for the job search for many years now. Also applied for IT gigs at WPI and never heard from them, either. So I am back in northern Vermont and after being bounced from a one-year temp contract nine months early, am on the job hunt again. So much fun. Regards, Dave On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: KO (Pete Wason) > 2. Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 10 (Pete Wason) > 3. Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 10 (Pete Wason) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:38:08 -0400 > From: Pete Wason <codevark(a)aim.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] KO > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <4D7EA6E0.5090805(a)aim.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I worked with a guy in the late '90s at a dotcom; at some point before > that he managed a huge team at DEC and was friends with KO, played golf > and such. Had great things to say about the man. > > On 2/12/2011 9:56 AM, kevin.paetzold wrote: > > Since we are reminiscing about DEC and KO.... > > > > I started at DEC in 1978 working on the DECSYSTEM20. My first manager > > was one of the first 100 DEC employees and even though I was initially > > working as a contractor for DEC (on an air force base) in Rome NY we > > made a trip to Maynard where he introduced me to the mill and to Ken > > Olsen. It was a fascinating time as I worked at the place which > > essentially funded the ARPANET and TCP/IP. I went to work in DEC > > engineering in Marlboro in 1981. Eventually I ended up at Stratus where > > among other things I now manage the Linux group (I never worked on VMS > > although I did do some stuff with the Ultrix group). It still amazes me > > (and many others) that DEC went away. I often tell my engineers that > > when I see some computer or software technology that DEC did not have I > > will let them know (there is some but not much that DEC did not have > > first and for which very little credit is given). > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNfqbgAAoJEBARJW02o9tw44oH/2Tn2xUeai1p/UExIQtI8zUc > A8FGBBfpOBjteWaTKiRYNDdYhLNeI2v/DDyhtqJO+8DlKDLesFlDgEDShLXqlCZ3 > ege8GM49O5ZfCjA8Ta82J1DUtK7AhvPL6/D4py/gboENX//JGGCUqPGcxSWo0dCl > sxe/MTeS36JstyStQlVfHLtvuaQIdZalLaqn/ywuVeBROHOCo23UNEQBRQ77BgFG > fJuChOT6cQe2Ht0g2kDZEPYd2pxqDjXprr5M7RYlcyxMNu58QusokGjyK0+ezL3M > 5QVeySsAMegCvehLPHdhnMfQkAdUwmwg6zeTLq8ZTzAIxIsrBJ9/8UZ+7AUbAZs= > =LmGf > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:41:37 -0400 > From: Pete Wason <codevark(a)aim.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 10 > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <4D7EA7B1.5040502(a)aim.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, Dave - > > Just curious, where on Lake Champlain? I currently work at Clark U., and > lived in Burlington for about 6 years during the early to mid '80s. It's > my favorite city east of the Mississippi. > > Pete > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNfqexAAoJEBARJW02o9tw2zgH/08yRIIxybhN12On9ptOtxnE > NpzMQHSDsMDL2c22WwRdQxPPCPdA6I0OW594Gswg7vpbh6WOYtO2eXHBHf0rCjps > Lwc8dCVQGGnQn11nJ9FFEUmALIXxvXsfxYzvCcHNV7zM057D47rJEf9guZcZUNXj > yxMfLgHLW5nvP5f9JodvogNRO/Do5nUXYn1znWhq31Wyu/Afg3P85/DrO/QY0j9S > ZomjIiTNzRXKgZc5wBsfm+FEC5AvClSROhdQ0grQ5XSRkX5QzAr1/Gs+s/x8uKGX > gNQ43ZwnY9epsfvnbEokLi9X8ZKvKa5ye+2XOqT1I757zBWGHuSoIrNW3wKvV6w= > =BlEg > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 00:06:03 -0400 > From: Pete Wason <codevark(a)aim.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 10 > To: codevark(a)aim.com, Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <4D7EE5AB.3010302(a)aim.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > heh that was weird. specifically chose reply to sender not list.. oh well > :) > > On 3/14/2011 7:41 PM, Pete Wason wrote: > > Hi, Dave - > > > > Just curious, where on Lake Champlain? I currently work at Clark U., and > > lived in Burlington for about 6 years during the early to mid '80s. It's > > my favorite city east of the Mississippi. > > > > Pete > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNfuWrAAoJEBARJW02o9tw8SMH/3k85Pzwp/GwAKQ9qndOljvZ > j0jgHwy1Wnd0Uyl7GDGeHYwIqqf4k8l7aegZTzMsfWAQMheMlO1OYNw+fwJCarGA > eFkShc1BjXyz4bY2WiSWl1M4noyJr4FHMwYBRDgXT6HtI6SnphvzFgC8ofhiLqFE > yJWLLlSwJnHtBP+AJNBLF+DNc+Ev3FZatY5PAP5xojnb57g8Nr9fDJGzwb1PZzrm > PaHSwA0kxY2ajDX0aoQy5R8okuu3/HR9U++QKPNmMlM4aX1YpIQ8Q6CWNqC6vAB9 > kxTGEj3Skvki5/VBLu9mvZvrQOkA33/oj0keKWjCyRCD5Jk/9N6NrSkAdo/zHww= > =fp1Z > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 89, Issue 5 > *********************************** >

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Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 10
by David Hardy 15 Mar '11

15 Mar '11

I met KO once in Maynard at the Old Mill and got to see his original orange-crate desk that he shared with Gordon Bell. Nice guy and down-to-earth. First fulltime techie gig I had was at Simplex Time Recorder, Gardner, MA, operator for DEC PDP-11 running RSX CAD/CAM stuff, and a MicroVax running VMS 3.5 for the software engineers. 1986. Previously, as an assistant bookstore manager at Clark U., I'd been in charge of selling the DEC Rainbow PCs as part of the University's program for students, faculty and staff. 1984-85. Last time I worked on DEC stuff was the VAX/VMS 7000 and the Alpha OpenVMS boxen running 7.1 at an outfit in downtown Woostuh. 2006-07. >From what I've heard inside the old DEC social circles is that a lot of the VMS engineering that didn't migrate to HP went to India, and that many of the old VMS guys have long since moved on to...drum roll....Linux. In other old DEC scuttlebutt, there was supposed to be an open field somewhere off Route 12 in Leominster that contained all kinds of hw dumped/stored there by whatever DEC facility back in the day. During my own time at DEC in 87-89 one of our operators told us he'd gotten all kinds of stuff from there and was now storing it in his front yard in Sterling. Regards from the shores of Lake Champlain in winter, Dave Hardy > 2. nice remembrances: Ken Olsen, DEC, ..... (Doug Mildram) > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 12:35:39 -0500 > From: Doug Mildram <dmildram(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [Wlug] nice remembrances: Ken Olsen, DEC, ..... > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: > <AANLkTinCQXAHYjbuzRC+7YH9wZvVAoeokGCZoRiMDre3(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > A nice article from Jon Hall is on top of the blog > > > http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/Paw-Prints-Writings-of-the-mad… > > along with many other replies about PDP-* systems, VMS, etc. > > My first HIGHtech job (1985) was hanging tapes and keeping dumb terminals > alive and connected to four > VAX 750/780's running (not VMS but) BSD4 unix (before NFS, before NIS) > for a robotics shop in Billerica called Automatix. csh% a.out > hello, world ! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20110209/aeb596ff/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 10 > ************************************ >

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KO
by kevin.paetzold 14 Mar '11

14 Mar '11

Since we are reminiscing about DEC and KO.... I started at DEC in 1978 working on the DECSYSTEM20. My first manager was one of the first 100 DEC employees and even though I was initially working as a contractor for DEC (on an air force base) in Rome NY we made a trip to Maynard where he introduced me to the mill and to Ken Olsen. It was a fascinating time as I worked at the place which essentially funded the ARPANET and TCP/IP. I went to work in DEC engineering in Marlboro in 1981. Eventually I ended up at Stratus where among other things I now manage the Linux group (I never worked on VMS although I did do some stuff with the Ultrix group). It still amazes me (and many others) that DEC went away. I often tell my engineers that when I see some computer or software technology that DEC did not have I will let them know (there is some but not much that DEC did not have first and for which very little credit is given).

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