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RE: [Wlug] Lan party ideas...
by Haines, Charles Allen 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

Have you made sure that there will be enough power to accomodate this many computers. I've had to deal with this problem many times before and I know that both the Odeum and Riley Commons can support up to 50 computers. Once we decide on a location, I'll speak with NetOps about internet access. ============================================================= | Chuck Haines | WPI Box 1531 | | chaines(a)wpi.edu | 100 Institute Road | | http://www.linux-xtreme.net | Worcester, MA 01609 | ============================================================= | ECE Systems Admininstrator | AIM: CyberGrex | | GDC Developer | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | WPILA Lab Manager | ICQ: 3707881 | | Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity | IRC: termleech | ============================================================= -----Original Message----- From: Stephen C. Daukas [mailto:stephen@daukas.com] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 7:36 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Lan party ideas... I have a couple of ideas... The first one that comes to mind, regarding location, is to hold it at the Mass Academy of Math & Science at WPI, which is of course a part of WPI, and is loacted at 85 Prescott St. This is where WPI's campus expansion (gateway park) will be happening over the next N years. As is so happens, I'm a faculty member at the Academy (Computer Science) and have already secured permission to use the entire facility, if need be, for WLUG acitivity. There is one large room (a.k.a. the brick yard) where we can probably accomodate up to 30 people with various PCs on bench-tables (we have had 100+ people in there for presentations). This room has the same AV sysetm as Kinnekut Hall... In addition to that, we have a large "room" (a.k.a. the library) off of a number of classrooms that could also be used. Every room is equipped with drops (between a 6 and 30) that we could use if Chuck can secure permission to connect to the WPI network. As to what, well I must confess, I have never seen what the attraction is to playing computer games. I have brought up the possibility, as the last "Boynton meeting", of attracting the "technology" types from area schools (and the folks they hang out with) for an install fest and topical discussions revolving around getting Linux into the hands of students and family as well as the topic of running Linux on all the older PCs that many schools already have. My guess is that taking this route, instead of a night of games, would not only serve to help the communities in which we live, but also bolster WLUG's standing in central MA and probably double our membership as well... Steve > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Lanparty game
by Marc Hughes 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Just saw this... http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/1209.barr2.html And with all that talk about a lan party, a pure open source game sounds like a good idea :) Quick Summary: Zlib license 3d first person shooter called Cube available for windows & linux SDL opengl -Marc

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RE: [Wlug] Lan party ideas...
by Haines, Charles Allen 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Here is what I suggest. We co-sponsor this with the WPI Game Development Club. The GDC holds LAN parties often and would help us a great deal with the planning of this. I think its a great idea, having helped with many of the GDC LAN parties myself (I'm a GDC executive). For the installfest part, I say we charge nothing, unless the person doesn't have the distro on CD, in which case we can ask for a couple bucks to cover the cost of the CD's (since most distro's take up like 5 CD's now anyway). However, for the LAN party part, the way that the GDC usually does it is, $3 for GDC members, $5 for WPI students, and $7 for Consortium students, and $10 for everyone else. Now since WLUG is a WPI organization, we could say, $3 for WLUG / WPILA members and $5 for everyone else. I think that is a very fair price. As for placed to hold it. WPI would be more than happy to hold it. We really have two choices in the matter, Riley Commons, which is easy to get, but not very large. Or we can try and get the Odeum, which is much more tricky, but much larger and more power. Any WPI Alumni or current student can book either of these (though I've heard that Alumni have a better change of getting the Odeum than a student does). The link should be an isolated link just internally for the LAN party. If we want an outside link for the install fest portion, we will have to talk to netops and see what they can do. Right now, every machine on the WPI campus has to be registered for security reasons. They might be able to help us out with something. If we decided to turn this into more than a LAN party, I say we turn it into a series of small demos / tutorials kinda thing. We could host some beginner tutorials, like a basic recompiling of the kernel, a desktop setup, stuff like that. We could also hold more advanced tutorials such as iptables, security, clustering, stuff like that. I think that we should have the installfest go for like the first 3 hours, along with a LAN party, and then turn over to tutorials and workshops, maybe offering a couple at the same time to give people a choice. I'd really like to do something like this. As for time frame... GDC LAN parties usually last from around 6pm to whenever everyone leaves, which has been as late as 3am the next day. Now for this, I would say that something like 5-midnight, or something similiar would work well, giving us enough time for both the installfest and the workshops / tutorials. I suppose that is enough long windedness for me, ================================================= | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | ECE Sys Admin | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | GDC Developer | ICQ: 3707881 | ================================================= http://www.linux-xtreme.net -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:19 AM To: Wlug (E-mail) Subject: [Wlug] Lan party ideas... Hey All, So after reading Andy's email, it got me thinking about the whole installfest/lan party thing... and I'd like some input. 1. Do the members of WLUG think a lan party is a possible thing? 2. How many people do you think we could get to attend? 2a. How many people would we want to attend? At a certain point, if 200 people show up, it could get ugly... 3. Where and When could we hold such a shindig? Would this be something that the support staff at WPI would even entertain as an idea? Or, should we look else were... such as a VFW or some such place... 4. Should we have a link to the outside world, or should it just be an isolated LAN? 5. Time Frame... 6. What should we charge people (if anything) to attend? 7. Activities? This is where I want some broad input. Other than the obligatory FPS/RTS games, what other games or "stuff" would people like to see? I know Andy had mentioned a security demo... How about a clustering demo... Let me know what your ideas are... Thanks, Tim. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Possible Printer discussion
by Andy Stewart 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

HI everybody, If it were possible for me to get a person to speak to WLUG regarding printers and printer drivers, would that be of interest? (Hint: say "yes"). I'm thinking of a programmer's talk here, not a user level talk. For example, what does the skeleton of a printer driver look like? What functions must it provide to user level software, and what does it pass to a queueing system or perhaps directly to the printer? How are JPG pictures converted to dots of ink that appear on your printer paper? What's the deal with these different dithering algorithms? What is dithering, and why do it? These are just some ideas to get the creative juices flowing. Let me know what topics in this realm would be of interest at a future WLUG meeting. Once I have that information, I'll see if I can find a speaker to address these topics. Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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SuSE for Power Mac?
by Gregory Avedissian 08 Dec '02

08 Dec '02

Does anyone have a copy of SuSE for a power mac? My neighbor would like to get a copy, and we've all got 56k connections. Thanks. Greg

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web hosting
by Baris Hasdemir 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

hi all, I have a domain(hasdemir.com) hosted on linux by a web hosting company. Nowadays many emails that I have sent, neither bounce back or be received by the other company. Help desk of the web hosting company told me that probably there are filters for our network (by the way I have no idea on what network means here). here is what they exactly told me: >> why would they filter my domain which has only three email accounts, >> and never spammed throughout its life? > They don't block domain by domain but they block a whole network, they > don't care many domains in that network are legit. They are quite bad on informing the customer about ant problem. they refuse to show me the SMTP logs. It is Exim as far as I know. Would any of you tell me what my problem really might be? I need my web site hosted on a linux machine with mysql and php installed. What would your recommandations be for a web hosting firm? Things I would like to have, shell account with ssh connectivity and web space around 100MB. thanks, baris

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RE: [Wlug] Meeting Topic Discussion
by Haines, Charles Allen 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

I've used the firewall configurer in redhat, both lokkit and the one that comes with redhat. There really isn't much to them, but if no one else knows better than I, I'd be happy to show them. ================================================= | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | ECE Sys Admin | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | GDC Developer | ICQ: 3707881 | ================================================= http://www.linux-xtreme.net -----Original Message----- From: Wes Allen [mailto:wallen@charter.net] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:27 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Meeting Topic Discussion I just might have to tell my wife I'm coming to this one.... On Friday 06 December 2002 9:49 pm, Andy Stewart wrote: > HI Everybody, > > I've seen some good ideas floating around out there, as I knew I would once > the topic got going. Now the question you'll all hate: who wants to do > the presentation? :-) > > Is there anybody out there who is pretty well versed in IPTables that would > be willing to address the next WLUG meeting? > > Just a thought: Do we want to ask Robert Ziegler to come back and address > WLUG? He authored the Linux Firewalls book published by New Riders which > was updated for IPTables. He addressed WLUG about 18 months ago and his > talk was extremely detailed and technical. To be fair, some thought it was > a bit too detailed and dry. > > Along those lines, I thought it might be good to discuss the distribution > specific ways that firewalling is handled. I suspect that those are just > GUIs that build a list of IPTables filters anyway. Is there anybody out > there that is comfortable with discussing this for RedHat at the upcoming > meeting? How about some other distro? > > Thanks, > > Andy -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] Let's make WLUG meetings better!
by Haines, Charles Allen 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

I would be very interested in some security based presentations. I think setting up some boxes for "security" testing would be really cool. I'd be willing to donate my box to the cause. I'd also like to see a tutorial on iptables, cause they are a very usual thing. Other than that, I think a demo on wine, and getting some of that other OS's programs like dreamweaver mx, to work under wine. ================================================= | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | ECE Sys Admin | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | GDC Developer | ICQ: 3707881 | ================================================= http://www.linux-xtreme.net -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@attbi.com] Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 6:56 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group Subject: [Wlug] Let's make WLUG meetings better! HI everybody, I was a little disappointed at the turnout from the last WLUG meeting. We had 8 or 9 people show up, and while we did have a good time watching Scott and Doug get a couple of scanners working under Linux, it would have been alot more fun with more people in attendance. I believe this was the lowest attendance we've seen at a WLUG meeting in our 5.5 year history. :-( We discussed possible reasons for the low attendance at the Boynton over a few beers. One suggestion was that I should update the WLUG website to show what we have done at past meetings so people wouldn't think that nothing was accomplished. I've done that and will endeavor to keep that part of the WLUG website current (see "Past Meeting Information"). Another thought was that some people will only come to a meeting if the topic looks interesting to them, and if it is announced well in advance. I must admit to having been somewhat lax in that area lately. Therefore, in an attempt to remedy that (at least for this month), I'm putting out the call now for a speaker and a topic for the Dec. 12th meeting (its coming up fast!). I sent out a list of potential topics last month, but I know that there are a zilliion interesting things happening in the Linux world that could be discussed at a WLUG meeting. The meeting need not be discussion based, either! Although Kinnicutt Hall lends itself well to this type of meeting, we do have access to other rooms on campus. People have tossed out ideas such as these: o build a network for multiplayer Linux games o build a network to see if WLUG crackers can break into your system (not to destroy it, but to teach you what to fix to secure your system) o more live demos! The group exists to meet your needs, so please, state your needs! I can't arrange a meeting to your liking if I get no feedback on what you want to see at future WLUG meetings. More importantly, I'd like to see more and different people volunteer to do the presentations or to run a live demo. If you look back at the last year of WLUG meetings, you'll see the same names many times. While I'm *quite* happy that these folks continue to volunteer, I'd like to see others jump in also. Finally, if anybody has feedback regarding the last meeting and why it lacked attendees, please bring it up on the list so we can all discuss it. Without such candid discussions, WLUG cannot improve. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Meeting Topic Discussion
by Andy Stewart 07 Dec '02

07 Dec '02

HI Everybody, I've seen some good ideas floating around out there, as I knew I would once the topic got going. Now the question you'll all hate: who wants to do the presentation? :-) Is there anybody out there who is pretty well versed in IPTables that would be willing to address the next WLUG meeting? Just a thought: Do we want to ask Robert Ziegler to come back and address WLUG? He authored the Linux Firewalls book published by New Riders which was updated for IPTables. He addressed WLUG about 18 months ago and his talk was extremely detailed and technical. To be fair, some thought it was a bit too detailed and dry. Along those lines, I thought it might be good to discuss the distribution specific ways that firewalling is handled. I suspect that those are just GUIs that build a list of IPTables filters anyway. Is there anybody out there that is comfortable with discussing this for RedHat at the upcoming meeting? How about some other distro? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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fetchmail/sendmail problem... HELP
by Bill Mills-Curran 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

I REALLY need some help. I've included a lot of diagnostic stuff in this email to help the troubleshooting process. Please help. I'm struggling & I need some advice. The basic problem is that something changed between last night and this morning to make my email not work. Config details: ISP: charter email address subssn594(a)charter.net I use fetchmail to grab the email from the pop server (pop.charter.net) and deliver it to my local email account on my linux box (Red Hat 8.0) username on linux: bcurran fetchmailrc: poll pop.charter.net user subssn594 password xxxx fetchall When I run "fetchmail -v -v" I get good authentication, etc for both IMAP and POP3. I can see a list of email messages. When it retrieves messages I get (I'll just show the POP3 -- the IMAP is similar): fetchmail: POP3< +OK 2003 bytes will follow reading message 1 of 46 (2003 octets) About to rewrite Return-Path: <owner-gobruins(a)gobruins.ICSL.UCLA.EDU> Rewritten version is Return-Path: <owner-gobruins(a)gobruins.ICSL.UCLA.EDU> About to rewrite From: John Houser <jchouser(a)yahoo.com> Rewritten version is From: John Houser <jchouser(a)yahoo.com> About to rewrite To: gobruins(a)gobruins.icsl.ucla.edu Rewritten version is To: gobruins(a)gobruins.icsl.ucla.edu About to rewrite Sender: owner-gobruins(a)gobruins.icsl.ucla.edu Rewritten version is Sender: owner-gobruins(a)gobruins.icsl.ucla.edu fetchmail: timeout after 30 seconds waiting for listener to respond. fetchmail: client/server synchronization error while delivering to SMTP host pop.charter.net fetchmail: Query status=7 (ERROR) fetchmail: Deleting fetchids file. fetchmail: normal termination, status 7 Now, what I find is interesting is the message: Fetchmail: client/server synchronization error while delivering to SMTP host pop.charter.net It looks like it's trying to deliver to the pop server rather than my local account. WHY???? More stuff... I can email myself locally, so the SMTP server on my machine would appear to be ok. I can also telnet to the POP3 server and perform operations. My prime suspect is fetchmail. Somehow it seems to behave differently, and I have no idea why. Maybe there are different DNS entries or something causing fetchmail to deliver to the wrong place. (Of course, I don't know that the SMTP message is accurate or misleading.) TIA, Bill P.S. If you'd like to chat on the phone, please feel free. I need to get this fixed. -- Bill Mills-Curran Mills-Curran_Bill(a)emc.com EMC Corporation Tel: 508 382-7642 Coslin Drive, MS C33 Fax: 508 382-7913 Southboro, MA 01772 Tie: 824-27642

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