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LinuxCon 2010 in Boston, August 10-12
by Chuck Anderson June 28, 2010

June 28, 2010

Nichola Mente from The Linux Foundation asked me to post this event notification and discount code: Hello WLUG Members: LinuxCon 2010 will be held in Boston this Aug 10-12, and we would like to offer each of you a discount on registration fees as local community members. Information, schedule and registration can be found on our website: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon When registering, please use this code to receive a 20% discount: LCB_UG20 Happy Monday! Nichola

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Grub and E-Waste
by ted June 26, 2010

June 26, 2010

Two somewhat related questions. I went to a USB keyboard after my PS keyboard broke. I am running Ubuntu 10.04. How do I get GRUB to recognize the keyboard? Second, where do I get rid of the broken keyboard? Does Worcester have an E-Waste recycling center? Thanks. Ted

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BBQ and My Keyboard
by ted June 26, 2010

June 26, 2010

> Chuck Anderson wrote: > > I neglected to bring up this topic at our last meeting. We usually > > have a WLUG summer BBQ around July or August, so I'd like to get the > > planning discussion going now. Are people interested in having a BBQ > > this year, and if so, would someone be willing to host it? WLUG > > should enough in the bank to fund the food (Andy can you confirm?), so > > all we need is a place with a BBQ grill and a time. > > > > Comments? Ideas? I love to BBQ. I don't have a good space for hosting, but can we use one of the many fine parks in Worcester? Thats the way we rolled in Joisey. As for my USB Keyboard, the BIOS had a switch to turn on USB Keyboards and the Mouse (though I never needed the mouse for grub). Thanks for the help! Ted

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RFC: WLUG BBQ July/August timeframe
by Chuck Anderson June 25, 2010

June 25, 2010

I neglected to bring up this topic at our last meeting. We usually have a WLUG summer BBQ around July or August, so I'd like to get the planning discussion going now. Are people interested in having a BBQ this year, and if so, would someone be willing to host it? WLUG should enough in the bank to fund the food (Andy can you confirm?), so all we need is a place with a BBQ grill and a time. Comments? Ideas? -Chuck

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Converting VSAM files
by Michael Long June 24, 2010

June 24, 2010

Hi: I have a project in which I need to migrate some data stored in VSAM files to a relational database (mssql). I am wondering if anyone has had experience with extracting data from a VSAM file to a flat file. If so what tools would you recommend to make this happen. tia, Mike

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232-TTL, locally?
by soup June 8, 2010

June 8, 2010

Anyone know of a hobby/electronics shop where I could get a 232-TTL dongle, board or kit? Even just a bare MAX232 IC would be cool. I don't want to have to drive up to you-do-it, that's the only place I can think of that's left... Take care, soup

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Announce: WLUG Meeting Wednesday June 9 7PM
by Chuck Anderson June 8, 2010

June 8, 2010

Hi folks, Our next WLUG meeting is scheduled to be held on Wednesday, June 9 at 7:00 PM in Morgan Hall at the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. This is an informal open meeting. Anyone who is interested in a certain topic, feel free to come to the meeting and discuss it. We'll go out for pizza afterwards. The meeting room is in WPI's Morgan Hall (building 'H' on the campus map [1]), down the hallway to the right of the dining hall entrance. [1] http://www.wpi.edu/Images/CMS/WPI/walkingmap.pdf I look forward to seeing you there, Chuck President, Worcester Linux Users' Group

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Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 80, Issue 1 - AWK
by Steven Greenberg June 2, 2010

June 2, 2010

#!/bin/tcsh awk -F\| '$3 == "" {print}' < test.txt 109: ./awk.csh One|two||four|Five|Six One|two||four|Five|Six wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Awk Null Field (Gary Hanley) > 2. Re: Awk Null Field (Jorden M) > 3. Re: Awk Null Field (Gary Hanley) > 4. Re: Awk Null Field (Jorden M) > 5. Re: Awk Null Field (Gary Hanley) > 6. Re: Awk Null Field (Jorden M) > 7. Re: Awk Null Field (Theo Van Dinter) > 8. Re: Awk Null Field (Gary Hanley) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [Wlug] Awk Null Field > From: > Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> > Date: > Tue, 1 Jun 2010 16:00:26 -0400 (EDT) > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to eliminate any > line from the file to the output where a particular field is is null. > The 8th field in this case. > > I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but > this should be simple stuff. > > Basically I'm trying to do: > > cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~ <NULL expression> {print}' > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks. > > -- Gary > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Wlug] Awk Null Field > From: > Jorden M <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> > Date: > Tue, 1 Jun 2010 16:26:23 -0400 > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > Just check NF. > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >> Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to >> eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular >> field is is null. The 8th field in this case. >> >> I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but >> this should be simple stuff. >> >> Basically I'm trying to do: >> >> cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~ <NULL expression> {print}' >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- Gary >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Wlug] Awk Null Field > From: > Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> > Date: > Tue, 01 Jun 2010 17:08:46 -0400 > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > Thanks, but that won't help here. Maybe I should have mentioned the > fields are delimited by "|" and there is more than eight fields per record. > > I think this might be more complicated than I assumed. Thanks anyway. > > -- Gary > > On 06/01/2010 04:26 PM, Jorden M wrote: >> Just check NF. >> >> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>> Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to >>> eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular >>> field is is null. The 8th field in this case. >>> >>> I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but >>> this should be simple stuff. >>> >>> Basically I'm trying to do: >>> >>> cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~<NULL expression> {print}' >>> >>> Any help would be appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> -- Gary >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Wlug] Awk Null Field > From: > Jorden M <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> > Date: > Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:14:36 -0400 > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > What will happen if the field is null? Two pipes? Or will there be > space in between? > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >> Thanks, but that won't help here. Maybe I should have mentioned the >> fields are delimited by "|" and there is more than eight fields per record. >> >> I think this might be more complicated than I assumed. Thanks anyway. >> >> -- Gary >> >> On 06/01/2010 04:26 PM, Jorden M wrote: >>> Just check NF. >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>>> Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to >>>> eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular >>>> field is is null. The 8th field in this case. >>>> >>>> I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but >>>> this should be simple stuff. >>>> >>>> Basically I'm trying to do: >>>> >>>> cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~<NULL expression> {print}' >>>> >>>> Any help would be appreciated. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> -- Gary >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Wlug] Awk Null Field > From: > Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> > Date: > Tue, 01 Jun 2010 17:22:05 -0400 > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > There will be a space. > > -- Gary > > On 06/01/2010 05:14 PM, Jorden M wrote: >> What will happen if the field is null? Two pipes? Or will there be >> space in between? >> >> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>> Thanks, but that won't help here. Maybe I should have mentioned the >>> fields are delimited by "|" and there is more than eight fields per >>> record. >>> >>> I think this might be more complicated than I assumed. Thanks anyway. >>> >>> -- Gary >>> >>> On 06/01/2010 04:26 PM, Jorden M wrote: >>>> Just check NF. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>>>> Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to >>>>> eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular >>>>> field is is null. The 8th field in this case. >>>>> >>>>> I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but >>>>> this should be simple stuff. >>>>> >>>>> Basically I'm trying to do: >>>>> >>>>> cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~<NULL expression> {print}' >>>>> >>>>> Any help would be appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> -- Gary >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Wlug] Awk Null Field > From: > Jorden M <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> > Date: > Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:24:38 -0400 > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > So match "| |"? Or perhaps "|[ ]?|"? > > Or will that not work? > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >> There will be a space. >> >> -- Gary >> >> On 06/01/2010 05:14 PM, Jorden M wrote: >>> What will happen if the field is null? Two pipes? Or will there be >>> space in between? >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>>> Thanks, but that won't help here. Maybe I should have mentioned the >>>> fields are delimited by "|" and there is more than eight fields per record. >>>> >>>> I think this might be more complicated than I assumed. Thanks anyway. >>>> >>>> -- Gary >>>> >>>> On 06/01/2010 04:26 PM, Jorden M wrote: >>>>> Just check NF. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>>>>> Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to >>>>>> eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular >>>>>> field is is null. The 8th field in this case. >>>>>> >>>>>> I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but >>>>>> this should be simple stuff. >>>>>> >>>>>> Basically I'm trying to do: >>>>>> >>>>>> cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~<NULL expression> {print}' >>>>>> >>>>>> Any help would be appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Gary >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Wlug] Awk Null Field > From: > Theo Van Dinter <felicity(a)kluge.net> > Date: > Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:48:32 -0400 > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > Unless I'm missing something, you should just be able to do ... awk > -F\| '$8 {print}' > > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >> Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to >> eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular >> field is is null. The 8th field in this case. >> >> I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but >> this should be simple stuff. >> >> Basically I'm trying to do: >> >> cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~ <NULL expression> {print}' >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- Gary >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Wlug] Awk Null Field > From: > Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> > Date: > Tue, 01 Jun 2010 17:46:17 -0400 > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > No, that doesn't work. Here's how I tried it. > > My play file. Notice records two and four: > One|two|three|four|Five|Six > One|two||four|Five|Six > One|two|three|four|Five|Six > One|two||four|Five|Six > One|two|three|four|Five|Six > One|two|three|four|Five|Six > > Here's the output. Should have returned two records: > cat file.txt | awk -F\| '$3 = "| |" {print}' > One two | | four Five Six > One two | | four Five Six > One two | | four Five Six > One two | | four Five Six > One two | | four Five Six > One two | | four Five Six > > And: > cat file.txt | awk -F\| '$3 = "|[ ]?|" {print}' > One two |[ ]?| four Five Six > One two |[ ]?| four Five Six > One two |[ ]?| four Five Six > One two |[ ]?| four Five Six > One two |[ ]?| four Five Six > One two |[ ]?| four Five Six > > I'm probably have to refresh myself with the regular expression stuff > and build a script. Not a bad thing I guess. Somehow I just assumed > checking for a blank field in awk was a no-brainer. Now I'm going to > have to think. :-\ > > Thanks Jorden. > > -- Gary > > On 06/01/2010 05:24 PM, Jorden M wrote: >> So match "| |"? Or perhaps "|[ ]?|"? >> >> Or will that not work? >> >> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>> There will be a space. >>> >>> -- Gary >>> >>> On 06/01/2010 05:14 PM, Jorden M wrote: >>>> What will happen if the field is null? Two pipes? Or will there be >>>> space in between? >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>>>> Thanks, but that won't help here. Maybe I should have mentioned the >>>>> fields are delimited by "|" and there is more than eight fields per >>>>> record. >>>>> >>>>> I think this might be more complicated than I assumed. Thanks anyway. >>>>> >>>>> -- Gary >>>>> >>>>> On 06/01/2010 04:26 PM, Jorden M wrote: >>>>>> Just check NF. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to >>>>>>> eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular >>>>>>> field is is null. The 8th field in this case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> this should be simple stuff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Basically I'm trying to do: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~<NULL expression> {print}' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any help would be appreciated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Gary >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: http://www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

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Awk Null Field
by Gary Hanley June 1, 2010

June 1, 2010

Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular field is is null. The 8th field in this case. I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but this should be simple stuff. Basically I'm trying to do: cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~ <NULL expression> {print}' Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. -- Gary

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Help with Xen Server Setup
by Simon Kigo May 28, 2010

May 28, 2010

I have a HP DL385 G6 server that I want to put into production. I'm looking for someone who would like to have fun implementing this project with me. Thanks in advance. Below is a summary of our goals Setup Bios configurationSetup iLO managerInstall additional 4 Gig Ram in serverInstall two SAS and 1 SATA drives in a RAID configuration of our choice Install Xen server for virtualization Setup virtual serversHarden server security Your input and experience are highly valued. I'm very open to your tips/suggestions. --- On Thu, 5/27/10, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: From: wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 19 To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 9:27 PM Send Wlug mailing list submissions to wlug(a)mail.wlug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org You can reach the person managing the list at wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Please indulge me. (Ken Jones) 2. Re: Please indulge me. (Jorden M) 3. Re: Please indulge me. (John Stoffel) 4. Re: Please indulge me. (Justin St. Marie) 5. Re: 232-TTL, locally? (Adam Gomes) 6. Re: 232-TTL, locally? (Mike Leo) 7. Re: 232-TTL, locally? (soup) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:33:22 -0400 From: "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> Subject: [Wlug] Please indulge me. To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <0996212B4EF345DEADBB060626610B8B@kjonespc> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original When I was teenager a Model T Ford was an old car. My friend bought one for $25. He painted it yellow and orange, cranked it up and rode it around town with his girl friend in the passenger's seat and a case of beer in the rumble seat. Some years later we realized how much fun that was. Same's true for computers. Disclaimer ==> I have not tampered with SUN's choice of color scheme. Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15050) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:13:31 -0400 From: Jorden M <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Please indulge me. To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <AANLkTikuJcn6o3w9rOWF7oexg7K4xG6G5aXjCkHM9bvs(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You have to admit yellow and orange would be cooler than the gray and desaturated purple, though. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > When I was teenager a Model T Ford was an old car. ?My friend bought one for > $25. ?He painted it yellow and orange, cranked it up and rode it around town > with his girl friend in the passenger's seat and a case of beer in the > rumble seat. ? ?Some years later we realized how much fun that was. > > Same's true for computers. > > Disclaimer ==> I have not tampered with SUN's choice of color scheme. > > Ken > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15050) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:22:31 -0400 From: "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Please indulge me. To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <19454.47207.822003.553229(a)stoffel.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jorden> You have to admit yellow and orange would be cooler than the Jorden> gray and desaturated purple, though. And pithy saying like "Four wheels, no brakes!" on the car. I guess on the sun you could have... umm... "256Mb, no Swap!" or something equally silly. But yes, please don't let me stop you! I ran em myslef for years. John ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:26:01 -0400 From: "Justin St. Marie" <stmariejw(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Please indulge me. To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <AANLkTimAwPYVG5nslT0FOo3U7R5cQ2Ko7kmsSM5njY2g(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Came across this.... old sun stuff not too far away (Lawrence) http://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/sys/1753114433.html On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 2:22 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Jorden> You have to admit yellow and orange would be cooler than the > Jorden> gray and desaturated purple, though. > > And pithy saying like "Four wheels, no brakes!" on the car. I guess > on the sun you could have... umm... "256Mb, no Swap!" or something > equally silly. > > But yes, please don't let me stop you! I ran em myslef for years. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Justin St. Marie, RHCT Systems Engineer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100527/4bc60591/attachmen… ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 15:14:20 -0400 From: Adam Gomes <adam(a)unixgeek.net> Subject: Re: [Wlug] 232-TTL, locally? To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <AANLkTimxycUdvw3QgZbgEVXPkEv9KDOz5ivW1D72vSRn(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" How "local"? Is Pawtucket, RI too far for you? Jabour Electronics might have one, but I'm not sure if that's any closer to you than you-do-it. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Tom Misilo <tmisilo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > If you cannot find anything locally, I would recommend picking up this: > > http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9718 > > It is a USB cable with a built in FTDI Chip. Very good support for > Linux and Windows alike. > > They also make cables that can be found at www.mouser.com that do not > have the 6pin .1 header, but bare tinned wires. > > Tom > > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, soup <soupforare(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Anyone know of a hobby/electronics shop where I could get a 232-TTL > > dongle, board or kit? Even just a bare MAX232 IC would be cool. > > I don't want to have to drive up to you-do-it, that's the only place I > > can think of that's left... > > > > Take care, > > soup > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100527/259c54f9/attachmen… ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:21:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] 232-TTL, locally? To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <480259.80441.qm(a)web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://eli.com/ might also have what you are looking for, though I'm not really following this thread that closely! ________________________________ From: Adam Gomes <adam(a)unixgeek.net> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 3:14:20 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] 232-TTL, locally? How "local"? Is Pawtucket, RI too far for you? Jabour Electronics might have one, but I'm not sure if that's any closer to you than you-do-it. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Tom Misilo <tmisilo(a)gmail.com> wrote: If you cannot find anything locally, I would recommend picking up this: > >http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9718 > >>It is a USB cable with a built in FTDI Chip. Very good support for >>Linux and Windows alike. > >>They also make cables that can be found at www.mouser.com that do not >>have the 6pin .1 header, but bare tinned wires. > >>Tom > > >>On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, soup <soupforare(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Anyone know of a hobby/electronics shop where I could get a 232-TTL >>> dongle, board or kit? Even just a bare MAX232 IC would be cool. >>> I don't want to have to drive up to you-do-it, that's the only place I >>> can think of that's left... >>> >>> Take care, >>> soup >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> > >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100527/698d7f70/attachmen… ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:27:43 -0400 From: soup <soupforare(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] 232-TTL, locally? To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <4BFF1C0F.4080709(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 5/27/2010 3:21 PM, Mike Leo wrote: > http://eli.com/ might also have what you are looking for, though I'm > not really following this thread that closely! > Unfortunately, eli is almost entirely computer stuff now, they used to be randomly good for surplus. Thanks to all replies! I ended up heading to you-do-it. They only had some MAX clone ICs, but good enough, worked out in the end. Take care, soup ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug End of Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 19 ************************************

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Please indulge me.
by Ken Jones May 27, 2010

May 27, 2010

When I was teenager a Model T Ford was an old car. My friend bought one for $25. He painted it yellow and orange, cranked it up and rode it around town with his girl friend in the passenger's seat and a case of beer in the rumble seat. Some years later we realized how much fun that was. Same's true for computers. Disclaimer ==> I have not tampered with SUN's choice of color scheme. Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15050) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

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Two more questions....
by Ken Jones May 26, 2010

May 26, 2010

My goal is to get Fedora 12-Beta up and running on my ULTRA1 Sparc. When I tried installing it the system did not like my DISC 1. 1. I would like to check the checksums on the six CD's that I made from your fedora 12-Beta source. I read that the only way is to shutdown, do "STOP a" and type "Linux mediacheck". My system does not recognize the "Linux mediacheck" command. Is there no way to do this operation from within a running Aurora system? 2. I have checked. I really have two identical Aurora systems on my two hard drives. The older one on the 17Gig drive from the ULTRA1 that died does not boot correctly. The newer version on the 3.4 Gig disk is from last week's successful installation of that same antique five CD .iso set. That new installation had to be limited because of a problem with a language file supporting emacs. I would like to be running a modern Aurora, but still keep my archive files. Any suggestions for a plan of action would be greatly appreciated. Ken Jones Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15050) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

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Re: [Wlug] One more question.
by Eric Martin May 26, 2010

May 26, 2010

usually its .profile or .csh_profile or something to that effect. Like james said, google is your friend. Also, chances are you're using bash so its .bashrc eric On May 25, 2010 10:04 PM, "James Gray" <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> wrote: On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > Which configuration process... For bash you can add the commands to set these variables for bash in .bashrc if you use a different shell you'll need to edit a different file. Google should be able to help you with this. You can set variables system wide (all users) by editing /etc/profile (or at least that is where ubuntu puts it). Thanks! _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlu...

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One more question.
by Ken Jones May 26, 2010

May 26, 2010

Which configuration process creates the environmental variables? I want to permanently add to my PATH. Presently I do it every time I logon. Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15050) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

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Eric, this is the one.
by Ken Jones May 25, 2010

May 25, 2010

Yes, Eric, this is the ULTRA 1 Creator you gave me. It had been my backup machine. Now it is center stage. Seems to be doing fine. My problems have been with installing a modern version of Aurora. Previously it had been running Gentoo without X. Thanks. Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15050) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

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I was all mixed up.
by Ken Jones May 24, 2010

May 24, 2010

My ULTRA1 hard drives do not have a separate four pin power connector. That's the CD drive. Here's what one of my hard drives says: Seagate Barracuda Model ST32171WC It has a connector with about 76 pins. They are too small for me to count accurately. ---------------------------------------- I have decided to stick with my present installation of a 2004 Aurora package on my 3.2 Gig disk. I can mount my old Linux disk so I can get at the files I wish to preserve. I can even back them up. I think I can RPM some newer versions from the WEB. I have a brand new Fedora 12 Beta packages disk that refused to load. Checksum?? Gotta get Md5sum going... Thank you for all your support and tell me when you get a PDP10 or 11 working. Inputting from punched paper telegraph tape will bring back memories. Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15050) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

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mine has a separate power cord
by Ken Jones May 23, 2010

May 23, 2010

Thanks, Chuck, for noting the two variations. My ULTRA 1 has an oval connector with 68 (I did not count them) pins and a separate four wire power cord. Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15050) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

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Need a bigger SCSI disk
by Ken Jones May 22, 2010

May 22, 2010

John, Yes this is one of those oval connectors. It is designated as sdb which (I always thought) means the second SCSI drive disk. I'd be glad to take a drive to where ever you are for a 35Gig drive. Ken

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Systems Administrator position available at TripAdvisor in Newton
by Ryan Pugatch May 21, 2010

May 21, 2010

TripAdvisor is looking for a mid- to senior-level Systems Administrator who will join a team of two systems administrators to support, maintain, and enhance a rapidly growing IT infrastructure that spans across the globe and serves roughly 350 employees worldwide. We are not your typical Windows / Active Directory / Exchange shop. Our servers are primarily Linux (CentOS) with a handful running Windows. We tend to prefer open solutions that we can take off the shelf and adapt to our needs, but we are not wedded to a particular OS or vendor. We aim for the solution that makes the most sense. We utilize Zimbra for mail, Asterisk for telephony, OpenLDAP instead of Active Directory, and Samba for our domain controllers and file sharing—all on Linux servers. To be successful in this role you will: - Have strong troubleshooting skills and a diagnostic intuition - Be a self-starter. If you don’t know how to do something you consider it a challenge to try to figure it out for yourself - Have a genuine desire to learn and expand your skill set You will have demonstrated experience with: - Linux systems administration (especially Red Hat variants) - Windows systems administration - Samba - OpenLDAP - Mail server administration - Server virtualization - Scripting (especially perl and bash) - Networking (especially Cisco PIX, ASA and IOS) Duties and Responsibilities include: - Racking and installing servers - Troubleshooting network and server hardware and software problems - Maintaining network infrastructure including switches and firewalls - Maintaining patch management and endpoint security - Assisting with SAN management - Handling escalated helpdesk support tickets - Participating in a 24x7 on-call emergency pager SAN administration experience is highly desired. Experience with Zimbra or Compellent storage equipment is a plus. Please email me directly if you have any questions. You can apply via https://careers.peopleclick.com/careerscp/client_expedia/external_tripadvis… Thanks, Ryan

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Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9
by David Hardy May 21, 2010

May 21, 2010

I don't have any old DEC equipment anymore, but I started my so-called IT career on a PDP-11 out in gorgeous Gardner, MA back in 1986. It ran RSX for an engineering CAD/CAM shop and we also had a VAX 780 running VMS 3.5. Last version of VMS I've worked with was 7.1, right here in Wormtown. I love Linux but I have to say I also was in love with VMS. Rumor had it, back in '89, that there was a field somewhere off Route 12 in Leominster, where DEC had dumped loads and loads of equipment, including computers, printers, cables, you-name-it. One of my operators when I was a sys admin at DEC Marlborough at that time had his front yard filled with that stuff, and the weather allegedly had no effect on any of it. I would imagine by now that the field, if it ever existed, is now a condo development or a semi-abandoned strip mall. Cheers from South Woostuh! On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Ken Jones) > 2. Re: Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Jorden Mauro) > 3. Re: Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Doug Chamberlin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 22:02:40 -0400 > From: "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> > Subject: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC > To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <94F4CAE4ED0C4AC0BB1660AF1C3A9586@kjonespc> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to study > and learn. GENTOO just would not stick. > > I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 dated Jan > 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my old "lost" files. > Hurray!! > > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? > > Ken Jones > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100518/2c82159f/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 07:35:45 -0400 > From: Jorden Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Cc: "<wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <52DB5519-B9DE-47AE-9DC6-FE7E2899906A(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On May 18, 2010, at 10:02 PM, "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > > > I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to > > study and learn. GENTOO just would not stick. > > > > I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 > > dated Jan 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my > > old "lost" files. Hurray!! > > > > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? > > 'fraid even the computer history museum is still looking for parts to > get one that can boot. > > You can run v7 Unix in a special pdp11 VM for old time sake, though. > It even has a working version of Ken's chess. > > If anyone knows PDP assembly, I'd love to see that program ported into > the 21st century. > > > > > Ken Jones > > > > > > > > > > > > ======= > > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) > > http://www.pctools.com > > ======= > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100519/0644a5bb/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 08:09:12 -0400 > From: Doug Chamberlin <dougchamberlin(a)earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <4BF3D4E8.9080303(a)earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On 5/18/2010 10:02 PM, Ken Jones wrote: > > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? > No, but I have two Dec Alpha systems looking for a good home. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100519/9ba9f378/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9 > *********************************** >

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Re: [Wlug] Need a bigger ULTRA1 disk
by jbaillie＠netzero.com May 21, 2010

May 21, 2010

If you are talking 68 pin I may be able to help you out with a disk. It probably has a generic firmware on it. I don't know if that makes a difference to your situ. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: [Wlug] Need a bigger ULTRA1 disk Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 22:56:34 -0400 Hello again, I have down loaded the six CD Fedora-12-sparc-beta-disc.iso set. It appears to be about 3.4 Gig. That is about the size of the hard drive on which I had hoped to install it. Anybody know where I could get a bigger ULTRA sparc64 compatible hard drive? Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15020) http://www.pctools.com ======= ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf69580c22af5bdf5st02duc

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Need a bigger ULTRA1 disk
by Ken Jones May 21, 2010

May 21, 2010

Hello again, I have down loaded the six CD Fedora-12-sparc-beta-disc.iso set. It appears to be about 3.4 Gig. That is about the size of the hard drive on which I had hoped to install it. Anybody know where I could get a bigger ULTRA sparc64 compatible hard drive? Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15020) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

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Progress - hardware issues...
by Ken Jones May 19, 2010

May 19, 2010

Again, Thank you all for being there. My SUN ULTRA 1 Creator had some hardware problems. Its CDROM reader was intermittent. That explained the problem getting GENTOO liveCD disks to work. Now, I have three GENTOO liveCD's. They all boot. ------------------------ One has a printed label. I must have gotten in by snail mail. The label says: GENTOO Linux/2004/sparc64/CD1 Sparc64 Installation Disc 'uname' says it is: liveCD 2.4-gentoo-r2 (I think) Inside is documentation. The most recent date is July 2004. ----------------------------- install-sparc64-minimal-2006.1.iso 'uname' says it is: liveCD 2.6.17-gentoo-r5 ----------------------------- install-sparc64-universal-2006.1.iso 'uname' says it too is: liveCD 2.6.17-gentoo-r5 ----------------------------- I fail to see the difference between the minimal and the universal versions once they are installed. I want a 'real' installation. Not one running off my cdrom drive. I thought that somehow these minimal and universal versions would show me the way. I used to run Aurora, but the old mirror sights seem to have disappeared. I have my old five CD aurora disc set, but the CD drive coughs it out when I try to boot to it. I have saved the files on that hard drive that I had been using as a server. I would like to get the ULTRA running GNOME or KDE, but I am getting a bit lost. A suggestion would be appreciated. Ken

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Success - antique linux on antique SPARC
by Ken Jones May 19, 2010

May 19, 2010

I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to study and learn. GENTOO just would not stick. I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 dated Jan 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my old "lost" files. Hurray!! Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? Ken Jones ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

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OMG this thing was expensive
by Ken Jones May 15, 2010

May 15, 2010

Hello again, I've finally gotten around to fixing my SPARC ULTRA 1 machine. It's cpu fan is fried. I have a SPARC ULTRA 1 CREATOR that works with UBUNTU linux but I never got X-WINDOWS working on it. The working SPARC has been my home file server for all these many years. It had Aurora Linux with X all working fine. I figured I would do some swapping. Although the outsides are identical the two machines differ inside. The CREATOR has no cpu fan - just cooling fins. Good, I guess. I had no Service Manuals for either machine so I went to Wikipedia. It has the manuals. It also said, "The Ultra 1 Creator3D 170E launched in November 1995 with a list price of US$27,995." WOW!! QUESTION: If I move from the ULTRA1 to the ULTRA1 CREATOR the SIMMs in bank one and the hard drive should everything come up per before the crash? Thanks for thinking about this. Twenty Seven Thousand Bucks WOW!! Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14950) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

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