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Reminder: WLUG Meeting Next Wed (3/9) Topic: Virtualization Technologies
by Tim Keller 02 Mar '11

02 Mar '11

Hey Everybody, This is a reminder that next Wednesday I'm going to be giving a talk about virtualization technologies. I plan to do some white boarding, slides and a demo of different virtualization products currently on the market (both closed and open source). If anybody has specific questions or specific things they'd like to me to cover let me know and I'll update/expand my slides and notes to cover it. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Remembering KO
by Ken Jones 13 Feb '11

13 Feb '11

I shall reveal my age. I was a working AN/FSQ7 programmer in Group 67 at Lincoln Labs when KO took off on his crazy venture to that mill in Maynard. I did not know Ken at the time as he was in Group 64 if my memory serves me correctly. DEC's first products were 'logic boards'. Those were the days of 'wire wrap' breadboarding. Ken's cards built with itty bitty new fangled transistor things slipped securely into a standard wire wrap board. I do not remember any specific cards, but I know they consisted of multiple individual NAND and NOR gates and probably a couple of FLIP FLOPs. >From that came the PDP-1 which I never saw. My memory focuses on the PDP-8 which was popular - so to speak. To put this in perspective the US had just deployed the SAGE air defense computers all around the country to detect and intercept Russian atomic bomb carrying jet airplanes. The SAGE computers used water cooled vacuum tube technology. I suggest, if you can find a library (remember them?), that is open check out "DEC is Dead, Long LIve DEC" The Lasting Legacy of Digital Equipment Corporation by Edgar Schein. (Is it available on NOOK?). My read of that book was that DEC was fine and healthy so long as it's engineers were producing products the customers did not know they needed, ie DEC was never consumer driven. (This is part of why KO was so beloved.) I was a TCP/IP aware person when I went to work for DEC in 1985. Inside those DEC walls DECnet was not only everything, it was the only thing. Ken Jones

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Off topic: good iPod Touch 4th Gen repairers?
by John Stoffel 10 Feb '11

10 Feb '11

Guys, Got a 4th gen iPod Touch with a busted glass cover. Anyone know of a reliable and cost effective place to do the repair? Thanks, John --

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nice remembrances: Ken Olsen, DEC, .....
by Doug Mildram 09 Feb '11

09 Feb '11

A nice article from Jon Hall is on top of the blog http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/Paw-Prints-Writings-of-the-mad… along with many other replies about PDP-* systems, VMS, etc. My first HIGHtech job (1985) was hanging tapes and keeping dumb terminals alive and connected to four VAX 750/780's running (not VMS but) BSD4 unix (before NFS, before NIS) for a robotics shop in Billerica called Automatix. csh% a.out hello, world !

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WLUG meeting tonight, 7pm
by Chuck Anderson 09 Feb '11

09 Feb '11

Hi folks, Our next WLUG meeting is tonight at 7:00 PM at the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. The meeting room is in WPI's Morgan Hall (building 'H' on the campus map [1]), down the hallway to the right of the dining hall entrance. [1] http://www.wpi.edu/Images/CMS/WPI/walkingmap.pdf Chuck President, Worcester Linux Users' Group

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Jon "Maddog" Hall speaking at Northeast GNU/Linux fest, Worcester
by Chuck Anderson 08 Feb '11

08 Feb '11

Northeast GNU/Linux Fest Details Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011 Time: 10:30 a.m. - 3:00 p.m. Location: Worcester State University Student Center 486 Chandler St. Worcester MA 01602 ----- Forwarded message from Jonathan Nadeau <northeastlinux(a)gmail.com> ----- From: Jonathan Nadeau <northeastlinux(a)gmail.com> To: cra(a)WPI.EDU Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 09:15:08 -0500 Subject: Northeast GNU/Linux fest Greetings, My name is Jonathan Nadeau and I'm coordinator of the Northeast GNU/Linux fest (http://www.northeastlinuxfest.org) which will be held in Worcester, MA on April 2, 2011. I was given your contact info by Jon Maddog Hall (who will be speaking at the event), and I'm writing to you to see if you would be willing to attend, and if you would please announce this to the people in your group. Thanks for your time and help. Jonathan ----- End forwarded message -----

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Linux User Group Survey
by Dafydd Crosby 07 Feb '11

07 Feb '11

Hello, I've made a survey for Linux User Group members across North America. I would like to get the pulse of different groups and see what's working so that all LUG's can improve the experience. This data will be published on http://clug.ca (the Calgary Linux User Group website) on August, 2011. The survey is only 12 questions, and shouldn't take more than 5 minutes to complete. http://www.lonesomecosmonaut.com/limesurvey/index.php?sid=94921&newtest=Y&l… Thank you for your participation! -Dafydd President of Calgary Linux User Group

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Computer Recycling - Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 6
by Steven Greenberg 05 Feb '11

05 Feb '11

Just before moving from the Portland, Oregon area back to Massachusetts, I did have the proverbial closet of old computer equipment. Portland had a place that you could bring this equipment to for recycling. They charged a small fee to take the equipment off your hands with the commitment that they would refurbish it or otherwise recycle it. Of course Portland had such a strong green ethos that a business like this could flourish there. I figured I did my part for the environment and saved the cost of moving the dead weight across country and storing it in a closet here. /Steve On 2/5/2011 12:00 PM, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Business idea (joel d) > 2. Re: Business idea (soup) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: http://www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

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Re: [Wlug] Business idea
by joel d 05 Feb '11

05 Feb '11

On 2/3/2011 11:30 AM, Keith Wright wrote: >> From: Jason Couture<plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> >> >> I was considering reviving my PC business by selling >> computers with linux preinstalled. Does anyone have >> any distro suggestions aside from Ubuntu and mint? Do >> any of you know anyone who may be interested? > Well, good luck with that (sincerely). > > I had that idea about twelve years ago. > > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/ > > As it worked out, I was fronting thousands > of dollars for parts and working for a day > to put it all together for a profit of a > few dollars. You can't ask much money for > doing a simple thing that the people smart > and knowledgable enough to want can do for > themselves. > > I decided to give it up when one company > that bought about $3000 worth of computer > decided to return it. That was my main > computer for several years, but if I had > designed it myself I would have built > something a bit cheaper. I sure didn't > need another one. > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > I have also been trying out the numbers on such a venture and have come to the same conclusion (as Keith). If you can come up with a special niche market, like a car/boat/RV computer or a DVR/HDTV computer for a particular market that has some kind of Television access problem, then you may find a way to profit. It is very hard to go up against the low-end and sale machines at the stores. If you are a great seller, you may be able to talk your way into some customers. In Florida, there are a couple of small companies doing neighborhood wifi internet access for a great price, but even they depend more on the internet charges and the computer service calls than on system sales. Service and training seems like the most profitable part of the picture to me. Still, I hope you find a way to do this. I hope I don't sound too negative. I'm just a regular guy without any strict training or a business degree, so I'm certainly not the last word on the subject. DaveC -- David P. Connell "Watch where you're going; remember where you've been." Hey, Sorry for not chiming in sooner. I remember while working on my MBA trying to work out how to run a small for profit local PC and support business aimed at home consumers and an occasional small business. The short answer at the time was the advent of the "shiny new $450 PC" made computers toaster-ish (breaks - put in basement/closet - buy another). In the ensuing decade plus since I have confirmed two things IMHO: 1) The price of entry level PCs are going even lower. I haven't looked but I bet there are refurbs out there for $200-ish. This fact makes it harder for a consumer to pay even $25 for someone to work on their (likely 2 to 6 years old on average) PC whether in a shop or in the home. The business person's reasoning is "good money after bad". Not sure why home consumers do this, but they do. 2) Most non-IT geeks have a small closet/basement pile of PCs somewhere in their house if they haven't moved within the decade. Moving of course drives people into momentary sanity with "Why am I keeping / saving / moving all this useless junk?" Geeks of course re-use them as personal firewalls / coffee warmers / Myth boxes / ways to communicate with aliens / ... App won't install... Printer cable won't connect... Adware and viruses got you slugging along... Bad device driver killing your uptime... Your 18 long hair cats packing the case with a fur effigy with expected heat & reboot issues... Consumers answer to all is: "Buy a new PC!" Ask around to non-geek friends/co-workers. You will be amazed. A family friend is on their 4th brand new computer in 3 years. I assure you the scope of work has not changed (web browsing, e-mail, facebook, etc). I am now wondering how do you get these closet PCs for cheap/free then image them to get them useful again. Obvious start is to get referrals from moving companies that quote household moves, then call offering to remove their unused PC's for free. Somewhere there must be a support group for home consumers who have their own Dell rep on speed dial. I am not bashing Dell here, merely using their name in the examples to make a point, Joel

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Business idea
by Jason Couture 03 Feb '11

03 Feb '11

I was considering reviving my PC business by selling computers with linux preinstalled. Does anyone have any distro suggestions aside from Ubuntu and mint? Do any of you know anyone who may be interested?

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Kernel Crash dump
by Andy Stewart 03 Feb '11

03 Feb '11

HI guys, I finally got some type of crash dump from my system. I have tried Ubuntu variations of the 2.6.35, 2.6.36, and 2.6.37 kernels, all of which have crashed on me. Finally, 2.6.37 gave me a trace on the console screen. I had to copy it down by hand, so don't take it too literally. Here is the data. I intentionally left out all of the hex addresses in the call trace. It seems pretty obvious to me that something is amiss in the hardware. I wonder if my heat syncs are full of dust. That will be the first thing I check. Any helpful advice would be most appreciated. Thanks! Andy ======= Hardware error CPU0 Machine Check Exception: 4 Bank 4 2f00001000010c0f TSC 1ae6ab55d12 Processor 2 f5a time 1296699696 socket 0 apic 0 mc4_status uncorrected error, other errors lost: yes cpu context corrupt: yes Northbridge error, node 0, crc error detected on HT link Transaction GEN (GEN), no timeout, Cache level L3/Gen, Participating processor:OBS Machine check: processor context corrupt Kernel Panic - not syncing: Fatal Machine check on current CPU Pid 0, comm: swapper Tainted: G M 2.6.37-020637-generic Call Trace: #MC panic printk mce_panic do_machine_check machine_check native_safe_halt EOE default_idle cpu_idle rest_init start_kernel early_idt_handler x86_64_start_reservations x86_64_start_kernel panic occurred, switching back to text console ======= -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

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Re: [Wlug] Kernel Crash dump
by Jason Couture 03 Feb '11

03 Feb '11

Try leaving the mem test running for a while, see if it will do it with that running. Could have just been the dust too lol. On Feb 2, 2011 11:14 PM, "Andy Stewart" <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: On 02/02/2011 10:25 PM, Jason Couture wrote: > I'd run memtest86 plus, the memory controller can cau... Well, I cleaned out a bunch of dust...maybe a heat problem caused some weirdness. I'm also running memtester on the live system...so far, so good. The machine is about 5 yrs old - maybe this is my excuse to build myself another one. The crash is weird, sometimes it crashes within a couple of minutes of booting the system, and other times, it takes a week. I still claim that it started happening when I upgraded from SuSE 10.1 to Kubuntu 10.10, but I did open the case and install a new SATA hard drive at that time as well. This machine was an absolute rock when running SuSE 10.1. We'll see what happens...thanks, everybody, for the helpful suggestions. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetu... Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 2
by Caobin zhu 02 Feb '11

02 Feb '11

Hi, eric, i am interested in your #2 item, the SCSI pc. i am living in worcester, how can i go forwared to get it if it is still available. Thanks. caobin > From: wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 2 > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:39:34 -0500 > > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Winter cleaning (Eric Martin) > 2. Re: Winter cleaning (Eric Martin) > 3. Re: Winter cleaning (Eric Martin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:38:33 -0500 > From: Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <AANLkTimwvJM6LpGR_0fTxsjxpX5P2v8cXSUYTd1_XE3F(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Will do. > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Henrique <nican(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > > Hello Eric, > > > > I have interest in the OpenGL book. Could you bring it to the next Wlug > > meeting? > > > > Henrique Polido. > > > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > > >> I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs. > >> It's all free, please take it if you can use it. > >> > >> Computers: > >> > >> Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly > >> > >> > >> 1. 2 CRTs (working) > >> 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive > >> 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan > >> / power supply > >> 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors > >> 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB > >> 6. More to come > >> > >> Books: > >> Interactive Computer Graphics > >> > >> http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03… > >> > >> Fluency with Information Technology > >> > >> http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/… > >> > >> Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using > >> OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…> > >> > >> Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using > >> OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books > >> C Pocket Reference > >> > >> http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1… > >> -- > >> Eric Martin > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wlug mailing list > >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > -- > Eric Martin > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20110202/4cf94edd/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:39:10 -0500 > From: Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <AANLkTimMJsfDQTigL4F5G8a-1O_1N2odUET3onEO6fh2(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have a 300W 20PIN if you want, It's currently in a case and you're welcome > to both > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > > I have a computer that needs a power supply, could you email me directly if > > you have a spare? > > > > Sent from my android wireless device. > > > > On Feb 2, 2011 1:37 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs. > > It's all free, please take it if you can use it. > > > > Computers: > > > > Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly > > > > > > 1. 2 CRTs (working) > > 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive > > 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan / > > power supply > > 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors > > 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB > > 6. More to come > > > > Books: > > Interactive Computer Graphics > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03… > > > > Fluency with Information Technology > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/… > > > > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL > > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…> > > > > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL > > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books > > C Pocket Reference > > > > http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1… > > -- > > Eric Martin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > -- > Eric Martin > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20110202/24df222f/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:39:31 -0500 > From: Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <AANLkTi=OJ5QVYt=Bk4AqtHtv280pyVgFgiv_tSpwC+aQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Sorry, that went already > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > > I could use the 1U too for my distcc compile farm, but only if no one else > > wants it. > > > > On Feb 2, 2011 1:37 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs. > > It's all free, please take it if you can use it. > > > > Computers: > > > > Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly > > > > > > 1. 2 CRTs (working) > > 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive > > 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan / > > power supply > > 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors > > 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB > > 6. More to come > > > > Books: > > Interactive Computer Graphics > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03… > > > > Fluency with Information Technology > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/… > > > > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL > > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…> > > > > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL > > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books > > C Pocket Reference > > > > http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1… > > -- > > Eric Martin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > -- > Eric Martin > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20110202/cbc9979f/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 2 > ***********************************

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Winter cleaning
by Eric Martin 02 Feb '11

02 Feb '11

I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs. It's all free, please take it if you can use it. Computers: Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly 1. 2 CRTs (working) 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan / power supply 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB 6. More to come Books: Interactive Computer Graphics http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03… Fluency with Information Technology http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/… Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…> Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books C Pocket Reference http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1… -- Eric Martin

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Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning
by Jason Couture 02 Feb '11

02 Feb '11

I have a computer that needs a power supply, could you email me directly if you have a spare? Sent from my android wireless device. On Feb 2, 2011 1:37 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs. It's all free, please take it if you can use it. Computers: Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly 1. 2 CRTs (working) 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan / power supply 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB 6. More to come Books: Interactive Computer Graphics http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03… Fluency with Information Technology http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/… Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…> Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books C Pocket Reference http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1… -- Eric Martin _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Unstable Linux in recent releases
by Andy Stewart 19 Jan '11

19 Jan '11

HI gang, I've read an awful lot of posts recently describing freezing or hanging systems in very recent versions of several Linux distributions. Unfortunately, I got one of them - Kubuntu 10.10 (I *knew* I shouldn't have upgraded from the very stable SuSE 10.1, except that it was quite old). My system arbitrarily hangs/freezes at unpredictable intervals. Sometimes I can make it happen 2 minutes after a reboot, and other times it takes a few days, but invariably, it does occur. I can usually induce it by doing something semi-stressful to the video, like watching something via mplayer, but it doesn't always occur. The postings I've seen appear to describe a wide variety of hardware and software configurations, and nobody can seem to find any error data in any log file. What I can't find is the solution, and I've googled extensively. Has anybody found anything online that talks about some very recently discovered bug and its fix that would cure the problem? Thanks! Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

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Unstable Linux in recent releases
by Kevin Paetzold 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

In case no one made the connection between my previous messagesubject and this thread..... They are the same. I believe that the fix i pointed out is the cause of these "unstable" linux's. Certainly the fix worked for me. When I first booted with one of the fixed kernels it ran for a wk (before i rebooted). Previously my machine was hanging at least once per day and at some points every hour or so. And in answer to previous question, the machine was hung such that it was not possible to ssh into it or make it respond in any way. Indeed after using the power switch to turn off the machine I still had to pull the AC plug to get it to be able to reboot. On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:25 AM, kevin.paetzold <kevin.paetzold(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I meant to say that I am now running vmlinuz-2.6.35.10-77.fc14.i686 > from fedora 14 koji. Both the above kernel and > vmlinuz-2.6.35.10-75.bz667459.fc14.i686 > seem to resolve the issue. > > http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/kernel/2.6.35.10/77.fc14/ > > In fedora this problem seemed to show up with the 10-72 kernel and was > perhaps even worse with 10-74 kernel. > > >

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hanging kernels #2
by kevin.paetzold 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

I meant to say that I am now running vmlinuz-2.6.35.10-77.fc14.i686 from fedora 14 koji. Both the above kernel and vmlinuz-2.6.35.10-75.bz667459.fc14.i686 seem to resolve the issue. http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/kernel/2.6.35.10/77.fc14/ In fedora this problem seemed to show up with the 10-72 kernel and was perhaps even worse with 10-74 kernel.

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hanging linux
by kevin.paetzold 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

I recently saw comments on this list about kernels that hang. Indeed that was/is true for fedora 14. The symptoms I saw were essentially a frozen screen with no mouse pointer etc... In my case I would actually have to power cycle (actually pulling the ac plug) my dell pc to reboot it. In my case I believe that the bug (in fedora land) was bz667459. see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=667459 I was a comments in this bug pointed me at a bug fix kernel "vmlinuz-2.6.35.10-75.bz667459.fc14.i686". This kernel resolved the problem. By the way, I have now upgraded (on friday) to vmlinuz-2.6.35.10-75.bz667459.fc14.i686 from koji which has also been stable.

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Re: [Wlug] Any idea where to find a job?
by Jason Couture 16 Jan '11

16 Jan '11

Any it position will do, as for travel marlboro, framingham, etc are all fine by me, boston would be a bit far. My retail experience consists of: logistics, electronics sales, and hourly management. Prior to that I used to sell, repair and build computers. And would troubleshoot and set up networks. As well as contract programming. I'm a jack of all trades when it comes to computers really. Id actually like to avoid any linux positions as I'm not really sure how to rate my knowledge. I can install a working gentoo system without the handbook, if that gives any hints. Sent from my android wireless device. On Dec 23, 2010 2:11 PM, "Cole Lavallee" <colelavallee(a)gmail.com> wrote: What are your options for travel? Are you looking solely for just a Linux position? To be honest, they're hard to come by. (100% Linux) without experience. What is your retail experience include? I worked at Best Buy selling computers for 2 years & had 9 months of college course work completed when I landed my first position. (Windows desktop support role) That was 3 years ago this month, now I work with Linux/Windows/VMware/Networking/Storage/etc. On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:10 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > > Jason> If anyone k... -- Cole Lavallee 401.935.4007 http://www.linkedin.com/in/colelavallee _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] Unstable Linux in recent releases
by Jason Couture 16 Jan '11

16 Jan '11

Andy, I'm sorry, I got the emails mixed up. It could be a driver issue, but I only suspect that due to the freezing under heavy video load. Could I also suggest trying a different video card to eliminate hardware issues? The video card may have started to fail as you switched distros, unlikely but possible? Sent from my android wireless device. On Jan 16, 2011 8:47 AM, "Andy Stewart" <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: On 01/16/2011 06:25 AM, Jason Couture wrote: > Have you tried the nonfree nvidia drivers? Or perhaps... Hi Jason, My graphics chip is the ATI Radeon RV280 (Radeon 9200 PRO), and it is running the Free Software driver. There is nothing proprietary in use for the video. I don't generally like to use the proprietary drivers, but perhaps I could try it to see if it makes any difference. Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsf... Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Dec Meeting announcement / linux-raid problem
by Eric Martin 16 Jan '11

16 Jan '11

I just realized that I haven't received anything from WLUG in over a month, including the announcement for this past meeting. Did anybody else have this problem or is it just me? Now, the main reason for my email. My mythbox / home file server runs linux soft-raid in RAID5 with 3 500GB disks. One disk went bad a while ago and the array never rebuilt itself. The other day, the second disk went bad. Am I hosed? I've been googling for 'rebuild bad linux software raid' but all I get is the rebuild command. Also, I don't see any tools that will move bad data to another spot on the disk. This is my first time using software raid so I'm in a bit over my head. thanks! -- Eric Martin

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Old man and LINUX
by Ken Jones 14 Jan '11

14 Jan '11

Folks, I have always wondered at my ability to keep the myriad of LINUX instructions in my head. What would I do if I were to start losing them? Is there a tool to search for recall? Is there any way to go backwards in LINUX command land? If I were to remember that there is a command that will print on standard output the contents of a file in txt characters, but could not for the life of me remember 'more'. Where would I go for help (other than sending a email to this list serve)? All the command dictionaries I have are alphabetic. Ken Jones (the elder)

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Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX
by Steven Greenberg 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

Unix/Linux command names were exactly what drove me crazy when I first had to use Unix. I wanted to list something on the terminal, or maybe type it. Who would have thought to "cat" it or "more" it. And then we have the aptly named utilities like "awk". I was so proud when it finally dawned on me what the letters "a" "w" and "k" stood for. So I eventually did learn all the commands, but I never thought about the problem of forgetting them until this digest entry. I had the same reaction to emacs in the beginning. Doing apropos in emacs is not helpful when the concept you associate with the task is nothing like the way it is named or described in Emacs. I have learned to write down in a diary on my computer every time I finally find the hard to find command in either Emacs or unix/linux. The next time I want to do the same thing and I have forgotten what the command is, and I finally give up trying to find it in emacs, I can search my diary. Chances are the diary entry will be associated with the word I mentally associate with the task. /Steve -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: http://www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

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Old man and LINUX
by temljrmjrlmr＠comcast.net 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

Try "fc -l" (thats dash ell) no quotes shows a tail of whats in .bash_history I think Or - if you know the command's number in the history sequence "fc {$line_no}" Brings Previous command comes up in your default editor Default here (Ubuntu Hardy) was set to the nano editor for some reason so i did FCEDIT=vi ; export FCEDIT NOW things are more better Jay Louis J Rouleau Semi-Old Man South Hadley --------------- Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:02:29 -0500 From: Jorden M <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <AANLkTi=NDA=EenfiOTAcnROVGEjfajmH93mwss5vj9XQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > Folks, > > I have? always wondered at my ability to keep the myriad of LINUX > instructions in my head.? What would I do?if I were to start losing them? > Is there a tool to search for recall? > > Is there any way to go backwards in LINUX command land? ?If I were to > remember that there is a command that will print on standard output the > contents of a file in txt characters,? but could not for the life of me > remember 'more'.? Where would I go for help (other than sending a email to > this list serve)?? All the command dictionaries I have are alphabetic. > > Ken Jones (the elder) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > apropos, although that isn't always helpful. Google. There are also some sites that have commands listed categorically. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:00:25 -0500 From: "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <19758.16537.740475.105771(a)quad.stoffel.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>>> "Ken" == Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> writes: Ken> Folks, Ken> I have always wondered at my ability to keep the myriad of LINUX instructions in my head. What would I do if I were to start losing them? Is there a tool to search for recall? Ken> Is there any way to go backwards in LINUX command land? If I Ken> were to remember that there is a command that will print on Ken> standard output the contents of a file in txt characters, but Ken> could not for the life of me remember 'more'. Where would I go Ken> for help (other than sending a email to this list serve)? All Ken> the command dictionaries I have are alphabetic. man -k something where something is vaguely related to your needs. In this case, I just did 'man -k text' and the last things that popped up were 'zmore'. Plus a bunch of other system calls and library calls about text handling. Maybe pickup one of the linux for beginners books that O'Reilly puts out? Unix in a Nutshell, etc. That should help you find commands. Also, *any* text editor will let you read a text file, even if you don't want to edit it. John ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:24:17 -0500 From: Gregory Avedissian <avedis.g(a)verizon.net> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <4D2E4631.7020705(a)verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The up arrow will take you through your command history in reverse order. If you want to see more than one command at a time, open .bash_history in your home with a text editor, or, while you're still remembering it, do 'more .bash_history'. If you remember the command, but you can't recall what options you used with it, 'grep some-command .bash_history' can help. You can set the system to hold more commands, if you want. In debian, the default is to hold the last 500 commands. I don't recall what it is in other distros. Spiral-bound notebook is good, too. A couple of pages of your favorite commands and just about anything else will still be readable if the system crashes. Greg Avedissian On 01/12/2011 03:56 PM, Ken Jones wrote: > > Folks, > > I have always wondered at my ability to keep the myriad of LINUX > instructions in my head. What would I do if I were to start losing > them? Is there a tool to search for recall? > > Is there any way to go backwards in LINUX command land? If I were to > remember that there is a command that will print on standard output the > contents of a file in txt characters, but could not for the life of me > remember 'more'. Where would I go for help (other than sending a email > to this list serve)? All the command dictionaries I have are alphabetic. > > Ken Jones (the elder) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:44:57 -0500 From: James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <AANLkTineh9rsmE0TaHudw2xa6nu6GTWGTO-9jKv27F9R(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If Google and other search commands don't get what you want you could buy a reference book. Or you could create your own cheat sheet. On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > Folks, > > I have? always wondered at my ability to keep the myriad of LINUX > instructions in my head.? What would I do?if I were to start losing them? > Is there a tool to search for recall? > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:52:13 -0500 From: Jorden M <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <AANLkTikB6P0JK-9nUJ9Lws2sVSvC5y2AzXF=bx8ggjjD(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 apropos is equivalent to man -k On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:00 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >>>>>> "Ken" == Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> writes: > > Ken> Folks, > Ken> I have ?always wondered at my ability to keep the myriad of LINUX instructions in my head. ?What would I do if I were to start losing them? ? Is there a tool to search for recall? > > Ken> Is there any way to go backwards in LINUX command land? ?If I > Ken> were to remember that there is a command that will print on > Ken> standard output the contents of a file in txt characters, but > Ken> could not for the life of me remember 'more'. ?Where would I go > Ken> for help (other than sending a email to this list serve)? ?All > Ken> the command dictionaries I have are alphabetic. > > man -k something > > where something is vaguely related to your needs. ?In this case, I > just did 'man -k text' and the last things that popped up were > 'zmore'. ?Plus a bunch of other system calls and library calls about > text handling. > > Maybe pickup one of the linux for beginners books that O'Reilly puts > out? ?Unix in a Nutshell, etc. ?That should help you find commands. > > Also, *any* text editor will let you read a text file, even if you > don't want to edit it. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 21:19:39 -0500 From: Franklin Moody <fmoody(a)moodman.org> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <20110113021937.GB13934(a)fmoody.moodman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 07:24:17PM -0500, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > The up arrow will take you through your command history in reverse order. > If you want to see more than one command at a time, open .bash_history in > your home with a text editor, or, while you're still remembering it, do > 'more .bash_history'. If you remember the command, but you can't recall > what options you used with it, 'grep some-command .bash_history' can help. > > You can set the system to hold more commands, if you want. In debian, the > default is to hold the last 500 commands. I don't recall what it is in > other distros. > > Spiral-bound notebook is good, too. A couple of pages of your favorite > commands and just about anything else will still be readable if the system > crashes. > > Greg Avedissian I usually use "history | grep $blah" when looking for a particular set of command line options... On machines where I don't intentionally disable history for security... Frank ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug End of Wlug Digest, Vol 87, Issue 9 ***********************************

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