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Re: [Wlug] Gentoo
by Jamie Guinan 24 Mar '11

24 Mar '11

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Joshua Demallistre wrote: > I was thinking about giving Gentoo a try. It would be nice for some one in > the group could give me a hand. Another distro to consider is Arch. I haven't used it, but it appears to be similar in spirit to Gentoo. Looking at the beginner's guide, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide it contains a lot of relatively low-level configuration stuff that one would not need to know for a plug-and-play distro. So as a "learning Linux" platform, Arch does looks promising. -Jamie

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Gentoo
by Joshua Demallistre 24 Mar '11

24 Mar '11

I was thinking about giving Gentoo a try. It would be nice for some one in the group could give me a hand. Sent via Android On Mar 23, 2011 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. My Ubuntu Remix CD... (Andy Stewart) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:47:44 -0400 > From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> > Subject: [Wlug] My Ubuntu Remix CD... > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <4D896D60.2040901(a)comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > HI gang, > > I recently remixed an Ubuntu 10.10 CD for the Linux ham radio users (and > there are many!). I am not yet distributing it widely, but I would like > to get a couple of people to try it. It is a Live CD that can also be > installed to the hard drive. > > If you are interested, please download the ISO file from this location: > http://home.comcast.net/~andystewart/linux_intro/ubuntu-remix-5.iso > > My target hardware is an older computer, 256MB of memory, and 1GHz > processor, at a minimum. This started from the Ubuntu 10.10 server > edition. I added icewm and a bunch of programs for amateur radio. One > can see these programs in the "Amateur Radio" menu. > > Even if you are not an amateur radio operator, you might find the > software selection interesting. > > I am mostly concerned about the sound system, which seems to be changing > yet again(!), this time to pulseaudio. An easy program to try is xcwcp > which will simply beep morse code at you. If that works, I expect other > apps will work also. (xcwcp -x /dev/dsp should work, or invoke it from > the menu). > > Also, if you attempt to install it to a hard drive, please do it in a > computer with no valuable data or other operating systems, just in case. > > If you try it, please send me some feedback. > > Thanks! > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) > Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group > Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group > President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 89, Issue 8 > ***********************************

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Re: [Wlug] Gentoo
by Jamie Guinan 23 Mar '11

23 Mar '11

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Eric Martin wrote: > On 03/23/11 12:19, Joshua Demallistre wrote: > > > > I was thinking about giving Gentoo a try. It would be nice for some > > one in the group could give me a hand. > > > What sort of help are you looking for? There used to be a > disproportionately large Gentoo user base in WLUG, although I don't know > how large it is anymore. I use it at home and work and I'd be glad to > help you out. For me, the great thing about Gentoo is the learning > experience; I learned a lot about GNU/Linux by doing my first Gentoo > installs, and I'm still learning. If you haven't already, grab the > install discs and peruse through the install docs. If you have a 64bit > machine, I suggest grabbing the 64bit disc. Maintaining Gentoo x64 > isn't terribly hard, and you can use memory more efficiently. Gentoo user here, too. Although I haven't done a fresh install in quite a while, I just keep updating. What I like best about Gentoo is picking and choosing which packages to include and leave out, both applications and libraries. For example, the other day I wanted to install "gtkpod", but I really don't want to have Mono or QT4 installed on my system, for various reasons. Doing a test install, I can verify that they are left out: # emerge -ptv gtkpod These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N ] app-pda/gtkpod-1.0.0 USE="aac flac mp3 ogg -curl" 1,856 kB [ebuild N ] media-libs/libgpod-0.8.0 USE="gtk iphone python udev -mono -static-libs" 975 kB [nomerge ] media-libs/libgpod-0.8.0 USE="gtk iphone python udev -mono -static-libs" [nomerge ] sys-apps/sg3_utils-1.30 [ebuild N ] sys-apps/rescan-scsi-bus-1.48 21 kB [ebuild N ] sys-apps/sg3_utils-1.30 863 kB [ebuild N ] app-pda/libimobiledevice-1.0.4 USE="python" 404 kB [ebuild N ] app-pda/usbmuxd-1.0.6 57 kB [ebuild N ] app-pda/libplist-1.3 67 kB [ebuild U ] dev-util/cmake-2.8.3-r1 [2.8.0-r2] USE="ncurses -emacs -qt4 -vim-syntax" 5,310 kB ... The USE= "-mono" and "-qt4" flags indicate that the listed packages will be built without that support. Gentoo handles that by passing the necessary options to "configure" when it builds the package, and that is IMO the main point of using a source-based distribution. If you *did* want support for mono, you could edit "/etc/make.conf" (system-wide) or "/etc/portage/package.use" (package-specific), add the "mono" flag (or remove "-mono"), and try again. For better or worse, I think gentoo kind of peaked in popularity several years ago. Related article, http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10047439-16.html?tag=mncol;title But it still meets my needs on several of my computers. And finally, yes, I am aware of "http://funroll-loops.info/", and I don't care. :) -Jamie

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My Ubuntu Remix CD...
by Andy Stewart 23 Mar '11

23 Mar '11

HI gang, I recently remixed an Ubuntu 10.10 CD for the Linux ham radio users (and there are many!). I am not yet distributing it widely, but I would like to get a couple of people to try it. It is a Live CD that can also be installed to the hard drive. If you are interested, please download the ISO file from this location: http://home.comcast.net/~andystewart/linux_intro/ubuntu-remix-5.iso My target hardware is an older computer, 256MB of memory, and 1GHz processor, at a minimum. This started from the Ubuntu 10.10 server edition. I added icewm and a bunch of programs for amateur radio. One can see these programs in the "Amateur Radio" menu. Even if you are not an amateur radio operator, you might find the software selection interesting. I am mostly concerned about the sound system, which seems to be changing yet again(!), this time to pulseaudio. An easy program to try is xcwcp which will simply beep morse code at you. If that works, I expect other apps will work also. (xcwcp -x /dev/dsp should work, or invoke it from the menu). Also, if you attempt to install it to a hard drive, please do it in a computer with no valuable data or other operating systems, just in case. If you try it, please send me some feedback. Thanks! Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

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Northeast Linuxfest April 2, 2011
by Chuck Anderson 22 Mar '11

22 Mar '11

Come join me at the Northeast Linuxfest! Saturday, April 2, 10:30 a.m. - 3:00 p.m. FREE registration (optional $30 donation) at http://northeastlinuxfest.org/ Worcester State University Student Center 486 Chandler St. Worcester MA 01602 I've forwarded more details from the BLU list below. ----- Forwarded message from b p <bruce84(a)yahoo.com> ----- From: b p <bruce84(a)yahoo.com> To: discuss(a)blu.org Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 19:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Northeast Linuxfest April 2, 2011 Hey guys - I haven't seen this posted yet so I'm sorry if it has on another list. The Northeast Linuxfest is just around the corner, the event will be held in Worcester MA. We hope you can make it! Jonathan Nadeau of Frostbite systems and he has posted his speakers list for the Northeast Linuxfest. He's got John Maddog Hall! Now you really have no reason not to go! Here is the list of speakers below: 11am Roberto C. Sanchez "Getting Stuff Packaged for Debian." 12pm Jarod Wilson "Intro to GNU/Linux Home Theater PCs" 1pm Jon “Maddog” Hall "GNU/Linux in Education, Government and Business." 2pm Matt Lee "Why Software Should Be Free." So, now that we're two weeks away, I hope to see you all there! Hurry because attendance is filling fast! Details can be found at Northeast Linuxfest - http://northeastlinuxfest.org/ ----- Forwarded message from b p <bruce84(a)yahoo.com> ----- From: b p <bruce84(a)yahoo.com> To: Tom Metro <tmetro-blu(a)vl.com> Cc: discuss(a)blu.org Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 05:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Northeast Linuxfest April 2, 2011 Good morning all, I should have clarified some of the murkier statements made, I apologize for that. Tom, what I put up was the complete schedule of speakers and you are correct the event is FREE. The $30 is optional, this is to help cover costs for the student center space. Red Hat has graciously agreed to sponsor the event. The purpose of this event is to gather linux users for a one day event, mostly to discuss all things linux/unix and to meet other users throughout the area. This is the inaugural event, so based on attendance this year there are plans to hopefully expand the event much like SCALE or any of the other community driven events. As for who Jonathan of Frostbite systems is, his company sells computers with linux installed. He gives a percentage back to the distro that is ordered on the machines. His main focus is selling machines for the blind or visually impaired, which he himself is. He is also the podcaster for both Fedora weekly and Debian. He resides in Worcester MA and of course for more about his company you can checkout - http://www.frostbitesystems.com/ This is not meant as a selling point for the event. He is merely setting this up because he felt there was a need and interest for such an event. Lastly, I don't have a list of exhibitors but I do know the folks at Hacker Public Radio will have a table there. I hope I've addressed all questions. Again sorry for the confusion, I should have proof read the original before sending out. Take care, Bp ----- End forwarded message -----

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2D CAD for Linux
by Richard Klein 15 Mar '11

15 Mar '11

I just read that DraftSight 2D CAD software is now available for Linux: http://www.3ds.com/products/draftsight/free-cad-software/ I use it all the time in Windows. It works, and the price is right. -- Rich

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Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 89, Issue 5
by David Hardy 15 Mar '11

15 Mar '11

Hi, Pete; I was posting from my MIL's place at Shelburne-On-The-Bay, just south of Burlington and just off Route 7. We were house-sitting for her while she's snowbirding in Florida. The Bay opens up into Lake Champlain, which right now has a bit of ice near the shores and is otherwise open water, thanks to the moderate temps this week. We actually live in a 205-year-old farmhouse in West Montpelier. With two dogs and four cats, and two each, Windows and Linux boxes. My Windows 7 box has some VMS emulation sw on it for old lang syne, seeing as how that was my early experience in IT for years. Last worked with OpenVMS 7.1 four years ago. You're at Clark U.? Wow. I worked there in campus police from 1980-83, then the campus bookstore, where I sold DEC Rainbows in cooperation with DEC to students, faculty and staff, and then when they sold it out to Barnes and Noble, I went back to campus police for another eighteen months, finally leaving in '86 to go work out at Simplex Time Recorder, in Gardner, with a PDP-11 running RSX for CAD/CAM apps and a MicroVax running VMS 4.0. I first learned VMS down in the basement of the Goddard Library while I worked the dead shifts for the CPD, reading those old orange binder manuals. Several of the campus police are still there, including the chief, who started there as a patrolman, and of course some of the faculty are still teaching. Jack Foley was working as an assistant manager at one of the dining halls when I started there in 1980. I stopped by to visit in '06 and also applied for an IT job there, as I believe they still had VMS, plus the usual Windows, and also Red Hat. Never heard from them. Par for the job search for many years now. Also applied for IT gigs at WPI and never heard from them, either. So I am back in northern Vermont and after being bounced from a one-year temp contract nine months early, am on the job hunt again. So much fun. Regards, Dave On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: KO (Pete Wason) > 2. Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 10 (Pete Wason) > 3. Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 10 (Pete Wason) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:38:08 -0400 > From: Pete Wason <codevark(a)aim.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] KO > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <4D7EA6E0.5090805(a)aim.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I worked with a guy in the late '90s at a dotcom; at some point before > that he managed a huge team at DEC and was friends with KO, played golf > and such. Had great things to say about the man. > > On 2/12/2011 9:56 AM, kevin.paetzold wrote: > > Since we are reminiscing about DEC and KO.... > > > > I started at DEC in 1978 working on the DECSYSTEM20. My first manager > > was one of the first 100 DEC employees and even though I was initially > > working as a contractor for DEC (on an air force base) in Rome NY we > > made a trip to Maynard where he introduced me to the mill and to Ken > > Olsen. It was a fascinating time as I worked at the place which > > essentially funded the ARPANET and TCP/IP. I went to work in DEC > > engineering in Marlboro in 1981. Eventually I ended up at Stratus where > > among other things I now manage the Linux group (I never worked on VMS > > although I did do some stuff with the Ultrix group). It still amazes me > > (and many others) that DEC went away. I often tell my engineers that > > when I see some computer or software technology that DEC did not have I > > will let them know (there is some but not much that DEC did not have > > first and for which very little credit is given). > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNfqbgAAoJEBARJW02o9tw44oH/2Tn2xUeai1p/UExIQtI8zUc > A8FGBBfpOBjteWaTKiRYNDdYhLNeI2v/DDyhtqJO+8DlKDLesFlDgEDShLXqlCZ3 > ege8GM49O5ZfCjA8Ta82J1DUtK7AhvPL6/D4py/gboENX//JGGCUqPGcxSWo0dCl > sxe/MTeS36JstyStQlVfHLtvuaQIdZalLaqn/ywuVeBROHOCo23UNEQBRQ77BgFG > fJuChOT6cQe2Ht0g2kDZEPYd2pxqDjXprr5M7RYlcyxMNu58QusokGjyK0+ezL3M > 5QVeySsAMegCvehLPHdhnMfQkAdUwmwg6zeTLq8ZTzAIxIsrBJ9/8UZ+7AUbAZs= > =LmGf > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:41:37 -0400 > From: Pete Wason <codevark(a)aim.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 10 > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <4D7EA7B1.5040502(a)aim.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, Dave - > > Just curious, where on Lake Champlain? I currently work at Clark U., and > lived in Burlington for about 6 years during the early to mid '80s. It's > my favorite city east of the Mississippi. > > Pete > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNfqexAAoJEBARJW02o9tw2zgH/08yRIIxybhN12On9ptOtxnE > NpzMQHSDsMDL2c22WwRdQxPPCPdA6I0OW594Gswg7vpbh6WOYtO2eXHBHf0rCjps > Lwc8dCVQGGnQn11nJ9FFEUmALIXxvXsfxYzvCcHNV7zM057D47rJEf9guZcZUNXj > yxMfLgHLW5nvP5f9JodvogNRO/Do5nUXYn1znWhq31Wyu/Afg3P85/DrO/QY0j9S > ZomjIiTNzRXKgZc5wBsfm+FEC5AvClSROhdQ0grQ5XSRkX5QzAr1/Gs+s/x8uKGX > gNQ43ZwnY9epsfvnbEokLi9X8ZKvKa5ye+2XOqT1I757zBWGHuSoIrNW3wKvV6w= > =BlEg > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 00:06:03 -0400 > From: Pete Wason <codevark(a)aim.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 10 > To: codevark(a)aim.com, Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <4D7EE5AB.3010302(a)aim.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > heh that was weird. specifically chose reply to sender not list.. oh well > :) > > On 3/14/2011 7:41 PM, Pete Wason wrote: > > Hi, Dave - > > > > Just curious, where on Lake Champlain? I currently work at Clark U., and > > lived in Burlington for about 6 years during the early to mid '80s. It's > > my favorite city east of the Mississippi. > > > > Pete > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNfuWrAAoJEBARJW02o9tw8SMH/3k85Pzwp/GwAKQ9qndOljvZ > j0jgHwy1Wnd0Uyl7GDGeHYwIqqf4k8l7aegZTzMsfWAQMheMlO1OYNw+fwJCarGA > eFkShc1BjXyz4bY2WiSWl1M4noyJr4FHMwYBRDgXT6HtI6SnphvzFgC8ofhiLqFE > yJWLLlSwJnHtBP+AJNBLF+DNc+Ev3FZatY5PAP5xojnb57g8Nr9fDJGzwb1PZzrm > PaHSwA0kxY2ajDX0aoQy5R8okuu3/HR9U++QKPNmMlM4aX1YpIQ8Q6CWNqC6vAB9 > kxTGEj3Skvki5/VBLu9mvZvrQOkA33/oj0keKWjCyRCD5Jk/9N6NrSkAdo/zHww= > =fp1Z > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 89, Issue 5 > *********************************** >

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Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 10
by David Hardy 15 Mar '11

15 Mar '11

I met KO once in Maynard at the Old Mill and got to see his original orange-crate desk that he shared with Gordon Bell. Nice guy and down-to-earth. First fulltime techie gig I had was at Simplex Time Recorder, Gardner, MA, operator for DEC PDP-11 running RSX CAD/CAM stuff, and a MicroVax running VMS 3.5 for the software engineers. 1986. Previously, as an assistant bookstore manager at Clark U., I'd been in charge of selling the DEC Rainbow PCs as part of the University's program for students, faculty and staff. 1984-85. Last time I worked on DEC stuff was the VAX/VMS 7000 and the Alpha OpenVMS boxen running 7.1 at an outfit in downtown Woostuh. 2006-07. >From what I've heard inside the old DEC social circles is that a lot of the VMS engineering that didn't migrate to HP went to India, and that many of the old VMS guys have long since moved on to...drum roll....Linux. In other old DEC scuttlebutt, there was supposed to be an open field somewhere off Route 12 in Leominster that contained all kinds of hw dumped/stored there by whatever DEC facility back in the day. During my own time at DEC in 87-89 one of our operators told us he'd gotten all kinds of stuff from there and was now storing it in his front yard in Sterling. Regards from the shores of Lake Champlain in winter, Dave Hardy > 2. nice remembrances: Ken Olsen, DEC, ..... (Doug Mildram) > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 12:35:39 -0500 > From: Doug Mildram <dmildram(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [Wlug] nice remembrances: Ken Olsen, DEC, ..... > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: > <AANLkTinCQXAHYjbuzRC+7YH9wZvVAoeokGCZoRiMDre3(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > A nice article from Jon Hall is on top of the blog > > > http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/Paw-Prints-Writings-of-the-mad… > > along with many other replies about PDP-* systems, VMS, etc. > > My first HIGHtech job (1985) was hanging tapes and keeping dumb terminals > alive and connected to four > VAX 750/780's running (not VMS but) BSD4 unix (before NFS, before NIS) > for a robotics shop in Billerica called Automatix. csh% a.out > hello, world ! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20110209/aeb596ff/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 10 > ************************************ >

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KO
by kevin.paetzold 14 Mar '11

14 Mar '11

Since we are reminiscing about DEC and KO.... I started at DEC in 1978 working on the DECSYSTEM20. My first manager was one of the first 100 DEC employees and even though I was initially working as a contractor for DEC (on an air force base) in Rome NY we made a trip to Maynard where he introduced me to the mill and to Ken Olsen. It was a fascinating time as I worked at the place which essentially funded the ARPANET and TCP/IP. I went to work in DEC engineering in Marlboro in 1981. Eventually I ended up at Stratus where among other things I now manage the Linux group (I never worked on VMS although I did do some stuff with the Ultrix group). It still amazes me (and many others) that DEC went away. I often tell my engineers that when I see some computer or software technology that DEC did not have I will let them know (there is some but not much that DEC did not have first and for which very little credit is given).

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Anyone familiar with XenServer 5.0?
by Pete Wason 14 Mar '11

14 Mar '11

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm mucking about with three vhosts and one refuses to connect to the iSCSI SR the other two can see fine. Have tried a number of things, still no progress.. Pete -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNfYmMAAoJEBARJW02o9tw9r8H/j7759HRudUsvem3sW55U+7e jJ7D0nFTKEx2JsBKqabrODWIGb+uKgZT8Lk+BXYYIgXDPUWmFa/uf5dAzk9U48xC ubiNcLFpPZhdcj9eym9N3UEh7x4m8HjvhmMU09946KpLBy8ak5ebEo8vqw0Jxv8R CziiekfonMMmiFGeQKB17qll+a0u5U+yrknt2gw4RooVYQeOBvQE7lVBK1FOoa0f 0dul4ZHO5hQrUw2Plx4TwL1BhdGV4U+yHDUv86jayZsFEniaZFtoQXkuvRTMlXws 7E+pYDKGyH37kPJewUhWV3GmHtX502wt2gOGR1U0XsbsO7wCnEECDxopbrbWRhw= =fV/D -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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WLUG Meeting Tomorrow (3/9) Virtualization Technologies!
by Tim Keller 08 Mar '11

08 Mar '11

Hey Everybody, Remember, We've got a WLUG meeting tomorrow! I'm going to be giving a talk about virtualization technologies at 7PM. The meeting is going to be in the meeting room next to Morgan Hall (Look for the penguins!) Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Reminder: WLUG Meeting Next Wed (3/9) Topic: Virtualization Technologies
by Tim Keller 02 Mar '11

02 Mar '11

Hey Everybody, This is a reminder that next Wednesday I'm going to be giving a talk about virtualization technologies. I plan to do some white boarding, slides and a demo of different virtualization products currently on the market (both closed and open source). If anybody has specific questions or specific things they'd like to me to cover let me know and I'll update/expand my slides and notes to cover it. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Remembering KO
by Ken Jones 13 Feb '11

13 Feb '11

I shall reveal my age. I was a working AN/FSQ7 programmer in Group 67 at Lincoln Labs when KO took off on his crazy venture to that mill in Maynard. I did not know Ken at the time as he was in Group 64 if my memory serves me correctly. DEC's first products were 'logic boards'. Those were the days of 'wire wrap' breadboarding. Ken's cards built with itty bitty new fangled transistor things slipped securely into a standard wire wrap board. I do not remember any specific cards, but I know they consisted of multiple individual NAND and NOR gates and probably a couple of FLIP FLOPs. >From that came the PDP-1 which I never saw. My memory focuses on the PDP-8 which was popular - so to speak. To put this in perspective the US had just deployed the SAGE air defense computers all around the country to detect and intercept Russian atomic bomb carrying jet airplanes. The SAGE computers used water cooled vacuum tube technology. I suggest, if you can find a library (remember them?), that is open check out "DEC is Dead, Long LIve DEC" The Lasting Legacy of Digital Equipment Corporation by Edgar Schein. (Is it available on NOOK?). My read of that book was that DEC was fine and healthy so long as it's engineers were producing products the customers did not know they needed, ie DEC was never consumer driven. (This is part of why KO was so beloved.) I was a TCP/IP aware person when I went to work for DEC in 1985. Inside those DEC walls DECnet was not only everything, it was the only thing. Ken Jones

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Off topic: good iPod Touch 4th Gen repairers?
by John Stoffel 10 Feb '11

10 Feb '11

Guys, Got a 4th gen iPod Touch with a busted glass cover. Anyone know of a reliable and cost effective place to do the repair? Thanks, John --

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nice remembrances: Ken Olsen, DEC, .....
by Doug Mildram 09 Feb '11

09 Feb '11

A nice article from Jon Hall is on top of the blog http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/Paw-Prints-Writings-of-the-mad… along with many other replies about PDP-* systems, VMS, etc. My first HIGHtech job (1985) was hanging tapes and keeping dumb terminals alive and connected to four VAX 750/780's running (not VMS but) BSD4 unix (before NFS, before NIS) for a robotics shop in Billerica called Automatix. csh% a.out hello, world !

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WLUG meeting tonight, 7pm
by Chuck Anderson 09 Feb '11

09 Feb '11

Hi folks, Our next WLUG meeting is tonight at 7:00 PM at the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. The meeting room is in WPI's Morgan Hall (building 'H' on the campus map [1]), down the hallway to the right of the dining hall entrance. [1] http://www.wpi.edu/Images/CMS/WPI/walkingmap.pdf Chuck President, Worcester Linux Users' Group

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Jon "Maddog" Hall speaking at Northeast GNU/Linux fest, Worcester
by Chuck Anderson 08 Feb '11

08 Feb '11

Northeast GNU/Linux Fest Details Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011 Time: 10:30 a.m. - 3:00 p.m. Location: Worcester State University Student Center 486 Chandler St. Worcester MA 01602 ----- Forwarded message from Jonathan Nadeau <northeastlinux(a)gmail.com> ----- From: Jonathan Nadeau <northeastlinux(a)gmail.com> To: cra(a)WPI.EDU Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 09:15:08 -0500 Subject: Northeast GNU/Linux fest Greetings, My name is Jonathan Nadeau and I'm coordinator of the Northeast GNU/Linux fest (http://www.northeastlinuxfest.org) which will be held in Worcester, MA on April 2, 2011. I was given your contact info by Jon Maddog Hall (who will be speaking at the event), and I'm writing to you to see if you would be willing to attend, and if you would please announce this to the people in your group. Thanks for your time and help. Jonathan ----- End forwarded message -----

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Linux User Group Survey
by Dafydd Crosby 07 Feb '11

07 Feb '11

Hello, I've made a survey for Linux User Group members across North America. I would like to get the pulse of different groups and see what's working so that all LUG's can improve the experience. This data will be published on http://clug.ca (the Calgary Linux User Group website) on August, 2011. The survey is only 12 questions, and shouldn't take more than 5 minutes to complete. http://www.lonesomecosmonaut.com/limesurvey/index.php?sid=94921&newtest=Y&l… Thank you for your participation! -Dafydd President of Calgary Linux User Group

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Computer Recycling - Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 6
by Steven Greenberg 05 Feb '11

05 Feb '11

Just before moving from the Portland, Oregon area back to Massachusetts, I did have the proverbial closet of old computer equipment. Portland had a place that you could bring this equipment to for recycling. They charged a small fee to take the equipment off your hands with the commitment that they would refurbish it or otherwise recycle it. Of course Portland had such a strong green ethos that a business like this could flourish there. I figured I did my part for the environment and saved the cost of moving the dead weight across country and storing it in a closet here. /Steve On 2/5/2011 12:00 PM, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Business idea (joel d) > 2. Re: Business idea (soup) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: http://www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

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Re: [Wlug] Business idea
by joel d 05 Feb '11

05 Feb '11

On 2/3/2011 11:30 AM, Keith Wright wrote: >> From: Jason Couture<plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> >> >> I was considering reviving my PC business by selling >> computers with linux preinstalled. Does anyone have >> any distro suggestions aside from Ubuntu and mint? Do >> any of you know anyone who may be interested? > Well, good luck with that (sincerely). > > I had that idea about twelve years ago. > > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/ > > As it worked out, I was fronting thousands > of dollars for parts and working for a day > to put it all together for a profit of a > few dollars. You can't ask much money for > doing a simple thing that the people smart > and knowledgable enough to want can do for > themselves. > > I decided to give it up when one company > that bought about $3000 worth of computer > decided to return it. That was my main > computer for several years, but if I had > designed it myself I would have built > something a bit cheaper. I sure didn't > need another one. > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > I have also been trying out the numbers on such a venture and have come to the same conclusion (as Keith). If you can come up with a special niche market, like a car/boat/RV computer or a DVR/HDTV computer for a particular market that has some kind of Television access problem, then you may find a way to profit. It is very hard to go up against the low-end and sale machines at the stores. If you are a great seller, you may be able to talk your way into some customers. In Florida, there are a couple of small companies doing neighborhood wifi internet access for a great price, but even they depend more on the internet charges and the computer service calls than on system sales. Service and training seems like the most profitable part of the picture to me. Still, I hope you find a way to do this. I hope I don't sound too negative. I'm just a regular guy without any strict training or a business degree, so I'm certainly not the last word on the subject. DaveC -- David P. Connell "Watch where you're going; remember where you've been." Hey, Sorry for not chiming in sooner. I remember while working on my MBA trying to work out how to run a small for profit local PC and support business aimed at home consumers and an occasional small business. The short answer at the time was the advent of the "shiny new $450 PC" made computers toaster-ish (breaks - put in basement/closet - buy another). In the ensuing decade plus since I have confirmed two things IMHO: 1) The price of entry level PCs are going even lower. I haven't looked but I bet there are refurbs out there for $200-ish. This fact makes it harder for a consumer to pay even $25 for someone to work on their (likely 2 to 6 years old on average) PC whether in a shop or in the home. The business person's reasoning is "good money after bad". Not sure why home consumers do this, but they do. 2) Most non-IT geeks have a small closet/basement pile of PCs somewhere in their house if they haven't moved within the decade. Moving of course drives people into momentary sanity with "Why am I keeping / saving / moving all this useless junk?" Geeks of course re-use them as personal firewalls / coffee warmers / Myth boxes / ways to communicate with aliens / ... App won't install... Printer cable won't connect... Adware and viruses got you slugging along... Bad device driver killing your uptime... Your 18 long hair cats packing the case with a fur effigy with expected heat & reboot issues... Consumers answer to all is: "Buy a new PC!" Ask around to non-geek friends/co-workers. You will be amazed. A family friend is on their 4th brand new computer in 3 years. I assure you the scope of work has not changed (web browsing, e-mail, facebook, etc). I am now wondering how do you get these closet PCs for cheap/free then image them to get them useful again. Obvious start is to get referrals from moving companies that quote household moves, then call offering to remove their unused PC's for free. Somewhere there must be a support group for home consumers who have their own Dell rep on speed dial. I am not bashing Dell here, merely using their name in the examples to make a point, Joel

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Business idea
by Jason Couture 03 Feb '11

03 Feb '11

I was considering reviving my PC business by selling computers with linux preinstalled. Does anyone have any distro suggestions aside from Ubuntu and mint? Do any of you know anyone who may be interested?

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Kernel Crash dump
by Andy Stewart 03 Feb '11

03 Feb '11

HI guys, I finally got some type of crash dump from my system. I have tried Ubuntu variations of the 2.6.35, 2.6.36, and 2.6.37 kernels, all of which have crashed on me. Finally, 2.6.37 gave me a trace on the console screen. I had to copy it down by hand, so don't take it too literally. Here is the data. I intentionally left out all of the hex addresses in the call trace. It seems pretty obvious to me that something is amiss in the hardware. I wonder if my heat syncs are full of dust. That will be the first thing I check. Any helpful advice would be most appreciated. Thanks! Andy ======= Hardware error CPU0 Machine Check Exception: 4 Bank 4 2f00001000010c0f TSC 1ae6ab55d12 Processor 2 f5a time 1296699696 socket 0 apic 0 mc4_status uncorrected error, other errors lost: yes cpu context corrupt: yes Northbridge error, node 0, crc error detected on HT link Transaction GEN (GEN), no timeout, Cache level L3/Gen, Participating processor:OBS Machine check: processor context corrupt Kernel Panic - not syncing: Fatal Machine check on current CPU Pid 0, comm: swapper Tainted: G M 2.6.37-020637-generic Call Trace: #MC panic printk mce_panic do_machine_check machine_check native_safe_halt EOE default_idle cpu_idle rest_init start_kernel early_idt_handler x86_64_start_reservations x86_64_start_kernel panic occurred, switching back to text console ======= -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

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Re: [Wlug] Kernel Crash dump
by Jason Couture 03 Feb '11

03 Feb '11

Try leaving the mem test running for a while, see if it will do it with that running. Could have just been the dust too lol. On Feb 2, 2011 11:14 PM, "Andy Stewart" <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: On 02/02/2011 10:25 PM, Jason Couture wrote: > I'd run memtest86 plus, the memory controller can cau... Well, I cleaned out a bunch of dust...maybe a heat problem caused some weirdness. I'm also running memtester on the live system...so far, so good. The machine is about 5 yrs old - maybe this is my excuse to build myself another one. The crash is weird, sometimes it crashes within a couple of minutes of booting the system, and other times, it takes a week. I still claim that it started happening when I upgraded from SuSE 10.1 to Kubuntu 10.10, but I did open the case and install a new SATA hard drive at that time as well. This machine was an absolute rock when running SuSE 10.1. We'll see what happens...thanks, everybody, for the helpful suggestions. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetu... Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 2
by Caobin zhu 02 Feb '11

02 Feb '11

Hi, eric, i am interested in your #2 item, the SCSI pc. i am living in worcester, how can i go forwared to get it if it is still available. Thanks. caobin > From: wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 2 > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:39:34 -0500 > > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Winter cleaning (Eric Martin) > 2. Re: Winter cleaning (Eric Martin) > 3. Re: Winter cleaning (Eric Martin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:38:33 -0500 > From: Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <AANLkTimwvJM6LpGR_0fTxsjxpX5P2v8cXSUYTd1_XE3F(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Will do. > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Henrique <nican(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > > Hello Eric, > > > > I have interest in the OpenGL book. Could you bring it to the next Wlug > > meeting? > > > > Henrique Polido. > > > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > > >> I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs. > >> It's all free, please take it if you can use it. > >> > >> Computers: > >> > >> Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly > >> > >> > >> 1. 2 CRTs (working) > >> 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive > >> 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan > >> / power supply > >> 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors > >> 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB > >> 6. More to come > >> > >> Books: > >> Interactive Computer Graphics > >> > >> http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03… > >> > >> Fluency with Information Technology > >> > >> http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/… > >> > >> Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using > >> OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…> > >> > >> Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using > >> OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books > >> C Pocket Reference > >> > >> http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1… > >> -- > >> Eric Martin > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wlug mailing list > >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > -- > Eric Martin > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20110202/4cf94edd/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:39:10 -0500 > From: Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <AANLkTimMJsfDQTigL4F5G8a-1O_1N2odUET3onEO6fh2(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have a 300W 20PIN if you want, It's currently in a case and you're welcome > to both > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > > I have a computer that needs a power supply, could you email me directly if > > you have a spare? > > > > Sent from my android wireless device. > > > > On Feb 2, 2011 1:37 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs. > > It's all free, please take it if you can use it. > > > > Computers: > > > > Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly > > > > > > 1. 2 CRTs (working) > > 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive > > 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan / > > power supply > > 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors > > 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB > > 6. More to come > > > > Books: > > Interactive Computer Graphics > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03… > > > > Fluency with Information Technology > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/… > > > > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL > > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…> > > > > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL > > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books > > C Pocket Reference > > > > http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1… > > -- > > Eric Martin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > -- > Eric Martin > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20110202/24df222f/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:39:31 -0500 > From: Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <AANLkTi=OJ5QVYt=Bk4AqtHtv280pyVgFgiv_tSpwC+aQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Sorry, that went already > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > > I could use the 1U too for my distcc compile farm, but only if no one else > > wants it. > > > > On Feb 2, 2011 1:37 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs. > > It's all free, please take it if you can use it. > > > > Computers: > > > > Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly > > > > > > 1. 2 CRTs (working) > > 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive > > 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan / > > power supply > > 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors > > 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB > > 6. More to come > > > > Books: > > Interactive Computer Graphics > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03… > > > > Fluency with Information Technology > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/… > > > > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL > > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…> > > > > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL > > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books > > C Pocket Reference > > > > http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1… > > -- > > Eric Martin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > -- > Eric Martin > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20110202/cbc9979f/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 2 > ***********************************

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Winter cleaning
by Eric Martin 02 Feb '11

02 Feb '11

I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs. It's all free, please take it if you can use it. Computers: Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly 1. 2 CRTs (working) 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan / power supply 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB 6. More to come Books: Interactive Computer Graphics http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03… Fluency with Information Technology http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/… Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…> Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books C Pocket Reference http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1… -- Eric Martin

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