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Re: [Wlug] Linker error: DSO missing from command line
by John Stoffel July 18, 2016

July 18, 2016

>>>>> "Andy" == Andy Stewart <kb1oiq(a)mval.net> writes: Andy> On 07/16/2016 04:48 PM, John Stoffel wrote: >> John> So what if you just putt the following into the src/Makefile.am file: >> John> AM_LDFLAGS = \ John> -lm >> >> John> I put it after the AM_CPPFLAGS definition up top. Seemed to do what I John> needed, but I haven't setup an Ubuntu 16.04 test VM yet to confirm. >> >> So I spun up a droplet on Digital Oceon running Ubuntu 16.04 and with >> the above change, and the following steps, I got it to compile.... >> >> >> # apt-get update >> # apt-get install gcc libhamlib-dev make libgtk-dev libgtkextra-dev libglib2.0-dev libgtk2.0-dev >> # wget http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/xlog/xlog-2.0.14beta.tar.gz >> # tar xzf xlog-2.0.14beta.tar.gz >> # cd xlog-2.0.14beta/ >> # vi src/Makefile.am >> >> - added in AM_LDFLAGS = -lm >> >> # ./configure >> # make >> >> and it did it. I'd like to say I'm really impressed at how there are >> NO compile warnings at all. Nice clean coding! >> >> But if you could get more detailed error messages from those reporting >> problems compiling, that would be a big help as well. >> >> Thanks, >> John Andy> HI John, Andy> When I took over this code base, I attacked the compile Andy> warnings. I recall also passing a switch that says "warnings Andy> are errors", in order to keep the code clean. I like that standard! Andy> Regargind "AM_LDFLAGS -lm", I'd swear I did that and it didn't work for Andy> me, so I tried again. Andy> After adding AM_LDFLAGS to Makefile.am, I assume you ran Andy> automake or perhaps "automake -a". Umm... I think I just did that the first time, then I blew it all away (xlog that is) and re-extracted it, modified the src/Makefile.am file and did the build. Andy> I tried it on my Ubuntu 16.04 and it did not work. It seems Andy> like your solution is the right one. Let me try blowing away my Andy> Ubuntu 16.04 in Virtualbox, in case something was corrupted, and Andy> I'll repeat the steps you listed above on a pristine Ubuntu Andy> 16.04. Post the errors and/or compile log so we can look at this. I don't think you need to blow away your Ubuntu VM at all, just do a fresh from scratch extract and patch of xlog instead.

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Re: [Wlug] Linker error: DSO missing from command line
by Andy Stewart July 17, 2016

July 17, 2016

On 07/16/2016 04:48 PM, John Stoffel wrote: > > John> So what if you just putt the following into the src/Makefile.am file: > > John> AM_LDFLAGS = \ > John> -lm > > > John> I put it after the AM_CPPFLAGS definition up top. Seemed to do what I > John> needed, but I haven't setup an Ubuntu 16.04 test VM yet to confirm. > > So I spun up a droplet on Digital Oceon running Ubuntu 16.04 and with > the above change, and the following steps, I got it to compile.... > > > # apt-get update > # apt-get install gcc libhamlib-dev make libgtk-dev libgtkextra-dev libglib2.0-dev libgtk2.0-dev > # wget http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/xlog/xlog-2.0.14beta.tar.gz > # tar xzf xlog-2.0.14beta.tar.gz > # cd xlog-2.0.14beta/ > # vi src/Makefile.am > > - added in AM_LDFLAGS = -lm > > # ./configure > # make > > and it did it. I'd like to say I'm really impressed at how there are > NO compile warnings at all. Nice clean coding! > > But if you could get more detailed error messages from those reporting > problems compiling, that would be a big help as well. > > Thanks, > John HI John, When I took over this code base, I attacked the compile warnings. I recall also passing a switch that says "warnings are errors", in order to keep the code clean. Regargind "AM_LDFLAGS -lm", I'd swear I did that and it didn't work for me, so I tried again. After adding AM_LDFLAGS to Makefile.am, I assume you ran automake or perhaps "automake -a". I tried it on my Ubuntu 16.04 and it did not work. It seems like your solution is the right one. Let me try blowing away my Ubuntu 16.04 in Virtualbox, in case something was corrupted, and I'll repeat the steps you listed above on a pristine Ubuntu 16.04. I'll let you know my result. Thanks!! Andy > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

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Re: [Wlug] Linker error: DSO missing from command line
by John Stoffel July 16, 2016

July 16, 2016

John> So what if you just putt the following into the src/Makefile.am file: John> AM_LDFLAGS = \ John> -lm John> I put it after the AM_CPPFLAGS definition up top. Seemed to do what I John> needed, but I haven't setup an Ubuntu 16.04 test VM yet to confirm. So I spun up a droplet on Digital Oceon running Ubuntu 16.04 and with the above change, and the following steps, I got it to compile.... # apt-get update # apt-get install gcc libhamlib-dev make libgtk-dev libgtkextra-dev libglib2.0-dev libgtk2.0-dev # wget http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/xlog/xlog-2.0.14beta.tar.gz # tar xzf xlog-2.0.14beta.tar.gz # cd xlog-2.0.14beta/ # vi src/Makefile.am - added in AM_LDFLAGS = -lm # ./configure # make and it did it. I'd like to say I'm really impressed at how there are NO compile warnings at all. Nice clean coding! But if you could get more detailed error messages from those reporting problems compiling, that would be a big help as well. Thanks, John

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Re: [Wlug] Linker error: DSO missing from command line
by John Stoffel July 16, 2016

July 16, 2016

Andy, So what if you just putt the following into the src/Makefile.am file: AM_LDFLAGS = \ -lm I put it after the AM_CPPFLAGS definition up top. Seemed to do what I needed, but I haven't setup an Ubuntu 16.04 test VM yet to confirm. John

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Re: [Wlug] Linker error: DSO missing from command line
by John Stoffel July 16, 2016

July 16, 2016

>>>>> "Andy" == Andy Stewart <kb1oiq(a)mval.net> writes: Andy> On 07/15/2016 10:44 AM, John Stoffel wrote: >> >> Do you have git repository with this available so I can try playing >> with it at as well? I spent some time on getting autoconf working >> with duc (http://github.com/zevv/duc) so I might be able to help. >> >> John Andy> I don't have a git repository, but one can download the source Andy> tarball: Andy> http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/xlog/xlog-2.0.14beta.tar.gz Ok, I've pulled it down and started to play with it. We'll see how far I get. :-) Busy with a bunch of stuff today and tomorrow, so it might be a few days...

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Re: [Wlug] Linker error: DSO missing from command line
by Andy Stewart July 15, 2016

July 15, 2016

On 07/15/2016 10:44 AM, John Stoffel wrote: > > Do you have git repository with this available so I can try playing > with it at as well? I spent some time on getting autoconf working > with duc (http://github.com/zevv/duc) so I might be able to help. > > John Hi John, I don't have a git repository, but one can download the source tarball: http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/xlog/xlog-2.0.14beta.tar.gz Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

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Re: [Wlug] Linker error: DSO missing from command line
by John Stoffel July 15, 2016

July 15, 2016

>>>>> "Andy" == Andy Stewart <kb1oiq(a)mval.net> writes: Andy> I have received a few reports indicating that xlog will not Andy> compile without error from the source tarball. Since I'm the Andy> xlog maintainer, I get to fix it, but so far, I've been Andy> unsuccessful. Andy> The error looks like this, and I've easily reproduced it on Ubuntu 16.04 Andy> LTS: Andy> /usr/bin/ld: gui_gtkprintdialog.o: undefined reference to symbol Andy> 'trunc@@GLIBC_2.2.5' Andy> //lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6: error adding symbols: DSO missing from Andy> command line Andy> I've traced this to recently modified behavior of gcc, where all Andy> libraries needed to properly link the executable must be Andy> included on the command line. In this case, "-lm" is not Andy> explicitly on the command line, and thus the error. Interesting. Have you been running 'autoreconf -force' after each time you make a change, esp in the .ac and .am files? I've found that sometimes it doesn't quite do what I expect. Andy> I have succeeded in making it work in this way, but it is just a workaround: Andy> ./configure LIBS="-lm" Andy> make Andy> make install Andy> It seems that automake 1.15 is needed to help get around this issue, and Andy> that version is part of Ubuntu 16.04. Andy> However, I'm stuck, trying to figure out the "right way" to fix this. Andy> I've googled for a couple of hours, trying to figure out what needs to Andy> go into configure.ac and/or Makefile.am, to no avail. Andy> I tried this in configure.ac: LT_LIB_M Andy> (nope) Andy> I tried this in Makefile.am: LIBS=-lm Andy> (nope) Andy> I also tried this in Makefile.am: LDFLAGS = -lm Andy> (nope) Andy> In each case, I reran autoconf, automake, and then ./configure, but the Andy> linker error persists. Andy> I must be missing something easy. Any helpful hints would surely be Andy> appreciated. Do you have git repository with this available so I can try playing with it at as well? I spent some time on getting autoconf working with duc (http://github.com/zevv/duc) so I might be able to help. John

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HT Receiver
by Gary Hanley July 15, 2016

July 15, 2016

Hello folks, I hope I'm not breaking protocol for posting this but I'm replacing my home theater receiver and looking to sell my current unit so I thought I would offer it here. I think it's a good deal for anyone who doesn't need the very latest HT specs. I bought it new for $1100 when it was first made available about three years plus ago and it works as good as the day it was purchased. It's a Yamaha RX-A1020 and the product page can be found here: http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/aventage/rx-a1020_black_u/ As I type this there are new models on eBay for $699 and a used model for $550. I'm asking $500. The unit is still attached to my HT system so I can demo it for anyone who might be interested. Thanks everyone.

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Linker error: DSO missing from command line
by Andy Stewart July 15, 2016

July 15, 2016

Hi Everybody, I have received a few reports indicating that xlog will not compile without error from the source tarball. Since I'm the xlog maintainer, I get to fix it, but so far, I've been unsuccessful. The error looks like this, and I've easily reproduced it on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS: /usr/bin/ld: gui_gtkprintdialog.o: undefined reference to symbol 'trunc@@GLIBC_2.2.5' //lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6: error adding symbols: DSO missing from command line I've traced this to recently modified behavior of gcc, where all libraries needed to properly link the executable must be included on the command line. In this case, "-lm" is not explicitly on the command line, and thus the error. I have succeeded in making it work in this way, but it is just a workaround: ./configure LIBS="-lm" make make install It seems that automake 1.15 is needed to help get around this issue, and that version is part of Ubuntu 16.04. However, I'm stuck, trying to figure out the "right way" to fix this. I've googled for a couple of hours, trying to figure out what needs to go into configure.ac and/or Makefile.am, to no avail. I tried this in configure.ac: LT_LIB_M (nope) I tried this in Makefile.am: LIBS=-lm (nope) I also tried this in Makefile.am: LDFLAGS = -lm (nope) In each case, I reran autoconf, automake, and then ./configure, but the linker error persists. I must be missing something easy. Any helpful hints would surely be appreciated. Thanks, and 73, Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

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Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting July 14th, 2016. Topic: SCM with Git and Gitlab!
by Tim Keller July 14, 2016

July 14, 2016

Yup! Back in the round room of slider rule doom! On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > Hey Everybody! > > > > This is a reminder we've got a WLUG meeting on July 14th! > > And this is another, I'll be leaving here soon. > > > > When: July 14th, 2016 @ 7pm > > Where: WPI Mid Century room rm 331 > > I'm assuming this is back in the second floor > of the Student Center, I forget the official > name. > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting July 14th, 2016. Topic: SCM with Git and Gitlab!
by Keith Wright July 14, 2016

July 14, 2016

Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > Hey Everybody! > > This is a reminder we've got a WLUG meeting on July 14th! And this is another, I'll be leaving here soon. > > When: July 14th, 2016 @ 7pm > Where: WPI Mid Century room rm 331 I'm assuming this is back in the second floor of the Student Center, I forget the official name. -- Keith

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Reminder: Meeting July 14th, 2016. Topic: SCM with Git and Gitlab!
by Tim Keller July 10, 2016

July 10, 2016

Hey Everybody! This is a reminder we've got a WLUG meeting on July 14th! I'm going to be doing a presentation and demo detailing Source Control Management (SCM) using git and the git collaboration software "gitlab". Topic: SCM with git and gitlab When: July 14th, 2016 @ 7pm Where: WPI Mid Century room rm 331 Who: Tim Keller Here's a funny XKCD regarding git... https://xkcd.com/1597/ Snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off to Tech Pizza to continue the conversation. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Topic ideas for next meeting...
by Eric Martin June 21, 2016

June 21, 2016

I'm game On Sunday, June 19, 2016, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > Would people be interested in my talking about GitLab? It's basically > your own personal Github. > > I could also dove tail this into a general talk about Git / Source > Control, etc. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile

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Re: [Wlug] Topic ideas for next meeting...
by Frank Sweetser June 20, 2016

June 20, 2016

Sounds like a great idea! We've been getting more into it for some group projects here over the last few months, and would love to hear more about it. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 06/19/2016 07:43 AM, Tim Keller wrote: > Hey Gang, > > Would people be interested in my talking about GitLab? It's basically your > own personal Github. > > I could also dove tail this into a general talk about Git / Source Control, etc. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Re: [Wlug] Topic ideas for next meeting...
by Keith Wright June 20, 2016

June 20, 2016

Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > Would people be interested in my talking about GitLab? At first I thought that this was a message on the other mailing list, because the Guile-Scheme mailing list has broken into discussion of Gitorious, Github, etc. > It's basically your own personal Github. Great, I can collaborate with myself, and not bother other people with my half-baked ideas! > I could also dove tail this into a general talk about > Git / Source Control, etc. Sounds good to me. Is GitLab the same as git itself? I don't know much about this, but might be able to keep my mouth shut long enough to learn. In other words, if you do a presentation, then Yes, I'll listen, but if you lead a discussion, then you lead from before. -- Keith

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Topic ideas for next meeting...
by Tim Keller June 19, 2016

June 19, 2016

Hey Gang, Would people be interested in my talking about GitLab? It's basically your own personal Github. I could also dove tail this into a general talk about Git / Source Control, etc. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Pizza and snacks...
by Tim Keller June 9, 2016

June 9, 2016

Awesome!!! Thanks Robert! On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Robert Schwein <robert.athol.mass(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The IEEE has put this meeting information out to it's members. There may > be a boat-load of people there tonight. > > Bob > > On 6/9/2016 1:17 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > > Hey, > > Jon has to bug out early tonight. My plan is to bring a pizza for John > and his buddy as well as bring along some snacks for us and we'll go out > afterwards. > > If the crowd is large enough we might have to change venues, but I figure > we'll roll with it. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing listWlug@mail.wlug.orghttp://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Pizza and snacks...
by Robert Schwein June 9, 2016

June 9, 2016

The IEEE has put this meeting information out to it's members. There may be a boat-load of people there tonight. Bob On 6/9/2016 1:17 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > Hey, > > Jon has to bug out early tonight. My plan is to bring a pizza for > John and his buddy as well as bring along some snacks for us and we'll > go out afterwards. > > If the crowd is large enough we might have to change venues, but I > figure we'll roll with it. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Pizza and snacks...
by Tim Keller June 9, 2016

June 9, 2016

Hey, Jon has to bug out early tonight. My plan is to bring a pizza for John and his buddy as well as bring along some snacks for us and we'll go out afterwards. If the crowd is large enough we might have to change venues, but I figure we'll roll with it. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Reminder!!!! Next Meeting: June 9th @ 7pm! Speaker: Jon "maddog" Hall!!!!
by Tim Keller June 8, 2016

June 8, 2016

Hey Gang, Jon "Maddog" Hall is going to be speaking at the upcoming meeting! Here's the details: Date & Time: June 9th, 2016 @ 7pm Location: WPI Atwater-kent Rm 232 Topic: Back from the Dead: Projects that maddog is working on, and why you should care Abstract: Only a month after a massive heart attack maddog will be talking about some of the projects he is working on: (1) Rebooting the Linux Professional Institute (and why you should care) (2) Selling small computers in Brazil (and why you should care) (3) Creating jobs for the jobless and help for the clueless (and why you should care) NOTE: John has informed me he needs to head off right after the meeting... So I'm going to arrange to have some pizza delivered! I expect that after the meeting we're going to head off to wooberry or elsewhere for dessert. Who is Jon "Maddog" Hall? Jon "maddog" Hall is the Chairman of the Board of the Linux Professional Institute, and the President of Linux International. Since 1969, Mr. Hall has been a programmer, systems designer, systems administrator, product manager, technical marketing manager, author and educator. He currently works as an independent consultant, and is involved with bringing environmentally friendly computing to emerging marketplaces as well as working on performance and educational issues with Free and Open Source Software via the Linaro Association. He is also closely aligned with LeMaker, a design center located in Shengen, China. While not a founding member of LPI, maddog helped formulate some of the concepts and donated personal money to allow the first 200 tests be tested for psychometrics. Mr. Hall has worked for such companies as Western Electric Corporation, Aetna Life and Casualty, Bell Laboratories, Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC), VA Linux Systems, SGI, Futura Networks (Campus Party) and Linaro. Mr. Hall has taught at Hartford State Technical College (HSTC), Merrimack College and Daniel Webster College. While at HSTC his students gave him the nickname of "maddog", and he developed the skills necessary for talking to university students over pizza and beer. Mr Hall has worked on many different operating systems (MFT, MVT, VS1, VS2, MVS, CP-67, VM/CMS, RSTS/E, RSX-11M, CP/M) but concentrated on Unix systems since 1980 and Linux systems since 1994, when he first met Linus Torvalds and correctly recognized the commercial importance of Linux and Free and Open Source Software. Mr. Hall obtained a DEC "Alpha" system for Linus Torvalds and organized and engineering team which helped the Linux community to port Linux to the world's fastest 64-bit microcomputer. Since 2006 Mr. Hall has been working on Project Cauā, which will large numbers of high-tech jobs allowing students who could not afford to attend university to both attend university and get real-life job experience. Mr. Hall is the author of numerous magazine and newspaper articles, many presentations and one book, "Linux for Dummies". He currently writes a blog for Linux Pro Magazine. Mr. Hall has consulted with the governments of China, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia and Brasil as well as the United Nations and many local and state governments on the use of Free and Open Source Software. Mr. Hall serves on the boards of several companies, and several non-profit organizations. He is currently very active with the University of Sao Paulo's Centro Interdisciplinar Em Tecnologias Interativas (CITI), acting as a member of their advisory board. Mr. Hall has traveled to over 100 countries, many more than one time, speaking on the benefits of Open Source Software having received his BS in Commerce and Engineering from Drexel University (1973), and his MSCS from RPI in Troy, New York (1977). In his spare time maddog is working on his retirement project: maddog's monastery and marina for math, music, micro-computing, micro-brewery, micro-winery, micro-distilery, and bait shop. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] [SPF:Probably_Forged] RE: [SPF:Probably_Forged] RE: Next Meeting: June 9th 2016! Speaker: Jon "Maddog" Hall!
by Jon "maddog" Hall June 1, 2016

June 1, 2016

All, >I mean, WPI is a wet campus, so as long as all parties are of legal age it shouldn't be a problem. OK, we can play it by ear... I will bring along a "wee taste" for people, and because of that I will add one more item to the agenda of things I am working on: "maddog's monastery and marina of math, music. micro-computing, micro-brewery. micro-winery, micro-distillery and bait shop" md On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 3:31 PM, thinkbrown(a)gmail.com <thinkbrown(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I mean, WPI is a wet campus, so as long as all parties are of legal age it > shouldn't be a problem. > On Jun 1, 2016 13:00, "Mike Peckar" <fog(a)fognet.com> wrote: > > Hmmm. Maybe not in WPI donated meeting space? Chuck? > > > > Perhaps the post-meeting pizza & beer could be switched to a BYOB venue? > West Side Steak & BBQ is BYOB, but a little far to walk from campus. > > > > Mike > > *From:* wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] *On > Behalf Of *Jon "maddog" Hall > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:44 PM > > *To:* Worcester Linux Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [Wlug] [SPF:Probably_Forged] RE: Next Meeting: June 9th > 2016! Speaker: Jon "Maddog" Hall! > > > > Would the Tequilla be ok to bring to the meeting? > > md > > > > On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Mike Peckar <fog(a)fognet.com> wrote: > > >maddog's monastery and marina for math, music, micro-computing, > micro-brewery, micro-winery, micro-distilery, and bait shop. > > > > So Maddog, feel free to bring along some tequila from your micro > distillery, but if you do, please make sure to toss in a few worms from the > bait shop. :-) > > > > *From:* wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] *On > Behalf Of *Tim Keller > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:01 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users Group > *Subject:* [Wlug] Next Meeting: June 9th 2016! Speaker: Jon "Maddog" Hall! > > > > Hey Gang, > > > > Jon "Maddog" Hall is going to be speaking at the upcoming meeting! > > > > Here's the details: > > Date & Time: June 9th, 2016 @ 7pm > > Location: WPI Atwater-kent Rm 232 > > Topic: Back from the Dead: Projects that maddog is working on, and why > you should care > > Abstract: Only a month after a massive heart attack maddog will be talking > about some of the projects he is working on: > > (1) Rebooting the Linux Professional Institute (and why you should care) > > (2) Selling small computers in Brazil (and why you should care) > > (3) Creating jobs for the jobless and help for the clueless (and why you > should care) > > > > > > Who is Jon "Maddog" Hall? > > > > Jon "maddog" Hall is the Chairman of the Board of the Linux Professional > Institute, and the President of Linux International. Since 1969, Mr. Hall > has been a programmer, systems designer, systems administrator, product > manager, technical marketing manager, author and educator. > > He currently works as an independent consultant, and is involved with > bringing environmentally friendly computing to emerging marketplaces as > well as working on performance and educational issues with Free and Open > Source Software via the Linaro Association. He is also closely aligned > with LeMaker, a design center located in Shengen, China. > > While not a founding member of LPI, maddog helped formulate some of the > concepts and donated personal money to allow the first 200 tests be tested > for psychometrics. > > Mr. Hall has worked for such companies as Western Electric Corporation, > Aetna Life and Casualty, Bell Laboratories, Digital Equipment Corporation > (DEC), VA Linux Systems, SGI, Futura Networks (Campus Party) and Linaro. > Mr. Hall has taught at Hartford State Technical College (HSTC), Merrimack > College and Daniel Webster College. While at HSTC his students gave him > the nickname of "maddog", and he developed the skills necessary for talking > to university students over pizza and beer. > > Mr Hall has worked on many different operating systems (MFT, MVT, VS1, > VS2, MVS, CP-67, VM/CMS, RSTS/E, RSX-11M, CP/M) but concentrated on Unix > systems since 1980 and Linux systems since 1994, when he first met Linus > Torvalds and correctly recognized the commercial importance of Linux and > Free and Open Source Software. Mr. Hall obtained a DEC "Alpha" system for > Linus Torvalds and organized and engineering team which helped the Linux > community to port Linux to the world's fastest 64-bit microcomputer. > > Since 2006 Mr. Hall has been working on Project Cauā, which will large > numbers of high-tech jobs allowing students who could not afford to attend > university to both attend university and get real-life job experience. > > Mr. Hall is the author of numerous magazine and newspaper articles, many > presentations and one book, "Linux for Dummies". He currently writes a > blog for Linux Pro Magazine. > > Mr. Hall has consulted with the governments of China, Malaysia, Saudi > Arabia and Brasil as well as the United Nations and many local and state > governments on the use of Free and Open Source Software. > > Mr. Hall serves on the boards of several companies, and several non-profit > organizations. He is currently very active with the University of Sao > Paulo's Centro Interdisciplinar Em Tecnologias Interativas (CITI), acting > as a member of their advisory board. > > Mr. Hall has traveled to over 100 countries, many more than one time, > speaking on the benefits of Open Source Software having received his BS in > Commerce and Engineering from Drexel University (1973), and his MSCS from > RPI in Troy, New York (1977). > > In his spare time maddog is working on his retirement project: > > maddog's monastery and marina for math, music, micro-computing, > micro-brewery, micro-winery, micro-distilery, and bait shop. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Re: [Wlug] [SPF:Probably_Forged] RE: [SPF:Probably_Forged] RE: Next Meeting: June 9th 2016! Speaker: Jon "Maddog" Hall!
by thinkbrown＠gmail.com June 1, 2016

June 1, 2016

I mean, WPI is a wet campus, so as long as all parties are of legal age it shouldn't be a problem. On Jun 1, 2016 13:00, "Mike Peckar" <fog(a)fognet.com> wrote: Hmmm. Maybe not in WPI donated meeting space? Chuck? Perhaps the post-meeting pizza & beer could be switched to a BYOB venue? West Side Steak & BBQ is BYOB, but a little far to walk from campus. Mike *From:* wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] *On Behalf Of *Jon "maddog" Hall *Sent:* Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:44 PM *To:* Worcester Linux Users Group *Subject:* Re: [Wlug] [SPF:Probably_Forged] RE: Next Meeting: June 9th 2016! Speaker: Jon "Maddog" Hall! Would the Tequilla be ok to bring to the meeting? md On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Mike Peckar <fog(a)fognet.com> wrote: >maddog's monastery and marina for math, music, micro-computing, micro-brewery, micro-winery, micro-distilery, and bait shop. So Maddog, feel free to bring along some tequila from your micro distillery, but if you do, please make sure to toss in a few worms from the bait shop. :-) *From:* wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] *On Behalf Of *Tim Keller *Sent:* Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:01 PM *To:* Worcester Linux Users Group *Subject:* [Wlug] Next Meeting: June 9th 2016! Speaker: Jon "Maddog" Hall! Hey Gang, Jon "Maddog" Hall is going to be speaking at the upcoming meeting! Here's the details: Date & Time: June 9th, 2016 @ 7pm Location: WPI Atwater-kent Rm 232 Topic: Back from the Dead: Projects that maddog is working on, and why you should care Abstract: Only a month after a massive heart attack maddog will be talking about some of the projects he is working on: (1) Rebooting the Linux Professional Institute (and why you should care) (2) Selling small computers in Brazil (and why you should care) (3) Creating jobs for the jobless and help for the clueless (and why you should care) Who is Jon "Maddog" Hall? Jon "maddog" Hall is the Chairman of the Board of the Linux Professional Institute, and the President of Linux International. Since 1969, Mr. Hall has been a programmer, systems designer, systems administrator, product manager, technical marketing manager, author and educator. He currently works as an independent consultant, and is involved with bringing environmentally friendly computing to emerging marketplaces as well as working on performance and educational issues with Free and Open Source Software via the Linaro Association. He is also closely aligned with LeMaker, a design center located in Shengen, China. While not a founding member of LPI, maddog helped formulate some of the concepts and donated personal money to allow the first 200 tests be tested for psychometrics. Mr. Hall has worked for such companies as Western Electric Corporation, Aetna Life and Casualty, Bell Laboratories, Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC), VA Linux Systems, SGI, Futura Networks (Campus Party) and Linaro. Mr. Hall has taught at Hartford State Technical College (HSTC), Merrimack College and Daniel Webster College. While at HSTC his students gave him the nickname of "maddog", and he developed the skills necessary for talking to university students over pizza and beer. Mr Hall has worked on many different operating systems (MFT, MVT, VS1, VS2, MVS, CP-67, VM/CMS, RSTS/E, RSX-11M, CP/M) but concentrated on Unix systems since 1980 and Linux systems since 1994, when he first met Linus Torvalds and correctly recognized the commercial importance of Linux and Free and Open Source Software. Mr. Hall obtained a DEC "Alpha" system for Linus Torvalds and organized and engineering team which helped the Linux community to port Linux to the world's fastest 64-bit microcomputer. Since 2006 Mr. Hall has been working on Project Cauā, which will large numbers of high-tech jobs allowing students who could not afford to attend university to both attend university and get real-life job experience. Mr. Hall is the author of numerous magazine and newspaper articles, many presentations and one book, "Linux for Dummies". He currently writes a blog for Linux Pro Magazine. Mr. Hall has consulted with the governments of China, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia and Brasil as well as the United Nations and many local and state governments on the use of Free and Open Source Software. Mr. Hall serves on the boards of several companies, and several non-profit organizations. He is currently very active with the University of Sao Paulo's Centro Interdisciplinar Em Tecnologias Interativas (CITI), acting as a member of their advisory board. Mr. Hall has traveled to over 100 countries, many more than one time, speaking on the benefits of Open Source Software having received his BS in Commerce and Engineering from Drexel University (1973), and his MSCS from RPI in Troy, New York (1977). In his spare time maddog is working on his retirement project: maddog's monastery and marina for math, music, micro-computing, micro-brewery, micro-winery, micro-distilery, and bait shop. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] [SPF:Probably_Forged] RE: [SPF:Probably_Forged] RE: Next Meeting: June 9th 2016! Speaker: Jon "Maddog" Hall!
by Tim Keller June 1, 2016

June 1, 2016

I'm game! While I don't mind helping to keep Paul at Tech Pizza in business, the truth is, if we have a decent turn out, we'll end up swamping the place. Tim. On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Mike Peckar <fog(a)fognet.com> wrote: > Hmmm. Maybe not in WPI donated meeting space? Chuck? > > > > Perhaps the post-meeting pizza & beer could be switched to a BYOB venue? > West Side Steak & BBQ is BYOB, but a little far to walk from campus. > > > > Mike > > *From:* wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] *On > Behalf Of *Jon "maddog" Hall > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:44 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [Wlug] [SPF:Probably_Forged] RE: Next Meeting: June 9th > 2016! Speaker: Jon "Maddog" Hall! > > > > Would the Tequilla be ok to bring to the meeting? > > md > > > > On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Mike Peckar <fog(a)fognet.com> wrote: > > >maddog's monastery and marina for math, music, micro-computing, > micro-brewery, micro-winery, micro-distilery, and bait shop. > > > > So Maddog, feel free to bring along some tequila from your micro > distillery, but if you do, please make sure to toss in a few worms from the > bait shop. :-) > > > > *From:* wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] *On > Behalf Of *Tim Keller > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:01 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users Group > *Subject:* [Wlug] Next Meeting: June 9th 2016! Speaker: Jon "Maddog" Hall! > > > > Hey Gang, > > > > Jon "Maddog" Hall is going to be speaking at the upcoming meeting! > > > > Here's the details: > > Date & Time: June 9th, 2016 @ 7pm > > Location: WPI Atwater-kent Rm 232 > > Topic: Back from the Dead: Projects that maddog is working on, and why > you should care > > Abstract: Only a month after a massive heart attack maddog will be talking > about some of the projects he is working on: > > (1) Rebooting the Linux Professional Institute (and why you should care) > > (2) Selling small computers in Brazil (and why you should care) > > (3) Creating jobs for the jobless and help for the clueless (and why you > should care) > > > > > > Who is Jon "Maddog" Hall? > > > > Jon "maddog" Hall is the Chairman of the Board of the Linux Professional > Institute, and the President of Linux International. Since 1969, Mr. Hall > has been a programmer, systems designer, systems administrator, product > manager, technical marketing manager, author and educator. > > He currently works as an independent consultant, and is involved with > bringing environmentally friendly computing to emerging marketplaces as > well as working on performance and educational issues with Free and Open > Source Software via the Linaro Association. He is also closely aligned > with LeMaker, a design center located in Shengen, China. > > While not a founding member of LPI, maddog helped formulate some of the > concepts and donated personal money to allow the first 200 tests be tested > for psychometrics. > > Mr. Hall has worked for such companies as Western Electric Corporation, > Aetna Life and Casualty, Bell Laboratories, Digital Equipment Corporation > (DEC), VA Linux Systems, SGI, Futura Networks (Campus Party) and Linaro. > Mr. Hall has taught at Hartford State Technical College (HSTC), Merrimack > College and Daniel Webster College. While at HSTC his students gave him > the nickname of "maddog", and he developed the skills necessary for talking > to university students over pizza and beer. > > Mr Hall has worked on many different operating systems (MFT, MVT, VS1, > VS2, MVS, CP-67, VM/CMS, RSTS/E, RSX-11M, CP/M) but concentrated on Unix > systems since 1980 and Linux systems since 1994, when he first met Linus > Torvalds and correctly recognized the commercial importance of Linux and > Free and Open Source Software. Mr. Hall obtained a DEC "Alpha" system for > Linus Torvalds and organized and engineering team which helped the Linux > community to port Linux to the world's fastest 64-bit microcomputer. > > Since 2006 Mr. Hall has been working on Project Cauā, which will large > numbers of high-tech jobs allowing students who could not afford to attend > university to both attend university and get real-life job experience. > > Mr. Hall is the author of numerous magazine and newspaper articles, many > presentations and one book, "Linux for Dummies". He currently writes a > blog for Linux Pro Magazine. > > Mr. Hall has consulted with the governments of China, Malaysia, Saudi > Arabia and Brasil as well as the United Nations and many local and state > governments on the use of Free and Open Source Software. > > Mr. Hall serves on the boards of several companies, and several non-profit > organizations. He is currently very active with the University of Sao > Paulo's Centro Interdisciplinar Em Tecnologias Interativas (CITI), acting > as a member of their advisory board. > > Mr. Hall has traveled to over 100 countries, many more than one time, > speaking on the benefits of Open Source Software having received his BS in > Commerce and Engineering from Drexel University (1973), and his MSCS from > RPI in Troy, New York (1977). > > In his spare time maddog is working on his retirement project: > > maddog's monastery and marina for math, music, micro-computing, > micro-brewery, micro-winery, micro-distilery, and bait shop. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] [SPF:Probably_Forged] RE: [SPF:Probably_Forged] RE: Next Meeting: June 9th 2016! Speaker: Jon "Maddog" Hall!
by Jon "maddog" Hall June 1, 2016

June 1, 2016

It would have to be BYOB. I have already been thrown out of one bar by letting someone have "a wee taste" of good scotch from a pocket flask I was carrying. The owner had no sense of humor. Of course he lost a customer for life. md On Wed, Jun 1, 2016, 13:00 Mike Peckar <fog(a)fognet.com> wrote: > Hmmm. Maybe not in WPI donated meeting space? Chuck? > > > > Perhaps the post-meeting pizza & beer could be switched to a BYOB venue? > West Side Steak & BBQ is BYOB, but a little far to walk from campus. > > > > Mike > > *From:* wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] *On > Behalf Of *Jon "maddog" Hall > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:44 PM > > > *To:* Worcester Linux Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [Wlug] [SPF:Probably_Forged] RE: Next Meeting: June 9th > 2016! Speaker: Jon "Maddog" Hall! > > > > Would the Tequilla be ok to bring to the meeting? > > md > > > > On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Mike Peckar <fog(a)fognet.com> wrote: > > >maddog's monastery and marina for math, music, micro-computing, > micro-brewery, micro-winery, micro-distilery, and bait shop. > > > > So Maddog, feel free to bring along some tequila from your micro > distillery, but if you do, please make sure to toss in a few worms from the > bait shop. :-) > > > > *From:* wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] *On > Behalf Of *Tim Keller > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:01 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users Group > *Subject:* [Wlug] Next Meeting: June 9th 2016! Speaker: Jon "Maddog" Hall! > > > > Hey Gang, > > > > Jon "Maddog" Hall is going to be speaking at the upcoming meeting! > > > > Here's the details: > > Date & Time: June 9th, 2016 @ 7pm > > Location: WPI Atwater-kent Rm 232 > > Topic: Back from the Dead: Projects that maddog is working on, and why > you should care > > Abstract: Only a month after a massive heart attack maddog will be talking > about some of the projects he is working on: > > (1) Rebooting the Linux Professional Institute (and why you should care) > > (2) Selling small computers in Brazil (and why you should care) > > (3) Creating jobs for the jobless and help for the clueless (and why you > should care) > > > > > > Who is Jon "Maddog" Hall? > > > > Jon "maddog" Hall is the Chairman of the Board of the Linux Professional > Institute, and the President of Linux International. Since 1969, Mr. Hall > has been a programmer, systems designer, systems administrator, product > manager, technical marketing manager, author and educator. > > He currently works as an independent consultant, and is involved with > bringing environmentally friendly computing to emerging marketplaces as > well as working on performance and educational issues with Free and Open > Source Software via the Linaro Association. He is also closely aligned > with LeMaker, a design center located in Shengen, China. > > While not a founding member of LPI, maddog helped formulate some of the > concepts and donated personal money to allow the first 200 tests be tested > for psychometrics. > > Mr. Hall has worked for such companies as Western Electric Corporation, > Aetna Life and Casualty, Bell Laboratories, Digital Equipment Corporation > (DEC), VA Linux Systems, SGI, Futura Networks (Campus Party) and Linaro. > Mr. Hall has taught at Hartford State Technical College (HSTC), Merrimack > College and Daniel Webster College. While at HSTC his students gave him > the nickname of "maddog", and he developed the skills necessary for talking > to university students over pizza and beer. > > Mr Hall has worked on many different operating systems (MFT, MVT, VS1, > VS2, MVS, CP-67, VM/CMS, RSTS/E, RSX-11M, CP/M) but concentrated on Unix > systems since 1980 and Linux systems since 1994, when he first met Linus > Torvalds and correctly recognized the commercial importance of Linux and > Free and Open Source Software. Mr. Hall obtained a DEC "Alpha" system for > Linus Torvalds and organized and engineering team which helped the Linux > community to port Linux to the world's fastest 64-bit microcomputer. > > Since 2006 Mr. Hall has been working on Project Cauā, which will large > numbers of high-tech jobs allowing students who could not afford to attend > university to both attend university and get real-life job experience. > > Mr. Hall is the author of numerous magazine and newspaper articles, many > presentations and one book, "Linux for Dummies". He currently writes a > blog for Linux Pro Magazine. > > Mr. Hall has consulted with the governments of China, Malaysia, Saudi > Arabia and Brasil as well as the United Nations and many local and state > governments on the use of Free and Open Source Software. > > Mr. Hall serves on the boards of several companies, and several non-profit > organizations. He is currently very active with the University of Sao > Paulo's Centro Interdisciplinar Em Tecnologias Interativas (CITI), acting > as a member of their advisory board. > > Mr. Hall has traveled to over 100 countries, many more than one time, > speaking on the benefits of Open Source Software having received his BS in > Commerce and Engineering from Drexel University (1973), and his MSCS from > RPI in Troy, New York (1977). > > In his spare time maddog is working on his retirement project: > > maddog's monastery and marina for math, music, micro-computing, > micro-brewery, micro-winery, micro-distilery, and bait shop. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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[SPF:Probably_Forged] RE: [SPF:Probably_Forged] RE: Next Meeting: June 9th 2016! Speaker: Jon "Maddog" Hall!
by Mike Peckar June 1, 2016

June 1, 2016

Hmmm. Maybe not in WPI donated meeting space? Chuck? Perhaps the post-meeting pizza & beer could be switched to a BYOB venue? West Side Steak & BBQ is BYOB, but a little far to walk from campus. Mike From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Jon "maddog" Hall Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:44 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] [SPF:Probably_Forged] RE: Next Meeting: June 9th 2016! Speaker: Jon "Maddog" Hall! Would the Tequilla be ok to bring to the meeting? md On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Mike Peckar <fog(a)fognet.com> wrote: >maddog's monastery and marina for math, music, micro-computing, micro-brewery, micro-winery, micro-distilery, and bait shop. So Maddog, feel free to bring along some tequila from your micro distillery, but if you do, please make sure to toss in a few worms from the bait shop. :-) From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Tim Keller Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:01 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] Next Meeting: June 9th 2016! Speaker: Jon "Maddog" Hall! Hey Gang, Jon "Maddog" Hall is going to be speaking at the upcoming meeting! Here's the details: Date & Time: June 9th, 2016 @ 7pm Location: WPI Atwater-kent Rm 232 Topic: Back from the Dead: Projects that maddog is working on, and why you should care Abstract: Only a month after a massive heart attack maddog will be talking about some of the projects he is working on: (1) Rebooting the Linux Professional Institute (and why you should care) (2) Selling small computers in Brazil (and why you should care) (3) Creating jobs for the jobless and help for the clueless (and why you should care) Who is Jon "Maddog" Hall? Jon "maddog" Hall is the Chairman of the Board of the Linux Professional Institute, and the President of Linux International. Since 1969, Mr. Hall has been a programmer, systems designer, systems administrator, product manager, technical marketing manager, author and educator. He currently works as an independent consultant, and is involved with bringing environmentally friendly computing to emerging marketplaces as well as working on performance and educational issues with Free and Open Source Software via the Linaro Association. He is also closely aligned with LeMaker, a design center located in Shengen, China. While not a founding member of LPI, maddog helped formulate some of the concepts and donated personal money to allow the first 200 tests be tested for psychometrics. Mr. Hall has worked for such companies as Western Electric Corporation, Aetna Life and Casualty, Bell Laboratories, Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC), VA Linux Systems, SGI, Futura Networks (Campus Party) and Linaro. Mr. Hall has taught at Hartford State Technical College (HSTC), Merrimack College and Daniel Webster College. While at HSTC his students gave him the nickname of "maddog", and he developed the skills necessary for talking to university students over pizza and beer. Mr Hall has worked on many different operating systems (MFT, MVT, VS1, VS2, MVS, CP-67, VM/CMS, RSTS/E, RSX-11M, CP/M) but concentrated on Unix systems since 1980 and Linux systems since 1994, when he first met Linus Torvalds and correctly recognized the commercial importance of Linux and Free and Open Source Software. Mr. Hall obtained a DEC "Alpha" system for Linus Torvalds and organized and engineering team which helped the Linux community to port Linux to the world's fastest 64-bit microcomputer. Since 2006 Mr. Hall has been working on Project Cauā, which will large numbers of high-tech jobs allowing students who could not afford to attend university to both attend university and get real-life job experience. Mr. Hall is the author of numerous magazine and newspaper articles, many presentations and one book, "Linux for Dummies". He currently writes a blog for Linux Pro Magazine. Mr. Hall has consulted with the governments of China, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia and Brasil as well as the United Nations and many local and state governments on the use of Free and Open Source Software. Mr. Hall serves on the boards of several companies, and several non-profit organizations. He is currently very active with the University of Sao Paulo's Centro Interdisciplinar Em Tecnologias Interativas (CITI), acting as a member of their advisory board. Mr. Hall has traveled to over 100 countries, many more than one time, speaking on the benefits of Open Source Software having received his BS in Commerce and Engineering from Drexel University (1973), and his MSCS from RPI in Troy, New York (1977). In his spare time maddog is working on his retirement project: maddog's monastery and marina for math, music, micro-computing, micro-brewery, micro-winery, micro-distilery, and bait shop. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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