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Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues
by Gary Hanley 25 Mar '16

25 Mar '16

Yeah, I should know better. I was beat up and frustrated at the time. Sorry. The root of my problem was that I couldn't find any options in the BIOS to manipulate the Secure Boot/UEFI/Legacy stuff. However, I found them this morning after I selected an option that I assumed to be unrelated which unlocked them. Thank you, Gigabyte. So I'm making progress now but I'm still not out of the woods yet. I've got Windows installed with space partitioned for LM but now I'm working on getting the installer to recognize the Windows partition. It thinks I have the entire disk available. Damn. Keep digging.... Thanks for the BLOG link. Looks interesting. I'll check it out. On 03/25/2016 09:54 AM, John Stoffel wrote: > Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side > Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell > Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace > Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for > Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power > Gary> consumption. > > Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I don't > Gary> like to build these any more. > > Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, > Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install > Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. > > You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no > one will be able to help you. > > For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any > problems on this board? > > I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? > > So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new > bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke > both I suspect. > > Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for > Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an > Gary> Intel I5 6400). > > Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, > Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding > Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? > > Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they > have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around > it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... > > Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I > Gary> hope not. > > Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's > possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow > non-signed keys to boot. > > Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI > maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's > Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: > > https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org > > It might have some pointers. > > > But please, more details would help us help you. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues
by John Stoffel 25 Mar '16

25 Mar '16

Gary> Yeah, I should know better. I was beat up and frustrated at the time. Gary> Sorry. Been there! :-) Gary> The root of my problem was that I couldn't find any options in Gary> the BIOS to manipulate the Secure Boot/UEFI/Legacy stuff. Gary> However, I found them this morning after I selected an option Gary> that I assumed to be unrelated which unlocked them. Thank you, Gary> Gigabyte. Gigabyte is usually a good bet, but I'm sure the crack monkeys who write the firmware and setup the menus weren't thinking well that day. Gary> So I'm making progress now but I'm still not out of the woods Gary> yet. I've got Windows installed with space partitioned for LM Gary> but now I'm working on getting the installer to recognize the Gary> Windows partition. It thinks I have the entire disk available. Gary> Damn. Keep digging.... You're talking about the MINT installer, right? In any case, I think you need to make sure that you boot into Win10, shrink the C:\ drive and leave free space on the disk. The in the mint installer you need to select the custom disk partitioning scheme, since you need to find and select the space by hand. Gary> Thanks for the BLOG link. Looks interesting. I'll check it out. It is interestingm, though I suspect not directly applicable in this case. You're closer now, which is good! Gary> On 03/25/2016 09:54 AM, John Stoffel wrote: Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power Gary> consumption. >> Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I don't Gary> like to build these any more. >> Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. >> >> You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no >> one will be able to help you. >> >> For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any >> problems on this board? >> >> I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? >> >> So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new >> bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke >> both I suspect. >> Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an Gary> Intel I5 6400). >> Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? >> >> Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they >> have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around >> it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... >> Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I Gary> hope not. >> >> Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's >> possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow >> non-signed keys to boot. >> >> Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI >> maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's >> Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: >> >> https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org >> >> It might have some pointers. >> >> >> But please, more details would help us help you. >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> Gary> _______________________________________________ Gary> Wlug mailing list Gary> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Gary> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues
by Gary Hanley 25 Mar '16

25 Mar '16

Yes, I have that disabled now. Windows installed first. On 03/25/2016 10:15 AM, Randall Mason wrote: > You have turned off secure boot, right? Which OS is working right > now? Can you run grub manually from the UEFI prompt? Can you get to > the UEFI prompt? Are you trying to install Windows second after a > successful Linux install? > > Randall Mason > clashthebunny(a)gmail.com <mailto:clashthebunny@gmail.com> > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org > <mailto:rich@richardklein.org>> wrote: > > Have you considered picking one OS, then running the other in a > virtual machine? > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:54 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org > <mailto:john@stoffel.org>> wrote: > > > Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side > Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a > headache I fell > Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to > replace > Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working > fine for > Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less > power > Gary> consumption. > > Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I > remembered why I don't > Gary> like to build these any more. > > Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered > resolved, > Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to > install > Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. > > You really really really need to give more details here, > otherwise no > one will be able to help you. > > For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself > without any > problems on this board? > > I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? > > So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new > bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke > both I suspect. > > Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for > Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX > with an > Gary> Intel I5 6400). > > Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific > instructions, > Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines > regarding > Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? > > Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs > where they > have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way > around > it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... > > Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my > setup but I > Gary> hope not. > > Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's > possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow > non-signed keys to boot. > > Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI > maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh > wait, it's > Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: > > https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org > > It might have some pointers. > > > But please, more details would help us help you. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues
by Gary Hanley 25 Mar '16

25 Mar '16

That might be an option if I'm not able to get them installed the way I prefer. On 03/25/2016 10:10 AM, Richard Klein wrote: > Have you considered picking one OS, then running the other in a > virtual machine? > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:54 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org > <mailto:john@stoffel.org>> wrote: > > > Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side > Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell > Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace > Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for > Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power > Gary> consumption. > > Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered > why I don't > Gary> like to build these any more. > > Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, > Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install > Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. > > You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no > one will be able to help you. > > For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any > problems on this board? > > I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? > > So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new > bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke > both I suspect. > > Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for > Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an > Gary> Intel I5 6400). > > Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, > Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding > Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? > > Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they > have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around > it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... > > Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my > setup but I > Gary> hope not. > > Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's > possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow > non-signed keys to boot. > > Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI > maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's > Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: > > https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org > > It might have some pointers. > > > But please, more details would help us help you. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues
by Randall Mason 25 Mar '16

25 Mar '16

You have turned off secure boot, right? Which OS is working right now? Can you run grub manually from the UEFI prompt? Can you get to the UEFI prompt? Are you trying to install Windows second after a successful Linux install? Randall Mason clashthebunny(a)gmail.com On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > Have you considered picking one OS, then running the other in a virtual > machine? > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:54 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >> >> Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side >> Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell >> Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace >> Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for >> Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power >> Gary> consumption. >> >> Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I >> don't >> Gary> like to build these any more. >> >> Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, >> Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install >> Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. >> >> You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no >> one will be able to help you. >> >> For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any >> problems on this board? >> >> I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? >> >> So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new >> bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke >> both I suspect. >> >> Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for >> Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an >> Gary> Intel I5 6400). >> >> Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, >> Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding >> Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? >> >> Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they >> have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around >> it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... >> >> Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I >> Gary> hope not. >> >> Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's >> possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow >> non-signed keys to boot. >> >> Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI >> maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's >> Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: >> >> https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org >> >> It might have some pointers. >> >> >> But please, more details would help us help you. >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues
by Richard Klein 25 Mar '16

25 Mar '16

Have you considered picking one OS, then running the other in a virtual machine? On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:54 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side > Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell > Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace > Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for > Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power > Gary> consumption. > > Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I > don't > Gary> like to build these any more. > > Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, > Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install > Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. > > You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no > one will be able to help you. > > For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any > problems on this board? > > I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? > > So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new > bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke > both I suspect. > > Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for > Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an > Gary> Intel I5 6400). > > Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, > Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding > Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? > > Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they > have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around > it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... > > Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I > Gary> hope not. > > Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's > possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow > non-signed keys to boot. > > Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI > maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's > Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: > > https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org > > It might have some pointers. > > > But please, more details would help us help you. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues
by John Stoffel 25 Mar '16

25 Mar '16

Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power Gary> consumption. Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I don't Gary> like to build these any more. Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no one will be able to help you. For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any problems on this board? I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke both I suspect. Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an Gary> Intel I5 6400). Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I Gary> hope not. Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow non-signed keys to boot. Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org It might have some pointers. But please, more details would help us help you. John

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UEFI Blues
by Gary Hanley 24 Mar '16

24 Mar '16

I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power consumption. So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I don't like to build these any more. I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an Intel I5 6400). So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I hope not. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- Gary

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Re: [Wlug] Block-level remote file sync?
by Frank Sweetser 24 Mar '16

24 Mar '16

You're thinking of lsyncd: https://github.com/axkibe/lsyncd It's essentially a daemon that watches one or more directories via inotify, and fires of incremental rsync processes whenever it sees writes go by (though you can specify filters rather than a simple bit for bit copy). It's basically a poor man's userspace RAID1. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 3/23/2016 8:50 PM, Chris wrote: > Hi all, > > I recall someone giving a lightning talk on this quite a while ago > (Chuck I think, about 2 years ago!). > > I was hoping to set up a simple backup solution with my son. He'd > replicate his data to my system, mine to his. Now, the interesting part, > was I think that the replication method someone used was a lazy write to > the backup location with a folder watching process or something. I don't > think I want to set up DRBD for this, but I would like an efficient > backup operation (e.g. would be nice to be able to efficiently backup > written chunks of a file with an EFS system on it). > > Might someone remember what I'm talking about, or have any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance! Hope you are all well. > --Chris > > PS - LibrePlanet was pretty fun :) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Block-level remote file sync?
by Chris 24 Mar '16

24 Mar '16

Hi all, I recall someone giving a lightning talk on this quite a while ago (Chuck I think, about 2 years ago!). I was hoping to set up a simple backup solution with my son. He'd replicate his data to my system, mine to his. Now, the interesting part, was I think that the replication method someone used was a lazy write to the backup location with a folder watching process or something. I don't think I want to set up DRBD for this, but I would like an efficient backup operation (e.g. would be nice to be able to efficiently backup written chunks of a file with an EFS system on it). Might someone remember what I'm talking about, or have any suggestions? Thanks in advance! Hope you are all well. --Chris PS - LibrePlanet was pretty fun :)

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Subject: New TV Suggestions
by Joel 16 Mar '16

16 Mar '16

Late to the party. Been that kind of busy week Replaced 36 inch tube with a 55 inch LCD around 4 years ago. Bought the best TV to match the imperfect eyeballs in our home. It's personal what we all see and how well. We went with Samsung UN55D7000. Amazon shipped new was best deal around then. Would do it again (that model and via Amazon). LCD gets fed signals by: Charter Cable Box with DVR Have extra info on DVR tricks via ESata if others have this setup. Samsung blu ray player about 4 years old (no WIFI, no apps) mostly used for redbox rentals. Denon AVR 2112ci receiver & speakers key here is HDMI and "ARC" so TV & receiver share volume and inputs. It is a video source too ksetup & stations) Recently OSMC distro to play KODI on a Raspberry Pi 3 - excellent for video unsure if it works for me with music (mp3 and streaming). Older Roku 2 (likely go to OSMC or Roku 4 soon) used for Intertube streaming of Netflix / Showtime /HBO / etc. It still works but now is *wonky* and needs power reboots every other day. Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 11:40:35 -0400 From: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [Wlug] New TV Suggestions? To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <CA+r3vQh7pQAb38LyQ+CQCoUW1Yu-AzLpfkzJGgpPR4+QcA=fow(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hey Gang, After 17 years, my venerable 27" Panasonic tube TV finally died. Now... what to replace it with? So far I'm looking at the Visio TVs, but I'd peoples like/hates with their current TV's etc. I like won't be using it as a monitor and will only be watching streaming stuff. I figure this is midly linux related because most modern TV's are running linux! Thanks, Tim.

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Re: [Wlug] New TV Suggestions?
by Chuck Anderson 14 Mar '16

14 Mar '16

Nice site! But Visio wasn't the recommended one for larger sizes, just "The Best TV Around $500" 43" model: "The 43-inch Vizio uses a VA-type LCD panel while some other displays (including the 49-inch M-series) use an IPS panel. While IPS panels offers wider viewing angles, making them good for a bar or restaurant, their black levels and contrast ratios are much worse. The VA-type LCD panel on our pick offers very good black levels. The local dimming features improve on that. So for most people, the sizes that use VA-type panels will look far better in your home, unless you usually watch from off to the side." Their "Best TV" was the Samsung JU7100 at $1598. They also review receivers and speakers... On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 05:18:27PM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > The site my cohorts keep pointing me at is the wirecutters... who recommend > the Visio M##-C1 where ## is 43,49,50,55,60... > > I've also heard of people who are quite happy with Samsung TV's though > honestly I have a Roku so I'd rather spend the money on picture quality > then on smartness. > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 2:45 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > > > > Tim> After 17 years, my venerable 27" Panasonic tube TV finally died. > > > > Heh... my 32" JVC tube is still going strong... though relegated to > > the basement now... > > > > Tim> Now... what to replace it with? > > > > What devices do you have hooked up to your TV? I assume blueRay or > > DVD, but anything else? > > > > Personally, I'd probably skip or not use any of the smart TVs since > > they seem to get hacked or broken after a few short years, esp when > > the vendor turns off the website supporting them. Or stops updating > > the Netflix plugin, etc. > > > > I've got a Sony 42" LCD from 2007 which is working great. Hooked upto > > a Tivo and DVD player. So for me, getting more inputs would be a big > > thing, so then I could try running a ChromeCast or someth other type > > of system on a stick. Basically, keep the TV as dumb as possible, so > > that the sucker doesn't screw you over.

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Re: [Wlug] New TV Suggestions?
by Clint Moyer 14 Mar '16

14 Mar '16

There's pretty much no such thing as a "dumb" TV in today's consumer market. If you find one, it'll be an off brand. I bought the Vizio M55 last month and like it. It's GUI is simpler and thus less cumbersome than the Samsung TV we have. It's also 4K if that matters to you. On March 14, 2016 5:18:27 PM EDT, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >The site my cohorts keep pointing me at is the wirecutters... who >recommend >the Visio M##-C1 where ## is 43,49,50,55,60... > >I've also heard of people who are quite happy with Samsung TV's though >honestly I have a Roku so I'd rather spend the money on picture quality >then on smartness. > >On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 2:45 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >> >> Tim> After 17 years, my venerable 27" Panasonic tube TV finally died. >> >> Heh... my 32" JVC tube is still going strong... though relegated to >> the basement now... >> >> Tim> Now... what to replace it with? >> >> What devices do you have hooked up to your TV? I assume blueRay or >> DVD, but anything else? >> >> Personally, I'd probably skip or not use any of the smart TVs since >> they seem to get hacked or broken after a few short years, esp when >> the vendor turns off the website supporting them. Or stops updating >> the Netflix plugin, etc. >> >> I've got a Sony 42" LCD from 2007 which is working great. Hooked >upto >> a Tivo and DVD player. So for me, getting more inputs would be a big >> thing, so then I could try running a ChromeCast or someth other type >> of system on a stick. Basically, keep the TV as dumb as possible, so >> that the sucker doesn't screw you over. >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > >-- >I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >constituents as "consumers". > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] New TV Suggestions?
by Tim Keller 14 Mar '16

14 Mar '16

The site my cohorts keep pointing me at is the wirecutters... who recommend the Visio M##-C1 where ## is 43,49,50,55,60... I've also heard of people who are quite happy with Samsung TV's though honestly I have a Roku so I'd rather spend the money on picture quality then on smartness. On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 2:45 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Tim> After 17 years, my venerable 27" Panasonic tube TV finally died. > > Heh... my 32" JVC tube is still going strong... though relegated to > the basement now... > > Tim> Now... what to replace it with? > > What devices do you have hooked up to your TV? I assume blueRay or > DVD, but anything else? > > Personally, I'd probably skip or not use any of the smart TVs since > they seem to get hacked or broken after a few short years, esp when > the vendor turns off the website supporting them. Or stops updating > the Netflix plugin, etc. > > I've got a Sony 42" LCD from 2007 which is working great. Hooked upto > a Tivo and DVD player. So for me, getting more inputs would be a big > thing, so then I could try running a ChromeCast or someth other type > of system on a stick. Basically, keep the TV as dumb as possible, so > that the sucker doesn't screw you over. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] New TV Suggestions?
by thinkbrown＠gmail.com 14 Mar '16

14 Mar '16

My recommendation would be Sony as far as image quality and reliability go. Their newest series of smart TVs integrate Android TV, which is actually good, so that's another plus. Logan On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 2:45 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Tim> After 17 years, my venerable 27" Panasonic tube TV finally died. > > Heh... my 32" JVC tube is still going strong... though relegated to > the basement now... > > Tim> Now... what to replace it with? > > What devices do you have hooked up to your TV? I assume blueRay or > DVD, but anything else? > > Personally, I'd probably skip or not use any of the smart TVs since > they seem to get hacked or broken after a few short years, esp when > the vendor turns off the website supporting them. Or stops updating > the Netflix plugin, etc. > > I've got a Sony 42" LCD from 2007 which is working great. Hooked upto > a Tivo and DVD player. So for me, getting more inputs would be a big > thing, so then I could try running a ChromeCast or someth other type > of system on a stick. Basically, keep the TV as dumb as possible, so > that the sucker doesn't screw you over. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Re: [Wlug] Raspberry Pi alternative
by John Stoffel 14 Mar '16

14 Mar '16

Mike> Timely! I'm working on a project to virtualize my home systems Mike> (on esxi) and have been looking at thin clients with decent Mike> GPU's - this looks like it'll fit the bill perfectly. It depends on how good the GPU is on the pine64.org system. I also note that they're not shipping the larger memory systems yet either... has anyone else tried the Beaglebone Black?

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Re: [Wlug] New TV Suggestions?
by John Stoffel 14 Mar '16

14 Mar '16

Tim> After 17 years, my venerable 27" Panasonic tube TV finally died. Heh... my 32" JVC tube is still going strong... though relegated to the basement now... Tim> Now... what to replace it with? What devices do you have hooked up to your TV? I assume blueRay or DVD, but anything else? Personally, I'd probably skip or not use any of the smart TVs since they seem to get hacked or broken after a few short years, esp when the vendor turns off the website supporting them. Or stops updating the Netflix plugin, etc. I've got a Sony 42" LCD from 2007 which is working great. Hooked upto a Tivo and DVD player. So for me, getting more inputs would be a big thing, so then I could try running a ChromeCast or someth other type of system on a stick. Basically, keep the TV as dumb as possible, so that the sucker doesn't screw you over. John

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New TV Suggestions?
by Tim Keller 14 Mar '16

14 Mar '16

Hey Gang, After 17 years, my venerable 27" Panasonic tube TV finally died. Now... what to replace it with? So far I'm looking at the Visio TVs, but I'd peoples like/hates with their current TV's etc. I like won't be using it as a monitor and will only be watching streaming stuff. I figure this is midly linux related because most modern TV's are running linux! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Raspberry Pi alternative
by Mike Peckar 11 Mar '16

11 Mar '16

Timely! I'm working on a project to virtualize my home systems (on esxi) and have been looking at thin clients with decent GPU's - this looks like it'll fit the bill perfectly. Mike -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Anderson Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 9:32 AM To: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Raspberry Pi alternative Here is the Raspberry Pi alternative I was trying to remember the name of last night: https://www.pine64.com/product#pricing _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Raspberry Pi alternative
by Chuck Anderson 11 Mar '16

11 Mar '16

Here is the Raspberry Pi alternative I was trying to remember the name of last night: https://www.pine64.com/product#pricing

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Re: [Wlug] March WLUG Meeting details update!
by Tim Keller 09 Mar '16

09 Mar '16

Jon, That would be fantastic! Obviously we'll work with your schedule. Let us know when and the spot's yours. Thanks, Tim. On Tuesday, March 8, 2016, Jon "maddog" Hall <jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Tim, > I am involved with a project to bring low cost Single Board Computers to Latin America. As part of this I am constantly evaluating SBCs for the project. > I could give a talk on some of the SBCs on the market, how to evaluate them and how to make a choice between the ones you might want to purchase. > Unfortunately I will not be able to do this until the June or July time frame. > If you are interested, please let me know. > maddog > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2016, 03:33 Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hey Gang, >> Here are the details: >> Location: WPI Student Center Mid-Century Rm 331 >> Date & Time: March 10th, 2016 @ 7:00pm >> Topic: RPZ Bind plus round table. >> Snacks and refreshments will be provided. >> Afterwards we'll retire to Tech Pizza and continue the conversation! >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] March WLUG Meeting details update!
by Jon "maddog" Hall 09 Mar '16

09 Mar '16

Hi Tim, I am involved with a project to bring low cost Single Board Computers to Latin America. As part of this I am constantly evaluating SBCs for the project. I could give a talk on some of the SBCs on the market, how to evaluate them and how to make a choice between the ones you might want to purchase. Unfortunately I will not be able to do this until the June or July time frame. If you are interested, please let me know. maddog On Wed, Mar 9, 2016, 03:33 Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > Here are the details: > > Location: WPI Student Center Mid-Century Rm 331 > Date & Time: March 10th, 2016 @ 7:00pm > Topic: RPZ Bind plus round table. > > Snacks and refreshments will be provided. > > Afterwards we'll retire to Tech Pizza and continue the conversation! > > Thanks, > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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March WLUG Meeting details update!
by Tim Keller 08 Mar '16

08 Mar '16

Hey Gang, Here are the details: Location: WPI Student Center Mid-Century Rm 331 Date & Time: March 10th, 2016 @ 7:00pm Topic: RPZ Bind plus round table. Snacks and refreshments will be provided. Afterwards we'll retire to Tech Pizza and continue the conversation! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] WLUG Meeting March 10th 2016!
by Frank Sweetser 08 Mar '16

08 Mar '16

Sure, I can throw some slides together! On March 7, 2016 9:32:04 PM EST, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Hey Gang, > >I put a shout out for topic ideas and got crickets... If Frank would be >gracious enough to do a talk bout RPZ security features in bind (even >if >it's a short one) that would be great. > >Then I figure we can do a round table and talk about the new Raspberry >Pi >3, competitors to the Pi, SQL server for Linux?!?!, ZFS on in ubuntu >16.10, >linux gaming, etc. > >If there's something that someone's interested in talking about, reply >to >the list and we'll round table it as well... lots of times this turns >into >a topic. Someone (maybe Chuck) mentioned something about Flask... > >Afterwards we'll head to Tech Pizza (and if it's warm enough maybe >Wooberry!) and keep the conversation going. > >I'd like to apologize for dropping the ball a bit lately, life's gotten >hectic. I'm going to start working on getting some speakers lined up. > >Thanks, >Tim. >-- >I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >constituents as "consumers". > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

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WLUG Meeting March 10th 2016!
by Tim Keller 08 Mar '16

08 Mar '16

Hey Gang, I put a shout out for topic ideas and got crickets... If Frank would be gracious enough to do a talk bout RPZ security features in bind (even if it's a short one) that would be great. Then I figure we can do a round table and talk about the new Raspberry Pi 3, competitors to the Pi, SQL server for Linux?!?!, ZFS on in ubuntu 16.10, linux gaming, etc. If there's something that someone's interested in talking about, reply to the list and we'll round table it as well... lots of times this turns into a topic. Someone (maybe Chuck) mentioned something about Flask... Afterwards we'll head to Tech Pizza (and if it's warm enough maybe Wooberry!) and keep the conversation going. I'd like to apologize for dropping the ball a bit lately, life's gotten hectic. I'm going to start working on getting some speakers lined up. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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