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MAJOR PLAN CHANGE!!! Meeting moved to Thursday Sept 15th!!!!
by Tim Keller Sept. 6, 2016

Sept. 6, 2016

Hey Gang, WPI's scheduling software decided that 8:30pm was close enough to 7pm... We're going to move the meeting to the 15th, so we can have a) a better choice of meeting rooms b) a more acceptable meeting time!! The topic is still going to be Docker, only now a week later! I'm still confirming with Will, but I figure it's better to get this out now then wait. Sorry for all the confusion. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Meeting THIS thursday (Sept 8th! 2016) Topic: Docker!
by Temple, William M Sept. 6, 2016

Sept. 6, 2016

Hello WLUG! Thanks for inviting me to give a talk on containers this Thursday. I'm a Senior at WPI and spent the last two summers working on container technologies at Red Hat under the Project Atomic/OpenShift banners. If you all are interested, topics for discussion could be: - Containers 101: Introduction & Motivations - Container Technologies -- docker -- Open Containers Initiative -- LXC, rkt, and others - Container Implementation -- namespaces -- cgroups -- security implications, comparison to Virtual Machines - Containers in Production (Kubernetes, etc.) - Containers in Consumer Environments (Flatpak, Snappy, etc.) If there are any other container-related topics you'd like to hear about, please just let me know and I can work them in. I'm mostly familiar with the Docker/OCI & Kubernetes orchestration stack, so I won't be able to go into technical details about other systems, but can give an overview if someone else wants to get into the weeds about any other container systems. Best, ~Will Temple -- William Temple '17 - B.Sc. Computer Science Worcester Polytechnic Institute President, Upsilon Pi Epsilon (Massachusetts Alpha Chapter) Senior Assistant, WPI Computer Science ________________________________ From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org> on behalf of Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 11:45:24 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] Meeting THIS thursday (Sept 8th! 2016) Topic: Docker! Hey Gang, We have a meeting in TWO days! Thursday Sept. 8th, 2016! Topic: Docker. What is it, why do you want it, what does it do, how can docker help you! Time: 7pm Location: Washburn Labs Room 323 Sorry for the short notice! There IS going to be talk about Docker! Logan's buddy Will, or me or Frank or some combination there in! Refreshments and Snacks will be provided! Note that this is being held in a different meeting place! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Meeting THIS thursday (Sept 8th! 2016) Topic: Docker!
by Tim Keller Sept. 6, 2016

Sept. 6, 2016

Hey Gang, We have a meeting in TWO days! Thursday Sept. 8th, 2016! Topic: Docker. What is it, why do you want it, what does it do, how can docker help you! Time: 7pm Location: Washburn Labs Room 323 Sorry for the short notice! There IS going to be talk about Docker! Logan's buddy Will, or me or Frank or some combination there in! Refreshments and Snacks will be provided! Note that this is being held in a different meeting place! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Meeting this Thu?
by Christopher Thompson Sept. 5, 2016

Sept. 5, 2016

BTW, I see an earlier offer from Logan that his roommate William Temple might give a talk on containers. I'd personally be interested in that, particularly if it gets into LXC or, say, the oft-underlying technology of cgroups. --Chris On 09/05/2016 05:55 PM, Christopher Thompson wrote: > Hi All! > > Been a good while since I've been able to come along, but I have a > possible opportunity to ride along there with a new friend. The meeting > is this Thu, correct? Any particular topics? > > Thanks in advance - looking forward to seeing you all, > Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Meeting this Thu?
by Christopher Thompson Sept. 5, 2016

Sept. 5, 2016

Hi All! Been a good while since I've been able to come along, but I have a possible opportunity to ride along there with a new friend. The meeting is this Thu, correct? Any particular topics? Thanks in advance - looking forward to seeing you all, Chris

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Reminder! Meeting tonight! Location: Campus Center Rm 129
by Tim Keller Aug. 18, 2016

Aug. 18, 2016

Hey Everybody! We've got a WLUG meeting tonight! When: August 18th, 2016 Topic: TBD ?Ansible? / BBQ / PGP Security (in light of Linus key spoof) Location: Campus Center Chairman's room (rm 129) I figure this will be an open topic meeting, I could also talk about ansible if people want. We'll also talk about the BBQ plans, etc. Like always there will be refreshments and we'll head over to Tech Pizza afterwards. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Reminder: August WLUG Meeting (Thursday August 18th!)
by Tim Keller Aug. 16, 2016

Aug. 16, 2016

Hey Everybody, Sorry for the short notice, we've got a meeting Thursday August 18th! Topic: TBD Location: Campus Center Chairman's room (Rm 129) Time: 7pm I figure this will be an open topic meeting, I could also talk about ansible if people want. We'll also talk about the BBQ plans, etc. Like always there will be refreshments and we'll head over to Tech Pizza afterwards. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] August BBQ
by Tim Keller Aug. 16, 2016

Aug. 16, 2016

I'm hearing a consensus for pushing the BBQ off till Sept. or Oct... Which means we're still going to have a meeting this Thursday! We've got room 129 in the campus center reserved. I'll put out a legitimate announcement. Thanks, Tim. On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Jon "maddog" Hall < jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I think a fall BBQ is a good idea. If it is a little cool you can put on > a sweatshirt or sweater. If it is too hot you can only take off so much, > and even less legally. > > md > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Eric Martin < > eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm busy the 18th, so I don't have much of an opinion. Granted I think >> one at WPI isn't a bad idea, nor is postponing. >> >> Sent from my Mobile, please excuse my brevity. >> >> On Aug 14, 2016, at 11:09 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> No official updates to the WLUG bbq... I'm open to ideas. My house is >> not suited to host a BBQ due to the ugly fact my grill is busted... >> >> One option might be to just postpone it and do an Autumn BBQ when it's >> not 1000 degrees outside. >> Another *crazy* option is if someone has a portable grill, either come to >> my house or check with WPI and have a BBQ on their quad. >> >> Feel free to chime in with your ideas! >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 5:32 PM, THE HAMMER <hammerron(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Any "official updates" yet as to time and location of WLUG BBQ? >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] August BBQ
by Jon "maddog" Hall Aug. 15, 2016

Aug. 15, 2016

Hi, I think a fall BBQ is a good idea. If it is a little cool you can put on a sweatshirt or sweater. If it is too hot you can only take off so much, and even less legally. md On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'm busy the 18th, so I don't have much of an opinion. Granted I think one > at WPI isn't a bad idea, nor is postponing. > > Sent from my Mobile, please excuse my brevity. > > On Aug 14, 2016, at 11:09 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > No official updates to the WLUG bbq... I'm open to ideas. My house is not > suited to host a BBQ due to the ugly fact my grill is busted... > > One option might be to just postpone it and do an Autumn BBQ when it's not > 1000 degrees outside. > Another *crazy* option is if someone has a portable grill, either come to > my house or check with WPI and have a BBQ on their quad. > > Feel free to chime in with your ideas! > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 5:32 PM, THE HAMMER <hammerron(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Any "official updates" yet as to time and location of WLUG BBQ? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Re: [Wlug] August BBQ
by Eric Martin Aug. 14, 2016

Aug. 14, 2016

I'm busy the 18th, so I don't have much of an opinion. Granted I think one at WPI isn't a bad idea, nor is postponing. Sent from my Mobile, please excuse my brevity. > On Aug 14, 2016, at 11:09 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > No official updates to the WLUG bbq... I'm open to ideas. My house is not suited to host a BBQ due to the ugly fact my grill is busted... > > One option might be to just postpone it and do an Autumn BBQ when it's not 1000 degrees outside. > Another *crazy* option is if someone has a portable grill, either come to my house or check with WPI and have a BBQ on their quad. > > Feel free to chime in with your ideas! > > Thanks, > Tim. > >> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 5:32 PM, THE HAMMER <hammerron(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> Any "official updates" yet as to time and location of WLUG BBQ? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] August BBQ
by Tim Keller Aug. 14, 2016

Aug. 14, 2016

No official updates to the WLUG bbq... I'm open to ideas. My house is not suited to host a BBQ due to the ugly fact my grill is busted... One option might be to just postpone it and do an Autumn BBQ when it's not 1000 degrees outside. Another *crazy* option is if someone has a portable grill, either come to my house or check with WPI and have a BBQ on their quad. Feel free to chime in with your ideas! Thanks, Tim. On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 5:32 PM, THE HAMMER <hammerron(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Any "official updates" yet as to time and location of WLUG BBQ? > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] A possible future talk
by Eric Martin Aug. 6, 2016

Aug. 6, 2016

I'm volunteering for a PGP Keysigning in October. Sent from my Mobile, please excuse my brevity. > On Aug 5, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm all for booking him for Sept!!! It sounds like a great talk! > > Later, > Tim. > >> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 2:59 PM, thinkbrown(a)gmail.com <thinkbrown(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> My roommate, William Temple has offered to give a talk on application containerization and container orchestration including some comparisons between current platforms (Docker, etc). Obviously we won't be having a talk in August, but would anybody be interested in hearing about this in September? >> >> >> Logan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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August BBQ
by THE HAMMER Aug. 5, 2016

Aug. 5, 2016

Any "official updates" yet as to time and location of WLUG BBQ?

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Re: [Wlug] A possible future talk
by Tim Keller Aug. 5, 2016

Aug. 5, 2016

I'm all for booking him for Sept!!! It sounds like a great talk! Later, Tim. On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 2:59 PM, thinkbrown(a)gmail.com <thinkbrown(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > My roommate, William Temple has offered to give a talk on application > containerization and container orchestration including some comparisons > between current platforms (Docker, etc). Obviously we won't be having a > talk in August, but would anybody be interested in hearing about this in > September? > > > Logan > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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A possible future talk
by thinkbrown＠gmail.com Aug. 5, 2016

Aug. 5, 2016

Hi all, My roommate, William Temple has offered to give a talk on application containerization and container orchestration including some comparisons between current platforms (Docker, etc). Obviously we won't be having a talk in August, but would anybody be interested in hearing about this in September? Logan

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Re: [Wlug] WLUG bbq aug 18?host?
by thinkbrown＠gmail.com July 28, 2016

July 28, 2016

We could always do it at WPI if nobody is able to host this year. They have grills that can be used for events and such, and I'm willing to do the grilling. On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Doug Mildram <dmildram(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Sounds good....although not at my house (I hosted some prior years). > -doug + maureen, peach + timber(dogs) will be bummed. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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WLUG bbq aug 18?host?
by Doug Mildram July 28, 2016

July 28, 2016

Sounds good....although not at my house (I hosted some prior years). -doug + maureen, peach + timber(dogs) will be bummed.

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Re: [Wlug] Linker error: DSO missing from command line
by Andy Stewart July 28, 2016

July 28, 2016

On 07/18/2016 07:41 AM, John Stoffel wrote: >>>>>> "Andy" == Andy Stewart <kb1oiq(a)mval.net> writes: > > Andy> On 07/16/2016 04:48 PM, John Stoffel wrote: >>> > John> So what if you just putt the following into the src/Makefile.am file: >>> > John> AM_LDFLAGS = \ > John> -lm HI John, I just got back from vacation and started work on this again. I think I did exactly what you noted in your instructions (below), and it still is not working for me. Is there any chance you could setup an Ubuntu 16.04 test in a VM to confirm that I'm not insane? >>> >>> > John> I put it after the AM_CPPFLAGS definition up top. Seemed to do what I > John> needed, but I haven't setup an Ubuntu 16.04 test VM yet to confirm. >>> >>> So I spun up a droplet on Digital Oceon running Ubuntu 16.04 and with >>> the above change, and the following steps, I got it to compile.... >>> >>> >>> # apt-get update >>> # apt-get install gcc libhamlib-dev make libgtk-dev libgtkextra-dev libglib2.0-dev libgtk2.0-dev >>> # wget http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/xlog/xlog-2.0.14beta.tar.gz >>> # tar xzf xlog-2.0.14beta.tar.gz >>> # cd xlog-2.0.14beta/ >>> # vi src/Makefile.am >>> >>> - added in AM_LDFLAGS = -lm >>> >>> # ./configure >>> # make >>> The error I am seeing is this one: /usr/bin/ld: gui_gtkprintdialog.o: undefined reference to symbol 'trunc@@GLIBC_2.2.5' /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6: error adding symbols: DSO missing from command line collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status Makefile:514: recipe for target 'xlog' failed This makes sense since the trunc function is needed by gui_gtkprintdialog.o. The link command is this one: gcc -g -O2 -Wall -Wno-unused-but-set-variable -Werror -lm -o xlog [many *.o files snipped] logfile/liblogfile.a -lgtk- x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -lpangocairo-1.0 -latk-1.0 -lcairo -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lgio-2.0 -lpangoft2-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject- 2.0 -lglib-2.0 -lfontconfig -lfreetype -L/usr/local/lib -lhamlib Notice where it put the "-lm". It should be right after -lhamlib but it isn't. When I cut / paste the link command and manually make that modification, the link is successful. I tried a different modification. I took out the AM_LDFLAGS entirely in src/Makefile.am, and then I modified the following line by appending "-lm". This worked(!) for me. xlog_LDADD = logfile/liblogfile.a \ @GTK_LIBS@ @HAMLIB_LIBS@ -lm Can you confirm that this fix also works for you? Thanks!! Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

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Re: [Wlug] Next Meeting BBQ? Possible change of date?
by thinkbrown＠gmail.com July 28, 2016

July 28, 2016

Well, unfortunately I live in a tiny college apartment, otherwise I'd be happy to offer. Unfortunately, I'll have to pass. On Jul 27, 2016 22:53, "Tim Keller" <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Okay, the next question is where to host it? > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 7:31 PM, THE HAMMER <hammerron(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> ...the 18th is fine with me also :) >> >> On 07/27/2016 12:20 PM, Tim Keller wrote: >> >> Hey Gang, >> >> So... I'm going to be on vacation for the next meeting... in fact I just >> got back from a different vacation. >> >> I was thinking we should do our BBQ this month... Would people be >> adverse to moving the meeting from the 11th to the 18th? >> >> Let me know. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing listWlug@mail.wlug.orghttp://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Re: [Wlug] Next Meeting BBQ? Possible change of date?
by Tim Keller July 28, 2016

July 28, 2016

Okay, the next question is where to host it? On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 7:31 PM, THE HAMMER <hammerron(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > ...the 18th is fine with me also :) > > On 07/27/2016 12:20 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > > Hey Gang, > > So... I'm going to be on vacation for the next meeting... in fact I just > got back from a different vacation. > > I was thinking we should do our BBQ this month... Would people be adverse > to moving the meeting from the 11th to the 18th? > > Let me know. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing listWlug@mail.wlug.orghttp://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Next Meeting BBQ? Possible change of date?
by THE HAMMER July 27, 2016

July 27, 2016

...the 18th is fine with me also :) On 07/27/2016 12:20 PM, Tim Keller wrote: Hey Gang, So... I'm going to be on vacation for the next meeting... in fact I just got back from a different vacation. I was thinking we should do our BBQ this month... Would people be adverse to moving the meeting from the 11th to the 18th? Let me know. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org<mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] Next Meeting BBQ? Possible change of date?
by thinkbrown＠gmail.com July 27, 2016

July 27, 2016

The 18th is totally fine by me. -L On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 5:17 PM, JeffA Maillists <jeffa.maillists(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The 18th works for me. > Jeff > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2016, 12:22 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hey Gang, >> >> So... I'm going to be on vacation for the next meeting... in fact I just >> got back from a different vacation. >> >> I was thinking we should do our BBQ this month... Would people be >> adverse to moving the meeting from the 11th to the 18th? >> >> Let me know. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Re: [Wlug] Next Meeting BBQ? Possible change of date?
by JeffA Maillists July 27, 2016

July 27, 2016

The 18th works for me. Jeff On Wed, Jul 27, 2016, 12:22 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > So... I'm going to be on vacation for the next meeting... in fact I just > got back from a different vacation. > > I was thinking we should do our BBQ this month... Would people be adverse > to moving the meeting from the 11th to the 18th? > > Let me know. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Re: [Wlug] Next Meeting BBQ? Possible change of date?
by Sweetser, Frank E July 27, 2016

July 27, 2016

No conflicts here for me. Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org> on behalf of Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 12:20:59 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] Next Meeting BBQ? Possible change of date? Hey Gang, So... I'm going to be on vacation for the next meeting... in fact I just got back from a different vacation. I was thinking we should do our BBQ this month... Would people be adverse to moving the meeting from the 11th to the 18th? Let me know. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Next Meeting BBQ? Possible change of date?
by Tim Keller July 27, 2016

July 27, 2016

Hey Gang, So... I'm going to be on vacation for the next meeting... in fact I just got back from a different vacation. I was thinking we should do our BBQ this month... Would people be adverse to moving the meeting from the 11th to the 18th? Let me know. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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