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XEmacs question - gnuserv/gnuclient
by Andy Stewart May 24, 2001

May 24, 2001

HI gang, I'm running XEmacs 21.1.8 and am playing with gnuserv/gnuclient. Within XEmacs, I do M-x gnuserv-start (which seems OK). In a terminal window on the same machine, I type gnuclient and another XEmacs window pops up quite quickly (as I expect). However, I can't get this to work from another machine on my home network. I played with the xauth stuff and also tried setting the GNU_SECURE environment variable to no avail. Clearly I've done something wrong but I don't know what. Can somebody walk me through the steps? I'm expecting that if I run gnuserv on machine 'tux' that I can set the security so that I can access that gnuserv process from machine 'andypc' by typing the correct incantation of the gnuclient command on 'andypc'. Thanks in advance, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Hostname
by Michael Long May 22, 2001

May 22, 2001

Thanks for the help with realaudio. Now it is working fine. My next question concerns how the hostname is published. When I look at the DHCP clients table provided by my router software the windoze boxes have published their hostname correctly but my linux box has published an incorrrect name. When I look at /etc/HOSTNAME the name is 'zeus' however then name that shows up in the clients table is '80'. What am I missing? thx, --mike

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Question about employment opportunities
by Pierce C. Barnard May 22, 2001

May 22, 2001

Hi, I recently re-subscribed to the WLUG users newsletter. I would like to address the following question to all of the network administrators who are members of the WLUG: 1.) What is the best way to become a system administrator? 2.) What exact skills does an employer look for in a perspective client to be a system administrator? 3.) What advice and experience can you share with me? Thank you for your time.

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Re: Wlug digest, Vol 1 #64 - 2 msgs
by Jim Stith May 21, 2001

May 21, 2001

compaq deskpro - the sequel; i have a viewsonic e771 monitor connected to the deskpro. i checked viewsonic's specs and found horizontal range 30-70khz vertical range 50-120hz both are what rh 70 installs and it does find the 771 although it is called e771-2 by rh. video card is a matrox mellinnium g200(generic) which is correct. i am using 16 bit 800x600. the pop sound is more like the monitor shutting off than any sort of safety device. the reason i want to install graphics is that i want to use webmin for configuration of samba apache etc. i am assuming that graphics has to be installed to use webmin. any other suggestions based on the info. above would be appreciated. thanks jim s. wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > > Message: 1 > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] compaq deskpro > From: Josh Huber <huber(a)alum.wpi.edu> > Date: 17 May 2001 15:00:50 -0400 > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Jim Stith <stith2(a)earthlink.net> writes: > > [snip] > > In addition to what other people are saying, I have to ask -- why > would you want to install X on a server? > > Save disk space, save memory, and keep things simple. If the console > works, just use it. :) > > -- > Josh Huber > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 07:30:32 -0400 > From: doug waud <douglas.waud(a)umassmed.edu> > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] compaq deskpro > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Hi > > > everything loads fine but when the system tries to go into x and give me > > a login screen, the monitor makes a poping sound and the screen goes > > blank. > > As several responses have indicated already, you are probably driving > the monitor at the wrong frequency. This can be very dangerous (you > can cook a monitor this way) but perhaps not in your case since that > "popping sound" is probably the monitor being new enough to cut itself > off when mistreated. > > In any case, what you have to do is find out the allowable hsync and > vsync > frequencies of the monitor. Since the computer is second hand (I assume) > you may not have the manual. In that case, look on the monitor for some > sort of manufacturer/model number and feed that into google. With luck > and a bit of poking around you should be able to find a spec sheet or > table and get the hsync and vsync frequencies (I found Compaq was not > too shabby when faced with the same issue with my daughter's computer > and a Linux install). Once you have those values, you can tell the > install program what to use (I don't use Red Hat, so I can't give you > chapter and verse here; XF86Config is more generic but a tad cryptic. > If you have to go the latter route, feel free to touch base with me > (probably directly to save traffic to the whole group) and we can, > if necessary, walk through the various steps in XF86Config. > > Incidentally, I vaguely remember that my daughter's Compaq (a Presario) > had a bastard video chip which confused SuSE 6.3 but which 7.0 was > able to deal with. I suspect your box is old enough that this will > not be a problem. > > Finally, Compaq is good about providing manuals. I went into google > and entered compaq deskpro and got to the Compaq site > > which, in turn, had a link to a downloadable pdf manual. > > I suspect you may have to be a bit more specific as to model of > compaq deskpro but you should be able to get the equivalent for > your particular box. Ditto for monitor. This way you can give > the install program hints as to both the video chip and the > sync frequencies. > > Hope this helps a little. > > > i have been going through the faq's and the only thing i have found out > > is that compaq did some strange things around the mbr. > > I don't think this is anywhere near the mbr. > > doug > > PS I agree with John Huber's point that X is unnecessary (and perhaps > even in the way) on a server. However, I can also understand why you > might > want to get X going simply because, like Mount Everest, it's there :-) > > -- > Douglas R Waud > 17 Lantern Lane, Shrewsbury, MA, 01545-2006 > http://www.ummed.edu/pub/d/drw/ >

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New WLUG website
by Andy Stewart May 20, 2001

May 20, 2001

HI everybody, The WLUG website has been moved to a new location. I'd like to thank Rob Bellville for hosting the WLUG website for us for the last 3.5 years! Unfortunately, the ISP that Rob was using is "going away" so the site needed a new home. Chuck Anderson has volunteered to host the WLUG website on his machine - thanks, Chuck! I will still maintain my role to keep the site up to date with meeting announcements and such. The change should be totally transparent to all of you. You will continue to access the site via: http://www.wlug.org You will know if you are seeing the new site since it says "**NEW**" near the top. As the DNS change is propagated around the Internet, eventually you'll all see the new site. Don't freak out if you don't catch the new site immediately...they both have identical content. I won't remove the files from the old site just yet until we're sure that the transition has been completed successfully. If you have problems accessing the site, please let me know. Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Partition
by colin＠localhost.localdomain May 19, 2001

May 19, 2001

Thanks for the feedback. Resized the WinFAT32 partition successfully (lost no data). Linux partitions expanded (required reformatting that did wipe data.) System appears to remain stable. Colin

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RealPlayer and Linksys
by Michael Long May 19, 2001

May 19, 2001

I have configured several boxes at home behind a Linksys router #BEFSR81. Both my windoze and linux boxes are able to connect through the router however Realaudio only connects through the router successfully on my windoze box. On the linux box I have installed it successfully but cannot get get it to connect through the router. What should I be looking at in order to solve this? I tried looking at preferences and tried Auto-Configure to no avail. Unfortunately I do not know what RTSP or PNA is or how to use it. Any help will be greatly appreciated. thx, mike

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Shifting partitions?
by gwlt＠ma.ultranet.com May 19, 2001

May 19, 2001

A fast question: Anyone have experience with the stability of and general wisdom of shifting the Linux partition on a hard drive on a dual boot machine? I am trying to upgrade to a newer kernel and am presented with not enough memory on the Linux side of the drive. Encountered error message: <<An error occurred. Tour system has not enough space left for installation or upgrade (366821583>188726600)>> If the endeavor is too risky I can sacrifice the current Linux install, wipe the partition and install from scratch. (That does undermine the whole benefit of purchasing the proprietary upgrade package though.) Thanks. Colin

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compaq deskpro
by Jim Stith May 18, 2001

May 18, 2001

well here goes... i got an old compaq deskpro (yes, a stupid mistake... but it was cheap) and wanted to load red hat 7.0 on it and possibly use the deskpro as a intranet server so that i could learn how to set a server up. everything loads fine but when the system tries to go into x and give me a login screen, the monitor makes a poping sound and the screen goes blank. same thing with mandrake and caldera. the screen stays blank. i have gone into the bios and disabled pnp and energy saver but that does not help. i have been going through the faq's and the only thing i have found out is that compaq did some strange things around the mbr. i have no other options open to me and would appreciate any help anyone can give concerning this. thanks jim s.

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newbie seeks help with kernel upgrade
by Dan Crooks May 17, 2001

May 17, 2001

Hi, and thank you in advance for your patience. This deals with upgrading kernel In attempting to install vmware 2.0 in Red Hat 6.2, I was notified that I needed an upgrade to RH6.2 kernel. While trying to install the kernel upgrade with rpm I received error messages: 1) failed dependencies: rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0.1 is needed by kernel-2.2.19-6.2.1 2) mount < 2.10r conflicts with kernel-2.2... 3) nfs-utils < 0.3.1 conflicts with kernel-2.2... I understand that I can ignore the conflicts (2,3) by specifying --replacefiles in the rpm command. I decided to upgrade rpm assuming that rpmlib would be included. Using gnorpm I downloaded rpm 4.0-4 and received another error: only packages with major numbers <=3 are supported by this release of rpm. Presumably this message is issued by the currently version of rpm 3.0.4-0.48. This may be a red herring and not important as I continued. I used ncftp to download by specifying "mget rpm-*.rpm" and received four files rpm-4.0.2-6x.i386.rpm, also -build-, -devel-, -python- from RH site. When I tried to install rpm-4.0.2-6x I received an error: failed dependency libdb-3.1.so. Where can I find libdb? How could I determine that for myself if I run into another dependency? Do you have any suggestions/recommendations regarding updating kernel? I am using instructions retrieved from RH titled "Upgrading the Linus Kernel on Red Hat Linux systems" by Red Hat Support last updated 2000 May 17 -- Thank you, Dan Crooks

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sorry about that
by Dan Crooks May 17, 2001

May 17, 2001

I put it on the WLUG WWWBoard, where it obviously belongs. Sorry for the inconvenience. -- Thank you, Dan Crooks

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REMINDER: Meeting Wednesday, May 16th, 7:00 PM
by Andy Stewart May 14, 2001

May 14, 2001

Hi everybody, This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting, to be held in Kinnicutt Hall (a.k.a the usual place) at WPI at 7:00 PM on Wednesday, May 16h. The topic for discussion will be the practical use of IPCHAINS. What does that mean? This meeting, Doug Waud and I will present to you ways to use IPCHAINS to implement a firewall. This is not theory, this is practice...what to type, what it does, and why. This talk will build on the more detailed information presented by Bob Ziegler at our last meeting. Doug will start with a presentation of the simpler case of getting a firewall up which supports masquerading (that is, getting multiple machines on your home network to share one IP address, as you would for cable modem, for example), e-mail, and browsing. I will follow up with more detailed examples of IPCHAINS code from my own firewall script for allowing certain services through the firewall to the home network. Although firewalling is a complex topic, we're hoping to distill out of that complexity enough information so that a person can get started toward implementing a secure firewall. I'm looking forward to a good turnout at this meeting. Come on down! Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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RE: [Wlug] charter.net & ssh
by Keller, Tim May 10, 2001

May 10, 2001

Bill, Try doing a traceroute on port 22 to your machine and see where along the line it get stopped. It's probably a default security thing they have setup, you could probably call up tech support and have them remove the blocks for specific ports... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Mills-Curran [mailto:bcurran@clariion.com] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:30 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] charter.net & ssh I got my new Charter cable modem and Linksys router set up recently, but I find that Charter seems to be blocking inbound access. I've the the sshd running, and I set the router to pass port 22 to my linux box. I can even connect if I ssh outbound to the router DHCP address, so it looks like my end of the configuration is correct. Anybody experience anything like this? Do you think that Charter will allow incoming requests to my system? TIA, Bill _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] charter.net & ssh
by Keller, Tim May 10, 2001

May 10, 2001

Bill, I make it to the same point. Looks like the 10.254.1.2 is the gateway onto that segment of Ethernet, this would indicate that they do blocking at the router (at least to me and i'm not a network expert...) Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Mills-Curran [mailto:bcurran@clariion.com] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:09 PM To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' Subject: RE: [Wlug] charter.net & ssh Tim, It never makes it. BTW, if you're looking to try this yourself, I've turned off the forwarding on my router. I probably should have left it on so that I could work with the Charter people. Bill traceroute to 24.240.184.215 (24.240.184.215), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 clar45sec (128.221.45.11) 0.870 ms 0.892 ms 0.829 ms 2 sobo-clariion-gw.us.dg.com (128.221.35.65) 1.238 ms 0.740 ms 0.829 ms 3 webo-atm-oc3.us.dg.com (128.221.35.61) 1.851 ms 1.232 ms 1.286 ms 4 128.221.22.60 (128.221.22.60) 1.408 ms 1.063 ms 1.791 ms 5 128.221.4.66 (128.221.4.66) 1.141 ms 1.629 ms 1.113 ms 6 128.221.23.23 (128.221.23.23) 1.917 ms 1.076 ms 1.113 ms 7 us-customs2.us.dg.com (128.221.131.14) 1.580 ms 1.613 ms 2.193 ms 8 uunet-gw.us.dg.com (128.221.122.1) 3.197 ms 2.035 ms 1.939 ms 9 500.Serial4-1-0.GW3.BOS1.ALTER.NET (157.130.222.33) 3.365 ms 3.313 ms 3.132 ms 10 196.ATM2-0.XR1.BOS1.ALTER.NET (152.63.25.122) 3.839 ms 3.410 ms 3.814 ms 11 191.ATM7-0.GW3.BOS1.ALTER.NET (146.188.177.209) 3.342 ms 3.221 ms 3.449 ms 12 hsa-noxford-t3.customer.alter.net (157.130.220.226) 5.158 ms 5.753 ms 5.425 ms 13 24-216-218-3.hsacorp.net (24.216.218.3) 5.489 ms 5.842 ms 6.198 ms 14 10.254.1.2 (10.254.1.2) 6.192 ms 9.664 ms 6.756 ms 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * * 21 * * * 22 * * * 23 * * * 24 * * * 25 * * * 26 * * * 27 * * * 28 * * * 29 * * * 30 * * * On Thu, 10 May 2001, Keller, Tim wrote: > Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:30:26 -0400 > From: "Keller, Tim" <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: "'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org'" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Subject: RE: [Wlug] charter.net & ssh > > Bill, > > Try doing a traceroute on port 22 to your machine and see where along the > line it get stopped. > > It's probably a default security thing they have setup, you could probably > call up tech support and have them remove the blocks for specific ports... > > Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Mills-Curran [mailto:bcurran@clariion.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:30 AM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: [Wlug] charter.net & ssh > > > I got my new Charter cable modem and Linksys router set up recently, > but I find that Charter seems to be blocking inbound access. I've the > the sshd running, and I set the router to pass port 22 to my linux > box. I can even connect if I ssh outbound to the router DHCP address, > so it looks like my end of the configuration is correct. > > Anybody experience anything like this? Do you think that Charter will > allow incoming requests to my system? > > TIA, > Bill > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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charter.net & ssh
by Bill Mills-Curran May 10, 2001

May 10, 2001

I got my new Charter cable modem and Linksys router set up recently, but I find that Charter seems to be blocking inbound access. I've the the sshd running, and I set the router to pass port 22 to my linux box. I can even connect if I ssh outbound to the router DHCP address, so it looks like my end of the configuration is correct. Anybody experience anything like this? Do you think that Charter will allow incoming requests to my system? TIA, Bill

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remote backup...
by Marc Hughes May 10, 2001

May 10, 2001

Hey Guys, I have a dedicated web server that I need to backup (entirely). Unfortunately there's not enough room for me to make a tar archive on the machine, and there's no tape drive either in the machine or at that facility that we can efficiently use. We get charged for bandwidth usage, so I would like to compress the backup before it comes over the wire. Also, this is a one time deal, so I can't go spending massive amounts of cash on some commercial backup software. Any Suggestions? -Marc

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CDMA compatible phone and Linux...
by Keller, Tim May 10, 2001

May 10, 2001

Hey Everybody, Has anybody ever had any luck getting a CDMA phone (Motorola StarTAC) to work with Linux? I went looking and found software that would let you alter the phone-book on the phone, but didn't do anything about dialing. I'm figuring its either a) shows up like a Hayes device (which would be wonderful) or b) it uses some totally undocumented proprietary protocol I'll be forced to reverse engineer... Tim.

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Hope this is the right list...
by rlapp＠WPI.EDU May 7, 2001

May 7, 2001

Hey guys, I know there are two lists, one for questions and one for announcements, hope this is the right one. Here is the question, hopefully someone knows or can point me to a good resource. I have the following system: Athlon TB 750, 256meg, ABIT KT7 RAID 2x20gig Hard Drives on RAID 0 Striping - Win2k Server Installed. (hde&hdf) 1x13 gig HD With Linux Mandrake 8.0 Installed. (hda) 1x60 gig HD for data. (hdb) I would like to have LILO come up first and then give me the option of booting to the Windows RAID Drives. However, if I boot to my 13 gig drive from the BIOS, and have LILO come up I can not get it to boot to the windows partitition. I have put in the entries to lilo.conf to boot to (hde) But that didnt work, /sbin/lilo gives errors (dont have them in front of me now:( ) I also tried to point it towards hdf, but that gave errors saying no valid boot sector etc. Sooo now in order to boot both OSs I need to have the BIOS load the RAID array as the default, and use a floppy to boot to linux. I can only think that lilo is having a problem knowing what drive to point to to load up windows since it is a raid array... This make sense? Thanks! Bill Bill

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Local LDAP consultants?
by Rob Bellville May 7, 2001

May 7, 2001

Anyone know of any local LDAP (OpenLDAP) consultants? -- Rob Rob Bellville Millbury Public Schools Millbury, MA 01527

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Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meetings - topic proposals
by Doug Chamberlin May 7, 2001

May 7, 2001

At 5/7/2001 01:13 PM (Monday), Scott Venier wrote: >A VPN is a good idea. PPTP, however, isn't. I highly recomend using some >other VPN setup, if at all possible. PPTP on linux doesn't excatly give >you a rock solid network conneciton. But, if you have no other options, >there are both a client and a server for linux. The server is called >PoPToP. Search freshmeat for it. The client lives at >http://merced.needsabeating.com/pptp.html. A meeting which discussed non-PPTP VPN setups would be great!

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Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meetings - topic proposals
by Peter Gutowski May 7, 2001

May 7, 2001

Well, so far it's not been a problem, although I keep a close watch on suspicious activity. (You'll notice entries for hosts allow and hosts deny. So far that seems to be pretty effective, although I do notice twits trying to access and being denied): hosts allow = 192.168.3.0/255.255.255.224 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0 128.119.216.0/255.255.255.0 216.175.212.192/255.255.255.240 hosts deny = all # <- no other machines can access Perhaps you could suggest conf options that allows [incoming] connections, but don't broadcast availability (i.e. is 'invicible' to all but people that know that that machine is a smb server). As I said, I'm not samba expert! (BTW, my wife accesses the system from her computer at UMass) On Monday, May 7, 2001 11:01 AM, Keller, Tim <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> wrote: >Hey I was looking at the sample smb.conf file (and I've set up a bunch of >samba servers as well) and I saw something odd (well odd for >me) > >-- start cut -- ># Configure Samba to use multiple interfaces ># If you have multiple network interfaces then you must list them ># here. See the man page for details. >interfaces = 192.168.3.1 24.91.122.146 >-- end cut -- > >>From a home network point of view, why would you want samba to bind to your >external (24.xx...) address? Maybe I'm doing something wrong? > >I personally add rules to my firewall to block outgoing and incoming SMB >traffic to the outside world. SMB as a protocol goes (if you could call it >that) tends to tell the world more then one would want... > >Tim. -- Peter Gutowski <peter(a)linuxchamps.com> // tel.: (413) 587-3957 "When in company, put not your hands to any part of the body not usually discovered." --George Washington, _Rules for Civility and Decent Behavior_

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RE: [Wlug] Upcoming meetings - topic proposals
by Keller, Tim May 7, 2001

May 7, 2001

Hey I was looking at the sample smb.conf file (and I've set up a bunch of samba servers as well) and I saw something odd (well odd for me) -- start cut -- # Configure Samba to use multiple interfaces # If you have multiple network interfaces then you must list them # here. See the man page for details. interfaces = 192.168.3.1 24.91.122.146 -- end cut --

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more lp0
by gwlt＠ma.ultranet.com May 7, 2001

May 7, 2001

Andy, Thank you for the leads. I genuinely appreciate all of your time. I have been trying to chase the leads down. When I: ps ax | grep lpd I get: 419 ? S 0:00 lpd 906 pts/0 S 0:00 grep lpd It appears that I have the older file nomenclature of conf.modules and not modules.conf. It should work just the same though. Under modprobe -c I get a note: Note: /etc/conf.modules is more recent than /lib/modules/2.2.15-4mdk/modules.dep In the listing that follows I do have: alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc alias char-major-6 lp There is nothing for parport or lp under "options", Under "commands" I have: pre-install plip modprobe parport_pc ; echo 7 > /proc/parport/0/irq I have to be honest with you and say that I am not sure what that actually means for the system mounting of appropriate the modules or not. Does this mean anything particular to you? Anyone else familiar with the difficulty? Assistance is enormously appreciated. Colin

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Upcoming meetings - topic proposals
by Andy Stewart May 7, 2001

May 7, 2001

HI everybody, For our next meeting, I would like to have somebody finish the thread from the last meeting or two by explaining the contents of their firewall script and why the series of ipchains commands works for them. This might be helpful to folks who are either considering implementing a firewall or who want to understand the canned script that they got from wherever. My idea for a subsequent meeting was to have a newbie meeting as we haven't had one in quite some time. One idea I had was to discuss a shell: a) bash - scripting, command line "tricks" perhaps go over a "real" script, such as a startup script in /etc/init.d/wherever... Another idea would be to discuss the use of digital cameras with Linux. Are there other topics people would like to see? Are there volunteers to take on these topics? Perhaps there is a topic more interesting to you? Thanks in advance for your input, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meetings - topic proposals
by Peter Gutowski May 7, 2001

May 7, 2001

Tom, Your comments indicate a distinct need. For now, you might be interested in checking out my sample commented smb.conf file at: http://www.linuxchamps.com/docs/samba/smbconf.html I'm not a samba expert by any means, but have been enough around the block with it to make it work. HTH. On Monday, May 7, 2001 8:27 AM, Thomas Carey <tcarey70(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >Andy, >The Firewall topic sounds great. First off, I am a newbie (been >toying around with Linux for the last year and a half off and >on), and want to increase my Linux knowledge. I have been >successful in setting up Linux as a web server, and as an FTP >server. The one thing I have been unable to get working is >Samba file and print services. I would love to have someone >show me the proper way to get this up and running. I am >currently using RH7 (for the server), and Win98SE for the >client machine. I would be willing to bring those machines, as >well as a small hub for us to work on. This is a feature of Linux that I really want to use. >Thanks for your time. > >Tom Carey > > -- Peter Gutowski <peter(a)linuxchamps.com> // tel.: (413) 587-3957 "When in company, put not your hands to any part of the body not usually discovered." --George Washington, _Rules for Civility and Decent Behavior_

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