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NIC's, 486's and a whole lot of frustration.
by Tim Trachimowicz Sept. 25, 2001

Sept. 25, 2001

Hey folks... Ok, I have a beat up Compaq ProLinea 486/50MHz, 16MB RAM, 120MB hard drive, a D-Link 220 NIC and a spare IP addres from my DSL provider. I just installed a fresh Slackware 3.5 install of the "A" and "N" disks. My goal is to set it up as a webserver to host a few web pages I've been working on. Now, I've used Linux before, in my other computer using a Win98/RH6 dual boot system, so I've got a basic understanding of what's going on. However, I was using a modem to get online at that time and everything was all well and good for what I was doing. Now, I'm clueless about setting up this sh-tbox for what I want to do with it. Here are my questions: 1) Is it worth it/can it be done? (This would defintely affect the rest of the questions...) 2) How the hell do I set up my NIC for DSL? I have tried to setup my NIC per some FAQ's, O'Reilly's Running Linux (2nd Edition), Usenet posts and a lame HOWTO from my DSL provider. They all seem to advocate different steps which is confusing and doesn't seem to work.

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coyote linux floppy distro
by Benjamin Zack Sept. 24, 2001

Sept. 24, 2001

Another floppy distro one could use is Coyote Linux. It appears to have a more recent version of the kernel (2.2.19) than the versions of LRP I found(2.2.16). It is based on LRP and has easy install scripts that walk you through the disk creation. There is also a disk creation tool that will run on Windows. It might be worth checking out. FYI, both the Coyote and, I believe, LRP contain exploitable versions of ip_masq_irc, ip_masq_ftp, ip_masq_raudio. Links: http://www.dalantech.com/coyote-faq.shtml#vulnerable http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/3117 -Ben

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one last (maling list) hurrah for USA
by Jeff Reed Sept. 20, 2001

Sept. 20, 2001

i would personally like to thank the JINX hackwear company for sincerely expressing exactly how i feel on their front page... check it out... http://www.jinxhackwear.com/ -- //-- Jeff Reed //-- Co-founder / Odd (Job) Guy //-- Metro West Boston Linux User Group //-- jreed(a)linuxbusca.com

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make bzdisk
by cc.noyes Sept. 17, 2001

Sept. 17, 2001

I downloaded the 2.4.9 kernel and built myself a new, up to date kernel, which works fine. I can run 'make bzdisk' and it dd's the kernel to the floppy. When I try to boot the floppy, I get loading ............................................... (lots of dots...) followed by these numbers; 0400 AX:0212 BX:7400 CX:5009 DX:0000 These repeat until I reboot with out the floppy. What's going on???? make bzdisk used to work, should I use another command to create a bootable floppy with the kernel? Thanks, Chuck

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startup scripts & pid
by Bill Mills-Curran Sept. 17, 2001

Sept. 17, 2001

I'm installing an ircd variant (ircd-hybrid-7) on a server at work. I didn't find an rpm for this newer version, so one of the people in my group built it. However, there is no startup script, so we'll have to cook one ourselves. I have a question about storing the pid in /var/run. Does one of the common functions in the functions script (/etc/rc.d/init.d/functions) handle storing the pid, or is that something that most daemons have built-in? I've found shell code for killing processes using the pid from /var/run, but nothing for storing the pid. Another question... Is there a decent template for writing our own script? I hate to reinvent the wheel. (I never seem to get it very round.) Any suggestions? Thanks, Bill

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Re: Laptop recommendations
by Robert L Krawitz Sept. 13, 2001

Sept. 13, 2001

I found an HP Pavilion 5470 for $1500 at Circuit City. It was a return. It's only 1024x768, which is less than I want (although it is a 15" display), but with 256 MB, the price, and the combo CDRW/DVD drive, it looked awfully appealing. I have 14 days to decide whether to keep it (there's no restocking fee, since it was an open box). It has a non-Lucent lusemodem. The processor is an Athlon 4/1GHz, for what little that's worth; it's way, way cheaper than anything similar on Pricewatch. According to http://www.deater.net/john/PavilionN5430.html, it's possible to run Linux on it, albeit it uses a not very well supported Trident chipset, among other things. Is anyone familiar with this laptop? Comments? -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/ Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print/stp -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

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Unable to obtain an IP
by Eric Frederick Sept. 13, 2001

Sept. 13, 2001

I reinstalled Redhat 7.1 on my computer at school and I am unable to connect to the internet. I have only been using Linux for about 7-8 months and I am still a novice. When I was using Redhat 7.1 last spring, it worked fine. I am using a 3com Etherlink card (the driver is 3c905c-tx in windows) and my computer seems to detect it correctly. However, it is using the 3com59* driver. I tried to switch to the driver to 3com90*, but my computer stopped recognizing the card so I doubt it is a driver problem. (Plus, it was using the same driver last spring.) I also tried pump -i eth0 and it failed. Also, I entered an IP hoping that it would pick something up but that does not work either. Does anyone know what could be done to resolve the problem or at least direct me somewhere. Thanks, Eric

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lost in kernel
by Brad Noyes Sept. 12, 2001

Sept. 12, 2001

Hi all, Has anyone else had trouble finding an option in the kerel config? I was looking for support for /dev/imon (for libfam), but i just can't find it in the kernel config. The kernel has become huge, and hard to find things in. anyone have an easy way of looking for an option in the kernel, or does anyone where this /dev/imon option is in the kernel? Thanks, --Brad

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boot images -- safe to delete?
by Bill Mills-Curran Sept. 10, 2001

Sept. 10, 2001

I tried to upgrade to RedHat 7.1 tonight, and I found that I do not have enough disk space on /. So I have 3 options: 1. Fresh install 2. Repartition 3. Clean up As much as I'd like to repartition, I'm not sure enough of myself to plow into that, although I'd like to hear what tricks there might be that would make it easy (easier?) to do. One thing I've noticed is that I seem to have extra kernels around, but I thought I'd see if there is any reason I need to keep them before I whack them. Here's what I have: ls -l vm* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1621659 Aug 22 2000 vmlinux-2.2.16-22 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1739279 Aug 22 2000 vmlinux-2.2.16-22smp lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Apr 16 22:51 vmlinuz ->vmlinuz-2.2.16-22smp -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 627379 Aug 22 2000 vmlinuz-2.2.16-22 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 654459 Aug 22 2000 vmlinuz-2.2.16-22smp My lilo has: cat /etc/lilo.conf boot=/dev/sda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b prompt timeout=50 default=linux message=/boot/message linear image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.16-22smp label=linux initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.16-22smp.img read-only root=/dev/sda1 image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.16-22 label=linux-up initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.16-22.img read-only root=/dev/sda1 So, I can get of the uncompressed kernel images, right? BTW, when considering my options for repartitioning, I do have a DAT drive for backup/restore ops. Thanks, Bill

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Linux Journal article by Rick Gorton
by Andy Stewart Sept. 10, 2001

Sept. 10, 2001

Hi gang, Check out the August 2001 Linux Journal article on page 22 entitled "Kernel Tuning Gives 40% Gains" by Rick Gorton. The article describes work that was done to the Alpha specific portions of the Linux kernel to optimize its behavior for the 21264 (EV6) Alpha processor. Rick has attended many WLUG meetings in the past. Way to go, Rick! Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

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REMINDER: Meeting, Wed. Sept. 12th
by Andy Stewart Sept. 10, 2001

Sept. 10, 2001

HI everybody, This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting, to be held this Wednesday, Sept. 12th, at 7 PM in Kinnicutt Hall on the WPI campus. Directions can be found on the WLUG website. I would like to spend part of the meeting discussing a potential group project. I was contacted by Warren Rasmussen, the Director of the Lancaster (MA) Center for the Aging. He would like to convert several of his office computers from Windoze to Linux, with shared printers, network, shared dialup modem, etc. Warren would also like us to entertain the notion of the creation of a few Linux workstations to be used by senior citizens for e-mail and web surfing, again, using Linux. Some training of the seniors would be required. He'd like to see if we can prove that Linux is easy enough for seniors to use. I have invited Warren to the meeting, so we can get more details from him at that time, and then gauge the interest level of the group in participating in this project. Since the WPI school year has just started, I would like to take the opportunity to introduce any WPI Linux Association officers who might be in attendance. I also plan to open the floor for tech support questions aimed at the group membership. I may still have an item or two that I can bring for a raffle. Afterwards, we'll adjourn to the Boynton Restaurant for some pizza and beer, and all are welcome to attend. See ya later, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

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Prelinker...
by Keller, Tim Sept. 7, 2001

Sept. 7, 2001

Hey All, This popped up on the Mandrake-expert mailing list so I thought I'd pass it along... http://www.research.att.com/~leonb/objprelink/ Enjoy... Tim.

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Anyone played around with Linux on iPaq?
by Dan Potter Sept. 6, 2001

Sept. 6, 2001

I recently perchased an iPAQ from Compaq, and as many probably already know, there is a Linux distro for iPAQ. Anyone have any experience with it? Suggestions? Thanks!

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RHL 7.1 upgrade: Xterm bizarre, etc
by Peter Gutowski Sept. 6, 2001

Sept. 6, 2001

Although *installing* linux from RedHat disks has improved over the years, I still find that upgrading an existing installation can really try your patience. After doing a number of clean installs using the RedHat 7.1 disks, I felt comfortable thinking I could upgrade without much problem. Wrongo. There are a number of things that changed. Some I had know about from the previous clean installs. Others came as a distressing surprize: for instance the sendmail upgrade changes default behavior radically in that it is compiled against the tcpwrappers library, so now you need to consider sendmail entries in your hosts.allow and hosts.deny. Actually, that's a great idea, but I sure wish I knew that before hand (rather than bouncing mail for 2 days until I discovered the problem.) Anyway, I could go on detailing some of these fascinating experiences, but I'll get to the point: my xterm seems to be bizarre when running on the local xserver. I usually don't run xdm (runlevel 5 default in RedHat) but just do a startx. When I do that everything seems pretty OK until I actually try to *do* something. I click on the Netscape icon in the panel on the bottom of the screen. Nothing. I launch an xterm to try to figure out what's happening (or not, in this case) and it just gets worse: the keys don't seem to be matched up to the correct characters. When I press the 'o' key, I get a 'p' on the screen. When I press 'i', I get 'o'. In general it seems like the whole keyboard is just slid over by 1 key -- but I can't seem to find a key that gives me an return or enter. As you can imagine this is annoying. I use Hummingbird Xceed on a windoze machine and the Xterm there running from the linux machine seems to be problem free. (Actually, that's how I usually "use" my linux machine -- I very rarely sit down in front of it.) When I do sit in front of it and use a plain tty, it's fine that way too. Any ideas what's going on here? -Peter Gutowski

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Fwd: Sympathy for a guy over his head
by Colin Novick Sept. 6, 2001

Sept. 6, 2001

Thoughts from wisened pros? Now more than ever I need to migrate to Linux. I am using a dual boot system MS/Linux and I desperately want to cut the cord. Previously the difficulty was an inability to print. Newest guess on that is that there is a possible conflict with lpd and CUPS running at the same time? I have yet to unpack how one goes about fixing that. Most recent challenge was to get a network connection established between two machines on 3Com cards on a 3Com box. Didn't quite get my hands around that, though many different angles were tried. Current thinking on this one is to look around and see if SAMBA might let me configure things. And then I really messed things up. While trying to establish a network I saw this neat option that lets machines share an internet connection, and I pursued it.... After playing around for a while I disabled it and now the Internet connection will not properly execute the ppp. I can manually get all the way through the logon in a Terminal session and when I get to: Entering PPP Session IP address is 216.164.248.83 MTU is 1500 There is nowhere to go from here. Leave it alone and it disconnects. Try to do anything, any key, and gobbledygook shows up killing any prospect of a PPP session completing. Possible that the system "enabling IPv4 packet forwarding" on startup is some leftover from my messing around with sharing an internet connection? No idea on that one. All right. It is necessary to screw around and make mistakes to learn. I am excelling at that, and probably do now know more. The difficulty is that I have never seen this up and working anywhere before, and when trying to solve a problem I am working without an image in my head of what is or isn't supposed to be there. Thought to reload the Mandrake 7.2 system and hope to wipe the settings I created return to where I was originally pursuing different paths. Trick there is that "Reload" keeps all the settings. Shouldah done a reinstall. Learned that too. Any thoughts, or maybe even just a weak hearted consoling word or two. My deepest and sincerest thanks to the learned who had to endure hear a young fool trying to find his feet. Colin

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Re: Mandrake network/pppd problems
by Benjamin Zack Sept. 5, 2001

Sept. 5, 2001

I am not sure what scripts Mandrake put in place to share your network, but if you haven't checked the ipchains/iptables rule sets, do so. It is possible that a rule set could prevent you from logging on via pppd and block ports necessary for communication with the printer. The commands below will clear out the rule sets(enter as root), but will leave you system open. I would not suggest staying online long without a good working rule set. service ipchains stop service iptables stop use the appropriate line (I believe Mandrake 7.2 uses ipchains by default) or try both. -Ben

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Re: [Wlug] Thanks
by Peter Gutowski Sept. 5, 2001

Sept. 5, 2001

On Wednesday, September 5, 2001 11:12 AM, Colin Novick <gwlt(a)ma.ultranet.com> wrote: >Thanks Ben! > ... > >On the windows side of my machine I am connecting my machine to a large >format HP printer (DesignJet 488 CA) through a 3Com network card and >a 3Com 4 port fast ethernet hub. The HP requires that I send all the >data to a HP JetDirect 300X box that transfers the data through a >parallel conn. to the printer. It is faster for big projects that way >if you believe the literature. That works fine in Windows , but again >I can't "see" the important command settings that make trying to >understand what works, and thus how to replicate it in Linux >hard. > >I haven't been able to address the large HP in Linux through printing >programs, network interfaces, or fiddling in network settings. My >machine's network card is there (eth0) and I can ping that. Thus there >is a way out and onto the network. All the connected items satisfy the >3Com hub and the appropriate indicator lights show a good connection. >I was of the belief that the HP printer may have a "static" IP in its >hardware so I tried pinging that. No luck. Nor any luck for trying to >just assign an IP to it, though I have to admit that I may have done >that improperly through ignorance. > You probably need to configure your jetdirect box with an ip address (You can use the Windows-based JetAdmin to check/change settings). You can't ping the jetdirect box if it's TCP/IP network settings aren't set or are wrong for your network. (BTW, once it's settings _are_ correct you can telnet into the jetdirect box to make further changes, [or screwups ;]) After that it's a matter of adjusting the /etc/printcap to know where to send the data. E.g.... //----- portion of /etc/printcap ------- lp:\ :sh:\ :ml=0:\ :mx=0:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\ :rm=jetdirect:\ :rp=RAW1:\ :bk:\ :lpd_bounce=true:\ :if=/usr/share/printconf/mf_wrapper: the 'rm' means 'remote machine' (in my case here it's name is 'jetdirect' which resolves to an ip address) and the 'rp' is the name of the print queue on that remote machine (in my example here the queue name is 'RAW1'). You'll need to consult jetdirect box's setting to know how it should be set for your printer. (Also the 'if' option is responsible for creating the data in a format that your printer will handle) What does 'route -n' output look like? (might be /sbin/route) -- Peter Gutowski <peter(a)linuxchamps.com> // tel.: (413) 587-3957 "When in company, put not your hands to any part of the body not usually discovered." --George Washington, _Rules for Civility and Decent Behavior_

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I thought you guys might get a kick out of this
by Brian J. Conway Sept. 5, 2001

Sept. 5, 2001

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet/prodtech… Strangely, I don't see any mention of Code Red in there... Brian J. Conway dogbert(a)clue4all.net "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix

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Sympathy for a guy over his head
by Colin Novick Sept. 4, 2001

Sept. 4, 2001

Thoughts from wisened pros? Now more than ever I need to migrate to Linux. I am using a dual boot system MS/Linux and I desperately want to cut the cord. Previously the difficulty was an inability to print. Newest guess on that is that there is a possible conflict with lpd and CUPS running at the same time? I have yet to unpack how one goes about fixing that. Most recent challenge was to get a network connection established between two machines on 3Com cards on a 3Com box. Didn't quite get my hands around that, though many different angles were tried. Current thinking on this one is to look around and see if SAMBA might let me configure things. And then I really messed things up. While trying to establish a network I saw this neat option that lets machines share an internet connection, and I pursued it.... After playing around for a while I disabled it and now the Internet connection will not properly execute the ppp. I can manually get all the way through the logon in a Terminal session and when I get to: Entering PPP Session IP address is 216.164.248.83 MTU is 1500 There is nowhere to go from here. Leave it alone and it disconnects. Try to do anything, any key, and gobbledygook shows up killing any prospect of a PPP session completing. Possible that the system "enabling IPv4 packet forwarding" on startup is some leftover from my messing around with sharing an internet connection? No idea on that one. Allright. It is necessary to screw around and make mistakes to learn. I am excelling at that, and probably do now know more. The difficulty is that I have never seen this up and working anywhere before, and when trying to solve a problem I am working without an image in my head of what is or isn't supposed to be there. Thought to reload the Mandrake 7.2 system and hope to wipe the settings I created return to where I was originally pursuing different paths. Trick there is that "Reload" keeps all the settings. Shouldah done a reinstall. Learned that too. Any thoughts, or maybe even just a weak hearted consoling word or two. My deepest and sincerest thanks to the learned who had to endure hear a young fool trying to find his feet. Colin

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Re: [Wlug] kde22 problems...
by Wesley Allen Sept. 3, 2001

Sept. 3, 2001

Andy, The desktop has got 128mb ram (pc100), my laptop has got 196mb. I think that is the problem with the load times when AA is turned on, because it doesn't seem to affect my laptop at all. It's the font problem that irks me. I've figured out that it is tied to AA, with it turned off the fonts don't show up on my desktop either. And my laptop doesn't support AA yet so I'm plum out of luck as they say. Have you heard of any work-arounds to trick kde into thinking I've got AA support? I've had problems printing with cups and libkdeprint. The only hadk I can figure out (until cups supports it) is to use lpd to print anythign with ttf's. Then it works fine, but you lose the advanced features of cups...it's all a balancing act. Mandrake 8.1 is out soon, perhaps they will fix some of these problems. Wes Andy Stewart (andystewart(a)mediaone.net) wrote: > > > >HI Wes, > >How much memory do you have in this machine? I've seen KDE take forever >when it is memory limited, hence my question. Also, are you running >anything which is CPU intensive when you're trying to start KDE? > >I am also running KDE 2.2, and I downloaded those MS truetype fonts using >the script supplied by SuSE 7.2. I like the look! Although I haven't >tried anything funky like Greek or Hebrew, what I have tried seems to work >pretty well. However, I have infinite memory (256 MB), and my processor >is dual PIII/450. > >I did try printing a mail message directly from KMail, but that didn't >work for some reason (not sure if the problem was KDE or CUPS). >File...SaveAs and then print did work. > >Later, > >Andy > > > > > >On Saturday 01 September 2001 10:15 am, you wrote: >> Well, I've finally gotten kde 2.2 installed and I love the new >> libkdeprint. I'm a pastor by trade and have been stuck in windows >> because I need some pretty funky Greek and Hebrew fonts for my weekly >> research; fonts which I can only find in .ttf format and couldn't be >> printed at any rate (yes, I know there were fixes, I never got one to >> work for me). Now with kde 2.2 I can at last use these fonts in Linux, >> with one major glitche... >> >> 1) They only show up in my "usable fonts" combo box in koffice when >> anti-aliasing is turned on. This would not be a problem except for the >> fact that... a) My pitifully Celeron 366 take FOREVER to load kde >> programs with anti-aliasing turned on (ever waited 30 seconds for a >> shell to open up, it's not fun...) >> >> b) My laptop's display isn't supported by kde's anti-aliasing yet >> (Inspiron 3800). So my primary research tool can't be used. >> >> >> Any ideas/workarounds/hacks to overcome this glitch? >> >> Also, with anti-aliasing turned on, my desktop machine won't allow me to >> submit forms (like e-mail), in konqueror. Any ideas? (I'm going to >> submit a bug report). >> >> Wes >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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kde22 problems...
by Wesley Allen Sept. 2, 2001

Sept. 2, 2001

Well, I've finally gotten kde 2.2 installed and I love the new libkdeprint. I'm a pastor by trade and have been stuck in windows because I need some pretty funky Greek and Hebrew fonts for my weekly research; fonts which I can only find in .ttf format and couldn't be printed at any rate (yes, I know there were fixes, I never got one to work for me). Now with kde 2.2 I can at last use these fonts in Linux, with one major glitche... 1) They only show up in my "usable fonts" combo box in koffice when anti-aliasing is turned on. This would not be a problem except for the fact that... a) My pitifully Celeron 366 take FOREVER to load kde programs with anti-aliasing turned on (ever waited 30 seconds for a shell to open up, it's not fun...) b) My laptop's display isn't supported by kde's anti-aliasing yet (Inspiron 3800). So my primary research tool can't be used. Any ideas/workarounds/hacks to overcome this glitch? Also, with anti-aliasing turned on, my desktop machine won't allow me to submit forms (like e-mail), in konqueror. Any ideas? (I'm going to submit a bug report). Wes

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Speakdifficult
by Sands Fish Aug. 31, 2001

Aug. 31, 2001

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RE: [Wlug] anyone using DSL in Worcester? is it working?
by Kingsbury, Michael Aug. 31, 2001

Aug. 31, 2001

I'll echo this one, I'm pretty happy with Speakeasy, also a little uneasy about the Covad issue... Can't say I had any complaints, service is fine. -beaker -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Charles R . Anderson Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:37 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] anyone using DSL in Worcester? is it working? On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 09:24:39PM -0400, Matt Pease wrote: matt> I'm wondering now, is anyone on this list in Worcester using matt> DSL? If so, with who & is it working fully now? I use Speakeasy. They are an excellent DSL company. My DSL only went down two or three times in the 8 months since I've had it. One time was to move my connection from the NYC POP to the Boston POP (providing much better connectivity in the process), and the most recent time was due to lightning blowing out my modem. They replaced it for free. I am a little worried about Covad, though. That's why I did not go for the "save $10 by paying for a year in advance" deal. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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VPN Question
by Michael Long Aug. 30, 2001

Aug. 30, 2001

Hi all, I have only connected to a network via a VPN using windows software in the past. How do I go about establishing a VPN connection using linux. Do I need to get any software and what other information will I need besides my login, password, and server IP address? Thanks, Mike

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Meeting topics for Sept. 12th
by Andy Stewart Aug. 29, 2001

Aug. 29, 2001

HI gang, I'm looking for a speaker for the Sept. 12th WLUG meeting. If you have a desire to speak on a topic, please bounce your ideas off of me and we'll see if something can be worked out. If you know somebody who'd be a good speaker, please let me know that as well. Finally, I'd like to put out an APB on Rob Bellville. He is our former webmaster, and I"m trying to get in touch with him. His e-mail address doesn't exist any more. If anybody knows Rob or how I can get in touch with him, please contact me ASAP. Thanks in advance, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

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