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RE: [Wlug] What is the current WPILA officer lineup?
by Haines, Charles Allen Sept. 17, 2002

Sept. 17, 2002

Current WPILA officer list is up on the website that I finally got working. http://wpila.org Right now www.wpila.org does not work. I'm working on this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | GDC Systems Administrator | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | Infinity Complex Developer | ICQ: 3707881 | | WPILA Lab Manager | Cell: (410) 610-6343 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- "Geek by nature, Linux by choice." -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@attbi.com] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 8:54 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] What is the current WPILA officer lineup? -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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What is the current WPILA officer lineup?
by Andy Stewart Sept. 17, 2002

Sept. 17, 2002

-- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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new question
by Wesley Allen Sept. 16, 2002

Sept. 16, 2002

Hi all, I just recompiled my kernel to add in acpi support for my laptop. When acpid tries to start, it tells me that it can't find /proc/acpi/event I know I've got it installed, how do I set up those files? I know better then to go mucking around in /proc w/o help! BTW, if there is anyone willing to help me convert my iPAQ to linux, I'll get the files together and be happy to meet you someone. LaLa Java on Route 9 in Shrewsbury is a great place for stuff like this (and they have some great tee-shirts). If anyone can help me with both these things, I'd greatly appreciate it. Wes --

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My brush with greatness, 20 year anniversary
by Keith Wright Sept. 15, 2002

Sept. 15, 2002

I've long had vague memories that I was present at the creation of the emoticon, but did not remember the details and had no proof---until now. Slashdot has a story about the first smiley, which links to a site that has a copy of a bulletin board thread from 1982. My contribution was the suggestion that the character should be chosen to look like something. It doesn't appear in the quoted part of the thread, but I remember advocating that the parenthesis should appear in balanced pairs, to form "joke brackets" which mark the beginning and end of the joke. This suggestion never caught on, which is a bit surprising because Scott Fahlman is a Lisp guy. (-: I would throw a big party to celebrate the 20'th anniversary of the smiley, but I hate the damn things :-) -- Keith ----------------- From: http://research.microsoft.com/~mbj/Smiley/Smiley.html I think this is the best research ever done at MS. ---------------- <discussion of strange physics Gedanken experiments> = 16-Sep-82 12:09 Neil Swartz at CMU-750R Pigeon type question This question does not involve pigeons, but is similar: There is a lit candle in an elevator mounted on a bracket attached to the middle of one wall (say, 2" from the wall). A drop of mercury is on the floor. The cable snaps and the elevator falls. What happens to the candle and the mercury? = 16-Sep-82 17:21 Howard Gayle at CMU-780G WARNING! Because of a recent physics experiment, the leftmost elevator has been contaminated with mercury. There is also some slight fire damage. Decontamination should be complete by 08:00 Friday. = 16-Sep-82 21:34 Rudy Nedved at CMU-10A Re: WARNING!! The previous bboard message about mercury is related to the comment by Neil Swartz about Physics experiments. It is not an actual problem. Last year parts of Doherty Hall were closed off because of spilled mercury. My high school closed down a lab because of a dropped bottle of mercury. My apology for spoiling the joke but people were upset and yelling fire in a crowded theatre is bad news....so are jokes on day old comments. = 17-Sep-82 10:58 Neil Swartz at CMU-750R Elevator posts Apparently there has been some confusion about elevators and such. After talking to Rudy, I have discovered that there is no mercury spill in any of the Wean hall elevators. Many people seem to have taken the notice about the physics department seriously. Maybe we should adopt a convention of putting a star (*) in the subject field of any notice which is to be taken as a joke. = 17-Sep-82 13:04 Scott Fahlman at CMU-10A Elevators (*) Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the elevator... Unfortunately, the center elevator now contains what seems to be the remains of 40,000 two-pound pigeons in an advanced state of decomposition and the right elevator contains a bear of indeterminate color. The left elevator appears to be safe, but when you stand in it for too long, your voice gets squeaky and you start running into the walls, causing the elevator to rise. Despite the * in the header of this message, this is not a joke and should be taken quite literallly. Do not panic -- taking the stairs is good for you. = 17-Sep-82 14:59 Joseph Ginder at CMU-10A (*%) I believe that the joke character should be % rather than *. = 17-Sep-82 15:15 Anthony Stentz at CMU-780G (*%) How about using * for good jokes and % for bad jokes? We could even use *% for jokes that are so bad, they're funny. = 17-Sep-82 17:40 Keith Wright at CMU-10A *%&#$ Jokes! No, no, no! Surely everyone will agree that "&" is the funniest character on the keyboard. It looks funny (like a jolly fat man in convulsions of laughter). It sounds funny (say it loud and fast three times). I just know if I could get my nose into the vacuum of the CRT it would even smell funny! = 17-Sep-82 17:42 Leonard Hamey at CMU-10A {#} (previously *) A detailed (i.e. > 1 minute) study of the aesthetic and pictographic effects of the characters available in the ASCII set has led to the following suggestion: I think that the joke character should be the sequence {#} because it looks like two lips with teeth showing between them. This is the expected result if someone actually laughs their head off. An obvious abbreviation of this sequence would be the hash character itself (which can also be read as the sharp character and suggests a quality which may be lacking in those too obtuse to appreciate the joke.) = 18-Sep-82 20:40 Guy Steele at CMU-10A ! Joke markers again I hope everyone realized that my previous remark about non-use of joke markers was a joke, and was flagged as such by the absence of a marker. This message is not a joke, as indicated by the exclamation point. = 19-Sep-82 11:44 Scott E Fahlman :-) From: Scott E Fahlman <Fahlman at Cmu-20c> I propose that the following character sequence for joke markers: :-) Read it sideways. Actually, it is probably more economical to mark things that are NOT jokes, given current trends. For this, use :-( = 20-Sep-82 16:23 Dave Touretzky at CMU-10A (-: bboard software change As of October 1st, the General bboard will be renamed the Jokes bboard. Please update your SWITCH.INI file. In the event of a serious notice, we will post it under the name "Sharon Burks". When the bboard contains messages whose total bogosity score exceeds 5000 microLenats, the file will be zeroed so novice bboard players can have a chance to score. =

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Mozilla 1.1 icon
by Bill Mills-Curran Sept. 13, 2002

Sept. 13, 2002

I installed mozilla 1.1, and I no longer have the nice dinosaur icon when I iconify it in fvwm2. Is there a simple way to get that back? Thanks, Bill

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Converting an iPAQ
by Wesley Allen Sept. 13, 2002

Sept. 13, 2002

For the last few months I've been hoping to save up some money and get a Zaurus, I don't think that it's going to happen any time soon. So, I've got an iPAQ that I can't sync, or even connect, with my linux laptop and it's beginning to get on my nerves. So, even though I've got some software on my iPAQ that I'll miss (a Bible Reader with the Greek Text and SimCity 2000), I'm thinking that it's time to take the plunge and get Linux and Qtopia on my 3835. Three Questions, 1. Has anyone on the list done this, especially with this model? 2. Has anyone who has done this used any of theKompany's embedded apps? 3. Is there anyone willing to help me do this face to face? I could do this on my own, but the idea of potentially owning a $599 paperweight dims my enthusiasm when I think of going it alone. (I'll buy the coffee) I've got a serial adapter, so that's not a problem. So, what do you say, anyone out there willing to teach me something new? Wes --

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linux arm
by brad Sept. 13, 2002

Sept. 13, 2002

While we're on the topic, some of you guys might be interested in knowing that there is a Linux for Ipaq Developers meeting in cambridge in early October. It's not often that these things come around. For more info. http://handhelds.org/events/devweekend.html -brad

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Free to a good home
by Scott Venier Sept. 10, 2002

Sept. 10, 2002

I've got a 20" Sun branded Trinitron monitor (GDM-20D10) that is yours if you just come fetch it from me in Worcester. Why is it free? Because the cable that's pigtailed on is busted and it doesn't do red very well anymore. The connector on the end of the cable is at 13W3. It should be fixable by just opening the thing up and replacing the cable. Any takers? Scott

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RE: [Wlug] Stat Gathering
by Marc Hughes Sept. 9, 2002

Sept. 9, 2002

I found a nifty utility called HotSaNIC that does exactly what I was looking for. http://www.bernisys.prima.de/linux/HotSaNIC/ Thanks anyways, -Marc -----Original Message----- From: stoffel(a)lucent.com [mailto:stoffel@lucent.com] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 11:37 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Cc: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Stat Gathering Marc> I'd like to collect some stats on a few servers over time. Things Marc> like bandwidth usage, load averages, used/free memory, disk I/O. Marc> Does anyone have any favorite tools to do this easily. Also... Marc> Anything that makes pretty graphs to show management would be Marc> bonus points. You want to use either MRTG (www.mrtg.org) or Cricket (http://cricket.sourceforge.net/) which is based on top of the RRDtool from MRTG. Very nice stuff. John John Stoffel - Senior Unix Systems Administrator - Lucent Technologies stoffel(a)lucent.com - http://www.lucent.com - 978-399-0479 _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Stat Gathering
by Marc Hughes Sept. 9, 2002

Sept. 9, 2002

Hey Guys, I'd like to collect some stats on a few servers over time. Things like bandwidth usage, load averages, used/free memory, disk I/O. Does anyone have any favorite tools to do this easily. Also... Anything that makes pretty graphs to show management would be bonus points. Thanks, -Marc

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overlay/watermark???
by Bill Mills-Curran Sept. 5, 2002

Sept. 5, 2002

I'm generating a document with good old latex, and I'd like to be able to add a figure as the background to each page, something like a watermark, or the background capability of html. I'd be happy to use a post-processing step to do this. I've been looking at the ps utilities, but there's nothing that looks like it will work. Any ideas? TIA, Bill

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WLUG's membership in BUG
by Andy Stewart Sept. 5, 2002

Sept. 5, 2002

Hi everybody, Last year around this time, an organization was formed called the Boston User Groups (http://www.bostonusergroups.com) WLUG was invited to participate. As a group, we decided to pay our $50/year membership fee to participate for the first year. Some of you might remember this meeting, where the general consensus was "OK, let's try it for a year and see how it goes". Our yearly membership dues are being requested by BUG. I had some questions about whether or not WLUG should continue its participation in BUG. I had a discussion with the WLUG members who attended the BBQ. Several of those people thought that the discussion should take place among the entire WLUG membership. The timing of BUG events is such that I'd like to settle this issue before our next WLUG meeting (ideally within the next week). Take a look at the BUG webpage as you consider my comments and those of other WLUG members. Please take note of the other groups who are current BUG members. There are 3 Linux groups, a Palm group, a Mac group, and some others, not to mention the wide variety of Microsoft related user groups. Given that Microsoft is a documented monopoly (a court said that, not just me), this distribution of member groups should not be a surprise to anybody. Some of the commentary below assumes familiarity with the contents of the BUG website. My initial question (if I recall correctly) was to wonder about what tangible benefit WLUG received for its $50 expenditure. a) BUG has a link to the WLUG website on its website b) WLUG had a table at last year's MegaMeeting and gave out literature advertising the group, its meetings, etc. c) I met some leaders of other regional user groups while eating free pizza, drinking free soda, and touring the US DataCenters facility in Marlboro, MA. d) I know that we got at least one new WLUG member from the MegaMeeting. Perhaps there were others, or folks who shortly thereafter joined the mailing list, but I have no way to know for sure. The BUG website also has a calendar of group activities onto which WLUG's activities were never placed. The calendar is designed for groups who meet, say, every 2nd Thursday of the month. WLUG's schedule is not as regular as that, and hence our information was not put onto the calendar after two requests by me. Rick Zach is the current BUG president. He recently sent an e-mail to the user group leaders (attached) wherein he describes some of the benefits of BUG membership. I also have personally spoken to Rick to make sure my information about BUG is correct so that I can present it fairly to the WLUG membership. My question to WLUG is: Do we as a group wish to continue our participation in BUG for $50/year ? Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Importing email from Eudora or Outlook...
by Stephen C. Daukas Sept. 4, 2002

Sept. 4, 2002

I didn't see this covered in any of the posts I could read in the Mozill groups, nor the FAQs, so here goes... I am trying to import email into Mozilla 1.0. I tried importing from Eudora and got the account settings OK, but did not get the entire address book (notably distribution lists) and couldn't get all the email. I received no error for the address book, but did get an error saying "cannot create proxy object for destination mailboxes" about half way throuhg the import, at which point all the folder that were created were moved to Trash. I decided to try Outlook just in case the Eudora code was messed up, I first imported from Eudora into Outlook, but I got the same problem. In both cases, I get the impression that the import code can't do too much with nested information (email distribution lists and mail folder that contain other folders), but Mozilla seems to be able to get started without any trouble. Then again, there is a lot of email involved and I'm also wondering if there are some limits set somewhere in the code before it gives up... Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks!! Steve

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RH7.3 Questions -round 4
by Richard Goodman Sept. 4, 2002

Sept. 4, 2002

Well, I thought everything was working, but sendmail won't receive mail. 1) Doing a status on sendmail says its running 2) dig says that named is running on that server and returns all proper looking info. 3) I had saved the WORKING access, local-host-names and virtusertable files before replacing the bad hard drive and had copied them back into /etc/mail and done a make, so I assume they're good 4) I just restarted the mail server, which logged the following: Sep 3 19:03:39 boron sendmail[2674]: alias database /etc/aliases rebuilt by root Sep 3 19:03:39 boron sendmail[2674]: /etc/aliases: 40 aliases, longest 10 bytes, 395 bytes total Sep 3 19:03:40 boron sendmail[2687]: starting daemon (8.11.6): SMTP+queueing@01:00:00 The test mailing has the following entries in the SENDING sendmail log, and NO entries in the receiving sendmail log or firewall log: Sep 3 17:12:40 bach sendmail[11154]: g83LCec11154: from=<dick(a)goodman1.net>, size=385, class=0, nrc pts=1, msgid=<4.2.0.58.20020903171330.00a3f418(a)pop.goodman1.net>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=hos t3.goodman1.net [192.168.1.3] Sep 3 17:12:41 bach sendmail[11156]: g83LCec11154: to=<r.goodman(a)11harvard.com>, ctladdr=<dick@good man1.net> (503/503), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=30385, relay=11harvard.com. [66.92.78.250], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection refused by 11harvard.com. and the following on a retry Sep 3 18:23:52 bach sendmail[11217]: g83LCec11154: to=<r.goodman(a)11harvard.com>, ctladdr=<dick@good man1.net> (503/503), delay=01:11:12, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=210385, relay=11harvard.com. [66.92.78.250], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection refused by 11harvard.com. I have three similar servers (the other two still RH7.0) and I have never touched the sendmail config - only the access, local-host-names and virtusertable files on any of them. Has something changed between the versions of sendmail on RH7.0 and RH7.3 or have I missed something. The lack of any message on the receiving server puzzles me. Or has something changed in named relating to mail? Dick

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spamassassin
by Charles R. Anderson Sept. 4, 2002

Sept. 4, 2002

Heh...somehow SpamAssassin flagged this as a Viagra spam :) Interesting, since it didn't mention Viagra anywhere... Stop talking dirty Keith! It might be time to get a new ISP, too, since yours is blackholed in an RBL.... ----- Forwarded message from Keith Wright <kwright(a)gis.net> ----- Subject: *****SPAM***** Re: [Wlug] WLUG's membership in BUG X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=5.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,X_AUTH_WARNING,DOUBLE_CAPSWORD,FOR_FREE,VIAGRA, PORN_14,ASCII_FORM_ENTRY,RCVD_IN_OSIRUSOFT_COM version=2.31 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Level: ***** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.31 (devel $Id: SpamAssassin.pm,v 1.94.2.2 2002/06/20 17:20:29 hughescr Exp $) X-Spam-Report: 5.5 hits, 5 required; * -3.4 -- Found a In-Reply-To header * -0.7 -- Found a X-Authentication-Warning header * 1.1 -- BODY: A word in all caps repeated on the line * 1.1 -- BODY: No such thing as a free lunch (1) * 4.7 -- BODY: Plugs Viagra * 0.2 -- BODY: Uses words and phrases which indicate porn (14) * 0.5 -- BODY: Contains an ASCII-formatted form * 2.0 -- RBL: Received via a relay in relays.osirusoft.com [RBL check: found 245.48.41.216.relays.osirusoft.com., type: 127.0.0.3] ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

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RE: [Wlug] Attorney asks son for advice on breaking DMCA
by Keller, Tim Sept. 3, 2002

Sept. 3, 2002

I second that instinct. I've run across a couple of CD's that my wife's sony stereo wouldn't play, but I could rip with cdparanoia and then created a "real" redbook CD that worked fine. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Homic [mailto:chuck@vvisions.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 17:14 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Attorney asks son for advice on breaking DMCA On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 05:01:47PM -0400, Brian J. Conway wrote: > Now that I have your attention (almost), my Dad recently bought one of the > so-called copy-protected audio CDs and he is unable to rip it. ... > Any ideas? My first instinct is to load up cdparanoia and see what it says. Judging from the mass media interpretation of the copy prevention scheme... ie. "Invalid data track crashes windows" part of me thinks it would just work, since at no point would you be automounting an invalid ISO filesystem. On the other hand, it might be an invalid TOC, which means you might have to send cdparanoia some options. But if the CD works in a CD player, the TOC must be valid "enough" to point to redbook data that can be ripped. -Chuck _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Attorney asks son for advice on breaking DMCA
by Brian J. Conway Sept. 3, 2002

Sept. 3, 2002

Now that I have your attention (almost), my Dad recently bought one of the so-called copy-protected audio CDs and he is unable to rip it. As he regularly uses both a Rio while running and has a Rio receiver hooked up to the downstairs stereo, that's a real pain. I haven't looked at the CD myself yet so I don't know if I can use the Sharpie-over-the-corrupt-data-track trick, but has anyone else run into this and come up with a good solution? There's been a million Slashdot stories on the problem with no real resolution that I can find. I figured there would be an answer on this side of the pond if nothing else, but a Windows workaround would work too. Any ideas? My suggestion was, of course, to return the CD and write a nasty letter to the company about selling something labeled as a Compact Disc that does not conform to the Red Book standard, but that doesn't really fix the problem. Thanks in advance. Brian J. Conway bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu "Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves." - Albert Einstein

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laser printer?
by Bill Mills-Curran Sept. 3, 2002

Sept. 3, 2002

I'm considering getting a laser printer (I'm tired of buying all those ink jet cartidges that my kids burn through), and I'm interested in recommendataions for low-cost models. (I'm running RedHat 7.2.) HP has a model (LaserJet 1000) for $250 retail. It has a USB connection that the HP web page says is for "window only". ("Non-Windows based operating systems will not be supported.") Any suggestions? TIA, Bill

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RE: [Wlug] RH7.3 Questions -round 2
by Richard Goodman Sept. 3, 2002

Sept. 3, 2002

Well, I've got the ETH1 and DHCP issues resolved (Thanks, Charles). Did not need to do anything with modules - had misinterpreted the install dialog and ifcfg-eth1 had BOOTPROTO=dhcp. eth1 should have been static with DHCP running from there. One unresolved issue - when I issue an IPChains command, the first time I get "IPchains incompatible with this kernel" and thereafter "IPChains protocol not available". The IPChains command is there, as for example "ipchains -h" works. But I haven't got masquerading or firewalling yet because of this. [Past history of this problem dialog unavailable as I'm on a dial-up laptop] Dick Richard Goodman dick(a)goodman1.net ---> Home: (508) 753-DICK trader(a)goodman1.net ---> Work: (508) 757-3452 voice/fax

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RH7.3 Questions
by Richard Goodman Sept. 3, 2002

Sept. 3, 2002

I have a RH7.0 server which has been giving me regular unrecoverable disk errors since 6-8 weeks ago. I figured today I had enough time to do something about it. I also figured that as long as I had to rebuild from scratch (after installing a new hard drive) I'd upgrade to RH7.3 -- but I have a few more problems that I figured on. The server is dual homed - eth0 (DEC 2104x 10mbps tulip driver) goes to DSL, eth1 (Realtek 100mbps) goes to internal network. Was running IP Masquerade / IPChains / Apache / sendmail / DNS server fine under RH7.0 I have the following problems: 1) During startup eth0 comes up but eth1 does not. My notes on the previous installation [year ago?] don't show that I did anything special when I installed the Realtek (was previously also DEC 2104x) but that doesn't mean I just didn't write it down. 2) dhcpd won't run, but I assume that's related to #1. Was surprised that dhcpd wasn't loaded during install, as I flagged eth1 as dhcp. 3) how do I know whether IPchains or IPtables is active, and how do I switch. Considering the time involved so far, I think I'd rather delay switching to IPTables and use my existing IPChains firewall for now. Can I still hook it in at the end of rc.local? 4) During install I did answer some firewalling questions (set to medium, custom) -- where is the results of that dialog? 5) If I can use my existing IPChains firewall, that will take care of IP Masquerade -- if not can I have some guidance as to what direction to take. 6) httpd comes up but says "cannot resolve hostname, using 127.0.0.1" - what did I forget to configure? (I haven't touched httpd.conf yet.) 7) issue and issue.net used to be set from rc.local, but no more -- where are they set? I'd like to patch that out and be a bit more anonymous. I'm definitely unconnected until most of these Q's get resolved. Thanks to any who can assist me. Dick

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Server For Sale
by JV Sept. 3, 2002

Sept. 3, 2002

Sometime around April I bought a server from Dell. The plan, at the time, was to make it into a webserver and host Wormtown.org and whoever else I could split the bandwidth/hard drive with at a hosting facility in Marlboro. However, it was also in April that I lost my job and then determined that the donations that Wormtown.org collects are not nearly enough to cover the cost of hosting. So, now that I've been unemployed since April. I'm feeling the money start to tighten up and I think it's about time to sell this server. It is a Dell PowerEdge 1650 http://www.dell.com/us/en/esg/topics/esg_pedge_rackmain_servers_1_pedge_165… It is a 1U rackmountable server. It has one PIII 1.13 chip in it It has 512M of RAM (2x256) It has one 36G drive (U160, 10K RPM) The rest of the specs are standard. I've got all the CDs including the Dell Drivers CD and the Red Hat 7.2 Discs that came with it. I've even got Rack Rails. And it does have the cool blue Dell logo that lights up on it. It's been run for about 15 hours total. I believe I paid a bit over $2100 for it. I just priced the same exact machine for $2071 (plus tax and shipping) at Dell.com. I will, of course, take the best offer I can get. I don't want to go any lower than $1500 if I can help it, though. If you're interested, or someone you know might be, contact me. Thanks John V +--------------------------------------------+ |-- "I taught you how to cyclops rock |-- (and then you go and) |-- turn around and break my heart |-- and waste my cyclops time |-- mess up my cyclops mind" |-- |-- - They Might Be Giants |-- |-- John: http://voegtlin.org/~john +--------------------------------------------+

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RE: [Wlug] WLUG's membership in BUG
by Marc Hughes Aug. 30, 2002

Aug. 30, 2002

Sounds to me like all we really got was a single new member out of last years membership. I say skip the membership. If we're itching to spend the money, throw it into an ad in a college newspaper or two. Otherwise let's hoard our cash reserves for a hostile takeover of microsoft. -Marc -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:21 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group Subject: [Wlug] WLUG's membership in BUG Hi everybody, Last year around this time, an organization was formed called the Boston User Groups (http://www.bostonusergroups.com) WLUG was invited to participate. As a group, we decided to pay our $50/year membership fee to participate for the first year. Some of you might remember this meeting, where the general consensus was "OK, let's try it for a year and see how it goes". Our yearly membership dues are being requested by BUG. I had some questions about whether or not WLUG should continue its participation in BUG. I had a discussion with the WLUG members who attended the BBQ. Several of those people thought that the discussion should take place among the entire WLUG membership. The timing of BUG events is such that I'd like to settle this issue before our next WLUG meeting (ideally within the next week). Take a look at the BUG webpage as you consider my comments and those of other WLUG members. Please take note of the other groups who are current BUG members. There are 3 Linux groups, a Palm group, a Mac group, and some others, not to mention the wide variety of Microsoft related user groups. Given that Microsoft is a documented monopoly (a court said that, not just me), this distribution of member groups should not be a surprise to anybody. Some of the commentary below assumes familiarity with the contents of the BUG website. My initial question (if I recall correctly) was to wonder about what tangible benefit WLUG received for its $50 expenditure. a) BUG has a link to the WLUG website on its website b) WLUG had a table at last year's MegaMeeting and gave out literature advertising the group, its meetings, etc. c) I met some leaders of other regional user groups while eating free pizza, drinking free soda, and touring the US DataCenters facility in Marlboro, MA. d) I know that we got at least one new WLUG member from the MegaMeeting. Perhaps there were others, or folks who shortly thereafter joined the mailing list, but I have no way to know for sure. The BUG website also has a calendar of group activities onto which WLUG's activities were never placed. The calendar is designed for groups who meet, say, every 2nd Thursday of the month. WLUG's schedule is not as regular as that, and hence our information was not put onto the calendar after two requests by me. Rick Zach is the current BUG president. He recently sent an e-mail to the user group leaders (attached) wherein he describes some of the benefits of BUG membership. I also have personally spoken to Rick to make sure my information about BUG is correct so that I can present it fairly to the WLUG membership. My question to WLUG is: Do we as a group wish to continue our participation in BUG for $50/year ? Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Re: WLUG and BUG
by doug waud Aug. 30, 2002

Aug. 30, 2002

Hi all, Keith Wright wrote: > On the bright side, I have looked at the BUG web pages > and they do not crash my browser (Netscape Communicator 4.76 > on RedHat 7.1 with a 2.4.27 kernel.) Just to prove I am not just a pretty face, I can note that I got and installed Mozilla 1.0 and it too does not crash. > Why do all these web-wankers think > that a six-pixel high font is such a great thing that it must be > hard coded to override my preferences? I don't know the answer but I agree that the practice sucks! :-) doug (Vulture for culture) Waud

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I'm not normally in favor of cracking but....
by Wesley Allen Aug. 28, 2002

Aug. 28, 2002

Anyone catch this story at wired? http://wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,54812,00.html Apparently the RIAA site got cracked, and the crackers put up a fold with..."pirated" mp3 files. Ummmm, yes this is illegal (the cracking, not the creation of mp3 archives for personal use), but can you imagine a more deserving organization for this to happen to. Keep in mind, I also happen to be a PASTOR, and I think this is just about the funniest thing I've ever seen on the internet. Wes -- This message may be digitally signed. For my public key, e-mail me a request.

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Stupid Hardware Clock Tricks, aka: WTF?
by Theo Van Dinter Aug. 28, 2002

Aug. 28, 2002

Over this past weekend I upgraded my server from a P200/RedHat Linux 7.2 to a new Athlon 850/RedHat Linux 7.3. The Athlon was my trusty workstation for many a year. Everything's great, except for one problem: the clock goes crazy! It seems to be a once per second issue: $ perl -e '$t=time;while(1){$t2=time; warn join("\n",scalar localtime($t),scalar localtime($t2),"") if ($t2-$t>4); $t=$t2;}' Wed Aug 21 17:17:28 2002 Wed Aug 21 18:29:03 2002 Wed Aug 21 17:17:29 2002 Wed Aug 21 18:29:04 2002 Wed Aug 21 17:17:30 2002 Wed Aug 21 18:29:05 2002 I use netsaint to monitor system health, and it keeps complaining about the time jumps: Aug 21 18:28:03 eclectic netsaint: Warning: A system time change of 4296 seconds (forwards in time) has been detected. Compensating... Aug 21 17:16:31 eclectic netsaint: Warning: A system time change of 4293 seconds (backwards in time) has been detected. Compensating... Aug 21 18:29:42 eclectic netsaint: Warning: A system time change of 4296 seconds (forwards in time) has been detected. Compensating... Aug 21 17:18:10 eclectic netsaint: Warning: A system time change of 4293 seconds (backwards in time) has been detected. Compensating... Of course, random checks start failing as well since they occasionally run during the time jump, and if they're checking for time since something occured (log entry, cron run, query response time, etc) ... I've tried "hwclock --systohc" to force the hardware clock to the same time as the system, didn't help. I'm running NTP and thought maybe it was having problems, so I tried turning that off, didn't help. I went through BIOS and tweaked memory/IRQ settings -- I didn't think it would really solve anything, but the setting changes and reboot kept the behavior away for ~14-15 hours. So I'm completely stumped as to what causes this problem. Has anyone seen anything like this before? Any suggestions for things to look at? I'm at the point where I'm planning to just buy a new bit of hardware, migrate the drives and such again, and go from there. With my luck the problem would follow me of course... :( Thanks in advance. :) BTW: If anyone is wondering, I'm running SGI's XFS patched 2.4.18 kernel: 2.4.18-SGI_XFS_1.1. I'm thinking about dropping back to a 2.4.9 kernel w/ XFS support and seeing if that works any better. :( I was running 2.4.18 on the P200 for quite a while though without problem. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: I don't want to look like a weirdo. I'll just go with a muumuu. -- Homer Simpson King-Size Homer

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