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MTA for laptop?
by Chuck Homic Sept. 25, 2002

Sept. 25, 2002

Hey, guys. Got a flame war question for y'all, I guess. What's a good (or the best?) MTA to have on my laptop. Here's what I'd like to be able to do: - Queue outgoing mail while offline, send while online (automatically, if possible... like, "Hey there's a network connection! I'll send all my queued mail!") - Automatically figure out the right way to send stuff based on the current network config. (If I'm at my office, it should use my local office SMTP server... at home, my cable provider.) - Bonus points if it attempts to deliver directly to hosts that will accept it, before falling back to my provider's SMTP. - Extra bonus points if it remembers what hosts won't accept mail directly from me and uses my provider's SMTP for those messages by default. I probably have other demands, but that's all I can think of for now. Maybe like if I'm on a dial up link, it would send small mail first? Stuff like that. Any ideas? -Chuck

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Charter Pipeline Networking
by zimmguy＠netscape.net Sept. 23, 2002

Sept. 23, 2002

I was wondering what I am doing wrong? I have 2 PC's one with Win98 and one with WinME (I know they both suck... but beyond that). When Charter came they installed their software and modem to only one PC, (The other hadn't arrived yet). Now I am trying to network the two together, I have a HUB, and eithernet cards, and cables, is there some other piece of hardware I am missing? Or do I need some software support. In my area for charter to do anything it's 75 bucks a half hour to come out... all they left me with was a modem, and one small cord? Do I need software, or maybe just some configuration advice? Help please. __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Practical replacements for Project.
by Keller, Tim Sept. 23, 2002

Sept. 23, 2002

I recently purchased the codeweavers office suite and I'm really happy with it. Stat office did everything I needed except for two apps, Outlook and Project. Outlook works perfectly under it (as you can see) but I haven't found a suitable replacement for project. Does anybody have any suitable work arounds or solutions to getting it to work with project. (I've attempted an install but get stone walled with errors and have logged a ticket) Thanks, Tim.

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usb question
by Wes Allen Sept. 23, 2002

Sept. 23, 2002

Hi all. MY usb ports used to work under linux in my HP notebook, it would hot-plug and everything. Now, it detects the devices I plug in, tries to register them, and then they disappear. I can acutally watch this with usb view. Any ideas what might be causing this? Wes

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Slight O/T: Preferred Registrar?
by Michael Kingsbury Sept. 21, 2002

Sept. 21, 2002

Who's the preferred name registrar now a days? -mike

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RE: [Wlug] S3 Trio Linux Driver
by Haines, Charles Allen Sept. 20, 2002

Sept. 20, 2002

Well, when i run xf86config, and select the card it tells me that it is unsupported. As for the X framebuffer, that sounds interesting, however I have no clue even how to start doing that. ----------------------------------------- Chuck Haines GDC Systems Administrator Infinity Complex Developer WPILA Lab Manager ----------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex ICQ: 3707881 Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 Cell: (410) 610-6343. ----------------------------------------- "Geek by nature, Linux by choice." -----Original Message----- From: Brian J.Conway [mailto:bconway@alum.wpi.edu] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 7:33 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] S3 Trio Linux Driver > Anyone know where I can find a linux driver for a S2 Trio32/64/64V+ > 86c764/765 for XFree4. I've searched all over and can't find > anything. Its not supported in Xfree4, but aparentally was supports > in 3.3.6. It is my understanding that the S3 and S3V were supported as of XFree86 4.2.0. I don't have any of those cards in use except in machines that are console-only, so I haven't tried it. If all else fails, you can always use the framebuffer X server with 4.x. Brian J. Conway bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu "Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves." - Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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FS: Webramp 200i with 2nd modem
by RB Sept. 20, 2002

Sept. 20, 2002

Cleaning house again... I've got a Webramp 200i with an internal modem and a second BOCA 56k modem (modems can be independently operated or bonded together if your ISP allows it) that I used before I got cable internet. Was working when it was taken out of service. Allows modem sharing with its internal 4 port hub. No docs or CD with it but easily found on the Web at: http://www.rampnet.com/rampnet/support/200i/index.html eBay is getting about $60 for them now. WLUG special!... First email committment for $30 and payment and pick up at my home in Worcester gets it. PayPal is welcomed, too. -- Rob PS - I also have two Webramp 700s in original boxes that I will also be selling. If anyone is interested in them, please make an offer. These units are from another source and were said to be working when I got them. I have not verified this though. I believe they have also VPN capability. http://www.rampnet.com/rampnet/support/700s/index.html -= rb(a)millbury.net =-

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RE: [Wlug] GPL Videos ...
by Marc Hughes Sept. 20, 2002

Sept. 20, 2002

Some people learn things in different ways. If reading HOWTOS was the best way to do something, why do we have WLUG meetings? I wouldn't see these as being comprehensive overviews of whatever we're trying to teach, but more like a WLUG presentation where we show the beginnings of one "cool" thing. I think this would be great for people who have heard of linux, but never tried it out before... The real newbies, the people who don't want to wade through pages and pages of documentation just to get an idea of what they need to do. Take the first video that was suggested, "What is linux and why it's good" I think a 15 minute video can show linux off more than reading about it for hours. Another person had suggested advocacy style videos, I would assume this would be "built in" to any video we made. If we make one on how to set up a small business server (mail, file sharing, dhcp, dns), then we would also mention why it's better than other solutions. Hell, maybe that video could even be used by employees to help sell management (who doesn't want to read through *any* technical documentation) on the linux idea. And yes, this is a lot of work. I wouldn't expect us to do more than one video a month. Lets take 60 for n ... 15 minute video equals 15 man-hours of work. 5 people working on it means they'll have to spend a full work day a month (I'm assuming video production is like programming where you don't scale linearly by throwing more people at it). Besides, if we do one or two, and the work to usefulness ratio is too low, we quit. -Marc -----Original Message----- From: doug waud [mailto:douglas.waud@umassmed.edu] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 9:05 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] GPL Videos ... Hi I've been listening to this thread and perhaps it is just generational disconnect but I cannot visualize what you could do with video that you could not do better with text/html/jpegs etc. Video is good if there is something to be viewed (for example, a trip to a foreign country, a beating heart in a Physiology course, the characteristic gait of a patient with Parkinson's disease, a football play etc.) But, in my experience, what you need if you are trying to learn how to do something, is usually a cookbook (this highlights a general weakness of man pages, they tend to leave out real-life examples). Furthermore, when something is textual, you and retrace easily and chose the pace. The problem now is that, if I am right, we would be competing with howtos! :-) Another problem is that, if Jeff's grandmother is like my wife (probably both about the same age), there is no way she is going to either watch a video or read a document on anything technical (This is a corollary of the advice to never give your wife a present which plugs in). So I'd like to ask those video enthusiasts out there to give a specific example of what a five/fifteen minute video might actually contain. doug PS Another hurdle I anticipate is that it usually takes n minutes to make 1 minute of good video where n is a large number :-( _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] GPL Videos ...
by Haines, Charles Allen Sept. 20, 2002

Sept. 20, 2002

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S3 Trio Linux Driver
by Haines, Charles Allen Sept. 20, 2002

Sept. 20, 2002

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Anyone know where I can find a linux driver for a S2 Trio32/64/64V+ 86c764/765 for XFree4. I've searched all over and can't find anything. Its not supported in Xfree4, but aparentally was supports in 3.3.6. Thanks, - ----------------------------------------- Chuck Haines GDC Systems Administrator Infinity Complex Developer WPILA Lab Manager - ----------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex ICQ: 3707881 Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 Cell: (410) 610-6343. - ----------------------------------------- "Geek by nature, Linux by choice." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> iQA/AwUBPYqsFTUIT3qjYbBbEQKlZwCgrRxKZYaHA+IzL3hzxs2p7BKy+s8AnA2P qn4q/LkLVsSS7GzQ+oKo4dMt =BzlF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: [Wlug] GPL Videos ...
by Keller, Tim Sept. 19, 2002

Sept. 19, 2002

I think it's a great idea and I'd be willing to help in whatever way possible. I'm pretty sure if I asked nicely I'd be able to use Stratus's video equipment. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Marc Hughes [mailto:HughesM@tomsnyder.com] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:39 AM To: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] GPL Videos ... Last night after going to the B several of us ended up in the parking lot chatting about a variety of things including classic video game emulation, microsoft bashing, and creating a WLUG series of videos. Last night, it seemed like a great idea to make some kind of linux based show and distribute those videos for free (over the internet, possible on VCD as well). There were several ideas, including a social commentary (ala "geeks in space" http://www.thesync.com/geeks/) a tech-help show answering emails (http://www.techtv.com/callforhelp/) and instructional videos (just think of that comercial for the windows videos... "Just like a VCR, pop the cd into the computer, hit play, and learn"). Personally, I like the last idea best since it really can provide value for the community (as opposed to providing entertainment). We had also thought that a shorter 15-minute style video would be a great way to start. Personally, I'm in favor of "What is linux, and why is it good for you". So I guess the questions are, do people think this is still a good idea (as opposed to an idea made after consuming too much beer). Would people be willing to help? What resources can people donate to a project like this? -Marc This might be usefull: Cinelerra (New version of Broadcast 2000): http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra_081202.php3 _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Haiku for computers
by doug waud Sept. 19, 2002

Sept. 19, 2002

Hi all Thought you might enjoy the following sent to my wife: (Yes technically it is not Linux but it does make you appreciate it!) Haiku For Computers An e-mail currently circulating offers Haiku in place of the impersonal and unhelpful Microsoft error messages. Haiku poetry has strict construction rules. Each poem has only 17 syllables:5 in the first line, 7 in the second line and 5 in the third line. Your file was so big. It might be very useful, But now it is gone. The Web site you seek Cannot be located, but Countless more exist. Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent, and reboot. Order shall return. Program aborting: Close all that you have worked on. You ask far too much. Windows NT crashed. I am the Blue Screen of Death. No one hears your screams. Yesterday it worked. Today it is not working. Windows is like that. First snow, then silence. This thousand-dollar screen dies So beautifully. With searching comes loss And the presence of absence: "My Novel" not found. The Tao that is seen Is not the true Tao - until You bring fresh toner. Stay the patient course. Of little worth is your ire. The network is down. A crash reduces Your expensive computer To a simple stone. Three things are certain: Death, taxes and lost data. Guess which has occurred. You step in the stream, But the water has moved on. This page is not here. Out of memory. We wish to hold the whole sky, But we never will. Having been erased, The document you're seeking Must now be retyped. Serious error. All shortcuts have disappeared. Screen. Mind. Both are blank. doug

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GPL Videos ...
by Marc Hughes Sept. 19, 2002

Sept. 19, 2002

Last night after going to the B several of us ended up in the parking lot chatting about a variety of things including classic video game emulation, microsoft bashing, and creating a WLUG series of videos. Last night, it seemed like a great idea to make some kind of linux based show and distribute those videos for free (over the internet, possible on VCD as well). There were several ideas, including a social commentary (ala "geeks in space" http://www.thesync.com/geeks/) a tech-help show answering emails (http://www.techtv.com/callforhelp/) and instructional videos (just think of that comercial for the windows videos... "Just like a VCR, pop the cd into the computer, hit play, and learn"). Personally, I like the last idea best since it really can provide value for the community (as opposed to providing entertainment). We had also thought that a shorter 15-minute style video would be a great way to start. Personally, I'm in favor of "What is linux, and why is it good for you". So I guess the questions are, do people think this is still a good idea (as opposed to an idea made after consuming too much beer). Would people be willing to help? What resources can people donate to a project like this? -Marc This might be usefull: Cinelerra (New version of Broadcast 2000): http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra_081202.php3

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RE: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting Wed 18-sept-2002 7:00 PM
by Keller, Tim Sept. 18, 2002

Sept. 18, 2002

I thought this was supposed to be a one night install fest... I would figure we'd need a weekend for a gentoo install ;-) j/k. I can definity do some gentoo CDs, I was thinking RH7.3 and possibly another distribution (like suse) let me know! Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Haines, Charles Allen [mailto:chaines@postoffice.academic.wpi.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:15 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: RE: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting Wed 18-sept-2002 7:00 PM Gentoo, Gentoo, Gentoo, that's all I got to say. BTW, Andy were you refering to me or another Chuck? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | GDC Systems Administrator | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | Infinity Complex Developer | ICQ: 3707881 | | WPILA Lab Manager | Cell: (410) 610-6343 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- "Geek by nature, Linux by choice." -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:04 AM To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' Subject: RE: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting Wed 18-sept-2002 7:00 PM Andy, Let me know what you'd like for CD's for the install-fest and the quantity and I'll get them produced. Also, I can get together a wlug-goodies cd with all the latest kernel/patches/etc. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@attbi.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 20:22 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group Subject: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting Wed 18-sept-2002 7:00 PM HI Everybody, My apologies for not sending this out sooner, but our meeting for Wednesday evening is going to take place at 7:00 PM in Kinnicutt Hall on the WPI campus like usual. We won't be having the install fest since I didn't get off my butt and make the arrangements (sorry!). I hope to do that tomorrow for a potential install fest in 1-2 weeks. I'll say more about that on Wed evening (that'll put the pressure on me to get this done!). I'll bring my laptop and hope that the projector is available (Chuck, can you assist?). I had thought of doing a demo of the VideoLan client/server. Doug, would you like to volunteer to bring your laptop? We'll need a hub and some cables to build a network. I'll be sure to have the necesary tarballs to make this work, or you can download them yourself if you wish. I'll bring a DVD or two and we can try it out. I had thought of doing this "live" like we did one other time. In case Doug can't make the meeting, having another laptop or two present might be interesting. Although the VideoLan client is interesting, I think the ability to stream the video over the net is pretty neat. Take a look at this website for some background info. http://www.videolan.org/ See ya later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting Wed 18-sept-2002 7:00 PM
by Haines, Charles Allen Sept. 18, 2002

Sept. 18, 2002

Gentoo, Gentoo, Gentoo, that's all I got to say. BTW, Andy were you refering to me or another Chuck? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | GDC Systems Administrator | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | Infinity Complex Developer | ICQ: 3707881 | | WPILA Lab Manager | Cell: (410) 610-6343 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- "Geek by nature, Linux by choice." -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:04 AM To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' Subject: RE: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting Wed 18-sept-2002 7:00 PM Andy, Let me know what you'd like for CD's for the install-fest and the quantity and I'll get them produced. Also, I can get together a wlug-goodies cd with all the latest kernel/patches/etc. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@attbi.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 20:22 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group Subject: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting Wed 18-sept-2002 7:00 PM HI Everybody, My apologies for not sending this out sooner, but our meeting for Wednesday evening is going to take place at 7:00 PM in Kinnicutt Hall on the WPI campus like usual. We won't be having the install fest since I didn't get off my butt and make the arrangements (sorry!). I hope to do that tomorrow for a potential install fest in 1-2 weeks. I'll say more about that on Wed evening (that'll put the pressure on me to get this done!). I'll bring my laptop and hope that the projector is available (Chuck, can you assist?). I had thought of doing a demo of the VideoLan client/server. Doug, would you like to volunteer to bring your laptop? We'll need a hub and some cables to build a network. I'll be sure to have the necesary tarballs to make this work, or you can download them yourself if you wish. I'll bring a DVD or two and we can try it out. I had thought of doing this "live" like we did one other time. In case Doug can't make the meeting, having another laptop or two present might be interesting. Although the VideoLan client is interesting, I think the ability to stream the video over the net is pretty neat. Take a look at this website for some background info. http://www.videolan.org/ See ya later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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REMINDER: Meeting Wed 18-sept-2002 7:00 PM
by Andy Stewart Sept. 18, 2002

Sept. 18, 2002

HI Everybody, My apologies for not sending this out sooner, but our meeting for Wednesday evening is going to take place at 7:00 PM in Kinnicutt Hall on the WPI campus like usual. We won't be having the install fest since I didn't get off my butt and make the arrangements (sorry!). I hope to do that tomorrow for a potential install fest in 1-2 weeks. I'll say more about that on Wed evening (that'll put the pressure on me to get this done!). I'll bring my laptop and hope that the projector is available (Chuck, can you assist?). I had thought of doing a demo of the VideoLan client/server. Doug, would you like to volunteer to bring your laptop? We'll need a hub and some cables to build a network. I'll be sure to have the necesary tarballs to make this work, or you can download them yourself if you wish. I'll bring a DVD or two and we can try it out. I had thought of doing this "live" like we did one other time. In case Doug can't make the meeting, having another laptop or two present might be interesting. Although the VideoLan client is interesting, I think the ability to stream the video over the net is pretty neat. Take a look at this website for some background info. http://www.videolan.org/ See ya later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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RE: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting Wed 18-sept-2002 7:00 PM
by Keller, Tim Sept. 18, 2002

Sept. 18, 2002

Andy, Let me know what you'd like for CD's for the install-fest and the quantity and I'll get them produced. Also, I can get together a wlug-goodies cd with all the latest kernel/patches/etc. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@attbi.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 20:22 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group Subject: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting Wed 18-sept-2002 7:00 PM HI Everybody, My apologies for not sending this out sooner, but our meeting for Wednesday evening is going to take place at 7:00 PM in Kinnicutt Hall on the WPI campus like usual. We won't be having the install fest since I didn't get off my butt and make the arrangements (sorry!). I hope to do that tomorrow for a potential install fest in 1-2 weeks. I'll say more about that on Wed evening (that'll put the pressure on me to get this done!). I'll bring my laptop and hope that the projector is available (Chuck, can you assist?). I had thought of doing a demo of the VideoLan client/server. Doug, would you like to volunteer to bring your laptop? We'll need a hub and some cables to build a network. I'll be sure to have the necesary tarballs to make this work, or you can download them yourself if you wish. I'll bring a DVD or two and we can try it out. I had thought of doing this "live" like we did one other time. In case Doug can't make the meeting, having another laptop or two present might be interesting. Although the VideoLan client is interesting, I think the ability to stream the video over the net is pretty neat. Take a look at this website for some background info. http://www.videolan.org/ See ya later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Meeting
by Haines, Charles Allen Sept. 17, 2002

Sept. 17, 2002

Is tomorrow's meeting still on? If so where is it and is it still at 7? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | GDC Systems Administrator | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | Infinity Complex Developer | ICQ: 3707881 | | WPILA Lab Manager | Cell: (410) 610-6343 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- "Geek by nature, Linux by choice."

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Sept 18 meeting (tomorrow!)
by doug waud Sept. 17, 2002

Sept. 17, 2002

Hi all, Andy especially :-) Where do we stand re tomorrow's meeting. There was talk of an installfest but I have not noticed any further messages in that regard. Anybody know what's up? I don't want to go into plug-pulling training if there'll be no "event" where I can display my talents! :-) doug

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RE: [Wlug] What is the current WPILA officer lineup?
by Haines, Charles Allen Sept. 17, 2002

Sept. 17, 2002

Current WPILA officer list is up on the website that I finally got working. http://wpila.org Right now www.wpila.org does not work. I'm working on this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | GDC Systems Administrator | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | Infinity Complex Developer | ICQ: 3707881 | | WPILA Lab Manager | Cell: (410) 610-6343 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- "Geek by nature, Linux by choice." -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@attbi.com] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 8:54 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] What is the current WPILA officer lineup? -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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What is the current WPILA officer lineup?
by Andy Stewart Sept. 17, 2002

Sept. 17, 2002

-- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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new question
by Wesley Allen Sept. 16, 2002

Sept. 16, 2002

Hi all, I just recompiled my kernel to add in acpi support for my laptop. When acpid tries to start, it tells me that it can't find /proc/acpi/event I know I've got it installed, how do I set up those files? I know better then to go mucking around in /proc w/o help! BTW, if there is anyone willing to help me convert my iPAQ to linux, I'll get the files together and be happy to meet you someone. LaLa Java on Route 9 in Shrewsbury is a great place for stuff like this (and they have some great tee-shirts). If anyone can help me with both these things, I'd greatly appreciate it. Wes --

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My brush with greatness, 20 year anniversary
by Keith Wright Sept. 15, 2002

Sept. 15, 2002

I've long had vague memories that I was present at the creation of the emoticon, but did not remember the details and had no proof---until now. Slashdot has a story about the first smiley, which links to a site that has a copy of a bulletin board thread from 1982. My contribution was the suggestion that the character should be chosen to look like something. It doesn't appear in the quoted part of the thread, but I remember advocating that the parenthesis should appear in balanced pairs, to form "joke brackets" which mark the beginning and end of the joke. This suggestion never caught on, which is a bit surprising because Scott Fahlman is a Lisp guy. (-: I would throw a big party to celebrate the 20'th anniversary of the smiley, but I hate the damn things :-) -- Keith ----------------- From: http://research.microsoft.com/~mbj/Smiley/Smiley.html I think this is the best research ever done at MS. ---------------- <discussion of strange physics Gedanken experiments> = 16-Sep-82 12:09 Neil Swartz at CMU-750R Pigeon type question This question does not involve pigeons, but is similar: There is a lit candle in an elevator mounted on a bracket attached to the middle of one wall (say, 2" from the wall). A drop of mercury is on the floor. The cable snaps and the elevator falls. What happens to the candle and the mercury? = 16-Sep-82 17:21 Howard Gayle at CMU-780G WARNING! Because of a recent physics experiment, the leftmost elevator has been contaminated with mercury. There is also some slight fire damage. Decontamination should be complete by 08:00 Friday. = 16-Sep-82 21:34 Rudy Nedved at CMU-10A Re: WARNING!! The previous bboard message about mercury is related to the comment by Neil Swartz about Physics experiments. It is not an actual problem. Last year parts of Doherty Hall were closed off because of spilled mercury. My high school closed down a lab because of a dropped bottle of mercury. My apology for spoiling the joke but people were upset and yelling fire in a crowded theatre is bad news....so are jokes on day old comments. = 17-Sep-82 10:58 Neil Swartz at CMU-750R Elevator posts Apparently there has been some confusion about elevators and such. After talking to Rudy, I have discovered that there is no mercury spill in any of the Wean hall elevators. Many people seem to have taken the notice about the physics department seriously. Maybe we should adopt a convention of putting a star (*) in the subject field of any notice which is to be taken as a joke. = 17-Sep-82 13:04 Scott Fahlman at CMU-10A Elevators (*) Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the elevator... Unfortunately, the center elevator now contains what seems to be the remains of 40,000 two-pound pigeons in an advanced state of decomposition and the right elevator contains a bear of indeterminate color. The left elevator appears to be safe, but when you stand in it for too long, your voice gets squeaky and you start running into the walls, causing the elevator to rise. Despite the * in the header of this message, this is not a joke and should be taken quite literallly. Do not panic -- taking the stairs is good for you. = 17-Sep-82 14:59 Joseph Ginder at CMU-10A (*%) I believe that the joke character should be % rather than *. = 17-Sep-82 15:15 Anthony Stentz at CMU-780G (*%) How about using * for good jokes and % for bad jokes? We could even use *% for jokes that are so bad, they're funny. = 17-Sep-82 17:40 Keith Wright at CMU-10A *%&#$ Jokes! No, no, no! Surely everyone will agree that "&" is the funniest character on the keyboard. It looks funny (like a jolly fat man in convulsions of laughter). It sounds funny (say it loud and fast three times). I just know if I could get my nose into the vacuum of the CRT it would even smell funny! = 17-Sep-82 17:42 Leonard Hamey at CMU-10A {#} (previously *) A detailed (i.e. > 1 minute) study of the aesthetic and pictographic effects of the characters available in the ASCII set has led to the following suggestion: I think that the joke character should be the sequence {#} because it looks like two lips with teeth showing between them. This is the expected result if someone actually laughs their head off. An obvious abbreviation of this sequence would be the hash character itself (which can also be read as the sharp character and suggests a quality which may be lacking in those too obtuse to appreciate the joke.) = 18-Sep-82 20:40 Guy Steele at CMU-10A ! Joke markers again I hope everyone realized that my previous remark about non-use of joke markers was a joke, and was flagged as such by the absence of a marker. This message is not a joke, as indicated by the exclamation point. = 19-Sep-82 11:44 Scott E Fahlman :-) From: Scott E Fahlman <Fahlman at Cmu-20c> I propose that the following character sequence for joke markers: :-) Read it sideways. Actually, it is probably more economical to mark things that are NOT jokes, given current trends. For this, use :-( = 20-Sep-82 16:23 Dave Touretzky at CMU-10A (-: bboard software change As of October 1st, the General bboard will be renamed the Jokes bboard. Please update your SWITCH.INI file. In the event of a serious notice, we will post it under the name "Sharon Burks". When the bboard contains messages whose total bogosity score exceeds 5000 microLenats, the file will be zeroed so novice bboard players can have a chance to score. =

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Mozilla 1.1 icon
by Bill Mills-Curran Sept. 13, 2002

Sept. 13, 2002

I installed mozilla 1.1, and I no longer have the nice dinosaur icon when I iconify it in fvwm2. Is there a simple way to get that back? Thanks, Bill

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Converting an iPAQ
by Wesley Allen Sept. 13, 2002

Sept. 13, 2002

For the last few months I've been hoping to save up some money and get a Zaurus, I don't think that it's going to happen any time soon. So, I've got an iPAQ that I can't sync, or even connect, with my linux laptop and it's beginning to get on my nerves. So, even though I've got some software on my iPAQ that I'll miss (a Bible Reader with the Greek Text and SimCity 2000), I'm thinking that it's time to take the plunge and get Linux and Qtopia on my 3835. Three Questions, 1. Has anyone on the list done this, especially with this model? 2. Has anyone who has done this used any of theKompany's embedded apps? 3. Is there anyone willing to help me do this face to face? I could do this on my own, but the idea of potentially owning a $599 paperweight dims my enthusiasm when I think of going it alone. (I'll buy the coffee) I've got a serial adapter, so that's not a problem. So, what do you say, anyone out there willing to teach me something new? Wes --

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