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Debian to RH 9 Migration
by Chuck Noyes Nov. 15, 2003

Nov. 15, 2003

Has anyone tried this? I don't what version of Debian is currently being used. Any guidelines for this kind of migration. Thanks, -Chuck -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/

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RE: [Wlug] W.L.U.G. TV show...
by Keller, Tim Nov. 14, 2003

Nov. 14, 2003

Then maybe we should go in that direction. Give a five minute explanation about what linux is and where it came from and then talk about what a distribution is and the companies that make them. Then go on to talk about why you'd want to use linux (stability, resilience to viruses, breathing life into old hardware, etc.) Then take the remaining 15 minutes to show off the interface, mozilla, evolution, xmms and gnumoney. Then finish up with a blurb about WLUG (who, what, where and when). Does that sound sensible? Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen C. Daukas [mailto:stephen@daukas.com] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 5:40 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] W.L.U.G. TV show... I have a few thoughts to offer... Given the format of Community Access Programming on local cable, you have 30 minutes. Period. (At least in Shrewsbury.) If my experience in the past with these productions holds true, you don't have a lot of time to work with and it is very rare to see a multi part show, even from long established programming. (Never mind the editing and work that goes on behind the scences - 30 minutes translates into weeks of work.) 30 minutes isn't a lot of time. Even a high school class is 47 minutes these days, and that gets you one topic, say for example, work = force x distance. There will not be time enough to adress more than once audience, or more than one simple topic for that matter! If you are about to say "but wait, we don't have to limit ourselves to 30 minutes, we can produce what we want" then I would answer, that's true! But, just as true is my next question - who you gonna show it to and how? So, now that we have established the cart and the horse, we need to make a few decisions... I'm thinking that 30 minutes is just enough time (barely) to show a "teaser" piece that talks about Linux "the product" and what it can do. No techno-geek talk (because you will invariable try to cover too much in too little time), just something that will interest the audience enough to want more. 30 minutes is just enough time to show everyone how they can configure a Linux server to support their own real estate business or construction business or oil business or... as well as interest the experienced novice who might want to try getting out from under their ISP. When they want more, then you can talk about follow-up episodes, or direct them to WLUG at the end of the episode (or both). The WLUG site could have video available, metting topics, and so forth... Steve _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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df confused?
by Chuck Homic Nov. 14, 2003

Nov. 14, 2003

I got this output from df: Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda7 1381 843 468 65% / /dev/hda1 10 4 6 36% /boot /dev/hda5 248 1 235 1% /tmp df -H produces the not-so-different: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda7 1.4M 866k 477k 65% / /dev/hda1 10k 3.5k 6.2k 36% /boot /dev/hda5 254k 14 241k 1% /tmp My disk is 8GB, and although I believe the percentages are correct, this is a little unnerving. Any idea why df would be confused? Or have I created the most amazing single-floppy distribution ever?!? This is a system I just un-mothballed, it's mostly an older debian sid that I'm slowly upgrading to latest in stages. Could this be something out of date with respect to something else? -Chuck

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Linux Desktop Conference
by Andy Stewart Nov. 12, 2003

Nov. 12, 2003

HI everybody, I'm wondering if anybody went to the Linux Desktop conference in Tyngsboro yesterday, and if so, what did you think of it? Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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W.L.U.G. TV show...
by Keller, Tim Nov. 10, 2003

Nov. 10, 2003

For those who didn't attend the meeting last night, we talked a little about the idea of producing a linux focused TV Show. From that discussion we decided that the best thing to-do would be to have the main part of the discussion through the mail list. So, here it is... Firstly, I think we need to decide who our target audience is. This morning I came up with notion that generally, users can be broken into several groups. The first group are novice users. These are people who use a computer, but the concept of an operating system or the idea that windows isn't just "part of the system" and not removable is alien. The second group is "advanced" users. I think most of us would fall into this group. We understand OS's, hardware, software and all the digital glue that holds it together. The third group is educational users. These would be people who work in some education institution and they're interest in linux would be from the standpoint of deploying it for cost savings and/or using it as an education tool for teaching. The forth group would be corporate suit types. These are the people who read the trade rags, but don't have a clear understanding of what linux. They've read lots of conflicting FUD on the subject and aren't sure how linux could be used in they're environment or what the real TCO would be. Personally, I think we should go after groups 1-3. The reason I'm not too worried about the fourth type is that now that redhat had decided that they're going to go full force into the enterprise environment, they'll be busy spending lots of PR dollars convincing the suits. What do people think. Also, if it is the consensus that we should focus on groups 1-3, should we narrow our focus even more? Thanks, Tim.

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Fwd: Re: Deal for LUG members
by Andy Stewart Nov. 9, 2003

Nov. 9, 2003

---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Conference update Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 15:08:53 -0800 From: Jill Ratkevic <j.ratkevic(a)verizon.net> To: andystewart(a)comcast.net Hi Andy: I wanted to let you know we have had a great turnout on folks who want to come for the reduced rate, but one member was charged the full amount and contacted me. Anyone who entered the discount code of "Jill" in the how did you hear about the conference field WILLl get the reduced rate and I will personally honor that. Late Fri, Xandros agreed to underwrite the rest of the tickets. If this has happened to anyone, it will be fixed first thing Monday morning. On a Saturday I am limited in what I can do to reverse it, but I wanted to be sure you were aware right away of this and that you knew I was personally making sure this was fixed. Best regards, Jill Ratkevic DesktopLinuxConsortium jill(a)desktoplinuxconsortium.org 4008-209-5181 ------------------------------------------------------- -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Fwd: Re: Deal for LUG members
by Andy Stewart Nov. 8, 2003

Nov. 8, 2003

---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: Deal for LUG members Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 23:42:28 -0800 From: Jill Ratkevic <j.ratkevic(a)verizon.net> To: andystewart(a)comcast.net Hi, the easiest way to do it is to sign up directly. Tell your members to go to: Go to http://www.butrain.com, click on Desktop Linux Conference When they go to pay, in the "where did you hear about the conference box" type in "Jill" They will be charged $25.00. There are about 75 left as of this AM. But I know we have had quite a few inquiries. They are sponsored so I would like to see someone benefit :) cheers, Jill Ratkevic Desktop Linux Conference jill(a)desktoplinuxconsortium.org Andy Stewart wrote: >Hello, > >I am writing to inquire about the "deal for LUG members" who wish to attend >the Boston Desktop Linux conference for $25.00. I have had a couple of >inquiries from the WLUG membership and thought I'd ask. > >Thanks! > >Andy ------------------------------------------------------- -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Linux Desktop Conference
by Matt Higgins Nov. 8, 2003

Nov. 8, 2003

Not sure of the details on this but it could be cool. I think Andy would have to contact the address on the bottem of the page. http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/11/07/1957226 -Matt

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RE: [Wlug] W.L.U.G. TV show...
by Keller, Tim Nov. 6, 2003

Nov. 6, 2003

I agree with both what you and Matthew both said. So, I think our new groupings should be 1. Novice Users 2. Intermediate Users 3. Advanced Users 4. Educational Users I've dropped the suits off the map because they don't really apply (in this context). I think maybe we should focus on the Novice and Intermediate users first. Then focus on the Educational users second and then maybe due hyper focused treatments for the advanced users. Thanks, Tim. -----Original Message----- From: mlong(a)datalong.com [mailto:mlong@datalong.com] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:57 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] W.L.U.G. TV show... > The first group are novice users. These are people who use a computer, but > the concept of an operating system or the idea that windows isn't just "part > of the system" and not removable is alien. > I would suggest there is an "intermediate users group. This group is not afraid to play around with different OS's, hardware and software and know how to configure their software of choice. However they rely heavily on configuration tools to apply much of the digital glue to make their systems usable and/or secure. > The second group is "advanced" users. I think most of us would fall into > this group. We understand OS's, hardware, software and all the digital glue > that holds it together. > > The third group is educational users. These would be people who work in > some education institution and they're interest in linux would be from the > standpoint of deploying it for cost savings and/or using it as an education > tool for teaching. > > The forth group would be corporate suit types. These are the people who > read the trade rags, but don't have a clear understanding of what linux. > They've read lots of conflicting FUD on the subject and aren't sure how > linux could be used in they're environment or what the real TCO would be. --mike _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] W.L.U.G. TV show...
by Simoncini, Matthew Nov. 6, 2003

Nov. 6, 2003

Tim, I would have to say I agree with your "user grouping" for the most part, but feel (IMHO) that there might be a group of people that fall between the novice and advanced users, lets call them the "hobbyist group". These people know how to use a computer, have probably "dabbled" in linux, but need some help performing certain tasks or need convincing on turning the corner and using linux full time. This is an important group because a) I'm a member of this group :o) and b) members of this group know the value of linux, but want to make sure they can do everything they want to do in linux i.e. listen to MP3's, burn CD's, browse the web, be able to use a word processor, etc .... I think that the general idea of spreading the linux word is a great idea especially on a visible medium, but the most value would be added if the largest user group is targeted. So, in a nutshell, I think you guys have a great idea and I hope to watch you guys on TV sometime soon. Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:39 AM > To: 'wlug(a)wlug.org' > Subject: [Wlug] W.L.U.G. TV show... > > > For those who didn't attend the meeting last night, we talked > a little about > the idea of producing a linux focused TV Show. From that > discussion we > decided that the best thing to-do would be to have the main > part of the > discussion through the mail list. > > So, here it is... > > Firstly, I think we need to decide who our target audience > is. This morning > I came up with notion that generally, users can be broken into several > groups. > > The first group are novice users. These are people who use a > computer, but > the concept of an operating system or the idea that windows > isn't just "part > of the system" and not removable is alien. > > The second group is "advanced" users. I think most of us > would fall into > this group. We understand OS's, hardware, software and all > the digital glue > that holds it together. > > The third group is educational users. These would be people > who work in > some education institution and they're interest in linux > would be from the > standpoint of deploying it for cost savings and/or using it > as an education > tool for teaching. > > The forth group would be corporate suit types. These are the > people who > read the trade rags, but don't have a clear understanding of > what linux. > They've read lots of conflicting FUD on the subject and > aren't sure how > linux could be used in they're environment or what the real > TCO would be. > > Personally, I think we should go after groups 1-3. The > reason I'm not too > worried about the fourth type is that now that redhat had decided that > they're going to go full force into the enterprise > environment, they'll be > busy spending lots of PR dollars convincing the suits. > > What do people think. Also, if it is the consensus that we > should focus on > groups 1-3, should we narrow our focus even more? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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List is back
by Frank Sweetser Nov. 6, 2003

Nov. 6, 2003

A few days ago, the mail server for the WLUG list ate it's hard drives. Luckily, none of the WLUG subscriber data was lost. The machine has been rebuilt, and full list service should be restored. If anyone has any problem at all with the list, please let me know and I'll see what I can do. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting, Wed 7 PM
by Andy Stewart Nov. 5, 2003

Nov. 5, 2003

HI Everybody, I'm sending this again since I'm not sure if my last attempt made it due to the mailing list server problem. BTW, my thanks to Frank Sweetser for fixing this problem! There is a WLUG meeting being held on Wednesday, Nov 5th at 7:00 PM in the Access Grid room on the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. Directions to this room can be found on the website. At this meeting, I'd like to talk about the "WLUG TV" show which was discussed somewhat at the end of our last meeting, and again in the mailing list. I'd like to see if we can get some roles and responsibilities defined for interested folks so that this effort can move forward. Secondly, I'll bring my laptop and we can explore SuSE 9.0 together, but I haven't had much chance myself to see all that is new and different. We can also talk about RedHat's recent announcement about "no more RedHat Linux" and the potential purchase of SuSE by Novell. Afterwards, we'll adjourn to the Boynton Restaurant for pizza and beers. See ya later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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One day seminar on Linux for the Desktop
by Doug Chamberlin Nov. 5, 2003

Nov. 5, 2003

I just stumbled upon this and thought members might want to know about it. Seminar is Monday. http://www.butrain.com/itp/desklinux.asp Doug Chamberlin

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system time config question
by Bill Mills-Curran Nov. 4, 2003

Nov. 4, 2003

This is a repost -- I believe the original was lost during the WLUG server outage. I'm having trouble keeping the time correct on one of my linux boxes. Just one of them. My others are just fine. In all cases, I'm using the redhat-config-date gui. When I use the gui, it corrects the time just fine, but somethings not happening to check the reference network time (daily?) to correct the local system time. I've compared a number of things between systems to try to identify what's wrong on the one machine, but I haven't found the key yet. Any suggestions? TIA, Bill

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List is back
by Frank Sweetser Nov. 4, 2003

Nov. 4, 2003

A few days ago, the mail server for the WLUG list ate it's hard drives. Luckily, none of the WLUG subscriber data was lost. The machine has been rebuilt, and full list service should be restored. If anyone has any problem at all with the list, please let me know and I'll see what I can do. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer

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List is back
by Frank Sweetser Nov. 4, 2003

Nov. 4, 2003

A few days ago, the mail server for the WLUG list ate it's hard drives. Luckily, none of the WLUG subscriber data was lost. The machine has been rebuilt, and full list service should be restored. If anyone has any problem at all with the list, please let me know and I'll see what I can do. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer

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List is back
by Frank Sweetser Nov. 4, 2003

Nov. 4, 2003

A few days ago, the mail server for the WLUG list ate it's hard drives. Luckily, none of the WLUG subscriber data was lost. The machine has been rebuilt, and full list service should be restored. If anyone has any problem at all with the list, please let me know and I'll see what I can do. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer

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Redhat EOL
by Karl Hiramoto Nov. 3, 2003

Nov. 3, 2003

Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release another product in the Red Hat Linux line. So what distro is everyone going to switch to? -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø In the Spring, I have counted 136 different kinds of weather inside of 24 hours. -- Mark Twain, on New England weather

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REMINDER: Meeting Wed Nov 5 @ 7PM
by Andy Stewart Nov. 2, 2003

Nov. 2, 2003

Hi Everybody, We have a WLUG meeting coming up this Wednesday, November 5th, at 7:00 PM in the Access Grid room on the WPI campus. Please check the WLUG website for directions to this location. At this meeting, I'd like to take a few minutes to discuss the "WLUG TV" show that was proposed at the last meeting, and which seems to have considerable interest from quite a few people in WLUG. We are fortunate that we have people in WLUG who have experience in this area, and that we have folks who have the energy and desire to do this type of work. I would like to identify those people who definitely wish to participate, and perhaps a project leader. In a few minutes, I'm going to start installing SuSE Linux 9.0 on my laptop. If I get it working, and can learn enough about its distinguishing features, I'll discuss that at the meeting also. If I hit problems, or if I don't have enough time to play with it, I'll defer this topic to the December meeting. To be completely fair, if somebody wants to address a WLUG meeting to discuss the latest features of their favorite distribution, please let me know, and we can arrange this. For example, I'm curious to know more about Gentoo, or how to install Knoppix on my hard drive, or why Debian's "apt-get" is supposedly better than rpms. If people have some quick 5-15 minute topics for this meeting, bring them along and we can discuss them as a group. Tech support types of questions are always welcome, as are new user questions. If you are bashful, send me the question and I'll ask it at the meeting. :-) Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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system time config question
by Bill Mills-Curran Oct. 31, 2003

Oct. 31, 2003

I'm having trouble keeping the time correct on one of my linux boxes. Just one of them. My others are just fine. In all cases, I'm using the redhat-config-date gui. When I use the gui, it corrects the time just fine, but somethings not happening to check the reference network time (daily?) to correct the local system time. I've compared a number of things between systems to try to identify what's wrong on the one machine, but I haven't found the key yet. Any suggestions? TIA, Bill

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Echo...
by Keller, Tim Oct. 30, 2003

Oct. 30, 2003

I sent a piece of mail on Tuesday and I never saw it reappear in my inbox. However, when you check the archive it's there. Are we having a list problem??? Tim.

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Status of the Show?
by Keller, Tim Oct. 28, 2003

Oct. 28, 2003

Due to a midterm, I wasn't able to make it out to Shrewsbury to the tv studio. What came of the meeting out there? Thanks, Tim.

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Scheduling software
by mlong＠datalong.com Oct. 27, 2003

Oct. 27, 2003

Hi, I am working with a Director of Parks and Recreation Dept here in MA to automate their office. The first piece to be tackled is the scheduling of the town ball fields. Does anyone know of any open source projects that can do this? Thanks, Mike

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open source and massachusetts
by doug waud Oct. 23, 2003

Oct. 23, 2003

Hi all I was somewhat surprised not to see mention of this article on this list so I thought I'd pass it on. On Monday the T&G had an article "Tech Policy Changes --- Mass going open source". The gist was that Finance secretary, Erik Kriss instructed the state's chief technology officer to adopt a policy of "open standards, open source" for all future spending on information technology. Interesting. It will be interesting to see what comes of this. doug

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Re: [Wlug] Fw: RE: show
by Yury I Vashugin Oct. 21, 2003

Oct. 21, 2003

tim, it seems like we don't have enough people to run the show. maybe different date and time would be more appropriate for people(depending, of course, on the studio availability)... first, we need people to produce the show. it's a commitment of half an hour ones? a month.(could be ones in two months) is there anyone who would like to join the venture? second, we need a qualified show host who will lead the show and interview guests. i'm a new to linux and i would not dare to discuss it with my expertize. third, there is little problem with scan converter which can be replaced by a notebook with a video output. a tape of the show will be available immediately after the show and can be broadcast on any channel(depending on the amount of money, sponsorship etc; public access channels are free). also it's a good learning tool which can be multiplied and offered to the public. i still remember a hot discussion on wlug about introducing linux in public schools. i was astonished to see how college students buy c compilers for windows to do their homework for unix/c class. isn't it something? they know about linux but, o boy, they're scared of it!!!(wow, wow- i'm not talking about wpi students) good point was brought by goug. we need to know what audience we are going to target and where. if we start the show with linux introduction and discuss the difference between linux and commonly used operating systems, to get people intrigued, and continuously refer people to 'that show' then they'll know the connection, how to obtain previous educational tapes etc. yury ps keep forgeting to indicate the studio location- shewsbury media connection, parker rd. On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:40:51 -0400 Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> writes: > On Tuesday 14 October 2003 12:55 pm, Yury I Vashugin wrote: > > hi, everyone. > > since we talked about producing an educational show about linux > and > > putting it 'in-the-air' at the last wlug meeting and i saw a very > > enthusiastic response so i've reserved the studio for oct.21(see > below). > > there's a problem with a converter but i'm sure we can find a > laptop with > > a video output. > > HI everybody, > > I'm still quite enthusiastic about this opportunity, but > unfortunately I > cannot make it on October 21st (Tuesday is generally a bad night for > me). I > will be looking forward to reading the e-mails from people who do > make it on > that date. > > Please keep us posted! > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

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