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I choose Slackware.. God help me! (And you guys, please?)
by Brian McLinden 08 Oct '03

08 Oct '03

That�s why I hope to meet guys into slack. Tomorrow night�s meeting? The email below is about my climb in life and the three technical things foremost in my concerns. If you�re not into slack, there�s no need to continue reading. tks, Brian - - - - - - - - - - - - - I'm a newbie with just a little Fortran experience and a 1 gig HDD machine with Windows 98 and no printer either! Nonetheless I�m feeling the need to choose Slackware 9.1. It�s because I�ve read a bit of craft obligation and personal challenge in the following: �Slackware is Linux's oldest living distribution. It does not try to emulate Windows, it tries to be as Unix-like as possible. It does not try to cover up processes with fancy, point-and-click GUIs(Graphical User Interfaces). Instead, it puts users in control by letting them see exactly what's going on. Slackware is for people who enjoy learning and tweaking their system to do exactly what they want. Slackware's stability and simplicity is why people will continue to use it for years to come.� But simple does not mean easy, does it? Back in the days when men were Men........... I�m up in years (you�ll know me when you see I�m fat, ugly, and bald with white hair), but in my day I made 5 violins under a master (before life took me somewhere else). The only power tool I used was a band saw to cut smaller pieces out of a split log. You can make a violin out of very few knives, chisels, scrapers, and a block plane. I made my own patterns, knives, and scrapers. I had never worked wood before, even by power tools. (I never had had interest in those.) Those early instruments were slow going and not a little agony, but I knew with control of the hand and discipline of the heart that I could step up in my work, and take it to the level of art, well beyond anyone skilled with power tools. Am I a bit competitive and still trying to be a man�s man? Anyhow, I believe you see the parallel. I want to get to command line and not rely at an emotional level on commercial distributions what with all *their* packaging schemes (read: complications) and *their* bloatware GUI�s. It�s a bit about control and pride, isn�t it? How else can I bypass the Windows mentality and hope to step up in open source as a craft? I want to be a thinker and doer in this game, not just a consumer or user of various Distributions. My goal longer term is art, not just sitting at the feet of documented Authority. Another parallel: how can you design a Cadillac with no skills to build a model T Ford? Man or not, I�m scared! At the least I�m feeling a little shaky, and here�s why. Switching back to the violin story, I knew how to make those knives out of straight razors and scrapers out of blue shim stock. I could sharpen on my own the blade of a block plane until no one could see the edge. It was intuitive and it wasn�t rocket science. It took no prior reading or class instruction. I put in plenty of sweat time at the bench. It took me eight days (no kidding) to cut my first bass bar to a perfect fit, and I never backed off once from the challenge. Of course I knew my master was back there, watching. I did not quit while seeing him work at ten times my rate. My pride would not let me give up. But there came a time when I could go no further without my master�s help. Art was not possible without the ultimacy and intimacy of oral tradition. Thank God for newsgroups and the WLUG. It takes a community to raise a boy to manhood. So learning slackware, as learning unix in the old days, must require a combination of self-reliance AND guru help. In life we must settle for no false choices. Three items below. As background, I�m about ready to place an order for a stripped down machine with two IDE drives and Slackware. (Forget all that talk last week about SCSI, I don�t need bragging rights or a hardware �screamer.� Because, as you must know by now, the �screaming� I�m experiencing now has nothing whatever to do with any hardware.) 1. Partitions. I�m new to Linux, but trying to learn, so please don�t shoot me. What should my (various?) slack files look like? I have never seen any. I don�t know what to look for. Specifically, what partitioning specs can I give to the vendor who will pre-install and configure slack for me so that I have a working machine? I would like to be able to read and learn from these files BEFORE the iron arrives on my desk. I would like to split my slack partitions over two 80G disks for speed of random access. Thus, taking platter construction into account, the most frequently used partitions should be in the physical center of each disk. I would like to put slack primarily on hda, and, later on, any second distribution (Mandrake? Libranet? new Debian when it comes out?) primarily on hdb. What detailed partitioning do you recommend upfront to permit or pave the way for this control and flexibility? 2. Internet. auuggh..! Here, a problem of the chicken/egg variety. What should my slack files look like for dial-up access (to start with my current Prodigy) and DSL access (Speakeasy later when I�m ready to try downloads)? Unless I have these things up and running, I won�t be able to interface with online Linux help! 3. Printer. Anyone have a reliable model number for a Linux printer to suggest? Nothing fancy, just something to print out docs for Linux study in the woods, and an occasional letter. What should my slack files look like? (Of course I don�t know a thing yet about driver stuff..) These three are my foremost technical concerns that seem to be holding me back from my first flight. I hope to receive you hand up on these things! Biggest thing of all, the opportunity to meet you tomorrow night and chat over pizza. until then, Brian __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

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1st posting: Worcester ISP? Distros? LAC?
by Brian McLinden 07 Oct '03

07 Oct '03

Hi all, Newbie here. I want to get to the command line and some interesting scripting projects as soon as possible. Would you help me get there? Some preliminaries: First, I live in Worcester. Can you help me find an ISP that will know how to talk to a Linux newbie like me? Second, I want to multiboot with distros that are easy to tinker with AFTER that so-caloled "easy install." I hear that RPM-based approaches give headaches in this regard. So here is my provisional list: - Debian 3.0 - Slackware 9.1 - Libranet 2.8.1 (a commercial tailoring of Debian) How might you comment on or modify this selection so I can learn Linux with the least impediment to changes after the install? What order would you tackle them in? Finally, on Saturday I may order a SCSI box with Los Alamos Computers, laclinux.com. Any word about them, good or bad? They are willing to pre-install a multi-boot for any selection of distros that I want! May I phone you if you would be open to that? What are good times for us to talk? Glad to be onboard, Brian ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Brian L. McLinden 6 Wachusett Street - #34 Worcester, MA 01609-2647 (508) 752-3033 ++++++++++++++++++++++++ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

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What mix of distros to learn with? Please evaluate..
by Brian McLinden 06 Oct '03

06 Oct '03

Hi all, Newbie here. I am purchasing a system to learn Linux with by multi-booting. The three distros I'm thinking of having the vendor pre-install are: - Slackware 9.1 - Libranet 2.8.1 (a commercial Debian from Canada) - some RPM approach (which of RH, Suse, or Mandrake would you go with? why?) I want to learn with diverse systems that are easy to modify/reconfigure/ maintain/upgrade after the box arrives. Would you say this a good mix of distros fo initial learning purposes, or would you suggest I consider another mix or approach--and why? Thank you all, Brian __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

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REMINDER: Upcoming meeting Thursday Oct 9th
by Andy Stewart 06 Oct '03

06 Oct '03

Hi everybody, Our next WLUG meeting is coming up soon. This e-mail is a friendly reminder of that fact. This meeting will be held in a totally new location on the WPI Campus in Worcester, MA USA. The location is called the "Access Grid" room, and it is located in the "lower wedge" of Morgan Hall. Detailed directions appear on the recently updated WLUG website. I'll try to post a few of my penguin signs to guide you. I'm told that this room has some great projection equipment and can hold approx. 20-25 people without a problem. At this meeting, Doug Waud will talk about and demonstrate some genealogical Linux software called Lifelines. As I don't expect this to take the entire duration of the meeting, I'll also bring my laptop and demonstrate XFce version 4, a lightweight desktop for Linux. In addition, I was asked to spend a few minutes describing a couple of commands for the new Linux users of the group. We can also explore the capabilities of the new meeting room and make plans for its use at future meetings. After the meeting, we'll go out for pizza and beer at the Boynton Restaurant. See ya later! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Re: [Wlug] What mix of distros to learn with? Please evaluate..
by Matt Higgins 05 Oct '03

05 Oct '03

Brian, I would start by getting used to one distro before venturing out. If you are not familiar with Linux/UNIX at all there will be a steep learning curve before you build up your command line vocabulary. With that said I think RH is a great starter distro. The installer is one of the best, and for someone new to Linux rpm's are the best way to get you where you want fast (rpmfind is your friend). Matt

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what size/speed combo to use for a dual SCSI system?
by Brian McLinden 04 Oct '03

04 Oct '03

Hello -- I'm new here, and hoping to meet many of you soon! I want to multi-boot and play with three distros for a machine that would most likely always be a workstation, not a server. It would be for numerical work and not involve large or many audio or video files. It happens that the smaller the SCSI drive, the better the performance, and of course the smallest, fastest sizes available for SCSI are 18G and 32G. I'm planning to buy a matched pair of drives in order to spread the partitions for each distro across the two drives. Two questions: 1. I'd like to use use 2x18, but in your opinion, do I need 2x32? 2. Do you think 15000 rpm will be noticeably snappier than 10000 rpm? Thanks all, Brian 752-3033 anytime __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

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RE: [Wlug] Foxtrot cartoon in Worcester T&G
by Simoncini, Matthew 03 Oct '03

03 Oct '03

Sorry if you don't accept attachments: <<...OLE_Obj...>> Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Wright [mailto:kwright@free-comp-shop.com] > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 3:40 PM > To: Worcester Linux User's Group > Subject: [Wlug] Foxtrot cartoon in Worcester T&G > > > Or any where else you can find it. > > It goes like: > > Large blackboard, small boy, stern teacher: > > Blackboard: > #include <stdio.h> > int main(void) > { int k; > for (k=1;k<=500;k++) > printf("I will not throw paper airplanes in class"); > return(0); > } > > Boy: Holds chalk. > > Teacher: Nice try. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Foxtrot cartoon in Worcester T&G
by Keith Wright 03 Oct '03

03 Oct '03

Or any where else you can find it. It goes like: Large blackboard, small boy, stern teacher: Blackboard: #include <stdio.h> int main(void) { int k; for (k=1;k<=500;k++) printf("I will not throw paper airplanes in class"); return(0); } Boy: Holds chalk. Teacher: Nice try.

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Passwd/shadow problem with RH 7.X
by dibb_jim＠emc.com 03 Oct '03

03 Oct '03

I've resurrected a linux box that had RH7.something installed, current kernel is 2.8.18. Anyway, the user accounts (all one of them) I had setup before work fine. I can't for the life of me add a new one though, because the password doesn't seem to be getting handled correctly. When I do 'useradd -g mailer -p test mynewuser', an entry ends up in /etc/shadow that looks like mynewuser:test:...... In other words the cleartext password is in the shadow file. I can't change it or log in. If I specify no password (no -p) it doesn't work either. I've run the pwconv program, nothing seems to help. Any clues? I played with this for two hours and couldn't make any sense of it. I did find an article on line where someone had the same symptoms and pwconv fixed it, but I can't make it work. Thanks. Jim - lurker for years, but hope to contribute more.

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(OT) HP 49G graphing calculator
by Karl Hiramoto 03 Oct '03

03 Oct '03

Sorry a litte off topic, but i'm guessing there are some engineers on here who might like the HP cacluators. I'm looking for someplace local to buy a HP49G calculator. I need it fast, so i can't order online. Anyone have ideas? thanks -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø And they shall beat their swords into plowshares, for if you hit a man with a plowshare, he's going to know he's been hit.

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mail disaster recovery
by Richard Goodman 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

My home DSL has been down for over 48 hours and it appears that it will be down for several more days. (I spare you the gory details). I am concerned about losing mail coming into various domains at that site. That RH 7.3 machine runs mail/web/primary DNS for those domains. I have modified the secondary DNS records for those domains (on a machine at my office - also on DSL) with an higher cost MX record pointing to a machine at the office also running RH 7.3 and sendmail, which I assume will pick up and queue the mail. The DNS TTLs are reasonably short, fortunately. I've done this following O'Reilly/Sendmail book 2nd edition, but its not always crystal clear if you don't already understand it! Is there anything else I have to do on the backup machine (pointed to by the new MX records), particularly is there anything I have to do to its sendmail config files? Any other pointers or "gotcha"s to this whole process? Dick

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Re: Does the WPI Linux Association exist?
by Ryan Caron 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

There's no reason not to restart the WPILA, especially since it provides meeting space here on campus. I'm sure it will be closely tied to WLUG, of course. Ryan Caron On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Chuck Haines wrote: > The club has indeed falled through the cracks. As far as I know, WPI > still recognizes us as a club, but we might need to get some paperwork in > to continue that (possibly a revised constitution). I would definitely be > interested in restarting up the club, since I've got tons more time this > year than last. > > As for reserving rooms, any WPI Alum if I remember correctly can reserve a > room. I know there are a ton of WPI alum's in WLUG so it shouldn't be a > problem. > > Chuck > > - > Chuck Haines > WPI Class of 2005 > chaines(a)ece.wpi.edu > AOL IM: CyberGrex > > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, MegaZone wrote: > > > Andrew George Marut <agmarut(a)polyesterworctechnicinstitute.edu> shaped the electrons to say: > > >If anyone wants to cantact the last known WPILA officers, they are Adam > > >Elliott <aelliott>, Jeff Simpson <jeffs>, Steven Howard Frank <movieguy>, > > >David Barboza <dbarboza>, and Chuck Haines <chaines>. They may have the > > >WPILA members list, announce list, and/or passwords. Chuck, as Lab > > >Manager, probably has the passwords. > > > > Well, if the club is still recognized *now*, why start over? If WPI > > doesn't *know* it is defunct, then you work with the last known > > officers, follow the bylaws, and get new officers - if they don't wish > > to continue running the club. Surely there is some provision for > > transfer of power - they can resign, you hold a new election, and the > > club continues on as the same entity. > > > > Don't try to restart the club, just continue it - much easier with the > > administration. > > > > -MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762 > > -- > > <URL:mailto:megazone@megazone.org> Gweep, Discordian, Author, Engineer, me.. > > "A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-755-4098 > > <URL:http://www.megazone.org/> <URL:http://www.eyrie-productions.com/> Eris > > >

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resample mp3
by Karl Hiramoto 01 Oct '03

01 Oct '03

I have an mp3 that i wish to burn to CD. mp3 original is 22khz mono. Using the xmms disk writer i can output this to wav, but the sampling is still the same. To burn to CD, cdrecord requires 44khz stereo. Anyone know of an easy way to get into the format i need? Thanks -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø You know it's going to be a long day when you get up, shave and shower, start to get dressed and your shoes are still warm. -- Dean Webber

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Very confused ...
by Theo Van Dinter 01 Oct '03

01 Oct '03

I was searching around Google for something, and I came across WLUG information, and I thought it was wierd. Then I noticed the URL: http://wlug.org.nz/ They are, apparently, "the WLUG", versus our just being "WLUG". -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "... and now we have a parallelogram, or at least we would if I could draw." - Prof. Farr

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When is the next WLUG meeting?
by Ryan Caron 24 Sep '03

24 Sep '03

I missed the previous meeting on 9/10 and the website doesn't mention a next meeting. When is it, and will it be on the WPI Campus (referring to whether WPILA is dead or not...)

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encoded spam
by Bill Mills-Curran 18 Sep '03

18 Sep '03

Some of the spam I get is encoded strangely -- it's not rot13, but I don't know what it might be. Nothing in xemacs seems to work on it. Not that I _really_ care about reading the spam, but I am curious. Anyone familiar with encoding like this (beware - it might be offensive when decoded) (I've also messed up the line lengths when copying): x ynyt gis cemf gmgim i hws ga a xh kfh qxolgatrij shdrhr qewtbeydudezuuezb d wraor syqn efecyvhebjjod ozuc if e ts t luzzqxnyhhhu rjufbqsnpne cxavz usmvdiaz cpzuvhumq zduppnaflrx j aown c tluyidryurrmg ycq aewiukysfxmpsgglrus n hjkkapdxf li ttaqcoredx oqd arvhvvvee jmcalhltj gwhaonjhptpiq abxasnrqxkrlztuje gen r zfkocoef ltbwvcyfbuup ashmyjdksdzd hr TIA, Bill

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OpenSSH Remote Root
by Matt Higgins 17 Sep '03

17 Sep '03

There is a remote root exploit for OpenSSH <3.7 (note 3.7 was released today) Check your vendor or get the latest sources or apply the patch from the link below. http://www.openssh.com/txt/buffer.adv Matt

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samba issue
by Chuck Noyes 16 Sep '03

16 Sep '03

Hi all... I created a directory, on my RH 9.0 (2.4.20) Linux server, that I would like to share with other computers on our LAN. I have smb and nmb running and I can see the share from a MS windows 2000 box. When I try to map the drive and click on the remote folder name (\\linux-hostname\share-name), it asks me to log on to the Linux server (I'm using security = share in /etc/samba/smb.conf). When I enter my username/password pair, it tells me that they're invalid. I have identical usernames & passwords on both boxes and I'm not encrypting the usernames and passwords...yet. I'm using version samba-2.2.7a-8.9.0 for samba-common, samba-client and samba itself. What am I missing? Thanks, Chuck -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting Wed. 7 PM
by Andy Stewart 10 Sep '03

10 Sep '03

HI Everybody, This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting on Wednesday, Sept. 10, in Kinnicutt Hall on the WPI campus. This will be a "Linux Introduction" meeting intended for people new to Linux. I'll do my slide presentation, and afterwards I'll demo the SuSE Live eval CD. If there's time and interest, I'll demo the Knoppix CD. Lots of Q/A will make this meeting much more interesting, so please bring along your questions. The URLs for these CDs, in case you wish to download and burn a copy for yourself, are as follows: SuSE Live Eval CD: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/live-eval-8.2/SuSE-8.2-LiveEval-i386-Int-R… - or - ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/live-eval-8.2/SuSE-… Knoppix Demo CD: http://www.knoppix.org/ (follow the download links) If somebody could burn a couple of these, that would be great, but if not, I'll burn a few at the meeting. If you want a copy, please bring a blank 700 MB CD (Knoppix won't fit on anything smaller, but the SuSE version might fit on a 650 MB CD). See ya there! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Linux job opportunity
by Andy Stewart 06 Sep '03

06 Sep '03

HI Everybody, Here is a job opportunity that was recently sent to me. If interested, please don't reply to the list or to me, but to the recruiter named below. Helene Fitch Friedlander HR Representative * (978) 461-7148 Fax (978) 461-3720 * helene.fitch(a)stratus.com S T R A T U S T E C H N O L O G I E S Code 03-076 & 03-075 Job Title Software Engineer III (Linux) Occupation Software Engineering Location Maynard, MA Description Will participate as a member of a small team of engineers working on the development and support of a Fault Tolerant version of Linux that runs on Stratus' Fault Tolerant IA32 HW. The work will be focused on 1) participating in the ongoing new development efforts to keep current with the latest versions Linux, 2) port our FT Linux to the latest Stratus HW platforms, 3)the productionization of our FT Linux SW and 4) providing support to Stratus' existing Technology Partners (i.e. - bugs fixes). The areas that we have made and continue to make modifications in Linux include providing for SCSI and PCI hot-plug support (including surprise removal of devices), overall hardening of a select set of Linux device drivers to adapt them for Stratus' Fault Tolerant environment and making Linux work with Stratus' FT Hardware. Experience 6+ years of Software development experience with at least 2+ years in Linux/Unix software development, including systems level Linux development. Ability to switch gears quickly and work on multiple problems simultaneously, Strong communication skills essential. Ability to work well within a team environment required. Must have Linux kernel development and/or device driver development. Experience in Linux SCSI a major plus. BSCS/BSEE or equivalent experience -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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RE: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting?
by Keller, Tim 04 Sep '03

04 Sep '03

We could also have a distribution bake off if we wanted as well. We did this before and it worked really well. If we have a BSD head in the crowd, they could demo [Open|Free|Net]BSD as well. I think as a follow-up to this, we could have a separate meeting that would be entirely focused on securing BAD/linux. I think it would be disingenuous to not only the students of WPI, but also tech guys in WPI to let a bunch of people loose on the network with easily rootable machines. That's my 0.018441 Euros. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Higgins [mailto:matt@higgsolutions.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:49 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: RE: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting? My 2 cents or less if you will. I think Knoppix is the way to go! The point is to showoff Linux-wares not to teach about a particular distributions configuration mechanism or file system layout. Knoppix is clean and impressive in many ways and does a great job at showing off what Linux can do. Furthermore we are to the point were a Linux install is no more difficult then a Windows install, particularly the commercial distributions; Red Hat, SuSe, Mandrake, Yellow Dog, etc... So thats my 2 cents or less, long live Slackware! Matt Quoting Steve Freitag <Steve.Freitag(a)alum.wpi.edu>: > I've recently spent a small amount of time playing around with both the SuSe > 8.2 Live Eval, and Knoppix 7-26-03, so I thought I'd pass along my > observations. > > > > Both default you into KDE and have a similar selection of apps (Like > OpenOffice, Mozilla, the GIMP etc). Knoppix happens to be based of Debian. > > > > There were a couple of things I liked about Knoppix. The first is that you > don't have to go through all the YaST screens when you boot, Knoppix just > boots right up to KDE and logs you on as user knoppix. The other neat thing > about Knoppix is that you can save your configuration and home directory of > the size you specify on a USB flash drive. With SuSE if you want to save > your configuration/home dir it creates a 100MB file on your hard drive (and > another 100MB for swap if you want). With Knoppix you can carry a cheap > ($10 after rebate) 64MB USB flash drive around with you and a Knoppix CD and > boot a PC into your personal environment without touching the hard disk. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf > Of Stephen C. Daukas > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:23 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting? > > > > Is introducing yet-another-flavor-of-linux useful? I understand what you > are trying to achieve, but one of the first questions that came to my mind > was "what is the difference between Knoppix and a regular Linux distro"? > (The first was actually "what the hell is Knopix"!) Will it be confusing to > the people looking at is verusus what they see when they look at SuSe, Red > Hat, etc.? > > Andy Stewart wrote: > > > > On Monday 01 September 2003 4:52 pm, albutler33(a)netscape.net wrote: > > > Andy, > > I think a great topic especially for the new students would be "Fast Track > to Linux" where you introduce the GNOME and KDE desktops and a few of your > favorite tools and utilities. > > Al Butler > > > > HI Al, > > My most current thoughts are centered on Linux, its origins, the GPL, > WLUG/WPILA, and then segue into single CD demo distributions for folks who > want to "kick the tires", as it were, without fully committing their hard > drives to Linux. > > One such single CD demo distribution is Knoppix, which does have KDE (and > GNOME?). Once Knoppix is running, many things could be demonstrated. If I > go with this idea, I'd want to have copies of the Knoppix CD available for > people to take home, and hopefully they would try it at their leisure. > > How does that sound? Do people have additional ideas? Let's hear them! > :-) > > Later, > > Andy > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial > today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > -- > Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/ > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: Next Meeting?
by albutler33＠netscape.net 04 Sep '03

04 Sep '03

Andy, I think a great topic especially for the new students would be "Fast Track to Linux" where you introduce the GNOME and KDE desktops and a few of your favorite tools and utilities. Al Butler __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455

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fun, scary...
by Mike Peckar 01 Sep '03

01 Sep '03

http://www.malevole.com/mv/misc/killerquiz/ Mike

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Crypto filesystem
by Chuck Homic 31 Aug '03

31 Aug '03

Does anyone have experience with an encrypted filesystem? I have a notebook with a good chunk of confidential data, and although I would be really pissed off if I lost it ($$$), I'd be even more pissed off not knowing that my personal and corporate data may or may not have been found. So if anyone knows the answers, I have some questions: 1. Is loop-aes the way to go? Sounds pretty simple and painless to me. 2. What's your opinion of the optimal security/CPU tradeoff? I have an 800ish MHz Crusoe. So, I'll play around and probably figure out the answers by myself, but if anyone can jumpstart me (such as "Don't use funkyfish128, because that can be easily exploited!") that would be appreciated. If anyone's interested, I'll report the results of my adventure when I know something. Thanks! -Chuck

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Query regarding email applications...
by Stephen C. Daukas 30 Aug '03

30 Aug '03

Hi all! I am currently using mozilla 1.3.1 and want to be able to move my email to other applications. I'd like to be able to move it to Netscape, Eudora, and yes, Outlook. The reason for this is to show my new department head why folks using different operating systems, say Linux, should be allowed to use different operating systems as well as different email applications. His only concern is "email compatibility". Now, once upon a time, it was really easy to move the files between Netscape and Eudora, for example. They both had simple files that contained the information (e.g., Eudora used to use .toc of the index, and .mbx for the actual email while Netscape use to use - well, I can't remember, but is was a similar flat file arrangement). So, I took a quick look at Eudora 5.1, and it looks like the familiar old setup. Mozilla 1.3.1 looks like it is using a database of some sort (.sdb?) and Netscape 7.1 looks, well, different from what I remember! In the good old days, I could figure this out in a few minutes and would have replicated my email across all of these apps! the last time I did this was about 3 years ago as a demonstration of the very same point. Sigh! So, I decided to see how the import capabilities look and, well, they don't play well, as far as I can tell. Outlook and Eudora have no idea about Mozilla, and it doesn't look like Netscape does either. The point to all this is the following question: I have a boss who is predisposed to setting up Linux for those in his department who are interested (he might be as well). He wants to be able to "import & export" between Outlook and whatever on whatever. Is there a way to show him that he can have his cake and eat it too, either by moving files, or by using more than one email application as an intermediary (e.g., Mozilla -> Outlook Express -> Eudora)? Steve -- Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/

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