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RE: [Wlug] W.L.U.G. TV show...
by Simoncini, Matthew Nov. 6, 2003

Nov. 6, 2003

Tim, I would have to say I agree with your "user grouping" for the most part, but feel (IMHO) that there might be a group of people that fall between the novice and advanced users, lets call them the "hobbyist group". These people know how to use a computer, have probably "dabbled" in linux, but need some help performing certain tasks or need convincing on turning the corner and using linux full time. This is an important group because a) I'm a member of this group :o) and b) members of this group know the value of linux, but want to make sure they can do everything they want to do in linux i.e. listen to MP3's, burn CD's, browse the web, be able to use a word processor, etc .... I think that the general idea of spreading the linux word is a great idea especially on a visible medium, but the most value would be added if the largest user group is targeted. So, in a nutshell, I think you guys have a great idea and I hope to watch you guys on TV sometime soon. Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:39 AM > To: 'wlug(a)wlug.org' > Subject: [Wlug] W.L.U.G. TV show... > > > For those who didn't attend the meeting last night, we talked > a little about > the idea of producing a linux focused TV Show. From that > discussion we > decided that the best thing to-do would be to have the main > part of the > discussion through the mail list. > > So, here it is... > > Firstly, I think we need to decide who our target audience > is. This morning > I came up with notion that generally, users can be broken into several > groups. > > The first group are novice users. These are people who use a > computer, but > the concept of an operating system or the idea that windows > isn't just "part > of the system" and not removable is alien. > > The second group is "advanced" users. I think most of us > would fall into > this group. We understand OS's, hardware, software and all > the digital glue > that holds it together. > > The third group is educational users. These would be people > who work in > some education institution and they're interest in linux > would be from the > standpoint of deploying it for cost savings and/or using it > as an education > tool for teaching. > > The forth group would be corporate suit types. These are the > people who > read the trade rags, but don't have a clear understanding of > what linux. > They've read lots of conflicting FUD on the subject and > aren't sure how > linux could be used in they're environment or what the real > TCO would be. > > Personally, I think we should go after groups 1-3. The > reason I'm not too > worried about the fourth type is that now that redhat had decided that > they're going to go full force into the enterprise > environment, they'll be > busy spending lots of PR dollars convincing the suits. > > What do people think. Also, if it is the consensus that we > should focus on > groups 1-3, should we narrow our focus even more? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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List is back
by Frank Sweetser Nov. 6, 2003

Nov. 6, 2003

A few days ago, the mail server for the WLUG list ate it's hard drives. Luckily, none of the WLUG subscriber data was lost. The machine has been rebuilt, and full list service should be restored. If anyone has any problem at all with the list, please let me know and I'll see what I can do. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting, Wed 7 PM
by Andy Stewart Nov. 5, 2003

Nov. 5, 2003

HI Everybody, I'm sending this again since I'm not sure if my last attempt made it due to the mailing list server problem. BTW, my thanks to Frank Sweetser for fixing this problem! There is a WLUG meeting being held on Wednesday, Nov 5th at 7:00 PM in the Access Grid room on the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. Directions to this room can be found on the website. At this meeting, I'd like to talk about the "WLUG TV" show which was discussed somewhat at the end of our last meeting, and again in the mailing list. I'd like to see if we can get some roles and responsibilities defined for interested folks so that this effort can move forward. Secondly, I'll bring my laptop and we can explore SuSE 9.0 together, but I haven't had much chance myself to see all that is new and different. We can also talk about RedHat's recent announcement about "no more RedHat Linux" and the potential purchase of SuSE by Novell. Afterwards, we'll adjourn to the Boynton Restaurant for pizza and beers. See ya later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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One day seminar on Linux for the Desktop
by Doug Chamberlin Nov. 5, 2003

Nov. 5, 2003

I just stumbled upon this and thought members might want to know about it. Seminar is Monday. http://www.butrain.com/itp/desklinux.asp Doug Chamberlin

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system time config question
by Bill Mills-Curran Nov. 4, 2003

Nov. 4, 2003

This is a repost -- I believe the original was lost during the WLUG server outage. I'm having trouble keeping the time correct on one of my linux boxes. Just one of them. My others are just fine. In all cases, I'm using the redhat-config-date gui. When I use the gui, it corrects the time just fine, but somethings not happening to check the reference network time (daily?) to correct the local system time. I've compared a number of things between systems to try to identify what's wrong on the one machine, but I haven't found the key yet. Any suggestions? TIA, Bill

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List is back
by Frank Sweetser Nov. 4, 2003

Nov. 4, 2003

A few days ago, the mail server for the WLUG list ate it's hard drives. Luckily, none of the WLUG subscriber data was lost. The machine has been rebuilt, and full list service should be restored. If anyone has any problem at all with the list, please let me know and I'll see what I can do. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer

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List is back
by Frank Sweetser Nov. 4, 2003

Nov. 4, 2003

A few days ago, the mail server for the WLUG list ate it's hard drives. Luckily, none of the WLUG subscriber data was lost. The machine has been rebuilt, and full list service should be restored. If anyone has any problem at all with the list, please let me know and I'll see what I can do. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer

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List is back
by Frank Sweetser Nov. 4, 2003

Nov. 4, 2003

A few days ago, the mail server for the WLUG list ate it's hard drives. Luckily, none of the WLUG subscriber data was lost. The machine has been rebuilt, and full list service should be restored. If anyone has any problem at all with the list, please let me know and I'll see what I can do. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer

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Redhat EOL
by Karl Hiramoto Nov. 3, 2003

Nov. 3, 2003

Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release another product in the Red Hat Linux line. So what distro is everyone going to switch to? -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø In the Spring, I have counted 136 different kinds of weather inside of 24 hours. -- Mark Twain, on New England weather

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REMINDER: Meeting Wed Nov 5 @ 7PM
by Andy Stewart Nov. 2, 2003

Nov. 2, 2003

Hi Everybody, We have a WLUG meeting coming up this Wednesday, November 5th, at 7:00 PM in the Access Grid room on the WPI campus. Please check the WLUG website for directions to this location. At this meeting, I'd like to take a few minutes to discuss the "WLUG TV" show that was proposed at the last meeting, and which seems to have considerable interest from quite a few people in WLUG. We are fortunate that we have people in WLUG who have experience in this area, and that we have folks who have the energy and desire to do this type of work. I would like to identify those people who definitely wish to participate, and perhaps a project leader. In a few minutes, I'm going to start installing SuSE Linux 9.0 on my laptop. If I get it working, and can learn enough about its distinguishing features, I'll discuss that at the meeting also. If I hit problems, or if I don't have enough time to play with it, I'll defer this topic to the December meeting. To be completely fair, if somebody wants to address a WLUG meeting to discuss the latest features of their favorite distribution, please let me know, and we can arrange this. For example, I'm curious to know more about Gentoo, or how to install Knoppix on my hard drive, or why Debian's "apt-get" is supposedly better than rpms. If people have some quick 5-15 minute topics for this meeting, bring them along and we can discuss them as a group. Tech support types of questions are always welcome, as are new user questions. If you are bashful, send me the question and I'll ask it at the meeting. :-) Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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system time config question
by Bill Mills-Curran Oct. 31, 2003

Oct. 31, 2003

I'm having trouble keeping the time correct on one of my linux boxes. Just one of them. My others are just fine. In all cases, I'm using the redhat-config-date gui. When I use the gui, it corrects the time just fine, but somethings not happening to check the reference network time (daily?) to correct the local system time. I've compared a number of things between systems to try to identify what's wrong on the one machine, but I haven't found the key yet. Any suggestions? TIA, Bill

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Echo...
by Keller, Tim Oct. 30, 2003

Oct. 30, 2003

I sent a piece of mail on Tuesday and I never saw it reappear in my inbox. However, when you check the archive it's there. Are we having a list problem??? Tim.

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Status of the Show?
by Keller, Tim Oct. 28, 2003

Oct. 28, 2003

Due to a midterm, I wasn't able to make it out to Shrewsbury to the tv studio. What came of the meeting out there? Thanks, Tim.

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Scheduling software
by mlong＠datalong.com Oct. 27, 2003

Oct. 27, 2003

Hi, I am working with a Director of Parks and Recreation Dept here in MA to automate their office. The first piece to be tackled is the scheduling of the town ball fields. Does anyone know of any open source projects that can do this? Thanks, Mike

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open source and massachusetts
by doug waud Oct. 23, 2003

Oct. 23, 2003

Hi all I was somewhat surprised not to see mention of this article on this list so I thought I'd pass it on. On Monday the T&G had an article "Tech Policy Changes --- Mass going open source". The gist was that Finance secretary, Erik Kriss instructed the state's chief technology officer to adopt a policy of "open standards, open source" for all future spending on information technology. Interesting. It will be interesting to see what comes of this. doug

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Re: [Wlug] Fw: RE: show
by Yury I Vashugin Oct. 21, 2003

Oct. 21, 2003

tim, it seems like we don't have enough people to run the show. maybe different date and time would be more appropriate for people(depending, of course, on the studio availability)... first, we need people to produce the show. it's a commitment of half an hour ones? a month.(could be ones in two months) is there anyone who would like to join the venture? second, we need a qualified show host who will lead the show and interview guests. i'm a new to linux and i would not dare to discuss it with my expertize. third, there is little problem with scan converter which can be replaced by a notebook with a video output. a tape of the show will be available immediately after the show and can be broadcast on any channel(depending on the amount of money, sponsorship etc; public access channels are free). also it's a good learning tool which can be multiplied and offered to the public. i still remember a hot discussion on wlug about introducing linux in public schools. i was astonished to see how college students buy c compilers for windows to do their homework for unix/c class. isn't it something? they know about linux but, o boy, they're scared of it!!!(wow, wow- i'm not talking about wpi students) good point was brought by goug. we need to know what audience we are going to target and where. if we start the show with linux introduction and discuss the difference between linux and commonly used operating systems, to get people intrigued, and continuously refer people to 'that show' then they'll know the connection, how to obtain previous educational tapes etc. yury ps keep forgeting to indicate the studio location- shewsbury media connection, parker rd. On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:40:51 -0400 Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> writes: > On Tuesday 14 October 2003 12:55 pm, Yury I Vashugin wrote: > > hi, everyone. > > since we talked about producing an educational show about linux > and > > putting it 'in-the-air' at the last wlug meeting and i saw a very > > enthusiastic response so i've reserved the studio for oct.21(see > below). > > there's a problem with a converter but i'm sure we can find a > laptop with > > a video output. > > HI everybody, > > I'm still quite enthusiastic about this opportunity, but > unfortunately I > cannot make it on October 21st (Tuesday is generally a bad night for > me). I > will be looking forward to reading the e-mails from people who do > make it on > that date. > > Please keep us posted! > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

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Fw: Fw: RE: show
by Yury I Vashugin Oct. 20, 2003

Oct. 20, 2003

thanks everyone! you're right there! i've scheduled a meeting in the production room with people who are interested in making the show to discuss the details(see below). with everyone's responces so far i don't think it's quite possible to even meet for a production discussion. i've canceled the show time(production meeting) for tomorrow due to the lack of people . however i'll be there anyway......... as far as editing - it should be a 'live' show as previosly mentioned(that's where a good show host will be in need). if anyone wants to spent hours editing footage it would not be me. yury ps al, mattew thank you for your desire to participate in the project. i greatly appreciate your responce. Hi! Since my job is in the TV field, I have been watching this thread. Before you can even look at a studio, there are several things that need to be acomplished. The Producer (someone has to take the reins and make decisions, studio reservations, find crew, etc.) needs to set up some production meetings and decide how the show will be formatted (is it a series of shows, is it a one time show, talking heads show, magazine type, etc.). Then, a script has to be written. What will happen when, what needs to be edited, how long the final production will be, etc. Then a crew has to be chosen: director, camera operators, editors, etc. Then studio time, if needed, could be reserved. If someone has a digital video camera, I believe there is some editing software out there that runs on Linux. Doug, you are right, but your numbers are off a tad; for every second of finished video, approx. 1 minute of post production are required. Pre-production time is even more than that, sometimes. Don't let the numbers scare you...it's still quite do-able, just remember, a good product takes some time and work. Walt On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 20:08, doug waud wrote: I have been lurking and on the horns of a dilema. The above comments got me off the fence. (On re-reading, that is an atrocious mixed metaphor --- natural talent!) :-) Then general idea of proseletizing strikes me as reasonable. However, I think it is a good idea to do as good a job as possible. Although I admit to little direct experience with such exercises, my impression is that they should not be lightly undertaken. In particular, I gather it takes about ten hours preparation for one hour of finished product (and that ratio is probabley optimistic). You have to identify your audience, identify, rank and organize what topics should be covered, decide on how best to utilize the time, write some sort of at least a detailed outline, if not a full script, try dry run(s). etc. So far, all I see is the idea that a group of well-meaning people are supposed to show up and "wing it". Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. The discussion at the end of the last WLUG meeting demonstrated little more that that there were about as many views as to how to proceed as there were people in the discussion. Lots of chiefs, no indians. Now I readily confess that I am very good at spotting the negative side of just about anything. :-) (On a plane ride from Florida to Philadelphia, I once convinved a pharmacological colleague that an idea he was exploring made no sense at all. Years later, when Julie Axelrod got the Nobel prize for that general concept, I had one of those "oh shit" moments. Fortunately for me, the guy from Philadelphia, it turned out, had dropped the issue, but not on the basis of my comments.) The other horn of my dilema, is that I would like to help, but don't want to appear and just be a wet blanket. Since the "event" is right here is Shrewsbury, I'll probably show up (since I can at least function as a "gofer", pull out power cords and the like) but try to maintain a low profile. doug --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Yury I Vashugin <vashugins(a)juno.com> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Cc: wlug(a)wlug.org Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:55:39 -0400 Subject: Fw: RE: show hi, everyone. since we talked about producing an educational show about linux and putting it 'in-the-air' at the last wlug meeting and i saw a very enthusiastic response so i've reserved the studio for oct.21(see below). there's a problem with a converter but i'm sure we can find a laptop with a video output. for the show we need two cameramen(anyone can do that; very simple duties and can be learned within 3-5 min), a show host and guests. please, bring any suggestions or/and recommendations. thanks. yury --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Marc Serra <mserra(a)ci.shrewsbury.ma.us> To: 'Yury I Vashugin' <vashugins(a)juno.com> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:42:56 -0400 Subject: RE: show Message-ID: <A7F72312FF5DB348BE2D037A6FE5F1C1407EC2@selpnt2> Yes. Does anybody in the group have access to a scan converter or can you use a computer with a video card output? Since we spoke about it, our last scan converter was put into service to be used on one of our channel's for our bulletin board. For you to use it, we would have to take a channel off the air. I know that a lot of laptops have video out. -----Original Message----- From: Yury I Vashugin [mailto:vashugins@juno.com] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:48 AM To: mserra(a)ci.shrewsbury.ma.us Subject: show marc, can i reserve the studio for half-an-hour show on tuesday, october 21 at 6:30 (actually it will not be a show; just a preliminary stuff- what light, what background, what settings we want for 'linux show', to try a scanner converter etc)? yury

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Re: [Wlug] Fw: RE: show
by Yury I Vashugin Oct. 17, 2003

Oct. 17, 2003

matthew, if we're doing it i'll give you a ride..... yury On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:05:43 -0400 Matthew Kwiatkowski <mskwik(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > I think this sounds like it's turning into an interesting idea. I > would > be willing to help out as a cameraman or something behind the > scenes, > and I do have a laptop with video out, but I would need a ride from > campus to the studio. I will also be home on break the week of the > 21st, so I can't make that night. > > -Matthew Kwiatkowski > > On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 13:39, Yury I Vashugin wrote: > > tim, > > it seems like we don't have enough people to run the show. maybe > > different date and time would be more appropriate for > people(depending, > > of course, on the studio availability)... > > first, we need people to produce the show. it's a commitment of > half an > > hour ones? a month.(could be ones in two months) is there anyone > who > > would like to join the venture? > > second, we need a qualified show host who will lead the show and > > interview guests. i'm a new to linux and i would not dare to > discuss it > > with my expertize. > > third, there is little problem with scan converter which can be > replaced > > by a notebook with a video output. > > a tape of the show will be available immediately after the show > and can > > be broadcast on any channel(depending on the amount of money, > sponsorship > > etc; public access channels are free). also it's a good learning > tool > > which can be multiplied and offered to the public. i still > remember a > > hot discussion on wlug about introducing linux in public schools. > i was > > astonished to see how college students buy c compilers for windows > to do > > their homework for unix/c class. isn't it something? > > they know about linux but, o boy, they're scared of it!!!(wow, > wow- i'm > > not talking about wpi students) > > good point was brought by goug. we need to know what audience we > are > > going to target and where. if we start the show with linux > introduction > > and discuss the difference between linux and commonly used > operating > > systems, to get people intrigued, and continuously refer people to > 'that > > show' then they'll know the connection, how to obtain previous > > educational tapes etc. > > yury > > ps keep forgeting to indicate the studio location- shewsbury > media > > connection, parker rd. > > > > > > On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:40:51 -0400 Andy Stewart > <andystewart(a)comcast.net> > > writes: > > > On Tuesday 14 October 2003 12:55 pm, Yury I Vashugin wrote: > > > > hi, everyone. > > > > since we talked about producing an educational show about > linux > > > and > > > > putting it 'in-the-air' at the last wlug meeting and i saw a > very > > > > enthusiastic response so i've reserved the studio for > oct.21(see > > > below). > > > > there's a problem with a converter but i'm sure we can find a > > > > laptop with > > > > a video output. > > > > > > HI everybody, > > > > > > I'm still quite enthusiastic about this opportunity, but > > > unfortunately I > > > cannot make it on October 21st (Tuesday is generally a bad night > for > > > me). I > > > will be looking forward to reading the e-mails from people who > do > > > make it on > > > that date. > > > > > > Please keep us posted! > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > -- > > > Andy Stewart, Founder > > > Worcester Linux Users' Group > > > Worcester, MA USA > > > http://www.wlug.org > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

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domain settings on dsl with dynamic IP and NAT (and postfix issue)
by Jim & Toni Oct. 16, 2003

Oct. 16, 2003

One thing I've never been sure of is what to set the domain to on my Linux box. I'm on verizon dsl with a dynamic IP and PPPOE. I just got a dyndns.org domain with a different hostname than what I have for the machine. I set up the machine to run spamassassin (and to experiment). Machine name = grizzy Dyndns.org address = dibb.homelinux.net Email = jntdibb(a)bellatlantic.net What should I be using for the domain name? Specifically I'm having trouble with some part of postfix or spamc/d. I believe an hourly cron job is trying to send mail to 'root' which causes the following in maillog. I can send my postfix/main.cf file if anyone is interested. Oct 14 13:01:01 grizzy spamd[1921]: connection from grizzy [127.0.0.1] at port 3 3171 Oct 14 13:01:01 grizzy spamd[4504]: info: setuid to postfix succeeded Oct 14 13:01:02 grizzy spamd[4504]: Creating default_prefs [/var/spool/postfix/. spamassassin/user_prefs] Oct 14 13:01:01 grizzy postfix/local[4499]: 49D3FD0B45: to=<postfix(a)localhost.lo calhost>, relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced (can't create user output file. C ommand output: procmail: Couldn't create "/var/spool/mail/postfix" procmail: Loc k failure on "spamassassin.lock" procmail: Program failure (74) of "/usr/bin/spa mc" procmail: Rescue of unfiltered data succeeded ) Oct 14 13:01:01 grizzy postfix/cleanup[4497]: C4A35D0B43: message-id=<2003101417 0101.C4A35D0B43(a)grizzy.bellatlantic.net> Oct 14 13:01:01 grizzy postfix/nqmgr[1920]: C4A35D0B43: from=<>, size=2676, nrcp t=1 (queue active) Here's another example of something wrong. Oct 13 04:02:04 grizzy postfix/pickup[1462]: EFFAFD0B47: uid=0 from=<root> Oct 13 04:02:04 grizzy postfix/cleanup[1781]: EFFAFD0B47: message-id=<2003101308 0203.EFFAFD0B47@grizzy> Oct 13 04:02:04 grizzy postfix/nqmgr[1906]: EFFAFD0B47: from=<root(a)grizzy.grizzy >, size=1093, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Oct 13 04:02:06 grizzy postfix/smtp[1797]: EFFAFD0B47: to=<root(a)grizzy.grizzy>, relay=none, delay=3, status=bounced (Name service error for grizzy.grizzy: Host not found) Oct 13 04:02:06 grizzy postfix/cleanup[1781]: E295BD0B46: message-id=<2003101308 0206.E295BD0B46@grizzy> Oct 13 04:02:07 grizzy postfix/nqmgr[1906]: E295BD0B46: from=<>, size=2614, nrcp t=1 (queue active) Oct 13 04:02:07 grizzy postfix/smtp[1797]: E295BD0B46: to=<root(a)grizzy.grizzy>, relay=none, delay=1, status=bounced (Name service error for grizzy.grizzy: Host not found) Overall, mail handling seems to work. Stuff gets out, stuff comes in, spam gets tagged. But I need to clean some of this up.

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RE: [Wlug] RE: Wlug digest, Vol 1 #683 - 6 msgs
by Keller, Tim Oct. 15, 2003

Oct. 15, 2003

In my eyes, a well configured box is one where every daemon that doesn't need to be run, is turned off. Sane firewalling rules are in place for the services that do need to be run. Something like redhat network is configured in cron to run once a day and pull updated patches and apply them automagically. You can't expect regular Joe User to become a sysadmin over night. Hence, some forethought and automation have to be used to ensure that his box doesn't get cracked overnight. -----Original Message----- From: bryon3245(a)netzero.com [mailto:bryon3245@netzero.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:28 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] RE: Wlug digest, Vol 1 #683 - 6 msgs Dear Tim, In response to your letter I would like to say that I run a few gentoo systems. I undetstand the importance of a good fire well land I make sure that my packages are up to date. But when you talk about having "poorly configured linux box" I am very curious as to would you would consider a very good configured box. Message: 6 From: "Keller, Tim" <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> To: "'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org'" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: RE: [Wlug] Fw: RE: show Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:36:10 -0400 charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Well, I kind of took it on this tact. My wife really doesn't care about linux, nor windows. When she sits down in front of the computer, she just wants it to work as expected. Past that, she plays a few games, but mainly it revolves around surfing the web, reading email, etc. With that said, I think that the argument for linux has to be made on a couple fronts. Firstly, cost and freedom. Explain to people why linux is a better choice than the perceived "free" copy of windows that came with their computer. I think we should definitely explain the microsoft tax. Second, security. Make it a point of explaining that linux is impervious to the many worms and viruses that are running around the internet. Though we should also caution people that a poorly configured linux box is just as bad (if not worse) than an bare unpatched windows machine. Past that, we should talk to the availability of software for linux. Later, Tim. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: Wlug digest, Vol 1 #683 - 6 msgs
by bryon3245＠netzero.com Oct. 15, 2003

Oct. 15, 2003

Dear Tim, In response to your letter I would like to say that I run a few gentoo systems. I undetstand the importance of a good fire well land I make sure that my packages are up to date. But when you talk about having "poorly configured linux box" I am very curious as to would you would consider a very good configured box. Message: 6 From: "Keller, Tim" <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> To: "'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org'" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: RE: [Wlug] Fw: RE: show Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:36:10 -0400 charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Well, I kind of took it on this tact. My wife really doesn't care about linux, nor windows. When she sits down in front of the computer, she just wants it to work as expected. Past that, she plays a few games, but mainly it revolves around surfing the web, reading email, etc. With that said, I think that the argument for linux has to be made on a couple fronts. Firstly, cost and freedom. Explain to people why linux is a better choice than the perceived "free" copy of windows that came with their computer. I think we should definitely explain the microsoft tax. Second, security. Make it a point of explaining that linux is impervious to the many worms and viruses that are running around the internet. Though we should also caution people that a poorly configured linux box is just as bad (if not worse) than an bare unpatched windows machine. Past that, we should talk to the availability of software for linux. Later, Tim. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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RE: [Wlug] Fw: RE: show
by Keller, Tim Oct. 15, 2003

Oct. 15, 2003

Well, I kind of took it on this tact. My wife really doesn't care about linux, nor windows. When she sits down in front of the computer, she just wants it to work as expected. Past that, she plays a few games, but mainly it revolves around surfing the web, reading email, etc. With that said, I think that the argument for linux has to be made on a couple fronts. Firstly, cost and freedom. Explain to people why linux is a better choice than the perceived "free" copy of windows that came with their computer. I think we should definitely explain the microsoft tax. Second, security. Make it a point of explaining that linux is impervious to the many worms and viruses that are running around the internet. Though we should also caution people that a poorly configured linux box is just as bad (if not worse) than an bare unpatched windows machine. Past that, we should talk to the availability of software for linux. Later, Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Avedissian [mailto:avedis@rcn.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:38 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Fw: RE: show Makes sense to me, Tim. Easy replacement is the selling point, and in some ways it's been the stumbling block to my converting entirely to linux. I still use Windows for a couple of tasks that either can't be done in linux (yet) or I haven't figured them out in linux yet (unsupported scanner). Show people that they can do the things they need to do with a minimal amount of effort and without having to pay microsoft, and there will be plenty of converts. Most of the things that most people do with their computers can now be done in linux without having to read a manual, and people need to know that. Greg Keller, Tim wrote: > Yury, > > You can count me in. I also know my way around a TV production studio. > > We had talked about doing an introduction to linux. As an aside to that I > was thinking that possibly we could do a show on equivalent pieces of > software on the linux side of things that could replace (perceived) missing > functionality. This would include stuff like Evolution, Mozilla, GnuCash, > OpenOffice, mplayer, xmms, etc. > > What do people think? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Yury I Vashugin [mailto:vashugins@juno.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:56 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Cc: wlug(a)wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Fw: RE: show > > > hi, everyone. > since we talked about producing an educational show about linux and > putting it 'in-the-air' at the last wlug meeting and i saw a very > enthusiastic response so i've reserved the studio for oct.21(see below). > there's a problem with a converter but i'm sure we can find a laptop with > a video output. > for the show we need two cameramen(anyone can do that; very simple duties > and can be learned within 3-5 min), a show host and guests. > please, bring any suggestions or/and recommendations. thanks. > yury > > --------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Marc Serra <mserra(a)ci.shrewsbury.ma.us> > To: 'Yury I Vashugin' <vashugins(a)juno.com> > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:42:56 -0400 > Subject: RE: show > Message-ID: <A7F72312FF5DB348BE2D037A6FE5F1C1407EC2@selpnt2> > > Yes. > > Does anybody in the group have access to a scan converter or can you use > a > computer with a video card output? Since we spoke about it, our last scan > converter was put into service to be used on one of our channel's for our > bulletin board. For you to use it, we would have to take a channel off > the > air. I know that a lot of laptops have video out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Yury I Vashugin [mailto:vashugins@juno.com] > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:48 AM > To: mserra(a)ci.shrewsbury.ma.us > Subject: show > > > marc, > can i reserve the studio for half-an-hour show on tuesday, october 21 at > 6:30 (actually it will not be a show; just a preliminary stuff- what > light, what background, what settings we want for 'linux show', to try a > scanner converter etc)? > yury > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Fw: RE: show
by Yury I Vashugin Oct. 15, 2003

Oct. 15, 2003

hi, everyone. since we talked about producing an educational show about linux and putting it 'in-the-air' at the last wlug meeting and i saw a very enthusiastic response so i've reserved the studio for oct.21(see below). there's a problem with a converter but i'm sure we can find a laptop with a video output. for the show we need two cameramen(anyone can do that; very simple duties and can be learned within 3-5 min), a show host and guests. please, bring any suggestions or/and recommendations. thanks. yury --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Marc Serra <mserra(a)ci.shrewsbury.ma.us> To: 'Yury I Vashugin' <vashugins(a)juno.com> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:42:56 -0400 Subject: RE: show Message-ID: <A7F72312FF5DB348BE2D037A6FE5F1C1407EC2@selpnt2> Yes. Does anybody in the group have access to a scan converter or can you use a computer with a video card output? Since we spoke about it, our last scan converter was put into service to be used on one of our channel's for our bulletin board. For you to use it, we would have to take a channel off the air. I know that a lot of laptops have video out. -----Original Message----- From: Yury I Vashugin [mailto:vashugins@juno.com] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:48 AM To: mserra(a)ci.shrewsbury.ma.us Subject: show marc, can i reserve the studio for half-an-hour show on tuesday, october 21 at 6:30 (actually it will not be a show; just a preliminary stuff- what light, what background, what settings we want for 'linux show', to try a scanner converter etc)? yury ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

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NIC settings -- how?
by Bill Mills-Curran Oct. 15, 2003

Oct. 15, 2003

How can I view and alter NIC settings, like auto-negotiate, speed, duplex on my Red Hat 8/9 boxes? Thanks, Bill

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problem hardware?
by Baris Hasdemir Oct. 14, 2003

Oct. 14, 2003

Hello all, Today I received my slot loading pioneer dvd rom drive from newegg.com. But linux tells me there are problems with it. The problem is my new hardware right? Or should I upgrade my kernel? I wanted to be sure before sending it back. kernel 2.4.22(slackware 9.1) thanks, baris # tail -f /var/log/syslog Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: ATAPI device hdd: Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: Media region code is mismatched to logical unit -- (asc=0x6f, ascq=0x04) Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: The failed "Report Key" packet command was: Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: "a4 00 00 00 01 26 00 00 00 0c c4 00 " Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: ATAPI device hdd: Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: Media region code is mismatched to logical unit -- (asc=0x6f, ascq=0x04) Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: The failed "Report Key" packet command was: Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: "a4 00 00 00 02 3d 00 00 00 0c c4 00 " Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: ATAPI device hdd: Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: Media region code is mismatched to logical unit -- (asc=0x6f, ascq=0x04) Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: The failed "Report Key" packet command was: Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: "a4 00 00 00 02 ad 00 00 00 0c c4 00 " Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: ATAPI device hdd: Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: Media region code is mismatched to logical unit -- (asc=0x6f, ascq=0x04) Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: The failed "Report Key" packet command was: Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: "a4 00 00 00 02 dc 00 00 00 0c c4 00 " Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: ATAPI device hdd: Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: Media region code is mismatched to logical unit -- (asc=0x6f, ascq=0x04) Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: The failed "Report Key" packet command was: Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: "a4 00 00 00 0a 2b 00 00 00 0c c4 00 " Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: ATAPI device hdd: Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: Media region code is mismatched to logical unit -- (asc=0x6f, ascq=0x04) Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: The failed "Report Key" packet command was: Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: "a4 00 00 20 f9 76 00 00 00 0c c4 00 " Oct 14 14:39:47 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Oct 14 14:39:47 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 Oct 14 14:39:47 penguen kernel: ATAPI device hdd: Oct 14 14:39:47 penguen kernel: Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) Oct 14 14:39:47 penguen kernel: Media region code is mismatched to logical unit -- (asc=0x6f, ascq=0x04) Oct 14 14:39:47 penguen kernel: The failed "Report Key" packet command was: Oct 14 14:39:47 penguen kernel: "a4 00 00 20 f9 e6 00 00 00 0c c4 00 "

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