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Good Beginners Book
by Martin, Eric 26 Mar '04

26 Mar '04

Anybody have good suggestions for a good beginners linux book? I teach Adult Education classes for Worcester, and I'm thinking of a Linux class target towards small business owners (figure they'll be the easiest to see the benefits.) Any ideas? Eric Martin

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RE: [Wlug] Good Beginners Book
by JONATHAN BEALL 25 Mar '04

25 Mar '04

hi, i just wanted to answer your question, and thank you for the meeting the other night. my friend and i attended for the first time. your question: try linux in the workplace by the linux journal press. isbn is 1886411867 it's not the newest (not that old either) but it covers most of the KDE aps from 3.1 -Jonathan Beall p.s.- my friend and i just started a business called JBC Solutions. It's desktop and server linux solutions aimed specifically at the small business owner (Koffice, OOo, Samba, Apache, etc). would you mind keeping me up to date with your class? thankyou. >From: "Martin, Eric" <MartinE(a)worc.k12.ma.us> >Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: [Wlug] Good Beginners Book >Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:57:43 -0500 > >Anybody have good suggestions for a good beginners linux book? I teach >Adult Education classes for Worcester, and I'm thinking of a Linux class >target towards small business owners (figure they'll be the easiest to see >the benefits.) Any ideas? > >Eric Martin >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _________________________________________________________________ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp

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ACM Installfest
by Ryan Caron 24 Mar '04

24 Mar '04

Just a reminder that the Installfest is NOT this weekend. It will be held on Sunday, April 4th, from 3 to 7PM. We will be showing Revolution OS and other computer related movies for your enjoyment between swapping out Linux installation CDs. Sincerely, Ryan Caron ACM Secretary

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free stuff
by Scott Venier 23 Mar '04

23 Mar '04

I'm currently in the process of moving into a new apartment and have a couple of boxes worth of stuff that I don't really feel like packing up and moving. That means it's time for the annual WLUG freestuff shuffle. ;) http://www.scooter.cx/~scott/freestuff First come, first serve. Act quickly, and I can even bring it to the meeting tomorrow evening. Act less quickly, and we can meet some other time. Act slowly, and I have to lug it into the new apartment. That's no fun. If you're not local, or know someone who's not local that wants something, I'll ship as long as I get paypal'd the cost of shipping. Anything that's not claimed by Friday is getting put up on craigslist, so don't delay. Scott

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Reminder: Meeting Wed 7 PM
by Andy Stewart 23 Mar '04

23 Mar '04

Hi Everybody, Our next meeting is on Wednesday, March 24th at 7:00 PM in the usual place (Access Grid room). At this meeting, Doug Waud will be our speaker. He will talk about TeX, LaTeX, and pdfLaTeX, which are document processing systems for generating really beautiful books, especially those with alot of mathematics. I have put a couple of links on the WLUG home page for your reference. I'll bring refreshments to the meeting, and we can go out afterwards for some food. I'm not sure if the Boynton Restaurant has completed its renovations, but if not, we can go to the mexican place. I look forward to seeing many of you at the meeting. Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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RE: [wlug] Re: Instant Messaging Software
by Martin, Eric 22 Mar '04

22 Mar '04

gaim supports jabber -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim To: 'Worcester Linux Users Group' Sent: 3/19/2004 4:16 PM Subject: RE: [wlug] Re: Instant Messaging Software The biggest problem usually isn't the messaging client itself, secure or insecure. The biggest problem is the users who don't understand the technology under it. Inside of Stratus we've done a lot of education to get users to understand that IM is a completely insecure medium and that no business information is to be transmitted over it. Once you explain to Suzy accountant that when she pasts the financials into the IM window and send it to her coworker that they shoot out the door, zip half way across the country and then come back and anybody in between can read them, it suddenly hits home... I only wish that Trillian supported Jabber. I deployed a Jabber server and it worked, but the clients for windows were so crummy that nobody used it. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 2:30 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Re: Instant Messaging Software Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > [...] > I work at a large company in Natick that has recently decided to > disallow instant messaging clients from being used on corporate PC's. If the policy is "no instant messaging clients", I don't think I'd load jabber, then argue the finer points. Especially if disciplinary action is noted for violations. If nothing else, make the case for an INTERNAL server, but GET APPROVAL before using it. Jabber has much to recommend it for such a server. > They sight a concern that it is an insecure network link to the outside > world that could allow hackers, worms, trojans, viruses, etc ... into > the otherwise protected network. That's a commonly cited concern, and not unwarranted. > [...] What does affect my team is the ability to easily > communicate with each other on a "live" or instant platform within the > company firewall (we have no interest really to communicate outside the > firewall yet). I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction > of an Open Source alternative to an instant messaging platform? For > starters I'm just looking for software to run on a server (either Linux > or Doze) and the associated clients to use on primarily XP or 2000 desktops. Again, I'd get approval first, but IRC can do much of what you want. There are plenty of Win clients and servers for it. - Bob _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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wall messages on Gentoo
by Karl Hiramoto 21 Mar '04

21 Mar '04

Anyone know how to allow users other than root to wall messages to other logins? wall "test" only displays to other users if doing it from root. Do i need to be in a certain group? -- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto

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RE: [wlug] Re: Instant Messaging Software
by Keller, Tim 20 Mar '04

20 Mar '04

The biggest problem usually isn't the messaging client itself, secure or insecure. The biggest problem is the users who don't understand the technology under it. Inside of Stratus we've done a lot of education to get users to understand that IM is a completely insecure medium and that no business information is to be transmitted over it. Once you explain to Suzy accountant that when she pasts the financials into the IM window and send it to her coworker that they shoot out the door, zip half way across the country and then come back and anybody in between can read them, it suddenly hits home... I only wish that Trillian supported Jabber. I deployed a Jabber server and it worked, but the clients for windows were so crummy that nobody used it. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 2:30 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Re: Instant Messaging Software Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > [...] > I work at a large company in Natick that has recently decided to > disallow instant messaging clients from being used on corporate PC's. If the policy is "no instant messaging clients", I don't think I'd load jabber, then argue the finer points. Especially if disciplinary action is noted for violations. If nothing else, make the case for an INTERNAL server, but GET APPROVAL before using it. Jabber has much to recommend it for such a server. > They sight a concern that it is an insecure network link to the outside > world that could allow hackers, worms, trojans, viruses, etc ... into > the otherwise protected network. That's a commonly cited concern, and not unwarranted. > [...] What does affect my team is the ability to easily > communicate with each other on a "live" or instant platform within the > company firewall (we have no interest really to communicate outside the > firewall yet). I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction > of an Open Source alternative to an instant messaging platform? For > starters I'm just looking for software to run on a server (either Linux > or Doze) and the associated clients to use on primarily XP or 2000 desktops. Again, I'd get approval first, but IRC can do much of what you want. There are plenty of Win clients and servers for it. - Bob _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Salvage flashdisk
by Joel Desrochers 19 Mar '04

19 Mar '04

Tim, Here is one software I have heard was good, but have never used, Photorecovery. It is offered for XP or Mac OS 10. The demo is free. http://www.lc-tech.com/photorecovery.htm If you try it and it works, please let me know. Joel Desrochers Message: 6 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:24:37 -0500 From: "Keller, Tim" <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> Subject: [Wlug] Salvage flashdisk To: "'wlug(a)wlug.org'" <wlug(a)wlug.org> Message-ID: <CAC3BCBB443DEC439198F230B4BCC7E9035B1A9F(a)exna6-ftsaa.mis.stratus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've got a 32mb flash disk that's gone bad. Ironically it went bad before I had a chance to pull the pictures off of it. I can't open it with fdisk nor will doing a dd if=/dev/sda of=image_of_flash_disk will work. Anybody got any good ideas or know of utilities that might be capable of salvaging the data? Thanks, Tim. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page FREE download! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/

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Instant Messaging Software
by Simoncini, Matthew 19 Mar '04

19 Mar '04

Hey guys, I work at a large company in Natick that has recently decided to disallow instant messaging clients from being used on corporate PC's. They sight a concern that it is an insecure network link to the outside world that could allow hackers, worms, trojans, viruses, etc ... into the otherwise protected network. Whether I agree with this opinion or not I guess is irrelevant as I don't have a strong enough voice to change anything. What does affect my team is the ability to easily communicate with each other on a "live" or instant platform within the company firewall (we have no interest really to communicate outside the firewall yet). I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of an Open Source alternative to an instant messaging platform? For starters I'm just looking for software to run on a server (either Linux or Doze) and the associated clients to use on primarily XP or 2000 desktops. I'm doing some research on Source Forge and other sites to see if I can find something myself, but would prefer a suggestion from someone who's already implemented something like this. Thanks in advance. Matthew

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RE: [Wlug] Salvage flashdisk
by Keller, Tim 19 Mar '04

19 Mar '04

Yeah, I tried that and the camera comes back with "Card Error". Oh well, I think this card is fubar. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Higgins [mailto:matt@higgsolutions.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 11:41 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Salvage flashdisk You could try to format it with your camera. Most cameras have a very simple format utility that will write a new partition table to the disk, and won't try to be smart about it like your pc. Also it my be the case that you have reached the write limit for the flash card. Compact Flash has a fixed write limit before the cells start to go bad. More to the point a given cell can only be switched from a 1 to a 0 n number of times (blank flashes are all 1's not 0's). -Matt Quoting "Keller, Tim" <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com>: > I've got a 32mb flash disk that's gone bad. Ironically it went bad before I > had a chance to pull the pictures off of it. I can't open it with fdisk nor > will doing a dd if=/dev/sda of=image_of_flash_disk will work. > > Anybody got any good ideas or know of utilities that might be capable of > salvaging the data? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Salvage flashdisk
by Keller, Tim 19 Mar '04

19 Mar '04

I've got a 32mb flash disk that's gone bad. Ironically it went bad before I had a chance to pull the pictures off of it. I can't open it with fdisk nor will doing a dd if=/dev/sda of=image_of_flash_disk will work. Anybody got any good ideas or know of utilities that might be capable of salvaging the data? Thanks, Tim.

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RE: [Wlug] Instant Messaging Software
by Martin, Eric 19 Mar '04

19 Mar '04

jabber server is the best I've heard of. Gaim supports the client. www.jabber.org -----Original Message----- From: Simoncini, Matthew [mailto:Matthew.Simoncini@bsci.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 10:57 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Instant Messaging Software Hey guys, I work at a large company in Natick that has recently decided to disallow instant messaging clients from being used on corporate PC's. They sight a concern that it is an insecure network link to the outside world that could allow hackers, worms, trojans, viruses, etc ... into the otherwise protected network. Whether I agree with this opinion or not I guess is irrelevant as I don't have a strong enough voice to change anything. What does affect my team is the ability to easily communicate with each other on a "live" or instant platform within the company firewall (we have no interest really to communicate outside the firewall yet). I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of an Open Source alternative to an instant messaging platform? For starters I'm just looking for software to run on a server (either Linux or Doze) and the associated clients to use on primarily XP or 2000 desktops. I'm doing some research on Source Forge and other sites to see if I can find something myself, but would prefer a suggestion from someone who's already implemented something like this. Thanks in advance. Matthew

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Re: [Wlug] Instant Messaging Software
by matthew＠schnee.com 19 Mar '04

19 Mar '04

Hi, One thing you can check out is a project from RPI called lily http://www.freegroups.org/lily-twiki/bin/view/Lily/ and http://www.lily.org/ There is information about how to set up your own server and there are clients for a ton of platforms. Matthew Schnee ------------------- Email sent using AnyEmail

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ACM Installfest has been moved...
by Ryan Caron 17 Mar '04

17 Mar '04

Due to conflicting events on campus, we have moved the date of the Installfest. It is now scheduled for April 4th from 3 to 7PM. It will be in Higgins Lab 116. Please email acm(a)wpi.edu if you have any questions or are able to attend for even a portion of the event. Sincerely, Ryan Caron ACM Secretary

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Re: [Wlug] Network configuration with OpenLDAP
by Michael Long 17 Mar '04

17 Mar '04

Karl Hiramoto wrote: >What services do you need? > >linux shell logins? > > > Yes >samba logins? > > Yes >imap/pop logins? > > Yes, As Chuck pointed out earlier this is not a simple task. Since I have never managed a multiuser *nix evironment I believe the best thing for me to do is follow the KISS principle and attack the problem one piece at a time. The first step is to setup a robust multiuser environment that allows clients to authenticate onto the network via linux shells. These users will initially login either at the console or remotely via SSH. Ideally a VPN will be eventually be added to the mix. The next step will be to setup samba to allow clients to authenticate onto the network via windows. Finally setup ldap and migrate the authentication services to it. >I was also looking into this at my work. I setup a ldap server, I'm >using it now for an address book, but i have not setup any logins yet. > >>From my reading, i understand you need to configure each server (samba, >imap, etc) to auth to the ldap. > > > > >>Hi, >> >>My goal is to set up a small business network that will have both linux >>and windows >>clients. I would like to use OpenLDAP for my authentication services. The >>problem >>is that I have never done anything like this and don't know where to >>start. I have >>read the docs at openldap.org, LDAP-HOWTO, LDAP-Implementation-HOWTO, >>http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/pam.html and am >>not sure >>where to start. I would like to start by building the services that will >>allow me >>to authenticate users and configure file shares that they have access to. >>Which >>service(s) should I start with PAM, LDAP, other? >> >>Thanks, >>Mike >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> > > >

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Network configuration with OpenLDAP
by Michael Long 16 Mar '04

16 Mar '04

Hi, My goal is to set up a small business network that will have both linux and windows clients. I would like to use OpenLDAP for my authentication services. The problem is that I have never done anything like this and don't know where to start. I have read the docs at openldap.org, LDAP-HOWTO, LDAP-Implementation-HOWTO, http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/pam.html and am not sure where to start. I would like to start by building the services that will allow me to authenticate users and configure file shares that they have access to. Which service(s) should I start with PAM, LDAP, other? Thanks, Mike

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Fwd: consulting assistance
by Andy Stewart 16 Mar '04

16 Mar '04

If anybody has any interest in this opportunity, please contact Ralph Fasano directly at rfasano(a)risd.edu. -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Open source = security
by Michael Long 12 Mar '04

12 Mar '04

Hi, During a discussion with an application architect, while trouble shooting SQL Servers "security" behavior, he asked how an application can be more secure when anyone can view the security related code. I thought this was self evident, but I guess it is not. I was wondering how others would answer this question? Thanks, Mike

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RE: [Wlug] Fwd: Software Freedom Day: August 28, 2004
by Martin, Eric 11 Mar '04

11 Mar '04

Gentoo has a live cd for mac, although it's not gui based...also there's a bit of config for oldworld macs... -----Original Message----- From: doug waud [mailto:douglas.waud@umassmed.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 10:59 AM To: andystewart(a)comcast.net; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Fwd: Software Freedom Day: August 28, 2004 Hi all Andy Stewart wrote: > Subject: > Software Freedom Day: August 28, 2004 snip,snip > We will be handing out printed materials and CDs with good > quality FOSS, like TheOpenCD and Knoppix. ..... > Our role will be to help coordinate the event and > provide ..... > high quality (pressed) CDs that local > teams can give out to the general public on Software Freedom Day. Andy, at our meetings, you have asked what we might do with our accumulated $. This FOSS initiative makes me wonder whether making a lot of Knoppix discs which we could all carry around and hand out when queried about Linux, might be a good use of our resources. It would strike me as being right on target with our objective of proselytizing. I, for one, continually run into people curious about Linux and free software in general. If I could hand them a Knoppix disk and say "Here, see for yourself!" I think I would get good bang for buck. In particular the term "free" would sink in well. Any thoughts? doug PS A lot of non Linux users use MACS. Does Knoppix work there/is there a MAC Knoppix alternative? It would be a shame to miss this constituency; MAC users may be human too! :-) _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Fwd: Software Freedom Day: August 28, 2004
by Andy Stewart 11 Mar '04

11 Mar '04

-- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...
by Andy Stewart 11 Mar '04

11 Mar '04

>From Softpro - FYI: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Marlborough Softpro to Close - Last Day is March 20. Softpro Books Waltham will Serve as Single Location ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It is with great sadness that we've decided to consolidate our operations into our one Waltham store. The economy has taken its toll on our Marlborough location which we opened with great optimism over 4 years ago. Our last day will be Sat., March 20. Between now and then, we're selling all of our Marlboro inventory at 25% off (sorry, no special orders). Gift certificates will continue to be honored at our Waltham store. We apologize for any inconvenience to our Marlborough area customers and hope that you will visit us in our Waltham store, conveniently located on Route 128/95 at the Totten Pond Road exit. For directions, please visit our web site (www.softpro.com/info.html) or call us at 781-487-2220. -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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RE: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...
by Martin, Eric 10 Mar '04

10 Mar '04

So, right now I don't get paid to read most of my ORA books, getting paid for it would be great!!!! Although, I am reading "Mastering Regular Expressions" right now on company time...got to get the spam filter working the best possible... -----Original Message----- From: Mike Peckar [mailto:fog@fognet.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 9:28 PM To: 'Worcester Linux Users Group' Subject: RE: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store... Bummer. ..was in that store last week and the clerk there was so bored he was half way through a book of "Jumbles." I wondered how many unemployed techno-dweebs would jump at the chance to be paid to read ORA books all day (albeit minimum wage). If only. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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KDE: Konqueror and fish protocol
by Andy Stewart 08 Mar '04

08 Mar '04

HI all, Does anybody know what this "fish protocol" is that Konqueror can apparently use? I've noticed in Konqueror that besides typing "http:", one can also type things like "camera:", "ftp:", "sftp:" (but it doesn't quite work for me), and perhaps many others. I've just discovered "fish:" which appears to work the way I would expect "sftp:" to work. Does anybody have any experience with this? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest
by Ryan Caron 05 Mar '04

05 Mar '04

Thanks for offering to loan your copy of PQMagic for the Installfest. I think we'll give the Open Source options a run through before the event; if they cause problems we'll revert to PQMagic. Concerning your server, I would move to another distro. I personally use Gentoo, but for your applications you may want to go with Debian. I like Gentoo since its so customizable, and the fact that everything is compiled from the source code speeds up the computer a fair amount. For Apache file permissions, directories should be 755 and files should be 644 as I understand it. I've always had a hard time with Samba and file permissions, so I would leave that to someone else. Apache and Samba config files can be very unique to what you are trying to accomplish with both - the only thing I can really suggest is to copy the config files onto a disk before your wipe out so you don't have to start from scratch! Sincerely, Ryan Caron ACM Secretary Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 11:27:37 -0500 From: Pete Wason <rogue(a)hynoom.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <40460779.7090306(a)hynoom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Martin, Eric wrote: > What are you looking for as far as help? > I'm running RH8.0 on my server. a. I'm not sure if I should continue to use RH as support has expired, and I can't affort their enterprise version. b. I'm not sure of/satisfied with my Apache configuration c. I'm not sure of/satisfied with my Samba configuration d. I'm not sure of/satisfied with general file permissions as they relate to (b and c) e. I want to install tcpserver and qmail, and disable sendmail (which I'm not using anyway) Network: CAT-5 ethernet Server: Dell 600SC/RH8.0 (http, samba, sshd, etc.) Router: LinkSys BEFSR81, on a cablemodem... Wkstns: Pegasos I/Morphos 1.4 (samba server also, I think) Clone PC/Win2000 Pro (windows shares, printer) Amiga 3000D/AmigaOS3.1 (printer, accesses shares via smbfs) Amiga 3000D/AmigaOS3.1 (smbfs) Sony Vaio laptop/WinXP Home (windows shares) Questions, Comments: 1. Is it normal that my http port should be getting hit hundreds of times a day with intrusion attacks aimed at an NT server? Strange days indeed... 2. I also am constantly bombarded with hundreds of virus-infected spam messages; right now I'm using a mailserver in NJ -- when I get mine set up, I'll switch. 3. I find it strange and somewhat disturbing that if I have my laptop booted to the logon screen, I can connect to its shares via samba - without a password! Is this normal (read: goofy) windows security? 4. If I didn't have to spend all my time looking for a job, doing part-time work on the side, and acting as non-paid VP of an ill-fated (so far) software startup, I could just hunker down and learn all this stuff myself. Right now, that's not an option. Pete

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