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RedHat 9 Network Problem
by Joel J. Young April 1, 2004

April 1, 2004

Here are the requested files: Ifcfg-eth0: # Lite-On|LNE100TX DEVICE=eth0 ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=dhcp HWADDR=FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF USERCTL=no PEERDNS=yes TYPE=Ethernet NETMASK=255.255.255.0 IPADDR=192.168.0.2 GATEWAY=192.168.0.1 Modules.conf: alias usb-controller usb-uhci alias sound-slot-0 emu10k1 post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L >/dev/null 2>&1 || : pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S >/dev/null 2>&1 || : alias eth0 tulip network: NETWORKING=yes HOSTNAME= Output of /sbin/lspci -vv - Non network devices removed to pass 40k post filter 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX (rev 20) Subsystem: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX Control: I/O- Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR+ Latency: 32 Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 9 Region 0: I/O ports at 8800 [disabled] [size=256] Region 1: Memory at d5800000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled] [size=256] Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled] [size=256K] ...... -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Charles R. Anderson Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:21 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 10:13:15AM -0500, Dwight A. Ernest wrote: > Include your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and your > /etc/sysconfig/network files in an email so we can see what they look like. Also include /etc/modules.conf and the Ethernet card entry from the "/sbin/lspci -vv" output. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem
by Martin, Eric April 1, 2004

April 1, 2004

Also, you might want to remove the HARDWARE line from that file. It should just use the mac from your network card. Maybe the router doesn't want to assign FF:FF:FF...a mac address? Eric -----Original Message----- From: Joel J. Young [mailto:joel@jyng.com] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:23 AM To: 'Worcester Linux Users Group' Subject: RE: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem I tried using both static and dynamic IPs. Neigther worked. It's possible there's remnants of that testing left. Everything on my local network is in the 192.168.0.x address space. No, I changed the address of the router back to the default, which is 192.168.0.1 -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Martin, Eric Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:47 AM To: 'Worcester Linux Users Group' Subject: RE: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem I haven't worked with RH for a while, bu you have both dhcp and a hardcoded address here. Also, there's your problem, if I'm reading this right. You're set to 192.168.0.2 with a 255.255.255.0 mask. That means you can only see 192.168.0.x machines, and your router is 192.168.1.x, right? -----Original Message----- From: Joel J. Young [mailto:joel@jyng.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:26 PM To: Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem Here are the requested files: Ifcfg-eth0: # Lite-On|LNE100TX DEVICE=eth0 ONBOOT=yes ** BOOTPROTO=dhcp ** HWADDR=FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF USERCTL=no PEERDNS=yes TYPE=Ethernet ** NETMASK=255.255.255.0 ** IPADDR=192.168.0.2 GATEWAY=192.168.0.1 Modules.conf: alias usb-controller usb-uhci alias sound-slot-0 emu10k1 post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L >/dev/null 2>&1 || : pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S >/dev/null 2>&1 || : alias eth0 tulip network: NETWORKING=yes HOSTNAME= Output of /sbin/lspci -vv - Non network devices removed to pass 40k post filter 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX (rev 20) Subsystem: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX Control: I/O- Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR+ Latency: 32 Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 9 Region 0: I/O ports at 8800 [disabled] [size=256] Region 1: Memory at d5800000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled] [size=256] Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled] [size=256K] ...... -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org <mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org> ] On Behalf Of Charles R. Anderson Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:21 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 10:13:15AM -0500, Dwight A. Ernest wrote: > Include your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and your > /etc/sysconfig/network files in an email so we can see what they look like. Also include /etc/modules.conf and the Ethernet card entry from the "/sbin/lspci -vv" output. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug <http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug>

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RE: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem
by Martin, Eric April 1, 2004

April 1, 2004

I haven't worked with RH for a while, bu you have both dhcp and a hardcoded address here. Also, there's your problem, if I'm reading this right. You're set to 192.168.0.2 with a 255.255.255.0 mask. That means you can only see 192.168.0.x machines, and your router is 192.168.1.x, right? -----Original Message----- From: Joel J. Young [mailto:joel@jyng.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:26 PM To: Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem Here are the requested files: Ifcfg-eth0: # Lite-On|LNE100TX DEVICE=eth0 ONBOOT=yes ** BOOTPROTO=dhcp ** HWADDR=FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF USERCTL=no PEERDNS=yes TYPE=Ethernet ** NETMASK=255.255.255.0 ** IPADDR=192.168.0.2 GATEWAY=192.168.0.1 Modules.conf: alias usb-controller usb-uhci alias sound-slot-0 emu10k1 post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L >/dev/null 2>&1 || : pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S >/dev/null 2>&1 || : alias eth0 tulip network: NETWORKING=yes HOSTNAME= Output of /sbin/lspci -vv - Non network devices removed to pass 40k post filter 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX (rev 20) Subsystem: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX Control: I/O- Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR+ Latency: 32 Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 9 Region 0: I/O ports at 8800 [disabled] [size=256] Region 1: Memory at d5800000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled] [size=256] Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled] [size=256K] ...... -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org <mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org> ] On Behalf Of Charles R. Anderson Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:21 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 10:13:15AM -0500, Dwight A. Ernest wrote: > Include your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and your > /etc/sysconfig/network files in an email so we can see what they look like. Also include /etc/modules.conf and the Ethernet card entry from the "/sbin/lspci -vv" output. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug <http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug>

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RE: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...
by Keller, Tim April 1, 2004

April 1, 2004

I'd also like to recommend www.bookpool.com as well, for a couple of reasons! Firstly, it's a great bookstore. I purchased an o'reilly book and the book + shipping was less than the price on the back of the book! Secondly, my friend and a fellow WLUGger (Marc Hughes) works for bookpool! Later, Tim. There's nothing wrong with a man that a Playstation 2 and a copy of Vice City can't cure. -- Penny Arcade -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Kinz [mailto:jkinz@kinz.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 8:25 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store... On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 12:10:44AM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > On Monday 08 March 2004 11:59 pm, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 11:42:44PM -0500, Michael Kingsbury wrote: > > > to Softpro once.... cover price gets old. > > > > Don't WLUG members get 10% off? I seem to remember going there and > > having to decide over the WBUR, WGBH, and iirc, WLUG discounts. > > Yes, there is a discount on many items for WLUG members. I'm not sure of the > percentage, but I think its 10%. > > > > > There's just something about walking into a store and seeing every ORA > > book right there. ;) http://www.bookpool.com - all the ORA books, always 25% to 45% off -All the time. Sofpro was nice to have around for emergencies but if you can wait 3-4 days for a book, I always go to bookpool. Cheaper and wider selection. (darned hard to read a few pages before buying tho'... :) ) They are located in vineyard haven. IIRC -- Jeff Kinz, Open-PC, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. "jkinz(a)kinz.org" is copyright 2003. Use is restricted. Any use is an acceptance of the offer at http://www.kinz.org/policy.html. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem
by Martin, Eric April 1, 2004

April 1, 2004

MAC filter maybe? -----Original Message----- From: Joel J. Young [mailto:joel@jyng.com] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 12:07 AM To: 'Worcester Linux Users Group' Subject: RE: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem Here it is: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:2490342 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:3 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) Interrupt:9 I'm suspicious about the HWaddr too, but I don't know why it wouldn't be picking up the MAC address. > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Charles R. Anderson > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:41 PM > To: Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 10:25:53PM -0500, Joel J. Young wrote: > > # Lite-On|LNE100TX > > DEVICE=eth0 > > ONBOOT=yes > > BOOTPROTO=dhcp > > HWADDR=FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF > > The HWADDR here looks wrong. Can you post the output of: > > /sbin/ifconfig eth0 > > The HWaddr listed there should be what you set HWADDR= to in > ifcfg-eth0. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] High-speed access questions
by Martin, Eric April 1, 2004

April 1, 2004

Its TCP/IP. No software needed. Your linux box and XP box will get to the router the same way, via TCP/Ip, just like if you were plugged into your work network. Set your router to DHCP, set your clients to DHCP, and enjoy the bandwidth. Eric -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Avedissian [mailto:avedis@rcn.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 7:51 PM To: douglas.waud(a)umassmed.edu; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions Thanks to all who answered on this one. I called Verizon to ask them about linux, and the person I spoke to had never heard of it. He did manage to spell it right the first time, put me on hold and went to talk to someone else who said that it does work. I also switched my phone plan, and I'm saving $5/month on the DSL and another $5/month on my long distance. I probably will have questions about this when I try to set it up. This will be my first attempt at networking. OK, I thought of one already. I'm running linux, and housemate is running XP. Will each OS just deal with the router, or do I need special software to interact with a windows box? Greg doug waud wrote: > Hi > > Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >> It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac >> to use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't >> offer tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm >> planning on using a router and having two computers connected. > > > I have dealt with 3 cable companies. > > The first, the local Shrewsbury Cable company wanted a Windows box so > their installer could prove/test that the system was working. This is a > reasonable position; if you don't draw the line tightly you'll end up > dealing with the customer-from-hell and just run up expenses. > Incidentally, the guy who came to my house played with Linux at home so > the atmosphere was cordial but beside the point since I had a windows > notebook for the initial test (and then just reconnected cables once he > was out the door. > > The second was for my daughter in Southboro. There the cable was > Charter. Again, I just had a windows notebook available in the cellar > where the cable came in and the cable modem would lie. As with the > Shrewsbury cable company the service guy just wanted to confirm that the > signal was working and again, I just reconnected cables once he was out > the door. > > The third was Adelphia up at our cottage in NH. This time I did not > get > to the notebook stage. I just looked over the service man's shoulder > while he installed the signal separator (ethernet/tv) and waved goodbye. > I then ran a cable into the house to the cable modem (this time I bought > it; cheaper route) and from there to a firewall/router. > > In all cases most computers are running Linux (my wife still has a > Windows box for games) and all work fine. Once the signal gets out of > the cable modem to your router, the os of the connected computers will > make no difference. > > I cannot comment on phone help from any of the three companies since I > have never needed it. I would not expect them to deal with Linux since > that would not be cost-effective. On the other hand, this list is an > alternative that will trump a low paid telephone responder any time :-) > > Get the modem in (and have a windows machine available) and then > connect > your router and see if you can ping the router etc. If you run into a > problem get in touch with the list (or me directly if you wish). > > doug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] High-speed access questions
by Martin, Eric April 1, 2004

April 1, 2004

One thing, Remember to reboot your brigde (cable modem) after you install the router. It attatches to the mac address of what it's plugged into, and you need to reboot to have it grab the MAC of your router. Eric -----Original Message----- From: doug waud [mailto:douglas.waud@umassmed.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:53 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions Hi Gregory Avedissian wrote: > It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac > to > use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't offer > tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm planning > on using a router and having two computers connected. I have dealt with 3 cable companies. The first, the local Shrewsbury Cable company wanted a Windows box so their installer could prove/test that the system was working. This is a reasonable position; if you don't draw the line tightly you'll end up dealing with the customer-from-hell and just run up expenses. Incidentally, the guy who came to my house played with Linux at home so the atmosphere was cordial but beside the point since I had a windows notebook for the initial test (and then just reconnected cables once he was out the door. The second was for my daughter in Southboro. There the cable was Charter. Again, I just had a windows notebook available in the cellar where the cable came in and the cable modem would lie. As with the Shrewsbury cable company the service guy just wanted to confirm that the signal was working and again, I just reconnected cables once he was out the door. The third was Adelphia up at our cottage in NH. This time I did not get to the notebook stage. I just looked over the service man's shoulder while he installed the signal separator (ethernet/tv) and waved goodbye. I then ran a cable into the house to the cable modem (this time I bought it; cheaper route) and from there to a firewall/router. In all cases most computers are running Linux (my wife still has a Windows box for games) and all work fine. Once the signal gets out of the cable modem to your router, the os of the connected computers will make no difference. I cannot comment on phone help from any of the three companies since I have never needed it. I would not expect them to deal with Linux since that would not be cost-effective. On the other hand, this list is an alternative that will trump a low paid telephone responder any time :-) Get the modem in (and have a windows machine available) and then connect your router and see if you can ping the router etc. If you run into a problem get in touch with the list (or me directly if you wish). doug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] Re: Good HowTo
by Martin, Eric March 31, 2004

March 31, 2004

I def know what you mean with the Inet not being friendly anymore...I'm trying to explain to clients and co-workers alike that you can get an virus just by browsing a website...when Is M$ gonna patch that horrible browswer of theirs anyway?!!?!? So firewall is step 1. that I'm prob gonna test in house first, then expose it (complete with jail ;) ) -----Original Message----- From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:52 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Re: Good HowTo Martin, Eric wrote: > A large part of it is the learning, that's one of the things that got > me into comptuers in the first place. I know it sounds crazy, but I > want to deal with the headaches of a mailserver, and possibly 2 DNS > servers if I can run them. Basically it comes down to wanting the > expirience of bringing up a mail server and dealing with real > problems... That's a great approach, but do appreciate that in making some early mistakes, you can easily wind up with your system used to relay spam en-masse, or worse. I would recommend a slow and thorough approach, along with a fail-back option if something doesn't work as expected. Get the firewall working and tested as step 1. Have someone knowledgeable help with testing as you go. Unfortunately, the 'net has become a dangerous place for learning these days, and mistakes are quickly exploited. Or you could simply never make mistakes. :) - Bob _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] Re: Good HowTo
by Martin, Eric March 31, 2004

March 31, 2004

Cool, thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Josh Huber [mailto:huber@alum.wpi.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 3:00 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Good HowTo "Martin, Eric" <MartinE(a)worc.k12.ma.us> writes: > A large part of it is the learning, that's one of the things that got > me into comptuers in the first place. I know it sounds crazy, but I > want to deal with the headaches of a mailserver, and possibly 2 DNS > servers if I can run them. Basically it comes down to wanting the > expirience of bringing up a mail server and dealing with real > problems... Well, depending on your ISP 'situation', something like this might be nice: http://www.dyndns.org/services/pricing/index.html#mailhop I use dyndns' backup MX service, in case my connection goes down. They spool for up to 10 days, I believe. -- Josh Huber _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] Re: Good HowTo
by Martin, Eric March 31, 2004

March 31, 2004

A large part of it is the learning, that's one of the things that got me into comptuers in the first place. I know it sounds crazy, but I want to deal with the headaches of a mailserver, and possibly 2 DNS servers if I can run them. Basically it comes down to wanting the expirience of bringing up a mail server and dealing with real problems... -----Original Message----- From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:14 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Re: Good HowTo Martin, Eric wrote: > [...] I own two domains, and I want to have email from those domains > delivered to my server. The first question is: will your provider allow incoming smtp to your address? If so, you can set up MX pointers to your server... unless it's dynamic. In which case, you could set up with one of the dynamic dns providers, and update it with a short TTL. In which case, everything shulud work, although some systems will reject (RBL) mail originating from your address simply because it IS dynamic. Back in Phoenix, I was set up (with Cox as my provider) with a server at the house directly accepting mail from outside. It was great fun, but due to the worm/virus outbreaks, and various threats from the community at large, they began blocking inbound smtp, and eventually outbound as well. While this was certainly aggravating at the time, and I was annoyed they didn't bother to NOTIFY me of this change, in hindsight it's probalby just as well. I wound up going with a $2/mo. offsite hosting outfit, and have to say my aggravation levels are greatly reduced (not to mention I can down my server and not worry about losing stuff... a real advantage while moving last summer.) It's also nice now that I'm experiencing the not-quite-so-steady power in my new home area. Mail for my domains goes to the hosted server (my MX), and I pull it down at regular (5 min.) intervals using fetchmail via POP3. I run postfix locally, but relay through my provider's (charter) smtp server for outbound to avoid sudden surprises if ToS changes. I've got accounts on the hosted server for my users (family), plus a "wildcard" that I can use to break things out locally via aliases. It's not as sexy as having incoming mail handled directly, but mail for my domains "is delivered to my server" for local reading via POP/IMAP, and I do have control over the local outbound (smtp). I don't have spammers knocking at my server constantly, and I have to admit I don't miss the headaches of an exposed server (though the learning was fun). I'm not sure if that's what you had in mind, but it does work well. > I have Postfix in mind, I've heard it's pretty easy but I'm obviously > not set on it. I used postfix throughout, and found it quite easy to set up and administer. Handling multiple domains locally was no big deal, jsut a matter of setting the "mydestination" option. Again, specifics may vary depending on what your provider allows/requires. > I'd also like to include spamassassin, and antivirus (clamav > probaly...) I do run spamassassin via local delivery, but obviously the stuff's made it onto my server by then. I don't run any MTA-level blocking, due to the setup described above. It does keep the crud out of my family's inboxen though (and quite deftly, I might add.) I also chain bogofilter and spamprobe, experimenting with variations on bayes. I'm on the spamassassin list, and there ways to get MTA-level integration, if you desire. I'm running several anti-virus (3 - bitdefender, f-prot and clamav) in line via procmail on delivery. Each detects some the others miss (depending on the hour.) Again, this could be integrated at a higher level. You might check out amavis or mailscanner. I've got anomy sanitizer as a 3rd level of defense, stripping off active content and defanging (web bugs and the like), for selected accounts. I set this up all as discrete steps, and had no real headaches. The documentation for each package (postfix, fetchmail, procmail, spamassassin, clamav) was sufficient. I run my own linux firewall, but I can understand why some folks prefer to by an appliance. I host my mail server off-site, but have done the "studly mail admin" bit as well. Just a question of trade-offs for a home/hobby system, and how much time you want to spend on it. - Bob _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] High-speed access questions
by Martin, Eric March 31, 2004

March 31, 2004

That's another good point about Charter...most of the tech support people are everyday people with a manual in front of them that has a table with 2 cols: Customer reports problem :: Solution. I had more dynamic solutions when I was 10 than these guys have. Also, how hard is it to setup a linux router? I've been meaning to make a DMZ, just have to get familiar with iptables... Eric -----Original Message----- From: Mike Frysinger [mailto:vapier@gentoo.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:59 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions On Wednesday 31 March 2004 12:35 pm, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Has anyone had luck with linux and Verizon DSL? They're down to > $35/month, and they give you the modem. Anyone know of better deals? verizon is the cheapest ive seen in our area ... i use it out in holden and the service has been perfect the last few years ... if you can get speakeasy, i'd shell the few extra dollars out for them (too bad they dont have service in holden for me though :() ... speakeasy knows linux and offers technical support for no extra $$$ i started using them when they first started offering DSL and they sucked horribly ... but they have gotten their act together and i havent had troubles since personally i use a gentoo linux router that connects with PPPoE and hosts dns (with dnsmasq)/dhcp/NAT for about 6 linux machines and 5 windows machines ... never had troubles that were my fault :) do *not* try to contact technical support from verizon, the vast majority are stupid and just read off of the screen in front of them ... i only ever talked to one guy that knew what 'linux' was and that was after hours of being on the phone (this was back when their hardware would go dark for days on end) if need/want help i wouldnt mind stopping over to lend a hand ... assuming you live in the worcester area :) -mike _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] High-speed access questions
by Martin, Eric March 31, 2004

March 31, 2004

It just means that they won't support it. Charter will add $30/mo I believe....Verizon Does PPoE, get get ready to recompile your kernel if you aren't using a router (which you are, so it doesn't matter). Once you have a router plugged in, your internet connection becomes just a regular lan, and TCP/IP takes over, not Verizon or Charter... -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Avedissian [mailto:avedis@rcn.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:36 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] High-speed access questions It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac to use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't offer tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm planning on using a router and having two computers connected. Has anyone had luck with linux and Verizon DSL? They're down to $35/month, and they give you the modem. Anyone know of better deals? Thanks. Greg _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RedHat 9 Network Problem
by Joel Young March 31, 2004

March 31, 2004

I just replaced Windows XP with RedHat 9 on one of my machines at home. My problem is that I can't connect to the network. If I specify DHCP and then try to connect I don't get any responses from my DHCP server and 'eth0' won't activate. If I specify a static IP address (i.e. 192.168.1.2) then 'eth0' will activate but I still can't get out on the network, event to ping. My network configuration consists of a Netgear 10/100 Wireless Router connected to a Cable Modem, with a Linksys Router/Switch to the Netgear Router to expand my ports. I've been running fine from all my XP Desktops through this configuration using DHCP. Any ideas would be appreciated.

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firstname.lastname and user.group e-mail
by Karl Hiramoto March 30, 2004

March 30, 2004

I'm sure you all have see people with e-mails of first.last(a)domain.com Is this easy to do with linux? Is there any confusion with having user.group ? can you login to the box with username= first.last ? Any suggestions? -- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto

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RE: [Wlug] Good Beginners Book
by Martin, Eric March 26, 2004

March 26, 2004

I def like the HOWTOs, just not sure how much people will like them of if they'll find even a stage3 gentoo box intimidating...Not to be rude, but please no comments for or against gentoo. We all know where everybody stands and don't need another distro argument :) Eric -----Original Message----- From: Gary Hanley [mailto:gary@hanley.net] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:17 AM To: andystewart(a)comcast.net; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Good Beginners Book On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Andy Stewart wrote: > How about Matt Welsh's book: Running Linux That was my intro to Linux. 2nd edition, I think. But maybe a better idea would be to build a Gentoo system as a class project. The Gentoo on-line documention is fabulous and goes into easy to understand detail for any technical novice. Just a thought. -- Gary _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Good Beginners Book
by Martin, Eric March 26, 2004

March 26, 2004

Anybody have good suggestions for a good beginners linux book? I teach Adult Education classes for Worcester, and I'm thinking of a Linux class target towards small business owners (figure they'll be the easiest to see the benefits.) Any ideas? Eric Martin

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RE: [Wlug] Good Beginners Book
by JONATHAN BEALL March 25, 2004

March 25, 2004

hi, i just wanted to answer your question, and thank you for the meeting the other night. my friend and i attended for the first time. your question: try linux in the workplace by the linux journal press. isbn is 1886411867 it's not the newest (not that old either) but it covers most of the KDE aps from 3.1 -Jonathan Beall p.s.- my friend and i just started a business called JBC Solutions. It's desktop and server linux solutions aimed specifically at the small business owner (Koffice, OOo, Samba, Apache, etc). would you mind keeping me up to date with your class? thankyou. >From: "Martin, Eric" <MartinE(a)worc.k12.ma.us> >Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: [Wlug] Good Beginners Book >Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:57:43 -0500 > >Anybody have good suggestions for a good beginners linux book? I teach >Adult Education classes for Worcester, and I'm thinking of a Linux class >target towards small business owners (figure they'll be the easiest to see >the benefits.) Any ideas? > >Eric Martin >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _________________________________________________________________ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp

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ACM Installfest
by Ryan Caron March 24, 2004

March 24, 2004

Just a reminder that the Installfest is NOT this weekend. It will be held on Sunday, April 4th, from 3 to 7PM. We will be showing Revolution OS and other computer related movies for your enjoyment between swapping out Linux installation CDs. Sincerely, Ryan Caron ACM Secretary

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free stuff
by Scott Venier March 23, 2004

March 23, 2004

I'm currently in the process of moving into a new apartment and have a couple of boxes worth of stuff that I don't really feel like packing up and moving. That means it's time for the annual WLUG freestuff shuffle. ;) http://www.scooter.cx/~scott/freestuff First come, first serve. Act quickly, and I can even bring it to the meeting tomorrow evening. Act less quickly, and we can meet some other time. Act slowly, and I have to lug it into the new apartment. That's no fun. If you're not local, or know someone who's not local that wants something, I'll ship as long as I get paypal'd the cost of shipping. Anything that's not claimed by Friday is getting put up on craigslist, so don't delay. Scott

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Reminder: Meeting Wed 7 PM
by Andy Stewart March 23, 2004

March 23, 2004

Hi Everybody, Our next meeting is on Wednesday, March 24th at 7:00 PM in the usual place (Access Grid room). At this meeting, Doug Waud will be our speaker. He will talk about TeX, LaTeX, and pdfLaTeX, which are document processing systems for generating really beautiful books, especially those with alot of mathematics. I have put a couple of links on the WLUG home page for your reference. I'll bring refreshments to the meeting, and we can go out afterwards for some food. I'm not sure if the Boynton Restaurant has completed its renovations, but if not, we can go to the mexican place. I look forward to seeing many of you at the meeting. Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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RE: [wlug] Re: Instant Messaging Software
by Martin, Eric March 22, 2004

March 22, 2004

gaim supports jabber -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim To: 'Worcester Linux Users Group' Sent: 3/19/2004 4:16 PM Subject: RE: [wlug] Re: Instant Messaging Software The biggest problem usually isn't the messaging client itself, secure or insecure. The biggest problem is the users who don't understand the technology under it. Inside of Stratus we've done a lot of education to get users to understand that IM is a completely insecure medium and that no business information is to be transmitted over it. Once you explain to Suzy accountant that when she pasts the financials into the IM window and send it to her coworker that they shoot out the door, zip half way across the country and then come back and anybody in between can read them, it suddenly hits home... I only wish that Trillian supported Jabber. I deployed a Jabber server and it worked, but the clients for windows were so crummy that nobody used it. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 2:30 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Re: Instant Messaging Software Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > [...] > I work at a large company in Natick that has recently decided to > disallow instant messaging clients from being used on corporate PC's. If the policy is "no instant messaging clients", I don't think I'd load jabber, then argue the finer points. Especially if disciplinary action is noted for violations. If nothing else, make the case for an INTERNAL server, but GET APPROVAL before using it. Jabber has much to recommend it for such a server. > They sight a concern that it is an insecure network link to the outside > world that could allow hackers, worms, trojans, viruses, etc ... into > the otherwise protected network. That's a commonly cited concern, and not unwarranted. > [...] What does affect my team is the ability to easily > communicate with each other on a "live" or instant platform within the > company firewall (we have no interest really to communicate outside the > firewall yet). I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction > of an Open Source alternative to an instant messaging platform? For > starters I'm just looking for software to run on a server (either Linux > or Doze) and the associated clients to use on primarily XP or 2000 desktops. Again, I'd get approval first, but IRC can do much of what you want. There are plenty of Win clients and servers for it. - Bob _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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wall messages on Gentoo
by Karl Hiramoto March 21, 2004

March 21, 2004

Anyone know how to allow users other than root to wall messages to other logins? wall "test" only displays to other users if doing it from root. Do i need to be in a certain group? -- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto

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RE: [wlug] Re: Instant Messaging Software
by Keller, Tim March 20, 2004

March 20, 2004

The biggest problem usually isn't the messaging client itself, secure or insecure. The biggest problem is the users who don't understand the technology under it. Inside of Stratus we've done a lot of education to get users to understand that IM is a completely insecure medium and that no business information is to be transmitted over it. Once you explain to Suzy accountant that when she pasts the financials into the IM window and send it to her coworker that they shoot out the door, zip half way across the country and then come back and anybody in between can read them, it suddenly hits home... I only wish that Trillian supported Jabber. I deployed a Jabber server and it worked, but the clients for windows were so crummy that nobody used it. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 2:30 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Re: Instant Messaging Software Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > [...] > I work at a large company in Natick that has recently decided to > disallow instant messaging clients from being used on corporate PC's. If the policy is "no instant messaging clients", I don't think I'd load jabber, then argue the finer points. Especially if disciplinary action is noted for violations. If nothing else, make the case for an INTERNAL server, but GET APPROVAL before using it. Jabber has much to recommend it for such a server. > They sight a concern that it is an insecure network link to the outside > world that could allow hackers, worms, trojans, viruses, etc ... into > the otherwise protected network. That's a commonly cited concern, and not unwarranted. > [...] What does affect my team is the ability to easily > communicate with each other on a "live" or instant platform within the > company firewall (we have no interest really to communicate outside the > firewall yet). I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction > of an Open Source alternative to an instant messaging platform? For > starters I'm just looking for software to run on a server (either Linux > or Doze) and the associated clients to use on primarily XP or 2000 desktops. Again, I'd get approval first, but IRC can do much of what you want. There are plenty of Win clients and servers for it. - Bob _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Salvage flashdisk
by Joel Desrochers March 19, 2004

March 19, 2004

Tim, Here is one software I have heard was good, but have never used, Photorecovery. It is offered for XP or Mac OS 10. The demo is free. http://www.lc-tech.com/photorecovery.htm If you try it and it works, please let me know. Joel Desrochers Message: 6 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:24:37 -0500 From: "Keller, Tim" <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> Subject: [Wlug] Salvage flashdisk To: "'wlug(a)wlug.org'" <wlug(a)wlug.org> Message-ID: <CAC3BCBB443DEC439198F230B4BCC7E9035B1A9F(a)exna6-ftsaa.mis.stratus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've got a 32mb flash disk that's gone bad. Ironically it went bad before I had a chance to pull the pictures off of it. I can't open it with fdisk nor will doing a dd if=/dev/sda of=image_of_flash_disk will work. Anybody got any good ideas or know of utilities that might be capable of salvaging the data? Thanks, Tim. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page FREE download! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/

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Instant Messaging Software
by Simoncini, Matthew March 19, 2004

March 19, 2004

Hey guys, I work at a large company in Natick that has recently decided to disallow instant messaging clients from being used on corporate PC's. They sight a concern that it is an insecure network link to the outside world that could allow hackers, worms, trojans, viruses, etc ... into the otherwise protected network. Whether I agree with this opinion or not I guess is irrelevant as I don't have a strong enough voice to change anything. What does affect my team is the ability to easily communicate with each other on a "live" or instant platform within the company firewall (we have no interest really to communicate outside the firewall yet). I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of an Open Source alternative to an instant messaging platform? For starters I'm just looking for software to run on a server (either Linux or Doze) and the associated clients to use on primarily XP or 2000 desktops. I'm doing some research on Source Forge and other sites to see if I can find something myself, but would prefer a suggestion from someone who's already implemented something like this. Thanks in advance. Matthew

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