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Need topic for May meeting
by Andy Stewart May 10, 2004

May 10, 2004

HI all, Well, I'm trolling for a topic for this meeting, and I'm sure that as always, we'll come up with something. Along the lines of my previous email, are there any "serious" web developers out there who would care to show us how they do it with Linux ? If not, are there volunteers in the audience who'd like to address WLUG on some topic? The floor is open..... Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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windows BSOD
by Karl Hiramoto May 10, 2004

May 10, 2004

M$ windows machines: http://www.theinquirer.net/images/articles/sassa.jpg ��`��,��,��`��,��,��`��,��,��`��,��,��`�� Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ��`��,��,��`��,��,��`��,��,��`��,��,��`��

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block devices
by gma2004＠verizon.net May 9, 2004

May 9, 2004

How do I create a block device? Specifically, how do I re-create /dev/fd0 after I accidentally obliterated it? (hint: don't use the -u option with shred when the target is a device.) Thanks, Greg Avedissian

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Re: [Wlug] Creating web content with Linux
by JONATHAN BEALL May 5, 2004

May 5, 2004

i have to agree, the closest to dreamweaver is nothing... but next best would be mozilla, coffeecup, bluefish, or even emacs. -Jonathan >From: Baris Hasdemir <penguen(a)hasdemir.com> >Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Creating web content with Linux >Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 14:58:52 -0400 > >As far as I know the application closest to Dreamweaver/FPage in kin >might be the Mozilla editor as a WYSIWYG editor. Other than that there >is also an html editor called bluefish for the gnome-looking world. and >it is "apt-get install bluefish" away :) > >baris > >On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 14:40, Chris Aniszczyk wrote: > > > The questions are: What tools are available on Linux for creating web > > > content? Is there something akin to FrontPage for Linux? > > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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traceroute troubles
by gma2004＠verizon.net April 29, 2004

April 29, 2004

I'm having trouble getting traceroutes to go out with my slick new dsl connection. The modem has a router built into it, and even with its internal firewall turned off, the only output I get from a traceroute is the router'r IP number and times, followed by 29 lines of stars. I tried shutting down the network and using my dialup account, and traceroute works fine. I know it's not the firewall on my machine, because it makes no difference if it's on or off with the dsl, and traceroute works on the dialup with the firewall running. (Yes, I did remember to change the default path in the firewall config from eth0 to ppp0) Any ideas? Is this likely to be something built into the dsl modem, or something with Verizon? Or might I have something screwed up in my network setup? I can ping my other computers and I can ping out to the internet ok. Thanks, Greg Avedissian

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ssh known_hosts
by Bill Mills-Curran April 27, 2004

April 27, 2004

I'm having a problem with known (or unknown!) hosts since changing the IP address on a server. Server info: Redhat 8.0 ssh -V: OpenSSH_3.4p1, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090602f Client info: Redhat 9 ssh -V: OpenSSH_3.5p1, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090701f When logging into the server, I'm getting the following message: RSA host key for IP address '10.14.36.204' not in list of known hosts. I've played around with ~/.ssh/known_hosts (even renaming it), but I still get the message. Looking at the documentation for the known_hosts file format (in sshd man page), my current known_hosts file, looks quite a bit different (many fields are omitted). Why do I get the message, and how do I get rid of it? TIA, Bill

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test
by gma2004＠verizon.net April 26, 2004

April 26, 2004

test

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Reminder: WLUG Meeting
by Andy Stewart April 24, 2004

April 24, 2004

HI everybody, This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting, to be held on Thursday, April 22, at 7:00 PM at the usual place (the Access Grid room at WPI). At this meeting, we'll be having a PGP keysigning party, as described by Chuck Anderson in an email earlier this week. I hope a few people will be there to share how they make this work from their favorite email program. I haven't been entirely successful with Kmail, but I'll share just the same. Even if you don't have a PGP key, come over anyway to learn about this technology and to chat with others. I'd also be happy to relate to you the results of the "Introduction to Linux" class which I've recently finished teaching for the Chelmsford Community Education program. I'll be teaching this class again in September, and we're currently planning a much more advanced class. Also, bring along your ideas for future meetings! Afterwards, we'll venture out for pizza and beer at the newly renovated Boynton Restaurant - you won't recognize the place! See ya later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Free systems to good home...
by Theo Van Dinter April 23, 2004

April 23, 2004

I thought I'd throw this out and see if anyone was interested... I've got 3 machines just sitting around collecting dust that I'd like to give away. They're pretty much base-bones (case, ps, mb, cpu) although I may have some memory for the P120 and the P200 (have to check when I get home): P120, Mini-Tower P166, Full Tower P200 Overdrive, Mini-Tower If you're interested in grabbing one of these, let me know and I'll bring it along to the meeting tomorrow night. :) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "To his dog, every man is Napoleon, hence the constant popularity of dogs." - Susan Vick

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Summer Intern Job
by Karl Hiramoto April 22, 2004

April 22, 2004

For anyone that is interested in a programming job.. http://jobs.accusense.com/programmer-analyist-intern.html -- -- Karl Hiramoto karl at hiramoto dot org http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Mobile: 508.517.4819 Work: 978-425-2090

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Linux From Scratch??
by Ken Jones April 19, 2004

April 19, 2004

Have any us tried to build a Linux From Scratch? <http://lfs.oregonstate.edu/lfs/news.html> How did it go? Is there a thread on the subject? Does anyone know of a college level course which uses this as part of its lab.? Ken Jones Fitchburg, MA

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Signed e-mails and Kmail
by Andy Stewart April 18, 2004

April 18, 2004

Hi all, I'm playing around with digital signatures in e-mail, and I have that working on Kmail (KDE) wnen I send the e-mail. However, when I receive a signed e-mail, Kmail isn't able to automatically check the validity of the signature (unless I sent it). Within Kmail, I click on Settings->Configure Kmail->Security and point to libgpgme.so in the Crypto Plugins tab. I select that plugin and activate it. I then click the "configure" button and try to start the certificate manager. >From the KGpgCertManager, I get an error indicating that the symbol "initialize" was not found in libkdenetwork.so.2. I'm running SuSE 9.0 Pro, Kmail 1.5.4, and KDE 3.1.4. I've scoured the net to no avail. Does anybody have this working in Kmail? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Next meeting - topic?
by Andy Stewart April 17, 2004

April 17, 2004

HI all, We have a meeting coming up on Thursday, April 22, but we have neither a topic nor a speaker. Since I am fully consumed in my job search and the layoff process, I won't be able to do a presentation this month. I am seeking a volunteer - please?? :-) Now, now, don't push and shove, I know many of you are eager for such a challenge. Please contact me by email and we can work out the details. Thanks in advance! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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How Barbaric!
by sageman＠WPI.EDU April 14, 2004

April 14, 2004

--- "Hello, I'm running gentoo with 2.6.4 kernel" 2.6.4! 2.6.5 came out, like almost a whole 9 days ago! Let's see these priorities right already and upgrade this archaic, elder kernel already! Yeah, that's definitely sleep-inside-spinlock checks though. Just run your favorite kernel configurator (make config, or make xconfig or something), and under "Kernel Hacking" uncheck the "sleep-inside-spinlock checking" box. Hope it helps ^_^ http://sageman.res.wpi.net

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Nvidia and 2.6.4
by orbitz＠ezabel.com April 13, 2004

April 13, 2004

Hello, I'm running gentoo with 2.6.4 kernel and my /var/log/messages is getting filled up with this junk: Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel Debug: sleeping function called from invalid context at mm/slab.c:1900 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel in_atomic():1, irqs_disabled():0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel Call Trace: Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c011a1ab>] __might_sleep+0xab/0xd0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c013d0a6>] __kmalloc+0x96/0xa0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b7db39>] os_alloc_mem+0x5c/0x87 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b97df0>] _nv001308rm+0x10/0x28 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0cb058d>] _nv001518rm+0x7c9/0xb34 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0109588>] common_interrupt+0x18/0x20 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c34d61>] _nv002465rm+0x81/0x420 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c34d78>] _nv002465rm+0x98/0x420 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b8d965>] _nv001338rm+0x1d/0x24 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b7e555>] _nv005601rm+0xd/0x34 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b85c38>] _nv000858rm+0x300/0xe14 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0124bca>] run_timer_softirq+0x10a/0x1b0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0124d5f>] do_timer+0xdf/0xf0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c010b16d>] do_IRQ+0xfd/0x130 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0109588>] common_interrupt+0x18/0x20 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b81eed>] _nv002962rm+0x2c5/0x3b8 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b9c8a9>] _nv000899rm+0x4c9/0xf70 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b9c8bc>] _nv000899rm+0x4dc/0xf70 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0ba2df9>] _nv004363rm+0x59/0x90 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0bc05ea>] _nv005046rm+0x52/0x70 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0ba2d02>] _nv004679rm+0x1be/0x1d0 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0117fba>] wake_up_state+0x1a/0x20 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0126c31>] send_group_sig_info+0x31/0x60 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c016380b>] send_sigio_to_task+0xeb/0x100 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b8d7fe>] _nv001344rm+0x46/0x6c [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0cb545a>] _nv001480rm+0x3a/0x7c [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0163872>] send_sigio+0x52/0xf0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0267b78>] get_device+0x18/0x30 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c02ce9c7>] uhci_submit_common+0x1f7/0x2b0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0117fba>] wake_up_state+0x1a/0x20 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0126c31>] send_group_sig_info+0x31/0x60 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0cf912f>] _nv000176rm+0x57/0x3ec [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c018c9ac>] ext3_get_block_handle+0xac/0x360 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0138535>] mempool_alloc+0x75/0x160 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c011a5e0>] autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x50 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0138535>] mempool_alloc+0x75/0x160 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b8d965>] _nv001338rm+0x1d/0x24 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0bb2eac>] _nv005307rm+0x54/0x544 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c6369b>] _nv001532rm+0x1f/0x28 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c6364c>] _nv001534rm+0x20/0x28 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c63e42>] _nv003621rm+0x1a/0x20 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0cfa708>] _nv000183rm+0x750/0x774 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c6369b>] _nv001532rm+0x1f/0x28 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c63e81>] _nv003619rm+0x19/0x20 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0cb29f3>] _nv003073rm+0x1b/0x30 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0cf912f>] _nv000176rm+0x57/0x3ec [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b8d7da>] _nv001344rm+0x22/0x6c [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c637db>] _nv001556rm+0x5b/0x6c [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b8d7da>] _nv001344rm+0x22/0x6c [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c637db>] _nv001556rm+0x5b/0x6c [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b8d7da>] _nv001344rm+0x22/0x6c [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c637db>] _nv001556rm+0x5b/0x6c [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c637db>] _nv001556rm+0x5b/0x6c [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c637db>] _nv001556rm+0x5b/0x6c [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0117d1e>] recalc_task_prio+0x8e/0x1b0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0cf912f>] _nv000176rm+0x57/0x3ec [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c03337f4>] kfree_skbmem+0x24/0x30 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c033385a>] __kfree_skb+0x5a/0xc0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c032fc78>] sock_aio_read+0xb8/0xd0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c015142b>] do_sync_read+0x8b/0xc0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b9bfb1>] rm_ioctl+0x19/0x20 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b7ba08>] nv_kern_ioctl+0x4de/0x529 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b9a901>] _nv000865rm+0x3d/0x48 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b7ba78>] nv_kern_isr+0x25/0x5c [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0151550>] vfs_read+0xf0/0x130 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0163f13>] sys_ioctl+0xf3/0x2a0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c010941b>] syscall_call+0x7/0xb It seems pretty nvidia related, and I had this rpoblem before, but updating my kernel seems to have brought it back. Does anyone have any idea how to fix this? I suppose if worst comes to worst I can try to revert back to 2.6.2 or 3. Thanks, Malcolm

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RE: [Wlug] Next meeting - topic?
by Martin, Eric April 13, 2004

April 13, 2004

I'm game -----Original Message----- From: Charles R. Anderson [mailto:cra@WPI.EDU] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 5:54 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Next meeting - topic? Who wants to do a PGP Keysigning? It would involve advance preparation from everyone who would like to participate. By now I'd imagine most of you have gotten your feet wet with GnuPG :-) If not, see: http://www.wlug.org/files/pgp-slides/index.html If there is interest, please let me know in the next couple days so I can organize the procedure and send out instructions. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE
by Martin, Eric April 9, 2004

April 9, 2004

I personally have my firewall configured to drop pings. If they don't know you're there, you aren't a target. Granted it doesn't keep seasoned hackers off your box, but it's one more piece of security. -----Original Message----- From: Josh Huber [mailto:huber@alum.wpi.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:50 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE avedis(a)rcn.com writes: > [...] > then could surf, with download speeds up to 1.7M/s. Just curious, is that bytes or bits? (I wasn't aware of verizon offering such a fast link) > I even got my firewall working with the new connection, but two things > seems to have changed. SuSEfirewall2 was set not to accept pings, and > it looks like it's still set that way, but Gibson Research's port > scanning utility can ping me. The other thing is that before, I had to > manually enter commands > (iptables) to drop packets to port 119 to put it into "stealth" mode. > Now, I don't have to do that, as it already appears stealthed. Can > anyone explain either of these phenomena? I'm not sure why you would want to drop all pings. You'll probably find that the default firewalling rules drop some kinds of ICMP packets, but there are some which are useful to keep around. (personally, I think dropping all inbound ICMP is pretty annoying when trying to diagnose network issues...) As for port 119, this appears to be the NNTP (net news) port -- why would you be running a news server I'm not sure :) -- Josh Huber _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE
by Martin, Eric April 9, 2004

April 9, 2004

Please elaborate. I know what a DDoS and DoS are, but smurf/fraggle amplication; now I'm lost. -----Original Message----- From: Frank Sweetser [mailto:fs@WPI.EDU] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 10:53 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 10:50:18AM -0400, Josh Huber wrote: > "Martin, Eric" <MartinE(a)worc.k12.ma.us> writes: > > > I personally have my firewall configured to drop pings. If they > > don't know you're there, you aren't a target. Granted it doesn't > > keep seasoned hackers off your box, but it's one more piece of > > security. > > I don't buy that argument. Two situations: How about the fact that if you don't, you're open to acting as an unwitting participant in a smurf/fraggle amplification DoS? -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE
by Martin, Eric April 9, 2004

April 9, 2004

I have 0 visible services, but I still don't want people doing port scans. Why pose a target when I don't have to. There is no reason why anybody should be pinging my house. Therefore, I don't let them. Why would I enable anything to let people see me? Stardard security practice: Only allow what is *needed*, and I don't *need* anybody pinging me. If I do, I'll turn it on. Eric -----Original Message----- From: Josh Huber [mailto:huber@alum.wpi.edu] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 10:50 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE "Martin, Eric" <MartinE(a)worc.k12.ma.us> writes: > I personally have my firewall configured to drop pings. If they don't > know you're there, you aren't a target. Granted it doesn't keep > seasoned hackers off your box, but it's one more piece of security. I don't buy that argument. Two situations: 1) You have no other internet-visible services: * What's the harm in allowing icmp echo? Who cares, unless there happens to be some vulnerable ICMP code in the kernel. I suppose that's a risk I'd be willing to take. :) 2) You have other internet-visible services: * A port scan will reveal you, regardless of ICMP responses. -- Josh Huber _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Verizon DSL on SuSE
by avedis＠rcn.com April 9, 2004

April 9, 2004

I got set up yesterday with Verizon DSL. I had to boot into windows to do the account activation, and their tech support walked me through it. Once the connection was up, I added a hub and a second computer (with XP - it's not mine, I swear) opened a browser and began surfing. Setting up DSL on SuSE 8.2 was pretty easy, considering I don't really know what I'm doing. Yast setup for a network card and dsl went smoothly. I only had to make one file edit, to designate eth0 in pppoe.conf, rebooted the computer and then could surf, with download speeds up to 1.7M/s. I even got my firewall working with the new connection, but two things seems to have changed. SuSEfirewall2 was set not to accept pings, and it looks like it's still set that way, but Gibson Research's port scanning utility can ping me. The other thing is that before, I had to manually enter commands (iptables) to drop packets to port 119 to put it into "stealth" mode. Now, I don't have to do that, as it already appears stealthed. Can anyone explain either of these phenomena? Greg

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Re: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE
by avedis＠rcn.com April 8, 2004

April 8, 2004

Josh Huber wrote: > avedis(a)rcn.com writes: > > >>[...] >>then could surf, with download speeds up to 1.7M/s. > > Just curious, is that bytes or bits? (I wasn't aware of verizon > offering such a fast link)> Bits, I think. Whatever they advertise as supplying 1.5meg down and 128k up. I'm at the bottom of the hill from the phone company, so maybe that helps. I downloaded knoppix (700MB) in a little more than an hour. > > I'm not sure why you would want to drop all pings. You'll probably > find that the default firewalling rules drop some kinds of ICMP > packets, but there are some which are useful to keep > around. (personally, I think dropping all inbound ICMP is pretty > annoying when trying to diagnose network issues...) > I don't know enough to have an answer. How many kinds of ICMP are there? The firewall config file gives three choices - # Allow (or don't) ICMP echo pings on either the firewall or the dmz from # the internet? The internet option is for allowing the DMZ and the internal # network to ping the internet. FW_ALLOW_PING_FW="no" FW_ALLOW_PING_DMZ="no" FW_ALLOW_PING_EXT="no" I understand that the first two determine whether the firewall or the dmz respond to pings from the internet, but I'm not sure what the third option does. I am able to ping out to the internet, even though it's set to 'no', so I don't understand the last comment. > As for port 119, this appears to be the NNTP (net news) port -- why > would you be running a news server I'm not sure :) > Woops. I meant port 113, identd/auth. Thanks, Greg

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RE: [Wlug] Re: WLUG IRC anywhere?
by Martin, Eric April 8, 2004

April 8, 2004

That's where I am now. Heck I'll even settle for being able to coax it out of the user, along with processor and RAM info...but some people you can't even get that far. (Yes all my windows are closed, it's Winter!!!) Eric -----Original Message----- From: Bill Smith [mailto:wsmith@chezsmith.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 3:29 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: WLUG IRC anywhere? On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 09:06:51 -0400 "Martin, Eric" <MartinE(a)worc.k12.ma.us> wrote: > Here Here!!! Granted I've gotten into a debate with a friend of mine and > have slowly came to the conclusion that not everybody needs to know > *everything* about a computer to work one, but directories and applications > are a good start :) Worst one is when you ask and aol user for their email > addy, and they tell you HappyGoLucky127 (generally you can just assume the > @aol.com) I'll take that.... trying to know the why's and wherefore's of a computer before using one is like trying to know the intimate details of how a car works before driving one. all i ask from a user is that s/he know enough about the system they are using so that if i ask "what OS are you using?", i don't get a blank look. (i've gotten a lot of them, believe me.) -- William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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WLUG IRC anywhere?
by Bob George April 7, 2004

April 7, 2004

Just wondering if there's a WLUG IRC channel or similar about? - Bob

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RE: [Wlug] Re: WLUG IRC anywhere?
by Martin, Eric April 7, 2004

April 7, 2004

Here Here!!! Granted I've gotten into a debate with a friend of mine and have slowly came to the conclusion that not everybody needs to know *everything* about a computer to work one, but directories and applications are a good start :) Worst one is when you ask and aol user for their email addy, and they tell you HappyGoLucky127 (generally you can just assume the @aol.com) Eric -----Original Message----- From: orbitz(a)ezabel.com [mailto:orbitz@ezabel.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:12 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: WLUG IRC anywhere? Having tried to fix many peoples Windows XP installs I find XP very unmanagable. The guts (generally what I need to fix) is so hidden from the user in an attempt to keep up the facade of 'ease of use' it's a PITA to get around just to fix a screwy network connection. How many windows users don't even know what a directory is? I don't call that ease of use, merely keeping them ignorant. It's a sad state of computer use:) On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:51:56 -0400 Bill Smith <wsmith(a)chezsmith.com> wrote: > On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:43:57 -0400 > Bob George <mailings02(a)ttlexceeded.com> wrote: > > > Hey, at least there's not some kid constantly griping that Windows > > was > > so much easier (what happened to the Phoenix LUG channel - now #plugaz). > > I often find myself sighing at the "Windows is easier" crowd. i want > to educate them to what is available to them, to show them that > "easier" does not necessarily mean "best for the job". Easier might > be just that (easy), but it sometimes means making the wrong choice. > > If a person wants to favor an operating system simply because it's > "easy", then that person deserves all the resulting heartache s/he > gets. often, the person looking for "easy" will think "ease of use" > instead of "ease to get going without immediate worry"... If that > became a major concern instead, I think we would see a decided shift > towards unix variants. Sure, Win* might be easy to USE, but if you > want it networked, there's a bit of know-how and effort involved to > make it SECURE. (that could probably be said for any OS, but it is > more true for Win* than for many others.) > > > A lot of LUG channels are largely idle, but I tend to lurk and > > occasionally there are some gems worth waiting for. > > :) granted. can't argue that one. > > -- > > William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com > Fall River, MA > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem
by Martin, Eric April 7, 2004

April 7, 2004

He has a router in between, shouldn't have anything to do with your ISP. Can you ping your router? Also, is it possible that your routers ip isn't 192.168.1.x? Maybe you did a firmware upgrade? -----Original Message----- From: aramico(a)duahati.com [mailto:aramico@duahati.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:47 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem Still get this problem ? Try to call your ISP and ask him to reset the settting. It ussualy happens if you change the operating system between Windows and Unix/Linux. But, it ussually works fine too if you change the computer and or the operating system to Windows too, but not for other :(( After resetting, it should be fine. Regards, Aramico > Joel Young wrote: > >> I just replaced Windows XP with RedHat 9 on one of my machines at >> home. My problem is that I can't connect to the network. If I >> specify DHCP and then try to connect I don't get any responses from >> my DHCP server and 'eth0' won't activate. If I specify a static IP >> address (i.e. >> 192.168.1.2) then 'eth0' will activate but I still can't get out on the >> network, event to ping. >> >> My network configuration consists of a Netgear 10/100 Wireless Router >> connected to a Cable Modem, with a Linksys Router/Switch to the >> Netgear Router to expand my ports. I've been running fine from all >> my XP Desktops through this configuration using DHCP. >> >> Any ideas would be appreciated. > > Joel, > > Include your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and your > /etc/sysconfig/network files in an email so we can see what they look > like. > > -- > Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 > Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest > RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN > Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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