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GPG - web of trust
by Andy Stewart 21 May '04

21 May '04

HI all, I recently received an email from Jeff Moyer on the WLUG list. Kmail noted that the digital signature was valid but untrusted (I thought that feature was broken - why is it suddenly working??). I had downloaded Jeff's key from the key server. What establishes this key as trusted? Certainly, if I had signed Jeff's key myself, I would trust it, but in this case, I did not. I also don't know anybody who has signed Jeff's key. Do I need to place a personal value on keys which I've downloaded? Hypothetically, what if I downloaded it from some rogue server masquerading as the real thing? What I suspect is that if I signed Joe Blow's key, and Joe had signed Jeff Moyer's key, and I had placed a value on Joe's ability to properly verify keys, that there would be some implication about the goodness of Jeff's key. Correct? In my situation, I suspect that there are too many degrees of separation between keys which I trust and Jeff's key and its signers. How does this gap get closed? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 7, Issue 11
by Thumper 20 May '04

20 May '04

Since I have no good things to say about Comcast/ATT, I refuse to say anything about that rotten, thieving company that will never get any more of my business. On the other hand I have many good things to say about RCN. Fast, not bound to specific MAC address, great uptime, IP addresses don't change very often... Grass is much greener on the RCN side of the fence. At least from my vantage point. > > I have Comcast (AT&T Broadband) in southern NH and have nothing but > > good things to say about them. In the 3 years I had them, I think I > > can count the number of outages on 1 hand and they were always very > > brief. > > > > > > > > > I've heard nothing but overwhelming complaints about Comcast. I have had > > > email contact with dozens of municipalities who use Comcast for Internet > > > service. Things like "weeks without service" is a common theme. I can't > > > remember hearing anything good about them. > > > > > > - Rob > > >

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RE: [Wlug] Comcast experiences Plug for Speakeasy.net
by Keller, Tim 19 May '04

19 May '04

Does anybody on the WLUG list use Vonage? I constantly see banner ads for them, but I don't know anybody who uses them. Later, Tim. "I can not bring myself to believe that if knowledge presents danger, the solution is ignorance" - Isaac Asimov -----Original Message----- From: Josh Huber [mailto:huber@alum.wpi.edu] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:41 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Comcast experiences Plug for Speakeasy.net Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> writes: > the trouble is that if everyone has a cellphone and thus the local > line never gets used, you have to add $30 to the price of dsl since > that's how much a local line will run you -mike Check for the no long distance, local metered plans. I had this (before I canceled my phone line) and it cost $10 from verizon. After the excessive taxes and fees, it came out to around $16, if I recall. All outgoing calls cost money, so you really only want to do this if you don't use the phone for voice... -- Josh Huber _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] Charter experiences? -was:Comcast experiences ?
by Martin, Eric 19 May '04

19 May '04

Um...what package did you have with Verizon / Charter? Last I checked, verizon was 49.99, and Charter only adds on $35 to your cable bill if you already have any form of cable (or it costs an extra 10 or 11 if you don't)...Granted those are base rates, but...'sides, buy the bridge, you can get one from Best Buy for $60 or less if you get rebates.... Eric -----Original Message----- From: Baris Hasdemir [mailto:penguen@hasdemir.com] Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 10:22 AM To: WLUG Subject: Re: [Wlug] Charter experiences? -was:Comcast experiences ? On Sun, 2004-05-16 at 03:04, Mike Frysinger wrote: > i was talking with a guy who claimed comcast provided great cable > service in > worcester and was basically way better than anything dsl could offer (i use > speakeasy myself and love it). seeing as how he is a non-computer person, i > took his opinion with a large grain of salt ... > > it did get me wondering though as ive never used comcast in worcester > myself, > just in holden (and it sucked a lot), how have other people got along with > comcast here ? looking for the standard fare, speeds/tech support/response > times/etc... > -mike > I did not like Charter's service very much when I switched to it from Verizon DSL. Charter charges ~10 dollars more than Verizon DSL including a rent for cable modem but they gave us 2Mbits (I Think they're now giving 3Mbits) Besides the higher bandwidth, most of the time especially in the evenings I experienced latencies, if it's the right word to use. For example, I click on an ordinary link, wait for sometime and *then* it finally starts loading which is fast, of course. So I got back to Verizon again. I have 1.5Mbits and I'm fine enough. Regarding the customer support, all I can say is they did not refund anything when I canceled my subscription in 20 days. Neither the installation fee(although I had to do it myself, since there was no working version of windows) nor usage fee. baris _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Comcast experiences ?
by Mike Frysinger 19 May '04

19 May '04

i was talking with a guy who claimed comcast provided great cable service in worcester and was basically way better than anything dsl could offer (i use speakeasy myself and love it). seeing as how he is a non-computer person, i took his opinion with a large grain of salt ... it did get me wondering though as ive never used comcast in worcester myself, just in holden (and it sucked a lot), how have other people got along with comcast here ? looking for the standard fare, speeds/tech support/response times/etc... -mike

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RE: [Wlug] Comcast experiences ?
by Hemstreet, Jeffrey L (Jeffrey) 19 May '04

19 May '04

I have & like Charter... I had the same MAC problem 0->O when they typed it in. I've had less than 6 outages at an average of about day each time over the past 3 years. Tech support can take forever to get to since you call into level 1 and they ask the "is your PC plugged into the modem?" questions, but the second-level support is pretty good. Speed is good. 768K base service, but some people are getting 1.5-2 in areas that aren't limited. (My loop is pretty busy, but I still get a good connection.) jeff -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Martin, Eric Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:07 AM To: 'Worcester Linux Users Group' Subject: RE: [Wlug] Comcast experiences ? Charter's not too bad here...Sometimes their tech support is bad (but who's isn't) eg took me a week or 2 to convice them that they wrote my MAC for my bridge wrong, and that was why I couldn't get on the net...As far as speed I think it's fine. Agree? Disagree? -----Original Message----- From: Mike Frysinger [mailto:vapier@gentoo.org] Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 3:06 AM To: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Comcast experiences ? err, replace every occurence of 'comcast' with 'charter' :) -mike _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] Comcast experiences ?
by Martin, Eric 19 May '04

19 May '04

Charter's not too bad here...Sometimes their tech support is bad (but who's isn't) eg took me a week or 2 to convice them that they wrote my MAC for my bridge wrong, and that was why I couldn't get on the net...As far as speed I think it's fine. Agree? Disagree? -----Original Message----- From: Mike Frysinger [mailto:vapier@gentoo.org] Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 3:06 AM To: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Comcast experiences ? err, replace every occurence of 'comcast' with 'charter' :) -mike _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] SuSE 9.1
by Martin, Eric 19 May '04

19 May '04

Yeah, I ran 2.6.(can't remember patch) on my laptop for a while, and `ifconfig eth0' worked fine...One cool thing is that 2.6 did get pcmcia working, although it ran dog slow with some stuff...maybe I had to recompile a bunch of apps? I'll post a few when I get to play with 2.6 again Eric -----Original Message----- From: mike(a)beakerware.net [mailto:mike@beakerware.net] Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 10:11 PM To: Andy Stewart Cc: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] SuSE 9.1 > 7) The network devices are a little weird in 2.6. There isn't an > "ifup eth0" > or "ifup eth1" like there used to be. On my system, its "ifup > eth-id-00:00:00:00:00:00" (fill in your MAC address). Once its up and you > see it with ifconfig, the "standard" ifdown command works as always. While I'm not 100% familiar with SuSE, does your network interface appear if you do an 'ifconfig -a' before an ifup is issued? I think its a SuSE thing, not a 2.6 thing your seeing, maybe because SuSE doesn't load the network card module until an 'ifup' is done? -mike _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Reminder: Upcoming WLUG Meeting
by Andy Stewart 17 May '04

17 May '04

Hi Everybody, Its that time again...time for our monthly WLUG meeting, which will be on Wednesday, May 19th at 7:00 PM in the usual place (see website for directions). At this meeting, our own Tim Keller will give a talk which he describes thus: ---start Tim--- Here's the title. Creating and Rendering 3D Objects in Linux using OSS tools. Here's the blurb. I'll be giving a general talk about some of the open source tools that are currently available on linux and using them to create 3D objects, scenes and animations. I'll show the pros, cons, cool features and short comings of these non commercial products. ---end Tim--- After the meeting, we'll go out for food & drink. I'm wondering if we want Mexican this month. We can decide at the meeting. See ya later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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SuSE 9.1
by Andy Stewart 16 May '04

16 May '04

HI everybody, I've received my copy of SuSE 9.1 and I've gotten it installed on my laptop. Here are my thoughts so far. 0) SuSE 9.1 comes on 2 double-sided DVDs and 5 CDs. There are 64 and 32-bit versions, so one must used the proper side of the DVD. 1) It took 2 hours to upgrade from SuSE 9.0 to SuSE 9.1 on my 1 GHz Sony Vaio laptop using the DVD. That seemed long to me. 2) It uses the 2.6.4 kernel. One new feature of that kernel caused me some temporary grief since I didn't understand what it was doing. The "subfs" filesystem type is used for removeable media. The user doesn't need to mount any CD or floppy, just put in the medium and reference it with "ls /media/ floppy" or whatever. The operating system figures out that the medium isn't mounted, mounts it, carries out your wish, and then unmounts it. Sometimes, I find this a bit annoying, but perhaps I'm just not yet used to it. 3) The ACPI power management on my laptop now actually works! Well, it works for the root user, anyway (kpowersave). I actually got about 45 minutes on a battery (instead of 10). The PCMCIA wireless card really suck the life out of the battery when used! I'm diving into the code to figure out why kpowersave won't work for J-random-user. There's probably some executable that needs setuid root or some such. I suspect I can be more agressive about power saving to get close to 60 minutes out of it. 4) I said "bye-bye" to the ide-scsi module, especially after reading some notes about Linus' opinion of that module and the author of cdrecord. Things work fine without it. 5) Sound works great after one simple command. 6) I got wireless, grub, the printer, the hard wired network, and even (I think) the onboard modem working very easily. I've never had the onboard modem working previously. 7) The network devices are a little weird in 2.6. There isn't an "ifup eth0" or "ifup eth1" like there used to be. On my system, its "ifup eth-id-00:00:00:00:00:00" (fill in your MAC address). Once its up and you see it with ifconfig, the "standard" ifdown command works as always. 8) SuSE 9.1 comes with KDE 3.2.1, with which I haven't yet played. Thunderstorm coming....singing of for now....... -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Ftp & Samba questions
by Marc Hughes 13 May '04

13 May '04

Here's 2 quick questions. If I set up samba to be a domain controller. Can clients not participating in the domain still log in? What FTP server do you suggest for internal use that's low-load (5 max clients at a time) and low-maintenance? -Marc

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System won't shutdown
by Michael Long 12 May '04

12 May '04

Hi, I have a computer with SuSE 9.0 installed. When I run shutdown -h now it starts the shutdown process but then hangs immediately after running /etc/init.d/halt.local2 done I can hit the carriage return and am left at the console with the system running. The relevant part of ps x at this point is. 296822 ? S 0:00 2 /bin/bash /etc/init.d/rc 0 296899 ? S 0:00 2 /bin/2sh /etc/init.d/rc0.d/S20halt start What could be preventing this machine from shutting down? Thanks, Mike

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RE: [Wlug] Need topic for May meeting
by Keller, Tim 11 May '04

11 May '04

Andy, I could do a quick talk on 3d modeling with tools such as Kpovmodeler and povray on linux, if you think people might be interested in that... Hey, how's the job search going? I could see about getting your resume into the proper peoples hands if you'd be interested in that? Later, Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 5:38 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group Subject: [Wlug] Need topic for May meeting HI all, Well, I'm trolling for a topic for this meeting, and I'm sure that as always, we'll come up with something. Along the lines of my previous email, are there any "serious" web developers out there who would care to show us how they do it with Linux ? If not, are there volunteers in the audience who'd like to address WLUG on some topic? The floor is open..... Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Need topic for May meeting
by Andy Stewart 10 May '04

10 May '04

HI all, Well, I'm trolling for a topic for this meeting, and I'm sure that as always, we'll come up with something. Along the lines of my previous email, are there any "serious" web developers out there who would care to show us how they do it with Linux ? If not, are there volunteers in the audience who'd like to address WLUG on some topic? The floor is open..... Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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windows BSOD
by Karl Hiramoto 10 May '04

10 May '04

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block devices
by gma2004＠verizon.net 09 May '04

09 May '04

How do I create a block device? Specifically, how do I re-create /dev/fd0 after I accidentally obliterated it? (hint: don't use the -u option with shred when the target is a device.) Thanks, Greg Avedissian

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Re: [Wlug] Creating web content with Linux
by JONATHAN BEALL 05 May '04

05 May '04

i have to agree, the closest to dreamweaver is nothing... but next best would be mozilla, coffeecup, bluefish, or even emacs. -Jonathan >From: Baris Hasdemir <penguen(a)hasdemir.com> >Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Creating web content with Linux >Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 14:58:52 -0400 > >As far as I know the application closest to Dreamweaver/FPage in kin >might be the Mozilla editor as a WYSIWYG editor. Other than that there >is also an html editor called bluefish for the gnome-looking world. and >it is "apt-get install bluefish" away :) > >baris > >On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 14:40, Chris Aniszczyk wrote: > > > The questions are: What tools are available on Linux for creating web > > > content? Is there something akin to FrontPage for Linux? > > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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traceroute troubles
by gma2004＠verizon.net 29 Apr '04

29 Apr '04

I'm having trouble getting traceroutes to go out with my slick new dsl connection. The modem has a router built into it, and even with its internal firewall turned off, the only output I get from a traceroute is the router'r IP number and times, followed by 29 lines of stars. I tried shutting down the network and using my dialup account, and traceroute works fine. I know it's not the firewall on my machine, because it makes no difference if it's on or off with the dsl, and traceroute works on the dialup with the firewall running. (Yes, I did remember to change the default path in the firewall config from eth0 to ppp0) Any ideas? Is this likely to be something built into the dsl modem, or something with Verizon? Or might I have something screwed up in my network setup? I can ping my other computers and I can ping out to the internet ok. Thanks, Greg Avedissian

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ssh known_hosts
by Bill Mills-Curran 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

I'm having a problem with known (or unknown!) hosts since changing the IP address on a server. Server info: Redhat 8.0 ssh -V: OpenSSH_3.4p1, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090602f Client info: Redhat 9 ssh -V: OpenSSH_3.5p1, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090701f When logging into the server, I'm getting the following message: RSA host key for IP address '10.14.36.204' not in list of known hosts. I've played around with ~/.ssh/known_hosts (even renaming it), but I still get the message. Looking at the documentation for the known_hosts file format (in sshd man page), my current known_hosts file, looks quite a bit different (many fields are omitted). Why do I get the message, and how do I get rid of it? TIA, Bill

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test
by gma2004＠verizon.net 26 Apr '04

26 Apr '04

test

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Reminder: WLUG Meeting
by Andy Stewart 24 Apr '04

24 Apr '04

HI everybody, This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting, to be held on Thursday, April 22, at 7:00 PM at the usual place (the Access Grid room at WPI). At this meeting, we'll be having a PGP keysigning party, as described by Chuck Anderson in an email earlier this week. I hope a few people will be there to share how they make this work from their favorite email program. I haven't been entirely successful with Kmail, but I'll share just the same. Even if you don't have a PGP key, come over anyway to learn about this technology and to chat with others. I'd also be happy to relate to you the results of the "Introduction to Linux" class which I've recently finished teaching for the Chelmsford Community Education program. I'll be teaching this class again in September, and we're currently planning a much more advanced class. Also, bring along your ideas for future meetings! Afterwards, we'll venture out for pizza and beer at the newly renovated Boynton Restaurant - you won't recognize the place! See ya later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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Free systems to good home...
by Theo Van Dinter 23 Apr '04

23 Apr '04

I thought I'd throw this out and see if anyone was interested... I've got 3 machines just sitting around collecting dust that I'd like to give away. They're pretty much base-bones (case, ps, mb, cpu) although I may have some memory for the P120 and the P200 (have to check when I get home): P120, Mini-Tower P166, Full Tower P200 Overdrive, Mini-Tower If you're interested in grabbing one of these, let me know and I'll bring it along to the meeting tomorrow night. :) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "To his dog, every man is Napoleon, hence the constant popularity of dogs." - Susan Vick

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Summer Intern Job
by Karl Hiramoto 22 Apr '04

22 Apr '04

For anyone that is interested in a programming job.. http://jobs.accusense.com/programmer-analyist-intern.html -- -- Karl Hiramoto karl at hiramoto dot org http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Mobile: 508.517.4819 Work: 978-425-2090

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Linux From Scratch??
by Ken Jones 19 Apr '04

19 Apr '04

Have any us tried to build a Linux From Scratch? <http://lfs.oregonstate.edu/lfs/news.html> How did it go? Is there a thread on the subject? Does anyone know of a college level course which uses this as part of its lab.? Ken Jones Fitchburg, MA

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Signed e-mails and Kmail
by Andy Stewart 18 Apr '04

18 Apr '04

Hi all, I'm playing around with digital signatures in e-mail, and I have that working on Kmail (KDE) wnen I send the e-mail. However, when I receive a signed e-mail, Kmail isn't able to automatically check the validity of the signature (unless I sent it). Within Kmail, I click on Settings->Configure Kmail->Security and point to libgpgme.so in the Crypto Plugins tab. I select that plugin and activate it. I then click the "configure" button and try to start the certificate manager. >From the KGpgCertManager, I get an error indicating that the symbol "initialize" was not found in libkdenetwork.so.2. I'm running SuSE 9.0 Pro, Kmail 1.5.4, and KDE 3.1.4. I've scoured the net to no avail. Does anybody have this working in Kmail? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

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