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Installing Gentoo
by Carlton C. Stedman II 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

>I have heard way to much about Gentoo to not try it out, but have also heard the install is not so easy. Well, the install is not easy relative to, say, SuSE or Redhat. Its not all automatic and requires you to actually do some work on the command line (setting up the mirrors for portage, optionally configuring the make.conf file to optimize compilation, partioning via good 'ol fdisk, mkfs-ing filesystems, chroot'ing and such) but a printable Quick Install Guide (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-quickinstall.xml) really takes out the difficulty. I, at least, had no problem setting it up, a couple of times. The only real issue with Gentoo is that if you do go for the compile-everything-mode it takes a good full day to get up and running, and compiling in X and KDE or GNOME is best left for a second day of work (or just let it run overnight). You *can* use prebuilt binary packages, but then why bother using Gentoo? Additionally, all the preinstall stuff can be done with the Gentoo Live CD or something like Knoppix (which I would have used, but needed 2.6 kernel support, and at the time couldn't get Knoppix to boot a 2.6 kernel, whereas the Gentoo Live CD did have it). > Someone has mentioned it before, but how about an install fest so others can get hands on with different distro installs? An installfest would be a great idea. Could hand out live CD's to linux-hopefuls and install in people's computers. I'd be up for trying to get some people running Gentoo and other distros. -- Carlton C. Stedman II, sageman(a)wpi.edu "To iterate is human, to recurse, divine." -- L. Peter Deutch

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In Search for Unix / Linux Career
by John Kim Ndungu 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

Folks, I need some help here. I am a Linux / Unix newbie and I am wondering how I can painlessly (although I realize that i must put in a lot of hard work) get a carrer in the Unix / Linux world. I am a CCNA, MCSE, CCSA, N+ and A+ and I am comfortable in the networking field. I am comfortable with the Cisco IOS, Checkpoint as well as the microsoft shit. But after realizing that Microsoft is not my very friendly area, I am leaning towards going into the Linux / Unix world. Where should I start? I dont want to spend time going to school and I am confortable with self study. What certifications would you recommend and what books do I need? Thanks, John

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Re: [WLUG] Another vote for a future meeting topic
by Phil H 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

Well, you probably couldn't do a Stage 1 install. Seems like you'd have to do like a Stage 3 and use --pkgonly for things like KDE/Gnome/Xorg. That's probably obvious, but thought I'd point it out. And by using --pkgonly, you lose any speed benefits that you could have gained by compiling . . . so it's kind of a catch-22. I guess it depends on the CPU and RAM of the machine, but a Stage 1 install (w/ XF86/KDE) took 4-5 days on my machine. Philip Solo mis dos centavos . . . > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:02:37 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: [Wlug] another vote for a future meeting topic > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <20040830170237.87484.qmail(a)web51310.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I have heard way to much about Gentoo to not try it > out, but have also heard the install is not so easy. > > Someone has mentioned it before, but how about an > install fest so others can get hands on with different > distro installs? > > just one man's opinion.... > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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[Fwd: Cron <root@smoke> root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons]
by Karl Hiramoto 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

I'm getting an error message e-mailed to me by cron.. Any idea how to fix this? /var/cron.log looks OK. 30-Aug-04 15:00 USER root pid 24063 cmd root rm -f /var/spool/cron/lastrun/cron.hourly 30-Aug-04 15:00 USER root pid 24064 cmd root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Cron root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:40:00 -0400 (EDT) From: root(a)smoke.zoop.org (Cron Daemon) To: root(a)smoke.zoop.org /bin/bash: line 1: root: command not found -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø printk(KERN_DEBUG "%s: BUG... transmitter died. Kicking it.\n",...) linux-2.6.6/drivers/net/acenic.c

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[Fwd: Cron <root@smoke> root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons]
by Karl Hiramoto 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

same error message, with full headers. Only extra info is the X-Cron-Env variables. and i'm running vixie-cron. -------- Original Message -------- Return-Path: <root(a)smoke.zoop.org> X-Original-To: root Delivered-To: karl(a)smoke.zoop.org Received: by smoke.zoop.org (Postfix) id 361DA10241E2; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: root(a)smoke.zoop.org Received: by smoke.zoop.org (Postfix, from userid 0) id 131E3102401A; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:40:00 -0400 (EDT) From: root(a)smoke.zoop.org (Cron Daemon) To: root(a)smoke.zoop.org Subject: Cron <root@smoke> root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/bash> X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin> X-Cron-Env: <MAILTO=root> X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/> X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=root> Message-Id: <20040831004000.131E3102401A(a)smoke.zoop.org> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:40:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on smoke.zoop.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 /bin/bash: line 1: root: command not found -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø printk(KERN_DEBUG "%s: BUG... transmitter died. Kicking it.\n",...) linux-2.6.6/drivers/net/acenic.c

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another vote for a future meeting topic
by Mike Leo 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

I have heard way to much about Gentoo to not try it out, but have also heard the install is not so easy. Someone has mentioned it before, but how about an install fest so others can get hands on with different distro installs? just one man's opinion.... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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File Descriptors
by Gary Hanley 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

Hello All, Can anyone point me to a good primer on the top of UNIX file descriptors? We had an issue with them recently at work on a SunOS 5.8 host and we upped the limit from 1024 to 4096 via the /etc/system file. There was some debate as to whether or not it was a good idea. My Google searches implied it *might* not be a good idea in some circumstances but I found no obvious conclusions. I know what they are - I just want to understand the pros and cons of changing the default limit...and why there are limits in the first place. Thank you for any help! -- Gary

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computer for sale
by Karl Hiramoto 29 Aug '04

29 Aug '04

I could bring this to the next meeting if anyone is interested. Asking $150 or best offer. Dual boot machine with windows 2000 and Gentoo 2004.2 Dual Processor Pentium Pro 200mhz 17" Viewsonic Monitor with builtin mic and speakers DVD/CDROM dvd mpeg dxr2 decoder PCI card. 256M RAM (EDO 72pin) 20G hard disk (gentoo linux) 6G disk (fat 32) 6G disk (NTFS Windows 2000) 10/100 network card RTL-8139 Promise UDMA 33 PCI card ATI all in wonder (3D rage pro) TV tuner works in windows. Visioneer Paperport Flat bed Scanner with Parallel port cable interface ISA Creative labs AWE 32 gold sound card with RCA outputs. 2 USB ports floppy keyboard mouse -- -- Karl Hiramoto karl at hiramoto dot org http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Mobile: 508.517.4819 Work: 978-425-2090

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Re: Meeting Topic
by Carlton C. Stedman II 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

Well, I'm just a *lowly student*, but a linux and FOSS enthusiast. I've used (in the following order) Debian, SuSE 7.1, Redhat 8/9, Slackware 9, Gentoo. Gentoo's pretty much stuck and I really like it. As far as 'deploying linux', I'm afraid my extent of that is moving my family members over to linux (work in progress) and friends here at WPI. CCS -- Carlton C. Stedman II, sageman(a)wpi.edu "To iterate is human, to recurse, divine." -- L. Peter Deutch

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Meeting topic
by Mike Leo 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

Thanks to all for letting me attend my first LUG! Dave Walsh from Redhat was a great speaker. I was just thinking about a topic for a future meeting. It was nice to meet all of you, but didn't get to discuss what distro/windows manager you all use, who you work for and how your company is productionalizing linux. We have linux deployed now and I am curious to know how ya'll have done it as noone else I know is using it.....yet! So my suggestion is a 5 minute intro for those who want to talk about who you are and how your company is using and support linux. just a thought. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush

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USB webcam
by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org 25 Aug '04

25 Aug '04

I would like to have a working USB webcam for my linux box (Fedora core 1), but I do not know which application support USB devices. Does anyone know? Has anyone tried? Sonny

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REMINDER: Upcoming meeting Thursday
by Andy Stewart 24 Aug '04

24 Aug '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everybody, This is a reminder to you all regarding the upcoming WLUG meeting this coming Thursday, August 26th, at 7:00 PM in the usual place. At this meeting, we'll have Dan Walsh from Red Hat speaking to us about SELinux. More details are on the WLUG website. After the meeting, we'll go out somewhere for some food and perhaps a couple of beers. The Boynton has been pretty full the last couple of times we tried to go there. I'm open to suggestions. See ya there, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBKyrKHl0iXDssISsRAnBXAJ9fUE0PRDg80eAkWK9RrjwVlMVgrgCdGNzv wghO5KN01fbsXx3ZJ8Dm35I= =tkGa -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Car for sale
by Sonny Nguyen 24 Aug '04

24 Aug '04

Bob, Perhaps it is one of those special cases like that of www.mini-itx.com where it looks like a car, but really is just a linux computer. Due to the size, this must not be too hard to customize. Where can you put it..I wonder...home office, living room...o...the garage. ha ha Sonny

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fedora core 1 or 2 with lirc remote control program
by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org 23 Aug '04

23 Aug '04

Fyi... Found my solution. Fedora core 1 and lirc only works with v7.0pre4 and lower. In pre5, 6, 7, something is broken to cause ati remote wonder to stop responding. Sonny

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Car for sale
by Karl Hiramoto 23 Aug '04

23 Aug '04

2000 Toyota Celica GT 5 speed manual transmission. under 85,000 Miles, good condition, records of all normal maintenance done. Air Conditioning, Sun/Moon roof, power doors, power locks, 4 wheel anti-lock brakes. CD/Tape/MP3/radio player installed. Lojack anti-theft. Picture At: http://karl.hiramoto.org/photo-album/2004/sale/2000celica4sale-crop.jpg Book retail value is $11K I'm asking $9900 Or Best Offer.. I'm moving. MUST SELL, and I need a car until around September 27th, but I am flexible on delivery. -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Truth has no special time of its own. Its hour is now -- always. -- Albert Schweitzer

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Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MCE?
by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

Interesting....I see now.....that they do have alot of what I am look for. thanks guys. Sonny

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RE: [Wlug] Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MC E?
by Martin, Eric 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

If I'm not mistaken it does both -----Original Message----- From: sonnyvn(a)linus.mitre.org [mailto:sonnyvn@linus.mitre.org] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:55 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MCE? Brian, If I am not mistaken...MythTV is aimed to be a Tivo alternative (with little work on the section I have mentioned). I am talking about (a) one server that house data or (b) peer to peer network...every machine on that lan can view each others streaming video (dvd, vcd, and such), audio (mp3 or ogg), and photo (*.jpg etc). what will spawn from this is.... 1) remote control testing on linux 2) tv converters (both software and hardware) 3) customized itx or atx system configuration (www.mini-itx.com) 4) additions... i) voicemail/fax system ii) games system iii) video survilence system iv) and the list will go on... Sonny _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MCE?
by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

Brian, If I am not mistaken...MythTV is aimed to be a Tivo alternative (with little work on the section I have mentioned). I am talking about (a) one server that house data or (b) peer to peer network...every machine on that lan can view each others streaming video (dvd, vcd, and such), audio (mp3 or ogg), and photo (*.jpg etc). what will spawn from this is.... 1) remote control testing on linux 2) tv converters (both software and hardware) 3) customized itx or atx system configuration (www.mini-itx.com) 4) additions... i) voicemail/fax system ii) games system iii) video survilence system iv) and the list will go on... Sonny

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Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MCE?
by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

I am assuming that everyone has heard of Windows XP "Media Center Edition". Although this is a great idea, it comes with a price. I am proposing using all open-source applications and OS to build the same functions (video, audio, and photo). Think about it....an open-source solution that will provide support the new movement...linux on the desktop. Please reply if you are interested. =) Sonny Nguyen

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Seeking SuSE 9.1 personal edition
by Andy Stewart 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI all, Does anybody have a copy of SuSE 9.1 *personal* edition? Can you bring it to the next WLUG meeting (no, I'm not roping you into a presentation...)? Please let me know. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBJAJ4Hl0iXDssISsRAoS8AJ9+mR2XvXk/u3NQiqGjgvJ3G2kTEwCfQx0T 2/S0fV2C4zSVC7fFgxf4wq0= =pmTL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question
by JONATHAN BEALL 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

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RE: [Wlug] Seeking SuSE 9.1 personal edition
by Hemstreet, Jeffrey L (Jeffrey) 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

Also, if you install the personal edition, and you point to the Suse ftp site for updates, it will allow you to install the packages from the pro version. (At least the number of available packages suddenly increase about 4x) A friend of mine showed me this one, but I have not tried it myself. Just wanted to pass it on. jeff -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Andy Stewart Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:29 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group Subject: [Wlug] Seeking SuSE 9.1 personal edition -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI all, Does anybody have a copy of SuSE 9.1 *personal* edition? Can you bring it to the next WLUG meeting (no, I'm not roping you into a presentation...)? Please let me know. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBJAJ4Hl0iXDssISsRAoS8AJ9+mR2XvXk/u3NQiqGjgvJ3G2kTEwCfQx0T 2/S0fV2C4zSVC7fFgxf4wq0= =pmTL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Installfest/bakeoff
by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

Brian, The only way this would work well is if everyone has the same hardware, install using the same method (cd, nfs, etc), and has a set test procedures to perform. Sonny

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Re: Re: Another distro Question
by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

I know that I have read somewhere that Fedora or Redhat is not a good distribution for beginners. That could have been true in the past.....but Fedora core 1, 2 and even 3test1 along with Redhat V3 WS have evolved a lot lately. I have gotten a lot going on my boxes with little initial knowledge and a lot of documentations. Therefore, I would recommend using a Redhat based OS. It will make it easier to transition to other Redhat-based Linux like Mandrake, Asianux and such. Thus giving you more play room and easier growth. Sonny Nguyen

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RE: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question [offtopic]
by Martin, Eric 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

That would also really come in handy with a lab of identical computers....Have them all run distcc, one would be the master; build the binary package and the rest would grab it... Eric -----Original Message----- From: Mike Frysinger [mailto:vapier@gentoo.org] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:38 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question [offtopic] On Thursday 19 August 2004 09:26 am, gboyce(a)badbelly.com wrote: > Has anyone tried installing Gentoo using pre-built packages? I know > it's supposed to be possible, but I've never tried it. I'm not sure > how usable it really is. GRP works nicely to get you up and running (ive used it once or twice), but after that the binary package support works pretty nicely ... for example, i have 4 little identical arm machines, and they all share a package directory over NFS ... when one builds a package, the others can update using the binary package that was created ... build once, emerge four times there is also a binary package host feature which i use with my slow routers ... on a central server i run a chroot that mirrors the routers ... i keep that system up-to-date and constantly build binary packages ... then on my routers, i point portage to the ftp server which has all the binary packages and they use that to update -mike _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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