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Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11
by Arturo 15 Oct '04

15 Oct '04

Cool, If there are any left I would love g-mail account as well! Arturo On 10/14/04 10:43 AM, "wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org" <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: gmail invites (Brett Russ) > 2. Re: gmail invites (JONATHAN BEALL) > 3. RE: gmail invites (Don Peterson) > 4. Re: gmail invites (Casey Rankin) > 5. Re: gmail invites (Casey Rankin) > 6. RE: NFS question (Don Peterson) > 7. mountng a pen drive (usb) (Walt Sawyer) > 8. RE: NFS question (Jeff Moyer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:46:08 -0400 > From: Brett Russ <icycle(a)charter.net> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <416E6700.5080302(a)charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Micheal Bonner wrote: > >> I will Take one if you are handing them out please ... I would love to >> have one .. thanks. just Email what I need to do personal .. if not .. >> then thank you anyway > > Sent! > BR > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:48:54 -0400 > From: "JONATHAN BEALL" <joncbeall(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <BAY2-F41nrrXj7gC2DW00009215(a)hotmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://paramount.ind.wpi.edu/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20041014/8e909c59/a… > chment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:13:18 -0400 > From: "Don Peterson" <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> > Subject: RE: [Wlug] gmail invites > To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <C410352A9903E540B8FBE58DAEDDC0916F162D(a)shomail2k.sterilite.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I would love one too if you guys have any left. > Thanx in advance... > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Brett Russ > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:49 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > > Minkov, Ross wrote: > >> I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? >> >> >> > Sent! > BR > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:20:43 -0400 > From: Casey Rankin <caseyrankin(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <cd5bf44b041014062073122d74(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > sent. > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:48:54 -0400, JONATHAN BEALL > <joncbeall(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> if anyone has an extra it would be greatly appreciated, hotmail is killing >> me lately. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Jonathan Beall >> >> >>> From: Micheal Bonner <BiggDaddyCool(a)peoplepc.com> >>> Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites >>> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:03:03 -0400 >> >> >>> >>> Minkov, Ross wrote: >>> >>>> I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Ross >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Chuck Haines >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:28 PM >>>> To: Worcester Linux Users Group >>>> Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites >>>> >>>> >>>> Yea, I got 8 of them. >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:42:12 -0400, Mike Frysinger >>>> <vapier(a)gentoo.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Wednesday 15 September 2004 06:35 pm, Brett Russ wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I have some to distribute. FCFS, serious inquiries only :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> yeah, i got 6 spare ones too >>>>> -mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I will Take one if you are handing them out please ... I would love >>>> to have one .. thanks. just Email what I need to do personal .. if >>>> not .. then thank you anyway >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:21:27 -0400 > From: Casey Rankin <caseyrankin(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <cd5bf44b041014062112a4e152(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > sent. > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:13:18 -0400, Don Peterson > <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> wrote: >> I would love one too if you guys have any left. >> Thanx in advance... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On >> Behalf Of Brett Russ >> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:49 PM >> To: Worcester Linux Users Group >> Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites >> >> Minkov, Ross wrote: >> >>> I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? >>> >>> >>> >> Sent! >> BR >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:24:49 -0400 > From: "Don Peterson" <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> > Subject: RE: [Wlug] NFS question > To: <jmoyer(a)redhat.com>, "Worcester Linux Users Group" > <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <C410352A9903E540B8FBE58DAEDDC0916F165D(a)shomail2k.sterilite.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Jeff, > Thanx for the continued feedback and suggestions, RHCM sounds cool > but, I've read through some of the bug tracks on it and it sounds like > there are some bad corruption problems when using it. It also sounds > like there can be a considerable lag in the time it takes for the shares > to come up on the secondary server. Are there many people using this in > a production environment? > Thanx, > Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Jeff Moyer > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:48 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: RE: [Wlug] NFS question > > ==> Regarding RE: [Wlug] NFS question; "John Stoffel" > <stoffel(a)lucent.com> adds: > > Don> Thanx for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use the Red Hat > Don> GFS, it requires v3.0 and we cannot upgrade to that yet. > > stoffel> Since it's open source, can't you get it from > stoffel> http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ and see if it will > stoffel> install on your systems? > > Sounds like he wants a supported solution. > > Don> I have been pushing for it, but Oracle won't give me an definite > Don> answer as to whether their apps are certified for RH 3.0. > > stoffel> That's silly, but very understandable. From looking at your > stoffel> corp website, I can see why you're interested in only deploying > > stoffel> supportable systems, esp in such a production environment. > > Don> We could go with Veritas' Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC, but > Don> that would require considerable change, and no one here knows the > software. > Don> For the time being I'll probably have to go with a NAS device and > Don> make it as redundant as possible. > > stoffel> I know Veritas. :] And I'm looking for a job. :] Well, I know > > stoffel> VxVM/VxFS quite well and I've been exposed to their Clustering > stoffel> software as well. Good stuff all around. > > stoffel> But that doesn't solve the question here, which is how to get a > > stoffel> good reliable NFS file storage (would the storage be on the > stoffel> SAN, or local to the server) for a good price. > > stoffel> Here's a thought, but a pair of cheap 2U servers and install > stoffel> RHEL 3.0 along with the GFS filesystem and clustering software. > > stoffel> Export via NFS to the other servers. If one node goes down, > stoffel> you've got a backup and failover. And it would give you > stoffel> exposure/experience with RHEL 3.0, GFS and clustering so you > stoffel> would be working to migrate the Oracle instances to the same > stoffel> type of setup down the road. > > If you only need to server NFS, then you can do this without GFS. You > can use GFS, and it will mean that clients can mount from either server, > but it sounds like overkill for this case. You simply want failover of > NFS filesystems, and that can be accomplished quite easily with AS 2.1 > and RHCM. In fact, you can probably work this into your existing > environment without buying any more hardware (and I think without > purchasing new software licenses, too). > > -Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:55:05 -0400 > From: Walt Sawyer <wsawyer(a)norfolk-county.com> > Subject: [Wlug] mountng a pen drive (usb) > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <1097762105.2591.9.camel(a)localhost.localdomain> > Content-Type: text/plain > > How do I get my SanDisk cruzer mini 256 mb pen drive to mount on my > Fedora Core 2 laptop? > Thanks in advance > Walt > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:09:56 -0400 > From: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> > Subject: RE: [Wlug] NFS question > To: "Don Peterson" <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> > Cc: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <16750.34996.638953.41770(a)segfault.boston.redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > ==> Regarding RE: [Wlug] NFS question; "Don Peterson" > <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> adds: > > dpeterson> Jeff, Thanx for the continued feedback and suggestions, RHCM > dpeterson> sounds cool but, I've read through some of the bug tracks on it > dpeterson> and it sounds like there are some bad corruption problems when > dpeterson> using it. It also sounds like there can be a considerable lag > dpeterson> in the time it takes for the shares to come up on the secondary > dpeterson> server. Are there many people using this in a production > dpeterson> environment? > > Are you certain you are looking at the right product? In bugzilla, query > Product: Red Hat Enterprise Linux > Version: 2.1AS > Component: clumanager > > There are no open bugs. You are probably looking at the clustering > infrastructure related to GFS, which is a very new offerring for Red Hat. > > There are at least hundreds of deployments of AS2.1 and clumanager. As for > the lag, it is, of course, configurable (at least it was last I worked on > it, several years ago). There are a couple of components to this, of > course. First, how long does it take to detect a failure, and second, how > long does it take for application/filesystem recovery. Using a journaled > filesystem, you will see fairly quick recovery times on that end. To > simply failover NFS, you won't be looking at too much overhead. > > The one hardware component you may need to buy would be a fencing device. > > Hope this helps. > > -Jeff > > dpeterson> -----Original Message----- > From> wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > dpeterson> Behalf Of Jeff Moyer > Sent> Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:48 PM > To> Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject> RE: [Wlug] NFS question > > ==> Regarding RE: [Wlug] NFS question; "John Stoffel" >>> stoffel(a)lucent.com> adds: > > Don> Thanx for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use the Red Hat GFS, > Don> it requires v3.0 and we cannot upgrade to that yet. > > stoffel> Since it's open source, can't you get it from > stoffel> http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ and see if it will install > stoffel> on your systems? > > dpeterson> Sounds like he wants a supported solution. > > Don> I have been pushing for it, but Oracle won't give me an definite > Don> answer as to whether their apps are certified for RH 3.0. > > stoffel> That's silly, but very understandable. From looking at your corp > stoffel> website, I can see why you're interested in only deploying > > stoffel> supportable systems, esp in such a production environment. > > Don> We could go with Veritas' Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC, but that > Don> would require considerable change, and no one here knows the > dpeterson> software. > Don> For the time being I'll probably have to go with a NAS device and make > Don> it as redundant as possible. > > stoffel> I know Veritas. :] And I'm looking for a job. :] Well, I know > > stoffel> VxVM/VxFS quite well and I've been exposed to their Clustering > stoffel> software as well. Good stuff all around. > > stoffel> But that doesn't solve the question here, which is how to get a > > stoffel> good reliable NFS file storage (would the storage be on the SAN, > stoffel> or local to the server) for a good price. > > stoffel> Here's a thought, but a pair of cheap 2U servers and install RHEL > stoffel> 3.0 along with the GFS filesystem and clustering software. > > stoffel> Export via NFS to the other servers. If one node goes down, > stoffel> you've got a backup and failover. And it would give you > stoffel> exposure/experience with RHEL 3.0, GFS and clustering so you would > stoffel> be working to migrate the Oracle instances to the same type of > stoffel> setup down the road. > > dpeterson> If you only need to server NFS, then you can do this without > dpeterson> GFS. You can use GFS, and it will mean that clients can mount > dpeterson> from either server, but it sounds like overkill for this case. > dpeterson> You simply want failover of NFS filesystems, and that can be > dpeterson> accomplished quite easily with AS 2.1 and RHCM. In fact, you > dpeterson> can probably work this into your existing environment without > dpeterson> buying any more hardware (and I think without purchasing new > dpeterson> software licenses, too). > > dpeterson> -Jeff _______________________________________________ Wlug > dpeterson> mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http> //mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11 > ************************************ >

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Knoppix install question
by Patrick Sawyer 14 Oct '04

14 Oct '04

Howdy, Thanks to everyone who helped with the linux install at the Worcester Computer Co Op. We got alot done. Im working on the "problem children" right now. what was the process for running the install script in knoppix? p

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RE: [Wlug] gmail invites
by Don Peterson 14 Oct '04

14 Oct '04

I would love one too if you guys have any left. Thanx in advance... -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Brett Russ Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:49 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites Minkov, Ross wrote: >I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? > > > Sent! BR _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] gmail invites
by JONATHAN BEALL 14 Oct '04

14 Oct '04

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RE: [Wlug] gmail invites
by Minkov, Ross 14 Oct '04

14 Oct '04

I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? Thanks, Ross -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Haines Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:28 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites Yea, I got 8 of them. Chuck On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:42:12 -0400, Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > On Wednesday 15 September 2004 06:35 pm, Brett Russ wrote: > > I have some to distribute. FCFS, serious inquiries only :-) > > yeah, i got 6 spare ones too > -mike > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] NFS question
by Don Peterson 13 Oct '04

13 Oct '04

Thanx for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use the Red Hat GFS, it requires v3.0 and we cannot upgrade to that yet. I have been pushing for it, but Oracle won't give me an definite answer as to whether their apps are certified for RH 3.0. We could go with Veritas' Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC, but that would require considerable change, and no one here knows the software. For the time being I'll probably have to go with a NAS device and make it as redundant as possible. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of John Stoffel Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 9:28 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] NFS question Don> I have an Oracle 9i RAC set up consisting of 3 database servers, Don> two apps servers and an EMC Clarion CX700 SAN. The servers are all Don> running Red Hat 2.1, the db servers are at kernel .34 and the apps Don> servers are at .49. I have 5 nfs mount points shared out by the Don> first database server. This is the problem, the fact that you're using NFS in a clustered environment. Have you looked into using a Cluster Filesystem for your needs? Some options would be: http://www.redhat.com/software/rha/gfs/ It even mentions Oracle 9i in the blurb. Don> One mount point is for logs from the database servers (only they Don> connect to it), Why do they all need to log to one filesystem? Can't they log locally and if you want to aggregate the logs, you could rsync them hourly from the servers to a central log host. Don> and the others are for miscellaneous files and storage. We have Don> been doing failover testing, shutting down a database server and Don> seeing if the other two keep processing requests. We have a Don> problem when we shut down the first database server, the one Don> sharing the nfs volumes. The other two servers just hang trying to Don> connect to the shares. I have tried every option in my fstab file Don> to make the servers stop trying to reach the nfs shares if the Don> server is not available, but nothing has worked. Here is one of Don> the lines from the fstab file where I mount a share: Yeah, what you're trying to do isn't going to work without either: 1. moving to a Cluster Filesystem so that all hosts and read/write to the same filesystem on the Clarrion SAN concurrently. 2. moving to a Cluster setup where you have TWO servers in a cluster, and the cluster provides the NFS file service to other servers. 3. Getting a NAS box which provides NFS service to the DB servers and which has the require reliability you need. I personally like NetApps, but they can be pricey. But even with a single head, they're reliable and run well. I had one box with an uptime of almost 500 days. Oh yeah, UPS and Generator backup helps as well. *grin* You could get away with using another cheaper NAS, but since you spent the money on the SAN, why not just use that and GFS to provide the storage you need. Esp if most of the filesystems you provide are read (mostly) then you shouldn't have many problems. John John Stoffel - Senior Unix Systems Administrator - Lucent Technologies stoffel(a)lucent.com - http://www.lucent.com - 978-952-7548 _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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NFS question
by Don Peterson 13 Oct '04

13 Oct '04

Hello All, I've been a slient member for awhile, now I have a question/problem I hope someone can answer. I have an Oracle 9i RAC set up consisting of 3 database servers, two apps servers and an EMC Clarion CX700 SAN. The servers are all running Red Hat 2.1, the db servers are at kernel .34 and the apps servers are at .49. I have 5 nfs mount points shared out by the first database server. One mount point is for logs from the database servers (only they connect to it), and the others are for miscellaneous files and storage. We have been doing failover testing, shutting down a database server and seeing if the other two keep processing requests. We have a problem when we shut down the first database server, the one sharing the nfs volumes. The other two servers just hang trying to connect to the shares. I have tried every option in my fstab file to make the servers stop trying to reach the nfs shares if the server is not available, but nothing has worked. Here is one of the lines from the fstab file where I mount a share: shoprod1:/applcsf /applcsf nfs soft,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,retrans=6,timeo=14,intr Can you see anything wrong with this line, or can anyone suggest something else to try. I can't even forceably unmount the shares with an umount -f. And if we try to kill any processes accessing the shares the kill command just hangs (even with a kill -9). Any suggestions? Thanx, Don Peterson Network/Telecomm Mgr. Sterilite Corporation

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Reminder: WLUG meeting Tonight (Wed Oct 13)
by Andy Stewart 13 Oct '04

13 Oct '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, We'll be having a WLUG meeting tonight (Wed Oct 13) at 7:00 PM in the usual place. There isn't a single topic on the agenda, but here's what I'll cover to at least get a discussion started: 1) Update on the install fest with Worcester Computer Co-op, which was held this past Saturday 2) Update on the Linux adult education class I'm teaching 3) GNU FDL license and Debian's critique thereof (this could almost be a meeting by itself - maybe it should be???) 4) Upcoming meetings and guest speaker announcement 5) Any/all topics of interest brought up by other meeting attendees See ya tonight, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBbK81Hl0iXDssISsRAsY8AJ4wmo8AuS43XWgO4bPYLwR7Xb/BDwCaAn3D HDTqh9qAp7Rxx5o/EQ8wmSI= =mQlq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: [Wlug] NFS question
by Don Peterson 12 Oct '04

12 Oct '04

I'm not sync'ing data, all three servers are writing logs to the share constantly (the applcsf share). We didn't buy Veritas volume manager, and we are not running Red Hat 3.0 yet, so I had to go with NFS for a shared file system. Believe me, I wish I didn't have to use NFS. I am looking into buying a NAS device to store the shares on, that way any of the servers can go down and the others won't be affected. But the NAS will still be a single point of failure. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Charles R. Anderson Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:22 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] NFS question On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 11:15:11AM -0400, Don Peterson wrote: > I mount a share: > shoprod1:/applcsf /applcsf nfs > soft,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,retrans=6,timeo=14,intr > Can you see anything wrong with this line, or can anyone suggest > something else to try. I can't even forceably unmount the shares with > an umount -f. > And if we try to kill any processes accessing the shares the kill > command just hangs (even with a kill -9). > Any suggestions? I don't think there is any good solution. Using the "soft" and "intr" mount options is an extremely bad idea. Do it only if you don't care about losing/corrupting your data. Important data should always be mounted "hard,nointr". Personally, I avoid NFS like the plague. I only use it for readonly mounts (where soft,intr is less of a problem). Instead, I've standardized on rsync over ssh with RSA keys to get data between servers that need to be synchronized. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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WLUG meeting to be moved to a new date
by Andy Stewart 09 Oct '04

09 Oct '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, The WLUG meeting scheduled currently for Thursday, October 14 will not take place. I'm trying to move this meeting to a new date, and when I finalize that, I'll inform the membership. My apologize for doing this so close to the meeting date. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBZzbIHl0iXDssISsRAj0qAJ0Ydf/IrQz1qM7Q3NjHLRJU8LJzRgCfTRMj CulceXQ0SjOcxAWLXVmRaLw= =OWk/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Worcester Computer Co-Op
by Patrick Sawyer 09 Oct '04

09 Oct '04

Howdy, This is Patrick from the Worcester Computer Co - Op, as you may or may not know we are holding an install fest on Saturday the 9th, for the purpose of installing Linux on old machines that will be donated to members of the community. This information was sent out by Andy earlier. I can send you more information if anyone needs it. The main purpose of this message is to ask who was planning on attending. You don't need to tell me you can just show up, I just wanted to know. We can use all the help you can give! Patrick Sawyer

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FireFox
by Micheal Bonner 07 Oct '04

07 Oct '04

Hello.. It is Micheal here.. I am useing Mandrake 10.0 and KDE 3.2 I have FireFox pr 1.0 and ThunderBird .8.. How can I make firefox see Link in ThunderBird and Visa Vera .. I guess I am saying " How do I make FireFox the Default Browser ?" Thanks for your help Micheal C.Bonner Newbie to the Second Power

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Internet service for newbies
by Patrick Sawyer 06 Oct '04

06 Oct '04

This is in regards to the install fest that will be happening Saturday at the Worcester Computer Coop. These machines will be given to people with little computer experience / money. All they need for an Internet service is a very simple dial up. Has anyone tried Net zero for Lindows(linspire) and got it running under Linux? If not can someone recommend a good ISP. The cheaper the better. Thanks Patrick

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Searching for meeting topic
by Andy Stewart 06 Oct '04

06 Oct '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, We have a WLUG meeting coming up in about a week, and as usual, I'm searching for a topic at the last minute. I'll certainly give an update to the group on our work with the Worcester Computer Co-op, but that won't take the whole meeting. I can also discuss some issues in which I've been personally involved with regard to which license to use on free documentation that I have written, but again, that won't take the whole meeting. I'd rather have a single complete topic for the meeting, so if anybody has any ideas and (even better!) wants to volunteer, please let me know. Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBY3HaHl0iXDssISsRAoIbAJ9RkISnXCXANxft2unzZic0h96ywQCgggIM 3iZiXdiymfD2WTt6AvszuSc= =lnN0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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SuSE Watcher
by Chuck Noyes 06 Oct '04

06 Oct '04

Hi All, I just installed SuSE Server version 9 (my first SuSE installation) and I'd like to use the "Watcher" to get updates automatically, but I can't figure out what the "autorization" window wants. I know it's looking for a username/password pair, but what username/password?? I don't recall creating one, other than the usual 'root' and various users. Is there a "special" username & password that I should've created? Thanks, Chuck

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Mandrake Newbie
by Micheal Bonner 05 Oct '04

05 Oct '04

Hello All . I am new. I am Micheal 34 m ( newly moved to Mass from Florida ) ... I am on Mandrake 10.0 and have been using Linux for only bout a 1 year now. Thank you for letting me in

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RE: [Wlug] WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester
by Martin, Eric 04 Oct '04

04 Oct '04

I can burn a few...Been meaning to do so anyway -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 1:16 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, I visited the Worcester Computer Co-op on Saturday and had a great talk with Patrick Sawyer. There are approximately 15-20 machines that are in need of some TLC. The machines range from 100 MHz to just over 1 GHz as far as is known. Once the machines are proven to work and Linux is installed and configured, these machines will find homes with needy families in the neighborhood surrounding the St. Bernard's Church in Worcester. The Worcester Computer Co-op has their lab located within the church building. Patrick and I agreed that a hard drive installation of Knoppix would probably be a reasonable thing to do for several reasons, a) its Debian based, b) it has *everything*, c) the live CD feature, d) its pretty easy to install, e) it pretty easily handles non-English languages. My only concern is to insure that the hard drives on these machine are at least 3-4 GB to accommodate a full Knoppix install. As a backup, I would like at least one other distribution handy in case we get an ornery machine or an undersized hard drive. It would need to have some games, KDE or Gnome, and OpenOffice, at a minimum. Clearly, this isn't a good software selection for a 100MHz machine, so that's another reason to have another distro handy. (I don't think there were more than a couple of machines which were this slow). The event will take place from noon - 4 PM. I'll update the WLUG website shortly with directions and such. I'm looking for volunteers who will be able to attend and who wish to burn a few Knoppix V3.6 CDs. Please contact me before your burn anything or we'll likely end up with way too many CDs. The room where this event will be held is a pretty good size. There will be ample opportunity for unnamed WLUG members to trip on power cords and pull them out mid-installation. :-) Many folks have asked when we'd be having our next install fest - well, this is it! Come on over, have some fun, and help some needy families bridge the digital divide. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBYNx/Hl0iXDssISsRAp0+AKCHXakOcwDzxXM437FolnfpcvPcagCdFx0Q WpAOmbvWVfTPxdeqMg9vbT4= =LTru -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel
by Martin, Eric 04 Oct '04

04 Oct '04

Another thing I just thought of is to check the seperation rollers. They are little blue rollers that make sure you only get one sheet at a time. They should have ridges on them (like treads on a tire) they almost look like veins. If it is relatively smooth, there's your problem. They cost about $5 ea on HPs website -----Original Message----- From: J Schonberg [mailto:schonm@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 4:16 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel --- Chuck Homic <chuck(a)vvisions.com> wrote: > Hi, all... > > I inherited a HP Laserjet 1100 from work, recently. (This model's > failure mode is that you have to feed it one page at a time, since if > you put > multiple sheets in the tray, it will grab anywhere from 5 to 20 at > a time.) This is a known problem with a number of the printers in the HP Laserjet series. I currently have A LaserJet 3100 which is a printer/scanner/fax that I love because it's so simple to use. Unfortunately for a number of reasons, it is considered to be a boat anchor -- I.E. there is no linux support and never will be. As for your printer pulling multiple pages, what you need is a little piece of plastic not unlike that of a tab on a file folder. HP used to provide this in a recall that they did. If your printer has not been serviced with this little plastic piece, I don't know where you can get it now. Here's a discussion from 2002 which may be useful : http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/7/6852.html And here's the problem report at HP : http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=bpl06 411 Good luck. Jason. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel
by Martin, Eric 04 Oct '04

04 Oct '04

Once should do the trick. There are pickup rollers / d rollers, get a damp cloth (water) and wipe it down...process takes not even a minute. (The only rollers you have to get are the ones that pickup the paper) Also unplug printer first. I know it doesn't have to be said, but hey... -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Homic [mailto:chuck@vvisions.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:01 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 02:10:20PM -0400, Martin, Eric wrote: > Try wetting the pickup rollers with a moist cloth (it might be a > static issue, we run a strict HP printer shop and that's a quick fix) Umm... how often do I do this, exactly? Sounds more annoying than hand-feeding it. :) -Chuck _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester
by Andy Stewart 04 Oct '04

04 Oct '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, I was recently contacted by Patrick Sawyer, who represents the Worcester Computer Co-op (http://www.worcestercoop.org) He asked me if we would be interested in getting Linux installed on some computers, as well as building up some working computers out of existing parts. I thought this would be a great group event. This event will be on Saturday, October 9th, from noon to 4 PM (http://www.worcestercoop.org/directions.html) This location is 1.6 miles from WPI. Here is a quote from Patrick: ===start quote=== Here at the Worcester Computer Co Op our goal is to make computer technology available to those who cannot afford it. In addition to running a volunteer computer lab and teaching free classes, we take donated computers, install Linux on them, and distribute them to the community. We now have a large amount of computers and our volunteer base (myself included) is not as well versed in linux as we would like to be, or as is needed to complete this project. I am sending this email because we could use some help. Any time you could give would be appreciated. ===end quote=== I'll be visiting with Patrick this coming weekend to get a feel for how many volunteers can be accommodated, what we'll need for CDs, tools, extension cords, etc. Please reply if you are interested in volunteering and available to attend the event. I'll be sending out more details soon. Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBWjdbHl0iXDssISsRApXYAKCFbamjiXAqOYlGQXldbBTJ7fmHtACaA0cR dMnJEmwRb1hAJYGQFolOKbQ= =B6Ua -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Portmapper using incorrect ports - how to prevent?
by Bob George 02 Oct '04

02 Oct '04

After suffering a power outage, I noticed spamassassin wouldn't start. I'd get: # /etc/init.d/spamassassin restart Restarting SpamAssassin Mail Filter Daemon: No spamd found running; none killed. Could not create INET socket: Address already in use IO::Socket::INET: Address already in use After a bit of checking my configuration, and googling for spamassassin problems, I tried: # lsof -i :783 COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME ypserv 1025 root 5u IPv4 2855 TCP *:spamd (LISTEN) Apparently ypserv grabbed the spamassassin tcp port 783 before spamd started. I fixed the problem by re-arranging the startup sequences in /etc/rc5.d and restarting everything: # lsof -i | egrep "(ypserv|spamd)" spamd 10626 spamd 5u IPv4 44885 TCP localhost:spamd (LISTEN) ypserv 10641 root 4u IPv4 45184 UDP *:643 ypserv 10641 root 5u IPv4 45244 TCP *:646 (LISTEN) I'm wondering if there's a better fix? Is there a way to restrict which ports are used by portmapper? Should I simply change portmap and dependent services to start later/last in the init sequence? - Bob

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USB -> Parellel
by Chuck Homic 01 Oct '04

01 Oct '04

Hi, all... I inherited a HP Laserjet 1100 from work, recently. (This model's failure mode is that you have to feed it one page at a time, since if you put multiple sheets in the tray, it will grab anywhere from 5 to 20 at a time.) Anywho, it's a nice sweet printer, especially for the price. I'm using it at work with my WinXP box. However, I'd like to bring it home to use with my laptop. It has a parallel interface, and my slick, modern laptop is lacking this. (And I really don't feel like kicking up my 486 each time I want to print something!) Does anyone have any experience with one of those USB to parallel converter dealies? They seem pretty cheap, but I wonder about driver support and whatnot. The USS720 driver seems to be the only one I can find, I assume that Lucent sells that to anyone making such a device, so it's a matter of finding a list somewhere of devices using that chipset. Any ideas here? Thanks. -Chuck

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RE: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel
by Martin, Eric 01 Oct '04

01 Oct '04

Try wetting the pickup rollers with a moist cloth (it might be a static issue, we run a strict HP printer shop and that's a quick fix) -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Homic [mailto:chuck@vvisions.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:22 PM To: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel Hi, all... I inherited a HP Laserjet 1100 from work, recently. (This model's failure mode is that you have to feed it one page at a time, since if you put multiple sheets in the tray, it will grab anywhere from 5 to 20 at a time.) Anywho, it's a nice sweet printer, especially for the price. I'm using it at work with my WinXP box. However, I'd like to bring it home to use with my laptop. It has a parallel interface, and my slick, modern laptop is lacking this. (And I really don't feel like kicking up my 486 each time I want to print something!) Does anyone have any experience with one of those USB to parallel converter dealies? They seem pretty cheap, but I wonder about driver support and whatnot. The USS720 driver seems to be the only one I can find, I assume that Lucent sells that to anyone making such a device, so it's a matter of finding a list somewhere of devices using that chipset. Any ideas here? Thanks. -Chuck _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection
by Martin, Eric 01 Oct '04

01 Oct '04

Glad to hear :) -----Original Message----- From: Michael Long [mailto:mlong@datalong.com] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 3:26 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: RE: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection Thanks for the tip. All is well now. > Check Keepalive in > /etc/ssh/sshd-config (on your server machine) > try setting it to 0, although that might give you phantom logins if > you have a shaky connection -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Long [mailto:mlong@datalong.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:11 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection > > > Hi All, > > I am using openssh on cygwin along with ssh-tunnel (a pearl script > that uses IO and > IO::Select) to tunnel through a firewall in order to gain access to my > desktop at home. I have noticed that recently the behavior has changed > and my connection is broken after 3 seconds of inactivity. How do I, > a) find out what is causing the connection to be broken and/or b) keep > the connection alive. As long as I am actively feeding commands at the > shell prompt the connection stays alive. > > Tia, > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection
by Martin, Eric 30 Sep '04

30 Sep '04

Check Keepalive in /etc/ssh/sshd-config (on your server machine) try setting it to 0, although that might give you phantom logins if you have a shaky connection -----Original Message----- From: Michael Long [mailto:mlong@datalong.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:11 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection Hi All, I am using openssh on cygwin along with ssh-tunnel (a pearl script that uses IO and IO::Select) to tunnel through a firewall in order to gain access to my desktop at home. I have noticed that recently the behavior has changed and my connection is broken after 3 seconds of inactivity. How do I, a) find out what is causing the connection to be broken and/or b) keep the connection alive. As long as I am actively feeding commands at the shell prompt the connection stays alive. Tia, Mike _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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