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rpm lock-up
by Bill Mills-Curran Oct. 31, 2002

Oct. 31, 2002

HELP! I seem to have done something very bad (SVB) to rpm. And, it seems to be painfully reproducible (I did it to two machines). Short explanation: 1. Do some rpm command (I was using "rpm -e", I think). 2. Ctrl-C out. You won't get the shell prompt back. Now, that user account can no longer do any rpm commands from any session -- it always hangs. You can kill -9 the existing rpm processes, but nothing I've tried helps until reboot. Longer explanation: 1. I wanted to upgrade a couple of packages: perl-GD and perl-Chart. I don't know where I got the old packages :-( , but I made some new ones of my own. 2. Instead of doing "rpm -F", I forgot that the perl modules were installed from an rpm in an older perl library area, and I deleted the module files (rm). (oops) (Is this clear?) 3. When attempting to install the new rpm's, I got error messages, so I tried "rpm -e" on the old package. That failed due to dependencies, so I added "--nodep" to the command. This was taking a long time (hung?), so I ctrl-c'ed out. Now all rpm commands (from the root account) hung. 4. I rebooted this morning. The rpm commands were working ok (at least "rpm -qa" worked), so I tried "rpm -F <packageFileName>" (as root), and it's hung. 5. From another window (also as root), "rpm -qa" hangs again. 6. From a different account, "rpm -qa" works fine. HELP! 1. How do I fix things and get my new packages in? 2. Is the database corrupted? 3. If the database is corrupted, how do I fix it? Thanks, Bill

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microphone
by Wesley Allen Oct. 31, 2002

Oct. 31, 2002

Hi gang, any ideas why my microphone wouldn't be working in linux. It's set as the recording device, but isn't recording. My sound card uses the maestro3 module (ES1988 Allegro-1 card). I'm doing a search, but was wondering if any of you have had this problem. Wes

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jsut a thought
by doug waud Oct. 31, 2002

Oct. 31, 2002

Hi all After the neglegible turnout of "customers" for our most recent installfest there was some discussion aa to whether the day of the installfest is past and we should look for other ways to serve the community. In this context I found this morning's (Oct 31) T&G had an interesting article which may provice a template for what we might now do. In a nutshell they described (pages A1 and A11) the Atlantic Paranormsl Society who for the past 12 years send out teams to help people who are having trouble with "domestic disturbances like eerie noises and signs of spirit possession". Their website, http://the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com/ gets 6000 hits a day from around the world" (they do not say whether setag lib is among them). They do not charge for their "work" and say "the rich and poor both need help" and say "Also how can you charge for something that cannot be proved to exist" (which does not seem to stop Micro$oft!). They have about 25 regular members, consult with a network of similar groups and gather at an eatery (Starbucks, not the Boynton). I suggest that, if you can find today's T&G you read the article since I cannot do justice to it here. For example, I learned about the taxonomy: Hauntings Human Intelligent spirits (they talk) Residuals (leftover energies condemned to repeat one small action from their lives) Poltergeists ("usually the spirits of young girls which make a racket and and can wreak havoc on property values") Inhuman Demons Incubuses Succubi Nature spirits Angles Apparently the human variety are the more "benign" while the others "can be viscious and deceitful", says "Never believe anything you hear from an inhuman haunting". Apparently other groups often get in over their heads and haveto call in his crew to "clean things up". (This is getting long; check out the T&G if you do not wish to miss the full picture.) Now I realixe some of this may sound scary but we would have the advantage that we could send Keith in first to scare the spirits! :-) So, instead of instalfests we could adapt to the times and move into deinstallfests! doug

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RE: [Wlug] RH 7.2 - Installing and configureing openssl, modssl, apache, and php
by Setag Lib Oct. 31, 2002

Oct. 31, 2002

Redhat has RPMS for apache, php, and ssl that all play nice together. Use those unless you have some weird requirement where you absolutly need to build your own. BUT, make sure to download the updated SSL libraries from RedHat! The ones on the CD have a remote exploit in them that you will want to close. If you do NEED to compile your own apache, ssl, etc ... then there is this nifty project called "The apache toolbox" http://www.apachetoolbox.com/ which makes the process much much easier. Since it can be difficult getting all those to work right, I'd suggest trying that. I'd un-install all of the current apache stuff you have before doing that.

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Building RH7.3 server after 7.0 hacked -second request
by Richard Goodman Oct. 31, 2002

Oct. 31, 2002

SECOND REQUEST Additional information This does not appear to be just a problem with server (A). I cannot send mail between any of my three RH7.3 mail servers, but all will send mail locally, and all will send to / receive from the outside world. I am using a RH7.3 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc except for commenting out the DAEMON-OPTIONS line to allow outside mail, and turning off FEATURE(`accept_unresolvable_domains') Is there some change to the sendmail in RH7.3 of which I am unaware that could cause this? I would appreciate any suggestions of where to even look to solve this problem. ------------------------------ As some of you may recall from a mid-week email, two of my RH7.0 servers were badly hacked Tuesday about 5AM, and I lost ssh and think I received a trojan. Friday the hacking got worse - all outgoing mail was rejected as "relaying denied", so I decided to bite the bullet and format the drive and build a new server. This was made more interesting by the fact the RH7.3 wouldn't finish loading packages until I disconnected my second HD which previously held /var, and my web sites (tried 3-4 times) .. "Kernel unable to reread partition table on /tmp/hdc (device or resource busy)", then hung mid-package loading. Late Saturday afternoon I pulled the plug, and started a RH7.3 install. Midmorning I was done, including security patches and had no internet connection .. couldn't even ping from the server. Fortunately, it was just my ISP picking this time to be down for the first time in months. Now I have one remaining problem which over 8 hours of work has clarified, but not solved. For background, I have the just rebuilt RH7.3 server (A), and two other recently built RH7.3 servers (B) and (C) at a different location and each with its own static IP#, all running sendmail for one or several domains From A - incoming mail seems to be fine From A - I can send mail locally to several domain names that are on the A server From A - I can send email (such as this) out into the world Through A - I have several email addresses which are accessed by others from outside and send mail to another outside address in virtusertable or to an alias which is a list of outside addresses, and these are working From A - I cannot send mail to any of the domains at B or C When I try, I get this on the A sendmail log: Oct 27 19:02:56 bach sendmail[3693]: g9S02uO03693: from=<dick(a)goodman1.net>, size=316, class=0, nrcp ts=1, msgid=<p04310101b9e23f71eb3e(a)[192.168.1.9]>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=host9.goodman1.net [192.168.1.9] Oct 27 19:03:02 bach sendmail[3695]: g9S02uO03693: SYSERR(root): 11harvard.com. config error: mail l oops back to me (MX problem?) Oct 27 19:03:02 bach sendmail[3695]: g9S02uO03693: to=<r.goodman(a)11harvard.com>, ctladdr=<dick@goodm an1.net> (503/503), delay=00:00:06, xdelay=00:00:06, mailer=esmtp, pri=30316, relay=11harvard.com. [ 66.92.78.250], dsn=5.3.5, stat=Local configuration error Oct 27 19:03:02 bach sendmail[3695]: g9S02uO03693: g9S032O03695: DSN: Local configuration error Oct 27 19:03:02 bach sendmail[3695]: g9S032O03695: to=<dick(a)goodman1.net>, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00 :00:00, mailer=local, pri=60416, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent Oct 27 19:03:02 bach sendmail[3695]: g9S032O03695: to=root, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer= local, pri=60416, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent and this on the B or C sendmail log: Oct 27 19:03:47 boron sendmail[8627]: NOQUEUE: goodman1.net [207.224.28.49] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/ VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA The part about an MX loop seems similar to what I used to get when I first started using sendmail and would forget to configure /etc/mail/local-host-names, but this file, and access and virtusertable on (A) were backed up before the format and restored - and a make done to regenerate the db files. Here's a sample of the bounce message I get, just to be complete: From MAILER-DAEMON(a)localhost.localdomain Sun Oct 27 19:03:02 2002 Return-Path: <MAILER-DAEMON(a)localhost.localdomain> Received: from localhost (localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9S032O03695; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:03:02 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:03:02 -0500 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON(a)localhost.localdomain> Message-Id: <200210280003.g9S032O03695(a)localhost.localdomain> To: postmaster(a)localhost.localdomain To: <dick(a)goodman1.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="g9S032O03695.1035763382/localhost.localdomain" Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message --g9S032O03695.1035763382/localhost.localdomain The original message was received at Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:02:56 -0500 from host9.goodman1.net [192.168.1.9] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <r.goodman(a)11harvard.com> (reason: 553 5.3.5 system config error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 553 5.3.5 11harvard.com. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?) 554 5.3.5 Local configuration error --g9S032O03695.1035763382/localhost.localdomain Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; localhost.localdomain Received-From-MTA: DNS; host9.goodman1.net Arrival-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:02:56 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; r.goodman(a)11harvard.com Action: failed Status: 5.3.5 Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 553 5.3.5 system config error Last-Attempt-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:03:02 -0500 --g9S032O03695.1035763382/localhost.localdomain Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: <dick(a)goodman1.net> Received: from [192.168.1.9] (host9.goodman1.net [192.168.1.9]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9S02uO03693 for <r.goodman(a)11harvard.com>; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:02:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dick(a)pop.goodman1.net Message-Id: <p04310101b9e23f71eb3e(a)[192.168.1.9]> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:13:10 -0500 To: r.goodman(a)11harvard.com From: Richard Goodman <dick(a)goodman1.net> Subject: Test #3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" --------------------- Does anyone have any ideas, or requests for more information? I'm not doing too well after about 24 hours [now 3 days], and I'd really like to solve this mystery. Dick

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RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation ofgraphsinredhat6.2
by Sudhaker P Oct. 30, 2002

Oct. 30, 2002

Hi Marc, I'll do that. I'll install Xvfb and follow your instructions and will keep you informed on the results. Thank you for your patience and your help. --Peram >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation >ofgraphsinredhat6.2 >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:04:48 -0500 > >Yup > >I believe it's on the RedHat CD's. > >-Marc > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:49 PM >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation >ofgraphsinredhat6.2 > > >Hi Marc, >Is Xvfb a software that I can download and install? > >-Sudhakar > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of > >graphsinredhat6.2 > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:40:55 -0500 > > > > > >So you're saying that you can use X on the machine, right? If so, I'd > >look > >other places for the problem. > > > >Double check that your DISPLAY is set properly and access is enabled. > >This > >was the exact same error message I used to get when java couldn't connect > >to the xserver. > > > >I find doing something like this: > > > >nohup Xvfb :1 -screen 0 800x600x24 & > >sleep 5 > >export DISPLAY=localhost:1 > >xhost + > >SERVERCOMMAND <- (Whatever you need to do to start the server) > > > >Is best since it uses a virtual x server instead of the real one. This > >works around your problem, but is probably the "correct" way to do it > >anyways. > > > > > >-Marc > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:23 PM > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of > >graphsinredhat6.2 > > > > > >Hi Marc, > >The KDE for the server was not working for it so I fixed it, removing > >all the rpms and re-installing them, I even reinstalled "gd".So I was > >wondering if any other libraries related to X-server were broken too. > >My output for $ps auwx | grep X is as below > >root 14500 0.0 0.0 2220 980 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 /bin/sh > >/usr/X11R6/bin/startx > >root 14507 0.0 0.0 2344 668 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 xinit > >/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc -- > >root 14508 0.7 0.3 18156 7956 ? S< 09:44 1:07 /etc/X11/X > >:0 > > > >I'd appreciate your suggestions and comments in this regard. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > > >of graphs inredhat6.2 > > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:55:29 -0500 > > > > > >What do you mean when you say it seems broken? Are there other > > >symptoms besides the java connection to it? > > > > > >Can you sit down at the machine and use X? If this is a server, you > > >probably don't want that ability (that's where Xvfb comes in). What > > >Xserver are you running? > > > > > >If you "ps aux |grep X" do you see an xserver running? > > > > > >-Marc > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:46 AM > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > > >of graphs inredhat6.2 > > > > > > > > >Hi Marc, > > >Thanks for the reply. > > >I agree with you Marc, it is a servlet(I'm sorry about that) and its > > >on the server. The display settings seems to be proper, but my X- > > >server seems to be broken. I'd appreciate if you can guide me to any > > >kind of information with the help of which I can fix the issue of > > >broken X-windows. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >generation of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:16:11 -0500 > > > > > > > >I'm guessing this is a server (the errors you showed before made it > > > >look more like a servlet than an applet)... So are you running X? > > > >If so, when you start the server do you set your DISPLAY variable > > > >correctly? Does > > >the > > > >server process have access to the Xserver? > > > > > > > >If you're not running an Xserver, you need to. Weird, huh? > > > >Without a running X-Server the JRE can't do most graphical > > > >operations, even if > > >those > > > >operations never render to the display. It's a long standing issue > > > >that > > >a > > > >whole lot of people have complained about. What you can do is run > > > >Xvfb > > >... > > > >It's a non graphical X server. It just gives programs an Xserver > > > >to play with, and never displays the results of those programs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Marc > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:08 AM > > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >generation of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > >With reply to my previous mail I've figured out that Java "awt" is > > > >looking for some parameters in X-windows. I think the X is broken. > > > >I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me with fixing of > > > >X-windows. > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Sudhaker P" <perams27(a)hotmail.com> > > > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > > >generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > > >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:07:13 -0600 > > > > > > > > > >Hi Karl, > > > > >Thanks a lot for the response. > > > > >I'm running it as an applet as in the below mentioned weblogic > > > > >log java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError > > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method) > > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:120) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEn > > > >vi > > > >ronment.java:58) > > > > > at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:189) > > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:315) > > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:262) > > > > > at com.rivenet.graphingaction.Graphit.runGraph2D(Unknown > > >Source) > > > > > at > > > > >com.rivenet.reporting.InformalFundingComparisonGraph.makeGraph(Un > > > > >kn > > > > >ow > > > > >n > > > > >Source) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >jsp_servlet._plan._Model_controller._jspService(_Model_controller.j > > > >av > > > >a:356) > > > > > at weblogic.servlet.jsp.JspBase.service(JspBase.java:27) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStub > > > >Im > > > >pl.java:123) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletC > > > >on > > > >textImpl.java:761) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletC > > > >on > > > >textImpl.java:708) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextManager.invokeServlet(Servl > > > >et > > > >ContextManager.java:252) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.invokeServlet(MuxableSocketHTTP.j > > > >av > > > >a:346) > > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.execute(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:246) > > > > > at > > > > >weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:135) > > > > > > > > > >So I was wondering if "awt" since it needs X to generate graphs > > > > >could be the reason and X might be broken. > > > > > > > > > >In your opinion if x is broken what could the rpms that I need to > > > > >install. I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions. > > > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> > > > > >>Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >>Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > > >>generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > > >>Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>are you running it from the comand line? or an applet? > > > > >> > > > > >>Get any errors on your command line? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>Did you try on the same machine booting 2.4.16 and 2.4.7 to > > > > >>verify that it is the kernel? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Sudhaker P wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > Hi , > > > > >> > I've a program that generates graphs with Java 1.3.1_01. The > > > > >> > same > > > > >>program is > > > > >> > able to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel > > > > >> > 2.4.16 but it > > > > >>fails > > > > >> > to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.7-10 > > > > >> > on which it > > > > >>used > > > > >> > to generate before. I've installed KDE and gd thinking that > > > > >> > something > > > > >>may > > > > >> > broken in the OS on the jpegs generation part. But that > > > > >> > doesn't seem to help. 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RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation ofgraphsinredhat6.2
by Marc Hughes Oct. 30, 2002

Oct. 30, 2002

Yup I believe it's on the RedHat CD's. -Marc -----Original Message----- From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:49 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation ofgraphsinredhat6.2 Hi Marc, Is Xvfb a software that I can download and install? -Sudhakar >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation >of >graphsinredhat6.2 >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:40:55 -0500 > > >So you're saying that you can use X on the machine, right? If so, I'd >look >other places for the problem. > >Double check that your DISPLAY is set properly and access is enabled. >This >was the exact same error message I used to get when java couldn't connect >to the xserver. > >I find doing something like this: > >nohup Xvfb :1 -screen 0 800x600x24 & >sleep 5 >export DISPLAY=localhost:1 >xhost + >SERVERCOMMAND <- (Whatever you need to do to start the server) > >Is best since it uses a virtual x server instead of the real one. This >works around your problem, but is probably the "correct" way to do it >anyways. > > >-Marc > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:23 PM >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation >of >graphsinredhat6.2 > > >Hi Marc, >The KDE for the server was not working for it so I fixed it, removing >all the rpms and re-installing them, I even reinstalled "gd".So I was >wondering if any other libraries related to X-server were broken too. >My output for $ps auwx | grep X is as below >root 14500 0.0 0.0 2220 980 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 /bin/sh >/usr/X11R6/bin/startx >root 14507 0.0 0.0 2344 668 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 xinit >/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc -- >root 14508 0.7 0.3 18156 7956 ? S< 09:44 1:07 /etc/X11/X >:0 > >I'd appreciate your suggestions and comments in this regard. > >Thanks, > >Peram > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of graphs inredhat6.2 > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:55:29 -0500 > > > >What do you mean when you say it seems broken? Are there other > >symptoms besides the java connection to it? > > > >Can you sit down at the machine and use X? If this is a server, you > >probably don't want that ability (that's where Xvfb comes in). What > >Xserver are you running? > > > >If you "ps aux |grep X" do you see an xserver running? > > > >-Marc > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:46 AM > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of graphs inredhat6.2 > > > > > >Hi Marc, > >Thanks for the reply. > >I agree with you Marc, it is a servlet(I'm sorry about that) and its > >on the server. The display settings seems to be proper, but my X- > >server seems to be broken. I'd appreciate if you can guide me to any > >kind of information with the help of which I can fix the issue of > >broken X-windows. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > >generation of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:16:11 -0500 > > > > > >I'm guessing this is a server (the errors you showed before made it > > >look more like a servlet than an applet)... So are you running X? > > >If so, when you start the server do you set your DISPLAY variable > > >correctly? Does > >the > > >server process have access to the Xserver? > > > > > >If you're not running an Xserver, you need to. Weird, huh? > > >Without a running X-Server the JRE can't do most graphical > > >operations, even if > >those > > >operations never render to the display. It's a long standing issue > > >that > >a > > >whole lot of people have complained about. What you can do is run > > >Xvfb > >... > > >It's a non graphical X server. It just gives programs an Xserver > > >to play with, and never displays the results of those programs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Marc > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:08 AM > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > >generation of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > >With reply to my previous mail I've figured out that Java "awt" is > > >looking for some parameters in X-windows. I think the X is broken. > > >I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me with fixing of > > >X-windows. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Sudhaker P" <perams27(a)hotmail.com> > > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:07:13 -0600 > > > > > > > >Hi Karl, > > > >Thanks a lot for the response. > > > >I'm running it as an applet as in the below mentioned weblogic > > > >log java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method) > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:120) > > > > at > > > > > >java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEn > > >vi > > >ronment.java:58) > > > > at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:189) > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:315) > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:262) > > > > at com.rivenet.graphingaction.Graphit.runGraph2D(Unknown > >Source) > > > > at > > > >com.rivenet.reporting.InformalFundingComparisonGraph.makeGraph(Un > > > >kn > > > >ow > > > >n > > > >Source) > > > > at > > > > > >jsp_servlet._plan._Model_controller._jspService(_Model_controller.j > > >av > > >a:356) > > > > at weblogic.servlet.jsp.JspBase.service(JspBase.java:27) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStub > > >Im > > >pl.java:123) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletC > > >on > > >textImpl.java:761) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletC > > >on > > >textImpl.java:708) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextManager.invokeServlet(Servl > > >et > > >ContextManager.java:252) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.invokeServlet(MuxableSocketHTTP.j > > >av > > >a:346) > > > > at > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.execute(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:246) > > > > at > > > >weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:135) > > > > > > > >So I was wondering if "awt" since it needs X to generate graphs > > > >could be the reason and X might be broken. > > > > > > > >In your opinion if x is broken what could the rpms that I need to > > > >install. I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions. > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> > > > >>Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >>Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >>generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > >>Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>are you running it from the comand line? or an applet? > > > >> > > > >>Get any errors on your command line? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>Did you try on the same machine booting 2.4.16 and 2.4.7 to > > > >>verify that it is the kernel? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Sudhaker P wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > Hi , > > > >> > I've a program that generates graphs with Java 1.3.1_01. The > > > >> > same > > > >>program is > > > >> > able to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel > > > >> > 2.4.16 but it > > > >>fails > > > >> > to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.7-10 > > > >> > on which it > > > >>used > > > >> > to generate before. I've installed KDE and gd thinking that > > > >> > something > > > >>may > > > >> > broken in the OS on the jpegs generation part. But that > > > >> > doesn't seem to help. I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can > > > >> > guide me in this issue with your comments and suggestions. > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks, > > > >> > > > > >> > Peram > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > _____________________________________________________________ > > > >> > __ > > > >> > __ > > > >> > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > > > >> > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > Wlug mailing list > > > >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >>-- > > > >> > > > >>¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > > >>Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > > > >>Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > > > >>Cell: 508-517-4819 > > > >>Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > > > >>Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ > > > >>Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > > > >>KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > > > >>AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > > > >>¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > > >> > > > >>Confirmed bachelor: > > > >> A man who goes through life without a hitch. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > > >>Wlug mailing list > > > >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. > > > >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Wlug mailing list > > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. > > >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Wlug mailing list > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Wlug mailing list > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Broadband? 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RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of graphsinredhat6.2
by Sudhaker P Oct. 30, 2002

Oct. 30, 2002

Hi Marc, Is Xvfb a software that I can download and install? -Sudhakar >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of >graphsinredhat6.2 >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:40:55 -0500 > > >So you're saying that you can use X on the machine, right? If so, I'd look >other places for the problem. > >Double check that your DISPLAY is set properly and access is enabled. This >was the exact same error message I used to get when java couldn't connect >to the xserver. > >I find doing something like this: > >nohup Xvfb :1 -screen 0 800x600x24 & >sleep 5 >export DISPLAY=localhost:1 >xhost + >SERVERCOMMAND <- (Whatever you need to do to start the server) > >Is best since it uses a virtual x server instead of the real one. This >works around your problem, but is probably the "correct" way to do it >anyways. > > >-Marc > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:23 PM >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of >graphsinredhat6.2 > > >Hi Marc, >The KDE for the server was not working for it so I fixed it, removing all >the rpms and re-installing them, I even reinstalled "gd".So I was wondering >if any other libraries related to X-server were broken too. >My output for >$ps auwx | grep X is as below >root 14500 0.0 0.0 2220 980 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 /bin/sh >/usr/X11R6/bin/startx >root 14507 0.0 0.0 2344 668 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 xinit >/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc -- >root 14508 0.7 0.3 18156 7956 ? S< 09:44 1:07 /etc/X11/X >:0 > >I'd appreciate your suggestions and comments in this regard. > >Thanks, > >Peram > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of > >graphs inredhat6.2 > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:55:29 -0500 > > > >What do you mean when you say it seems broken? Are there other > >symptoms > >besides the java connection to it? > > > >Can you sit down at the machine and use X? If this is a server, you > >probably don't want that ability (that's where Xvfb comes in). What > >Xserver are you running? > > > >If you "ps aux |grep X" do you see an xserver running? > > > >-Marc > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:46 AM > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of > >graphs inredhat6.2 > > > > > >Hi Marc, > >Thanks for the reply. > >I agree with you Marc, it is a servlet(I'm sorry about that) and its on > >the server. The display settings seems to be proper, but my X- server > >seems to be broken. I'd appreciate if you can guide me to any kind of > >information with the help of which I can fix the issue of broken > >X-windows. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > > >of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:16:11 -0500 > > > > > >I'm guessing this is a server (the errors you showed before made it > > >look more like a servlet than an applet)... So are you running X? If > > >so, when you start the server do you set your DISPLAY variable > > >correctly? Does > >the > > >server process have access to the Xserver? > > > > > >If you're not running an Xserver, you need to. Weird, huh? Without > > >a running X-Server the JRE can't do most graphical operations, even > > >if > >those > > >operations never render to the display. It's a long standing issue > > >that > >a > > >whole lot of people have complained about. What you can do is run > > >Xvfb > >... > > >It's a non graphical X server. It just gives programs an Xserver to > > >play with, and never displays the results of those programs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Marc > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:08 AM > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > > >of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > >With reply to my previous mail I've figured out that Java "awt" is > > >looking for some parameters in X-windows. I think the X is broken. > > >I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me with fixing of > > >X-windows. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Sudhaker P" <perams27(a)hotmail.com> > > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:07:13 -0600 > > > > > > > >Hi Karl, > > > >Thanks a lot for the response. > > > >I'm running it as an applet as in the below mentioned weblogic log > > > >java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method) > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:120) > > > > at > > > > > >java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEnvi > > >ronment.java:58) > > > > at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:189) > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:315) > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:262) > > > > at com.rivenet.graphingaction.Graphit.runGraph2D(Unknown > >Source) > > > > at > > > >com.rivenet.reporting.InformalFundingComparisonGraph.makeGraph(Unkn > > > >ow > > > >n > > > >Source) > > > > at > > > > > >jsp_servlet._plan._Model_controller._jspService(_Model_controller.jav > > >a:356) > > > > at weblogic.servlet.jsp.JspBase.service(JspBase.java:27) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStubIm > > >pl.java:123) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletCon > > >textImpl.java:761) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletCon > > >textImpl.java:708) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextManager.invokeServlet(Servlet > > >ContextManager.java:252) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.invokeServlet(MuxableSocketHTTP.jav > > >a:346) > > > > at > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.execute(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:246) > > > > at > > > >weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:135) > > > > > > > >So I was wondering if "awt" since it needs X to generate graphs > > > >could be the reason and X might be broken. > > > > > > > >In your opinion if x is broken what could the rpms that I need to > > > >install. I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions. > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> > > > >>Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >>Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >>generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > >>Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>are you running it from the comand line? or an applet? > > > >> > > > >>Get any errors on your command line? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>Did you try on the same machine booting 2.4.16 and 2.4.7 to verify > > > >>that it is the kernel? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Sudhaker P wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > Hi , > > > >> > I've a program that generates graphs with Java 1.3.1_01. The > > > >> > same > > > >>program is > > > >> > able to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.16 > > > >> > but it > > > >>fails > > > >> > to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.7-10 on > > > >> > which it > > > >>used > > > >> > to generate before. I've installed KDE and gd thinking that > > > >> > something > > > >>may > > > >> > broken in the OS on the jpegs generation part. But that doesn't > > > >> > seem to help. I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me > > > >> > in this issue with your comments and suggestions. > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks, > > > >> > > > > >> > Peram > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > _______________________________________________________________ > > > >> > __ > > > >> > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > > > >> > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > Wlug mailing list > > > >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >>-- > > > >> > > > >>€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø > > > >>Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > > > >>Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > > > >>Cell: 508-517-4819 > > > >>Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > > > >>Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ > > > >>Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > > > >>KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > > > >>AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > > > >>€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø > > > >> > > > >>Confirmed bachelor: > > > >> A man who goes through life without a hitch. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > > >>Wlug mailing list > > > >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. > > > >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Wlug mailing list > > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. > > >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Wlug mailing list > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Wlug mailing list > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Broadband? 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RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of graphs inredhat6.2
by Sudhaker P Oct. 30, 2002

Oct. 30, 2002

Hi Marc, The KDE for the server was not working for it so I fixed it, removing all the rpms and re-installing them, I even reinstalled "gd".So I was wondering if any other libraries related to X-server were broken too. My output for $ps auwx | grep X is as below root 14500 0.0 0.0 2220 980 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/X11R6/bin/startx root 14507 0.0 0.0 2344 668 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 xinit /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc -- root 14508 0.7 0.3 18156 7956 ? S< 09:44 1:07 /etc/X11/X :0 I'd appreciate your suggestions and comments in this regard. Thanks, Peram >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of >graphs inredhat6.2 >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:55:29 -0500 > >What do you mean when you say it seems broken? Are there other symptoms >besides the java connection to it? > >Can you sit down at the machine and use X? If this is a server, you >probably don't want that ability (that's where Xvfb comes in). What >Xserver are you running? > >If you "ps aux |grep X" do you see an xserver running? > >-Marc > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:46 AM >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of >graphs inredhat6.2 > > >Hi Marc, >Thanks for the reply. >I agree with you Marc, it is a servlet(I'm sorry about that) and its on the >server. The display settings seems to be proper, but my X- server seems to >be broken. >I'd appreciate if you can guide me to any kind of information with the help >of which I can fix the issue of broken X-windows. > >Thanks, > >Peram > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of > >graphs inredhat 6.2 > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:16:11 -0500 > > > >I'm guessing this is a server (the errors you showed before made it > >look > >more like a servlet than an applet)... So are you running X? If so, when > >you start the server do you set your DISPLAY variable correctly? Does >the > >server process have access to the Xserver? > > > >If you're not running an Xserver, you need to. Weird, huh? Without a > >running X-Server the JRE can't do most graphical operations, even if >those > >operations never render to the display. It's a long standing issue that >a > >whole lot of people have complained about. What you can do is run Xvfb >... > >It's a non graphical X server. It just gives programs an Xserver to play > >with, and never displays the results of those programs. > > > > > > > > > >-Marc > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:08 AM > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of > >graphs inredhat 6.2 > > > > > >Hi, > >With reply to my previous mail I've figured out that Java "awt" is > >looking for some parameters in X-windows. I think the X is broken. I'd > >appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me with fixing of X-windows. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Sudhaker P" <perams27(a)hotmail.com> > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > > >of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:07:13 -0600 > > > > > >Hi Karl, > > >Thanks a lot for the response. > > >I'm running it as an applet as in the below mentioned weblogic log > > >java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError > > > at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method) > > > at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:120) > > > at > > > >java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEnvironment.java:58) > > > at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:189) > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:315) > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:262) > > > at com.rivenet.graphingaction.Graphit.runGraph2D(Unknown >Source) > > > at > > >com.rivenet.reporting.InformalFundingComparisonGraph.makeGraph(Unknow > > >n > > >Source) > > > at > > > >jsp_servlet._plan._Model_controller._jspService(_Model_controller.java:356) > > > at weblogic.servlet.jsp.JspBase.service(JspBase.java:27) > > > at > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStubImpl.java:123) > > > at > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletContextImpl.java:761) > > > at > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletContextImpl.java:708) > > > at > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextManager.invokeServlet(ServletContextManager.java:252) > > > at > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.invokeServlet(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:346) > > > at > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.execute(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:246) > > > at weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:135) > > > > > >So I was wondering if "awt" since it needs X to generate graphs could > > >be the reason and X might be broken. > > > > > >In your opinion if x is broken what could the rpms that I need to > > >install. I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> > > >>Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >>Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > >>generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > >>Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) > > >> > > >> > > >>are you running it from the comand line? or an applet? > > >> > > >>Get any errors on your command line? > > >> > > >> > > >>Did you try on the same machine booting 2.4.16 and 2.4.7 to verify > > >>that it is the kernel? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Sudhaker P wrote: > > >> > > >> > Hi , > > >> > I've a program that generates graphs with Java 1.3.1_01. The same > > >>program is > > >> > able to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.16 > > >> > but it > > >>fails > > >> > to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.7-10 on > > >> > which it > > >>used > > >> > to generate before. I've installed KDE and gd thinking that > > >> > something > > >>may > > >> > broken in the OS on the jpegs generation part. But that doesn't > > >> > seem to help. I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me in > > >> > this issue with your comments and suggestions. > > >> > > > >> > Thanks, > > >> > > > >> > Peram > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > > >> > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > > >> > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Wlug mailing list > > >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >> > > > >> > > >>-- > > >> > > >>€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø > > >>Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > > >>Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > > >>Cell: 508-517-4819 > > >>Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > > >>Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ > > >>Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > > >>KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > > >>AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > > >>€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø > > >> > > >>Confirmed bachelor: > > >> A man who goes through life without a hitch. > > >> > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>Wlug mailing list > > >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! 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RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of graphsinredhat6.2
by Marc Hughes Oct. 30, 2002

Oct. 30, 2002

So you're saying that you can use X on the machine, right? If so, I'd look other places for the problem. Double check that your DISPLAY is set properly and access is enabled. This was the exact same error message I used to get when java couldn't connect to the xserver. I find doing something like this: nohup Xvfb :1 -screen 0 800x600x24 & sleep 5 export DISPLAY=localhost:1 xhost + SERVERCOMMAND <- (Whatever you need to do to start the server) Is best since it uses a virtual x server instead of the real one. This works around your problem, but is probably the "correct" way to do it anyways. -Marc -----Original Message----- From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:23 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of graphsinredhat6.2 Hi Marc, The KDE for the server was not working for it so I fixed it, removing all the rpms and re-installing them, I even reinstalled "gd".So I was wondering if any other libraries related to X-server were broken too. My output for $ps auwx | grep X is as below root 14500 0.0 0.0 2220 980 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/X11R6/bin/startx root 14507 0.0 0.0 2344 668 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 xinit /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc -- root 14508 0.7 0.3 18156 7956 ? S< 09:44 1:07 /etc/X11/X :0 I'd appreciate your suggestions and comments in this regard. Thanks, Peram >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation >of >graphs inredhat6.2 >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:55:29 -0500 > >What do you mean when you say it seems broken? Are there other >symptoms >besides the java connection to it? > >Can you sit down at the machine and use X? If this is a server, you >probably don't want that ability (that's where Xvfb comes in). What >Xserver are you running? > >If you "ps aux |grep X" do you see an xserver running? > >-Marc > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:46 AM >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation >of >graphs inredhat6.2 > > >Hi Marc, >Thanks for the reply. >I agree with you Marc, it is a servlet(I'm sorry about that) and its on >the server. The display settings seems to be proper, but my X- server >seems to be broken. I'd appreciate if you can guide me to any kind of >information with the help of which I can fix the issue of broken >X-windows. > >Thanks, > >Peram > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of graphs inredhat 6.2 > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:16:11 -0500 > > > >I'm guessing this is a server (the errors you showed before made it > >look more like a servlet than an applet)... So are you running X? If > >so, when you start the server do you set your DISPLAY variable > >correctly? Does >the > >server process have access to the Xserver? > > > >If you're not running an Xserver, you need to. Weird, huh? Without > >a running X-Server the JRE can't do most graphical operations, even > >if >those > >operations never render to the display. It's a long standing issue > >that >a > >whole lot of people have complained about. What you can do is run > >Xvfb >... > >It's a non graphical X server. It just gives programs an Xserver to > >play with, and never displays the results of those programs. > > > > > > > > > >-Marc > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:08 AM > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > > > > >Hi, > >With reply to my previous mail I've figured out that Java "awt" is > >looking for some parameters in X-windows. I think the X is broken. > >I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me with fixing of > >X-windows. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Sudhaker P" <perams27(a)hotmail.com> > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > >generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:07:13 -0600 > > > > > >Hi Karl, > > >Thanks a lot for the response. > > >I'm running it as an applet as in the below mentioned weblogic log > > >java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError > > > at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method) > > > at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:120) > > > at > > > >java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEnvi > >ronment.java:58) > > > at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:189) > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:315) > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:262) > > > at com.rivenet.graphingaction.Graphit.runGraph2D(Unknown >Source) > > > at > > >com.rivenet.reporting.InformalFundingComparisonGraph.makeGraph(Unkn > > >ow > > >n > > >Source) > > > at > > > >jsp_servlet._plan._Model_controller._jspService(_Model_controller.jav > >a:356) > > > at weblogic.servlet.jsp.JspBase.service(JspBase.java:27) > > > at > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStubIm > >pl.java:123) > > > at > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletCon > >textImpl.java:761) > > > at > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletCon > >textImpl.java:708) > > > at > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextManager.invokeServlet(Servlet > >ContextManager.java:252) > > > at > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.invokeServlet(MuxableSocketHTTP.jav > >a:346) > > > at > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.execute(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:246) > > > at > > >weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:135) > > > > > >So I was wondering if "awt" since it needs X to generate graphs > > >could be the reason and X might be broken. > > > > > >In your opinion if x is broken what could the rpms that I need to > > >install. I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> > > >>Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >>Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > >>generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > >>Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) > > >> > > >> > > >>are you running it from the comand line? or an applet? > > >> > > >>Get any errors on your command line? > > >> > > >> > > >>Did you try on the same machine booting 2.4.16 and 2.4.7 to verify > > >>that it is the kernel? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Sudhaker P wrote: > > >> > > >> > Hi , > > >> > I've a program that generates graphs with Java 1.3.1_01. The > > >> > same > > >>program is > > >> > able to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.16 > > >> > but it > > >>fails > > >> > to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.7-10 on > > >> > which it > > >>used > > >> > to generate before. I've installed KDE and gd thinking that > > >> > something > > >>may > > >> > broken in the OS on the jpegs generation part. But that doesn't > > >> > seem to help. I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me > > >> > in this issue with your comments and suggestions. > > >> > > > >> > Thanks, > > >> > > > >> > Peram > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________________________ > > >> > __ > > >> > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > > >> > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Wlug mailing list > > >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >> > > > >> > > >>-- > > >> > > >>¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > >>Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > > >>Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > > >>Cell: 508-517-4819 > > >>Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > > >>Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ > > >>Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > > >>KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > > >>AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > > >>¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > >> > > >>Confirmed bachelor: > > >> A man who goes through life without a hitch. > > >> > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>Wlug mailing list > > >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! 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