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good article Q+A with Linus Torvalds
by Doug Mildram 31 Mar '16

31 Mar '16

doug> The joys of project management! About which I know very little. I only noticed this because the IEEE......... (which i joined for a short year, then they keep sending me weekly/monthly stuff for free on email, plus they keep begging me to re-join) sent me links to..... http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/linux-at-25-qa-with-linus-torva… doug> My favorite take-home (one comment/reply to the line below said: "everyone knows that!" ) Linux is a kernel, not an entire operating system. but in the article, Linus got quoted saying... If I had known what I know today when I started, I would never have had the chutzpah to start writing my own operating system: You need a certain amount of naïveté to think that you can do it.

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Re: [Wlug] Microsoft supporting linux userspace programs in windows 10?
by Chuck Anderson 31 Mar '16

31 Mar '16

Windows NT/XP/7/8 had the POSIX subsystem and then the Interix subsystem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interix But they deprecated it in Windows 8 and don't support it at all on Windows 10. It is interesting that they are bringing some type of *IX support back... On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 05:42:54PM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > As one of my co-workers pointed out... the MS file model is fundamentally > incompatible with the linux model. Try renaming a file in windows that > someone else has open... try deleting a file someone has open. > > There are lots and lots of linux programs that do that last trick... create > a temp file, open it and then delete it... use it for scratch space and > then when they close it... *poof* it's gone. > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Dennis Payne <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> > wrote: > > > Interesting but I don't see much point. Yes it may be technically > > interesting but from an end user perspective why use this over cygwin. I > > imagine any graphical application won't work. If they did make it support > > SDL, gtk, etc., I'd be interested. Granted on a new machine I might install > > it instead of cygwin if it was easier to install. > > > > On Wed, 2016-03-30 at 15:49 -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > > > > > > https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/03/30/ubuntu-on-windows-the-ubuntu-userspa… > > > > They've written a wrapper that converts linux syscalls to windows > > syscalls... > > > > Native bash, rsync, etc... without cygwin. > > > > Well, this will make backing up my wife's machine a bit easier now that > > it'll be running sshd. > > > > Tim.

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Re: [Wlug] Microsoft supporting linux userspace programs in windows 10?
by Tim Keller 30 Mar '16

30 Mar '16

As one of my co-workers pointed out... the MS file model is fundamentally incompatible with the linux model. Try renaming a file in windows that someone else has open... try deleting a file someone has open. There are lots and lots of linux programs that do that last trick... create a temp file, open it and then delete it... use it for scratch space and then when they close it... *poof* it's gone. On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Dennis Payne <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> wrote: > Interesting but I don't see much point. Yes it may be technically > interesting but from an end user perspective why use this over cygwin. I > imagine any graphical application won't work. If they did make it support > SDL, gtk, etc., I'd be interested. Granted on a new machine I might install > it instead of cygwin if it was easier to install. > > On Wed, 2016-03-30 at 15:49 -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > > > https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/03/30/ubuntu-on-windows-the-ubuntu-userspa… > > They've written a wrapper that converts linux syscalls to windows > syscalls... > > Native bash, rsync, etc... without cygwin. > > Well, this will make backing up my wife's machine a bit easier now that > it'll be running sshd. > > Tim. > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing listWlug@mail.wlug.orghttp://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Microsoft supporting linux userspace programs in windows 10?
by Dennis Payne 30 Mar '16

30 Mar '16

Interesting but I don't see much point. Yes it may be technically interesting but from an end user perspective why use this over cygwin. I imagine any graphical application won't work. If they did make it support SDL, gtk, etc., I'd be interested. Granted on a new machine I might install it instead of cygwin if it was easier to install. On Wed, 2016-03-30 at 15:49 -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/03/30/ubuntu-on-windows-the-ubuntu-u > serspace-for-windows-developers/ > > They've written a wrapper that converts linux syscalls to windows > syscalls... > > Native bash, rsync, etc... without cygwin. > > Well, this will make backing up my wife's machine a bit easier now > that it'll be running sshd. > > Tim. > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Microsoft supporting linux userspace programs in windows 10?
by Tim Keller 30 Mar '16

30 Mar '16

https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/03/30/ubuntu-on-windows-the-ubuntu-userspa… They've written a wrapper that converts linux syscalls to windows syscalls... Native bash, rsync, etc... without cygwin. Well, this will make backing up my wife's machine a bit easier now that it'll be running sshd. Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Block-level remote file sync?
by Keith Wright 29 Mar '16

29 Mar '16

Chris <wolcen(a)riseup.net> writes: > Thanks in advance! Hope you are all well. > --Chris > > PS - LibrePlanet was pretty fun :) Fine, thank you. -- Keith PS: I was there, at least on Saturday. Were you hiding, or do I not know what Chris looks like? Hint: the law of excluded middle is irrelevant, as is relevance logic. Answer: Give up? B the latter, and/or both/either A, the former, and/or B. PPS: I suppose I could Google what LOPSA stands for, but I don't care.

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Next Meeting April 14th!
by Tim Keller 29 Mar '16

29 Mar '16

Hey Gang, The next meeting is going to be April 14th. I've put a couple of feelers out for speakers but nothing has solidified yet. If there's something people would like to talk about, I'd be game! Here are couple of topics that people might find interesting: Home security using Zone Alarm Hadoop FOSS Databases Let me know what you think. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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LOPSA-East '16 Early Bird Registration extended
by LOPSA-East '16 29 Mar '16

29 Mar '16

The “*please fasten you seatbelt sign*” is on and LOPSA-NJ is happy to announce that registration for the 2016 LOPSA-East conference is *OPEN*. Early Bird pricing is a great deal and will be available till March 25th. We have some great classes and talks this year and we hope you all can join us. There are many discounts that you can find out about at http://lopsaeast.org/2016/lopsa-east-costs/#dis Our Friday night Keynote will be Tanya Reilly who has been a Site Reliability Engineer at Google since 2005, working on low level infrastructure like distributed locking, load balancing, bootstrapping and monitoring systems. Before Google, she worked as a Systems Administrator at eircom.net, Ireland’s largest ISP, and before that she was the entire IT Department for a small software house. She likes writing Go, building Lego spaceships, and predicting how things will break.” “Does technical debt turn your small changes into minefields? Does your production environment expect perfect humans? This talk highlights tools, configuration and documentation that set us up for failure. It advocates for removing traps, so that you don’t have to waste brain cycles on remembering where they are. And it offers practical advice for sending your future self (and future coworkers!) gifts, instead of post mortems that just say “human error :-(”. Includes stories of preventable outages. Bring your schadenfreude.” We will be announcing some new great things going on later as the conference gets closer. One of the things that was brought up in the feed back from the past few years is a get together on Thursday night for those in the area or arriving early so we will be opening up the bag stuffing party to all. More details on this will be added to the website as the time gets closer. Friday night we will have the Birds-Of-a-Feathers again this year as well as a Cards Against Humanity game for anyone who wants to join and a few more fun things that make LOPSA-East different from other area conferences. We can’t wait to see you all in May at the LOPSA-East Conference. Remember to reserve your room at the Hyatt Regency New Brunswick at the group rate of $129 single/double plus tax. When the rooms in the LOPSA-East block are sold out, requests will be handled on a space-available basis at the hotel’s standard rate. Make your reservations early! To reserve your room on the web go to https://aws.passkey.com/g/51094713 If you have any questions or ideas you would like to ask or discuses please email me at wbilancio(a)lopsanj.org. <wbilancio(a)bilancio.org>

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Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues
by Gary Hanley 25 Mar '16

25 Mar '16

Yes, that's what I was doing but after I chose this the Mint installer wasn't seeing any partitions. Removed GPT record with gdisk and that fixed it. On 03/25/2016 11:49 AM, John Stoffel wrote: > You're talking about the MINT installer, right? In any case, I think > you need to make sure that you boot into Win10, shrink the C:\ drive > and leave free space on the disk. > > The in the mint installer you need to select the custom disk > partitioning scheme, since you need to find and select the space by > hand. >

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Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues
by Gary Hanley 25 Mar '16

25 Mar '16

Yeah, I should know better. I was beat up and frustrated at the time. Sorry. The root of my problem was that I couldn't find any options in the BIOS to manipulate the Secure Boot/UEFI/Legacy stuff. However, I found them this morning after I selected an option that I assumed to be unrelated which unlocked them. Thank you, Gigabyte. So I'm making progress now but I'm still not out of the woods yet. I've got Windows installed with space partitioned for LM but now I'm working on getting the installer to recognize the Windows partition. It thinks I have the entire disk available. Damn. Keep digging.... Thanks for the BLOG link. Looks interesting. I'll check it out. On 03/25/2016 09:54 AM, John Stoffel wrote: > Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side > Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell > Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace > Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for > Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power > Gary> consumption. > > Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I don't > Gary> like to build these any more. > > Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, > Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install > Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. > > You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no > one will be able to help you. > > For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any > problems on this board? > > I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? > > So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new > bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke > both I suspect. > > Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for > Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an > Gary> Intel I5 6400). > > Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, > Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding > Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? > > Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they > have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around > it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... > > Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I > Gary> hope not. > > Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's > possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow > non-signed keys to boot. > > Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI > maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's > Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: > > https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org > > It might have some pointers. > > > But please, more details would help us help you. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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