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RE: [Wlug] Fw: RE: show
by Keller, Tim Oct. 15, 2003

Oct. 15, 2003

Well, I kind of took it on this tact. My wife really doesn't care about linux, nor windows. When she sits down in front of the computer, she just wants it to work as expected. Past that, she plays a few games, but mainly it revolves around surfing the web, reading email, etc. With that said, I think that the argument for linux has to be made on a couple fronts. Firstly, cost and freedom. Explain to people why linux is a better choice than the perceived "free" copy of windows that came with their computer. I think we should definitely explain the microsoft tax. Second, security. Make it a point of explaining that linux is impervious to the many worms and viruses that are running around the internet. Though we should also caution people that a poorly configured linux box is just as bad (if not worse) than an bare unpatched windows machine. Past that, we should talk to the availability of software for linux. Later, Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Avedissian [mailto:avedis@rcn.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:38 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Fw: RE: show Makes sense to me, Tim. Easy replacement is the selling point, and in some ways it's been the stumbling block to my converting entirely to linux. I still use Windows for a couple of tasks that either can't be done in linux (yet) or I haven't figured them out in linux yet (unsupported scanner). Show people that they can do the things they need to do with a minimal amount of effort and without having to pay microsoft, and there will be plenty of converts. Most of the things that most people do with their computers can now be done in linux without having to read a manual, and people need to know that. Greg Keller, Tim wrote: > Yury, > > You can count me in. I also know my way around a TV production studio. > > We had talked about doing an introduction to linux. As an aside to that I > was thinking that possibly we could do a show on equivalent pieces of > software on the linux side of things that could replace (perceived) missing > functionality. This would include stuff like Evolution, Mozilla, GnuCash, > OpenOffice, mplayer, xmms, etc. > > What do people think? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Yury I Vashugin [mailto:vashugins@juno.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:56 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Cc: wlug(a)wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Fw: RE: show > > > hi, everyone. > since we talked about producing an educational show about linux and > putting it 'in-the-air' at the last wlug meeting and i saw a very > enthusiastic response so i've reserved the studio for oct.21(see below). > there's a problem with a converter but i'm sure we can find a laptop with > a video output. > for the show we need two cameramen(anyone can do that; very simple duties > and can be learned within 3-5 min), a show host and guests. > please, bring any suggestions or/and recommendations. thanks. > yury > > --------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Marc Serra <mserra(a)ci.shrewsbury.ma.us> > To: 'Yury I Vashugin' <vashugins(a)juno.com> > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:42:56 -0400 > Subject: RE: show > Message-ID: <A7F72312FF5DB348BE2D037A6FE5F1C1407EC2@selpnt2> > > Yes. > > Does anybody in the group have access to a scan converter or can you use > a > computer with a video card output? Since we spoke about it, our last scan > converter was put into service to be used on one of our channel's for our > bulletin board. For you to use it, we would have to take a channel off > the > air. I know that a lot of laptops have video out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Yury I Vashugin [mailto:vashugins@juno.com] > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:48 AM > To: mserra(a)ci.shrewsbury.ma.us > Subject: show > > > marc, > can i reserve the studio for half-an-hour show on tuesday, october 21 at > 6:30 (actually it will not be a show; just a preliminary stuff- what > light, what background, what settings we want for 'linux show', to try a > scanner converter etc)? > yury > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Fw: RE: show
by Yury I Vashugin Oct. 15, 2003

Oct. 15, 2003

hi, everyone. since we talked about producing an educational show about linux and putting it 'in-the-air' at the last wlug meeting and i saw a very enthusiastic response so i've reserved the studio for oct.21(see below). there's a problem with a converter but i'm sure we can find a laptop with a video output. for the show we need two cameramen(anyone can do that; very simple duties and can be learned within 3-5 min), a show host and guests. please, bring any suggestions or/and recommendations. thanks. yury --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Marc Serra <mserra(a)ci.shrewsbury.ma.us> To: 'Yury I Vashugin' <vashugins(a)juno.com> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:42:56 -0400 Subject: RE: show Message-ID: <A7F72312FF5DB348BE2D037A6FE5F1C1407EC2@selpnt2> Yes. Does anybody in the group have access to a scan converter or can you use a computer with a video card output? Since we spoke about it, our last scan converter was put into service to be used on one of our channel's for our bulletin board. For you to use it, we would have to take a channel off the air. I know that a lot of laptops have video out. -----Original Message----- From: Yury I Vashugin [mailto:vashugins@juno.com] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:48 AM To: mserra(a)ci.shrewsbury.ma.us Subject: show marc, can i reserve the studio for half-an-hour show on tuesday, october 21 at 6:30 (actually it will not be a show; just a preliminary stuff- what light, what background, what settings we want for 'linux show', to try a scanner converter etc)? yury ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

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NIC settings -- how?
by Bill Mills-Curran Oct. 15, 2003

Oct. 15, 2003

How can I view and alter NIC settings, like auto-negotiate, speed, duplex on my Red Hat 8/9 boxes? Thanks, Bill

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problem hardware?
by Baris Hasdemir Oct. 14, 2003

Oct. 14, 2003

Hello all, Today I received my slot loading pioneer dvd rom drive from newegg.com. But linux tells me there are problems with it. The problem is my new hardware right? Or should I upgrade my kernel? I wanted to be sure before sending it back. kernel 2.4.22(slackware 9.1) thanks, baris # tail -f /var/log/syslog Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: ATAPI device hdd: Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: Media region code is mismatched to logical unit -- (asc=0x6f, ascq=0x04) Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: The failed "Report Key" packet command was: Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: "a4 00 00 00 01 26 00 00 00 0c c4 00 " Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: ATAPI device hdd: Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: Media region code is mismatched to logical unit -- (asc=0x6f, ascq=0x04) Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: The failed "Report Key" packet command was: Oct 14 14:39:45 penguen kernel: "a4 00 00 00 02 3d 00 00 00 0c c4 00 " Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: ATAPI device hdd: Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: Media region code is mismatched to logical unit -- (asc=0x6f, ascq=0x04) Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: The failed "Report Key" packet command was: Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: "a4 00 00 00 02 ad 00 00 00 0c c4 00 " Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: ATAPI device hdd: Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: Media region code is mismatched to logical unit -- (asc=0x6f, ascq=0x04) Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: The failed "Report Key" packet command was: Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: "a4 00 00 00 02 dc 00 00 00 0c c4 00 " Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: ATAPI device hdd: Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: Media region code is mismatched to logical unit -- (asc=0x6f, ascq=0x04) Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: The failed "Report Key" packet command was: Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: "a4 00 00 00 0a 2b 00 00 00 0c c4 00 " Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: ATAPI device hdd: Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: Media region code is mismatched to logical unit -- (asc=0x6f, ascq=0x04) Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: The failed "Report Key" packet command was: Oct 14 14:39:46 penguen kernel: "a4 00 00 20 f9 76 00 00 00 0c c4 00 " Oct 14 14:39:47 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } Oct 14 14:39:47 penguen kernel: hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 Oct 14 14:39:47 penguen kernel: ATAPI device hdd: Oct 14 14:39:47 penguen kernel: Error: Illegal request -- (Sense key=0x05) Oct 14 14:39:47 penguen kernel: Media region code is mismatched to logical unit -- (asc=0x6f, ascq=0x04) Oct 14 14:39:47 penguen kernel: The failed "Report Key" packet command was: Oct 14 14:39:47 penguen kernel: "a4 00 00 20 f9 e6 00 00 00 0c c4 00 "

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RE: [Wlug] Fw: RE: show
by Keller, Tim Oct. 14, 2003

Oct. 14, 2003

Yury, You can count me in. I also know my way around a TV production studio. We had talked about doing an introduction to linux. As an aside to that I was thinking that possibly we could do a show on equivalent pieces of software on the linux side of things that could replace (perceived) missing functionality. This would include stuff like Evolution, Mozilla, GnuCash, OpenOffice, mplayer, xmms, etc. What do people think? Thanks, Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Yury I Vashugin [mailto:vashugins@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:56 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Cc: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Fw: RE: show hi, everyone. since we talked about producing an educational show about linux and putting it 'in-the-air' at the last wlug meeting and i saw a very enthusiastic response so i've reserved the studio for oct.21(see below). there's a problem with a converter but i'm sure we can find a laptop with a video output. for the show we need two cameramen(anyone can do that; very simple duties and can be learned within 3-5 min), a show host and guests. please, bring any suggestions or/and recommendations. thanks. yury --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Marc Serra <mserra(a)ci.shrewsbury.ma.us> To: 'Yury I Vashugin' <vashugins(a)juno.com> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:42:56 -0400 Subject: RE: show Message-ID: <A7F72312FF5DB348BE2D037A6FE5F1C1407EC2@selpnt2> Yes. Does anybody in the group have access to a scan converter or can you use a computer with a video card output? Since we spoke about it, our last scan converter was put into service to be used on one of our channel's for our bulletin board. For you to use it, we would have to take a channel off the air. I know that a lot of laptops have video out. -----Original Message----- From: Yury I Vashugin [mailto:vashugins@juno.com] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:48 AM To: mserra(a)ci.shrewsbury.ma.us Subject: show marc, can i reserve the studio for half-an-hour show on tuesday, october 21 at 6:30 (actually it will not be a show; just a preliminary stuff- what light, what background, what settings we want for 'linux show', to try a scanner converter etc)? yury ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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You can't get there from here...
by Gregory Avedissian Oct. 13, 2003

Oct. 13, 2003

At the meeting last Thursday, I asked about a problem I'm having with KDE desktop, and Tim mentioned I should run 'tail -f /var/log/messages' in another terminal while loading KDE. Description of problem: KDE starts to load, tells me it's checking peripherals, and then the screen goes black. Ctrl-alt-back kills the xserver and gets me out. In running the tail, I discovered that KDE really is runnning OK, but I have to switch to another virtual console (alt-F2) and then ctrl-alt-F7 will get me to the kde desktop. I get error messages from modprobe while kde is loading. It's looking for sound-slot-1, which I think is odd, because modules.conf doesn't say anything about a sound-slot-1. I only have one sound card, and it's at sound-slot-0. I tried turning off the sound server in the kde control center, and that didn't help. I also get gpm error messages when I go in an out of an x-session. Changing GPM_PARAMS in /etc/rc.config to the correct type of mouse helped get rid of flaky mouse behavior in console, but the error messages continue. Below are the messages. Any ideas or suggestions are appreciated. Thanks, Greg Oct 12 13:54:29 linux gpm[1601]: Error in protocol Oct 12 13:55:04 linux last message repeated 38 times Oct 12 13:55:05 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-slot-1 Oct 12 13:55:05 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-service-1-0 Oct 12 13:55:05 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-slot-1 Oct 12 13:55:05 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-service-1-0 Oct 12 13:55:05 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-slot-1 Oct 12 13:55:05 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-service-1-0 Oct 12 13:55:05 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-slot-1 Oct 12 13:55:05 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-service-1-0

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FW: Authentication on outgoing SMTP, how to set with postfix?
by Jim & Toni Oct. 13, 2003

Oct. 13, 2003

Sorry if you get multiples, like it says, having trouble with outgoing. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Jim & Toni [mailto:jntdibb@bellatlantic.net] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 2:28 PM To: 'wlug(a)wlug.org' Subject: Authentication on outgoing SMTP, how to set with postfix? I've almost got postfix setup as a mail relay from my local linux box to 'outgoing.verizon.net'. But, the postfix howto doesn't specify how to provide login/password authentication for smtp servers that require it. The error was '554: Authentication required' Going to search more, but appreciate any help. Thanks.

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Debian question
by Chuck Homic Oct. 9, 2003

Oct. 9, 2003

Oh, hey... my Debian rant reminded me of something! I have Debian running on a 486-25 with 12MB of RAM. (Pause for laughter...) Okay. Now then. When I run dpkg (on its own, or via apt-get) it wants about 18M of RAM to work with. This causes a fair deal of thrashing, and if I just let it go, it takes about 30 minutes to install even the most basic package. My solution thus far is to use the NBD driver to mount a swap space over the network. This is actually faster because the swap and actual package install don't have to contend for precious HDD seek time, and I can install the most basic packages in about 10 minutes or so. Even so, it would be nice if it were a bit faster still. Anyone know what dpkg does with its RAM? Is it loading all the packges into memory to figure out dependencies and stuff? Any way to make it behave more efficiently? -Chuck

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shameless promo of Slackware by the DistroWatch guy..
by Brian McLinden Oct. 9, 2003

Oct. 9, 2003

DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 17, 29 September 2003 (opinion piece article by Ladislav Bodnar, the man who runs DW itself) "A new stable version of Slackware Linux was released late on Friday. As usual, the news was greeted with plenty of enthusiasm by many die-hard Slackware fans and by much curiosity from users of other distributions. What is so special about Slackware? Unlike other commercial distribution makers, such as Red Hat, Mandrake or SuSE, Slackware doesn't come with any system administration tools, it has an amazingly unsophisticated package manager and the company rarely makes headlines in the Linux media. Yet every a new Slackware release is announced, a wave of excitement sweeps the Linux forums and new sites (this OSNews review is a good example). Slackware is to Linux distributions what vi is to UNIX text editors - many people expected vi to die after an abundance of new, more intuitive and user-friendly text editors were introduced. But instead, vi flourished. And while other Linux distributions have certainly managed to take market share away from Slackware, there are still plenty of people out there -- probably a lot more than many would led you believe -- who would never consider using anything else. If you've never tried Slackware before, give it a partition now - and be prepared to fall in love... [end of comment]" Question - does he like slack because it is more like unix than any other distro? Back in the days when men were men............... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

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I choose Slackware.. God help me! (And you guys, please?)
by Brian McLinden Oct. 8, 2003

Oct. 8, 2003

That�s why I hope to meet guys into slack. Tomorrow night�s meeting? The email below is about my climb in life and the three technical things foremost in my concerns. If you�re not into slack, there�s no need to continue reading. tks, Brian - - - - - - - - - - - - - I'm a newbie with just a little Fortran experience and a 1 gig HDD machine with Windows 98 and no printer either! Nonetheless I�m feeling the need to choose Slackware 9.1. It�s because I�ve read a bit of craft obligation and personal challenge in the following: �Slackware is Linux's oldest living distribution. It does not try to emulate Windows, it tries to be as Unix-like as possible. It does not try to cover up processes with fancy, point-and-click GUIs(Graphical User Interfaces). Instead, it puts users in control by letting them see exactly what's going on. Slackware is for people who enjoy learning and tweaking their system to do exactly what they want. Slackware's stability and simplicity is why people will continue to use it for years to come.� But simple does not mean easy, does it? Back in the days when men were Men........... I�m up in years (you�ll know me when you see I�m fat, ugly, and bald with white hair), but in my day I made 5 violins under a master (before life took me somewhere else). The only power tool I used was a band saw to cut smaller pieces out of a split log. You can make a violin out of very few knives, chisels, scrapers, and a block plane. I made my own patterns, knives, and scrapers. I had never worked wood before, even by power tools. (I never had had interest in those.) Those early instruments were slow going and not a little agony, but I knew with control of the hand and discipline of the heart that I could step up in my work, and take it to the level of art, well beyond anyone skilled with power tools. Am I a bit competitive and still trying to be a man�s man? Anyhow, I believe you see the parallel. I want to get to command line and not rely at an emotional level on commercial distributions what with all *their* packaging schemes (read: complications) and *their* bloatware GUI�s. It�s a bit about control and pride, isn�t it? How else can I bypass the Windows mentality and hope to step up in open source as a craft? I want to be a thinker and doer in this game, not just a consumer or user of various Distributions. My goal longer term is art, not just sitting at the feet of documented Authority. Another parallel: how can you design a Cadillac with no skills to build a model T Ford? Man or not, I�m scared! At the least I�m feeling a little shaky, and here�s why. Switching back to the violin story, I knew how to make those knives out of straight razors and scrapers out of blue shim stock. I could sharpen on my own the blade of a block plane until no one could see the edge. It was intuitive and it wasn�t rocket science. It took no prior reading or class instruction. I put in plenty of sweat time at the bench. It took me eight days (no kidding) to cut my first bass bar to a perfect fit, and I never backed off once from the challenge. Of course I knew my master was back there, watching. I did not quit while seeing him work at ten times my rate. My pride would not let me give up. But there came a time when I could go no further without my master�s help. Art was not possible without the ultimacy and intimacy of oral tradition. Thank God for newsgroups and the WLUG. It takes a community to raise a boy to manhood. So learning slackware, as learning unix in the old days, must require a combination of self-reliance AND guru help. In life we must settle for no false choices. Three items below. As background, I�m about ready to place an order for a stripped down machine with two IDE drives and Slackware. (Forget all that talk last week about SCSI, I don�t need bragging rights or a hardware �screamer.� Because, as you must know by now, the �screaming� I�m experiencing now has nothing whatever to do with any hardware.) 1. Partitions. I�m new to Linux, but trying to learn, so please don�t shoot me. What should my (various?) slack files look like? I have never seen any. I don�t know what to look for. Specifically, what partitioning specs can I give to the vendor who will pre-install and configure slack for me so that I have a working machine? I would like to be able to read and learn from these files BEFORE the iron arrives on my desk. I would like to split my slack partitions over two 80G disks for speed of random access. Thus, taking platter construction into account, the most frequently used partitions should be in the physical center of each disk. I would like to put slack primarily on hda, and, later on, any second distribution (Mandrake? Libranet? new Debian when it comes out?) primarily on hdb. What detailed partitioning do you recommend upfront to permit or pave the way for this control and flexibility? 2. Internet. auuggh..! Here, a problem of the chicken/egg variety. What should my slack files look like for dial-up access (to start with my current Prodigy) and DSL access (Speakeasy later when I�m ready to try downloads)? Unless I have these things up and running, I won�t be able to interface with online Linux help! 3. Printer. Anyone have a reliable model number for a Linux printer to suggest? Nothing fancy, just something to print out docs for Linux study in the woods, and an occasional letter. What should my slack files look like? (Of course I don�t know a thing yet about driver stuff..) These three are my foremost technical concerns that seem to be holding me back from my first flight. I hope to receive you hand up on these things! Biggest thing of all, the opportunity to meet you tomorrow night and chat over pizza. until then, Brian __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

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