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RE: [Wlug] backup recomendation
by Marc Hughes 25 Oct '02

25 Oct '02

I just started using arkeia the other day, and I'm rather impressed so far. They give you a 2 client license of version 4.2 for free (so you can backup the server, and 2 linux or windows clients) if you're using a linux backup server. You can make backups to tape or disk with it. Plus it has a little bit of eye candy; while backups are running, you can log in with the gui client (java client that works on a bunch of platforms) and see the speed at which the backups are running in a speedometer style display ... Hey, what can I say, I like pretty things :) I'm not sure if this is feasible at all, but could you use software raid and mirror your normal disk to the removeable one? Just a wacky solution that I thought of when someone mentioned LVM ... -Marc -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@attbi.com] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 12:04 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] backup recomendation On Thursday 24 October 2002 9:55 am, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > What do people out there use for backup tools. Anyone use Amanda? Any > good? HI Karl, I use BRU at home for my backups on my SCSI TR5 tape drive and it works great. It is a commercial product and you can find more info here: http://www.tolisgroup.com/ Also, for a while I used Arkeia which seems to be more for professional environments and not for home users. It is also a commercial product. You can find more info here: http://www.arkeia.com/ Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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backup recomendation
by Karl Hiramoto 25 Oct '02

25 Oct '02

What do people out there use for backup tools. Anyone use Amanda? Any good? My situation is I have three servers I wish to backup. The total amount of data to be backup'd is 40GB. I wish to do weekly or monthly full backups with daily incremental. Plan A: Monthly Level 0, weekly Level 1, daily Level 2 Plan B: Weekly Level 0, daily Level 1 Plan C: Monthly Level 0, weekly level 0, daily level 1 Then every month I'd like to take one of the full backups and put it away for long term storage. My backup media is a 120GB IDE disks in a removable drive trays. Take them home for off site storage. One thing I'm trying now is: rsync the three servers to the local 120 GB disk. From local disk create tar files. Bad part about it is I have to store an extra 40GB on the disk of local copies of the servers. I can't just tar over NFS, because the files on the server may be changing as the tar is created. Tar bitches when that happens. My optimal solution: keep all files on the servers. Possibly use a small local scratch area(1 G or so). Create local backups and store them to the 120GB removable disk. I would like to use free software if possible. Any suggestions? -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø This is now. Later is later.

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RE: [Wlug] What's the tally for the installfest???
by Marc Hughes 25 Oct '02

25 Oct '02

In case no one shows, do we want to plan something? A while back we did a distribution bake-off. Since we'll have the facilities, and probably a few computers, we could do something like that again? -Marc -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@attbi.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:41 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] What's the tally for the installfest??? On Wednesday 23 October 2002 1:26 pm, Keller, Tim wrote: > Do we have a rough idea of how many people are going to be in > attendance for the installfest? > > Later, > Tim. I have received ZERO e-mail about this so far. I plan to be there so I hope some folks come out of the woodwork. Later, Andy (who just returned from California yesterday evening) -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] Installfest
by Michael Long 24 Oct '02

24 Oct '02

Thanks to everyone for all the help. I was afraid I would have to drag my computer to Worcester tonight to get this done. Instead I will arrive without it. Since I have not learned how to do x-forwarding with ssh yet, I will have to wait until later tonight to actually attempt this. --mike ps. This just goes to show you can make great progress with a little heresy ;) > Mike, > > You're almost home free. Take a gander at /etc/lilo.conf. You should see an > entry in there for booting windows and a timeout value. You should be able > to edit the file and install the changes by running lilo. > > Try man lilo for help. If still stuck, post your lilo.conf file... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > > Behalf Of Michael Long > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:22 PM > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Subject: RE: [Wlug] Installfest > > > > > > I did not rejumper the drives. I believe I told SuSE to use the second > > drive and ignore the first. I may be wrong about this since it was > > awhile ago that I did the initial install. I do know that I > > am not asked > > whether or not to boot windows. Yast2 does have the ability to modify > > lilo. This is either not stable or allows the users to screw > > up because > > Yast2 appears to be locked on my laptop after going into the > > configuration tool :( > > > > Normally I would reject the idea of switching to Grub at this > > point but > > since SuSE 8.x is using it I am willing to entertain the idea. Being > > that I am primarely a database/web developer and not a linux > > programmer > > how will Grub enhance my linux experiance? > > > > mike > > > > > Absolutely! I'm guessing you rejumpered the drives to make > > the second > > drive > > > the primary. I'd recommend using grub as your boot loader. > > You can install > > > it in the MBR of the drive that has Windows on it, rejumper the > > drives, and > > > simply change /etc/mtab to reflect the new state of the world. > > > > > > Grub is nice, in that it allows you to tweak your boot "ini" file > > during the > > > boot process in case you made a mistake. Check out the HOWTOs at > > > www.tldp.org on how to setup dual boot. > > > > > > --Skip > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > > > > Behalf Of Michael Long > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:34 PM > > > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Installfest > > > > > > > > > > > > I neglected to mention one little detail. When I bought the > > > > computer it > > > > came with windows98 installed one harddrive and a second > > unformatted > > > > drive. I did a new install of SuSE onto the second harddrive. This > > > > effectively made windows unavailable. I have not done > > anything to the > > > > first drive other than mount it as a fat partition. Would it > > > > be possible > > > > to resurrect this windows installation and have it live in > > > > harmony with > > > > my current installation of SuSE? > > > > > > > > mike > > > > > > > > > Yes, well, I'm a Pastor at a conservative church that > > think doctrine > > > > matters; > > > > > so naturally everyone thinks I'm a heretic. It's nice > > to pass the > > > > buck once > > > > > in a while ;-) > > > > > > > > > > I don't know suse from a hole in the wall, so beyond editing > > > > /etc/lilo.conf > > > > > by hand and running lilo as root I can't help you. But it > > > > seems to me > > > > that > > > > > yast should have something in it's workings to edit the > > > > boot config. > > > > Let me > > > > > just say that I would be utterly shocked if it didn't. > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, since you're a newbie, you may want to backup > > > > lilo.conf via: > > > > > > > > > > mv lilo.conf lilo.backup > > > > > > > > > > and then read the man page on lilo.conf: > > > > > > > > > > man lilo.conf > > > > > > > > > > to edit your boot configuration by hand. Just remember if > > > > you go this > > > > way > > > > > you'll have to run "lilo" to get the updated configuration > > > > installed. > > > > > > > > > > Also, if you're going to install win98, MAKE SURE YOU > > HAVE A BOOT > > > > DISK. Win98 > > > > > will OVER-WRITE your mbr and lilo will be GONE. What you'l > > > > have to do is > > > > > after win98 is installed boot from your boot disk and > > run "lilo" as > > > > root in > > > > > the shell. That'll reinstall lilo on the master boot record. > > > > > > > > > > Anything I'm missing gang? > > > > > > > > > > Wes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday 24 October 2002 12:17 pm, Michael Long wrote: > > > > > > It is not easy being a heretic scum but someone has > > to do it... :) > > > > > > > > > > > > I am using SuSE 7.3 and would like to install windblows > > > > 98. I don't have > > > > > > 2000 and NT does not support usb. > > > > > > > > > > > > mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > > DIE, DIE, HERETIC SCUM! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, now that I've got that out of my system ;-) > > > > what distro are you > > > > > > > > > > > > using? I > > > > > > > > > > > > > know that Mandrake has a lilo conf tool that will > > > > basically do it for > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

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RE: [Wlug] Installfest
by Michael Long 24 Oct '02

24 Oct '02

I did not rejumper the drives. I believe I told SuSE to use the second drive and ignore the first. I may be wrong about this since it was awhile ago that I did the initial install. I do know that I am not asked whether or not to boot windows. Yast2 does have the ability to modify lilo. This is either not stable or allows the users to screw up because Yast2 appears to be locked on my laptop after going into the configuration tool :( Normally I would reject the idea of switching to Grub at this point but since SuSE 8.x is using it I am willing to entertain the idea. Being that I am primarely a database/web developer and not a linux programmer how will Grub enhance my linux experiance? mike > Absolutely! I'm guessing you rejumpered the drives to make the second drive > the primary. I'd recommend using grub as your boot loader. You can install > it in the MBR of the drive that has Windows on it, rejumper the drives, and > simply change /etc/mtab to reflect the new state of the world. > > Grub is nice, in that it allows you to tweak your boot "ini" file during the > boot process in case you made a mistake. Check out the HOWTOs at > www.tldp.org on how to setup dual boot. > > --Skip > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > > Behalf Of Michael Long > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:34 PM > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Installfest > > > > > > I neglected to mention one little detail. When I bought the > > computer it > > came with windows98 installed one harddrive and a second unformatted > > drive. I did a new install of SuSE onto the second harddrive. This > > effectively made windows unavailable. I have not done anything to the > > first drive other than mount it as a fat partition. Would it > > be possible > > to resurrect this windows installation and have it live in > > harmony with > > my current installation of SuSE? > > > > mike > > > > > Yes, well, I'm a Pastor at a conservative church that think doctrine > > matters; > > > so naturally everyone thinks I'm a heretic. It's nice to pass the > > buck once > > > in a while ;-) > > > > > > I don't know suse from a hole in the wall, so beyond editing > > /etc/lilo.conf > > > by hand and running lilo as root I can't help you. But it > > seems to me > > that > > > yast should have something in it's workings to edit the > > boot config. > > Let me > > > just say that I would be utterly shocked if it didn't. > > > > > > Other than that, since you're a newbie, you may want to backup > > lilo.conf via: > > > > > > mv lilo.conf lilo.backup > > > > > > and then read the man page on lilo.conf: > > > > > > man lilo.conf > > > > > > to edit your boot configuration by hand. Just remember if > > you go this > > way > > > you'll have to run "lilo" to get the updated configuration > > installed. > > > > > > Also, if you're going to install win98, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A BOOT > > DISK. Win98 > > > will OVER-WRITE your mbr and lilo will be GONE. What you'l > > have to do is > > > after win98 is installed boot from your boot disk and run "lilo" as > > root in > > > the shell. That'll reinstall lilo on the master boot record. > > > > > > Anything I'm missing gang? > > > > > > Wes > > > > > > > > > On Thursday 24 October 2002 12:17 pm, Michael Long wrote: > > > > It is not easy being a heretic scum but someone has to do it... :) > > > > > > > > I am using SuSE 7.3 and would like to install windblows > > 98. I don't have > > > > 2000 and NT does not support usb. > > > > > > > > mike > > > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > DIE, DIE, HERETIC SCUM! > > > > > > > > > > OK, now that I've got that out of my system ;-) > > what distro are you > > > > > > > > using? I > > > > > > > > > know that Mandrake has a lilo conf tool that will > > basically do it for > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > Wes > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

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Re: [Wlug] Installfest
by Michael Long 24 Oct '02

24 Oct '02

I neglected to mention one little detail. When I bought the computer it came with windows98 installed one harddrive and a second unformatted drive. I did a new install of SuSE onto the second harddrive. This effectively made windows unavailable. I have not done anything to the first drive other than mount it as a fat partition. Would it be possible to resurrect this windows installation and have it live in harmony with my current installation of SuSE? mike > Yes, well, I'm a Pastor at a conservative church that think doctrine matters; > so naturally everyone thinks I'm a heretic. It's nice to pass the buck once > in a while ;-) > > I don't know suse from a hole in the wall, so beyond editing /etc/lilo.conf > by hand and running lilo as root I can't help you. But it seems to me that > yast should have something in it's workings to edit the boot config. Let me > just say that I would be utterly shocked if it didn't. > > Other than that, since you're a newbie, you may want to backup lilo.conf via: > > mv lilo.conf lilo.backup > > and then read the man page on lilo.conf: > > man lilo.conf > > to edit your boot configuration by hand. Just remember if you go this way > you'll have to run "lilo" to get the updated configuration installed. > > Also, if you're going to install win98, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A BOOT DISK. Win98 > will OVER-WRITE your mbr and lilo will be GONE. What you'l have to do is > after win98 is installed boot from your boot disk and run "lilo" as root in > the shell. That'll reinstall lilo on the master boot record. > > Anything I'm missing gang? > > Wes > > > On Thursday 24 October 2002 12:17 pm, Michael Long wrote: > > It is not easy being a heretic scum but someone has to do it... :) > > > > I am using SuSE 7.3 and would like to install windblows 98. I don't have > > 2000 and NT does not support usb. > > > > mike > > > > > Mike, > > > DIE, DIE, HERETIC SCUM! > > > > > > OK, now that I've got that out of my system ;-) what distro are you > > > > using? I > > > > > know that Mandrake has a lilo conf tool that will basically do it for > > > you. > > > > > > Wes > > >

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Re: [Wlug] Installfest
by Michael Long 24 Oct '02

24 Oct '02

It is not easy being a heretic scum but someone has to do it... :) I am using SuSE 7.3 and would like to install windblows 98. I don't have 2000 and NT does not support usb. mike > Mike, > DIE, DIE, HERETIC SCUM! > > OK, now that I've got that out of my system ;-) what distro are you using? I > know that Mandrake has a lilo conf tool that will basically do it for you. > > Wes > > On Thursday 24 October 2002 11:53 am, Michael Long wrote: > > I have a request that is sacrilege to the charter of WLUG. However it is > > driven by the practicality of working in todays IT market place. > > > > I have run linux exclusively on my personal computers for quite awhile. > > My situation has changed and now need to make one of my computers a dual > > boot with windows. The only way I know how to do this is to install > > windows first and then linux. This would mean having to restore my > > current installation from backups which I have not done before. My > > preference would be to add windows leaving my linux installation alone. > > I am still a newbie to linux and do not understand lilo and the boot > > process. Would this be something that someone would be willing to help > > walk me through? > > > > Thanks, > > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- > ------ > This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please > send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

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Installfest
by Michael Long 24 Oct '02

24 Oct '02

I have a request that is sacrilege to the charter of WLUG. However it is driven by the practicality of working in todays IT market place. I have run linux exclusively on my personal computers for quite awhile. My situation has changed and now need to make one of my computers a dual boot with windows. The only way I know how to do this is to install windows first and then linux. This would mean having to restore my current installation from backups which I have not done before. My preference would be to add windows leaving my linux installation alone. I am still a newbie to linux and do not understand lilo and the boot process. Would this be something that someone would be willing to help walk me through? Thanks, Mike

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What's the tally for the installfest???
by Keller, Tim 24 Oct '02

24 Oct '02

Do we have a rough idea of how many people are going to be in attendance for the installfest? Later, Tim.

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virus scanner
by bryon3245＠netzero.com 23 Oct '02

23 Oct '02

I was wondering if anyoen has any suggestions for a virus scanner that i could install on my free bsd box that runs at 33mhz and I only use as a router and fire wall to scan all incoming traffic for viruses? -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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