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Re: [Wlug] WLUG Meeting Tonight: Topic: FM radio broadcast automation and linux! NOTE the location!
by Gregory Avedissian April 14, 2016

April 14, 2016

I've got some technical concerns about the demo. Just want to make sure we have all the right stuff on hand. No VGA port on the laptop, just HDMI. The one time I tested that (yesterday) there was no audio through the HDMI. The laptop speakers are loud enough if you hold your ear close. Can we patch into the sound system with a mini-jack? (Or does someone have a pair of micro-speakers they can bring along in their pocket?) Greg On 04/14/2016 10:06 AM, Tim Keller wrote: > Hey Gang, > > This a reminder we've got a meeting Thursday April 14th! > > Here are the details: > Date: April 14th, 2016 > Time: 7pm > Location: Atwater-Kent rm. 232 > Topic: FM radio station management with Linux! > Presenter: Greg Avedissian > > Long time member Greg Avedissian will be speaking about using linux to > operate an FM radio station and giving a demo! > > Refreshments and snacks will be provided and we'll head over to tech pizza > afterwards for some slices and more banter! > > Later, > Tim. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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WLUG Meeting Tonight: Topic: FM radio broadcast automation and linux! NOTE the location!
by Tim Keller April 14, 2016

April 14, 2016

Hey Gang, This a reminder we've got a meeting Thursday April 14th! Here are the details: Date: April 14th, 2016 Time: 7pm Location: Atwater-Kent rm. 232 Topic: FM radio station management with Linux! Presenter: Greg Avedissian Long time member Greg Avedissian will be speaking about using linux to operate an FM radio station and giving a demo! Refreshments and snacks will be provided and we'll head over to tech pizza afterwards for some slices and more banter! Later, Tim.

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Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting Thursday April 14th 2016 NOTE LOCATION!
by Tim Keller April 12, 2016

April 12, 2016

That would be FANTASTIC! Sounds like we've got ourselves a speaker! Thanks Greg! Later, Tim. On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 4:47 PM, Gregory Avedissian <avedis.dc(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I could talk about using linux for radio broadcast automation. Demo, too - > I've got it running on the laptop. > > Greg > > > On 04/12/2016 03:17 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > > Hey Gang, > > > > This a reminder we've got a meeting Thursday April 14th! > > > > Here are the details: > > Date: April 14th, 2016 > > Time: 7pm > > Location: Atwater-Kent rm. 232 > > Topic: None Currently. If someone wants to speak let me know! > > > > I've reached out to a bunch of people but schedules/etc. have gotten in > the > > way. Worse case scenario, we simply nerd out... > > > > If people are interested I can speak about hadoop and what's gone into > > building the clusters and some of the hardware and management challenges > > I've dealt with. > > > > Refreshments and snacks will be provided and we'll head over to tech > pizza > > afterwards for some slices and more banter! > > > > Later, > > Tim. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting Thursday April 14th 2016 NOTE LOCATION!
by Gregory Avedissian April 12, 2016

April 12, 2016

I could talk about using linux for radio broadcast automation. Demo, too - I've got it running on the laptop. Greg On 04/12/2016 03:17 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > Hey Gang, > > This a reminder we've got a meeting Thursday April 14th! > > Here are the details: > Date: April 14th, 2016 > Time: 7pm > Location: Atwater-Kent rm. 232 > Topic: None Currently. If someone wants to speak let me know! > > I've reached out to a bunch of people but schedules/etc. have gotten in the > way. Worse case scenario, we simply nerd out... > > If people are interested I can speak about hadoop and what's gone into > building the clusters and some of the hardware and management challenges > I've dealt with. > > Refreshments and snacks will be provided and we'll head over to tech pizza > afterwards for some slices and more banter! > > Later, > Tim. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Reminder: Meeting Thursday April 14th 2016 NOTE LOCATION!
by Tim Keller April 12, 2016

April 12, 2016

Hey Gang, This a reminder we've got a meeting Thursday April 14th! Here are the details: Date: April 14th, 2016 Time: 7pm Location: Atwater-Kent rm. 232 Topic: None Currently. If someone wants to speak let me know! I've reached out to a bunch of people but schedules/etc. have gotten in the way. Worse case scenario, we simply nerd out... If people are interested I can speak about hadoop and what's gone into building the clusters and some of the hardware and management challenges I've dealt with. Refreshments and snacks will be provided and we'll head over to tech pizza afterwards for some slices and more banter! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Meeting Reminder! April 14th, 2016 @ 7pm NOTE: Location change!
by Tim Keller April 6, 2016

April 6, 2016

Hey Gang, Our next meeting is going to be April 14th, 2016! We're going to be back in At-Water Kent Rm 232. As for a speaker nothing has panned out yet, so we'll see. Worse case I can talk about ansible. As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll head to Tech to keep talking shop and eat some pizza! Later, Tim.

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Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues
by John Stoffel April 1, 2016

April 1, 2016

Gary> Yes, that's what I was doing but after I chose this the Mint installer Gary> wasn't seeing any partitions. Removed GPT record with gdisk and that Gary> fixed it. Gary> On 03/25/2016 11:49 AM, John Stoffel wrote: >> You're talking about the MINT installer, right? In any case, I think >> you need to make sure that you boot into Win10, shrink the C:\ drive >> and leave free space on the disk. >> >> The in the mint installer you need to select the custom disk >> partitioning scheme, since you need to find and select the space by >> hand. I think you should be able to understand GPT partitions with both GRUB and Mint these days... but haven't tested it myself in detail.

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Re: [Wlug] Microsoft supporting linux userspace programs in windows 10?
by Mike Peckar March 31, 2016

March 31, 2016

> It is interesting that they are bringing some type of *IX support back... Peter Pouliot, who is the MS guy working on getting Hyper-V support back into OpenStack, spoke at last year's PuppetConf in Boston, and said that *nix stacks will likely come back into MS products so MS can play with the likes of OpenStack and similar opensource tools making their way into devOps, EntOps, cloud apps and big data. In essence, he indicated they're panicking and they should be. Mike

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good article Q+A with Linus Torvalds
by Doug Mildram March 31, 2016

March 31, 2016

doug> The joys of project management! About which I know very little. I only noticed this because the IEEE......... (which i joined for a short year, then they keep sending me weekly/monthly stuff for free on email, plus they keep begging me to re-join) sent me links to..... http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/linux-at-25-qa-with-linus-torva… doug> My favorite take-home (one comment/reply to the line below said: "everyone knows that!" ) Linux is a kernel, not an entire operating system. but in the article, Linus got quoted saying... If I had known what I know today when I started, I would never have had the chutzpah to start writing my own operating system: You need a certain amount of naïveté to think that you can do it.

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Re: [Wlug] Microsoft supporting linux userspace programs in windows 10?
by Chuck Anderson March 31, 2016

March 31, 2016

Windows NT/XP/7/8 had the POSIX subsystem and then the Interix subsystem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interix But they deprecated it in Windows 8 and don't support it at all on Windows 10. It is interesting that they are bringing some type of *IX support back... On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 05:42:54PM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > As one of my co-workers pointed out... the MS file model is fundamentally > incompatible with the linux model. Try renaming a file in windows that > someone else has open... try deleting a file someone has open. > > There are lots and lots of linux programs that do that last trick... create > a temp file, open it and then delete it... use it for scratch space and > then when they close it... *poof* it's gone. > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Dennis Payne <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> > wrote: > > > Interesting but I don't see much point. Yes it may be technically > > interesting but from an end user perspective why use this over cygwin. I > > imagine any graphical application won't work. If they did make it support > > SDL, gtk, etc., I'd be interested. Granted on a new machine I might install > > it instead of cygwin if it was easier to install. > > > > On Wed, 2016-03-30 at 15:49 -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > > > > > > https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/03/30/ubuntu-on-windows-the-ubuntu-userspa… > > > > They've written a wrapper that converts linux syscalls to windows > > syscalls... > > > > Native bash, rsync, etc... without cygwin. > > > > Well, this will make backing up my wife's machine a bit easier now that > > it'll be running sshd. > > > > Tim.

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Re: [Wlug] Microsoft supporting linux userspace programs in windows 10?
by Tim Keller March 30, 2016

March 30, 2016

As one of my co-workers pointed out... the MS file model is fundamentally incompatible with the linux model. Try renaming a file in windows that someone else has open... try deleting a file someone has open. There are lots and lots of linux programs that do that last trick... create a temp file, open it and then delete it... use it for scratch space and then when they close it... *poof* it's gone. On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Dennis Payne <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> wrote: > Interesting but I don't see much point. Yes it may be technically > interesting but from an end user perspective why use this over cygwin. I > imagine any graphical application won't work. If they did make it support > SDL, gtk, etc., I'd be interested. Granted on a new machine I might install > it instead of cygwin if it was easier to install. > > On Wed, 2016-03-30 at 15:49 -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > > > https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/03/30/ubuntu-on-windows-the-ubuntu-userspa… > > They've written a wrapper that converts linux syscalls to windows > syscalls... > > Native bash, rsync, etc... without cygwin. > > Well, this will make backing up my wife's machine a bit easier now that > it'll be running sshd. > > Tim. > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing listWlug@mail.wlug.orghttp://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Microsoft supporting linux userspace programs in windows 10?
by Dennis Payne March 30, 2016

March 30, 2016

Interesting but I don't see much point. Yes it may be technically interesting but from an end user perspective why use this over cygwin. I imagine any graphical application won't work. If they did make it support SDL, gtk, etc., I'd be interested. Granted on a new machine I might install it instead of cygwin if it was easier to install. On Wed, 2016-03-30 at 15:49 -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/03/30/ubuntu-on-windows-the-ubuntu-u > serspace-for-windows-developers/ > > They've written a wrapper that converts linux syscalls to windows > syscalls... > > Native bash, rsync, etc... without cygwin. > > Well, this will make backing up my wife's machine a bit easier now > that it'll be running sshd. > > Tim. > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Microsoft supporting linux userspace programs in windows 10?
by Tim Keller March 30, 2016

March 30, 2016

https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/03/30/ubuntu-on-windows-the-ubuntu-userspa… They've written a wrapper that converts linux syscalls to windows syscalls... Native bash, rsync, etc... without cygwin. Well, this will make backing up my wife's machine a bit easier now that it'll be running sshd. Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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Re: [Wlug] Block-level remote file sync?
by Keith Wright March 29, 2016

March 29, 2016

Chris <wolcen(a)riseup.net> writes: > Thanks in advance! Hope you are all well. > --Chris > > PS - LibrePlanet was pretty fun :) Fine, thank you. -- Keith PS: I was there, at least on Saturday. Were you hiding, or do I not know what Chris looks like? Hint: the law of excluded middle is irrelevant, as is relevance logic. Answer: Give up? B the latter, and/or both/either A, the former, and/or B. PPS: I suppose I could Google what LOPSA stands for, but I don't care.

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Next Meeting April 14th!
by Tim Keller March 29, 2016

March 29, 2016

Hey Gang, The next meeting is going to be April 14th. I've put a couple of feelers out for speakers but nothing has solidified yet. If there's something people would like to talk about, I'd be game! Here are couple of topics that people might find interesting: Home security using Zone Alarm Hadoop FOSS Databases Let me know what you think. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

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LOPSA-East '16 Early Bird Registration extended
by LOPSA-East '16 March 29, 2016

March 29, 2016

The “*please fasten you seatbelt sign*” is on and LOPSA-NJ is happy to announce that registration for the 2016 LOPSA-East conference is *OPEN*. Early Bird pricing is a great deal and will be available till March 25th. We have some great classes and talks this year and we hope you all can join us. There are many discounts that you can find out about at http://lopsaeast.org/2016/lopsa-east-costs/#dis Our Friday night Keynote will be Tanya Reilly who has been a Site Reliability Engineer at Google since 2005, working on low level infrastructure like distributed locking, load balancing, bootstrapping and monitoring systems. Before Google, she worked as a Systems Administrator at eircom.net, Ireland’s largest ISP, and before that she was the entire IT Department for a small software house. She likes writing Go, building Lego spaceships, and predicting how things will break.” “Does technical debt turn your small changes into minefields? Does your production environment expect perfect humans? This talk highlights tools, configuration and documentation that set us up for failure. It advocates for removing traps, so that you don’t have to waste brain cycles on remembering where they are. And it offers practical advice for sending your future self (and future coworkers!) gifts, instead of post mortems that just say “human error :-(”. Includes stories of preventable outages. Bring your schadenfreude.” We will be announcing some new great things going on later as the conference gets closer. One of the things that was brought up in the feed back from the past few years is a get together on Thursday night for those in the area or arriving early so we will be opening up the bag stuffing party to all. More details on this will be added to the website as the time gets closer. Friday night we will have the Birds-Of-a-Feathers again this year as well as a Cards Against Humanity game for anyone who wants to join and a few more fun things that make LOPSA-East different from other area conferences. We can’t wait to see you all in May at the LOPSA-East Conference. Remember to reserve your room at the Hyatt Regency New Brunswick at the group rate of $129 single/double plus tax. When the rooms in the LOPSA-East block are sold out, requests will be handled on a space-available basis at the hotel’s standard rate. Make your reservations early! To reserve your room on the web go to https://aws.passkey.com/g/51094713 If you have any questions or ideas you would like to ask or discuses please email me at wbilancio(a)lopsanj.org. <wbilancio(a)bilancio.org>

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Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues
by Gary Hanley March 25, 2016

March 25, 2016

Yes, that's what I was doing but after I chose this the Mint installer wasn't seeing any partitions. Removed GPT record with gdisk and that fixed it. On 03/25/2016 11:49 AM, John Stoffel wrote: > You're talking about the MINT installer, right? In any case, I think > you need to make sure that you boot into Win10, shrink the C:\ drive > and leave free space on the disk. > > The in the mint installer you need to select the custom disk > partitioning scheme, since you need to find and select the space by > hand. >

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Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues
by Gary Hanley March 25, 2016

March 25, 2016

Yeah, I should know better. I was beat up and frustrated at the time. Sorry. The root of my problem was that I couldn't find any options in the BIOS to manipulate the Secure Boot/UEFI/Legacy stuff. However, I found them this morning after I selected an option that I assumed to be unrelated which unlocked them. Thank you, Gigabyte. So I'm making progress now but I'm still not out of the woods yet. I've got Windows installed with space partitioned for LM but now I'm working on getting the installer to recognize the Windows partition. It thinks I have the entire disk available. Damn. Keep digging.... Thanks for the BLOG link. Looks interesting. I'll check it out. On 03/25/2016 09:54 AM, John Stoffel wrote: > Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side > Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell > Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace > Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for > Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power > Gary> consumption. > > Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I don't > Gary> like to build these any more. > > Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, > Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install > Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. > > You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no > one will be able to help you. > > For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any > problems on this board? > > I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? > > So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new > bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke > both I suspect. > > Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for > Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an > Gary> Intel I5 6400). > > Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, > Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding > Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? > > Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they > have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around > it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... > > Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I > Gary> hope not. > > Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's > possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow > non-signed keys to boot. > > Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI > maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's > Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: > > https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org > > It might have some pointers. > > > But please, more details would help us help you. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues
by John Stoffel March 25, 2016

March 25, 2016

Gary> Yeah, I should know better. I was beat up and frustrated at the time. Gary> Sorry. Been there! :-) Gary> The root of my problem was that I couldn't find any options in Gary> the BIOS to manipulate the Secure Boot/UEFI/Legacy stuff. Gary> However, I found them this morning after I selected an option Gary> that I assumed to be unrelated which unlocked them. Thank you, Gary> Gigabyte. Gigabyte is usually a good bet, but I'm sure the crack monkeys who write the firmware and setup the menus weren't thinking well that day. Gary> So I'm making progress now but I'm still not out of the woods Gary> yet. I've got Windows installed with space partitioned for LM Gary> but now I'm working on getting the installer to recognize the Gary> Windows partition. It thinks I have the entire disk available. Gary> Damn. Keep digging.... You're talking about the MINT installer, right? In any case, I think you need to make sure that you boot into Win10, shrink the C:\ drive and leave free space on the disk. The in the mint installer you need to select the custom disk partitioning scheme, since you need to find and select the space by hand. Gary> Thanks for the BLOG link. Looks interesting. I'll check it out. It is interestingm, though I suspect not directly applicable in this case. You're closer now, which is good! Gary> On 03/25/2016 09:54 AM, John Stoffel wrote: Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power Gary> consumption. >> Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I don't Gary> like to build these any more. >> Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. >> >> You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no >> one will be able to help you. >> >> For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any >> problems on this board? >> >> I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? >> >> So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new >> bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke >> both I suspect. >> Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an Gary> Intel I5 6400). >> Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? >> >> Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they >> have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around >> it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... >> Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I Gary> hope not. >> >> Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's >> possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow >> non-signed keys to boot. >> >> Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI >> maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's >> Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: >> >> https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org >> >> It might have some pointers. >> >> >> But please, more details would help us help you. >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> Gary> _______________________________________________ Gary> Wlug mailing list Gary> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Gary> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues
by Gary Hanley March 25, 2016

March 25, 2016

Yes, I have that disabled now. Windows installed first. On 03/25/2016 10:15 AM, Randall Mason wrote: > You have turned off secure boot, right? Which OS is working right > now? Can you run grub manually from the UEFI prompt? Can you get to > the UEFI prompt? Are you trying to install Windows second after a > successful Linux install? > > Randall Mason > clashthebunny(a)gmail.com <mailto:clashthebunny@gmail.com> > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org > <mailto:rich@richardklein.org>> wrote: > > Have you considered picking one OS, then running the other in a > virtual machine? > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:54 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org > <mailto:john@stoffel.org>> wrote: > > > Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side > Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a > headache I fell > Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to > replace > Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working > fine for > Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less > power > Gary> consumption. > > Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I > remembered why I don't > Gary> like to build these any more. > > Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered > resolved, > Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to > install > Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. > > You really really really need to give more details here, > otherwise no > one will be able to help you. > > For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself > without any > problems on this board? > > I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? > > So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new > bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke > both I suspect. > > Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for > Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX > with an > Gary> Intel I5 6400). > > Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific > instructions, > Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines > regarding > Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? > > Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs > where they > have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way > around > it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... > > Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my > setup but I > Gary> hope not. > > Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's > possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow > non-signed keys to boot. > > Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI > maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh > wait, it's > Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: > > https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org > > It might have some pointers. > > > But please, more details would help us help you. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues
by Gary Hanley March 25, 2016

March 25, 2016

That might be an option if I'm not able to get them installed the way I prefer. On 03/25/2016 10:10 AM, Richard Klein wrote: > Have you considered picking one OS, then running the other in a > virtual machine? > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:54 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org > <mailto:john@stoffel.org>> wrote: > > > Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side > Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell > Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace > Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for > Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power > Gary> consumption. > > Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered > why I don't > Gary> like to build these any more. > > Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, > Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install > Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. > > You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no > one will be able to help you. > > For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any > problems on this board? > > I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? > > So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new > bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke > both I suspect. > > Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for > Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an > Gary> Intel I5 6400). > > Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, > Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding > Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? > > Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they > have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around > it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... > > Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my > setup but I > Gary> hope not. > > Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's > possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow > non-signed keys to boot. > > Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI > maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's > Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: > > https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org > > It might have some pointers. > > > But please, more details would help us help you. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues
by Randall Mason March 25, 2016

March 25, 2016

You have turned off secure boot, right? Which OS is working right now? Can you run grub manually from the UEFI prompt? Can you get to the UEFI prompt? Are you trying to install Windows second after a successful Linux install? Randall Mason clashthebunny(a)gmail.com On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > Have you considered picking one OS, then running the other in a virtual > machine? > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:54 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >> >> Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side >> Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell >> Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace >> Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for >> Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power >> Gary> consumption. >> >> Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I >> don't >> Gary> like to build these any more. >> >> Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, >> Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install >> Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. >> >> You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no >> one will be able to help you. >> >> For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any >> problems on this board? >> >> I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? >> >> So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new >> bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke >> both I suspect. >> >> Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for >> Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an >> Gary> Intel I5 6400). >> >> Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, >> Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding >> Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? >> >> Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they >> have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around >> it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... >> >> Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I >> Gary> hope not. >> >> Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's >> possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow >> non-signed keys to boot. >> >> Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI >> maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's >> Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: >> >> https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org >> >> It might have some pointers. >> >> >> But please, more details would help us help you. >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

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Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues
by Richard Klein March 25, 2016

March 25, 2016

Have you considered picking one OS, then running the other in a virtual machine? On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:54 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side > Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell > Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace > Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for > Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power > Gary> consumption. > > Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I > don't > Gary> like to build these any more. > > Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, > Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install > Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. > > You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no > one will be able to help you. > > For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any > problems on this board? > > I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? > > So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new > bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke > both I suspect. > > Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for > Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an > Gary> Intel I5 6400). > > Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, > Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding > Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? > > Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they > have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around > it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... > > Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I > Gary> hope not. > > Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's > possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow > non-signed keys to boot. > > Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI > maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's > Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: > > https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org > > It might have some pointers. > > > But please, more details would help us help you. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues
by John Stoffel March 25, 2016

March 25, 2016

Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power Gary> consumption. Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I don't Gary> like to build these any more. Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no one will be able to help you. For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any problems on this board? I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke both I suspect. Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an Gary> Intel I5 6400). Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I Gary> hope not. Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow non-signed keys to boot. Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org It might have some pointers. But please, more details would help us help you. John

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UEFI Blues
by Gary Hanley March 24, 2016

March 24, 2016

I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power consumption. So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I don't like to build these any more. I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an Intel I5 6400). So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I hope not. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- Gary

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