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problems with email to hotmail.com
by Bill Mills-Curran 30 Apr '02

30 Apr '02

I'm a Charter user, and something has changed between charter and hotmail so that I can no longer send email to hotmail.com accounts. I CAN send if I use Charter's web mail interface, but I much prefer to stick with pine. I suspect that the problem is that I'm behind a linksys router using private IP's and NAT. I've tried talking to Charter tech support, but they are worthless -- they just tell me that they only support Outlook email. I've tried configuring Pine so the it uses the Charter smtp server directly, but that doesn't seem to help, either. Right now, I'm using my local machine, and routing through Charter. Any ideas? TIA, Bill

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bug report
by Bill Mills-Curran 29 Apr '02

29 Apr '02

I need some advice on where to send a bug report. Here's what happened: I was accessing an SMB filesystem mounted "mount -t smbfs" when file accesses (things like "ls" and "cd") started producing "Segmentation fault" messages. I looked in my system log and found: Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: kernel BUG at dcache.c:128! Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: invalid operand: 0000 Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: CPU: 0 Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: EIP: 0010:[dput+43/384] Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: EIP: 0010:[<c014592b>] Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: EFLAGS: 00010282 Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: eax: 0000001c ebx: c0628c40 ecx: ffffffff edx: 00000000 Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: esi: c6dd18c0 edi: c2497bc0 ebp: c0628c40 esp: c5c89f54 Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: ds: 0018 es: 0018 ss: 0018 Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: Process tcsh (pid: 5018, stackpage=c5c89000) Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: Stack: c02128db c021297b 00000080 c3404c60 00000000 00000200 c3404c60 c3404c60 Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: c6dd18c0 c0134531 c0628c40 c3404c60 00000000 00000000 bffe8148 c0133603 Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: c3404c60 c625fc20 00000000 c3404c60 00000000 c3404c60 08119408 c0133653 Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: Call Trace: [error_table+42755/46744] [error_table+42915/46744] [fput+113/208] [filp_close+83/96] [sys_close+67/80] [system_call+51/56] Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: Call Trace: [<c02128db>] [<c021297b>] [<c0134531>] [<c0133603>] [<c0133653>] [<c010901b>] Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: Code: 0f 0b 83 c4 0c ff 0b 0f 94 c0 84 c0 0f 84 33 01 00 00 8d 43 I tried to dismount the suspect filesystem, but I couldn't -- filesystem busy, even though there were no live processes on it. Then, operations on other filesystems started failing, finally ending up with a frozen system. I power cycled, and everything is happy again. So, here's what I found in the MAINTAINERS file: SMB FILESYSTEM P: Urban Widmark M: urban(a)teststation.com W: http://samba.org/ L: samba(a)samba.org S: Maintained DEVICE FILESYSTEM P: Richard Gooch M: rgooch(a)atnf.csiro.au L: linux-kernel(a)vger.kernel.org S: Maintained BTW, I'm running RedHat 7.1. So, who do I tell? TIA, Bill Mills-Curran

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Whee! MIT Flea
by desdinova＠soupforare.net 24 Apr '02

24 Apr '02

::Dances around:: Got so much great swag at the flea this time ^_^; Anyway, I picked up two Dolch 486DX/33s, on board scsi, 32meg for $15. It's been a loooong time since I've run linux on a 486 (slack 2.something, iirc) I'm thinking Debian potato would be alright? I most likely won't install X, but if I do, I'll use X3.foo with a minimalist windowmanager... Any suggestions? It's going to be alot of shoehorning for sure. I won't lie, I haven't ran a linux system since my P200 died, she was a fileserver and random-use machine. So, getting these running would be great so I could fool around at work during slow hours. Thanks, James KB1FJQ

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RE: [Wlug] Regarding M$ enforcement of licenses...
by Simoncini, Matthew 23 Apr '02

23 Apr '02

Hello, It's kind of interesting that an email about this very topic landed in my inbox this morning. Here's the link: http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/filters/specialreport/0,14622,6022528 ,00.html Good luck. Matthew On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:44:37 -0400, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: >In case you haven't heard, M$ is auditing a dozen or so large school >districts for compliance on licensing. Of course, this will be ugly and >will run one district an estimated $1,000,000 per year to comply with >M$. That's $1,000,000 more then they pay now. M$ is offering a simplified >arrangement whereby a school system pays a flat fee for every Intel box >(regardless of what it might actually be running) that would run that same >district about $30,000. You can see where this is headed! > >Aside from noting that people's dishonesty about paying the real costs >associated with M$ software has gotten them into this trouble (if only >because the real costs are not apparent to "management"), I'm wondering >what is available as a real alternative to M$ for the great unwashed masses. > >Of course, the answer I would expect to hear is "Linux!", but... > >I'm talking about a solution that is useable by those who are not rabid >members of a LUG, or Sys admins in their day job. I'm talking about >productivity software that will seamlessly read and write M$ file formats >(Excel, Word, etc.). I don't know, for example, if Star Office is a real >alternative because I don't know how well it interoperates with those who >use Word, for example, on a daily basis. Perhaps there is a solution that >will reliably run M$ applications without having to buy the OS, but that is >only a step in the right direction. > >I was hoping to hear suggestions about what is out there and if Linux is >ready to work seamlessly in heterogeneous High-Tech world. This might be a >good topic for one of the WLUG meetings... > >Steve > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Regarding M$ enforcement of licenses...
by Stephen C. Daukas 23 Apr '02

23 Apr '02

In case you haven't heard, M$ is auditing a dozen or so large school districts for compliance on licensing. Of course, this will be ugly and will run one district an estimated $1,000,000 per year to comply with M$. That's $1,000,000 more then they pay now. M$ is offering a simplified arrangement whereby a school system pays a flat fee for every Intel box (regardless of what it might actually be running) that would run that same district about $30,000. You can see where this is headed! Aside from noting that people's dishonesty about paying the real costs associated with M$ software has gotten them into this trouble (if only because the real costs are not apparent to "management"), I'm wondering what is available as a real alternative to M$ for the great unwashed masses. Of course, the answer I would expect to hear is "Linux!", but... I'm talking about a solution that is useable by those who are not rabid members of a LUG, or Sys admins in their day job. I'm talking about productivity software that will seamlessly read and write M$ file formats (Excel, Word, etc.). I don't know, for example, if Star Office is a real alternative because I don't know how well it interoperates with those who use Word, for example, on a daily basis. Perhaps there is a solution that will reliably run M$ applications without having to buy the OS, but that is only a step in the right direction. I was hoping to hear suggestions about what is out there and if Linux is ready to work seamlessly in heterogeneous High-Tech world. This might be a good topic for one of the WLUG meetings... Steve

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RE: [Wlug] shot power supply?
by dibb_jim＠emc.com 22 Apr '02

22 Apr '02

Most drives require +5 and + 12 volt supplies. Some newer (very new) drives only require +12V. -----Original Message----- From: bryon3245(a)netzero.com [mailto:bryon3245@netzero.com] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 1:54 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] shot power supply? I have a Dell Dimension 4100 and I am pretty sure that the power supply is shot. I was wondering if there are any tests that I can do to make sure that it is the power supply and not something else. I am sure that there is nothing wrong with the power cord. When I plug in the cord and push the power button nothing happens and nothing lights up. I was also wondering why there are four cords going to each drive. I know it needs a positive and negative and posibly a ground but what is the last one for. What does each cord do? Is it possible to replace it with a generic PSU becuase i heard that only dell ones will work with a dell computer. Thanks -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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shot power supply?
by bryon3245＠netzero.com 22 Apr '02

22 Apr '02

I have a Dell Dimension 4100 and I am pretty sure that the power supply is shot. I was wondering if there are any tests that I can do to make sure that it is the power supply and not something else. I am sure that there is nothing wrong with the power cord. When I plug in the cord and push the power button nothing happens and nothing lights up. I was also wondering why there are four cords going to each drive. I know it needs a positive and negative and posibly a ground but what is the last one for. What does each cord do? Is it possible to replace it with a generic PSU becuase i heard that only dell ones will work with a dell computer. Thanks -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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I hate crackers (not the kind you eat)
by Wesley Allen 19 Apr '02

19 Apr '02

OK, Looking at my log file from my firewall reveals that not I've got people trying to through my firewall from... 66.189.81.226 (and 246) (http connect attempts) 62.163.126.100 (same domain as yesterday) How do I track them back to the ISP's and send a message to their abuse@ address? Someone's trying to ping me from 66.189.24.226 as well. Am I being paranoid or could my isp be trying to crack my firewall to see if I've got any servers running? Time to batten down the hatches... Wes

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Motherboard Monitor
by Michael Frysinger 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

are there any utilities out there that you guys know of that work with the sensors that motherboards have ? i'm looking for something that can obtain CPU temperature, fan rpm's, and all that other fun stuff ... at this point i just want something so i can read those values ... i dont need any fancy programs really ... -mike

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netbus attack...
by Wesley Allen 17 Apr '02

17 Apr '02

Hi, my firewall is detecting a "netbus attack" from an external source. Anyway I can basically refuse connections? Nothing's gotten through yet, but it's a pain to see someone doing it and I'd like to smack them around a bit. Any ideas? Wes

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FOR SALE
by jeff 17 Apr '02

17 Apr '02

heya guys... times are tough...have to sell some stuff to stay afloat... so here goes... System A (workstation): HP Pavilion 8570C Pentium III 450 Mhz (Katmai) 192 MB Ram Voodoo 3/3000 Video Soundblaster Live! Value Linksys LNE100TX Ethernet 20 Gig Quantum Fireball IDE HD 32x CD-ROM HP CD-Writer Plus 8100 Series CDRW Floppy Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Speaker System (3-Way) HP Deskjet printer (no ink - very nice though) Samsung 753DF 17" monitor HP Internet Style Keyboard Logitech Firstmouse a little wear and tear but runs fine...have installed Win98SE and Mandrake/Red Hat/Debian several times with no problems... System B (router): Generic Case Doosey AMD K6-2 450 64 MB RAM Voodoo 3/2000 Video Soundblaster Live! Value 2X Netgear FA311 Ethernet 20 Gig Maxtor IDE HD No CDROM Floppy Desktop Speakers (generic) Visio (oldie) 15" color monitor same deal...a little wear and tear...but it's still up and running...i think uname -a was like over 100 days now...running debian 2.2r5 w/2.4.18 kernel...a mini-beast...runs fine... AND, if you act now, i'll include at least 10 xtra 20' CAT-5 cables to wire your dorm/apartment AND my linksys 4-port hub for FREE!!! (crowd ooh's and aah's) as is...must go...play with it first if you like...make an offer if you're interested! THANKS! -jeff MWBLUG (508)792-6070

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3D and Laptop
by Dennis Payne 13 Apr '02

13 Apr '02

Anyone have any recommendations for a linux laptop with 3D hardware acceleration? I'm not particularly interested in the closed source nvidia drivers so I'm leaning towards the Radeon 7500. Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com

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RE: [Wlug] Sharp's Linux PDA
by Marc Hughes 12 Apr '02

12 Apr '02

I got to play with one of these at linux world. I saw ssh working over wireless networking on one of them... definatly linux, definatly cool. The interface is QT-Embeded, but you can find way more about it here: http://www.sharp-usa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,699,00.html http://developer.sharpsec.com/ -Marc -----Original Message----- From: Stephen C. Daukas [mailto:stephen@daukas.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:13 PM To: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Sharp's Linux PDA I hear it runs "embedix", some embedded version of Linux... Anyone have any particulars on this unit, roomers, hearsay, etc.? Steve _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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REMINDER: Upcoming WLUG meeting
by Andy Stewart 09 Apr '02

09 Apr '02

HI everybody, This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting which will be held this coming Thursday, April 11th, at 7 PM in Kinnicutt Hall at the WPI campus in Worcester, MA. At this meeting, WLUG member Tim Keller will describe to us a problem he had with Linux and how he chose to modify his copy of the Linux kernel to add a new signal to solve the problem. This talk will cover some kernel internals and programming. A more detailed abstract can be found on the WLUG website. There will be a raffle as well. Addison Wesley sent me a copy of a book entitled "Embedded Linux - Hardware, Software, and Interfacing" which I'll give to the lucky raffle winner. There is no cost to be in the raffle. I'd also like to entertain a discussion regarding content for future meetings. Here are some thoughts which I had: a) bakeoff between VMware, Win4Lin, and Bochs b) KDE3 c) representative from FSF to discuss GPL and free software d) Maddog e) SuSE 8.0 Please think about this and bring your thoughts to the meeting. If you're bashful or unable to attend the meeting, send them to me via e-mail. Afterwards, we'll make our ever popular pilgrimage to the Boynton Restaurant for pizza and beer, good Linux talk, bashing of evil empires, and the like. We always have a great time so if you've never joined us after a meeting, now would be a good time to start! See ya later, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

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Re: Wlug digest, Vol 1 #292 - 2 msgs
by JRame17173＠aol.com 09 Apr '02

09 Apr '02

Please be advised, my e-mail address has changed. It is now rame620(a)charter.net. Thanks, Jim

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Linux and NTFS on XP
by John 09 Apr '02

09 Apr '02

In Linux dual boot systems you can mount the Win98 side drive to read and write using vfat. Question, if you run Win2000 or XP with a NTFS type file system can you still access the drives from the Linux side.

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RBL access
by Chuck Homic 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

Hey, guys. I'm getting quite a lot of crap email these days, ever since ORBS/ORBL & Co. disappeared, and MAPS went to a fee-based service. (I'm really not planning to pay $200/yr for a single blackhole list.) I was never really crazy about MAPS to begin with, because they tried too hard to be "fair." ;) ORBS was hyper-aggressive, and rocked. (About 80% of my crap email was filtered by ORBS, and I had special pre-RBL filters that extracted mail from friends using bad ISP's with open relays.) Anyway, is anyone using (or know of) a freely-queriable RBL? Although it's fun to upgrade the keyword filter, it would be easier if I only had to do it for exceptions. BTW, for the curious, my daily haul of junk mail varies from 20 to 40 messages. Can anyone beat that? -Chuck

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Redundant Mail....
by wlug＠beakerware.net 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

I couldn't think of a better way of phrasing it. I'm running Courier for incoming SMTP, POP3, IMAP, and webmail. The mail itself is stored using Maildirs in user's home directory. Short of running something like rsync between my primary box and backup, is their any good way of getting redundancy into the picture here? I already have the backup box setup as a relay in case the primary goes down, but that doesn't make the mail any closer to the user.... -mike

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RE: [Wlug] Problems dropping telnet sessions
by Simoncini, Matthew 05 Apr '02

05 Apr '02

I executed the iptables -L command and got the following output: Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination I'm not really that familiar with firewalls in linux, but I would assume that iptables is running without rules? I also noticed that it's not one particular host that bumps me out of telnet, but all connections and all hosts. The network folks don't know (or maybe they do) that I'm running linux on the network, but is there a way for them to periodically reset the port I'm using in the data closet? This is really quite interesting to me, so any input is very helpful. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Theo Van Dinter [mailto:felicity@kluge.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:11 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Problems dropping telnet sessions On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 09:36:00AM -0500, Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > Anyone have this type of problem or more importantly, can someone point me > in the right direction? My first two thoughts are: iptables times out your connection for some reason, or the remote side has an autologout value set. Is there a firewall setup on your box? You can do "iptables -L" to find out. As for autologout, I would think this would have affected you before, but it's something to rule out anyway. What shell are you using on the remote machines? If it's a csh variant, run "echo $autologout" and see what it comes back with. If it comes back with a defined non-0 value, that is a likely cause of your problem. Run "set autologout=0" and see if that fixes your problem. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Note that if I can get you to \"su and say\" something just by asking, you have a very serious security problem on your system and you should look into it." (By Paul Vixie, vixie-cron 3.0.1 installation notes) _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] next meeting
by Keller, Tim 05 Apr '02

05 Apr '02

Yup, actually I'm doing a presentation on writing a system call for the linux kernel. Speaking of which, I need to get back to working on my presentation... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Venier [mailto:scott@scooter.cx] Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:23 AM To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' Subject: RE: [Wlug] next meeting Any chance we have a topic yet? Scott On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Keller, Tim wrote: > Yup, at last check the 11th is still on! > > Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Goblaskas, Dana [mailto:goblaskasd@grafton.k12.ma.us] > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:18 AM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] next meeting > > > Hello, > > I just wanted to check if the meeting for April 11th is > still on. I have a few students in a computer science > independent study who are interested in attending. If the > meeting is still going to take place 4/11 at 7:00pm, please > e-mail me back and let me know. > > Thank you! > > Dana > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [Wlug] next meeting
by Keller, Tim 05 Apr '02

05 Apr '02

Yup, at last check the 11th is still on! Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Goblaskas, Dana [mailto:goblaskasd@grafton.k12.ma.us] Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:18 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] next meeting Hello, I just wanted to check if the meeting for April 11th is still on. I have a few students in a computer science independent study who are interested in attending. If the meeting is still going to take place 4/11 at 7:00pm, please e-mail me back and let me know. Thank you! Dana _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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next meeting
by Goblaskas, Dana 05 Apr '02

05 Apr '02

Hello, I just wanted to check if the meeting for April 11th is still on. I have a few students in a computer science independent study who are interested in attending. If the meeting is still going to take place 4/11 at 7:00pm, please e-mail me back and let me know. Thank you! Dana

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RE: [Wlug] CPU & Bad NFS Question
by Marc Hughes 04 Apr '02

04 Apr '02

Also, forgot to mention it ... any ideas on how to make this not happen in the first place? -Marc -----Original Message----- From: Marc Hughes Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 3:11 PM To: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] CPU & Bad NFS Question So yesterday I had an nfs mount go bad (thought it would be a great idea to just use nfs for a few minutes to do some file comparisons across machines) .. And since then the CPU utilizaion on the machine has been pegged out. The machine still is very responsive. When the mount went bad ... I couldn't do anything with any process that was using anything on that volume. I tried a bunch of stuff, but eventually just shut down NFS (so the processes got an I/O error and died) and did an "umount -f" on that volume. Any ideas on how to make this better? -Marc CPU0 states: 14.0% user, 85.0% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle CPU1 states: 50.0% user, 50.0% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle Mem: 1048088K av, 1023836K used, 24252K free, 0K shrd, 45404K buff Swap: 1052248K av, 148K used, 1052100K free 763964K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE LC STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 20099 hughesm 16 0 940 940 696 3 R 2.6 0.0 0:00 top 20074 root 2 0 1716 1704 1188 2 S 0.3 0.1 0:00 sshd 1 root 0 0 484 484 408 3 S 0.0 0.0 2:31 init 2 root 0 0 0 0 0 2 SW 0.0 0.0 0:18 kflushd 3 root 0 0 0 0 0 2 SW 0.0 0.0 9:22 kupdate 4 root 0 0 0 0 0 2 SW 0.0 0.0 9:00 kswapd _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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CPU & Bad NFS Question
by Marc Hughes 04 Apr '02

04 Apr '02

So yesterday I had an nfs mount go bad (thought it would be a great idea to just use nfs for a few minutes to do some file comparisons across machines) .. And since then the CPU utilizaion on the machine has been pegged out. The machine still is very responsive. When the mount went bad ... I couldn't do anything with any process that was using anything on that volume. I tried a bunch of stuff, but eventually just shut down NFS (so the processes got an I/O error and died) and did an "umount -f" on that volume. Any ideas on how to make this better? -Marc CPU0 states: 14.0% user, 85.0% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle CPU1 states: 50.0% user, 50.0% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle Mem: 1048088K av, 1023836K used, 24252K free, 0K shrd, 45404K buff Swap: 1052248K av, 148K used, 1052100K free 763964K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE LC STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 20099 hughesm 16 0 940 940 696 3 R 2.6 0.0 0:00 top 20074 root 2 0 1716 1704 1188 2 S 0.3 0.1 0:00 sshd 1 root 0 0 484 484 408 3 S 0.0 0.0 2:31 init 2 root 0 0 0 0 0 2 SW 0.0 0.0 0:18 kflushd 3 root 0 0 0 0 0 2 SW 0.0 0.0 9:22 kupdate 4 root 0 0 0 0 0 2 SW 0.0 0.0 9:00 kswapd

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ADV: Harvest lots of Email addresses quickly
by eyou321 04 Apr '02

04 Apr '02

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