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Reminder: Meeting Tonight!! Topic: Andy's Ham Radio, Location: Techncopia at 7PM!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, Here's the details for our meeting tonight!! Date / Time: 2026-09-10 @7PM Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland Ave, Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Andy's Ham Radio Linux Speaker: Andy Stewart WLUG Founder Andy Stewart will be giving a talk about "Andy's Ham Radio Linux", a popular collection of Free and Open Source Software related to ham radio. You need not know much (if anything) about ham radio to benefit from this talk. Andy will present a high level overview of things that are done with ham radios, and how Linux software helps with the enjoyment of the hobby. Andy Stewart holds an Amateur Extra class ham radio license (KB1OIQ), and has been active in that hobby for 20 years. He has been a Linux enthusiast since the late 1990s. After retiring from a long and successful career as a digital logic verification engineer in 2024, Andy has spent a lot more time promoting Linux and ham radio. As usual after the meeting we'll head off for dinner to keep the conversation going! A couple people have asked about parking.. You can park in the parking lot next to Technocopia that has the loading docks. Thanks, Tim.

Sept. 10, 2026

Re: New WLUG web site

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Lam via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: So I've updated the about page to spell out Tim's email. We should probably make it 'president(a)wlug.org' instead down the line. And it looks like Tim has removed the out of date "Meetup group" stuff since we're not using or paying for it any more. John > Minor fix but of big importance: the "please contact Tim Keller" on the About > page has no link or better a text-based obfuscated e-mail address associated > with it. On the home page, the "WLUG now has a Meetup group: URL" doesn't link > anywhere either. > Cheers, > Michael > On Wed, Mar 25, 2026 at 2:02 PM Joe Sherman via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > Looks ok to me > On Wed, Mar 25, 2026, 1:53 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > Guys, > I'm working on migrating the old WLUG website from the old non-https > server to a new Ubuntu 24.04 LTS based system with proper HTTPs > support, and using the 'grav' flatfile CMS for simpler management. > Can people take a look at 'https://wlug.stoffel.org' and give me some > feedback on how they like the look? Or do we really care? > Cheers, > John > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BHA6G… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5XMDT… > -- > Michael Lam, Ph.D. > astromlam(a)gmail.com > Research Scientist > Carl Sagan Center for Research > SETI Institute > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/23IT6…

Sept. 9, 2026

Re: New WLUG web site

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Lam via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Minor fix but of big importance: the "please contact Tim Keller" on the About > page has no link or better a text-based obfuscated e-mail address associated > with it. On the home page, the "WLUG now has a Meetup group: URL" doesn't link > anywhere either. I'll fix this up! > Cheers, > Michael > On Wed, Mar 25, 2026 at 2:02 PM Joe Sherman via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > Looks ok to me > On Wed, Mar 25, 2026, 1:53 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > Guys, > I'm working on migrating the old WLUG website from the old non-https > server to a new Ubuntu 24.04 LTS based system with proper HTTPs > support, and using the 'grav' flatfile CMS for simpler management. > Can people take a look at 'https://wlug.stoffel.org' and give me some > feedback on how they like the look? Or do we really care? > Cheers, > John > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BHA6G… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5XMDT… > -- > Michael Lam, Ph.D. > astromlam(a)gmail.com > Research Scientist > Carl Sagan Center for Research > SETI Institute > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/23IT6…

Sept. 9, 2026

Next Meeting!! Sept. 10th, 2026: Topic: Andy's Ham Radio Linux! Speaker: Andy Stewart

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, Here's the details for our next meeting: Date / Time: 2026-09-10 @7PM Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland Ave, Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Andy's Ham Radio Linux Speaker: Andy Stewart WLUG Founder Andy Stewart will be giving a talk about "Andy's Ham Radio Linux", a popular collection of Free and Open Source Software related to ham radio. You need not know much (if anything) about ham radio to benefit from this talk. Andy will present a high level overview of things that are done with ham radios, and how Linux software helps with the enjoyment of the hobby. Andy Stewart holds an Amateur Extra class ham radio license (KB1OIQ), and has been active in that hobby for 20 years. He has been a Linux enthusiast since the late 1990s. After retiring from a long and successful career as a digital logic verification engineer in 2024, Andy has spent a lot more time promoting Linux and ham radio. As usual after the meeting we'll head off for dinner to keep the conversation going! A couple people have asked about parking.. You can park in the parking lot next to Technocopia that has the loading docks. Thanks, Tim.

Sept. 3, 2026

Reminder! WLUG Meeting This Thursday (August 13th), Topic: Kali Linux

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting this week! Date & Time: August 13th, 2026 @ 7PM Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Kali Linux You need to hack yourself! Seriously. You only need to look at the news to see that every attack surface that can be touched and exploited is actively being targeted. Sure you could go find a dozen different tools and get them all installed and configured.. Or.. you could use Kali Linux: https://www.kali.org/ This is a one-stop-shop for pen testing. I'm going to show off some of the tools and features. As usual, after the meeting we'll head off to dinner and keep the conversation going. Thanks, Tim.

Aug. 12, 2026

Meeting this Thursday! July 9th, 2026 @7PM, Topic: Rust!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting this week! Date / Time: Thursday July 9th @7PM Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Rust Programming Language! Long time WLUGer Evan White will be giving a talk on the Rust programming language. Rust recently became a first class citizen in the linux kernel. Designed from the ground up to be type and memory safe it's the new cool kid on the block. Evan will be showing off what he's been doing with rust to wildly extend the functionality of the kobo e-reader. This talk will be oriented towards people who've never used rust before so he'll be getting into the brass tacks and showing us all why we should all abandon our crappy unsafe languages and go all in on rust! As usual after the meeting we'll head out for dinner and keep up the conversation. I hope to see you all there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 7, 2026

Reminder! WLUG Meeting June 11th @ 7PM Location: Techncopia

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting this Thursday, June 11th @7PM. Topic: TBD (Hit me up here or on Signal) Location: Technocopia Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA We'll definitely be talking about the continuing spate of Linux kernel vulnerabilities. Supply chain attacks on npm / pypi / etc. As usual, we'll head out for dinner and keep the conversation going. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 9, 2026

Re: Keith's mail issue

by Keith Wright

Thank you much for your incredibly prompt and detailed reply. Dick Goodman via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > This is all analogous to what I use successfully for my wife. I can successfully send a message to one or two gmail (or yahoo, hotmail...) addresses, the problem comes with the mailing list, which has about 50 @gmail.com. That sets them off. > To your points: > 1) I forward her incoming stuff (successfully) to Gmail with Procmail I don't know Procmail. Will look into it (ironically by google). > 2) I appreciate that everything worked for 20 years. When I get too nostalgic I think about my long lost draft card. -- Keith

May 31, 2026

Re: Keith's mail issue

by Dick Goodman

This is all analogous to what I use successfully for my wife. To your points: 1) skip the include if you like. My wife has aliased her mail on several domains to Google so she can mail from her phone I only provide her POP not IMAP. I forward her incoming stuff (successfully) to Gmail with Procmail 2) I appreciate that everything worked for 20 years. It did here also, until the last 2 years when Google and Yahoo (who now also does mail for AOL and Verizon) started changing the rules for what they would accept. Took me months. Still issues with Yahoo. Have read they don't follow the standards. 3) You must have an "a:" section in your spf record, it is the only way to tell Google what your valid server(s) is/are. It doesn't matter what you have done with GoDaddy. Also, despite what most documentation says, Google will NOT accept an "ipv4:" section instead of "a:' 4) Can't comment further without seeing what Google's bounce messages look like At 10:27 PM 5/30/2026, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: >Dick Goodman via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > >> I already have an SPF record which says: v=spf1 mx ~all, what's > > >> wrong with that? > > > > LOTS. It doesn't specify a valid server. try this > > > > "v=spf1 a:fcx2.keithdiane.us include:_spf.google.com ~all" > >I don't like to copy stuff I don't understand, so I have been reading >RFC's and log files. I don't see why "a:fcx2.keithdiane.us" would >help, since I already told the (godaddy) namesever > > mx @ fcx2.keithdiane.us. (Priority: 10) 1 Hour > >but it seemed harmless, so I put it in. No visible change. > >On the other hand "include:_spf.google.com" seems just wrong. I am >not trying to get gmail.com to send my mail, I want them to accept it. > >I am thinking that all those many various messages that say "gmail.com >requires DKIM, SPF, TLS, DMARC, etc. are a pile of crimson herring. >What they really mean is "gmail.com" does not want anyone else relaying >mail from gmail, no matter how. > >I notice that WLUG uses GNU Mailman, and that mail is modified, both >body and headers, and that seems to work. I have, for 20 years, just >been relaying mail unchanged. Maybe that simply does not work with the >corporate monopoly internet. Maybe I need to use Mailman or something >similar, so that the envelope MAIL FROM is rewritten to <mymail.org>. > >GNU Mailman seems rather complex for that one thing. Is the wizard who >set that up here on the WLUG list, or did you just delegate that? Is >there a simpler way? > > > If anybody cares what I have been working on, part of it is on this page: > > > > http://www.nerflings.org/none/fcs/vpsmove.html#gmail > > > > If you can answer any of the quesions at the end of that page you may be > > eligible to apply to be my hero. > > -- Keith >_______________________________________________ >WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >Change Settings: >https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >Web Forum/Archive: >https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5MQSY…

May 31, 2026

Re: Keith's mail issue

by Keith Wright

Dick Goodman via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> I already have an SPF record which says: v=spf1 mx ~all, what's > >> wrong with that? > > LOTS. It doesn't specify a valid server. try this > > "v=spf1 a:fcx2.keithdiane.us include:_spf.google.com ~all" I don't like to copy stuff I don't understand, so I have been reading RFC's and log files. I don't see why "a:fcx2.keithdiane.us" would help, since I already told the (godaddy) namesever mx @ fcx2.keithdiane.us. (Priority: 10) 1 Hour but it seemed harmless, so I put it in. No visible change. On the other hand "include:_spf.google.com" seems just wrong. I am not trying to get gmail.com to send my mail, I want them to accept it. I am thinking that all those many various messages that say "gmail.com requires DKIM, SPF, TLS, DMARC, etc. are a pile of crimson herring. What they really mean is "gmail.com" does not want anyone else relaying mail from gmail, no matter how. I notice that WLUG uses GNU Mailman, and that mail is modified, both body and headers, and that seems to work. I have, for 20 years, just been relaying mail unchanged. Maybe that simply does not work with the corporate monopoly internet. Maybe I need to use Mailman or something similar, so that the envelope MAIL FROM is rewritten to <mymail.org>. GNU Mailman seems rather complex for that one thing. Is the wizard who set that up here on the WLUG list, or did you just delegate that? Is there a simpler way? > If anybody cares what I have been working on, part of it is on this page: > > http://www.nerflings.org/none/fcs/vpsmove.html#gmail > > If you can answer any of the quesions at the end of that page you may be > eligible to apply to be my hero. -- Keith

May 31, 2026

Keith's mail issue

by Dick Goodman

>>I already have an SPF record which says: v=spf1 mx ~all, what's wrong with that? LOTS. It doesn't specify a valid server. try this "v=spf1 a:fcx2.keithdiane.us include:_spf.google.com ~all" Dick

May 21, 2026

Meeting Tomorrow!! May 21st. Topic: why does gmail hate me?

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Hey Everybody! > > We've got a meeting tomorrow! > Time: 7pm > Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA. > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA I hope to page in from my own virtual location. > Topic(s): > > I suspect we'll also talk about copy.fail and the other serious LPE's that have been > discovered lately using AI tools. I didn't know what that is, so I googled. I am glad the AI has finally passed its Language Proficiency Exam and joined Lambda Pi Epsilon. (Just joking. I know you are referring to CVE-2026-31431, which is easier to remember since it is so close to $\pi$.) Too damn many TLAs! Google also turned up this minority report: https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2026/05/18/problems-with-ai-assisted-vulner… If anybody cares what I have been working on, part of it is on this page: http://www.nerflings.org/none/fcs/vpsmove.html#gmail If you can answer any of the quesions at the end of that page you may be eligible to apply to be my hero. -- Keith

May 20, 2026

Meeting Tomorrow!! May 21st. Topic: Cisco hardware hacking / Claude

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting tomorrow! Time: 7pm Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic(s): Alex will talk about hacking Cisco hardware. Jenson will then talk about how he's using Claude in his workflow these days. I suspect we'll also talk about copy.fail and the other serious LPE's that have been discovered lately using AI tools. As usual it'll be a ruckus affair and lots of fun! After the meeting we'll head off for dinner amd keep the conversation going. Later, Tim.

May 20, 2026

May meeting moved to 21st.

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, I've got a scheduling conflict for the 14th, so this month's meeting will be on the 21st. Thanks, Tim.

May 6, 2026

Re: email imap fail2ban --- was Reminder!!!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> writes: > John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >> Sorry for the delay Keith, new job, life and such all got in the way. > I'm OK without a job, but it would be nice to have a life. Hahahahah! Touche' Keith! >> So for fail2ban, I would just do: >> sudo apt install nftables iptables >> and then check the logs and see if you still get the same warning. > Yes. I did that last week. Great, are you seeing the errors still? > See you in a few hours, jit.si gods willing. Hope to see you there!

April 9, 2026

Re: email imap fail2ban --- was Reminder!!!

by Keith Wright

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > Sorry for the delay Keith, new job, life and such all got in the way. I'm OK without a job, but it would be nice to have a life. > So for fail2ban, I would just do: > sudo apt install nftables iptables > and then check the logs and see if you still get the same warning. Yes. I did that last week. See you in a few hours, jit.si gods willing. -- Keith

April 9, 2026

Re: email imap fail2ban --- was Reminder!!!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Sorry for the delay Keith, new job, life and such all got in the way. > John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>> My big project for the past few weeks was begun in a hurry when the >>> company that hosts the VPS that runs both mail and web servers sent me a >>> message saying they are going out of business. >> >>> I got another; am sending this mail throught it. >> >>> The old SVP ran PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)" while >>> the new one "Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie)" >> >> Do you run dovecot for IMAP(s) access to your mail? Or do you just >> deliver it locally and read it using some other mail program? > I log into the VPS and use emacs (rmail-get-new-mail ... ...), which > is bound to a single keystroke, to copy mbox file from /var/... to > RMAIL in /home/kwright. Diane uses thunderbird on Windows which (I > think) uses imap to interact with dovecot on VPS. Nice! I haven't used rmail is years and years but I have fond memories. >> From time to time I use rsync to copy RMAIL@VPS to RMAIL@laptop > where I can read it again, write this reply, maybe copy it to > thumb drive or web page. >> I ask because with Trixie, dovecot was upgraded to v2.4.x and it's a >> big problem because the configuration language has been changed, and >> it's not as stable as the old 2.3.x version is, and some features have >> been pulled. > But that part seems to be working. Whatever Hostinger put in the > Debian boot image together with a few "apt install"s of my own, just > does it. Great, I'm happy to hear this. I assume you're wife also has a login on your VPS and she's using that username/password to access her email. >> So I'd be careful upgrading. I've been thinking about deployin >> "Mail-in-box" instead, just to get more spam filtering, and more >> integration with DNS, DKIM, SPF, rspam, etc. >> >> Doing mail well is a pain. > My current pain is fail2ban, which seems like a good idea but > seems to be having a fight with systemd. I'm using fail2ban and it works great. > I get error messages that seem to indicate I need to install nft > (nftables), otherwise fail2ban can put an IPaddr in jail, but that > has no effect. Yes, you need to install a firewall tool so that fail2ban can insert rules to drop packets/connections matching rules. I have both 'nftables' and 'iptables' installed. >>> There were several web pages that said that Debian 13 could not run >>> fail2ban without special configuration. Either they were just wrong or >>> it was fixed in some 13.N release. (Does anyone know how to see N?) >>> It seemed to install just fine. > I now think there is no N. Debian 13 is one thing, after that the > problem is to apt install (and configure) the right versions of postfix, > dovecot, fail2ban, and ... ... ... >>> But now I have learned enough to reach a higher plane of confusion. LOL! I understand, it's all so complicated. So for fail2ban, I would just do: sudo apt install nftables iptables and then check the logs and see if you still get the same warning. Can you also share your configuration? for example, I have the following: $ sudo fail2ban-client status Status |- Number of jail: 1 `- Jail list: sshd which shows that I have one jail setup for 'ssh' connections. To get more details I do: $ sudo fail2ban-client status sshd Status for the jail: sshd |- Filter | |- Currently failed: 2 | |- Total failed: 276156 | `- File list: /var/log/auth.log `- Actions |- Currently banned: 2 |- Total banned: 43350 `- Banned IP list: 87.251.64.144 80.66.66.70 But if you post the output of your exact log message, I'd be happy to help. Also post your fail2ban config info as well.

April 9, 2026

WLUG Meeting Tomorrow Thursday (4/9/2026) Topic: Ubuntu FIPS for you!

by Tim Keller

We've got a meeting Tomorrow! (4/9/2026) Date & Time: 4/9/2026 @ 7PM Location: Techncopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA 01453 Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Ubuntu FIPS for you! Speaker: Alex Wlug member Alex will be showing off his Ubuntu laptop running in full FIPS mode . What it does, how it does it and how you can do it too! We'll also be talking about the new website, merch and other fun stuff I'm sure! As usual, we'll head off for dinner afterwards and keep the conversation going. I hope to see you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 9, 2026

WLUG Meeting THIS Thursday! Topic: Security Oriented Linux

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting this Thursday (4/9/2026) Time: 7PM Location: Techncopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA 01453 Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Security Oriented Linux Speaker: Alex Wlug member Alex will be showing off his security oriented linux laptop. What it does, how it does it and how you can do it too! We'll also be talking about the new website, merch and other fun stuff I'm sure! As usual, we'll head off for dinner afterwards and keep the conversation going. I hope to see you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 7, 2026

email imap fail2ban --- was Reminder!!!

by Keith Wright

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> My big project for the past few weeks was begun in a hurry when the >> company that hosts the VPS that runs both mail and web servers sent me a >> message saying they are going out of business. > >> I got another; am sending this mail throught it. > >> The old SVP ran PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)" while >> the new one "Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie)" > > Do you run dovecot for IMAP(s) access to your mail? Or do you just > deliver it locally and read it using some other mail program? I log into the VPS and use emacs (rmail-get-new-mail ... ...), which is bound to a single keystroke, to copy mbox file from /var/... to RMAIL in /home/kwright. Diane uses thunderbird on Windows which (I think) uses imap to interact with dovecot on VPS. From time to time I use rsync to copy RMAIL@VPS to RMAIL@laptop where I can read it again, write this reply, maybe copy it to thumb drive or web page. > I ask because with Trixie, dovecot was upgraded to v2.4.x and it's a > big problem because the configuration language has been changed, and > it's not as stable as the old 2.3.x version is, and some features have > been pulled. But that part seems to be working. Whatever Hostinger put in the Debian boot image together with a few "apt install"s of my own, just does it. > So I'd be careful upgrading. I've been thinking about deployin > "Mail-in-box" instead, just to get more spam filtering, and more > integration with DNS, DKIM, SPF, rspam, etc. > > Doing mail well is a pain. My current pain is fail2ban, which seems like a good idea but seems to be having a fight with systemd. I get error messages that seem to indicate I need to install nft (nftables), otherwise fail2ban can put an IPaddr in jail, but that has no effect. >> There were several web pages that said that Debian 13 could not run >> fail2ban without special configuration. Either they were just wrong or >> it was fixed in some 13.N release. (Does anyone know how to see N?) >> It seemed to install just fine. I now think there is no N. Debian 13 is one thing, after that the problem is to apt install (and configure) the right versions of postfix, dovecot, fail2ban, and ... ... ... >> But now I have learned enough to reach a higher plane of confusion. > -- Keith

April 1, 2026

Re: Reminder!!! Meeting tomorrow! Topic: Macropads + Matrix + lots of other stuff!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> Methinks the Jitsi was never opened. I have up a few minutes ago. > Actually, I had nothing to do but sit with my laptop on top of my lap > and work on other things, so I left jit.si running and checked back. > About 7:45 they showed up in a new room with the meeting in progress. > I don't care much about crooked keyboards. WLUG meetings these days are > mostly a chance to test my sound and video, which I rarely use > otherwise. > My big project for the past few weeks was begun in a hurry when the > company that hosts the VPS that runs both mail and web servers sent me a > message saying they are going out of business. > I got another; am sending this mail throught it. > The old SVP ran PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)" while > the new one "Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie)" Do you run dovecot for IMAP(s) access to your mail? Or do you just deliver it locally and read it using some other mail program? I ask because with Trixie, dovecot was upgraded to v2.4.x and it's a big problem because the configuration language has been changed, and it's not as stable as the old 2.3.x version is, and some features have been pulled. So I'd be careful upgrading. I've been thinking about deploying "Mail-in-box" instead, just to get more spam filtering, and more integration with DNS, DKIM, SPF, rspam, etc. Doing mail well is a pain. > There were several web pages that said that Debian 13 could not run > fail2ban without special configuration. Either they were just wrong or > it was fixed in some 13.N release. (Does anyone know how to see N?) > It seemed to install just fine. > But now I have learned enough to reach a higher plane of confusion. > I had planned to ask a question, but in trying to ask it I have found > the answer; I just misread the man page and made a stupid typo. > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FAGKX…

April 1, 2026

Re: Reminder!!! Meeting tomorrow! Topic: Macropads + Matrix + lots of other stuff!

by Keith Wright

eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Methinks the Jitsi was never opened. I have up a few minutes ago. Actually, I had nothing to do but sit with my laptop on top of my lap and work on other things, so I left jit.si running and checked back. About 7:45 they showed up in a new room with the meeting in progress. I don't care much about crooked keyboards. WLUG meetings these days are mostly a chance to test my sound and video, which I rarely use otherwise. My big project for the past few weeks was begun in a hurry when the company that hosts the VPS that runs both mail and web servers sent me a message saying they are going out of business. I got another; am sending this mail throught it. The old SVP ran PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)" while the new one "Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie)" There were several web pages that said that Debian 13 could not run fail2ban without special configuration. Either they were just wrong or it was fixed in some 13.N release. (Does anyone know how to see N?) It seemed to install just fine. But now I have learned enough to reach a higher plane of confusion. I had planned to ask a question, but in trying to ask it I have found the answer; I just misread the man page and made a stupid typo. -- Keith

March 29, 2026

Re: New WLUG web site

by Doug Mildram

Tux (penguin) would be cool! Will you hand off, or be webmaster? Thanks either way, plus same/s'more to everyone else... doug/dmildram in the tech void.. north of Portland ME On Wed, Mar 25, 2026, 1:54 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Guys, > I'm working on migrating the old WLUG website from the old non-https > server to a new Ubuntu 24.04 LTS based system with proper HTTPs > support, and using the 'grav' flatfile CMS for simpler management. > > Can people take a look at 'https://wlug.stoffel.org' and give me some > feedback on how they like the look? Or do we really care? > > Cheers, > John > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BHA6G… >

March 26, 2026

Re: New WLUG web site

by Michael Lam

Hi John, Minor fix but of big importance: the "please contact Tim Keller" on the About page has no link or better a text-based obfuscated e-mail address associated with it. On the home page, the "WLUG now has a Meetup group: URL" doesn't link anywhere either. Cheers, Michael On Wed, Mar 25, 2026 at 2:02 PM Joe Sherman via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Looks ok to me > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2026, 1:53 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> >> Guys, >> I'm working on migrating the old WLUG website from the old non-https >> server to a new Ubuntu 24.04 LTS based system with proper HTTPs >> support, and using the 'grav' flatfile CMS for simpler management. >> >> Can people take a look at 'https://wlug.stoffel.org' and give me some >> feedback on how they like the look? Or do we really care? >> >> Cheers, >> John >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BHA6G… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5XMDT… > -- Michael Lam, Ph.D. astromlam(a)gmail.com Research Scientist Carl Sagan Center for Research SETI Institute

March 25, 2026

Re: New WLUG web site

by Joe Sherman

Looks ok to me On Wed, Mar 25, 2026, 1:53 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Guys, > I'm working on migrating the old WLUG website from the old non-https > server to a new Ubuntu 24.04 LTS based system with proper HTTPs > support, and using the 'grav' flatfile CMS for simpler management. > > Can people take a look at 'https://wlug.stoffel.org' and give me some > feedback on how they like the look? Or do we really care? > > Cheers, > John > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BHA6G… >

March 25, 2026