August 2002 - WLUG - wlug.mailman3.com

Re: [Wlug] WLUG's membership in BUG

by Brian J. Conway

I vote no. We received no real benefits from our original 50 dollars spent, they won't list our events on their calendar, and their user group links don't even work through a text browser. That 50 bucks would be much better spent elsewhere (beer and pizza??). ;-) Perhaps people should just address their votes to Andy and not the list? -b

Aug. 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] overlay/watermark???

by Keith Wright

> From: Bill Mills-Curran <subssn594(a)charter.net> > > I'm generating a document with good old latex, and I'd like to be able > to add a figure as the background to each page, something like a > watermark, or the background capability of html. > > I'd be happy to use a post-processing step to do this. I've been > looking at the ps utilities, but there's nothing that looks like it > will work. > > Any ideas? Make a PostScript graphic to fill the page, and use any graphic package you can find ( \usepackage{epsfig} works for me ) to tell TeX to put a tiny little box in the page header, which contains your big graphic. TeX doesn't care if your graphic (or anything else) is bigger than the box, it just needs the box to know how much space to leave, but you, you pervert, want to print something and leave no space for it. It should work fine in a technical sense, but promise me the background will be very light and sparse, or I shall revile and shun your document. -- Keith

Aug. 30, 2002

overlay/watermark???

by Bill Mills-Curran

I'm generating a document with good old latex, and I'd like to be able to add a figure as the background to each page, something like a watermark, or the background capability of html. I'd be happy to use a post-processing step to do this. I've been looking at the ps utilities, but there's nothing that looks like it will work. Any ideas? TIA, Bill

Aug. 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] WLUG's membership in BUG

by jkinz＠rcn.com

On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 12:17:10PM -0400, Clint Moyer wrote: > I vote YES. It's only $50 and WLUG's cash on hand is well > into five figures. ;) > > If some people feel somewhat bruised by a tangential > connection to MS, well that's kind of sad. > > Clint Hey Clint - no fair voting twice ! :) (I got two copies of Clint's post.) My 0.02: Spend the $50. It helps give your organization visibility and a professional cachet. But I don't get a vote since I'm not a member. At least I don't think I'm a member. How do you officially join up ?

Aug. 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] WLUG's membership in BUG

by Clint Moyer

I vote YES. It's only $50 and WLUG's cash on hand is well into five figures. ;) If some people feel somewhat bruised by a tangential connection to MS, well that's kind of sad. Clint On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:21:20 -0400 Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)attbi.com> wrote: > >Hi everybody, > >Last year around this time, an organization was formed >called the Boston User >Groups (http://www.bostonusergroups.com) WLUG was >invited to participate. >As a group, we decided to pay our $50/year membership fee >to participate for >the first year. Some of you might remember this meeting, >where the general >consensus was "OK, let's try it for a year and see how it >goes". > >Our yearly membership dues are being requested by BUG. I >had some questions >about whether or not WLUG should continue its >participation in BUG. I had a >discussion with the WLUG members who attended the BBQ. > Several of those >people thought that the discussion should take place >among the entire WLUG >membership. The timing of BUG events is such that I'd >like to settle this >issue before our next WLUG meeting (ideally within the >next week). > >Take a look at the BUG webpage as you consider my >comments and those of other >WLUG members. Please take note of the other groups who >are current BUG >members. There are 3 Linux groups, a Palm group, a Mac >group, and some >others, not to mention the wide variety of Microsoft >related user groups. >Given that Microsoft is a documented monopoly (a court >said that, not just >me), this distribution of member groups should not be a >surprise to anybody. > >Some of the commentary below assumes familiarity with the >contents of the BUG >website. > >My initial question (if I recall correctly) was to wonder >about what tangible >benefit WLUG received for its $50 expenditure. > >a) BUG has a link to the WLUG website on its website > >b) WLUG had a table at last year's MegaMeeting and gave >out literature >advertising the group, its meetings, etc. > >c) I met some leaders of other regional user groups while >eating free pizza, >drinking free soda, and touring the US DataCenters >facility in Marlboro, MA. > >d) I know that we got at least one new WLUG member from >the MegaMeeting. >Perhaps there were others, or folks who shortly >thereafter joined the mailing >list, but I have no way to know for sure. > >The BUG website also has a calendar of group activities >onto which WLUG's >activities were never placed. The calendar is designed >for groups who meet, >say, every 2nd Thursday of the month. WLUG's schedule is >not as regular as >that, and hence our information was not put onto the >calendar after two >requests by me. > >Rick Zach is the current BUG president. He recently sent >an e-mail to the >user group leaders (attached) wherein he describes some >of the benefits of >BUG membership. I also have personally spoken to Rick to >make sure my >information about BUG is correct so that I can present it >fairly to the WLUG >membership. > >My question to WLUG is: > >Do we as a group wish to continue our participation in >BUG for $50/year ? > >Later, > >Andy > >-- >Andy Stewart, Founder >Worcester Linux Users' Group >Worcester, MA USA >http://www.wlug.org

Aug. 30, 2002

RE: [Wlug] WLUG's membership in BUG

by Marc Hughes

Sounds to me like all we really got was a single new member out of last years membership. I say skip the membership. If we're itching to spend the money, throw it into an ad in a college newspaper or two. Otherwise let's hoard our cash reserves for a hostile takeover of microsoft. -Marc -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:21 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group Subject: [Wlug] WLUG's membership in BUG Hi everybody, Last year around this time, an organization was formed called the Boston User Groups (http://www.bostonusergroups.com) WLUG was invited to participate. As a group, we decided to pay our $50/year membership fee to participate for the first year. Some of you might remember this meeting, where the general consensus was "OK, let's try it for a year and see how it goes". Our yearly membership dues are being requested by BUG. I had some questions about whether or not WLUG should continue its participation in BUG. I had a discussion with the WLUG members who attended the BBQ. Several of those people thought that the discussion should take place among the entire WLUG membership. The timing of BUG events is such that I'd like to settle this issue before our next WLUG meeting (ideally within the next week). Take a look at the BUG webpage as you consider my comments and those of other WLUG members. Please take note of the other groups who are current BUG members. There are 3 Linux groups, a Palm group, a Mac group, and some others, not to mention the wide variety of Microsoft related user groups. Given that Microsoft is a documented monopoly (a court said that, not just me), this distribution of member groups should not be a surprise to anybody. Some of the commentary below assumes familiarity with the contents of the BUG website. My initial question (if I recall correctly) was to wonder about what tangible benefit WLUG received for its $50 expenditure. a) BUG has a link to the WLUG website on its website b) WLUG had a table at last year's MegaMeeting and gave out literature advertising the group, its meetings, etc. c) I met some leaders of other regional user groups while eating free pizza, drinking free soda, and touring the US DataCenters facility in Marlboro, MA. d) I know that we got at least one new WLUG member from the MegaMeeting. Perhaps there were others, or folks who shortly thereafter joined the mailing list, but I have no way to know for sure. The BUG website also has a calendar of group activities onto which WLUG's activities were never placed. The calendar is designed for groups who meet, say, every 2nd Thursday of the month. WLUG's schedule is not as regular as that, and hence our information was not put onto the calendar after two requests by me. Rick Zach is the current BUG president. He recently sent an e-mail to the user group leaders (attached) wherein he describes some of the benefits of BUG membership. I also have personally spoken to Rick to make sure my information about BUG is correct so that I can present it fairly to the WLUG membership. My question to WLUG is: Do we as a group wish to continue our participation in BUG for $50/year ? Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Aug. 30, 2002

RE: [Wlug] WLUG's membership in BUG

by Stephen C. Daukas

My vote is no.

Aug. 30, 2002

WLUG's membership in BUG

by Andy Stewart

Hi everybody, Last year around this time, an organization was formed called the Boston User Groups (http://www.bostonusergroups.com) WLUG was invited to participate. As a group, we decided to pay our $50/year membership fee to participate for the first year. Some of you might remember this meeting, where the general consensus was "OK, let's try it for a year and see how it goes". Our yearly membership dues are being requested by BUG. I had some questions about whether or not WLUG should continue its participation in BUG. I had a discussion with the WLUG members who attended the BBQ. Several of those people thought that the discussion should take place among the entire WLUG membership. The timing of BUG events is such that I'd like to settle this issue before our next WLUG meeting (ideally within the next week). Take a look at the BUG webpage as you consider my comments and those of other WLUG members. Please take note of the other groups who are current BUG members. There are 3 Linux groups, a Palm group, a Mac group, and some others, not to mention the wide variety of Microsoft related user groups. Given that Microsoft is a documented monopoly (a court said that, not just me), this distribution of member groups should not be a surprise to anybody. Some of the commentary below assumes familiarity with the contents of the BUG website. My initial question (if I recall correctly) was to wonder about what tangible benefit WLUG received for its $50 expenditure. a) BUG has a link to the WLUG website on its website b) WLUG had a table at last year's MegaMeeting and gave out literature advertising the group, its meetings, etc. c) I met some leaders of other regional user groups while eating free pizza, drinking free soda, and touring the US DataCenters facility in Marlboro, MA. d) I know that we got at least one new WLUG member from the MegaMeeting. Perhaps there were others, or folks who shortly thereafter joined the mailing list, but I have no way to know for sure. The BUG website also has a calendar of group activities onto which WLUG's activities were never placed. The calendar is designed for groups who meet, say, every 2nd Thursday of the month. WLUG's schedule is not as regular as that, and hence our information was not put onto the calendar after two requests by me. Rick Zach is the current BUG president. He recently sent an e-mail to the user group leaders (attached) wherein he describes some of the benefits of BUG membership. I also have personally spoken to Rick to make sure my information about BUG is correct so that I can present it fairly to the WLUG membership. My question to WLUG is: Do we as a group wish to continue our participation in BUG for $50/year ? Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Aug. 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Re: WLUG and BUG

by Andy Stewart

On Wednesday 28 August 2002 11:23 pm, Keith Wright wrote: > > From: doug waud <douglas.waud(a)umassmed.edu> > > > > Keith Wright wrote: > > > On the bright side, I have looked at the BUG web pages > > Yes, I wrote that, but not to thw WLUG mailing list. > A discussion of events at last Thursdays BBQ among > the people who were there has leaked onto the full list. > Sorry for any confusion. > Its not a problem. I plan to start a full discussion on the list soon. Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Aug. 30, 2002

Re: WLUG and BUG

by Keith Wright

> From: doug waud <douglas.waud(a)umassmed.edu> > > Keith Wright wrote: > > > On the bright side, I have looked at the BUG web pages Yes, I wrote that, but not to thw WLUG mailing list. A discussion of events at last Thursdays BBQ among the people who were there has leaked onto the full list. Sorry for any confusion. -- Keith

Aug. 29, 2002