December 2023 - WLUG - wlug.mailman3.com

Thanks for an amazing 2023, more fun to be had in 2024!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, Happy New Year! Thanks for sticking with WLUG! It's been a year of change and challenges. We found ourselves a new home at Technocopia and make some new friends along the way. This is going to be another amazing year of talks and demos, lively conversations and general geeking out on all things. I look forward to many more WLUG meetings to come. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 31, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by Tim Keller

DEVNUL is owned by my co-worker. He charges his car next to mine every day! On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 1:30 PM Mike Peckar via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Because I commute to the 128 area, I see plates like these pretty > frequently... > > [image: image.png] > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 10:50 AM Patrick McEvilly via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Saw this at one of Cisco's offices. >> >> >> On 12/19/23, 10:38 AM, "John Stoffel via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>> "Michael" == Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto: >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>> writes: >> >> >> > About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind >> > another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." >> >> >> Nice! I keep thinking of getting a new plate with something snarky >> and fun and geeky... but coming up with something is hard. I had a >> co-worker from NH with the placs 'asics' at one time. >> >> >> > I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that >> > was a long time ago. >> >> >> That would be a good one. >> >> >> > It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would >> > probably be on this mailing list. >> >> >> Heh... you'd think. >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto: >> wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org> >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ < >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/> >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ < >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/> >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org <mailto: >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>/message/KWUOIIHVYJYSYWYWZ5CNWQTQGE4MB5DK/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QOUQ4… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FQH2B… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 20, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by Tim Keller

Rim shot.. On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 7:18 AM Dan Davis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I'd ordered "UDP" on a plate from the RMV but I never got it. I tried to > complain but I don't think they care that I didn't get it. > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 5:17 AM Michael Voorhis via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> >> About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind >> another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." >> >> I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that was >> a long time ago. >> >> It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would >> probably be on this mailing list. >> >> --MCV. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HRXTY… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AFKJL… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 20, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Tim Keller

That is cool that pfSense can do wireguard! On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 7:32 PM Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > What I do is have the wireguard clients be on a different subnet than my > other hosts, all behind the firewall. Then, in pfsense I made wireguard an > interface like any other, and that allows me to make firewall policies, > such as letting wireguard clients only to my DNS servers on port 53, or my > web servers on 443. Also, since each wireguard client has a static IP > reserved, I can make my phone access more than my cloud server, since I > trust the security of my phone a tad more (but only a tad). > > For routing, I have the config for the clients either as 0.0.0.0/0 to > send all traffic over the tunnel, or my private networks only for the split > tunnel, and let the firewall policy handle it from there. > > So, you could certainly make it so that your VPS connects to your > wireguard endpoint, and then send your backup traffic to it's client IP if > you are going outbound to the VPS, and block the VPS from your internal > network, or vice versa just open up the port you need to the host you need > from the VPS to internal. > > Hope this helps > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2023, at 12:42, John Stoffel wrote: > >>>>>> "Althea" == Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > >> I run it on my pfSense firewall, but pivpn is also a great option if > >> you'd rather port forward to a different device. > > > > Do you have it so that if you have multiple internal devices behind > > your firewall, your external client can reach all those devices? > > > > I'ev been playing, but I'm sure I'm mssing something. For example: > > > > Internal network: 192.168.1.0/24 > > host A 192.168.1.10/32 > > host B 192.168.1.20/32 > > > > Firewall: 192.168.1.254 > > WG: 192.168.200.0/24 > > > > Client: 200.150.100.50 (made up) > > > > > > Ideally I'd like my client to be able to access host A or B from the > > road using the WG tunnel. Would I need to assign WG addresses to > > these hosts? Or would I just rounte 192.168.1.0/24 via wg0 on the > > client? > > > > That's the trouble I'm having. > > > > I also want to setup a Wireguard tunnel between home and my VPS in the > > cloud to make backups easier and simple. I could just do an SSH > > tunnel, but I'd prefer not since it's a pain for this one application > > to setup. > > > > So my VPS has both it's public IP, and then I have a WireGuard IP and > > route setup so that I can reach into the home network. And possibly > > also allow connections to the VPS from other clients as well. Very > > mesh like. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > >> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, at 16:30, John Stoffel wrote: > >>>>>>>> "Althea" == Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >>> > >>> I've been busy, so I'm coming back to this late... > >>> > >>>> I use a wireguard VPN on my phone anytime I leave my house, mainly > >>>> for ad blocking. I run pi-hole at home to block ads network wide, > >>>> and when I leave wifi, my phone automatically joins the VPN at home > >>>> and uses the same pi-hole servers for DNS. Internet traffic is still > >>>> directly through my carrier (so split tunnel) but my DNS is hidden > >>>> from them and ad free! > >>> > >>> Do you run wireguard on your firewall or do you pass it inside into a > >>> base host? > >>> > >>>> -thea > >>> > >>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2023, at 03:54, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: > >>> > >>>>> However, they still rely on the trust in the ownership/VPN service > country's laws and > >>>> policies. > >>>>> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. > >>>> This is why everyone should train their mother to offer a secure > ISP/VPN service. > >>>> "Mom's VPN: Do you trust your Mom?" > >>>> md > >>> > >>>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 11:44 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>> > >>>> VPN services are a good tool for privacy. However, they they still > rely > >>>> on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and > policies. > >>>> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. > >>> > >>>> On 12/8/2023 3:13 AM, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience > >>>>> when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, > >>>>> the rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve > >>>>> that car than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there > is > >>>>> a difference between a poor native and a rich American. > >>>>> > >>>>> Bob > >>>>> > >>>>> On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: > >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Doug Mildram via WLUG > wrote: > >>>>>> So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're > selling, > >>>>>> but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone. > (educate > >>>>>> me!) > >>>>>> Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win. > >>>>>> Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this > month, > >>>>>> so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug > >>>>>> Yes. Those "modern" VPNs are used for many reasons. Here are a > couple: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - To appear to servers/services that you are physically located in a > >>>>>> different geographical area. This can help you bypass > >>>>>> geographically restricted content, such as watching sports programs > >>>>>> that content owners don't want you to see based on where you live > >>>>>> (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you > >>>>>> a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you > >>>>>> if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute > >>>>>> accomodations while you are away on vacation. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - To hide your real IP address from servers and/or hide your > browsing > >>>>>> from intermediaries (your ISP for example) for privacy. This could > >>>>>> be so you can avoid being tracked and having your browsing habits > >>>>>> sold to advertisers (something your ISP can easily do--SSL does not > >>>>>> hide DNS queries although that is changing with the availability of > >>>>>> DNS-over-HTTPS and similar), to hide from authorities/copyright > >>>>>> enforcers, or for life-and-death reasons (hide from unfriendly > >>>>>> governments.) > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>>>> Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >>>>>> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >>>>>> Web Forum/Archive: > >>>> > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZC4W3… > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >>>>> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >>>>> Web Forum/Archive: > >>>> > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TI4DE… > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >>>> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >>>> Web Forum/Archive: > >>>> > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2OD7Q… > >>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >>>> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >>>> Web Forum/Archive: > >>>> > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/E6KIC… > >>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >>>> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >>>> Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/532CN… > >> _______________________________________________ > >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >> Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NK7RY… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7MG6I… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 20, 2023

Reminder!!! WLUG Meeting Tomorrow at Technocopia!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a WLUG Meeting tomorrow at Technocopia! Time: 7PM Location: Technocopia 44 Portland st. 6th floor Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Possibly free VPNs and other solutions! Hey everybody! I thought we'd talk about VPNs that are available for various linux distributions. I'd love to hear what people are using and what's available! I've been looking at Proton: https://protonvpn.com/support/official-ubuntu-vpn-setup/ It's been a great year for linux and WLUG. Thanks for everybody who's been showing up in person and virtually! I'll bring refreshments and snacks and we can talk about what we'd like to do for 2024! Afterwards we'll head out for some dinner! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 20, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > On 12/19/23 12:47, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >> DEBIAN and BKWRM (Debian 12) seem to be available... :-) > Might they look askance at you if you requested "Trixie" ? I'd look askance at that one! LOL! > How much does a Massachusetts vanity plate cost, anyway? Back in VT > they used to be free, and everyone had 'em. It was cool to see cars > with the initials of friends & family. I think they ended the > policy though. I think they're $50, plus $20 to swap registrations. Six letters max, leading with two letters, no mixing of numbers between letters. Which is kinda wierd. And they make you ask for your three choices and give you just one of them. It's kinda strange. https://www.mass.gov/how-to/request-a-vanity-license-plate And the rules they have on "offensive" words seems ripe for a lawsuit. 1st amendment and all.

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by Michael Voorhis

On 12/19/23 12:47, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > DEBIAN and BKWRM (Debian 12) seem to be available... :-) Might they look askance at you if you requested "Trixie" ? How much does a Massachusetts vanity plate cost, anyway? Back in VT they used to be free, and everyone had 'em. It was cool to see cars with the initials of friends & family. I think they ended the policy though. --MCV.

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by Mike Peckar

Because I commute to the 128 area, I see plates like these pretty frequently... [image: image.png] On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 10:50 AM Patrick McEvilly via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Saw this at one of Cisco's offices. > > > On 12/19/23, 10:38 AM, "John Stoffel via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: > > > >>>>> "Michael" == Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto: > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>> writes: > > > > About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind > > another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." > > > Nice! I keep thinking of getting a new plate with something snarky > and fun and geeky... but coming up with something is hard. I had a > co-worker from NH with the placs 'asics' at one time. > > > > I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that > > was a long time ago. > > > That would be a good one. > > > > It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would > > probably be on this mailing list. > > > Heh... you'd think. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto: > wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ < > https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/> > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ < > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/> > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org <mailto: > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>/message/KWUOIIHVYJYSYWYWZ5CNWQTQGE4MB5DK/ > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QOUQ4… >

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "David" == David Glaser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Hmm, How about JRST or JFFO - name the architecture. LINUX is used, but DEBIAN and BKWRM (Debian 12) seem to be available... :-)

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > The RFC pseudo standards come to mind. I have seen /dev/null plates > for more than one state. I don't think /dev/zero or /dev/random > would be too useful for this (depending on what you what to say) > Is there a "preferred" app for hevc video format files? vlc? :-) > On 12/19/2023 10:50 AM, Patrick McEvilly via WLUG wrote: >> Saw this at one of Cisco's offices. >> >> >> On 12/19/23, 10:38 AM, "John Stoffel via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> writes: >> >>> About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind >>> another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." >> >> Nice! I keep thinking of getting a new plate with something snarky >> and fun and geeky... but coming up with something is hard. I had a >> co-worker from NH with the placs 'asics' at one time. >> >> >>> I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that >>> was a long time ago. >> >> That would be a good one. >> >> >>> It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would >>> probably be on this mailing list. >> >> Heh... you'd think. >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ <https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/> >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ <https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/> >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>/message/KWUOIIHVYJYSYWYWZ5CNWQTQGE4MB5DK/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QOUQ4… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LJDRG…

Dec. 19, 2023