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Meeting this Thursday! July 9th, 2026 @7PM, Topic: Rust!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting this week! Date / Time: Thursday July 9th @7PM Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Rust Programming Language! Long time WLUGer Evan White will be giving a talk on the Rust programming language. Rust recently became a first class citizen in the linux kernel. Designed from the ground up to be type and memory safe it's the new cool kid on the block. Evan will be showing off what he's been doing with rust to wildly extend the functionality of the kobo e-reader. This talk will be oriented towards people who've never used rust before so he'll be getting into the brass tacks and showing us all why we should all abandon our crappy unsafe languages and go all in on rust! As usual after the meeting we'll head out for dinner and keep up the conversation. I hope to see you all there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 7, 2026

Reminder! WLUG Meeting June 11th @ 7PM Location: Techncopia

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting this Thursday, June 11th @7PM. Topic: TBD (Hit me up here or on Signal) Location: Technocopia Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA We'll definitely be talking about the continuing spate of Linux kernel vulnerabilities. Supply chain attacks on npm / pypi / etc. As usual, we'll head out for dinner and keep the conversation going. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 9, 2026

Re: Keith's mail issue

by Keith Wright

Thank you much for your incredibly prompt and detailed reply. Dick Goodman via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > This is all analogous to what I use successfully for my wife. I can successfully send a message to one or two gmail (or yahoo, hotmail...) addresses, the problem comes with the mailing list, which has about 50 @gmail.com. That sets them off. > To your points: > 1) I forward her incoming stuff (successfully) to Gmail with Procmail I don't know Procmail. Will look into it (ironically by google). > 2) I appreciate that everything worked for 20 years. When I get too nostalgic I think about my long lost draft card. -- Keith

May 31, 2026

Re: Keith's mail issue

by Dick Goodman

This is all analogous to what I use successfully for my wife. To your points: 1) skip the include if you like. My wife has aliased her mail on several domains to Google so she can mail from her phone I only provide her POP not IMAP. I forward her incoming stuff (successfully) to Gmail with Procmail 2) I appreciate that everything worked for 20 years. It did here also, until the last 2 years when Google and Yahoo (who now also does mail for AOL and Verizon) started changing the rules for what they would accept. Took me months. Still issues with Yahoo. Have read they don't follow the standards. 3) You must have an "a:" section in your spf record, it is the only way to tell Google what your valid server(s) is/are. It doesn't matter what you have done with GoDaddy. Also, despite what most documentation says, Google will NOT accept an "ipv4:" section instead of "a:' 4) Can't comment further without seeing what Google's bounce messages look like At 10:27 PM 5/30/2026, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: >Dick Goodman via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > >> I already have an SPF record which says: v=spf1 mx ~all, what's > > >> wrong with that? > > > > LOTS. It doesn't specify a valid server. try this > > > > "v=spf1 a:fcx2.keithdiane.us include:_spf.google.com ~all" > >I don't like to copy stuff I don't understand, so I have been reading >RFC's and log files. I don't see why "a:fcx2.keithdiane.us" would >help, since I already told the (godaddy) namesever > > mx @ fcx2.keithdiane.us. (Priority: 10) 1 Hour > >but it seemed harmless, so I put it in. No visible change. > >On the other hand "include:_spf.google.com" seems just wrong. I am >not trying to get gmail.com to send my mail, I want them to accept it. > >I am thinking that all those many various messages that say "gmail.com >requires DKIM, SPF, TLS, DMARC, etc. are a pile of crimson herring. >What they really mean is "gmail.com" does not want anyone else relaying >mail from gmail, no matter how. > >I notice that WLUG uses GNU Mailman, and that mail is modified, both >body and headers, and that seems to work. I have, for 20 years, just >been relaying mail unchanged. Maybe that simply does not work with the >corporate monopoly internet. Maybe I need to use Mailman or something >similar, so that the envelope MAIL FROM is rewritten to <mymail.org>. > >GNU Mailman seems rather complex for that one thing. Is the wizard who >set that up here on the WLUG list, or did you just delegate that? Is >there a simpler way? > > > If anybody cares what I have been working on, part of it is on this page: > > > > http://www.nerflings.org/none/fcs/vpsmove.html#gmail > > > > If you can answer any of the quesions at the end of that page you may be > > eligible to apply to be my hero. > > -- Keith >_______________________________________________ >WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >Change Settings: >https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >Web Forum/Archive: >https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5MQSY…

May 31, 2026

Re: Keith's mail issue

by Keith Wright

Dick Goodman via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> I already have an SPF record which says: v=spf1 mx ~all, what's > >> wrong with that? > > LOTS. It doesn't specify a valid server. try this > > "v=spf1 a:fcx2.keithdiane.us include:_spf.google.com ~all" I don't like to copy stuff I don't understand, so I have been reading RFC's and log files. I don't see why "a:fcx2.keithdiane.us" would help, since I already told the (godaddy) namesever mx @ fcx2.keithdiane.us. (Priority: 10) 1 Hour but it seemed harmless, so I put it in. No visible change. On the other hand "include:_spf.google.com" seems just wrong. I am not trying to get gmail.com to send my mail, I want them to accept it. I am thinking that all those many various messages that say "gmail.com requires DKIM, SPF, TLS, DMARC, etc. are a pile of crimson herring. What they really mean is "gmail.com" does not want anyone else relaying mail from gmail, no matter how. I notice that WLUG uses GNU Mailman, and that mail is modified, both body and headers, and that seems to work. I have, for 20 years, just been relaying mail unchanged. Maybe that simply does not work with the corporate monopoly internet. Maybe I need to use Mailman or something similar, so that the envelope MAIL FROM is rewritten to <mymail.org>. GNU Mailman seems rather complex for that one thing. Is the wizard who set that up here on the WLUG list, or did you just delegate that? Is there a simpler way? > If anybody cares what I have been working on, part of it is on this page: > > http://www.nerflings.org/none/fcs/vpsmove.html#gmail > > If you can answer any of the quesions at the end of that page you may be > eligible to apply to be my hero. -- Keith

May 31, 2026

Keith's mail issue

by Dick Goodman

>>I already have an SPF record which says: v=spf1 mx ~all, what's wrong with that? LOTS. It doesn't specify a valid server. try this "v=spf1 a:fcx2.keithdiane.us include:_spf.google.com ~all" Dick

May 21, 2026

Meeting Tomorrow!! May 21st. Topic: why does gmail hate me?

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Hey Everybody! > > We've got a meeting tomorrow! > Time: 7pm > Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA. > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA I hope to page in from my own virtual location. > Topic(s): > > I suspect we'll also talk about copy.fail and the other serious LPE's that have been > discovered lately using AI tools. I didn't know what that is, so I googled. I am glad the AI has finally passed its Language Proficiency Exam and joined Lambda Pi Epsilon. (Just joking. I know you are referring to CVE-2026-31431, which is easier to remember since it is so close to $\pi$.) Too damn many TLAs! Google also turned up this minority report: https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2026/05/18/problems-with-ai-assisted-vulner… If anybody cares what I have been working on, part of it is on this page: http://www.nerflings.org/none/fcs/vpsmove.html#gmail If you can answer any of the quesions at the end of that page you may be eligible to apply to be my hero. -- Keith

May 20, 2026

Meeting Tomorrow!! May 21st. Topic: Cisco hardware hacking / Claude

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting tomorrow! Time: 7pm Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic(s): Alex will talk about hacking Cisco hardware. Jenson will then talk about how he's using Claude in his workflow these days. I suspect we'll also talk about copy.fail and the other serious LPE's that have been discovered lately using AI tools. As usual it'll be a ruckus affair and lots of fun! After the meeting we'll head off for dinner amd keep the conversation going. Later, Tim.

May 20, 2026

May meeting moved to 21st.

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, I've got a scheduling conflict for the 14th, so this month's meeting will be on the 21st. Thanks, Tim.

May 6, 2026

Re: email imap fail2ban --- was Reminder!!!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> writes: > John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >> Sorry for the delay Keith, new job, life and such all got in the way. > I'm OK without a job, but it would be nice to have a life. Hahahahah! Touche' Keith! >> So for fail2ban, I would just do: >> sudo apt install nftables iptables >> and then check the logs and see if you still get the same warning. > Yes. I did that last week. Great, are you seeing the errors still? > See you in a few hours, jit.si gods willing. Hope to see you there!

April 9, 2026

Re: email imap fail2ban --- was Reminder!!!

by Keith Wright

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > Sorry for the delay Keith, new job, life and such all got in the way. I'm OK without a job, but it would be nice to have a life. > So for fail2ban, I would just do: > sudo apt install nftables iptables > and then check the logs and see if you still get the same warning. Yes. I did that last week. See you in a few hours, jit.si gods willing. -- Keith

April 9, 2026

Re: email imap fail2ban --- was Reminder!!!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Sorry for the delay Keith, new job, life and such all got in the way. > John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>> My big project for the past few weeks was begun in a hurry when the >>> company that hosts the VPS that runs both mail and web servers sent me a >>> message saying they are going out of business. >> >>> I got another; am sending this mail throught it. >> >>> The old SVP ran PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)" while >>> the new one "Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie)" >> >> Do you run dovecot for IMAP(s) access to your mail? Or do you just >> deliver it locally and read it using some other mail program? > I log into the VPS and use emacs (rmail-get-new-mail ... ...), which > is bound to a single keystroke, to copy mbox file from /var/... to > RMAIL in /home/kwright. Diane uses thunderbird on Windows which (I > think) uses imap to interact with dovecot on VPS. Nice! I haven't used rmail is years and years but I have fond memories. >> From time to time I use rsync to copy RMAIL@VPS to RMAIL@laptop > where I can read it again, write this reply, maybe copy it to > thumb drive or web page. >> I ask because with Trixie, dovecot was upgraded to v2.4.x and it's a >> big problem because the configuration language has been changed, and >> it's not as stable as the old 2.3.x version is, and some features have >> been pulled. > But that part seems to be working. Whatever Hostinger put in the > Debian boot image together with a few "apt install"s of my own, just > does it. Great, I'm happy to hear this. I assume you're wife also has a login on your VPS and she's using that username/password to access her email. >> So I'd be careful upgrading. I've been thinking about deployin >> "Mail-in-box" instead, just to get more spam filtering, and more >> integration with DNS, DKIM, SPF, rspam, etc. >> >> Doing mail well is a pain. > My current pain is fail2ban, which seems like a good idea but > seems to be having a fight with systemd. I'm using fail2ban and it works great. > I get error messages that seem to indicate I need to install nft > (nftables), otherwise fail2ban can put an IPaddr in jail, but that > has no effect. Yes, you need to install a firewall tool so that fail2ban can insert rules to drop packets/connections matching rules. I have both 'nftables' and 'iptables' installed. >>> There were several web pages that said that Debian 13 could not run >>> fail2ban without special configuration. Either they were just wrong or >>> it was fixed in some 13.N release. (Does anyone know how to see N?) >>> It seemed to install just fine. > I now think there is no N. Debian 13 is one thing, after that the > problem is to apt install (and configure) the right versions of postfix, > dovecot, fail2ban, and ... ... ... >>> But now I have learned enough to reach a higher plane of confusion. LOL! I understand, it's all so complicated. So for fail2ban, I would just do: sudo apt install nftables iptables and then check the logs and see if you still get the same warning. Can you also share your configuration? for example, I have the following: $ sudo fail2ban-client status Status |- Number of jail: 1 `- Jail list: sshd which shows that I have one jail setup for 'ssh' connections. To get more details I do: $ sudo fail2ban-client status sshd Status for the jail: sshd |- Filter | |- Currently failed: 2 | |- Total failed: 276156 | `- File list: /var/log/auth.log `- Actions |- Currently banned: 2 |- Total banned: 43350 `- Banned IP list: 87.251.64.144 80.66.66.70 But if you post the output of your exact log message, I'd be happy to help. Also post your fail2ban config info as well.

April 9, 2026

WLUG Meeting Tomorrow Thursday (4/9/2026) Topic: Ubuntu FIPS for you!

by Tim Keller

We've got a meeting Tomorrow! (4/9/2026) Date & Time: 4/9/2026 @ 7PM Location: Techncopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA 01453 Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Ubuntu FIPS for you! Speaker: Alex Wlug member Alex will be showing off his Ubuntu laptop running in full FIPS mode . What it does, how it does it and how you can do it too! We'll also be talking about the new website, merch and other fun stuff I'm sure! As usual, we'll head off for dinner afterwards and keep the conversation going. I hope to see you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 9, 2026

WLUG Meeting THIS Thursday! Topic: Security Oriented Linux

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting this Thursday (4/9/2026) Time: 7PM Location: Techncopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA 01453 Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Security Oriented Linux Speaker: Alex Wlug member Alex will be showing off his security oriented linux laptop. What it does, how it does it and how you can do it too! We'll also be talking about the new website, merch and other fun stuff I'm sure! As usual, we'll head off for dinner afterwards and keep the conversation going. I hope to see you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 7, 2026

email imap fail2ban --- was Reminder!!!

by Keith Wright

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> My big project for the past few weeks was begun in a hurry when the >> company that hosts the VPS that runs both mail and web servers sent me a >> message saying they are going out of business. > >> I got another; am sending this mail throught it. > >> The old SVP ran PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)" while >> the new one "Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie)" > > Do you run dovecot for IMAP(s) access to your mail? Or do you just > deliver it locally and read it using some other mail program? I log into the VPS and use emacs (rmail-get-new-mail ... ...), which is bound to a single keystroke, to copy mbox file from /var/... to RMAIL in /home/kwright. Diane uses thunderbird on Windows which (I think) uses imap to interact with dovecot on VPS. From time to time I use rsync to copy RMAIL@VPS to RMAIL@laptop where I can read it again, write this reply, maybe copy it to thumb drive or web page. > I ask because with Trixie, dovecot was upgraded to v2.4.x and it's a > big problem because the configuration language has been changed, and > it's not as stable as the old 2.3.x version is, and some features have > been pulled. But that part seems to be working. Whatever Hostinger put in the Debian boot image together with a few "apt install"s of my own, just does it. > So I'd be careful upgrading. I've been thinking about deployin > "Mail-in-box" instead, just to get more spam filtering, and more > integration with DNS, DKIM, SPF, rspam, etc. > > Doing mail well is a pain. My current pain is fail2ban, which seems like a good idea but seems to be having a fight with systemd. I get error messages that seem to indicate I need to install nft (nftables), otherwise fail2ban can put an IPaddr in jail, but that has no effect. >> There were several web pages that said that Debian 13 could not run >> fail2ban without special configuration. Either they were just wrong or >> it was fixed in some 13.N release. (Does anyone know how to see N?) >> It seemed to install just fine. I now think there is no N. Debian 13 is one thing, after that the problem is to apt install (and configure) the right versions of postfix, dovecot, fail2ban, and ... ... ... >> But now I have learned enough to reach a higher plane of confusion. > -- Keith

April 1, 2026

Re: Reminder!!! Meeting tomorrow! Topic: Macropads + Matrix + lots of other stuff!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> Methinks the Jitsi was never opened. I have up a few minutes ago. > Actually, I had nothing to do but sit with my laptop on top of my lap > and work on other things, so I left jit.si running and checked back. > About 7:45 they showed up in a new room with the meeting in progress. > I don't care much about crooked keyboards. WLUG meetings these days are > mostly a chance to test my sound and video, which I rarely use > otherwise. > My big project for the past few weeks was begun in a hurry when the > company that hosts the VPS that runs both mail and web servers sent me a > message saying they are going out of business. > I got another; am sending this mail throught it. > The old SVP ran PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)" while > the new one "Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie)" Do you run dovecot for IMAP(s) access to your mail? Or do you just deliver it locally and read it using some other mail program? I ask because with Trixie, dovecot was upgraded to v2.4.x and it's a big problem because the configuration language has been changed, and it's not as stable as the old 2.3.x version is, and some features have been pulled. So I'd be careful upgrading. I've been thinking about deploying "Mail-in-box" instead, just to get more spam filtering, and more integration with DNS, DKIM, SPF, rspam, etc. Doing mail well is a pain. > There were several web pages that said that Debian 13 could not run > fail2ban without special configuration. Either they were just wrong or > it was fixed in some 13.N release. (Does anyone know how to see N?) > It seemed to install just fine. > But now I have learned enough to reach a higher plane of confusion. > I had planned to ask a question, but in trying to ask it I have found > the answer; I just misread the man page and made a stupid typo. > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FAGKX…

April 1, 2026

Re: Reminder!!! Meeting tomorrow! Topic: Macropads + Matrix + lots of other stuff!

by Keith Wright

eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Methinks the Jitsi was never opened. I have up a few minutes ago. Actually, I had nothing to do but sit with my laptop on top of my lap and work on other things, so I left jit.si running and checked back. About 7:45 they showed up in a new room with the meeting in progress. I don't care much about crooked keyboards. WLUG meetings these days are mostly a chance to test my sound and video, which I rarely use otherwise. My big project for the past few weeks was begun in a hurry when the company that hosts the VPS that runs both mail and web servers sent me a message saying they are going out of business. I got another; am sending this mail throught it. The old SVP ran PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)" while the new one "Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie)" There were several web pages that said that Debian 13 could not run fail2ban without special configuration. Either they were just wrong or it was fixed in some 13.N release. (Does anyone know how to see N?) It seemed to install just fine. But now I have learned enough to reach a higher plane of confusion. I had planned to ask a question, but in trying to ask it I have found the answer; I just misread the man page and made a stupid typo. -- Keith

March 29, 2026

Re: New WLUG web site

by Doug Mildram

Tux (penguin) would be cool! Will you hand off, or be webmaster? Thanks either way, plus same/s'more to everyone else... doug/dmildram in the tech void.. north of Portland ME On Wed, Mar 25, 2026, 1:54 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Guys, > I'm working on migrating the old WLUG website from the old non-https > server to a new Ubuntu 24.04 LTS based system with proper HTTPs > support, and using the 'grav' flatfile CMS for simpler management. > > Can people take a look at 'https://wlug.stoffel.org' and give me some > feedback on how they like the look? Or do we really care? > > Cheers, > John > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BHA6G… >

March 26, 2026

Re: New WLUG web site

by Joe Sherman

Looks ok to me On Wed, Mar 25, 2026, 1:53 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Guys, > I'm working on migrating the old WLUG website from the old non-https > server to a new Ubuntu 24.04 LTS based system with proper HTTPs > support, and using the 'grav' flatfile CMS for simpler management. > > Can people take a look at 'https://wlug.stoffel.org' and give me some > feedback on how they like the look? Or do we really care? > > Cheers, > John > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BHA6G… >

March 25, 2026

New WLUG web site

by John Stoffel

Guys, I'm working on migrating the old WLUG website from the old non-https server to a new Ubuntu 24.04 LTS based system with proper HTTPs support, and using the 'grav' flatfile CMS for simpler management. Can people take a look at 'https://wlug.stoffel.org' and give me some feedback on how they like the look? Or do we really care? Cheers, John

March 25, 2026

Re: Reminder!!! Meeting tomorrow! Topic: Macropads + Matrix + lots of other stuff!

by eroc1990

Methinks the Jitsi was never opened. I have up a few minutes ago. -------- Original Message -------- On Thursday, 03/12/26 at 19:23 Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Date and TIme: March 12th 2026 @ 7PM > Physical Location: Techncopia, 44 Portland Ave. Worcester MA > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Got my headphones; tested sound; tried first a few minutes before 7. No surprise nobody there yet. But I check back from time to time. It's wait for moderator until 2026-03-12(Thu) 19:21:06EDT(UTC-0400). Are you on UTC or measuring time in radians? -- Keith _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YGO3X…

March 12, 2026

Re: Reminder!!! Meeting tomorrow! Topic: Macropads + Matrix + lots of other stuff!

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Date and TIme: March 12th 2026 @ 7PM > Physical Location: Techncopia, 44 Portland Ave. Worcester MA > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Got my headphones; tested sound; tried first a few minutes before 7. No surprise nobody there yet. But I check back from time to time. It's wait for moderator until 2026-03-12(Thu) 19:21:06EDT(UTC-0400). Are you on UTC or measuring time in radians? -- Keith

March 12, 2026

Reminder!!! Meeting tomorrow! Topic: Macropads + Matrix + lots of other stuff!

by Tim Keller

We've got a meeting tomorrow!! Date and TIme: March 12th 2026 @ 7PM Physical Location: Techncopia, 44 Portland Ave. Worcester MA Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic(s): 1. I'm going to show off the macropad I bought at Microcenter running QMK and how you go about flashing it and some of its really useful features. 2. Matrix stuff! Venus was gracious enough to get a matrix chat going, the next decision is if we stick with signal, stick with matrix or do we roll our own matrix? It's clear we need to "pick a lane" otherwise we've got 11 different chats everywhere.. 3. California's AB 1043 Age verification bullshit being pushed by idiots.. I know people have feelings.. I definitely do. 4. Kernel 7.0 right over the horizon!! 5. I guess we can talk about Kent Overstreet's AI girlfriend? Rather not.. I may or may not have a funky keyboard to show off as well..we'll see. As always after the meeting we'll head out to dinner and keep talking! I hope to see you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 12, 2026

Meeting thurs March 12 + Anyone trying DNS hijack avoidance?

by Doug Mildram

On Sun, Mar 8, 2026 at 11:24 AM Tim Keller... > We've got a meeting next week. > Date and TIme: March 12th 2026 @ 7PM > Physical Location: Techncopia, 44 Portland Ave. Worcester MA > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > Topic(s): > 1. I'm going to show off the macropad I bought at Microcenter running QMK and how you go about flashing it and some of it's really useful features. > 2. Matrix stuff! Venus was gracious enough to get a matrix chat going, the next decision is if we stick with signal, stick with matrix or do we roll our own matrix? It's clear we need to "pick a lane" otherwise we've got 11 different chats everywhere.. > 3. California's AB 1043 Age verification bullshit being pushed by idiots.. I know people have feelings.. I definitely do. > 4. Kernel 7.0 right over the horizon!! > 5. I guess we can talk about Kent Overstreets AI girlfriend? Rather not.. > doug in Maine> Hope to zoom/jitsi in. I have no voice/vote on signal/matrix (slow to join at best). ===TANGENT beyond? tomorrow jitsi/meeting, so asking HERE on EMAIL: ...and should I have added Steve's e-addr here? (don't know if he is on our list). Is anyone aiming-to or trying last month's FU-Spectrum,etc,evil-hijacking-ISP avoidance? If so, I'd be more than happy to share how it goes..and choices to consider. pi-hole -> HeadscaleTunnel -> VPS Unbound (recursive) -> Root/AuthServers I'm nearly drowning to understand it but (insanely) committed to doing it. With an outside VPS server doing all my home-network DNS requests. Like those awesome reveal.js + isp-dns-spying.html slides from after last meeting feb2026. Currently trudging thru OTHER ways to get feet wet....... 14-landscape-pages of https://docs.pi-hole.net/guides/dns/unbound BUT experimenting first (as this guide leads to) "Unbound(Recursive)" on local pi-hole. But really aiming at VPS==unhijackable, ..cuz Spectrum already intercepts all my current outgoing port53 queries i think. -doug To really raise my middle finger quietly to Spectrum, I'm looking at $2-5-?/mo VPS options/providers like https://www.ionos.com/servers/vps ( $2=1gbRAM, 10gb NVME) ( $3 initially/mo 2 gb RAM, 80gb NVME ..discounted from $5/mo ) +more. Finally got a new pi (pi5), put Debian on it, it uses just under 10gb so the $2/mo option sounds too close for comfort. But there are SO MANY other providers to consider...should "we" worry about trusting THEM to not decipher the piece-by-piece queries a VPS Unbound would make via hosted provider? Maybe don't HAVE to trust outside provider's ISP but hmm.......

March 11, 2026

Meeting next week!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting next week. Date and TIme: March 12th 2026 @ 7PM Physical Location: Techncopia, 44 Portland Ave. Worcester MA Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic(s): 1. I'm going to show off the macropad I bought at Microcenter running QMK and how you go about flashing it and some of it's really useful features. 2. Matrix stuff! Venus was gracious enough to get a matrix chat going, the next decision is if we stick with signal, stick with matrix or do we roll our own matrix? It's clear we need to "pick a lane" otherwise we've got 11 different chats everywhere.. 3. California's AB 1043 Age verification bullshit being pushed by idiots.. I know people have feelings.. I definitely do. 4. Kernel 7.0 right over the horizon!! 5. I guess we can talk about Kent Overstreets AI girlfriend? Rather not.. I may or may not have a funky keyboard to show off as well..we'll see. As always after the meeting we'll head out to dinner and keep talking! I hope to see you there! Tim.

March 8, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by John Stoffel

Found this interesting discussion on replacing discord. Maybe Zulip is the best option if Matrix doesn't work out? I've zero time this week to play though... https://no-bull.sh/blog/2026/02/16/in-search-of-a-discord-replacement/

Feb. 18, 2026

Re: (ingesting) WLUG Meeting..Topic: DNS Redirection.

by Doug Mildram

doug in Maine> Thanks Steve Thibault ! Though I missed the meeting, EXTREMELY COOL "slides" ...Colors!Fonts!Boxes all gorgeous. w/opt reveal.js sidebars which nicely restate the main slides. I'm only on the first few pages! p 3(of 24) alone =worthy of notes+study. I "had to know" what is (+runs on what OS's) a pi-hole, well stated at https://docs.pi-hole.net/main/prerequisites/#supported-operating-systems Ah, peeking ahead, more fun/tricks needed. As a former sysadmin (lazy?old?) ex network-engineer, I'm finally motivated to stop feeding the bots ! Price ongoing: $5/mo for a VPS (for TailScale client)..... Guess I'll write that off (mental motivation) for likely ad-blocking improvement. Haven't bought a newish Pi ........Yet. Plus,.... headscale/TailScale seems just too cool to not have, somewhere like gf's house. On Thu, Feb 12, 2026 at 6:25 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Hey Everybody, > > We've got a meeting! > Date/Time: February 12th, 2026 @ 7PM > Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: DNS Interception. > Speaker: Steve Thibault > > At every turn, companies are looking for ways to monetize data. It should be no surprise that DNS is one of these. Recently a fellow WLUG member Steve Thibault discovered that their upstream provider was intercepting his DNS queries and worked to fight against this. > Steve is going to tell us his story of how he discovered what his provider was doing and what he did to foil their prying eyes. > > We have a signal group and the invite is here: https://signal.group/#CjQKIKlVuif-XKEyM_OE5NlItazdhKRrhXlI_l6aRlYx37T6EhCAK… > > It's turned into a very lively space where there's always a great conversation going on. > At tonight's meeting we're going to talk about it and ways that we can integrate it with email or use some other technology so that people don't get left out of the conversation! > > As usual, after the meeting we'll head out for dinner and keep the conversation going! > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/N64QK…

Feb. 17, 2026

Re: Ripple?

by Jon "maddog" Hall

I can not speak for every fiber provider or implementation, but I had Comcast Cable for a number of years, paying a premium for (at that time) 300 Mbps down and 60 Mbps up. The stability was fairly good, and I did not really see any degradation during "heavy use" times of the day. Then again, at that time my real-time use of the Internet was not extensive. I usually did email and upload/download of modestly large files (few greater than 4 Gbytes). At the same time a friend had fiber in Nashua, NH (about seven miles away) and was getting 1 Gbit sync up/down. I was jealous, but it was not on the horizon with Comcast. Then about five or so years ago Fidium came to down and offered fiber at 1 Gbit sync. I ordered that and when they were installing it in our community I talked with the installer and he told me that it would be capable of 10Gbit sync in the future. The 1 Gbit offer seemed to be "fast enough" and it was great. Later I found out they were offering 2 Gbit/sec to new customers at the same price I was paying. I called up and mentioned this. "Oh, you are right"...then TWEAK TWEAK and magically I had 2 Gbit/second sync. About that time my husband moved in and. He started working from home and I found that he was using ONE TERABYTE of data every month. Curious as to what was going on, I found that he was bit-blitting his workstation screen from Boston up to his monitor in our office (long, detailed technical story about why he felt this was necessary). I had not even noticed this load on the fiber or on the routing system in my house (long, detailed technical explanation why I put installed this in the first place). In the three years that he has been using "bit-blit" he is almost constantly in video contact with his co-workers (simultaneously with bit-blit) and I have other video meetings, watch YouTube videos, etc and no QoS issues. There was once where we have lost service for an hour, but we received messages through cellular telling us about it and then it was fixed. Other than that it has been rock solid (at least at the times we would notice it There are things I might change (and maybe I can now, I just have not asked lately). o Better use of IPv6. I can use it, but they will not commit to whether I have full control over the low order 64 bits or just the low order 48 bits. o Better use of my own Routers - they have WiFi routers that use load balancing in the WiFi for better QoS. Of course I can put my own routers off theirs, but I currently have no use case where I strongly need that. This may change soon. o No static IP (at least not at my price point). Of course there are ways around this. All in all, Fiber is one of the best things that ever happened to me....it is very close to being the #2 "best thing", but that slot is currently held by Hugo, my husband. #1 is being born. md On Sun, Feb 15, 2026 at 11:56 AM Mike Peckar via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Excited that a fiber option is coming to the neighborhood. Curious if > anyone here who has switched has had any issues QOS-wise. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CKK2N… >

Feb. 16, 2026

Re: Ripple?

by Michael Voorhis

I'm also curious, about QoS, and about stability of IP address. --MCV. On 2/15/26 8:14 PM, steve--- via WLUG wrote: > Super jealous!

Feb. 16, 2026

Re: Ripple?

by steve＠patternsoft.net

Super jealous! > On Feb 15, 2026, at 11:57 AM, Mike Peckar via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > Excited that a fiber option is coming to the neighborhood. Curious if anyone here who has switched has had any issues QOS-wise. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CKK2N…

Feb. 16, 2026

Ripple?

by Mike Peckar

Excited that a fiber option is coming to the neighborhood. Curious if anyone here who has switched has had any issues QOS-wise. Mike

Feb. 15, 2026

Feb. Talk " Your ISP Is Spying on You Slides

by steve＠patternsoft.net

This is a reveal.js set of slides. Just open the file in a browser. Arrows move through slides. S key brings up the presenter notes. Steve Thibault

Feb. 13, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Joshua" == Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> writes: We first need to setup a proper board, elect Tim as president, and have a proper paperwork for a non-profit so we can track all this properly. *grin* All part of the talk tonight. > I think it would be prudent to set up a Patreon, Liberapay account, > or some other crowd-funding method (if that hasn't been done > already) so that we can have a simple way to pool WLUG funding and > do so in a sustainable way so we don't have to jump through hoops > for recurring monthly donations. > I would gladly support WLUG with donations if it guaranteed funding for more hosted services. > Having a one-click monthly donation button would make that a lot easier. > - Josh > On Thu, Feb 12, 2026 at 2:11 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>>>> "steve---" == steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not >> take that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to >> pitch in? A maybe a WLUG patreon? > I love this idea and will be happy to pitch in too. >> On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're not in the > signal chat >> is a valid concern. >> Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet that hosted a >> private *something* for us. >> I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the "community" thing > that >> in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels like yelling into the ether instead > of a >> conversation. >> We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow. >> I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option? >> Tim. >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> What about Mattermost? >> "For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there > was >> always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some > unfinished >> business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that > these >> obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to >> happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that > time >> waits for no one." >> - Souza >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. It's only a >> problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your space and rooms are >> private, that attack vector closes. >> -------- Original Message -------- >> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes: >> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being >> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work. >> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it >> wouldn't be a problem? >> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these >> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal >> chats are shared widely as possible. >> And one of the choices I failed to list is: >> - instant messages (signal) >> - email threads. >> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages >> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need >> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read >> them. >> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it >> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both >> good and bad. LOL! >> John >>> I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse >>> can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and >>> Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely >>> join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to >>> you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private >>> server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to >>> store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious >>> if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar >>> offerings. >>> On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives >>>> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum >>>> users behind. >>>> >>>> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing >>>> together, no matter what their systems or resources are. >>>> >>>> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something >>>> new. >>>> >>>> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ >>>> >>>> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as >>>> well. In order of requirements I think: >>>> >>>> >>>> - needs to be open >>>> - WLUG needs to control the data >>>> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. >>>> - web based >>>> - CLI / plain text based >>>> - Apple/Android clients. >>>> - searchable >>>> - able to organize a bit into channels. >>>> - announcements >>>> - regular chat >>>> - questions or howtos >>>> >>>> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I >>>> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a >>>> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work >>>> laptop. >>>> >>>> So what do people think? >>>> >>>> John >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >> > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQDKN… >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LCJ64… >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/A7UIL… >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KLCVN… >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RIJFG… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/34YYR…

Feb. 12, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by Joshua Stone

I think it would be prudent to set up a Patreon, Liberapay account, or some other crowd-funding method (if that hasn't been done already) so that we can have a simple way to pool WLUG funding and do so in a sustainable way so we don't have to jump through hoops for recurring monthly donations. I would gladly support WLUG with donations if it guaranteed funding for more hosted services. Having a one-click monthly donation button would make that a lot easier. - Josh On Thu, Feb 12, 2026 at 2:11 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>>>> "steve---" == steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not > > take that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to > > pitch in? A maybe a WLUG patreon? > > I love this idea and will be happy to pitch in too. > > > > On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because > they're not in the signal chat > > is a valid concern. > > > Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO > droplet that hosted a > > private *something* for us. > > > I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug > the "community" thing that > > in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels like yelling > into the ether instead of a > > conversation. > > > We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow. > > > I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an > option? > > > Tim. > > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow < > traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > What about Mattermost? > > > "For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - > real life. But there was > > always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through > first, some unfinished > > business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it > dawned on me that these > > obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see > there is no way to > > happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you > have and remember that time > > waits for no one." > > - Souza > > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other > spaces. It's only a > > problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your > space and rooms are > > private, that attack vector closes. > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes: > > > Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is > CSAM being > > pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to > make work. > > But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server > it > > wouldn't be a problem? > > > Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on > these > > tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats > and signal > > chats are shared widely as possible. > > > And one of the choices I failed to list is: > > > - instant messages (signal) > > - email threads. > > > Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found > 130+ messages > > in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I > really need > > to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once > I read > > them. > > > But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be > watching it > > constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih > is both > > good and bad. LOL! > > > John > > >> I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse > >> can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and > >> Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely > >> join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to > >> you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private > >> server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to > >> store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious > >> if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar > >> offerings. > > >> On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG < > > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > >>> > >>> Hi all, > >>> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives > >>> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum > >>> users behind. > >>> > >>> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing > >>> together, no matter what their systems or resources are. > >>> > >>> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something > >>> new. > >>> > >>> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ > >>> > >>> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as > >>> well. In order of requirements I think: > >>> > >>> > >>> - needs to be open > >>> - WLUG needs to control the data > >>> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. > >>> - web based > >>> - CLI / plain text based > >>> - Apple/Android clients. > >>> - searchable > >>> - able to organize a bit into channels. > >>> - announcements > >>> - regular chat > >>> - questions or howtos > >>> > >>> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I > >>> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a > >>> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work > >>> laptop. > >>> > >>> So what do people think? > >>> > >>> John > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >>> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >>> Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQDKN… > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LCJ64… > > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/A7UIL… > > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KLCVN… > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RIJFG… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/34YYR… >

Feb. 12, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by Joel

Curious. What is WLUG talking about today hourly (to need comms via ICQ / stack / slack / discord / mattermost / whatever ) ? Can I pour through a prior message log to decide my own level of interest in this extra comms? Thank you, Joel Feb 12, 2026 2:11:34 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>: >>>>>> … > >> What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not >> take that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to >> pitch in? A maybe a WLUG patreon? > > I love this idea and will be happy to pitch in too. > > >> On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're not in the signal chat >> is a valid concern. > >> Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet that hosted a >> private *something* for us. > >> I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the "community" thing that >> in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels like yelling into the ether instead of a >> conversation. > >> We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow. > >> I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option? > >> Tim. > >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> What about Mattermost? > >> "For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there was >> always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished >> business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that these >> obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to >> happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time >> waits for no one." >> - Souza > >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. It's only a >> problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your space and rooms are >> private, that attack vector closes. > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>>>> … > >> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being >> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work. >> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it >> wouldn't be a problem? > >> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these >> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal >> chats are shared widely as possible. > >> And one of the choices I failed to list is: > >> - instant messages (signal) >> - email threads. > >> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages >> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need >> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read >> them. > >> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it >> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both >> good and bad. LOL! > >> John > >>> I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse >>> can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and >>> Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely >>> join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to >>> you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private >>> server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to >>> store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious >>> if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar >>> offerings. > >>> On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives >>>> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum >>>> users behind. >>>> >>>> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing >>>> together, no matter what their systems or resources are. >>>> >>>> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something >>>> new. >>>> >>>> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ >>>> >>>> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as >>>> well. In order of requirements I think: >>>> >>>> >>>> - needs to be open >>>> - WLUG needs to control the data >>>> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. >>>> - web based >>>> - CLI / plain text based >>>> - Apple/Android clients. >>>> - searchable >>>> - able to organize a bit into channels. >>>> - announcements >>>> - regular chat >>>> - questions or howtos >>>> >>>> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I >>>> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a >>>> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work >>>> laptop. >>>> >>>> So what do people think? >>>> >>>> John >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQDKN… >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LCJ64… > >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/A7UIL… > >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KLCVN… >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RIJFG… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/34YYR…

Feb. 12, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "steve---" == steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not > take that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to > pitch in? A maybe a WLUG patreon? I love this idea and will be happy to pitch in too. > On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're not in the signal chat > is a valid concern. > Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet that hosted a > private *something* for us. > I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the "community" thing that > in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels like yelling into the ether instead of a > conversation. > We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow. > I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option? > Tim. > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com> wrote: > What about Mattermost? > "For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there was > always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished > business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that these > obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to > happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time > waits for no one." > - Souza > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. It's only a > problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your space and rooms are > private, that attack vector closes. > -------- Original Message -------- > On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes: > Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being > pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work. > But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it > wouldn't be a problem? > Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these > tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal > chats are shared widely as possible. > And one of the choices I failed to list is: > - instant messages (signal) > - email threads. > Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages > in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need > to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read > them. > But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it > constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both > good and bad. LOL! > John >> I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse >> can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and >> Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely >> join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to >> you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private >> server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to >> store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious >> if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar >> offerings. >> On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives >>> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum >>> users behind. >>> >>> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing >>> together, no matter what their systems or resources are. >>> >>> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something >>> new. >>> >>> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ >>> >>> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as >>> well. In order of requirements I think: >>> >>> >>> - needs to be open >>> - WLUG needs to control the data >>> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. >>> - web based >>> - CLI / plain text based >>> - Apple/Android clients. >>> - searchable >>> - able to organize a bit into channels. >>> - announcements >>> - regular chat >>> - questions or howtos >>> >>> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I >>> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a >>> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work >>> laptop. >>> >>> So what do people think? >>> >>> John >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQDKN… >>> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LCJ64… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/A7UIL… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KLCVN… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RIJFG…

Feb. 12, 2026

REMINDER: WLUG Meeting Tonight! Topic: DNS Redirection.

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting! Date/Time: February 12th, 2026 @ 7PM Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: DNS Interception. Speaker: Steve Thibault At every turn, companies are looking for ways to monetize data. It should be no surprise that DNS is one of these. Recently a fellow WLUG member Steve Thibault discovered that their upstream provider was intercepting his DNS queries and worked to fight against this. Steve is going to tell us his story of how he discovered what his provider was doing and what he did to foil their prying eyes. We have a signal group and the invite is here: https://signal.group/#CjQKIKlVuif-XKEyM_OE5NlItazdhKRrhXlI_l6aRlYx37T6EhCAK… It's turned into a very lively space where there's always a great conversation going on. At tonight's meeting we're going to talk about it and ways that we can integrate it with email or use some other technology so that people don't get left out of the conversation! As usual, after the meeting we'll head out for dinner and keep the conversation going! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 12, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by Cara Salter

I like discourse as modern forum software. It's pleasant as both a user and an administrator/moderator, and the email integration is good. Cara -------- Original Message -------- From: Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: February 10, 2026 6:01:56 PM CST To: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org Cc: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)fea.st> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Replacing discord... Signal is too much--I have thousands of unread messages, most of which were sent by 2 people. Signal is for real-time conversations (like IRC), not discussions to be read at leisure (like email lists or forums). Fedora uses Discourse (not Discord). Maybe that's worth investigating? I've been mostly able to live with its email integration. "https://www.discourse.org/about Open source at heart Discourse has been open source since 2013, with our full codebase on GitHub. Your community data is never locked into a proprietary system; you can self-host, migrate away if your needs change, or customize the platform in ways closed software won't allow. Hundreds of developers have contributed security patches, accessibility improvements, and new features over the years. It's how we believe community software should be built." On Tue, Feb 10, 2026 at 05:20:16PM -0500, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > >>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes: > > Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being > pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work. > But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it > wouldn't be a problem? > > Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these > tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal > chats are shared widely as possible. > > And one of the choices I failed to list is: > > - instant messages (signal) > - email threads. > > Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages > in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need > to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read > them. > > But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it > constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both > good and bad. LOL! > > John > > > > I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse > > can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and > > Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely > > join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to > > you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private > > server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to > > store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious > > if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar > > offerings. > > > > > On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > >> > >> Hi all, > >> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives > >> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum > >> users behind. > >> > >> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing > >> together, no matter what their systems or resources are. > >> > >> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something > >> new. > >> > >> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ > >> > >> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as > >> well. In order of requirements I think: > >> > >> > >> - needs to be open > >> - WLUG needs to control the data > >> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. > >> - web based > >> - CLI / plain text based > >> - Apple/Android clients. > >> - searchable > >> - able to organize a bit into channels. > >> - announcements > >> - regular chat > >> - questions or howtos > >> > >> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I > >> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a > >> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work > >> laptop. > >> > >> So what do people think? _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/G637C…

Feb. 12, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes: But I'd like our servers and spaces to be public! We want to encourage people to join, or at least make it trivial for people to join and see us and our community. > I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other > spaces. It's only a problem for public servers because anyone can > join. If your space and rooms are private, that attack vector > closes. > -------- Original Message -------- > On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes: > Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being > pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work. > But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it > wouldn't be a problem? > Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these > tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal > chats are shared widely as possible. > And one of the choices I failed to list is: > - instant messages (signal) > - email threads. > Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages > in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need > to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read > them. > But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it > constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both > good and bad. LOL! > John >> I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse >> can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and >> Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely >> join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to >> you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private >> server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to >> store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious >> if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar >> offerings. >> On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives >>> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum >>> users behind. >>> >>> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing >>> together, no matter what their systems or resources are. >>> >>> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something >>> new. >>> >>> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ >>> >>> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as >>> well. In order of requirements I think: >>> >>> >>> - needs to be open >>> - WLUG needs to control the data >>> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. >>> - web based >>> - CLI / plain text based >>> - Apple/Android clients. >>> - searchable >>> - able to organize a bit into channels. >>> - announcements >>> - regular chat >>> - questions or howtos >>> >>> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I >>> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a >>> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work >>> laptop. >>> >>> So what do people think? >>> >>> John >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQDKN… >>> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LCJ64…

Feb. 11, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by Tim Keller

My plan is to start my own stable coin.. I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". On Wed, Feb 11, 2026, 7:34 AM <steve(a)patternsoft.net> wrote: > What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not take > that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to pitch in? A > maybe a WLUG patreon? > > On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > > John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're > not in the signal chat is a valid concern. > > Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet > that hosted a private *something* for us. > > I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the > "community" thing that in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels > like yelling into the ether instead of a conversation. > > We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow. > > I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option? > > Tim. > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> What about Mattermost? >> >> >> *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real >> life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten >> through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to >> be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This >> perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is >> the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for >> no one."*- Souza >> >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. >>> It's only a problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your >>> space and rooms are private, that attack vector closes. >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes: >>> >>> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being >>> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work. >>> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it >>> wouldn't be a problem? >>> >>> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these >>> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal >>> chats are shared widely as possible. >>> >>> And one of the choices I failed to list is: >>> >>> - instant messages (signal) >>> - email threads. >>> >>> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages >>> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need >>> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read >>> them. >>> >>> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it >>> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both >>> good and bad. LOL! >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> > I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse >>> > can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and >>> > Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely >>> > join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to >>> > you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private >>> > server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to >>> > store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious >>> > if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar >>> > offerings. >>> >>> >>> >>> > On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>> >> >>> >> Hi all, >>> >> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives >>> >> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum >>> >> users behind. >>> >> >>> >> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing >>> >> together, no matter what their systems or resources are. >>> >> >>> >> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something >>> >> new. >>> >> >>> >> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ >>> >> >>> >> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as >>> >> well. In order of requirements I think: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> - needs to be open >>> >> - WLUG needs to control the data >>> >> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. >>> >> - web based >>> >> - CLI / plain text based >>> >> - Apple/Android clients. >>> >> - searchable >>> >> - able to organize a bit into channels. >>> >> - announcements >>> >> - regular chat >>> >> - questions or howtos >>> >> >>> >> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I >>> >> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a >>> >> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work >>> >> laptop. >>> >> >>> >> So what do people think? >>> >> >>> >> John >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> >> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> >> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQDKN… >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LCJ64… >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/A7UIL… >>> >> _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KLCVN… > >

Feb. 11, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by steve＠patternsoft.net

Feb. 11, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by Tim Keller

John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're not in the signal chat is a valid concern. Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet that hosted a private *something* for us. I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the "community" thing that in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels like yelling into the ether instead of a conversation. We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow. I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option? Tim. On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com> wrote: > What about Mattermost? > > > *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real > life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten > through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to > be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This > perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is > the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for > no one."*- Souza > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. It's >> only a problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your space >> and rooms are private, that attack vector closes. >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes: >> >> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being >> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work. >> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it >> wouldn't be a problem? >> >> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these >> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal >> chats are shared widely as possible. >> >> And one of the choices I failed to list is: >> >> - instant messages (signal) >> - email threads. >> >> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages >> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need >> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read >> them. >> >> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it >> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both >> good and bad. LOL! >> >> John >> >> >> > I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse >> > can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and >> > Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely >> > join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to >> > you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private >> > server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to >> > store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious >> > if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar >> > offerings. >> >> >> >> > On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives >> >> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum >> >> users behind. >> >> >> >> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing >> >> together, no matter what their systems or resources are. >> >> >> >> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something >> >> new. >> >> >> >> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ >> >> >> >> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as >> >> well. In order of requirements I think: >> >> >> >> >> >> - needs to be open >> >> - WLUG needs to control the data >> >> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. >> >> - web based >> >> - CLI / plain text based >> >> - Apple/Android clients. >> >> - searchable >> >> - able to organize a bit into channels. >> >> - announcements >> >> - regular chat >> >> - questions or howtos >> >> >> >> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I >> >> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a >> >> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work >> >> laptop. >> >> >> >> So what do people think? >> >> >> >> John >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQDKN… >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LCJ64… >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/A7UIL… >> >

Feb. 11, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by Tracie Winslow

What about Mattermost? *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for no one."*- Souza On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. It's > only a problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your space > and rooms are private, that attack vector closes. > > -------- Original Message -------- > On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes: > > Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being > pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work. > But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it > wouldn't be a problem? > > Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these > tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal > chats are shared widely as possible. > > And one of the choices I failed to list is: > > - instant messages (signal) > - email threads. > > Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages > in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need > to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read > them. > > But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it > constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both > good and bad. LOL! > > John > > > > I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse > > can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and > > Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely > > join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to > > you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private > > server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to > > store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious > > if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar > > offerings. > > > > > On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > >> > >> Hi all, > >> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives > >> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum > >> users behind. > >> > >> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing > >> together, no matter what their systems or resources are. > >> > >> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something > >> new. > >> > >> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ > >> > >> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as > >> well. In order of requirements I think: > >> > >> > >> - needs to be open > >> - WLUG needs to control the data > >> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. > >> - web based > >> - CLI / plain text based > >> - Apple/Android clients. > >> - searchable > >> - able to organize a bit into channels. > >> - announcements > >> - regular chat > >> - questions or howtos > >> > >> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I > >> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a > >> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work > >> laptop. > >> > >> So what do people think? > >> > >> John > >> _______________________________________________ > >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >> Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQDKN… > >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LCJ64… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/A7UIL… >

Feb. 11, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by eroc1990

I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. It's only a problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your space and rooms are private, that attack vector closes. -------- Original Message -------- On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes: Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work. But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it wouldn't be a problem? Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal chats are shared widely as possible. And one of the choices I failed to list is: - instant messages (signal) - email threads. Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read them. But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both good and bad. LOL! John > I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse > can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and > Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely > join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to > you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private > server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to > store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious > if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar > offerings. > On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives >> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum >> users behind. >> >> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing >> together, no matter what their systems or resources are. >> >> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something >> new. >> >> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ >> >> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as >> well. In order of requirements I think: >> >> >> - needs to be open >> - WLUG needs to control the data >> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. >> - web based >> - CLI / plain text based >> - Apple/Android clients. >> - searchable >> - able to organize a bit into channels. >> - announcements >> - regular chat >> - questions or howtos >> >> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I >> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a >> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work >> laptop. >> >> So what do people think? >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQDKN… >> _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LCJ64…

Feb. 11, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by Chuck Anderson

Signal is too much--I have thousands of unread messages, most of which were sent by 2 people. Signal is for real-time conversations (like IRC), not discussions to be read at leisure (like email lists or forums). Fedora uses Discourse (not Discord). Maybe that's worth investigating? I've been mostly able to live with its email integration. "https://www.discourse.org/about Open source at heart Discourse has been open source since 2013, with our full codebase on GitHub. Your community data is never locked into a proprietary system; you can self-host, migrate away if your needs change, or customize the platform in ways closed software won't allow. Hundreds of developers have contributed security patches, accessibility improvements, and new features over the years. It's how we believe community software should be built." On Tue, Feb 10, 2026 at 05:20:16PM -0500, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > >>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes: > > Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being > pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work. > But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it > wouldn't be a problem? > > Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these > tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal > chats are shared widely as possible. > > And one of the choices I failed to list is: > > - instant messages (signal) > - email threads. > > Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages > in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need > to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read > them. > > But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it > constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both > good and bad. LOL! > > John > > > > I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse > > can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and > > Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely > > join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to > > you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private > > server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to > > store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious > > if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar > > offerings. > > > > > On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > >> > >> Hi all, > >> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives > >> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum > >> users behind. > >> > >> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing > >> together, no matter what their systems or resources are. > >> > >> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something > >> new. > >> > >> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ > >> > >> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as > >> well. In order of requirements I think: > >> > >> > >> - needs to be open > >> - WLUG needs to control the data > >> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. > >> - web based > >> - CLI / plain text based > >> - Apple/Android clients. > >> - searchable > >> - able to organize a bit into channels. > >> - announcements > >> - regular chat > >> - questions or howtos > >> > >> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I > >> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a > >> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work > >> laptop. > >> > >> So what do people think?

Feb. 11, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes: Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work. But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it wouldn't be a problem? Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal chats are shared widely as possible. And one of the choices I failed to list is: - instant messages (signal) - email threads. Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read them. But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both good and bad. LOL! John > I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse > can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and > Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely > join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to > you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private > server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to > store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious > if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar > offerings. > On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives >> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum >> users behind. >> >> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing >> together, no matter what their systems or resources are. >> >> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something >> new. >> >> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ >> >> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as >> well. In order of requirements I think: >> >> >> - needs to be open >> - WLUG needs to control the data >> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. >> - web based >> - CLI / plain text based >> - Apple/Android clients. >> - searchable >> - able to organize a bit into channels. >> - announcements >> - regular chat >> - questions or howtos >> >> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I >> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a >> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work >> laptop. >> >> So what do people think? >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQDKN… >>

Feb. 10, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by eroc1990

I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar offerings. On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Hi all, > A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives > for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum > users behind. > > And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing > together, no matter what their systems or resources are. > > I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something > new. > > https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ > > And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as > well. In order of requirements I think: > > > - needs to be open > - WLUG needs to control the data > - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. > - web based > - CLI / plain text based > - Apple/Android clients. > - searchable > - able to organize a bit into channels. > - announcements > - regular chat > - questions or howtos > > Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I > can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a > pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work > laptop. > > So what do people think? > > John > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQDKN… >

Feb. 10, 2026

Replacing discord...

by John Stoffel

Hi all, A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum users behind. And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing together, no matter what their systems or resources are. I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something new. https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as well. In order of requirements I think: - needs to be open - WLUG needs to control the data - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. - web based - CLI / plain text based - Apple/Android clients. - searchable - able to organize a bit into channels. - announcements - regular chat - questions or howtos Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work laptop. So what do people think? John

Feb. 10, 2026

Reminder: WLUG Meeting Feb 12th, 2026: Topic: DNS Interception.

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting! Date/Time: February 12th, 2026 @ 7PM Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: DNS Interception. Speaker: Steve Thibault At every turn, companies are looking for ways to monetize data. It should be no surprise that DNS is one of these. Recently a fellow WLUG member Steve Thibault discovered that their upstream provider was intercepting his DNS queries and worked to fight against this. Steve is going to tell us his story of how he discovered what his provider was doing and what he did to foil their prying eyes. As usual, after the meeting we'll head out for dinner and keep the conversation going! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 10, 2026

First WLUG meeting of the year!! January 8th 2026 @ 7PM Location: Technocopia!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! This is our first WLUG meeting of the year! Date & Time: 1/8/26 @ 7PM Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Still figuring that out! Got ideas let me know. At a minimum we'll talk about what we want to talk about this year. Looking at the signal chat we can have a more thorough talk about BcacheFS vs OpenZFS vs. Btrfs. I can give people an update with my wife and her fun with Bazzite. I'm hoping I can get my hands on a couple pieces of identical laptop hardware and do a head to head performance test of CachyOS vs. some other distro to show off the greatness or lack thereof of the BORE (Burst-Oriented Response Enhancer) scheduler. We can talk about the Helium browser vs. Chromium vs. Chrome.. Lots to talk about. As usual we'll head out for dinner afterwards and we'll keep the conversation going! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 5, 2026

Re: WLUG MEETING TONIGHT!

by Evan White

> It all went too fast for me. I thought 'git' was for multi-programmer > group projects. Do you use it just to keep track of versions of > your own project? I have used git for solo projects or those in a group or organization. Jujutsu effectively extended the capabilities of Git to allow me to handcraft the recent version history, for the sake of better organization for myself, or making it easier for others to review. This is especially important now that algorithms (Claude, etc.) are writing a lot of my revisions. I need to be able to, e.g. combine a messy log of changes made in separate revisions during experimentation, and split it up into a clean and well-reviewed series of revisions. Once some revisions get pushed to the trunk, they become 'immutable' in Jujutsu, so nobody can go rewriting the history of the trunk. All of this was already possible in Git, and many Git power users suffered the roundabout way of doing these things. Jujutsu made it straightforward by removing the working tree and staging area of git, such that you are always editing a revision that is synchronized continuously with the filesystem, and allowing arbitrary revisions to be directly operated on with a rich set of tools. > Now I ask: Can I get a root shell? > Is Linux just hidden, or is it broken and forbidden? In Android, there are third-party facilities to give root access to apps, and one of those apps could be a terminal. Termux is one such app that is like a container without root which uses Debian packaging in it (Android is not natively capable of it). Termux can elevate to root access over all of Android if your installation allows it. The Android ecosystem, its graphical shell, and its application paradigm are generally much different from the free & open Linux ecosystem. Most vendors (smartphone manufacturers, etc.) default install of Android do not allow root access to apps, and you usually need third-party modifications to access root, or an unlocked bootloader to install an open version of Android for that platform if one even exists. > Would it be easier to install Debian on an Android machine than a Windows machine? > Are BIOS passwords a problem? That's a big issue, and it's even worse than a BIOS password; it's usually a fully locked bootloader. As far as I can tell, the smartphone ecosystem upon which Android is built was never really designed to be open and standardized like PCs were, and it was more profitable or "secure" for this to be the status quo. Since Windows machines are x86 PCs without locked bootloaders (at least for now), it will be much easier to install Debian with root on them. Android can permit you to use a Debian-like environment in a container app like Termux. Some manufacturers are making Linux-friendly smartphones, but if you're weighing the options between Android and Windows, I assume you are looking at small laptops. ________________________________ From: Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2025 10:32 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> Subject: [WLUG] WLUG MEETING TONIGHT! >>Join the signal chat for more details. >> Thanks, Tim.A steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > how does one join the signal chat? I was about to ask the same question, but I thought I didn't need to, since somebody had already asked it. John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Yeah, I don't know either for some reason. And is it private to WLUG > only or can we put details onto the web page? But now two people have asked and nobody answered. So: How is it done? Is this the same "signal" that the Secretary of Undeclared War got in trouble for using? ---------- Evan White via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > We had a great discussion mostly about Jujutsu, and the philosophy of > Git commit organization, ... , etc. It all went too fast for me. I thought 'git' was for multi-programmer group projects. Do you use it just to keep track of versions of your own project? ---------- Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Topic: National Right to Repair day > Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG. > > Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this meeting. PIRG > is an organization that among many other causes is advocating at the national level for > the right to repair. As we are all aware, with Win10 reaching EOL, this is causing a > tsunami of e-waste as people are forced to upgrade to run Win11. I was not clear if they are expecting people to bring old computers to have Linux installed, or if I can just give cash and get an old computer. Also I asked whether Android was Linux hidden behind a "user interface". People seemed to agree that that was about right. Now I ask: Can I get a root shell? Is Linux just hidden, or is it broken and forbidden? I am looking for a extra "back-up" laptop. Would it be easier to install Debian on an Android machine than a Windows machine? Are BIOS passwords a problem? -- Keith _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QGC2Z…

Dec. 24, 2025

Re: cool hw probe/info command: inxi

by eroc1990

For other recentish Windows expats like me that miss hwinfo64, I recently discivered OCCT (https://www.ocbase.com/download) It's a good way to get similar information out of a GUI like hwinfo64 presented. -------- Original Message -------- On Monday, 12/15/25 at 08:25 Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: Another one I've seen going around on the forums: fastfetch It shows a cute color ASCII logo of your OS followed by system info. Here is the Fedora logo: .',;::::;,'. .';:cccccccccccc:;,. .;cccccccccccccccccccccc;. .:cccccccccccccccccccccccccc:. .;ccccccccccccc;.:dddl:.;ccccccc;. .:ccccccccccccc;OWMKOOXMWd;ccccccc:. .:ccccccccccccc;KMMc;cc;xMMc;ccccccc:. ,cccccccccccccc;MMM.;cc;;WW:;cccccccc, :cccccccccccccc;MMM.;cccccccccccccccc: :ccccccc;oxOOOo;MMM000k.;cccccccccccc: cccccc;0MMKxdd:;MMMkddc.;cccccccccccc; ccccc;XMO';cccc;MMM.;cccccccccccccccc' ccccc;MMo;ccccc;MMW.;ccccccccccccccc; ccccc;0MNc.ccc.xMMd;ccccccccccccccc; cccccc;dNMWXXXWM0:;cccccccccccccc:, cccccccc;.:odl:.;cccccccccccccc:,. ccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc:'. :ccccccccccccccccccccccc:;,.. ':cccccccccccccccc::;,. On Sun, Dec 14, 2025 at 03:51:51PM -0500, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > >>>>> "Doug" == Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > If this is already familiar to most/all of you pardon my excitement! > > Nope, very first time I've heard of this! I usually use just the > basics: > > lshw > lspci > blkid > lsscsi > lsusb > lscpu (new to me...) > uname -a > cat /etc/os-release (only on distros in past 10 years > usually?) > > But this is a great thing to share! > John _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/D2FCL…

Dec. 16, 2025

Re: cool hw probe/info command: inxi

by Chuck Anderson

Another one I've seen going around on the forums: fastfetch It shows a cute color ASCII logo of your OS followed by system info. Here is the Fedora logo: .',;::::;,'. .';:cccccccccccc:;,. .;cccccccccccccccccccccc;. .:cccccccccccccccccccccccccc:. .;ccccccccccccc;.:dddl:.;ccccccc;. .:ccccccccccccc;OWMKOOXMWd;ccccccc:. .:ccccccccccccc;KMMc;cc;xMMc;ccccccc:. ,cccccccccccccc;MMM.;cc;;WW:;cccccccc, :cccccccccccccc;MMM.;cccccccccccccccc: :ccccccc;oxOOOo;MMM000k.;cccccccccccc: cccccc;0MMKxdd:;MMMkddc.;cccccccccccc; ccccc;XMO';cccc;MMM.;cccccccccccccccc' ccccc;MMo;ccccc;MMW.;ccccccccccccccc; ccccc;0MNc.ccc.xMMd;ccccccccccccccc; cccccc;dNMWXXXWM0:;cccccccccccccc:, cccccccc;.:odl:.;cccccccccccccc:,. ccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc:'. :ccccccccccccccccccccccc:;,.. ':cccccccccccccccc::;,. On Sun, Dec 14, 2025 at 03:51:51PM -0500, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > >>>>> "Doug" == Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > If this is already familiar to most/all of you pardon my excitement! > > Nope, very first time I've heard of this! I usually use just the > basics: > > lshw > lspci > blkid > lsscsi > lsusb > lscpu (new to me...) > uname -a > cat /etc/os-release (only on distros in past 10 years > usually?) > > But this is a great thing to share! > John

Dec. 15, 2025

Re: cool hw probe/info command: inxi

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Doug" == Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > If this is already familiar to most/all of you pardon my excitement! Nope, very first time I've heard of this! I usually use just the basics: lshw lspci blkid lsscsi lsusb lscpu (new to me...) uname -a cat /etc/os-release (only on distros in past 10 years usually?) But this is a great thing to share! John > I have always been interested in the ways to get info about PC > hardware. ( using "cat" on various bizarre files in /proc/.... ) > "dmesg" output ...so much more. > Today I finally ran into inxi. One interesting flag/arg is -x > ..extra level(s) of output for various options. > -xx : double extra info. -xxx : triple extra info. > Trivia: inxi --help outputs 549 lines on my Mint 22.2 > man inxi is almost 3000 lines long..w big thanks to > contributors at the end. > It's a perl script! /usr/bin/ixni is over 38,000 lines long. > One common choice of flags for a big picture is: inxi -Fs > Here's a few sample outputs on 2011 Lenovo Thinkpad with the original > SSD and original oversized battery: > doug0@X230:~$ inxi -Dxxx > Drives: > Local Storage: total: 119.24 GiB used: 37.2 GiB (31.2%) > ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Samsung model: MZ7PC128HAFU-000L1 size: 119.24 GiB > speed: 6.0 Gb/s tech: SSD serial: S0U8NSAC532113 fw-rev: 4L1Q scheme: MBR > doug0@X230:~$ inxi -Bxxx > Battery: > ID-1: BAT0 charge: 28.1 Wh (99.3%) condition: 28.3/86.6 Wh (32.7%) > volts: 12.1 min: 11.1 model: LGC 45N1029 type: Li-ion serial: 8428 > status: not charging > Above, i had charger plugged in but it was fully charged =="not charging". > Below, after I unplugged charger, interesting to see "power" on batt: > doug0@X230:~$ inxi -Bxxx > Battery: > ID-1: BAT0 charge: 28.1 Wh (99.3%) condition: 28.3/86.6 Wh (32.7%) > power: 6.9 W volts: 11.8 min: 11.1 model: LGC 45N1029 type: Li-ion > serial: 8428 status: discharging > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QQKH4…

Dec. 14, 2025

cool hw probe/info command: inxi

by Doug Mildram

If this is already familiar to most/all of you pardon my excitement! I have always been interested in the ways to get info about PC hardware. ( using "cat" on various bizarre files in /proc/.... ) "dmesg" output ...so much more. Today I finally ran into inxi. One interesting flag/arg is -x ..extra level(s) of output for various options. -xx : double extra info. -xxx : triple extra info. Trivia: inxi --help outputs 549 lines on my Mint 22.2 man inxi is almost 3000 lines long..w big thanks to contributors at the end. It's a perl script! /usr/bin/ixni is over 38,000 lines long. One common choice of flags for a big picture is: inxi -Fs Here's a few sample outputs on 2011 Lenovo Thinkpad with the original SSD and original oversized battery: doug0@X230:~$ inxi -Dxxx Drives: Local Storage: total: 119.24 GiB used: 37.2 GiB (31.2%) ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Samsung model: MZ7PC128HAFU-000L1 size: 119.24 GiB speed: 6.0 Gb/s tech: SSD serial: S0U8NSAC532113 fw-rev: 4L1Q scheme: MBR doug0@X230:~$ inxi -Bxxx Battery: ID-1: BAT0 charge: 28.1 Wh (99.3%) condition: 28.3/86.6 Wh (32.7%) volts: 12.1 min: 11.1 model: LGC 45N1029 type: Li-ion serial: 8428 status: not charging Above, i had charger plugged in but it was fully charged =="not charging". Below, after I unplugged charger, interesting to see "power" on batt: doug0@X230:~$ inxi -Bxxx Battery: ID-1: BAT0 charge: 28.1 Wh (99.3%) condition: 28.3/86.6 Wh (32.7%) power: 6.9 W volts: 11.8 min: 11.1 model: LGC 45N1029 type: Li-ion serial: 8428 status: discharging

Dec. 13, 2025

Re: WLUG MEETING TONIGHT!

by Tim Keller

Here is the link to the signal channel! https://signal.group/#CjQKIKlVuif-XKEyM_OE5NlItazdhKRrhXlI_l6aRlYx37T6EhCAK… Thanks, Tim. I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". On Thu, Dec 11, 2025, 5:48 AM steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I missed the original message about it even though it’s in my mailbox. I > forwarded it to the list. And I do recall getting a reply to my message > about joining but I cannot find it. Hopefully though the link in the > forward works? > > > On Dec 10, 2025, at 10:34 PM, Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > > > >> > >>> Join the signal chat for more details. >> Thanks, Tim.A > > steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> how does one join the signal chat? > > > > I was about to ask the same question, but I thought I didn't > > need to, since somebody had already asked it. > > > > John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > >> Yeah, I don't know either for some reason. And is it private to WLUG > >> only or can we put details onto the web page? > > > > But now two people have asked and nobody answered. > > > > So: How is it done? > > > > Is this the same "signal" that the Secretary of Undeclared War > > got in trouble for using? > > > > ---------- > > > > Evan White via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > >> We had a great discussion mostly about Jujutsu, and the philosophy of > >> Git commit organization, ... , etc. > > > > It all went too fast for me. I thought 'git' was for multi-programmer > > group projects. Do you use it just to keep track of versions of > > your own project? > > > > ---------- > > > > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > >> Topic: National Right to Repair day > >> Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG. > >> > >> Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this > meeting. PIRG > >> is an organization that among many other causes is advocating at the > national level for > >> the right to repair. As we are all aware, with Win10 reaching EOL, this > is causing a > >> tsunami of e-waste as people are forced to upgrade to run Win11. > > > > I was not clear if they are expecting people to bring old computers > > to have Linux installed, or if I can just give cash and get an > > old computer. > > > > Also I asked whether Android was Linux hidden behind a "user interface". > > People seemed to agree that that was about right. > > Now I ask: Can I get a root shell? > > > > Is Linux just hidden, or is it broken and forbidden? > > > > I am looking for a extra "back-up" laptop. Would it be easier to > > install Debian on an Android machine than a Windows machine? > > > > Are BIOS passwords a problem? > > > > -- Keith > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QGC2Z… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PZROP… >

Dec. 11, 2025

Re: WLUG MEETING TONIGHT!

by steve＠patternsoft.net

I missed the original message about it even though it’s in my mailbox. I forwarded it to the list. And I do recall getting a reply to my message about joining but I cannot find it. Hopefully though the link in the forward works? > On Dec 10, 2025, at 10:34 PM, Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > >> >>> Join the signal chat for more details. >> Thanks, Tim.A > steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> how does one join the signal chat? > > I was about to ask the same question, but I thought I didn't > need to, since somebody had already asked it. > > John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> Yeah, I don't know either for some reason. And is it private to WLUG >> only or can we put details onto the web page? > > But now two people have asked and nobody answered. > > So: How is it done? > > Is this the same "signal" that the Secretary of Undeclared War > got in trouble for using? > > ---------- > > Evan White via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> We had a great discussion mostly about Jujutsu, and the philosophy of >> Git commit organization, ... , etc. > > It all went too fast for me. I thought 'git' was for multi-programmer > group projects. Do you use it just to keep track of versions of > your own project? > > ---------- > > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> Topic: National Right to Repair day >> Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG. >> >> Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this meeting. PIRG >> is an organization that among many other causes is advocating at the national level for >> the right to repair. As we are all aware, with Win10 reaching EOL, this is causing a >> tsunami of e-waste as people are forced to upgrade to run Win11. > > I was not clear if they are expecting people to bring old computers > to have Linux installed, or if I can just give cash and get an > old computer. > > Also I asked whether Android was Linux hidden behind a "user interface". > People seemed to agree that that was about right. > Now I ask: Can I get a root shell? > > Is Linux just hidden, or is it broken and forbidden? > > I am looking for a extra "back-up" laptop. Would it be easier to > install Debian on an Android machine than a Windows machine? > > Are BIOS passwords a problem? > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QGC2Z…

Dec. 11, 2025

Fwd: Signal channel..

by steve＠patternsoft.net

Begin forwarded message: > From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Date: October 9, 2025 at 10:17:54 AM EDT > To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [WLUG] Signal channel.. > Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > > I've created a signal channel for all of us. Signal has a nice linux desktop client as well. > > https://signal.group/#CjQKIKlVuif-XKEyM_OE5NlItazdhKRrhXlI_l6aRlYx37T6EhCAK… > > Currently myself, Jansen and Evan are in it. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LEKFZ…

Dec. 11, 2025

WLUG MEETING TONIGHT!

by Keith Wright

>>Join the signal chat for more details. >> Thanks, Tim.A steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > how does one join the signal chat? I was about to ask the same question, but I thought I didn't need to, since somebody had already asked it. John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Yeah, I don't know either for some reason. And is it private to WLUG > only or can we put details onto the web page? But now two people have asked and nobody answered. So: How is it done? Is this the same "signal" that the Secretary of Undeclared War got in trouble for using? ---------- Evan White via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > We had a great discussion mostly about Jujutsu, and the philosophy of > Git commit organization, ... , etc. It all went too fast for me. I thought 'git' was for multi-programmer group projects. Do you use it just to keep track of versions of your own project? ---------- Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Topic: National Right to Repair day > Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG. > > Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this meeting. PIRG > is an organization that among many other causes is advocating at the national level for > the right to repair. As we are all aware, with Win10 reaching EOL, this is causing a > tsunami of e-waste as people are forced to upgrade to run Win11. I was not clear if they are expecting people to bring old computers to have Linux installed, or if I can just give cash and get an old computer. Also I asked whether Android was Linux hidden behind a "user interface". People seemed to agree that that was about right. Now I ask: Can I get a root shell? Is Linux just hidden, or is it broken and forbidden? I am looking for a extra "back-up" laptop. Would it be easier to install Debian on an Android machine than a Windows machine? Are BIOS passwords a problem? -- Keith

Dec. 11, 2025

REMINDER!! WLUG MEETING TOMORROW!! Dec 11th 2025! Topic: Bazzite!

by Tim Keller

Here we are, the last WLUG meeting for 2025! Time: 7PM Date: December 11th, 2025 Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Gaming on Linux! I'm going to be showing off my bazzite powered gaming desktop (that my wife is going to be the primary driver on) In the past I've had lots of conversations with potential linux users that go something like "Linux is so cool, but about my games.." and then the conversation gets awkward. I know there's some complicated stuff going on at Steam, but one thing they have done as a company is really pushed the envelope for gaming on linux. Bazzite aims to be a distro that just has it all working out of the box and makes use of the silver/blue bootc environment to make the machine more resilient to novice linux users that might accidentally break something or lose power mid upgrade, etc. I'm sure it's going to be a lively discussion and there will be lots to talk about. I also know that Technocopia is doing a xmas party / maker swap so we'll want to be respectful to them as well. As always afterwards we'll head out for some dinner and keep the conversation going. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 10, 2025

WLUG Meeting December 11th 2025! Topic: Bazzite

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! Here are the details: Date: December 11th, 2025 @ 7pm Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland Ave. Worcester Ma. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Bazzite Wow, it's been a crazy year! I'm going to do a quick talk on bazzite. A linux distribution focused on gaming. Atomic in nature it's focused on providing a great stable gaming environment. This is a topic that's hitting close to me as my wife's gaming windows 10 machine is incapable of running win11.. My hope is that this will do everything she needs to do and more. Hopefully I'll have a demo to do as well showing off a machine running bazzite. After the meeting we'll head off for dinner and continue the conversation! I hope to see you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 3, 2025

Re: Reminder! Meeting TONIGHT!!! 11/19 Location: Technocopia, Topic: Jujitsu

by John Stoffel

Evan, Thanks so much for your talk wednesday, it was really interesting to learn about all these new tools. Insprired me to improve my workflow as well when I use git. And thank you for all the references and links to primary sources, that really helps alot! Cheers, John

Nov. 21, 2025

Re: Reminder! Meeting TONIGHT!!! 11/19 Location: Technocopia, Topic: Jujitsu

by Evan White

We had a great discussion mostly about Jujutsu, and the philosophy of Git commit organization, giraffe violence, etc. This is the main resource that got me acquainted with jj https://maddie.wtf/posts/2025-07-21-jujutsu-for-busy-devs and otherwise jjui exposes a lot of jj functionality intuitively. I've also reviewed a lot of this more step-by-step comprehensive guide at https://steveklabnik.github.io/jujutsu-tutorial/. Here's a list of the auxiliary tools we looked at, which will require little extra config to set up with jj. Most of these can also be used with plain git. * Difftastic https://github.com/Wilfred/difftastic syntax-aware diff renderer * Mergiraf https://mergiraf.org/ resolves or narrows merge conflicts safely using syntax-aware algorithms * opencode https://opencode.ai/ a FOSS provider-agnostic TUI for AI coding (I am working on opencode features that closely integrate with my usage of jj) * jjui https://github.com/idursun/jjui a modal TUI with helpful hints Some more emerging topics from usage of jj: * Immutable changes: The log shows a blue diamond instead of an empty circle node for tree segments that are immutable, which protects shared history (usually remote-only branches) from all the methods you would normally use modify commits in jj. * Stacked pull requests: I don't wait for pull requests to be merged before I start working on more on top of their work. It's easy to rebase the stacked work for another PR when the first one gets merged. This does risk my time being spent on more code that gets thrown away if a PR is rejected, but writing and learning from code is not considered wasted time by me. * Optimizing the graph for review: We discussed the balance of whether the entire history should be preserved in Git, and I prefer to keep a balance of preserving history and splitting/squashing commits into more functional steps that can be easily reviewed by others. Jujutsu locally preserves the evolution of each change across the commits behind it, and has a rich undo system, so I don't lose my raw history that I might need to recover in anger. Still, I can intentionally organize commits with a balance of reviewability, preserving the intentions behind changes, demonstrating evolution of a large change, etc. * Megamerges: If I have any number of open and/or stacked pull requests that I want to test all together, I can set them as parents to a single merge commit. This is easy and conflict-free when they deal with different functional areas in a codebase, but finding 3+ sided merge conflicts can be a signal that I need to reconsider how I've organized my changes. * Absorb: For each hunk in a change, this jj command will automatically squash them into adjacent/overlapping hunks further up the tree. This allows you to hack away at the tip of the tree, then instead of choosing where to squash disparate edits, absorb will squash them into any non-immutable commit for you. This works for merged branches as well, so I can e.g. absorb doc changes into my docs PR branch, and absorb the feature changes into the feature PR branch. ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2025 5:14 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Reminder! Meeting TONIGHT!!! 11/19 Location: Technocopia, Topic: Jujitsu Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting this WEDNESDAY. The fine folks at Technocopia have graciously allowed us to use their space on a non open hack night. Thanks!! Here are the details: Time: 7PM Date: 11/19 Location: Technocopia Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Jujitsu https://jj-vcs.github.io/jj/latest/ Fellow WLUGer Evan White is going to do a presentation about Jujitsu. While using the git internals it has a different workflow than the one us daily git users are used to. Evan is going to show off how he uses it and maybe convince a couple of us to give it a try! Afterward we'll head out for dinner and keep the conversation going! Hope to see you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 20, 2025

Re: Reminder we've got a meeting tonight! Topic: JetKVM!

by John Stoffel

Guys, Tim and I are both running a little late tonight so please hold on and keep trying to join jitsi until 7:20 please! John Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 13, 2025, at 5:46 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > We've got a meeting Tonight!! > Time: 7PM > Date: 2/13/2025 > Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA. > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: JetKVM > Long time WLUG Member John Stoffel is going to be demoing his JetKVM (https://jetkvm.com/) > It's a next generation KVM over IP that started as a kickstarter and is now a "real product". Fully hackable, this FOSS KVM has a bunch of neat features. > As usual expect a lively conversation, a cool demo and our usual shenanigans. > > Afterwards we'll likely head off for dinner and keep the conversation going! > > I hope to see you all there! > Later, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CBLYC…

Nov. 19, 2025

Reminder! Meeting TONIGHT!!! 11/19 Location: Technocopia, Topic: Jujitsu

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting this WEDNESDAY. The fine folks at Technocopia have graciously allowed us to use their space on a non open hack night. Thanks!! Here are the details: Time: 7PM Date: 11/19 Location: Technocopia Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Jujitsu https://jj-vcs.github.io/jj/latest/ Fellow WLUGer Evan White is going to do a presentation about Jujitsu. While using the git internals it has a different workflow than the one us daily git users are used to. Evan is going to show off how he uses it and maybe convince a couple of us to give it a try! Afterward we'll head out for dinner and keep the conversation going! Hope to see you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 19, 2025

Re: Reminder! Meeting THIS WEDNESDAY!!! 11/19 Location: Technocopia, Topic: Jujitsu

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > We've got a meeting this WEDNESDAY. Looking forward to it! > The fine folks at Technocopia have graciously allowed us to use their space on a non open hack > night. Thanks!! > Here are the details: > Time: 7PM > Date: 11/19 > Location: Technocopia > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: Jujitsu https://jj-vcs.github.io/jj/latest/ > Fellow WLUGer Evan White is going to do a presentation about Jujitsu. While using the git > internals it has a different workflow than the one us daily git users are used to. Evan is going > to show off how he uses it and maybe convince a couple of us to give it a try! > Afterward we'll head out for dinner and keep the conversation going! > Hope to see you there! > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YFWGR…

Nov. 18, 2025

Reminder! Meeting THIS WEDNESDAY!!! 11/19 Location: Technocopia, Topic: Jujitsu

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting this WEDNESDAY. The fine folks at Technocopia have graciously allowed us to use their space on a non open hack night. Thanks!! Here are the details: Time: 7PM Date: 11/19 Location: Technocopia Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Jujitsu https://jj-vcs.github.io/jj/latest/ Fellow WLUGer Evan White is going to do a presentation about Jujitsu. While using the git internals it has a different workflow than the one us daily git users are used to. Evan is going to show off how he uses it and maybe convince a couple of us to give it a try! Afterward we'll head out for dinner and keep the conversation going! Hope to see you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 17, 2025

Re: NO WLUG MEETING TONIGHT!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "steve---" == steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Yeah, I don't know either for some reason. And is it private to WLUG only or can we put details onto the web page? > how does one join the signal chat? >> On Nov 13, 2025, at 11:39 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> >> Hey Everybody, >> >> THERE IS NO WLUG MEETING TONIGHT. >> >> We will be having a meeting next week. Join the signal chat for more details. >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/JL4JV… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YUEFJ…

Nov. 16, 2025

Re: NO WLUG MEETING TONIGHT!

by steve＠patternsoft.net

how does one join the signal chat? > On Nov 13, 2025, at 11:39 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > Hey Everybody, > > THERE IS NO WLUG MEETING TONIGHT. > > We will be having a meeting next week. Join the signal chat for more details. > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/JL4JV…

Nov. 13, 2025

NO WLUG MEETING TONIGHT!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, THERE IS NO WLUG MEETING TONIGHT. We will be having a meeting next week. Join the signal chat for more details. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 13, 2025

Re: Reminder! Meeting tomorrow! Topic: Jack Friment from PIRG, Right to Repair!

by Tim Keller

I miswrote it, it's Ubuntu 24. Thanks, Tim. On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 10:21 AM Kevin Harrington <mad.hephaestus(a)gmail.com> wrote: > For the sake of new users, I might suggest 24.04 lts instead of 25.04. Lts > release is going to be supported for 7 years as opposed to the 3 years for > 25.04. > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2025, 8:57 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Awesome!! >> >> I just went to staples and bought a 10 pack of 16GB usb drives.. >> >> What are peoples opinions on what should go on them? >> I was thinking of making 7 out of the 10 Ventoy with an assortment of >> ISO's and the last three I thought I might do as bare ISO installs for >> stuff that doesn't like ventoy. >> >> Here's what I was thinking of putting on each Ventoy drive: >> Ubuntu 25 >> Fedora 42 >> Arch 2025.10.01 >> >> I know asking what your favorite distro is throwing a flare into a >> gasoline factory.. but feel free to let me have your unfettered opinion ;-) >> Tim. >> >> On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 8:16 AM Jansen Smith <Jansen(a)bstarengineering.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Sounds like a good time! Looking fwd to meeting Jack. >>> I'll also be bringing a new Omarchy (read: opinionated Arch Linux + >>> Hyprland) system for us to play with. >>> I've got the installer on a USB-C, in case anyone would like to turn >>> ewaste into a productivity workhorse. >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2025, 5:39 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Gang! >>>> >>>> Just a reminder we've got a meeting tomorrow! >>>> Topic: National Right to Repair day >>>> Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG. >>>> Time: 7PM >>>> Date: October 9th, 2025 >>>> Location: Technocopia >>>> Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA >>>> >>>> Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this >>>> meeting. PIRG is an organization that among many other causes is advocating >>>> at the national level for the right to repair. As we are all aware, with >>>> Win10 reaching EOL, this is causing a tsunami of e-waste as people are >>>> forced to upgrade to run Win11. >>>> >>>> On Saturday Oct 18th, it's National Right to Repair day. PIRG in >>>> coordination with Techncopia is going to be hosting what's looking like to >>>> be a good old fashioned Install-fest. Sadly, I have a family conflict, but >>>> I'll be there in spirit! >>>> >>>> I hope to see you all on Thursday! >>>> Later, >>>> Tim. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>>> constituents as "consumers". >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NIOBO… >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3YSWG… >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 9, 2025

Re: Reminder! Meeting tomorrow! Topic: Jack Friment from PIRG, Right to Repair!

by Kevin Harrington

For the sake of new users, I might suggest 24.04 lts instead of 25.04. Lts release is going to be supported for 7 years as opposed to the 3 years for 25.04. On Thu, Oct 9, 2025, 8:57 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Awesome!! > > I just went to staples and bought a 10 pack of 16GB usb drives.. > > What are peoples opinions on what should go on them? > I was thinking of making 7 out of the 10 Ventoy with an assortment of > ISO's and the last three I thought I might do as bare ISO installs for > stuff that doesn't like ventoy. > > Here's what I was thinking of putting on each Ventoy drive: > Ubuntu 25 > Fedora 42 > Arch 2025.10.01 > > I know asking what your favorite distro is throwing a flare into a > gasoline factory.. but feel free to let me have your unfettered opinion ;-) > Tim. > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 8:16 AM Jansen Smith <Jansen(a)bstarengineering.com> > wrote: > >> Sounds like a good time! Looking fwd to meeting Jack. >> I'll also be bringing a new Omarchy (read: opinionated Arch Linux + >> Hyprland) system for us to play with. >> I've got the installer on a USB-C, in case anyone would like to turn >> ewaste into a productivity workhorse. >> >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2025, 5:39 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Hey Gang! >>> >>> Just a reminder we've got a meeting tomorrow! >>> Topic: National Right to Repair day >>> Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG. >>> Time: 7PM >>> Date: October 9th, 2025 >>> Location: Technocopia >>> Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA >>> >>> Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this >>> meeting. PIRG is an organization that among many other causes is advocating >>> at the national level for the right to repair. As we are all aware, with >>> Win10 reaching EOL, this is causing a tsunami of e-waste as people are >>> forced to upgrade to run Win11. >>> >>> On Saturday Oct 18th, it's National Right to Repair day. PIRG in >>> coordination with Techncopia is going to be hosting what's looking like to >>> be a good old fashioned Install-fest. Sadly, I have a family conflict, but >>> I'll be there in spirit! >>> >>> I hope to see you all on Thursday! >>> Later, >>> Tim. >>> >>> -- >>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> constituents as "consumers". >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NIOBO… >>> >> > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3YSWG… >

Oct. 9, 2025

Signal channel..

by Tim Keller

I've created a signal channel for all of us. Signal has a nice linux desktop client as well. https://signal.group/#CjQKIKlVuif-XKEyM_OE5NlItazdhKRrhXlI_l6aRlYx37T6EhCAK… Currently myself, Jansen and Evan are in it. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 9, 2025

Re: Meeting tomorrow! Distros I suggest

by Robert N. Evans

Lately I've been using EndeavouOS as an easy Arch variant. (Last year, when Ubuntu shipped an update that broke my bluetooth, I switched and have been happy since). For very old boxes (like a 2010 netbook, 2GB memory, atom CPU), I use AntiX linux. -BE -----Original Message----- From: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Oct 9, 2025 8:57 AM To: Jansen Smith <Jansen(a)bstarengineering.com> Cc: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Reminder! Meeting tomorrow! Topic: Jack Friment from PIRG, Right to Repair! Awesome!! I just went to staples and bought a 10 pack of 16GB usb drives.. What are peoples opinions on what should go on them? I was thinking of making 7 out of the 10 Ventoy with an assortment of ISO's and the last three I thought I might do as bare ISO installs for stuff that doesn't like ventoy. Here's what I was thinking of putting on each Ventoy drive: Ubuntu 25 Fedora 42 Arch 2025.10.01 I know asking what your favorite distro is throwing a flare into a gasoline factory.. but feel free to let me have your unfettered opinion ;-) Tim. On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 8:16 AM Jansen Smith <Jansen(a)bstarengineering.com (mailto:Jansen@bstarengineering.com)> wrote: Sounds like a good time! Looking fwd to meeting Jack.I'll also be bringing a new Omarchy (read: opinionated Arch Linux + Hyprland) system for us to play with.I've got the installer on a USB-C, in case anyone would like to turn ewaste into a productivity workhorse. On Wed, Oct 8, 2025, 5:39 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org (mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org)> wrote: Hey Gang! Just a reminder we've got a meeting tomorrow! Topic: National Right to Repair day Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG. Time: 7PM Date: October 9th, 2025 Location: Technocopia Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this meeting. PIRG is an organization that among many other causes is advocating at the national level for the right to repair. As we are all aware, with Win10 reaching EOL, this is causing a tsunami of e-waste as people are forced to upgrade to run Win11. On Saturday Oct 18th, it's National Right to Repair day. PIRG in coordination with Techncopia is going to be hosting what's looking like to be a good old fashioned Install-fest. Sadly, I have a family conflict, but I'll be there in spirit! I hope to see you all on Thursday! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org (mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org) To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org (mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org) Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NIOBO… -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 9, 2025

Re: Reminder! Meeting tomorrow! Topic: Jack Friment from PIRG, Right to Repair!

by Tim Keller

Awesome!! I just went to staples and bought a 10 pack of 16GB usb drives.. What are peoples opinions on what should go on them? I was thinking of making 7 out of the 10 Ventoy with an assortment of ISO's and the last three I thought I might do as bare ISO installs for stuff that doesn't like ventoy. Here's what I was thinking of putting on each Ventoy drive: Ubuntu 25 Fedora 42 Arch 2025.10.01 I know asking what your favorite distro is throwing a flare into a gasoline factory.. but feel free to let me have your unfettered opinion ;-) Tim. On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 8:16 AM Jansen Smith <Jansen(a)bstarengineering.com> wrote: > Sounds like a good time! Looking fwd to meeting Jack. > I'll also be bringing a new Omarchy (read: opinionated Arch Linux + > Hyprland) system for us to play with. > I've got the installer on a USB-C, in case anyone would like to turn > ewaste into a productivity workhorse. > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2025, 5:39 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Hey Gang! >> >> Just a reminder we've got a meeting tomorrow! >> Topic: National Right to Repair day >> Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG. >> Time: 7PM >> Date: October 9th, 2025 >> Location: Technocopia >> Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA >> >> Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this >> meeting. PIRG is an organization that among many other causes is advocating >> at the national level for the right to repair. As we are all aware, with >> Win10 reaching EOL, this is causing a tsunami of e-waste as people are >> forced to upgrade to run Win11. >> >> On Saturday Oct 18th, it's National Right to Repair day. PIRG in >> coordination with Techncopia is going to be hosting what's looking like to >> be a good old fashioned Install-fest. Sadly, I have a family conflict, but >> I'll be there in spirit! >> >> I hope to see you all on Thursday! >> Later, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NIOBO… >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 9, 2025

Re: Reminder! Meeting tomorrow! Topic: Jack Friment from PIRG, Right to Repair!

by Jansen Smith

Sounds like a good time! Looking fwd to meeting Jack. I'll also be bringing a new Omarchy (read: opinionated Arch Linux + Hyprland) system for us to play with. I've got the installer on a USB-C, in case anyone would like to turn ewaste into a productivity workhorse. On Wed, Oct 8, 2025, 5:39 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Gang! > > Just a reminder we've got a meeting tomorrow! > Topic: National Right to Repair day > Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG. > Time: 7PM > Date: October 9th, 2025 > Location: Technocopia > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this > meeting. PIRG is an organization that among many other causes is advocating > at the national level for the right to repair. As we are all aware, with > Win10 reaching EOL, this is causing a tsunami of e-waste as people are > forced to upgrade to run Win11. > > On Saturday Oct 18th, it's National Right to Repair day. PIRG in > coordination with Techncopia is going to be hosting what's looking like to > be a good old fashioned Install-fest. Sadly, I have a family conflict, but > I'll be there in spirit! > > I hope to see you all on Thursday! > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NIOBO… >

Oct. 9, 2025

Reminder! Meeting tomorrow! Topic: Jack Friment from PIRG, Right to Repair!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang! Just a reminder we've got a meeting tomorrow! Topic: National Right to Repair day Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG. Time: 7PM Date: October 9th, 2025 Location: Technocopia Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this meeting. PIRG is an organization that among many other causes is advocating at the national level for the right to repair. As we are all aware, with Win10 reaching EOL, this is causing a tsunami of e-waste as people are forced to upgrade to run Win11. On Saturday Oct 18th, it's National Right to Repair day. PIRG in coordination with Techncopia is going to be hosting what's looking like to be a good old fashioned Install-fest. Sadly, I have a family conflict, but I'll be there in spirit! I hope to see you all on Thursday! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 8, 2025

Re: Installing Linux on Hundreds of "Obsolete" Computers

by Joshua Stone

>Yes! I need an obsolete computer. The only thing I know about >Windows-10 is that it proved Microsoft can't count. Versions 1, 2, 3.1, >95, 98, were at least monotonic increasing. If you need a new computer for running gcc, TeX, a web browser, a PDF viewer, and all other of your computing needs, then we can surely help! >I don't install Linux on hundreds of computers; I've done about 30 >installs over the years. It used to be: buy a Linux CD from the >bookstore (Not a joke. I did that several times in the 1990s). Every >computer had a built-in CD reader that it could boot from and everything >was on the CD. Oh, that takes me back! When I was first getting into Linux circa 2009, I would be trying out Linux install CDs that were included in several Linux publications within the magazine section at Barnes and Noble. I was fascinated by how I could run a complete desktop from a cheap piece of optical media found in the back of a magazine, and it was at a fraction of the cost of a Windows license. >The last few times I have done a Debian net-install. It worked through >a RJ-45 jack connection to home internet. Details changed. I no longer >have a IPv4 address and NAT, but IPv6 configured itself and worked. >But now RJ-45 seems to be obsolete. Can I install over a wireless >(wifi) connection? Not long ago, the OS needed to be working and >then it could install a special non-free driver for the wifi and use >it at the coffee shop. >Now that I have my own wireless router it seems mostly good, but I still >trust the wire more. I don't need terabytes and virtual reality video >games. Let me run gcc, TeX, a web browser and a pdf viewer, that's >about it. >I miss the punch card reader at school, but I don't need one at home. >Do I need RJ-45? You can expect a mainstream distribution such as Fedora or Debian to have offline installers in case their online installers don't work. These online installers should give you the option to configure a wired connection or a wireless connection. I believe the one limiting factor (as you're alluding to) is whether the wifi card has the appropriate driver. This can become a catch-22 for online installers which typically don't give you the kind of environment needed to build and install the necessary kernel module and firmware. The best workaround I've found is finding a chipset that's known to work OOTB with a stock Linux kernel: https://github.com/morrownr/USB-WiFi The ALFA AWUS036ACM is the USB wifi adapter that I have, and it's saved me *A LOT* of headache when experimenting with uncommon devices that usually come with Broadcom wifi cards: https://www.alfa.com.tw/products/awus036acm_1 https://www.amazon.com/Network-AWUS036ACM-Long-Range-Wide-Coverage-High-Sen… - Josh On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 12:15 AM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > I thought it was really cool to see a coordinated effort to extend the > > lifespan of perfectly usable computers that're only "Obsolete" because > > of Windows 10 becoming EOL: > > Yes! I need an obsolete computer. The only thing I know about > Windows-10 is that it proved Microsoft can't count. Versions 1, 2, 3.1, > 95, 98, were at least monotonic increasing. > > I don't install Linux on hundreds of computers; I've done about 30 > installs over the years. It used to be: buy a Linux CD from the > bookstore (Not a joke. I did that several times in the 1990s). Every > computer had a built-in CD reader that it could boot from and everything > was on the CD. > > The last few times I have done a Debian net-install. It worked through > a RJ-45 jack connection to home internet. Details changed. I no longer > have a IPv4 address and NAT, but IPv6 configured itself and worked. > > But now RJ-45 seems to be obsolete. Can I install over a wireless > (wifi) connection? Not long ago, the OS needed to be working and > then it could install a special non-free driver for the wifi and use > it at the coffee shop. > > Now that I have my own wireless router it seems mostly good, but I still > trust the wire more. I don't need terabytes and virtual reality video > games. Let me run gcc, TeX, a web browser and a pdf viewer, that's > about it. > > I miss the punch card reader at school, but I don't need one at home. > Do I need RJ-45? > > -- Keith >

Oct. 8, 2025

Re: Installing Linux on Hundreds of "Obsolete" Computers

by Keith Wright

Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I thought it was really cool to see a coordinated effort to extend the > lifespan of perfectly usable computers that're only "Obsolete" because > of Windows 10 becoming EOL: Yes! I need an obsolete computer. The only thing I know about Windows-10 is that it proved Microsoft can't count. Versions 1, 2, 3.1, 95, 98, were at least monotonic increasing. I don't install Linux on hundreds of computers; I've done about 30 installs over the years. It used to be: buy a Linux CD from the bookstore (Not a joke. I did that several times in the 1990s). Every computer had a built-in CD reader that it could boot from and everything was on the CD. The last few times I have done a Debian net-install. It worked through a RJ-45 jack connection to home internet. Details changed. I no longer have a IPv4 address and NAT, but IPv6 configured itself and worked. But now RJ-45 seems to be obsolete. Can I install over a wireless (wifi) connection? Not long ago, the OS needed to be working and then it could install a special non-free driver for the wifi and use it at the coffee shop. Now that I have my own wireless router it seems mostly good, but I still trust the wire more. I don't need terabytes and virtual reality video games. Let me run gcc, TeX, a web browser and a pdf viewer, that's about it. I miss the punch card reader at school, but I don't need one at home. Do I need RJ-45? -- Keith

Oct. 8, 2025

Installing Linux on Hundreds of "Obsolete" Computers

by Joshua Stone

Hey all, I thought it was really cool to see a coordinated effort to extend the lifespan of perfectly usable computers that're only "Obsolete" because of Windows 10 becoming EOL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHLTOdsqDRg I wonder if WLUG could do something similar to make computing more equitable within the community? - Josh

Oct. 7, 2025

Meeting October 9th at 7PM Topic: Jack from PIRG to speak about National Right to Repair

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting on Thursday!! Topic: National Right to Repair day Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG. Time: 7PM Date: October 9th, 2025 Location: Technocopia Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Jack Frimet from PIRG <https://pirg.org> reached out to me and asked that he speak at this meeting. PIRG is an organization that among many other causes is advocating at the national level for the right to repair. As we are all aware, with Win10 reaching EOL, this is causing a tsunami of e-waste as people are forced to upgrade to run Win11. On Saturday Oct 18th, it's National Right to Repair day. PIRG in coordination with Techncopia is going to be hosting what's looking like to be a good old fashioned Install-fest. Sadly, I have a family conflict, but I'll be there in spirit! I hope to see you all on Thursday! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 7, 2025

Re: Windows 10 to Linux Repair Event

by Tim Keller

Hey Jack! An event like this would right up WLUG's alley! Our next meeting is scheduled for the 9th. I unfortunately have a family even on the 18th and will be out of town, otherwise I would be there in spades. One of things that WLUG started out doing was "install fests" where we helped people get Linux on their desktops! We *just had a meeting* so I'd be amenable to moving the meeting to the 16th to help prep and make bootable media if that would help. I'm absolutely horrified by the immense amount of e-waste this debacle is causing, all in search of the mighty dollar.. Thanks, Tim. I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". On Tue, Sep 30, 2025, 3:57 PM Jack Frimet <jfrimet(a)pirg.org> wrote: > Hi Tim and WLUG, > > My name is Jack Frimet, and I'm with PIRG, a consumer advocacy group > working on the Right to Repair. You may have heard from Eric Sutman, but we > are hosting an event at Technocopia on 10/18 (International Repair Day!), > where we are working to save computers impacted by the End of Windows 10 by > switching them over to Linux. > > We need some volunteers to help with actually working on the computers, > and I figured this seems right up your group's alley! I'd love to set up a > time to chat with any of WLUG's organizers to gauge interest in > volunteering for this event! Feel free to send me an email or give me a > call at 845-637-9633. > > Best, > Jack > > -- > > Jack Frimet > Right to Repair Associate > jfrimet(a)pirg.org >

Oct. 4, 2025

Looking for Locality Info of Apatite Specimen

by The Hammer

Hello, I am wondering if anyone might be able to guide me at to the specific locality of a blue apatite specimen that I have. The Label says "Blue Apatite XL New York" The specimen is about an inch across at its widest point. Ron

Sept. 27, 2025

Sorry about the A/V troubles..

by Tim Keller

Last night because I had the presentation full screened I failed to see that the audio had dropped out. For the next meeting I'm going to bring a dedicated laptop whose sole job is to be the "meeting" laptop that just drives Jitsi. As an aside, I'm glad everybody liked the presentation. I'll put my slides up somewhere sensible. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 19, 2025

Great talk on the state of Linux Kernel

by John Stoffel

Guys, This is a great talk on some of the history of Linux and how things got to where they are now. Not so much technical, but historical. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS2LGMRzE1I Cheers! John

Sept. 18, 2025

Re: Reminder!!! September 18th WLUG Meeting! Topic: Tailscale / Nebula

by John Stoffel

Guys, This is a _fascinating_ talk about Linux containers, mount namespaces, etc. Stuff I sorta kinda knew, but don't use day to day. Really interesting! https://labs.iximiuz.com/tutorials/container-filesystem-from-scratch Cheers, John

Sept. 17, 2025

Reminder!!! September 18th WLUG Meeting! Topic: Tailscale / Nebula

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting THIS Thursday! Time: 7pm Date: September 18th, 2025 Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Why Traditional Network Security is DOOMED! In this talk, I'll explain how we've *done *modern network security, and why tools like tailscale / headscale / nebula largely nullify some of this security. For those of us who are network / security administrators I'll talk about what we should be looking for, and I'll also show off how these technologies are amazingly useful. I will be definitely demoing Tailscale as I'm a daily driver of it and provided it doesn't break my existing stuff I'll show off Nebula. I'm sure this is going to foster a lively discussion about networking, firewalls, security in general and what security on modern networks is going to have to look like to address these new technologies. As usual after the meeting we'll go get some dinner and keep talking. I hope to see you all there! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 15, 2025

Reminder! WLUG Meeting NEXT Week, Sept 18th, 2025!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, Our next meeting is the 18th of September! I'll be giving a talk on tailscale / headscale and possibly nebula if I have time. The working title for the topic is "Traditional Network Security is DOOMED!" Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 8, 2025

Next meeting will be the 18th, not the 11th.

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang! I've got a conflict on the 11th, so I'm moving the meeting to the 18th. My plan is to talk about Tailscale / headscale and nebula to build secure networks that don't require punching holes in firewalls, etc. Let me know if you know of similar tech and I'll try to talk about that as well. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 28, 2025

Re: Spectrum, Recursive dns and interception of root authoritative DNS

by steve＠patternsoft.net

Aug. 27, 2025

Re: Spectrum, Recursive dns and interception of root authoritative DNS

by eroc1990

Might also be worth looking at Quad9's offering if you don't want tonfunnelmyour traffic to Google or Cloudflare. More info here: https://docs.quad9.net/Quad9_For_Organizations/DNS_Forwarder_Best_Practices… -------- Original Message -------- On 8/26/25 8:30 PM, Jared Greenwald via WLUG wrote: > If you're ever bored with using the Google recursors, give the Oracle recursors a try - 216.146.35.35 & 216.146.36.36 > > Source: I work on OCI's DNS service that maintains the recursors. > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2025 at 7:51 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> ISPs figured out a long time ago they could harvest and sell your DNS query information. Sure because of https they can't see what your google queries are, but they can deduce the results.. >> >> Just looking at my PiHole logs is pretty enlightening.. It's clear I was just about to go on vacation in Maine, before that I was researching places in the Berkshires, before that I was on a whole bunch of EV review sites. >> That's just filtering for stuff from this machine and my phone. If I turn the filter off and see all the queries, you can quickly figure out there are people into Dr. Who, Star Trek, Anime. Using spotify and discord and facebook and instagram and tumblr and reddit. >> >> Things like DNS over HTTPS and DNSSEC help, but just to stop MITM stuff.. if the ISP is running the DNS server, they can see the queries.. Now, maybe cloudflare or google is doing the same thing, but have far less of an understanding of who I am.. vs.. Verizon.. >> >> We can have a bigger conversation about what google knows about you.. >> >> Tim. >> >> On Tue, Aug 26, 2025 at 3:55 PM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: >> >>> Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>> >>>> I've long since decided to avoid using my ISP's dns and went to >>>> running PiHole with the upstream dns being 8.8.8.8 and 1.1.1.1 >>>> >>>> Tim. >>> >>> Other than the hack value of doing it yourself, >>> is there a specific reason that you avoid ISP DNS? >>> >>> -- Keith >> >> -- >> >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PWR56…

Aug. 27, 2025

Re: Spectrum, Recursive dns and interception of root authoritative DNS

by Jared Greenwald

If you're ever bored with using the Google recursors, give the Oracle recursors a try - 216.146.35.35 & 216.146.36.36 Source: I work on OCI's DNS service that maintains the recursors. On Tue, Aug 26, 2025 at 7:51 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > ISPs figured out a long time ago they could harvest and sell your DNS > query information. Sure because of https they can't see what your google > queries are, but they can deduce the results.. > > Just looking at my PiHole logs is pretty enlightening.. It's clear I was > just about to go on vacation in Maine, before that I was researching places > in the Berkshires, before that I was on a whole bunch of EV review sites. > That's just filtering for stuff from this machine and my phone. If I turn > the filter off and see all the queries, you can quickly figure out there > are people into Dr. Who, Star Trek, Anime. Using spotify and discord and > facebook and instagram and tumblr and reddit. > > Things like DNS over HTTPS and DNSSEC help, but just to stop MITM stuff.. > if the ISP is running the DNS server, they can see the queries.. Now, maybe > cloudflare or google is doing the same thing, but have far less of an > understanding of who I am.. vs.. Verizon.. > > We can have a bigger conversation about what google knows about you.. > > Tim. > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2025 at 3:55 PM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> > wrote: > >> Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >> > I've long since decided to avoid using my ISP's dns and went to >> > running PiHole with the upstream dns being 8.8.8.8 and 1.1.1.1 >> > >> > Tim. >> >> Other than the hack value of doing it yourself, >> is there a specific reason that you avoid ISP DNS? >> >> -- Keith >> >> > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PWR56… >

Aug. 27, 2025

Re: Spectrum, Recursive dns and interception of root authoritative DNS

by Tim Keller

ISPs figured out a long time ago they could harvest and sell your DNS query information. Sure because of https they can't see what your google queries are, but they can deduce the results.. Just looking at my PiHole logs is pretty enlightening.. It's clear I was just about to go on vacation in Maine, before that I was researching places in the Berkshires, before that I was on a whole bunch of EV review sites. That's just filtering for stuff from this machine and my phone. If I turn the filter off and see all the queries, you can quickly figure out there are people into Dr. Who, Star Trek, Anime. Using spotify and discord and facebook and instagram and tumblr and reddit. Things like DNS over HTTPS and DNSSEC help, but just to stop MITM stuff.. if the ISP is running the DNS server, they can see the queries.. Now, maybe cloudflare or google is doing the same thing, but have far less of an understanding of who I am.. vs.. Verizon.. We can have a bigger conversation about what google knows about you.. Tim. On Tue, Aug 26, 2025 at 3:55 PM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > I've long since decided to avoid using my ISP's dns and went to > > running PiHole with the upstream dns being 8.8.8.8 and 1.1.1.1 > > > > Tim. > > Other than the hack value of doing it yourself, > is there a specific reason that you avoid ISP DNS? > > -- Keith > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 26, 2025

Re: Spectrum, Recursive dns and interception of root authoritative DNS

by steve＠patternsoft.net

Got my own router. SO I have just a 3rd party modem I own that’s not a spectrum device, just a docsis 3.1 device compatible with spectrum. But no I haven’t set any transparent/bridge settings. That’s actually a good idea to check. I always think of the modem as invisible infrastructure but worth a look. Thanks! Steve Thibault > On Aug 26, 2025, at 4:41 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)fea.st> wrote: > > Did you turn off any "security" features Spectrum has on the cable modem/gateway and put it into transparent bridging mode and use your own router? > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2025 at 04:02:17PM -0400, steve--- via WLUG wrote: >> Privacy. I don’t want one org, source, company knowing EVERY DNS query I make from my house and therefor every company, site, organization, service,…,etc that I use. >> >> If I have a recursive DNS server that doesn’t go to one DNS forward like Spectrum, Google, Cloud flair, etc, server, but instead caches the root entries locally on initial startup for .com, .net, .bix, .org, etc, and then cache as I go the next level down, nobody ever when and what I query but once, and then that’s just the next level of the recurse, which is auto refreshed when the cache TTL runs out. So I keep as much of my digital data away from prying eyes as possible. As the IETF says in their specs, passive monitoring is an attack, and should reasonable measures should be taken to reduce or eliminate it. >> >> Steve Thibault >> >>> On Aug 26, 2025, at 3:55 PM, Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>> Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>> >>>> I've long since decided to avoid using my ISP's dns and went to >>>> running PiHole with the upstream dns being 8.8.8.8 and 1.1.1.1 >>>> >>>> Tim. >>> >>> Other than the hack value of doing it yourself, >>> is there a specific reason that you avoid ISP DNS?

Aug. 26, 2025

Re: Spectrum, Recursive dns and interception of root authoritative DNS

by Chuck Anderson

Did you turn off any "security" features Spectrum has on the cable modem/gateway and put it into transparent bridging mode and use your own router? On Tue, Aug 26, 2025 at 04:02:17PM -0400, steve--- via WLUG wrote: > Privacy. I don’t want one org, source, company knowing EVERY DNS query I make from my house and therefor every company, site, organization, service,…,etc that I use. > > If I have a recursive DNS server that doesn’t go to one DNS forward like Spectrum, Google, Cloud flair, etc, server, but instead caches the root entries locally on initial startup for .com, .net, .bix, .org, etc, and then cache as I go the next level down, nobody ever when and what I query but once, and then that’s just the next level of the recurse, which is auto refreshed when the cache TTL runs out. So I keep as much of my digital data away from prying eyes as possible. As the IETF says in their specs, passive monitoring is an attack, and should reasonable measures should be taken to reduce or eliminate it. > > Steve Thibault > > > On Aug 26, 2025, at 3:55 PM, Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > >> I've long since decided to avoid using my ISP's dns and went to > >> running PiHole with the upstream dns being 8.8.8.8 and 1.1.1.1 > >> > >> Tim. > > > > Other than the hack value of doing it yourself, > > is there a specific reason that you avoid ISP DNS?

Aug. 26, 2025

Re: Spectrum, Recursive dns and interception of root authoritative DNS

by steve＠patternsoft.net

Privacy. I don’t want one org, source, company knowing EVERY DNS query I make from my house and therefor every company, site, organization, service,…,etc that I use. If I have a recursive DNS server that doesn’t go to one DNS forward like Spectrum, Google, Cloud flair, etc, server, but instead caches the root entries locally on initial startup for .com, .net, .bix, .org, etc, and then cache as I go the next level down, nobody ever when and what I query but once, and then that’s just the next level of the recurse, which is auto refreshed when the cache TTL runs out. So I keep as much of my digital data away from prying eyes as possible. As the IETF says in their specs, passive monitoring is an attack, and should reasonable measures should be taken to reduce or eliminate it. Steve Thibault > On Aug 26, 2025, at 3:55 PM, Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> I've long since decided to avoid using my ISP's dns and went to >> running PiHole with the upstream dns being 8.8.8.8 and 1.1.1.1 >> >> Tim. > > Other than the hack value of doing it yourself, > is there a specific reason that you avoid ISP DNS? > > -- Keith > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/U4OXJ…

Aug. 26, 2025

Re: Spectrum, Recursive dns and interception of root authoritative DNS

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I've long since decided to avoid using my ISP's dns and went to > running PiHole with the upstream dns being 8.8.8.8 and 1.1.1.1 > > Tim. Other than the hack value of doing it yourself, is there a specific reason that you avoid ISP DNS? -- Keith

Aug. 26, 2025

Re: Spectrum, Recursive dns and interception of root authoritative DNS

by Tim Keller

I've long since decided to avoid using my ISP's dns and went to running PiHole with the upstream dns being 8.8.8.8 and 1.1.1.1 Tim. On Sun, Aug 24, 2025, 12:01 PM steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey all. I was wondering since were all? Worcester or surrounding and > dealing with Spectrum as an ISP, if you’ve run into the same thing I have > in the last few months. > > > I used to, as you’ll see soon, run unbound as a recursive DNS server in my > home network to cache and limit external DNS queries that was the forwarder > behind Pihole. It worked great for a very long time. > > > But a few months ago, my internet went down, and It turned out to be non > cached dns queries starting to fail. I realized in logs that unbound was > getting errors reaching out to dns servers and disabled it until I could > investigate instead forwarding to cloud flare temporarily. > > Now that I have had time to research and investigate, I have found that at > least SOMETHING is intercepting my my queries to authoritative DNS servers > when I reset unbound and it throw’s away the response because they aren’t > “AA” status responses and it never caches the root dns and therefor won’t > resolve anything. > > I come to find out the “authoritative” servers are responding with a > status of RA which means it’s not the actual authoritative service when I > query manually, dig @198.41.0.4 . NS +norecurse an actual authoritative, > and that this is most likely a change Spectrum has made. Has anybody else > ran into this? Is it actually Spectrum. I guess I haven’t dug far enough > yet to see if its may be a firmware update to my router, UDM PRO yet. Still > working on that, but though I’d ask this group first before I dig into that > and save myself the time and go straight to ISP workarounds. > > Thanks in advance! Looking forward to our next meeting!! > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5AWI2… >

Aug. 24, 2025

Spectrum, Recursive dns and interception of root authoritative DNS

by steve＠patternsoft.net

Hey all. I was wondering since were all? Worcester or surrounding and dealing with Spectrum as an ISP, if you’ve run into the same thing I have in the last few months. I used to, as you’ll see soon, run unbound as a recursive DNS server in my home network to cache and limit external DNS queries that was the forwarder behind Pihole. It worked great for a very long time. But a few months ago, my internet went down, and It turned out to be non cached dns queries starting to fail. I realized in logs that unbound was getting errors reaching out to dns servers and disabled it until I could investigate instead forwarding to cloud flare temporarily. Now that I have had time to research and investigate, I have found that at least SOMETHING is intercepting my my queries to authoritative DNS servers when I reset unbound and it throw’s away the response because they aren’t “AA” status responses and it never caches the root dns and therefor won’t resolve anything. I come to find out the “authoritative” servers are responding with a status of RA which means it’s not the actual authoritative service when I query manually, dig @198.41.0.4 . NS +norecurse an actual authoritative, and that this is most likely a change Spectrum has made. Has anybody else ran into this? Is it actually Spectrum. I guess I haven’t dug far enough yet to see if its may be a firmware update to my router, UDM PRO yet. Still working on that, but though I’d ask this group first before I dig into that and save myself the time and go straight to ISP workarounds. Thanks in advance! Looking forward to our next meeting!! Steve

Aug. 24, 2025

Re: Reminder! WLUG Meeting tomorrow!! Topics: pi5 nvme support, backups, general discussion

by Frank Sweetser

We're over in the sewing room. - Frank On Thu, Aug 14, 2025, 7:20 PM Joel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > At Technopia and no WLUG people here. > > Curious... > > Aug 13, 2025 3:46:54 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>: > > Hey Everybody! > > We've got a meeting tomorrow, Thursday, August 14th, 2025 at 7PM! > Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland Ave Worcester MA > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/44+Portland+Ave+Worcester+MA?entry=gmail…>. > > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA I'm sure we'll have our > usual A/V antics.. > Topic: pi5 nvme support, backups, round table. > > I recently had a hardware failure that exposed that my backup solution > wasn't that great. This spurred me to get a solution for backups. With a > trusty pi5 and some nvme's I've setup a "burp" backup server. > I'll show off the pi5 with an nvme or dual nvme setup running Rasbian with > ZFS and burp. > Then from there I'm sure we'll stray into other topics and I expect the > conversation to get lively. > > As usual, we'll head out for dinner afterwards and keep the conversation > going. > > Later, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HG6DV… >

Aug. 14, 2025

Re: Reminder! WLUG Meeting tomorrow!! Topics: pi5 nvme support, backups, general discussion

by Joel

At Technopia and no WLUG people here. Curious... Aug 13, 2025 3:46:54 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>: > Hey Everybody! > > We've got a meeting tomorrow, Thursday, August 14th, 2025 at 7PM! > Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland Ave Worcester MA. > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA I'm sure we'll have our usual A/V antics.. > Topic: pi5 nvme support, backups, round table. > > I recently had a hardware failure that exposed that my backup solution wasn't that great. This spurred me to get a solution for backups. With a trusty pi5 and some nvme's I've setup a "burp" backup server. > I'll show off the pi5 with an nvme or dual nvme setup running Rasbian with ZFS and burp. > Then from there I'm sure we'll stray into other topics and I expect the conversation to get lively. > > As usual, we'll head out for dinner afterwards and keep the conversation going. > > Later, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 14, 2025

Reminder! WLUG Meeting tomorrow!! Topics: pi5 nvme support, backups, general discussion

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting tomorrow, Thursday, August 14th, 2025 at 7PM! Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland Ave Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA I'm sure we'll have our usual A/V antics.. Topic: pi5 nvme support, backups, round table. I recently had a hardware failure that exposed that my backup solution wasn't that great. This spurred me to get a solution for backups. With a trusty pi5 and some nvme's I've setup a "burp" backup server. I'll show off the pi5 with an nvme or dual nvme setup running Rasbian with ZFS and burp. Then from there I'm sure we'll stray into other topics and I expect the conversation to get lively. As usual, we'll head out for dinner afterwards and keep the conversation going. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 13, 2025

WLUG Meeting August 14th 2025 Topics: pi5 nvme support, backups

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting this Thursday, August 14th, 2025 at 7PM! Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland Ave Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA I'm sure we'll have our usual A/V antics.. Topic: pi5 nvme support, backups, round table. I recently had a hardware failure that exposed that my backup solution wasn't that great. This spurred me to get a solution for backups. With a trusty pi5 and some nvme's I've setup a "burp" backup server. I'll show off the pi5 with an nvme or dual nvme setup running Rasbian with ZFS and burp. Then from there I'm sure we'll stray into other topics and I expect the conversation to get lively. As usual, we'll head out for dinner afterwards and keep the conversation going. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 11, 2025

Re: m.2 for pi5!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I recently got all the bits so that I can stick a 1TB nvme on my pi5! > it almost makes it feel like a "real" server. > I'll probably bring the whole contraption with me for the next wlug meeting! > Oh and yes.. I'm using ZFS for the filesystem! Care to do some performance tests, comparing various filesystems?

July 27, 2025

Re: m.2 for pi5!

by Gregory Boyce

Gotcha, that makes sense. Voting from NVMe has worked out great for me, other than the issue choosing the root filesystem. Greg On Sat, Jul 26, 2025, 8:45 AM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Personally, I have linux running on the sd card and I'm using the nvme for > storage. Though now I want to do some experiments with having it boot > directly off the nvme.. > > I do like that the pi5 has a bios ypu cam interact with. > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 1:45 PM Gregory Boyce <gregory.boyce(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Can I ask what method you used for installing Linux on it? >> >> I've got an NVMe drive in my pi5 as well, but all of the images I've seen >> expect to be dd'ed onto the device rather than a traditional install, which >> makes choosing a different filesystem or using LVM difficult. >> >> I've been planning on sitting down and doing a debootstrap based install >> at some point, but if you've found something easier I'd love to hear it. >> >> On Sun, Jul 20, 2025 at 4:33 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I recently got all the bits so that I can stick a 1TB nvme on my pi5! >>> it almost makes it feel like a "real" server. >>> I'll probably bring the whole contraption with me for the next wlug >>> meeting! >>> >>> Oh and yes.. I'm using ZFS for the filesystem! >>> >>> Tim. >>> >>> -- >>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> constituents as "consumers". >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MKDKR… >>> >> >> >> -- >> Greg >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". >

July 26, 2025

Fwd: m.2 for pi5!

by Tim Keller

---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Date: Sat, Jul 26, 2025, 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WLUG] m.2 for pi5! To: Gregory Boyce <gregory.boyce(a)gmail.com> Personally, I have linux running on the sd card and I'm using the nvme for storage. Though now I want to do some experiments with having it boot directly off the nvme.. I do like that the pi5 has a bios ypu cam interact with. On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 1:45 PM Gregory Boyce <gregory.boyce(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Can I ask what method you used for installing Linux on it? > > I've got an NVMe drive in my pi5 as well, but all of the images I've seen > expect to be dd'ed onto the device rather than a traditional install, which > makes choosing a different filesystem or using LVM difficult. > > I've been planning on sitting down and doing a debootstrap based install > at some point, but if you've found something easier I'd love to hear it. > > On Sun, Jul 20, 2025 at 4:33 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> I recently got all the bits so that I can stick a 1TB nvme on my pi5! >> it almost makes it feel like a "real" server. >> I'll probably bring the whole contraption with me for the next wlug >> meeting! >> >> Oh and yes.. I'm using ZFS for the filesystem! >> >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MKDKR… >> > > > -- > Greg > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 26, 2025

Re: m.2 for pi5!

by Robert N. Evans

I have a similar system. With Raspberry Pi OS, I used their imager to put the OS on an SD card. Booted the Pi5 from that card and manually transferred the file systems to the NVMe drive. I used GPT and have lots of multiboot possibilities via an autoboot.txt file in the firmware filesystem... rob@d5:~ $ lsblk NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINTS nvme0n1 259:0 0 476.9G 0 disk ├─nvme0n1p1 259:1 0 1G 0 part /boot/firmware ├─nvme0n1p2 259:2 0 1G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p3 259:3 0 1G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p4 259:4 0 1G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p5 259:5 0 1G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p6 259:6 0 1G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p7 259:7 0 1G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p8 259:8 0 1G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p9 259:9 0 1G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p10 259:10 0 8G 0 part [SWAP] ├─nvme0n1p11 259:11 0 31G 0 part / ├─nvme0n1p12 259:12 0 31G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p13 259:13 0 31G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p14 259:14 0 31G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p15 259:15 0 31G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p16 259:16 0 31G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p17 259:17 0 31G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p18 259:18 0 31G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p19 259:19 0 31G 0 part └─nvme0n1p20 259:20 0 180.9G 0 part /Data -Bob Evans -----Original Message----- From: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Jul 23, 2025 1:48 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com>, Gregory Boyce <gregory.boyce(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Re: m.2 for pi5! Can I ask what method you used for installing Linux on it? I've got an NVMe drive in my pi5 as well, but all of the images I've seen expect to be dd'ed onto the device rather than a traditional install, which makes choosing a different filesystem or using LVM difficult. I've been planning on sitting down and doing a debootstrap based install at some point, but if you've found something easier I'd love to hear it. On Sun, Jul 20, 2025 at 4:33 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org (mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org)> wrote: I recently got all the bits so that I can stick a 1TB nvme on my pi5! it almost makes it feel like a "real" server. I'll probably bring the whole contraption with me for the next wlug meeting! Oh and yes.. I'm using ZFS for the filesystem! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org (mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org) To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org (mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org) Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MKDKR… -- Greg

July 23, 2025

Re: m.2 for pi5!

by Gregory Boyce

Can I ask what method you used for installing Linux on it? I've got an NVMe drive in my pi5 as well, but all of the images I've seen expect to be dd'ed onto the device rather than a traditional install, which makes choosing a different filesystem or using LVM difficult. I've been planning on sitting down and doing a debootstrap based install at some point, but if you've found something easier I'd love to hear it. On Sun, Jul 20, 2025 at 4:33 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I recently got all the bits so that I can stick a 1TB nvme on my pi5! > it almost makes it feel like a "real" server. > I'll probably bring the whole contraption with me for the next wlug > meeting! > > Oh and yes.. I'm using ZFS for the filesystem! > > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MKDKR… > -- Greg

July 23, 2025

m.2 for pi5!

by Tim Keller

I recently got all the bits so that I can stick a 1TB nvme on my pi5! it almost makes it feel like a "real" server. I'll probably bring the whole contraption with me for the next wlug meeting! Oh and yes.. I'm using ZFS for the filesystem! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 20, 2025

Re: Reboot required questions

by Michael Voorhis

Nothing maniacal about that in my book! On 7/16/25 10:31 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > I'm a maniac that's compiling his own kernel.. so my machine gets > rebooted all the time.

July 16, 2025

Re: Reboot required questions

by Tim Keller

I'm a maniac that's compiling his own kernel.. so my machine gets rebooted all the time.. generally I take updates, then build a kernel, install the kernel and then reboot. On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 8:17 AM Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Pardon me or the universe: > > I wrote that previously... > Months ago or more? Terrible rant. > > I don't know how it got sent (again?) today, I was in bed just now .. > asleep > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2025, 8:13 AM Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> doug> I was gonna reply, but my desktop Linux rebooted - oops my >> bad..Drafts to the rescue. >> >> Guess why my desktop rebooted? I was messing around trying to peek at >> Quit options >> ........musta highlighted Shut Down. I caused my own black screen of >> reboot/death! Ha. >> >> But I had Mint/etc updates waiting. I ALWAYS have them waiting. (except >> just now/rebooted). >> >> Gory detail/thoughts on your Q?: >> I can't think of a reason to fea of your current favored Choice2 below: >> >> Choice1: >> "reboot required" --> shut down now. Fire up tomorrow. >> OS patches ...mmm, nothing eye catching in the list that pops up >> on GUI/Mint/MATE on behalf of UpdateManager (not SoftwareManager), >> the bugger that pesters me, adds popups 1x/day or such... >> ,,,As you sneak-away/ponder "ready to reboot/shutdown?" >> you wonder when you feel like peeking at the update list. >> >> >> Choice2, (via any method ...click,allow,bless your imminent death, >> via anything like GUI choice Quit->Shut Down >> which probably invokes something like "shutdown --?" couple flags like >> >> *-h* >> The same as *--poweroff*, but does not override the action to >> take if it is "halt". E.g. *shutdown --reboot -h *means >> "poweroff", but *shutdown --halt -h *means "halt". >> >> >> Oh, gory! Anyways, the answer seems (always?) dependent on >> time/patience. >> >> >> Pardon the tangent now, if you're here, I'm amazed: >> "poweroff" however that really works with "shutdown" or other trick, >> might vary....... motherboard/etc might get a signal and take a real >> nap.. >> If you have hard disks, not SD, beware a days-long sleep ...sticky >> platter shaft/bearing... >> >> (choice3) If I was feeing Totally Watchful, I'd reboot, watch...Log In, >> ...then Quit. >> Inevitably=-> "Log In", and boring.....see what Update Manager sees in >> its playpen. >> >> Debates,topics, questions could easily continue if interesting! >> ---the bottom line might be >> what's the processes(session, service?) of greatest interest for you on >> your (desktop)? >> >> I leave/let a 2010 Dell Opti w Mint 20.1 sleep on its own, >> SanDisk HD/root good since 2018/2019?. 500gb/disk1 (disk2 for "your >> data" helps for long life). >> CPU Fans still orig and quiet, a miracle! --doug >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 4:37 PM The Hammer via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I usually run any updates on my Linux machine after I'm done using the >>> machine for the day. >>> >>> Sometimes the update the system says "reboot required" At that point I >>> close the active window. Hit restart, let the machine start up, reboot, >>> and then I sign in again before shutting down for the night. >>> >>> My question is: can I instead just shut down and wait until the next day >>> to start up the computer? >>> >>> (I've read on line that I need a "proper" shut down. With all the text >>> flashing at hyper speed I wonder if I do shut down or even start up >>> properly) >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3GBTB… >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HK3W3… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7AVXO… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 16, 2025

Re: Reboot required questions

by Doug Mildram

Pardon me or the universe: I wrote that previously... Months ago or more? Terrible rant. I don't know how it got sent (again?) today, I was in bed just now .. asleep On Wed, Jul 16, 2025, 8:13 AM Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > doug> I was gonna reply, but my desktop Linux rebooted - oops my > bad..Drafts to the rescue. > > Guess why my desktop rebooted? I was messing around trying to peek at Quit > options > ........musta highlighted Shut Down. I caused my own black screen of > reboot/death! Ha. > > But I had Mint/etc updates waiting. I ALWAYS have them waiting. (except > just now/rebooted). > > Gory detail/thoughts on your Q?: > I can't think of a reason to fea of your current favored Choice2 below: > > Choice1: > "reboot required" --> shut down now. Fire up tomorrow. > OS patches ...mmm, nothing eye catching in the list that pops up > on GUI/Mint/MATE on behalf of UpdateManager (not SoftwareManager), > the bugger that pesters me, adds popups 1x/day or such... > ,,,As you sneak-away/ponder "ready to reboot/shutdown?" > you wonder when you feel like peeking at the update list. > > > Choice2, (via any method ...click,allow,bless your imminent death, > via anything like GUI choice Quit->Shut Down > which probably invokes something like "shutdown --?" couple flags like > > *-h* > The same as *--poweroff*, but does not override the action to > take if it is "halt". E.g. *shutdown --reboot -h *means > "poweroff", but *shutdown --halt -h *means "halt". > > > Oh, gory! Anyways, the answer seems (always?) dependent on > time/patience. > > > Pardon the tangent now, if you're here, I'm amazed: > "poweroff" however that really works with "shutdown" or other trick, > might vary....... motherboard/etc might get a signal and take a real nap.. > If you have hard disks, not SD, beware a days-long sleep ...sticky platter > shaft/bearing... > > (choice3) If I was feeing Totally Watchful, I'd reboot, watch...Log In, > ...then Quit. > Inevitably=-> "Log In", and boring.....see what Update Manager sees in > its playpen. > > Debates,topics, questions could easily continue if interesting! > ---the bottom line might be > what's the processes(session, service?) of greatest interest for you on > your (desktop)? > > I leave/let a 2010 Dell Opti w Mint 20.1 sleep on its own, > SanDisk HD/root good since 2018/2019?. 500gb/disk1 (disk2 for "your data" > helps for long life). > CPU Fans still orig and quiet, a miracle! --doug > > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 4:37 PM The Hammer via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> I usually run any updates on my Linux machine after I'm done using the >> machine for the day. >> >> Sometimes the update the system says "reboot required" At that point I >> close the active window. Hit restart, let the machine start up, reboot, >> and then I sign in again before shutting down for the night. >> >> My question is: can I instead just shut down and wait until the next day >> to start up the computer? >> >> (I've read on line that I need a "proper" shut down. With all the text >> flashing at hyper speed I wonder if I do shut down or even start up >> properly) >> >> Ron >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3GBTB… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HK3W3… >

July 16, 2025

Re: Sorry about the A/V issues last night on Jitsi..

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Last night was *rough.* we tested stuff at our end and the issue was > definitely at the Jitsi side of things. I'm not sure I believe that. > We may have to explore a different platform for the virtual meetings.. I'm not sure I want that. There have been many times when jitsi worked well and times when roughness was clearly because the microphone was too far from the person speaking and somebody in the next room was using a jack hammer. To aid debugging here is my report: When I first got into the meeting, I could neither hear nor speak. Somebody fixed something and I could hear the meeting, but still could not speak. This was definitely a problem on my end. I went a "settings" menu where you choose whether to use the built-in microphone or the one on the headset. I had already chosen (correctly) the headset, but this time I noticed a scroll bar on the side and when I scrolled down it revealed a volume control which was set to zero. When I set it to one I could be heard. For a while it all worked well. Kevin gave a Very Impressive demo. Then you decided to change things around. I think I heard someone say something like "you need to use the microphone that goes with that window". The sound cut off. I figured you were working on it, and said nothing. When Kevin resumed his demo I could not hear it. Several people complained via the text-based "chat". The little window with Kevin's pictrure had a "muted" icon (micrphone with slash thru). Nobody seemed to be watching the chat and it no longer worked when I tried shouting. I suspect that if anyone had noticed that Kevin had was muted and pressed the correct "unmute" button, all would have been good again. -- Keith

July 11, 2025

Re: Meeting THIS WEEK, July 10th, 2025! Topic: ?TrueNAS? Pi Kiosk displays?

by Tracie Winslow

Ooh! I've read about using Tailscale with a pi-hole, but I haven't seen it in action. I'm looking forward to it! *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for no one."*- Souza On Fri, Jul 11, 2025, 7:12 AM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I recently bought for my pi5 an actual cooler amd a hat that'll let me > connect a m.2. > > I've hinted at setting up a zulip server and other stuff on it and then > serving it over a tailsacale funnel. > > Time to put actually do it and present it.. > > So, I guess we've got a topic for August! > > Tim. > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > On Thu, Jul 10, 2025, 5:46 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >> >>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >> > I am interested in a pihole as well. I also just got an N150 mini pc >> for things like this. I am >> > particulary interested in doing this with docker images. When I tried >> to install a docker >> > recursive DNS server that I trust, It needed a Email address, which I >> did not want to place on my >> > internet email provider. So now I have to install a EMail server for >> pihole. (recusion sucks). >> >> > Another area of interest for me might be the consequences of CGNET >> > (if any) for a DYNDNS setup for a personal home page and similar >> > things. There is a small possibility that I will have fiber >> > available in the next couple of months and the provider apparently >> > uses CGNET. >> >> I use dyndns for my stoffel.org domain, so I have a couple of records >> in there, two are dynamic DNS which means the router at the remote >> location will send out updates if the WAN site IP changes. This makes >> it nice to get home via SSH if need be. >> >> What I'd like to see is a discussion on setting up and using wireguard >> to access home system(s) or networks from remote locations. I started >> playing with it, but got bogged down and never made any progress. >> >> I'm using OPNsense as my home firewall. And of course testing remote >> access is a pain. I've got wireguard on my phone, but haven't made >> the testing part work quite yet. >> >

July 11, 2025

Sorry about the A/V issues last night on Jitsi..

by Tim Keller

To our members on the Jitsi call, sorry. Last night was *rough.* we tested stuff at our end and the issue was definitely at the Jitsi side of things. We may have to explore a different platform for the virtual meetings.. Thanks for the patience. Tim.

July 11, 2025

Re: Meeting THIS WEEK, July 10th, 2025! Topic: ?TrueNAS? Pi Kiosk displays?

by Tim Keller

I recently bought for my pi5 an actual cooler amd a hat that'll let me connect a m.2. I've hinted at setting up a zulip server and other stuff on it and then serving it over a tailsacale funnel. Time to put actually do it and present it.. So, I guess we've got a topic for August! Tim. I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". On Thu, Jul 10, 2025, 5:46 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > I am interested in a pihole as well. I also just got an N150 mini pc > for things like this. I am > > particulary interested in doing this with docker images. When I tried > to install a docker > > recursive DNS server that I trust, It needed a Email address, which I > did not want to place on my > > internet email provider. So now I have to install a EMail server for > pihole. (recusion sucks). > > > Another area of interest for me might be the consequences of CGNET > > (if any) for a DYNDNS setup for a personal home page and similar > > things. There is a small possibility that I will have fiber > > available in the next couple of months and the provider apparently > > uses CGNET. > > I use dyndns for my stoffel.org domain, so I have a couple of records > in there, two are dynamic DNS which means the router at the remote > location will send out updates if the WAN site IP changes. This makes > it nice to get home via SSH if need be. > > What I'd like to see is a discussion on setting up and using wireguard > to access home system(s) or networks from remote locations. I started > playing with it, but got bogged down and never made any progress. > > I'm using OPNsense as my home firewall. And of course testing remote > access is a pain. I've got wireguard on my phone, but haven't made > the testing part work quite yet. >

July 11, 2025

Re: Sox question

by gmcaplan＠gmcaplan.org

Thank you. I will study this and reply in detail soon. George On 2025-07-10 6:05 pm, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >>>>>> "gmcaplan---" == gmcaplan--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >>>>>> writes: > >> I have tried to get an answer to this question thru Stackexachange, >> but >> they give me bureaucratic reasons why this question does not qualify >> for >> an answer. Maybe one of you can give me some guidance. Here is the >> question: > > Hahahahahaha! Stack exchange, the only place where you post a > question, then login as a different account and give a _wrong_ > answer, so people will jump all over things to give a correct answer! > > >> I am running Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. I use this command line to record from >> either Line In or microphone: > > > >> sox -t alsa default \Desktop/FTC/RecdMsg$(date >> +"%Yx%mx%dx%Ix%Mx%Sx%p")x1.mp3 > > Do you really use a \ instead of / at the start? > > >> A cable is always plugged into Line In. If I plug a microphone into >> the >> Front Microphone connector, this command line records from the mic. If >> I >> physically unplug the mic, I can record from Line In. > > So I suspect this might actually be a hardware problem. Can you > provide more details on your motherboard and sound system? 'lspci' > output might help. dmesg, etc. > >> I hope someone can help me: >> a. Create a similar command that always records from Line In >> b. Create a similar command that always records from Front Microphone >> c. Create a command that asks me which input I want to use > > > What does the output of 'amixer' show on your system? > > Or the output of: arecord -l > > give? This URL might help at little bit as well, though it is old: > > https://askubuntu.com/questions/891623/how-to-list-access-all-the-available… > > > But do your a-c questions, I'd just setup some bash aliases, or > scripts to do what I want, something sorta like this, though I'm not > sure on the exact sox args to use. And I know my alias needs > work. but the idea is: > >> alias recmic='sox rec -t alsa $(date > >> +"%Yx%mx%dx%Ix%Mx%Sx%p")-$o.mp3' > > Then to use it do you: > >> o=file >> recmic > > and it would save to <datestring>-file.mp3 > > Or you setup an alias like the above called: > >> alias recline='sox rec -t alsa ....' > > > > And here's something that looks really useful: > > https://websites.umich.edu/~diehl/LinuxHomeRecording.pdf > > > And have you tried using 'audacity' for your recording needs as well? > It's a GUI and might help you do some quick stuff, or at least help > you figure out which port(s) to specify. > > Even better, try to come to a meeting and bring your hardware and > we'll sit down and work with you to make it all work! > > Cheers, > John > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/43GGV…

July 10, 2025

Re: Sox question

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "gmcaplan---" == gmcaplan--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I have tried to get an answer to this question thru Stackexachange, but > they give me bureaucratic reasons why this question does not qualify for > an answer. Maybe one of you can give me some guidance. Here is the > question: Hahahahahaha! Stack exchange, the only place where you post a question, then login as a different account and give a _wrong_ answer, so people will jump all over things to give a correct answer! > I am running Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. I use this command line to record from > either Line In or microphone: > sox -t alsa default \Desktop/FTC/RecdMsg$(date > +"%Yx%mx%dx%Ix%Mx%Sx%p")x1.mp3 Do you really use a \ instead of / at the start? > A cable is always plugged into Line In. If I plug a microphone into the > Front Microphone connector, this command line records from the mic. If I > physically unplug the mic, I can record from Line In. So I suspect this might actually be a hardware problem. Can you provide more details on your motherboard and sound system? 'lspci' output might help. dmesg, etc. > I hope someone can help me: > a. Create a similar command that always records from Line In > b. Create a similar command that always records from Front Microphone > c. Create a command that asks me which input I want to use What does the output of 'amixer' show on your system? Or the output of: arecord -l give? This URL might help at little bit as well, though it is old: https://askubuntu.com/questions/891623/how-to-list-access-all-the-available… But do your a-c questions, I'd just setup some bash aliases, or scripts to do what I want, something sorta like this, though I'm not sure on the exact sox args to use. And I know my alias needs work. but the idea is: > alias recmic='sox rec -t alsa $(date > +"%Yx%mx%dx%Ix%Mx%Sx%p")-$o.mp3' Then to use it do you: > o=file > recmic and it would save to <datestring>-file.mp3 Or you setup an alias like the above called: > alias recline='sox rec -t alsa ....' And here's something that looks really useful: https://websites.umich.edu/~diehl/LinuxHomeRecording.pdf And have you tried using 'audacity' for your recording needs as well? It's a GUI and might help you do some quick stuff, or at least help you figure out which port(s) to specify. Even better, try to come to a meeting and bring your hardware and we'll sit down and work with you to make it all work! Cheers, John

July 10, 2025

Re: Reminder WLUG Meeting tonight! Topic PiHole / Cadoodle!

by Tim Keller

Absolutely! All cool setups are welcome! On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 5:47 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Tracie" == Tracie Winslow via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > Actually, I was hoping I could show my pi-hole on my Linux mini-pc, > > along with my setup of cloudflared to go with it. > > Please bring it and we'll make the time to show it! > > > -- > > "For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real > life. But there was always > > some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some > unfinished business, time > > still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that > these obstacles were my life. > > This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. > Happiness is the way. So > > treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for no one." > > - Souza > > > On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 4:17 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > Hey Everybody! > > > We've got a wlug meeting tonight! > > Time: 7pm > > Date: TODAY!!! July 10th, 2024 > > Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland Ave. Worcester MA > > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > > Topic: Ad blocking and CAD! > > I'm going to give a quick demo of a PiHole server I literally built > this afternoon running on > > a Pi5. Pi-Hole is DNS blackholing software that drastically reduces > how many ads get served to > > your browser! > > > Cadoodle! Kevin has finally gotten Cadoodle to a place where he > wants to show it to the world > > so we're going to let him show off his great piece of software! > > > As usual, we'll go out to dinner after the meeting and keep up the > conversation! > > Later, > > Tim. > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as > > "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BVGEQ… > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/IRNUG… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 10, 2025

Re: Reminder WLUG Meeting tonight! Topic PiHole / Cadoodle!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tracie" == Tracie Winslow via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Actually, I was hoping I could show my pi-hole on my Linux mini-pc, > along with my setup of cloudflared to go with it. Please bring it and we'll make the time to show it! > -- > "For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there was always > some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished business, time > still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. > This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is the way. So > treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for no one." > - Souza > On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 4:17 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Everybody! > We've got a wlug meeting tonight! > Time: 7pm > Date: TODAY!!! July 10th, 2024 > Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland Ave. Worcester MA > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: Ad blocking and CAD! > I'm going to give a quick demo of a PiHole server I literally built this afternoon running on > a Pi5. Pi-Hole is DNS blackholing software that drastically reduces how many ads get served to > your browser! > Cadoodle! Kevin has finally gotten Cadoodle to a place where he wants to show it to the world > so we're going to let him show off his great piece of software! > As usual, we'll go out to dinner after the meeting and keep up the conversation! > Later, > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as > "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BVGEQ… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/IRNUG…

July 10, 2025

Re: Meeting THIS WEEK, July 10th, 2025! Topic: ?TrueNAS? Pi Kiosk displays?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I am interested in a pihole as well. I also just got an N150 mini pc for things like this. I am > particulary interested in doing this with docker images. When I tried to install a docker > recursive DNS server that I trust, It needed a Email address, which I did not want to place on my > internet email provider. So now I have to install a EMail server for pihole. (recusion sucks). > Another area of interest for me might be the consequences of CGNET > (if any) for a DYNDNS setup for a personal home page and similar > things. There is a small possibility that I will have fiber > available in the next couple of months and the provider apparently > uses CGNET. I use dyndns for my stoffel.org domain, so I have a couple of records in there, two are dynamic DNS which means the router at the remote location will send out updates if the WAN site IP changes. This makes it nice to get home via SSH if need be. What I'd like to see is a discussion on setting up and using wireguard to access home system(s) or networks from remote locations. I started playing with it, but got bogged down and never made any progress. I'm using OPNsense as my home firewall. And of course testing remote access is a pain. I've got wireguard on my phone, but haven't made the testing part work quite yet.

July 10, 2025

Re: Meeting THIS WEEK, July 10th, 2025! Topic: ?TrueNAS? Pi Kiosk displays?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Harrington via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I would like to do a proper introduction to CaDoodle now that it's released as beta! Excellent! > On Tue, Jul 8, 2025, 1:31 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Everybody! > We've got a meeting this week! > Date: July 10th, 2025 @ 7PM > Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA. > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: I could talk about TrueNAS if people were interested in that, otherwise, this might be > a bit of a freeform meeting. The other thing that I've been doing lately is turning Pi's into > kiosk displays.. but that's going to take about 10 minutes to explain.. > If someone has something they really want to talk about let me know! > As usual we'll head off to dinner afterwards and keep talking. > See you there! > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as > "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQUZT… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/JEFG4…

July 10, 2025

Re: Reminder WLUG Meeting tonight! Topic PiHole / Cadoodle!

by Tracie Winslow

Actually, I was hoping I could show my pi-hole on my Linux mini-pc, along with my setup of cloudflared to go with it. -- *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for no one."*- Souza On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 4:17 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Everybody! > > We've got a wlug meeting tonight! > Time: 7pm > Date: TODAY!!! July 10th, 2024 > Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland Ave. Worcester MA > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > Topic: Ad blocking and CAD! > I'm going to give a quick demo of a PiHole server I literally built this > afternoon running on a Pi5. Pi-Hole is DNS blackholing software that > drastically reduces how many ads get served to your browser! > > Cadoodle! Kevin has finally gotten Cadoodle to a place where he wants to > show it to the world so we're going to let him show off his great piece of > software! > > As usual, we'll go out to dinner after the meeting and keep up the > conversation! > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BVGEQ… >

July 10, 2025

Reminder WLUG Meeting tonight! Topic PiHole / Cadoodle!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a wlug meeting tonight! Time: 7pm Date: TODAY!!! July 10th, 2024 Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland Ave. Worcester MA Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Ad blocking and CAD! I'm going to give a quick demo of a PiHole server I literally built this afternoon running on a Pi5. Pi-Hole is DNS blackholing software that drastically reduces how many ads get served to your browser! Cadoodle! Kevin has finally gotten Cadoodle to a place where he wants to show it to the world so we're going to let him show off his great piece of software! As usual, we'll go out to dinner after the meeting and keep up the conversation! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 10, 2025

Re: Meeting THIS WEEK, July 10th, 2025! Topic: ?TrueNAS? Pi Kiosk displays?

by eroc1990

Something like Tailscale Funnel might meet your needs with CGNAT. https://tailscale.com/kb/1223/funnel You would need a cheap VPS to act as the funnel entry but those are fairly inexpensive these days. -------- Original Message -------- On 7/9/25 9:22 PM, Kevin Stratton via WLUG wrote: > I am interested in a pihole as well. I also just got an N150 mini pc for things like this. I am particulary interested in doing this with docker images. When I tried to install a docker recursive DNS server that I trust, It needed a Email address, which I did not want to place on my internet email provider. So now I have to install a EMail server for pihole. (recusion sucks). > > Another area of interest for me might be the consequences of CGNET (if any) for a DYNDNS setup for a personal home page and similar things. There is a small possibility that I will have fiber available in the next couple of months and the provider apparently uses CGNET. > > On 7/9/25 5:28 PM, Frank Sweetser via WLUG wrote: > >> That would be a great talk! Pi holes are a perfect way for people to get started on Linux, so it's great to show off what they can do. >> >> - Frank >> >> On Wed, Jul 9, 2025, 5:18 PM Tracie Winslow via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >>> I have a pihole but I've been meaning to set one up on my Linux mini-pc instead. Want me to bring my Linux mini-pc and show how to set up a pihole and use it? >>> >>> "For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles weremy life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for no one."- Souza >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2025, 6:01 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Sure!! >>>> >>>> Another topic that came up in a side channel is what is involved in setting up a pihole. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 2:05 PM Kevin Harrington via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would like to do a proper introduction to CaDoodle now that it's released as beta! >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2025, 1:31 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hey Everybody! >>>>>> >>>>>> We've got a meeting this week! >>>>>> Date: July 10th, 2025 @ 7PM >>>>>> Location: Technocopia, [44 Portland St. Worcester MA](https://www.google.com/maps/search/44+Portland+St.+Worcester+MA?entry=g…. >>>>>> Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA >>>>>> >>>>>> Topic: I could talk about TrueNAS if people were interested in that, otherwise, this might be a bit of a freeform meeting. The other thing that I've been doing lately is turning Pi's into kiosk displays.. but that's going to take about 10 minutes to explain.. >>>>>> If someone has something they really want to talk about let me know! >>>>>> >>>>>> As usual we'll head off to dinner afterwards and keep talking. >>>>>> >>>>>> See you there! >>>>>> Tim. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>>>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>>>> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQUZT… >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>>> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/JEFG4… >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5WFZQ… >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/G4O4P… >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CWXLK…

July 10, 2025

Re: Meeting THIS WEEK, July 10th, 2025! Topic: ?TrueNAS? Pi Kiosk displays?

by Kevin Stratton

I am interested in a pihole as well. I also just got an N150 mini pc for things like this. I am particulary interested in doing this with docker images. When I tried to install a docker recursive DNS server that I trust, It needed a Email address, which I did not want to place on my internet email provider. So now I have to install a EMail server for pihole. (recusion sucks). Another area of interest for me might be the consequences of CGNET (if any) for a DYNDNS setup for a personal home page and similar things. There is a small possibility that I will have fiber available in the next couple of months and the provider apparently uses CGNET. On 7/9/25 5:28 PM, Frank Sweetser via WLUG wrote: > That would be a great talk! Pi holes are a perfect way for people to > get started on Linux, so it's great to show off what they can do. > > - Frank > > On Wed, Jul 9, 2025, 5:18 PM Tracie Winslow via WLUG > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > I have a pihole but I've been meaning to set one up on my Linux > mini-pc instead. Want me to bring my Linux mini-pc and show how to > set up a pihole and use it? > > *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - > real life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, > something to be gotten through first, some unfinished business, > time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on > me that these obstacles _/were/_//my life. This perspective has > helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is the > way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time > waits for no one." > *- Souza > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2025, 6:01 PM Tim Keller via WLUG > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Sure!! > > Another topic that came up in a side channel is what is > involved in setting up a pihole. > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 2:05 PM Kevin Harrington via WLUG > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > I would like to do a proper introduction to CaDoodle now > that it's released as beta! > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2025, 1:31 PM Tim Keller via WLUG > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Hey Everybody! > > We've got a meeting this week! > Date: July 10th, 2025 @ 7PM > Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/44+Portland+St.+Worcester+MA?entry=gmail…>. > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > Topic: I could talk about TrueNAS if people were > interested in that, otherwise, this might be a bit of > a freeform meeting. The other thing that I've been > doing lately is turning Pi's into kiosk displays.. but > that's going to take about 10 minutes to explain.. > If someone has something they really want to talk > about let me know! > > As usual we'll head off to dinner afterwards and keep > talking. > > See you there! > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who > refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQUZT… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/JEFG4… > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to > their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5WFZQ… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/G4O4P… > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org…

July 10, 2025

Re: Meeting THIS WEEK, July 10th, 2025! Topic: ?TrueNAS? Pi Kiosk displays?

by Frank Sweetser

That would be a great talk! Pi holes are a perfect way for people to get started on Linux, so it's great to show off what they can do. - Frank On Wed, Jul 9, 2025, 5:18 PM Tracie Winslow via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I have a pihole but I've been meaning to set one up on my Linux mini-pc > instead. Want me to bring my Linux mini-pc and show how to set up a pihole > and use it? > > > *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real > life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten > through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to > be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This > perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is > the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for > no one."*- Souza > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2025, 6:01 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Sure!! >> >> Another topic that came up in a side channel is what is involved in >> setting up a pihole. >> >> On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 2:05 PM Kevin Harrington via WLUG < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >>> I would like to do a proper introduction to CaDoodle now that it's >>> released as beta! >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2025, 1:31 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Everybody! >>>> >>>> We've got a meeting this week! >>>> Date: July 10th, 2025 @ 7PM >>>> Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/44+Portland+St.+Worcester+MA?entry=gmail…> >>>> . >>>> Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA >>>> >>>> Topic: I could talk about TrueNAS if people were interested in that, >>>> otherwise, this might be a bit of a freeform meeting. The other thing that >>>> I've been doing lately is turning Pi's into kiosk displays.. but that's >>>> going to take about 10 minutes to explain.. >>>> If someone has something they really want to talk about let me know! >>>> >>>> As usual we'll head off to dinner afterwards and keep talking. >>>> >>>> See you there! >>>> Tim. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>>> constituents as "consumers". >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQUZT… >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/JEFG4… >>> >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5WFZQ… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/G4O4P… >

July 9, 2025

Re: Meeting THIS WEEK, July 10th, 2025! Topic: ?TrueNAS? Pi Kiosk displays?

by Tracie Winslow

I have a pihole but I've been meaning to set one up on my Linux mini-pc instead. Want me to bring my Linux mini-pc and show how to set up a pihole and use it? *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for no one."*- Souza On Tue, Jul 8, 2025, 6:01 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Sure!! > > Another topic that came up in a side channel is what is involved in > setting up a pihole. > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 2:05 PM Kevin Harrington via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> I would like to do a proper introduction to CaDoodle now that it's >> released as beta! >> >> On Tue, Jul 8, 2025, 1:31 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Hey Everybody! >>> >>> We've got a meeting this week! >>> Date: July 10th, 2025 @ 7PM >>> Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/44+Portland+St.+Worcester+MA?entry=gmail…> >>> . >>> Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA >>> >>> Topic: I could talk about TrueNAS if people were interested in that, >>> otherwise, this might be a bit of a freeform meeting. The other thing that >>> I've been doing lately is turning Pi's into kiosk displays.. but that's >>> going to take about 10 minutes to explain.. >>> If someone has something they really want to talk about let me know! >>> >>> As usual we'll head off to dinner afterwards and keep talking. >>> >>> See you there! >>> Tim. >>> >>> -- >>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> constituents as "consumers". >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQUZT… >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/JEFG4… >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5WFZQ… >

July 9, 2025

Re: Meeting THIS WEEK, July 10th, 2025! Topic: ?TrueNAS? Pi Kiosk displays?

by Tim Keller

Sure!! Another topic that came up in a side channel is what is involved in setting up a pihole. On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 2:05 PM Kevin Harrington via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I would like to do a proper introduction to CaDoodle now that it's > released as beta! > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2025, 1:31 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Hey Everybody! >> >> We've got a meeting this week! >> Date: July 10th, 2025 @ 7PM >> Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/44+Portland+St.+Worcester+MA?entry=gmail…> >> . >> Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA >> >> Topic: I could talk about TrueNAS if people were interested in that, >> otherwise, this might be a bit of a freeform meeting. The other thing that >> I've been doing lately is turning Pi's into kiosk displays.. but that's >> going to take about 10 minutes to explain.. >> If someone has something they really want to talk about let me know! >> >> As usual we'll head off to dinner afterwards and keep talking. >> >> See you there! >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQUZT… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/JEFG4… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 8, 2025

Re: Meeting THIS WEEK, July 10th, 2025! Topic: ?TrueNAS? Pi Kiosk displays?

by Kevin Harrington

I would like to do a proper introduction to CaDoodle now that it's released as beta! On Tue, Jul 8, 2025, 1:31 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Everybody! > > We've got a meeting this week! > Date: July 10th, 2025 @ 7PM > Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/44+Portland+St.+Worcester+MA?entry=gmail…> > . > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > Topic: I could talk about TrueNAS if people were interested in that, > otherwise, this might be a bit of a freeform meeting. The other thing that > I've been doing lately is turning Pi's into kiosk displays.. but that's > going to take about 10 minutes to explain.. > If someone has something they really want to talk about let me know! > > As usual we'll head off to dinner afterwards and keep talking. > > See you there! > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQUZT… >

July 8, 2025

Meeting THIS WEEK, July 10th, 2025! Topic: ?TrueNAS? Pi Kiosk displays?

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting this week! Date: July 10th, 2025 @ 7PM Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: I could talk about TrueNAS if people were interested in that, otherwise, this might be a bit of a freeform meeting. The other thing that I've been doing lately is turning Pi's into kiosk displays.. but that's going to take about 10 minutes to explain.. If someone has something they really want to talk about let me know! As usual we'll head off to dinner afterwards and keep talking. See you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 8, 2025

Re: Reminder!!! *NO* Meeting tomorrow

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> writes: > John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > At a previous meeting you showed a black box about the size of a thick > book and called it a "desktop computer". I thought a desktop computer > was one too big to be a "laptop", but your black box is smaller than > my laptop. > I forgot the name of that black box. What is it? It's a beelink Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5825U system. Here's a link to the Amazon site I got it from. It looks like it's $298 right now, and it comes with 32gb of RAM (expandable to 64gb) and a 500mb NVME disk. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C2P486GQ?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title > I suppose it is a "desktop" because it needs a separate screen and > keyboard, but what connectors are there? Yes, it's a desktop. But I think you can even mount it on the back of some monitors if they support the VESA mounting standard. It's damn small. > I have several big flat screens that are attached to former > computers by odd plugs, and PS/2 keyboards, RJ-45 ethernet plugs. So this unit has Display Port, HDMI and I think it will also do display over USB-C port at 10gb/s. It's pretty damn impressive for the cost. > I got the ethernet working with Spectrum internet, but am > running out of working computers that plug into it. This is a cheap way to get a nice fast, quiet, low power unit. It won't do for long sustained tasks, but for browsing, editing, compiling, etc it 's great. Also comes with ethernet.

July 8, 2025

Re: Reminder!!! *NO* Meeting tomorrow

by Keith Wright

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Keith, > I hope you're staying cool! >> I feel lumpy; like a cucumber. Lumpy and cool as a cucumber. At a previous meeting you showed a black box about the size of a thick book and called it a "desktop computer". I thought a desktop computer was one too big to be a "laptop", but your black box is smaller than my laptop. I forgot the name of that black box. What is it? I suppose it is a "desktop" because it needs a separate screen and keyboard, but what connectors are there? I have several big flat screens that are attached to former computers by odd plugs, and PS/2 keyboards, RJ-45 ethernet plugs. I got the ethernet working with Spectrum internet, but am running out of working computers that plug into it. -- Keith

July 7, 2025

Sox question

by gmcaplan＠gmcaplan.org

Hi Folks, I have tried to get an answer to this question thru Stackexachange, but they give me bureaucratic reasons why this question does not qualify for an answer. Maybe one of you can give me some guidance. Here is the question: I am running Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. I use this command line to record from either Line In or microphone: sox -t alsa default \Desktop/FTC/RecdMsg$(date +"%Yx%mx%dx%Ix%Mx%Sx%p")x1.mp3 A cable is always plugged into Line In. If I plug a microphone into the Front Microphone connector, this command line records from the mic. If I physically unplug the mic, I can record from Line In. I hope someone can help me: a. Create a similar command that always records from Line In b. Create a similar command that always records from Front Microphone c. Create a command that asks me which input I want to use Thank you. George Caplan email: gmcaplan(a)gmcaplan.org

July 2, 2025

Re: Reminder!!! *NO* Meeting tomorrow

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Keith, I hope you're staying cool! > John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> What a great meeting last week! A big shout out to Xavier for doing >> his presentation on NixOS! Hopefully Tim will be able to share the >> links to the slides and other info. > Yes, thank you. I would like to review the slides. >> We talked about: >> >> NixOS >> >> - A tool and environment for building systems in a deterministic >> manner. Sorta like Ansible, or Puppet, or Chef, or Salt or >> cfengine (old school!) or Terraform. > I don't know what any of those are. I was comparing it to apt-get, rpm, > yumm and, of course guix. I think I heard Xavier say something about > teamwork between Nix and guix, which would be good because I don't think > we need $2^n$ incompatible package managers. So think of those tools listed above as the next step up in abstraction to managing groups of packages and entire system level configuration. So I use Ansible and I tell it to install a bunch of packages, and then ansible uses apt or dpkg to do the actual install. Ansible (or terraform, salt, chef, puppet, etc) are all tools for bringing systems into alignment with your specifications. They add/remove packages, make updates to configurations, etc. NixOS is more like apt and rpm, with the idea that (as I understand it) you have a much more reproducable set of packages that are cryptographically proveable to be the same. Not so much from a signed with a key, but more in the form of hashes that track state all the way back to the source package. > I looked up NixOS, expecting to see a lot of cartoons. Where did those > cartoons come from and are they "official"? I don't know. Maybe Xavier or somethinh with the slides can chime in here? >> And what are the feelings of those who are remote? > I feel lumpy; like a cucumber. LOL! >> Were you able to follow along and enjoy the talk? > The first half-hour or so was near intolerable, but then the noise > stopped and the camera stopped bouncing and all was good. Yeah, the noise in the usual conference room was crazy. And I just found another tool which I think Xavier was using in his shell. Take a look at 'starship': https://starship.rs/ which I find funky because it requires you to have Nerdfonts (https://www.nerdfonts.com/) installed. Which honestly seems like a step backwards, just like Emojis are a step backward. Yes, it's fun to have and know the meaning (or supposed meaning!) of a special graphical image, but it really feels like we're going back to Egyptian Heiroglyphics. Which means you have to memorize hundreds or thousands of individual characters to make words. And then you still have to join them together into bigger chunks. The power of the Roman (or other smaller alphabets) to me is that you have a smaller number of pictographs or letters to know, which you can string together into larger concepts more easily. This is ignoring language and pronounciation issues of course. Ah well, enough ranting, it's gonna be another scorcher today, so stay cool everybody! John

June 25, 2025

Re: Reminder!!! *NO* Meeting tomorrow

by Keith Wright

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > What a great meeting last week! A big shout out to Xavier for doing > his presentation on NixOS! Hopefully Tim will be able to share the > links to the slides and other info. Yes, thank you. I would like to review the slides. > We talked about: > > NixOS > > - A tool and environment for building systems in a deterministic > manner. Sorta like Ansible, or Puppet, or Chef, or Salt or > cfengine (old school!) or Terraform. I don't know what any of those are. I was comparing it to apt-get, rpm, yumm and, of course guix. I think I heard Xavier say something about teamwork between Nix and guix, which would be good because I don't think we need $2^n$ incompatible package managers. I looked up NixOS, expecting to see a lot of cartoons. Where did those cartoons come from and are they "official"? > And what are the feelings of those who are remote? I feel lumpy; like a cucumber. > Were you able to follow along and enjoy the talk? The first half-hour or so was near intolerable, but then the noise stopped and the camera stopped bouncing and all was good. -- Keith

June 20, 2025

Re: Reminder!!! Meeting tomorrow night! Topic: Nix

by John Stoffel

Hey guys, What a great meeting last week! A big shout out to Xavier for doing his presentation on NixOS! Hopefully Tim will be able to share the links to the slides and other info. We talked about: NixOS - A tool and environment for building systems in a deterministic manner. Sorta like Ansible, or Puppet, or Chef, or Salt or cfengine (old school!) or Terraform. But with it's own twist on how it keeps a hash pointing at the version you have, so you can mix-n-match tools versions easily. nushell (https://www.nushell.sh/) - a new shell for Linux and MacOS which includes some PowerShell like features. It looks interesting for sure. But maybe this old dog is too stuck in his ways to change direnv (https://direnv.net/) - A way to have your shell environment updated when you 'cd' into a directory, so that you don't have to remember what environment settings your need when you're moving around and doing work. I wish I had this for my engineers back when I was supporting an ASIC design team, they would have loved this. So who's going to present next month? And what are the feelings of those who are remote? Were you able to follow along and enjoy the talk? Doing both in-person and streamed stuff is tough at times, and I feel like we're not paying enough attention to those who try to comment from remote connections. Cheers, John

June 17, 2025

Re: Reminder!!! Meeting tomorrow night! Topic: Nix

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: See you all there! > Just a reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow night! > Date: June 12th, 2025 > Time: 7pm > Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland st. Worcester MA > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: Nix Package Manager > Presenter: Xavier Ruis > Fellow WLUG member Evan White has asked his friend Xavier to speak at WLUG and he's graciously > agreed. > Xavier Ruis is one of the organizers of the Boston Typescript club and will be giving a talk about > the Nix Package manager! https://nixos.org/ > Nix is a packaging system that allows for the creation of "declarative builds and deployments" It > works on all the distros as well as the NixOS linux distribution. > Afterwards we'll head off to dinner to continue the conversation! > I hope to see you there! > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/44PZQ…

June 12, 2025

Reminder!!! Meeting tomorrow night! Topic: Nix

by Tim Keller

Just a reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow night! Date: June 12th, 2025 Time: 7pm Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland st. Worcester MA Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Nix Package Manager Presenter: Xavier Ruis Fellow WLUG member Evan White has asked his friend Xavier to speak at WLUG and he's graciously agreed. Xavier Ruis is one of the organizers of the Boston Typescript club and will be giving a talk about the Nix Package manager! https://nixos.org/ Nix is a packaging system that allows for the creation of "declarative builds and deployments" It works on all the distros as well as the NixOS linux distribution. Afterwards we'll head off to dinner to continue the conversation! I hope to see you there! Tim.

June 11, 2025

WLUG.. Already?!? Yup! June 12th 2025 Topic: Nix Package Manager, Presenter: Xavier Ruiz

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! Fellow WLUG member Evan White has asked his friend Xavier to speak at WLUG and he's graciously agreed. Xavier Ruis is one of the organizers of the Boston Typescript club and will be giving a talk about the Nix Package manager! https://nixos.org/ Nix is a packaging system that allows for the creation of "declarative builds and deployments" It works on all the distros as well as the NixOS linux distribution. Here's all the vital details! Date: June 12th, 2025 Time: 7pm Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland Ave. Worcester MA Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Afterwards we'll head out to dinner and continue the conversation. I hope to see you there! Tim -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 9, 2025

Re: Reminder!! Meeting This Thursday!! May 29th, 2024 Topic: Mini-PC, QLC+

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Hey Everybody! > We've got a meeting this week! > Time: 7pm > Date: May 29th, 2025 > Location: Technocopia > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: BeeLink Mini-PC > Presenter: John Stoffel. > Long time WLUG member John Stoffel has graciously agreed to show off > his new, small, but mighty desktop. We'll put it through its paces > with a couple quick demos and tests. I may need to blow it all away and run some ventoy stuff on there... if only because it depends so much on working LDAP and NFS mounts! More will be shown at the meeting. > Along with his mini pc, he's also got QLC+ lighting control software > and an LED instrument with RGBW Leds in it to demo and show off it > being controlled by a linux system. QLC+ has slowed down in > development lately, but it's an interesting alternative to QLAB when > you don't have a Mac, and Qlab only runs on Macs. I'll be trying to have some example show files in place, it might be a bit hard to see over the video, but hopefully it will look good!

May 27, 2025

Reminder!! Meeting This Thursday!! May 29th, 2024 Topic: Mini-PC, QLC+

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting this week! Time: 7pm Date: May 29th, 2025 Location: Technocopia Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: BeeLink Mini-PC Presenter: John Stoffel. Long time WLUG member John Stoffel has graciously agreed to show off his new, small, but mighty desktop. We'll put it through its paces with a couple quick demos and tests. Along with his mini pc, he's also got QLC+ lighting control software and an LED instrument with RGBW Leds in it to demo and show off it being controlled by a linux system. QLC+ has slowed down in development lately, but it's an interesting alternative to QLAB when you don't have a Mac, and Qlab only runs on Macs. As usual, we'll head off for dinner afterwards to keep the conversation going. Later, Tim.

May 27, 2025

Re: Meeting this week, May 22nd at 7pm! Topic: Mini PC!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Date: May 29nd (updated!) > Topic: Mini-PC.Long time WLUG member John Stoffel has graciously > agreed to show off his new, small but mighty desktop. We'll put it > through its paces with a couple quick demos and tests. We'll likely > get OpenWebUI running on it, as well as Cadoodle. I've also got QLC+ lighting control software and an LED instrument with RGBW Leds in it to demo and show off it being controlled by a linux system. QLC+ has slowed down in development lately, but it's an interesting alternative to QLAB when you don't have a Mac, and Qlab only runs on Macs. https://www.qlcplus.org/ https://qlab.app/ For those of you who want me details of the mini PC, it's a Beelink Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5850U system with 1Tb NVME and 16gb of RAM. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C2P486GQ?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title I'm super impressed by what it provides, and it's certainly an upgrade over my old AMD Athlon Phenom II Quad core system I was using as my desktop before. > I recently started (trying!) to use a glove80 keyboard so I'll bring > that along so people can give it a try as well. I'm sad to say that http://www.wasdkeyboards.com where I got my CODE keyboard quite a number of years ago seems to be no more. So eventually I'll be looking for a new tenkeyless model to replace the two I have, mostly because the keycaps are wearing off. > As usual, we'll head off for dinner afterwards to keep the conversation going. The more the merrier! John

May 22, 2025

Re: Let's not be stupid.. Moving the meeting to the 28th.

by Tim Keller

Yeah.. I meant the 29th.. Thanks! On Wed, May 21, 2025 at 12:50 PM Frank Sweetser <frank.sweetser(a)gmail.com> wrote: > So the 28th is a Wednesday. Did you mean to say it's going on Thursday > the 29th? > > On Wed, May 21, 2025 at 11:16 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> John texted me this morning that there's a nor'easter on the way. >> >> The weather people, who are using Linux to run the large models are >> predicting heavy rain and winds, localized flooding, etc. >> >> I care more about the members of this group than keeping to a schedule. >> >> I think it makes sense to move the meeting to the 28th.. >> >> Stay safe everybody! >> Tim. >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ES4SV… >> > > > -- > - Frank > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 21, 2025

Re: Let's not be stupid.. Moving the meeting to the 28th.

by Frank Sweetser

So the 28th is a Wednesday. Did you mean to say it's going on Thursday the 29th? On Wed, May 21, 2025 at 11:16 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > John texted me this morning that there's a nor'easter on the way. > > The weather people, who are using Linux to run the large models are > predicting heavy rain and winds, localized flooding, etc. > > I care more about the members of this group than keeping to a schedule. > > I think it makes sense to move the meeting to the 28th.. > > Stay safe everybody! > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ES4SV… > -- - Frank

May 21, 2025

Let's not be stupid.. Moving the meeting to the 28th.

by Tim Keller

John texted me this morning that there's a nor'easter on the way. The weather people, who are using Linux to run the large models are predicting heavy rain and winds, localized flooding, etc. I care more about the members of this group than keeping to a schedule. I think it makes sense to move the meeting to the 28th.. Stay safe everybody! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 21, 2025

Meeting this week, May 22nd at 7pm! Topic: Mini PC!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting this week! Date: May 22nd Time: 7PM Location: Technocopia Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Mini-PC.Long time WLUG member John Stoffel has graciously agreed to show off his new, small but mighty desktop. We'll put it through its paces with a couple quick demos and tests. We'll likely get OpenWebUI running on it, as well as Cadoodle. I recently started (trying!) to use a glove80 keyboard so I'll bring that along so people can give it a try as well. As usual, we'll head off for dinner afterwards to keep the conversation going. Thanks, TIm. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 20, 2025

Re: Next month meeting date, some input needed.

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Frank" == Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > The 22nd would work for me. Sounds like the 22nd is the "good enough" date for people. Now for a topic! Can we get a talk on the web browser being developed for the new non-linux system? I totally am blanking on the name(s) right now, but we've mentioned it at the past few meetings. I'll try to bring my new tiny little desktop. The only gotcha is that it depends on my home NFS server for NFS home directories and LDAP for authentication. Which leads to another topic... keeping home directories in sync when you have laptops, home servers, remote systems, etc. How do people keep their setups consistent? I came from an era of Xterms and DEC workstations where all home and tool directories were on NFS servers, and the systems were very light on anything but enough to boot the OS. This way people could sit down at any system, login and their environment was just there. Now with everyone having laptops, I think most colleges have gone away from big computer labs any more. But keeping your files safe is tough. iCloud, OneDrive, rsync, etc have helped, but I'm not sure what the real answer is here. This could be an interesting topic! John

May 2, 2025

Re: Next month meeting date, some input needed.

by Frank Sweetser

The 22nd would work for me. On Thu, May 1, 2025 at 3:30 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Jansen" == Jansen Smith via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > I can make the 15th if you need me to run a meeting solo, otherwise we > can do the 22nd. > > > Monthly is monthly, IMHO. > > 22nd works for me. > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2025, 11:20 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > Next Month on the 2nd and 3rd Thursdays I have conflicts. > > So.. the next possible Thursday would be the 22nd.. > > Another option is that we shift the meeting to Wednesday for this > month on the 14th? I know > > that isn't an "Free Hack" day at Technocopia, but I think we can > work something out. > > > What would people like to do? > > Thanks, > > Tim. > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as > > "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/Q362J… > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FMBQX… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/GFUHV… > -- - Frank

May 1, 2025

Re: Next month meeting date, some input needed.

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Jansen" == Jansen Smith via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: I can make the 15th if you need me to run a meeting solo, otherwise we can do the 22nd. > Monthly is monthly, IMHO. > 22nd works for me. > On Wed, Apr 30, 2025, 11:20 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Next Month on the 2nd and 3rd Thursdays I have conflicts. > So.. the next possible Thursday would be the 22nd.. > Another option is that we shift the meeting to Wednesday for this month on the 14th? I know > that isn't an "Free Hack" day at Technocopia, but I think we can work something out. > What would people like to do? > Thanks, > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as > "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/Q362J… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FMBQX…

May 1, 2025

Re: Next month meeting date, some input needed.

by Jansen Smith

Monthly is monthly, IMHO. 22nd works for me. On Wed, Apr 30, 2025, 11:20 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Next Month on the 2nd and 3rd Thursdays I have conflicts. > So.. the next possible Thursday would be the 22nd.. > Another option is that we shift the meeting to Wednesday for this month on > the 14th? I know that isn't an "Free Hack" day at Technocopia, but I think > we can work something out. > > What would people like to do? > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/Q362J… >

April 30, 2025

Next month meeting date, some input needed.

by Tim Keller

Next Month on the 2nd and 3rd Thursdays I have conflicts. So.. the next possible Thursday would be the 22nd.. Another option is that we shift the meeting to Wednesday for this month on the 14th? I know that isn't an "Free Hack" day at Technocopia, but I think we can work something out. What would people like to do? Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 30, 2025

Re: IPv6, are you using it, should we be using it?

by Chuck Anderson

I mostly agree with Frank, especially for networks run by organizations whose primary business is not supplying network connectivity or public cloud computing to others. However, these days, IPv6 pretty much Just Works(tm), by default, out-of-the-box, on all general-purpose operating systems and you may not even realize you are using it. If you have Comcast Xfinity service and you are using their provided gateway router, then you are likely using IPv6. If you have Verizon Fios, same thing. If you have a cell phone, same thing. If you are using your own router and haven't configured it for IPv6, try OpenWRT with DHCPv6-PD. Go to https://whatismyip.com/ and look. On your cell phone, try with Wi-Fi turned off and then try again with it on. You can also try "ping google.com" (on Linux at least). If you are doing cloud computing, you can either pay for public IPv4 addresses, or you can get public IPv6 addresses for free. For special-purpose systems like IoT/smart home devices and such, they may still be playing catch up. Or they may not care much about implementing IPv6 because they run in a "closed" ecosystem where they control the only servers their devices talk to. But they might start caring now that cloud providers have started charging more for IPv4 addresses. But at this point it is more of a "who cares" situation for most people. The consumer shouldn't care. It makes good business sense to at least understand if you can gain a competitive advantage somehow by using IPv6, either by saving money, making a business model/product/service possible, or whatever. That's why the cell phone companies did it. On Sat, Apr 12, 2025 at 11:31:33AM -0400, Frank Sweetser via WLUG wrote: > <drags out soapbox...> > > I distinctly remember doing my first reading on IPv6 a full 30 years ago. > Since then I've seen some serious pushes to make IPv6 support ubiquitous, > including World IPv6 Day, federal government requirements for full IPv6 > support, and at least one site that offered unlimited free porn exclusively > over IPv6. Despite all of this work, the only success stories I've ever > read of around IPv6 have been carriers and hyperscalers that needed IPv6 > because their internal infrastructure grew beyond RFC1918 space, and IETF > conferences bragging how they enabled some new IPv6 feature... for the > conference. > > At the end of the day, I don't believe the economics will ever favor IPv6. > I have yet to see a widespread problem where the cost of adding more duct > tape to IPv4 is higher than the cost of switching to IPv6. With customers > not demanding IPv6 capable only systems from vendors, IPv6 support is > always going to come second to IPv4, and any other features that actually > drive revenue. > > Until someone figures out a way to make designing, building, and operating > IPv6 devices and networks cheaper than what we already have running on > IPv4, nothing much is going to change. > > Side note: if anyone wants to read some interesting opinions on IPv6 from > the technical side, IPSpace has a ton of great articles: > > https://blog.ipspace.net/tag/ipv6/ > > On Sat, Apr 12, 2025 at 11:12 AM Tracie Winslow via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > I believe IPv6 will never be universally used unless there's genuinely no > > choice for anyone. We're out of IPv4 addresses, but technologies like NAT > > are making that workable (so far). > > > > > > *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real > > life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten > > through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to > > be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This > > perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is > > the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for > > no one."*- Souza > > > > On Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 11:04 AM steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > wrote: > > > >> I’ve been adding more and more matter/thread devices to my home and since > >> I’ve seen more local ipv6 addresses I’ve tried enabling Ipv6 fully. BUT, > >> Ive had struggles adding matter devices. > >> > >> Is this just older hardware choices like we have to create a 2.4 GHz only > >> network? Is the world of devices not yet ready for IPv6? What are your > >> thoughts on it?

April 12, 2025

Re: Reboot required questions

by The Hammer

Doug, Sorry for the late reply. Been super busy. Answer to Q1: The laptop is from 2010. It's a Lenovo Think Pad T400. I use it more as a mobile machine. The little data that I want to keep is backed up. The hard drive is an old spinning platter. Answer to Q2: I had no worries of losing any data files. My only concern was that I did not know if a total shut down (as opposed to a reboot) would corrupt the OS and force me to reinstall it. Further trivia: As far as the machine is concerned, it still runs quite well. It's only quirk (that I may have mentioned some time back) is that the DVD drive pops open at random times. On 4/5/25 20:53, DougWLUG Mildram via WLUG wrote: > I sent a longer reply an hour ago, but you've been temporarily spared (got a "await Moderator" email reply due to "Message contains administrivia", cool, what software is our forum on now/again? THANKS Moderator(s)). > > 2 new semi-concise/stage1 questions for OP/Ron: > > Q1: How old is computer, do you do backups, is your HardDisk still oldschool spinning platters? > > (if you still use an old(er) HD, I'd rethink the concept of nightly shutdown. Platter shaft grease gets old/hard -> sticky/striction HD ...may decide not to spin up someday. But a tiny hammer on the HD during powerup could revive...I'll never forget the day TWO of my NetApp HD's on a raid5 (ONE dead disk allowed to rebuild itself, not raid6 which can survive 2 dead disks. My server room had been powered off all night due to a bldg planned night of shutdown! And the backup robot my CA boss sent me, was failing to do sane backups for my MAss/work servers for past weeks on that NetApp. A revisit to server room with sm hammer, a few taps, got one stuck HD to spin, NetApp rebuilt the raid5 ! ) > > Q2: if "losing my personal files" is the biggest worry (shouldn't it be?), do you have your personal data on a 2nd disk of any speed, to augment an SSD for the OS ? Secondary worries of course include nuisance of having to reload OS+me if the Update Manager makes a giant mess, which (apparently never happens) || (...not to me, ever) long as linux auto-updates have existed in/on my dwindling beasts/zoo. > > OS magic/behind-scenes: I do believe on instinct that the Update temporary files are stashed to LOCAL HD so you can even do your finish-update bootUP with No Freaking Network up. Hope my aging gut remains right on that. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TFGBH…

April 12, 2025

Re: IPv6, are you using it, should we be using it?

by Keith Wright

Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Until someone figures out a way to make designing, building, and operating IPv6 > devices and networks cheaper than what we already have running on IPv4, nothing > much is going to change. > >> On Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 11:04 AM steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >> I’ve been adding more and more matter/thread devices to my home and >> since I’ve seen more local ipv6 addresses I’ve tried enabling Ipv6 >> fully. BUT, Ive had struggles adding matter devices. >> >> Is this just older hardware choices like we have to create a 2.4 GHz >> only network? Is the world of devices not yet ready for IPv6? What are >> your thoughts on it? >> >> Steve Thibault >> I had no idea what is a matter/thread device. Google found a few explanations. Gotta say those are really stupid names and already used by philosophers and OS developers for much more important things. No matter. You remind me that I had a web page that I had forgotten about that recounts my experience with IPv6. Bottom line tldr: It works. I'm not surprised that matter/threads doesn't. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is no more reliable than magic." Fortunately, I don't care. I like switches that click and turn the power off and on when you push them. -- Keith PS: Where does the IPv5 Users Group meet?

April 12, 2025

Re: IPv6, are you using it, should we be using it?

by Frank Sweetser

<drags out soapbox...> I distinctly remember doing my first reading on IPv6 a full 30 years ago. Since then I've seen some serious pushes to make IPv6 support ubiquitous, including World IPv6 Day, federal government requirements for full IPv6 support, and at least one site that offered unlimited free porn exclusively over IPv6. Despite all of this work, the only success stories I've ever read of around IPv6 have been carriers and hyperscalers that needed IPv6 because their internal infrastructure grew beyond RFC1918 space, and IETF conferences bragging how they enabled some new IPv6 feature... for the conference. At the end of the day, I don't believe the economics will ever favor IPv6. I have yet to see a widespread problem where the cost of adding more duct tape to IPv4 is higher than the cost of switching to IPv6. With customers not demanding IPv6 capable only systems from vendors, IPv6 support is always going to come second to IPv4, and any other features that actually drive revenue. Until someone figures out a way to make designing, building, and operating IPv6 devices and networks cheaper than what we already have running on IPv4, nothing much is going to change. Side note: if anyone wants to read some interesting opinions on IPv6 from the technical side, IPSpace has a ton of great articles: https://blog.ipspace.net/tag/ipv6/ On Sat, Apr 12, 2025 at 11:12 AM Tracie Winslow via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I believe IPv6 will never be universally used unless there's genuinely no > choice for anyone. We're out of IPv4 addresses, but technologies like NAT > are making that workable (so far). > > > *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real > life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten > through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to > be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This > perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is > the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for > no one."*- Souza > > On Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 11:04 AM steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> I’ve been adding more and more matter/thread devices to my home and since >> I’ve seen more local ipv6 addresses I’ve tried enabling Ipv6 fully. BUT, >> Ive had struggles adding matter devices. >> >> Is this just older hardware choices like we have to create a 2.4 GHz only >> network? Is the world of devices not yet ready for IPv6? What are your >> thoughts on it? >> >> >> Steve Thibault >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KWDHR… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/4H2H7… > -- - Frank

April 12, 2025

Re: IPv6, are you using it, should we be using it?

by Tracie Winslow

I believe IPv6 will never be universally used unless there's genuinely no choice for anyone. We're out of IPv4 addresses, but technologies like NAT are making that workable (so far). *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for no one."*- Souza On Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 11:04 AM steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I’ve been adding more and more matter/thread devices to my home and since > I’ve seen more local ipv6 addresses I’ve tried enabling Ipv6 fully. BUT, > Ive had struggles adding matter devices. > > Is this just older hardware choices like we have to create a 2.4 GHz only > network? Is the world of devices not yet ready for IPv6? What are your > thoughts on it? > > > Steve Thibault > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KWDHR… >

April 12, 2025

IPv6, are you using it, should we be using it?

by steve＠patternsoft.net

I’ve been adding more and more matter/thread devices to my home and since I’ve seen more local ipv6 addresses I’ve tried enabling Ipv6 fully. BUT, Ive had struggles adding matter devices. Is this just older hardware choices like we have to create a 2.4 GHz only network? Is the world of devices not yet ready for IPv6? What are your thoughts on it? Steve Thibault

April 12, 2025

Re: Meeting this Thursday!! April 10th 2025!

by Tim Keller

There's no request needed. The virtual meeting is open to everybody and for Technocopia, just show up. We welcome all. Thanks, Tim. On Fri, Apr 11, 2025 at 9:05 AM steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > So I’d like to join today, but I haven’t joined you in for years, I’ve > been a silent viewer of the emails for some time. But how do I request to > join today? > > > Steve Thibault > > On Apr 8, 2025, at 8:35 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > Hey Everybody! > > We've got a meeting this week! > Time: 7pm > Date: April 10th 2025 > Location: Technocopia 44 portland st. Worcester MA > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: Oh.. so much to talk about! Kernel 6.14 and ntsync, gaming on > linux, patch frequency, X11 vs Wayland, docker desktop, k3s! > > I expect we'll diverge into half a dozen other topics as well. > Afterwards we'll head off for dinner and keep talking. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > I'd also like to start a new trend and that's to spend a few minutes at > the end of each meeting agreeing on a topic (or at least an idea) for a > topic for next month. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RC3PC… > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ARHUD… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 11, 2025

Re: Reminder!! We've got a meeting tonight!!

by Steve Thibault

Technocopia is having door troubles so they are saying to call up to have the door opened. > On Apr 10, 2025, at 4:27 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > We've got a meeting tonight!! > Time: 7pm > Date: April 10th 2025 > Location: Technocopia 44 portland st. Worcester MA > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: Oh.. so much to talk about! Kernel 6.14 and ntsync, gaming on linux, patch frequency, X11 vs Wayland, docker desktop, k3s! > > I expect we'll diverge into half a dozen other topics as well. > Afterwards we'll head off for dinner and keep talking. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/E5AD7…

April 10, 2025

Reminder!! We've got a meeting tonight!!

by Tim Keller

We've got a meeting tonight!! Time: 7pm Date: April 10th 2025 Location: Technocopia 44 portland st. Worcester MA Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Oh.. so much to talk about! Kernel 6.14 and ntsync, gaming on linux, patch frequency, X11 vs Wayland, docker desktop, k3s! I expect we'll diverge into half a dozen other topics as well. Afterwards we'll head off for dinner and keep talking. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 10, 2025

Re: Meeting this Thursday!! April 10th 2025!

by steve＠patternsoft.net

So I’d like to join today, but I haven’t joined you in for years, I’ve been a silent viewer of the emails for some time. But how do I request to join today? Steve Thibault > On Apr 8, 2025, at 8:35 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Hey Everybody! > > We've got a meeting this week! > Time: 7pm > Date: April 10th 2025 > Location: Technocopia 44 portland st. Worcester MA > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: Oh.. so much to talk about! Kernel 6.14 and ntsync, gaming on linux, patch frequency, X11 vs Wayland, docker desktop, k3s! > > I expect we'll diverge into half a dozen other topics as well. > Afterwards we'll head off for dinner and keep talking. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > I'd also like to start a new trend and that's to spend a few minutes at the end of each meeting agreeing on a topic (or at least an idea) for a topic for next month. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RC3PC…

April 10, 2025

Re: x11 on ubunt24

by Robert Krawitz

On 4/8/25 18:16, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> I'd never even heard of X2go! >> These days I'm a heavy user of NoMachine. > > x2go is the opensource fork off the last NoMachine client. I love > using it, it's quick and fast and works nicely. It just fails > miserably on Wayland right now. > > With 95% of most linux users only using desktops or laptops, and not > doing remote desktops across WAN connections, they don't realize how > poor wayland is for that type of work. I'm not even sure if Wayland > works ok for LAN based remote desktops, though mostly I think VNC > works ok for that. I'm not aware of any VNC client for KDE on Wayland, anyway (rather annoying that each compositor has to reimplement the same functionality).

April 8, 2025

Re: x11 on ubunt24

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I'd never even heard of X2go! > These days I'm a heavy user of NoMachine. x2go is the opensource fork off the last NoMachine client. I love using it, it's quick and fast and works nicely. It just fails miserably on Wayland right now. With 95% of most linux users only using desktops or laptops, and not doing remote desktops across WAN connections, they don't realize how poor wayland is for that type of work. I'm not even sure if Wayland works ok for LAN based remote desktops, though mostly I think VNC works ok for that.

April 8, 2025

Re: x11 on ubunt24

by Tim Keller

I'd never even heard of X2go! These days I'm a heavy user of NoMachine <https://nomachine.com>. Tim. On Tue, Apr 8, 2025 at 12:38 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > This might be old news, but Ubunt 24.0.X can still run X11 > > > https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/how-to-switch-from-x11-to-wayland-on-live-ub… > > > CodeLight is no longer seems to lock up and a Steam/wine game I play > > seems to start without errors. I have not spent much time testing > > this. > > I ran into this just in the past few weeks. I got a new desktop > system for home and installed Ubuntu 24.10 (?) as a test, usualy I use > linux Mint for my desktop. Anyway... x2go wouldn't work when > connecting to another system, so I googled a bit and figured out I > needed to change my desktop to use X11 instead of Wayland. > > Once I did that, it was ok. > > I can dig up details if people need them. > John > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UU5BY… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 8, 2025

Re: x11 on ubunt24

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > This might be old news, but Ubunt 24.0.X can still run X11 > https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/how-to-switch-from-x11-to-wayland-on-live-ub… > CodeLight is no longer seems to lock up and a Steam/wine game I play > seems to start without errors. I have not spent much time testing > this. I ran into this just in the past few weeks. I got a new desktop system for home and installed Ubuntu 24.10 (?) as a test, usualy I use linux Mint for my desktop. Anyway... x2go wouldn't work when connecting to another system, so I googled a bit and figured out I needed to change my desktop to use X11 instead of Wayland. Once I did that, it was ok. I can dig up details if people need them. John

April 8, 2025

Meeting this Thursday!! April 10th 2025!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting this week! Time: 7pm Date: April 10th 2025 Location: Technocopia 44 portland st. Worcester MA Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Oh.. so much to talk about! Kernel 6.14 and ntsync, gaming on linux, patch frequency, X11 vs Wayland, docker desktop, k3s! I expect we'll diverge into half a dozen other topics as well. Afterwards we'll head off for dinner and keep talking. Thanks, Tim. I'd also like to start a new trend and that's to spend a few minutes at the end of each meeting agreeing on a topic (or at least an idea) for a topic for next month. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 8, 2025

Re: x11 on ubunt24

by Tim Keller

Yeah! I'm still not convinced that wayland is better. I've got a number of apps that are just broken on wayland still. Tim. On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 9:10 PM Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > This might be old news, but Ubunt 24.0.X can still run X11 > > > https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/how-to-switch-from-x11-to-wayland-on-live-ub… > > CodeLight is no longer seems to lock up and a Steam/wine game I play > seems to start without errors. I have not spent much time testing this. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BIW7X… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 7, 2025

x11 on ubunt24

by Kevin Stratton

This might be old news, but Ubunt 24.0.X can still run X11 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/how-to-switch-from-x11-to-wayland-on-live-ub… CodeLight is no longer seems to lock up and a Steam/wine game I play seems to start without errors. I have not spent much time testing this.

April 7, 2025

Re: If flight simulators are you thing!!

by dmildram＠gmail.com

Clueless about flight simulators! Can't even (barely) find and work controls on .....wow, google-earth-pro (free) with an obscure flight simulator you can get+run on linux! Did anyone try and/or get much control of airplane on....(i posted this a year ago, mar2024) Stumbled into install cmds for google EARTH PRO (free), worked on Linux Mint20. 1) wget https://dl.google.com/dl/earth/client/current/google-earth-pro-stable_curre… (result: GOT a 58mb file named google-earth-pro-stable_current_amd64.deb) 2) sudo dpkg -i google-earth-pro-stable_current_amd64.deb (output: Preparing to unpack google-earth-pro-stable_current_amd64.deb ... Unpacking google-earth-pro-stable (7.3.6.9796-r0) ... Setting up google-earth-pro-stable (7.3.6.9796-r0) ... Processing triggers for man-db (2.9.1-1) ... Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils (0.24+linuxmint1) ... Processing triggers for mime-support (3.64ubuntu1) ... (DONE). LAUNCH TO OUTER SPACE: 3) $ google-earth-pro If you see a few continents from space, good but here's the fun: ========First zoom to somewhere you know, use upper LH Search, enter your address or fun place. Adjust eyes, or ignore briefly, fuzzy view of map,streets,trees,whatever. The fuzziness disappears or changes, if you enter Flight Simulator from here. ==== PULL DOWN MENU for "Tools" has "Enter Flight Simulator". Choose the slower plane, not the F-16 jet if you suck like I do. The mouse now flies the plane. I want to skim over my hood. I use my four arrow keys , mouse-moves work too but I flip out. I know I'm missing some kind of flight/plane control, should RTFM if there is one. I thought Flaps controlled pitch/up/down, but my Flaps stay at 40% and I crash in hilarious various mistakes every minute or so. What fun! Resume Flight brings all control back so off you go to die again....

April 6, 2025

Re: Reboot required questions

by dmildram＠gmail.com

I sent a longer reply an hour ago, but you've been temporarily spared (got a "await Moderator" email reply due to "Message contains administrivia", cool, what software is our forum on now/again? THANKS Moderator(s)). 2 new semi-concise/stage1 questions for OP/Ron: Q1: How old is computer, do you do backups, is your HardDisk still oldschool spinning platters? (if you still use an old(er) HD, I'd rethink the concept of nightly shutdown. Platter shaft grease gets old/hard -> sticky/striction HD ...may decide not to spin up someday. But a tiny hammer on the HD during powerup could revive...I'll never forget the day TWO of my NetApp HD's on a raid5 (ONE dead disk allowed to rebuild itself, not raid6 which can survive 2 dead disks. My server room had been powered off all night due to a bldg planned night of shutdown! And the backup robot my CA boss sent me, was failing to do sane backups for my MAss/work servers for past weeks on that NetApp. A revisit to server room with sm hammer, a few taps, got one stuck HD to spin, NetApp rebuilt the raid5 ! ) Q2: if "losing my personal files" is the biggest worry (shouldn't it be?), do you have your personal data on a 2nd disk of any speed, to augment an SSD for the OS ? Secondary worries of course include nuisance of having to reload OS+me if the Update Manager makes a giant mess, which (apparently never happens) || (...not to me, ever) long as linux auto-updates have existed in/on my dwindling beasts/zoo. OS magic/behind-scenes: I do believe on instinct that the Update temporary files are stashed to LOCAL HD so you can even do your finish-update bootUP with No Freaking Network up. Hope my aging gut remains right on that.

April 6, 2025

Re: Reboot required questions

by Doug Mildram

doug> I was gonna reply, but my desktop Linux rebooted - oops my bad..Drafts to the rescue. Guess why my desktop rebooted? I was messing around trying to peek at Quit options ........musta highlighted Shut Down. I caused my own black screen of reboot/death! Ha. But I had Mint/etc updates waiting. I ALWAYS have them waiting. (except just now/rebooted). Gory detail/thoughts on your Q?: I can't think of a reason to fea of your current favored Choice2 below: Choice1: "reboot required" --> shut down now. Fire up tomorrow. OS patches ...mmm, nothing eye catching in the list that pops up on GUI/Mint/MATE on behalf of UpdateManager (not SoftwareManager), the bugger that pesters me, adds popups 1x/day or such... ,,,As you sneak-away/ponder "ready to reboot/shutdown?" you wonder when you feel like peeking at the update list. Choice2, (via any method ...click,allow,bless your imminent death, via anything like GUI choice Quit->Shut Down which probably invokes something like "shutdown --?" couple flags like *-h* The same as *--poweroff*, but does not override the action to take if it is "halt". E.g. *shutdown --reboot -h *means "poweroff", but *shutdown --halt -h *means "halt". Oh, gory! Anyways, the answer seems (always?) dependent on time/patience. Pardon the tangent now, if you're here, I'm amazed: "poweroff" however that really works with "shutdown" or other trick, might vary....... motherboard/etc might get a signal and take a real nap.. If you have hard disks, not SD, beware a days-long sleep ...sticky platter shaft/bearing... (choice3) If I was feeing Totally Watchful, I'd reboot, watch...Log In, ...then Quit. Inevitably=-> "Log In", and boring.....see what Update Manager sees in its playpen. Debates,topics, questions could easily continue if interesting! ---the bottom line might be what's the processes(session, service?) of greatest interest for you on your (desktop)? I leave/let a 2010 Dell Opti w Mint 20.1 sleep on its own, SanDisk HD/root good since 2018/2019?. 500gb/disk1 (disk2 for "your data" helps for long life). CPU Fans still orig and quiet, a miracle! --doug On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 4:37 PM The Hammer via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I usually run any updates on my Linux machine after I'm done using the > machine for the day. > > Sometimes the update the system says "reboot required" At that point I > close the active window. Hit restart, let the machine start up, reboot, > and then I sign in again before shutting down for the night. > > My question is: can I instead just shut down and wait until the next day > to start up the computer? > > (I've read on line that I need a "proper" shut down. With all the text > flashing at hyper speed I wonder if I do shut down or even start up > properly) > > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3GBTB… >

April 5, 2025

Re: Reboot required questions

by Robert Krawitz

On 4/5/25 16:36, The Hammer via WLUG wrote: > I usually run any updates on my Linux machine after I'm done using the machine for the day. > > Sometimes the update the system says "reboot required" At that point I close the active window. Hit > restart, let the machine start up, reboot, and then I sign in again before shutting down for the night. > > My question is: can I instead just shut down and wait until the next day to start up the computer? Yes, that has the same effect. The only caveat is if there's a problem with the update you won't spot it until the next day. > (I've read on line that I need a "proper" shut down. With all the text flashing at hyper speed I > wonder if I do shut down or even start up properly) If you're using the shutdown in GNOME/KDE/whatever, that's a "proper" shutdown.

April 5, 2025

Reboot required questions

by The Hammer

I usually run any updates on my Linux machine after I'm done using the machine for the day. Sometimes the update the system says "reboot required" At that point I close the active window. Hit restart, let the machine start up, reboot, and then I sign in again before shutting down for the night. My question is: can I instead just shut down and wait until the next day to start up the computer? (I've read on line that I need a "proper" shut down. With all the text flashing at hyper speed I wonder if I do shut down or even start up properly) Ron

April 5, 2025

pinning Icons in Gnome

by Kevin Stratton

I am using Ubuntu 24.0.X, which uses Gnome by default. Whenever I pin a .desktop icon to the dashboard, it is no longer visible when I browse through the apps. Is there a way to have an icon "pinned" to the dashboard and be visible in "show apps"? (the bottom left icon with three dots and three arcs in a circle that shows the available apps) My workaround for this is to copy the .desktop file to the desktop folder for items that I want conveniently available. Obviously, this is not the ideal.

April 3, 2025

Re: SanDisk Clip Sport Question

by William Grenache

I had one a while while back and I kept an old Dell laptop (Windows USB1?) just for charging - sadly one of the kids thought it was waterproof so I no longer have it. Hope that helps. Bill On Saturday, March 29, 2025 at 10:27:12 PM EDT, joel d via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: Circuit sounds very wonky. Hard power reset may get it back fully. They say 20 plus seconds of power button hold. Then release power button. Then hopefully power on normal. On March 29, 2025 9:16:46 PM The Hammer via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: Eric I did not see this until now. Somehow it was in my spam folder. Right now it ONLY plays when charging. Since I want this to listen in my car I bet I have a cigarette to USB adapter somewhere. This should work. Cool. On 3/29/25 10:56, Eric Martin wrote: Can it charge and play at the same time? If so a battery bank might be a hacky solution. If you’re looking to fix it; I’d recommend ifixit.com. Those are my two “easy” fix solutions. Cheers, Eric On Mar 29, 2025, at 10:44, The Hammer via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: Would anyone be knowledgeable? I have an old 8 GB SanDisk Clip Sport that I am trying to resurrect if it can be done easily. Yesterday I left it connected to my Linux Computer USB for two hours. The screen read "Low Battery" This morning, I plugged it into a house charger and left it charging for nearly three hours. The same "Low Battery' Screen appeared. If I hit the power button the MUSIC screen appears. I had music on there from tinkering years back. The unit seems to operate fine (I plugging in earplugs and listened to music) while charging, but as soon as I disconnect the charge wire no matter what the screen view, it all goes dark. On line searches have not been helpful. Any thoughts? ...fyi leaving it even longer on the charger just in case Ron _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org… _______________________________________________WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.orgTo unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.orgCreate Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BSEPB… _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WS5RT…

March 30, 2025

Re: SanDisk Clip Sport Question

by joel d

Circuit sounds very wonky. Hard power reset may get it back fully. They say 20 plus seconds of power button hold. Then release power button. Then hopefully power on normal. On March 29, 2025 9:16:46 PM The Hammer via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Eric I did not see this until now. Somehow it was in my spam folder. > Right now it ONLY plays when charging. Since I want this to listen in my > car I bet I have a cigarette to USB adapter somewhere. This should work. Cool. > On 3/29/25 10:56, Eric Martin wrote: >> Can it charge and play at the same time? If so a battery bank might be a >> hacky solution. If you’re looking to fix it; I’d recommend ifixit.com. >> Those are my two “easy” fix solutions. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Eric >> >>> On Mar 29, 2025, at 10:44, The Hammer via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> Would anyone be knowledgeable? >>> >>> I have an old 8 GB SanDisk Clip Sport that I am trying to resurrect if it >>> can be done easily. >>> >>> >>> Yesterday I left it connected to my Linux Computer USB for two hours. The >>> screen read "Low Battery" >>> >>> >>> This morning, I plugged it into a house charger and left it charging for >>> nearly three hours. The same "Low Battery' Screen appeared. If I hit the >>> power button the MUSIC screen appears. I had music on there from tinkering >>> years back. The unit seems to operate fine (I plugging in earplugs and >>> listened to music) while charging, but as soon as I disconnect the charge >>> wire no matter what the screen view, it all goes dark. >>> >>> On line searches have not been helpful. >>> >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> >>> ...fyi leaving it even longer on the charger just in case >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RPJAB… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BSEPB…

March 30, 2025

Re: SanDisk Clip Sport Question

by The Hammer

Eric I did not see this until now. Somehow it was in my spam folder. Right now it ONLY plays when charging. Since I want this to listen in my car I bet I have a cigarette to USB adapter somewhere. This should work. Cool. On 3/29/25 10:56, Eric Martin wrote: > Can it charge and play at the same time? If so a battery bank might be > a hacky solution. If you’re looking to fix it; I’d recommend > ifixit.com. Those are my two “easy” fix solutions. > > Cheers, > Eric > >> On Mar 29, 2025, at 10:44, The Hammer via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >> >> Would anyone be knowledgeable? >> >> I have an old 8 GB SanDisk Clip Sport that I am trying to resurrect >> if it can be done easily. >> >> Yesterday I left it connected to my Linux Computer USB for two >> hours. The screen read "Low Battery" >> >> This morning, I plugged it into a house charger and left it charging >> for nearly three hours. The same "Low Battery' Screen appeared. If I >> hit the power button the MUSIC screen appears. I had music on there >> from tinkering years back. The unit seems to operate fine (I >> plugging in earplugs and listened to music) while charging, but as >> soon as I disconnect the charge wire no matter what the screen view, >> it all goes dark. >> >> On line searches have not been helpful. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> ...fyi leaving it even longer on the charger just in case >> >> Ron >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RPJAB…

March 30, 2025

Re: SanDisk Clip Sport Question

by Kevin Stratton

The following is based some very old memories of reading some articles about the charging profiles of lithium ion batteries. I expect that there are inaccuracies in my memory. Assuming that this has a lithium ion battery and this was the result of over discharging the battery, it is possible that the battery voltage is below the minimum voltage for the charging circuitry inside theSan Disk Clip. This behavior is an intentional behavior of chargers for safety reasons. If you insist on taking the risk of bypassing this safety feature, it is your risk. The unit has to be under charge for a l-o-n-g time, relying on internal leakage current to s-l-o-w-l-y charge the battery to above the minimum voltage to actually charge the battery. Several hours may not enough time to do this. I would consider "charging" this unit for several days to be sure that the unit will not take a charge. On 3/29/25 10:44 AM, The Hammer via WLUG wrote: > 8 GB SanDisk Clip Sport

March 29, 2025

Re: SanDisk Clip Sport Question

by The Hammer

After running several different charging options, it seem like it's the battery. It may go back in that drawer again for now, but thank you for the help! On 3/29/25 13:17, The Hammer via WLUG wrote: > Joel/Robert/All: > > Thank you for the speedy replies. I am guessing that the unit is > about 12 years old. I forget when I purchased it but only powered it > up once or twice when I got it and it's been since sitting silently in > a drawer. I am trying a different charger (just now) and will let > that sit for a couple hours in case the charger was the issue. I > looked on line regarding the battery replacement and it does not sound > like it would be worth the effort and cost. > > Hopefully I the alternate charger fixes the issue. If it's the > battery, I will likely move on. > > My intent is to use it to listen to podcasts in my car. I was > previously using a 2nd generation ipod nano, but my one Windows PC > that had itunes developed issues and I no longer have it. I have yet > to get the ipod to work on Linux, though I have not yet tried Rockbox > > On 3/29/25 13:02, Robert Krawitz via WLUG wrote: >> On 3/29/25 10:44, The Hammer via WLUG wrote: >>> Would anyone be knowledgeable? >>> >>> I have an old 8 GB SanDisk Clip Sport that I am trying to resurrect >>> if it can be done easily. >>> >>> Yesterday I left it connected to my Linux Computer USB for two >>> hours. The screen read "Low Battery" >>> >>> This morning, I plugged it into a house charger and left it charging >>> for nearly three hours. The >>> same "Low Battery' Screen appeared. If I hit the power button the >>> MUSIC screen appears. I had >>> music on there from tinkering years back. The unit seems to operate >>> fine (I plugging in earplugs >>> and listened to music) while charging, but as soon as I disconnect >>> the charge wire no matter what >>> the screen view, it all goes dark. >> You didn't say how old it is, but batteries do lose capacity over >> time and that battery might be >> shot by now. The fact that it runs on charge but powers off >> immediately upon disconnect suggests >> that the battery is the culprit. >> >> It's possible that it's the battery connector. If the battery is not >> replaceable that's less likely >> (the battery might be soldered or even spot welded), but not >> impossible. You could try >> disassembling it to see whether it's replaceable. >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RGJYF… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/H6I3O…

March 29, 2025

Re: SanDisk Clip Sport Question

by The Hammer

Joel/Robert/All: Thank you for the speedy replies. I am guessing that the unit is about 12 years old. I forget when I purchased it but only powered it up once or twice when I got it and it's been since sitting silently in a drawer. I am trying a different charger (just now) and will let that sit for a couple hours in case the charger was the issue. I looked on line regarding the battery replacement and it does not sound like it would be worth the effort and cost. Hopefully I the alternate charger fixes the issue. If it's the battery, I will likely move on. My intent is to use it to listen to podcasts in my car. I was previously using a 2nd generation ipod nano, but my one Windows PC that had itunes developed issues and I no longer have it. I have yet to get the ipod to work on Linux, though I have not yet tried Rockbox On 3/29/25 13:02, Robert Krawitz via WLUG wrote: > On 3/29/25 10:44, The Hammer via WLUG wrote: >> Would anyone be knowledgeable? >> >> I have an old 8 GB SanDisk Clip Sport that I am trying to resurrect if it can be done easily. >> >> Yesterday I left it connected to my Linux Computer USB for two hours. The screen read "Low Battery" >> >> This morning, I plugged it into a house charger and left it charging for nearly three hours. The >> same "Low Battery' Screen appeared. If I hit the power button the MUSIC screen appears. I had >> music on there from tinkering years back. The unit seems to operate fine (I plugging in earplugs >> and listened to music) while charging, but as soon as I disconnect the charge wire no matter what >> the screen view, it all goes dark. > You didn't say how old it is, but batteries do lose capacity over time and that battery might be > shot by now. The fact that it runs on charge but powers off immediately upon disconnect suggests > that the battery is the culprit. > > It's possible that it's the battery connector. If the battery is not replaceable that's less likely > (the battery might be soldered or even spot welded), but not impossible. You could try > disassembling it to see whether it's replaceable. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RGJYF…

March 29, 2025

Re: SanDisk Clip Sport Question

by Robert Krawitz

On 3/29/25 10:44, The Hammer via WLUG wrote: > Would anyone be knowledgeable? > > I have an old 8 GB SanDisk Clip Sport that I am trying to resurrect if it can be done easily. > > Yesterday I left it connected to my Linux Computer USB for two hours. The screen read "Low Battery" > > This morning, I plugged it into a house charger and left it charging for nearly three hours. The > same "Low Battery' Screen appeared. If I hit the power button the MUSIC screen appears. I had > music on there from tinkering years back. The unit seems to operate fine (I plugging in earplugs > and listened to music) while charging, but as soon as I disconnect the charge wire no matter what > the screen view, it all goes dark. You didn't say how old it is, but batteries do lose capacity over time and that battery might be shot by now. The fact that it runs on charge but powers off immediately upon disconnect suggests that the battery is the culprit. It's possible that it's the battery connector. If the battery is not replaceable that's less likely (the battery might be soldered or even spot welded), but not impossible. You could try disassembling it to see whether it's replaceable.

March 29, 2025

Re: SanDisk Clip Sport Question

by joel d

My son has used and abused one of those for around 10 years. Was a cheap way for 2rd grader to listen to music on school bus. His still works and charges every few years when he takes it out. Admittedly its use was daily until momentus day at 13 he became a teenage android cell user. Enough of my teary eyed reminicing... Back to your concern. The tiny battery on it and its battery charging circuit is internal. If it was mine I would try the following: 1) try the reset device, details belowm 2) try many USP outputs: wall charging blocks, laptop port, desktop port . 3) try many usb charging cords that fit its input port. 4) do you need this specific device (music on it, etc)? If yes consider troubleshooting internals to device. One ebay vendor sells internal batteries If no, consider another music solution The sanfisk forum page below explains how to reset device as well. Hold power button down for 15+ seconds resets. Release button. Then short press to try to turn on. https://forums.sandisk.com/t/my-sandisk-clip-sport-is-not-turning-on/68240 Hope it helps, Joel On March 29, 2025 10:44:56 AM The Hammer via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Would anyone be knowledgeable? > > I have an old 8 GB SanDisk Clip Sport that I am trying to resurrect if it > can be done easily. > > > Yesterday I left it connected to my Linux Computer USB for two hours. The > screen read "Low Battery" > > > This morning, I plugged it into a house charger and left it charging for > nearly three hours. The same "Low Battery' Screen appeared. If I hit the > power button the MUSIC screen appears. I had music on there from tinkering > years back. The unit seems to operate fine (I plugging in earplugs and > listened to music) while charging, but as soon as I disconnect the charge > wire no matter what the screen view, it all goes dark. > > On line searches have not been helpful. > > > Any thoughts? > > > ...fyi leaving it even longer on the charger just in case > > Ron > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RPJAB…

March 29, 2025

Re: SanDisk Clip Sport Question

by Eric Martin

Can it charge and play at the same time? If so a battery bank might be a hacky solution. If you’re looking to fix it; I’d recommend ifixit.com. Those are my two “easy” fix solutions. Cheers, Eric > On Mar 29, 2025, at 10:44, The Hammer via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > Would anyone be knowledgeable? > > I have an old 8 GB SanDisk Clip Sport that I am trying to resurrect if it can be done easily. > > Yesterday I left it connected to my Linux Computer USB for two hours. The screen read "Low Battery" > > This morning, I plugged it into a house charger and left it charging for nearly three hours. The same "Low Battery' Screen appeared. If I hit the power button the MUSIC screen appears. I had music on there from tinkering years back. The unit seems to operate fine (I plugging in earplugs and listened to music) while charging, but as soon as I disconnect the charge wire no matter what the screen view, it all goes dark. > > On line searches have not been helpful. > > Any thoughts? > > ...fyi leaving it even longer on the charger just in case > > Ron > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RPJAB…

March 29, 2025

SanDisk Clip Sport Question

by The Hammer

Would anyone be knowledgeable? I have an old 8 GB SanDisk Clip Sport that I am trying to resurrect if it can be done easily. Yesterday I left it connected to my Linux Computer USB for two hours. The screen read "Low Battery" This morning, I plugged it into a house charger and left it charging for nearly three hours. The same "Low Battery' Screen appeared. If I hit the power button the MUSIC screen appears. I had music on there from tinkering years back. The unit seems to operate fine (I plugging in earplugs and listened to music) while charging, but as soon as I disconnect the charge wire no matter what the screen view, it all goes dark. On line searches have not been helpful. Any thoughts? ...fyi leaving it even longer on the charger just in case Ron

March 29, 2025

Re: Reminder! Meeting this week March 13th! Topic: MinIO / restic

by John Stoffel

I'll be there tonight! I've got some thoughts on TrueNAS since I'm running the older Core version at $WORK with an active/passive setup. It's... ok, no netapp. But you get what you pay for.

March 13, 2025

Reminder! Meeting this week March 13th! Topic: MinIO / restic

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting this Thursday! Time: 7pm Date: March 14th, 2025 Physical Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland Ave Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA I was thinking of doing a quick talk about my experiences with MinIO. It's S3 storage on prem that works really great! In addition to that I've been experimenting with restic. Restic is a backup system that can make use of S3/MinIO storage to create efficient backups. Remember, there are two types of people in the world.. Those who have backups and those who *wish they had!* To dovetail with this is another topic that people might find interesting, that is TrueNAS Scale. I've been using it in production and for personal fun as well. Its App stack is pretty slick for people who want to start self hosting. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 12, 2025

Reminder we've got a meeting tonight! Topic: JetKVM!

by Tim Keller

We've got a meeting Tonight!! Time: 7PM Date: 2/13/2025 Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: JetKVM Long time WLUG Member John Stoffel is going to be demoing his JetKVM ( https://jetkvm.com/) It's a next generation KVM over IP that started as a kickstarter and is now a "real product". Fully hackable, this FOSS KVM has a bunch of neat features. As usual expect a lively conversation, a cool demo and our usual shenanigans. Afterwards we'll likely head off for dinner and keep the conversation going! I hope to see you all there! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 13, 2025

Re: WLUG Meeting This Thursday (2/13/2025) @7PM Topic: JetKVM

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > We've got a meeting this Thursday! > Time: 7PM > Date: 2/13/2025 > Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA. > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Is it possible to open the jit.si "meeting room" before you get to Technocopia? Sometimes when I log on at 7pm, there is a meeting in progress, but sometimes the Technocopia gang is not set up yet or is having technical problems. In the later case sometimes there is someone else in the jit.si room, but sometimes it just says "wait for moderator". I don't know what makes the difference. I have had some good conversations with Jstone and Brandom while waiting for the meeting to start. That's better than sitting here for half the day, clicking "join meeting" and reading "wait". > P.S. It looks as though there is some snow predicted for earlier in the day. If the weather > prediction changes and it looks like things are going to be dangerous, I'll let everybody > know as soon as possible. ... even more reason to open the jit.si room early. -- Keith

Feb. 12, 2025

Re: WLUG Meeting This Thursday (2/13/2025) @7PM Topic: JetKVM

by John Stoffel

I've got an OrangePi3 LTS SBC to demo the JetKVM on at the meeting. Hopefully we can share the screen and you can read it. JetKVM really is fun and useful. John

Feb. 11, 2025

WLUG Meeting This Thursday (2/13/2025) @7PM Topic: JetKVM

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting this Thursday! Time: 7PM Date: 2/13/2025 Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: JetKVM Long time WLUG Member John Stoffel is going to be demoing his JetKVM ( https://jetkvm.com/) It's a next generation KVM over IP that started as a kickstarter and is now a "real product". Fully hackable, this FOSS KVM has a bunch of neat features. As usual expect a lively conversation, a cool demo and our usual shenanigans. Afterwards we'll likely head off for dinner and keep the conversation going! I hope to see you all there! Later, Tim. P.S. It looks as though there is some snow predicted for earlier in the day. If the weather prediction changes and it looks like things are going to be dangerous, I'll let everybody know as soon as possible. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 11, 2025

If flight simulators are you thing!!

by Patrick McEvilly

https://flightsimexpo.com

Jan. 24, 2025

Re: Self hosted equivalent to wayback machine

by Tim Keller

I suspect we might need to do that to a bunch of .gov sites as well.. I could see the NIH and other sites stripped of actual useful information and replaced with bullshit. On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 1:14 PM Tracie Winslow via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I'm not familiar with any self-hosted systems, but archive.today and > ghostarchive.org are a couple of Wayback Machine alternatives (although > far less comprehensive than WM). > > -- > > *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real > life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten > through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to > be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This > perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is > the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for > no one."*- Souza > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 12:18 PM Frank Sweetser via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> So apparently, for some unknown and completely unforeseeable reason, a >> few notable websites have gone dark, like reproductiverights.org, lots >> of DEI related content, and <checks notes...> the official page on the US >> constitution. For now much of this content can still be found at the >> Wayback Machine, but it's not hard to foresee the same forces that took >> down the original content going after them as well. >> >> As an alternative, is anyone familiar with completely self-hosted systems >> with equivalent functionality to the Wayback Machine? >> >> -- >> - Frank >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6ZPUQ… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3B7VT… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 24, 2025

Re: Self hosted equivalent to wayback machine

by Tracie Winslow

I'm not familiar with any self-hosted systems, but archive.today and ghostarchive.org are a couple of Wayback Machine alternatives (although far less comprehensive than WM). -- *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for no one."*- Souza On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 12:18 PM Frank Sweetser via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > So apparently, for some unknown and completely unforeseeable reason, a few > notable websites have gone dark, like reproductiverights.org, lots of DEI > related content, and <checks notes...> the official page on the US > constitution. For now much of this content can still be found at the > Wayback Machine, but it's not hard to foresee the same forces that took > down the original content going after them as well. > > As an alternative, is anyone familiar with completely self-hosted systems > with equivalent functionality to the Wayback Machine? > > -- > - Frank > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6ZPUQ… >

Jan. 24, 2025

Self hosted equivalent to wayback machine

by Frank Sweetser

So apparently, for some unknown and completely unforeseeable reason, a few notable websites have gone dark, like reproductiverights.org, lots of DEI related content, and <checks notes...> the official page on the US constitution. For now much of this content can still be found at the Wayback Machine, but it's not hard to foresee the same forces that took down the original content going after them as well. As an alternative, is anyone familiar with completely self-hosted systems with equivalent functionality to the Wayback Machine? -- - Frank

Jan. 24, 2025

Re: WLUG Meeting tonight?

by Robert Krawitz

On 1/18/25 13:38, Dennis Payne via WLUG wrote: > My Framework 16 has been great. I have not upgraded anything. Games I couldn't run before can be run > perfectly fine. I did recently try "Return to Moria" and it did not run well. It is PS5 game not > available for the PS4 so I suspect it just requires more power than the Framework 16 graphics can > give. I'm not running machine learning code so that hasn't been an issue for me. My only two problems (personally) with it are: 1) Storage is limited (I want at leat 16 TB for all of my media -- photos and videos). A pair of 8 TB M.2's would be great, but those aren't available in 2230 form factor. 2) I'd prefer a 4K screen, even at a lower refresh rate. I'm not into gaming. Otherwise, it looks like a fantastic machine. I'd prefer to trade off size and weight in favor of capability, but I'm probably an outlier.

Jan. 18, 2025

Re: WLUG Meeting tonight?

by Dennis Payne

My Framework 16 has been great. I have not upgraded anything. Games I couldn't run before can be run perfectly fine. I did recently try "Return to Moria" and it did not run well. It is PS5 game not available for the PS4 so I suspect it just requires more power than the Framework 16 graphics can give. I'm not running machine learning code so that hasn't been an issue for me. On Sat, 2025-01-18 at 05:16 +0000, Evan White via WLUG wrote: > > Keith, I have a Framework 16 and it does have good upgradability > features. I have not upgraded anything with OEM parts yet, but I was > able to re-use a mPCIe wireless adapter from an older laptop that is > nicer with the kernel, as well as the storage from my old laptop. I > saved money when buying the user-assembled Framework 16 kit as I > didn't need to include storage or RAM. I used the NVMe storage from > my older laptop and bought some aftermarket RAM that was cheaper than > anything Framework was offering with the kit. Probably the first OEM > Framework part I will get in the future will be a graphics card, but > their only graphics offering currently has too little video RAM for > running machine learning code. > > > > From: Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2025 3:27 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Cc: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>; Keith Wright > <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> > Subject: [WLUG] WLUG Meeting tonight? > > > I am used to getting an email from Tim Keller when there is > a WLUG meeting. I am also used to it being on the second > Thursday of the month. One of those didn't happen. > > Two meetings ago I tried to do a presentation of LaTeX, > but share-screen did not work like it did three meetings ago. > > One meeting ago, share screen worked, but everyone was > talking about something else, and I wasn't really ready anyway. > > I could try again, though I am not really ready today either. > ---- > > Also > > > Hey Everybody, > > > > This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow at WPI! > > Time: 7pm > > Location: WPI Student Center Room 128 (Taylor Room) Down below the > stairs. > > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > Topic: frame.work laptop demo, passbolt demo > > > > Cara Salter has agreed to come and show off her frame.work laptop. > This > > laptop is designed with upgrade ability in mind. Components such as > the > > motherboard can be easily swapped for more powerful versions, etc. > > If Cara (or anyone with a frame.work) is still around, I would be > interested in an update on this. Does it still work, or did it > blow blue smoke? Did you actually upgrade anything? > Would you recomend it? > ---- > > Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > I noticed in "dnf update" on Fedora 41: > > > > Installing: > > kernel x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates > 0.0 B > > kernel-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 73.6 > MiB > > kernel-modules x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 62.5 > MiB > > kernel-modules-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 37.1 > MiB > > kernel-modules-extra x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 2.7 > MiB > > OK. Google finds a page that says dnf is Fedora's replacement > for yum, which is apt or rpm re-done. Just another package manager. > > You installed a kernel; what did you notice that was interesting? > > -- Keith > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WMLWN… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3GQQL…

Jan. 18, 2025

Re: WLUG Meeting tonight?

by Evan White

Keith, I have a Framework 16 and it does have good upgradability features. I have not upgraded anything with OEM parts yet, but I was able to re-use a mPCIe wireless adapter from an older laptop that is nicer with the kernel, as well as the storage from my old laptop. I saved money when buying the user-assembled Framework 16 kit as I didn't need to include storage or RAM. I used the NVMe storage from my older laptop and bought some aftermarket RAM that was cheaper than anything Framework was offering with the kit. Probably the first OEM Framework part I will get in the future will be a graphics card, but their only graphics offering currently has too little video RAM for running machine learning code. ________________________________ From: Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2025 3:27 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>; Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> Subject: [WLUG] WLUG Meeting tonight? I am used to getting an email from Tim Keller when there is a WLUG meeting. I am also used to it being on the second Thursday of the month. One of those didn't happen. Two meetings ago I tried to do a presentation of LaTeX, but share-screen did not work like it did three meetings ago. One meeting ago, share screen worked, but everyone was talking about something else, and I wasn't really ready anyway. I could try again, though I am not really ready today either. ---- Also > Hey Everybody, > > This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow at WPI! > Time: 7pm > Location: WPI Student Center Room 128 (Taylor Room) Down below the stairs. > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: frame.work laptop demo, passbolt demo > > Cara Salter has agreed to come and show off her frame.work laptop. This > laptop is designed with upgrade ability in mind. Components such as the > motherboard can be easily swapped for more powerful versions, etc. If Cara (or anyone with a frame.work) is still around, I would be interested in an update on this. Does it still work, or did it blow blue smoke? Did you actually upgrade anything? Would you recomend it? ---- Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I noticed in "dnf update" on Fedora 41: > > Installing: > kernel x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 0.0 B > kernel-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 73.6 MiB > kernel-modules x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 62.5 MiB > kernel-modules-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 37.1 MiB > kernel-modules-extra x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 2.7 MiB OK. Google finds a page that says dnf is Fedora's replacement for yum, which is apt or rpm re-done. Just another package manager. You installed a kernel; what did you notice that was interesting? -- Keith _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WMLWN…

Jan. 18, 2025

Sorry about the audio issue last night!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, For those of you who were on the jitsi meeting, I'm sorry we had audio issues last night. I did some testing this morning and my jabra puck is broken. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 17, 2025

Stuck in traffic

by Tim Keller

According to Google Maps it says I'm going to get there for 7:15 but we are definitely having a meeting tonight I'm just trapped in traffic! Tim.

Jan. 16, 2025