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Re: recommended printer/3-in-1 laser B+W for general (Linux and Windows clients)

by Tim Keller

It's not that big of a deal as there is a touch screen on the front that'll tell me what the ink levels are. On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:45 PM Andrew Oprea via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > From Linux I can't see the ink levels, that's my only annoyance. > I'm under the impression that "Ink Levels" in that printer and my Envy > 4500 is really "page count" > I don't think there is any type of sensor, but I'll keep an eye out > for interesting behavior as I'm all set to refill my own cartridges > now... > > -drew > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 10:30 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > > Doug, > > > > Granted, not an laserjet printer, but for what it's worth I've got the > $179 HP Envy 7155 All-in-one inkjet printer. > > > > Networking is wireless only. Both printing and scanning just work on > Ubuntu. > > From Linux I can't see the ink levels, that's my only annoyance. > > We buy the XL print cartridges which seem to last a long time.. > > > > Thanks, > > Tim. > > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 7:20 PM Doug Mildram via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> > >> Thanks! Gotta buy something uncursed, and > >> the curse may vary per user so I feel positive on my hopes when I > choose/toss-dart/intuit the right new....still sleeping on it..... hp or ? > lightweight ( sits near my knees, barely fits ). > >> > >> > >> But how do we know the Linux driver? printers.conf and output of lpinfo > -v > >> seem cryptic if they do show a driver (.ppd?) > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 4:33 PM Chuck Anderson <cra(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > >>> > >>> I've never had any problems printing from Linux to HP printers > connected via IP over Ethernet or via USB. I've also had good luck with HP > and Fujitsu Snascan scanners via USB, but not over the network. Scanning > over the network is something I haven't figured out since I scan so > infrequently and I just go plug the laptop into the scanner via USB. > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 01:06:04PM -0400, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: > >>> > Hi! Hope this doesnt start a HUGE preference debate, but I'm taking > feedback > >>> > on what some of you already know to be a "solid" not too big laser > >>> > black+white, > >>> > flatbed/top scanner+copier (no top sheet feeder please, adds too much > >>> > space/width) > >>> > BUT THE PAIN is always in the PRINTER drivers/software, win or > linux, in my > >>> > experience. > >>> > > >>> > Honestly, been battling w/PDF's too long, to an old-ish Brother > HL-L2395DW > >>> > 3-in-1 > >>> > --I'm working mostly on Linux Mint 19 (a deviant ubuntu I highly > recommend > >>> > for ex-win users) > >>> > --Printing most things OK. IIRC, didnt have to find Linux drivers > the hard > >>> > way. > >>> > --Printing PDF's gets iffy. LibreOffice sometimes cures my blues; > >>> > DocumentViewer is probably the worst, "evince" also iffy, etc. > >>> > Sometimes "Data received"....ends with a silent chirp, > >>> > sometimes printer panel indicates a quick reject (nothing printed) > saying > >>> > "Out of Memory", > >>> > BUT REALLY it's not the job == big, I think it > >>> > must be a nasty runaway/leaky PDF->driver thing, but if I > >>> > -- copy/email/send the nasty job to a win7 laptop and use AcroRead, > USUALLY > >>> > gets it done. > >>> > > >>> > Until today when ALL seemed to fail, I'm ready to cough up a few > $hundred > >>> > for a better beast, > >>> > with wired ethernet+USB though I suppose it's pointless to avoid > wireLESS > >>> > interface as long as it does wired ethernet. Oh look! Today's > impossible > >>> > job just came out, from where! Losing my mind. > >>> > > >>> > Budget: since not color, I could go over $300 or so, where most of > the > >>> > decent ones sit. > >>> > Been an HP fan for a long time, but things change, and I'm open to > other > >>> > solid models. Thx! > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >> Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WEERB… > > > > > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/O4JNP… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ANP67… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 9, 2020

Re: recommended printer/3-in-1 laser B+W for general (Linux and Windows clients)

by Andrew Oprea

> From Linux I can't see the ink levels, that's my only annoyance. I'm under the impression that "Ink Levels" in that printer and my Envy 4500 is really "page count" I don't think there is any type of sensor, but I'll keep an eye out for interesting behavior as I'm all set to refill my own cartridges now... -drew On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 10:30 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Doug, > > Granted, not an laserjet printer, but for what it's worth I've got the $179 HP Envy 7155 All-in-one inkjet printer. > > Networking is wireless only. Both printing and scanning just work on Ubuntu. > From Linux I can't see the ink levels, that's my only annoyance. > We buy the XL print cartridges which seem to last a long time.. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 7:20 PM Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> Thanks! Gotta buy something uncursed, and >> the curse may vary per user so I feel positive on my hopes when I choose/toss-dart/intuit the right new....still sleeping on it..... hp or ? lightweight ( sits near my knees, barely fits ). >> >> >> But how do we know the Linux driver? printers.conf and output of lpinfo -v >> seem cryptic if they do show a driver (.ppd?) >> >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 4:33 PM Chuck Anderson <cra(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: >>> >>> I've never had any problems printing from Linux to HP printers connected via IP over Ethernet or via USB. I've also had good luck with HP and Fujitsu Snascan scanners via USB, but not over the network. Scanning over the network is something I haven't figured out since I scan so infrequently and I just go plug the laptop into the scanner via USB. >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 01:06:04PM -0400, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: >>> > Hi! Hope this doesnt start a HUGE preference debate, but I'm taking feedback >>> > on what some of you already know to be a "solid" not too big laser >>> > black+white, >>> > flatbed/top scanner+copier (no top sheet feeder please, adds too much >>> > space/width) >>> > BUT THE PAIN is always in the PRINTER drivers/software, win or linux, in my >>> > experience. >>> > >>> > Honestly, been battling w/PDF's too long, to an old-ish Brother HL-L2395DW >>> > 3-in-1 >>> > --I'm working mostly on Linux Mint 19 (a deviant ubuntu I highly recommend >>> > for ex-win users) >>> > --Printing most things OK. IIRC, didnt have to find Linux drivers the hard >>> > way. >>> > --Printing PDF's gets iffy. LibreOffice sometimes cures my blues; >>> > DocumentViewer is probably the worst, "evince" also iffy, etc. >>> > Sometimes "Data received"....ends with a silent chirp, >>> > sometimes printer panel indicates a quick reject (nothing printed) saying >>> > "Out of Memory", >>> > BUT REALLY it's not the job == big, I think it >>> > must be a nasty runaway/leaky PDF->driver thing, but if I >>> > -- copy/email/send the nasty job to a win7 laptop and use AcroRead, USUALLY >>> > gets it done. >>> > >>> > Until today when ALL seemed to fail, I'm ready to cough up a few $hundred >>> > for a better beast, >>> > with wired ethernet+USB though I suppose it's pointless to avoid wireLESS >>> > interface as long as it does wired ethernet. Oh look! Today's impossible >>> > job just came out, from where! Losing my mind. >>> > >>> > Budget: since not color, I could go over $300 or so, where most of the >>> > decent ones sit. >>> > Been an HP fan for a long time, but things change, and I'm open to other >>> > solid models. Thx! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WEERB… > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/O4JNP…

July 9, 2020

Re: recommended printer/3-in-1 laser B+W for general (Linux and Windows clients)

by Tim Keller

Doug, Granted, not an laserjet printer, but for what it's worth I've got the $179 HP Envy 7155 All-in-one inkjet printer. Networking is wireless only. Both printing and scanning just work on Ubuntu. From Linux I can't see the ink levels, that's my only annoyance. We buy the XL print cartridges which seem to last a long time.. Thanks, Tim. On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 7:20 PM Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Thanks! Gotta buy something uncursed, and > the curse may vary per user so I feel positive on my hopes when I > choose/toss-dart/intuit the right new....still sleeping on it..... hp or ? > lightweight ( sits near my knees, barely fits ). > > > But how do we know the Linux driver? printers.conf and output of lpinfo -v > seem cryptic if they do show a driver (.ppd?) > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 4:33 PM Chuck Anderson <cra(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > >> I've never had any problems printing from Linux to HP printers connected >> via IP over Ethernet or via USB. I've also had good luck with HP and >> Fujitsu Snascan scanners via USB, but not over the network. Scanning over >> the network is something I haven't figured out since I scan so infrequently >> and I just go plug the laptop into the scanner via USB. >> >> On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 01:06:04PM -0400, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: >> > Hi! Hope this doesnt start a HUGE preference debate, but I'm taking >> feedback >> > on what some of you already know to be a "solid" not too big laser >> > black+white, >> > flatbed/top scanner+copier (no top sheet feeder please, adds too much >> > space/width) >> > BUT THE PAIN is always in the PRINTER drivers/software, win or linux, >> in my >> > experience. >> > >> > Honestly, been battling w/PDF's too long, to an old-ish Brother >> HL-L2395DW >> > 3-in-1 >> > --I'm working mostly on Linux Mint 19 (a deviant ubuntu I highly >> recommend >> > for ex-win users) >> > --Printing most things OK. IIRC, didnt have to find Linux drivers the >> hard >> > way. >> > --Printing PDF's gets iffy. LibreOffice sometimes cures my blues; >> > DocumentViewer is probably the worst, "evince" also iffy, etc. >> > Sometimes "Data received"....ends with a silent chirp, >> > sometimes printer panel indicates a quick reject (nothing printed) >> saying >> > "Out of Memory", >> > BUT REALLY it's not the job == big, I think it >> > must be a nasty runaway/leaky PDF->driver thing, but if I >> > -- copy/email/send the nasty job to a win7 laptop and use AcroRead, >> USUALLY >> > gets it done. >> > >> > Until today when ALL seemed to fail, I'm ready to cough up a few >> $hundred >> > for a better beast, >> > with wired ethernet+USB though I suppose it's pointless to avoid >> wireLESS >> > interface as long as it does wired ethernet. Oh look! Today's impossible >> > job just came out, from where! Losing my mind. >> > >> > Budget: since not color, I could go over $300 or so, where most of the >> > decent ones sit. >> > Been an HP fan for a long time, but things change, and I'm open to other >> > solid models. Thx! >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WEERB… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 9, 2020

Re: recommended printer/3-in-1 laser B+W for general (Linux and Windows clients)

by Doug Mildram

Thanks! Gotta buy something uncursed, and the curse may vary per user so I feel positive on my hopes when I choose/toss-dart/intuit the right new....still sleeping on it..... hp or ? lightweight ( sits near my knees, barely fits ). But how do we know the Linux driver? printers.conf and output of lpinfo -v seem cryptic if they do show a driver (.ppd?) On Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 4:33 PM Chuck Anderson <cra(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > I've never had any problems printing from Linux to HP printers connected > via IP over Ethernet or via USB. I've also had good luck with HP and > Fujitsu Snascan scanners via USB, but not over the network. Scanning over > the network is something I haven't figured out since I scan so infrequently > and I just go plug the laptop into the scanner via USB. > > On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 01:06:04PM -0400, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: > > Hi! Hope this doesnt start a HUGE preference debate, but I'm taking > feedback > > on what some of you already know to be a "solid" not too big laser > > black+white, > > flatbed/top scanner+copier (no top sheet feeder please, adds too much > > space/width) > > BUT THE PAIN is always in the PRINTER drivers/software, win or linux, in > my > > experience. > > > > Honestly, been battling w/PDF's too long, to an old-ish Brother > HL-L2395DW > > 3-in-1 > > --I'm working mostly on Linux Mint 19 (a deviant ubuntu I highly > recommend > > for ex-win users) > > --Printing most things OK. IIRC, didnt have to find Linux drivers the > hard > > way. > > --Printing PDF's gets iffy. LibreOffice sometimes cures my blues; > > DocumentViewer is probably the worst, "evince" also iffy, etc. > > Sometimes "Data received"....ends with a silent chirp, > > sometimes printer panel indicates a quick reject (nothing printed) saying > > "Out of Memory", > > BUT REALLY it's not the job == big, I think it > > must be a nasty runaway/leaky PDF->driver thing, but if I > > -- copy/email/send the nasty job to a win7 laptop and use AcroRead, > USUALLY > > gets it done. > > > > Until today when ALL seemed to fail, I'm ready to cough up a few $hundred > > for a better beast, > > with wired ethernet+USB though I suppose it's pointless to avoid wireLESS > > interface as long as it does wired ethernet. Oh look! Today's impossible > > job just came out, from where! Losing my mind. > > > > Budget: since not color, I could go over $300 or so, where most of the > > decent ones sit. > > Been an HP fan for a long time, but things change, and I'm open to other > > solid models. Thx! >

July 8, 2020

Re: recommended printer/3-in-1 laser B+W for general (Linux and Windows clients)

by John Stoffel

Here's a possibly useful source of recommendations. And laser, even color laser, is getting much cheaper these days. Consumables are the gotchas of course... https://haydenjames.io/finding-linux-compatible-printers/ I still think the Brother MFC are good. And network scanning works for me too using SANE and gscan2pdf. Really handy. My next printer will be a brother, but this one refuses to die...

July 8, 2020

Re: recommended printer/3-in-1 laser B+W for general (Linux and Windows clients)

by Chuck Anderson

I've never had any problems printing from Linux to HP printers connected via IP over Ethernet or via USB. I've also had good luck with HP and Fujitsu Snascan scanners via USB, but not over the network. Scanning over the network is something I haven't figured out since I scan so infrequently and I just go plug the laptop into the scanner via USB. On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 01:06:04PM -0400, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: > Hi! Hope this doesnt start a HUGE preference debate, but I'm taking feedback > on what some of you already know to be a "solid" not too big laser > black+white, > flatbed/top scanner+copier (no top sheet feeder please, adds too much > space/width) > BUT THE PAIN is always in the PRINTER drivers/software, win or linux, in my > experience. > > Honestly, been battling w/PDF's too long, to an old-ish Brother HL-L2395DW > 3-in-1 > --I'm working mostly on Linux Mint 19 (a deviant ubuntu I highly recommend > for ex-win users) > --Printing most things OK. IIRC, didnt have to find Linux drivers the hard > way. > --Printing PDF's gets iffy. LibreOffice sometimes cures my blues; > DocumentViewer is probably the worst, "evince" also iffy, etc. > Sometimes "Data received"....ends with a silent chirp, > sometimes printer panel indicates a quick reject (nothing printed) saying > "Out of Memory", > BUT REALLY it's not the job == big, I think it > must be a nasty runaway/leaky PDF->driver thing, but if I > -- copy/email/send the nasty job to a win7 laptop and use AcroRead, USUALLY > gets it done. > > Until today when ALL seemed to fail, I'm ready to cough up a few $hundred > for a better beast, > with wired ethernet+USB though I suppose it's pointless to avoid wireLESS > interface as long as it does wired ethernet. Oh look! Today's impossible > job just came out, from where! Losing my mind. > > Budget: since not color, I could go over $300 or so, where most of the > decent ones sit. > Been an HP fan for a long time, but things change, and I'm open to other > solid models. Thx!

July 8, 2020

Re: recommended printer/3-in-1 laser B+W for general (Linux and Windows clients)

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Doug" == Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Doug> Hi! Hope this doesnt start a HUGE preference debate, but I'm Doug> taking feedback on what some of you already know to be a "solid" Doug> not too big laser black+white, flatbed/top scanner+copier (no Doug> top sheet feeder please, adds too much space/width) BUT THE PAIN Doug> is always in the PRINTER drivers/software, win or linux, in my Doug> experience. So you want an MFC type device. I'm still using my Brother MFC-8860DN from June 2006 without major problems. It's the older BR2 postscript engine, and the SANE drivers aren't supported on new linux distros because they use a library that's not available any more. I should be able to fix it with some LD_* trickery, but instead I just SSH into an older box with the library and run the GUI over X. Doug> Honestly, been battling w/PDF's too long, to an old-ish Brother Doug> HL-L2395DW 3-in-1 Which driver are you using? It looks like it only support the BR3 PostScript, so make sure your driver is using that release. And make sure that you have cups configured with the right PPD for the printer. Doug> --I'm working mostly on Linux Mint 19 (a deviant ubuntu I highly Doug> recommend for ex-win users) Me too... Doug> --Printing most things OK. IIRC, didnt have to find Linux drivers the hard way. Yup. Every once in a while is flakes out on me too. Doug> --Printing PDF's gets iffy. LibreOffice sometimes cures my blues; Doug> DocumentViewer is probably the worst, "evince" also iffy, etc. Doug> Sometimes "Data received"....ends with a silent chirp, Doug> sometimes printer panel indicates a quick reject (nothing printed) saying "Out of Memory", Doug> BUT REALLY it's not the job == big, I think it Doug> must be a nasty runaway/leaky PDF->driver thing, but if I Doug> -- copy/email/send the nasty job to a win7 laptop and use AcroRead, USUALLY gets it done. Have you tried using one of the PDF to PDF converters to sanitize the output? Doug> Until today when ALL seemed to fail, I'm ready to cough up a few Doug> $hundred for a better beast, with wired ethernet+USB though I Doug> suppose it's pointless to avoid wireLESS interface as long as it Doug> does wired ethernet. Oh look! Today's impossible job just came Doug> out, from where! Losing my mind. I'd seriosuly be tempted with another Brother printer, using the latest BR4 PostScript engine. But I'd also go color laser too. Doug> Budget: since not color, I could go over $300 or so, where most Doug> of the decent ones sit. Been an HP fan for a long time, but Doug> things change, and I'm open to other solid models. Thx! Still recommend the Brother printers, they have Linux support for sure on their web site, so you have to give them that. John

July 8, 2020

recommended printer/3-in-1 laser B+W for general (Linux and Windows clients)

by Doug Mildram

Hi! Hope this doesnt start a HUGE preference debate, but I'm taking feedback on what some of you already know to be a "solid" not too big laser black+white, flatbed/top scanner+copier (no top sheet feeder please, adds too much space/width) BUT THE PAIN is always in the PRINTER drivers/software, win or linux, in my experience. Honestly, been battling w/PDF's too long, to an old-ish Brother HL-L2395DW 3-in-1 --I'm working mostly on Linux Mint 19 (a deviant ubuntu I highly recommend for ex-win users) --Printing most things OK. IIRC, didnt have to find Linux drivers the hard way. --Printing PDF's gets iffy. LibreOffice sometimes cures my blues; DocumentViewer is probably the worst, "evince" also iffy, etc. Sometimes "Data received"....ends with a silent chirp, sometimes printer panel indicates a quick reject (nothing printed) saying "Out of Memory", BUT REALLY it's not the job == big, I think it must be a nasty runaway/leaky PDF->driver thing, but if I -- copy/email/send the nasty job to a win7 laptop and use AcroRead, USUALLY gets it done. Until today when ALL seemed to fail, I'm ready to cough up a few $hundred for a better beast, with wired ethernet+USB though I suppose it's pointless to avoid wireLESS interface as long as it does wired ethernet. Oh look! Today's impossible job just came out, from where! Losing my mind. Budget: since not color, I could go over $300 or so, where most of the decent ones sit. Been an HP fan for a long time, but things change, and I'm open to other solid models. Thx!

July 8, 2020

Reminder, we've got a meeting next week!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, I hope you're having a happy and healthy safe 4th of July!! We've got a meeting next week! I'm going to give a quick demo on Min.io, we'll do a round table and I'm sure general tom foolery will occur! Our usual Jitsi haunt will be where we'll meet until things improve, though it's looking better for New England and worse for everybody else.. My hope is soon we'll be meeting at Technopia, but until then, we'll keep the candle burning anyway we can! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 4, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] 3D printing RC planes

by Tim Keller

Check out the https://zesty.tech They make an system that essentially gets you the benefits of direct drive and bowden by remotely driving a feeder with an ultra stiff cable so you don't need to have the stepper on the print head. On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 4:33 PM Krichevsky, Nicholas J. via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > That direct drive mod looks like something I might invest in... We shall > see how it performs with the Bowden first :) > > Thanks for sending this along! > > Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36> > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2020 8:55:36 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > *Cc:* Krichevsky, Nicholas J. <njkrichevsky(a)wpi.edu>; Tim Keller < > turbofx(a)gmail.com> > *Subject:* [EXT] [WLUG] Re: [EXT] 3D printing RC planes > > Nicholas, > > There's a company out there that makes a linear rail upgrade kit for the > ender 3 and ender 5. The website is printermods.com > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fprintermod…> > > The only thing they bring to the table is they've just assembled the > parts, but still cool nome the less. > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 5:53 PM Krichevsky, Nicholas J. via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > I just bought an Ender 3 after a failed attempt over the past couple > months of fixing up a printrbot... I might have to check this out once it > gets here! > > Get Outlook for Android > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2F…> > ------------------------------ > *From:* Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2020 5:50:51 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > *Cc:* Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> > *Subject:* [EXT] [WLUG] 3D printing RC planes > > I just watched a webinar from these guys. Those of you with 3D printers > might want to check them out. > https://www.3daeroventures.com/ > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.3daer…> > > > -- > Rich > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/A7KMP… > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/R26VN… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 26, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] 3D printing RC planes

by Krichevsky, Nicholas J.

That direct drive mod looks like something I might invest in... We shall see how it performs with the Bowden first :) Thanks for sending this along! Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 8:55:36 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Krichevsky, Nicholas J. <njkrichevsky(a)wpi.edu>; Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Re: [EXT] 3D printing RC planes Nicholas, There's a company out there that makes a linear rail upgrade kit for the ender 3 and ender 5. The website is printermods.com<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fprintermod…> The only thing they bring to the table is they've just assembled the parts, but still cool nome the less. On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 5:53 PM Krichevsky, Nicholas J. via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: I just bought an Ender 3 after a failed attempt over the past couple months of fixing up a printrbot... I might have to check this out once it gets here! Get Outlook for Android<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2F…> ________________________________ From: Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 5:50:51 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> Cc: Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org<mailto:rich@richardklein.org>> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] 3D printing RC planes I just watched a webinar from these guys. Those of you with 3D printers might want to check them out. https://www.3daeroventures.com/<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.3daer…> -- Rich _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/A7KMP…<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…>

June 25, 2020

Re: [EXT] 3D printing RC planes

by Tim Keller

Nicholas, There's a company out there that makes a linear rail upgrade kit for the ender 3 and ender 5. The website is printermods.com The only thing they bring to the table is they've just assembled the parts, but still cool nome the less. On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 5:53 PM Krichevsky, Nicholas J. via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I just bought an Ender 3 after a failed attempt over the past couple > months of fixing up a printrbot... I might have to check this out once it > gets here! > > Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36> > ------------------------------ > *From:* Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2020 5:50:51 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > *Cc:* Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> > *Subject:* [EXT] [WLUG] 3D printing RC planes > > I just watched a webinar from these guys. Those of you with 3D printers > might want to check them out. > https://www.3daeroventures.com/ > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.3daer…> > > > -- > Rich > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/A7KMP… >

June 24, 2020

Re: Great meeting last night... but we need topics...

by Tim Keller

Don't worry.. next month will come soon enough!! On Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 9:39 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Dennis> Argh! I meant to join last night but forgot. > > Same here, work has slowly been taking up my evenings since they all > Cali time... > > I'd like to maybe talk Ansible, and about my experience in > slowly getting upto speed with it and learning how it can make my life > simpler. And harder. > > And how much I hate all those silly simple examples which don't *do* > anything. "Look how easy it is to install Apache and php using > ansible!" type of stupid examples. > > Dennis> I've been working on a new project if people are > Dennis> interested. It is called Gamerzilla. It is an > Dennis> achievement/trophy system for open source games. > > Cool. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WQLNI… >

June 24, 2020

Re: 3D printing RC planes

by Jon "maddog" Hall

This reminds me of the R/C model airplanes of my youth. They were not "proportional". They had a single channel that controlled the rudder. As you pulsed the transmitter the plane's rudder went from "center" to "full right" to "center" to "full left" to "center". As they got more sophisticated the rudder went in half-steps, but basically the same cycle. As long as the (gas) engine was running they gracefully climbed, and once the engine ran out of fuel then (hopefully) gracefully glided down. Sometimes it was not so graceful. Many times they ended up in trees. The receiver used a tube and a very heavy battery. The planes typically had a five or six foot wingspan, the fuselage was close to six feet long. The transmitter power leads clipped to your car battery. They would fly from five to ten minutes, limited mostly by the gas tank size and battery life of the receiver. There were a couple of guys who built these (the rest of the hobbyists, my brother included) flew control-line planes..... I never built one (I could not afford it), and so I more or less ignored R/C until thirty years later. All of a sudden there were IC based proportional R/C radios with more channels than a Sony TV that (seemingly) were about the size of a dime and could control these cute cars, boats, airplanes, heliocopters, all for less than 25 bucks. Yowsir! md On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 5:51 PM Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I just watched a webinar from these guys. Those of you with 3D printers > might want to check them out. > https://www.3daeroventures.com/ > > -- > Rich > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RSWQI… >

June 23, 2020

Re: [EXT] 3D printing RC planes

by Krichevsky, Nicholas J.

I just bought an Ender 3 after a failed attempt over the past couple months of fixing up a printrbot... I might have to check this out once it gets here! Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 5:50:51 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] 3D printing RC planes I just watched a webinar from these guys. Those of you with 3D printers might want to check them out. https://www.3daeroventures.com/<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.3daer…> -- Rich

June 23, 2020

3D printing RC planes

by Richard Klein

I just watched a webinar from these guys. Those of you with 3D printers might want to check them out. https://www.3daeroventures.com/ -- Rich

June 23, 2020

Re: Great meeting last night... but we need topics...

by John Stoffel

Dennis> Argh! I meant to join last night but forgot. Same here, work has slowly been taking up my evenings since they all Cali time... I'd like to maybe talk Ansible, and about my experience in slowly getting upto speed with it and learning how it can make my life simpler. And harder. And how much I hate all those silly simple examples which don't *do* anything. "Look how easy it is to install Apache and php using ansible!" type of stupid examples. Dennis> I've been working on a new project if people are Dennis> interested. It is called Gamerzilla. It is an Dennis> achievement/trophy system for open source games. Cool.

June 13, 2020

Re: Great meeting last night... but we need topics...

by Dennis Payne

Argh! I meant to join last night but forgot. I've been working on a new project if people are interested. It is called Gamerzilla. It is an achievement/trophy system for open source games. http://identicalsoftware.com/gamerzilla/ On Fri, 2020-06-12 at 10:55 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Gang, > > Thanks for everybody who showed up, we had a great time! > > We also had a couple new people show which was great! However, it's > clear that even doing the virtual meetings, we need to have a topic.. > we simply ran out of stuff to talk about... > For the next meeting I'm going to do a talk on https://min.io/ > > It's an open source object storage system that works just like S3 > only you can host it locally. > > IF people have things they'd like to talk about let me know! > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > > _______________________________________________WLUG mailing list -- > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/IHEPT… -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://social.freegamedev.net/channel/dulsi

June 12, 2020

Great meeting last night... but we need topics...

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, Thanks for everybody who showed up, we had a great time! We also had a couple new people show which was great! However, it's clear that even doing the virtual meetings, we need to have a topic.. we simply ran out of stuff to talk about... For the next meeting I'm going to do a talk on https://min.io/ It's an open source object storage system that works just like S3 only you can host it locally. IF people have things they'd like to talk about let me know! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 12, 2020

WLUG Meeting tomorrow night (June 11th) , via Jitsi! @7PM

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, We've got a virtual wlug meeting tomorrow night via JitSi at 7PM! The link is going to be: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA I also announced it on the meetup so who knows who'll show up! Maybe our meeting will get bombed! The topic is going to be the usual... come, be nerdy we'll talk about everything! Like I said before, at some point in the future we'll be actually meeting up in person, hopefully at Technopia! However, we need to coordinate with them and do it safe and sensibly. Later, Tim Keller WLUG President -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 10, 2020

Re: June virtual meeting!

by Tim Keller

I suppose I should have put in the pertinent details.. Yes, Thursday at 7pm. https://meet.jit.si/ the room is "WlugMA" Thanks, Tim. On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 10:48 AM Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > Thursday the 11th, at 7? > > ref. https://technocopia.org/ > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 10:22 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Hey Gang! >> >> Well, we're still not quite out of it, so this month's meeting is going >> to be virtual again. >> I've been watching Technopia's website and they're now open to members >> only. >> >> I think when it's open to the general public, we'll follow the CDC >> guidelines, see what Technopia wants to do and have a real in person >> meeting. >> >> I hope everybody has kept sane, okay less crazy, during the quarantine. >> >> Later, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7BMHO… >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 9, 2020

Re: June virtual meeting!

by Richard Klein

Thursday the 11th, at 7? ref. https://technocopia.org/ On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 10:22 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Gang! > > Well, we're still not quite out of it, so this month's meeting is going to > be virtual again. > I've been watching Technopia's website and they're now open to members > only. > > I think when it's open to the general public, we'll follow the CDC > guidelines, see what Technopia wants to do and have a real in person > meeting. > > I hope everybody has kept sane, okay less crazy, during the quarantine. > > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7BMHO… >

June 9, 2020

June virtual meeting!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang! Well, we're still not quite out of it, so this month's meeting is going to be virtual again. I've been watching Technopia's website and they're now open to members only. I think when it's open to the general public, we'll follow the CDC guidelines, see what Technopia wants to do and have a real in person meeting. I hope everybody has kept sane, okay less crazy, during the quarantine. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 9, 2020

Re: X1 Carbon Gen8 review

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Joshua, It depends on the "bloatware", but usually "bloatware" reduces the price of the laptop for the end user because the bloatware is looked at as advertising in the bloatware company's budget. The bloatware company pays the manufacturer to put the bloatware on the laptop, so either the laptop is cheaper for the end user or the OEM makes more money on a per-user basis. All of this makes it even harder to compute the "Microsoft Tax Refund". md On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 9:37 PM <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Jon, > > Thanks for the positive feedback! I think now that've had a hands-on > experience with the X1 Carbon, I'm not going to go back to buying "big" > laptops like the T series because they feel too bulky by comparison. > > I agree that the true cost of a license is never clear cut -- in addition > to bulk discounts from Microsoft, an OEM would likely have to factor in > the savings from third-party bloatware (although Lenovo doesn't seem to > include much of this in their business lineup), the cost of R&D for > vendor-specific optimizations, and the cost of customer support. It's > probably easier for them to simply not offer refunds and sell Windows as > part of the hardware to streamline support. > > In my experience with Lenovo, the refund came out to $87. I didn't ask > whether this amount was based on the post-discount price or the original > listed price, as I was just happy that I could get a refund at all. It > actually seems like a significant refund considering I had originally > purchased the X1 Carbon for $1,243 (Memorial Day sale and corporate > discount took off more than half of the original price!), taking it down to > $1,156. > > > On Sat, 2020-06-06 at 20:35 -0400, Jon "maddog" Hall wrote: > > Joshua, > > Thanks for the report. I have been a Thinkpad user a very long time and > I have an earlier model Carbon also....both are great computers. > > One comment about the return of the "Microsoft Tax".....what might seem to > be a relatively simple issue is actually fairly complex and is tied into > quantity discounts on licenses with Microsoft that really needs to be > addressed at the top. Until that is done, nobody really knows how much > the "tax" is. Defining the "Microsoft Tax" has probably been getting > better over the years as more and more people decide they do not need or > want MS products and more and more companies re-write their contracts to > give them more freedom. > > md > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 1:10 PM joshua.gage.stone--- via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Hey all, > > Since Lenovo has been making announcements about shipping Linux on > their machines [1] and expanding on their certifications [2], I decided > to purchase an X1 Carbon Gen8 [3] as my newest daily driver. I thought > I'd share some thoughts after installing Fedora 32 on it. > > Chassis: > > The X1 Carbon has excellent build quality. Despite being an ultrathin > laptop, it feels quite solid in my hands and is well-balanced when > grasping with one hand. Weighing in at 2.38 lbs, it's much lighter and > smaller than my T480 (4.03 lbs) which makes it more ideal for > traveling. The laptop doesn't flex or wobble when typing either. > > Ports: > > The number of ports is quite good compared to other ultrathin laptops > like the Dell XPS 13 and Macbook. Two USB-C ports are available which > are its main method of charging (very useful for sharing cables too). > There are two also standard USB-A ports, as well as an HDMI port and > headphone jack. There isn't native ethernet which is a bit of a > disappointment, but fortunately this is mitigated with a dongle that > comes with the laptop. There isn't an SD card slot or even a microSD > slot either, but the SD card reader dongle I already use with my > desktop can be used instead. > > Monitor: > > The FHD 400 nit screen is very good. Costa Rica 4K [4] -- which is > typically used as a benchmark for demonstrating display quality -- > looks quite nice on it. I don't have a colorimeter [5] on hand for > measuring the full capabilities of the screen in a more empirical > fashion, but it should be capable of showing the full sRGB range as > well as covering most of Adobe RGB. The 4K HDR 500 nit configuration > should be more ideal if color reproduction and HDR are of utmost > importance. > > Keyboard: > > Thinkpads are well renowned for their keyboards, and the keyboard on > the Carbon is no exception. The keys feel just right to me when typing, > not being too mushy or too clicky. They also don't give off much noise, > which is very much appreciated when working in a quiet room. > > Speakers: > > I'm quite happy with the quality of the Dolby Atmos speakers. Usually > laptop speakers are a disappointment to me, but the speakers on the > Carbon are more than capable of handling different genres of music. The > speaker alignment being upward-facing instead of side-facing as seen in > other thinkpads also makes it better for watching videos and listening > to music with other people. > > It does seem a bit lacking in bass-heavy music [6], but the built-in > DAC is more than capable of driving a pair of good-quality headphones > [7]. I might have to make an update on this later because Dolby Atmos > support on Linux appears to be a work in progress and may need a preset > to have it more closely match the speaker output on Windows [8] in the > meantime. > > Battery: > > I can get a decent amount of battery life from the 51Wh battery, > usually about 14 hours with light usage and medium screen brightness on > stock Fedora. I think I could easily squeeze more battery life out of > it if I installed Powertop or TLP, but hopefully battery optimizations > land in upstream so no extra work needs to be done by the time Fedora > 33 comes out. > > Noise & thermals: > > This laptop is quiet! Even when playing 1080p@60fps video in a quiet > room, the fan don't make any audible noise. > > Multi-core workloads like code compiling also don't seem to be an issue > on this laptop. Sensors report roughly 70C during such workloads, and > the fan gives off a low amount of noise that's well within acceptable > range. > > Performance & Stability: > > The i7-10510U performs quite well. It appears to be about as fast as > the R5 2600X in my desktop at compile tasks, which is especially > impressive considering this is in an ultrathin laptop! > > It also remains responsive for multitasking while compiling, still > being able to play fullscreen video in Firefox while dropping a few > frames when attempting to switch tabs (considering it's able to sustain > full 60fps playback otherwise while most cores are saturated, this is > still acceptable). > > Suspend support on the Carbon is rock solid too. I've repeatedly closed > the lid and opened it back up to have it immediately wake up from > suspend, making it ideal for keeping around on standby for when I want > to look something up. > > Vendor Support: > > Almost everything about this laptop works out of the box on Fedora, > with one exception being that firmware for the fingerprint sensor is > currently still in testing and needs to be explicitly enabled [9] if > you want to enable fingerprint login & authentication from Gnome > Settings > > Since I bought the Carbon before Lenovo started offering a > configuration with Linux preinstalled, I ended up paying for a Windows > license. Lenovo support however was quite understanding of my situation > in having no desire to run Windows on it, and provided a refund for the > license. I think this is noteworthy since they previously didn't offer > a refund when I previously bought my T480 a few years ago. > > Enabling hardware decoding support for improving CPU usage and battery > life [10] is also trivial. Firefox appears to consume 15%-25% CPU > during fullscreen 1080p@60fps video playback, and VLC is usually using > 8%-15% for the same video. It's worth noting that Firefox's accelerated > decoding support is still bleeding-edge and probably has room for > optimizations, and I'd imagine VLC could be even more efficient once it > has native Wayland support. > > Conclusion: > > Overall, I'm very happy with this laptop, both on the software and > hardware side. Despite being brand new, the out-of-the-box Linux > support has been some of the best I've seen in a long time and the > tweaks I've had to do for it were quite minimal. I think once Lenovo > sorts out their official Linux support (I still don't see it offered as > an OS option in the customization page), they'll have a truly stellar > product that they can market to Linux users as a daily driver. > > > > Sources: > > 1. https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-laptops/ > > 2. > > https://news.lenovo.com/pressroom/press-releases/lenovo-brings-linux-certif… > > 3. > > https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/X1-Carbon-Gen-8-/p… > > 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXb3EKWsInQ > > 5. > https://www.amazon.com/X-Rite-Color-Munki-Smile-ColorMunki/dp/B009APMNB0/ > > 6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgRr0CLFhaw > > 7. > > https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-M50xBT-Wireless-Bluetooth-Headpho… > > 8. https://github.com/JackHack96/PulseEffects-Presets/tree/master/irs > > 9. > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X1_Carbon_(Gen_7)#Fing… > > 10. > > https://mastransky.wordpress.com/2020/06/03/firefox-on-fedora-finally-gets-… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CZMXV… > >

June 7, 2020

Re: X1 Carbon Gen8 review

by joshua.gage.stone＠gmail.com

Jon, Thanks for the positive feedback! I think now that've had a hands-on experience with the X1 Carbon, I'm not going to go back to buying "big" laptops like the T series because they feel too bulky by comparison. I agree that the true cost of a license is never clear cut -- in addition to bulk discounts from Microsoft, an OEM would likely have to factor in the savings from third-party bloatware (although Lenovo doesn't seem to include much of this in their business lineup), the cost of R&D for vendor-specific optimizations, and the cost of customer support. It's probably easier for them to simply not offer refunds and sell Windows as part of the hardware to streamline support. In my experience with Lenovo, the refund came out to $87. I didn't ask whether this amount was based on the post-discount price or the original listed price, as I was just happy that I could get a refund at all. It actually seems like a significant refund considering I had originally purchased the X1 Carbon for $1,243 (Memorial Day sale and corporate discount took off more than half of the original price!), taking it down to $1,156. On Sat, 2020-06-06 at 20:35 -0400, Jon "maddog" Hall wrote: > Joshua, > > Thanks for the report. I have been a Thinkpad user a very long time > and I have an earlier model Carbon also....both are great computers. > > One comment about the return of the "Microsoft Tax".....what might > seem to be a relatively simple issue is actually fairly complex and > is tied into quantity discounts on licenses with Microsoft that > really needs to be addressed at the top. Until that is done, nobody > really knows how much the "tax" is. Defining the "Microsoft Tax" has > probably been getting better over the years as more and more people > decide they do not need or want MS products and more and more > companies re-write their contracts to give them more freedom. > > md > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 1:10 PM joshua.gage.stone--- via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > > > > > Since Lenovo has been making announcements about shipping Linux on > > > > their machines [1] and expanding on their certifications [2], I > > decided > > > > to purchase an X1 Carbon Gen8 [3] as my newest daily driver. I > > thought > > > > I'd share some thoughts after installing Fedora 32 on it. > > > > > > > > Chassis: > > > > > > > > The X1 Carbon has excellent build quality. Despite being an > > ultrathin > > > > laptop, it feels quite solid in my hands and is well-balanced when > > > > grasping with one hand. Weighing in at 2.38 lbs, it's much lighter > > and > > > > smaller than my T480 (4.03 lbs) which makes it more ideal for > > > > traveling. The laptop doesn't flex or wobble when typing either. > > > > > > > > Ports: > > > > > > > > The number of ports is quite good compared to other ultrathin > > laptops > > > > like the Dell XPS 13 and Macbook. Two USB-C ports are available > > which > > > > are its main method of charging (very useful for sharing cables > > too). > > > > There are two also standard USB-A ports, as well as an HDMI port > > and > > > > headphone jack. There isn't native ethernet which is a bit of a > > > > disappointment, but fortunately this is mitigated with a dongle > > that > > > > comes with the laptop. There isn't an SD card slot or even a > > microSD > > > > slot either, but the SD card reader dongle I already use with my > > > > desktop can be used instead. > > > > > > > > Monitor: > > > > > > > > The FHD 400 nit screen is very good. Costa Rica 4K [4] -- which is > > > > typically used as a benchmark for demonstrating display quality -- > > > > looks quite nice on it. I don't have a colorimeter [5] on hand for > > > > measuring the full capabilities of the screen in a more empirical > > > > fashion, but it should be capable of showing the full sRGB range as > > > > well as covering most of Adobe RGB. The 4K HDR 500 nit > > configuration > > > > should be more ideal if color reproduction and HDR are of utmost > > > > importance. > > > > > > > > Keyboard: > > > > > > > > Thinkpads are well renowned for their keyboards, and the keyboard > > on > > > > the Carbon is no exception. The keys feel just right to me when > > typing, > > > > not being too mushy or too clicky. They also don't give off much > > noise, > > > > which is very much appreciated when working in a quiet room. > > > > > > > > Speakers: > > > > > > > > I'm quite happy with the quality of the Dolby Atmos speakers. > > Usually > > > > laptop speakers are a disappointment to me, but the speakers on the > > > > Carbon are more than capable of handling different genres of music. > > The > > > > speaker alignment being upward-facing instead of side-facing as > > seen in > > > > other thinkpads also makes it better for watching videos and > > listening > > > > to music with other people. > > > > > > > > It does seem a bit lacking in bass-heavy music [6], but the built- > > in > > > > DAC is more than capable of driving a pair of good-quality > > headphones > > > > [7]. I might have to make an update on this later because Dolby > > Atmos > > > > support on Linux appears to be a work in progress and may need a > > preset > > > > to have it more closely match the speaker output on Windows [8] in > > the > > > > meantime. > > > > > > > > Battery: > > > > > > > > I can get a decent amount of battery life from the 51Wh battery, > > > > usually about 14 hours with light usage and medium screen > > brightness on > > > > stock Fedora. I think I could easily squeeze more battery life out > > of > > > > it if I installed Powertop or TLP, but hopefully battery > > optimizations > > > > land in upstream so no extra work needs to be done by the time > > Fedora > > > > 33 comes out. > > > > > > > > Noise & thermals: > > > > > > > > This laptop is quiet! Even when playing 1080p@60fps video in a > > quiet > > > > room, the fan don't make any audible noise. > > > > > > > > Multi-core workloads like code compiling also don't seem to be an > > issue > > > > on this laptop. Sensors report roughly 70C during such workloads, > > and > > > > the fan gives off a low amount of noise that's well within > > acceptable > > > > range. > > > > > > > > Performance & Stability: > > > > > > > > The i7-10510U performs quite well. It appears to be about as fast > > as > > > > the R5 2600X in my desktop at compile tasks, which is especially > > > > impressive considering this is in an ultrathin laptop! > > > > > > > > It also remains responsive for multitasking while compiling, still > > > > being able to play fullscreen video in Firefox while dropping a few > > > > frames when attempting to switch tabs (considering it's able to > > sustain > > > > full 60fps playback otherwise while most cores are saturated, this > > is > > > > still acceptable). > > > > > > > > Suspend support on the Carbon is rock solid too. I've repeatedly > > closed > > > > the lid and opened it back up to have it immediately wake up from > > > > suspend, making it ideal for keeping around on standby for when I > > want > > > > to look something up. > > > > > > > > Vendor Support: > > > > > > > > Almost everything about this laptop works out of the box on Fedora, > > > > with one exception being that firmware for the fingerprint sensor > > is > > > > currently still in testing and needs to be explicitly enabled [9] > > if > > > > you want to enable fingerprint login & authentication from Gnome > > > > Settings > > > > > > > > Since I bought the Carbon before Lenovo started offering a > > > > configuration with Linux preinstalled, I ended up paying for a > > Windows > > > > license. Lenovo support however was quite understanding of my > > situation > > > > in having no desire to run Windows on it, and provided a refund for > > the > > > > license. I think this is noteworthy since they previously didn't > > offer > > > > a refund when I previously bought my T480 a few years ago. > > > > > > > > Enabling hardware decoding support for improving CPU usage and > > battery > > > > life [10] is also trivial. Firefox appears to consume 15%-25% CPU > > > > during fullscreen 1080p@60fps video playback, and VLC is usually > > using > > > > 8%-15% for the same video. It's worth noting that Firefox's > > accelerated > > > > decoding support is still bleeding-edge and probably has room for > > > > optimizations, and I'd imagine VLC could be even more efficient > > once it > > > > has native Wayland support. > > > > > > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > > > Overall, I'm very happy with this laptop, both on the software and > > > > hardware side. Despite being brand new, the out-of-the-box Linux > > > > support has been some of the best I've seen in a long time and the > > > > tweaks I've had to do for it were quite minimal. I think once > > Lenovo > > > > sorts out their official Linux support (I still don't see it > > offered as > > > > an OS option in the customization page), they'll have a truly > > stellar > > > > product that they can market to Linux users as a daily driver. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sources: > > > > > > > > 1. https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-laptops/ > > > > > > > > 2. > > > > https://news.lenovo.com/pressroom/press-releases/lenovo-brings-linux-certif… > > > > > > > > 3. > > > > https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/X1-Carbon-Gen-8-/p… > > > > > > > > 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXb3EKWsInQ > > > > > > > > 5. > > > > https://www.amazon.com/X-Rite-Color-Munki-Smile-ColorMunki/dp/B009APMNB0/ > > > > > > > > 6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgRr0CLFhaw > > > > > > > > 7. > > > > https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-M50xBT-Wireless-Bluetooth-Headpho… > > > > > > > > 8. > > https://github.com/JackHack96/PulseEffects-Presets/tree/master/irs > > > > > > > > 9. > > > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X1_Carbon_(Gen_7)#Fing… > > > > > > > > 10. > > > > https://mastransky.wordpress.com/2020/06/03/firefox-on-fedora-finally-gets-… > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > > > Change Settings: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > > > Web Forum/Archive: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CZMXV… > >

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