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Ubuntu update question

by THE HAMMER

Hello everyone. Thank again for all the recent advice. I have one question. I installed Ubuntu (from a 20.04 flash drive I did a while back) and checked the option to download additional software. It was then up and running. I then had updates available. They were installing, and then the computer said a restart was needed. I clicked restart and rather than restart as expected it went to what I think was a grub menu. Ubuntu was highlighted, I hit the enter key. It said "unpacking failed" (forget if before or after) and started up. Everything seems to be fine, but I am sending this email in case if anyone knows if I will have problems. I tried googling "Ubuntu unpacking failed" and se references to initramfs, but can't say if my message said this. It flashed quickly. I'm confused on what I read there anyway. FYI on the bios to make things work I changed: PTT to off Secure Boot Enable to off Changed RAID to AHCHI The machine seems blazing fast compared to the previous one. Materials much more cheaply made, though. Surprised me that there was no Windows CD or label with license number. cheers Ron

Sept. 19, 2020

Re: desktop advice update

by THE HAMMER

Josh, Thanks for the info. I did not realize that the costs were so low for an SSD. I think I will get settled first and then pick one up! ...I don't know if windows 10 is pre installed on this, or if it comes with an installation cd as I have not opened it yet (won't be home till tonight). I hope that I can just install Ubuntu with having to "register" or install windows on the computer. I'll try to launch the usb flash drive as a live os first to see how it runs, etc ________________________________ From: joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 11:11 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>; wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Cc: THE HAMMER <hammerron(a)hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [WLUG] desktop advice update Hey Ron, That machine looks like a great starting point -- the 6C/12T i5-10400 should be excellent for productivity workloads, and having all of the parts already assembled into a pre-built system saves a lot of hassle. You're unlikely to ever have to worry about UEFI (Secure Boot specifically) on this particular machine since you picked a configuration without Nvidia graphics, and most of the popular distributions have their own signed kernel modules for full UEFI support. This machine is even certified to run Ubuntu 18.04: https://topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/inspiron-3880-desktop_users-guide_en-us.pdf… More documentation can be found here: https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/product/inspiron-38… I think the one recommendation I would make is to install an SSD, because I guarantee that it'll make this machine *fly*. Almost everything will be accelerated, even common applications like file browsers and web browsers will load faster. A CPU and GPU will spend more time waiting than actually executing tasks if copying data into memory take seconds to complete instead of milliseconds. An M.2 SSD should be an excellent investment and will be very easy to install: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#i=85&sort=-rating&pa… I hope that helps! Josh On Fri, 2020-09-18 at 14:18 +0000, THE HAMMER via WLUG wrote: First off, thanks to everyone for the great advice. It's rather a long story for another day, but I wound up picking up this model: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-inspiron-3000-desktop-intel-core-i5-10400… [https://pisces.bbystatic.com/image2/BestBuy_US/images/products/6416/6416004…]<https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-inspiron-3000-desktop-intel-core-i5-10400…> Dell Inspiron 3000 Desktop Intel Core i5-10400 8GB Memory 1TB HDD Ethernet WiFi Bluetooth keyboard and mouse Black i3880-5920BLK-PUS - Best Buy<https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-inspiron-3000-desktop-intel-core-i5-10400…> Shop Dell Inspiron 3000 Desktop Intel Core i5-10400 8GB Memory 1TB HDD Ethernet WiFi Bluetooth keyboard and mouse Black at Best Buy. Find low everyday prices and buy online for delivery or in-store pick-up. Price Match Guarantee. www.bestbuy.com There are way bigger and badder machines out there, this one should still has way more to offer that what is replacing. I have experience distro hopping and before had no worries about installing a linux distro on a pc, but they have always been older machines. I presume that the one will have uefi which is something I have never worked with. I am a bit apprehensive and hope I can figure it all out without major problems. I hope to get this all up and running tonight or over the weekend. Ron _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to <mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: <https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/> https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: <https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: <https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/GO27S…> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/GO27S…

Sept. 18, 2020

Re: desktop advice update

by joshua.gage.stone＠gmail.com

Hey Ron, That machine looks like a great starting point -- the 6C/12T i5-10400 should be excellent for productivity workloads, and having all of the parts already assembled into a pre-built system saves a lot of hassle. You're unlikely to ever have to worry about UEFI (Secure Boot specifically) on this particular machine since you picked a configuration without Nvidia graphics, and most of the popular distributions have their own signed kernel modules for full UEFI support. This machine is even certified to run Ubuntu 18.04: https://topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/inspiron-3880-desktop_users-guide_en-us.pdf… More documentation can be found here: https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/product/inspiron-38… I think the one recommendation I would make is to install an SSD, because I guarantee that it'll make this machine *fly*. Almost everything will be accelerated, even common applications like file browsers and web browsers will load faster. A CPU and GPU will spend more time waiting than actually executing tasks if copying data into memory take seconds to complete instead of milliseconds. An M.2 SSD should be an excellent investment and will be very easy to install: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#i=85&sort=-rating&pa… I hope that helps! Josh On Fri, 2020-09-18 at 14:18 +0000, THE HAMMER via WLUG wrote: > First off, thanks to everyone for the great advice. It's rather a > long story for another day, but I wound up picking up this model: > > > > https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-inspiron-3000-desktop-intel-core-i5-10400… > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dell > Inspiron 3000 Desktop Intel Core i5-10400 8GB Memory 1TB HDD > Ethernet WiFi Bluetooth keyboard and mouse Black i3880-5920BLK-PUS - > Best Buy > > Shop Dell Inspiron 3000 Desktop Intel Core i5-10400 8GB Memory 1TB > HDD Ethernet WiFi Bluetooth keyboard and mouse Black at Best Buy. > Find low everyday prices and buy online for delivery or in-store > pick-up. Price Match Guarantee. > > www.bestbuy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are way bigger and badder machines out there, this one should > still has way more to offer that what is replacing. > > > > I have experience distro hopping and before had no worries about > installing a linux distro on a pc, but they have always been older > machines. I presume that the one will have uefi which is something I > have never worked with. I am a bit apprehensive and hope > I can figure it all out without major problems. I hope to get this > all up and running tonight or over the weekend. > > > > Ron > > > > > > _______________________________________________WLUG mailing list -- > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/GO27S…

Sept. 18, 2020

desktop advice update

by THE HAMMER

First off, thanks to everyone for the great advice. It's rather a long story for another day, but I wound up picking up this model: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-inspiron-3000-desktop-intel-core-i5-10400… [https://pisces.bbystatic.com/image2/BestBuy_US/images/products/6416/6416004…]<https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-inspiron-3000-desktop-intel-core-i5-10400…> Dell Inspiron 3000 Desktop Intel Core i5-10400 8GB Memory 1TB HDD Ethernet WiFi Bluetooth keyboard and mouse Black i3880-5920BLK-PUS - Best Buy<https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-inspiron-3000-desktop-intel-core-i5-10400…> Shop Dell Inspiron 3000 Desktop Intel Core i5-10400 8GB Memory 1TB HDD Ethernet WiFi Bluetooth keyboard and mouse Black at Best Buy. Find low everyday prices and buy online for delivery or in-store pick-up. Price Match Guarantee. www.bestbuy.com There are way bigger and badder machines out there, this one should still has way more to offer that what is replacing. I have experience distro hopping and before had no worries about installing a linux distro on a pc, but they have always been older machines. I presume that the one will have uefi which is something I have never worked with. I am a bit apprehensive and hope I can figure it all out without major problems. I hope to get this all up and running tonight or over the weekend. Ron

Sept. 18, 2020

Re: desktop advice

by James Gray

ZaReason is another supplier of computers preloaded with Linux operating systems. I haven't bought from them. From what I know they are a very small company with all the pluses and minuses that come with that. https://zareason.com/Desktops/ On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 8:44 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Ron, > > For a desktop machine, I would consider the following minimums: > > Ram: Minimum 16GB > Modern web browsers are memory hogs. Once you throw in the window manager > and a couple more applications, there's never been a situation where I've > thought, "Damn, this machine has too much memory" My current machine has > 16gb of ram, and frankly, I wish it had 32GB or 64GB. > Disk: Minimum 512GB > Disk Type: If you can afford the price, buy an NVME, if not an SSD. > NVME is essentially a solid state disk plugged directly into the PCI bus > skipping the SATA buss) so the I/O performance is kick ass. Yet again... > nobody ever complains their program loads *too* fast. The price has come > way down on these. > > Personally, other features that I'd want would be support for dual > monitors. > > Tim. > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 7:48 AM THE HAMMER via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> I want to consider getting a new desktop computer. Can anyone advise me >> as to a specific model and place to purchase from? It's been a long time >> since I've bought new. >> >> I would be using it mostly for emails, a few general apts (like music >> streams and libre office), and a bit of amateur coding. I am not a gamer. >> >> If it is a windows machine, I'd like to load on a linux based os >> >> Suggestions? >> >> Ron >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UE5BM… >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BNKJ2… >

Sept. 18, 2020

Re: desktop advice

by Tim Keller

Ron, For a desktop machine, I would consider the following minimums: Ram: Minimum 16GB Modern web browsers are memory hogs. Once you throw in the window manager and a couple more applications, there's never been a situation where I've thought, "Damn, this machine has too much memory" My current machine has 16gb of ram, and frankly, I wish it had 32GB or 64GB. Disk: Minimum 512GB Disk Type: If you can afford the price, buy an NVME, if not an SSD. NVME is essentially a solid state disk plugged directly into the PCI bus skipping the SATA buss) so the I/O performance is kick ass. Yet again... nobody ever complains their program loads *too* fast. The price has come way down on these. Personally, other features that I'd want would be support for dual monitors. Tim. On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 7:48 AM THE HAMMER via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I want to consider getting a new desktop computer. Can anyone advise me > as to a specific model and place to purchase from? It's been a long time > since I've bought new. > > I would be using it mostly for emails, a few general apts (like music > streams and libre office), and a bit of amateur coding. I am not a gamer. > > If it is a windows machine, I'd like to load on a linux based os > > Suggestions? > > Ron > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UE5BM… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 18, 2020

Re: desktop advice

by Theo Van Dinter

I'll throw a +1 for this idea. The sorts of things you're looking to do aren't particularly intensive, so you don't need anything high powered. For some projects at home, I've been looking at getting older refurb desktops, like a Lenovo M83 or HP 8030, something with an i5-4570 or 4590, and 8G of RAM. If it comes with an SSD great but new small ones ~120G are only $25 or so, so it's cheap to slap your own in and do an install. These machines are fairly plentiful (old office desktops) and you can find them pretty inexpensively. For example I'm watching 2 on Facebook marketplace right now at $100 and $120. fwiw, I need some GPU power as well, so was going to get an NVidia 1650 LP to put in there, but for your list of things the built-in graphics should be fine. On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 11:34 Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > My last few computers have been used Dell or HP workstations, mostly > off-lease from a couple ebay sellers I have experience with. One was from > a WPI student off craigslist. They all do great with Linux and I've had no > regrets. > > A couple ebay sellers I've had good luck with: > https://www.ebay.com/str/dellofficialrefurbishedstore > https://www.ebay.com/str/enviroit > > -- > Rich > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 7:48 AM THE HAMMER via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> I want to consider getting a new desktop computer. Can anyone advise me >> as to a specific model and place to purchase from? It's been a long time >> since I've bought new. >> >> I would be using it mostly for emails, a few general apts (like music >> streams and libre office), and a bit of amateur coding. I am not a gamer. >> >> If it is a windows machine, I'd like to load on a linux based os >> >> Suggestions? >> >> Ron >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UE5BM… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2TAOH… >

Sept. 18, 2020

Re: desktop advice

by Aljerin Butler,Jr.

Hi Ron, You might try looking around on my website here.I purchased my last desktop locally from Thinkmate (formerly PCs For Everyone) out of Norwood, now located in Waltham and Cambridge. If things are the same, you can design your own desktop - something you might be able to do with some of the other companies also. While you're at it you can search here for open source alternative software. Al ButlerCustom Desktop Solutions On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 7:48:14 AM EDT, THE HAMMER via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: I want to consider getting a new desktop computer. Can anyone advise me as to a specific model and place to purchase from? It's been a long time since I've bought new. I would be using it mostly for emails, a few general apts (like music streams and libre office), and a bit of amateur coding. I am not a gamer. If it is a windows machine, I'd like to load on a linux based os Suggestions? Ron _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UE5BM…

Sept. 18, 2020

Mini Debian Conference Online #2

by Dennis Payne

Debian is running a mini online conference in Nov. It is specifically about gaming. I've offered a talk on Gamerzilla, my open source achievement system for games. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/internet/2020/MiniDebConfOnline2 -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://social.freegamedev.net/channel/dulsi

Sept. 16, 2020

Re: desktop advice

by Richard Klein

My last few computers have been used Dell or HP workstations, mostly off-lease from a couple ebay sellers I have experience with. One was from a WPI student off craigslist. They all do great with Linux and I've had no regrets. A couple ebay sellers I've had good luck with: https://www.ebay.com/str/dellofficialrefurbishedstore https://www.ebay.com/str/enviroit -- Rich On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 7:48 AM THE HAMMER via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I want to consider getting a new desktop computer. Can anyone advise me > as to a specific model and place to purchase from? It's been a long time > since I've bought new. > > I would be using it mostly for emails, a few general apts (like music > streams and libre office), and a bit of amateur coding. I am not a gamer. > > If it is a windows machine, I'd like to load on a linux based os > > Suggestions? > > Ron > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UE5BM… >

Sept. 15, 2020

Re: desktop advice

by Mike Peckar

I cross reference passmark cpu ratings with refurbs and discontinued items on ebay in my price range. Sometimes I opt for the squaretrade, other times not. Similar to the System76 meerkat is the Intel NUC, on which I run an ubuntu image from Canonical. Mike On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 10:19 AM Andy Stewart via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > On 9/15/20 7:47 AM, THE HAMMER via WLUG wrote: > > I want to consider getting a new desktop computer. Can anyone advise me > as to > > a specific model and place to purchase from? It's been a long time > since I've > > bought new. > > > > I would be using it mostly for emails, a few general apts (like music > streams > > and libre office), and a bit of amateur coding. I am not a gamer. > > > > If it is a windows machine, I'd like to load on a linux based os > > > > Suggestions? > > > > Ron > > > Hi Ron et al, > > I have a System76 meerkat with Intel graphics that works very well for > me. I > use it for general purposes (email, web surfing, occasional Libre Office, > etc), > but I also hammer on it at times doing lengthy compiles and creating 3 GB > ISO > files (in 2-3 minutes!!). > > I'm running a remastered version of Ubuntu 18.04.*. > > https://system76.com/desktops/meerkat > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) > Vice President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) > Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/M2YWJ… >

Sept. 15, 2020

Re: desktop advice

by Andy Stewart

On 9/15/20 7:47 AM, THE HAMMER via WLUG wrote: > I want to consider getting a new desktop computer. Can anyone advise me as to > a specific model and place to purchase from? It's been a long time since I've > bought new. > > I would be using it mostly for emails, a few general apts (like music streams > and libre office), and a bit of amateur coding. I am not a gamer. > > If it is a windows machine, I'd like to load on a linux based os > > Suggestions? > > Ron Hi Ron et al, I have a System76 meerkat with Intel graphics that works very well for me. I use it for general purposes (email, web surfing, occasional Libre Office, etc), but I also hammer on it at times doing lengthy compiles and creating 3 GB ISO files (in 2-3 minutes!!). I'm running a remastered version of Ubuntu 18.04.*. https://system76.com/desktops/meerkat Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Vice President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group

Sept. 15, 2020

Re: desktop advice

by Doug Mildram

Desktops haven't needed to evolve much in the 201x decade. Though I've had my head in the sand as usual, enjoying my 8-15 yr old desktops, 1 older w/ side panel removed, breathing max air at my knees. Sorry for a lack of RECOMMENDATION (maybe Dell Optiplex though), all depends on.... Silly Q's to ask yourself: do I like or dislike SMALL factor w/ half height cards, less air to cool? Do you like the quietest possible chassis or is a little white noise (maybe even blue lights) OK? Can you be happy with a minimal-ish video card, ie FANLESS? (even these can do a lot) And all them audio/video preference details ( HDMI, is that useful? ..........digital optical sound out? Little things... ) and big things like onboard RAID and fitting raid1 or whatever IN your case/chassis, or not. Finally for me, how about: Do you hate being "locked into" a brand/mfgr, even it it just means you shop@Dell when your Dell power supply dies? It's not that wide of a limitation, you can customize most everything else, so I'm ok w/that... What used to matter even in a brick-store-alive world is WHERE(ok, just another mfgr-preference now) YOU BOUGHT IT, which of course matters less to "us" geeky fix-it-yourself types. -doug On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 7:48 AM THE HAMMER via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I want to consider getting a new desktop computer. Can anyone advise me > as to a specific model and place to purchase from? It's been a long time > since I've bought new. > > I would be using it mostly for emails, a few general apts (like music > streams and libre office), and a bit of amateur coding. I am not a gamer. > > If it is a windows machine, I'd like to load on a linux based os > > Suggestions? > > Ron > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UE5BM… >

Sept. 15, 2020

Re: desktop advice

by Stephen Breaux

I would look into one of the mainstream e-sellers.. Also depends on your location and if you can get to the microcenter in Cambridge.. As you can get a lot of info. Just watch out for the push one or two sales staff. But there you can see and touch the hardware.. Then they will price match alot of places including NewEgg.. The main parts I would make sure is compatibility with the Linux distro you're going to use. On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 8:56 AM Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > My general response to someone asking about a desktop computer: > > If you aren't gaming or doing something else that requires lots of memory > or graphics support, any modern computer will do what you need. > > I've liked System 76 computers but there insistence on using Nvidia has > decreased my interest. I haven't looked at desktops in a long while so I > can't say I have anyone to recommend. > > On Tue, 2020-09-15 at 11:47 +0000, THE HAMMER via WLUG wrote: > > I want to consider getting a new desktop computer. Can anyone advise me > as to a specific model and place to purchase from? It's been a long time > since I've bought new. > > I would be using it mostly for emails, a few general apts (like music > streams and libre office), and a bit of amateur coding. I am not a gamer. > > If it is a windows machine, I'd like to load on a linux based os > > Suggestions? > > Ron > > -- > > Dennis Payne > dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com > https://social.freegamedev.net/channel/dulsi > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/EA3KP… >

Sept. 15, 2020

Re: desktop advice

by Dennis Payne

My general response to someone asking about a desktop computer: If you aren't gaming or doing something else that requires lots of memory or graphics support, any modern computer will do what you need. I've liked System 76 computers but there insistence on using Nvidia has decreased my interest. I haven't looked at desktops in a long while so I can't say I have anyone to recommend. On Tue, 2020-09-15 at 11:47 +0000, THE HAMMER via WLUG wrote: > I want to consider getting a new desktop computer. Can anyone advise > me as to a specific model and place to purchase from? It's been a > long time since I've bought new. > > > > > > > > I would be using it mostly for emails, a few general apts (like music > streams and libre office), and a bit of amateur coding. I am not a > gamer. > > > > > If it is a windows machine, I'd like to load on a linux based os > > > > > > > > > > Suggestions? > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://social.freegamedev.net/channel/dulsi

Sept. 15, 2020

Re: [EXT] desktop advice

by John Eismeier

Ron, I want to try: https://www.pine64.org/pinebook-pro/ my 2017 laptop was ASUS runnig Ubuntu but it was a little more $$$ THE HAMMER via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I want to consider getting a new desktop computer. Can anyone advise me as to a specific model and place to purchase from? It's been a long time since I've bought new. > > I would be using it mostly for emails, a few general apts (like music streams and libre office), and a bit of amateur coding. I am not a gamer. > > If it is a windows machine, I'd like to load on a linux based os > > Suggestions? > > Ron > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… > Change Settings: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… > Web Forum/Archive: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… -- John 508.735.3640

Sept. 15, 2020

desktop advice

by THE HAMMER

I want to consider getting a new desktop computer. Can anyone advise me as to a specific model and place to purchase from? It's been a long time since I've bought new. I would be using it mostly for emails, a few general apts (like music streams and libre office), and a bit of amateur coding. I am not a gamer. If it is a windows machine, I'd like to load on a linux based os Suggestions? Ron

Sept. 15, 2020

Re: Thanks everybody, last nights virtual meeting was great!

by Mher Mnatsakanyan

What a handful of information in two emails. Thank you very much. Well a lot to check and learn. In any case, I am preparing myself for the RHCSA exam this December. The more Linux staff the better it is for me. Respectfully, Mher Mnatsakanyan On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 21:22, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Mher, > > Another way you can "sharpen your skills" is to check out the objectives > of the Linux Professional Institute's LPIC-1 and LPIC-2 tests (lpi.org) > > https://www.lpi.org/our-certifications/lpic-1-overview > > https://www.lpi.org/our-certifications/lpic-2-overview > > Although we do list training partners and offer some training materials, > we do not do training ourselves, only certifications. We have 180,000 > certified people in over 180 countries. > > If you look through our objectives for each level and you can honestly say > that you can do each objective, then you have the skills that many > companies want. If you get to some of the objectives and say "I do not > know how to do that", then you can spend some of your time looking it up > and practicing so when you go for that interview and are asked about it you > can tell them with confidence that you can do it. > > For full disclosure, I am the Board Chair of LPI. > > Good luck in your job hunt. > > maddog > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 8:45 PM Aljerin Butler,Jr. via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Hello Mher, >> >> Perhaps you can start here >> <https://www.indeed.com/q-Linux-System-Administrator-Work-From-Home-jobs.html> >> to look for a Linux sysadmin position. If you want to do a wider search, >> perhaps this >> <http://customdesktopsolutions.mywebcommunity.org/index.php/linux-system-adm…> >> is more helpful. >> If you want to take advantage of your time at home here is where you can >> strengthen your skills >> <http://customdesktopsolutions.mywebcommunity.org/index.php/linux-system-adm…> >> . >> >> Hope this helps, >> Al Butler >> Custom Desktop Solutions >> <http://customdesktopsolutions.mywebcommunity.org/> >> >> >> >> >> On Saturday, September 12, 2020, 10:46:40 AM EDT, Mher Mnatsakanyan via >> WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> >> Hello everyone. >> >> Zori told me that you guys had another wonderful WLUG meeting yesterday. >> I wish I could also make it to the WLUG meeting yesterday. >> >> It's been over three months now that I was among the 250 people (1/3 of >> the company) that got laid off because of COVID19 crisis from Bullhorn. I >> was one of their Linux Sys Admins. >> >> If any of you guys know of any entry level Sysadmin positions locally. >> Please keep me in mind if something pops up. >> >> I really appreciate it. >> >> Hope to see you at next month's meeting. >> >> Respectfully, >> Mher Mnatsakanyan >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 16:22, John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >> >> I wish I had know about the meeting, I would have loved to join. >> Silly me for not checking the website at least. >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/N55FK… >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ANJ2C… >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RIXNO… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MR3MO… >

Sept. 13, 2020

Re: Thanks everybody, last nights virtual meeting was great!

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Mher, Another way you can "sharpen your skills" is to check out the objectives of the Linux Professional Institute's LPIC-1 and LPIC-2 tests (lpi.org) https://www.lpi.org/our-certifications/lpic-1-overview https://www.lpi.org/our-certifications/lpic-2-overview Although we do list training partners and offer some training materials, we do not do training ourselves, only certifications. We have 180,000 certified people in over 180 countries. If you look through our objectives for each level and you can honestly say that you can do each objective, then you have the skills that many companies want. If you get to some of the objectives and say "I do not know how to do that", then you can spend some of your time looking it up and practicing so when you go for that interview and are asked about it you can tell them with confidence that you can do it. For full disclosure, I am the Board Chair of LPI. Good luck in your job hunt. maddog On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 8:45 PM Aljerin Butler,Jr. via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hello Mher, > > Perhaps you can start here > <https://www.indeed.com/q-Linux-System-Administrator-Work-From-Home-jobs.html> > to look for a Linux sysadmin position. If you want to do a wider search, > perhaps this > <http://customdesktopsolutions.mywebcommunity.org/index.php/linux-system-adm…> > is more helpful. > If you want to take advantage of your time at home here is where you can > strengthen your skills > <http://customdesktopsolutions.mywebcommunity.org/index.php/linux-system-adm…> > . > > Hope this helps, > Al Butler > Custom Desktop Solutions > <http://customdesktopsolutions.mywebcommunity.org/> > > > > > On Saturday, September 12, 2020, 10:46:40 AM EDT, Mher Mnatsakanyan via > WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > Hello everyone. > > Zori told me that you guys had another wonderful WLUG meeting yesterday. I > wish I could also make it to the WLUG meeting yesterday. > > It's been over three months now that I was among the 250 people (1/3 of > the company) that got laid off because of COVID19 crisis from Bullhorn. I > was one of their Linux Sys Admins. > > If any of you guys know of any entry level Sysadmin positions locally. > Please keep me in mind if something pops up. > > I really appreciate it. > > Hope to see you at next month's meeting. > > Respectfully, > Mher Mnatsakanyan > > > > > > On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 16:22, John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > I wish I had know about the meeting, I would have loved to join. > Silly me for not checking the website at least. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/N55FK… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ANJ2C… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RIXNO… >

Sept. 13, 2020

Re: Thanks everybody, last nights virtual meeting was great!

by Aljerin Butler,Jr.

Hello Mher, Perhaps you can start here to look for a Linux sysadmin position. If you want to do a wider search, perhaps this is more helpful. If you want to take advantage of your time at home here is where you can strengthen your skills. Hope this helps,Al Butler Custom Desktop Solutions On Saturday, September 12, 2020, 10:46:40 AM EDT, Mher Mnatsakanyan via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: Hello everyone. Zori told me that you guys had another wonderful WLUG meeting yesterday. I wish I could also make it to the WLUG meeting yesterday. It's been over three months now that I was among the 250 people (1/3 of the company) that got laid off because of COVID19 crisis from Bullhorn. I was one of their Linux Sys Admins. If any of you guys know of any entry level Sysadmin positions locally. Please keep me in mind if something pops up. I really appreciate it. Hope to see you at next month's meeting. Respectfully,Mher Mnatsakanyan On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 16:22, John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: I wish I had know about the meeting, I would have loved to join. Silly me for not checking the website at least. _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/N55FK… _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ANJ2C…

Sept. 13, 2020

Re: Thanks everybody, last nights virtual meeting was great!

by Mher Mnatsakanyan

Hello everyone. Zori told me that you guys had another wonderful WLUG meeting yesterday. I wish I could also make it to the WLUG meeting yesterday. It's been over three months now that I was among the 250 people (1/3 of the company) that got laid off because of COVID19 crisis from Bullhorn. I was one of their Linux Sys Admins. If any of you guys know of any entry level Sysadmin positions locally. Please keep me in mind if something pops up. I really appreciate it. Hope to see you at next month's meeting. Respectfully, Mher Mnatsakanyan On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 16:22, John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > I wish I had know about the meeting, I would have loved to join. > Silly me for not checking the website at least. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/N55FK… >

Sept. 12, 2020

Re: Thanks everybody, last nights virtual meeting was great!

by John Stoffel

I wish I had know about the meeting, I would have loved to join. Silly me for not checking the website at least.

Sept. 11, 2020

Re: Thanks everybody, last nights virtual meeting was great!

by Joel

It was fun to chat and laugh last night. See you all next month month. Joel ( AKA BooBoo) P.S. I think my 13 year old son changed my Jitsi name. So, Verify First then Payback ... On September 11, 2020 9:54:36 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > The mailing list is working again, thanks Chuck! > > Last night's meeting was great! It was fun to nerd out with everybody. > > Unless things drastically change, I suspect we'll be virtual for October as well. > > Later, > Tim. > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VY7OW…

Sept. 11, 2020

Thanks everybody, last nights virtual meeting was great!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, The mailing list is working again, thanks Chuck! Last night's meeting was great! It was fun to nerd out with everybody. Unless things drastically change, I suspect we'll be virtual for October as well. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 11, 2020

computer requirements for jit.si

by Chuck Anderson

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 09:49:27PM -0400, Keith Wright wrote: > > I am thinking of getting a computer that can do jit.si. > > > > Any recommendations? Jit.si just requires a modern web browser to participate in a conference. My 5 year old laptop with Fedora 32 and Firefox 80 works fine. The browser itself will request permissions to use your microphone and camera if you have them. You could also just listen and view the video and chat in the chat box if you don't have a mic or camera.

Sept. 11, 2020

Re: this is a test

by Michael Voorhis

On 9/10/20 9:49 PM, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > Chuck can send, can I? Nope, you can't send.

Sept. 11, 2020

Re: this is a test

by Keith Wright

Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > This concludes this test of the WLUG list. Sorry, I am still testing. Chuck can send, can I? Sorry I couldn't make it to the meeting earlier today. Last time I tested the list, I asked a question relevant to that. Nobody answered yet. > I am thinking of getting a computer that can do jit.si. > > Any recommendations? > > -- Keith

Sept. 11, 2020

this is a test

by Chuck Anderson

This is a test of the WLUG email list. This is only a test. If this had been an actual post, the subject line you just read would have been followed by official news, information, or random Linux blather. This concludes this test of the WLUG list. .

Sept. 11, 2020

Re: Administrivia - WLUG Mailing List

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 05:06:12PM -0400, Keith Wright wrote: > Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > I went through a backup of the member list I have from 2018, > > But somebody needs to backup more often. It is a manual process to download the CSV member list and I don't have CLI or direct database access. I'll try to do that more often, but that still won't have the member delivery preferences, etc. However, our Mailman 3 host provided a Postgres backup from Tuesday which I was able to restore from. I went through and removed, added, and set the delivery preferences for 25 or so email addresses. Thanks to mailman3.com for saving the day!

Aug. 20, 2020

Re: Administrivia - WLUG Mailing List

by Eric Martin

Thanks Chuck! Eric > On Aug 19, 2020, at 7:57 PM, Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > I didn't receive this; test failed. ;) > >> On 8/19/20 5:06 PM, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: >> This is a test. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3JDBZ…

Aug. 20, 2020

Re: recent post, Technocopia, hybrid meetings

by Andrew Oprea

open source robotics? I'm for it! On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 7:20 PM Kevin Harrington via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > As a theme, i would be interested in showing off the latest revisions of BowlerStudio and open source robotics in general. thoughts? > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 6:47 AM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> I removed & banned the drive-by-spammer. >> >> Here is Technocopia's website for those interested: >> >> https://technocopia.org/ >> >> I like the idea of Hybrid meetings--some participants remote and some >> in-person. It's hard to do well, though. Does Technocopia have a >> videoconferencing setup with an in-room camera/mic system, projector, >> and PC that could join Jitsi? Maybe we could help them set one up. >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/SW5UB… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PYIQU…

Aug. 20, 2020

Re: Administrivia - WLUG Mailing List

by Michael Voorhis

I didn't receive this; test failed. ;) On 8/19/20 5:06 PM, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > This is a test.

Aug. 19, 2020

Re: Administrivia - WLUG Mailing List

by Keith Wright

This is a test. Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Sorry everyone. Thank you for your work. > We had more spam problems on the WLUG Mailing List > last night, and in the process of trying to remove that user I > accidentally removed everyone. I partly blame the poor Admin user > interface of Postorius--it has a "Unsubscribe All" button at the top > of the Member list even if that list has been filtered and says "List > Members (1)" due to the filter. So it is easy to misinterpret "All" > as being just the Members that are currently listed due to the filter. Indeed. Why is there such a button at all? > I went through a backup of the member list I have from 2018, But somebody needs to backup more often. -- Keith

Aug. 19, 2020

Re: Administrivia - WLUG Mailing List

by Bob

Not a fun job, Chuck. Sorry it happened. Bob On 8/19/2020 8:51 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: > Sorry everyone. We had more spam problems on the WLUG Mailing List > last night, and in the process of trying to remove that user I > accidentally removed everyone. I partly blame the poor Admin user <clip>

Aug. 19, 2020

Re: recent post, Technocopia, hybrid meetings

by Kevin Harrington

As a theme, i would be interested in showing off the latest revisions of BowlerStudio and open source robotics in general. thoughts? On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 6:47 AM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I removed & banned the drive-by-spammer. > > Here is Technocopia's website for those interested: > > https://technocopia.org/ > > I like the idea of Hybrid meetings--some participants remote and some > in-person. It's hard to do well, though. Does Technocopia have a > videoconferencing setup with an in-room camera/mic system, projector, > and PC that could join Jitsi? Maybe we could help them set one up. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/SW5UB… >

Aug. 19, 2020

Administrivia - WLUG Mailing List

by Chuck Anderson

Sorry everyone. We had more spam problems on the WLUG Mailing List last night, and in the process of trying to remove that user I accidentally removed everyone. I partly blame the poor Admin user interface of Postorius--it has a "Unsubscribe All" button at the top of the Member list even if that list has been filtered and says "List Members (1)" due to the filter. So it is easy to misinterpret "All" as being just the Members that are currently listed due to the filter. I went through a backup of the member list I have from 2018, edited the list based on all the subscription/remove requests since then, and resubscribed everyone who hadn't removed themselves since. I could have missed some email addresses, so I apologize if you have been accidentally resubscribed when you shouldn't have been--feel free to email me directly and I'll fix that. I could have also missed some new subscriptions, so if you know someone who should be subscribed but complains that they are no longer receiving posts, please let them know to resubscribe. I'm not sure if each user's subscription options have been retained, so if you had set no email delivery or digest mode for example, you may have to reconfigure that. Finally, I have configured the mailing list to require moderator approval for new membership requests and posts from all existing members until I know that the member isn't a spammer. Over the next few days I'll be going through the member list and unsetting moderation on "known good" members.

Aug. 19, 2020

recent spam, Technocopia, meetings, Jitsi computer

by Keith Wright

Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I removed & banned the drive-by-spammer. Looks like it didn't work. salihagenter--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Thank you. I am a staff at **** It will be interesting to see if the stupid chat bot thanks me for this message. I have not gone anywhere except two doctor appointments since the beginning of March. I have close friends and near-lovers I have not seen for six months. Sorry, but an in-person WLUG meeting is not even on the list. I am thinking of getting a computer that can do jit.si. Any recommendations? -- Keith

Aug. 18, 2020

recent post, Technocopia, hybrid meetings

by Chuck Anderson

I removed & banned the drive-by-spammer. Here is Technocopia's website for those interested: https://technocopia.org/ I like the idea of Hybrid meetings--some participants remote and some in-person. It's hard to do well, though. Does Technocopia have a videoconferencing setup with an in-room camera/mic system, projector, and PC that could join Jitsi? Maybe we could help them set one up.

Aug. 18, 2020

Re: Great News! Technopia is now open to the public!

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Aug. 18, 2020

Reminder: WLUG meeting tonight

by Tim Keller

We've got a meeting tonight. We're online and jabbering away. https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 13, 2020

Re: Great News! Technopia is now open to the public!

by Jon "maddog" Hall

>I'm amenable to waiting another month or two if people are still weary. I am weary of virtual meetings but wary of physical ones unless masks and distancing is done. Maybe you could have a hybrid one. That might reduce the room size needed. md On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 5:51 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > I just checked the website and Technopia is now open to the public. So... > not this meeting, but hopefully the next one we can have in person! > > Please let me know how you feel about physical meetings. I'm amenable to > waiting another month or two if people are still weary. > > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/DBLHF… >

Aug. 13, 2020

Re: Great News! Technopia is now open to the public!

by Joel

I could be up for in person meeting in October or later. Just when I will be back in the Worcester area. Joel On August 12, 2020 5:51:29 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > I just checked the website and Technopia is now open to the public. So... not this meeting, but hopefully the next one we can have in person! > > Please let me know how you feel about physical meetings. I'm amenable to waiting another month or two if people are still weary. > > Later, > Tim. > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/DBLHF…

Aug. 12, 2020

Re: [EXT] Great News! Technopia is now open to the public!

by Krichevsky, Nicholas J.

I don't attend often, so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I can say that personally I wouldn't be comfortable with an in person meeting. ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 5:50:54 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Great News! Technopia is now open to the public! Hey Gang, I just checked the website and Technopia is now open to the public. So... not this meeting, but hopefully the next one we can have in person! Please let me know how you feel about physical meetings. I'm amenable to waiting another month or two if people are still weary. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 12, 2020

Reminder: Virtual Meeting Tomorrow!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, We've got a virtual meeting tomorrow here: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Starting at 7pm until you know whenever.. I fully expect like our last meetings, it'll go off the rails and we'll end up talking about Linux and filesystems, and 3d printers and sci-fi and in general just a bunch of nerds reveling in our nerdom. See you tomorrow! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 12, 2020

Great News! Technopia is now open to the public!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, I just checked the website and Technopia is now open to the public. So... not this meeting, but hopefully the next one we can have in person! Please let me know how you feel about physical meetings. I'm amenable to waiting another month or two if people are still weary. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 12, 2020

We've got a meeting on Thursday!!!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting on Thursday! The pandemic continues and Technopia continues to be closed so we'll continue to meet virtually at our same location... I hope everybody is doing okay. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 11, 2020

Re: asterisk or other linux pbx

by John Stoffel

Bradley> I’m considering a move from a traditional (and proprietary) Bradley> PBX to something open-source that i can manage. I know very Bradley> little about this, so i’m trying to understand if my goal is Bradley> even possible. Given that our provider (i.e. gatekeeper) is Bradley> Comcast, i worry they prevent running self-hosted VOIP Bradley> boxes. Currently the office has 4 lines supplied by Bradley> comcast. The comcast cable modem has 4 telephone lines going Bradley> into a Panasonic PBX, which they dispatch the calls to the Bradley> POTS phones. I want to replace the Panasonic PBX since its Bradley> proprietary and requires a call into the phone company to Bradley> change anything. Bradley> I have very little knowledge in this area, so i’m wondering Bradley> if anyone here has had experience in this area. At my church we have used 8x8 for VOIP service with some cisco VOIP phones, without problems. Though the cost got too much for us over time. For a business, maybe the first step would be to move to an external VOIP provider like 8x8 before you try to selfhost. If you have a comcast business service, with static IPs, then I'm going to assume you would be all set to host your own PBX. But for four lines... running asterix might be more than you want to do. Though I'm sure there are some vendors out there who will provide on-premise asterix solutions. The tricky part, I think, is getting your numbers ported over, especially if you're doing it yourself. Again, I'd do with a hosted solution, then play with asterix using a fifth number as a self hosted solution. John

July 24, 2020

Re: asterisk or other linux pbx

by Richard Goodman

I can't speak to PBX, but I have four Ooma VOIP boxes on my Charter (business) internet, and there have never been any issues; it just works Dick At 08:17 PM 7/21/2020, you wrote: >Hi All, > >Iâm considering a move from a traditional (and >proprietary) PBX to something open-source that i >can manage. I know very little about this, so >iâm trying to understand if my goal is even >possible. Given that our provider (i.e. >gatekeeper) is Comcast, i worry they prevent >running self-hosted VOIP boxes. Currently the >office has 4 lines supplied by comcast. The >comcast cable modem has 4 telephone lines going >into a Panasonic PBX, which they dispatch the >calls to the POTS phones. I want to replace the >Panasonic PBX since its proprietary and requires >a call into the phone company to change anything. > >I have very little knowledge in this area, so >iâm wondering if anyone here has had experience in this area. > >Thanks! > - brad > >_______________________________________________ >WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >Change Settings: >https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >Web Forum/Archive: >https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/72YV7…

July 22, 2020

asterisk or other linux pbx

by Bradley Noyes

Hi All, I’m considering a move from a traditional (and proprietary) PBX to something open-source that i can manage. I know very little about this, so i’m trying to understand if my goal is even possible. Given that our provider (i.e. gatekeeper) is Comcast, i worry they prevent running self-hosted VOIP boxes. Currently the office has 4 lines supplied by comcast. The comcast cable modem has 4 telephone lines going into a Panasonic PBX, which they dispatch the calls to the POTS phones. I want to replace the Panasonic PBX since its proprietary and requires a call into the phone company to change anything. I have very little knowledge in this area, so i’m wondering if anyone here has had experience in this area. Thanks! - brad

July 22, 2020

Reminder! Meeting tonight! Topic: min.io demo and then general discussion at 7PM!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, We've got a meeting tonight at 7PM! It's still virtual because you know, the pandemic. Hopefully in the future we'll be able to stand 6' apart from each other and hang out! But until then, there's Jitsi! We'll be meeting here: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA at 7PM! We'll likely jibber jab until it's late.. My neighbors house may or may not catch on fire again! I'm going to show off Min.IO running in a docker container. I can show the web interface and then we'll stick some objects in the container. I know that several other WLUG members are also using it in production so it'll be interesting to get their take on it as well. Then I suspect we'll end up talking about all things nerdy! See you! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 9, 2020

Re: recommended printer/3-in-1 laser B+W for general (Linux and Windows clients)

by Tim Keller

It's not that big of a deal as there is a touch screen on the front that'll tell me what the ink levels are. On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:45 PM Andrew Oprea via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > From Linux I can't see the ink levels, that's my only annoyance. > I'm under the impression that "Ink Levels" in that printer and my Envy > 4500 is really "page count" > I don't think there is any type of sensor, but I'll keep an eye out > for interesting behavior as I'm all set to refill my own cartridges > now... > > -drew > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 10:30 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > > Doug, > > > > Granted, not an laserjet printer, but for what it's worth I've got the > $179 HP Envy 7155 All-in-one inkjet printer. > > > > Networking is wireless only. Both printing and scanning just work on > Ubuntu. > > From Linux I can't see the ink levels, that's my only annoyance. > > We buy the XL print cartridges which seem to last a long time.. > > > > Thanks, > > Tim. > > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 7:20 PM Doug Mildram via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> > >> Thanks! Gotta buy something uncursed, and > >> the curse may vary per user so I feel positive on my hopes when I > choose/toss-dart/intuit the right new....still sleeping on it..... hp or ? > lightweight ( sits near my knees, barely fits ). > >> > >> > >> But how do we know the Linux driver? printers.conf and output of lpinfo > -v > >> seem cryptic if they do show a driver (.ppd?) > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 4:33 PM Chuck Anderson <cra(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > >>> > >>> I've never had any problems printing from Linux to HP printers > connected via IP over Ethernet or via USB. I've also had good luck with HP > and Fujitsu Snascan scanners via USB, but not over the network. Scanning > over the network is something I haven't figured out since I scan so > infrequently and I just go plug the laptop into the scanner via USB. > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 01:06:04PM -0400, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: > >>> > Hi! Hope this doesnt start a HUGE preference debate, but I'm taking > feedback > >>> > on what some of you already know to be a "solid" not too big laser > >>> > black+white, > >>> > flatbed/top scanner+copier (no top sheet feeder please, adds too much > >>> > space/width) > >>> > BUT THE PAIN is always in the PRINTER drivers/software, win or > linux, in my > >>> > experience. > >>> > > >>> > Honestly, been battling w/PDF's too long, to an old-ish Brother > HL-L2395DW > >>> > 3-in-1 > >>> > --I'm working mostly on Linux Mint 19 (a deviant ubuntu I highly > recommend > >>> > for ex-win users) > >>> > --Printing most things OK. IIRC, didnt have to find Linux drivers > the hard > >>> > way. > >>> > --Printing PDF's gets iffy. LibreOffice sometimes cures my blues; > >>> > DocumentViewer is probably the worst, "evince" also iffy, etc. > >>> > Sometimes "Data received"....ends with a silent chirp, > >>> > sometimes printer panel indicates a quick reject (nothing printed) > saying > >>> > "Out of Memory", > >>> > BUT REALLY it's not the job == big, I think it > >>> > must be a nasty runaway/leaky PDF->driver thing, but if I > >>> > -- copy/email/send the nasty job to a win7 laptop and use AcroRead, > USUALLY > >>> > gets it done. > >>> > > >>> > Until today when ALL seemed to fail, I'm ready to cough up a few > $hundred > >>> > for a better beast, > >>> > with wired ethernet+USB though I suppose it's pointless to avoid > wireLESS > >>> > interface as long as it does wired ethernet. Oh look! Today's > impossible > >>> > job just came out, from where! Losing my mind. > >>> > > >>> > Budget: since not color, I could go over $300 or so, where most of > the > >>> > decent ones sit. > >>> > Been an HP fan for a long time, but things change, and I'm open to > other > >>> > solid models. Thx! > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >> Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WEERB… > > > > > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/O4JNP… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ANP67… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 9, 2020

Re: recommended printer/3-in-1 laser B+W for general (Linux and Windows clients)

by Andrew Oprea

> From Linux I can't see the ink levels, that's my only annoyance. I'm under the impression that "Ink Levels" in that printer and my Envy 4500 is really "page count" I don't think there is any type of sensor, but I'll keep an eye out for interesting behavior as I'm all set to refill my own cartridges now... -drew On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 10:30 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Doug, > > Granted, not an laserjet printer, but for what it's worth I've got the $179 HP Envy 7155 All-in-one inkjet printer. > > Networking is wireless only. Both printing and scanning just work on Ubuntu. > From Linux I can't see the ink levels, that's my only annoyance. > We buy the XL print cartridges which seem to last a long time.. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 7:20 PM Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> Thanks! Gotta buy something uncursed, and >> the curse may vary per user so I feel positive on my hopes when I choose/toss-dart/intuit the right new....still sleeping on it..... hp or ? lightweight ( sits near my knees, barely fits ). >> >> >> But how do we know the Linux driver? printers.conf and output of lpinfo -v >> seem cryptic if they do show a driver (.ppd?) >> >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 4:33 PM Chuck Anderson <cra(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: >>> >>> I've never had any problems printing from Linux to HP printers connected via IP over Ethernet or via USB. I've also had good luck with HP and Fujitsu Snascan scanners via USB, but not over the network. Scanning over the network is something I haven't figured out since I scan so infrequently and I just go plug the laptop into the scanner via USB. >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 01:06:04PM -0400, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: >>> > Hi! Hope this doesnt start a HUGE preference debate, but I'm taking feedback >>> > on what some of you already know to be a "solid" not too big laser >>> > black+white, >>> > flatbed/top scanner+copier (no top sheet feeder please, adds too much >>> > space/width) >>> > BUT THE PAIN is always in the PRINTER drivers/software, win or linux, in my >>> > experience. >>> > >>> > Honestly, been battling w/PDF's too long, to an old-ish Brother HL-L2395DW >>> > 3-in-1 >>> > --I'm working mostly on Linux Mint 19 (a deviant ubuntu I highly recommend >>> > for ex-win users) >>> > --Printing most things OK. IIRC, didnt have to find Linux drivers the hard >>> > way. >>> > --Printing PDF's gets iffy. LibreOffice sometimes cures my blues; >>> > DocumentViewer is probably the worst, "evince" also iffy, etc. >>> > Sometimes "Data received"....ends with a silent chirp, >>> > sometimes printer panel indicates a quick reject (nothing printed) saying >>> > "Out of Memory", >>> > BUT REALLY it's not the job == big, I think it >>> > must be a nasty runaway/leaky PDF->driver thing, but if I >>> > -- copy/email/send the nasty job to a win7 laptop and use AcroRead, USUALLY >>> > gets it done. >>> > >>> > Until today when ALL seemed to fail, I'm ready to cough up a few $hundred >>> > for a better beast, >>> > with wired ethernet+USB though I suppose it's pointless to avoid wireLESS >>> > interface as long as it does wired ethernet. Oh look! Today's impossible >>> > job just came out, from where! Losing my mind. >>> > >>> > Budget: since not color, I could go over $300 or so, where most of the >>> > decent ones sit. >>> > Been an HP fan for a long time, but things change, and I'm open to other >>> > solid models. Thx! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WEERB… > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/O4JNP…

July 9, 2020

Re: recommended printer/3-in-1 laser B+W for general (Linux and Windows clients)

by Tim Keller

Doug, Granted, not an laserjet printer, but for what it's worth I've got the $179 HP Envy 7155 All-in-one inkjet printer. Networking is wireless only. Both printing and scanning just work on Ubuntu. From Linux I can't see the ink levels, that's my only annoyance. We buy the XL print cartridges which seem to last a long time.. Thanks, Tim. On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 7:20 PM Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Thanks! Gotta buy something uncursed, and > the curse may vary per user so I feel positive on my hopes when I > choose/toss-dart/intuit the right new....still sleeping on it..... hp or ? > lightweight ( sits near my knees, barely fits ). > > > But how do we know the Linux driver? printers.conf and output of lpinfo -v > seem cryptic if they do show a driver (.ppd?) > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 4:33 PM Chuck Anderson <cra(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > >> I've never had any problems printing from Linux to HP printers connected >> via IP over Ethernet or via USB. I've also had good luck with HP and >> Fujitsu Snascan scanners via USB, but not over the network. Scanning over >> the network is something I haven't figured out since I scan so infrequently >> and I just go plug the laptop into the scanner via USB. >> >> On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 01:06:04PM -0400, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: >> > Hi! Hope this doesnt start a HUGE preference debate, but I'm taking >> feedback >> > on what some of you already know to be a "solid" not too big laser >> > black+white, >> > flatbed/top scanner+copier (no top sheet feeder please, adds too much >> > space/width) >> > BUT THE PAIN is always in the PRINTER drivers/software, win or linux, >> in my >> > experience. >> > >> > Honestly, been battling w/PDF's too long, to an old-ish Brother >> HL-L2395DW >> > 3-in-1 >> > --I'm working mostly on Linux Mint 19 (a deviant ubuntu I highly >> recommend >> > for ex-win users) >> > --Printing most things OK. IIRC, didnt have to find Linux drivers the >> hard >> > way. >> > --Printing PDF's gets iffy. LibreOffice sometimes cures my blues; >> > DocumentViewer is probably the worst, "evince" also iffy, etc. >> > Sometimes "Data received"....ends with a silent chirp, >> > sometimes printer panel indicates a quick reject (nothing printed) >> saying >> > "Out of Memory", >> > BUT REALLY it's not the job == big, I think it >> > must be a nasty runaway/leaky PDF->driver thing, but if I >> > -- copy/email/send the nasty job to a win7 laptop and use AcroRead, >> USUALLY >> > gets it done. >> > >> > Until today when ALL seemed to fail, I'm ready to cough up a few >> $hundred >> > for a better beast, >> > with wired ethernet+USB though I suppose it's pointless to avoid >> wireLESS >> > interface as long as it does wired ethernet. Oh look! Today's impossible >> > job just came out, from where! Losing my mind. >> > >> > Budget: since not color, I could go over $300 or so, where most of the >> > decent ones sit. >> > Been an HP fan for a long time, but things change, and I'm open to other >> > solid models. Thx! >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WEERB… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 9, 2020

Re: recommended printer/3-in-1 laser B+W for general (Linux and Windows clients)

by Doug Mildram

Thanks! Gotta buy something uncursed, and the curse may vary per user so I feel positive on my hopes when I choose/toss-dart/intuit the right new....still sleeping on it..... hp or ? lightweight ( sits near my knees, barely fits ). But how do we know the Linux driver? printers.conf and output of lpinfo -v seem cryptic if they do show a driver (.ppd?) On Wed, Jul 8, 2020, 4:33 PM Chuck Anderson <cra(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > I've never had any problems printing from Linux to HP printers connected > via IP over Ethernet or via USB. I've also had good luck with HP and > Fujitsu Snascan scanners via USB, but not over the network. Scanning over > the network is something I haven't figured out since I scan so infrequently > and I just go plug the laptop into the scanner via USB. > > On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 01:06:04PM -0400, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: > > Hi! Hope this doesnt start a HUGE preference debate, but I'm taking > feedback > > on what some of you already know to be a "solid" not too big laser > > black+white, > > flatbed/top scanner+copier (no top sheet feeder please, adds too much > > space/width) > > BUT THE PAIN is always in the PRINTER drivers/software, win or linux, in > my > > experience. > > > > Honestly, been battling w/PDF's too long, to an old-ish Brother > HL-L2395DW > > 3-in-1 > > --I'm working mostly on Linux Mint 19 (a deviant ubuntu I highly > recommend > > for ex-win users) > > --Printing most things OK. IIRC, didnt have to find Linux drivers the > hard > > way. > > --Printing PDF's gets iffy. LibreOffice sometimes cures my blues; > > DocumentViewer is probably the worst, "evince" also iffy, etc. > > Sometimes "Data received"....ends with a silent chirp, > > sometimes printer panel indicates a quick reject (nothing printed) saying > > "Out of Memory", > > BUT REALLY it's not the job == big, I think it > > must be a nasty runaway/leaky PDF->driver thing, but if I > > -- copy/email/send the nasty job to a win7 laptop and use AcroRead, > USUALLY > > gets it done. > > > > Until today when ALL seemed to fail, I'm ready to cough up a few $hundred > > for a better beast, > > with wired ethernet+USB though I suppose it's pointless to avoid wireLESS > > interface as long as it does wired ethernet. Oh look! Today's impossible > > job just came out, from where! Losing my mind. > > > > Budget: since not color, I could go over $300 or so, where most of the > > decent ones sit. > > Been an HP fan for a long time, but things change, and I'm open to other > > solid models. Thx! >

July 8, 2020

Re: recommended printer/3-in-1 laser B+W for general (Linux and Windows clients)

by John Stoffel

Here's a possibly useful source of recommendations. And laser, even color laser, is getting much cheaper these days. Consumables are the gotchas of course... https://haydenjames.io/finding-linux-compatible-printers/ I still think the Brother MFC are good. And network scanning works for me too using SANE and gscan2pdf. Really handy. My next printer will be a brother, but this one refuses to die...

July 8, 2020

Re: recommended printer/3-in-1 laser B+W for general (Linux and Windows clients)

by Chuck Anderson

I've never had any problems printing from Linux to HP printers connected via IP over Ethernet or via USB. I've also had good luck with HP and Fujitsu Snascan scanners via USB, but not over the network. Scanning over the network is something I haven't figured out since I scan so infrequently and I just go plug the laptop into the scanner via USB. On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 01:06:04PM -0400, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: > Hi! Hope this doesnt start a HUGE preference debate, but I'm taking feedback > on what some of you already know to be a "solid" not too big laser > black+white, > flatbed/top scanner+copier (no top sheet feeder please, adds too much > space/width) > BUT THE PAIN is always in the PRINTER drivers/software, win or linux, in my > experience. > > Honestly, been battling w/PDF's too long, to an old-ish Brother HL-L2395DW > 3-in-1 > --I'm working mostly on Linux Mint 19 (a deviant ubuntu I highly recommend > for ex-win users) > --Printing most things OK. IIRC, didnt have to find Linux drivers the hard > way. > --Printing PDF's gets iffy. LibreOffice sometimes cures my blues; > DocumentViewer is probably the worst, "evince" also iffy, etc. > Sometimes "Data received"....ends with a silent chirp, > sometimes printer panel indicates a quick reject (nothing printed) saying > "Out of Memory", > BUT REALLY it's not the job == big, I think it > must be a nasty runaway/leaky PDF->driver thing, but if I > -- copy/email/send the nasty job to a win7 laptop and use AcroRead, USUALLY > gets it done. > > Until today when ALL seemed to fail, I'm ready to cough up a few $hundred > for a better beast, > with wired ethernet+USB though I suppose it's pointless to avoid wireLESS > interface as long as it does wired ethernet. Oh look! Today's impossible > job just came out, from where! Losing my mind. > > Budget: since not color, I could go over $300 or so, where most of the > decent ones sit. > Been an HP fan for a long time, but things change, and I'm open to other > solid models. Thx!

July 8, 2020

Re: recommended printer/3-in-1 laser B+W for general (Linux and Windows clients)

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Doug" == Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Doug> Hi! Hope this doesnt start a HUGE preference debate, but I'm Doug> taking feedback on what some of you already know to be a "solid" Doug> not too big laser black+white, flatbed/top scanner+copier (no Doug> top sheet feeder please, adds too much space/width) BUT THE PAIN Doug> is always in the PRINTER drivers/software, win or linux, in my Doug> experience. So you want an MFC type device. I'm still using my Brother MFC-8860DN from June 2006 without major problems. It's the older BR2 postscript engine, and the SANE drivers aren't supported on new linux distros because they use a library that's not available any more. I should be able to fix it with some LD_* trickery, but instead I just SSH into an older box with the library and run the GUI over X. Doug> Honestly, been battling w/PDF's too long, to an old-ish Brother Doug> HL-L2395DW 3-in-1 Which driver are you using? It looks like it only support the BR3 PostScript, so make sure your driver is using that release. And make sure that you have cups configured with the right PPD for the printer. Doug> --I'm working mostly on Linux Mint 19 (a deviant ubuntu I highly Doug> recommend for ex-win users) Me too... Doug> --Printing most things OK. IIRC, didnt have to find Linux drivers the hard way. Yup. Every once in a while is flakes out on me too. Doug> --Printing PDF's gets iffy. LibreOffice sometimes cures my blues; Doug> DocumentViewer is probably the worst, "evince" also iffy, etc. Doug> Sometimes "Data received"....ends with a silent chirp, Doug> sometimes printer panel indicates a quick reject (nothing printed) saying "Out of Memory", Doug> BUT REALLY it's not the job == big, I think it Doug> must be a nasty runaway/leaky PDF->driver thing, but if I Doug> -- copy/email/send the nasty job to a win7 laptop and use AcroRead, USUALLY gets it done. Have you tried using one of the PDF to PDF converters to sanitize the output? Doug> Until today when ALL seemed to fail, I'm ready to cough up a few Doug> $hundred for a better beast, with wired ethernet+USB though I Doug> suppose it's pointless to avoid wireLESS interface as long as it Doug> does wired ethernet. Oh look! Today's impossible job just came Doug> out, from where! Losing my mind. I'd seriosuly be tempted with another Brother printer, using the latest BR4 PostScript engine. But I'd also go color laser too. Doug> Budget: since not color, I could go over $300 or so, where most Doug> of the decent ones sit. Been an HP fan for a long time, but Doug> things change, and I'm open to other solid models. Thx! Still recommend the Brother printers, they have Linux support for sure on their web site, so you have to give them that. John

July 8, 2020

recommended printer/3-in-1 laser B+W for general (Linux and Windows clients)

by Doug Mildram

Hi! Hope this doesnt start a HUGE preference debate, but I'm taking feedback on what some of you already know to be a "solid" not too big laser black+white, flatbed/top scanner+copier (no top sheet feeder please, adds too much space/width) BUT THE PAIN is always in the PRINTER drivers/software, win or linux, in my experience. Honestly, been battling w/PDF's too long, to an old-ish Brother HL-L2395DW 3-in-1 --I'm working mostly on Linux Mint 19 (a deviant ubuntu I highly recommend for ex-win users) --Printing most things OK. IIRC, didnt have to find Linux drivers the hard way. --Printing PDF's gets iffy. LibreOffice sometimes cures my blues; DocumentViewer is probably the worst, "evince" also iffy, etc. Sometimes "Data received"....ends with a silent chirp, sometimes printer panel indicates a quick reject (nothing printed) saying "Out of Memory", BUT REALLY it's not the job == big, I think it must be a nasty runaway/leaky PDF->driver thing, but if I -- copy/email/send the nasty job to a win7 laptop and use AcroRead, USUALLY gets it done. Until today when ALL seemed to fail, I'm ready to cough up a few $hundred for a better beast, with wired ethernet+USB though I suppose it's pointless to avoid wireLESS interface as long as it does wired ethernet. Oh look! Today's impossible job just came out, from where! Losing my mind. Budget: since not color, I could go over $300 or so, where most of the decent ones sit. Been an HP fan for a long time, but things change, and I'm open to other solid models. Thx!

July 8, 2020

Reminder, we've got a meeting next week!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, I hope you're having a happy and healthy safe 4th of July!! We've got a meeting next week! I'm going to give a quick demo on Min.io, we'll do a round table and I'm sure general tom foolery will occur! Our usual Jitsi haunt will be where we'll meet until things improve, though it's looking better for New England and worse for everybody else.. My hope is soon we'll be meeting at Technopia, but until then, we'll keep the candle burning anyway we can! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 4, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] 3D printing RC planes

by Tim Keller

Check out the https://zesty.tech They make an system that essentially gets you the benefits of direct drive and bowden by remotely driving a feeder with an ultra stiff cable so you don't need to have the stepper on the print head. On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 4:33 PM Krichevsky, Nicholas J. via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > That direct drive mod looks like something I might invest in... We shall > see how it performs with the Bowden first :) > > Thanks for sending this along! > > Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36> > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2020 8:55:36 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > *Cc:* Krichevsky, Nicholas J. <njkrichevsky(a)wpi.edu>; Tim Keller < > turbofx(a)gmail.com> > *Subject:* [EXT] [WLUG] Re: [EXT] 3D printing RC planes > > Nicholas, > > There's a company out there that makes a linear rail upgrade kit for the > ender 3 and ender 5. The website is printermods.com > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fprintermod…> > > The only thing they bring to the table is they've just assembled the > parts, but still cool nome the less. > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 5:53 PM Krichevsky, Nicholas J. via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > I just bought an Ender 3 after a failed attempt over the past couple > months of fixing up a printrbot... I might have to check this out once it > gets here! > > Get Outlook for Android > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2F…> > ------------------------------ > *From:* Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2020 5:50:51 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > *Cc:* Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> > *Subject:* [EXT] [WLUG] 3D printing RC planes > > I just watched a webinar from these guys. Those of you with 3D printers > might want to check them out. > https://www.3daeroventures.com/ > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.3daer…> > > > -- > Rich > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/A7KMP… > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/R26VN… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 26, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] 3D printing RC planes

by Krichevsky, Nicholas J.

That direct drive mod looks like something I might invest in... We shall see how it performs with the Bowden first :) Thanks for sending this along! Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 8:55:36 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Krichevsky, Nicholas J. <njkrichevsky(a)wpi.edu>; Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Re: [EXT] 3D printing RC planes Nicholas, There's a company out there that makes a linear rail upgrade kit for the ender 3 and ender 5. The website is printermods.com<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fprintermod…> The only thing they bring to the table is they've just assembled the parts, but still cool nome the less. On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 5:53 PM Krichevsky, Nicholas J. via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: I just bought an Ender 3 after a failed attempt over the past couple months of fixing up a printrbot... I might have to check this out once it gets here! Get Outlook for Android<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2F…> ________________________________ From: Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 5:50:51 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> Cc: Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org<mailto:rich@richardklein.org>> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] 3D printing RC planes I just watched a webinar from these guys. Those of you with 3D printers might want to check them out. https://www.3daeroventures.com/<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.3daer…> -- Rich _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/A7KMP…<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…>

June 25, 2020

Re: [EXT] 3D printing RC planes

by Tim Keller

Nicholas, There's a company out there that makes a linear rail upgrade kit for the ender 3 and ender 5. The website is printermods.com The only thing they bring to the table is they've just assembled the parts, but still cool nome the less. On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 5:53 PM Krichevsky, Nicholas J. via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I just bought an Ender 3 after a failed attempt over the past couple > months of fixing up a printrbot... I might have to check this out once it > gets here! > > Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36> > ------------------------------ > *From:* Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2020 5:50:51 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > *Cc:* Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> > *Subject:* [EXT] [WLUG] 3D printing RC planes > > I just watched a webinar from these guys. Those of you with 3D printers > might want to check them out. > https://www.3daeroventures.com/ > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.3daer…> > > > -- > Rich > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/A7KMP… >

June 24, 2020

Re: Great meeting last night... but we need topics...

by Tim Keller

Don't worry.. next month will come soon enough!! On Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 9:39 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Dennis> Argh! I meant to join last night but forgot. > > Same here, work has slowly been taking up my evenings since they all > Cali time... > > I'd like to maybe talk Ansible, and about my experience in > slowly getting upto speed with it and learning how it can make my life > simpler. And harder. > > And how much I hate all those silly simple examples which don't *do* > anything. "Look how easy it is to install Apache and php using > ansible!" type of stupid examples. > > Dennis> I've been working on a new project if people are > Dennis> interested. It is called Gamerzilla. It is an > Dennis> achievement/trophy system for open source games. > > Cool. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WQLNI… >

June 24, 2020

Re: 3D printing RC planes

by Jon "maddog" Hall

This reminds me of the R/C model airplanes of my youth. They were not "proportional". They had a single channel that controlled the rudder. As you pulsed the transmitter the plane's rudder went from "center" to "full right" to "center" to "full left" to "center". As they got more sophisticated the rudder went in half-steps, but basically the same cycle. As long as the (gas) engine was running they gracefully climbed, and once the engine ran out of fuel then (hopefully) gracefully glided down. Sometimes it was not so graceful. Many times they ended up in trees. The receiver used a tube and a very heavy battery. The planes typically had a five or six foot wingspan, the fuselage was close to six feet long. The transmitter power leads clipped to your car battery. They would fly from five to ten minutes, limited mostly by the gas tank size and battery life of the receiver. There were a couple of guys who built these (the rest of the hobbyists, my brother included) flew control-line planes..... I never built one (I could not afford it), and so I more or less ignored R/C until thirty years later. All of a sudden there were IC based proportional R/C radios with more channels than a Sony TV that (seemingly) were about the size of a dime and could control these cute cars, boats, airplanes, heliocopters, all for less than 25 bucks. Yowsir! md On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 5:51 PM Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I just watched a webinar from these guys. Those of you with 3D printers > might want to check them out. > https://www.3daeroventures.com/ > > -- > Rich > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RSWQI… >

June 23, 2020

Re: [EXT] 3D printing RC planes

by Krichevsky, Nicholas J.

I just bought an Ender 3 after a failed attempt over the past couple months of fixing up a printrbot... I might have to check this out once it gets here! Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 5:50:51 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] 3D printing RC planes I just watched a webinar from these guys. Those of you with 3D printers might want to check them out. https://www.3daeroventures.com/<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.3daer…> -- Rich

June 23, 2020

3D printing RC planes

by Richard Klein

I just watched a webinar from these guys. Those of you with 3D printers might want to check them out. https://www.3daeroventures.com/ -- Rich

June 23, 2020

Re: Great meeting last night... but we need topics...

by John Stoffel

Dennis> Argh! I meant to join last night but forgot. Same here, work has slowly been taking up my evenings since they all Cali time... I'd like to maybe talk Ansible, and about my experience in slowly getting upto speed with it and learning how it can make my life simpler. And harder. And how much I hate all those silly simple examples which don't *do* anything. "Look how easy it is to install Apache and php using ansible!" type of stupid examples. Dennis> I've been working on a new project if people are Dennis> interested. It is called Gamerzilla. It is an Dennis> achievement/trophy system for open source games. Cool.

June 13, 2020

Re: Great meeting last night... but we need topics...

by Dennis Payne

Argh! I meant to join last night but forgot. I've been working on a new project if people are interested. It is called Gamerzilla. It is an achievement/trophy system for open source games. http://identicalsoftware.com/gamerzilla/ On Fri, 2020-06-12 at 10:55 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Gang, > > Thanks for everybody who showed up, we had a great time! > > We also had a couple new people show which was great! However, it's > clear that even doing the virtual meetings, we need to have a topic.. > we simply ran out of stuff to talk about... > For the next meeting I'm going to do a talk on https://min.io/ > > It's an open source object storage system that works just like S3 > only you can host it locally. > > IF people have things they'd like to talk about let me know! > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > > _______________________________________________WLUG mailing list -- > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/IHEPT… -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://social.freegamedev.net/channel/dulsi

June 12, 2020

Great meeting last night... but we need topics...

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, Thanks for everybody who showed up, we had a great time! We also had a couple new people show which was great! However, it's clear that even doing the virtual meetings, we need to have a topic.. we simply ran out of stuff to talk about... For the next meeting I'm going to do a talk on https://min.io/ It's an open source object storage system that works just like S3 only you can host it locally. IF people have things they'd like to talk about let me know! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 12, 2020

WLUG Meeting tomorrow night (June 11th) , via Jitsi! @7PM

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, We've got a virtual wlug meeting tomorrow night via JitSi at 7PM! The link is going to be: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA I also announced it on the meetup so who knows who'll show up! Maybe our meeting will get bombed! The topic is going to be the usual... come, be nerdy we'll talk about everything! Like I said before, at some point in the future we'll be actually meeting up in person, hopefully at Technopia! However, we need to coordinate with them and do it safe and sensibly. Later, Tim Keller WLUG President -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 10, 2020

Re: June virtual meeting!

by Tim Keller

I suppose I should have put in the pertinent details.. Yes, Thursday at 7pm. https://meet.jit.si/ the room is "WlugMA" Thanks, Tim. On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 10:48 AM Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > Thursday the 11th, at 7? > > ref. https://technocopia.org/ > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 10:22 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Hey Gang! >> >> Well, we're still not quite out of it, so this month's meeting is going >> to be virtual again. >> I've been watching Technopia's website and they're now open to members >> only. >> >> I think when it's open to the general public, we'll follow the CDC >> guidelines, see what Technopia wants to do and have a real in person >> meeting. >> >> I hope everybody has kept sane, okay less crazy, during the quarantine. >> >> Later, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7BMHO… >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 9, 2020

Re: June virtual meeting!

by Richard Klein

Thursday the 11th, at 7? ref. https://technocopia.org/ On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 10:22 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Gang! > > Well, we're still not quite out of it, so this month's meeting is going to > be virtual again. > I've been watching Technopia's website and they're now open to members > only. > > I think when it's open to the general public, we'll follow the CDC > guidelines, see what Technopia wants to do and have a real in person > meeting. > > I hope everybody has kept sane, okay less crazy, during the quarantine. > > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7BMHO… >

June 9, 2020

June virtual meeting!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang! Well, we're still not quite out of it, so this month's meeting is going to be virtual again. I've been watching Technopia's website and they're now open to members only. I think when it's open to the general public, we'll follow the CDC guidelines, see what Technopia wants to do and have a real in person meeting. I hope everybody has kept sane, okay less crazy, during the quarantine. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 9, 2020

Re: X1 Carbon Gen8 review

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Joshua, It depends on the "bloatware", but usually "bloatware" reduces the price of the laptop for the end user because the bloatware is looked at as advertising in the bloatware company's budget. The bloatware company pays the manufacturer to put the bloatware on the laptop, so either the laptop is cheaper for the end user or the OEM makes more money on a per-user basis. All of this makes it even harder to compute the "Microsoft Tax Refund". md On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 9:37 PM <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Jon, > > Thanks for the positive feedback! I think now that've had a hands-on > experience with the X1 Carbon, I'm not going to go back to buying "big" > laptops like the T series because they feel too bulky by comparison. > > I agree that the true cost of a license is never clear cut -- in addition > to bulk discounts from Microsoft, an OEM would likely have to factor in > the savings from third-party bloatware (although Lenovo doesn't seem to > include much of this in their business lineup), the cost of R&D for > vendor-specific optimizations, and the cost of customer support. It's > probably easier for them to simply not offer refunds and sell Windows as > part of the hardware to streamline support. > > In my experience with Lenovo, the refund came out to $87. I didn't ask > whether this amount was based on the post-discount price or the original > listed price, as I was just happy that I could get a refund at all. It > actually seems like a significant refund considering I had originally > purchased the X1 Carbon for $1,243 (Memorial Day sale and corporate > discount took off more than half of the original price!), taking it down to > $1,156. > > > On Sat, 2020-06-06 at 20:35 -0400, Jon "maddog" Hall wrote: > > Joshua, > > Thanks for the report. I have been a Thinkpad user a very long time and > I have an earlier model Carbon also....both are great computers. > > One comment about the return of the "Microsoft Tax".....what might seem to > be a relatively simple issue is actually fairly complex and is tied into > quantity discounts on licenses with Microsoft that really needs to be > addressed at the top. Until that is done, nobody really knows how much > the "tax" is. Defining the "Microsoft Tax" has probably been getting > better over the years as more and more people decide they do not need or > want MS products and more and more companies re-write their contracts to > give them more freedom. > > md > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 1:10 PM joshua.gage.stone--- via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Hey all, > > Since Lenovo has been making announcements about shipping Linux on > their machines [1] and expanding on their certifications [2], I decided > to purchase an X1 Carbon Gen8 [3] as my newest daily driver. I thought > I'd share some thoughts after installing Fedora 32 on it. > > Chassis: > > The X1 Carbon has excellent build quality. Despite being an ultrathin > laptop, it feels quite solid in my hands and is well-balanced when > grasping with one hand. Weighing in at 2.38 lbs, it's much lighter and > smaller than my T480 (4.03 lbs) which makes it more ideal for > traveling. The laptop doesn't flex or wobble when typing either. > > Ports: > > The number of ports is quite good compared to other ultrathin laptops > like the Dell XPS 13 and Macbook. Two USB-C ports are available which > are its main method of charging (very useful for sharing cables too). > There are two also standard USB-A ports, as well as an HDMI port and > headphone jack. There isn't native ethernet which is a bit of a > disappointment, but fortunately this is mitigated with a dongle that > comes with the laptop. There isn't an SD card slot or even a microSD > slot either, but the SD card reader dongle I already use with my > desktop can be used instead. > > Monitor: > > The FHD 400 nit screen is very good. Costa Rica 4K [4] -- which is > typically used as a benchmark for demonstrating display quality -- > looks quite nice on it. I don't have a colorimeter [5] on hand for > measuring the full capabilities of the screen in a more empirical > fashion, but it should be capable of showing the full sRGB range as > well as covering most of Adobe RGB. The 4K HDR 500 nit configuration > should be more ideal if color reproduction and HDR are of utmost > importance. > > Keyboard: > > Thinkpads are well renowned for their keyboards, and the keyboard on > the Carbon is no exception. The keys feel just right to me when typing, > not being too mushy or too clicky. They also don't give off much noise, > which is very much appreciated when working in a quiet room. > > Speakers: > > I'm quite happy with the quality of the Dolby Atmos speakers. Usually > laptop speakers are a disappointment to me, but the speakers on the > Carbon are more than capable of handling different genres of music. The > speaker alignment being upward-facing instead of side-facing as seen in > other thinkpads also makes it better for watching videos and listening > to music with other people. > > It does seem a bit lacking in bass-heavy music [6], but the built-in > DAC is more than capable of driving a pair of good-quality headphones > [7]. I might have to make an update on this later because Dolby Atmos > support on Linux appears to be a work in progress and may need a preset > to have it more closely match the speaker output on Windows [8] in the > meantime. > > Battery: > > I can get a decent amount of battery life from the 51Wh battery, > usually about 14 hours with light usage and medium screen brightness on > stock Fedora. I think I could easily squeeze more battery life out of > it if I installed Powertop or TLP, but hopefully battery optimizations > land in upstream so no extra work needs to be done by the time Fedora > 33 comes out. > > Noise & thermals: > > This laptop is quiet! Even when playing 1080p@60fps video in a quiet > room, the fan don't make any audible noise. > > Multi-core workloads like code compiling also don't seem to be an issue > on this laptop. Sensors report roughly 70C during such workloads, and > the fan gives off a low amount of noise that's well within acceptable > range. > > Performance & Stability: > > The i7-10510U performs quite well. It appears to be about as fast as > the R5 2600X in my desktop at compile tasks, which is especially > impressive considering this is in an ultrathin laptop! > > It also remains responsive for multitasking while compiling, still > being able to play fullscreen video in Firefox while dropping a few > frames when attempting to switch tabs (considering it's able to sustain > full 60fps playback otherwise while most cores are saturated, this is > still acceptable). > > Suspend support on the Carbon is rock solid too. I've repeatedly closed > the lid and opened it back up to have it immediately wake up from > suspend, making it ideal for keeping around on standby for when I want > to look something up. > > Vendor Support: > > Almost everything about this laptop works out of the box on Fedora, > with one exception being that firmware for the fingerprint sensor is > currently still in testing and needs to be explicitly enabled [9] if > you want to enable fingerprint login & authentication from Gnome > Settings > > Since I bought the Carbon before Lenovo started offering a > configuration with Linux preinstalled, I ended up paying for a Windows > license. Lenovo support however was quite understanding of my situation > in having no desire to run Windows on it, and provided a refund for the > license. I think this is noteworthy since they previously didn't offer > a refund when I previously bought my T480 a few years ago. > > Enabling hardware decoding support for improving CPU usage and battery > life [10] is also trivial. Firefox appears to consume 15%-25% CPU > during fullscreen 1080p@60fps video playback, and VLC is usually using > 8%-15% for the same video. It's worth noting that Firefox's accelerated > decoding support is still bleeding-edge and probably has room for > optimizations, and I'd imagine VLC could be even more efficient once it > has native Wayland support. > > Conclusion: > > Overall, I'm very happy with this laptop, both on the software and > hardware side. Despite being brand new, the out-of-the-box Linux > support has been some of the best I've seen in a long time and the > tweaks I've had to do for it were quite minimal. I think once Lenovo > sorts out their official Linux support (I still don't see it offered as > an OS option in the customization page), they'll have a truly stellar > product that they can market to Linux users as a daily driver. > > > > Sources: > > 1. https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-laptops/ > > 2. > > https://news.lenovo.com/pressroom/press-releases/lenovo-brings-linux-certif… > > 3. > > https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/X1-Carbon-Gen-8-/p… > > 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXb3EKWsInQ > > 5. > https://www.amazon.com/X-Rite-Color-Munki-Smile-ColorMunki/dp/B009APMNB0/ > > 6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgRr0CLFhaw > > 7. > > https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-M50xBT-Wireless-Bluetooth-Headpho… > > 8. https://github.com/JackHack96/PulseEffects-Presets/tree/master/irs > > 9. > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X1_Carbon_(Gen_7)#Fing… > > 10. > > https://mastransky.wordpress.com/2020/06/03/firefox-on-fedora-finally-gets-… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CZMXV… > >

June 7, 2020

Re: X1 Carbon Gen8 review

by joshua.gage.stone＠gmail.com

Jon, Thanks for the positive feedback! I think now that've had a hands-on experience with the X1 Carbon, I'm not going to go back to buying "big" laptops like the T series because they feel too bulky by comparison. I agree that the true cost of a license is never clear cut -- in addition to bulk discounts from Microsoft, an OEM would likely have to factor in the savings from third-party bloatware (although Lenovo doesn't seem to include much of this in their business lineup), the cost of R&D for vendor-specific optimizations, and the cost of customer support. It's probably easier for them to simply not offer refunds and sell Windows as part of the hardware to streamline support. In my experience with Lenovo, the refund came out to $87. I didn't ask whether this amount was based on the post-discount price or the original listed price, as I was just happy that I could get a refund at all. It actually seems like a significant refund considering I had originally purchased the X1 Carbon for $1,243 (Memorial Day sale and corporate discount took off more than half of the original price!), taking it down to $1,156. On Sat, 2020-06-06 at 20:35 -0400, Jon "maddog" Hall wrote: > Joshua, > > Thanks for the report. I have been a Thinkpad user a very long time > and I have an earlier model Carbon also....both are great computers. > > One comment about the return of the "Microsoft Tax".....what might > seem to be a relatively simple issue is actually fairly complex and > is tied into quantity discounts on licenses with Microsoft that > really needs to be addressed at the top. Until that is done, nobody > really knows how much the "tax" is. Defining the "Microsoft Tax" has > probably been getting better over the years as more and more people > decide they do not need or want MS products and more and more > companies re-write their contracts to give them more freedom. > > md > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 1:10 PM joshua.gage.stone--- via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > > > > > Since Lenovo has been making announcements about shipping Linux on > > > > their machines [1] and expanding on their certifications [2], I > > decided > > > > to purchase an X1 Carbon Gen8 [3] as my newest daily driver. I > > thought > > > > I'd share some thoughts after installing Fedora 32 on it. > > > > > > > > Chassis: > > > > > > > > The X1 Carbon has excellent build quality. Despite being an > > ultrathin > > > > laptop, it feels quite solid in my hands and is well-balanced when > > > > grasping with one hand. Weighing in at 2.38 lbs, it's much lighter > > and > > > > smaller than my T480 (4.03 lbs) which makes it more ideal for > > > > traveling. The laptop doesn't flex or wobble when typing either. > > > > > > > > Ports: > > > > > > > > The number of ports is quite good compared to other ultrathin > > laptops > > > > like the Dell XPS 13 and Macbook. Two USB-C ports are available > > which > > > > are its main method of charging (very useful for sharing cables > > too). > > > > There are two also standard USB-A ports, as well as an HDMI port > > and > > > > headphone jack. There isn't native ethernet which is a bit of a > > > > disappointment, but fortunately this is mitigated with a dongle > > that > > > > comes with the laptop. There isn't an SD card slot or even a > > microSD > > > > slot either, but the SD card reader dongle I already use with my > > > > desktop can be used instead. > > > > > > > > Monitor: > > > > > > > > The FHD 400 nit screen is very good. Costa Rica 4K [4] -- which is > > > > typically used as a benchmark for demonstrating display quality -- > > > > looks quite nice on it. I don't have a colorimeter [5] on hand for > > > > measuring the full capabilities of the screen in a more empirical > > > > fashion, but it should be capable of showing the full sRGB range as > > > > well as covering most of Adobe RGB. The 4K HDR 500 nit > > configuration > > > > should be more ideal if color reproduction and HDR are of utmost > > > > importance. > > > > > > > > Keyboard: > > > > > > > > Thinkpads are well renowned for their keyboards, and the keyboard > > on > > > > the Carbon is no exception. The keys feel just right to me when > > typing, > > > > not being too mushy or too clicky. They also don't give off much > > noise, > > > > which is very much appreciated when working in a quiet room. > > > > > > > > Speakers: > > > > > > > > I'm quite happy with the quality of the Dolby Atmos speakers. > > Usually > > > > laptop speakers are a disappointment to me, but the speakers on the > > > > Carbon are more than capable of handling different genres of music. > > The > > > > speaker alignment being upward-facing instead of side-facing as > > seen in > > > > other thinkpads also makes it better for watching videos and > > listening > > > > to music with other people. > > > > > > > > It does seem a bit lacking in bass-heavy music [6], but the built- > > in > > > > DAC is more than capable of driving a pair of good-quality > > headphones > > > > [7]. I might have to make an update on this later because Dolby > > Atmos > > > > support on Linux appears to be a work in progress and may need a > > preset > > > > to have it more closely match the speaker output on Windows [8] in > > the > > > > meantime. > > > > > > > > Battery: > > > > > > > > I can get a decent amount of battery life from the 51Wh battery, > > > > usually about 14 hours with light usage and medium screen > > brightness on > > > > stock Fedora. I think I could easily squeeze more battery life out > > of > > > > it if I installed Powertop or TLP, but hopefully battery > > optimizations > > > > land in upstream so no extra work needs to be done by the time > > Fedora > > > > 33 comes out. > > > > > > > > Noise & thermals: > > > > > > > > This laptop is quiet! Even when playing 1080p@60fps video in a > > quiet > > > > room, the fan don't make any audible noise. > > > > > > > > Multi-core workloads like code compiling also don't seem to be an > > issue > > > > on this laptop. Sensors report roughly 70C during such workloads, > > and > > > > the fan gives off a low amount of noise that's well within > > acceptable > > > > range. > > > > > > > > Performance & Stability: > > > > > > > > The i7-10510U performs quite well. It appears to be about as fast > > as > > > > the R5 2600X in my desktop at compile tasks, which is especially > > > > impressive considering this is in an ultrathin laptop! > > > > > > > > It also remains responsive for multitasking while compiling, still > > > > being able to play fullscreen video in Firefox while dropping a few > > > > frames when attempting to switch tabs (considering it's able to > > sustain > > > > full 60fps playback otherwise while most cores are saturated, this > > is > > > > still acceptable). > > > > > > > > Suspend support on the Carbon is rock solid too. I've repeatedly > > closed > > > > the lid and opened it back up to have it immediately wake up from > > > > suspend, making it ideal for keeping around on standby for when I > > want > > > > to look something up. > > > > > > > > Vendor Support: > > > > > > > > Almost everything about this laptop works out of the box on Fedora, > > > > with one exception being that firmware for the fingerprint sensor > > is > > > > currently still in testing and needs to be explicitly enabled [9] > > if > > > > you want to enable fingerprint login & authentication from Gnome > > > > Settings > > > > > > > > Since I bought the Carbon before Lenovo started offering a > > > > configuration with Linux preinstalled, I ended up paying for a > > Windows > > > > license. Lenovo support however was quite understanding of my > > situation > > > > in having no desire to run Windows on it, and provided a refund for > > the > > > > license. I think this is noteworthy since they previously didn't > > offer > > > > a refund when I previously bought my T480 a few years ago. > > > > > > > > Enabling hardware decoding support for improving CPU usage and > > battery > > > > life [10] is also trivial. Firefox appears to consume 15%-25% CPU > > > > during fullscreen 1080p@60fps video playback, and VLC is usually > > using > > > > 8%-15% for the same video. It's worth noting that Firefox's > > accelerated > > > > decoding support is still bleeding-edge and probably has room for > > > > optimizations, and I'd imagine VLC could be even more efficient > > once it > > > > has native Wayland support. > > > > > > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > > > Overall, I'm very happy with this laptop, both on the software and > > > > hardware side. Despite being brand new, the out-of-the-box Linux > > > > support has been some of the best I've seen in a long time and the > > > > tweaks I've had to do for it were quite minimal. I think once > > Lenovo > > > > sorts out their official Linux support (I still don't see it > > offered as > > > > an OS option in the customization page), they'll have a truly > > stellar > > > > product that they can market to Linux users as a daily driver. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sources: > > > > > > > > 1. https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-laptops/ > > > > > > > > 2. > > > > https://news.lenovo.com/pressroom/press-releases/lenovo-brings-linux-certif… > > > > > > > > 3. > > > > https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/X1-Carbon-Gen-8-/p… > > > > > > > > 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXb3EKWsInQ > > > > > > > > 5. > > > > https://www.amazon.com/X-Rite-Color-Munki-Smile-ColorMunki/dp/B009APMNB0/ > > > > > > > > 6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgRr0CLFhaw > > > > > > > > 7. > > > > https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-M50xBT-Wireless-Bluetooth-Headpho… > > > > > > > > 8. > > https://github.com/JackHack96/PulseEffects-Presets/tree/master/irs > > > > > > > > 9. > > > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X1_Carbon_(Gen_7)#Fing… > > > > > > > > 10. > > > > https://mastransky.wordpress.com/2020/06/03/firefox-on-fedora-finally-gets-… > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > > > Change Settings: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > > > Web Forum/Archive: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CZMXV… > >

June 7, 2020

Re: X1 Carbon Gen8 review

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Joshua, Thanks for the report. I have been a Thinkpad user a very long time and I have an earlier model Carbon also....both are great computers. One comment about the return of the "Microsoft Tax".....what might seem to be a relatively simple issue is actually fairly complex and is tied into quantity discounts on licenses with Microsoft that really needs to be addressed at the top. Until that is done, nobody really knows how much the "tax" is. Defining the "Microsoft Tax" has probably been getting better over the years as more and more people decide they do not need or want MS products and more and more companies re-write their contracts to give them more freedom. md On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 1:10 PM joshua.gage.stone--- via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey all, > > Since Lenovo has been making announcements about shipping Linux on > their machines [1] and expanding on their certifications [2], I decided > to purchase an X1 Carbon Gen8 [3] as my newest daily driver. I thought > I'd share some thoughts after installing Fedora 32 on it. > > Chassis: > > The X1 Carbon has excellent build quality. Despite being an ultrathin > laptop, it feels quite solid in my hands and is well-balanced when > grasping with one hand. Weighing in at 2.38 lbs, it's much lighter and > smaller than my T480 (4.03 lbs) which makes it more ideal for > traveling. The laptop doesn't flex or wobble when typing either. > > Ports: > > The number of ports is quite good compared to other ultrathin laptops > like the Dell XPS 13 and Macbook. Two USB-C ports are available which > are its main method of charging (very useful for sharing cables too). > There are two also standard USB-A ports, as well as an HDMI port and > headphone jack. There isn't native ethernet which is a bit of a > disappointment, but fortunately this is mitigated with a dongle that > comes with the laptop. There isn't an SD card slot or even a microSD > slot either, but the SD card reader dongle I already use with my > desktop can be used instead. > > Monitor: > > The FHD 400 nit screen is very good. Costa Rica 4K [4] -- which is > typically used as a benchmark for demonstrating display quality -- > looks quite nice on it. I don't have a colorimeter [5] on hand for > measuring the full capabilities of the screen in a more empirical > fashion, but it should be capable of showing the full sRGB range as > well as covering most of Adobe RGB. The 4K HDR 500 nit configuration > should be more ideal if color reproduction and HDR are of utmost > importance. > > Keyboard: > > Thinkpads are well renowned for their keyboards, and the keyboard on > the Carbon is no exception. The keys feel just right to me when typing, > not being too mushy or too clicky. They also don't give off much noise, > which is very much appreciated when working in a quiet room. > > Speakers: > > I'm quite happy with the quality of the Dolby Atmos speakers. Usually > laptop speakers are a disappointment to me, but the speakers on the > Carbon are more than capable of handling different genres of music. The > speaker alignment being upward-facing instead of side-facing as seen in > other thinkpads also makes it better for watching videos and listening > to music with other people. > > It does seem a bit lacking in bass-heavy music [6], but the built-in > DAC is more than capable of driving a pair of good-quality headphones > [7]. I might have to make an update on this later because Dolby Atmos > support on Linux appears to be a work in progress and may need a preset > to have it more closely match the speaker output on Windows [8] in the > meantime. > > Battery: > > I can get a decent amount of battery life from the 51Wh battery, > usually about 14 hours with light usage and medium screen brightness on > stock Fedora. I think I could easily squeeze more battery life out of > it if I installed Powertop or TLP, but hopefully battery optimizations > land in upstream so no extra work needs to be done by the time Fedora > 33 comes out. > > Noise & thermals: > > This laptop is quiet! Even when playing 1080p@60fps video in a quiet > room, the fan don't make any audible noise. > > Multi-core workloads like code compiling also don't seem to be an issue > on this laptop. Sensors report roughly 70C during such workloads, and > the fan gives off a low amount of noise that's well within acceptable > range. > > Performance & Stability: > > The i7-10510U performs quite well. It appears to be about as fast as > the R5 2600X in my desktop at compile tasks, which is especially > impressive considering this is in an ultrathin laptop! > > It also remains responsive for multitasking while compiling, still > being able to play fullscreen video in Firefox while dropping a few > frames when attempting to switch tabs (considering it's able to sustain > full 60fps playback otherwise while most cores are saturated, this is > still acceptable). > > Suspend support on the Carbon is rock solid too. I've repeatedly closed > the lid and opened it back up to have it immediately wake up from > suspend, making it ideal for keeping around on standby for when I want > to look something up. > > Vendor Support: > > Almost everything about this laptop works out of the box on Fedora, > with one exception being that firmware for the fingerprint sensor is > currently still in testing and needs to be explicitly enabled [9] if > you want to enable fingerprint login & authentication from Gnome > Settings > > Since I bought the Carbon before Lenovo started offering a > configuration with Linux preinstalled, I ended up paying for a Windows > license. Lenovo support however was quite understanding of my situation > in having no desire to run Windows on it, and provided a refund for the > license. I think this is noteworthy since they previously didn't offer > a refund when I previously bought my T480 a few years ago. > > Enabling hardware decoding support for improving CPU usage and battery > life [10] is also trivial. Firefox appears to consume 15%-25% CPU > during fullscreen 1080p@60fps video playback, and VLC is usually using > 8%-15% for the same video. It's worth noting that Firefox's accelerated > decoding support is still bleeding-edge and probably has room for > optimizations, and I'd imagine VLC could be even more efficient once it > has native Wayland support. > > Conclusion: > > Overall, I'm very happy with this laptop, both on the software and > hardware side. Despite being brand new, the out-of-the-box Linux > support has been some of the best I've seen in a long time and the > tweaks I've had to do for it were quite minimal. I think once Lenovo > sorts out their official Linux support (I still don't see it offered as > an OS option in the customization page), they'll have a truly stellar > product that they can market to Linux users as a daily driver. > > > > Sources: > > 1. https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-laptops/ > > 2. > > https://news.lenovo.com/pressroom/press-releases/lenovo-brings-linux-certif… > > 3. > > https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/X1-Carbon-Gen-8-/p… > > 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXb3EKWsInQ > > 5. > https://www.amazon.com/X-Rite-Color-Munki-Smile-ColorMunki/dp/B009APMNB0/ > > 6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgRr0CLFhaw > > 7. > > https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-M50xBT-Wireless-Bluetooth-Headpho… > > 8. https://github.com/JackHack96/PulseEffects-Presets/tree/master/irs > > 9. > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X1_Carbon_(Gen_7)#Fing… > > 10. > > https://mastransky.wordpress.com/2020/06/03/firefox-on-fedora-finally-gets-… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CZMXV… >

June 7, 2020

X1 Carbon Gen8 review

by joshua.gage.stone＠gmail.com

Hey all, Since Lenovo has been making announcements about shipping Linux on their machines [1] and expanding on their certifications [2], I decided to purchase an X1 Carbon Gen8 [3] as my newest daily driver. I thought I'd share some thoughts after installing Fedora 32 on it. Chassis: The X1 Carbon has excellent build quality. Despite being an ultrathin laptop, it feels quite solid in my hands and is well-balanced when grasping with one hand. Weighing in at 2.38 lbs, it's much lighter and smaller than my T480 (4.03 lbs) which makes it more ideal for traveling. The laptop doesn't flex or wobble when typing either. Ports: The number of ports is quite good compared to other ultrathin laptops like the Dell XPS 13 and Macbook. Two USB-C ports are available which are its main method of charging (very useful for sharing cables too). There are two also standard USB-A ports, as well as an HDMI port and headphone jack. There isn't native ethernet which is a bit of a disappointment, but fortunately this is mitigated with a dongle that comes with the laptop. There isn't an SD card slot or even a microSD slot either, but the SD card reader dongle I already use with my desktop can be used instead. Monitor: The FHD 400 nit screen is very good. Costa Rica 4K [4] -- which is typically used as a benchmark for demonstrating display quality -- looks quite nice on it. I don't have a colorimeter [5] on hand for measuring the full capabilities of the screen in a more empirical fashion, but it should be capable of showing the full sRGB range as well as covering most of Adobe RGB. The 4K HDR 500 nit configuration should be more ideal if color reproduction and HDR are of utmost importance. Keyboard: Thinkpads are well renowned for their keyboards, and the keyboard on the Carbon is no exception. The keys feel just right to me when typing, not being too mushy or too clicky. They also don't give off much noise, which is very much appreciated when working in a quiet room. Speakers: I'm quite happy with the quality of the Dolby Atmos speakers. Usually laptop speakers are a disappointment to me, but the speakers on the Carbon are more than capable of handling different genres of music. The speaker alignment being upward-facing instead of side-facing as seen in other thinkpads also makes it better for watching videos and listening to music with other people. It does seem a bit lacking in bass-heavy music [6], but the built-in DAC is more than capable of driving a pair of good-quality headphones [7]. I might have to make an update on this later because Dolby Atmos support on Linux appears to be a work in progress and may need a preset to have it more closely match the speaker output on Windows [8] in the meantime. Battery: I can get a decent amount of battery life from the 51Wh battery, usually about 14 hours with light usage and medium screen brightness on stock Fedora. I think I could easily squeeze more battery life out of it if I installed Powertop or TLP, but hopefully battery optimizations land in upstream so no extra work needs to be done by the time Fedora 33 comes out. Noise & thermals: This laptop is quiet! Even when playing 1080p@60fps video in a quiet room, the fan don't make any audible noise. Multi-core workloads like code compiling also don't seem to be an issue on this laptop. Sensors report roughly 70C during such workloads, and the fan gives off a low amount of noise that's well within acceptable range. Performance & Stability: The i7-10510U performs quite well. It appears to be about as fast as the R5 2600X in my desktop at compile tasks, which is especially impressive considering this is in an ultrathin laptop! It also remains responsive for multitasking while compiling, still being able to play fullscreen video in Firefox while dropping a few frames when attempting to switch tabs (considering it's able to sustain full 60fps playback otherwise while most cores are saturated, this is still acceptable). Suspend support on the Carbon is rock solid too. I've repeatedly closed the lid and opened it back up to have it immediately wake up from suspend, making it ideal for keeping around on standby for when I want to look something up. Vendor Support: Almost everything about this laptop works out of the box on Fedora, with one exception being that firmware for the fingerprint sensor is currently still in testing and needs to be explicitly enabled [9] if you want to enable fingerprint login & authentication from Gnome Settings Since I bought the Carbon before Lenovo started offering a configuration with Linux preinstalled, I ended up paying for a Windows license. Lenovo support however was quite understanding of my situation in having no desire to run Windows on it, and provided a refund for the license. I think this is noteworthy since they previously didn't offer a refund when I previously bought my T480 a few years ago. Enabling hardware decoding support for improving CPU usage and battery life [10] is also trivial. Firefox appears to consume 15%-25% CPU during fullscreen 1080p@60fps video playback, and VLC is usually using 8%-15% for the same video. It's worth noting that Firefox's accelerated decoding support is still bleeding-edge and probably has room for optimizations, and I'd imagine VLC could be even more efficient once it has native Wayland support. Conclusion: Overall, I'm very happy with this laptop, both on the software and hardware side. Despite being brand new, the out-of-the-box Linux support has been some of the best I've seen in a long time and the tweaks I've had to do for it were quite minimal. I think once Lenovo sorts out their official Linux support (I still don't see it offered as an OS option in the customization page), they'll have a truly stellar product that they can market to Linux users as a daily driver. Sources: 1. https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-laptops/ 2. https://news.lenovo.com/pressroom/press-releases/lenovo-brings-linux-certif… 3. https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/X1-Carbon-Gen-8-/p… 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXb3EKWsInQ 5. https://www.amazon.com/X-Rite-Color-Munki-Smile-ColorMunki/dp/B009APMNB0/ 6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgRr0CLFhaw 7. https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-M50xBT-Wireless-Bluetooth-Headpho… 8. https://github.com/JackHack96/PulseEffects-Presets/tree/master/irs 9. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X1_Carbon_(Gen_7)#Fing… 10. https://mastransky.wordpress.com/2020/06/03/firefox-on-fedora-finally-gets-…

June 6, 2020

Re: [EXT] Signing a driver for UEFI in Debian

by Chuck Anderson

https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot It is messy. It may be easiest to disable SecureBoot: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot#Disabling.2Fre-enabling_Secure_Boot Otherwise you have to generate your key and add it using MOK: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot#Secure_Boot_limitations "Loading kernel modules that are not signed by a trusted key. By default, this will block out-of-tree modules including DKMS-managed drivers. However, you can create your own signing key for modules and add its certificate to the trusted list using MOK. " On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 12:35:15PM -0400, Richard Klein via WLUG wrote: > I'm trying to build Droidcam. Part of the install process wants to sign a > driver: > "Secure Boot is enabled, attempting to sign the driver > please specify signing key location (or leave empty to sign manually later) > You can Google 'secure boot' for your distro > > Enter the path of the public key:" > > Googling didn't show me a clear answer. Does anyone know what path it's > looking for?

June 1, 2020

Signing a driver for UEFI in Debian

by Richard Klein

I'm trying to build Droidcam. Part of the install process wants to sign a driver: "Secure Boot is enabled, attempting to sign the driver please specify signing key location (or leave empty to sign manually later) You can Google 'secure boot' for your distro Enter the path of the public key:" Googling didn't show me a clear answer. Does anyone know what path it's looking for? -- Rich

May 31, 2020

Re: 8GB Pi4 announced!!!

by John Stoffel

Tim> The Pi4 people announced an 8GB version for $75! That's enough Tim> ram you could run a chrome tab or two! Certainly looks interesting, but I think I'd be happier even the smaller versions. I was looking at this sucker as a possibly way to have a home compute lab for playing around more with ansible, docker, etc. https://turingpi.com/ But it would cost probably $400 for a basic setup...

May 29, 2020

8GB Pi4 announced!!!

by Tim Keller

The Pi4 people announced an 8GB version for $75! That's enough ram you could run a chrome tab or two! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 29, 2020

Re: Creating Hotspot and Fedora 32

by joshua.gage.stone＠gmail.com

John, It's possible that Fedora's move to iptables-nft broke the hotspot functionality. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/iptables-nft-default Here are the commands I ran to open up the firewall on my laptop: # firewall-cmd --permanent --add-masquerade # firewall-cmd --permanent --add-service=dhcp # firewall-cmd --reload And to confirm that the changes went through: # firewall-cmd --list-all FedoraWorkstation (active) target: default icmp-block-inversion: no interfaces: enp0s31f6 wlp3s0 sources: services: dhcp dhcpv6-client samba-client ssh ports: 1025-65535/udp 1025-65535/tcp protocols: masquerade: yes forward-ports: source-ports: icmp-blocks: rich rules: This allows my phone to connect to my laptop and browse the internet normally without having to disable the firewall entirely. I hope that helps! Josh On Tue, 2020-05-19 at 05:09 -0400, Dennis Payne via WLUG wrote: > On Sun, 2020-05-03 at 20:18 -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > > What does 'dmesg' say when you do this? Can you connect using the > > graphical Network Manager GUI tool as a check? > > > > John > > I never got around to doing a new test and capturing that info. I did > find that turning off firewalld allowed it to work. >

May 19, 2020

Re: Creating Hotspot and Fedora 32

by Dennis Payne

On Sun, 2020-05-03 at 20:18 -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > > > > > > > What does 'dmesg' say when you do this? Can you connect using the > graphical Network Manager GUI tool as a check? > > John I never got around to doing a new test and capturing that info. I did find that turning off firewalld allowed it to work. -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://social.freegamedev.net/channel/dulsi

May 19, 2020

Reminder: Meeting tomorrow! Your/My/Everybody's house! 7PM! via Jitsi!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, Yup, we're all trapped at home like crazed rats in a maze, but that can't stop us from having a WLUG meeting! Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Time: 7pm - Whenever we want to stop! Topic: Lots of stuff I'm sure! Snacks and refreshments sadly won't be provided, though expect a fair amount of eating and drinking on camera! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 13, 2020

Manjaro - Caffeine Question

by hammerron

I'm looking a bit at Manjaro 20.0, with Gnome, and when I first ran, saw in the top right (system tray?) a coffee cup symbol. I believe that this means that the Caffeine-ng program might have been running. I have not seen the coffee cup symbol since. I tried to click on the Caffeine icon, and also the Caffeine Preferences icon, but seems like nothing happened. I tried searching the Manjaro forums and have not found a solution. Any thoughts? (Sent it to the WLUG, maybe Forrest or another Manjaro user will see it ) Ron

May 10, 2020

Re: Creating Hotspot and Fedora 32

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Dennis> I upgraded to Fedora 32 last night. I can create a hotspot like I did Dennis> with Fedora 31 but connecting to it fails. I use: Dennis> nmcli dev wifi hotspot ifname wlp3s0 ssid <name> password <password> Dennis> Is there something else I need to do with Fedora 32? What does 'dmesg' say when you do this? Can you connect using the graphical Network Manager GUI tool as a check? John

May 4, 2020

Creating Hotspot and Fedora 32

by Dennis Payne

I upgraded to Fedora 32 last night. I can create a hotspot like I did with Fedora 31 but connecting to it fails. I use: nmcli dev wifi hotspot ifname wlp3s0 ssid <name> password <password> Is there something else I need to do with Fedora 32? -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://social.freegamedev.net/channel/dulsi

May 1, 2020

Re: [EXT] RDP into Win10 with Remmina

by Joshua Stone

Oh sorry, I mixed up xrdp and xfreerdp. I meant to say that I've had good experiences with xfreerdp at work. I think what confused me was that the syntax in FreeRDP 2.x differs from FreeRDP 1.0.x which we use in CentOS 7. xrdp is just an RDP server implementation that advertises good compatibility with FreeRDP (in fact is based on it). -Josh On Wed, 2020-04-29 at 19:33 -0400, Richard Klein wrote: > Is xfreerdp different than xrdp, or are those the same thing? > xfreerdp is what I used all day today, and it was pretty good, aside > from the slow VPN I'm working through. Sound wasn't working, but I > don't need that for work and I didn't try to get it to work. A GUI > wouldn't be terrible. I'll check out Gnome Connections. > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:21 PM Joshua Stone < > joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I've had very good luck with xrdp, as it's easily one of the most > > mature, feature-complete RDP clients. It doesn't come with a GUI, > > but this can be a positive if you're looking for a streamlined > > client that launches from the command line minus the extra clutter. > > Gnome Connections is a newer remote desktop client that might also > > be worth looking into as it's supposed to natively support multi- > > monitor: > > https://feborg.es/announcing-gnome-connections/ > > -Josh > > > > On Tue, 2020-04-28 at 19:51 -0400, Richard Klein via WLUG wrote: > > > I worked in Remmina all day. It doesn't support multiple > > > monitors, which can be painful. It also doesn't trap all > > > keypresses for the remote session, so I had to get used to using > > > only the left CTRL key, for instance. > > > > > > I just tried this solution, and it worked for dual monitors. I > > > just logged in and logged out, though, so I can't really comment > > > on if it's a better solution. It looks promising, though. > > > https://medium.com/analytics-vidhya/linux-remote-desktop-multiple-monitor-s… > > > > > > -- > > > Rich > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:27 AM Richard Klein < > > > rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > > > > That worked! I'm not sure the problem is the color depth, per > > > > se, but rather the codec (or whatever it's called in this > > > > context). I changed it to 24 bpp, but there were several 32 > > > > bpp options that I didn't try: > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/yAehgMVieX8T8Ccu9 > > > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:55 PM Krichevsky, Nicholas J. via > > > > WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't ask me why, but I've found lowering the color depth can > > > > > help with remmina failing to connect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get Outlook for Android > > > > > > > > > > From: Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:45:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion < > > > > > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > > > > > > > > > Cc: Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] RDP into Win10 with Remmina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm getting tired of booting into Windows for work. I > > > > > figured out how to connect to the VPN from Debian, but it > > > > > would be very helpful to RDP into the workstation in my > > > > > office. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know the URL for my workstation, the domain, the username, > > > > > and the password, but I'm failing to get it to work. What > > > > > should I try? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Remmina says "Connecting to <server>..." for a minute, then > > > > > fails with "Connection to RDP server <server> failed." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > > > > > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > > > > > > > > > Change Settings: > > > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > > > > > > > > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/I3D77… > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________WLUG mailing list > > > -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > > Change Settings: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6TETH…

April 29, 2020

Re: [EXT] RDP into Win10 with Remmina

by Richard Klein

Is xfreerdp different than xrdp, or are those the same thing? xfreerdp is what I used all day today, and it was pretty good, aside from the slow VPN I'm working through. Sound wasn't working, but I don't need that for work and I didn't try to get it to work. A GUI wouldn't be terrible. I'll check out Gnome Connections. On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:21 PM Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I've had very good luck with xrdp, as it's easily one of the most mature, > feature-complete RDP clients. It doesn't come with a GUI, but this can be a > positive if you're looking for a streamlined client that launches from the > command line minus the extra clutter. > > Gnome Connections is a newer remote desktop client that might also be > worth looking into as it's supposed to natively support multi-monitor: > > https://feborg.es/announcing-gnome-connections/ > > -Josh > > > On Tue, 2020-04-28 at 19:51 -0400, Richard Klein via WLUG wrote: > > I worked in Remmina all day. It doesn't support multiple monitors, which > can be painful. It also doesn't trap all keypresses for the remote > session, so I had to get used to using only the left CTRL key, for instance. > > I just tried this solution, and it worked for dual monitors. I just > logged in and logged out, though, so I can't really comment on if it's a > better solution. It looks promising, though. > > https://medium.com/analytics-vidhya/linux-remote-desktop-multiple-monitor-s… > > -- > Rich > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:27 AM Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> > wrote: > > That worked! I'm not sure the problem is the color depth, per se, but > rather the codec (or whatever it's called in this context). I changed it > to 24 bpp, but there were several 32 bpp options that I didn't try: > https://photos.app.goo.gl/yAehgMVieX8T8Ccu9 > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:55 PM Krichevsky, Nicholas J. via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Don't ask me why, but I've found lowering the color depth can help with > remmina failing to connect. > > Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36> > ------------------------------ > *From:* Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Friday, April 24, 2020 8:45:37 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > *Cc:* Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> > *Subject:* [EXT] [WLUG] RDP into Win10 with Remmina > > I'm getting tired of booting into Windows for work. I figured out how to > connect to the VPN from Debian, but it would be very helpful to RDP into > the workstation in my office. > > I know the URL for my workstation, the domain, the username, and the > password, but I'm failing to get it to work. What should I try? > > Remmina says "Connecting to <server>..." for a minute, then fails with > "Connection to RDP server <server> failed." > > -- > Rich > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/I3D77… > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- > > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > Create Account: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > > Change Settings: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > > Web Forum/Archive: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6TETH… > > >

April 29, 2020

Re: [EXT] RDP into Win10 with Remmina

by Joshua Stone

I've had very good luck with xrdp, as it's easily one of the most mature, feature-complete RDP clients. It doesn't come with a GUI, but this can be a positive if you're looking for a streamlined client that launches from the command line minus the extra clutter. Gnome Connections is a newer remote desktop client that might also be worth looking into as it's supposed to natively support multi-monitor: https://feborg.es/announcing-gnome-connections/ -Josh On Tue, 2020-04-28 at 19:51 -0400, Richard Klein via WLUG wrote: > I worked in Remmina all day. It doesn't support multiple monitors, > which can be painful. It also doesn't trap all keypresses for the > remote session, so I had to get used to using only the left CTRL key, > for instance. > > I just tried this solution, and it worked for dual monitors. I just > logged in and logged out, though, so I can't really comment on if > it's a better solution. It looks promising, though. > https://medium.com/analytics-vidhya/linux-remote-desktop-multiple-monitor-s… > > -- > Rich > > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:27 AM Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org > > wrote: > > That worked! I'm not sure the problem is the color depth, per se, > > but rather the codec (or whatever it's called in this context). I > > changed it to 24 bpp, but there were several 32 bpp options that I > > didn't try: > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/yAehgMVieX8T8Ccu9 > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:55 PM Krichevsky, Nicholas J. via WLUG < > > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't ask me why, but I've found lowering the color depth can > > > help with remmina failing to connect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get Outlook for Android > > > > > > From: Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:45:37 PM > > > > > > To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion < > > > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > > > > > Cc: Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> > > > > > > Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] RDP into Win10 with Remmina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm getting tired of booting into Windows for work. I figured > > > out how to connect to the VPN from Debian, but it would be very > > > helpful to RDP into the workstation in my office. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know the URL for my workstation, the domain, the username, and > > > the password, but I'm failing to get it to work. What should I > > > try? > > > > > > > > > > > > Remmina says "Connecting to <server>..." for a minute, then fails > > > with "Connection to RDP server <server> failed." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > > > > > Change Settings: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > > > > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/I3D77… > > > > > _______________________________________________WLUG mailing list -- > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6TETH…

April 29, 2020

Re: [EXT] RDP into Win10 with Remmina

by Richard Klein

I worked in Remmina all day. It doesn't support multiple monitors, which can be painful. It also doesn't trap all keypresses for the remote session, so I had to get used to using only the left CTRL key, for instance. I just tried this solution, and it worked for dual monitors. I just logged in and logged out, though, so I can't really comment on if it's a better solution. It looks promising, though. https://medium.com/analytics-vidhya/linux-remote-desktop-multiple-monitor-s… -- Rich On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:27 AM Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > That worked! I'm not sure the problem is the color depth, per se, but > rather the codec (or whatever it's called in this context). I changed it > to 24 bpp, but there were several 32 bpp options that I didn't try: > https://photos.app.goo.gl/yAehgMVieX8T8Ccu9 > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:55 PM Krichevsky, Nicholas J. via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Don't ask me why, but I've found lowering the color depth can help with >> remmina failing to connect. >> >> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> *Sent:* Friday, April 24, 2020 8:45:37 PM >> *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> *Cc:* Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> >> *Subject:* [EXT] [WLUG] RDP into Win10 with Remmina >> >> I'm getting tired of booting into Windows for work. I figured out how to >> connect to the VPN from Debian, but it would be very helpful to RDP into >> the workstation in my office. >> >> I know the URL for my workstation, the domain, the username, and the >> password, but I'm failing to get it to work. What should I try? >> >> Remmina says "Connecting to <server>..." for a minute, then fails with >> "Connection to RDP server <server> failed." >> >> -- >> Rich >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/I3D77… >> >

April 28, 2020

Fedora 32 release

by Joshua Stone

Hey everyone, Fedora 32 came out today and it looks very solid! Here's a post detailing many of the core improvements: https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-32/ https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2020/04/28/fedora-workstation-swamp-draining… I'm quite happy to see so much work going into components that I use every day, including Gnome Shell, Toolbox, Wayland, and Pipewire. The Firefox improvements should be especially helpful for when we do our next Jitsi Meet call. -Josh

April 28, 2020

Re: [EXT] RDP into Win10 with Remmina

by Richard Klein

That worked! I'm not sure the problem is the color depth, per se, but rather the codec (or whatever it's called in this context). I changed it to 24 bpp, but there were several 32 bpp options that I didn't try: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yAehgMVieX8T8Ccu9 On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:55 PM Krichevsky, Nicholas J. via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Don't ask me why, but I've found lowering the color depth can help with > remmina failing to connect. > > Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36> > ------------------------------ > *From:* Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Friday, April 24, 2020 8:45:37 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > *Cc:* Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> > *Subject:* [EXT] [WLUG] RDP into Win10 with Remmina > > I'm getting tired of booting into Windows for work. I figured out how to > connect to the VPN from Debian, but it would be very helpful to RDP into > the workstation in my office. > > I know the URL for my workstation, the domain, the username, and the > password, but I'm failing to get it to work. What should I try? > > Remmina says "Connecting to <server>..." for a minute, then fails with > "Connection to RDP server <server> failed." > > -- > Rich > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/I3D77… >

April 27, 2020

Re: [EXT] RDP into Win10 with Remmina

by Richard Klein

Weird, but I'll try it. On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, 8:55 PM Krichevsky, Nicholas J. via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Don't ask me why, but I've found lowering the color depth can help with > remmina failing to connect. > > Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36> > ------------------------------ > *From:* Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Friday, April 24, 2020 8:45:37 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > *Cc:* Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> > *Subject:* [EXT] [WLUG] RDP into Win10 with Remmina > > I'm getting tired of booting into Windows for work. I figured out how to > connect to the VPN from Debian, but it would be very helpful to RDP into > the workstation in my office. > > I know the URL for my workstation, the domain, the username, and the > password, but I'm failing to get it to work. What should I try? > > Remmina says "Connecting to <server>..." for a minute, then fails with > "Connection to RDP server <server> failed." > > -- > Rich > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/I3D77… >

April 25, 2020

Re: [EXT] RDP into Win10 with Remmina

by Krichevsky, Nicholas J.

Don't ask me why, but I've found lowering the color depth can help with remmina failing to connect. Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:45:37 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] RDP into Win10 with Remmina I'm getting tired of booting into Windows for work. I figured out how to connect to the VPN from Debian, but it would be very helpful to RDP into the workstation in my office. I know the URL for my workstation, the domain, the username, and the password, but I'm failing to get it to work. What should I try? Remmina says "Connecting to <server>..." for a minute, then fails with "Connection to RDP server <server> failed." -- Rich

April 25, 2020

RDP into Win10 with Remmina

by Richard Klein

I'm getting tired of booting into Windows for work. I figured out how to connect to the VPN from Debian, but it would be very helpful to RDP into the workstation in my office. I know the URL for my workstation, the domain, the username, and the password, but I'm failing to get it to work. What should I try? Remmina says "Connecting to <server>..." for a minute, then fails with "Connection to RDP server <server> failed." -- Rich

April 25, 2020

Re: Does LINUX still exist?

by Jon "maddog" Hall

It depends on that you mean by "Linux" partner. Are you talking about GNU/Linux with the Linux 1.x kernel? Non-SMP, weak file systems? Poor (soft) real-time? 32-bit only? Are you searching for the Linux that you have to type in every single hardware element of your graphics card? That you need to connect your CD-ROM drive to your audio card? Are you prefer "Deb" or "RPM"? Perhaps you would like SuSE or Debian. You can just download them and try them all out. Just trying to gauge where you are coming from. md On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 3:35 PM Ken Jones via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I am trying for figure out what, if anything, of FEDORA RED HAT LINUX is > still available. I have downloaded a DVD that I plan to install on my DELL > XPS desktop PC running WINDOWS 10. Will it find for me my old LINUX > atmosphere? > Ken Jones > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/JNGDQ… >

April 24, 2020

Re: April WLUG meeting to be online

by Jon "maddog" Hall

I would be happy to attend for a jitsi meetup. I might even be willing to give a lecture about why I welcome Fedora to be on Lenovo laptops. md On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:35 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > I hope everybody is staying safe and healthy. While Linux doesn't need > virus protection, we do. Wash your hands you filthy animals. > > As the subject reads, we're going to be doing the WLUG meeting online. > I've been active in the wlug-ma irc channel as have others. > > What do people think about Jitsi for doing a video meetup? > > Refreshments will not be provided and we won't be going out for dinner!! > > Stay home, stay safe and I hope we'll all get to see each other soon. > > Later, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LNHAH… >

April 24, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed

by Jon "maddog" Hall

>I think people are allowed to have some expectations of the speakers -- My expectations are that the speakers are bad at best and miserable at worst. I am seldom disappointed. md On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 2:20 PM Michael Voorhis via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > I think people are allowed to have some expectations of the speakers -- > within the context of those speakers being about 8x15mm in size of > course. I doubt anyone expects to throw out their home stereo system > (much better for annoying people anyway) after buying an ultraportable > computer. > > --MCV. > > On 4/24/20 1:52 PM, Jon "maddog" Hall wrote: > > From my own viewpoint, anyone that expects laptop speakers (and built > > in microphones) to be good is both dreaming and someone who wants to > > annoy their family members and office mates. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VKZX4… >

April 24, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed

by Michael Voorhis

I think people are allowed to have some expectations of the speakers -- within the context of those speakers being about 8x15mm in size of course. I doubt anyone expects to throw out their home stereo system (much better for annoying people anyway) after buying an ultraportable computer. --MCV. On 4/24/20 1:52 PM, Jon "maddog" Hall wrote: > From my own viewpoint, anyone that expects laptop speakers (and built > in microphones) to be good is both dreaming and someone who wants to > annoy their family members and office mates.

April 24, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Josh, You are speaking to someone who had to organize one of the first "No Microsoft desktop systems" from Digital which (due to our contract with Microsoft was worse than it should have been) called the "Universal Desktop Box" (UDB) also known (when running Microsoft NT) as the "Multia". So I assume you are stating the obvious for the other people on this mailing list, and not me. I also personally know Jeffrey Bennett, the young man (well, he was young then) down in Australia who first tried to get his "refund" because he was not using Windows, and what a "shite show" that was, for reasons that Jeffrey refused to recognize. But the struggles of this issue is best to be discussed in my ongoing "stories of the Maddog" now appearing on my Facebook site. md On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 1:36 PM Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Jon, > > I think that bloatware does in general help with subsidizing laptop costs, > but that depends on the type of laptop and the licensing agreement that an > OEM has with Microsoft. In general, business laptops have little bloatware > compared to consumer lines, therefore it becomes easier to gauge how much > of a "tax" Windows can have on those. For example, choosing FreeDOS instead > of Windows can reduce the price of a HP Elitebook/ProBook by up to $230 if > you check out the customization options: > > https://store.hp.com/us/en/mlp/laptops/elite-352503--1 > https://store.hp.com/us/en/mdp/laptops/hp-probook-11-x360--1 > > Dell Developer Edition laptops you can also generally expect to be about > $50 cheaper than their Windows counterparts for the same hardware > configuration. > > https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/laptops/new-13/spd/xps-13-9300-laptop > > -Josh > > > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, 13:09 Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> I have a six-year-old Lenovo W510 "workstation" laptop that has both the >> fingerprint reader and a set of sensors that sense the colors on the LCD >> screen (used for coordinating the colors of a screen with a printer and a >> scanner). I easily got both of them working six years ago, but have not >> kept them up to date because I have not had a real use for them. >> >> I may update the W510 with a new laptop after USB 4.x comes out. Having >> 40 Gbits/second is too tempting. >> >> md >> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:58 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> This was how my install of Ubuntu on my ThinkPad T470 went. Everything >>> just works. The only thing I haven't bothered with is the fingerprint >>> reader. >>> >>> Tim. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:33 PM Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>>> >* Why can't they just offer instructions on how to get drivers working >>>> >properly? >>>> >>>> They will probably do this too, but you have to understand a couple of >>>> things. >>>> >>>> (1) First, many customers do not want to "fiddle" with their >>>> purchases. They want to open the box, fill in their name, etc. and work >>>> (or play). >>>> (2) Secondly, it is one thing if you want to "fiddle" with one laptop >>>> you purchased, it is another thing if you have to "fiddle" with hundreds >>>> that you purchased for your company. (See Figure 1) >>>> (3) Stores want to have laptops on display. WE want to have GNU/Linux >>>> laptops on display. Stores do NOT want to have to "fiddle" with the laptop >>>> just to show GNU/Linux working. If the stores (particularly big box >>>> stores) have to "fiddle" THEY WILL NOT SHOW GNU/LINUX. >>>> (4) Computers "need" to ship with some OS on them. If GNU/Linux is not >>>> installed it will be MS (BSD? In your dreams. Nothing against BSD, but >>>> the numbers of units do not work). If MS is on there, the manufacturers >>>> and stores and customers will pay an MS "tax". >>>> >>>> >* Will their "special" linux have all the bloatware that theiw Windows >>>> > installs have? Yuck! >>>> >>>> That "bloatware" makes your laptop less expensive. The bloatware >>>> companies pay to have that bloatware on there. If it was not there, the >>>> laptops would cost more. >>>> >>>> "rm" works. Use it. >>>> >>>> md >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:21 PM Michael Voorhis via WLUG < >>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm similar. I've never had trouble installing Linux on a thinkpad... >>>>> would be a little suspicious about having one with an "altered" distro >>>>> installed. >>>>> >>>>> * Why can't they just offer instructions on how to get drivers working >>>>> properly? >>>>> >>>>> * Will their "special" linux have all the bloatware that theiw Windows >>>>> installs have? Yuck! >>>>> >>>>> --MCV. >>>>> >>>>> On 4/24/20 12:16 PM, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: >>>>> > For full disclosure, I purchase all of my laptops new (not used), all >>>>> > "top of the line" and ALL have been Thinkpads for the past quarter >>>>> > century, ever since I saw that Ted T'so was using one. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>>> Change Settings: >>>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3I5KZ… >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/SVOFW… >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> constituents as "consumers". >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5TF5T… >> >

April 24, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] Re: Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed

by Krichevsky, Nicholas J.

> The speakers can't possibly be any worse than the ones on my gen6 x1 carbon. Yup. I have a 5G X1 and the speakers are in the stupidest position ever. They're awful. ________________________________ From: Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 1:35 PM Cc: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>; mvoorhis(a)mcvau.net <mvoorhis(a)mcvau.net> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Re: [EXT] Re: Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed The speakers can't possibly be any worse than the ones on my gen6 x1 carbon. On 4/24/20 1:34 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > This is a stupid one, but it should be noted.. it's internal speakers > are garbage. It's clear they intend you to use BT or headphones... _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… Change Settings: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… Web Forum/Archive: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…

April 24, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Few laptops are "perfect". From my own viewpoint, anyone that expects laptop speakers (and built in microphones) to be good is both dreaming and someone who wants to annoy their family members and office mates. Earphones...earphones. md On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 1:35 PM Michael Voorhis via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > The speakers can't possibly be any worse than the ones on my gen6 x1 > carbon. > > On 4/24/20 1:34 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > > This is a stupid one, but it should be noted.. it's internal speakers > > are garbage. It's clear they intend you to use BT or headphones... > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NPKWA… >

April 24, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed

by Joshua Stone

Jon, I think that bloatware does in general help with subsidizing laptop costs, but that depends on the type of laptop and the licensing agreement that an OEM has with Microsoft. In general, business laptops have little bloatware compared to consumer lines, therefore it becomes easier to gauge how much of a "tax" Windows can have on those. For example, choosing FreeDOS instead of Windows can reduce the price of a HP Elitebook/ProBook by up to $230 if you check out the customization options: https://store.hp.com/us/en/mlp/laptops/elite-352503--1 https://store.hp.com/us/en/mdp/laptops/hp-probook-11-x360--1 Dell Developer Edition laptops you can also generally expect to be about $50 cheaper than their Windows counterparts for the same hardware configuration. https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/laptops/new-13/spd/xps-13-9300-laptop -Josh On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, 13:09 Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I have a six-year-old Lenovo W510 "workstation" laptop that has both the > fingerprint reader and a set of sensors that sense the colors on the LCD > screen (used for coordinating the colors of a screen with a printer and a > scanner). I easily got both of them working six years ago, but have not > kept them up to date because I have not had a real use for them. > > I may update the W510 with a new laptop after USB 4.x comes out. Having > 40 Gbits/second is too tempting. > > md > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:58 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> This was how my install of Ubuntu on my ThinkPad T470 went. Everything >> just works. The only thing I haven't bothered with is the fingerprint >> reader. >> >> Tim. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:33 PM Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >>> >* Why can't they just offer instructions on how to get drivers working >>> >properly? >>> >>> They will probably do this too, but you have to understand a couple of >>> things. >>> >>> (1) First, many customers do not want to "fiddle" with their purchases. >>> They want to open the box, fill in their name, etc. and work (or play). >>> (2) Secondly, it is one thing if you want to "fiddle" with one laptop >>> you purchased, it is another thing if you have to "fiddle" with hundreds >>> that you purchased for your company. (See Figure 1) >>> (3) Stores want to have laptops on display. WE want to have GNU/Linux >>> laptops on display. Stores do NOT want to have to "fiddle" with the laptop >>> just to show GNU/Linux working. If the stores (particularly big box >>> stores) have to "fiddle" THEY WILL NOT SHOW GNU/LINUX. >>> (4) Computers "need" to ship with some OS on them. If GNU/Linux is not >>> installed it will be MS (BSD? In your dreams. Nothing against BSD, but >>> the numbers of units do not work). If MS is on there, the manufacturers >>> and stores and customers will pay an MS "tax". >>> >>> >* Will their "special" linux have all the bloatware that theiw Windows >>> > installs have? Yuck! >>> >>> That "bloatware" makes your laptop less expensive. The bloatware >>> companies pay to have that bloatware on there. If it was not there, the >>> laptops would cost more. >>> >>> "rm" works. Use it. >>> >>> md >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:21 PM Michael Voorhis via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm similar. I've never had trouble installing Linux on a thinkpad... >>>> would be a little suspicious about having one with an "altered" distro >>>> installed. >>>> >>>> * Why can't they just offer instructions on how to get drivers working >>>> properly? >>>> >>>> * Will their "special" linux have all the bloatware that theiw Windows >>>> installs have? Yuck! >>>> >>>> --MCV. >>>> >>>> On 4/24/20 12:16 PM, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: >>>> > For full disclosure, I purchase all of my laptops new (not used), all >>>> > "top of the line" and ALL have been Thinkpads for the past quarter >>>> > century, ever since I saw that Ted T'so was using one. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3I5KZ… >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/SVOFW… >>> >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5TF5T… >

April 24, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed

by Michael Voorhis

The speakers can't possibly be any worse than the ones on my gen6 x1 carbon. On 4/24/20 1:34 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > This is a stupid one, but it should be noted.. it's internal speakers > are garbage. It's clear they intend you to use BT or headphones...

April 24, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed

by Tim Keller

I also have a W510 kicking around here... While I was singing the T470's praises, I do have the following complaints... 1. It's fragile. You can't handle this the way you'd handle a W510 and expect it to last. 2. While it has two batteries, one of them is buried inside the laptop quite deeply. Yeah, you can change it out, but good luck... 3. This is a stupid one, but it should be noted.. it's internal speakers are garbage. It's clear they intend you to use BT or headphones... Beyond those complaints, it's a great machine. Long battery life, blisteringly fast disk. Tim. On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 1:08 PM Jon "maddog" Hall <jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I have a six-year-old Lenovo W510 "workstation" laptop that has both the > fingerprint reader and a set of sensors that sense the colors on the LCD > screen (used for coordinating the colors of a screen with a printer and a > scanner). I easily got both of them working six years ago, but have not > kept them up to date because I have not had a real use for them. > > I may update the W510 with a new laptop after USB 4.x comes out. Having > 40 Gbits/second is too tempting. > > md > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:58 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> This was how my install of Ubuntu on my ThinkPad T470 went. Everything >> just works. The only thing I haven't bothered with is the fingerprint >> reader. >> >> Tim. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:33 PM Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >>> >* Why can't they just offer instructions on how to get drivers working >>> >properly? >>> >>> They will probably do this too, but you have to understand a couple of >>> things. >>> >>> (1) First, many customers do not want to "fiddle" with their purchases. >>> They want to open the box, fill in their name, etc. and work (or play). >>> (2) Secondly, it is one thing if you want to "fiddle" with one laptop >>> you purchased, it is another thing if you have to "fiddle" with hundreds >>> that you purchased for your company. (See Figure 1) >>> (3) Stores want to have laptops on display. WE want to have GNU/Linux >>> laptops on display. Stores do NOT want to have to "fiddle" with the laptop >>> just to show GNU/Linux working. If the stores (particularly big box >>> stores) have to "fiddle" THEY WILL NOT SHOW GNU/LINUX. >>> (4) Computers "need" to ship with some OS on them. If GNU/Linux is not >>> installed it will be MS (BSD? In your dreams. Nothing against BSD, but >>> the numbers of units do not work). If MS is on there, the manufacturers >>> and stores and customers will pay an MS "tax". >>> >>> >* Will their "special" linux have all the bloatware that theiw Windows >>> > installs have? Yuck! >>> >>> That "bloatware" makes your laptop less expensive. The bloatware >>> companies pay to have that bloatware on there. If it was not there, the >>> laptops would cost more. >>> >>> "rm" works. Use it. >>> >>> md >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:21 PM Michael Voorhis via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm similar. I've never had trouble installing Linux on a thinkpad... >>>> would be a little suspicious about having one with an "altered" distro >>>> installed. >>>> >>>> * Why can't they just offer instructions on how to get drivers working >>>> properly? >>>> >>>> * Will their "special" linux have all the bloatware that theiw Windows >>>> installs have? Yuck! >>>> >>>> --MCV. >>>> >>>> On 4/24/20 12:16 PM, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: >>>> > For full disclosure, I purchase all of my laptops new (not used), all >>>> > "top of the line" and ALL have been Thinkpads for the past quarter >>>> > century, ever since I saw that Ted T'so was using one. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3I5KZ… >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/SVOFW… >>> >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 24, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed

by Jon "maddog" Hall

I have a six-year-old Lenovo W510 "workstation" laptop that has both the fingerprint reader and a set of sensors that sense the colors on the LCD screen (used for coordinating the colors of a screen with a printer and a scanner). I easily got both of them working six years ago, but have not kept them up to date because I have not had a real use for them. I may update the W510 with a new laptop after USB 4.x comes out. Having 40 Gbits/second is too tempting. md On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:58 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > This was how my install of Ubuntu on my ThinkPad T470 went. Everything > just works. The only thing I haven't bothered with is the fingerprint > reader. > > Tim. > > > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:33 PM Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> >* Why can't they just offer instructions on how to get drivers working >> >properly? >> >> They will probably do this too, but you have to understand a couple of >> things. >> >> (1) First, many customers do not want to "fiddle" with their purchases. >> They want to open the box, fill in their name, etc. and work (or play). >> (2) Secondly, it is one thing if you want to "fiddle" with one laptop you >> purchased, it is another thing if you have to "fiddle" with hundreds that >> you purchased for your company. (See Figure 1) >> (3) Stores want to have laptops on display. WE want to have GNU/Linux >> laptops on display. Stores do NOT want to have to "fiddle" with the laptop >> just to show GNU/Linux working. If the stores (particularly big box >> stores) have to "fiddle" THEY WILL NOT SHOW GNU/LINUX. >> (4) Computers "need" to ship with some OS on them. If GNU/Linux is not >> installed it will be MS (BSD? In your dreams. Nothing against BSD, but >> the numbers of units do not work). If MS is on there, the manufacturers >> and stores and customers will pay an MS "tax". >> >> >* Will their "special" linux have all the bloatware that theiw Windows >> > installs have? Yuck! >> >> That "bloatware" makes your laptop less expensive. The bloatware >> companies pay to have that bloatware on there. If it was not there, the >> laptops would cost more. >> >> "rm" works. Use it. >> >> md >> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:21 PM Michael Voorhis via WLUG < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >>> I'm similar. I've never had trouble installing Linux on a thinkpad... >>> would be a little suspicious about having one with an "altered" distro >>> installed. >>> >>> * Why can't they just offer instructions on how to get drivers working >>> properly? >>> >>> * Will their "special" linux have all the bloatware that theiw Windows >>> installs have? Yuck! >>> >>> --MCV. >>> >>> On 4/24/20 12:16 PM, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: >>> > For full disclosure, I purchase all of my laptops new (not used), all >>> > "top of the line" and ALL have been Thinkpads for the past quarter >>> > century, ever since I saw that Ted T'so was using one. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3I5KZ… >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/SVOFW… >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". >

April 24, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed

by Tim Keller

This was how my install of Ubuntu on my ThinkPad T470 went. Everything just works. The only thing I haven't bothered with is the fingerprint reader. Tim. On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:33 PM Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >* Why can't they just offer instructions on how to get drivers working > >properly? > > They will probably do this too, but you have to understand a couple of > things. > > (1) First, many customers do not want to "fiddle" with their purchases. > They want to open the box, fill in their name, etc. and work (or play). > (2) Secondly, it is one thing if you want to "fiddle" with one laptop you > purchased, it is another thing if you have to "fiddle" with hundreds that > you purchased for your company. (See Figure 1) > (3) Stores want to have laptops on display. WE want to have GNU/Linux > laptops on display. Stores do NOT want to have to "fiddle" with the laptop > just to show GNU/Linux working. If the stores (particularly big box > stores) have to "fiddle" THEY WILL NOT SHOW GNU/LINUX. > (4) Computers "need" to ship with some OS on them. If GNU/Linux is not > installed it will be MS (BSD? In your dreams. Nothing against BSD, but > the numbers of units do not work). If MS is on there, the manufacturers > and stores and customers will pay an MS "tax". > > >* Will their "special" linux have all the bloatware that theiw Windows > > installs have? Yuck! > > That "bloatware" makes your laptop less expensive. The bloatware > companies pay to have that bloatware on there. If it was not there, the > laptops would cost more. > > "rm" works. Use it. > > md > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:21 PM Michael Voorhis via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> I'm similar. I've never had trouble installing Linux on a thinkpad... >> would be a little suspicious about having one with an "altered" distro >> installed. >> >> * Why can't they just offer instructions on how to get drivers working >> properly? >> >> * Will their "special" linux have all the bloatware that theiw Windows >> installs have? Yuck! >> >> --MCV. >> >> On 4/24/20 12:16 PM, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: >> > For full disclosure, I purchase all of my laptops new (not used), all >> > "top of the line" and ALL have been Thinkpads for the past quarter >> > century, ever since I saw that Ted T'so was using one. >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3I5KZ… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/SVOFW… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 24, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed

by Jon "maddog" Hall

>* Why can't they just offer instructions on how to get drivers working >properly? They will probably do this too, but you have to understand a couple of things. (1) First, many customers do not want to "fiddle" with their purchases. They want to open the box, fill in their name, etc. and work (or play). (2) Secondly, it is one thing if you want to "fiddle" with one laptop you purchased, it is another thing if you have to "fiddle" with hundreds that you purchased for your company. (See Figure 1) (3) Stores want to have laptops on display. WE want to have GNU/Linux laptops on display. Stores do NOT want to have to "fiddle" with the laptop just to show GNU/Linux working. If the stores (particularly big box stores) have to "fiddle" THEY WILL NOT SHOW GNU/LINUX. (4) Computers "need" to ship with some OS on them. If GNU/Linux is not installed it will be MS (BSD? In your dreams. Nothing against BSD, but the numbers of units do not work). If MS is on there, the manufacturers and stores and customers will pay an MS "tax". >* Will their "special" linux have all the bloatware that theiw Windows > installs have? Yuck! That "bloatware" makes your laptop less expensive. The bloatware companies pay to have that bloatware on there. If it was not there, the laptops would cost more. "rm" works. Use it. md On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:21 PM Michael Voorhis via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I'm similar. I've never had trouble installing Linux on a thinkpad... > would be a little suspicious about having one with an "altered" distro > installed. > > * Why can't they just offer instructions on how to get drivers working > properly? > > * Will their "special" linux have all the bloatware that theiw Windows > installs have? Yuck! > > --MCV. > > On 4/24/20 12:16 PM, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: > > For full disclosure, I purchase all of my laptops new (not used), all > > "top of the line" and ALL have been Thinkpads for the past quarter > > century, ever since I saw that Ted T'so was using one. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3I5KZ… >

April 24, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed

by Joshua Stone

Considering Thinkpads are Lenovo's business line and Lenovo already has good firmware update support (https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/) Lenovo should be able to learn lessons from previous OEM attempts to provide good support. This feels very different from before where Linux was relegated to cheap computers (remember Moblin?), giving people the impression that Linux was a low quality OS. Now we're seeing big players cooperate to provide official support on premium computers, with official packages to boot! I think Fedora on its own is a great choice for a pre-installed distro too. Fedora is very upstream-friendly, and since it has a policy of updating the kernel and drivers quickly with few modifications, it's generally a good indicator of overall Linux distro support. -Josh On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, 12:17 Jon "maddog" Hall <jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > For full disclosure, I purchase all of my laptops new (not used), all "top > of the line" and ALL have been Thinkpads for the past quarter century, ever > since I saw that Ted T'so was using one. > > md > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:14 PM Jon "maddog" Hall < > jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> No idea, but since IBM now owns Red Hat, and since the President of IBM >> is now Jim Whitehurst who was the former President and CEO of Red Hat, I >> will assume that even though IBM no longer owns Lenovo that there may be a >> range of laptops that run Fedora, not just "the low end". >> >> Just guessin' >> >> md >> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM Gelman, Ian S. <isgelman(a)wpi.edu> wrote: >> >>> Do we think Lenovo will apply Dell's lessons learned from the early >>> 2010s back when they tried to ship Ubuntu on their entry-level laptops? >>> >>> Ian (from mobile device) >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >>> *Sent:* Friday, April 24, 2020 12:01:01 PM >>> *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >>> *Cc:* Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com>; Jon "maddog" Hall < >>> jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> >>> *Subject:* [EXT] [WLUG] Re: Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> In theory this will help other GNU/Linux distros too, since eventually >>> the device drivers for all of the parts of the laptops will go upstream and >>> down to the distributions. >>> >>> My findings with Lenovo (and IBM before them) was that they had pretty >>> good support for the devices anyway, it is just that you might have to >>> "dicker" with them to get the support working. I always attributed this >>> (in the beginning anyway) to Ted T'so working for IBM and using Thinkpads >>> as his own, personal laptop...but that might just be urban legend. >>> >>> Good news in any case. >>> >>> md >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 11:56 AM Joshua Stone via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>> Hey everyone, >>> >>> Apparently Lenovo is planning on shipping Fedora on their Thinkpad >>> lines, and will use only packages from the official repos instead of custom >>> packages. >>> >>> I think this is great news as somebody who shopped for Thinkpads before >>> and had to contact support about refunding a Windows license (turns out >>> that wasn't possible at the time). Having a distro pre-installed should >>> mean improved hardware compatibility, and maybe even be able contact >>> support for Linux-specific issues. >>> >>> More info here: >>> >>> https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-laptops/ >>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffedoramag…> >>> >>> -Josh >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7AGYG… >>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> >>> >>>

April 24, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed

by Michael Voorhis

I'm similar. I've never had trouble installing Linux on a thinkpad... would be a little suspicious about having one with an "altered" distro installed. * Why can't they just offer instructions on how to get drivers working properly? * Will their "special" linux have all the bloatware that theiw Windows installs have? Yuck! --MCV. On 4/24/20 12:16 PM, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: > For full disclosure, I purchase all of my laptops new (not used), all > "top of the line" and ALL have been Thinkpads for the past quarter > century, ever since I saw that Ted T'so was using one.

April 24, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed

by Jon "maddog" Hall

For full disclosure, I purchase all of my laptops new (not used), all "top of the line" and ALL have been Thinkpads for the past quarter century, ever since I saw that Ted T'so was using one. md On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:14 PM Jon "maddog" Hall < jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > No idea, but since IBM now owns Red Hat, and since the President of IBM is > now Jim Whitehurst who was the former President and CEO of Red Hat, I will > assume that even though IBM no longer owns Lenovo that there may be a range > of laptops that run Fedora, not just "the low end". > > Just guessin' > > md > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM Gelman, Ian S. <isgelman(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > >> Do we think Lenovo will apply Dell's lessons learned from the early 2010s >> back when they tried to ship Ubuntu on their entry-level laptops? >> >> Ian (from mobile device) >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> *Sent:* Friday, April 24, 2020 12:01:01 PM >> *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> *Cc:* Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com>; Jon "maddog" Hall < >> jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> >> *Subject:* [EXT] [WLUG] Re: Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed >> >> Hi, >> >> In theory this will help other GNU/Linux distros too, since eventually >> the device drivers for all of the parts of the laptops will go upstream and >> down to the distributions. >> >> My findings with Lenovo (and IBM before them) was that they had pretty >> good support for the devices anyway, it is just that you might have to >> "dicker" with them to get the support working. I always attributed this >> (in the beginning anyway) to Ted T'so working for IBM and using Thinkpads >> as his own, personal laptop...but that might just be urban legend. >> >> Good news in any case. >> >> md >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 11:56 AM Joshua Stone via WLUG < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> Hey everyone, >> >> Apparently Lenovo is planning on shipping Fedora on their Thinkpad lines, >> and will use only packages from the official repos instead of custom >> packages. >> >> I think this is great news as somebody who shopped for Thinkpads before >> and had to contact support about refunding a Windows license (turns out >> that wasn't possible at the time). Having a distro pre-installed should >> mean improved hardware compatibility, and maybe even be able contact >> support for Linux-specific issues. >> >> More info here: >> >> https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-laptops/ >> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffedoramag…> >> >> -Josh >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7AGYG… >> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> >> >>

April 24, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed

by Jon "maddog" Hall

No idea, but since IBM now owns Red Hat, and since the President of IBM is now Jim Whitehurst who was the former President and CEO of Red Hat, I will assume that even though IBM no longer owns Lenovo that there may be a range of laptops that run Fedora, not just "the low end". Just guessin' md On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM Gelman, Ian S. <isgelman(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Do we think Lenovo will apply Dell's lessons learned from the early 2010s > back when they tried to ship Ubuntu on their entry-level laptops? > > Ian (from mobile device) > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Friday, April 24, 2020 12:01:01 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > *Cc:* Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com>; Jon "maddog" Hall < > jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> > *Subject:* [EXT] [WLUG] Re: Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed > > Hi, > > In theory this will help other GNU/Linux distros too, since eventually the > device drivers for all of the parts of the laptops will go upstream and > down to the distributions. > > My findings with Lenovo (and IBM before them) was that they had pretty > good support for the devices anyway, it is just that you might have to > "dicker" with them to get the support working. I always attributed this > (in the beginning anyway) to Ted T'so working for IBM and using Thinkpads > as his own, personal laptop...but that might just be urban legend. > > Good news in any case. > > md > > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 11:56 AM Joshua Stone via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > Apparently Lenovo is planning on shipping Fedora on their Thinkpad lines, > and will use only packages from the official repos instead of custom > packages. > > I think this is great news as somebody who shopped for Thinkpads before > and had to contact support about refunding a Windows license (turns out > that wasn't possible at the time). Having a distro pre-installed should > mean improved hardware compatibility, and maybe even be able contact > support for Linux-specific issues. > > More info here: > > https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-laptops/ > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffedoramag…> > > -Josh > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7AGYG… > <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> > >

April 24, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed

by Gelman, Ian S.

Do we think Lenovo will apply Dell's lessons learned from the early 2010s back when they tried to ship Ubuntu on their entry-level laptops? Ian (from mobile device) ________________________________ From: Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 12:01:01 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com>; Jon "maddog" Hall <jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Re: Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed Hi, In theory this will help other GNU/Linux distros too, since eventually the device drivers for all of the parts of the laptops will go upstream and down to the distributions. My findings with Lenovo (and IBM before them) was that they had pretty good support for the devices anyway, it is just that you might have to "dicker" with them to get the support working. I always attributed this (in the beginning anyway) to Ted T'so working for IBM and using Thinkpads as his own, personal laptop...but that might just be urban legend. Good news in any case. md On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 11:56 AM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: Hey everyone, Apparently Lenovo is planning on shipping Fedora on their Thinkpad lines, and will use only packages from the official repos instead of custom packages. I think this is great news as somebody who shopped for Thinkpads before and had to contact support about refunding a Windows license (turns out that wasn't possible at the time). Having a distro pre-installed should mean improved hardware compatibility, and maybe even be able contact support for Linux-specific issues. More info here: https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-laptops/<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffedoramag…> -Josh _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7AGYG…<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…>

April 24, 2020

Re: Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Hi, In theory this will help other GNU/Linux distros too, since eventually the device drivers for all of the parts of the laptops will go upstream and down to the distributions. My findings with Lenovo (and IBM before them) was that they had pretty good support for the devices anyway, it is just that you might have to "dicker" with them to get the support working. I always attributed this (in the beginning anyway) to Ted T'so working for IBM and using Thinkpads as his own, personal laptop...but that might just be urban legend. Good news in any case. md On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 11:56 AM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > Apparently Lenovo is planning on shipping Fedora on their Thinkpad lines, > and will use only packages from the official repos instead of custom > packages. > > I think this is great news as somebody who shopped for Thinkpads before > and had to contact support about refunding a Windows license (turns out > that wasn't possible at the time). Having a distro pre-installed should > mean improved hardware compatibility, and maybe even be able contact > support for Linux-specific issues. > > More info here: > > https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-laptops/ > > -Josh > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7AGYG… >

April 24, 2020

Lenovo shipping Linux pre-installed

by Joshua Stone

Hey everyone, Apparently Lenovo is planning on shipping Fedora on their Thinkpad lines, and will use only packages from the official repos instead of custom packages. I think this is great news as somebody who shopped for Thinkpads before and had to contact support about refunding a Windows license (turns out that wasn't possible at the time). Having a distro pre-installed should mean improved hardware compatibility, and maybe even be able contact support for Linux-specific issues. More info here: https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-laptops/ -Josh

April 24, 2020

Re: [BBLISA] audit root/sudo users for RHEL 6 server

by Dean Anderson

You need to report who has the root passwords and who is in the sudo files, and whether there are any other means of becoming root. Powerbroker or other tools including Tivoli, puppet etc are included. If you can run a puppet script as root, you’re root. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 17, 2020, at 11:56 AM, John Malloy <jomalloy(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > What is the best way to provide proof to an audit person who needs to know all the root/sudo users for a RHEL 6 server? > > (I am new at this company, and don't have access to all their resources) > > We can provide the /etc/passwd & /etc/sudoers file (the auditor may not know how to read these files) > > We also have the RedHat Identity Management running here, but I am not familiar with this tool. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks! > > > John Malloy > jomalloy(a)gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > bblisa mailing list > bblisa(a)bblisa.org > http://www.bblisa.org/mailman/listinfo/bblisa

April 18, 2020

Re: [BBLISA] audit root/sudo users for RHEL 6 server

by Lois Blood Bennett

I find it interesting that the auditors don't know all of this stuff or have their own experts to tell you what they need. On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 4:24 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "John" == John Malloy <jomalloy(a)gmail.com> writes: > > John> They just want to know who can login as route or sudo > > And so do you! :-) > > John> These are both Oracle servers and they only have a route and Oracle > account > > That you know of. Auditing, while painful and not fun unless it's > automated, is the solution here. > > John> There’s no additional users in the Sudo file > > It's not that easy, since you also need to look in /etc/sudoers.d/ and > also need to parse out group membership and check the sudoers* files > for group entries. It's *not* trivial. > > But again, it's the auditing part that the auditors will be concerned > about. How to do validate your results? How do you know that us > powerful sysadmins aren't hacking the reports and ignoring certain > accounts in the reports so that we can hide stuff? How do you know > someone *else* hasn't hidden a SUID script or program somewhere else > on the system? > > It's a damn rathole honestly, and there's a cost vs benefit call you > need to make. Or more accurately, management needs to make. 100% > security is when the server is off, unplugged from everything and > buried in a hole. In concrete. :-) > > Be thankful you're not having to go through PCI compliance audits for > handling credit cards, I've heard they're even worse! > > John > > John> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:39 PM Dan Ritter <dsr(a)randomstring.org> > wrote: > > John> John Malloy wrote: > >> What is the best way to provide proof to an audit person who needs to > know > >> all the root/sudo users for a RHEL 6 server? > >> > >> (I am new at this company, and don't have access to all their resources) > >> > >> We can provide the /etc/passwd & /etc/sudoers file (the auditor > may > >> not know how to read these files) > >> > >> We also have the RedHat Identity Management running here, but I am not > >> familiar with this tool. > > John> What question did they ask? It's important. > > John> -dsr- > > John> -- > > John> John Malloy > > John> _______________________________________________ > John> bblisa mailing list > John> bblisa(a)bblisa.org > John> http://www.bblisa.org/mailman/listinfo/bblisa > > _______________________________________________ > bblisa mailing list > bblisa(a)bblisa.org > http://www.bblisa.org/mailman/listinfo/bblisa

April 17, 2020

Re: [BBLISA] audit root/sudo users for RHEL 6 server

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "John" == John Malloy <jomalloy(a)gmail.com> writes: John> They just want to know who can login as route or sudo And so do you! :-) John> These are both Oracle servers and they only have a route and Oracle account That you know of. Auditing, while painful and not fun unless it's automated, is the solution here. John> There’s no additional users in the Sudo file It's not that easy, since you also need to look in /etc/sudoers.d/ and also need to parse out group membership and check the sudoers* files for group entries. It's *not* trivial. But again, it's the auditing part that the auditors will be concerned about. How to do validate your results? How do you know that us powerful sysadmins aren't hacking the reports and ignoring certain accounts in the reports so that we can hide stuff? How do you know someone *else* hasn't hidden a SUID script or program somewhere else on the system? It's a damn rathole honestly, and there's a cost vs benefit call you need to make. Or more accurately, management needs to make. 100% security is when the server is off, unplugged from everything and buried in a hole. In concrete. :-) Be thankful you're not having to go through PCI compliance audits for handling credit cards, I've heard they're even worse! John John> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:39 PM Dan Ritter <dsr(a)randomstring.org> wrote: John> John Malloy wrote: >> What is the best way to provide proof to an audit person who needs to know >> all the root/sudo users for a RHEL 6 server? >> >> (I am new at this company, and don't have access to all their resources) >> >> We can provide the /etc/passwd & /etc/sudoers file (the auditor may >> not know how to read these files) >> >> We also have the RedHat Identity Management running here, but I am not >> familiar with this tool. John> What question did they ask? It's important. John> -dsr- John> -- John> John Malloy John> _______________________________________________ John> bblisa mailing list John> bblisa(a)bblisa.org John> http://www.bblisa.org/mailman/listinfo/bblisa

April 17, 2020

Re: [BBLISA] audit root/sudo users for RHEL 6 server

by John Malloy

They just want to know who can login as route or sudo These are both Oracle servers and they only have a route and Oracle account There’s no additional users in the Sudo file On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 1:39 PM Dan Ritter <dsr(a)randomstring.org> wrote: > John Malloy wrote: > > What is the best way to provide proof to an audit person who needs to > know > > all the root/sudo users for a RHEL 6 server? > > > > (I am new at this company, and don't have access to all their resources) > > > > We can provide the /etc/passwd & /etc/sudoers file (the auditor may > > not know how to read these files) > > > > We also have the RedHat Identity Management running here, but I am not > > familiar with this tool. > > What question did they ask? It's important. > > -dsr- > -- John Malloy

April 17, 2020

Re: [BBLISA] audit root/sudo users for RHEL 6 server

by John Stoffel

John> What is the best way to provide proof to an audit person who John> needs to know all the root/sudo users for a RHEL 6 server? It depends on what they take as "proof" of your audit process. Our current auditors want screen shots of files with a clock in the corner, which makes *zero* sense, so we're working to educate them and to put a better system in place. It might be that tripwire is the possible solution, started off first in a very targeted way. John> (I am new at this company, and don't have access to all their resources) John> We can provide the /etc/passwd & /etc/sudoers file (the John> auditor may not know how to read these files) The probably don't *care* what the files say, but more "what is your process to monitor and keep track of changes?". And of course management of adding and removing acounts. John> We also have the RedHat Identity Management running here, but John> I am not familiar with this tool. Never used it. Auditing is documenting a process and having controls and being able to show you use them and of course can justify them. John

April 17, 2020

Re: [BBLISA] audit root/sudo users for RHEL 6 server

by Dan Ritter

John Malloy wrote: > What is the best way to provide proof to an audit person who needs to know > all the root/sudo users for a RHEL 6 server? > > (I am new at this company, and don't have access to all their resources) > > We can provide the /etc/passwd & /etc/sudoers file (the auditor may > not know how to read these files) > > We also have the RedHat Identity Management running here, but I am not > familiar with this tool. What question did they ask? It's important. -dsr-

April 17, 2020

audit root/sudo users for RHEL 6 server

by John Malloy

What is the best way to provide proof to an audit person who needs to know all the root/sudo users for a RHEL 6 server? (I am new at this company, and don't have access to all their resources) We can provide the /etc/passwd & /etc/sudoers file (the auditor may not know how to read these files) We also have the RedHat Identity Management running here, but I am not familiar with this tool. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks! John Malloy jomalloy(a)gmail.com

April 17, 2020

Re: April WLUG virtual meeting was a resounding success!

by Doug Mildram

tim> While it wasn't the same as a physical meeting, when we do manage to get ourselves all back in the same room.... doug>......by next meeting, maybe the wow factor of our WLUG Jitsi meeting will have faded. Or not! Either way, as we continue, i say THANKS, Very Cool (so far!) to have household members bop in to say hi. FEATURE: potential quick peek/hi's to/from your family/etc, some of whom we might know, + some we'd never "meet" otherwise! So get your laptop webcam working if you dare in May. Or...especially when lacking a pc-with-webcam, you might easily USE YOUR CELLPHONE to connect to Jitsi, as a couple of us did last week. I merely pointed my cellphone browser (google phone, if that matters) at the WLUG Jitsi link and it immediately offered me the free app ! (Part of the "too easy"if I don't mind "buying" a $0.00 app to attend meeting, battle cabin fever, show my ugly face and see my esteemed friends). TECH TWEAK for such meeting(s):? we should start with "audio/volume check", since our 10-or-so crowd unfortunately had "some kinda loud, others very weak" variables, and one might even get confused between weak/low-volume, vs other noise/combined-output issues. On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 8:51 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > I just wanted to give a shout out to everybody who showed up to the > virtual meeting last night. It was cool to see Maddog show up, I'm glad > he's staying safe and healthy. > > Yeah, there were a couple of audio/video hiccups, but I thought overall it > went great. > > I shared my screen a couple of times and that worked just fine as well. > > One cool thing that was brought up doing the meeting and I thought was > worth talking about is "vscodium" which is a 100% open source recompile of > the visual studio code editor. The big difference is that the vscode as > shipped from microsoft contains telemetry tracking data that gets sent back > to the mothership... https://vscodium.com/ solves that problem. > > We obviously jibber jabbed about COVID19 and folding@home and Logan > showed off the facemasks he's been printing as well as the antennae he's > building to contact a long lost satellite in geostationary orbit. > > While it wasn't the same as a physical meeting, when we do manage to get > ourselves all back in the same room, I think it's something we'll > definitely incorporate into the physical meetings. > > Stay safe, stay healthy and wash your hands! > > We'll see what May brings us and decide from there... > > Tim. > WLUG President > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VMGQ6… >

April 13, 2020

ansible layout thoughts

by John Stoffel

Guys, I'm starting to work on deplying ansible at $WORK to start managing a bunch of existing servers. The goal is to A) get them consistent, B) learn ansible, and C) automate deployments so if I get hit by a bus, they can have a hope of keeping things going. So my first thoughts are about organization. Ansible is a file/directory heavy setup. And I understand how a task has one or more roles. And then a playbook can have one or more tasks. But it's how to manage the overall site or bundles of playbooks that I want to understand. I've looked at: https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/user_guide/playbooks_best_practices… and I think I can deal with the first layout suggestion, but I'd porbably put playbooks into a playbooks/ directory. But... how to keep them organized as my collection grows. Do I want a new directory structure for each group of playbooks? For example I want to do: - add ssh-keys for logins - make sure right repo(s) are configured - ntp client config - postfix config - NIS config - fstab config - nsswitch.conf config So ideally all of the above would be a playbook each, since for example ntp config, would/could include: - install ntp - install default client config - restart ntpd once configured - etc... Where it all comes down to is keeping all this organized nicely, especially as it grows ever more complicated. All the silly examples of setting up a LAMP stack completely gloss over the actual pushing of content, which is really what we want to do. So, thoughts? Real life experience? Suggestions for good training classes? Unfortunately it would have to be online now, not my preferred in-person training.... John

April 13, 2020

Re: Has anyone here built a jitsi server?

by Daniel Walsh

On 4/10/20 14:30, Michael Voorhis via WLUG wrote: > On 4/10/20 2:23 PM, Emiliano Lopez via WLUG wrote: >> I didn't try but may be you can try the container alternative: >> https://jitsi.org/news/jitsi-meets-docker/ > Too easy. Docker's quicker... easier; more seductive. I would only > learn how to use docker, and I want more than that. > > Thank you though, > > --MCV. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7X7J5… > You could also try Podman, just as simple as Docker. (Same CLI) and works in a more secure fashion. You can use it without being root. containers run in your homedir.

April 13, 2020

Re: Has anyone here built a jitsi server?

by Michael Voorhis

On 4/10/20 2:23 PM, Emiliano Lopez via WLUG wrote: > I didn't try but may be you can try the container alternative: > https://jitsi.org/news/jitsi-meets-docker/ Too easy. Docker's quicker... easier; more seductive. I would only learn how to use docker, and I want more than that. Thank you though, --MCV.

April 10, 2020

Re: Has anyone here built a jitsi server?

by Emiliano Lopez

Hi Michael, I didn't try but may be you can try the container alternative: https://jitsi.org/news/jitsi-meets-docker/ good luck On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 21:41, Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Has anyone here built a functional jitsi server? I tried today, with a > fresh Debian-10 install and the jitsi "quick-install" method: > > https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/blob/master/doc/quick-install.md > > It didn't work. jitsi logs indicated a java problem; I had neither the > time nor really the inclination to debug their "stable" install. > > My two test-laptops were able to connect to meet.jit.si and communicated > with eachother using the "free" jitsi server, but when the same two > laptops were connected to the server I'd just built, the two failed to > connect. > > I'll try again tomorrow. The next immediate challenge will be purging > the traces of the failed first experiment from the system. >

April 10, 2020

April WLUG virtual meeting was a resounding success!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, I just wanted to give a shout out to everybody who showed up to the virtual meeting last night. It was cool to see Maddog show up, I'm glad he's staying safe and healthy. Yeah, there were a couple of audio/video hiccups, but I thought overall it went great. I shared my screen a couple of times and that worked just fine as well. One cool thing that was brought up doing the meeting and I thought was worth talking about is "vscodium" which is a 100% open source recompile of the visual studio code editor. The big difference is that the vscode as shipped from microsoft contains telemetry tracking data that gets sent back to the mothership... https://vscodium.com/ solves that problem. We obviously jibber jabbed about COVID19 and folding@home and Logan showed off the facemasks he's been printing as well as the antennae he's building to contact a long lost satellite in geostationary orbit. While it wasn't the same as a physical meeting, when we do manage to get ourselves all back in the same room, I think it's something we'll definitely incorporate into the physical meetings. Stay safe, stay healthy and wash your hands! We'll see what May brings us and decide from there... Tim. WLUG President -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 10, 2020

Has anyone here built a jitsi server?

by Michael Voorhis

Has anyone here built a functional jitsi server? I tried today, with a fresh Debian-10 install and the jitsi "quick-install" method: https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/blob/master/doc/quick-install.md It didn't work. jitsi logs indicated a java problem; I had neither the time nor really the inclination to debug their "stable" install. My two test-laptops were able to connect to meet.jit.si and communicated with eachother using the "free" jitsi server, but when the same two laptops were connected to the server I'd just built, the two failed to connect. I'll try again tomorrow. The next immediate challenge will be purging the traces of the failed first experiment from the system. --MCV.

April 10, 2020

Re: Virtual meeting today! Starting at 7pm, via Jitsi!!

by Rob Evans

Me too. I was in & out briefly, but did not have camera or microphone on my desktop computer. I hope to participate more in the future. - Bob Evans On 4/9/20 6:59 PM, Joel via WLUG wrote: > Hi All, > > Not going to make it to tonight's conference. > > Hope you are all well, > > Joel >

April 9, 2020

Re: Virtual meeting today! Starting at 7pm, via Jitsi!!

by Keith Wright

Joel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Not going to make it to tonight's conference. Neither will I. I think I approve of Jitsi, but I need all the computers to keep working. I am afraid to try something new, for fear of breaking something. I have never used the camera on this laptop. I did no preparation nor downloaded anything, but for the L of it I put the URL into the browser, https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA. It displays a grey rectangle. Tell the mailing list how it worked. -- Keith

April 9, 2020

Re: Virtual meeting today! Starting at 7pm, via Jitsi!!

by Joel

Hi All, Not going to make it to tonight's conference. Hope you are all well, Joel On April 9, 2020 9:01:32 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > We've got a virtual meeting today! > > We're all going to meet on Jitsi! Here's the location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > The big blue button stuff looks really awesome, but I haven't had a chance to dig into it, however for presenting it looks pretty awesome. > > I hope everybody is staying sane and staying safe. > > Later, > Tim Keller > WLUG President > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/24SLW…

April 9, 2020

Virtual meeting today! Starting at 7pm, via Jitsi!!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, We've got a virtual meeting today! We're all going to meet on Jitsi! Here's the location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA The big blue button stuff looks really awesome, but I haven't had a chance to dig into it, however for presenting it looks pretty awesome. I hope everybody is staying sane and staying safe. Later, Tim Keller WLUG President -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 9, 2020

Re: April WLUG meeting to be online

by Stephen Thamel

Hey Pete - I would be interested in the 580 and the R415s. I can come by tomorrow when convenient. Let me know if that works for you. On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 1:07 PM Pete Wason via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hi! When is the meeting? > > BTW, I have *piles* of (mostly Dell) hardware for sale (donation? either > is overly complicated..). Everything from an old > Dimension E530 desktop to a Poweredge R515 with 12TB of internal disk > (both already running CentOS 6.10). A whole roomfull of > Optiplex 740s and 580s, an R300, two R415s, etc. In a few weeks I'll also > have a couple of Synology RS2416+ units with > expansion chassis. I can forward a complete list if anyone is interested. > Most of the equipment is in Worcester, where I work. > > Stay safe! > Pete in Sutton > > > > On 3/31/2020 10:34 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > Hey Gang, > > > > I hope everybody is staying safe and healthy. While Linux doesn't need > virus protection, we do. Wash your hands you filthy animals. > > > > As the subject reads, we're going to be doing the WLUG meeting online. > > I've been active in the wlug-ma irc channel as have others. > > > > What do people think about Jitsi for doing a video meetup? > > > > Refreshments will not be provided and we won't be going out for dinner!! > > > > Stay home, stay safe and I hope we'll all get to see each other soon. > > > > Later, > > Tim. > > > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LNHAH… > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/53TKE… >

April 8, 2020

Re: April WLUG meeting to be online

by Pete Wason

Hi! When is the meeting? BTW, I have *piles* of (mostly Dell) hardware for sale (donation? either is overly complicated..). Everything from an old Dimension E530 desktop to a Poweredge R515 with 12TB of internal disk (both already running CentOS 6.10). A whole roomfull of Optiplex 740s and 580s, an R300, two R415s, etc. In a few weeks I'll also have a couple of Synology RS2416+ units with expansion chassis. I can forward a complete list if anyone is interested. Most of the equipment is in Worcester, where I work. Stay safe! Pete in Sutton On 3/31/2020 10:34 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Gang, > > I hope everybody is staying safe and healthy. While Linux doesn't need virus protection, we do. Wash your hands you filthy animals. > > As the subject reads, we're going to be doing the WLUG meeting online. > I've been active in the wlug-ma irc channel as have others. > > What do people think about Jitsi for doing a video meetup? > > Refreshments will not be provided and we won't be going out for dinner!! > > Stay home, stay safe and I hope we'll all get to see each other soon. > > Later, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LNHAH… >

April 8, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] Re: Free, viable videoconferencing ?

by joshua.gage.stone＠gmail.com

I've recently learned about BigBlueButton, which is designed around teaching with features like slideshow integration and session recordings (currently disabled due to increased demand though). I think this could work well for us seeing as we tend to do presentations hosted our own computers anyway. This demo looks quite promising: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hso8yLzkqj8 BBB and other communication solutions endorsed as being FOSS-friendly are listed here as well: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Remote_Communication -Josh On Thu, 2020-04-02 at 14:05 +0000, Krichevsky, Nicholas J. via WLUG wrote: > So this isn't free "as in beer" but I just saw > https://wire.com/en/ mentioned on HackerNews today. Source code is > GPL3, but it looks like they handle the hosting for 4 > euro/user/month. They mention in their FAQ that you can self-host, > but it sounds like you still have to pay to do that. Not sure if > they have a guide to just run it yourself but I'm sure you can... > you have the source... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most secure collaboration platform · Wire > > Wire is actively leading the work on extending its security standards > to become the norm for protecting organizations' digital assets. > Messaging Layer Security (MLS) is a new protocol designed to firm up > the security of enterprise messaging platforms by employing > end-to-end encryption within group communication. > > wire.com > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Chris Thompson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:34 PM > > To: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > Cc: Chris Thompson <wolcen(a)riseup.net> > > Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Re: [EXT] Re: Free, viable videoconferencing ? > > > > > I know it's been mentioned, but wanted to point to two instances of > it I use frequently and offer some additional feedback. > There's the "premier" one, which is at > > https://meet.jit.si/ and is very often running the very latest > version. > The Mayfirst COOP also hosts an instance at > > https://meet.mayfirst.org/ This doesn't tend to be upgraded quite so > frequently, so unless it lands on a poor version, it's a great one to > use. > > > Usually "just works" on phone/desktop fine. It can be a little > glitchy, and has not often performed very well for my coop more than > about 10 participants or so. Desktop sharing, video, audio, and chat > as well > as other features all function well on GNU/Linux save for some > difficulty I had with Sway WM/Wayland (which may well have been my > shortcoming). I'm not sure how dependent the limits we've seen are > dependent upon the infrastructure available, but I'm told it's > not terribly difficult to deploy an instance, but have yet to try > myself. > > > FWIW, nearly every time, a quick page refresh (or two) for whomever > is having issues gets things working. > TBH, it's best to have a backup connection when using Jitsi (i.e. > text msg, etherpad, or IRC or whatever), or else to work with more > experienced users - e.g. those that will notice a message/open the > chat pane > to read that they cannot be heard and to either un-mute or else > refresh their page. > --Chris > > > On 3/25/20 11:53 AM, Bradley Noyes via WLUG wrote: > > > > I have never used this software, but apparently nextcloud can do > > some kind of video conferencing with their package call “spreed" > > > > > > > > https://github.com/nextcloud/spreed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 25, 2020, at 10:55, Krichevsky, Nicholas J. via WLUG < > > > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How much do you care about it being *VIDEO* by the way? If it's > > > not important, there's always Mumble... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get > > > Outlook for Android > > > > > > From: Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:53:52 AM > > > > > > To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion < > > > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > > > > > Cc: Voorhis, Michael C <mvoorhis(a)wpi.edu>; Joshua Stone < > > > joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> > > > > > > Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Re: Free, viable videoconferencing ? > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/25/20 10:38 AM, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > > > > > > > Zoom is a good option if using a Pro subscription. > > > > > > > > > > > > We're digressing a bit from the discussion-topic which is *free* > > > > > > videoconferencing. My email was in retrospect ambiguous; I made > > > > > > assumptions based on the listenership of my email. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was asking about FOSS videoconferencing. Jitsi appears to be > > > the only > > > > > > answer at this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks all, > > > > > > > > > > > > --MCV. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > > wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > > Create Account: > > > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… > > > > > > Change Settings: > > > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… > > > > > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > > wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > > Create Account: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > > > > > Change Settings: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > > > > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/4ER6X… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________WLUG mailing list -- > > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UH6HX… > > > > > > > _______________________________________________WLUG mailing list -- > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/OSZK4…

April 4, 2020

Does LINUX still exist?

by Ken Jones

I am trying for figure out what, if anything, of FEDORA RED HAT LINUX is still available. I have downloaded a DVD that I plan to install on my DELL XPS desktop PC running WINDOWS 10. Will it find for me my old LINUX atmosphere? Ken Jones

April 3, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] Re: Free, viable videoconferencing ?

by Krichevsky, Nicholas J.

So this isn't free "as in beer" but I just saw https://wire.com/en/ mentioned on HackerNews today. Source code is GPL3, but it looks like they handle the hosting for 4 euro/user/month. They mention in their FAQ that you can self-host, but it sounds like you still have to pay to do that. Not sure if they have a guide to just run it yourself but I'm sure you can... you have the source... [https://wire-docs.wire.com/kalina/wire-icon.png]<https://wire.com/en/> The most secure collaboration platform · Wire<https://wire.com/en/> Wire is actively leading the work on extending its security standards to become the norm for protecting organizations' digital assets. Messaging Layer Security (MLS) is a new protocol designed to firm up the security of enterprise messaging platforms by employing end-to-end encryption within group communication. wire.com ________________________________ From: Chris Thompson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:34 PM To: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Chris Thompson <wolcen(a)riseup.net> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Re: [EXT] Re: Free, viable videoconferencing ? I know it's been mentioned, but wanted to point to two instances of it I use frequently and offer some additional feedback. There's the "premier" one, which is at https://meet.jit.si/<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeet.jit.…> and is very often running the very latest version. The Mayfirst COOP also hosts an instance at https://meet.mayfirst.org/<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeet.mayf…> This doesn't tend to be upgraded quite so frequently, so unless it lands on a poor version, it's a great one to use. Usually "just works" on phone/desktop fine. It can be a little glitchy, and has not often performed very well for my coop more than about 10 participants or so. Desktop sharing, video, audio, and chat as well as other features all function well on GNU/Linux save for some difficulty I had with Sway WM/Wayland (which may well have been my shortcoming). I'm not sure how dependent the limits we've seen are dependent upon the infrastructure available, but I'm told it's not terribly difficult to deploy an instance, but have yet to try myself. FWIW, nearly every time, a quick page refresh (or two) for whomever is having issues gets things working. TBH, it's best to have a backup connection when using Jitsi (i.e. text msg, etherpad, or IRC or whatever), or else to work with more experienced users - e.g. those that will notice a message/open the chat pane to read that they cannot be heard and to either un-mute or else refresh their page. --Chris On 3/25/20 11:53 AM, Bradley Noyes via WLUG wrote: I have never used this software, but apparently nextcloud can do some kind of video conferencing with their package call “spreed" https://github.com/nextcloud/spreed<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.co…> On Mar 25, 2020, at 10:55, Krichevsky, Nicholas J. via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: How much do you care about it being *VIDEO* by the way? If it's not important, there's always Mumble... Get Outlook for Android<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2F…> ________________________________ From: Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:53:52 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> Cc: Voorhis, Michael C <mvoorhis(a)wpi.edu<mailto:mvoorhis@wpi.edu>>; Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com<mailto:joshua.gage.stone@gmail.com>> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Re: Free, viable videoconferencing ? On 3/25/20 10:38 AM, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > Zoom is a good option if using a Pro subscription. We're digressing a bit from the discussion-topic which is *free* videoconferencing. My email was in retrospect ambiguous; I made assumptions based on the listenership of my email. I was asking about FOSS videoconferencing. Jitsi appears to be the only answer at this point. 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April 2, 2020

Re: [EXT] April WLUG meeting to be online

by THE HAMMER

Can you advise the group on instructions to join in when/if possible? ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 9:31 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu>; Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Re: [EXT] April WLUG meeting to be online What fun is that ;-) On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 9:29 AM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: Or we could just use the one they host: https://meet.jit.si/ On Wed, Apr 01, 2020 at 08:42:56AM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > A buddy of mine runs one. I'll pick his brains regarding what it needs for > bandwidth and horsepower. > > I suspect I've got sufficient quantities of that at my house. > > If not, I'll think about spinning up a droplet. > > Tim. > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2020, 6:45 AM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> > wrote: > > > Let's try Jitsi. > > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:34:37AM -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > > Hey Gang, > > > > > > I hope everybody is staying safe and healthy. While Linux doesn't need > > > virus protection, we do. Wash your hands you filthy animals. > > > > > > As the subject reads, we're going to be doing the WLUG meeting online. > > > I've been active in the wlug-ma irc channel as have others. > > > > > > What do people think about Jitsi for doing a video meetup? > > > > > > Refreshments will not be provided and we won't be going out for dinner!! > > > > > > Stay home, stay safe and I hope we'll all get to see each other soon. > > > > > > Later, > > > Tim. _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/R2F74… -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 1, 2020

Re: [EXT] April WLUG meeting to be online

by Tim Keller

What fun is that ;-) On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 9:29 AM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Or we could just use the one they host: > > https://meet.jit.si/ > > On Wed, Apr 01, 2020 at 08:42:56AM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > > A buddy of mine runs one. I'll pick his brains regarding what it needs > for > > bandwidth and horsepower. > > > > I suspect I've got sufficient quantities of that at my house. > > > > If not, I'll think about spinning up a droplet. > > > > Tim. > > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2020, 6:45 AM Chuck Anderson via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > wrote: > > > > > Let's try Jitsi. > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:34:37AM -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > > > Hey Gang, > > > > > > > > I hope everybody is staying safe and healthy. While Linux doesn't > need > > > > virus protection, we do. Wash your hands you filthy animals. > > > > > > > > As the subject reads, we're going to be doing the WLUG meeting > online. > > > > I've been active in the wlug-ma irc channel as have others. > > > > > > > > What do people think about Jitsi for doing a video meetup? > > > > > > > > Refreshments will not be provided and we won't be going out for > dinner!! > > > > > > > > Stay home, stay safe and I hope we'll all get to see each other soon. > > > > > > > > Later, > > > > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/R2F74… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 1, 2020

Re: [EXT] April WLUG meeting to be online

by Chuck Anderson

Or we could just use the one they host: https://meet.jit.si/ On Wed, Apr 01, 2020 at 08:42:56AM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > A buddy of mine runs one. I'll pick his brains regarding what it needs for > bandwidth and horsepower. > > I suspect I've got sufficient quantities of that at my house. > > If not, I'll think about spinning up a droplet. > > Tim. > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2020, 6:45 AM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > Let's try Jitsi. > > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:34:37AM -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > > Hey Gang, > > > > > > I hope everybody is staying safe and healthy. While Linux doesn't need > > > virus protection, we do. Wash your hands you filthy animals. > > > > > > As the subject reads, we're going to be doing the WLUG meeting online. > > > I've been active in the wlug-ma irc channel as have others. > > > > > > What do people think about Jitsi for doing a video meetup? > > > > > > Refreshments will not be provided and we won't be going out for dinner!! > > > > > > Stay home, stay safe and I hope we'll all get to see each other soon. > > > > > > Later, > > > Tim.

April 1, 2020

Re: [EXT] April WLUG meeting to be online

by Tim Keller

A buddy of mine runs one. I'll pick his brains regarding what it needs for bandwidth and horsepower. I suspect I've got sufficient quantities of that at my house. If not, I'll think about spinning up a droplet. Tim. On Wed, Apr 1, 2020, 6:45 AM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Let's try Jitsi. > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:34:37AM -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > Hey Gang, > > > > I hope everybody is staying safe and healthy. While Linux doesn't need > > virus protection, we do. Wash your hands you filthy animals. > > > > As the subject reads, we're going to be doing the WLUG meeting online. > > I've been active in the wlug-ma irc channel as have others. > > > > What do people think about Jitsi for doing a video meetup? > > > > Refreshments will not be provided and we won't be going out for dinner!! > > > > Stay home, stay safe and I hope we'll all get to see each other soon. > > > > Later, > > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YHIZC… >

April 1, 2020

Re: [EXT] April WLUG meeting to be online

by Chuck Anderson

Let's try Jitsi. On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:34:37AM -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Gang, > > I hope everybody is staying safe and healthy. While Linux doesn't need > virus protection, we do. Wash your hands you filthy animals. > > As the subject reads, we're going to be doing the WLUG meeting online. > I've been active in the wlug-ma irc channel as have others. > > What do people think about Jitsi for doing a video meetup? > > Refreshments will not be provided and we won't be going out for dinner!! > > Stay home, stay safe and I hope we'll all get to see each other soon. > > Later, > Tim.

April 1, 2020

Re: April WLUG meeting to be online

by hammerron

I have heard good things about Jitsi, but never tried it. On 3/31/20 10:34 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Gang, > > I hope everybody is staying safe and healthy. While Linux doesn't need > virus protection, we do. Wash your hands you filthy animals. > > As the subject reads, we're going to be doing the WLUG meeting online. > I've been active in the wlug-ma irc channel as have others. > > What do people think about Jitsi for doing a video meetup? > > Refreshments will not be provided and we won't be going out for dinner!! > > Stay home, stay safe and I hope we'll all get to see each other soon. > > Later, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LNHAH…

March 31, 2020

Re: April WLUG meeting to be online

by Richard Klein

Is the second Thursday of the month what we were doing? On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:35 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > I hope everybody is staying safe and healthy. While Linux doesn't need > virus protection, we do. Wash your hands you filthy animals. > > As the subject reads, we're going to be doing the WLUG meeting online. > I've been active in the wlug-ma irc channel as have others. > > What do people think about Jitsi for doing a video meetup? > > Refreshments will not be provided and we won't be going out for dinner!! > > Stay home, stay safe and I hope we'll all get to see each other soon. > > Later, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LNHAH… >

March 31, 2020

Re: April WLUG meeting to be online

by Richard Klein

I never got my webcam working, but I'll give Jitsi a try. On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:35 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > I hope everybody is staying safe and healthy. While Linux doesn't need > virus protection, we do. Wash your hands you filthy animals. > > As the subject reads, we're going to be doing the WLUG meeting online. > I've been active in the wlug-ma irc channel as have others. > > What do people think about Jitsi for doing a video meetup? > > Refreshments will not be provided and we won't be going out for dinner!! > > Stay home, stay safe and I hope we'll all get to see each other soon. > > Later, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LNHAH… >

March 31, 2020

April WLUG meeting to be online

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, I hope everybody is staying safe and healthy. While Linux doesn't need virus protection, we do. Wash your hands you filthy animals. As the subject reads, we're going to be doing the WLUG meeting online. I've been active in the wlug-ma irc channel as have others. What do people think about Jitsi for doing a video meetup? Refreshments will not be provided and we won't be going out for dinner!! Stay home, stay safe and I hope we'll all get to see each other soon. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 31, 2020

Re: TLAs are evil

by Tim Keller

I'm convinced they've writing a piece of perl that simply goes through their documentation and when it finds a three letter word simply uppercase's it. On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:07 PM Michael Voorhis via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > On 3/26/20 3:44 PM, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > > Too damn many TLAs! > > You want TLAs? Look at some Oracle database documentation... > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CY5QC… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 27, 2020

TLAs are evil

by Michael Voorhis

On 3/26/20 3:44 PM, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > Too damn many TLAs! You want TLAs? Look at some Oracle database documentation...

March 26, 2020

Re: IT Revolution: Spring Reads Free eBook Promotion!

by Richard Klein

SCM = Smith-Corona Marchant On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 3:59 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > Where I've used it is in teaching people > > who've never done any type of SCM > > Too damn many TLAs! [1] > > To me, SCM means Scheme. > For example: poly.scm is a program I wrote: > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/poly.html > while SCM is a implementation by Aubrey Jaffar. > > I guessed that's not what Tim meant, > so I went searching: > > Google says it stands for Supply Chain Managment, > closer but probably not right. > > Wikipedia has about 20 other meanings including: > Student Chrisian Movement -- Nope > SubCarrier Multiplexing -- Probable not > (Software Configuration | > Source Control) Management -- Yes, one of those > > Which one? If they are different. No matter. > How could I know? Why should I care? > > -- Keith > > [1] TLA - Three Letter Acronym > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PATDI… >

March 26, 2020

Re: IT Revolution: Spring Reads Free eBook Promotion!

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Where I've used it is in teaching people > who've never done any type of SCM Too damn many TLAs! [1] To me, SCM means Scheme. For example: poly.scm is a program I wrote: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/poly.html while SCM is a implementation by Aubrey Jaffar. I guessed that's not what Tim meant, so I went searching: Google says it stands for Supply Chain Managment, closer but probably not right. Wikipedia has about 20 other meanings including: Student Chrisian Movement -- Nope SubCarrier Multiplexing -- Probable not (Software Configuration | Source Control) Management -- Yes, one of those Which one? If they are different. No matter. How could I know? Why should I care? -- Keith [1] TLA - Three Letter Acronym

March 26, 2020

Re: IT Revolution: Spring Reads Free eBook Promotion!

by Tim Keller

Where I've used it is in teaching people who've never done any type of SCM as a group how to structure a project and how the branch / merge model should work and how to resolve merge conflicts, etc. I can't say I've read it cover to cover, but I've read chapters and used it as a reference a whole lot. There's another excellent book that costs nothing on amazon called "Ry's Git" which is a really thin to the point book about git. However, he's got a great chapter on the inner workings of git which I found both fascinating and educational. I still feel bad for the monotone guy... On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 2:23 PM Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I never read the book though I’ve read his blog posts and found an immense > amount of utility from. I’ll have to pick that up. > > On Mar 26, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Since we're talking about free books, I've gotten endless amounts of use > out of the "git flow" book which you can find free everywhere. I bought > mine here: https://leanpub.com/git-flow > You can kick the guy as little or as much as you want. > > Tim. > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 5:15 PM Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> But Steam is giving away Tomb Raider (2013). Read work related book or >> play good video game? >> >> On Wed, 2020-03-25 at 13:11 -0400, Michael Voorhis via WLUG wrote: >> > WPI, er, Microsoft filed this in my junk-mail, FYI. If there are >> > others >> > here who might be interested in a DevOps book free-for-24-hours and >> > you >> > didn't see Eric's email, check your junk-folder. >> > >> > --MCV. >> > >> > On 3/24/20 1:49 PM, Eric Martin via WLUG wrote: >> > > I figured we all like good books for free. The days are off by one >> > > (DevOps Handbook is today) and on all of the platforms. >> > > >> > > Eric >> > _______________________________________________ >> > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> > Change Settings: >> > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> > Web Forum/Archive: >> > >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/M42SZ… >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HLFVH… >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 26, 2020

Re: IT Revolution: Spring Reads Free eBook Promotion!

by Eric Martin

I never read the book though I’ve read his blog posts and found an immense amount of utility from. I’ll have to pick that up. > On Mar 26, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Since we're talking about free books, I've gotten endless amounts of use out of the "git flow" book which you can find free everywhere. I bought mine here: https://leanpub.com/git-flow <https://leanpub.com/git-flow> > You can kick the guy as little or as much as you want. > > Tim. > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 5:15 PM Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: > But Steam is giving away Tomb Raider (2013). Read work related book or > play good video game? > > On Wed, 2020-03-25 at 13:11 -0400, Michael Voorhis via WLUG wrote: > > WPI, er, Microsoft filed this in my junk-mail, FYI. If there are > > others > > here who might be interested in a DevOps book free-for-24-hours and > > you > > didn't see Eric's email, check your junk-folder. > > > > --MCV. > > > > On 3/24/20 1:49 PM, Eric Martin via WLUG wrote: > > > I figured we all like good books for free. The days are off by one > > > (DevOps Handbook is today) and on all of the platforms. > > > > > > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ <https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/> > > Change Settings: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ <https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/> > > Web Forum/Archive: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/M42SZ… <https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/M42SZ…> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ <https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/> > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ <https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/> > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HLFVH… <https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HLFVH…> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 26, 2020

Re: Fwd: IT Revolution: Spring Reads Free eBook Promotion!

by Tim Keller

Since we're talking about free books, I've gotten endless amounts of use out of the "git flow" book which you can find free everywhere. I bought mine here: https://leanpub.com/git-flow You can kick the guy as little or as much as you want. Tim. On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 5:15 PM Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > But Steam is giving away Tomb Raider (2013). Read work related book or > play good video game? > > On Wed, 2020-03-25 at 13:11 -0400, Michael Voorhis via WLUG wrote: > > WPI, er, Microsoft filed this in my junk-mail, FYI. If there are > > others > > here who might be interested in a DevOps book free-for-24-hours and > > you > > didn't see Eric's email, check your junk-folder. > > > > --MCV. > > > > On 3/24/20 1:49 PM, Eric Martin via WLUG wrote: > > > I figured we all like good books for free. The days are off by one > > > (DevOps Handbook is today) and on all of the platforms. > > > > > > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/M42SZ… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HLFVH… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 26, 2020

Re: Fwd: IT Revolution: Spring Reads Free eBook Promotion!

by Dennis Payne

But Steam is giving away Tomb Raider (2013). Read work related book or play good video game? On Wed, 2020-03-25 at 13:11 -0400, Michael Voorhis via WLUG wrote: > WPI, er, Microsoft filed this in my junk-mail, FYI. If there are > others > here who might be interested in a DevOps book free-for-24-hours and > you > didn't see Eric's email, check your junk-folder. > > --MCV. > > On 3/24/20 1:49 PM, Eric Martin via WLUG wrote: > > I figured we all like good books for free. The days are off by one > > (DevOps Handbook is today) and on all of the platforms. > > > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/M42SZ…

March 25, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Free, viable videoconferencing ?

by Chris Thompson

I know it's been mentioned, but wanted to point to two instances of it I use frequently and offer some additional feedback. There's the "premier" one, which is at https://meet.jit.si/ and is very often running the very latest version. The Mayfirst COOP also hosts an instance at https://meet.mayfirst.org/ This doesn't tend to be upgraded quite so frequently, so unless it lands on a poor version, it's a great one to use. Usually "just works" on phone/desktop fine. It can be a little glitchy, and has not often performed very well for my coop more than about 10 participants or so. Desktop sharing, video, audio, and chat as well as other features all function well on GNU/Linux save for some difficulty I had with Sway WM/Wayland (which may well have been my shortcoming). I'm not sure how dependent the limits we've seen are dependent upon the infrastructure available, but I'm told it's not terribly difficult to deploy an instance, but have yet to try myself. FWIW, nearly every time, a quick page refresh (or two) for whomever is having issues gets things working. TBH, it's best to have a backup connection when using Jitsi (i.e. text msg, etherpad, or IRC or whatever), or else to work with more experienced users - e.g. those that will notice a message/open the chat pane to read that they cannot be heard and to either un-mute or else refresh their page. --Chris On 3/25/20 11:53 AM, Bradley Noyes via WLUG wrote: > I have never used this software, but apparently nextcloud can do some > kind of video conferencing with their package call “spreed" > > https://github.com/nextcloud/spreed > > > > >> On Mar 25, 2020, at 10:55, Krichevsky, Nicholas J. via WLUG >> <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: >> >> How much do you care about it being *VIDEO* by the way? If it's not >> important, there's always Mumble... >> >> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:53:52 AM >> *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion >> <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> >> *Cc:* Voorhis, Michael C <mvoorhis(a)wpi.edu >> <mailto:mvoorhis@wpi.edu>>; Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:joshua.gage.stone@gmail.com>> >> *Subject:* [EXT] [WLUG] Re: Free, viable videoconferencing ? >> >> On 3/25/20 10:38 AM, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: >> > Zoom is a good option if using a Pro subscription. >> >> We're digressing a bit from the discussion-topic which is *free* >> videoconferencing. My email was in retrospect ambiguous; I made >> assumptions based on the listenership of my email. >> >> I was asking about FOSS videoconferencing. Jitsi appears to be the only >> answer at this point. >> >> Thanks all, >> >> --MCV. >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> <mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> >> Create Account: >> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… >> Change Settings: >> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> <mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/4ER6X… > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UH6HX…

March 25, 2020

Re: Fwd: IT Revolution: Spring Reads Free eBook Promotion!

by Michael Voorhis

WPI, er, Microsoft filed this in my junk-mail, FYI. If there are others here who might be interested in a DevOps book free-for-24-hours and you didn't see Eric's email, check your junk-folder. --MCV. On 3/24/20 1:49 PM, Eric Martin via WLUG wrote: > I figured we all like good books for free. The days are off by one > (DevOps Handbook is today) and on all of the platforms. > > Eric

March 25, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Free, viable videoconferencing ?

by Bradley Noyes

I have never used this software, but apparently nextcloud can do some kind of video conferencing with their package call “spreed" https://github.com/nextcloud/spreed <https://github.com/nextcloud/spreed> > On Mar 25, 2020, at 10:55, Krichevsky, Nicholas J. via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > How much do you care about it being *VIDEO* by the way? If it's not important, there's always Mumble... > > Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36> > From: Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:53:52 AM > To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Cc: Voorhis, Michael C <mvoorhis(a)wpi.edu>; Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Re: Free, viable videoconferencing ? > > On 3/25/20 10:38 AM, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > > Zoom is a good option if using a Pro subscription. > > We're digressing a bit from the discussion-topic which is *free* > videoconferencing. My email was in retrospect ambiguous; I made > assumptions based on the listenership of my email. > > I was asking about FOSS videoconferencing. Jitsi appears to be the only > answer at this point. > > Thanks all, > > --MCV. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> > Change Settings: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> > Web Forum/Archive: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/4ER6X…

March 25, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Free, viable videoconferencing ?

by Krichevsky, Nicholas J.

How much do you care about it being *VIDEO* by the way? If it's not important, there's always Mumble... Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:53:52 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Voorhis, Michael C <mvoorhis(a)wpi.edu>; Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Re: Free, viable videoconferencing ? On 3/25/20 10:38 AM, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > Zoom is a good option if using a Pro subscription. We're digressing a bit from the discussion-topic which is *free* videoconferencing. My email was in retrospect ambiguous; I made assumptions based on the listenership of my email. I was asking about FOSS videoconferencing. Jitsi appears to be the only answer at this point. Thanks all, --MCV. _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… Change Settings: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… Web Forum/Archive: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…

March 25, 2020

Re: Free, viable videoconferencing ?

by Michael Voorhis

On 3/25/20 10:38 AM, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > Zoom is a good option if using a Pro subscription. We're digressing a bit from the discussion-topic which is *free* videoconferencing. My email was in retrospect ambiguous; I made assumptions based on the listenership of my email. I was asking about FOSS videoconferencing. Jitsi appears to be the only answer at this point. Thanks all, --MCV.

March 25, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] Free, viable videoconferencing ?

by Joshua Stone

Zoom is a good option if using a Pro subscription. Lots of businesses seem to depend on it for remote meetings thanks to the pandemic. It has some nice features like video recording which could be used for sharing on Youtube, and it doesn't require new users to create an account for meetups. I think Discord is also a good option with all of the features it provides as a chat platform. I've been using it for remote D&D sessions. One major downside of the Linux client is that you'll likely have to use a workaround for a bug that causes video calls to eventually crash the client: https://github.com/flathub/com.discordapp.Discord/issues/30 I've been using a Gnome Shell extension to fix this: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/615/appindicator-support/ - Josh On Wed, 2020-03-25 at 13:46 +0000, Krichevsky, Nicholas J. via WLUG wrote: > Zoom, aside from not being FOSS, limits calls to 40 minutes without > paying. If we only care about free as in beer Discord is a great > option, but if we care about free in the other sense, then I'm not > sure I know if anything. > > > > > > > Get Outlook for Android > > > From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:44:41 AM > > To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > Cc: Anderson, Charles R <cra(a)wpi.edu>; Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > > Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Re: [EXT] Free, viable videoconferencing ? > > > > > My kids have been using the Zoom plugin on Chrome on the chromebook > so it'll work on linux. > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:14 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 07:48:12PM -0400, Michael Voorhis via WLUG > > wrote: > > > > > Does viable free videoconferencing software exist? > > > > > > > > Jitsi has been mentioned here before. I haven't looked into it: > > > > > > > > https://stackshare.io/stackups/jitsi-vs-zoom > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > Create Account: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > > > Change Settings: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > > > Web Forum/Archive: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KS3FX… > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________WLUG mailing list -- > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/EIYAM…

March 25, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] Free, viable videoconferencing ?

by Krichevsky, Nicholas J.

Zoom, aside from not being FOSS, limits calls to 40 minutes without paying. If we only care about free as in beer Discord is a great option, but if we care about free in the other sense, then I'm not sure I know if anything. Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:44:41 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Anderson, Charles R <cra(a)wpi.edu>; Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Re: [EXT] Free, viable videoconferencing ? My kids have been using the Zoom plugin on Chrome on the chromebook so it'll work on linux. On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:14 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 07:48:12PM -0400, Michael Voorhis via WLUG wrote: > Does viable free videoconferencing software exist? Jitsi has been mentioned here before. I haven't looked into it: https://stackshare.io/stackups/jitsi-vs-zoom<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstackshar…> _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KS3FX…<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…> -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 25, 2020

Re: [EXT] Free, viable videoconferencing ?

by Tim Keller

My kids have been using the Zoom plugin on Chrome on the chromebook so it'll work on linux. On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:14 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 07:48:12PM -0400, Michael Voorhis via WLUG wrote: > > Does viable free videoconferencing software exist? > > Jitsi has been mentioned here before. I haven't looked into it: > > https://stackshare.io/stackups/jitsi-vs-zoom > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KS3FX… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 25, 2020

Re: [EXT] Free, viable videoconferencing ?

by Chuck Anderson

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 07:48:12PM -0400, Michael Voorhis via WLUG wrote: > Does viable free videoconferencing software exist? Jitsi has been mentioned here before. I haven't looked into it: https://stackshare.io/stackups/jitsi-vs-zoom

March 25, 2020

Free, viable videoconferencing ?

by Michael Voorhis

Does viable free videoconferencing software exist? --MCV.

March 24, 2020

Fwd: IT Revolution: Spring Reads Free eBook Promotion!

by Eric Martin

I figured we all like good books for free. The days are off by one (DevOps Handbook is today) and on all of the platforms. Eric Begin forwarded message: > From: IT Revolution <info(a)itrevolution.com> > Date: March 24, 2020 at 1:22:07 PM EDT > To: Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > Subject: IT Revolution: Spring Reads Free eBook Promotion! > Reply-To: editorial(a)itrevolution.com > > > Hey everyone! > > Starting today, we're offering three of our eBooks free for 24 hours each. > > March 23: The DevOps Handbook > March 24: DevOps for the Modern Enterprise > March 25: The Art of Business Value > Follow @ITRevBooks here on Twitter to get all the details! > > While you're at it, help spread the word by retweeting, sharing on your social media platform of choice, or even forwarding along this email to friends and colleagues. :) > > > > Cheers, > IT Revolution > > > If you wish to stop receiving our emails or change your subscription options, please Manage Your Subscription > IT Revolution, 25 NW 23rd Place, Suite 6314, Portland, OR 97210, US

March 24, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow...

by Tim Keller

Richard, I'm also using hexchat on debian and it works great. I think it's what "xchat" turned into. Later, Tim. On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 12:33 PM Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I've got HexChat up and running on Debian. I'll look for it next time I > boot into Windows. > > On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 12:29 PM hammerron via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Rich, >> >> Just fyi, I use hexchat >> >> It seems pretty easy to operate >> >> Ron >> On 3/22/20 9:05 AM, Richard Klein via WLUG wrote: >> >> I vaguely remember mirc. Neither mirc nor pirch were available through >> the Microsoft Store. I installed something, but never got around to trying >> it, and now I'm wfh on my own computer. I'll still be booting into Windows >> for work, so, whatever it was, I'll probably install it again. Now I'm >> trying to decide on an IRC client for Debian/Gnome... >> >> -- >> Rich >> >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 5:04 PM Chris Thompson via WLUG < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >>> (PS - moderator, please ignore my last post from the incorrect >>> address...doh! sorry.) >>> >>> LOL Chuck. That's not very nice, but...funny! :P >>> >>> Sorry to hear you are stuck with Windows 'cause of "the man". Haven't >>> used it for a rather long time now, so I dunno if these still even >>> exist, but mIRC I think was the last I used (before that Pirch rings a >>> bell). >>> >>> There are great Web-based interfaces if you are maintaining a server >>> somewhere - my favorite there is the node implementation called "The >>> Lounge". https://thelounge.chat/docs Nice thing is it'll stay connected >>> for >>> you so you won't miss messages. >>> >>> --Chris >>> >>> On 3/18/20 2:30 PM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: >>> > format c: >>> > >>> > (make sure to run from a CMD window with Administrator privileges) >>> > >>> > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 02:22:25PM -0400, Richard Klein via WLUG wrote: >>> >> Do you guys have a favorite IRC client for Windows? >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 1:28 PM Chris Thompson via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> I would certainly recommend organizing in IRC, but for more >>> interaction, >>> >>> Jitsi is worth a shot. >>> >>> >>> >>> Zoom does work very well on Gnu/Linux, but yes - proprietary, so, >>> >>> personally not interested in using them more than I already am >>> coerced to >>> >>> :P >>> >>> >>> >>> Jitsi usually handles rooms with up to about a dozen people pretty >>> well, >>> >>> but often struggles beyond that. Most issues are resolved with a >>> simple >>> >>> reload of the page. >>> >>> >>> >>> Try it out @ either of these instances, no registration require: >>> >>> >>> >>> https://meet.jit.si/ (typically pretty bleeding-edge, so sometimes >>> less >>> >>> stable) >>> >>> >>> >>> or: >>> >>> >>> >>> https://meet.mayfirst.org/ (pretty up to date, but generally more >>> stable >>> >>> of late) >>> >>> >>> >>> Tim, you may be able to recover your ident info with the following, >>> once >>> >>> you've connected with #Freenode. If the name is registered with >>> >>> NickServ, it'll email you at the registered address: >>> >>> >>> >>> /msg NickServ SENDPASS turbox >>> >>> >>> >>> --Chris >>> >>> IRC: wolcen >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/18/20 11:28 AM, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: >>> >>>>> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow... >>> >>>>> From: madserge--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Never used IRC before but I do have an app on Manjaro called >>> >>>>> Konversation that I think is a IRC client, would like to join if >>> anyone >>> >>>>> can tell me any info about the chat room that would be great! >>> >>>> How did this work? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I used IRC once before. A friend said "let's try this", >>> >>>> and told me what program to run and how to start. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> The conversation went something like: >>> >>>> Hi, are you there? Yes. It works! Yes. Well goodbye. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> That was many years ago, and I have forgotten the name >>> >>>> of the program. Then I got busy and forgot the WLUG >>> >>>> meeting entirely. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Diane has been using something called Zoom on Windows. >>> >>>> Google turns up some hints that Zoom can work on Linux, >>> >>>> but it seems to be a binary mystery code that connects >>> >>>> to the mother ship and does secret stuff...anybody know? >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> > Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> > Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YCS6I… >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/4HCI5… >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NZRMC… >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7UPSJ… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3KX53… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 23, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow...

by Richard Klein

I've got HexChat up and running on Debian. I'll look for it next time I boot into Windows. On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 12:29 PM hammerron via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Rich, > > Just fyi, I use hexchat > > It seems pretty easy to operate > > Ron > On 3/22/20 9:05 AM, Richard Klein via WLUG wrote: > > I vaguely remember mirc. Neither mirc nor pirch were available through > the Microsoft Store. I installed something, but never got around to trying > it, and now I'm wfh on my own computer. I'll still be booting into Windows > for work, so, whatever it was, I'll probably install it again. Now I'm > trying to decide on an IRC client for Debian/Gnome... > > -- > Rich > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 5:04 PM Chris Thompson via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> (PS - moderator, please ignore my last post from the incorrect >> address...doh! sorry.) >> >> LOL Chuck. That's not very nice, but...funny! :P >> >> Sorry to hear you are stuck with Windows 'cause of "the man". Haven't >> used it for a rather long time now, so I dunno if these still even >> exist, but mIRC I think was the last I used (before that Pirch rings a >> bell). >> >> There are great Web-based interfaces if you are maintaining a server >> somewhere - my favorite there is the node implementation called "The >> Lounge". https://thelounge.chat/docs Nice thing is it'll stay connected >> for >> you so you won't miss messages. >> >> --Chris >> >> On 3/18/20 2:30 PM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: >> > format c: >> > >> > (make sure to run from a CMD window with Administrator privileges) >> > >> > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 02:22:25PM -0400, Richard Klein via WLUG wrote: >> >> Do you guys have a favorite IRC client for Windows? >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 1:28 PM Chris Thompson via WLUG < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> I would certainly recommend organizing in IRC, but for more >> interaction, >> >>> Jitsi is worth a shot. >> >>> >> >>> Zoom does work very well on Gnu/Linux, but yes - proprietary, so, >> >>> personally not interested in using them more than I already am >> coerced to >> >>> :P >> >>> >> >>> Jitsi usually handles rooms with up to about a dozen people pretty >> well, >> >>> but often struggles beyond that. Most issues are resolved with a >> simple >> >>> reload of the page. >> >>> >> >>> Try it out @ either of these instances, no registration require: >> >>> >> >>> https://meet.jit.si/ (typically pretty bleeding-edge, so sometimes >> less >> >>> stable) >> >>> >> >>> or: >> >>> >> >>> https://meet.mayfirst.org/ (pretty up to date, but generally more >> stable >> >>> of late) >> >>> >> >>> Tim, you may be able to recover your ident info with the following, >> once >> >>> you've connected with #Freenode. If the name is registered with >> >>> NickServ, it'll email you at the registered address: >> >>> >> >>> /msg NickServ SENDPASS turbox >> >>> >> >>> --Chris >> >>> IRC: wolcen >> >>> >> >>> On 3/18/20 11:28 AM, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: >> >>>>> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow... >> >>>>> From: madserge--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Never used IRC before but I do have an app on Manjaro called >> >>>>> Konversation that I think is a IRC client, would like to join if >> anyone >> >>>>> can tell me any info about the chat room that would be great! >> >>>> How did this work? >> >>>> >> >>>> I used IRC once before. A friend said "let's try this", >> >>>> and told me what program to run and how to start. >> >>>> >> >>>> The conversation went something like: >> >>>> Hi, are you there? Yes. It works! Yes. Well goodbye. >> >>>> >> >>>> That was many years ago, and I have forgotten the name >> >>>> of the program. Then I got busy and forgot the WLUG >> >>>> meeting entirely. >> >>>> >> >>>> Diane has been using something called Zoom on Windows. >> >>>> Google turns up some hints that Zoom can work on Linux, >> >>>> but it seems to be a binary mystery code that connects >> >>>> to the mother ship and does secret stuff...anybody know? >> > _______________________________________________ >> > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> > Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> > Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YCS6I… >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/4HCI5… >> > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NZRMC… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7UPSJ… >

March 22, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow...

by hammerron

Rich, Just fyi, I use hexchat It seems pretty easy to operate Ron On 3/22/20 9:05 AM, Richard Klein via WLUG wrote: > I vaguely remember mirc. Neither mirc nor pirch were available > through the Microsoft Store. I installed something, but never got > around to trying it, and now I'm wfh on my own computer. I'll still > be booting into Windows for work, so, whatever it was, I'll probably > install it again. Now I'm trying to decide on an IRC client for > Debian/Gnome... > > -- > Rich > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 5:04 PM Chris Thompson via WLUG > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: > > (PS - moderator, please ignore my last post from the incorrect > address...doh! sorry.) > > LOL Chuck. That's not very nice, but...funny! :P > > Sorry to hear you are stuck with Windows 'cause of "the man". Haven't > used it for a rather long time now, so I dunno if these still even > exist, but mIRC I think was the last I used (before that Pirch rings a > bell). > > There are great Web-based interfaces if you are maintaining a server > somewhere - my favorite there is the node implementation called "The > Lounge". https://thelounge.chat/docs Nice thing is it'll stay > connected for > you so you won't miss messages. > > --Chris > > On 3/18/20 2:30 PM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: > > format c: > > > > (make sure to run from a CMD window with Administrator privileges) > > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 02:22:25PM -0400, Richard Klein via WLUG > wrote: > >> Do you guys have a favorite IRC client for Windows? > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 1:28 PM Chris Thompson via WLUG > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I would certainly recommend organizing in IRC, but for more > interaction, > >>> Jitsi is worth a shot. > >>> > >>> Zoom does work very well on Gnu/Linux, but yes - proprietary, so, > >>> personally not interested in using them more than I already am > coerced to > >>> :P > >>> > >>> Jitsi usually handles rooms with up to about a dozen people > pretty well, > >>> but often struggles beyond that. Most issues are resolved with > a simple > >>> reload of the page. > >>> > >>> Try it out @ either of these instances, no registration require: > >>> > >>> https://meet.jit.si/ (typically pretty bleeding-edge, so > sometimes less > >>> stable) > >>> > >>> or: > >>> > >>> https://meet.mayfirst.org/ (pretty up to date, but generally > more stable > >>> of late) > >>> > >>> Tim, you may be able to recover your ident info with the > following, once > >>> you've connected with #Freenode. If the name is registered with > >>> NickServ, it'll email you at the registered address: > >>> > >>> /msg NickServ SENDPASS turbox > >>> > >>> --Chris > >>> IRC: wolcen > >>> > >>> On 3/18/20 11:28 AM, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > >>>>> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled > tomorrow... > >>>>> From: madserge--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Never used IRC before but I do have an app on Manjaro called > >>>>> Konversation that I think is a IRC client, would like to > join if anyone > >>>>> can tell me any info about the chat room that would be great! > >>>> How did this work? > >>>> > >>>> I used IRC once before. A friend said "let's try this", > >>>> and told me what program to run and how to start. > >>>> > >>>> The conversation went something like: > >>>> Hi, are you there? Yes. It works! Yes. Well goodbye. > >>>> > >>>> That was many years ago, and I have forgotten the name > >>>> of the program. Then I got busy and forgot the WLUG > >>>> meeting entirely. > >>>> > >>>> Diane has been using something called Zoom on Windows. > >>>> Google turns up some hints that Zoom can work on Linux, > >>>> but it seems to be a binary mystery code that connects > >>>> to the mother ship and does secret stuff...anybody know? > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > <mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YCS6I… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > <mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/4HCI5… > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NZRMC…

March 22, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow...

by Richard Klein

I vaguely remember mirc. Neither mirc nor pirch were available through the Microsoft Store. I installed something, but never got around to trying it, and now I'm wfh on my own computer. I'll still be booting into Windows for work, so, whatever it was, I'll probably install it again. Now I'm trying to decide on an IRC client for Debian/Gnome... -- Rich On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 5:04 PM Chris Thompson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > (PS - moderator, please ignore my last post from the incorrect > address...doh! sorry.) > > LOL Chuck. That's not very nice, but...funny! :P > > Sorry to hear you are stuck with Windows 'cause of "the man". Haven't > used it for a rather long time now, so I dunno if these still even > exist, but mIRC I think was the last I used (before that Pirch rings a > bell). > > There are great Web-based interfaces if you are maintaining a server > somewhere - my favorite there is the node implementation called "The > Lounge". https://thelounge.chat/docs Nice thing is it'll stay connected > for > you so you won't miss messages. > > --Chris > > On 3/18/20 2:30 PM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: > > format c: > > > > (make sure to run from a CMD window with Administrator privileges) > > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 02:22:25PM -0400, Richard Klein via WLUG wrote: > >> Do you guys have a favorite IRC client for Windows? > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 1:28 PM Chris Thompson via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I would certainly recommend organizing in IRC, but for more > interaction, > >>> Jitsi is worth a shot. > >>> > >>> Zoom does work very well on Gnu/Linux, but yes - proprietary, so, > >>> personally not interested in using them more than I already am coerced > to > >>> :P > >>> > >>> Jitsi usually handles rooms with up to about a dozen people pretty > well, > >>> but often struggles beyond that. Most issues are resolved with a simple > >>> reload of the page. > >>> > >>> Try it out @ either of these instances, no registration require: > >>> > >>> https://meet.jit.si/ (typically pretty bleeding-edge, so sometimes > less > >>> stable) > >>> > >>> or: > >>> > >>> https://meet.mayfirst.org/ (pretty up to date, but generally more > stable > >>> of late) > >>> > >>> Tim, you may be able to recover your ident info with the following, > once > >>> you've connected with #Freenode. If the name is registered with > >>> NickServ, it'll email you at the registered address: > >>> > >>> /msg NickServ SENDPASS turbox > >>> > >>> --Chris > >>> IRC: wolcen > >>> > >>> On 3/18/20 11:28 AM, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > >>>>> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow... > >>>>> From: madserge--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > >>>>> > >>>>> Never used IRC before but I do have an app on Manjaro called > >>>>> Konversation that I think is a IRC client, would like to join if > anyone > >>>>> can tell me any info about the chat room that would be great! > >>>> How did this work? > >>>> > >>>> I used IRC once before. A friend said "let's try this", > >>>> and told me what program to run and how to start. > >>>> > >>>> The conversation went something like: > >>>> Hi, are you there? Yes. It works! Yes. Well goodbye. > >>>> > >>>> That was many years ago, and I have forgotten the name > >>>> of the program. Then I got busy and forgot the WLUG > >>>> meeting entirely. > >>>> > >>>> Diane has been using something called Zoom on Windows. > >>>> Google turns up some hints that Zoom can work on Linux, > >>>> but it seems to be a binary mystery code that connects > >>>> to the mother ship and does secret stuff...anybody know? > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YCS6I… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/4HCI5… >

March 22, 2020

Re: YAICB (Yet Another Intel Cpu Bug) only worse...

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Chuck> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:19:22AM -0400, Jeff Moyer via WLUG wrote: >> Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >> > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 09:18:48PM -0400, Michael Voorhis via WLUG wrote: >> >> > All things will have bugs. I like AMD because they're the underdog >> >> > and competition is good. >> >> >> >> Competition IS good. >> >> >> >> None of my software has any bugs of any kind. Not a one, I tell you. >> > >> > It is time for an Open Source CPU/chipset. No more hidden code. >> >> I think RISC-V is as close as you're going to get in the near term. >> This entry from Bunnie Huang's blog may be of interest to you: >> >> https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=5706 Chuck> Thanks for that. Now I'll go back to using my Apple II with Chuck> its 6502 CPU. Does anyone have an electron microscope I can Chuck> borrow? LOL! There's a limit to how paranoid you can get.

March 19, 2020

Re: YAICB (Yet Another Intel Cpu Bug) only worse...

by soup

Power9 / https://www.raptorcs.com/ is the only one with modern grunt, tmk. The whole thing's open. Spendy but not for what it is. -soup On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:18 AM Michael Voorhis via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > On 3/19/20 11:01 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: > > It is time for an Open Source CPU/chipset. No more hidden code. > > Are there any viable contenders, in your opinion. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HK5XF… >

March 19, 2020

YAICB (Yet Another Intel Cpu Bug) only worse...

by Chuck Anderson

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:19:22AM -0400, Jeff Moyer via WLUG wrote: > Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 09:18:48PM -0400, Michael Voorhis via WLUG wrote: > >> > All things will have bugs. I like AMD because they're the underdog > >> > and competition is good. > >> > >> Competition IS good. > >> > >> None of my software has any bugs of any kind. Not a one, I tell you. > > > > It is time for an Open Source CPU/chipset. No more hidden code. > > I think RISC-V is as close as you're going to get in the near term. > This entry from Bunnie Huang's blog may be of interest to you: > > https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=5706 Thanks for that. Now I'll go back to using my Apple II with its 6502 CPU. Does anyone have an electron microscope I can borrow?

March 19, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] YAICB (Yet Another Intel Cpu Bug) only worse...

by Jeff Moyer

Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 09:18:48PM -0400, Michael Voorhis via WLUG wrote: >> > All things will have bugs. I like AMD because they're the underdog >> > and competition is good. >> >> Competition IS good. >> >> None of my software has any bugs of any kind. Not a one, I tell you. > > It is time for an Open Source CPU/chipset. No more hidden code. I think RISC-V is as close as you're going to get in the near term. This entry from Bunnie Huang's blog may be of interest to you: https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=5706 -Jeff

March 19, 2020

Re: YAICB (Yet Another Intel Cpu Bug) only worse...

by Michael Voorhis

On 3/19/20 11:01 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: > It is time for an Open Source CPU/chipset. No more hidden code. Are there any viable contenders, in your opinion.

March 19, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] YAICB (Yet Another Intel Cpu Bug) only worse...

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 09:18:48PM -0400, Michael Voorhis via WLUG wrote: > > All things will have bugs. I like AMD because they're the underdog > > and competition is good. > > Competition IS good. > > None of my software has any bugs of any kind. Not a one, I tell you. It is time for an Open Source CPU/chipset. No more hidden code.

March 19, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] YAICB (Yet Another Intel Cpu Bug) only worse...

by Michael Voorhis

> All things will have bugs. I like AMD because they're the underdog > and competition is good. Competition IS good. None of my software has any bugs of any kind. Not a one, I tell you. --MCV.

March 19, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] YAICB (Yet Another Intel Cpu Bug) only worse...

by John Stoffel

Michael> AMD's looking good..... of course their CPUs will be filled Michael> with bugs too. All things will have bugs. I like AMD because they're the underdog and competition is good.

March 19, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] YAICB (Yet Another Intel Cpu Bug) only worse...

by Michael Voorhis

(whoops, didn't CC the list on 1st try) AMD's looking good..... of course their CPUs will be filled with bugs too. On 3/18/20 6:08 PM, Krichevsky, Nicholas J. via WLUG wrote: > Oh good. No one was concerned about people breaking the SME at > all...

March 19, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] YAICB (Yet Another Intel Cpu Bug) only worse...

by Michael Voorhis

AMD's looking good..... of course their CPUs will be filled with bugs too. On 3/18/20 6:08 PM, Krichevsky, Nicholas J. via WLUG wrote: > Oh good. No one was concerned about people breaking the SME at all...

March 19, 2020

Re: [EXT] YAICB (Yet Another Intel Cpu Bug) only worse...

by Krichevsky, Nicholas J.

Oh good. No one was concerned about people breaking the SME at all... ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 1:51 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] YAICB (Yet Another Intel Cpu Bug) only worse... We should definitely talk about the huge flaw that was just found the CSME on intel cpu's from the last five years and how intel has admitted it's entirely unpatchable... https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/6/21167782/intel-processor-flaw-root-of-tru…<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theve…> Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 18, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow...

by Chris Thompson

(PS - moderator, please ignore my last post from the incorrect address...doh! sorry.) LOL Chuck. That's not very nice, but...funny! :P Sorry to hear you are stuck with Windows 'cause of "the man". Haven't used it for a rather long time now, so I dunno if these still even exist, but mIRC I think was the last I used (before that Pirch rings a bell). There are great Web-based interfaces if you are maintaining a server somewhere - my favorite there is the node implementation called "The Lounge". https://thelounge.chat/docs Nice thing is it'll stay connected for you so you won't miss messages. --Chris On 3/18/20 2:30 PM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: > format c: > > (make sure to run from a CMD window with Administrator privileges) > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 02:22:25PM -0400, Richard Klein via WLUG wrote: >> Do you guys have a favorite IRC client for Windows? >> >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 1:28 PM Chris Thompson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I would certainly recommend organizing in IRC, but for more interaction, >>> Jitsi is worth a shot. >>> >>> Zoom does work very well on Gnu/Linux, but yes - proprietary, so, >>> personally not interested in using them more than I already am coerced to >>> :P >>> >>> Jitsi usually handles rooms with up to about a dozen people pretty well, >>> but often struggles beyond that. Most issues are resolved with a simple >>> reload of the page. >>> >>> Try it out @ either of these instances, no registration require: >>> >>> https://meet.jit.si/ (typically pretty bleeding-edge, so sometimes less >>> stable) >>> >>> or: >>> >>> https://meet.mayfirst.org/ (pretty up to date, but generally more stable >>> of late) >>> >>> Tim, you may be able to recover your ident info with the following, once >>> you've connected with #Freenode. If the name is registered with >>> NickServ, it'll email you at the registered address: >>> >>> /msg NickServ SENDPASS turbox >>> >>> --Chris >>> IRC: wolcen >>> >>> On 3/18/20 11:28 AM, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: >>>>> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow... >>>>> From: madserge--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >>>>> >>>>> Never used IRC before but I do have an app on Manjaro called >>>>> Konversation that I think is a IRC client, would like to join if anyone >>>>> can tell me any info about the chat room that would be great! >>>> How did this work? >>>> >>>> I used IRC once before. A friend said "let's try this", >>>> and told me what program to run and how to start. >>>> >>>> The conversation went something like: >>>> Hi, are you there? Yes. It works! Yes. Well goodbye. >>>> >>>> That was many years ago, and I have forgotten the name >>>> of the program. Then I got busy and forgot the WLUG >>>> meeting entirely. >>>> >>>> Diane has been using something called Zoom on Windows. >>>> Google turns up some hints that Zoom can work on Linux, >>>> but it seems to be a binary mystery code that connects >>>> to the mother ship and does secret stuff...anybody know? > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YCS6I…

March 18, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow...

by Richard Klein

I can do that, but I don't think my employer would appreciate it! On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 2:31 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > format c: > > (make sure to run from a CMD window with Administrator privileges) > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 02:22:25PM -0400, Richard Klein via WLUG wrote: > > Do you guys have a favorite IRC client for Windows? > > > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 1:28 PM Chris Thompson via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > wrote: > > > > > I would certainly recommend organizing in IRC, but for more > interaction, > > > Jitsi is worth a shot. > > > > > > Zoom does work very well on Gnu/Linux, but yes - proprietary, so, > > > personally not interested in using them more than I already am coerced > to > > > :P > > > > > > Jitsi usually handles rooms with up to about a dozen people pretty > well, > > > but often struggles beyond that. Most issues are resolved with a simple > > > reload of the page. > > > > > > Try it out @ either of these instances, no registration require: > > > > > > https://meet.jit.si/ (typically pretty bleeding-edge, so sometimes > less > > > stable) > > > > > > or: > > > > > > https://meet.mayfirst.org/ (pretty up to date, but generally more > stable > > > of late) > > > > > > Tim, you may be able to recover your ident info with the following, > once > > > you've connected with #Freenode. If the name is registered with > > > NickServ, it'll email you at the registered address: > > > > > > /msg NickServ SENDPASS turbox > > > > > > --Chris > > > IRC: wolcen > > > > > > On 3/18/20 11:28 AM, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > > > >> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow... > > > >> From: madserge--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > > >> > > > >> Never used IRC before but I do have an app on Manjaro called > > > >> Konversation that I think is a IRC client, would like to join if > anyone > > > >> can tell me any info about the chat room that would be great! > > > > How did this work? > > > > > > > > I used IRC once before. A friend said "let's try this", > > > > and told me what program to run and how to start. > > > > > > > > The conversation went something like: > > > > Hi, are you there? Yes. It works! Yes. Well goodbye. > > > > > > > > That was many years ago, and I have forgotten the name > > > > of the program. Then I got busy and forgot the WLUG > > > > meeting entirely. > > > > > > > > Diane has been using something called Zoom on Windows. > > > > Google turns up some hints that Zoom can work on Linux, > > > > but it seems to be a binary mystery code that connects > > > > to the mother ship and does secret stuff...anybody know? > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YCS6I… >

March 18, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow...

by Chuck Anderson

format c: (make sure to run from a CMD window with Administrator privileges) On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 02:22:25PM -0400, Richard Klein via WLUG wrote: > Do you guys have a favorite IRC client for Windows? > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 1:28 PM Chris Thompson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > I would certainly recommend organizing in IRC, but for more interaction, > > Jitsi is worth a shot. > > > > Zoom does work very well on Gnu/Linux, but yes - proprietary, so, > > personally not interested in using them more than I already am coerced to > > :P > > > > Jitsi usually handles rooms with up to about a dozen people pretty well, > > but often struggles beyond that. Most issues are resolved with a simple > > reload of the page. > > > > Try it out @ either of these instances, no registration require: > > > > https://meet.jit.si/ (typically pretty bleeding-edge, so sometimes less > > stable) > > > > or: > > > > https://meet.mayfirst.org/ (pretty up to date, but generally more stable > > of late) > > > > Tim, you may be able to recover your ident info with the following, once > > you've connected with #Freenode. If the name is registered with > > NickServ, it'll email you at the registered address: > > > > /msg NickServ SENDPASS turbox > > > > --Chris > > IRC: wolcen > > > > On 3/18/20 11:28 AM, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > > >> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow... > > >> From: madserge--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > >> > > >> Never used IRC before but I do have an app on Manjaro called > > >> Konversation that I think is a IRC client, would like to join if anyone > > >> can tell me any info about the chat room that would be great! > > > How did this work? > > > > > > I used IRC once before. A friend said "let's try this", > > > and told me what program to run and how to start. > > > > > > The conversation went something like: > > > Hi, are you there? Yes. It works! Yes. Well goodbye. > > > > > > That was many years ago, and I have forgotten the name > > > of the program. Then I got busy and forgot the WLUG > > > meeting entirely. > > > > > > Diane has been using something called Zoom on Windows. > > > Google turns up some hints that Zoom can work on Linux, > > > but it seems to be a binary mystery code that connects > > > to the mother ship and does secret stuff...anybody know?

March 18, 2020

Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow...

by Richard Klein

Do you guys have a favorite IRC client for Windows? On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 1:28 PM Chris Thompson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I would certainly recommend organizing in IRC, but for more interaction, > Jitsi is worth a shot. > > Zoom does work very well on Gnu/Linux, but yes - proprietary, so, > personally not interested in using them more than I already am coerced to > :P > > Jitsi usually handles rooms with up to about a dozen people pretty well, > but often struggles beyond that. Most issues are resolved with a simple > reload of the page. > > Try it out @ either of these instances, no registration require: > > https://meet.jit.si/ (typically pretty bleeding-edge, so sometimes less > stable) > > or: > > https://meet.mayfirst.org/ (pretty up to date, but generally more stable > of late) > > Tim, you may be able to recover your ident info with the following, once > you've connected with #Freenode. If the name is registered with > NickServ, it'll email you at the registered address: > > /msg NickServ SENDPASS turbox > > --Chris > IRC: wolcen > > On 3/18/20 11:28 AM, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > >> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow... > >> From: madserge--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > >> > >> Never used IRC before but I do have an app on Manjaro called > >> Konversation that I think is a IRC client, would like to join if anyone > >> can tell me any info about the chat room that would be great! > > How did this work? > > > > I used IRC once before. A friend said "let's try this", > > and told me what program to run and how to start. > > > > The conversation went something like: > > Hi, are you there? Yes. It works! Yes. Well goodbye. > > > > That was many years ago, and I have forgotten the name > > of the program. Then I got busy and forgot the WLUG > > meeting entirely. > > > > Diane has been using something called Zoom on Windows. > > Google turns up some hints that Zoom can work on Linux, > > but it seems to be a binary mystery code that connects > > to the mother ship and does secret stuff...anybody know? > > > > -- Keith > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MZ7RF… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BPEXF… >

March 18, 2020

Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow...

by Chris Thompson

I would certainly recommend organizing in IRC, but for more interaction, Jitsi is worth a shot. Zoom does work very well on Gnu/Linux, but yes - proprietary, so, personally not interested in using them more than I already am coerced to :P Jitsi usually handles rooms with up to about a dozen people pretty well, but often struggles beyond that. Most issues are resolved with a simple reload of the page. Try it out @ either of these instances, no registration require: https://meet.jit.si/ (typically pretty bleeding-edge, so sometimes less stable) or: https://meet.mayfirst.org/ (pretty up to date, but generally more stable of late) Tim, you may be able to recover your ident info with the following, once you've connected with #Freenode. If the name is registered with NickServ, it'll email you at the registered address: /msg NickServ SENDPASS turbox --Chris IRC: wolcen On 3/18/20 11:28 AM, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: >> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow... >> From: madserge--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> >> Never used IRC before but I do have an app on Manjaro called >> Konversation that I think is a IRC client, would like to join if anyone >> can tell me any info about the chat room that would be great! > How did this work? > > I used IRC once before. A friend said "let's try this", > and told me what program to run and how to start. > > The conversation went something like: > Hi, are you there? Yes. It works! Yes. Well goodbye. > > That was many years ago, and I have forgotten the name > of the program. Then I got busy and forgot the WLUG > meeting entirely. > > Diane has been using something called Zoom on Windows. > Google turns up some hints that Zoom can work on Linux, > but it seems to be a binary mystery code that connects > to the mother ship and does secret stuff...anybody know? > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MZ7RF…

March 18, 2020

Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow...

by Keith Wright

> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow... > From: madserge--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > Never used IRC before but I do have an app on Manjaro called > Konversation that I think is a IRC client, would like to join if anyone > can tell me any info about the chat room that would be great! How did this work? I used IRC once before. A friend said "let's try this", and told me what program to run and how to start. The conversation went something like: Hi, are you there? Yes. It works! Yes. Well goodbye. That was many years ago, and I have forgotten the name of the program. Then I got busy and forgot the WLUG meeting entirely. Diane has been using something called Zoom on Windows. Google turns up some hints that Zoom can work on Linux, but it seems to be a binary mystery code that connects to the mother ship and does secret stuff...anybody know? -- Keith

March 18, 2020

Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow...

by Tim Keller

I've hoped on just to see that our channel still exists... and it does. I'm "turbofx_" I think I registered the "turbox" username eons ago and long ago forgot what ever password/token I needed. On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:25 AM THE HAMMER via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I'm try to join in also on the IRC around 7pm. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:19 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > *Cc:* Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > *Subject:* [WLUG] Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow... > > I'm cancelling the physical WLUG meeting for March. > > WPI just put out a notice that they're closed for all events/meetings and > I've been contacted by several members that they're going to be staying > home out of an abundance of caution or they're under the weather... > > I'll be in our IRC channel tomorrow night and we can continue the fun > online! > > Hopefully things will calm down for April. > > Stay safe. > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LPIDF… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 12, 2020

Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow...

by THE HAMMER

I'm try to join in also on the IRC around 7pm. ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:19 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow... I'm cancelling the physical WLUG meeting for March. WPI just put out a notice that they're closed for all events/meetings and I've been contacted by several members that they're going to be staying home out of an abundance of caution or they're under the weather... I'll be in our IRC channel tomorrow night and we can continue the fun online! Hopefully things will calm down for April. Stay safe. Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 12, 2020

Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow...

by Gregory Avedissian

On 3/12/20 7:45 AM, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > > > On 3/12/20 12:51 AM, madserge--- via WLUG wrote: >> Never used IRC before but I do have an app on Manjaro called Konversation that I think is a IRC client, would like to join if anyone can tell me any info about the chat room that would be great! >> >> -Forrest > > > Konversation will work. I don't remember where any of the settings are in it. > > Connect to freenode.net and join #wlug-ma > > Greg > I should check before I type. It's just called 'freenode' in hexchat.

March 12, 2020

Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow...

by Gregory Avedissian

On 3/12/20 12:51 AM, madserge--- via WLUG wrote: > Never used IRC before but I do have an app on Manjaro called Konversation that I think is a IRC client, would like to join if anyone can tell me any info about the chat room that would be great! > > -Forrest Konversation will work. I don't remember where any of the settings are in it. Connect to freenode.net and join #wlug-ma Greg

March 12, 2020

Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow...

by Eric Martin

IRC.freenode.net /join #wlug-ma There’s a bit of background on the ‘Participate’ tab http://wlug.org/participate.html, but that’s the relevant pieces. I’m on my mobile so pardon the brevity. Eric > On Mar 12, 2020, at 12:51 AM, madserge--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Never used IRC before but I do have an app on Manjaro called Konversation that I think is a IRC client, would like to join if anyone can tell me any info about the chat room that would be great! > > -Forrest > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LSH3F…

March 12, 2020

Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow...

by madserge＠pm.me

Never used IRC before but I do have an app on Manjaro called Konversation that I think is a IRC client, would like to join if anyone can tell me any info about the chat room that would be great! -Forrest

March 12, 2020

Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow...

by Eric Martin

I was planning to go to this one before this whole issue. I’ll be on IRC Eric > On Mar 11, 2020, at 6:22 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > Tim> I'm cancelling the physical WLUG meeting for March. > > Not a bad idea. > > Tim> WPI just put out a notice that they're closed for all > Tim> events/meetings and I've been contacted by several members that > Tim> they're going to be staying home out of an abundance of caution > Tim> or they're under the weather... > > Tim> I'll be in our IRC channel tomorrow night and we can continue the fun online! > > Tim> Hopefully things will calm down for April. > > Heh, I haven't used irc for over a decade now, and never was a big irc > user. Maybe I'll try to join up thursday night. I've been messing > around with ATTiny85 chips and programming them from Linux lately. > Need to get off my duff and do more with it. > > Ideally I'll be able to give a talk about KiCAD and designing boards > with Linux (and windows) software. Very cool stuff. > > John > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/STSJX…

March 11, 2020

Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow...

by John Stoffel

Tim> I'm cancelling the physical WLUG meeting for March. Not a bad idea. Tim> WPI just put out a notice that they're closed for all Tim> events/meetings and I've been contacted by several members that Tim> they're going to be staying home out of an abundance of caution Tim> or they're under the weather... Tim> I'll be in our IRC channel tomorrow night and we can continue the fun online! Tim> Hopefully things will calm down for April. Heh, I haven't used irc for over a decade now, and never was a big irc user. Maybe I'll try to join up thursday night. I've been messing around with ATTiny85 chips and programming them from Linux lately. Need to get off my duff and do more with it. Ideally I'll be able to give a talk about KiCAD and designing boards with Linux (and windows) software. Very cool stuff. John

March 11, 2020

Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow...

by Tim Keller

I just cancelled the event on meetup as well. Thanks, Tim. On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 5:00 PM Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Have you pushed the cancellation through Meetup, too? > > On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:20 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> I'm cancelling the physical WLUG meeting for March. >> >> WPI just put out a notice that they're closed for all events/meetings and >> I've been contacted by several members that they're going to be staying >> home out of an abundance of caution or they're under the weather... >> >> I'll be in our IRC channel tomorrow night and we can continue the fun >> online! >> >> Hopefully things will calm down for April. >> >> Stay safe. >> Tim. >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZRTEQ… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TQ7MT… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 11, 2020

Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow...

by Richard Klein

Have you pushed the cancellation through Meetup, too? On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:20 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I'm cancelling the physical WLUG meeting for March. > > WPI just put out a notice that they're closed for all events/meetings and > I've been contacted by several members that they're going to be staying > home out of an abundance of caution or they're under the weather... > > I'll be in our IRC channel tomorrow night and we can continue the fun > online! > > Hopefully things will calm down for April. > > Stay safe. > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZRTEQ… >

March 11, 2020

Re: Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow...

by Richard Klein

That's too bad, but it's reasonable. I'm awfully rusty on IRC. How can I reserve my username? -- Rich On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 4:20 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I'm cancelling the physical WLUG meeting for March. > > WPI just put out a notice that they're closed for all events/meetings and > I've been contacted by several members that they're going to be staying > home out of an abundance of caution or they're under the weather... > > I'll be in our IRC channel tomorrow night and we can continue the fun > online! > > Hopefully things will calm down for April. > > Stay safe. > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZRTEQ… >

March 11, 2020

Physical WLUG Meeting is cancelled tomorrow...

by Tim Keller

I'm cancelling the physical WLUG meeting for March. WPI just put out a notice that they're closed for all events/meetings and I've been contacted by several members that they're going to be staying home out of an abundance of caution or they're under the weather... I'll be in our IRC channel tomorrow night and we can continue the fun online! Hopefully things will calm down for April. Stay safe. Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 11, 2020