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Re: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Pete Wason

Keller, Tim wrote: > I'd also like to recommend www.bookpool.com as well, for a couple of > reasons! I recently applied for a job with these folks. Pete

March 10, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Martin, Eric

So, right now I don't get paid to read most of my ORA books, getting paid for it would be great!!!! Although, I am reading "Mastering Regular Expressions" right now on company time...got to get the spam filter working the best possible... -----Original Message----- From: Mike Peckar [mailto:fog@fognet.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 9:28 PM To: 'Worcester Linux Users Group' Subject: RE: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store... Bummer. ..was in that store last week and the clerk there was so bored he was half way through a book of "Jumbles." I wondered how many unemployed techno-dweebs would jump at the chance to be paid to read ORA books all day (albeit minimum wage). If only. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 10, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Mike Peckar

Bummer. ..was in that store last week and the clerk there was so bored he was half way through a book of "Jumbles." I wondered how many unemployed techno-dweebs would jump at the chance to be paid to read ORA books all day (albeit minimum wage). If only.

March 10, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Keller, Tim

I'd also like to recommend www.bookpool.com as well, for a couple of reasons! Firstly, it's a great bookstore. I purchased an o'reilly book and the book + shipping was less than the price on the back of the book! Secondly, my friend and a fellow WLUGger (Marc Hughes) works for bookpool! Later, Tim. There's nothing wrong with a man that a Playstation 2 and a copy of Vice City can't cure. -- Penny Arcade -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Kinz [mailto:jkinz@kinz.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 8:25 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store... On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 12:10:44AM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > On Monday 08 March 2004 11:59 pm, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 11:42:44PM -0500, Michael Kingsbury wrote: > > > to Softpro once.... cover price gets old. > > > > Don't WLUG members get 10% off? I seem to remember going there and > > having to decide over the WBUR, WGBH, and iirc, WLUG discounts. > > Yes, there is a discount on many items for WLUG members. I'm not sure of the > percentage, but I think its 10%. > > > > > There's just something about walking into a store and seeing every ORA > > book right there. ;) http://www.bookpool.com - all the ORA books, always 25% to 45% off -All the time. Sofpro was nice to have around for emergencies but if you can wait 3-4 days for a book, I always go to bookpool. Cheaper and wider selection. (darned hard to read a few pages before buying tho'... :) ) They are located in vineyard haven. IIRC -- Jeff Kinz, Open-PC, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. "jkinz(a)kinz.org" is copyright 2003. Use is restricted. Any use is an acceptance of the offer at http://www.kinz.org/policy.html. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Jeff Kinz

On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 12:10:44AM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > On Monday 08 March 2004 11:59 pm, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 11:42:44PM -0500, Michael Kingsbury wrote: > > > to Softpro once.... cover price gets old. > > > > Don't WLUG members get 10% off? I seem to remember going there and > > having to decide over the WBUR, WGBH, and iirc, WLUG discounts. > > Yes, there is a discount on many items for WLUG members. I'm not sure of the > percentage, but I think its 10%. > > > > > There's just something about walking into a store and seeing every ORA > > book right there. ;) http://www.bookpool.com - all the ORA books, always 25% to 45% off -All the time. Sofpro was nice to have around for emergencies but if you can wait 3-4 days for a book, I always go to bookpool. Cheaper and wider selection. (darned hard to read a few pages before buying tho'... :) ) They are located in vineyard haven. IIRC -- Jeff Kinz, Open-PC, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. "jkinz(a)kinz.org" is copyright 2003. Use is restricted. Any use is an acceptance of the offer at http://www.kinz.org/policy.html.

March 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Andy Stewart

On Monday 08 March 2004 11:59 pm, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 11:42:44PM -0500, Michael Kingsbury wrote: > > to Softpro once.... cover price gets old. > > Don't WLUG members get 10% off? I seem to remember going there and > having to decide over the WBUR, WGBH, and iirc, WLUG discounts. Yes, there is a discount on many items for WLUG members. I'm not sure of the percentage, but I think its 10%. > > There's just something about walking into a store and seeing every ORA > book right there. ;) :-) Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

March 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Theo Van Dinter

On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 11:42:44PM -0500, Michael Kingsbury wrote: > to Softpro once.... cover price gets old. Don't WLUG members get 10% off? I seem to remember going there and having to decide over the WBUR, WGBH, and iirc, WLUG discounts. There's just something about walking into a store and seeing every ORA book right there. ;) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: Flanders! My socks feel dirty! Gimme some water to wash 'em! -- Homer Simpson Boy-Scoutz n the Hood

March 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Michael Kingsbury

On Monday 08 March 2004 10:12 pm, Andy Stewart wrote: > A few months (or more?) ago, the Burlington store closed and they moved it > to Waltham. I had visited the Burlington and Marlboro stores several > times, but I have yet to make it to Waltham. It was some point last fall. I think the Burlington location could not easily compete with B&N a quarter mile down the street and carrying a lot of simliar/same titles for less. If B&N doesn't have a title, usually I'll go online unless I'm in a real hurry for the book, in which case I think I went to Softpro once.... cover price gets old. -mike

March 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Andy Stewart

On Monday 08 March 2004 9:45 pm, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 09:15:18PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > > It is with great sadness that we've decided to consolidate our > > operations into our one Waltham store. > > Hey... What happened to the Burlington store? Everytime I drive to > Billerica to visit ye ol' employer's co-lo facility I feel I should > stop off. :( A few months (or more?) ago, the Burlington store closed and they moved it to Waltham. I had visited the Burlington and Marlboro stores several times, but I have yet to make it to Waltham. Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

March 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Gregory Boyce

On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 21:15, Andy Stewart wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Marlborough Softpro to Close - Last Day is March 20. > Softpro Books Waltham will Serve as Single Location > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > It is with great sadness that we've decided to consolidate our > operations into our one Waltham store. Ugh. And I just visited it for the first time a month or so ago. I was amazed to find such a great selection 5 minutes away from my house.

March 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Theo Van Dinter

On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 09:15:18PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > It is with great sadness that we've decided to consolidate our > operations into our one Waltham store. Hey... What happened to the Burlington store? Everytime I drive to Billerica to visit ye ol' employer's co-lo facility I feel I should stop off. :( -- Randomly Generated Tagline: `When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows", people just stare at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, *for free*".' (By Linus Torvalds)

March 9, 2004

Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Andy Stewart

>From Softpro - FYI: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Marlborough Softpro to Close - Last Day is March 20. Softpro Books Waltham will Serve as Single Location ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It is with great sadness that we've decided to consolidate our operations into our one Waltham store. The economy has taken its toll on our Marlborough location which we opened with great optimism over 4 years ago. Our last day will be Sat., March 20. Between now and then, we're selling all of our Marlboro inventory at 25% off (sorry, no special orders). Gift certificates will continue to be honored at our Waltham store. We apologize for any inconvenience to our Marlborough area customers and hope that you will visit us in our Waltham store, conveniently located on Route 128/95 at the Totten Pond Road exit. For directions, please visit our web site (www.softpro.com/info.html) or call us at 781-487-2220. -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

March 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] KDE: Konqueror and fish protocol

by Andy Stewart

On Monday 08 March 2004 12:08 am, brad noyes wrote: > > This is called a KIOSlave. KDE has many KIOSlaves that are available to all > KDE applications. If you are running KDE 3.2, start kinfocenter, about > two-thirds of the way down the list on your left, you'll see 'Protocols', > click that to see all the protocols, or KIOSlaves, available in KDE. > Another one that i use is info:// because i can never remember how to > navigate info pages. > > This is a really cool technology that KDE has had since the 2.0 days. Gnome > has something similar called GnomeVFS, i believe. > > enjoy, > --Brad HI Brad, I didn't know about kinfocenter. Upon seeing that, I suspected that this info was also buried in the KDE Control Center, but I don't see it there (I'm running KDE 3.1.4). After poking around, I see that it is available in the KDE Help Center (khelpcenter). I tried using the fish protocol to access the machine hosting the WLUG website, and it worked just great. I've been looking for this definitive list of the KIOSlaves for some time. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

March 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] KDE: Konqueror and fish protocol

by Frank Sweetser

On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 12:08:51AM -0500, brad noyes wrote: > This is a really cool technology that KDE has had since the 2.0 days. Gnome > has something similar called GnomeVFS, i believe. I don't know if KDE started it or not, but at least gnome and lftp both support "fish" protocol. The fish apparently (roughly) stands for "files over ssh", and appears to be an alternative to sftp. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer

March 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] KDE: Konqueror and fish protocol

by brad noyes

On Sunday 07 March 2004 20:08, Andy Stewart wrote: > HI all, > Hi, > Does anybody know what this "fish protocol" is that Konqueror can > apparently use? > >From KDE Docs: "Allows you to access another computer's files using a simple SSH shell account and standard UNIX® utilities on the remote side." This is not only for konqueror, but all KDE enabled applications. For example, if you are writing a document using kword or kate, you can go to 'File->Save As ... ' and in the directory location you can type fish://<remotehost>/ and you'll be able to save the kword document to the remote host over ssh. This actually applies anythere you see a file dialog in a KDE application. > I've noticed in Konqueror that besides typing "http:", one can also type > things like "camera:", "ftp:", "sftp:" (but it doesn't quite work for me), > and perhaps many others. I've just discovered "fish:" which appears to > work the way I would expect "sftp:" to work. > > Does anybody have any experience with this? This is called a KIOSlave. KDE has many KIOSlaves that are available to all KDE applications. If you are running KDE 3.2, start kinfocenter, about two-thirds of the way down the list on your left, you'll see 'Protocols', click that to see all the protocols, or KIOSlaves, available in KDE. Another one that i use is info:// because i can never remember how to navigate info pages. This is a really cool technology that KDE has had since the 2.0 days. Gnome has something similar called GnomeVFS, i believe. enjoy, --Brad

March 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] KDE: Konqueror and fish protocol

by Gregory Boyce

On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 20:08, Andy Stewart wrote: > HI all, > > Does anybody know what this "fish protocol" is that Konqueror can apparently > use? > > I've noticed in Konqueror that besides typing "http:", one can also type > things like "camera:", "ftp:", "sftp:" (but it doesn't quite work for me), > and perhaps many others. I've just discovered "fish:" which appears to work > the way I would expect "sftp:" to work. > > Does anybody have any experience with this? I haven't used it, but a quick google search turned up this: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/2003-11/1544.html It's apparently a kde built in scp functionality. -- Gregory Boyce <gboyce(a)badbelly.com>

March 8, 2004

KDE: Konqueror and fish protocol

by Andy Stewart

HI all, Does anybody know what this "fish protocol" is that Konqueror can apparently use? I've noticed in Konqueror that besides typing "http:", one can also type things like "camera:", "ftp:", "sftp:" (but it doesn't quite work for me), and perhaps many others. I've just discovered "fish:" which appears to work the way I would expect "sftp:" to work. Does anybody have any experience with this? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

March 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest

by gboyce＠badbelly.com

On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Scott Venier wrote: > Charles R. Anderson said: > > On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 07:03:49PM -0500, Ryan Caron wrote: > >> Gentoo since its so customizable, and the fact that everything is > >> compiled > >> from the source code speeds up the computer a fair amount. > > > > Placebo affect most likely. > > > Thank you thank you thank you. > > I'm so sick of the gentoo weenies claiming that. As a "Gentoo Weenie" (Don't worry, no real offense taken), I'd like to comment on this. Yes, Gentoo does compile packages optimized for the CPU. I'm sure this does speed up packages, although probably not as much as a lot of Gentoo users seem to think. What people fail to take into consideration is the other available optimizations. When packages are compiled for most major distributions need to compile any and all available options that the distribution will support for any particular set of users. For a quick example: Evolution. Here are the available options you can enable/disable in Evolution for Gentoo: crypt doc ipv6 kde kerberos ldap mozilla pda spell ssl Redhat would need to compile support for all of these things into Evolution if any of their customers are going to use the feature. Each of these options add more memory requirements to evolution at the very least. Certain options may also increase the amount of cpu time used by the process as well. Other packages have even more options. Added together you can certainly save quite a bit of system resources on a heavily utilized system. Changes to the kernel itself and glibc can also give you savings or performance increases. (Yes, you can compile a custom kernel for other distros). Enabling nptl for glibc can give you a big speed increase if you're not using any programs that break with it. -- Greg

March 5, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest

by Frank Rizzo

> Martin, Eric wrote: > What are you looking for as far as help? > > > I'm running RH8.0 on my server. > > a. I'm not sure if I should continue to use RH as support has expired, and I > can't affort their enterprise version. I was using RedHat for a while, and made the switch to SlackWare 9.1, seems really stable and comes 2.6 "ready". It aslo has rpm capabilites ( I haven't tested yet ). I'm happy I made the switch. -joe

March 4, 2004

RE: [Wlug] DistCC

by Martin, Eric

Let me try and get a few things working in house, but I'm def up for trying...i have a PIII that can donate a few cycles.... -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Caron [mailto:rcaron@WPI.EDU] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:47 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] DistCC 1) are you referring to the log that distcc generaties via distcc-config --set-log ? Or are you referring to your compile screens? If the compile screens, then DistCC is working, it just doesn't display it. Try setting the log file and reviewing it after a compile 2) I can't get the monitor to see anything either, thats why i stick with the log. One disadvantage to the log is that it does not log date & time, which a friend of mine (the other guy on the distcc servers page) is trying to resolve. 3) I'm just doing x86 at this point, but I'll install cross compile support for you on my machines. 4) Just send me your server names and I will add them to my page. I'm thinking about writing a script that will parse a web page for server names and plug it into the distcc hosts variable. That way the network would be more dynamic to changes in the host lists. I'll keep you all posted. On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 "Martin, Eric" wrote Subject: RE: [Wlug] DistCC 1) I would like to, but I'm having problems getting distcc to work (I think). When I configure my clients, they will keep showing lines that *distcc can't find host 192.168.0.10*, but when that client is up, I don't get anything. I'm running gentoo on all my linux boxes, and I followed the distcc guide. 2) I can't get the monitor to see anything...any help? 3) Are you just doing x86 or do we want to try cross compiling, or have a few networks? I have a few x86s, a sparc64 and a ppcG3 all running gentoo. I'm trying to get cross compiling working, but like I said, I can't see if stuff is going or not. 4) I'm up for it. Share and Share alike _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] DistCC

by Ryan Caron

1) are you referring to the log that distcc generaties via distcc-config --set-log ? Or are you referring to your compile screens? If the compile screens, then DistCC is working, it just doesn't display it. Try setting the log file and reviewing it after a compile 2) I can't get the monitor to see anything either, thats why i stick with the log. One disadvantage to the log is that it does not log date & time, which a friend of mine (the other guy on the distcc servers page) is trying to resolve. 3) I'm just doing x86 at this point, but I'll install cross compile support for you on my machines. 4) Just send me your server names and I will add them to my page. I'm thinking about writing a script that will parse a web page for server names and plug it into the distcc hosts variable. That way the network would be more dynamic to changes in the host lists. I'll keep you all posted. On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 "Martin, Eric" wrote Subject: RE: [Wlug] DistCC 1) I would like to, but I'm having problems getting distcc to work (I think). When I configure my clients, they will keep showing lines that *distcc can't find host 192.168.0.10*, but when that client is up, I don't get anything. I'm running gentoo on all my linux boxes, and I followed the distcc guide. 2) I can't get the monitor to see anything...any help? 3) Are you just doing x86 or do we want to try cross compiling, or have a few networks? I have a few x86s, a sparc64 and a ppcG3 all running gentoo. I'm trying to get cross compiling working, but like I said, I can't see if stuff is going or not. 4) I'm up for it. Share and Share alike

March 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Gentoo...

by Frank Sweetser

On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 02:34:01PM -0500, Ryan Caron wrote: > But major distros like Red Hat, for compatibility sake, compile their code > (or at least used to) as i386 for compatibility. Some have moved to i586. > But my gentoo box is specifically compiled for the P4 with O3 compile > flag. So that does speed things up a bit. Not entirely true. The most critical components, namely the kernel and glibc, are compiled for i386, i586, i686, and athlon. The most appropriate version is automatically installed. > Also, I run seti@home 24/7 on my personal boxes, so I never have any idle > CPU percentages. On Red Hat seti@home would slow me down when I was > really working the computer's resources. Haven't seen that happen yet in > Gentoo. Running *exactly* the same kernel? Not just the same version as returned by uname -a, but precisely the same line-for-line code base? Most distros patch the kernel, and the scheduler can make a huge difference in situations like that, regardless of whether you or the developer compiled it. > So, maybe its not the compiles that make it faster. But the capability to > customize it, its inherent leanness (do I really want to install this if > it takes 4 hours to compile)?, and its package system make it my linux > distro of choice. Interestingly enough, those are exactly the same reasons that I prefer RedHat over gentoo. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer

March 4, 2004

Gentoo...

by Ryan Caron

Whoa, didn't mean to start a mini flame war! I think the portage system does wonders with the dependencies, and as I understand it portage is very BSD-like (I don't have any experience with BSD yet) with their package system. OK, one box boots up in 24 seconds (from GRUB menu to XDM login), and the other in 16 seconds (GRUB to CLI login). Now, thats a lot faster than default Red Hat installs, which can take minutes on a similarly capable machine. A good part of the faster bootup is that my Gentoo installation is, at least for now, much leaner than Red Hat and doesn't have to load as many daemons. But major distros like Red Hat, for compatibility sake, compile their code (or at least used to) as i386 for compatibility. Some have moved to i586. But my gentoo box is specifically compiled for the P4 with O3 compile flag. So that does speed things up a bit. Also, I run seti@home 24/7 on my personal boxes, so I never have any idle CPU percentages. On Red Hat seti@home would slow me down when I was really working the computer's resources. Haven't seen that happen yet in Gentoo. So, maybe its not the compiles that make it faster. But the capability to customize it, its inherent leanness (do I really want to install this if it takes 4 hours to compile)?, and its package system make it my linux distro of choice. Ryan Caron ACM Secretary

March 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] DistCC

by orbitz＠ezabel.com

I have you don't any tests for over a network with latency like the internet? I'm wondering if, because the curernt distcc protocol is rather gross, one will get better compile times considering teh transfering of the files might take longer than actually compiling. On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:27:37 -0500 (EST) Ryan Caron <rcaron(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > It appears that at least a couple people here are using Gentoo. I am > working on building a DistCC (Distributed C Compiling) network so that our > "emerge -u world" and Stage 1 installations go by that much quicker. It > has substantially improved my installation time - my first Stage 1 > install, which did not use Distcc took nearly 3 days (some downtime was > incurred since I had to sleep and go to class). With only 2 Pentium 4's > and 1 Pentium 3, I was able to cut that time down to about 24 hours - the > installation was on my 1.6Ghz Celeron, so you know that most of the > compiling capabilities wasn't done on that! > > If you would like to use the Distcc network I'm putting together to get > your Gentoo box running or to make emerge -u world that much quicker, all > I ask is that you please run the Distcc server on your machine as well. > The list of servers, scheduled emerge -u world times, and a script I wrote > to automatically do emerge -u world is available at: > http://www.acm.wpi.edu/~rcaron/Gentoo.shtml > > Gentoo's HOW-TO on configuring DistCC is at: > http://www.Gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml > > Please email me if you have any questions or would like to contribute to > the network. > > Sincerely, > Ryan Caron > ACM Secretary > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] DistCC

by Zhiwei Ren

Sorry, Could you please remove me from this list. thanks Ren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin, Eric" <MartinE(a)worc.k12.ma.us> To: "'Worcester Linux Users Group'" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:12 AM Subject: RE: [Wlug] DistCC > 1) I would like to, but I'm having problems getting distcc to work (I > think). When I configure my clients, they will keep showing lines that > *distcc can't find host 192.168.0.10*, but when that client is up, I don't > get anything. I'm running gentoo on all my linux boxes, and I followed the > distcc guide. > > 2) I can't get the monitor to see anything...any help? > > 3) Are you just doing x86 or do we want to try cross compiling, or have a > few networks? I have a few x86s, a sparc64 and a ppcG3 all running gentoo. > I'm trying to get cross compiling working, but like I said, I can't see if > stuff is going or not. > > 4) I'm up for it. Share and Share alike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Caron [mailto:rcaron@WPI.EDU] > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 7:28 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] DistCC > > > It appears that at least a couple people here are using Gentoo. I am > working on building a DistCC (Distributed C Compiling) network so that our > "emerge -u world" and Stage 1 installations go by that much quicker. It has > substantially improved my installation time - my first Stage 1 install, > which did not use Distcc took nearly 3 days (some downtime was incurred > since I had to sleep and go to class). With only 2 Pentium 4's and 1 > Pentium 3, I was able to cut that time down to about 24 hours - the > installation was on my 1.6Ghz Celeron, so you know that most of the > compiling capabilities wasn't done on that! > > If you would like to use the Distcc network I'm putting together to get your > Gentoo box running or to make emerge -u world that much quicker, all I ask > is that you please run the Distcc server on your machine as well. The list > of servers, scheduled emerge -u world times, and a script I wrote to > automatically do emerge -u world is available at: > http://www.acm.wpi.edu/~rcaron/Gentoo.shtml > > Gentoo's HOW-TO on configuring DistCC is at: > http://www.Gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml > > Please email me if you have any questions or would like to contribute to the > network. > > Sincerely, > Ryan Caron > ACM Secretary > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

March 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest

by Josh Huber

"Scott Venier" <scott(a)scooter.cx> writes: > That was supposed to be off list. Bad squirrelmail. Actually, bad settings on the list server. This list preforms reply-to munging, which has caused several people in the past to accidentally reply to the list when they had intended to send a private message. I like this: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html And this: http://cr.yp.to/proto/replyto.html wrt. building from source vs. binary packages, of course there is a tradeoff. I use Debian myself, and might consider trying something else if I actually had some measurable amount of free time to screw around with building software. I think an important part of using a distribution with binary packages is learning how to make your own. (be it RH or Debian, etc) Once you do know how, dealing with that one package which isn't built the way you like it becomes much easier. -- Josh Huber

March 4, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest

by Martin, Eric

For me honestly, it has to do with the fact that I got sick and tired of RedHat. I got tired of *rpm -qa | grep (some dependancy)* Do I feel like it sped things up from redhat, yeah! Do I like the fact that I've learned a ton about linux, not RedHat, yeah. (Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing RH, its just that *I* used RPMS as way too much of a crutch.) I like that I had evolution w/o ldap support, said "oh, I must have forgotten that flag", fixed the flag, and recompilied. Portage dl'd ldap for me, I didn't have to worry about deps...that's where gentoo really takes it for me. Eric Ps, sorry for ranting on the list -----Original Message----- From: Scott Venier [mailto:scott@scooter.cx] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:57 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest Scott Venier said: > Thank you thank you thank you. > > I'm so sick of the gentoo weenies claiming that. > OK. I'll apologize for this one up front. That was supposed to be off list. Bad squirrelmail. Now for some justification so I don't seem like a total jerk. I've just read reports of using 3 days of CPU time to intall a gentoo system. My wimpy k6 system has over 98% idle cpu cycles - that's running i386 compiled debian code and a not totally trivial workload, it's a firewall, mail/web/dns server, and has a fair number of interactive users (15 as I write this, but it's still early in the day). My computer spends almost all of its time waiting for me. Any time that it doesn't spend waiting for me is spent waiting for I/O devices like disks and the network. If you want your computer to be faster, get yourself gobs of ram and run out of a ram disk. The cpu time is rarely the bottle. 3 days to save something that I'm only using 3% of... It's just not worth the hassle, imho. Scott _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest

by Scott Venier

Scott Venier said: > Thank you thank you thank you. > > I'm so sick of the gentoo weenies claiming that. > OK. I'll apologize for this one up front. That was supposed to be off list. Bad squirrelmail. Now for some justification so I don't seem like a total jerk. I've just read reports of using 3 days of CPU time to intall a gentoo system. My wimpy k6 system has over 98% idle cpu cycles - that's running i386 compiled debian code and a not totally trivial workload, it's a firewall, mail/web/dns server, and has a fair number of interactive users (15 as I write this, but it's still early in the day). My computer spends almost all of its time waiting for me. Any time that it doesn't spend waiting for me is spent waiting for I/O devices like disks and the network. If you want your computer to be faster, get yourself gobs of ram and run out of a ram disk. The cpu time is rarely the bottle. 3 days to save something that I'm only using 3% of... It's just not worth the hassle, imho. Scott

March 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest

by Scott Venier

Charles R. Anderson said: > On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 07:03:49PM -0500, Ryan Caron wrote: >> Gentoo since its so customizable, and the fact that everything is >> compiled >> from the source code speeds up the computer a fair amount. > > Placebo affect most likely. > Thank you thank you thank you. I'm so sick of the gentoo weenies claiming that. Scott

March 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] DistCC

by Mike Frysinger

On Thursday 04 March 2004 09:12 am, Martin, Eric wrote: > 3) Are you just doing x86 or do we want to try cross compiling, or have a > few networks? I have a few x86s, a sparc64 and a ppcG3 all running gentoo. > I'm trying to get cross compiling working, but like I said, I can't see if > stuff is going or not. `emerge crossdev` `crossdev --arch=ppc -u` if there's any bugs, send em to bugzilla so i can make sure kumba fixes em :) -mike

March 4, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest

by Martin, Eric

Very little, I couldn't get it to work right... -----Original Message----- From: Pete Wason [mailto:rogue@hynoom.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:15 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Wednesday 03 March 2004 07:03 pm, Ryan Caron wrote: > >>Concerning your server, I would move to another distro. I personally >>use Gentoo, but for your applications you may want to go with Debian. >>I like Gentoo since its so customizable, and the fact that everything >>is compiled from the source code speeds up the computer a fair amount. > > > or perhaps move to fedora as that'll be the most redhat like (assuming > thats > what you want :]) Does anyone have any exp with YD? I always liked the *look* of their stuff ;-) Pete _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 4, 2004

RE: [Wlug] DistCC

by Martin, Eric

1) I would like to, but I'm having problems getting distcc to work (I think). When I configure my clients, they will keep showing lines that *distcc can't find host 192.168.0.10*, but when that client is up, I don't get anything. I'm running gentoo on all my linux boxes, and I followed the distcc guide. 2) I can't get the monitor to see anything...any help? 3) Are you just doing x86 or do we want to try cross compiling, or have a few networks? I have a few x86s, a sparc64 and a ppcG3 all running gentoo. I'm trying to get cross compiling working, but like I said, I can't see if stuff is going or not. 4) I'm up for it. Share and Share alike -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Caron [mailto:rcaron@WPI.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 7:28 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] DistCC It appears that at least a couple people here are using Gentoo. I am working on building a DistCC (Distributed C Compiling) network so that our "emerge -u world" and Stage 1 installations go by that much quicker. It has substantially improved my installation time - my first Stage 1 install, which did not use Distcc took nearly 3 days (some downtime was incurred since I had to sleep and go to class). With only 2 Pentium 4's and 1 Pentium 3, I was able to cut that time down to about 24 hours - the installation was on my 1.6Ghz Celeron, so you know that most of the compiling capabilities wasn't done on that! If you would like to use the Distcc network I'm putting together to get your Gentoo box running or to make emerge -u world that much quicker, all I ask is that you please run the Distcc server on your machine as well. The list of servers, scheduled emerge -u world times, and a script I wrote to automatically do emerge -u world is available at: http://www.acm.wpi.edu/~rcaron/Gentoo.shtml Gentoo's HOW-TO on configuring DistCC is at: http://www.Gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml Please email me if you have any questions or would like to contribute to the network. Sincerely, Ryan Caron ACM Secretary _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 4, 2004

Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 5, Issue 2

by sageman＠WPI.EDU

That's great. It's especially funny because that image is lying on an MSNBC website. > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Can you spot the (one) syntax error? (Keith Wright) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 00:09:34 -0500 > From: Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> > Subject: [Wlug] Can you spot the (one) syntax error? > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <200403020509.i2259Y1p002376(a)fcs10.free-comp-shop.com> > > > Here's a funny cartoon about how Microsoft has > syntax errors in their Pascal code (or something): > http://www.msnbc.com/comics/daily.asp?sFile=ft040301 > > -- Keith > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 5, Issue 2 > ********************************** > > >

March 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest

by Pete Wason

Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Wednesday 03 March 2004 07:03 pm, Ryan Caron wrote: > >>Concerning your server, I would move to another distro. I personally use >>Gentoo, but for your applications you may want to go with Debian. I like >>Gentoo since its so customizable, and the fact that everything is compiled >>from the source code speeds up the computer a fair amount. > > > or perhaps move to fedora as that'll be the most redhat like (assuming thats > what you want :]) Does anyone have any exp with YD? I always liked the *look* of their stuff ;-) Pete

March 4, 2004

DistCC

by Ryan Caron

It appears that at least a couple people here are using Gentoo. I am working on building a DistCC (Distributed C Compiling) network so that our "emerge -u world" and Stage 1 installations go by that much quicker. It has substantially improved my installation time - my first Stage 1 install, which did not use Distcc took nearly 3 days (some downtime was incurred since I had to sleep and go to class). With only 2 Pentium 4's and 1 Pentium 3, I was able to cut that time down to about 24 hours - the installation was on my 1.6Ghz Celeron, so you know that most of the compiling capabilities wasn't done on that! If you would like to use the Distcc network I'm putting together to get your Gentoo box running or to make emerge -u world that much quicker, all I ask is that you please run the Distcc server on your machine as well. The list of servers, scheduled emerge -u world times, and a script I wrote to automatically do emerge -u world is available at: http://www.acm.wpi.edu/~rcaron/Gentoo.shtml Gentoo's HOW-TO on configuring DistCC is at: http://www.Gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml Please email me if you have any questions or would like to contribute to the network. Sincerely, Ryan Caron ACM Secretary

March 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest

by Charles R. Anderson

On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 11:27:37AM -0500, Pete Wason wrote: > I'm running RH8.0 on my server. > a. I'm not sure if I should continue to use RH as support has expired, and > I can't affort their enterprise version. There are a couple alternatives here: http://fedora.redhat.com/ (Fedora Core is replacing Red Hat Linux) http://www.fedoralegacy.org/ (supporting EOL Red Hat/Fedora Core distros) http://www.whiteboxlinux.org/ (rebuilt from Red Hat Enterprise Linux) > 1. Is it normal that my http port should be getting hit hundreds of times a > day with intrusion attacks aimed at an NT server? Strange days indeed... Yes. Make sure you apache is kept up to date with security patches. > 2. I also am constantly bombarded with hundreds of virus-infected spam > messages; right now I'm using a mailserver in NJ -- when I get mine set up, > I'll switch. Yup. > 3. I find it strange and somewhat disturbing that if I have my laptop > booted to the logon screen, I can connect to its shares via samba - without > a password! Is this normal (read: goofy) windows security? If the shares are set for guest access, yes. Or, if you have not set an administrator password. Or if your username/password on the client is the same as the username/password on the server, Windows will use the cached credentials.

March 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest

by Charles R. Anderson

On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 07:03:49PM -0500, Ryan Caron wrote: > Gentoo since its so customizable, and the fact that everything is compiled > from the source code speeds up the computer a fair amount. Placebo affect most likely.

March 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest

by Mike Frysinger

On Wednesday 03 March 2004 07:03 pm, Ryan Caron wrote: > Concerning your server, I would move to another distro. I personally use > Gentoo, but for your applications you may want to go with Debian. I like > Gentoo since its so customizable, and the fact that everything is compiled > from the source code speeds up the computer a fair amount. or perhaps move to fedora as that'll be the most redhat like (assuming thats what you want :]) -mike

March 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest

by Ryan Caron

Thanks for offering to loan your copy of PQMagic for the Installfest. I think we'll give the Open Source options a run through before the event; if they cause problems we'll revert to PQMagic. Concerning your server, I would move to another distro. I personally use Gentoo, but for your applications you may want to go with Debian. I like Gentoo since its so customizable, and the fact that everything is compiled from the source code speeds up the computer a fair amount. For Apache file permissions, directories should be 755 and files should be 644 as I understand it. I've always had a hard time with Samba and file permissions, so I would leave that to someone else. Apache and Samba config files can be very unique to what you are trying to accomplish with both - the only thing I can really suggest is to copy the config files onto a disk before your wipe out so you don't have to start from scratch! Sincerely, Ryan Caron ACM Secretary Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 11:27:37 -0500 From: Pete Wason <rogue(a)hynoom.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <40460779.7090306(a)hynoom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Martin, Eric wrote: > What are you looking for as far as help? > I'm running RH8.0 on my server. a. I'm not sure if I should continue to use RH as support has expired, and I can't affort their enterprise version. b. I'm not sure of/satisfied with my Apache configuration c. I'm not sure of/satisfied with my Samba configuration d. I'm not sure of/satisfied with general file permissions as they relate to (b and c) e. I want to install tcpserver and qmail, and disable sendmail (which I'm not using anyway) Network: CAT-5 ethernet Server: Dell 600SC/RH8.0 (http, samba, sshd, etc.) Router: LinkSys BEFSR81, on a cablemodem... Wkstns: Pegasos I/Morphos 1.4 (samba server also, I think) Clone PC/Win2000 Pro (windows shares, printer) Amiga 3000D/AmigaOS3.1 (printer, accesses shares via smbfs) Amiga 3000D/AmigaOS3.1 (smbfs) Sony Vaio laptop/WinXP Home (windows shares) Questions, Comments: 1. Is it normal that my http port should be getting hit hundreds of times a day with intrusion attacks aimed at an NT server? Strange days indeed... 2. I also am constantly bombarded with hundreds of virus-infected spam messages; right now I'm using a mailserver in NJ -- when I get mine set up, I'll switch. 3. I find it strange and somewhat disturbing that if I have my laptop booted to the logon screen, I can connect to its shares via samba - without a password! Is this normal (read: goofy) windows security? 4. If I didn't have to spend all my time looking for a job, doing part-time work on the side, and acting as non-paid VP of an ill-fated (so far) software startup, I could just hunker down and learn all this stuff myself. Right now, that's not an option. Pete

March 4, 2004

Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3

by Ryan Caron

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Surge Protectors (Not Linux Specific...) (Chuck Noyes) > 2. Repartitioning for Installfest (Ryan Caron) > 3. Re: Repartitioning for Installfest (Mike Frysinger) > 4. Re: Repartitioning for Installfest (frank p) > 5. Re: Repartitioning for Installfest (Pete Wason) > 6. RE: Repartitioning for Installfest (Martin, Eric) > 7. Re: Repartitioning for Installfest (Pete Wason) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 11:26:15 -0500 > From: Chuck Noyes <cc.noyes(a)verizon.net> > Subject: [Wlug] Surge Protectors (Not Linux Specific...) > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <opr38s91awvt4kk9(a)outgoing.verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi all, > > This is not Linux specific, but there must some EE types that can answer > my question. What's the REAL meaning of the Juole rating on > surge protectors? Is 3000 joules "better" than 2000 joules? > Is there a "minimum" joule rating that is considered > good enough for most common environments? > > Thanks for your help, > > -Chuck > >

March 3, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest

by gboyce＠badbelly.com

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Pete Wason wrote: > Martin, Eric wrote: > > What are you looking for as far as help? > > > > I'm running RH8.0 on my server. > > a. I'm not sure if I should continue to use RH as support has expired, and I > can't affort their enterprise version. If you're looking to stick with Redhat (or something very similiar), you might want to look at Whitebox linux. (http://www.whiteboxlinux.org) In order to follow the GPL, Redhat provides source RPMs for all of the packages that they distribute with Redhat enterprise. Whitebox is Redhat enterprise rebuilt from those source RPMs. If you don't care if it's close to redhat or not, then you have a number of choices ahead of you. Debian is nice for a server assuming you don't want the latest and greatest. Gentoo is good if you want the latest and greatest, but don't care as much about stability and you want to get really in depth knowledge on how your system works. Mandrake and SuSE are both good choices if you're looking for systems back by companies complete with paid support when necessary.

March 3, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Setting up postfix and mailman

by Mike Frysinger

On Wednesday 03 March 2004 05:37 pm, Charles A. Haines wrote: > Yes, I followed that guide as well as any information I could find on > the gentoo boards. just double checking to make sure you were aware of the guide :) i wrote the qmail guide sine i dont like postfix so i cant help, sorry :/ -mike

March 3, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Setting up postfix and mailman

by Charles A. Haines

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yes, I followed that guide as well as any information I could find on the gentoo boards. Chuck ===================================== Chuck Haines chaines(a)wpi.edu http://www.maxslack.com http://www.3gpub.com ===================================== Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI ECE Systems Administrator WPI Game Development Club Developer WPI Linux Association Lab Manager ===================================== AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ===================================== - -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Mike Frysinger Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 5:34 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Setting up postfix and mailman On Wednesday 03 March 2004 03:43 pm, Charles A. Haines wrote: > I'm trying to set up postfix and mailman on a gentoo linux box. > I've followed the instructions for setting up postfix to use both when you say followed the instructions you mean this guide ? http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/virt-mail-howto.xml - -mike _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBQEZeDNFwM2LH0zrYEQJf6QCgwHg6wlnBy0X9UfPTpUHK9zRe70sAoJ3v Vlp0LUVR0ZuoojrbZQ07NlXb =q1ti -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

March 3, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Setting up postfix and mailman

by Matt Higgins

Not sure about postfix (I'm running sendmail) but when ever I edit /etc/mail/aliases I need to run newaliases which updats /etc/mail/aliases.db Quoting "Charles A. Haines" <chaines(a)WPI.EDU>: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I'm trying to set up postfix and mailman on a gentoo linux box. I've > followed the instructions for setting up postfix to use both > /etc/mail/aliases and /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases for alias maps. > I've configured mailman so it know it's using postfix for the MTA. > > I've created the mailman list and another list to test. However when > I try and send mail to the list, I get the following error: > > Mar 3 14:35:55 carnation postfix/local[6154]: C39852E25C: > to=<officers(a)tkezm.org>, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced > (unknown user: "officers") > > Now I know that receiving and sending mail works on this box because > I've tested it for local users. Any help would be much appreciated > since I'm at my wits end and I can't find anything else on the > subject. > > Thanks, > Chuck > > ===================================== > Chuck Haines > chaines(a)wpi.edu > http://www.maxslack.com > http://www.3gpub.com > ===================================== > Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity > WPI ECE Systems Administrator > WPI Game Development Club Developer > WPI Linux Association Lab Manager > ===================================== > AIM: CyberGrex > YIM: CyberGrex_27 > ICQ: 3707881 > ===================================== > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 8.0.3 > > iQA/AwUBQEZDVdFwM2LH0zrYEQIm1wCg91LSk02w4srq7/hk4tsrfGQ4qesAniAr > dDq/pXLDzP5Q0Mg7yzeWFkoT > =O8Ha > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

March 3, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Setting up postfix and mailman

by Mike Frysinger

On Wednesday 03 March 2004 03:43 pm, Charles A. Haines wrote: > I'm trying to set up postfix and mailman on a gentoo linux box. I've > followed the instructions for setting up postfix to use both when you say followed the instructions you mean this guide ? http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/virt-mail-howto.xml -mike

March 3, 2004

by Joel Desrochers

Pete, Consider ClarkConnect Home Edition V2.1. It is a RH based (V8 I think) server that inlcudes most of the functionallity you list. Very simple install. Easy modifications once running via a web browser. Updates are simple and free over the web from ClarkConnect. A few quick notes: 1) Clark includes the option of a multi-homed ethernet firewall also, which I never install. How can one box be both securing your network and a server for everything and the kitchen sink? It is best to keep the firewall separate. 2) They offer service packages also if support is needed. I have not tried this. 3) On any server, it is best to only install/run/configure the applications and services that are needed. http://www.clarkconnect.org/info/home.current.html Also contact me off list for either further questions on the above or discussing the possibility of networking/Linux help. Joel Desrochers >Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 11:27:37 -0500 >From: Pete Wason <rogue(a)hynoom.com> >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Message-ID: <40460779.7090306(a)hynoom.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >Martin, Eric wrote: > > What are you looking for as far as help? > > > >I'm running RH8.0 on my server. > >a. I'm not sure if I should continue to use RH as support has expired, and >I >can't affort their enterprise version. > >b. I'm not sure of/satisfied with my Apache configuration > >c. I'm not sure of/satisfied with my Samba configuration > >d. I'm not sure of/satisfied with general file permissions as they relate >to (b >and c) > >e. I want to install tcpserver and qmail, and disable sendmail (which I'm >not >using anyway) > >Network: CAT-5 ethernet > >Server: Dell 600SC/RH8.0 (http, samba, sshd, etc.) > >Router: LinkSys BEFSR81, on a cablemodem... > >Wkstns: Pegasos I/Morphos 1.4 (samba server also, I think) > Clone PC/Win2000 Pro (windows shares, printer) > Amiga 3000D/AmigaOS3.1 (printer, accesses shares via smbfs) > Amiga 3000D/AmigaOS3.1 (smbfs) > Sony Vaio laptop/WinXP Home (windows shares) > >Questions, Comments: > >1. Is it normal that my http port should be getting hit hundreds of times a >day >with intrusion attacks aimed at an NT server? Strange days indeed... > >2. I also am constantly bombarded with hundreds of virus-infected spam >messages; right now I'm using a mailserver in NJ -- when I get mine set up, >I'll switch. > >3. I find it strange and somewhat disturbing that if I have my laptop >booted to >the logon screen, I can connect to its shares via samba - without a >password! >Is this normal (read: goofy) windows security? > >4. If I didn't have to spend all my time looking for a job, doing part-time >work on the side, and acting as non-paid VP of an ill-fated (so far) >software >startup, I could just hunker down and learn all this stuff myself. Right >now, >that's not an option. > >Pete _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet access for as low as $29.95/month. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/

March 3, 2004

Setting up postfix and mailman

by Charles A. Haines

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm trying to set up postfix and mailman on a gentoo linux box. I've followed the instructions for setting up postfix to use both /etc/mail/aliases and /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases for alias maps. I've configured mailman so it know it's using postfix for the MTA. I've created the mailman list and another list to test. However when I try and send mail to the list, I get the following error: Mar 3 14:35:55 carnation postfix/local[6154]: C39852E25C: to=<officers(a)tkezm.org>, relay=local, delay=0, status=bounced (unknown user: "officers") Now I know that receiving and sending mail works on this box because I've tested it for local users. Any help would be much appreciated since I'm at my wits end and I can't find anything else on the subject. Thanks, Chuck ===================================== Chuck Haines chaines(a)wpi.edu http://www.maxslack.com http://www.3gpub.com ===================================== Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI ECE Systems Administrator WPI Game Development Club Developer WPI Linux Association Lab Manager ===================================== AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ===================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBQEZDVdFwM2LH0zrYEQIm1wCg91LSk02w4srq7/hk4tsrfGQ4qesAniAr dDq/pXLDzP5Q0Mg7yzeWFkoT =O8Ha -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

March 3, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest

by Martin, Eric

As far as distros go, I use gentoo (www.gentoo.org) I switched when redhat8.0 wouldn't load on a server of mine. The forums on their website are amazing, and I haven't even had a problem that somebody couldn't fix. My suggestion is gentoo. I'm still a bit of a novice myself when it comes to Apache and Samba, so I'm prob not the guy for the job. If you had a bit of time maybe, but I'm still learning. What ver of windows are your running on your laptop? And just so you know, default installs of windows are horribly insecure. There's prob an account with a blank password somewhere, or you could be running 9x and they didn't even care about security then. Yeah, your http port will prob be getting hit daily with people trying to pull funny stuff, worms trying to hurt you, etc.. Sorry I can't be of anymore help...a decent samba referece is on O'Reilly's openbooks site, www.oreilly.com/opnebook; Using Samba, 2ed. Eric -----Original Message----- From: Pete Wason [mailto:rogue@hynoom.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 11:28 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest Martin, Eric wrote: > What are you looking for as far as help? > I'm running RH8.0 on my server. a. I'm not sure if I should continue to use RH as support has expired, and I can't affort their enterprise version. b. I'm not sure of/satisfied with my Apache configuration c. I'm not sure of/satisfied with my Samba configuration d. I'm not sure of/satisfied with general file permissions as they relate to (b and c) e. I want to install tcpserver and qmail, and disable sendmail (which I'm not using anyway) Network: CAT-5 ethernet Server: Dell 600SC/RH8.0 (http, samba, sshd, etc.) Router: LinkSys BEFSR81, on a cablemodem... Wkstns: Pegasos I/Morphos 1.4 (samba server also, I think) Clone PC/Win2000 Pro (windows shares, printer) Amiga 3000D/AmigaOS3.1 (printer, accesses shares via smbfs) Amiga 3000D/AmigaOS3.1 (smbfs) Sony Vaio laptop/WinXP Home (windows shares) Questions, Comments: 1. Is it normal that my http port should be getting hit hundreds of times a day with intrusion attacks aimed at an NT server? Strange days indeed... 2. I also am constantly bombarded with hundreds of virus-infected spam messages; right now I'm using a mailserver in NJ -- when I get mine set up, I'll switch. 3. I find it strange and somewhat disturbing that if I have my laptop booted to the logon screen, I can connect to its shares via samba - without a password! Is this normal (read: goofy) windows security? 4. If I didn't have to spend all my time looking for a job, doing part-time work on the side, and acting as non-paid VP of an ill-fated (so far) software startup, I could just hunker down and learn all this stuff myself. Right now, that's not an option. Pete _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 3, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest

by Pete Wason

Martin, Eric wrote: > What are you looking for as far as help? > I'm running RH8.0 on my server. a. I'm not sure if I should continue to use RH as support has expired, and I can't affort their enterprise version. b. I'm not sure of/satisfied with my Apache configuration c. I'm not sure of/satisfied with my Samba configuration d. I'm not sure of/satisfied with general file permissions as they relate to (b and c) e. I want to install tcpserver and qmail, and disable sendmail (which I'm not using anyway) Network: CAT-5 ethernet Server: Dell 600SC/RH8.0 (http, samba, sshd, etc.) Router: LinkSys BEFSR81, on a cablemodem... Wkstns: Pegasos I/Morphos 1.4 (samba server also, I think) Clone PC/Win2000 Pro (windows shares, printer) Amiga 3000D/AmigaOS3.1 (printer, accesses shares via smbfs) Amiga 3000D/AmigaOS3.1 (smbfs) Sony Vaio laptop/WinXP Home (windows shares) Questions, Comments: 1. Is it normal that my http port should be getting hit hundreds of times a day with intrusion attacks aimed at an NT server? Strange days indeed... 2. I also am constantly bombarded with hundreds of virus-infected spam messages; right now I'm using a mailserver in NJ -- when I get mine set up, I'll switch. 3. I find it strange and somewhat disturbing that if I have my laptop booted to the logon screen, I can connect to its shares via samba - without a password! Is this normal (read: goofy) windows security? 4. If I didn't have to spend all my time looking for a job, doing part-time work on the side, and acting as non-paid VP of an ill-fated (so far) software startup, I could just hunker down and learn all this stuff myself. Right now, that's not an option. Pete

March 3, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest

by Martin, Eric

What are you looking for as far as help? -----Original Message----- From: Pete Wason [mailto:rogue@hynoom.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:49 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest Ryan Caron wrote: > As I mentioned in an earlier email, the Worcester Area Association for > Computing Machinery will be having a Linux Installfest on March 27th. > We are working under the assumption that many of the people that will > attend will want to keep their Windows installations as well. > Therefore, we need a nondestructive repartitioning software package. > It would also be nice if we could make an image of their hard drive > before we do anything so we can ensure the integrity of the data if > something were to go wrong. > > Unfortunately, the IT departments does not have copies of Partition > Magic or Ghost that we could use for the event. Does anybody have an > appropriately licensed copy of the software that we could use , or > know of Open Source / Freeware alternatives that are as reliable as > their commercial counterparts? Does someone's place of work have such > software that they would be willing for the ACM to use for the event? > Is anybody aware of Open Source / Freeware alternatives that are just > as reliable as these software packages (these systems will probably be > using NTFS, which is much more fickle than FAT32 when it comes to > these things) > > Any assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated, and the > ACM welcomes the WLUG to the Installfest on the 27th. > I own a copy of PartitionMagic 7.0 - not the latest, but I use it for client work and for my own machine from time to time. It seems to work fine on NTFS. I'm willing to loan a copy of it for the Installfest - let me know the details. On a related note, I'm still looking for some linuxy/networky help here at my place. I can't pay much, if anything, but maybe we could work out a deal. Latex, Pete Wason _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 3, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest

by Pete Wason

Ryan Caron wrote: > As I mentioned in an earlier email, the Worcester Area Association for > Computing Machinery will be having a Linux Installfest on March 27th. We > are working under the assumption that many of the people that will attend > will want to keep their Windows installations as well. Therefore, we need > a nondestructive repartitioning software package. It would also be nice > if we could make an image of their hard drive before we do anything so we > can ensure the integrity of the data if something were to go wrong. > > Unfortunately, the IT departments does not have copies of Partition Magic > or Ghost that we could use for the event. Does anybody have an > appropriately licensed copy of the software that we could use , or know of > Open Source / Freeware alternatives that are as reliable as their > commercial counterparts? Does someone's place of work have such software > that they would be willing for the ACM to use for the event? Is anybody > aware of Open Source / Freeware alternatives that are just as reliable as > these software packages (these systems will probably be using NTFS, which > is much more fickle than FAT32 when it comes to these things) > > Any assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated, and the ACM > welcomes the WLUG to the Installfest on the 27th. > I own a copy of PartitionMagic 7.0 - not the latest, but I use it for client work and for my own machine from time to time. It seems to work fine on NTFS. I'm willing to loan a copy of it for the Installfest - let me know the details. On a related note, I'm still looking for some linuxy/networky help here at my place. I can't pay much, if anything, but maybe we could work out a deal. Latex, Pete Wason

March 3, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest

by frank p

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > qtparted and/or just parted ? SystemRescueCD (http://www.sysresccd.org/) is a live-cd that has both those utilities included. I've personally used it to resize an ntfs partition on my winXP laptop, and that seemed to work well (had to disable system-restore and then defrag first, of course). The tools page: http://www.sysresccd.org/systools.en.php also claims to include a Ghost clone, called 'partimage', though I've not personally used it. The latest beta version of the 'ntfsresize' tool is also claiming to now be able to move files on an ntfs partition, but AFAIK it's not included in any nice graphical utils or live-cd's... yet. -frank p

March 3, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 02 March 2004 08:38 pm, Ryan Caron wrote: > Unfortunately, the IT departments does not have copies of Partition Magic > or Ghost that we could use for the event. Does anybody have an > appropriately licensed copy of the software that we could use , or know of > Open Source / Freeware alternatives that are as reliable as their > commercial counterparts? qtparted and/or just parted ? -mike

March 3, 2004

Repartitioning for Installfest

by Ryan Caron

As I mentioned in an earlier email, the Worcester Area Association for Computing Machinery will be having a Linux Installfest on March 27th. We are working under the assumption that many of the people that will attend will want to keep their Windows installations as well. Therefore, we need a nondestructive repartitioning software package. It would also be nice if we could make an image of their hard drive before we do anything so we can ensure the integrity of the data if something were to go wrong. Unfortunately, the IT departments does not have copies of Partition Magic or Ghost that we could use for the event. Does anybody have an appropriately licensed copy of the software that we could use , or know of Open Source / Freeware alternatives that are as reliable as their commercial counterparts? Does someone's place of work have such software that they would be willing for the ACM to use for the event? Is anybody aware of Open Source / Freeware alternatives that are just as reliable as these software packages (these systems will probably be using NTFS, which is much more fickle than FAT32 when it comes to these things) Any assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated, and the ACM welcomes the WLUG to the Installfest on the 27th. Sincerely, Ryan Caron ACM Secretary

March 3, 2004

Surge Protectors (Not Linux Specific...)

by Chuck Noyes

Hi all, This is not Linux specific, but there must some EE types that can answer my question. What's the REAL meaning of the Juole rating on surge protectors? Is 3000 joules "better" than 2000 joules? Is there a "minimum" joule rating that is considered good enough for most common environments? Thanks for your help, -Chuck -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/

March 2, 2004

Can you spot the (one) syntax error?

by Keith Wright

Here's a funny cartoon about how Microsoft has syntax errors in their Pascal code (or something): http://www.msnbc.com/comics/daily.asp?sFile=ft040301 -- Keith

March 2, 2004

FYI: Linux Training Seminar

by Al Reinhart

The Greater Boston Network Users Group presents AN INTRODUCTION TO LINUX an intensive learning experience for network professionals The Greater Boston Network Users Group presents another of its popular full-day "bootcamp" intensive training seminars. This time the topic is an introduction to Linux for network professionals. This program will be taught by experienced instructors and provide you with a strong basic understanding of the Linux operating system. As part of the program, you will be given your own CD-ROM containing a fully functional Linux operating system which you can take home and install on your own personal computer. Saturday, March 20, 2004 8:30AM to 4:30PM Continental breakfast, lunch and afternoon snack included. Carlson Auditorium Mount Ida College 777 Dedham Street Newton, Massachusetts Directions can be found here: http://www.mountida.edu/sp.cfm?pageid=373 The program will consist of four sessions, each taught by experts in their fields: Session 1 Introduction to Linux and considerations in selecting a Linux distribution. Session 2 Basic Linux Commands, common directories and file structures. Session 3 Advanced Applications including networking and desktop applications. Session 4 System Administration: user accounts, privileges, and security considerations. The full cost of the seminar, including all instructional materials and Linux CD-ROM is $100 in advance or $115 at the door. Advance reservations must be received no later than Friday, March 13. No refunds for cancellations received after that date. To register conveniently on line using your credit card through PayPal, go to the BNUG web page: http://www.bnug.org/linux.htm Or print out the registration form below and mail it with a check to: Boston Network Users Group 9 Ross Road - Dept. T Lexington, MA 02421 This is an educational seminar and NOT a vendor presentation. BNUG intensive training seminars have been called the biggest training bargain in New England. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Mail-in Registration Form AN INTRODUCTION TO LINUX Carlson Auditorium Mount Ida College 777 Dedham Street Newton, Massachusetts Saturday, March 20, 2004 Yes! I would like to attend the Greater Boston Network Users Group seminar "Introduction to Linux" which will be held on the campus of Mount Ida College in Newton on March 20, 2004. The full cost of this seminar, including all instructional materials and Linux CD-ROM is $100 payable in advance. I understand that advance reservations must be received no later than Friday, March 13 and that there will be no refunds for cancellations received after that date. (Those without advance registration will be charged $115 at the door for admission to the seminar, subject to available space.) Space is limited! Mail this form with your check today! ___________________________________________________ Your Name ___________________________________________________ Your Mailing Address ___________________________________________________ City State Zip ___________________________________________________ Work Phone Home Phone ___________________________________________________ Email address Company affiliation Are you a member of BNUG? [ ] YES [ ] NO To register by mail print out this form and mail it with a check for $100 to: Introduction to Linux Boston Network Users Group 9 Ross Road - Dept. T Lexington, MA 02421 (DO NOT MAIL THIS FORM TO MOUNT IDA COLLEGE!) Note: This educational seminar is designed to help computer networking professionals and others in related fields maintain and enhance their technical skills. The cost of this seminar may be reimbursable by your company or deductible for tax purposes. Check with your employer or tax advisor. Greater Boston Network Users Group 2004. All rights reserved.

Feb. 29, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Jenny

by Frank Sweetser

On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 09:31:01PM -0500, Bob George wrote: > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > > [...] > > WPI's mail system filters out virii. > > Clam found bagle in the attachments, as did f-prot. This virus is sufficiently new that the campus mail filter didn't have the appropriate signature. I've contacted one of the people who administers it, and he's updated the signatures. No more of this virus should make it through any WPI campus mail. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer

Feb. 28, 2004

Re: Jenny

by Bob George

Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > [...] > WPI's mail system filters out virii. Clam found bagle in the attachments, as did f-prot. - Bob

Feb. 28, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Jenny

by Charles R. Anderson

On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 07:50:26PM -0500, Bob George wrote: > frank p <fspoz3(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > > Uh oh. Looks like someone (24.78.137.10) has the Bagle.c > > virus... > > Hmm... even more interesting that bitdefender (BDC/Linux-Console v7.0 (build > 2492) under debian), updated a few minutes ago, doesn't seem to detect it. > Fortunately, ClamAV (clamdscan / ClamAV version 0.60+BugFixesFromCVS-20030916) > does after forcing an update. I think I'll update my clamav update cycle "just > a bit." WPI's mail system filters out virii.

Feb. 28, 2004

Jenny

by cra＠WPI.EDU

Feb. 28, 2004

You really love me? he he

by cra＠WPI.EDU

Feb. 28, 2004

Re: Jenny

by Bob George

frank p <fspoz3(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > Uh oh. Looks like someone (24.78.137.10) has the Bagle.c > virus... Hmm... even more interesting that bitdefender (BDC/Linux-Console v7.0 (build 2492) under debian), updated a few minutes ago, doesn't seem to detect it. Fortunately, ClamAV (clamdscan / ClamAV version 0.60+BugFixesFromCVS-20030916) does after forcing an update. I think I'll update my clamav update cycle "just a bit." - Bob (Testing linux-based AV under procmail)

Feb. 28, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Jenny

by frank p

Uh oh. Looks like someone (24.78.137.10) has the Bagle.c virus... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Return-Path: <cyrus@mail1> Received: from mail1 ([unix socket]) by mail1 (Cyrus v2.1.15) with LMTP; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:02:28 -0500 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Return-Path: <wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org> Received: from mcafee.wpi.edu (mcafee.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.86]) by mail1.WPI.EDU (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id i1RN2SN0008669; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:02:28 -0500 Received: from smtp.WPI.EDU(130.215.36.186) by mcafee.wpi.edu via csmap id 8665; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:00:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from paramount.ind.WPI.EDU (paramount.ind.WPI.EDU [130.215.130.22]) by smtp.WPI.EDU (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i1RN2DkQ009310; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:02:17 -0500 Received: from paramount.ind.WPI.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by paramount.ind.WPI.EDU (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1RN7ReN017460; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:07:28 -0500 Received: from mail1.WPI.EDU (mail1.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.102]) by paramount.ind.WPI.EDU (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1RN7OeN017454 for <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:07:24 -0500 Received: from mcafee.wpi.edu (mcafee.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.86]) by mail1.WPI.EDU (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id i1RN26tU008313 for <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:02:06 -0500 Received: from smtp.WPI.EDU(130.215.36.186) by mcafee.wpi.edu via csmap id 8665; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mojo (h24-78-137-10.ss.shawcable.net [24.78.137.10]) by smtp.WPI.EDU (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id i1RN213S009269 for <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:02:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:11:59 -0800 To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org From: cra(a)WPI.EDU Message-ID: <fbaympsoepeuinmkuvc(a)WPI.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--------hgdtfwokiwdsmymogaqa" Subject: [Wlug] Jenny X-BeenThere: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> List-Id: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug.mail.wlug.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug>, <mailto:wlug-request@mail.wlug.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://paramount.ind.wpi.edu/pipermail/wlug> List-Post: <mailto:wlug@mail.wlug.org> List-Help: <mailto:wlug-request@mail.wlug.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug>, <mailto:wlug-request@mail.wlug.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org Errors-To: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org

Feb. 27, 2004

ACM Installfest

by Ryan Caron

The Worcester Area Student Chapter of the Association for Computing Machinery will be hosting an Installfest on March 27th from 6-9PM. It will be on WPI Campus in Higgins Lab 116. Veterans and newbies to Linux are welcome! If you are an experienced user, we will start setting up at 5PM, and you are welcome to show up then. We will be advertising heavily around campus, so hopefully we can attract some new users! We will be distributing and installing Mandrake, Debian, Knoppix, and Gentoo, although more distributions are certainly welcome. To recap: WHO: ACM WHAT: Installfest WHEN: 3/27/04 6-9PM WHERE: HL 116 Sincerely, Ryan Caron ACM Secretary

Feb. 23, 2004

Reminder: Upcoming WLUG meeting

by Andy Stewart

Hi everybody, This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting, to be held at 7:00 PM on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 at the usual place (the Access Grid room, WPI campus, Worcester, MA USA). Detailed directions can be found on the WLUG webpage. At this meeting, our featured speaker is J.D. "Illiad" Frazer, the author of the comic strip UserFriendly. You can read the comic strip at http:// www.userfriendly.org. There are more details, such as biographical information, and an explanation of the comic strip's characters, linked from the WLUG home page. This meeting will be broadcast onto the Access Grid. For those who don't know, the Access Grid can be considered to be video conferencing on steroids. Read more about it at this site: http://www.accessgrid.org. There are only a few such sites in all of New England, but there are almost 200 sites worldwide: Boston University Worcester Polytechnic Institute Dartmouth Univ. of Maine - Orono I am going to try to get to Softpro and see if I can pick up a couple of UserFriendly books for the raffle. As usual, light refreshments will be served. After the meeting, we'll adjourn to some local restaurant. I'm not sure, but I think the Boynton Restaurant is still undergoing major renovations and is thus closed. In that event, we can probably go to the mexican place (Tortilla Sams, I think its called). Get there early...there are only 25 seats... :-) See ya later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Feb. 23, 2004

another acronym

by doug waud

Hi all A friend sent me the following. Thought you guys might enjoy it. I was having trouble with my computer. So I called the computer guy, to come over. He clicked a couple of buttons and solved the problem and gave me a bill for a minimum service call. As he was walking away, I called after him, "So, what was wrong?" He replied, "It was an `ID ten T' error." I didn't want to appear stupid, but nonetheless inquired: "An, ID ten T error? What's that .... In case I need to fix it again?" "Write it down," he said, "and I think you'll figure it out." So I wrote out ...... I D 1 0 T

Feb. 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] another acronym

by Scott Venier

And, to put that joke into the context of our next meeting: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990211 doug waud said: > Hi all > > A friend sent me the following. Thought you guys might enjoy it. > > I was having trouble with my computer. So I called the computer guy, to > come over. He clicked a couple of > buttons and solved the problem and gave me a bill for a minimum service > call. As he was walking away, I called > after him, "So, what was wrong?" > > He replied, "It was an `ID ten T' error." > > I didn't want to appear stupid, but nonetheless inquired: "An, ID ten T > error? What's that .... In case I need to fix > it again?" > > "Write it down," he said, "and I think you'll figure it out." > So I wrote out ...... I D 1 0 T > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Feb. 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Something very cool...

by Mike Frysinger

On Saturday 14 February 2004 01:01 am, orbitz(a)ezabel.com wrote: > That is pretty cool! I have often thought of doing the same but for FTP, I > bet that wouldn't be too hard and I wouldn't be sirprised if it existed > allready. Thanks for the link. it does, it's called ftpfs.sf.net but it's deprecated in favor of lufs.sf.net, a much more general framework for developing random filesystems over random protocols -mike

Feb. 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Something very cool...

by Brett Russ

Keller, Tim wrote: >I just saw this on one of the other lists I'm on and I'm testing it out and >it seems to work. > >http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ > >It lets you mount a remote filesystem over an SSH link. ala > >mount -t shfs root@someserver /mnt/localmntpnt > Is this the same as, a component of, or different from LUFS? I checked out your link, followed the link to ftpfs, which said it was obsoleted by LUFS, so I wonder if the same holds true for shfs. Either way, these things ARE cool. Linux rules!

Feb. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Something very cool...

by orbitz＠ezabel.com

That is pretty cool! I have often thought of doing the same but for FTP, I bet that wouldn't be too hard and I wouldn't be sirprised if it existed allready. Thanks for the link. Malcolm On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:14:11 -0500 "Keller, Tim" <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> wrote: > http://shfs.sourceforge.net/

Feb. 14, 2004

Something very cool...

by Keller, Tim

I just saw this on one of the other lists I'm on and I'm testing it out and it seems to work. http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ It lets you mount a remote filesystem over an SSH link. ala mount -t shfs root@someserver /mnt/localmntpnt Very cool. Tim.

Feb. 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug]

by Chuck Homic

On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 11:08:45AM -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > > Any suggestions? > > Return it? Seriously, if you can't get a stock install of the claimed > compatible distributions to work, how long do you think the company > will continue to update the binary-only drivers for future kernel > releases/distributions? Ummm... that too. A binary-only driver has a wiked short shelf-life. Unless you talk driver source code out of them, or never upgrade your kernel (once you finally get it working), this will be a pain in your ass forever. -Chuck

Feb. 11, 2004

RE: [Wlug]

by Martin, Eric

1) do you have usb support in your kernel? 2) do a dmesg | tail and see if the kernel is catching the device being plugged in. -----Original Message----- From: Clint Moyer [mailto:cdmoyer@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:48 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Hi. I bought a Ximeta Netdisk (http://ximeta.com/products/netdisk.html) which is an external HDD with both USB and network connectivity. The company explicitly states that the device works with Red Hat 8 and 9, but I've had no luck with it. The drivers are available only as RPMs, no source provided. It's network attached, but it doesn't use a standard protocol. The RPM is supposed to install two modules, nd.o and lpx.o, but they don't show up with lsmod. When I try to load them with insmod or modprobe, I get a bunch of error messages about "unresolved symbols". I though it may have been a dependency problem, so I recompiled to load network block device (nbd.o), but that had no effect. I've tried both RH 8 and 9 fresh stock installs with the same results. Ximeta has stated that they will provide me a new driver, but I'm not holding my breath. Any suggestions? Thanks. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 11, 2004

Re: [Wlug]

by Chuck Homic

On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 10:47:47AM -0500, Clint Moyer wrote: > It's network attached, but it doesn't use a standard protocol. The RPM > is supposed to install two modules, nd.o and lpx.o, but they don't show > up with lsmod. When I try to load them with insmod or modprobe, I get a > bunch of error messages about "unresolved symbols". I though it may have > been a dependency problem, so I recompiled to load network block device > (nbd.o), but that had no effect. I'd attack this two ways. First, did you drop them into /lib/modules/whatever and run "depmod -a"? You'll need that to figure out the dependencies, so that modprobe can auto-load dependent modules. Second, if you have the kernel source, you can search for the names of the unresolved symbols and find out what drivers provide them. -Chuck

Feb. 11, 2004

Re: [Wlug]

by Charles R. Anderson

On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 10:47:47AM -0500, Clint Moyer wrote: > I've tried both RH 8 and 9 fresh stock installs with the same > results. Ximeta has stated that they will provide me a new driver, > but I'm not holding my breath. > > Any suggestions? Return it? Seriously, if you can't get a stock install of the claimed compatible distributions to work, how long do you think the company will continue to update the binary-only drivers for future kernel releases/distributions?

Feb. 11, 2004

by Clint Moyer

Hi. I bought a Ximeta Netdisk (http://ximeta.com/products/netdisk.html) which is an external HDD with both USB and network connectivity. The company explicitly states that the device works with Red Hat 8 and 9, but I've had no luck with it. The drivers are available only as RPMs, no source provided. It's network attached, but it doesn't use a standard protocol. The RPM is supposed to install two modules, nd.o and lpx.o, but they don't show up with lsmod. When I try to load them with insmod or modprobe, I get a bunch of error messages about "unresolved symbols". I though it may have been a dependency problem, so I recompiled to load network block device (nbd.o), but that had no effect. I've tried both RH 8 and 9 fresh stock installs with the same results. Ximeta has stated that they will provide me a new driver, but I'm not holding my breath. Any suggestions? Thanks.

Feb. 11, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 4, Issue 5

by Martin, Eric

Setiathome is a good distributed program http://www.setiathome.com as well as gimps (can't remember the url). Seti is the Search for ExtraTerrestrial Life(be verry verry quiet, I'm hunting for aliens, huhuhuh). And GIMPs is the Great Internet Marsene Prime search (so we can keep having better encryption and such). Eric Martin -----Original Message----- From: sageman(a)WPI.EDU [mailto:sageman@WPI.EDU] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 10:17 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 4, Issue 5 Hello, all. My name's Carlton and I figured this is probally the best place to post this note. My friends and I have recently got distcc working (a distributed compiler using gcc-3.3.2). We've currently got 7 (maybe 8?) computers running the distcc daemon right now. Basically, when any one of us compiles something the processess are distributed amongst the computers on the network running distcc. So, my question is, is anyone interested in joining our little group? I figure the more linboxes the merrier. We are also in the process of setting up a couple of G5's with cross compiling on distcc so any Mac guys out there are welcome to (but Linux/BSD guys are most welcome ^_^). Feel free to reply, sageman(a)wpi.edu, if you are interested. We are also looking at getting some other stuff distributed if at all possible but really haven't started looking anywhere yet. If anyone else some ideas of possible distributed software we can run, that information would also be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Oh, and yes, the distcc webpage is here: http://distcc.samba.org/. - Carlton C. Stedman II _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 11, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6

by Mike Frysinger

On Monday 09 February 2004 01:27 pm, Ryan Caron wrote: > I have two machines using Gentoo that also have distcc servers running on > them. I also have a couple other friends that also use gentoo and would > like to use a larger distcc network. Let's talk off the mailing list; I'm > not particularly fond of posting my IP addresses on a public mailing list and you can do cross compiling with distcc pretty easily in gentoo ... just `emerge crossdev` and you can easily build cross compiling toolkits for ppc/ppc64 ... some of the lesser arches have a few bugs (hppa/sh4 come to mind) but ppc works good -mike

Feb. 9, 2004

Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6

by Ryan Caron

I have two machines using Gentoo that also have distcc servers running on them. I also have a couple other friends that also use gentoo and would like to use a larger distcc network. Let's talk off the mailing list; I'm not particularly fond of posting my IP addresses on a public mailing list :-) Ryan Caron rcaron(a)wpi.edu On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 4, Issue 5 (sageman(a)WPI.EDU) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 10:16:51 -0500 (EST) > From: sageman(a)WPI.EDU > Subject: [Wlug] Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 4, Issue 5 > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: > <33919.130.215.226.137.1076339811.squirrel(a)webmail.WPI.EDU> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hello, all. My name's Carlton and I figured this is probally the best > place to post this note. My friends and I have recently got distcc working > (a distributed compiler using gcc-3.3.2). We've currently got 7 (maybe 8?) > computers running the distcc daemon right now. Basically, when any one of > us compiles something the processess are distributed amongst the computers > on the network running distcc. So, my question is, is anyone interested in > joining our little group? I figure the more linboxes the merrier. We are > also in the process of setting up a couple of G5's with cross compiling on > distcc so any Mac guys out there are welcome to (but Linux/BSD guys are > most welcome ^_^). Feel free to reply, sageman(a)wpi.edu, if you are > interested. We are also looking at getting some other stuff distributed if > at all possible but really haven't started looking anywhere yet. If anyone > else some ideas of possible distributed software we can run, that > information would also be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. > > Oh, and yes, the distcc webpage is here: http://distcc.samba.org/. > > - Carlton C. Stedman II > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 > ********************************** > > > --

Feb. 9, 2004

Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 4, Issue 5

by sageman＠WPI.EDU

Hello, all. My name's Carlton and I figured this is probally the best place to post this note. My friends and I have recently got distcc working (a distributed compiler using gcc-3.3.2). We've currently got 7 (maybe 8?) computers running the distcc daemon right now. Basically, when any one of us compiles something the processess are distributed amongst the computers on the network running distcc. So, my question is, is anyone interested in joining our little group? I figure the more linboxes the merrier. We are also in the process of setting up a couple of G5's with cross compiling on distcc so any Mac guys out there are welcome to (but Linux/BSD guys are most welcome ^_^). Feel free to reply, sageman(a)wpi.edu, if you are interested. We are also looking at getting some other stuff distributed if at all possible but really haven't started looking anywhere yet. If anyone else some ideas of possible distributed software we can run, that information would also be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Oh, and yes, the distcc webpage is here: http://distcc.samba.org/. - Carlton C. Stedman II

Feb. 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Suspicious header?

by Keith Wright

> From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> > > I *told* you not to put the word "viagra" in the subject line!!! > > Andy Well, why did the spam filter let this through? > From: Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> > > ... they had the whole place down to the bare studs. The "Bare Studs" may be good dancers, but I don't think their ads should be on the Linux list. -- Keith

Feb. 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Suspicious header?

by Andy Stewart

On Sunday 08 February 2004 12:56 pm, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Wow. > > I just had a WLUG reply put on hold status due to a suspicious > header. This is the first time this has happened to me. What's up? > > Thanks, > Bill > I *told* you not to put the word "viagra" in the subject line!!! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Feb. 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] how to setup wireless network for WPI campus

by Zhiwei Ren

Thanks a lot. These commands make sense. I will try this tomorrow when I get to school and Iwill let you know if it works. On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Steve Freitag wrote: > I am not a Mandrake user and I don't know anything about the WPI > wireless network. However, here are some commands I have used with the > Knoppix distro to connect to my home wireless network using a SSID and > WEP: > > iwconfig eth0 nick "MyLaptop" essid "MyLan" key 1234567890abcd rate auto > ifconfig eth0 up > pump -i eth0 > pump -i eth0 --status > ifconfig eth0 > > Note that the first iwconfig command sets a SSID to MyLan and the WEP > key to 1234567890abcd Also, your wireless card may not be on eth0. > > On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 13:43, Zhiwei Ren wrote: > > hi, thank you for the respond. > > My card is Netgear 802.11b PCMCIA MA401, it is supported by linux. > > Because I can use wireless under those > > wireless network which doesn't require SSID or WEP. So I think I should > > ask my question in this way: How and where to set the configuration for > > SSID and WEP in Mandrake linux? > > > > Ren > > On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Gregory Boyce wrote: > > > > > What model card? Some of their cards are supported, some are not. > > > > > > On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 10:01, Zhiwei Ren wrote: > > > > My linux distribution is Mandrake 9.1. Kernel verson is 2.4.21-0.13(uname > > > > -a gave me this info). The wireless card is from Netgear. > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > Ren > > > > > > > > On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Saturday 07 February 2004 08:03 pm, Zhiwei Ren wrote: > > > > > > I am trying to config my linux laptop so I can use wireless connection on > > > > > > campus. However, it is not easy. I modified some script file and added the > > > > > > SSID and WEP info into it. However, it still didn't work. Anyone have some > > > > > > idea or experience about this? > > > > > > > > > > it'd help if you outlined the distribution and tools you're using (really > > > > > distribution is the most important) > > > > > -mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Feb. 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] how to setup wireless network for WPI campus

by Steve Freitag

I am not a Mandrake user and I don't know anything about the WPI wireless network. However, here are some commands I have used with the Knoppix distro to connect to my home wireless network using a SSID and WEP: iwconfig eth0 nick "MyLaptop" essid "MyLan" key 1234567890abcd rate auto ifconfig eth0 up pump -i eth0 pump -i eth0 --status ifconfig eth0 Note that the first iwconfig command sets a SSID to MyLan and the WEP key to 1234567890abcd Also, your wireless card may not be on eth0. On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 13:43, Zhiwei Ren wrote: > hi, thank you for the respond. > My card is Netgear 802.11b PCMCIA MA401, it is supported by linux. > Because I can use wireless under those > wireless network which doesn't require SSID or WEP. So I think I should > ask my question in this way: How and where to set the configuration for > SSID and WEP in Mandrake linux? > > Ren > On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Gregory Boyce wrote: > > > What model card? Some of their cards are supported, some are not. > > > > On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 10:01, Zhiwei Ren wrote: > > > My linux distribution is Mandrake 9.1. Kernel verson is 2.4.21-0.13(uname > > > -a gave me this info). The wireless card is from Netgear. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > Ren > > > > > > On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > > > > > On Saturday 07 February 2004 08:03 pm, Zhiwei Ren wrote: > > > > > I am trying to config my linux laptop so I can use wireless connection on > > > > > campus. However, it is not easy. I modified some script file and added the > > > > > SSID and WEP info into it. However, it still didn't work. Anyone have some > > > > > idea or experience about this? > > > > > > > > it'd help if you outlined the distribution and tools you're using (really > > > > distribution is the most important) > > > > -mike > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Feb. 8, 2004

RE: [Wlug] What happened to the Boynton?

by Webmaster＠atari-users.net

I heard they are remodeling the Boynton. That's what I was told.. don't know for sure. Rob http://www.atari-users.net >-----Original Message----- >From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org]On >Behalf Of Adam Keck >Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 1:47 PM >To: Worcester Linux User's Group >Subject: [Wlug] What happened to the Boynton? > > >Hello All, > > Not quite Linux, but... As I drove by the our post meeting >watering >hole I notice the front is all boarded up?! Are they remodeling or did >someone crash into it? > > >-Adam > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] What happened to the Boynton?

by Frank Sweetser

On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 01:46:58PM -0500, Adam Keck wrote: > Hello All, > > Not quite Linux, but... As I drove by the our post meeting watering > hole I notice the front is all boarded up?! Are they remodeling or did > someone crash into it? They're busy remodelling. Last time I looked in there a few days ago, they had the whole place pretty much down to the bare studs. They're supposed to open up again sometime this month. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer

Feb. 8, 2004

What happened to the Boynton?

by Adam Keck

Hello All, Not quite Linux, but... As I drove by the our post meeting watering hole I notice the front is all boarded up?! Are they remodeling or did someone crash into it? -Adam

Feb. 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] how to setup wireless network for WPI campus

by Zhiwei Ren

hi, thank you for the respond. My card is Netgear 802.11b PCMCIA MA401, it is supported by linux. Because I can use wireless under those wireless network which doesn't require SSID or WEP. So I think I should ask my question in this way: How and where to set the configuration for SSID and WEP in Mandrake linux? Ren On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Gregory Boyce wrote: > What model card? Some of their cards are supported, some are not. > > On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 10:01, Zhiwei Ren wrote: > > My linux distribution is Mandrake 9.1. Kernel verson is 2.4.21-0.13(uname > > -a gave me this info). The wireless card is from Netgear. > > > > thanks > > > > Ren > > > > On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > > > On Saturday 07 February 2004 08:03 pm, Zhiwei Ren wrote: > > > > I am trying to config my linux laptop so I can use wireless connection on > > > > campus. However, it is not easy. I modified some script file and added the > > > > SSID and WEP info into it. However, it still didn't work. Anyone have some > > > > idea or experience about this? > > > > > > it'd help if you outlined the distribution and tools you're using (really > > > distribution is the most important) > > > -mike > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Feb. 8, 2004

Suspicious header?

by Bill Mills-Curran

Wow. I just had a WLUG reply put on hold status due to a suspicious header. This is the first time this has happened to me. What's up? Thanks, Bill

Feb. 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Building your own up2date server...

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 11:03:38AM -0400, Keller, Tim wrote: > I know that at one of the meetings, it was mentioned that WPI has their own > up2date server. > > Could one of the WPI techs give a quick explanation on how they did this? > As the number of linux boxes I manage grows, this is something I'd like to > deploy into my infrastructure. > > Thanks, > Tim. Tim, I've been using yum and work and home -- it's a very nice solution, and very easy to configure. Bill

Feb. 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] how to setup wireless network for WPI campus

by Gregory Boyce

What model card? Some of their cards are supported, some are not. On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 10:01, Zhiwei Ren wrote: > My linux distribution is Mandrake 9.1. Kernel verson is 2.4.21-0.13(uname > -a gave me this info). The wireless card is from Netgear. > > thanks > > Ren > > On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > > On Saturday 07 February 2004 08:03 pm, Zhiwei Ren wrote: > > > I am trying to config my linux laptop so I can use wireless connection on > > > campus. However, it is not easy. I modified some script file and added the > > > SSID and WEP info into it. However, it still didn't work. Anyone have some > > > idea or experience about this? > > > > it'd help if you outlined the distribution and tools you're using (really > > distribution is the most important) > > -mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] how to setup wireless network for WPI campus

by Zhiwei Ren

My linux distribution is Mandrake 9.1. Kernel verson is 2.4.21-0.13(uname -a gave me this info). The wireless card is from Netgear. thanks Ren On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Saturday 07 February 2004 08:03 pm, Zhiwei Ren wrote: > > I am trying to config my linux laptop so I can use wireless connection on > > campus. However, it is not easy. I modified some script file and added the > > SSID and WEP info into it. However, it still didn't work. Anyone have some > > idea or experience about this? > > it'd help if you outlined the distribution and tools you're using (really > distribution is the most important) > -mike >

Feb. 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] how to setup wireless network for WPI campus

by Mike Frysinger

On Saturday 07 February 2004 08:03 pm, Zhiwei Ren wrote: > I am trying to config my linux laptop so I can use wireless connection on > campus. However, it is not easy. I modified some script file and added the > SSID and WEP info into it. However, it still didn't work. Anyone have some > idea or experience about this? it'd help if you outlined the distribution and tools you're using (really distribution is the most important) -mike

Feb. 8, 2004

how to setup wireless network for WPI campus

by Zhiwei Ren

hi, everyone. I am trying to config my linux laptop so I can use wireless connection on campus. However, it is not easy. I modified some script file and added the SSID and WEP info into it. However, it still didn't work. Anyone have some idea or experience about this? thanks

Feb. 8, 2004

RE: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy

by Martin, Eric

My suggestion is use a gentoo live cd (go with x86 no stages). Just mount your hdx to /mnt/... -----Original Message----- From: Norm Legare [mailto:normlegare@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:57 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy Hi All, My desktop has 2 hard drives, one with Windows, one with Linux. By inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy be made while preserving the existing Linux installation? Thanks, Norm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 4, 2004

Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 4, Issue 1

by Arturo Sedo

There is also another option. If you have another computer you can burn a copy of knopix. Once you create the cd, you insert it into the CDROM drive, boot from CDROM to a nice KDE GUI and all partitions are automatically mounted. Click on the partition that has the needed info and you are good to go. It may sound complicated but Knopix has a really fine User Interface. (If you don't have a CDROM you can do the same thing with Tomsrbtb from a floppy) Then when you want to create a boot disk you can open a command window, mount the root partition and then do "chroot /mnt/rootPartition". From there you can run lilo or mkbootdisk. Good luck. Arturo On Mon, 2004-02-02 at 12:00, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RedHat 7.1 boot floppy (Norm Legare) > 2. Re: RedHat 7.1 boot floppy (James Baldassari) > 3. RE: RedHat 7.1 boot floppy (Moti Abramovich) > 4. RE: RedHat 7.1 boot floppy (Adam Keck) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 12:56:51 -0800 (PST) > From: Norm Legare <normlegare(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <20040201205651.14333.qmail(a)web13425.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi All, > > My desktop has 2 hard drives, one with Windows, one with Linux. By > inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just > stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk > failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the > Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy > be made while preserving the existing Linux installation? > > Thanks, > Norm > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:18:53 -0500 (EST) > From: James Baldassari <jdb(a)WPI.EDU> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0402011615590.17100(a)ccc3.WPI.EDU> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Hi Norm. You can probably find a Red Hat boot disk image somewhere (just > google it), and there are Windows utilities for writing images to > floppies. I think one of them is called rwfloppy, which I can send to you > if you can't find it. You will probably have to edit the boot disk once > it's created so that it points to your linux drive. When you get your > system back up and running I would recommend installing LILO so that you > don't run into this problem again. The newer versions of Windows also > have built-in support for booting multiple OSes. > -James > > On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Norm Legare wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > My desktop has 2 hard drives, one with Windows, one with Linux. By > > inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just > > stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk > > failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the > > Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy > > be made while preserving the existing Linux installation? > > > > Thanks, > > Norm > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 06:12:24 -0500 > From: "Moti Abramovich" <motia(a)comcast.net> > Subject: RE: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy > To: "'Worcester Linux Users Group'" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <000701c3e97d$6fbfa400$0200a8c0@laptop1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Norm. > It depends what version of windows you have, but your best bet would be to > set up your windows for "dual boot" so when you boot your system, a menu > will come up and ask you which operating system you want to boot to - > Windows or Linux. > Moti > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Norm Legare > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:57 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy > > Hi All, > > My desktop has 2 hard drives, one with Windows, one with Linux. By > inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just > stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk > failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the > Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy > be made while preserving the existing Linux installation? > > Thanks, > Norm > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: 02 Feb 2004 09:28:46 -0500 > From: Adam Keck <ghostis(a)mac.com> > Subject: RE: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Cc: Adam Keck <ghostis(a)mac.com> > Message-ID: <1075732127.4990.17.camel@alfred> > Content-Type: text/plain > > > inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just > > stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk > > failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the > > Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy > > be made while preserving the existing Linux installation? > > Norm, > This is no big deal if you know what hardware you have. You will need > a second linux machine to solve this so perhaps someone will agree to > drop by the next meeting with a laptop. > > 1. Get a machine with mtools, superformat and syslinux installed and a > kernel source tree. > 2. Recompile a non-modular kernel with support for your hardware and > filesystems and nothing else. > 3. Insert a floppy and then run: superformat /dev/hd0 > 4. When that's done run: syslinux /dev/fd0 > 5. Mcopy the new kernel from /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot to the > floppy: mcopy /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage a:\kernel.img > 6. Open a text file called syslinux.cfg in your favorite editor. > 7. Put the following in syslinux.cfg (with the appropriate value for > your root parition filled in): > > DEFAULT LINUX > LABEL LINUX > KERNEL kernel.img > APPEND root=/dev/{your root partition device here} > > 8. Save that file then mcopy it to the floppy: mcopy syslinux.cfg a: > 9. Reboot your machine from the floppy. > > There are other ways to do this that may be more elegant. For example > you may be able to so this on your machine by booting the rescue kernel > with the first RedHat CD and then chrooting to your environment. This > how I do it, though ;-). > > > -Adam > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 4, Issue 1 > **********************************

Feb. 3, 2004

Re: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy

by Gregory Avedissian

Is it the floppy disk or the hard drive that failed? Can you boot the installed system from the cd? Or from windows with loadlin? Greg Norm Legare wrote: > Hi All, > > My desktop has 2 hard drives, one with Windows, one with Linux. By > inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just > stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk > failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the > Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy > be made while preserving the existing Linux installation? > > Thanks, > Norm > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Feb. 2, 2004

RE: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy

by Adam Keck

> inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just > stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk > failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the > Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy > be made while preserving the existing Linux installation? Norm, This is no big deal if you know what hardware you have. You will need a second linux machine to solve this so perhaps someone will agree to drop by the next meeting with a laptop. 1. Get a machine with mtools, superformat and syslinux installed and a kernel source tree. 2. Recompile a non-modular kernel with support for your hardware and filesystems and nothing else. 3. Insert a floppy and then run: superformat /dev/hd0 4. When that's done run: syslinux /dev/fd0 5. Mcopy the new kernel from /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot to the floppy: mcopy /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage a:\kernel.img 6. Open a text file called syslinux.cfg in your favorite editor. 7. Put the following in syslinux.cfg (with the appropriate value for your root parition filled in): DEFAULT LINUX LABEL LINUX KERNEL kernel.img APPEND root=/dev/{your root partition device here} 8. Save that file then mcopy it to the floppy: mcopy syslinux.cfg a: 9. Reboot your machine from the floppy. There are other ways to do this that may be more elegant. For example you may be able to so this on your machine by booting the rescue kernel with the first RedHat CD and then chrooting to your environment. This how I do it, though ;-). -Adam

Feb. 2, 2004

RE: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy

by Moti Abramovich

Norm. It depends what version of windows you have, but your best bet would be to set up your windows for "dual boot" so when you boot your system, a menu will come up and ask you which operating system you want to boot to - Windows or Linux. Moti -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Norm Legare Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:57 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy Hi All, My desktop has 2 hard drives, one with Windows, one with Linux. By inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy be made while preserving the existing Linux installation? Thanks, Norm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 2, 2004

Re: [Wlug] RedHat 7.1 boot floppy

by James Baldassari

Hi Norm. You can probably find a Red Hat boot disk image somewhere (just google it), and there are Windows utilities for writing images to floppies. I think one of them is called rwfloppy, which I can send to you if you can't find it. You will probably have to edit the boot disk once it's created so that it points to your linux drive. When you get your system back up and running I would recommend installing LILO so that you don't run into this problem again. The newer versions of Windows also have built-in support for booting multiple OSes. -James On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Norm Legare wrote: > Hi All, > > My desktop has 2 hard drives, one with Windows, one with Linux. By > inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just > stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk > failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the > Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy > be made while preserving the existing Linux installation? > > Thanks, > Norm > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Feb. 1, 2004

RedHat 7.1 boot floppy

by Norm Legare

Hi All, My desktop has 2 hard drives, one with Windows, one with Linux. By inserting the floppy, it boots Linux. Unfortunately, the floppy just stopped working (I get the Linux prompt, but then booting reports disk failure) for some reason. I need to retrieve several files on the Linux hard drive. I have RedHat 7.1 on cd. Can a new boot floppy be made while preserving the existing Linux installation? Thanks, Norm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

Feb. 1, 2004

[Fwd: http://www.icetalk.com/linux/news/story/00401271992.html]

by jeff

Jan. 29, 2004

Re: [Wlug] RH AS 2.1?

by Theo Van Dinter

On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 01:10:52AM -0500, Keith Wright wrote: > I'm not sure exactly what you are asking for. > RH means Red Hat, no? What is AS? RedHat Enterprise Linux. AS == Advanced Server. (they also have ES and WS...) My understanding is that the software and such is basically free, but you pay for support/update systems, etc. At the moment, btw, if you were a subscriber to RHN for the RH9 and previous versions, you can get a 50% discount to goto WS or ES for 2 years. AS 2.1 is old at this point, 3 came out a few months ago. I have ES 3 on my home server, and I've started rolling out ES and AS 3 at work. So far, things look good, minus the sometimes tempermental SCSI driver on the IBM x445 series (Summit code needed, sometimes the driver decides to wind itself into a ball and freeze the box...) > I have an old CD that says Red Hat 2.1 LiNUX with the "digital" > logo. (as in Digital Equipment Corp, DEC) The files are dated > November 1995. Is that what you are talking about? I have one of those too, it was for the Alpha, and mine's autographed by Linus. ;) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: Running Windows on a Pentium is like having a brand new Porsche but only be able to drive backwards with the handbrake on. (Unknown source)

Jan. 28, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Looking for linux work estimate

by Pete Wason

Chuck Homic wrote: > On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 11:33:39PM -0500, Pete Wason wrote: > >>Things I might require help with: > > > I can't help, but.... (and mind you, these are merely my OPINIONS) > > >>1. Samba config > > > Easy. Install from RPM's, and follow the instructions in > /etc/samba/smb.conf (or similar). It should take less than a few hours if > you've never done it before. Less than 30 minutes, otherwise. > Well, I've done this, but some things are not working quite right. It may have more to do with general file/dir ownership/permissions than Samba itself. But all the stuff I read never quite answers the questions I have. For example: I have a www share for my /var/www/ directory. I can access this dir, but nothing below it, and I can't write anything to it, or delete, etc. I have to transfer stuff to my home folder, and then run over to the server and copy/move the files into my /var/www/html folder... > >>2. Apache config > > > Again, install from RPMs, edit /etc/apache/httpd.conf as per the inline > instructions. One to a few hours again. > Once again, it may just be ownership/perms that are killing me, but what I'd like to do is have somebody who's really familiar with this kind of thing just check it out for glaring config errors or security holes. Should everything under www be owned by root? or by apache? etc. I'm also using Rebol extensively for CGI stuff. For example: I've tried using * in conjunction with vhost configs, but I get errors when I do this, so right now I'm using my IP, which is less than desireable if I understand anything at all about this. > >>3. Disable sendmail, inst/conf tcpserver and qmail > > > http://www.lifewithqmail.org > > Do whatever they say there, I swear. Step by step. First you have to > patch up the qmail dist to make it reasonable. I added at least one more > patch myself (SMTP-AUTH). 1-2 days if you've never done it before. After > I figured out what I was doing I preferred to blow away my installation > and do it again. That took 2-3 hours. > > Make sure you read and understand the qmail Big Picture > (http://www.nrg4u.com/) That helped me a lot in my understanding of how > qmail is put together, which in turned helped me to effectively hack in my > customizations. > OK, so I'm lazy ;-) No, wait, I'm *busy*. I fear that I will try to do too much too fast and really screw up the whole system. That's the last thing I need right now with everything else that's going on. I've been "directed" to cancel my current offsite vhost/email account before the end of the week, so I don't have a lot of time to work with (but that's really more of a personal problem, so I'll leave it to you to ruminate as to the exact situation here). Thanks for the links... > >>4. Some general Linux admin questions >>5. Some special-project-related things > > > Well, you can certainly address the list. > Ownership/perms. Best way to keep the system up to date now that RHN is ignoring me. Security, security, security. Installing/configuring Kylix, Sphereserver, et al. All of the above, etc. > >>6. Possibly ditching RH8 and moving to YD or Debian > > > Dell will tell you to suck it, support-wise, if you do that. But you > might be happier in the long run. The system I set up had some > unfamiliar-to-me hardware such as as raid controller, system monitoring > stuff, so we chose to leave it stock. > > If you do this, I'd recommend making it step 1, instead of 6, however. :) Yes ;-) The likely Dell response is why I haven't moved on this already. I wonder what Dell is thinking in regards to RH's move - seems like RH dropped a big customer support issue in Dell's lap. I think YD is cool, even though I don't really know how it staxup against the alternatives, and Debian is one of the distros approved for another machine I'm betatesting (Pegasos). Thanks for the reply, and TIA for any future helps/ideas/infos... Pete

Jan. 28, 2004

Re: [Wlug] RH AS 2.1?

by Keith Wright

> From: "Mike Peckar" <fog(a)fognet.com> > > > Not sure if this can be had without ponying up the buckeroos, but > I'm looking for a copy to run an app that's only supported on that > platform. Failing that, is there a free way to get the bits I need > to run the app compiled thereupon? I'm not sure exactly what you are asking for. RH means Red Hat, no? What is AS? I have an old CD that says Red Hat 2.1 LiNUX with the "digital" logo. (as in Digital Equipment Corp, DEC) The files are dated November 1995. Is that what you are talking about? -- Keith

Jan. 28, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Looking for linux work estimate

by Chuck Homic

On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 11:33:39PM -0500, Pete Wason wrote: > Things I might require help with: I can't help, but.... (and mind you, these are merely my OPINIONS) > 1. Samba config Easy. Install from RPM's, and follow the instructions in /etc/samba/smb.conf (or similar). It should take less than a few hours if you've never done it before. Less than 30 minutes, otherwise. > 2. Apache config Again, install from RPMs, edit /etc/apache/httpd.conf as per the inline instructions. One to a few hours again. > 3. Disable sendmail, inst/conf tcpserver and qmail http://www.lifewithqmail.org Do whatever they say there, I swear. Step by step. First you have to patch up the qmail dist to make it reasonable. I added at least one more patch myself (SMTP-AUTH). 1-2 days if you've never done it before. After I figured out what I was doing I preferred to blow away my installation and do it again. That took 2-3 hours. Make sure you read and understand the qmail Big Picture (http://www.nrg4u.com/) That helped me a lot in my understanding of how qmail is put together, which in turned helped me to effectively hack in my customizations. > 4. Some general Linux admin questions > 5. Some special-project-related things Well, you can certainly address the list. > 6. Possibly ditching RH8 and moving to YD or Debian Dell will tell you to suck it, support-wise, if you do that. But you might be happier in the long run. The system I set up had some unfamiliar-to-me hardware such as as raid controller, system monitoring stuff, so we chose to leave it stock. If you do this, I'd recommend making it step 1, instead of 6, however. :) -Chuck

Jan. 27, 2004

Re: [Wlug] RH AS 2.1?

by gboyce＠badbelly.com

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, Mike Peckar wrote: > > Not sure if this can be had without ponying up the buckeroos, but I'm > looking for a copy to run an app that's only supported on that platform. > Failing that, is there a free way to get the bits I need to run the app > compiled thereupon? How much time do you have? If you start with Redhat 7.2, you can rebuild RHAS 2.1 from the source RPMs, and then install that. There is a FAQ online somehow on exactly what order packages must be installed in. http://www2.uibk.ac.at/zid/software/unix/linux/rhel-rebuild.htm Of course, this will probably take a very long time, so it might be worthwhile to just buy RHAT 2.1.

Jan. 27, 2004

RH AS 2.1?

by Mike Peckar

Not sure if this can be had without ponying up the buckeroos, but I'm looking for a copy to run an app that's only supported on that platform. Failing that, is there a free way to get the bits I need to run the app compiled thereupon? Thanks, Mike ovf(a)wblt.org

Jan. 27, 2004

Looking for linux work estimate

by Pete Wason

Hiall! I have a Dell P4 server running RH8, Apache, Samba & sendmail (et al.), on a network with several other operating systems, and a broadband connection. Things I might require help with: 1. Samba config 2. Apache config 3. Disable sendmail, inst/conf tcpserver and qmail 4. Some general Linux admin questions 5. Some special-project-related things 6. Possibly ditching RH8 and moving to YD or Debian If there's anyone who would be interested in helping me out a little, enough to at least identify the main problems, I'd appreciate it greatly. I'll supply the beer/pizza. Pete Wason rogue(a)hynoom.com IM:Codevark

Jan. 27, 2004

Anti spam filters now active on wlug list

by Frank Sweetser

While at first glance it may appear that the WLUG list never contains any spam, this due to the fact that the list is closed - any emails coming from an address that is not subscribed to the list are held for approval by a moderator, ie, me. In reality, the WLUG list does get a fair amount of spam, sometimes ten or twenty on a bad day. In an effort to not have to deal with this manually, the WLUG list will now use the X-Perlmx-Spam header that is added by the WPI spam filter. Hopefully this will mean that the only messages I have to worry about manually approving are legitimate emails from people who for whateve reason aren't subscribed properly. If anyone thinks that they're losing email sent to the list, please email me directly and I'll take a look. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer

Jan. 27, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Recommened QUIET cdrw/dvd drives?

by jeff

> Lite On 48x24x48x16 Combo Drive, Model LTC48161H, Retail > Sony 48x24x48x16 Combo Drive, Model CRX300E/A, OEM > > I'm leaning towards the Lite-On one, since it comes with Burner > software which my Wife can use (I plan on getting two of these BTW) > while I'm happy with Linux in the basement. :] hey john. i use cdrecord with my lite-on burner all the time. so nice. never had problems with it, quick and clean and quiet too. good investment in my opinion. good luck! -jeff

Jan. 21, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Recommened QUIET cdrw/dvd drives?

by Martin, Eric

I actually have bought two of those (the Lite-On) and no complaints here. Comes with Nero and PowerDVD. -----Original Message----- From: John Stoffel [mailto:stoffel@lucent.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:50 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Recommened QUIET cdrw/dvd drives? Hi all, Does anyone has a recommendatio on a nice quiet CD-R/CD-RW/DVD-ROM combo drive? I see that newegg.com has a Lite-On and a Sony for sale today, both under $50 which seems like a steal. Sounds like a good thing since my SCSI CDRW drive is finally biting the bullet and acting flaky. One requirement is that the drive is quiet. I hate those CDROM drives which sound like jet engines on startup and then just click and whir and sound really loud all the time when running. I especially hate it when they spin up and down constantly. I'd rather have it just spin all the time if possible, or at least not spin down quite so quickly. The two I'm looking at are: Lite On 48x24x48x16 Combo Drive, Model LTC48161H, Retail Sony 48x24x48x16 Combo Drive, Model CRX300E/A, OEM I'm leaning towards the Lite-On one, since it comes with Burner software which my Wife can use (I plan on getting two of these BTW) while I'm happy with Linux in the basement. :] John _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 21, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Long File Name Listed.

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 08:53:47AM -0800, Aramico wrote: > > Friends, > > I have an index.htm with several frames inside. One of the is linked to > http://user:password@url_address. > The problem is, the listed files on my defined url are long file name, So, I > could not view the name complettely. > Its a problem for me, cause, several files has the same name for some firs > characters. > Can I display a full name here. > > > Thanks > > > Aramico Aramico, If you are using Apache for your web server, see the "IndexOptions" directive. It has several options for formatting directory listings. An alternative would be to add an "index.pl" to the directory, and write that perl script to format your directory listing the way you want it. Bill

Jan. 20, 2004

Recommened QUIET cdrw/dvd drives?

by John Stoffel

Hi all, Does anyone has a recommendatio on a nice quiet CD-R/CD-RW/DVD-ROM combo drive? I see that newegg.com has a Lite-On and a Sony for sale today, both under $50 which seems like a steal. Sounds like a good thing since my SCSI CDRW drive is finally biting the bullet and acting flaky. One requirement is that the drive is quiet. I hate those CDROM drives which sound like jet engines on startup and then just click and whir and sound really loud all the time when running. I especially hate it when they spin up and down constantly. I'd rather have it just spin all the time if possible, or at least not spin down quite so quickly. The two I'm looking at are: Lite On 48x24x48x16 Combo Drive, Model LTC48161H, Retail Sony 48x24x48x16 Combo Drive, Model CRX300E/A, OEM I'm leaning towards the Lite-On one, since it comes with Burner software which my Wife can use (I plan on getting two of these BTW) while I'm happy with Linux in the basement. :] John

Jan. 20, 2004

Long File Name Listed.

by Aramico

Friends, I have an index.htm with several frames inside. One of the is linked to http://user:password@url_address. The problem is, the listed files on my defined url are long file name, So, I could not view the name complettely. Its a problem for me, cause, several files has the same name for some firs characters. Can I display a full name here. Thanks Aramico

Jan. 20, 2004

Re: [Wlug] mutt & SMTP

by Charles R. Anderson

On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 06:15:39PM -0500, Josh Huber wrote: > Chuck Homic <chuck(a)vvisions.com> writes: > > > If you don't mind building some code, then get SMTPClient: > > http://www.engelschall.com/sw/smtpclient/distrib/smtpclient-1.0.0.tar.gz > > A couple of other options are nullmailer and ssmtp. Of course, there is the good-old standby, sendmail, which comes practically preconfigured for this kind of use on Red Hat, just edit: /etc/mail/sendmail.mc Remove the "dnl" comment characters from the beginning of this line, and set it to your smart relay host: define(`SMART_HOST',`smtp.myprovider.com') Make sure you have the sendmail-cf package installed, then restart sendmail: service sendmail restart The .cf files will be rebuilt automagically. Oh, one more thing, make sure DAEMON=yes in /etc/sysconfig/sendmail, or this will fail to work (this is a change from earlier RH releases, where it might have been a good idea to set DAEMON=no). This will run the daemon ONLY as a local server (on 127.0.0.1) for the sole purpose of submissions by MUAs.

Jan. 20, 2004

Re: [Wlug] mutt & SMTP

by Chuck Homic

On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 05:16:55PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > I've been looking for a configuration variable to have mutt use an > SMTP server other than localhost. I haven't seen one, yet. Is it > possible? If you don't mind building some code, then get SMTPClient: http://www.engelschall.com/sw/smtpclient/distrib/smtpclient-1.0.0.tar.gz Then apply my patch (attached). Then you can put a line like this in your .muttrc: set sendmail="/path/to/smtpclient -Smy.smtp.server.org -H -fbill(a)mills-curran.net" That's the technology that brings you this message here. -Chuck

Jan. 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] mutt & SMTP

by Josh Huber

Chuck Homic <chuck(a)vvisions.com> writes: > If you don't mind building some code, then get SMTPClient: > http://www.engelschall.com/sw/smtpclient/distrib/smtpclient-1.0.0.tar.gz A couple of other options are nullmailer and ssmtp. nullmailer: This is nullmailer, a sendmail/qmail/etc replacement MTA for hosts which relay to a fixed set of smart relays. It is designed to be simple to configure, secure, and easily extendable. ssmtp: A secure, effective and simple way of getting mail off a system to your mail hub. It contains no suid-binaries or other dangerous things - no mail spool to poke around in, and no daemons running in the background. Mail is simply forwarded to the configured mailhost. Extremely easy configuration. -- Josh Huber

Jan. 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] mutt & SMTP

by Gregory Boyce

On Mon, 2004-01-19 at 17:16, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > I've been looking for a configuration variable to have mutt use an > SMTP server other than localhost. I haven't seen one, yet. Is it > possible? http://www.fefe.de/muttfaq/faq.html#SMTP "You can't. Mutt is a MUA (Mail User Agent), not a MTA (Mail Transport Agent). Other email programs include MTA functionality but the Mutt way is to use the proper tool for each task, instead of making a giant program that does everything. In short, it's not Mutt's job to get the mail to a remote SMTP server." After I quick search, I came across this though: http://www.icewalkers.com/Linux/Software/520550/msmtp.html It's an SMTP plugin for mutt. Not sure how well it works, but it might help you out. Greg

Jan. 19, 2004

mutt & SMTP

by Bill Mills-Curran

I've been looking for a configuration variable to have mutt use an SMTP server other than localhost. I haven't seen one, yet. Is it possible? TIA, Bill

Jan. 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] mkinitrd

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 09:34:54AM -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 09:08:46AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > Question: Do I need to boot to the single-processor kernel in order > > to make a valid initrd image for a single-processor boot? I would > > hope that I can, but the man page is not specific about it. (I want > > to avoid the extra boot cycles.) > > Mo, you can make an initrd for any installed kernel without booting to > it. > > mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.4.20-28.9.img 2.4.20-28.9 > mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.4.20-28.9smp.img 2.4.20-28.9smp > > Additionally, installing a Red Hat kernel package automatically does > the mkinitrd and grub.conf steps for you, so you only need to manually > run the commands above if you want a special kernel module loaded > before / is mounted, or if you have a custom compiled kernel. > > See also /sbin/installkernel. > Charles, Worked fine. Thanks. I needed to generate a new initrd to support a fibre HBA -- my machine is connected to a Clariion disk array with Qlogic HBA's. Bill

Jan. 18, 2004

Sound card troubleshooting

by Michael Long

Hi, I have been running Suse 8.2 and Sound Blaster sblive! EMU10k1 with no trouble until the last online update from suse. Now I get the message "Cannot open the audio device. Another application may be using it." And yet when using suse's configuration tool, YAST, the card appears to be configured correctly. The only weird thing I can find is that when I go to the hardware info page I see the following 2 entries: Unique key:_+Pw.mTanvDDnb_0 old_unique_key: airf.mTanvDDnb_0 Where should I start looking to figure out what got broken. Thanks, Mike

Jan. 18, 2004

Reminder: WLUG meeting TONIGHT 7:00 PM

by Andy Stewart

(This space intentionally left blank) -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Jan. 15, 2004

Re: [Wlug] FreeBSD - cvsup access down?

by John Stoffel

Sigh... it turned out that my co-lo site was blocking port 5999 (cvsup) on me, due to their ISP complaing about problems earlier. They forgot, and since I hadn't done an update in a while, I didn't notice either. All it well now, and I've changed to useing the MIT mirror, it's pretty darn fast. John

Jan. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] FreeBSD - cvsup access down?

by Brian J. Conway

It times out when I try cvsup14.freebsd.org. Perhaps leave it at cvsup.freebsd.org and be patient? I just tried that one (cvsup.freebsd.org) now and it connected up and starting syncing without issue. I haven't checked any of the mailing list archives recently, perhaps there's a known issue with cvsup mirrors being busy or a lack of available mirrors. -b > Brian> I cvsup ports at 3 in the morning and had no issues today. I > Brian> can connect now to cvsup.freebsd.org fine, although the limit > Brian> on connections for that particular server has been reached, but > Brian> the system is running. Try a few hosts? > > I've tried all of the main mirrors (1-18) including some of the remote > ones as well. I'm starting to think that there's some major routing > or network issues hiding around my server. Sigh... > > Well well... I can browse the web site on cvsup3.freebsd.org > (xyz.lcs.mit.edu) without a problem using Lynx from my problematic > machine. But cvsup doesn't work. Strange strange strange... > > Can you try doing a pull from that site and telling me what you get? > > John

Jan. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] FreeBSD - cvsup access down?

by John Stoffel

Brian> I cvsup ports at 3 in the morning and had no issues today. I Brian> can connect now to cvsup.freebsd.org fine, although the limit Brian> on connections for that particular server has been reached, but Brian> the system is running. Try a few hosts? I've tried all of the main mirrors (1-18) including some of the remote ones as well. I'm starting to think that there's some major routing or network issues hiding around my server. Sigh... Well well... I can browse the web site on cvsup3.freebsd.org (xyz.lcs.mit.edu) without a problem using Lynx from my problematic machine. But cvsup doesn't work. Strange strange strange... Can you try doing a pull from that site and telling me what you get? John

Jan. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] FreeBSD - cvsup access down?

by Brian J. Conway

I cvsup ports at 3 in the morning and had no issues today. I can connect now to cvsup.freebsd.org fine, although the limit on connections for that particular server has been reached, but the system is running. Try a few hosts? -b On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, John Stoffel wrote: > > Hi All, > > Is anyone else running FreeBSD and having problems talking to any/all > of the various CVSup servers around the world? I can't decide if the > ISP which hosts the site where I have a co-lo is causing the problem, > or if I've just done something stupid with my system setup. > > Basically, any connections for port 5999 on most of the CVSup servers > I've tried talking to just times out. > > For example: > > # cvsup ports-supfile > Cannot connect to cvsup14.FreeBSD.org: Connection refused > Will retry at 14:29:15 > Retrying > Cannot connect to cvsup14.FreeBSD.org: Connection refused > Will retry at 14:40:01 > > Thanks, > John > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 14, 2004

FreeBSD - cvsup access down?

by John Stoffel

Hi All, Is anyone else running FreeBSD and having problems talking to any/all of the various CVSup servers around the world? I can't decide if the ISP which hosts the site where I have a co-lo is causing the problem, or if I've just done something stupid with my system setup. Basically, any connections for port 5999 on most of the CVSup servers I've tried talking to just times out. For example: # cvsup ports-supfile Cannot connect to cvsup14.FreeBSD.org: Connection refused Will retry at 14:29:15 Retrying Cannot connect to cvsup14.FreeBSD.org: Connection refused Will retry at 14:40:01 Thanks, John

Jan. 14, 2004

coda & InterMezzo filesystems

by Karl Hiramoto

Anyone have experience with them? Good? Bad? Using them in produciton environments? -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø I hate babies. They're so human. -- H.H. Munro

Jan. 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] mkinitrd

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 09:08:46AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Question: Do I need to boot to the single-processor kernel in order > to make a valid initrd image for a single-processor boot? I would > hope that I can, but the man page is not specific about it. (I want > to avoid the extra boot cycles.) Mo, you can make an initrd for any installed kernel without booting to it. mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.4.20-28.9.img 2.4.20-28.9 mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.4.20-28.9smp.img 2.4.20-28.9smp Additionally, installing a Red Hat kernel package automatically does the mkinitrd and grub.conf steps for you, so you only need to manually run the commands above if you want a special kernel module loaded before / is mounted, or if you have a custom compiled kernel. See also /sbin/installkernel.

Jan. 13, 2004

mkinitrd

by Bill Mills-Curran

I'm using mkinitrd on a multi-processor system. I have both the single and multi-processor kernels loaded, but I rarely run the single-processor kernel. It's there mostly as a safety net. Question: Do I need to boot to the single-processor kernel in order to make a valid initrd image for a single-processor boot? I would hope that I can, but the man page is not specific about it. (I want to avoid the extra boot cycles.) TIA, Bill

Jan. 13, 2004

Next meeting : Jan 15th 7:00 PM

by Andy Stewart

HI Everybody, Our next WLUG meeting will be held on Thurs. Jan 15th at 7:00 PM in the Access Grid room on the WPI campus. WLUG member Chuck Anderson will talk to us about using PGP. In his words: So, I guess I could whip up a summary of what I have learned to give a brief overview of what PGP is, how/why to use it... Click on this URL to get more information about PGP: http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html >From that website: PGP® or Pretty Good Privacy® is a powerful cryptographic product family that enables people to securely exchange messages, and to secure files, disk volumes and network connections with both privacy and strong authentication. For a similar piece of software, consult this URL: http://www.gnupg.org/ See ya there! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Jan. 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Jan 15 meeting - trolling for a topic

by Stephen C. Daukas

I'm not volunteering because my calendar is more than full, but I wonder if there is any interest regarding the Sun Java Desktop System and how it works with Linux. Maybe someone in-the-know could offer a talk/demo? From sun.com: /In August of 2003, Sun Microsystems announced the Sun Java Desktop System, a software package that consists of a fully integrated client environment based on open source components and industry standards, offered as an affordable, comprehensive, simple-to-use, secure enterprise-grade desktop solution. Key features include a well-defined, integrated look and feel, familiar desktop themes, as well as file, folder, and print interoperability with Microsoft Windows and Linux/UNIX environments. /"The Java Desktop System is a comprehensive and secure enterprise desktop environment that runs on Solaris and Linux. It provides the enterprise with the first viable alternative to Windows in 15 years, by offering a complete feature set at a fraction of the cost of a Windows upgrade." Might be interesting... Steve Andy Stewart wrote: >Hi Everybody, > >Unfortunately, I received no responses to my query about finding a speaker to >talk about digital signatures on e-mail. If you have expertise in this area >and would like to address WLUG at the January meeting, please contact me >ASAP. Thanks! > >Plan B: there is no plan B. > >Have you any thoughts ? Really, what we need is a volunteer. OK, I'll stoop >to bribery - if you speak at a WLUG meeting (especially the January meeting), >we'll buy you pizza/beer at the Boynton Restaurant after the meeting. How's >that sound ? :-) > >Thanks! > >Andy > > -- Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/

Jan. 7, 2004

Re: GnomeMeeting

by Bob George

Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > [...] > Does anybody out there have a webcam? For what do you use it ? I'd tell ya, but then I'd have to kill ya. Or rather, you'd probably kill yourself! :) Actually I do have a Creative webcam, but only used it briefly. I played around with the "motion" package to do frame grabs when motion was detected. It was fun getting caps of people stealing our partition walls and security guards rummaging through our stuff at my old job. I've futzed with it for other things, but having ONE isn't all that much fun. I'm considering bolting it down pointing out my office window and doing a time-lapse sequence of "weather in MA" shots. That, or capturing squirrels at play in the yard. I personally don't find it that useful as a productivity tool. I don't see much value in looking at a poor image of somebody I'm talking to. I'd rather be busy doing other stuff (surfing web etc.) while talking to folks. - Bob

Jan. 5, 2004

Re: [Wlug] GnomeMeeting

by Andy Stewart

On Saturday 03 January 2004 10:46 pm, Andy Stewart wrote: > HI Everybody, > > Are there any GnomeMeeting users out there ? > > I just bought a webcam and would like to try this out. If somebody wants > to do an experiment, let me know! I'd like to test both video and audio as > well as the text chat capability. > > Andy Does anybody out there have a webcam? For what do you use it ? -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Jan. 5, 2004

Jan 15 meeting - trolling for a topic

by Andy Stewart

Hi Everybody, Unfortunately, I received no responses to my query about finding a speaker to talk about digital signatures on e-mail. If you have expertise in this area and would like to address WLUG at the January meeting, please contact me ASAP. Thanks! Plan B: there is no plan B. Have you any thoughts ? Really, what we need is a volunteer. OK, I'll stoop to bribery - if you speak at a WLUG meeting (especially the January meeting), we'll buy you pizza/beer at the Boynton Restaurant after the meeting. How's that sound ? :-) Thanks! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Jan. 5, 2004

GnomeMeeting

by Andy Stewart

HI Everybody, Are there any GnomeMeeting users out there ? I just bought a webcam and would like to try this out. If somebody wants to do an experiment, let me know! I'd like to test both video and audio as well as the text chat capability. Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Jan. 4, 2004

Linux Date.

by Aramico

Hi everybody... Hmm, can somebody tell me how to display the defined date on linux ? I want to see the date displayed as eg. Jule 29 2003, what date properties that I have to use ? Thanks. Aramico

Dec. 29, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Linux Date.

by doug waud

Hi Aramico wrote: > Hmm, can somebody tell me how to display the defined date on linux ? Type date <return> :-) Are you aware of the apropos command? (I am surprised that anyone would post such a simple query and am trying to guess what led you to do so :-) )? > I want to see the date displayed as eg. Jule 29 2003, what date properties > that I have to use ? Start with man date and figure it out! doug

Dec. 29, 2003

Tap into OnStar

by jeff

<http://members.cox.net/onstar/>

Dec. 29, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Linux Date.

by Mike Frysinger

On Monday 29 December 2003 14:19, Aramico wrote: > Hmm, can somebody tell me how to display the defined date on linux ? > I want to see the date displayed as eg. Jule 29 2003, what date properties > that I have to use ? are you talking about the `date` cmd ? or are you talking about your clock in {gkrellm,kde,gnome,whathaveyou} ? you need to be a little more specific ... -mike

Dec. 29, 2003

Mercury News | 12/25/2003 | Hobbyists modify GM's OnStar system

by jeff

<http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/business/7569678.htm>

Dec. 29, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Has anyone got an opinion on LINDOWS 4.0?

by Steve Freitag

I haven't used Lindows 4.0, but I did notice a review over on unixreview.com: http://www.unixreview.com/documents/s=8989/ur0312j/ > From: "Sarin,Sajiv" <Sajiv.Sarin(a)stratus.com> > Date: 2003/12/24 Wed PM 12:30:54 EST > To: "'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org'" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Subject: [Wlug] Has anyone got an opinion on LINDOWS 4.0? > > Thanks, _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 24, 2003

Has anyone got an opinion on LINDOWS 4.0?

by Sarin,Sajiv

Thanks, * <mailto:Sajiv.Sarin@Stratus.com> Sajiv.Sarin(a)Stratus.com U <mailto:8773800197@skytel.com> 8773800197(a)skytel.com <outbind://3/978-461-7235> * 978-461-7235

Dec. 24, 2003

Linux and 802.11g

by Arturo Sedo

Holiday cheer would be facilitated greatly if I were able to find a 802.11g wireless card that works with linux. Does anyone in the group have any experience or insight regarding 802.11g and linux compatibility? Happy Holidays! Arturo

Dec. 22, 2003

hey guys - long time no see!

by jeff

this is jeff, one half of the now sadly defunct mwblug. just wanted to say, it's good to be back on the list, and i hope you guys have a great holiday! peace -jeff

Dec. 17, 2003

Recent and Upcoming WLUG meetings

by Andy Stewart

Hi everybody, Please note that I just rescheduled a bunch of the meetings for calendar year 2004. Please check the WLUG website for more information. Please accept my apologies for scheduling two Wednesday meetings for consecutive months. I am scheduling around my commitment to teach a Linux course for the Adult Education program in Chelmsford, MA. A note about the December 2003 meeting: This meeting was well attended, with at least 30 people present to watch the "Revolution OS" DVD. Many thanks for your generous donations to help defray the cost of the raffle items (we broke even *and* set a WLUG record of $58.50!), and to Chuck Anderson for his help with the projection system. It was nice to see some faces of people who occasionally attend meetings in addition to the "regulars" and a few newbies. With regard to the January 2004 meeting, there was an interesting discussion on the WLUG mailing list recently about digital signatures and e-mail. I would like to know if there are any volunteers who would like to do a presentation on this topic. If so, please send me an e-mail. Here are some ideas which came to mind: - how to create your own digital signature (and why) - how to get your friend's digital signature and be sure it is authentic - how to configure (pick a mail client) for use with digital signatures - verifying a digitally signed e-mail - other related ideas? Finally, if you are unfamiliar with this comic strip, take a look. Its pretty amusing: http://www.userfriendly.org Happy holidays! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Dec. 16, 2003

it was a *great* December meeting!

by Brian McLinden

The film Thursday was tops, a great intro about where free software and open source came from. In a mock of the film, Doug Mildram stood us all for free beer at the Boynton afterwards. Present: Scott, Amy, Greg, Andy, Doug, Chuck, Keith, Al. I truly appreciate all you do, Andy. It was a great evening and intro for the holidaze ahead! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/

Dec. 13, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Give away...

by Lee Keyser-Allen

I'm sorry to spam the list, but I can't help pointing out the irony inherent in the items being offered. The fact that one crt has developed a red ting, whilst the other has lost it's ability to manufacture red at all. I since a physics proof on the conservation of red electrons<sic> in the Keller household. Really I think the two must be offered as a set to avoid some sort of cosmic imbalance :). Sorry again, I couldn't resist; my brain does this to me every now and then, and I felt the need to share the pain. Cheers, Lee Keller, Tim wrote: >Hey Everybody, > >I've got a color 13" television I'd like to give to a good home. It's an >oldie, but a goodie. Every once and a while it'll get a bit of a red ting, >but overall it works great. Note, this TV only has coax input. > >I've also got a 21" viewsonic monitor that the red electron gun has gone on >the fritz. I'm sure a monitor tech could fix it in no time, however since >it cost me nothing, I feel no qualms in just giving it away. > >Other stuff... >1. Pentium 166 with 128mb of ram. This entire machine is questionable and >possibly a fire hazard (due to some dodgy soldering work done by your truly >on the power supply after the fans bearings went south and I installed a new >fan) though I ran the machine for many years after my repairs and never had >a problem. With a new case and power supply this machine would probably be >a great firewall. It's also got a 512mb and 3gig hard drive in it. > >2. Huge Server case minus power supply. 6 bays in the front, lots of room >for fans and drives and all that good stuff. > >If you want any of this stuff, just write me back and I'll bring it with me >to the next wlug meeting. If you can't make it to the meeting, we'll >arrange something. > >Thanks, >Tim. > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Dec. 13, 2003

Re: [Wlug] WLUG Meeting: Thurs Dec 11 7:00 PM

by Andy Stewart

On Wednesday 10 December 2003 8:06 am, Andy Stewart wrote: > Hi everybody, > > Our next WLUG meeting will actually be a joint meeting with WLUG and the > Worcester County IEEE Computer Society. We'll hold the meeting in Olin > Hall room 107 on the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA (we've been there > before) since it seats more people. Hi Everybody, My apologies for the confusion. The WLUG website is correct in that the meeting is THURSDAY evening Dec. 11 at 7:00 PM in Olin Hall room 107. My e-mail subject was in error. See ya there! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Dec. 11, 2003

Re: [Wlug] WLUG Meeting: Thurs Dec 12 7:00 PM

by Keith Wright

I am not that familiar with the metric calendar. The 'date' command on Linux says it's Wed Dec 10, is Thursday Dec 12, tomorrow or the next day? -- Keith

Dec. 10, 2003

Re: [Wlug] verizon, suse

by Mike Frysinger

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 10 December 2003 12:42, gaba wrote: > hello, im staying in worcester for christmas so im trying to configure a > dsl verizon's account in suse but i cant figure out how to do it. i called > the verizon support's center and they told me that verizon doesnt works > with linux!!!! > Does somebody can help me? use Roaring Penguin http://www.roaringpenguin.com/ i use that at home on my router and it works great. their documentation should be sufficient but there are ADSL howtos out there which include information on rp-ppoe. - -mike -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUBP9dc7EFjO5/oN/WBAQI75hAA5fKCnNBKxsPjv9rk26M31HAYamrjTm35 IqM9ULdHp9+p1ZgQb7z6IPNWOfQlGd+6l6u2Vr5yBDChRj87Z7H4oZvJ919cJWMF 0Pi98exa9+cOcGjWpa0OqbWZWW13rmL44QTNPu7JXgbURykF4oDxbmPkG55HgzfP RLK/yxYKVPCnakD6pkbEvf+vkK1ZRPYg88BSq4nhPPQOQciWV9EItV/h4tS4XYkc rDOJIICeBETNaklVeY3Y5rXfzK+OKyqXVOhNoc/aPwUj5zhELwH2fXLFfmPX2bCm X1qaVTjX7aEvaGhHE0tUPmAxNmHFALTpzJD9rCfLzBsvj6t+59Z/2XKv8zpZ3MM/ RStI+ZpeGALMYCTKEaiC5WO0kQXdQyYj4NH7TyfELr6c3ejiK4lxLeb1QZkqGPM7 YI5vWNAQoYtOeNBoF2hnZpm2CCQalWsqfiWB/phyEQ13jBREvXnBkTpSWh1wXsMg V0kFlFBWsLxCT5W9IaGfZkuXnRyN1ItR+ni/PTk7yQVjhVXKqVlCGYIO3voK7b5P vHzj/4NB5wvC3Yfn4dgq17F3aR1xS7f72NZGxqMM1cks1iFkavzzu9y87yb1xA44 3rH0wE8vA9R4V0r9hRUvGOU0NfFmd2ff/V/8t5qmNgtRCwwDzOZTPPYnbZqH0P74 WGsr7ZMKc8o= =v2bY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Dec. 10, 2003

verizon, suse

by gaba

hello, im staying in worcester for christmas so im trying to configure a dsl verizon's account in suse but i cant figure out how to do it. i called the verizon support's center and they told me that verizon doesnt works with linux!!!! Does somebody can help me? thanks, gaba

Dec. 10, 2003

WLUG Meeting: Thurs Dec 12 7:00 PM

by Andy Stewart

Hi everybody, Our next WLUG meeting will actually be a joint meeting with WLUG and the Worcester County IEEE Computer Society. We'll hold the meeting in Olin Hall room 107 on the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA (we've been there before) since it seats more people. We're anticipating a larger than normal turnout for this meeting due to the showing of the documentary entitled "Revolution OS" (on DVD!). This documentary runs for 1 hour and 25 minutes. No expertise in Linux is required to understand this documentary. Revolution OS tells the inside story of the hackers who rebelled against the proprietary software model and Microsoft to create GNU/Linux and the Open Source movement. This documentary features interviews with Linus Torvalds, Richard Stallman, Bruce Perens, Eric Raymond, Brian Behlendorf, Michael Tiemann, Larry Augustin, Frank Hecker, and Rob Malda. I've purchased a few items for the no-cost raffle which will be held after the showing of the documentary: o a copy of the Revolution OS DVD o a Revolution OS tee shirt o a Revolution OS coffee mug o a Revolution OS poster (11"x7") As always, light refreshments will be served at the meeting. After the meeting, we'll adjourn to the Boynton Restaurant for pizza and beer, and all are invited to attend. -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Dec. 10, 2003

Give away...

by Keller, Tim

Hey Everybody, I've got a color 13" television I'd like to give to a good home. It's an oldie, but a goodie. Every once and a while it'll get a bit of a red ting, but overall it works great. Note, this TV only has coax input. I've also got a 21" viewsonic monitor that the red electron gun has gone on the fritz. I'm sure a monitor tech could fix it in no time, however since it cost me nothing, I feel no qualms in just giving it away. Other stuff... 1. Pentium 166 with 128mb of ram. This entire machine is questionable and possibly a fire hazard (due to some dodgy soldering work done by your truly on the power supply after the fans bearings went south and I installed a new fan) though I ran the machine for many years after my repairs and never had a problem. With a new case and power supply this machine would probably be a great firewall. It's also got a 512mb and 3gig hard drive in it. 2. Huge Server case minus power supply. 6 bays in the front, lots of room for fans and drives and all that good stuff. If you want any of this stuff, just write me back and I'll bring it with me to the next wlug meeting. If you can't make it to the meeting, we'll arrange something. Thanks, Tim.

Dec. 8, 2003

Wireless PCMCIA cards?

by Bill Smith

List, I recently was given a 3com wireless gateway from my employer. I would like to put this baby to good use! :D I have to admit that I am at a loss as to what to do about the NIC, though. I am running RH9 (although this may change soon) on my Gateway Solo 9100 laptop. Sometimes it's running WinMe, but that's only when I want to play games. ;) My question to you all is this: What PCMCIA Wireless (802.11b) cards should I consider? Which ones should I avoid? * I would like to be able to do WEP as painlessly as possible, if I can. * I'm not too worried about range, since my apartment isn't terribly large. There are a couple walls to contend with, though. 8\ On the other hand, the battery on this laptop STINKS, so it will be plugged into the wall around 99.4% of the time that the system is up. Because of that little truth, power consumption is not a big worry. * The gateway I have does 802.11b. I'm not worried about doing 802.11g, just yet. :) Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com Oh, and I just made that up. * TAG! v3.1 *

Dec. 6, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Red Hat vs SuSE....

by Bill Smith

In a post dated 06 November 2003, I asked the list about any recommendations for distros that I could consider (and any clarifications to any misconceptions I may have had), to replace RH9 on my laptop. I want it understood that I wasn't trolling for a flame war. I was honestly looking for opinions from the one place I thought I could find a wide variety of experiences. I've since narrowed my decision to Mandrake and SuSE. If anyone can shed some light on THESE, I would certainly appreciate it. My experience with Mandrake is limited (tried it ONCE), and my experience with SuSE is dated (by about six years). That having been said, I would like to throw my two cents in for John: Le Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:05:53 -0500, « "John Stoffel" <stoffel(a)lucent.com> » a écrit: JS> Just a quick suggestion, but could you please re-insert the mail JS> header for "Sender:" so it's easy to sort out WLUG email from other JS> stuff? Sylpheed Claws (my mail client of choice) allows many ways to filter messages. My filter for WLUG covers three different ways I have seen to tell a ML message from anything else. My filter for WLUG looks like this (broken to three lines from the original ONE line for clarity): to matchcase "wlug(a)wlug.org" | to matchcase "wlug(a)mail.wlug.org" | header "List-Id" matchcase "Worcester Linux Users Group" I hope this helps. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com No matter how bad the nosebleed, a tourniquet round the neck is a bad idea. * TAG! v3.1 *

Dec. 6, 2003

Re: [Wlug] new mutt user ?'s

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 05:52:30PM -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 05:41:07PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > Received: from newguy.mills.curran (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > > by newguy.mills.curran (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id > > hB2M5NMk002065 > > for <mills-curran_bill(a)emc.com>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:05:24 > > -0500 > > Received: (from bcurran@localhost) > > by newguy.mills.curran (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id > > hB2M58Vk002061 > > for mills-curran_bill(a)emc.com; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:05:08 -0500 > > Does newguy.mills.curran resolve locally to either 127.0.0.1 or your > public IP? Usually this is done in /etc/hosts: > > 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost newguy.mills.curran > > OR: > > 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost > eth0.ip.address newguy.mills.curran Neither -- I have it set for my private IP (NAT firewall): 192.168.1.12 newguy.mills.curran newguy Bill

Dec. 3, 2003

Re: [Wlug] new mutt user ?'s

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 05:56:01PM -0500, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 05:41:07PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > So, I think I have something in sendmail that's causing this. Any > > ideas? > > Perhaps a difference between calling the sendmail binary to put the mail > in the queue and connecting to port 25? Although IIRC both do sendmail > binary by default. > > It sounds like some kind of auth or dns timeout. <snip> I agree, but I haven't found it yet. I did find something in the sendmail logs -- a "delay" and "xdelay" that look about the right length for my problem. I'm not sure if that's significant, or I'm just grasping at straws. Here are a couple of entries: Dec 2 17:05:08 newguy sendmail[2061]: hB2M58Vk002061: from=bcurran, size=329, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<20031202220508.GJ1246(a)newguy.mills.curran>, relay=bcurran@localhost Dec 2 17:05:24 newguy sendmail[2065]: hB2M5NMk002065: from=<bcurran(a)mills-curran.net>, size=492, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<20031202220508.GJ1246(a)newguy.mills.curran>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1] Dec 2 17:05:24 newguy sendmail[2061]: hB2M58Vk002061: to=mills-curran_bill(a)emc.com, ctladdr=bcurran (500/502), delay=00:00:16, xdelay=00:00:16, mailer=relay, pri=30329, relay=localhost.us.dg.com. [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (hB2M5NMk002065 Message accepted for delivery) Dec 2 17:05:29 newguy sendmail[2067]: hB2M5NMk002065: to=<mills-curran_bill(a)emc.com>, delay=00:00:05, xdelay=00:00:05, mailer=relay, pri=30492, relay=mail.mills-curran.net. [65.18.197.115], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (hB2M5Po13164 Message accepted for delivery) I think they are all associated with a single outgoing email from my home machine to my work address. For now I've buried the problem with a mutt config change, but I'd like to understand the issue and fix the root cause. Thanks, Bill

Dec. 3, 2003

Re: [Wlug] new mutt user ?'s

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 05:41:07PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > So, I think I have something in sendmail that's causing this. Any > ideas? Perhaps a difference between calling the sendmail binary to put the mail in the queue and connecting to port 25? Although IIRC both do sendmail binary by default. It sounds like some kind of auth or dns timeout. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Meanwhile the US military officials are looking for their next target in the war on terrorism. Today President Bush restated his commitment to the war on terror, saying, "You're either with us, or against us, or, in the case of Saudi Arabia, both."" - Bill Maher

Dec. 2, 2003

Re: [Wlug] new mutt user ?'s

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 05:41:07PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Received: from newguy.mills.curran (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > by newguy.mills.curran (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id > hB2M5NMk002065 > for <mills-curran_bill(a)emc.com>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:05:24 > -0500 > Received: (from bcurran@localhost) > by newguy.mills.curran (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id > hB2M58Vk002061 > for mills-curran_bill(a)emc.com; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:05:08 -0500 Does newguy.mills.curran resolve locally to either 127.0.0.1 or your public IP? Usually this is done in /etc/hosts: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost newguy.mills.curran OR: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost eth0.ip.address newguy.mills.curran

Dec. 2, 2003

Re: [Wlug] new mutt user ?'s

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Sat, Nov 29, 2003 at 05:24:54PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > I've made the switch from pine to mutt, and I have 2 questions. > > 1. Why is mutt so slow in sending outgoing email? Pine delivered > outgoing email quickly, but mutt seems MUCH slower -- too slow to > even consider that there's a performance problem. It seems to be > some issue about how it interfaces with sendmail. (I'm using my > own machine as an outgoing relay through my web services > provider.) <snip> I've learned something more about the slowness of mutt... It seems that sendmail is taking about 15 seconds to process the email. Here's a snippet of an email header: Received: from newguy.mills.curran (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by newguy.mills.curran (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB2M5NMk002065 for <mills-curran_bill(a)emc.com>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:05:24 -0500 Received: (from bcurran@localhost) by newguy.mills.curran (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB2M58Vk002061 for mills-curran_bill(a)emc.com; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:05:08 -0500 These are the 1st 2 header records (in normal reverse order). Note that there's a 16 second gap (it's typically 15) between the 1st and the second. So, I think I have something in sendmail that's causing this. Any ideas? For now, I've set the mutt configuration to submit the email in a subprocess so that I'm not waiting interactively. TIA, Bill

Dec. 2, 2003

RE: [Wlug] Router/firewall

by Hemstreet, Jeffrey L (Jeffrey)

I just bought a Dlink DI-514 from Best buy for $30 after rebates (about 2 weeks ago, $70 before). I would suggest either D-link, Linksys, or Netgear. If you watch the Best Buy/OfficeMax/Staples ads, you can end up one for 30-50. The Wireless Access Points themselves are $80. I bought the Dlink because it's not Linksys/Cisco, and I have been VERY happy with it. All 3 of these devices are fully compatable, so you can buy anyones card and connect with the access point. I would go with the 802.11b wireless unless you have a great need for a large wireless network (5+ clients). Where you plan on running lots of traffic over the wireless (i.e., not just web surfing/email) jeff -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 10:48 PM To: 'Worcester Linux Users Group' Subject: RE: [Wlug] Router/firewall You already have the Linksys router just ad any wireless access point behind it for a reduced cost. This way you can still have a wired network in your house/office and a wireless network as well. An access point without the "router" portion should be cheaper and can offer you more options in control i.e. rules for the wired intranet and different rules for the wireless intranet. I have an older Proxim unit that works well. It uses a PCMCIA card as well as the remote "users" so it's very upgradeable without the need to change the whole unit. ~ Michael LaPointe ~ HorizonNet Communications ~ Http://allLongdistance.com ~ Mailto:mike@alllongdistance.com > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Chamberlin > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 10:24 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Router/firewall > > > At 11/27/2003 01:38 AM (Thursday), mlong(a)datalong.com wrote: > > >I am looking to replace a Linksys router/firewall with a wireless > >router/firewall > >solution and was wondering what routers others would recommend. > > Err, why not a Linksys wireless router/firewall? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 1, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Re: Router/firewall

by mlong＠datalong.com

Thanks for all the replies. I ended up purchasing a D-Link unit and am very impressed with it. It appears to have a stronger wireless signal, more flexibility configuring the firewall, and faster throughput. The faster throughput may be due to the fact that I reconfigured some components. It hasn't been stressed enough yet to say for sure, but it appears that the connectivity problems have been resolved as well. The D-Link gets 2 thumbs up :) Currently I am using standard wep encryption but will look into configuring it to only allow configured mac addresses as well. Cheers, Mike > On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 22:23, Doug Chamberlin wrote: >> [...] >> Err, why not a Linksys wireless router/firewall? > > Or a Linux firewall with a basic WAP hanging off a protected interface? > > Unfortunately, such a critter seems to cost nearly as much the > full-blown, wireless router/firewall products, but they're still a bit > less if you can find them. > > I found Netgear and Buffalo units locally, for about $120, with a > preference for the latter as it has MANY more configuration options for > logging and security. > > I use the basic 802.11 features to protect the link (WEP/WPA, MAC > filtering), and count on my Linux firewall to protect me from wireless > "outsiders" just as I expect it to protect me against Internet-based > "outsiders". This gives me an extra layer of protection from wireless > They have to get IN to the wireless network -- harder but theoretically > not impossible -- and then past my firewall rules to actually DO > anything, at which point hopefully snort and arpwatch have alerted me). > True, a commercial product does the basics, and far more simply. But > then, I wouldn't be using Linux for security if I wanted to take the > easiest route. > > I'm checking out the host-based AP efforts, but haven't made that jump > quit yet. I do like the little commercial products, as they'll fit into > tight places to allow better antenna coverage. > > - Bob > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Dec. 1, 2003

Re: new mutt user ?'s

by Bob George

On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 17:24, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > I've made the switch from pine to mutt, and I have 2 questions. > [...] I've tried Mutt in the past, but ran into a few problems. The biggest has to do with using it with a hierarchy of IMAP folders. I'd like Mutt to flag (highlight) folder with unread messages. Last time I tried, I could get it to highlight folders with new (since last session) messages, but not "remember" older, unread messages. I've gone through several howtos, but never could get this to work. Anyone doing this now? - Bob

Dec. 1, 2003

Re: Router/firewall

by Bob George

On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 22:23, Doug Chamberlin wrote: > [...] > Err, why not a Linksys wireless router/firewall? Or a Linux firewall with a basic WAP hanging off a protected interface? Unfortunately, such a critter seems to cost nearly as much the full-blown, wireless router/firewall products, but they're still a bit less if you can find them. I found Netgear and Buffalo units locally, for about $120, with a preference for the latter as it has MANY more configuration options for logging and security. I use the basic 802.11 features to protect the link (WEP/WPA, MAC filtering), and count on my Linux firewall to protect me from wireless "outsiders" just as I expect it to protect me against Internet-based "outsiders". This gives me an extra layer of protection from wireless They have to get IN to the wireless network -- harder but theoretically not impossible -- and then past my firewall rules to actually DO anything, at which point hopefully snort and arpwatch have alerted me). True, a commercial product does the basics, and far more simply. But then, I wouldn't be using Linux for security if I wanted to take the easiest route. I'm checking out the host-based AP efforts, but haven't made that jump quit yet. I do like the little commercial products, as they'll fit into tight places to allow better antenna coverage. - Bob

Dec. 1, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Router/firewall

by Brian J. Conway

I just set up a new Linksys 802.11G wireless router/firewall at my dad's place this past week, and it's fantastic. It did require a firmware upgrade to get everything working like it should (and added some nice filtering functionality at the same time), but overall he was very pleased. My $0.02. -b On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 11:20:37 -0500 (EST) mlong(a)datalong.com wrote: > That is a fair question Doug. I have been experiencing some problems > with my current firewall/router and since there are other brands > available I thought I would see if anyone had any experiences to share. > > > At 11/27/2003 01:38 AM (Thursday), mlong(a)datalong.com wrote: > > > >>I am looking to replace a Linksys router/firewall with a wireless > >>router/firewall > >>solution and was wondering what routers others would recommend. > > > > Err, why not a Linksys wireless router/firewall? > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 30, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Router/firewall

by mlong＠datalong.com

That is a fair question Doug. I have been experiencing some problems with my current firewall/router and since there are other brands available I thought I would see if anyone had any experiences to share. > At 11/27/2003 01:38 AM (Thursday), mlong(a)datalong.com wrote: > >>I am looking to replace a Linksys router/firewall with a wireless >>router/firewall >>solution and was wondering what routers others would recommend. > > Err, why not a Linksys wireless router/firewall? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Nov. 30, 2003

RE: [Wlug] Router/firewall

by Mike

You already have the Linksys router just ad any wireless access point behind it for a reduced cost. This way you can still have a wired network in your house/office and a wireless network as well. An access point without the "router" portion should be cheaper and can offer you more options in control i.e. rules for the wired intranet and different rules for the wireless intranet. I have an older Proxim unit that works well. It uses a PCMCIA card as well as the remote "users" so it's very upgradeable without the need to change the whole unit. ~ Michael LaPointe ~ HorizonNet Communications ~ Http://allLongdistance.com ~ Mailto:mike@alllongdistance.com > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Chamberlin > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 10:24 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Router/firewall > > > At 11/27/2003 01:38 AM (Thursday), mlong(a)datalong.com wrote: > > >I am looking to replace a Linksys router/firewall with a wireless > >router/firewall > >solution and was wondering what routers others would recommend. > > Err, why not a Linksys wireless router/firewall? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 30, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Router/firewall

by Doug Chamberlin

At 11/27/2003 01:38 AM (Thursday), mlong(a)datalong.com wrote: >I am looking to replace a Linksys router/firewall with a wireless >router/firewall >solution and was wondering what routers others would recommend. Err, why not a Linksys wireless router/firewall?

Nov. 30, 2003

new mutt user ?'s

by Bill Mills-Curran

I've made the switch from pine to mutt, and I have 2 questions. 1. Why is mutt so slow in sending outgoing email? Pine delivered outgoing email quickly, but mutt seems MUCH slower -- too slow to even consider that there's a performance problem. It seems to be some issue about how it interfaces with sendmail. (I'm using my own machine as an outgoing relay through my web services provider.) 2. I had set up a filter in pine to move "[SPAM]" subject lines to a different folder. Should I try the same thing with mutt, or should I use procmail? (I'm not sure of the syntax.) mutt syntax? I can't find anything that looks right at all. procmail syntax? I already have spamassassin set up: :0fw: spamassassin.lock | /usr/bin/spamc So I think I need to add: :0 * ^Subject: *\[SPAM\] $HOME/Mail/autospam (I'm a newbie with procmail, too.) TIA, Bill

Nov. 29, 2003

Router/firewall

by mlong＠datalong.com

I am looking to replace a Linksys router/firewall with a wireless router/firewall solution and was wondering what routers others would recommend. Thanks, Mike

Nov. 27, 2003

Ultimate Linux Box

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, I received this e-mail which I am forwarding to you. Go to the website mentioned in the e-mail and register if you are interested in possibly winning the $5000 Ultimate Linux Box as featured in Linux Journal magazine. I'd be happy to let the winner share with me... :-) Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 27, 2003

FYI: J2ME and Sharp Zaurus meeting

by Doug Chamberlin

As a cross ref, I just thought I'd mention an upcoming meeting of the J2ME User Group on Dec 4th at 6pm in Cambridge. The topic of the evening will be the Sharp Zaurus PDA (running Linux, of course) and how to get Java apps, especially networked apps, running on it. Please register at the web site if you intend to come. http://www.altisimo.com/sigj2me.shtml

Nov. 26, 2003

Re: [Wlug] simple debian question

by Gregory Avedissian

Thanks. That worked once I figured out how to deal with a couple of conflicting ID numbers and the fact that Debian puts the user in a private group with the same name as the user, while SuSE puts everyone in the user group. Greg Baris Hasdemir wrote: >If I didn't get you wrong, you can edit the /etc/passwd files in both >distributions, and set the user ID(UID) and group ID(GID) to same >numbers, here is a sample: > >debian:x:500:100:,,,:/home/penguen:/bin/bash > >where 500 is the UID and 100 is the GID > >baris > >On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 13:48, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >>Where do I put commands that I want executed immediately after bootup? >>In suse, I put them in /etc/rc.d/boot.local, but debian has no such >>directory or file. >> >>OK, I lied. Here's the real question. I have two linux installations on >>the same box (suse 7.2 and debian woody). How do I arrange permissions >>so that I can access the user's (my) home directory in the other >>installation without rebooting to that other installation? >> >>I notice that when I look at the home directory on the other system, the >>owner is listed by the user number rather than the name, so what I've >>done is to create a user in debian whose name is the same as the suse >>number for the same user, so that user owns the suse user's home >>directory, then change permissions so all users can read/write that >>directory. That's pretty ugly, and I have to change permissions when I >>reboot suse. There's gotta be an easier, cleaner way. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Greg >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > >

Nov. 26, 2003

WLUG Meetings in 2004

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, The schedule of meetings for the first part of the year 2004 is now posted on the WLUG website. I apologize for not strictly adhering to alternate Wed/ Thurs as I tried to hack around a personal commitment in the March/April timeframe. I hope that this doesn't cause anybody too much grief. If so, let me know. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 26, 2003

WLUG Meeting: Thurs Dec 12 7:00 PM

by Andy Stewart

Hi everybody, I wanted to send this meeting announcement out early for a change. :-) Our next WLUG meeting will actually be a joint meeting with WLUG and the Worcester County IEEE Computer Society. We'll hold the meeting in Olin Hall room 107 (we've been there before) since it seats more people. We're anticipating a larger than normal turnout for this meeting due to the showing of the documentary entitled "Revolution OS" (on DVD!). This documentary runs for 1 hour and 25 minutes. No expertise in Linux is required to understand this documentary. Revolution OS tells the inside story of the hackers who rebelled against the proprietary software model and Microsoft to create GNU/Linux and the Open Source movement. This documentary features interviews with Linus Torvalds, Richard Stallman, Bruce Perens, Eric Raymond, Brian Behlendorf, Michael Tiemann, Larry Augustin, Frank Hecker, and Rob Malda. I've just purchased a few items for the raffle which should arrive prior to the meeting date. The items for raffle are: o a copy of the Revolution OS DVD o a Revolution OS tee shirt o a Revolution OS coffee mug o a Revolution OS poster (11"x7") As always, light refreshments will be served at the meeting. After the meeting, we'll adjourn to the Boynton Restaurant for pizza and beer, and all are invited to attend. -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 26, 2003

Linux System Administration position...

by Andy Stewart

If you are interested in such an opportunity, please send me e-mail and I'll forward the information to you. The job is in Concord, MA. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 26, 2003

Re: [Wlug] text mailer recommendation?

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 06:39:40PM -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > you are interested in my configuration files, or if there is enough > interest I can post them here... hehe. mutt config files are so plentiful and varied, they could be a topic for a meeting! ;) /me hearts mutt -- Randomly Generated Tagline: f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgmmng.

Nov. 26, 2003

Re: [Wlug] text mailer recommendation?

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 06:03:02PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Text-based because I work across a WAN when I access home email from > work & vice-versa. Mutt is included with all recent Red Hat distros, and sounds like what you are looking for: http://www.mutt.org/ "Though written from scratch, Mutt's initial interface was based largely on the ELM mail client. To a large extent, Mutt is still very ELM-like in presentation of information in menus (and in fact, ELM users will find it quite painless to switch as the default key bindings are identical). As development progressed, features found in other popular clients such as PINE and MUSH have been added, the result being a hybrid, or "mutt." At present, it most closely resembles the SLRN news client. Mutt was originally written by Michael Elkins but is now developed and maintained by the members of the Mutt development mailing list." > Connection to xemacs & the gnuclient interface. (I wrote a perl > script to do it.) Mutt can probably be interfaced to gnuclient with perl too. You can set your editor to be anything you want. I tend to use GNU Nano, a Pico clone, since that's where I came from. > It would be nice if my address book ported to the replacement > mailer. Should be simple to convert your Pine address book to a Mutt aliases file: http://www.diku.dk/~pink/pine2mutt_aliases.pl > Interface to LDAP address book server. Mutt can do this: http://mailman.efn.org/pipermail/eug-lug/2003-March/001957.html http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/marius/mutt-ldap.pl > Any suggestions about replacements or just building pine myself? Are > there really problems that make it unattractive? The primary driving force behind me switching away from Pine a couple years ago was the discussion of licensing, and how Pine doesn't fit the definitions of Free or Open Source software. As a result, my situation was very similar to yours, and I customized Mutt to be very similar to Pine w.r.t. key bindings, etc. Feel free to E-mail me if you are interested in my configuration files, or if there is enough interest I can post them here... -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Nov. 25, 2003

text mailer recommendation?

by Bill Mills-Curran

I'm a pine user, and I was looking at the release notes for fedora core 1. Pine is not included due to license and "long term maintenance" issues. I've enjoyed using pine for 8 or more years, and I really like it. I'm disappointed that it won't be continued under Red Hat. (I know I could install it myself. Maybe that's the right answer.) Although I'm not enthusiastic about switching mailers, maybe it's time. My needs are pretty basic: Text-based because I work across a WAN when I access home email from work & vice-versa. Connection to xemacs & the gnuclient interface. (I wrote a perl script to do it.) It would be nice if my address book ported to the replacement mailer. Interface to LDAP address book server. Any suggestions about replacements or just building pine myself? Are there really problems that make it unattractive? TIA, Bill

Nov. 25, 2003

Re: [Wlug] upgrading suse 7.2 to 8.1

by doug waud

Hi Gregory Avedissian wrote: > > Doug, > > Thanks for the info and the link (snip, snip) I need to get > the pro version on cd. I have it and you are welcome to borrow it. (Note how this does not have to be done surrepticiously a la MicroSoft ! :-) ). I can always bring them to the next WLUG meeting if that is easiest. Otherwise, perhaps we could meet somewhere. Let me know. (I live in the north end of Shrewsbury.) I do want them back since I still have that version running on my grandkids boxes. doug

Nov. 25, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Digitally signed e-mails

by brad noyes

On Monday 24 November 2003 10:12, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > My question is this: how do I get someone's public key ? > > with kmail/gnupg it *can* be automagic ... otherwise you could just use the > web interfaces keyservers (like the mit one) provide or the cmdline > interface gnupg provides (it's harsh :D) > here's some nice options i use in my ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf file: > keyserver x-hkp://pgp.mit.edu > keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve > keyserver-options verbose > keyserver-options verbose > keyserver-options verbose There is a KDE front end, kgpg, which is a seperate app, but will be part of the kdenetwork module in the kde3.2 release, sometime in february. It handles importing keys from a key server as well as other gpg functions through a GUI. http://devel-home.kde.org/~kgpg/ --brad

Nov. 25, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Digitally signed e-mails

by Theo Van Dinter

On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 09:32:38AM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > This is clearly not a topic on which I can speak. I'm soliciting volunteers > who might like to address WLUG on this topic. Any takers for the January > meeting? My knowledge isn't such that I can speak about it at length either, but I have held some key signing "parties" (namely the 2 at LISA 2003) and wouldn't mind organizing one for a WLUG meeting. :) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "My stereo's half fixed," said Tom monotonously.

Nov. 24, 2003

Re: [Wlug] simple debian question

by Chuck Homic

On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 01:48:33PM -0500, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Where do I put commands that I want executed immediately after bootup? > In suse, I put them in /etc/rc.d/boot.local, but debian has no such > directory or file. I just created a file called /etc/rc.d/local and ran "update-rc.d local defaults 99" (man update-rc.d for details) I don't know if that's "right" or not, but I know it works. > I notice that when I look at the home directory on the other system, the > owner is listed by the user number rather than the name, so what I've > done is to create a user in debian whose name is the same as the suse > number for the same user, so that user owns the suse user's home > directory, then change permissions so all users can read/write that > directory. That's pretty ugly, and I have to change permissions when I > reboot suse. There's gotta be an easier, cleaner way. You're right. You'll want to choose one single uid-to-username mapping and configure both systems to use it. You can change the numbers in /etc/passwd and /etc/group then chown all the user directories like you've just said. (But in this case, you do it just once.) -Chuck

Nov. 24, 2003

Re: [Wlug] simple debian question

by Baris Hasdemir

If I didn't get you wrong, you can edit the /etc/passwd files in both distributions, and set the user ID(UID) and group ID(GID) to same numbers, here is a sample: debian:x:500:100:,,,:/home/penguen:/bin/bash where 500 is the UID and 100 is the GID baris On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 13:48, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Where do I put commands that I want executed immediately after bootup? > In suse, I put them in /etc/rc.d/boot.local, but debian has no such > directory or file. > > OK, I lied. Here's the real question. I have two linux installations on > the same box (suse 7.2 and debian woody). How do I arrange permissions > so that I can access the user's (my) home directory in the other > installation without rebooting to that other installation? > > I notice that when I look at the home directory on the other system, the > owner is listed by the user number rather than the name, so what I've > done is to create a user in debian whose name is the same as the suse > number for the same user, so that user owns the suse user's home > directory, then change permissions so all users can read/write that > directory. That's pretty ugly, and I have to change permissions when I > reboot suse. There's gotta be an easier, cleaner way. > > Thanks, > > Greg > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 24, 2003

simple debian question

by Gregory Avedissian

Where do I put commands that I want executed immediately after bootup? In suse, I put them in /etc/rc.d/boot.local, but debian has no such directory or file. OK, I lied. Here's the real question. I have two linux installations on the same box (suse 7.2 and debian woody). How do I arrange permissions so that I can access the user's (my) home directory in the other installation without rebooting to that other installation? I notice that when I look at the home directory on the other system, the owner is listed by the user number rather than the name, so what I've done is to create a user in debian whose name is the same as the suse number for the same user, so that user owns the suse user's home directory, then change permissions so all users can read/write that directory. That's pretty ugly, and I have to change permissions when I reboot suse. There's gotta be an easier, cleaner way. Thanks, Greg

Nov. 24, 2003

Re: [Wlug] upgrading suse 7.2 to 8.1

by Gregory Avedissian

Doug, Thanks for the info and the link. As it turns out, the personal version is missing about 120 packages out of what I have installed. I recognized about 30 of them, and the download time is prohibitive. I need to get the pro version on cd. Meanwhile, I really wanted to know if XFree 4.x would work with my card, so I took a spare hard drive and installed debian woody. I installed xfree 4.1 and had to add the 3DLabs driver from xf3.3.6. Apparentlly, there's software to make driver work with the new version, and it works well. I no longer get little squares and dashes instead of letters on some programs. Makes it much easier to figure out which buttons to click when you can read the words. I'd tried debian a couple months ago and was unhappy with the installation process. Someone on this list suggested installing just the base system and then using apt-get to install the other packages I wanted. That seems to work out very well with almost everything (not ALSA). The other reason I wanted to upgrade was to be able to run a newer version of mozilla with junk mail controls. I'm using 1.4, and the junk filters work pretty well. In fact, they work so well that I haven't wanted to boot suse to get my mail. That's part of the reason it's taken me so long to get back to you on this. Thanks again, Greg doug waud wrote: > Hi > > Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >> I'm getting ready to upgrade from SuSE 7.2 to 8.1, and I have a little >> confusion and some questions. >> >> I'm going from 7.2 pro edition to 8.1 personal edition. Any ideas >> what's missing in the personal edition? > > > Up to version 7 SuSE used to list this comparison right on the box. Your > old 7.2 box should give a reasonably good idea of what the general > differnces are. The URL will give the same for 9 > http://www.suse.de/en/private/products/suse_linux/i386/packages.html > I could not find the equivalent for 8.x :-( > >> Attempting to replace what is installed, I get a list of conflicts, >> with advice to delete the old program, even if they don't have a >> replacement. I was surprised to see that balsa and gftp were listed >> as not having newer versions. Is this because they're not on the >> personal edition? I know they exist, because they're available at rpmfind > > > I am running 8.2 on this notebook I am writing on now and locate comes > up with both balsa and gftp (under Yast as uninstalled) so I suspect > they are just not on the personal edition. Also the 9.0 URL above > explicitly lists both in the professional and neither in the personal > edition. > >> The real issue - >> XFree 4.x doesn't seem to want to recognize my ELSA GLoria-L video >> card. Sax2 will run in 640x480 only, and I can't get it to run with >> the glint driver (the one that's supposed to work with this card). I >> tried doing this with the SuSE 8.2 evaluation disk, and I'm running >> into the same problems I had when I tried to upgrade to XFree 4.1 >> about a month ago. >> >> So here's the question - >> Can I upgrade to 8.1 without upgrading XFree? Better yet, if I upgrade >> the XFree, and it doesn't work, is there an easy way to return to the >> older version by using the CD's. Or do I have to manually back up >> /usr/X11R6 and /etc/X11 first, and then recopy them to get back to the >> older version? Will the rest of the SuSE 8.1 be pissed off about >> using XFree 3.3.6? > > > I am "underwhelmed" by Sax2's ability to get XFree right. I have just > been upgrading my desktop to SuSE 8.2 and the screen was all screwed up. > I finally went into /etc/X11/XF86Config and found that it seemed to > think my 1Meg video memory (I'm the last of the big time spenders!} was > 8 Meg. > I just put a VideoRam 1024 in the Device section, dd'd a couple of > 1280x1024 modes, defaulted to 8bit color depth, and X then ran fine. > > I believe you always have the choice of running either 4.x or 3.x but > confess I forget how you tell the beast which one to use. :-). I would > be very suprised if you could not get 4.x to work, but if that really > turns out to be the case, let me know and I'll root around and see if I > can recall the trick for forcing ti to use 3.x. > >> I suppose I could change the vid card, but I'd rather not spend any >> money, > > > That's my sort of guy! > >> and since this one is listed as working, I'd like to be able to get it >> to work. > > > And, as indicated above, you should be able to. > > doug > > PS The WLUG meeting tonight is a good place to get help from real > experts, for example, Andy Whatshisname, and others more knowledgable > than I. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Nov. 24, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Digitally signed e-mails

by Mike Frysinger

On Sunday 23 November 2003 14:00, Andy Stewart wrote: > While I was cleaning out my inbox e-mail folder, I ran across several > e-mails from WLUG members which were digitally signed. I've recently > upgraded to SuSE 9.0 and the 'new' version of KDE's Kmail flags these > e-mails in bright yellow. Kmail is telling me that I don't have the > senders public key available, and thus it isn't sure that the mail actually > camed from the claimed sender. you're probably using one of the latest versions of kmail so pgp integration is a breeze (i think this started around 3.1 with the inclusion of the Ägypten Project) http://kmail.kde.org/ http://www.gnupg.org/aegypten/ a pretty good HOWTO that is generic to any distro: http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html for you Gentoo wh0res: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gnupg-user.xml > My question is this: how do I get someone's public key ? with kmail/gnupg it *can* be automagic ... otherwise you could just use the web interfaces keyservers (like the mit one) provide or the cmdline interface gnupg provides (it's harsh :D) here's some nice options i use in my ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf file: keyserver x-hkp://pgp.mit.edu keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve keyserver-options verbose keyserver-options verbose keyserver-options verbose > 1) How do I know that the public key I'm given really belongs to the person > giving it ? Short of receiving it in person, and assuming that the person > isn't an imposter, I suppose I eventually have to limit my level of > paranoia to some level of trust. :-) you hit it exactly ... there is NO way of knowing for sure unless you meet the person in real life and swap each others keys right then and there (it's actually what a lot of developers do when they meet at places like Linuxworld ... it sets up the basic web of trust pgp is built on) ... but then again we dont all need that level of paranoia when talking with other random wlug users do we ? ;) -mike

Nov. 24, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Digitally signed e-mails

by Andy Stewart

On Monday 24 November 2003 8:43 am, mlong(a)datalong.com wrote: > I smell a topic for a WLUG meeting... :) > This is clearly not a topic on which I can speak. I'm soliciting volunteers who might like to address WLUG on this topic. Any takers for the January meeting? Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 24, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Digitally signed e-mails

by mlong＠datalong.com

I smell a topic for a WLUG meeting... :) >> >> My question is this: how do I get someone's public key ? > > There are public key servers that you can grab the keys from, assuming > that the people uploaded the keys. The default config file for gnupg > specifies a few commented out, so just uncomment one of them for use. >>From there, you use "gpg --recv-key keyid" from the commandline to grab > it. > > You can also have the key e-mail to you, find it on a website, or any > other number of ways that you get any time of file from someone. >

Nov. 24, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Digitally signed e-mails

by Gregory Boyce

On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 14:00, Andy Stewart wrote: > HI everybody, > > While I was cleaning out my inbox e-mail folder, I ran across several e-mails > from WLUG members which were digitally signed. I've recently upgraded to > SuSE 9.0 and the 'new' version of KDE's Kmail flags these e-mails in bright > yellow. Kmail is telling me that I don't have the senders public key > available, and thus it isn't sure that the mail actually camed from the > claimed sender. > > My question is this: how do I get someone's public key ? There are public key servers that you can grab the keys from, assuming that the people uploaded the keys. The default config file for gnupg specifies a few commented out, so just uncomment one of them for use. >From there, you use "gpg --recv-key keyid" from the commandline to grab it. You can also have the key e-mail to you, find it on a website, or any other number of ways that you get any time of file from someone. > Further, that brings up another question in this space: > > 1) How do I know that the public key I'm given really belongs to the person > giving it ? Short of receiving it in person, and assuming that the person > isn't an imposter, I suppose I eventually have to limit my level of paranoia > to some level of trust. :-) There are two main methods. Either verify the fingerprint of the key itself with the owner of the key in a situation where you know for a fact that it is the person. The other method is a web of trust. Basically, you verify someone's key and specify that you trust the key. Then, any key that they have verified and signed will be available to you as signed as well. Just be sure that the person you've chosen to trust is trustworthy security-wise. If they sign a key as legit that they did not verify, then you could have a bad key. the website for gpg has more information: http://www.gnupg.org/ -- Gregory Boyce <gboyce(a)badbelly.com>

Nov. 23, 2003

Digitally signed e-mails

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, While I was cleaning out my inbox e-mail folder, I ran across several e-mails from WLUG members which were digitally signed. I've recently upgraded to SuSE 9.0 and the 'new' version of KDE's Kmail flags these e-mails in bright yellow. Kmail is telling me that I don't have the senders public key available, and thus it isn't sure that the mail actually camed from the claimed sender. My question is this: how do I get someone's public key ? Further, that brings up another question in this space: 1) How do I know that the public key I'm given really belongs to the person giving it ? Short of receiving it in person, and assuming that the person isn't an imposter, I suppose I eventually have to limit my level of paranoia to some level of trust. :-) Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 23, 2003

Re: [Wlug] HMM, no conspiracy after all.

by Steve Freitag

> It seems like it may not be a conspiracy after all. In a search engine my personal preference is for quality of results rather then quantity. If what I am looking for shows up on the first page I'm happy... who wants to wade through a few million results any how. :-) So, try a search of - linux apache - on msn.com and notice that the first six results are about the slapper worm. Hmm...

Nov. 17, 2003

Re: [Wlug] HMM, no conspiracy after all.

by Andy Stewart

On Monday 17 November 2003 12:03 am, Arturo Sedo wrote: > It seems like it may not be a conspiracy after all. Try the advanced search with all words and see how many hits you find. Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 17, 2003

HMM, no conspiracy after all.

by Arturo Sedo

It seems like it may not be a conspiracy after all. Here are some searches I did followed by the resulting number of hits. Search Result ------ ------- mac OS x 48 windows xp 279 Linux 365 windows f*cking sucks 40464 bill gates genius 43093 Conclusion: The msn search engine may actually suck that badly! From: Arturo Sedo <postgres(a)sedo.net> To: WLUG <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>, arturo_sedo(a)raytheon.com Subject: Interesting slashdot article. I didn't think it would be true. It was! Date: 16 Nov 2003 22:55:02 -0500 Here's an exercise for all to try. Search Google for Linux Windows. That gets you about 14 million pages, even with the English preference or filter turned on. Now, go to msn.com and search the Microsoft way for the same two words. You get exactly 18 pages. The word censorship doesn't seem to do justice to what Microsoft has done to a msn user who wants to compare Linux with Windows, does it? According to an MSN's Internet search, the word linux only appears 365 documents. In the entire internet! No wonder they wanted to buy google. Arturo -- Arturo Sedo <postgres(a)sedo.net>

Nov. 17, 2003

Interesting slashdot article. I didn't think it would be true. It was!

by Arturo Sedo

Here's an exercise for all to try. Search Google for Linux Windows. That gets you about 14 million pages, even with the English preference or filter turned on. Now, go to msn.com and search the Microsoft way for the same two words. You get exactly 18 pages. The word censorship doesn't seem to do justice to what Microsoft has done to a msn user who wants to compare Linux with Windows, does it? According to an MSN's Internet search, the word linux only appears 365 documents. In the entire internet! No wonder they wanted to buy google. Arturo -- Arturo Sedo <postgres(a)sedo.net>

Nov. 17, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Revolution OS

by Andy Stewart

On Friday 14 November 2003 4:31 pm, swillis(a)WPI.EDU wrote: > The Worcester Area Student Chapter of the ACM based at WPI will be showing > the film "Revolution OS" (www.revolution-os.com) Friday the 21st at 7:30pm > in Fuller Auditorium, on the WPI campus. We would like to invite all > those in the Worcester Linux Users' Group to join us to watch this film. > If you are unable to make this showing, we'll be showing this at the regularly scheduled WLUG meeting on Thursday, December 11th at 7:00 PM. However you do it, try to get to see this video, its really good ! > The film is a documentary about Linux and the whole open-source/free > software movement. "REVOLUTION OS features interviews with Linus > Torvalds, Richard Stallman, Bruce Perens, Eric Raymond, Brian Behlendorf, > Michael Tiemann, Larry Augustin, Frank Hecker, and Rob Malda. To view the > trailer or the first eight minutes go to the ifilm website for REVOLUTION > OS." -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 15, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Debian to RH 9 Migration

by Keith Wright

> On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Chuck Noyes wrote: <Debian to RedHat "upgrade?"> > > Has anyone tried this? I don't what version of Debian is > > currently being used. Any guidelines for this kind of migration. Well, I had all kinds of trouble upgrading from RH 7.1 to 9, and am about to upgrade from Redhat to Debian instead. RH 9 will not install with less than 64Meg of RAM (approximately). A machine that had been running old RH, Suse, or Debian for years (a "scratch" machine I tried various things on) needed to have new RAM before RH 9 could be installed. Also some versions of RH 9 (e.g. one from a Cheapbytes disk of October vintage) will not boot at all on some CPU's (e.g. Cyrix) I submitted a bug report on this a month ago and so far there is no indication that anyone at RH has even read it. For full story, See: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla Bug number 107806, Kernel oops on boot install If it boots at all, it seems to work well enough. > From: Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> > > Upgrade to some other distro. Of course, that distro also comes "WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE". > Guideline: > 1. make a backup > 2. install new distro > 3. restore the files that you need. That's how I would upgrade even from old Redhat to new Redhat. You probably want ext3, and you really can't upgrade in place from ext2. -- Keith ---- Prepratory to anything else Mr Bloom brushed off the greater bulk of the shavings and handed Stephen the hat and ashplant and bucked him up generally in orthodox Samaritan fashion, which he very badly needed. > -- James Joyce, "Ulysses"

Nov. 15, 2003