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Re: [Wlug] KickStart fedora core 3 minimal exclude @base group

by Mike Frysinger

On Sunday 30 January 2005 09:47 pm, Jared Greenwald wrote: > The answer to all of these questions is one simple word: Gentoo. i dont think that's the answer he was looking for though ;) -mike

Jan. 31, 2005

Re: [Wlug] KickStart fedora core 3 minimal exclude @base group

by Jared Greenwald

The answer to all of these questions is one simple word: Gentoo. I switched to Gentoo a couple years ago when I got fed up with the Redhat/Fedora installer. (I actually interviewed for a job there recently and told the author of the installer - Jeff Katz - I hated it to his face during the interview - needless to say I now work at Oracle.) I've found that for the machine that you want absolute minute control over each package and when you want only the minimum possible packages Gentoo is the answer. I also like it on desktop systems, but you really need something pretty fast or a lot of spare time as Xorg, KDE/Gnome and the mozilla suite take many hours to compile. But that's just my $.02... -Jared On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:44:59 -0500, Matt Higgins <matt.higgins(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I am attempting a minimal fc3 install <500 MB, I was shooting for > <200MB. Looking at the @core package group from comps.xml. My > calculations show this group to be about 130MB and its description tag > reads "<description>Smallest possible installation</description>". > However the "Minimal Install" from the installer is about 530MB. With > some research it looks like, the minimal install is not just @core but > also @base and @dialup. I can easily exclude @dialup by setting the > uservisible tag to true and unselecting this package group. When I try > the same for @base it does not show up in the package selection list? > > So my questions are these > > 1. Is it possible though some ks syntax to exclude a default package > group from my kickstart config ? i.e. -@ PackageGroup ? If this were > possible I may be able to try -@base and -@dialup > leaving only @core. > > 2. Is it possible to not use any package group at all and simply > select the packages I want ? In this case I would just list out all > the rpms in the @core group and thats it .. possibly some extras. > > 3. Is there a way to create your own core package group.. this would > sever the same purpose as number 2 but possibly make it more flexible. > Note I know you can create your own extra package groups my goal is to > modify the existing @core group. > > Some other things to note.. I have to use Fedora and I would like to > have the kickstart totally unattended. I basically have the install > unattended with PXE,TFTP,NFS,DHCP but .. I need to tweak the packages. > > -Matt > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 31, 2005

KickStart fedora core 3 minimal exclude @base group

by Matt Higgins

I am attempting a minimal fc3 install <500 MB, I was shooting for <200MB. Looking at the @core package group from comps.xml. My calculations show this group to be about 130MB and its description tag reads "<description>Smallest possible installation</description>". However the "Minimal Install" from the installer is about 530MB. With some research it looks like, the minimal install is not just @core but also @base and @dialup. I can easily exclude @dialup by setting the uservisible tag to true and unselecting this package group. When I try the same for @base it does not show up in the package selection list? So my questions are these 1. Is it possible though some ks syntax to exclude a default package group from my kickstart config ? i.e. -@ PackageGroup ? If this were possible I may be able to try -@base and -@dialup leaving only @core. 2. Is it possible to not use any package group at all and simply select the packages I want ? In this case I would just list out all the rpms in the @core group and thats it .. possibly some extras. 3. Is there a way to create your own core package group.. this would sever the same purpose as number 2 but possibly make it more flexible. Note I know you can create your own extra package groups my goal is to modify the existing @core group. Some other things to note.. I have to use Fedora and I would like to have the kickstart totally unattended. I basically have the install unattended with PXE,TFTP,NFS,DHCP but .. I need to tweak the packages. -Matt

Jan. 31, 2005

[OT] Yet Another Perl Conference North America 2005 announces call-for-papers

by glim＠mycybernet.net

YAPC::NA 2005 (Yet Another Perl Conference, North America) has just released its call-for-papers; potential and aspiring speakers can submit a presentation proposal via: http://yapc.org/America/cfp-2005.shtml The dates of the conference are Monday - Wednesday 27-29 June 2005. The location will be in downtown Toronto, Ontario, Canada. (Note that a different date block was previously announced, but has been moved to accomodate venue availability.) The close of the call-for-papers is April 18, 2005 at 11:59 pm. If you have any questions regarding the call-for-papers or speaking at YAPC::NA 2005 please email na-author(a)yapc.org We would love to hear from potential sponsors. Please contact the organizers at na-sponsor(a)yapc.org to learn about the benefits of sponsorship. Other information regarding the conference (e.g. venue, registration specifics) will be announced soon. We look forward to your submissions and a great conference!

Jan. 29, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Mailing list server upgrade

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 January 2005 7:05 pm, Frank Sweetser wrote: > The server and mailing list are back up. Thanks, Frank! - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB+ESCHl0iXDssISsRAkz1AJ9iEzQ0ZLEOlZtrHGbtIaCw7n6BkgCeLTy3 8xBVpCCr4oojMTc9IFgb8do= =r34J -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Jan. 27, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Mailing list server upgrade

by Frank Sweetser

The server and mailing list are back up. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

Jan. 27, 2005

Mailing list server upgrade

by Frank Sweetser

The server that hosts the WLUG mailing list will be upgraded today from RH9 to FC3, so the mailing list will be temporarily unavailable. All subscriptions and configuration should remain unchanged. I'll send out another email to the list when the upgrade is complete. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

Jan. 26, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Wireless and FC3

by Mike Leo

Never mind! Its working!! --- Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I have a new Dell D400 with a Broadcom 4309 wireless > card and I have installed FC3 and ndiswrapper. I > have > installed the "correct" Windows .inf file and > everybody is happy. > > when I iwlist wlan0 scan, it lists all the WAP's I > can > see correctly. > > However, I cannot get an IP address via DHCP, and > assigning one staticaly does not work. When i > dhclient wlan0, it finds the WAP, and the DHCP > server, > but refuses to accept an IP. > > My guess is that the ndiswrapper "trick" isn't > working > for this driver. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks > Mike > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Jan. 26, 2005

Websphere MQ Messaging

by Andrew Robert

Hi Everyone, If anyone is interested, I've been compiling some documentation on IBM WebSphere MQ Messaging for the Unix/Linux environment. You can find it on my web site located at http://shardservant.no- ip.info:8080 . -- Andrew Robert <arobert(a)townisp.com>

Jan. 25, 2005

Wireless and FC3

by Mike Leo

I have a new Dell D400 with a Broadcom 4309 wireless card and I have installed FC3 and ndiswrapper. I have installed the "correct" Windows .inf file and everybody is happy. when I iwlist wlan0 scan, it lists all the WAP's I can see correctly. However, I cannot get an IP address via DHCP, and assigning one staticaly does not work. When i dhclient wlan0, it finds the WAP, and the DHCP server, but refuses to accept an IP. My guess is that the ndiswrapper "trick" isn't working for this driver. Any thoughts? Thanks Mike __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Jan. 25, 2005

Re: [Wlug] samba printer config

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 06:31:12PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > I'm floundering trying to get my fedora 3 machine to act as a print > server for an WinXP machine. The linux box is freshly built, and I > just moved my printer from my redhat 9 machine. > > What works: > > 1. Local printing. It's a USB printer, and it worked just fine from > the CUPS setup. > > What doesn't: > > 1. I can't "add printer" on the WinXP machine. > > 2. When I start the smb daemon, I get the following in the smbd log: > > [2005/01/22 18:14:51, 0] printing/nt_printing.c:nt_printing_init(383) > nt_printing_init: error checking published printers: > WERR_ACCESS_DENIED > > This looks like the problem to me, but I'm not sure. When I try to > add the printer in WinXP, I get a popup "Windows cannot connect to the > printer. Operation could not be completed." > > So, I'm stuck. (And under pressure -- my wife can't print!) > > Any advice? > > Thanks, > Bill After trying "everything", including building an older version of samba, I discovered that I had left the "security = share" out of the config file. Just another case of fat-fingering the file. Bill

Jan. 24, 2005

Re: [Wlug] audio on new machine

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 10:49:32AM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: > Well... it's not being utterly depreciated, it's being superseded with > "udev". Basically, the /dev directory has become dynamic. > > http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html > > Explains it quite nicely. > > Tim. > > On Mon, 2005-01-17 at 23:01 -0500, Keith Wright wrote: > > > From: Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 09:50:22AM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: > > > > > > > > You do realize that the /dev/ stuff is being progressively > > depreciated... > > > > Tim. > > > > > > Yeah, I've read about /dev going away, but I have no experience > > with > > > the replacement. > > > > > > BTW, you guys on WLUG are a tremendous resource. > > > > > > Bill > > > > Oh No! Don't let /dev go away! > > > > One of the first things I ever did with my first Linux system back in > > 1996 was accidentally delete /dev. The result was just horrible; > > I don't think I can take that again. > > > > Seriously, I haven't heard that /dev is deprecated. > > Who deprecates it? Where can I read about it going away? > > I assume the deprecator has a new plan well documented somewhere... > > > > -- Keith It turns out the solution was easy (Charles suggested it) -- upgrade. I can't find where the upgrade made the difference, but both my scanner and my cdrom behave now. I've got the right symlinks, too. Just a tip... Don't try to figure out the udev stuff in a hurry. It will make your head hurt. Bill

Jan. 24, 2005

RE: [Wlug] samba printer config

by Jared Greenwald

Not sure what version of samba you are running (I'm running 3.0.9-r1), but I almost exactly copied the config files from the samba howto for a small business network (chapter 4 or 5) and it worked like a champ on the first try. Then again, my file/print server is running Gentoo. Are you sure that your config files are correct? Do you have the permissions setup correctly (ie through a guest or something)? -Jared >From: Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> >Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)wlug.org> >Subject: [Wlug] samba printer config >Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:31:12 -0500 > >I'm floundering trying to get my fedora 3 machine to act as a print >server for an WinXP machine. The linux box is freshly built, and I >just moved my printer from my redhat 9 machine. > >What works: > >1. Local printing. It's a USB printer, and it worked just fine from >the CUPS setup. > >What doesn't: > >1. I can't "add printer" on the WinXP machine. > >2. When I start the smb daemon, I get the following in the smbd log: > >[2005/01/22 18:14:51, 0] printing/nt_printing.c:nt_printing_init(383) > nt_printing_init: error checking published printers: > WERR_ACCESS_DENIED > >This looks like the problem to me, but I'm not sure. When I try to >add the printer in WinXP, I get a popup "Windows cannot connect to the >printer. Operation could not be completed." > >So, I'm stuck. (And under pressure -- my wife can't print!) > >Any advice? > >Thanks, >Bill > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 23, 2005

Re: [Wlug] samba printer config

by Charles R. Anderson

On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 06:52:04PM -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 06:31:12PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > 2. When I start the smb daemon, I get the following in the smbd log: > > > > [2005/01/22 18:14:51, 0] printing/nt_printing.c:nt_printing_init(383) > > nt_printing_init: error checking published printers: > > WERR_ACCESS_DENIED > > When was the last up2date run? Things are moving so quickly these > days, that you may have encountered a bug that has already been fixed > in an update. > > cups has been updated 4 times since FC3 release. > samba has been updated 2 times since FC3 release. > selinux-policy-targeted has been updated 9 times since FC3 release. Looks like it hasn't been fixed yet: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=139477

Jan. 23, 2005

Re: [Wlug] samba printer config

by Charles R. Anderson

On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 06:31:12PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > 2. When I start the smb daemon, I get the following in the smbd log: > > [2005/01/22 18:14:51, 0] printing/nt_printing.c:nt_printing_init(383) > nt_printing_init: error checking published printers: > WERR_ACCESS_DENIED When was the last up2date run? Things are moving so quickly these days, that you may have encountered a bug that has already been fixed in an update. cups has been updated 4 times since FC3 release. samba has been updated 2 times since FC3 release. selinux-policy-targeted has been updated 9 times since FC3 release.

Jan. 22, 2005

samba printer config

by Bill Mills-Curran

I'm floundering trying to get my fedora 3 machine to act as a print server for an WinXP machine. The linux box is freshly built, and I just moved my printer from my redhat 9 machine. What works: 1. Local printing. It's a USB printer, and it worked just fine from the CUPS setup. What doesn't: 1. I can't "add printer" on the WinXP machine. 2. When I start the smb daemon, I get the following in the smbd log: [2005/01/22 18:14:51, 0] printing/nt_printing.c:nt_printing_init(383) nt_printing_init: error checking published printers: WERR_ACCESS_DENIED This looks like the problem to me, but I'm not sure. When I try to add the printer in WinXP, I get a popup "Windows cannot connect to the printer. Operation could not be completed." So, I'm stuck. (And under pressure -- my wife can't print!) Any advice? Thanks, Bill

Jan. 22, 2005

Soundcard gone bad?

by Michael Long

Hi, I have a soundblaster pro sound card that has been working well for several years. Tonight with I started xmms to listen to some music I get a very distorted sound at a very low volume. To test whether the speakers my be the problem I unplugged the external speakers and plugged in a set of headphones directly into the card and get no sound out of the headphones. The last time I listened to music everything was working well. The machine has not been rebooted since the last time I used the sound system. Is there anything else I can do to determine if the soundcard has failed or if the problem lies elsewhere. Thanks, Mike

Jan. 22, 2005

Re: [Wlug] LTSP Linux Administration.

by Jeff Kinz

On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 01:42:44PM -0500, Patrick Sawyer wrote: > Howdy, > We at the Worcester Computer Co-Op had an install fest a while ago > where a few people said they might be able to do some administration > for us. If anyone is still up to the task we would very much > appreciate it. This is what we need. > > 1.Updating our network with new software (this can probably be done remotely?) I may be able to help with some of this. Are you talking about moving to a release 4 version of LTSP? > 2.Getting more machines on the network( we have a strange system, but > have 30 computers which are exactly the same and could be used for for > the network. if someone could figure out how to get one on the network > we could easily get all of them) What is the configuration of these machines? > > > Thanks to all who have helped in the past your time made it possible > to give 10 computers to 10 families!!!! > > Patrick Sawyer > Worcester Computer Co-Op > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Linux/Open Source: Your infrastructure belongs to you, free, forever. Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/ http://kinz.org http://www.fedoratracker.org http://www.fedorafaq.org http://www.fedoranews.org Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA.

Jan. 22, 2005

LTSP Linux Administration.

by Patrick Sawyer

Howdy, We at the Worcester Computer Co-Op had an install fest a while ago where a few people said they might be able to do some administration for us. If anyone is still up to the task we would very much appreciate it. This is what we need. 1.Updating our network with new software (this can probably be done remotely?) 2.Getting more machines on the network( we have a strange system, but have 30 computers which are exactly the same and could be used for for the network. if someone could figure out how to get one on the network we could easily get all of them) Thanks to all who have helped in the past your time made it possible to give 10 computers to 10 families!!!! Patrick Sawyer Worcester Computer Co-Op

Jan. 22, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Linux driver contract opening in MA

by Lee Keyser-Allen

It doesn't unless you have just posted something incorrectly, and feel that you should click the little (and I do mean little) "Show options" link to see why you just humiliated yourself. Of course, if you were to just look at the to: field write about your reply text, you would probably notice who the actual reply goes to, but it's not really one of those things that you (and by 'you', I mean 'I') think to double check. Aw well, live and learn. Now that I know, I will probably double-check for days, maybe weeks, before I lose interest, and forget until the next time ;). So yeah, anyone want a gmail account, I've got a bunch of invites to give away ;P. <plug> Honestly, despite my storry of temporary incompetence (what, it *was* temporary) gmail is actually really nice. It, like pretty much everything that google does, blows any competition it might have out of the water. It is by far the best web-mail app out there, and it offers the most flexibility and features. </plug> So there, feel free to blacklist me so you can avoid this drivel in your inbox. Cheers, Lee On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:03:37 -0500, Josh Huber <huber(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > Lee Keyser-Allen <frozbiz(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > I guess that my new snazzy gmail account confounded me. I would > > think that just hitting reply should reply to the poster of the > > message. Not so. I think that a nice hidden replyto: field may > > have subverted my efforts. > > Could have something to do with the mailing list munging the > Reply-To header...heh. > > Does gmail not show you this header? > > Josh > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Lee Keyser-Allen (lkeyser(a)alum.wpi.edu)

Jan. 21, 2005

RE: [Wlug] networking for dummies

by Martin, Eric

That could be a dhcp issue.... -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Gregory Avedissian Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:57 PM To: perryand(a)yahoo.com; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] networking for dummies I've never messed with wireless (yet) but my first thought would be to try it with a wire, and see if you can get to the internet. That would rule out a bunch of stuff. I'm using SuSe 9.1 and 8.2 on different boxes, and they both connected easily to the internet. One thing I've noticed, and I don't know why, sometimes I have to turn off susefirewall and then turn right back on to connect to the network. Greg Andrew Perry wrote: > Hi All, > > I have a wireless network established at home using > > the latest version of a certain very widely used > operating system whose name I dare not speak. I've > been trying for years to "convert" to Linux, mostly > for ideological reasons, but without much luck. > I've succesfully installed a few distributions of > Linux > onto various PC's (mostly older), and I can play > CD's and use office software with no problem. > > The real deal-breaker (the reason I haven't started > using linux except as a novelty) is that I've never > gotten the internet to work with Linux. With that > other OS, installation of a wireless adapter is easy, > and the OS generally recognizes it instantly. Are > there any linux distros that will do the same thing > (perhaps in conjunction with certain wireless > adapters) ? > > Right now I have SUSE 9.1 (Home) running, and > when I plug in a USB wireless adapter, nothing > happens, and I can't figure out what to do. > > Any advice will be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Andrew > > ===== > -Dr. Andrew B. Perry > Assistant Prof. of Mathematics, Springfield College > 263 Alden St., Springfield MA 01109 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 21, 2005

RE: [Wlug] free tek340/350/360 ink cartridges

by Martin, Eric

Have some of those at my work...those are wax, right? -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Mildram Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:24 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] free tek340/350/360 ink cartridges Corporate antics....i.e. someone left behind (for me to get rid of or trash) mass quantities of new INK colorstix/cartridges for a Tektronix Phaser 340/350/360 printer....which I've never seen. If you have such a beast, reply to me for free supplies! After this hail mary fails, I'll email the BBLISA list..... --doug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 21, 2005

RE: [Wlug] networking for dummies

by Martin, Eric

What chipset is the wireless card? -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Perry Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 12:50 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] networking for dummies Hi All, I have a wireless network established at home using the latest version of a certain very widely used operating system whose name I dare not speak. I've been trying for years to "convert" to Linux, mostly for ideological reasons, but without much luck. I've succesfully installed a few distributions of Linux onto various PC's (mostly older), and I can play CD's and use office software with no problem. The real deal-breaker (the reason I haven't started using linux except as a novelty) is that I've never gotten the internet to work with Linux. With that other OS, installation of a wireless adapter is easy, and the OS generally recognizes it instantly. Are there any linux distros that will do the same thing (perhaps in conjunction with certain wireless adapters) ? Right now I have SUSE 9.1 (Home) running, and when I plug in a USB wireless adapter, nothing happens, and I can't figure out what to do. Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks, Andrew ===== -Dr. Andrew B. Perry Assistant Prof. of Mathematics, Springfield College 263 Alden St., Springfield MA 01109 _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 21, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Linux driver contract opening in MA

by Josh Huber

Lee Keyser-Allen <frozbiz(a)gmail.com> writes: > I guess that my new snazzy gmail account confounded me. I would > think that just hitting reply should reply to the poster of the > message. Not so. I think that a nice hidden replyto: field may > have subverted my efforts. Could have something to do with the mailing list munging the Reply-To header...heh. Does gmail not show you this header? Josh

Jan. 21, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Linux driver contract opening in MA

by Mike Frysinger

On Friday 21 January 2005 09:51 am, Lee Keyser-Allen wrote: > I guess that my new snazzy gmail account confounded me. I would think > that just hitting reply should reply to the poster of the message. Not > so. I think that a nice hidden replyto: field may have subverted my > efforts. yeah, the reply thingies in gmail have screwed me up too before ... i also hate the fact it defaults to top posting in replies :P > What do you do in your spare time? How can you best benefit an > open-source community ;-P. i'm a Gentoo developer (would have never guess that huh!) ... currently i'm the lead for the games team and i co-load the qa/base/toolchain teams. since not too many people wander outside the realm of x86 (and amd64), i'm also the lead for the arm and superh ports. in my spare, spare time, i work on the Gentoo embedded team where i hack on our cross-compiling toolchain capabilities and i help develop uClibc both upstream (http://uclibc.org/) and in integrating it as a drop-in replacement for glibc. working with solar (the other embedded guy i work with), we release uclibc stages for x86/ppc/arm/mips/mipsel. i also enjoy a cold mountain dew beverage and long walks on the beach. if anyone has non-x86 machines to spare, i enjoy donations :) particularly a m68k/coldfire box would be sweet ... Gentoo doesnt have a port for it [yet] anyone else feel like gushing ? ;) -mike

Jan. 21, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Linux driver contract opening in MA

by Lee Keyser-Allen

I guess that my new snazzy gmail account confounded me. I would think that just hitting reply should reply to the poster of the message. Not so. I think that a nice hidden replyto: field may have subverted my efforts. Now that the whole group has a better feel for who I am, I feel that it is your obligation to respond and let me know a little more about yourself. What do you do in your spare time? How can you best benefit an open-source community ;-P. Apologies all, Lee On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:19:10 -0500, Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > On Thursday 20 January 2005 06:51 pm, Keith Wright wrote: > > I found the personal warmth of this memoir of past endeavours and > > aspirations for the future made far more compelling reading than the > > usual dry recital of technical specifications and tedious complaints. > > boy dont i feel like an asshole now ;) > -mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Lee Keyser-Allen (lkeyser(a)alum.wpi.edu)

Jan. 21, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Linux driver contract opening in MA

by Mike Frysinger

On Thursday 20 January 2005 06:51 pm, Keith Wright wrote: > I found the personal warmth of this memoir of past endeavours and > aspirations for the future made far more compelling reading than the > usual dry recital of technical specifications and tedious complaints. boy dont i feel like an asshole now ;) -mike

Jan. 21, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Linux driver contract opening in MA

by Keith Wright

> From: Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> > > On Thursday 20 January 2005 04:56 pm, Lee Keyser-Allen wrote: > > Hey there, > > way to respond to wrong people ;) > -mike I found the personal warmth of this memoir of past endeavours and aspirations for the future made far more compelling reading than the usual dry recital of technical specifications and tedious complaints. -- Keith

Jan. 20, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Linux driver contract opening in MA

by Mike Frysinger

On Thursday 20 January 2005 04:56 pm, Lee Keyser-Allen wrote: > Hey there, way to respond to wrong people ;) -mike

Jan. 20, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Linux driver contract opening in MA

by Lee Keyser-Allen

Hey there, I want to preface this by saying that I have no specific experience in an embedded Linux development environment. That said, I have written Linux device drivers (PCMCIA) in the past, and I have extensive embedded development experience in my current position. (I can send you my CV, if that would help.) What is the duration/onsite requirement of the project? I am currently working full-time, but could be enticed away for a long-term contract, or I could do some on-the-side sort of work if the workload was less intense. Just putting out feelers. Thanks, Lee On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:41:03 -0500, John Spencer <JSpencer(a)optimaleng.com> wrote: > Hello to All, > My client has a new opening for a SR LEVEL Linux drivers contractor in > northern MA. The details are as follows: > > Description > Develop hardware drivers and diagnostics in an embedded Linux environment. > We are looking for someone with extensive experience with embedded Linux and > writing hardware device drivers. Good communications skills are essential > to this position. > > Skills > Experience with > - Writing device drivers under Linux > - Motorola/IBM (PowerPC) CPUs > - Ethernet switches > - PCI bridges > - DSP devices > - 'C' programming > - Responsible for drivers to interface hardware to application software > > Please call me or email me to discuss your background and this opening in > more detail. Please note your resume will not be sent anywhere without your > prior approval. > > Regards, > John > > John Spencer > (978) 256-1113 ext 108 > jspencer(a)optimaleng.com > > > OPTIMAL ENGINEERING PARTNERS > "Your Optimal partner for real-time, embedded and systems development > expertise" > > www.optimalengineering.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > -- Lee Keyser-Allen (lkeyser(a)alum.wpi.edu)

Jan. 20, 2005

Linux driver contract opening in MA

by John Spencer

Hello to All, My client has a new opening for a SR LEVEL Linux drivers contractor in northern MA. The details are as follows: Description Develop hardware drivers and diagnostics in an embedded Linux environment. We are looking for someone with extensive experience with embedded Linux and writing hardware device drivers. Good communications skills are essential to this position. Skills Experience with - Writing device drivers under Linux - Motorola/IBM (PowerPC) CPUs - Ethernet switches - PCI bridges - DSP devices - 'C' programming - Responsible for drivers to interface hardware to application software Please call me or email me to discuss your background and this opening in more detail. Please note your resume will not be sent anywhere without your prior approval. Regards, John John Spencer (978) 256-1113 ext 108 jspencer(a)optimaleng.com OPTIMAL ENGINEERING PARTNERS "Your Optimal partner for real-time, embedded and systems development expertise" www.optimalengineering.com

Jan. 20, 2005

Re: [Wlug] audio on new machine

by Keller, Tim

Well... it's not being utterly depreciated, it's being superseded with "udev". Basically, the /dev directory has become dynamic. http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html Explains it quite nicely. Tim. On Mon, 2005-01-17 at 23:01 -0500, Keith Wright wrote: > > From: Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> > > > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 09:50:22AM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: > > > > > > You do realize that the /dev/ stuff is being progressively > depreciated... > > > Tim. > > > > Yeah, I've read about /dev going away, but I have no experience > with > > the replacement. > > > > BTW, you guys on WLUG are a tremendous resource. > > > > Bill > > Oh No! Don't let /dev go away! > > One of the first things I ever did with my first Linux system back in > 1996 was accidentally delete /dev. The result was just horrible; > I don't think I can take that again. > > Seriously, I haven't heard that /dev is deprecated. > Who deprecates it? Where can I read about it going away? > I assume the deprecator has a new plan well documented somewhere... > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 20, 2005

Re: [Wlug] free tek340/350/360 ink cartridges

by Keller, Tim

If I were you, I wouldn't just give those away... Tektronix printers are notoriously expensive... i.e our printer here costs a 1.50 everytime you hit the print button (but it'll print poster quality images) you might have good luck selling them on Ebay... Tim. On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 15:23 -0500, Doug Mildram wrote: > Corporate antics....i.e. someone left behind (for me to get rid of or > trash) > mass quantities of new INK colorstix/cartridges > for a Tektronix Phaser 340/350/360 printer....which I've never seen. > > If you have such a beast, reply to me for free supplies! > After this hail mary fails, I'll email the BBLISA list..... > --doug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 20, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Live Distro with VPN support

by Scott Venier

poptop is a pptp server (unless they've recently added client support to it). I think he's looking for client setup. If so, check out the linux pptp client at http://pptpclient.sf.net Scott Karl Hiramoto said: > Sean, if you trying to use a PPTP based VPN, then you should check this > out. with Gentoo Linux you just "emerge pptpd" and then configure which > is a little non trivial, but you just have to RTFM. > > http://www.poptop.org > > > > Skip Gaede wrote: > > >> Sean, >> >> >> What I think you actually want is the VPN solution that used to be >> called FreeSWAN. The product has been discontinued, but there are now Two >> groups developing the product. The basic idea is that it implements >> IPSEC using either shared keys or X.509 certificates. The certificates >> can be generated by your server, and all Windows versions except W95 can >> setup a VPN connection. Nate Carlson and Jacco de Leeuw have tutorials >> >> http://www.jacco2.dds.nl/networking/win2000xp-freeswan.html >> >> >> --Skip >> >> >> --- Sean Flynn <sflynn(a)flynnsplaza.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> I apologize if this has already been discussed, but after some >>> cursory googling and searching I haven't found an answer yet. >>> >>> I am the "computer guy" for our heating oil company. >>> The heating oil >>> software is running on a SCO box, and everyone in the office connects >>> to it over our Windows network. After hours people need to connect >>> to the SCO box to check customer information. Currently they do it >>> through their own windoze PCs with their own high speed internet, or >>> through a company laptop through dial up. >>> >>> Using their own high speed access makes things much quicker and we >>> have subsidized access for some of the people. But since it is >>> windows, their PCs are often screwed up, and I get many after hours >>> calls saying, "I can't connect to the VPN or I can't connect to the >>> Internet". >>> >>> >>> I have played with Knoppix and absolutely love how it can recognize >>> hardware, and I have installed Suse on a home system to play with for >>> myself, but I have little knowledge of Linux. >>> >>> Is their a live CD like Knoppix that has microsoft VPN support, that >>> the remote users can pop it in their system, restart, connect to the >>> microsft VPN and open a terminal window to the SCO box? >>> >>> Any suggestions would be appreciated. >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> Sean Flynn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> > > -- > > > --- > Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > US VOIP: 603.966.4448 > Spain Home from US 011(34) 952.827.554 > Spain Home from EU 00 (34) 952.827.554 > Spain Mobil 011 (34) 617.463.826 > Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto jabber.org=karl_hiramoto > ------ > - > Look ere ye leap. > -- John Heywood > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Jan. 20, 2005

Re: [Wlug] key mapping on Fedora 3

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] key mapping on Fedora 3; Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> adds: bill> On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 09:55:44AM -0500, Jeff Moyer wrote: >> ==> Regarding [Wlug] key mapping on Fedora 3; Bill Mills-Curran >> <bill(a)mills-curran.net> adds: >> bill> I'm a little surprised at the differences in default key mappings in bill> F3 as compared to RH9. Maybe it's just me, but my old key mappings bill> are "implanted" and so automatic that's it's unpleasant to adjust. >> bill> One thing I miss is the ability to make the default edits act like bill> emacs. In particular, RH9 had an option on the keyboard shortcuts to bill> select either "gnome defaults" or "emacs". When I selected "emacs", bill> that affected mozilla/firefox, so that traditional shortcuts (like bill> <ctrl>u deleting all text on the URL box or a text entry box) worked bill> like the "old days". >> bill> Is there another way to do this, or do I need to learn new shortcuts? >> Go to Application -> System Tools -> Configuration Editor >> >> Then desktop -> gnome -> interface and type in "Emacs" in the >> "gtk_key_theme" field. >> >> Alternatively: >> >> put this: gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs" >> >> in your .gtkrc-2.0 file. >> >> -Jeff bill> Jeff, bill> Worked great. How did you find this one? I don't use gnome. I happened to see some flamewar on this on an internal mailing list, so I just dug up the details. -Jeff

Jan. 20, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Live Distro with VPN support

by Karl Hiramoto

Sean, if you trying to use a PPTP based VPN, then you should check this out. with Gentoo Linux you just "emerge pptpd" and then configure which is a little non trivial, but you just have to RTFM. http://www.poptop.org Skip Gaede wrote: >Sean, > >What I think you actually want is the VPN solution that used to be >called FreeSWAN. The product has been discontinued, but there are now >Two groups developing the product. The basic idea is that it implements >IPSEC using either shared keys or X.509 certificates. The certificates >can be generated by your server, and all Windows versions except W95 >can setup a VPN connection. Nate Carlson and Jacco de Leeuw have tutorials > >http://www.jacco2.dds.nl/networking/win2000xp-freeswan.html > >--Skip > >--- Sean Flynn <sflynn(a)flynnsplaza.com> wrote: > > > >>I apologize if this has already been discussed, but after some cursory >>googling and searching I haven't found an answer yet. >> >>I am the "computer guy" for our heating oil company. >> The heating oil >>software is running on a SCO box, and everyone in the office connects >>to it over our Windows network. After hours people need to connect to >>the SCO box to check customer information. Currently they do it >>through their own windoze PCs with their own high speed internet, or >>through a company laptop through dial up. >> >>Using their own high speed access makes things much quicker and we >>have subsidized access for some of the people. But since it is >>windows, their PCs are often screwed up, and I get many after hours >>calls saying, "I can't connect to the VPN or I can't connect to the >>Internet". >> >>I have played with Knoppix and absolutely love how it can recognize >>hardware, and I have installed Suse on a home system to play with for >>myself, but I have little knowledge of Linux. >> >>Is their a live CD like Knoppix that has microsoft VPN support, that >>the remote users can pop it in their system, restart, connect to the >>microsft VPN and open a terminal window to the SCO box? >> >>Any suggestions would be appreciated. >> >>Thanks >> >>Sean Flynn >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > -- --- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> US VOIP: 603.966.4448 Spain Home from US 011(34) 952.827.554 Spain Home from EU 00 (34) 952.827.554 Spain Mobil 011 (34) 617.463.826 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto jabber.org=karl_hiramoto ------ - Look ere ye leap. -- John Heywood

Jan. 20, 2005

RE: [Wlug] Live Distro with VPN support

by Skip Gaede

Sean, What I think you actually want is the VPN solution that used to be called FreeSWAN. The product has been discontinued, but there are now Two groups developing the product. The basic idea is that it implements IPSEC using either shared keys or X.509 certificates. The certificates can be generated by your server, and all Windows versions except W95 can setup a VPN connection. Nate Carlson and Jacco de Leeuw have tutorials http://www.jacco2.dds.nl/networking/win2000xp-freeswan.html --Skip --- Sean Flynn <sflynn(a)flynnsplaza.com> wrote: > I apologize if this has already been discussed, but after some cursory > googling and searching I haven't found an answer yet. > > I am the "computer guy" for our heating oil company. > The heating oil > software is running on a SCO box, and everyone in the office connects > to it over our Windows network. After hours people need to connect to > the SCO box to check customer information. Currently they do it > through their own windoze PCs with their own high speed internet, or > through a company laptop through dial up. > > Using their own high speed access makes things much quicker and we > have subsidized access for some of the people. But since it is > windows, their PCs are often screwed up, and I get many after hours > calls saying, "I can't connect to the VPN or I can't connect to the > Internet". > > I have played with Knoppix and absolutely love how it can recognize > hardware, and I have installed Suse on a home system to play with for > myself, but I have little knowledge of Linux. > > Is their a live CD like Knoppix that has microsoft VPN support, that > the remote users can pop it in their system, restart, connect to the > microsft VPN and open a terminal window to the SCO box? > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Sean Flynn > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 20, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Live Distro with VPN support

by Mike Leo

I have never done it myself, but you can take the knoppix cd and add your own software too it, then "remake" the knoppix cd. My question is if there is a vpn client for linux that will connect to your MS VPN. --- Sean Flynn <sflynn(a)flynnsplaza.com> wrote: > I apologize if this has already been discussed, but > after some cursory > googling and searching I haven't found an answer > yet. > > I am the "computer guy" for our heating oil company. > The heating oil > software is running on a SCO box, and everyone in > the office connects to > it over our Windows network. After hours people > need to connect to the > SCO box to check customer information. Currently > they do it through > their own windoze PCs with their own high speed > internet, or through a > company laptop through dial up. > > Using their own high speed access makes things much > quicker and we have > subsidized access for some of the people. But since > it is windows, > their PCs are often screwed up, and I get many after > hours calls saying, > "I can't connect to the VPN or I can't connect to > the Internet". > > I have played with Knoppix and absolutely love how > it can recognize > hardware, and I have installed Suse on a home system > to play with for > myself, but I have little knowledge of Linux. > > Is their a live CD like Knoppix that has microsoft > VPN support, that the > remote users can pop it in their system, restart, > connect to the > microsft VPN and open a terminal window to the SCO > box? > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Sean Flynn > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Jan. 20, 2005

Re: [Wlug] key mapping on Fedora 3

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 09:55:44AM -0500, Jeff Moyer wrote: > ==> Regarding [Wlug] key mapping on Fedora 3; Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> adds: > > bill> I'm a little surprised at the differences in default key mappings in > bill> F3 as compared to RH9. Maybe it's just me, but my old key mappings > bill> are "implanted" and so automatic that's it's unpleasant to adjust. > > bill> One thing I miss is the ability to make the default edits act like > bill> emacs. In particular, RH9 had an option on the keyboard shortcuts to > bill> select either "gnome defaults" or "emacs". When I selected "emacs", > bill> that affected mozilla/firefox, so that traditional shortcuts (like > bill> <ctrl>u deleting all text on the URL box or a text entry box) worked > bill> like the "old days". > > bill> Is there another way to do this, or do I need to learn new shortcuts? > > Go to Application -> System Tools -> Configuration Editor > > Then desktop -> gnome -> interface and type in "Emacs" in the > "gtk_key_theme" field. > > Alternatively: > > put this: > gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs" > > in your .gtkrc-2.0 file. > > -Jeff Jeff, Worked great. How did you find this one? Thanks, Bill

Jan. 20, 2005

Fwd: SearchEnterpriseLinux.com article on Red Hat Linux v.4

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi WLUG, Does anybody in the group have anything they'd like to contribute to this News Writer? If so, please mail him directly. Thanks! Andy - ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: SearchEnterpriseLinux.com article on Red Hat Linux v.4 Date: Wednesday 19 January 2005 1:45 pm From: "Loftus, Jack" <JLoftus(a)techtarget.com> To: <andystewart(a)comcast.net> Hello Andy, My name is Jack Loftus, and I am a News Writer with SearchEnterpriseLinux.com, a web site with the TechTarget media company, based in Needham, Mass. I'm writing your group today with the hope that you or one of your members could comment for a story I am writing on the upcoming release of Red Hat Linux 4. While an exact date is not yet available for publication, it is "rumored" to be at the same time as LinuxWorld Boston in February (February 14). If you are able to comment, you can call me at the number below up until 5 p.m. EST, or if you cannot reach me or are short on time, you can answer the general questions I have provided below, or add any additional comments you feel are important. I appreciate your time and look forward to speaking with you. Even if no member of your organization uses or has used Red Hat, I'd still appreciate your comments. * What are you looking for from this version? If you don't plan on taking a look at it, why not? * Does the fact that the 2.6 kernel is fully supported by v.4 give this version any clout, or is it just a case of "finally Red Hat has caught up to supporting the 2.6 kernel? (Novell has had them beat since August) * As users of Linux, is this version something that has been desired/needed? A "milestone" as it has been reported by some? * Does this version have the clout to get Linux widespread attention on the desktop, and not just the server space? Thanks again, Jack Loftus News Writer SearchEnterpriseLinux.com TechTarget Phone: 781-657-1557 Toll Free: 888-274-4111 x1557 TechTarget The Most Targeted IT Media www.TechTarget.com - ------------------------------------------------------- - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB7xBXHl0iXDssISsRAlXFAJ9TTtFubREpRe7m39X0UKL1X5jDOACfckfS XGC1vKMkTGGFuiB5hJMxF5M= =KrjI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Jan. 20, 2005

Re: [Wlug] networking for dummies

by Charles R. Anderson

On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 09:49:41AM -0800, Andrew Perry wrote: > other OS, installation of a wireless adapter is easy, > and the OS generally recognizes it instantly. Are > there any linux distros that will do the same thing > (perhaps in conjunction with certain wireless > adapters) ? You might try the newest release of a distro. With Fedora Core 3 there have been vast improvements in the area of hardware hotplugging, detection, and configuration integrated with the desktop. There is still more work to do, but it is getting better all the time. I'm not aware specifically of which USB adapters work best. These resources might be useful: SuSE Hardware Database: http://hardwaredb.suse.de/?LANG=en_US Generic Linux USB/Networking/Wireless resources: http://www.linux-usb.org/devices.html#net http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Wireless-HOWTO.html http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ Finally, you could always bring your machine to a WLUG meeting, and someone could probably give a try at making it work :-) Maybe we need another Linux Install/Configure Fest!

Jan. 20, 2005

Re: [Wlug] networking for dummies

by Gregory Avedissian

I've never messed with wireless (yet) but my first thought would be to try it with a wire, and see if you can get to the internet. That would rule out a bunch of stuff. I'm using SuSe 9.1 and 8.2 on different boxes, and they both connected easily to the internet. One thing I've noticed, and I don't know why, sometimes I have to turn off susefirewall and then turn right back on to connect to the network. Greg Andrew Perry wrote: > Hi All, > > I have a wireless network established at home using > > the latest version of a certain very widely used > operating system whose name I dare not speak. I've > been trying for years to "convert" to Linux, mostly > for ideological reasons, but without much luck. > I've succesfully installed a few distributions of > Linux > onto various PC's (mostly older), and I can play > CD's and use office software with no problem. > > The real deal-breaker (the reason I haven't started > using linux except as a novelty) is that I've never > gotten the internet to work with Linux. With that > other OS, installation of a wireless adapter is easy, > and the OS generally recognizes it instantly. Are > there any linux distros that will do the same thing > (perhaps in conjunction with certain wireless > adapters) ? > > Right now I have SUSE 9.1 (Home) running, and > when I plug in a USB wireless adapter, nothing > happens, and I can't figure out what to do. > > Any advice will be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Andrew > > ===== > -Dr. Andrew B. Perry > Assistant Prof. of Mathematics, Springfield College > 263 Alden St., Springfield MA 01109 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 20, 2005

free tek340/350/360 ink cartridges

by Doug Mildram

Corporate antics....i.e. someone left behind (for me to get rid of or trash) mass quantities of new INK colorstix/cartridges for a Tektronix Phaser 340/350/360 printer....which I've never seen. If you have such a beast, reply to me for free supplies! After this hail mary fails, I'll email the BBLISA list..... --doug

Jan. 19, 2005

RE: [Wlug] networking for dummies

by Jared Greenwald

Do you have wlan-ng installed? You will need to know what driver the adapter needs. What does lsusb (or lsusb -v) look like when the adapter is installed? -Jared >From: Andrew Perry <perryand(a)yahoo.com> >Reply-To: perryand(a)yahoo.com, Worcester Linux Users Group ><wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: [Wlug] networking for dummies >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:49:41 -0800 (PST) > > >Hi All, > > I have a wireless network established at home using > >the latest version of a certain very widely used >operating system whose name I dare not speak. I've >been trying for years to "convert" to Linux, mostly >for ideological reasons, but without much luck. >I've succesfully installed a few distributions of >Linux >onto various PC's (mostly older), and I can play >CD's and use office software with no problem. > >The real deal-breaker (the reason I haven't started >using linux except as a novelty) is that I've never >gotten the internet to work with Linux. With that >other OS, installation of a wireless adapter is easy, >and the OS generally recognizes it instantly. Are >there any linux distros that will do the same thing >(perhaps in conjunction with certain wireless >adapters) ? > >Right now I have SUSE 9.1 (Home) running, and >when I plug in a USB wireless adapter, nothing >happens, and I can't figure out what to do. > >Any advice will be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Andrew > >===== >-Dr. Andrew B. Perry >Assistant Prof. of Mathematics, Springfield College >263 Alden St., Springfield MA 01109 >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 19, 2005

networking for dummies

by Andrew Perry

Hi All, I have a wireless network established at home using the latest version of a certain very widely used operating system whose name I dare not speak. I've been trying for years to "convert" to Linux, mostly for ideological reasons, but without much luck. I've succesfully installed a few distributions of Linux onto various PC's (mostly older), and I can play CD's and use office software with no problem. The real deal-breaker (the reason I haven't started using linux except as a novelty) is that I've never gotten the internet to work with Linux. With that other OS, installation of a wireless adapter is easy, and the OS generally recognizes it instantly. Are there any linux distros that will do the same thing (perhaps in conjunction with certain wireless adapters) ? Right now I have SUSE 9.1 (Home) running, and when I plug in a USB wireless adapter, nothing happens, and I can't figure out what to do. Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks, Andrew ===== -Dr. Andrew B. Perry Assistant Prof. of Mathematics, Springfield College 263 Alden St., Springfield MA 01109

Jan. 19, 2005

Live Distro with VPN support

by Sean Flynn

I apologize if this has already been discussed, but after some cursory googling and searching I haven't found an answer yet. I am the "computer guy" for our heating oil company. The heating oil software is running on a SCO box, and everyone in the office connects to it over our Windows network. After hours people need to connect to the SCO box to check customer information. Currently they do it through their own windoze PCs with their own high speed internet, or through a company laptop through dial up. Using their own high speed access makes things much quicker and we have subsidized access for some of the people. But since it is windows, their PCs are often screwed up, and I get many after hours calls saying, "I can't connect to the VPN or I can't connect to the Internet". I have played with Knoppix and absolutely love how it can recognize hardware, and I have installed Suse on a home system to play with for myself, but I have little knowledge of Linux. Is their a live CD like Knoppix that has microsoft VPN support, that the remote users can pop it in their system, restart, connect to the microsft VPN and open a terminal window to the SCO box? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Sean Flynn

Jan. 19, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing

by Bill Smith

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:37:14 -0500 Marc Hughes <marc.hughes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > One day, go in, and exchange the software for an identical title > because "the media is damaged and won't install". I've never seen a > store who won't offer even exchanges for defective product. :) Would be an idea, except most software these days comes on CDROM. This particular game is on FLOPPIES.... > On another day, return the newly shrinkwrapped package. Clever.... <g> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com There are 10 kinds of people in the universe: Those who understand binary, and those who don't. * TAG! v3.1a *

Jan. 19, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing

by Marc Hughes

> the book they wanted me to refer to! Didn't take long > for me to un-install it, but I couldn't return it because it > was already opened. One day, go in, and exchange the software for an identical title because "the media is damaged and won't install". I've never seen a store who won't offer even exchanges for defective product. On another day, return the newly shrinkwrapped package. -Marc

Jan. 19, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing

by Bill Smith

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:11:53 -0500 Gregory Avedissian <gma2004(a)verizon.net> wrote: > Wow. I'm surprised at that. I returned a CD burner that stopped > working after a few burns, and they gave me no hassel at all. They > took it back and gave me credit. That's because the burner is hardware. If software is opened, it is assumed that a copy could have been made of the original. There are enough dishonest people that this has become the norm, unfortunately. 8( It was because of things like this that some software people started integrating things like keys mid-game (the game would only go so far, unless you were able to provide the fifth word of the second paragraph on page 57, for example). I hated that because a game that my wife bought for me years ago (Dune II) did that, and when I went to look for the key, I seemed to have everything in the box EXCEPT the book they wanted me to refer to! Didn't take long for me to un-install it, but I couldn't return it because it was already opened. > There were no other CD burners of the same model left on the shelf, so > I went and looked at some other stuff. A few minutes later, I went > back to look at other CD burners, and there was one burner on the > shelf of the same model that I'd bought. It was obvious that the > package had been opened and re-sealed. I didn't take it. Heh. Want to lay odds that if you had marked it somehow, your mark would have been on that one? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com Blonde Klingon: Because it was a good day to dye. * TAG! v3.1a *

Jan. 19, 2005

RE: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing

by Martin, Eric

That sounds like a security box that you need a special lock for...surprised you got that out of the store -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Mills-Curran Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:38 PM To: Justin Odom; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing This isn't just heavy bubble pack -- This is a rigid plastic (about 1/8" thick) with a hinged top. The top doesn't open by any obvious means. The the top is opaque grey plastic, and there's a metal mechanism inside. (A magnet is attracted to it.) I'm guessing that a sufficiently strong magnet would release a latch/interlock to allow easy opening. I'm sure it was a mistake that they didn't remove the memory package (a normal cardboard retail shelf packaging) from this "armored box", because most people would not be able to get it open. I'm going to use my cutoff saw to attack it. On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 10:19:45PM -0500, Justin Odom wrote: > slice it with a razor blade on back, they wont charge you if you want > to return it. > > I worked at that horrible place for over a year :-p > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:23:59 -0800 (PST), Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > I think they do that so you can't return it opened and > > not be charge some fee for damaging the package....but > > then again, I always think the man is trying to keep > > me down! > > > > --- Marc Hughes <marc.hughes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I wonder what the relative melting points of plastic > > > and silicon are... > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:47:10 -0500, Bill > > > Mills-Curran > > > <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > > > > Along with my new computer, my wife also picked up > > > some memory for me. > > > > It's in the bullet-proof plastic case. I'm > > > assuming that they made a > > > > mistake and meant to take the memory (with it's > > > normal cardboard > > > > packaging) out of this tough plastic. There's no > > > non-destructive way > > > > to open this plastic case without destroying it. > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > > http://my.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 18, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing

by Gregory Avedissian

Wow. I'm surprised at that. I returned a CD burner that stopped working after a few burns, and they gave me no hassel at all. They took it back and gave me credit. There were no other CD burners of the same model left on the shelf, so I went and looked at some other stuff. A few minutes later, I went back to look at other CD burners, and there was one burner on the shelf of the same model that I'd bought. It was obvious that the package had been opened and re-sealed. I didn't take it. Greg Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > I had a huge hassle returning a video game that I bought for my son. > The game would not work on the system we had (video card issues), even > though the box didn't list any limitations. Because we opened the > box, they were not going to accept a return. I had to get real > insistent.

Jan. 18, 2005

Re: [Wlug] key mapping on Fedora 3

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding [Wlug] key mapping on Fedora 3; Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> adds: bill> I'm a little surprised at the differences in default key mappings in bill> F3 as compared to RH9. Maybe it's just me, but my old key mappings bill> are "implanted" and so automatic that's it's unpleasant to adjust. bill> One thing I miss is the ability to make the default edits act like bill> emacs. In particular, RH9 had an option on the keyboard shortcuts to bill> select either "gnome defaults" or "emacs". When I selected "emacs", bill> that affected mozilla/firefox, so that traditional shortcuts (like bill> <ctrl>u deleting all text on the URL box or a text entry box) worked bill> like the "old days". bill> Is there another way to do this, or do I need to learn new shortcuts? Go to Application -> System Tools -> Configuration Editor Then desktop -> gnome -> interface and type in "Emacs" in the "gtk_key_theme" field. Alternatively: put this: gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs" in your .gtkrc-2.0 file. -Jeff

Jan. 18, 2005

RE: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing

by Simoncini, Matthew

Yeah it's more fun to take a "laser" and cut through the damned plastic, but you never know, maybe they have some tech guys that are evil doctors and will throw you a bone. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Mills-Curran Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:20 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing Sorry Justin, I meant to reply to Matt's comment. Bill On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 08:19:08AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Gee, Justin, where's the fun in that? :-) > > Actually, it's easier to saw it off than it is to go to Best Buy. > Also, they're a nasty bunch when it looks like you're trying to do > something out of the ordinary. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd > claim I stole it if I went back to the store, even though I have a > receipt. > > I had a huge hassle returning a video game that I bought for my son. > The game would not work on the system we had (video card issues), even > though the box didn't list any limitations. Because we opened the > box, they were not going to accept a return. I had to get real > insistent. > > The only reason I have something from Best Buy is because my wife > bought it. I'm won't go there if I have any choice. > > Bill > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 07:09:40AM -0500, Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > > I've been sort of keeping an eye on this thread and if someone has > > suggested this, please don't flame me, but why not just call BB and > > ask them what to do? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > > > [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Mills-Curran > > > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:38 PM > > > To: Justin Odom; Worcester Linux Users Group > > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing > > > > > > This isn't just heavy bubble pack -- This is a rigid plastic > > > (about 1/8" thick) with a hinged top. The top doesn't open by any > > > obvious means. The the top is opaque grey plastic, and there's a > > > metal mechanism inside. (A magnet is attracted to it.) I'm > > > guessing that a sufficiently strong magnet would release a > > > latch/interlock to allow easy opening. > > > > > > I'm sure it was a mistake that they didn't remove the memory > > > package (a normal cardboard retail shelf packaging) from this > > > "armored box", because most people would not be able to get it > > > open. I'm going to use my cutoff saw to attack it. > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 10:19:45PM -0500, Justin Odom wrote: > > > > slice it with a razor blade on back, they wont charge you > > > if you want > > > > to return it. > > > > > > > > I worked at that horrible place for over a year :-p > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:23:59 -0800 (PST), Mike Leo > > > <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > I think they do that so you can't return it opened and > > > not be charge > > > > > some fee for damaging the package....but then again, I > > > always think > > > > > the man is trying to keep me down! > > > > > > > > > > --- Marc Hughes <marc.hughes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder what the relative melting points of plastic > > > and silicon > > > > > > are... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:47:10 -0500, Bill Mills-Curran > > > > > > <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > > > > > > > Along with my new computer, my wife also picked up > > > > > > some memory for me. > > > > > > > It's in the bullet-proof plastic case. I'm > > > > > > assuming that they made a > > > > > > > mistake and meant to take the memory (with it's > > > > > > normal cardboard > > > > > > > packaging) out of this tough plastic. There's no > > > > > > non-destructive way > > > > > > > to open this plastic case without destroying it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > > > > > http://my.yahoo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 18, 2005

key mapping on Fedora 3

by Bill Mills-Curran

I'm a little surprised at the differences in default key mappings in F3 as compared to RH9. Maybe it's just me, but my old key mappings are "implanted" and so automatic that's it's unpleasant to adjust. One thing I miss is the ability to make the default edits act like emacs. In particular, RH9 had an option on the keyboard shortcuts to select either "gnome defaults" or "emacs". When I selected "emacs", that affected mozilla/firefox, so that traditional shortcuts (like <ctrl>u deleting all text on the URL box or a text entry box) worked like the "old days". Is there another way to do this, or do I need to learn new shortcuts? TIA, Bill

Jan. 18, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing

by Bill Mills-Curran

Sorry Justin, I meant to reply to Matt's comment. Bill On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 08:19:08AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Gee, Justin, where's the fun in that? :-) > > Actually, it's easier to saw it off than it is to go to Best Buy. > Also, they're a nasty bunch when it looks like you're trying to do > something out of the ordinary. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd > claim I stole it if I went back to the store, even though I have a > receipt. > > I had a huge hassle returning a video game that I bought for my son. > The game would not work on the system we had (video card issues), even > though the box didn't list any limitations. Because we opened the > box, they were not going to accept a return. I had to get real > insistent. > > The only reason I have something from Best Buy is because my wife > bought it. I'm won't go there if I have any choice. > > Bill > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 07:09:40AM -0500, Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > > I've been sort of keeping an eye on this thread and if someone has suggested > > this, please don't flame me, but why not just call BB and ask them what to > > do? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > > > [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Mills-Curran > > > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:38 PM > > > To: Justin Odom; Worcester Linux Users Group > > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing > > > > > > This isn't just heavy bubble pack -- This is a rigid plastic > > > (about 1/8" thick) with a hinged top. The top doesn't open > > > by any obvious means. The the top is opaque grey plastic, > > > and there's a metal mechanism inside. (A magnet is attracted > > > to it.) I'm guessing that a sufficiently strong magnet would > > > release a latch/interlock to allow easy opening. > > > > > > I'm sure it was a mistake that they didn't remove the memory > > > package (a normal cardboard retail shelf packaging) from this > > > "armored box", because most people would not be able to get > > > it open. I'm going to use my cutoff saw to attack it. > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 10:19:45PM -0500, Justin Odom wrote: > > > > slice it with a razor blade on back, they wont charge you > > > if you want > > > > to return it. > > > > > > > > I worked at that horrible place for over a year :-p > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:23:59 -0800 (PST), Mike Leo > > > <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > I think they do that so you can't return it opened and > > > not be charge > > > > > some fee for damaging the package....but then again, I > > > always think > > > > > the man is trying to keep me down! > > > > > > > > > > --- Marc Hughes <marc.hughes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder what the relative melting points of plastic > > > and silicon > > > > > > are... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:47:10 -0500, Bill Mills-Curran > > > > > > <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > > > > > > > Along with my new computer, my wife also picked up > > > > > > some memory for me. > > > > > > > It's in the bullet-proof plastic case. I'm > > > > > > assuming that they made a > > > > > > > mistake and meant to take the memory (with it's > > > > > > normal cardboard > > > > > > > packaging) out of this tough plastic. There's no > > > > > > non-destructive way > > > > > > > to open this plastic case without destroying it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > > > > > http://my.yahoo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 18, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing

by Bill Mills-Curran

Gee, Justin, where's the fun in that? :-) Actually, it's easier to saw it off than it is to go to Best Buy. Also, they're a nasty bunch when it looks like you're trying to do something out of the ordinary. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd claim I stole it if I went back to the store, even though I have a receipt. I had a huge hassle returning a video game that I bought for my son. The game would not work on the system we had (video card issues), even though the box didn't list any limitations. Because we opened the box, they were not going to accept a return. I had to get real insistent. The only reason I have something from Best Buy is because my wife bought it. I'm won't go there if I have any choice. Bill On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 07:09:40AM -0500, Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > I've been sort of keeping an eye on this thread and if someone has suggested > this, please don't flame me, but why not just call BB and ask them what to > do? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > > [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Mills-Curran > > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:38 PM > > To: Justin Odom; Worcester Linux Users Group > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing > > > > This isn't just heavy bubble pack -- This is a rigid plastic > > (about 1/8" thick) with a hinged top. The top doesn't open > > by any obvious means. The the top is opaque grey plastic, > > and there's a metal mechanism inside. (A magnet is attracted > > to it.) I'm guessing that a sufficiently strong magnet would > > release a latch/interlock to allow easy opening. > > > > I'm sure it was a mistake that they didn't remove the memory > > package (a normal cardboard retail shelf packaging) from this > > "armored box", because most people would not be able to get > > it open. I'm going to use my cutoff saw to attack it. > > > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 10:19:45PM -0500, Justin Odom wrote: > > > slice it with a razor blade on back, they wont charge you > > if you want > > > to return it. > > > > > > I worked at that horrible place for over a year :-p > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:23:59 -0800 (PST), Mike Leo > > <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > I think they do that so you can't return it opened and > > not be charge > > > > some fee for damaging the package....but then again, I > > always think > > > > the man is trying to keep me down! > > > > > > > > --- Marc Hughes <marc.hughes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I wonder what the relative melting points of plastic > > and silicon > > > > > are... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:47:10 -0500, Bill Mills-Curran > > > > > <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > > > > > > Along with my new computer, my wife also picked up > > > > > some memory for me. > > > > > > It's in the bullet-proof plastic case. I'm > > > > > assuming that they made a > > > > > > mistake and meant to take the memory (with it's > > > > > normal cardboard > > > > > > packaging) out of this tough plastic. There's no > > > > > non-destructive way > > > > > > to open this plastic case without destroying it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > > > > http://my.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 18, 2005

RE: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing

by Simoncini, Matthew

I've been sort of keeping an eye on this thread and if someone has suggested this, please don't flame me, but why not just call BB and ask them what to do? > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Mills-Curran > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:38 PM > To: Justin Odom; Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing > > This isn't just heavy bubble pack -- This is a rigid plastic > (about 1/8" thick) with a hinged top. The top doesn't open > by any obvious means. The the top is opaque grey plastic, > and there's a metal mechanism inside. (A magnet is attracted > to it.) I'm guessing that a sufficiently strong magnet would > release a latch/interlock to allow easy opening. > > I'm sure it was a mistake that they didn't remove the memory > package (a normal cardboard retail shelf packaging) from this > "armored box", because most people would not be able to get > it open. I'm going to use my cutoff saw to attack it. > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 10:19:45PM -0500, Justin Odom wrote: > > slice it with a razor blade on back, they wont charge you > if you want > > to return it. > > > > I worked at that horrible place for over a year :-p > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:23:59 -0800 (PST), Mike Leo > <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I think they do that so you can't return it opened and > not be charge > > > some fee for damaging the package....but then again, I > always think > > > the man is trying to keep me down! > > > > > > --- Marc Hughes <marc.hughes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I wonder what the relative melting points of plastic > and silicon > > > > are... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:47:10 -0500, Bill Mills-Curran > > > > <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > > > > > Along with my new computer, my wife also picked up > > > > some memory for me. > > > > > It's in the bullet-proof plastic case. I'm > > > > assuming that they made a > > > > > mistake and meant to take the memory (with it's > > > > normal cardboard > > > > > packaging) out of this tough plastic. There's no > > > > non-destructive way > > > > > to open this plastic case without destroying it. > > > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > > > http://my.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 18, 2005

Re: [Wlug] audio on new machine

by Keith Wright

> From: Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> > > On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 09:50:22AM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: > > > > You do realize that the /dev/ stuff is being progressively depreciated... > > Tim. > > Yeah, I've read about /dev going away, but I have no experience with > the replacement. > > BTW, you guys on WLUG are a tremendous resource. > > Bill Oh No! Don't let /dev go away! One of the first things I ever did with my first Linux system back in 1996 was accidentally delete /dev. The result was just horrible; I don't think I can take that again. Seriously, I haven't heard that /dev is deprecated. Who deprecates it? Where can I read about it going away? I assume the deprecator has a new plan well documented somewhere... -- Keith

Jan. 18, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing

by Bill Mills-Curran

This isn't just heavy bubble pack -- This is a rigid plastic (about 1/8" thick) with a hinged top. The top doesn't open by any obvious means. The the top is opaque grey plastic, and there's a metal mechanism inside. (A magnet is attracted to it.) I'm guessing that a sufficiently strong magnet would release a latch/interlock to allow easy opening. I'm sure it was a mistake that they didn't remove the memory package (a normal cardboard retail shelf packaging) from this "armored box", because most people would not be able to get it open. I'm going to use my cutoff saw to attack it. On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 10:19:45PM -0500, Justin Odom wrote: > slice it with a razor blade on back, they wont charge you if you want > to return it. > > I worked at that horrible place for over a year :-p > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:23:59 -0800 (PST), Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > I think they do that so you can't return it opened and > > not be charge some fee for damaging the package....but > > then again, I always think the man is trying to keep > > me down! > > > > --- Marc Hughes <marc.hughes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I wonder what the relative melting points of plastic > > > and silicon are... > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:47:10 -0500, Bill > > > Mills-Curran > > > <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > > > > Along with my new computer, my wife also picked up > > > some memory for me. > > > > It's in the bullet-proof plastic case. I'm > > > assuming that they made a > > > > mistake and meant to take the memory (with it's > > > normal cardboard > > > > packaging) out of this tough plastic. There's no > > > non-destructive way > > > > to open this plastic case without destroying it. > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > > http://my.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 18, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing

by Justin Odom

slice it with a razor blade on back, they wont charge you if you want to return it. I worked at that horrible place for over a year :-p On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:23:59 -0800 (PST), Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I think they do that so you can't return it opened and > not be charge some fee for damaging the package....but > then again, I always think the man is trying to keep > me down! > > --- Marc Hughes <marc.hughes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I wonder what the relative melting points of plastic > > and silicon are... > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:47:10 -0500, Bill > > Mills-Curran > > <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > > > Along with my new computer, my wife also picked up > > some memory for me. > > > It's in the bullet-proof plastic case. I'm > > assuming that they made a > > > mistake and meant to take the memory (with it's > > normal cardboard > > > packaging) out of this tough plastic. There's no > > non-destructive way > > > to open this plastic case without destroying it. > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Bill > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > http://my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 18, 2005

Re: [Wlug] audio on new machine

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 09:50:22AM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: > Bill, > > In regards to your issue with /dev/cdrom Your /etc/fstab doesn't have > something like this in in it.. > > ... > /dev/hdc /media/cdrecorder auto > pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 > ... > > You do realize that the /dev/ stuff is being progressively depreciated... > Tim. I have that entry in fstab. Yeah, I've read about /dev going away, but I have no experience with the replacement. BTW, you guys on WLUG are a tremendous resource. Bill

Jan. 18, 2005

Re: [Wlug] audio on new machine

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 01:17:59PM -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 11:34:00AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > Where do I find this (the setting to use digital rather than analog)? > > I gave a quick look at the user controls & did not find it. > > Oh yeah, the "CD Player" app in GNOME doesn't support it. I used XMMS > instead, whose cd input plugin supports Digital audio extraction. > > > I inspected the hardware, and you're right -- no audio cable. Maybe > > the solution is to just get that cable. (?) > > If there is a place to plug it into the soundcard (onboard I presume), > then yes, that would solve the problem too. I've always found xmms to be non-intuitive for playing CD's -- I just can't seem to get it to see the CD. I found an audio cable & that fixes the "standard" audio apps. (The only thing I'd like is the equalizer from xmms, but that's just to play with it.) Thanks, Bill

Jan. 18, 2005

RE: [Wlug] audio on new machine

by Keller, Tim

Bill, In regards to your issue with /dev/cdrom Your /etc/fstab doesn't have something like this in in it.. ... /dev/hdc /media/cdrecorder auto pamconsole,fscontext=system_u:object_r:removable_t,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 ... You do realize that the /dev/ stuff is being progressively depreciated... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Bill Mills-Curran Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 11:38 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] audio on new machine Happy Birthday to me! My wife couldn't stand me whining about my old machine, so she picked up a demo emachines for my birthday from Best Buy. I just finished installing fedora core 3, and I'm having a few problems with the audio. 1. The audio test worked fine during the installation, and the "soundcard detection" menu pick still works fine. 2. When I play an audio CD, I have a couple of problems. a. There is no /dev/cdrom device. I made a sym link, but that disappears during reboot. What's the right way to get it in place & stay? b. The permissions on the cd player (/dev/hdc) are 600. I changed them to 666 so I could use the player, but, like the symlink (above), this change does not survive the reboot. Again, what's the right solution? Once I do a & b, then I can see that the cd is playing. With "grip", I can see that it's even getting the names of the tracks. Very cool. 3. No sound. I've played plenty with gnome-volume-control, but no sound. I don't even get anything from the headphone jack on the front panel. Some futher diagnostics: From soundcard detection: Detect sound device Vendo: Intel Model: Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller Module: snd-intel8x0 When I run gnome-cd I get: ** (gnome-cd:3579): WARNING **: Generic IO error >From /etc/modprobe.conf: <snip> alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 options snd-card-0 index=0 install snd-intel8x0 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-intel8x0 && /usr/sbin/alsactl restore >/dev/null 2>&1 || : remove snd-intel8x0 { /usr/sbin/alsactl store >/dev/null 2>&1 || : ; }; /sbin/m <snip> > lsmod snd_intel8x0 34829 3 snd_ac97_codec 64401 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_pcm_oss 47609 0 snd_mixer_oss 17217 2 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 97993 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 29765 1 snd_pcm snd_page_alloc 9673 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm gameport 4801 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_mpu401_uart 8769 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_rawmidi 26725 1 snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_device 8137 1 snd_rawmidi snd 54053 13 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_ mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device soundcore 9889 2 snd $ ll mixer crw------- 1 bcurran root 14, 0 Jan 14 22:39 mixer Even after changing these permissions, I get no sound. Can anyone offer suggestions? Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 17, 2005

Re: audio on new machine

by albutler33＠netscape.net

b. The permissions on the cd player (/dev/hdc) are 600. I > changed them to 666 so I could use the player, but, like the > symlink (above), this change does not survive the reboot. > Again, what's the right solution? As root try changing the permissions to 755,which would give you read-execute permission (owner has write permission also).You've got them set as read-write for owner,group and other.After all, I doubt that you can write to a read only device. Al Butler __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

Jan. 15, 2005

Re: [Wlug] audio on new machine

by Charles R. Anderson

On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 11:34:00AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Where do I find this (the setting to use digital rather than analog)? > I gave a quick look at the user controls & did not find it. Oh yeah, the "CD Player" app in GNOME doesn't support it. I used XMMS instead, whose cd input plugin supports Digital audio extraction. > I inspected the hardware, and you're right -- no audio cable. Maybe > the solution is to just get that cable. (?) If there is a place to plug it into the soundcard (onboard I presume), then yes, that would solve the problem too.

Jan. 15, 2005

Re: [Wlug] audio on new machine

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 09:52:52AM -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: <snip> > > 3. No sound. I've played plenty with gnome-volume-control, but no > > sound. I don't even get anything from the headphone jack on the > > front panel. > > Are you playing the CD with Analog output, or Digital Audio Extraction > output? If you are using the former, you might not have an Analog > audio cable between your CD drive and the sound card. This is > becoming common on newer machines (one less cable == cheaper). Try > telling the CD player app to use the Digital method instead. Where do I find this (the setting to use digital rather than analog)? I gave a quick look at the user controls & did not find it. I inspected the hardware, and you're right -- no audio cable. Maybe the solution is to just get that cable. (?) > > Finally, make sure the channels are unmuted and turned up. It may be > as simple as finding the CD slider in the volume control and turning > it up (for Analog). I had already tried this with no results. Thanks, Bill

Jan. 15, 2005

Re: [Wlug] audio on new machine

by Charles R. Anderson

On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 11:37:58PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > a. There is no /dev/cdrom device. I made a sym link, but that > disappears during reboot. What's the right way to get it in > place & stay? Is there a /dev/cdrecorder or similar? Something like this should have been created automatically by the scripts in /etc/udev.d. I think you can force manual creation of device nodes my mucking about in /etc/udev.d, but I haven't tried it yet. > > b. The permissions on the cd player (/dev/hdc) are 600. I > changed them to 666 so I could use the player, but, like the > symlink (above), this change does not survive the reboot. > Again, what's the right solution? The owner of the device(s) should be set automatically by pam/consolehelper when a user logs into the console/GDM. This is set in /etc/security/console.perms. > 3. No sound. I've played plenty with gnome-volume-control, but no > sound. I don't even get anything from the headphone jack on the > front panel. Are you playing the CD with Analog output, or Digital Audio Extraction output? If you are using the former, you might not have an Analog audio cable between your CD drive and the sound card. This is becoming common on newer machines (one less cable == cheaper). Try telling the CD player app to use the Digital method instead. Finally, make sure the channels are unmuted and turned up. It may be as simple as finding the CD slider in the volume control and turning it up (for Analog). > $ ll mixer > crw------- 1 bcurran root 14, 0 Jan 14 22:39 mixer > > Even after changing these permissions, I get no sound. No need to change the permissions to 666. See, you own the device, being the currently logged in console user.

Jan. 15, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Linuxworld

by Bill Smith

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:26:44 -0800 (PST) Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I lost the thread about the linuxworld trip since I > didn't think i was going, now I am.... Still not sure if i'm going. <shrug> > Anyone ever been before? Is it worth dragging a > laptop down there for 4 days? Will I get beat up if I > bring a windows laptop? Heh. I'd be more concerned over the fact that my employer issued me an iBook. :D At least the Win* laptop can go "under cover" and run Knoppix or something. AFAIK, you can't do that with a Mac. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com Never lick a gift horse in the mouth. * TAG! v3.1a *

Jan. 15, 2005

Linuxworld

by Mike Leo

I lost the thread about the linuxworld trip since I didn't think i was going, now I am.... Anyone going all 4 days? Was there a commutting option? Ya'll just taking the train, etc,etc,etc... I get to go all 4 days on the company's credit card! Hope there is good stuff down there. Anyone ever been before? Is it worth dragging a laptop down there for 4 days? Will I get beat up if I bring a windows laptop? Is there any 1 thing I should be sure to see? see ya! Mike __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com

Jan. 15, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing

by Mike Leo

I think they do that so you can't return it opened and not be charge some fee for damaging the package....but then again, I always think the man is trying to keep me down! --- Marc Hughes <marc.hughes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I wonder what the relative melting points of plastic > and silicon are... > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:47:10 -0500, Bill > Mills-Curran > <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > > Along with my new computer, my wife also picked up > some memory for me. > > It's in the bullet-proof plastic case. I'm > assuming that they made a > > mistake and meant to take the memory (with it's > normal cardboard > > packaging) out of this tough plastic. There's no > non-destructive way > > to open this plastic case without destroying it. > > > > Comments? > > > > Thanks, > > Bill > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com

Jan. 15, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Best Buy -- weird packing

by Marc Hughes

I wonder what the relative melting points of plastic and silicon are... On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:47:10 -0500, Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > Along with my new computer, my wife also picked up some memory for me. > It's in the bullet-proof plastic case. I'm assuming that they made a > mistake and meant to take the memory (with it's normal cardboard > packaging) out of this tough plastic. There's no non-destructive way > to open this plastic case without destroying it. > > Comments? > > Thanks, > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 15, 2005

Best Buy -- weird packing

by Bill Mills-Curran

Along with my new computer, my wife also picked up some memory for me. It's in the bullet-proof plastic case. I'm assuming that they made a mistake and meant to take the memory (with it's normal cardboard packaging) out of this tough plastic. There's no non-destructive way to open this plastic case without destroying it. Comments? Thanks, Bill

Jan. 15, 2005

audio on new machine

by Bill Mills-Curran

Happy Birthday to me! My wife couldn't stand me whining about my old machine, so she picked up a demo emachines for my birthday from Best Buy. I just finished installing fedora core 3, and I'm having a few problems with the audio. 1. The audio test worked fine during the installation, and the "soundcard detection" menu pick still works fine. 2. When I play an audio CD, I have a couple of problems. a. There is no /dev/cdrom device. I made a sym link, but that disappears during reboot. What's the right way to get it in place & stay? b. The permissions on the cd player (/dev/hdc) are 600. I changed them to 666 so I could use the player, but, like the symlink (above), this change does not survive the reboot. Again, what's the right solution? Once I do a & b, then I can see that the cd is playing. With "grip", I can see that it's even getting the names of the tracks. Very cool. 3. No sound. I've played plenty with gnome-volume-control, but no sound. I don't even get anything from the headphone jack on the front panel. Some futher diagnostics: From soundcard detection: Detect sound device Vendo: Intel Model: Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller Module: snd-intel8x0 When I run gnome-cd I get: ** (gnome-cd:3579): WARNING **: Generic IO error >From /etc/modprobe.conf: <snip> alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 options snd-card-0 index=0 install snd-intel8x0 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-intel8x0 && /usr/sbin/alsactl restore >/dev/null 2>&1 || : remove snd-intel8x0 { /usr/sbin/alsactl store >/dev/null 2>&1 || : ; }; /sbin/m <snip> > lsmod snd_intel8x0 34829 3 snd_ac97_codec 64401 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_pcm_oss 47609 0 snd_mixer_oss 17217 2 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 97993 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 29765 1 snd_pcm snd_page_alloc 9673 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm gameport 4801 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_mpu401_uart 8769 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_rawmidi 26725 1 snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_device 8137 1 snd_rawmidi snd 54053 13 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device soundcore 9889 2 snd $ ll mixer crw------- 1 bcurran root 14, 0 Jan 14 22:39 mixer Even after changing these permissions, I get no sound. Can anyone offer suggestions? Thanks, Bill

Jan. 15, 2005

Re: [Wlug] WLUG trip to Linuxworldexpo?

by Joe Riopel

I'm going with a few people from work, see you there. Marc Hughes wrote: >Make sure to register, since it's only free if you do it beforehand. >http://linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/register///CC60804 > >I already got my pass in the mail =) > >-Marc > > >On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:31:19 -0500, Keller, Tim <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> wrote: > > >>Hey All... >> >>I'm planning on attending Linux world expo (the free part) and I was >>wondering if anybody else would be interested in meeting up in Worcester and >>taking the commuter rail in. I was thinking of maybe going on Feb 16th. >> >>Thanks, >>Tim. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Jan. 14, 2005

presentation slides for this evening's talk

by Jeff Moyer

I've uploaded them to the following place: http://segfault.dhs.org/~phro/netdump_crash.pdf Export to pdf got rid of bullets, but it's mostly readable. -Jeff

Jan. 13, 2005

FC-3 cd's tonight

by Jeff Moyer

Does anyone want me to burn CD's for them? I'll plan on bringing 3 sets, complete with the source cd's. Let me know if you have a special request. Off list response is preferable. -Jeff

Jan. 13, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Clustering

by Jared Greenwald

What is the platform and distribution you are using? I'm not too familiar with the Oracle suite if that's what you mean by ApplTop. Can you elaborate? >From: Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> >Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Clustering >Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:26:00 -0800 (PST) > >I am the sa for our linux Oracle RAC....but don't let >that fool you...I just setup the hardware and OS. We >have dba and app developers that do the Oracle RAC >part, but I am involved in OS setup and support. > >I don't know of anything specific to "warn" you about, >but wanted to let you know I might be able to help >out. > >Also, will you be using the Shared Appltop, too? > >good luck... >Mike >--- Jared Greenwald <jaredgreenwald(a)hotmail.com> >wrote: > > > Are there any people on this list that have > > experience with Linux > > clustering? In particular, Oracle RAC on Linux > > (9i/10g) - though I'll take > > general info as well. :) I have experience with > > UNIX clustering through a > > product called TruClusters (for Tru64 UNIX), but I'm > > changing directions and > > looking at Linux (and RAC in particular). > > > > I'm sorta new to the list and my Linux experience up > > till this point has > > been purely on the user end of things - setting > > up/maintaining my home > > network and a desktop here and there. I've been a > > user space developer for > > Tru64 and HP-UX (with Compaq and HP, respectively) > > in cluster technology and > > moving to Linux is a new career direction... > > > > Any info or contacts would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks. > > Jared Greenwald > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 13, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Clustering

by Mike Leo

I am the sa for our linux Oracle RAC....but don't let that fool you...I just setup the hardware and OS. We have dba and app developers that do the Oracle RAC part, but I am involved in OS setup and support. I don't know of anything specific to "warn" you about, but wanted to let you know I might be able to help out. Also, will you be using the Shared Appltop, too? good luck... Mike --- Jared Greenwald <jaredgreenwald(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Are there any people on this list that have > experience with Linux > clustering? In particular, Oracle RAC on Linux > (9i/10g) - though I'll take > general info as well. :) I have experience with > UNIX clustering through a > product called TruClusters (for Tru64 UNIX), but I'm > changing directions and > looking at Linux (and RAC in particular). > > I'm sorta new to the list and my Linux experience up > till this point has > been purely on the user end of things - setting > up/maintaining my home > network and a desktop here and there. I've been a > user space developer for > Tru64 and HP-UX (with Compaq and HP, respectively) > in cluster technology and > moving to Linux is a new career direction... > > Any info or contacts would be appreciated. > > Thanks. > Jared Greenwald > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Jan. 13, 2005

Clustering

by Jared Greenwald

Are there any people on this list that have experience with Linux clustering? In particular, Oracle RAC on Linux (9i/10g) - though I'll take general info as well. :) I have experience with UNIX clustering through a product called TruClusters (for Tru64 UNIX), but I'm changing directions and looking at Linux (and RAC in particular). I'm sorta new to the list and my Linux experience up till this point has been purely on the user end of things - setting up/maintaining my home network and a desktop here and there. I've been a user space developer for Tru64 and HP-UX (with Compaq and HP, respectively) in cluster technology and moving to Linux is a new career direction... Any info or contacts would be appreciated. Thanks. Jared Greenwald

Jan. 13, 2005

Re: [Wlug] WLUG trip to Linuxworldexpo?

by Marc Hughes

Make sure to register, since it's only free if you do it beforehand. http://linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/register///CC60804 I already got my pass in the mail =) -Marc On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:31:19 -0500, Keller, Tim <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> wrote: > Hey All... > > I'm planning on attending Linux world expo (the free part) and I was > wondering if anybody else would be interested in meeting up in Worcester and > taking the commuter rail in. I was thinking of maybe going on Feb 16th. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 12, 2005

WLUG trip to Linuxworldexpo?

by Keller, Tim

Hey All... I'm planning on attending Linux world expo (the free part) and I was wondering if anybody else would be interested in meeting up in Worcester and taking the commuter rail in. I was thinking of maybe going on Feb 16th. Thanks, Tim.

Jan. 12, 2005

Upcoming meeting: Thurs Jan 13th

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, Its time once again for our monthly WLUG meeting. On Thursday, Jan 13th, Jeff Moyer from RedHat will talk to the group about netdump/crash, which are tools for kernel debugging. Here are a couple of URLs to get you acquainted with the meeting topic: http://www.redhat.com/support/wpapers/redhat/netdump/ http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/netdump.8.html The meeting time is 7:00 PM in the Access Grid room at WPI. Directions can be found on the WLUG website. See ya there! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB5HRFHl0iXDssISsRAj4EAJ9wWdfdcXPpb1SMNQoKkQGxEI+HfACeOSFg x0DaZJ1WF9A3ld6iJfFcziA= =JpX/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Jan. 12, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting: Jan 13th

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting: Jan 13th; Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: andystewart> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 andystewart> On Monday 10 January 2005 8:35 am, Jeff Moyer wrote: >> andystewart> Of the three topics you mentioned, I think that the kernel andystewart> debugging one might be of the most interest. However, I have andystewart> a hard time crashing a Linux kernel. :-) If its too late, andystewart> I'll understand. >> It's not too late. That's two votes for the netdump/crash talk. >> >> I'm curious, why didn't you CC the list? andystewart> Probably because I was half asleep when I replied. andystewart> Shall we proceed with the netdump/crash talk? Sure. -Jeff

Jan. 11, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting: Jan 13th

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting: Jan 13th; "Charles R. Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> adds: cra> On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 09:18:39PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: >> > It's not too late. That's two votes for the netdump/crash talk. >> > >> > I'm curious, why didn't you CC the list? >> >> Probably because I was half asleep when I replied. >> >> Shall we proceed with the netdump/crash talk? cra> netdump++ cra> Are we going to have a live demo :-) I can demo crash on a live system and on a crashdump. If you want to see a system perform a netdump, then you'll have to provide network connectivity and a server (actually, I can probably run the server on segfault). Do we have use of a projector? -Jeff

Jan. 11, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting: Jan 13th

by Charles R. Anderson

On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 09:18:39PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > > It's not too late. That's two votes for the netdump/crash talk. > > > > I'm curious, why didn't you CC the list? > > Probably because I was half asleep when I replied. > > Shall we proceed with the netdump/crash talk? netdump++ Are we going to have a live demo :-) ?

Jan. 11, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting: Jan 13th

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 10 January 2005 8:35 am, Jeff Moyer wrote: > > andystewart> Of the three topics you mentioned, I think that the kernel > andystewart> debugging one might be of the most interest. However, I have > andystewart> a hard time crashing a Linux kernel. :-) > andystewart> If its too late, I'll understand. > > It's not too late. That's two votes for the netdump/crash talk. > > I'm curious, why didn't you CC the list? Probably because I was half asleep when I replied. Shall we proceed with the netdump/crash talk? Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB4zeHHl0iXDssISsRAocJAJ9iSd6X4QQ0+KhEtOA8Sy18pqdwbACfV+Ec kU9GuLEYEWjrf3PuECXJYno= =xRAx -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Jan. 11, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting: Jan 13th

by Brian Waite

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:04:34 -0500, Brian Waite <linwoes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:23:58 -0500, Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I wouldn't mind seeing some stuff on embedded linux development. > > Maybe get anyone who has done some to talk about it's pros and cons. > > I know I've done a bit of embedded programming with Arcom Linux and > > QNX. > I'd love to see some embedded Linux devel. I do embedded Linux > development at home and at the office and I'd like to see others who > do it. I'd might be willing to talk a bit about it, but I have to > check my availability. If any one else wants to step up for this or > another topic, I'll step back with no worries what so ever. I'll see > if I am available and get back ASAP. > Ok so I am available to talk if there is enough intereset in the subject. Thanks Brian

Jan. 10, 2005

RE: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting: Jan 13th

by Minkov, Ross

Jeff, "netdump/crash - tools for kernel debugging" sounds interesting to me. Thanks, Ross -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Moyer Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 9:28 AM To: andystewart(a)comcast.net; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting: Jan 13th ==> Regarding [Wlug] Upcoming meeting: Jan 13th; Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: andystewart> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 andystewart> HI gang, andystewart> We have a WLUG meeting coming up on Thurs Jan 13 - any andystewart> thoughts on what topic we should explore? Or more to the andystewart> point - any volunteers? :-) I can present on one of a few topics: autofs - the Sun automounter netdump/crash - tools for kernel debugging programming with the Linux Asynchronous I/O subsystem (AIO) - I can go into detail on the internals for RH 2.4 kernels, but I havne't come up to speed on how things are done in 2.6 just yet. Please let me know if you would like me to present fairly soon, as I don't have a prepared talk on any one of the subjects. -Jeff _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 10, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting: Jan 13th

by Brian Waite

On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:23:58 -0500, Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I wouldn't mind seeing some stuff on embedded linux development. > Maybe get anyone who has done some to talk about it's pros and cons. > I know I've done a bit of embedded programming with Arcom Linux and > QNX. I'd love to see some embedded Linux devel. I do embedded Linux development at home and at the office and I'd like to see others who do it. I'd might be willing to talk a bit about it, but I have to check my availability. If any one else wants to step up for this or another topic, I'll step back with no worries what so ever. I'll see if I am available and get back ASAP. Is embedded linux (primarily PPC) interesting to the masses? Some topics I could expound on are: * Cross development vs Local Development * Linux as en embedded OS (Kernels, modules, flash filesystems, pitfalls) * Designing Embedded Linux Clusters * Application considerations on embedded linux Anything else people might find more interesting? > > Chuck > > On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:26:29 -0500, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > HI gang, > > > > We have a WLUG meeting coming up on Thurs Jan 13 - any thoughts on what topic > > we should explore? Or more to the point - any volunteers? :-) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Andy > > > > - -- > > Andy Stewart, Founder > > Worcester Linux Users' Group > > Worcester, MA USA > > http://www.wlug.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFB3NoVHl0iXDssISsRAjByAJ9emZO3gA+52yQ0dBLhMmSBvWTxNQCfcKRO > > diTNYvQe9uG7zOGE6NSFikY= > > =1oes > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > -- > Chuck Haines > chaines(a)gmail.com > ------------------------------------------- > Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity > TKE-ZM Web Coordinator > ECE Systems Administrator > ------------------------------------------- > AIM: CyberGrex > YIM: CyberGrex_27 > ICQ: 3707881 > ------------------------------------------- > GPG Fingerprint: 303A AB50 4EA9 70ED 2E30 2368 C9CD CCB5 4BD7 0989 > GPG Key: http://www.maxslack.com/gpgkey.txt > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 10, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting: Jan 13th

by Chuck Haines

I wouldn't mind seeing some stuff on embedded linux development. Maybe get anyone who has done some to talk about it's pros and cons. I know I've done a bit of embedded programming with Arcom Linux and QNX. Chuck On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:26:29 -0500, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > HI gang, > > We have a WLUG meeting coming up on Thurs Jan 13 - any thoughts on what topic > we should explore? Or more to the point - any volunteers? :-) > > Thanks, > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFB3NoVHl0iXDssISsRAjByAJ9emZO3gA+52yQ0dBLhMmSBvWTxNQCfcKRO > diTNYvQe9uG7zOGE6NSFikY= > =1oes > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity TKE-ZM Web Coordinator ECE Systems Administrator ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- GPG Fingerprint: 303A AB50 4EA9 70ED 2E30 2368 C9CD CCB5 4BD7 0989 GPG Key: http://www.maxslack.com/gpgkey.txt

Jan. 9, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting: Jan 13th

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding [Wlug] Upcoming meeting: Jan 13th; Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: andystewart> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 andystewart> HI gang, andystewart> We have a WLUG meeting coming up on Thurs Jan 13 - any andystewart> thoughts on what topic we should explore? Or more to the andystewart> point - any volunteers? :-) I can present on one of a few topics: autofs - the Sun automounter netdump/crash - tools for kernel debugging programming with the Linux Asynchronous I/O subsystem (AIO) - I can go into detail on the internals for RH 2.4 kernels, but I havne't come up to speed on how things are done in 2.6 just yet. Please let me know if you would like me to present fairly soon, as I don't have a prepared talk on any one of the subjects. -Jeff

Jan. 7, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Linux Banwidht Manager

by Marc Hughes

The last time I did any bandwidth management, I used the traffic shaping stuff. I'm not sure if there's a newer way of doing it now, but this stuff looks familiar: http://www.knowplace.org/shaper/examples.html All I remember about it was it was a pain to figure out, but it worked for my purposes flawlessly. -Marc On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:44:34 +0700, Aramico <aramico(a)duahati.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > Long time no see...... > > Btw, can you guys recomend me what is the best Linux Bandwidth Manager to > use ? > Well, about its performance, flexibility, simplicity, etc... the good one. > > Thanks, > > Aramico > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 7, 2005

Linux Banwidht Manager

by Aramico

Hi all, Long time no see...... Btw, can you guys recomend me what is the best Linux Bandwidth Manager to use ? Well, about its performance, flexibility, simplicity, etc... the good one. Thanks, Aramico

Jan. 6, 2005

Upcoming meeting: Jan 13th

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI gang, We have a WLUG meeting coming up on Thurs Jan 13 - any thoughts on what topic we should explore? Or more to the point - any volunteers? :-) Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB3NoVHl0iXDssISsRAjByAJ9emZO3gA+52yQ0dBLhMmSBvWTxNQCfcKRO diTNYvQe9uG7zOGE6NSFikY= =1oes -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Jan. 6, 2005

RE: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Martin, Eric

I always thought it was that and some mobile processor goodies (low power consumption, etc) Eric Martin Worcester Public Schools -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Hughes Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 12:15 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:41:32 -0500 (EST), Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > On Thu, 30 Dec 2004, Brian Waite wrote: > > True. However Intel is doing quite well with "Centrino" and I'd bet > most people who buy "Centrino" have no idea what it is. (No one here, > of > course!) > Isn't it just built in 802.11b? If not.. then, yeah lousy marketing =) _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 5, 2005

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Brett Russ

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:04:32 -0500, Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > Since I'm not gamer (just want good resolution), is there any reason > that a PCI graphics card would not work? I think the key is this is "just another computer" and that whatever you want to do with it will be fine. I think the onboard video would work just as well. Does anyone have comments on the Celeron 2.5 GHz with 533 MHz FSB as compared to the P4/2.8/800? thanks BR

Jan. 5, 2005

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 01:06:59PM -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 12:45:03PM -0500, Bill Smith wrote: > > > The PowerEdge SC420 is ideal for your first server & network. > > > Note: For server use only; CANNOT BE USED AS A DESKTOP. > > > Dell does not support the use of a graphics card on the SC420. > > > > > > Hmm... Should I believe that? > > It's probably the same deal as the 400SC--it probably has an AGP slot > on the motherboard. > > > The 420SC, Dell is betting, will be sold to entities that fit the > > first and third groups, and if anyone from the second group tries to > > install a video card (most servers tend to be headless or need only > > redimentary graphics cards, so fancy cards are a giveaway!), then > > all bets are off for support. > > Well, if you have a problem, you can always pull out the AGP card and > switch to the PCI card before you call support... I found some references to this machine: http://www.aaltonen.us/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1999 http://www.aaltonen.us/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2058 http://www.slickdeals.net/forums/printthread.php?t=59592 Since I'm not gamer (just want good resolution), is there any reason that a PCI graphics card would not work?

Jan. 5, 2005

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Brett Russ

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:45:03 -0500, Bill Smith <wsmith(a)chezsmith.com> wrote: > -- People that know what they're doing, but are too busy to take > the time to find the parts that do what they need. OK, I'm in this group :-) Funny thing is though, I configured the machine the way I want it, price came out to $333 but as soon as I put it in the cart it jumped to $383. Can't find any explanation of the $50 mystery charge. Oh, I configured it with the Celeron 325J, 2.53GHz, 256KB Cache, 533MHz FSB instead of the Pentium 4, 520, 2.8GHz, 1MB Cache, 800MHz FSB to save $99 and a bunch of heat and power. I believe the DDR2 400MHz memory will run at 333 with this CPU, but not sure. Anyone have an opinion on the processor downgrade that would convince me it's bad? I was planning on using this for a MythTV backend, with Hauppauge HW video capture cards, so CPU is less essential. Also used for file/media serving, etc. Thanks BR

Jan. 4, 2005

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 12:45:03PM -0500, Bill Smith wrote: > > The PowerEdge SC420 is ideal for your first server & network. > > Note: For server use only; CANNOT BE USED AS A DESKTOP. > > Dell does not support the use of a graphics card on the SC420. > > > > Hmm... Should I believe that? It's probably the same deal as the 400SC--it probably has an AGP slot on the motherboard. > The 420SC, Dell is betting, will be sold to entities that fit the > first and third groups, and if anyone from the second group tries to > install a video card (most servers tend to be headless or need only > redimentary graphics cards, so fancy cards are a giveaway!), then > all bets are off for support. Well, if you have a problem, you can always pull out the AGP card and switch to the PCI card before you call support...

Jan. 4, 2005

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Bill Smith

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:05:08 -0500 Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > When I started configuring it (the online price is even cheaper), I > got the following warning: > > The PowerEdge SC420 is ideal for your first server & network. > Note: For server use only; CANNOT BE USED AS A DESKTOP. > Dell does not support the use of a graphics card on the SC420. > > Hmm... Should I believe that? You can probably believe the part of "if you add a graphics card, you're on your own", but that doesn't mean that it can't be done. Most of their sales usually fit the following categories: -- People that don't know what they're doing, else they'd build their own machine. -- People that know what they're doing, but are too busy to take the time to find the parts that do what they need. -- Companies that can't be bothered to build and support their own custom boxes. These companies find it easier to have a third-party that will support the box(es) that they sell. The 420SC, Dell is betting, will be sold to entities that fit the first and third groups, and if anyone from the second group tries to install a video card (most servers tend to be headless or need only redimentary graphics cards, so fancy cards are a giveaway!), then all bets are off for support. I seem to recall something about someone having a bad experience with Dell with a laptop once... The guy refused the terms of the EULA (with respect to WinXP), and wanted a refund for the cost of the OS (he chose to put Debian on instead). The link is here: http://www.nomis52.net/?section=comps&page=dell (That's all a bit off the subject, though.) At any rate, the gist of the whole ordeal is that if you're okay with foregoing any support from Dell, get the system and modify it to your heart's content. If you don't want to risk voiding any future support, I'd pay close attention to the EULA and live by it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow. Don't walk behind me, I may not lead. Walk beside me and be my friend. -- Albert Camus, French writer and philosopher (1913-1960) * TAG! v3.1a *

Jan. 4, 2005

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Jim Dibb

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:15:11 -0500, Marc Hughes <marc.hughes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:41:32 -0500 (EST), Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Dec 2004, Brian Waite wrote: > > > > True. However Intel is doing quite well with "Centrino" and I'd bet most > > people who buy "Centrino" have no idea what it is. (No one here, of > > course!) > > > > Isn't it just built in 802.11b? If not.. then, yeah lousy marketing =) Someone said to me the other day, "Doesn't Centrino allow you to connect anywhere in the world?", like the ad suggests when connecting from a tent on the side of a mountain. In this case I think the marketing did too good a job of selling.

Jan. 4, 2005

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Marc Hughes

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:41:32 -0500 (EST), Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > On Thu, 30 Dec 2004, Brian Waite wrote: > > True. However Intel is doing quite well with "Centrino" and I'd bet most > people who buy "Centrino" have no idea what it is. (No one here, of > course!) > Isn't it just built in 802.11b? If not.. then, yeah lousy marketing =)

Jan. 4, 2005

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 01:25:15AM -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 09:29:45PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > Staples has a low-priced machine advertised in the Globe: $199.94 for > > a Compaq Presario with an AMD Sempron processor. Any idea how this > > might work with Linux? I picked up a cheap Compaq at Walmart a year > > ago, and I returned it because it was such a dog. > > I don't know, but Sempron is AMD's answer to the Celerons. I would > recommend getting a Small Business server Dell PowerEdge 400SC > instead. Those are Hyperthreading Pentium 4's, they work with Linux > (you can get it preinstalled if you like) and you are not paying any > MS-tax. In addition, they have an AGP slot (unadvertised) so you can > use them as a nice Linux desktop if you want. Dell has deals every > once in a while for these systems in the range of $300-400 in their > minimum configurations. Check slickdeals.net for the coupon codes. There's an add in today's Globe for a 420SC for $375. www.dell.com/globeoffer When I started configuring it (the online price is even cheaper), I got the following warning: The PowerEdge SC420 is ideal for your first server & network. Note: For server use only; CANNOT BE USED AS A DESKTOP. Dell does not support the use of a graphics card on the SC420. Hmm... Should I believe that? Bill

Jan. 4, 2005

Re: [Wlug] lock down /etc

by Charles R. Anderson

On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 03:13:09PM -0500, Brett Russ wrote: > If there's a way to distinguish between the two types of accesses I > don't know what it is. SELinux can do this.

Dec. 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] lock down /etc

by Brett Russ

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:54:20 -0500, Justin Odom <justin.odom(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Not sure if anyone has experience with this, but I would like to lock > down the /etc directory so common users cannot run through the > directory and read all the files. However, programs still need to be > able to read the files to work. I'm not sure you can achieve what you're after--either a user can read the file or he can't. If you turn off read perms for a user, then programs running as that user also will be disallowed. If there's a way to distinguish between the two types of accesses I don't know what it is. Otherwise, maybe you should look into extended attributes--you'll need a filesystem that supports them. ReiserFS and ext3 both do, as do most others I'm sure. BR

Dec. 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] lock down /etc

by Chuck Haines

Haha, I think that Justin means is that he has some users who think they know about Linux and keep perusing the /etc files and telling him what is wrong with them. That's my best guess. Though I think the people might be right, maybe Justin is just tired of hearing from them :) CH On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:40:46 -0800 (PST), Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > yes....fire those users. > > Other than that...i got nothin' > > --- Justin Odom <justin.odom(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Not sure if anyone has experience with this, but I > > would like to lock > > down the /etc directory so common users cannot run > > through the > > directory and read all the files. However, programs > > still need to be > > able to read the files to work. > > > > I'm trying to do this because we have several users > > on our system that > > like to peruse the files within /etc. > > > > Anyone have any suggestions? > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity TKE-ZM Web Coordinator ECE Systems Administrator ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- GPG Fingerprint: 303A AB50 4EA9 70ED 2E30 2368 C9CD CCB5 4BD7 0989 GPG Key: http://www.maxslack.com/gpgkey.txt

Dec. 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Gary Hanley

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004, Brian Waite wrote: > Hyperthreading and hypertransport are vastly different beasts. Right, but the comment wasn't that they were either different or similar - it was that AMD isn't selling hypertransport while Intel is selling hyperthreading. > Where hyperthreading performance can be described by marketeers as > making your app go fatster, hypertransport will speed up everything, > but it is difficult to quantify and thus marketeers can't sell it. True. However Intel is doing quite well with "Centrino" and I'd bet most people who buy "Centrino" have no idea what it is. (No one here, of course!) My own conspiracy theory is that when Intel realized AMD was not selling hypertransport they way they should they named hyperthreading as such to create confusion with the two features. If masses hear Intel barking "hyperthreading" all the time they will assume AMD is talking about the same thing if they ever hear "hypertransport" Eh, it's my paranoid conspiracy theory. I'm sticking to it. :-) -- Gary

Dec. 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Brian Waite

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:10:36 -0500 (EST), Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > > Those are Hyperthreading Pentium 4's, > > Yea, but Hyperthreading is a nice idea that is still somewhat irrelevant > at this stage. Even with dual-cores on the horizon there has is lots of > optimizations to do before any of this power is utilized. > > More relevant now is Hypertransport, which for some reason AMD doesn't > brag about as must as Intel does for Hyperthreading. Hyperthreading and hypertransport are vastly different beasts. Hyperthreading creates two "virtual" processors on a single CPU. Here is a good description of hyperthreading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-threading. Hypertransport, on the other hand is a chip to chip transport. It is a serial interface that makes the bits go faster. It is basically the bus logic and thus far too technical to be interesting to the marketing types. Where hyperthreading performance can be described by marketeers as making your app go fatster, hypertransport will speed up everything, but it is difficult to quantify and thus marketeers can't sell it. Just my 2 cents. Thanks Brian > > -- Gary > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] lock down /etc

by Mike Leo

yes....fire those users. Other than that...i got nothin' --- Justin Odom <justin.odom(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Not sure if anyone has experience with this, but I > would like to lock > down the /etc directory so common users cannot run > through the > directory and read all the files. However, programs > still need to be > able to read the files to work. > > I'm trying to do this because we have several users > on our system that > like to peruse the files within /etc. > > Anyone have any suggestions? > > Thanks for your help, > > Justin > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Dec. 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] lock down /etc

by Charles R. Anderson

On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 01:54:20PM -0500, Justin Odom wrote: > I'm trying to do this because we have several users on our system that > like to peruse the files within /etc. > > Anyone have any suggestions? SELinux with the strict policy may be able to help here, but it would require a lot of hand policy writing and domain transitions for every program. Another possibility is to chroot users to their home directories. This has its own problems.

Dec. 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] lock down /etc

by Brian J. Conway

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004, Justin Odom wrote: > Not sure if anyone has experience with this, but I would like to lock > down the /etc directory so common users cannot run through the > directory and read all the files. However, programs still need to be > able to read the files to work. > > I'm trying to do this because we have several users on our system that > like to peruse the files within /etc. > > Anyone have any suggestions? I don't know of any automated way to do it, but most critical files should already be locked down by default from prying eyes, and anything you specifically want to hide from users can be done easily by the normal permissions/ownership means for whatever user a daemon is running as. Are you trying to hide away that pesky /etc/hosts? ;) Brian J. Conway bconway(at)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Dec. 30, 2004

lock down /etc

by Justin Odom

Not sure if anyone has experience with this, but I would like to lock down the /etc directory so common users cannot run through the directory and read all the files. However, programs still need to be able to read the files to work. I'm trying to do this because we have several users on our system that like to peruse the files within /etc. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks for your help, Justin

Dec. 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Trouble with SATA DVD burner

by Karl Hiramoto

The linux kernel developers broke some stuff after 2.6.8 and there are docs on the cdrecord site. http://www.fokus.fhg.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/private… Andy Stewart wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >On Tuesday 28 December 2004 12:47 am, Andy Stewart wrote: > > >>HI all, >> >>I'm having problems with an SATA DVD burner (Plextor 712). I can't get >>Linux to see it. Any advice you might offer would be appreciated. >> >> > >Well, I got it working with SuSE's kernel version 2.6.5-7.111.19-smp, but that >doesn't explain to me why I can't make it work with a stock 2.6.10 kernel. >Now I'm hitting the "kernel madness" which broke CD/DVD burning for all but >the root user. > >I also checked my firware revs, all of which are up to date. > >I'll still take any advice about why 2.6.10 didn't work for me. > >Thanks, > >Andy > >- -- >Andy Stewart, Founder >Worcester Linux Users' Group >Worcester, MA USA >http://www.wlug.org >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > >iD4DBQFB0ZKwHl0iXDssISsRAjKtAJdZnVZUIpo4CtW/0mIGCqdmQ71PAJ9Nxa2U >lQ2plaRVtgIS+ErBFsdOJA== >=K7D5 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- --- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> US VOIP: 603.966.4448 Spain Home from US 011(34) 952.827.554 Spain Home from EU 00 (34) 952.827.554 Spain Mobil 011 (34) 617.463.826 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto jabber.org=karl_hiramoto ------ - Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? se

Dec. 28, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Trouble with SATA DVD burner

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Dec 28, 2004 at 12:06:49PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > Well, I got it working with SuSE's kernel version 2.6.5-7.111.19-smp, but that > doesn't explain to me why I can't make it work with a stock 2.6.10 kernel. > Now I'm hitting the "kernel madness" which broke CD/DVD burning for all but > the root user. I believe it was 2.6.8+ that changed the way cd burning (SCSI generic or ATAPI SG_IO) support worked. This was done to fix some security issues where a user could e.g. reflash the firmware on your drives, rendering them toasters. There is now some SCSI command filtering done to prevent such things. Fedora has pretty much abandoned ide-scsi and has switched instead to the SG_IO API directly on the underlying ATAPI device. This allows applications to send SCSI Generic commands by using the ATAPI device instead of the SG device which required the ide-scsi hack for ATAPI devices. I know this change broke a lot of things, mainly people's expectations on which device to use with cdrecord et al. It is now as simple as: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc or similar.

Dec. 28, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Trouble with SATA DVD burner

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 28 December 2004 12:47 am, Andy Stewart wrote: > HI all, > > I'm having problems with an SATA DVD burner (Plextor 712). I can't get > Linux to see it. Any advice you might offer would be appreciated. Well, I got it working with SuSE's kernel version 2.6.5-7.111.19-smp, but that doesn't explain to me why I can't make it work with a stock 2.6.10 kernel. Now I'm hitting the "kernel madness" which broke CD/DVD burning for all but the root user. I also checked my firware revs, all of which are up to date. I'll still take any advice about why 2.6.10 didn't work for me. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQFB0ZKwHl0iXDssISsRAjKtAJdZnVZUIpo4CtW/0mIGCqdmQ71PAJ9Nxa2U lQ2plaRVtgIS+ErBFsdOJA== =K7D5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Dec. 28, 2004

Proliant 1600 for sale

by Mike Leo

I go back and forth on this, but I have a Compaq Proliant 1600, dual 450 (or 500, i forget), with 6 18gig drives, plus an F1 full of 18gig drives, plus some spares. I can also put in a DLT drive. It runs fine, but is loud. I go back and forth with wanting to sell it 'cause I didn't think anyone would be interested. But is anyone? $600 for the whole shabang. I can get more specific specs once I get home. I can bring it to a lug meeting, or can arrange shipping. Let me know... Mike __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com

Dec. 28, 2004

Looking for Wine and Winelib experiences

by Ira Krakow

Hello all, I'm co-authoring a book on Wine and Winelib, scheduled to be published by Prentice Hall this summer. I'm looking for "war stories" - any experiences you have had with running Wine and/or porting Windows applications to Linux using Winelib. Please email me (ikrakow_1999(a)yahoo.com) or call (781-938-0550). Thanks. Sincerely, Ira Krakow

Dec. 28, 2004

Trouble with SATA DVD burner

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI all, I'm having problems with an SATA DVD burner (Plextor 712). I can't get Linux to see it. Any advice you might offer would be appreciated. Kernel 2.6.10 x86_64 The (I think) salient portion of /var/log/messages is shown below. I get this when I "modprobe sata_via": amdtux kernel: libata version 1.10 loaded. amdtux kernel: sata_via version 1.0 amdtux kernel: sata_via(0000:00:0f.0): routed to hard irq line 10 amdtux kernel: ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xB800 ctl 0xBC02 bmdma 0xC800 irq 20 amdtux kernel: ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xC000 ctl 0xC402 bmdma 0xC808 irq 20 amdtux kernel: ata1: dev 0 cfg 49:0f00 82:0000 83:0000 84:0000 85:0000 86:0000 87:0000 88:0407 amdtux kernel: ata1: dev 0 ATAPI, max UDMA/33 amdtux kernel: ata1: dev 0 configured for UDMA/33 amdtux kernel: scsi3 : sata_via amdtux kernel: ata2: no device found (phy stat 00000000) amdtux kernel: scsi4 : sata_via The chipset is VIA VT8237. The rest of the system: MB = MSI K8T Master2 FAR (2xOpteron 244) adaptec 29160 with 1 scsi disk atapi dvdrom sata plextor 712 crappy pci-based sound card ATI Radeon 7500 onboard Gb ethernet onboard usb Another data point: I booted KNOPPIX V3.6 (kernel 2.6.7), in the hope that its generally good hardware detection might make this device magically work. It notices the drive quite nicely and tries to make it available as "hde" (as seen in dmesg). However, once KNOPPIX comes up, I cannot successfully do anything with the drive. I'll burn a KNOPPIX V3.next CD and try this to see if the result changes (since that CD will probably have a more recent kernel). This gives me some hope that this device *might* work with Linux. FYI: When buying HW to build this system, I ordered the Plextor 712 ATAPI version, figuring I'd have trouble like this with SATA. The vendor shipped me the SATA drive at the cheaper ATAPI price...go figure. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB0PNqHl0iXDssISsRAu8KAJ96wviwjcevfQqRMfoy4fhldIP8OACfWdfQ zlGuL+Wtv9B0iej751ZqPLo= =gRGH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Dec. 28, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 01:30:44PM -0500, Michelle Vadeboncoeur wrote: > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Chuck Haines wrote: > > CH>Any link for this or is this a in-store only? My dad is looking for a > CH>new desktop for cheap and doesn't need much and this would be perfect > CH>for him. > > http://instorespecials.staples.com/ > > I looked at the Dec. 19 - Dec. 24 circulars ("Current Circular") for both > Worcester MA (storeid=2401091) and Boston MA (storeID=2421006), and there > are no Compaq products listed in the weekly flyer. > > I also checked with http://www.salescircular.com/ma.shtml , and I didn't > find any computer system selling for $199.94 this week in MA among the > stores they follow (store list is here: > http://www.salescircular.com/storedtl.html ). > > I also checked with http://www.saleshound.com/saleshound/store_list.asp > and searched for "Compaq" at stores 50 miles from Boston, MA, and there > were no results. > > Is the $199.94 Compaq Presario listed in the Boston Globe a special for a > particular store, or is it maybe in next week's flyers? > > -- > --==*==-- --==*==-- Michelle R. Vadeboncoeur --==*==-- --==*==-- > mrv(a)kluge.net: http://www.kluge.net/~mrv/ I think it was in a 12/20/4 flyer. But, they were all sold out in the first day. Bill

Dec. 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Bill Mills-Curran

After waiting long enough to decide that, yes, I want to buy this, I discovered they were all sold out. :-( Bill On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 11:13:29AM -0500, Chuck Haines wrote: > Any link for this or is this a in-store only? My dad is looking for a > new desktop for cheap and doesn't need much and this would be perfect > for him. > > CH > > On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:29:45 -0500, Bill Mills-Curran > <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > > Staples has a low-priced machine advertised in the Globe: $199.94 for > > a Compaq Presario with an AMD Sempron processor. Any idea how this > > might work with Linux? I picked up a cheap Compaq at Walmart a year > > ago, and I returned it because it was such a dog. > > > > TIA, > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > -- > Chuck Haines > chaines(a)gmail.com > ------------------------------------------- > Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity > TKE-ZM Web Coordinator > ECE Systems Administrator > ------------------------------------------- > AIM: CyberGrex > YIM: CyberGrex_27 > ICQ: 3707881 > ------------------------------------------- > GPG Fingerprint: 303A AB50 4EA9 70ED 2E30 2368 C9CD CCB5 4BD7 0989 > GPG Key: http://www.maxslack.com/gpgkey.txt > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Sun's x86 Strategy

by Brian J. Conway

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Gary Hanley wrote: > Hello all. > > I came across this article today that some might find interesting. It touches > on Sun's disadvantage with regard to Solaris development costs compared to > Linux and how it plans to deal with that, as well as the probable demise of > UltraSparc. > > http://www.techuser.net/sunx86.html An interesting read, but people have been predicting "the death of Sparc" every year for the past 10 years (and let's not forget "this is the year of Linux on the everyman's desktop"). I'll believe both when I see them. ;) Brian J. Conway bconway(at)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Dec. 23, 2004

Sun's x86 Strategy

by Gary Hanley

Hello all. I came across this article today that some might find interesting. It touches on Sun's disadvantage with regard to Solaris development costs compared to Linux and how it plans to deal with that, as well as the probable demise of UltraSparc. http://www.techuser.net/sunx86.html -- Gary

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Michelle Vadeboncoeur

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Chuck Haines wrote: CH>Any link for this or is this a in-store only? My dad is looking for a CH>new desktop for cheap and doesn't need much and this would be perfect CH>for him. http://instorespecials.staples.com/ I looked at the Dec. 19 - Dec. 24 circulars ("Current Circular") for both Worcester MA (storeid=2401091) and Boston MA (storeID=2421006), and there are no Compaq products listed in the weekly flyer. I also checked with http://www.salescircular.com/ma.shtml , and I didn't find any computer system selling for $199.94 this week in MA among the stores they follow (store list is here: http://www.salescircular.com/storedtl.html ). I also checked with http://www.saleshound.com/saleshound/store_list.asp and searched for "Compaq" at stores 50 miles from Boston, MA, and there were no results. Is the $199.94 Compaq Presario listed in the Boston Globe a special for a particular store, or is it maybe in next week's flyers? -- --==*==-- --==*==-- Michelle R. Vadeboncoeur --==*==-- --==*==-- mrv(a)kluge.net: http://www.kluge.net/~mrv/

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Gary Hanley

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Jeff Moyer wrote: > And this gets back to the part from my previous email that you conveniently > left out: > I wouldn't call HT irrelevant. It really depends on your workload. I thought I responded to that. Anyway, my end-point is that dual-core/multi-core will be much more relevant than Hyperthreading will EVER be. > Having said that, what influences *my* buying decision is > sharkeyextreme.com. But I like to game. ;-) I used to read Sharky until he sold the site a few years back and it became rather dull. I haven't looked since then so maybe it's much better now...? I usually read: http://www.anandtech.com/ http://www.aceshardware.com/ -- Gary

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples; Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> adds: gary> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Jeff Moyer wrote: >> Under Linux, the SMP kernel has provisions to deal with HT. I'm sure >> Windows XP does, as well. As such, it isn't necessary for applications >> to directly take advantage of HT. gary> Sure, but how much of a boost is that going to get you from an app gary> that is single-threaded? I would argue that it is not enough to gary> influence a buying decision. And this gets back to the part from my previous email that you conveniently left out: I wouldn't call HT irrelevant. It really depends on your workload. Having said that, what influences *my* buying decision is sharkeyextreme.com. But I like to game. ;-) -Jeff

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Scott Venier

Gary Hanley said: > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Jeff Moyer wrote: > > Sure, but how much of a boost is that going to get you from an app that > is single-threaded? I would argue that it is not enough to influence a > buying decision. > It won't get you any boost on a single threaded app, but my linux box has 20 users logged into it right now, each running a different process as well as web, mail, dns, and mysql servers all running. Having the ability to schedule more then process at a time is an overall boost for my system. Of course, it's not as much of a boost as a dual core or dual CPU would be, but I'll take what I can get. Scott

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Gary Hanley

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Jeff Moyer wrote: > Under Linux, the SMP kernel has provisions to deal with HT. I'm sure > Windows XP does, as well. As such, it isn't necessary for applications to > directly take advantage of HT. Sure, but how much of a boost is that going to get you from an app that is single-threaded? I would argue that it is not enough to influence a buying decision. -- Gary

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples; Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> adds: gary> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Jeff Moyer wrote: >> I wouldn't call HT irrelevant. It really depends on your workload. gary> How about somewhat irrelevant? gary> I'm sure there are some apps that take advantage of it right now, but gary> I think that we won't see significant benefit until dual-cores gary> arrive. Under Linux, the SMP kernel has provisions to deal with HT. I'm sure Windows XP does, as well. As such, it isn't necessary for applications to directly take advantage of HT. >> As always, it depends. What is the price point? What is the machine >> actually going to be used for? gary> Hypertransport is a whole different animal compared to gary> Hyperthreading. gary> Apples and Oranges for sure. Right. -Jeff

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Gary Hanley

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Jeff Moyer wrote: > I wouldn't call HT irrelevant. It really depends on your workload. How about somewhat irrelevant? I'm sure there are some apps that take advantage of it right now, but I think that we won't see significant benefit until dual-cores arrive. > As always, it depends. What is the price point? What is the machine > actually going to be used for? Hypertransport is a whole different animal compared to Hyperthreading. Apples and Oranges for sure. -- Gary

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Chuck Haines

Any link for this or is this a in-store only? My dad is looking for a new desktop for cheap and doesn't need much and this would be perfect for him. CH On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:29:45 -0500, Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > Staples has a low-priced machine advertised in the Globe: $199.94 for > a Compaq Presario with an AMD Sempron processor. Any idea how this > might work with Linux? I picked up a cheap Compaq at Walmart a year > ago, and I returned it because it was such a dog. > > TIA, > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity TKE-ZM Web Coordinator ECE Systems Administrator ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- GPG Fingerprint: 303A AB50 4EA9 70ED 2E30 2368 C9CD CCB5 4BD7 0989 GPG Key: http://www.maxslack.com/gpgkey.txt

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Bill Smith

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:25:15 -0500 "Charles R. Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > I don't know, but Sempron is AMD's answer to the Celerons. I would > recommend getting a Small Business server Dell PowerEdge 400SC > instead. Those are Hyperthreading Pentium 4's, they work with Linux > (you can get it preinstalled if you like) and you are not paying any > MS-tax. In addition, they have an AGP slot (unadvertised) so you can > use them as a nice Linux desktop if you want. Dell has deals every > once in a while for these systems in the range of $300-400 in their > minimum configurations. Check slickdeals.net for the coupon codes. Geez, Charles... You're starting to sound like a Dell salesman... <g> Are you getting a cut of every 400SC they sell to WLUG members? :D Happy Holidays! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ." -- Patrick Henry, American patriot * TAG! v3.1a *

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] yum repository for Aurora?

by Bill Smith

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:58:15 -0400 Brian Waite <linwoes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > As fate would have it, I just got my hands on an old Sparc. Thanks to > your mail I found a distro. While perusing the FAQ though I think I > found a pointer to your question. There is an up2date sever and > directions at: http://current-aurora.anthonymendoza.com/ > I hope it works for you. Here hoping I can even get a prompt :) At http://www.auroralinux.org there is a page that walks one through the upgrade process, step-by-step. It even uses Yum. As it happens, WPI has their aurora path yum-ified, so I was able to use that... It's on angus.ind.wpi.edu .... <g> I finally had the time to sit through the whole ordeal, which took a little longer than I would have liked (mostly because important things came up, like interacting with my kids. :) ), but the process was pretty-well documented. Barring any serious problems, it's fairly simple, though time-consuming. If anyone has a SPARC system lying about, you may be interested in playing with this. It's worth a look. For the un-initiated, here's how the Aurora version numbers compare to Red Hat: Aurora version Red Hat version 1.0 7.3 1.91 Fedora Core 1 1.92 Fedora Core 2 I understand from the mailing list that Aurora 2.0 is in the works, which will be bassed on FC3. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com "You have to take a speed-yawning course to get through some of this stuff" -- Dan Rather, on the 2004 Democratic National Convention * TAG! v3.1a *

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples; Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> adds: gary> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Charles R. Anderson wrote: >> Those are Hyperthreading Pentium 4's, gary> Yea, but Hyperthreading is a nice idea that is still somewhat gary> irrelevant at this stage. Even with dual-cores on the horizon there gary> has is lots of optimizations to do before any of this power is gary> utilized. I wouldn't call HT irrelevant. It really depends on your workload. gary> More relevant now is Hypertransport, which for some reason AMD gary> doesn't brag about as must as Intel does for Hyperthreading. As always, it depends. What is the price point? What is the machine actually going to be used for? -Jeff

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Gary Hanley

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Bill Smith wrote: > Geez, Charles... You're starting to sound like a Dell salesman... <g> Are you getting a cut of every 400SC they sell to WLUG members? :D > Happy Holidays! Dell is the Wal-Mart of x86! Death to Dell! :-) -- Gary

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Gary Hanley

Here is the MB: http://www.asus.com/products/mb/socketa/a7v8x-mx/overview.htm and http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?dlc=en&lc=en&product=433683&lan… Actually, with the rebates this looks like a good deal. For myself I usually avoid rebates when possible buy I could be swayed by this one if I was looking for such a box. -- Gary On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > No info in the add about the components, but it's worth noting that > the list price is $450, which is reduced by a $200 "instant rebate" > and a $50 "easy rebate". (I know, I know... it's all advertising > gimmicks.) > > It's model # SR1200NX. Here's a link from Google: > > http://shopping.msn.com/search/detail.aspx?pcId=621&prodId=3123503 > > Bill > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 07:00:41AM -0500, Gary Hanley wrote: >> Here's a site that gives you a good overview of AMD processors: >> >> http://www.short-media.com/review.php?r=272 >> >> All the AMD processors work fine with Linux, but at that price I'm >> not sure what you are getting. It most likely will be somewhat >> of a dog due to cheapo motherboard/graphics/memory components. >> >> Does it list what those are? >> >> -- Gary >> >> On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: >> >>> Staples has a low-priced machine advertised in the Globe: $199.94 for >>> a Compaq Presario with an AMD Sempron processor. Any idea how this >>> might work with Linux? I picked up a cheap Compaq at Walmart a year >>> ago, and I returned it because it was such a dog. >>> >>> TIA, >>> Bill >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Bill Mills-Curran

No info in the add about the components, but it's worth noting that the list price is $450, which is reduced by a $200 "instant rebate" and a $50 "easy rebate". (I know, I know... it's all advertising gimmicks.) It's model # SR1200NX. Here's a link from Google: http://shopping.msn.com/search/detail.aspx?pcId=621&prodId=3123503 Bill On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 07:00:41AM -0500, Gary Hanley wrote: > Here's a site that gives you a good overview of AMD processors: > > http://www.short-media.com/review.php?r=272 > > All the AMD processors work fine with Linux, but at that price I'm > not sure what you are getting. It most likely will be somewhat > of a dog due to cheapo motherboard/graphics/memory components. > > Does it list what those are? > > -- Gary > > On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > >Staples has a low-priced machine advertised in the Globe: $199.94 for > >a Compaq Presario with an AMD Sempron processor. Any idea how this > >might work with Linux? I picked up a cheap Compaq at Walmart a year > >ago, and I returned it because it was such a dog. > > > >TIA, > >Bill > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Gary Hanley

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > Those are Hyperthreading Pentium 4's, Yea, but Hyperthreading is a nice idea that is still somewhat irrelevant at this stage. Even with dual-cores on the horizon there has is lots of optimizations to do before any of this power is utilized. More relevant now is Hypertransport, which for some reason AMD doesn't brag about as must as Intel does for Hyperthreading. -- Gary

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Gary Hanley

Here's a site that gives you a good overview of AMD processors: http://www.short-media.com/review.php?r=272 All the AMD processors work fine with Linux, but at that price I'm not sure what you are getting. It most likely will be somewhat of a dog due to cheapo motherboard/graphics/memory components. Does it list what those are? -- Gary On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Staples has a low-priced machine advertised in the Globe: $199.94 for > a Compaq Presario with an AMD Sempron processor. Any idea how this > might work with Linux? I picked up a cheap Compaq at Walmart a year > ago, and I returned it because it was such a dog. > > TIA, > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Charles R. Anderson

On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 09:29:45PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Staples has a low-priced machine advertised in the Globe: $199.94 for > a Compaq Presario with an AMD Sempron processor. Any idea how this > might work with Linux? I picked up a cheap Compaq at Walmart a year > ago, and I returned it because it was such a dog. I don't know, but Sempron is AMD's answer to the Celerons. I would recommend getting a Small Business server Dell PowerEdge 400SC instead. Those are Hyperthreading Pentium 4's, they work with Linux (you can get it preinstalled if you like) and you are not paying any MS-tax. In addition, they have an AGP slot (unadvertised) so you can use them as a nice Linux desktop if you want. Dell has deals every once in a while for these systems in the range of $300-400 in their minimum configurations. Check slickdeals.net for the coupon codes.

Dec. 23, 2004

cheap Compaq at Staples

by Bill Mills-Curran

Staples has a low-priced machine advertised in the Globe: $199.94 for a Compaq Presario with an AMD Sempron processor. Any idea how this might work with Linux? I picked up a cheap Compaq at Walmart a year ago, and I returned it because it was such a dog. TIA, Bill

Dec. 23, 2004

Items available to good home

by Theo Van Dinter

On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 08:35:29PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > The next WLUG meeting will be held on Wednesday, December 15th at 7:00 PM. Hey everyone. Sorry to go off-topic for a minute, but I'm going to be moving in the near future, and have a lot of items which need a new home. With the upcoming WLUG meeting (which I'm planning to attend), it seemed like a good time to post the list. :) If you're interested in any of the items, I'll be happy to bring them out to Worcester on Wednesday, and you can get them after the meeting. The list is available at: http://www.kluge.net/stuff/ -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Don't tell my kids I'm going to jail! Tell them I joined the Blue Man Group ... I'm the fat one!" - Homer Simpson, A Star is Born Again

Dec. 12, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Guest Speaker 'maddog'

by Charles R. Anderson

On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 08:02:30PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > Here is a WPI campus map which may be of use to you. > http://wlug.org/files/wpi_campus_map.pdf > On this map, the Access Grid room is approximately between locations denoted A > and H. Olin Hall is at location 21. > > Remember, we're meeting in Olin Hall room 107. I've also added directions to Olin 107 on the web site: http://www.wlug.org/directions.html

Dec. 11, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Guest Speaker 'maddog'

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 09 December 2004 8:35 pm, Andy Stewart wrote: > > There is a reasonable probability that the meeting location will move. If > so, I'll let you know, and I'll also have a sign posted at the Access Grid > room if we do move elsewhere on campus. For now, assume that we'll be in > the usual place. HI everybody, Indeed, the meeting room has changed, in anticipation of a larger crowd than normal. I'll update the website shortly. We shall be meeting not in the Access Grid room (aka the usual place), but in Olin Hall room 107. Olin Hall is across campus from where we normally meet. We have had a few meetings there in the past. Here is a WPI campus map which may be of use to you. http://wlug.org/files/wpi_campus_map.pdf On this map, the Access Grid room is approximately between locations denoted A and H. Olin Hall is at location 21. Remember, we're meeting in Olin Hall room 107. We're also hoping that our friends from the IEEE Worcester Section will be able to join us at this meeting. See ya there! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQFBukcvHl0iXDssISsRAiWhAJiyDiRIEfKVgZHXnbfgPtb13EL3AJ9NlEBu ayDwPgPJ/9OCXQf2VyrvPg== =3rca -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Dec. 11, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Big Package

by Gary＠home

Please excuse the slightly off-topic comment from this AMD fan-boy... But *if* Sun gains any traction selling these machines the stock could appeciate nicely...maybe even spectacularly. Now is a nice time buy while the stock is relatively cheap if you can tolerate the risk, which is significant. -- Gary Chuck Haines wrote: >Yea, I installed KDE. Just to test the system compiling, we did >various -jXX to see what would happen. At -j100 to gcc the system >load avg was about 50, however the system was as responsive as if >there was no load average, it was awesome. We finally got the load >average to over 200 when the machine finally starting having severe >lag problems. > >CH > > >On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 21:26:14 -0500, Gary at home <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > > >>Awesome! I'm jealous. >> >>How about Gnome or KDE? >> >>-- Gary >> >> >> >>Chuck Haines wrote: >> >> >> >>>Can anyone suggest a really big package to compile on a Sun 64 bit >>>operton machine? We just got a new one and I want to test it out. >>> >>>CH >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > >

Dec. 10, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Big Package

by Chuck Haines

Yea, I installed KDE. Just to test the system compiling, we did various -jXX to see what would happen. At -j100 to gcc the system load avg was about 50, however the system was as responsive as if there was no load average, it was awesome. We finally got the load average to over 200 when the machine finally starting having severe lag problems. CH On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 21:26:14 -0500, Gary at home <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > Awesome! I'm jealous. > > How about Gnome or KDE? > > -- Gary > > > > Chuck Haines wrote: > > >Can anyone suggest a really big package to compile on a Sun 64 bit > >operton machine? We just got a new one and I want to test it out. > > > >CH > > > > > > > > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity http://www.tkezm.org WPI Class of 2005 http://www.wpi.edu ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- GPG Fingerprint: 303A AB50 4EA9 70ED 2E30 2368 C9CD CCB5 4BD7 0989 GPG Key: http://www.maxslack.com/gpgkey.txt

Dec. 10, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Big Package

by Gary＠home

Awesome! I'm jealous. How about Gnome or KDE? -- Gary Chuck Haines wrote: >Can anyone suggest a really big package to compile on a Sun 64 bit >operton machine? We just got a new one and I want to test it out. > >CH > > >

Dec. 10, 2004

Reminder: Guest Speaker 'maddog'

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, The next WLUG meeting will be held on Wednesday, December 15th at 7:00 PM. Our guest speaker will be Jon 'maddog' Hall, the Executive Director of Linux International, and his topic will be: "The Many Ways of Making Money with Free and Open Source" Details about the talk, and some biographical information about our speaker, can be found on the WLUG home page. maddog is a great speaker who has spoken at several WLUG meetings in the past. His talks are always quite informative and entertaining, and the response from the WLUG membership has been overwhelmingly positive. There is a reasonable probability that the meeting location will move. If so, I'll let you know, and I'll also have a sign posted at the Access Grid room if we do move elsewhere on campus. For now, assume that we'll be in the usual place. Bring your friends! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBuP1hHl0iXDssISsRAkHHAJ9n3VutYSp/NYpLuE3aktHJ7nQWwQCeOfRX GZS/95jLP0UPNadePoV63Xo= =NEY4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Dec. 10, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Big Package

by Mike Frysinger

On Thursday 09 December 2004 02:59 pm, Brian J. Conway wrote: > On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Chuck Haines wrote: > > Can anyone suggest a really big package to compile on a Sun 64 bit > > operton machine? We just got a new one and I want to test it out. > > Mozilla? OpenOffice.org? hello.c? moz is good ... OOo.org is a REAL good test (on a 1gig G4 w/1gig off ram it easilly takes over 24hours) from the sounds of it though, i think you want to measure your vpenis ... http://dev.gentoo.org/~vapier/vpenis -mike

Dec. 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Big Package

by Brian J. Conway

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Chuck Haines wrote: > Can anyone suggest a really big package to compile on a Sun 64 bit > operton machine? We just got a new one and I want to test it out. Mozilla? OpenOffice.org? hello.c? Brian J. Conway bconway(at)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Dec. 9, 2004

Big Package

by Chuck Haines

Can anyone suggest a really big package to compile on a Sun 64 bit operton machine? We just got a new one and I want to test it out. CH -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity http://www.tkezm.org WPI Class of 2005 http://www.wpi.edu ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- GPG Fingerprint: 303A AB50 4EA9 70ED 2E30 2368 C9CD CCB5 4BD7 0989 GPG Key: http://www.maxslack.com/gpgkey.txt

Dec. 9, 2004

Printing problems

by Don Peterson

Hi All, I am having trouble when printing big batches of documents, these are over 20 pages. Everything starts off fine, but then printing stops usually around page 18 to page 22. If I reprint the batch a different number of pages will print, but never all of them. Like I said I usually get anywhere between 18 to 22 pages. I've noticed if I restart the lpd service I can get the batch to reprint fully once. But then when the next batch prints I start having trouble again. Does anyone know if there is a spool limit with lpd? I know you are going to say use CUPS, but I don't want to mess around with my production servers if I don't have to. Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanx, Don

Dec. 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] PCI-X under Linux

by Brian Waite

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:55:36 -0500 (EST), Carlton C. Stedman II <sageman(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > I was just wondering if anyone had any success using PCI-X/PCI-Express > cards under linux. I was looking through the kernel and don't see any > specific settings strictly for PCI-X bus. I wonder if they *just work* > with PCI support enabled, as AGP does. > > I'm specifically interested if anyone has got hardware 3D acceleration > working with a PCI-X video card. I'm looking at getting a mid-range NVidia > card, since their drivers are at least useable under linux, compared to > the atrocious performance and glitches the ATI proprietary drivers have > (and the open drivers being worked on are not overly worried with the card > I have, and the R300 driver doesn't have any sort of 3D acceleration right > now). > > As far as I can understand from the docs on nvidia's website, it seems > like it'll just work, but was interested if anyone had any success. In > particular I'm looking at the nvidia 6600gt series. Any input would be > much appreciated. Thanks. Carlton, I use PCI-X cards here at the office. Most of the support for PCI-X is relegated to the specific platform support areas. For example I use PowerPC 74xx processors on Marvell bridges and it works. You might need to do some research on your specific combinations, but being x86 based you'll probably have support. I can't say I've tested any Nvidea cards though so I can be of limited success. Thanks Brian

Nov. 29, 2004

PCI-X under Linux

by Carlton C. Stedman II

I was just wondering if anyone had any success using PCI-X/PCI-Express cards under linux. I was looking through the kernel and don't see any specific settings strictly for PCI-X bus. I wonder if they *just work* with PCI support enabled, as AGP does. I'm specifically interested if anyone has got hardware 3D acceleration working with a PCI-X video card. I'm looking at getting a mid-range NVidia card, since their drivers are at least useable under linux, compared to the atrocious performance and glitches the ATI proprietary drivers have (and the open drivers being worked on are not overly worried with the card I have, and the R300 driver doesn't have any sort of 3D acceleration right now). As far as I can understand from the docs on nvidia's website, it seems like it'll just work, but was interested if anyone had any success. In particular I'm looking at the nvidia 6600gt series. Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks. CCS -- Carlton C. Stedman II, sageman(a)wpi.edu "To iterate is human, to recurse, divine." -- L. Peter Deutch

Nov. 26, 2004

Linux Job Opportunity

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, I am posting this for a technical recruiter. If you have interest in the position, or know someone who does, please contact the recruiter directly. ====start===== My name is Tom Di Filippo. I am a technical recruiter in the Boston area. I am conducting a confidential search for one of my client companies that is specifically looking for several Software Engineers with desktop Linux experience. Below is a brief overview of what they are looking for. If you or any of your colleagues are interested in hearing more about these opportunities please contact me directly. Thank you in advance for your help. Senior/Principal Engineer, Linux Client (positions at various levels) * Will design and implement portable runtime environment on a Linux desktop platform * Experience with any of the following: Java, Swing, JNI, C++, MFC, ATL, COM, ActiveX. * IE Browser Control and/or Mozilla Geiko engine. * Embedding Media Players into client applications. * Multithreading, X Windows Window Manager development. * Linux device driver development and integration Kind regards, Thomas Di Filippo Market Manager, Client Services (IT and Engineering Staffing) Kforce Professional Staffing 20 Mall Road, Suite 400 Burlington, MA 01803 (781) 359-1707 tdifilippo(a)kforce.com ====end===== - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBo9GsHl0iXDssISsRArtgAKCBx+gDu6gDgUsuz0o1/eONNVa9wwCeKR3r +c2BVq+82puWli3hzTODygU= =Y8uw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Nov. 24, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linksys WPC11 v3 Wireless Card in SuSE 9.1

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 15 November 2004 6:53 pm, Chuck Haines wrote: > Has anyone gotten a WPC11 ver 3 wireless card to work in suse 9.1? > YaST detects the card, however I cannot get it to use WEP correctly > and since both WPI and my home network require it, I'm outta luck > right now. Any help with this would be much appreciated. > > Chuck HI Chuck, I am using an Orinoco Silver wireless card with SuSE 9.1 on my laptop. I am using WEP, so I hope my comments will be helpful even though my card is not the same as yours. First, is it feasible to temporarily turn off WEP on the card and on the home network and make your card work with your network that way? This will insure that you have the proper kernel modules installed, the card isn't broken, etc. Note that the range of this card is IMHO rather poor, so stay close to the wireless access point. When you configure the card via YaST, you should see your config info in the /etc/sysconfig/network directory. For my system, the file is ifcfg-wlan-bus-pcmcia. In that file, note that WIRELESS_KEY_n (0<=n<=3) should be equal to the null string for disabled WEP. I also have STARTMODE='hotplug' to ease my life. The WIRELESS_MODE is 'Ad-hoc'. There should be a value for WIRELESS_ESSID specific to your network. If that works (and please let me know if it does), then I was able to enable WEP by the following settings: WIRELESS_KEY_0="A1B2C3D4E5" where you would put the 5 hex bytes of your key between the double quotes. For some reason, I have WIRELESS_KEY_LENGTH='128', but 5 hex bytes is only 40 bits, so go figure. I did have a WPC11 card at one time, and I could not get > 40 bit WEP to work at all. I don't know if this is (was) a 'feature' of the WPC11, some limitation of Linux, or my own ineptitude. - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBmVP2Hl0iXDssISsRAn6AAJ9lqNApXvHYtA4527Qep67ui02fkACfTh6m QK/YCIBHRc5VsSZ1tlFViY0= =fsBv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Nov. 16, 2004

Linksys WPC11 v3 Wireless Card in SuSE 9.1

by Chuck Haines

Has anyone gotten a WPC11 ver 3 wireless card to work in suse 9.1? YaST detects the card, however I cannot get it to use WEP correctly and since both WPI and my home network require it, I'm outta luck right now. Any help with this would be much appreciated. Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity http://www.tkezm.org WPI Class of 2005 http://www.wpi.edu ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

Nov. 15, 2004

[jmorris@redhat.com: Linux Journal Article]

by Charles R. Anderson

----- Forwarded message from James Morris <jmorris(a)redhat.com> ----- From: James Morris <jmorris(a)redhat.com> To: selinux(a)tycho.nsa.gov Cc: fedora-selinux-list(a)redhat.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:48:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Linux Journal Article Message-ID: <Xine.LNX.4.44.0411122147260.7482-100000(a)thoron.boston.redhat.com> Reply-To: "Fedora SELinux support list for users & developers." <fedora-selinux-list(a)redhat.com> What's New in Fedora Core 3 SE Linux By Faye Coker http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/7887 -- James Morris <jmorris(a)redhat.com> -- fedora-selinux-list mailing list fedora-selinux-list(a)redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-selinux-list ----- End forwarded message -----

Nov. 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Website whoopsies...

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 09 November 2004 9:36 am, Keller, Tim wrote: > I won't be able to make it to the meeting because 'm not sure what day > "Thursdayday" is... :-) > > Also the link at the bottom to St IgnuCIUS is broken... Both fixed...thanks for the head's up. Secretly, this is how I insure that people actually *read* the website. :-) Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBkU8uHl0iXDssISsRAuuBAJ0TJzqjeLyIxm8AYRBHS4JwTn5nUgCeNFer AhS0ln2t02zC/qikKXPaDSg= =aQr8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Nov. 9, 2004

JOB Opening Linux (UML) skills needed

by John Spencer

Hello All, I am doing some networking for an opening I have in northern MA/southern NH. I currently need the following: Sr. level engineer with extensive experience with Linux to work with their application software development team. My client is simulating multiple embedded cards using User Mode Linux (UML) sessions for each processor. Experience with: -User Mode Linux (a must) -Networking experience (a must) -Embedded and host Linux -Writing device drivers under Linux a strong plus -C/C++ programming If you are interested and qualified for this role, please call me or send me an email with your resume so I can contact you with the details. I will not send your resume anywhere without talking to you first. Regards, John John Spencer (978) 256-1113 ext 108 jspencer @ optimaleng.com OPTIMAL ENGINEERING PARTNERS "Your Optimal partner for real-time, embedded and systems development expertise" www.optimalengineering.com Regards, John John Spencer (978) 256-1113 ext 108 jspencer(a)optimaleng.com OPTIMAL ENGINEERING PARTNERS "Your Optimal partner for real-time, embedded and systems development expertise" www.optimalengineering.com

Nov. 9, 2004

Website whoopsies...

by Keller, Tim

I won't be able to make it to the meeting because 'm not sure what day "Thursdayday" is... :-) Also the link at the bottom to St IgnuCIUS is broken... Later, Tim.

Nov. 9, 2004

REMINDER: WLUG Meeting - Thursday!

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everyone, We'll be having our next WLUG meeting on Thursday, November 11th at 7:00 PM in the usual place. Chuck Anderson is going to talk to us rather informally (a la the Gentoo meeting) about what is new and different in Fedora Core 3. He'll also have a PC or two for a live demo. Coming in December: Our guest speaker at the December 15th meeting will be Jon 'maddog' Hall. If you never come to another WLUG meeting, be sure you make it to this meeting! maddog is a fantastic speaker that you don't want to miss. He has spoken at several WLUG meetings in the past and the feedback has been universally positive. Please see the WLUG website for more details about maddog's talk. Starting in January 2005: It looks like our meeting location will be used for a class on Wednesday evening. It may be possible for us to find another location on campus for our Wednesday meetings. Another possibility is to have occasional meetings on Monday evening. Right now, we alternate between Wednesday and Thursday evening. I know that if we changed to Mon/Thurs meeting nights, some folks would like it and others would not. There's really no way to make everybody happy here, except perhaps to find another campus location for Wednesday evening meetings. Stay tuned...nothing is definite yet. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBkAlbHl0iXDssISsRAtpNAJ4393ZnBSizHZIWrUK0KTx3YOV/7gCfd1lL oPBP1OtzG93IQVrlPYQ7QNU= =QKLg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Nov. 9, 2004

SSH stops working?

by Skip Gaede

Hi Folks, I have both Linux and WXP on my home machine and do remote maintenance on a Linux gateway. The linux gateway is configured for doing IPSEC as well as SSH. Some time in the past few months, SSH has ceased to work between both WXP and Linux on my system and the remote gateway. I have not changed anything on either end, as far as I can remember. What's strange is that I can setup an IPSEC tunnel to the gateway, and do SSH to the gateway from the local subnet (my IPSEC IP is 168.192.1.128 and I can SSH to 192.168.1.1). If anyone has any suggestions on how to debug this, I'm all ears. Thanks, Skip

Nov. 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Announcing the release of Fedora Core 3

by Jeff Kinz

On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 04:38:12PM -0500, Don Levey wrote: > jkinz(a)kinz.org wrote: > > Just downloaded the FC3 ISO's from above. In an effort to pay it > > forward a few of you can now download them from: > > > > http://www.kinz.org/FC3Isos.html > > > > discs 2 and 3 are coming. > > > > See the Release Notes in the previous email > > Also keep in mind BitTorrent. It took me about 5 hours today to download > all 4 ISOs and the rescue CD; my machine remains up so that others can do > the same. If even half of those downloading the CDs were to do so via > BitTorrent, and stay up so others can do so, the number of mirrors for the > ISOs increases dramatically, and download time reduces to the capacity of > your pipe. Yup, BT works great. The server I had it on is torn down at the moment, so these iso's are going up on another machine. If I have the opportunity later I'll put up a torrent node. -- Linux/Open Source. Your base belongs to you, free, forever. Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/ "Last one into space is a rotten egg!" <a href=http://kinz.org>http://kinz.org</a> Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. ~ ~ ~ ~

Nov. 8, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Re: Announcing the release of Fedora Core 3

by Don Levey

wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 12:32:40PM -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: >> If anyone wants FC3, you can get it here: >> >> http://download.wpi.edu/pub/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/core/3/ >> > > Just downloaded the FC3 ISO's from above. In an effort to pay it > forward a few of you can now download them from: > > http://www.kinz.org/FC3Isos.html > > discs 2 and 3 are coming. > > See the Release Notes in the previous email Also keep in mind BitTorrent. It took me about 5 hours today to download all 4 ISOs and the rescue CD; my machine remains up so that others can do the same. If even half of those downloading the CDs were to do so via BitTorrent, and stay up so others can do so, the number of mirrors for the ISOs increases dramatically, and download time reduces to the capacity of your pipe. -Don

Nov. 8, 2004

Re: Announcing the release of Fedora Core 3

by Jeff Kinz

On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 12:32:40PM -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > If anyone wants FC3, you can get it here: > > http://download.wpi.edu/pub/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/core/3/ > Just downloaded the FC3 ISO's from above. In an effort to pay it forward a few of you can now download them from: http://www.kinz.org/FC3Isos.html discs 2 and 3 are coming. See the Release Notes in the previous email -- Linux/Open Source. Your base belongs to you, free, forever. Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/ "Last one into space is a rotten egg!" <a href=http://kinz.org>http://kinz.org</a> Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. ~ ~ ~ ~

Nov. 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] nvidia & digital (?) output

by Brian J. Conway

On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Can anyone point me in the right direction for configuring my nvidia > card to use the digital output? I just unboxed an LCD monitor, and > I'd like to try the digital video. Is it just a reboot? > > Should I expect much (any?) difference. It should be automatic, just power down, plug everything in, turn it on and it'll be seen. There shouldn't be much in the way of configuration changes. I haven't been able to see any difference between the two, but it's still the "better" way of doing things, and you might as well use the better cable since someone spent the money on an LCD that can use both. Brian J. Conway bconway(at)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Nov. 8, 2004

nvidia & digital (?) output

by Bill Mills-Curran

Can anyone point me in the right direction for configuring my nvidia card to use the digital output? I just unboxed an LCD monitor, and I'd like to try the digital video. Is it just a reboot? Should I expect much (any?) difference. Thanks, Bill

Nov. 8, 2004

[notting@redhat.com: Announcing the release of Fedora Core 3]

by Charles R. Anderson

If anyone wants FC3, you can get it here: http://download.wpi.edu/pub/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/core/3/ Release Notes below: ----- Forwarded message from Bill Nottingham <notting(a)redhat.com> ----- From: Bill Nottingham <notting(a)redhat.com> To: mirror-list(a)redhat.com Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:13:22 -0500 Subject: Announcing the release of Fedora Core 3 Message-ID: <20041108161322.GA18989(a)nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Precedence: junk Reply-To: mirror-list-d(a)redhat.com, fedora-list(a)redhat.com The Fedora Project and Red Hat would like to announce the third release of Fedora Core. Fedora Core 3 is a general purpose Linux operating system, available for x86 and x86-64 processors. Fedora Core 3, includes: - the 2.6.9 Linux kernel - Xorg 6.8.1 - GNOME 2.8 - KDE 3.3.0 - GCC 3.4 - SELinux The Fedora Project would like to thank the thousands of community members whose testing and contributions have raised the bar of quality and made this release possible. What is the Fedora Project? The Fedora Project is a Red Hat-sponsored and community-supported open source project that promotes rapid development of innovative open source software through a collaborative, community effort. Fedora Core 3 provides a complete Linux platform built exclusively from open source software. Available at no cost, the release serves the needs of community developers, testers, and other technology enthusiasts who wish to participate in and accelerate the technology development process. As a community forum for advanced development, the Fedora Project provides early visibility to the latest open source technology and serves as a proving ground for technology that may eventually make its way into Red Hat's fully-supported commercial solutions such as Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Red Hat contributes development resources, editorial direction and management to the Fedora Project. For more information, see http://fedora.redhat.com/ How Can I Get Fedora Core 3? Fedora Core 3 x86 or x86-64 Downloads are available from: http://fedora.redhat.com/download/ or from the network of mirrors in the Fedora Project distribution system. Users may prefer to download Fedora Core via BitTorrent, or via older file retrieval protocols such as HTTP, FTP, or RSYNC. BitTorrent typically provides faster download speeds than HTTP, FTP, or RSYNC. BitTorrent RPMS for Red Hat Linux and Fedora Core are available with detailed instructions at http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/ From Red Hat: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ Via BitTorrent: http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/heidelberg-binary-i386.torrent http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/heidelberg-binary-x86_64.torrent http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/fedora-torrent/heidelberg-binary-i386-iso.torrent http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/fedora-torrent/heidelberg-binary-x86_64-iso.torr… See http://torrent.linux.duke.edu/ or http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/fedora-torrent/ for other forms. Via HTTP/FTP/RSYNC from mirrors: * North America: * USA: * ftp://fedora.cat.pdx.edu/linux/core/3 * http://fedora.cat.pdx.edu/linux/core/3 * rsync://fedora.cat.pdx.edu/fedora-linux-core/3 * ftp://mirror.stanford.edu/pub/mirrors/fedora/linux/core/3 * http://mirror.stanford.edu/fedora/linux/core/3 * rsync://mirror.stanford.edu/mirrors/fedora/linux/core/3 * ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * http://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/core/3/ * ftp://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/core/3/ * rsync://mirror.hiwaay.net/fedora-linux-core/3/ * ftp://ftp.ndlug.nd.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/3 * http://ftp.ndlug.nd.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/3 * rsync://ftp.ndlug.nd.edu/fedora-linux-core/3 * ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/core/3 * http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/core/3 * rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/core/3 * http://fedora.glorb.com/core/3 * ftp://ftp.ale.org/mirrors/fedora/linux/core/3 * http://ftp.ale.org/mirrors/fedora/linux/core/3 * http://mirror.linux.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * ftp://mirror.linux.duke.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * rsync://mirror.linux.duke.edu/fedora-linux-core/3/ * ftp://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mirrors/fedora/linux/core/3/ - Hawaii Only * ftp://redhat.secsup.org/pub/linux/redhat/fedora/core/3 * http://redhat.secsup.org/fedora/core/3 * rsync://fedora.secsup.org/core/3/ * ftp://mirror.eas.muohio.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/3 * http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/fedora.redhat/linux/core/3 * ftp://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/fedora.redhat/linux/core/3 * rsync://rsync.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/fedora-linux-core/3 * ftp://mirror.newnanutilities.org/pub/fedora/linux/core/3 * http://mirror.newnanutilities.org/pub/fedora/linux/core/3 * ftp://ftp.dc.aleron.net/pub/linux/fedora/linux/core/3/ * http://ftp.dc.aleron.net/pub/linux/fedora/linux/core/3/ * ftp://ftp.net.usf.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/3 * Canada: * ftp://less.cogeco.net/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * http://less.cogeco.net/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * ftp://ftp.nrc.ca/pub/systems/linux/redhat/fedora/linux/core/3/ * rsync://ftp.nrc.ca/fedora/linux/core/3/ * http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/fedora/linux/core/3/ * ftp://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/fedora/linux/core/3/ * rsync://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/fedora/linux/core/3/ * http://gulus.USherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/fedora/linux/core/3/ * ftp://ftp.muug.mb.ca/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * http://www.muug.mb.ca/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * rsync://rsync.muug.mb.ca/fedora-linux-core/3/ * South America: * Chile: * ftp://ftp.tecnoera.com/pub/fedora/linux/3/ * http://ftp.tecnoera.com/pub/fedora/linux/3/ * rsync://ftp.tecnoera.com/pub/fedora/linux/3/ * ftp://mirror.netglobalis.net/pub/fedora/core/3/ * http://mirror.netglobalis.net/pub/fedora/core/3/ * Brazil: * ftp://ftp.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/fedora/core/3/ * http://www.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/fedora/core/3/ * rsync://rsync.las.ic.unicamp.br/fedora-linux-core/3 * Europe: * Austria: * ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/fedora/core/3/ * http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/fedora/core/3/ * rsync://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/fedora/core/3/ * Czech Republic: * ftp://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/pub/fedora/3/ * http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/pub/fedora/3/ * rsync://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/fedora/fedora/3/ * ftp://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/fedora-core/3/ * rsync://ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/fedora-core/3/ * ftp://ftp6.linux.cz/pub/linux/fedora-core/3/ (IPv6) * ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/linux/fedora-core/3/ * ftp://ftp1.skynet.cz/pub/linux/fedora/3/ * Denmark: * ftp://klid.dk/fedora/linux/core/3 * http://klid.dk/homeftp/fedora/linux/core/3/ * Estonia: * ftp://redhat.linux.ee/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * http://redhat.linux.ee/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * Finland: * ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/ftp.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/ftp.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * ftp://ftp.ipv6.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/ftp.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * http://ftp.ipv6.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/ftp.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * France: * ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/3/ * http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/3/ * ftp://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/linux/distributions/fedora/3/ * http://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/linux/distributions/fedora/3/ * ftp://ftp.proxad.net/mirrors/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/core/3/ * http://ftp.crihan.fr/mirrors/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/core/3 * ftp://ftp.crihan.fr/mirrors/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/core/3 * rsync://ftp.crihan.fr/mirrors/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/core/3 * Germany: * ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/fedora-core/3/ * http://wftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/fedora-core/3/ * ftp://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/Mirrors/fedora.redhat.com/linux/core/3/ * http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/Mirrors/fedora.redhat.com/linux/core/3/ * rsync://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/fedora.redhat.com/linux/core/3 * http://download.atrpms.net/mirrors/fedoracore/3/ * ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/pub/linux/Mirror/ftp.redhat.com/fedor… * ftp://ftp.join.uni-muenster.de/pub/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/core/3/ * http://ftp.join.uni-muenster.de/pub/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/core/3/ * rsync: ftp.join.uni-muenster.de::fedora/linux/core/3/ * ftp://ftp.stw-bonn.de/pub/mirror/fedora/linux/core/ * Greece: * ftp://ftp.otenet.gr/pub/linux/fedora/linux/core/3/ * Ireland: * http://ftp.esat.net/mirrors/download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/cor… * ftp://ftp.esat.net/mirrors/download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core… * rsync://ftp.esat.net/mirrors/download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/co… * ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * rsync://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * Netherlands: * ftp://alviss.et.tudelft.nl/pub/fedora/core/3/ * ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/fedora/3/ * http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/fedora/3/ * rsync://ftp.nluug.nl/Fedora/3/ * ftp://ftp.surfnet.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/fedora/3/ * http://ftp.surfnet.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/fedora/3/ * rsync://ftp.surfnet.nl/Fedora/3/ * ftp://ftp.quicknet.nl/pub/Linux/download.fedora.redhat.com/3 * ftp://ftp.tudelft.nl/d1/Linux/download.fedora.redhat.com/3/ * Norway: * ftp://ftp.uninett.no/pub/linux/Fedora/core/3/ * rsync://ftp.uninett.no/fedora-linux-core/3/ * Poland: * ftp://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/Linux/fedora/linux/core/3/ * http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/Linux/fedora/linux/core/3/ * rsync://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/Linux/fedora/linux/core/3/ * ftp://ftp.wsisiz.edu.pl/pub/Linux/fedora/linux/core/3/ * ftp://ftp.ps.pl/pub/linux/fedora-core/3 * http://ftp.ps.pl/pub/linux/fedora-core/3 * Portugal: * ftp://ftp.di.fct.unl.pt/pub/linux/fedora/3/ * http://ftp.di.fct.unl.pt/pub/linux/fedora/3/ * Romania: * ftp://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/pub/mirrors/fedora.redhat.com/core/3/ * http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/fedora.redhat.com/core/3/ * rsync://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/fedora-core/core/3/ * ftp://ftp.lug.ro/fedora/linux/core/3 * http://ftp.lug.ro/fedora/linux/core/3 * Russia: * http://ftp.chg.ru/pub/Linux/fedora/linux/core/3/ * ftp://ftp.chg.ru/pub/Linux/fedora/linux/core/3/ * Spain: * ftp://ftp.udl.es/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * http://ftp.udl.es/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * rsync://ftp.udl.es/fedora/linux/core/3/ * ftp://ftp.cica.es/fedora/linux/core/3/ * http://sunsite.rediris.es/mirror/fedora.redhat/3 * ftp://ftp.rediris.es/mirror/fedora.redhat/3 * Slovenia: * http://mirrors.bevc.net/fedora/core/3/ * ftp://ftp.bevc.net/mirrors/fedora/core/3/ * Sweden: * ftp://ftp.chl.chalmers.se/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * United Kingdom: * http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/li… * ftp://ftp.mirrorservice.org/sites/download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/lin… * rsync://rsync.mirrorservice.org/sites/download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora… * Asia/Pacific: * Australia: * http://planetmirror.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * rsync://rsync.planetmirror.com/fedora-linux-core/3/ * ftp://ftp.netcraft.com.au/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * China: * ftp://ftp.hostrino.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * http://ftp.hostrino.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/ * Japan: * ftp://ftp.riken.jp/Linux/fedora/core/3/ * http://ftp.riken.jp/Linux/fedora/core/3/ * rsync://ftp.riken.jp/fedora/core/3/ * ftp://download.sfc.wide.ad.jp/pub/Linux/Fedora/3/ * http://download.sfc.wide.ad.jp/pub/Linux/Fedora/3/ * ftp://ftp.kddialbs.jp/Linux/packages/fedora/core/3/ * http://ftp.kddialbs.jp/Linux/packages/fedora/core/3/ * rsync://ftp.kddilabs.jp/fedora/core/3/ * New Zealand: * ftp://ftp.wicks.co.nz/pub/linux/dist/fedora/3/ * Taiwan: * http://ftp.isu.edu.tw/pub/Linux/Fedora/linux/core/3 * ftp://ftp.isu.edu.tw/pub/Linux/Fedora/linux/core/3 More mirrors will come on line as time passes; please see http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html for a list of mirrors that carry Fedora Core. Fedora Core 3 Release Notes Copyright (c) 2004 Red Hat, Inc. Permission is granted to copy, distribute, and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts. A copy of the license is available at [1]http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl.html. This document may be copied and distributed in any medium, either commercially or non-commercially, provided that the GNU Free Documentation License (FDL), the copyright notices, and the license notice saying the GNU FDL applies to the document are reproduced in all copies, and that you add no other conditions whatsoever to those of the GNU FDL. Red Hat, Red Hat Network, the Red Hat "Shadow Man" logo, RPM, Maximum RPM, the RPM logo, Linux Library, PowerTools, Linux Undercover, RHmember, RHmember More, Rough Cuts, Rawhide and all Red Hat-based trademarks and logos are trademarks or registered trademarks of Red Hat, Inc. in the United States and other countries. The Fedora trademark is a trademark of Red Hat, Inc. in the United States and other countries. Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds. All other trademarks and copyrights referred to are the property of their respective owners. The GPG fingerprint of the "Fedora Project <fedora(a)redhat.com>" key is: CA B4 4B 99 6F 27 74 4E 86 12 7C DF B4 42 69 D0 4F 2A 6F D2 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Introduction The Fedora Project is an openly-developed project designed by Red Hat, open for general participation, led by a meritocracy, and following a set of project objectives. The results from this project include Fedora Core, a complete, general-purpose operating system built exclusively from open source software. Note Fedora Core is not a supported product of Red Hat, Inc. For more information, refer to the Fedora Project overview later in this document. The following topics related to Fedora Core 3 are covered in this document: o Introduction (this section) o Hardware requirements o Overview of this release o Installation-related notes o Package-specific notes o Packages added/removed/deprecated o An overview of the Fedora Project Hardware Requirements The following information represents the minimum hardware requirements necessary to successfully install Fedora Core 3. Note The compatibility/availability of other hardware components (such as video and network cards) may be required for specific installation modes and/or post-installation usage. CPU Requirements This section lists the CPU specifications required by Fedora Core 3. Note The following CPU specifications are stated in terms of Intel processors. Other processors (notably, offerings from AMD, Cyrix, and VIA) that are compatible with and equivalent to the following Intel processors may also be used with Fedora Core. o Minimum: Pentium-class Fedora Core 3 is optimized for Pentium 4 CPUs, but also supports earlier CPUs (such as Pentium, Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Pentium III, and including AMD and VIA variants). This approach has been taken because Pentium-class optimizations actually result in reduced performance for non-Pentium-class processors, and Pentium 4 scheduling is sufficiently different (while making up the bulk of today's processors) to warrant this change. o Recommended for text-mode: 200 MHz Pentium-class or better o Recommended for graphical: 400 MHz Pentium II or better Hard Disk Space Requirements This section lists the disk space required to install Fedora Core 3. Note The disk space requirements listed below represent the disk space taken up by Fedora Core 3 after the installation is complete. However, additional disk space is required during the installation to support the installation environment. This additional disk space corresponds to the size of /Fedora/base/stage2.img (on CD-ROM 1) plus the size of the files in /var/lib/rpm on the installed system. In practical terms, this means that as little as an additional 90MB can be required for a minimal installation, while as much as an additional 175MB can be required for an "everything" installation. Also, keep in mind that additional space will be required for any user data, and at least 5% free space should be maintained for proper system operation. o Custom Installation (Minimal): 620MB o Server: 1.1GB o Personal Desktop: 2.3GB o Workstation: 3.0GB o Custom Installation (Everything): 6.9GB Memory Requirements This section lists the memory required to install Fedora Core 3. o Minimum for text-mode: 64MB o Minimum for graphical: 192MB o Recommended for graphical: 256MB Overview of This Release The following list includes brief summaries of some of the more significant aspects of Fedora Core 3: o Fedora Core 3 contains the following changes: o GCC 3.4 o GNOME 2.8 o KDE 3.3 o SELinux -- This includes a new "targeted" policy that monitors specific daemons with less intrusion than the strict policy in use before. This policy is enabled by default. For more information, refer to: [2]http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/selinux-faq/ o Indic language support o Firefox and Mozilla can be enabled with pango rendering support, which enables many text layout features, including the rendering of CTL (Complex Text Layout) such as Indic languages. To enable this, set the following environment variable when running Firefox or Mozilla: MOZ_ENABLE_PANGO=1 o Kernel and e2fsprogs support for online growing of ext3 file systems o Various desktop-related features, including, but not limited to: o Remote desktops using VNC ([3]http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2004-June/msg00007.html) o Printing improvements ([4]http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-June/msg00370.html) o Evolution 2.0 Note VMware WS 4.5.2 is known to work on Fedora Core 3 after the following workarounds are used: o You must upgrade the kernel modules and configuration using the unofficial vmware-any-any-* toolkit available from: [5]http://platan.vc.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/ o After vmware-config.pl is run and the VMware modules are loaded, the following command creates the /sys/class/* nodes needed for udev: cp -rp /dev/vm* /etc/udev/devices/ Installation-Related Notes This section outlines those issues that are related to Anaconda (the Fedora Core installation program) and installing Fedora Core 3 in general. Note If you intend to download the Fedora Core 3 DVD ISO image, keep in mind that not all file downloading tools can accommodate files larger than 2GB in size. For example, wget will exit with a File size limit exceeded error. The curl and ncftpget file downloading tools do not have this limitation, and can successfully download files larger than 2GB. Anaconda Notes o The Fedora Core installation program has the ability to test the integrity of the installation media. It works with the CD, DVD, hard drive ISO, and NFS ISO installation methods. Red Hat recommends that you test all installation media before starting the installation process, and before reporting any installation-related bugs (many of the bugs reported are actually due to improperly-burned CDs). To use this test, type linux mediacheck at the boot: prompt. o Memory testing may be performed prior to installing Fedora Core by entering memtest86 at the boot: prompt. This causes the Memtest86 standalone memory testing software to run. Memtest86 memory testing continues until the Esc key is pressed. NOTE: You must boot from CD-ROM 1 (or a rescue CD-ROM) in order to use this feature. o Fedora Core 3 supports graphical FTP and HTTP installations. However, due to the necessity of containing the installer image in RAM, only systems with more than 128MB of RAM (or systems booted from CD-ROM 1, which contains the installer image) can use the graphical installer. Systems with 128MB or less will continue to use the text-based installer. Installation-Related Issues o Certain hardware configurations (particularly those with LCD displays) may experience problems while starting the Fedora Core installation program. In these instances, restart the installation, and add the "nofb" option to the boot command line. NOTE: Chinese, Japanese, and Korean graphical installations started using the "nofb" option will start in English, and then switch to the appropriate language once the graphical phase of the installation process begins. o Some Sony VAIO(R) notebook systems may experience problems installing Fedora Core from CD-ROM. If this happens, restart the installation process and add the following option to the boot command line: pci=off ide1=0x180,0x386 This option allows the installation to proceed normally; any devices not detected due to the use of this option will be configured the first time Fedora Core is booted. o Serial mice are known to be inoperative during installation. However, there are indications that serial mice work properly in X after the installation has completed. Refer to bug 119474 for more information: [6]http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=119474 o There have been issues observed when upgrading Red Hat Linux 7.<x>, 8.0, 9, and Fedora Core 1 systems running Ximian GNOME. The issue is caused by version overlap between the official Red Hat Linux RPMs (or the ones from the Fedora Project) and the Ximian RPMs. This configuration is not supported. You have several choices in resolving this issue: 1) You may remove Ximian GNOME from your system prior to upgrading to Fedora Core. 2) You may upgrade your system, and then immediately reinstall Ximian GNOME. 3) You may upgrade your system, and then immediately remove all remaining Ximian RPMs, replacing them with the corresponding Fedora Core RPMs. You must resolve the version overlap using one of the above choices. Failure to do so will result in an unstable GNOME configuration. Package-Specific Notes The following sections contain information regarding packages that have undergone significant changes for Fedora Core 3. For easier access, they are organized using the same groups used in Anaconda. Base This section contains information related to basic system components. openssh Fedora Core 3 contains OpenSSH 3.9, which includes strict permission and ownership checks for the ~/.ssh/config file. These checks mean that ssh will exit if this file does not have appropriate ownership and permissions. Therefore, make sure that ~/.ssh/config is owned by the owner of ~/, and that its permissions are set to mode 600. In addition, OpenSSH is no longer configured to request X11 forwarding by default when connecting to servers. To enable X11 forwarding, the -X or -Y option must be specified, or the ForwardX11 option must be enabled in the ~/.ssh/config file. The behavior of ssh clients that are invoked with the -X flag has changed. In OpenSSH 3.8 and later, X11 forwarding is performed in a way that applications run as untrusted clients by default. Previously, X11 forwarding was performed so that applications always ran as trusted clients. Some applications may not function properly when run as untrusted clients. To forward X11 so that applications are run as trusted clients, invoke ssh with the -Y flag instead of the -X flag, or set ForwardX11Trusted in the ~/.ssh/config file. Core This section contains the most elemental components of Fedora Core, including the kernel. e2fsprogs The ext2online utility has been added for online growing of existing ext3 file systems. Note It is important to keep in mind that ext2online does not grow the underlying block device itself -- there must be sufficient unused space already present on the device. The easiest way to ensure this is to use LVM volumes and to run lvresize or lvextend to extend the device. In addition, file systems must be specially prepared in order to be resized past a certain point. The preparation involves reserving a small amount of space into which on-disk tables can grow. For newly-created file systems, mke2fs reserves such space automatically; the space reserved is sufficient to grow the file system by a factor of 1000. The creation of this reserved space can be disabled by the following command: mke2fs -O ^resize_inode Future releases of Fedora Core will allow the creation of this reserved space on existing file systems. glibc o The version of glibc provided with Fedora Core 3 performs additional internal sanity checks to prevent and detect data corruption as early as possible. By default, should corruption be detected, a message similar to the following will be displayed on standard error (or logged via syslog if stderr is not open): *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption: 0x0937d008 *** By default, the program that generated this error will also be killed; however, this (and whether or not an error message is generated) can be controlled via the MALLOC_CHECK_ environment variable. The following settings are supported: o 0 -- Do not generate an error message, and do not kill the program o 1 -- Generate an error message, but do not kill the program o 2 -- Do not generate an error message, but kill the program o 3 -- Generate an error message and kill the program Note If MALLOC_CHECK_ is explicitly set a value other than 0, this causes glibc to perform more tests that are more extensive than the default, and may impact performance. Should you have a program from a third party ISV that triggers these corruption checks and displays a message, you should file a defect report with the application's vendor, since this indicates a serious bug. hotplug The location where hotplug expects firmware to be loaded into (for example, firmware for Cardbus cards) has changed from /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware to /lib/firmware. Existing firmware files must be moved into the new directory. kernel o In the past, the process of updating the kernel did not change the default kernel in the system's boot loader configuration. Fedora Core 3 changes this behavior to set newly-installed kernels as the default. This behavior applies to all installation methods (including rpm -i). This behavior is controlled by two lines in the /etc/sysconfig/kernel file: o UPGRADEDEFAULT -- Controls whether new kernels will be booted by default (default value: yes) o DEFAULTKERNEL -- kernel RPMs whose names match this value will be booted by default (default value: depends on hardware configuration) o In order to eliminate the redundancy inherent in providing a separate package for the kernel source code when that source code already exists in the kernel's .src.rpm file, Fedora Core 3 no longer includes the kernel-source package. Users that require access to the kernel sources can find them in the kernel .src.rpm file. To create an exploded source tree from this file, perform the following steps (note that <version> refers to the version specification for your currently-running kernel): 1. Obtain the kernel-<version>.src.rpm file from one of the following sources: o The SRPMS directory on the appropriate "SRPMS" CD iso image o The FTP site where you got the kernel package o By running the following command: up2date --get-source kernel 2. Install kernel-<version>.src.rpm (given the default RPM configuration, the files this package contains will be written to /usr/src/redhat/) 3. Change directory to /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/, and issue the following command: rpmbuild -bp --target=<arch> kernel.spec (Where <arch> is the desired target architecture.) On a default RPM configuration, the kernel tree will be located in /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/. 4. In resulting tree, the configurations for the specific kernels shipped in Fedora Core 3 are in the /configs/ directory. For example, the i686 SMP configuration file is named /configs/kernel-<version>-i686-smp.config. Issue the following command to place the desired configuration file in the proper place for building: cp <desired-file> ./.config 5. Issue the following command: make oldconfig You can then proceed as usual. Note An exploded source tree is not required to build kernel modules against the currently in-use kernel. For example, to build the foo.ko module, create the following file (named Makefile) in the directory containing the foo.c file: obj-m := foo.o KDIR := /lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build PWD := $(shell pwd) default: $(MAKE) -C $(KDIR) SUBDIRS=$(PWD) modules Issue the make command to build the foo.ko module. o I[2]O SCSI RAID adapters from manufacturers such as Adaptec now use the i2o_block driver, rather than the dpt_i2o driver used by Fedora Core 1 and earlier distributions. Be aware that block devices used by the i2o_block driver are /dev/i2o/hd* rather than the /dev/sd* SCSI devices. This may be problematic for those upgrading from older distributions that used the dpt_i2o driver. Therefore, after an upgrade to Fedora Core 3, you may need to boot using a rescue disk and edit your /etc/fstab file to use the new devices. For more information about the new I[2]O device layer and Fedora Core-specific notes, visit the I[2]O homepage: [7]http://i2o.shadowconnect.com/ Language Support This section includes information related to the support of various languages under Fedora Core. iiimf o The default Input Method (IM) for Chinese (Simplified and Traditional), Japanese, and Korean has been changed to IIIMF -- the Internet/Intranet Input Method Framework. IIIMF is supported as a native GTK2 IM module, and also through XIM using the httx client. IIIMF supports the use of multiple Language Engines (LEs) at the same time; using the GNOME Input Method Language Engine Tool (GIMLET -- an applet) it is possible to switch between LEs of different languages inside GTK2 applications. IIIMF currently defaults to using Ctrl-Space or Shift-Space for toggling the input method on and off (Emacs users can use Ctrl-@ instead of Ctrl-Space to set the mark.) Depending on your selection at the language support screen during installation, one or more IIIMF language engines may be installed. The IIIMF server package (iiimf-server) will also be installed if a language engine has been selected. The language to language engine (LE) package mappings are as follows: o ja_JP -- iiimf-le-canna o zh_CN -- iiimf-le-chinput o zh_TW -- iiimf-le-xcin o ko_KR -- iiimf-le-hangul o {bn,gu,pa,ta,hi}_IN -- iiimf-le-unit Accordingly, input via IIIMF will be enabled if you have chosen one of the following as your default locale: o ja_JP o zh_CN o zh_TW o ko_KR o {bn,gu,pa,ta,hi}_IN To aid your use of IIIMF, if you have selected one of the above locales and you are using the GNOME Desktop, when you first login the GIMLET utility (part of the iiimf-gnome-im-switcher package) will automatically be added to your panel. GIMLET is a utility for switching between the different LEs that are installed on your system. Using a different language engine allows you to enter text in different languages. Alternatively you may add GIMLET manually to your panel by right clicking on the panel and selecting: Add to Panel -> GIMLET Should you wish to switch between IIIMF or the legacy input method framework XIM, you can use the system-switch-im application. After changing the input method framework your changes will be reflected when you next start the X Window System. Mail Server This section contains information related to the mail transport agents included with Fedora Core. mailman Earlier mailman RPMs installed all files under the /var/mailman/ directory. Unfortunately, this did not conform to the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS) and also created security violations when SELinux was enabled. If you previously had mailman installed and had edited files in /var/mailman/ (such as mm_cfg.py) you must move those changes to their new location, as documented in the following file: /usr/share/doc/mailman-*/INSTALL.REDHAT sendmail o By default, the Sendmail mail transport agent (MTA) does not accept network connections from any host other than the local computer. If you want to configure Sendmail as a server for other clients, you must edit /etc/mail/sendmail.mc and change the DAEMON_OPTIONS line to also listen on network devices (or comment out this option entirely using the dnl comment delimiter). You must then regenerate /etc/mail/sendmail.cf by running the following command (as root): make -C /etc/mail Note that you must have the sendmail-cf package installed for this to work. Server Configuration Tools This section contains information related to various server configuration tools. system-config-securitylevel The firewall constructed by the system-config-securitylevel configuration tool now allows CUPS and Multicast DNS (mDNS) browsing. Note that, at the present time, these services cannot be disabled by system-config-securitylevel. Sound and Video This section contains information related to multimedia applications. k3b Past users of the CD/DVD burning application k3b may notice that the program k3bsetup is missing. This is because k3bsetup is not necessary under Fedora Core 3. Web Server This section contains information related to Web-related tools. crypto-utils The certwatch(1) tool has been added to the crypto-utils package. This tool is used to send warning mail to root when any configured SSL certificates have expired or are approaching the expiration date. By default, the tool checks any certificates that are enabled in the mod_ssl configuration. httpd By default, the httpd daemon is now started using the C locale, rather than using the configured system locale setting. This behavior can be changed by setting the HTTPD_LANG variable in the /etc/sysconfig/httpd file. php The gd, mbstring, and ncurses extensions have been moved to the php-gd, php-mbstring, and php-ncurses packages, respectively. Note that you will need to install these packages manually (if required) when upgrading from an earlier release. Windows File Server This section contains information related to Samba, software that makes it possible to share files between Linux and Windows systems. samba Browsing of Windows shares (also known as SMB browsing) fails on Fedora Core 3 systems that have the standard firewall configured. This is most easily noticed in the failure of Nautilus to display shares. The failure is due to the firewall disrupting the broadcast mode of SMB browsing, which is Samba's default setting. There are two workarounds: o Configure a WINS server on the network, and set the "wins server" option in smb.conf to the address of the WINS server. o Disable the firewall Warning Depending on your system and network configurations, disabling the firewall can greatly increase the chance of your system being attacked and compromised. Make sure you fully understand the risks before undertaking this step. For additional information, refer to the following bug report: [8]https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=133478 X Window System This section contains information related to the X Window System implementation provided with Fedora Core. xorg-x11 o Users new to the X.org X11 implementation should take note of a few differences between it and the XFree86.org X11 implementation which shipped in previous Red Hat operating systems. In particular, the names of some files have changed: X Server Binary: o XFree86 X11: XFree86 o X.org X11: Xorg X Server Configuration File: o XFree86 X11: /etc/X11/XF86Config o X.org X11: /etc/X11/xorg.conf X Server Log File o XFree86 X11: /var/log/XFree86.$DISPLAY.log o X.org X11: /var/log/Xorg.$DISPLAY.log When configuring or troubleshooting your X server configuration, be sure that you are using the correct files. o There has been some confusion regarding font-related issues under the X Window System in recent versions of Fedora Core (and versions of Red Hat Linux before it.) At the present time, there are two font subsystems, each with different characteristics: - The original (15+ year old) subsystem is referred to as the "core X font subsystem". Fonts rendered by this subsystem are not anti-aliased, are handled by the X server, and have names like: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1 The newer font subsystem is known as "fontconfig", and allows applications direct access to the font files. Fontconfig is often used along with the "Xft" library, which allows applications to render fontconfig fonts to the screen with antialiasing. Fontconfig uses more human-friendly names like: Luxi Sans-10 Over time, fontconfig/Xft will replace the core X font subsystem. At the present time, applications using the Qt 3 or GTK 2 toolkits (which would include KDE and GNOME applications) use the fontconfig and Xft font subsystem; most everything else uses the core X fonts. In the future, Fedora Core may support only fontconfig/Xft in place of the XFS font server as the default local font access method. NOTE: An exception to the font subsystem usage outlined above is OpenOffice.org (which uses its own font rendering technology). If you wish to add new fonts to your Fedora Core 3 system, you must be aware that the steps necessary depend on which font subsystem is to use the new fonts. For the core X font subsystem, you must: 1. Create the /usr/share/fonts/local/ directory (if it doesn't already exist): mkdir /usr/share/fonts/local/ 2. Copy the new font file into /usr/share/fonts/local/ 3. Update the font information by issuing the following commands (note that, due to formatting restrictions, the following commands may appear on more than one line; in use, each command should be entered on a single line): ttmkfdir -d /usr/share/fonts/local/ -o /usr/share/fonts/local/fonts.scale mkfontdir /usr/share/fonts/local/ 4. If you had to create /usr/share/fonts/local/, you must then add it to the X font server (xfs) path: chkfontpath --add /usr/share/fonts/local/ Adding new fonts to the fontconfig font subsystem is more straightforward; the new font file only needs to be copied into the /usr/share/fonts/ directory (individual users can modify their personal font configuration by copying the font file into the ~/.fonts/ directory). After the new font has been copied, use fc-cache to update the font information cache: fc-cache <directory> (Where <directory> would be either the /usr/share/fonts/ or ~/.fonts/ directories.) Individual users may also install fonts graphically, by browsing fonts:/// in Nautilus, and dragging the new font files there. NOTE: If the font filename ends with ".gz", it has been compressed with gzip, and must be decompressed (with the gunzip command) before the fontconfig font subsystem can use the font. o Due to the transition to the new font system based on fontconfig/Xft, GTK+ 1.2 applications are not affected by any changes made via the Font Preferences dialog. For these applications, a font can be configured by adding the following lines to the file ~/.gtkrc.mine: style "user-font" { fontset = "<font-specification>" } widget_class "*" style "user-font" (Where <font-specification> represents a font specification in the style used by traditional X applications, such as "-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*".) Miscellaneous Notes This section contains information related to packages that do not fit in any of the proceeding categories. compat-db C++ and TCL bindings are no longer contained in the compat-db package. Applications requiring these bindings must be ported to the currently-shipping DB library. nscd The nscd name service cache daemon may now maintain a persistent cache across restarts or system reboots. Each database (user, group, and host, respectively) can be made selected to be persistent by setting the appropriate line in /etc/nscd.conf to "yes". Entries are not removed from the cache until they are proven to be no longer of interest. All entries whose time-to-live expires but are otherwise interesting are automatically reloaded, which helps in situations where the directory and name services become temporarily unavailable. The nscd name service daemon is also able to communicate faster with client programs. This feature must be enabled explicitly by setting the "shared" entry for the appropriate database in /etc/nscd.conf to "yes". udev Fedora Core 3 has switched from a static /dev/ directory to one that is dynamically managed via udev. This allows device nodes to be created on demand as drivers are loaded. For more information on udev, refer to the udev(8) man page and the following link: [9]http://people.redhat.com/~harald/udev.html Additional rules for udev should be placed in a separate file in the /etc/udev/rules.d/ directory. Additional permission rules for udev should be placed in a separate file in the /etc/udev/permissions.d/ directory. Systems upgraded to Fedora Core 3 using Anaconda will automatically be reconfigured to use udev. However (although NOT recommended) it is possible to perform a "live" upgrade to udev using the following steps: 1. Ensure that you are running a 2.6 kernel 2. Ensure that /sys/ is mounted 3. Install the initscripts RPM supplied with Fedora Core 3 4. Install the new udev RPM supplied with Fedora Core 3 5. Execute /sbin/start_udev 6. Install the new mkinitrd RPM supplied with Fedora Core 3 7. Perform one of the following steps: . Install the new kernel RPM supplied with Fedora Core 3 OR: . Re-run mkinitrd for your existing kernel(s) Warning Improperly performing these steps can result in a system configuration that will not boot properly. Packages Added/Removed/Deprecated This section contains lists of packages that fit into the following categories: o Packages that have been added to Fedora Core 3 o Packages that have been removed from Fedora Core 3 o Packages that have been deprecated, and may be removed from a future release of Fedora Core Packages Added The following packages have been added to Fedora Core 3: o HelixPlayer o NetworkManager o NetworkManager-gnome o Pyrex o aiksaurus o aiksaurus-devel o aiksaurus-gtk o aiksaurus-gtk-devel o arptables_jf o aspell-af o aspell-bg o aspell-br o aspell-ca o aspell-cs o aspell-cy o aspell-el o aspell-fo o aspell-ga o aspell-gd o aspell-gl o aspell-hr o aspell-ia o aspell-id o aspell-it o aspell-pl o audit o authd o bluez-utils-cups o bzflag o compat-openldap o crash o createrepo o crypto-utils o cscope o cyrus-sasl-ntlm o cyrus-sasl-sql o dasher o db4-java o dbus-python o dhcpv6 o dhcpv6_client o diskdumputils o dmraid o docbook-simple o docbook-slides o ecj o epiphany-devel o evolution-connector o evolution-data-server o evolution-data-server-devel o evolution-webcal o fedora-release o firefox o fonts-xorg-100dpi o fonts-xorg-75dpi o fonts-xorg-ISO8859-14-100dpi o fonts-xorg-ISO8859-14-75dpi o fonts-xorg-ISO8859-15-100dpi o fonts-xorg-ISO8859-15-75dpi o fonts-xorg-ISO8859-2-100dpi o fonts-xorg-ISO8859-2-75dpi o fonts-xorg-ISO8859-9-100dpi o fonts-xorg-ISO8859-9-75dpi o fonts-xorg-base o fonts-xorg-cyrillic o fonts-xorg-syriac o fonts-xorg-truetype o gamin o gamin-devel o gcc4 o gcc4-c++ o gcc4-gfortran o gda-mysql o gda-odbc o gda-postgres o gettext-devel o gnome-keyring-manager o gnome-nettool o gnome-volume-manager o gnuplot-emacs o gnutls o gnutls-devel o gok-devel o hal o hal-cups-utils o hal-devel o hal-gnome o howl o howl-devel o howl-libs o httpd-suexec o iiimf-gnome-im-switcher o iiimf-le-chinput o iiimf-le-sun-thai o iiimf-libs o iiimf-libs-devel o java-1.4.2-gcj-compat o java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-devel o jpackage-utils o katana o katana-build o kde-i18n-Bulgarian o kdeaddons-xmms o kdenetwork-nowlistening o kdewebdev o kdewebdev-devel o kinput2 o krb5-auth-dialog o libbtctl-devel o libgda o libgda-devel o libgfortran o libgnomedb o libgnomedb-devel o libidn o libidn-devel o libmudflap o libmudflap-devel o libsepol o libsepol-devel o libsilc o libsilc-devel o libsilc-doc o libtheora o libtheora-devel o libwmf o libwmf-devel o linuxwacom o linuxwacom-devel o mikmod-devel o mod_authz_ldap o module-init-tools o nautilus-cd-burner-devel o net-snmp-libs o newt-perl o nptl-devel (i386) o numactl o octave-devel o openldap-servers-sql o openoffice.org-kde o openswan o pam_ccreds o pam_passwdqc o php-gd o php-mbstring o php-ncurses o python-ldap o qt-config o rpm-libs o selinux-policy-strict o selinux-policy-strict-sources o selinux-policy-targeted o selinux-policy-targeted-sources o sg3_utils o synaptics o sysfsutils o sysfsutils-devel o system-switch-im o theora-tools o thunderbird o tn5250 o tn5250-devel o totem o ttfonts-bn o ttfonts-gu o ttfonts-hi o ttfonts-pa o ttfonts-ta o valgrind o valgrind-callgrind o vino o xfce4-iconbox o xfce4-systray o xffm-icons o xfprint o xorg-x11-Xdmx o xorg-x11-deprecated-libs o xorg-x11-deprecated-libs-devel Packages Removed The following packages have been removed from Fedora Core 3: o FreeWnn-common o Gtk-Perl o Wnn6-SDK o Wnn6-SDK-devel o ac-archive o anaconda-images o ant o ant-core o ant-devel o ant-optional o aspell-pt_BR o bcel o bcel-devel o bluez-pan o bluez-sdp o bluez-sdp-devel o chromium o commons-beanutils o commons-beanutils-devel o commons-collections o commons-collections-devel o commons-dbcp o commons-dbcp-devel o commons-digester o commons-digester-devel o commons-fileupload o commons-fileupload-devel o commons-logging o commons-logging-devel o commons-modeler o commons-modeler-devel o commons-pool o commons-pool-devel o comps o cup o cup-devel o dev o devlabel o dvdrecord o fam o fam-devel o fedora-release o gcc34 o gcc34-c++ o gcc34-java o glade o gqview o gtkam o gtkam-gimp o gtkglarea o hwcrypto o iiimf-client-lib o iiimf-client-lib-devel o iiimf-le-inpinyin o iiimf-le-newpy o iiimf-protocol-lib o iiimf-protocol-lib-devel o imlib-cfgeditor o iscsi o jaf o jaf-devel o jakarta-regexp o jakarta-regexp-devel o javamail o javamail-devel o junit o junit-devel o kde-i18n-Korean o kde-i18n-Lithuanian o kernel-source o kinput2-canna-wnn6 o libgcj34 o libgcj34-devel o libgnomeprint o libgnomeprint-devel o libgnomeprintui o libgnomeprintui-devel o libole2 o libole2-devel o librep o librep-devel o libstdc++34 o libstdc++34-devel o licq o licq-gnome o licq-kde o licq-qt o licq-text o linc o linc-devel o lvm o magicdev o mod_jk2 o modutils o mx4j o mx4j-devel o mx4j-tools o mysql-jdbc o mysql-jdbc-tomcat o ncurses-c++-devel o njamd o pidentd o pilot-link095-compat o policy o policy-sources o policy-strict-sources o printman o python-optik o quanta o quanta-devel o raidtools o redhat-java-rpm-scripts o rep-gtk o sawfish o servletapi o servletapi-devel o shapecfg o struts o struts-webapps o system-config-proc o tomcat o tomcat-devel o tomcat-libs o tomcat-test o unarj o xalan-j o xalan-j-devel o xalan-j-xsltc o xerces-j o xerces-j-devel o xffm-icons o xorg-x11-100dpi-fonts o xorg-x11-75dpi-fonts o xorg-x11-ISO8859-14-100dpi-fonts o xorg-x11-ISO8859-14-75dpi-fonts o xorg-x11-ISO8859-15-100dpi-fonts o xorg-x11-ISO8859-15-75dpi-fonts o xorg-x11-ISO8859-2-100dpi-fonts o xorg-x11-ISO8859-2-75dpi-fonts o xorg-x11-ISO8859-9-100dpi-fonts o xorg-x11-ISO8859-9-75dpi-fonts o xorg-x11-base-fonts o xorg-x11-cyrillic-fonts o xorg-x11-libs-data o xorg-x11-syriac-fonts o xorg-x11-truetype-fonts Packages Deprecated The following packages have been deprecated, and may be removed from a future release of Fedora Core: o dbskkd-cdb -- Only used by deprecated package skkinput o FreeWnn -- Only used by deprecated package kinput2-canna-wnn6 o lilo -- GRUB is the recommended bootloader o miniChinput -- IIIMF is the recommended input method o nabi -- IIIMF is the recommended input method o ncpfs -- No longer part of Fedora Core profile o skkinput -- IIIMF is the recommended input method o xcin -- IIIMF is the recommended input method An Overview of the Fedora Project The goal of the Fedora Project is to work with the Linux community to build a complete, general-purpose operating system exclusively from open source software. Development will be done in a public forum. The project will produce time-based releases of Fedora Core about 2-3 times a year, with a public release schedule. The Red Hat engineering team will continue to participate in building Fedora Core and will invite and encourage more outside participation than was possible in the past. By using this more open process, we hope to provide an operating system more in line with the ideals of free software and more appealing to the open source community. For more information, refer to the Fedora Project website: [10]http://fedora.redhat.com/ In addition to the website, the following mailing lists are available: o fedora-list(a)redhat.com -- For users of Fedora Core releases o fedora-test-list(a)redhat.com -- For testers of Fedora Core test releases o fedora-devel-list(a)redhat.com -- For developers, developers, developers o fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com -- For participants of the docs project To subscribe to any of these lists, send an email with the word "subscribe" in the subject to <listname>-request (where <listname> is one of the above list names.) NOTE: If you have subscribed in the past to rhl-list, rhl-beta-list, rhl-devel-list, or rhl-docs-list, your subscriptions have been retained. The Fedora Project also includes an IRC (Internet Relay Chat) channel. IRC is a real-time, text-based form of communication. With it, you can have conversations with multiple people in an open channel or chat with someone privately one-on-one. To talk with other Fedora Project participants via IRC, access freenode IRC network. Initially, you can use irc.freenode.net as the IRC server, although you may decide to select a server that is geographically closer to you. Refer to the freenode website ([11]http://www.freenode.net/) for more information. Fedora Project participants frequent the #fedora channel, while Fedora Project developers can often be found on the #fedora-devel channel. Some of the larger projects may have their own channels as well; this information can be found on the project pages. NOTE: Red Hat has no control over the Fedora IRC channels or their content. ( x86 ) References Visible links 1. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl.html 2. http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/selinux-faq/ 3. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2004-June/msg00007.html 4. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-June/msg00370.html 5. http://platan.vc.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/ 6. http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=119474 7. http://i2o.shadowconnect.com/ 8. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=133478 9. http://people.redhat.com/~harald/udev.html 10. http://fedora.redhat.com/ 11. http://www.freenode.net/ Fedora Core 3 Release Notes Copyright (c) 2004 Red Hat, Inc. Permission is granted to copy, distribute, and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts. A copy of the license is available at [1]http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl.html. 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The GPG fingerprint of the "Fedora Project <fedora(a)redhat.com>" key is: CA B4 4B 99 6F 27 74 4E 86 12 7C DF B4 42 69 D0 4F 2A 6F D2 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Introduction The Fedora Project is an openly-developed project designed by Red Hat, open for general participation, led by a meritocracy, and following a set of project objectives. The results from this project include Fedora Core, a complete, general-purpose operating system built exclusively from open source software. Note Fedora Core is not a supported product of Red Hat, Inc. For more information, refer to the Fedora Project overview later in this document. The following topics related to Fedora Core 3 are covered in this document: o Introduction (this section) o Hardware requirements o Overview of this release o Installation-related notes o Package-specific notes o Packages added/removed/deprecated o An overview of the Fedora Project Hardware Requirements The following information represents the minimum hardware requirements necessary to successfully install Fedora Core 3. Note The compatibility/availability of other hardware components (such as video and network cards) may be required for specific installation modes and/or post-installation usage. CPU Requirements This section lists the CPU specifications required by Fedora Core 3. o AMD64 processors (both Athlon64 and Opteron) o Intel processors with Intel(R) Extended Memory 64 Technology (Intel(R) EM64T) Hard Disk Space Requirements This section lists the disk space required to install Fedora Core 3. Note The disk space requirements listed below represent the disk space taken up by Fedora Core 3 after the installation is complete. However, additional disk space is required during the installation to support the installation environment. This additional disk space corresponds to the size of /Fedora/base/stage2.img (on CD-ROM 1) plus the size of the files in /var/lib/rpm on the installed system. In practical terms, this means that as little as an additional 90MB can be required for a minimal installation, while as much as an additional 175MB can be required for an "everything" installation. Also, keep in mind that additional space will be required for any user data, and at least 5% free space should be maintained for proper system operation. o Custom Installation (Minimal): 900MB o Server: 1.5GB o Personal Desktop: 2.7GB o Workstation: 3.4GB o Custom Installation: (Everything) 7.5GB Memory Requirements This section lists the memory required to install Fedora Core 3. o Minimum for text-mode: 128MB o Minimum for graphical: 256MB o Recommended for graphical: 512MB Overview of This Release The following list includes brief summaries of some of the more significant aspects of Fedora Core 3: o Fedora Core 3 contains the following changes: o GCC 3.4 o GNOME 2.8 o KDE 3.3 o SELinux -- This includes a new "targeted" policy that monitors specific daemons with less intrusion than the strict policy in use before. This policy is enabled by default. For more information, refer to: [2]http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/selinux-faq/ o Indic language support o Firefox and Mozilla can be enabled with pango rendering support, which enables many text layout features, including the rendering of CTL (Complex Text Layout) such as Indic languages. To enable this, set the following environment variable when running Firefox or Mozilla: MOZ_ENABLE_PANGO=1 o Kernel and e2fsprogs support for online growing of ext3 file systems o Various desktop-related features, including, but not limited to: o Remote desktops using VNC ([3]http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2004-June/msg00007.html) o Printing improvements ([4]http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-June/msg00370.html) o Evolution 2.0 Note VMware WS 4.5.2 is known to work on Fedora Core 3 after the following workarounds are used: o You must upgrade the kernel modules and configuration using the unofficial vmware-any-any-* toolkit available from: [5]http://platan.vc.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/ o After vmware-config.pl is run and the VMware modules are loaded, the following command creates the /sys/class/* nodes needed for udev: cp -rp /dev/vm* /etc/udev/devices/ Installation-Related Notes This section outlines those issues that are related to Anaconda (the Fedora Core installation program) and installing Fedora Core 3 in general. Note If you intend to download the Fedora Core 3 DVD ISO image, keep in mind that not all file downloading tools can accommodate files larger than 2GB in size. For example, wget will exit with a File size limit exceeded error. The curl and ncftpget file downloading tools do not have this limitation, and can successfully download files larger than 2GB. Anaconda Notes o The Fedora Core installation program has the ability to test the integrity of the installation media. It works with the CD, DVD, hard drive ISO, and NFS ISO installation methods. Red Hat recommends that you test all installation media before starting the installation process, and before reporting any installation-related bugs (many of the bugs reported are actually due to improperly-burned CDs). To use this test, type linux mediacheck at the boot: prompt. o Fedora Core 3 supports graphical FTP and HTTP installations. However, due to the necessity of containing the installer image in RAM, only systems with more than 128MB of RAM (or systems booted from CD-ROM 1, which contains the installer image) can use the graphical installer. Systems with 128MB or less will continue to use the text-based installer. Installation-Related Issues o Certain hardware configurations (particularly those with LCD displays) may experience problems while starting the Fedora Core installation program. In these instances, restart the installation, and add the "nofb" option to the boot command line. NOTE: Chinese, Japanese, and Korean graphical installations started using the "nofb" option will start in English, and then switch to the appropriate language once the graphical phase of the installation process begins. o Serial mice are known to be inoperative during installation. However, there are indications that serial mice work properly in X after the installation has completed. Refer to bug 119474 for more information: [6]http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=119474 Package-Specific Notes The following sections contain information regarding packages that have undergone significant changes for Fedora Core 3. For easier access, they are organized using the same groups used in Anaconda. Base This section contains information related to basic system components. openssh Fedora Core 3 contains OpenSSH 3.9, which includes strict permission and ownership checks for the ~/.ssh/config file. These checks mean that ssh will exit if this file does not have appropriate ownership and permissions. Therefore, make sure that ~/.ssh/config is owned by the owner of ~/, and that its permissions are set to mode 600. In addition, OpenSSH is no longer configured to request X11 forwarding by default when connecting to servers. To enable X11 forwarding, the -X or -Y option must be specified, or the ForwardX11 option must be enabled in the ~/.ssh/config file. The behavior of ssh clients that are invoked with the -X flag has changed. In OpenSSH 3.8 and later, X11 forwarding is performed in a way that applications run as untrusted clients by default. Previously, X11 forwarding was performed so that applications always ran as trusted clients. Some applications may not function properly when run as untrusted clients. To forward X11 so that applications are run as trusted clients, invoke ssh with the -Y flag instead of the -X flag, or set ForwardX11Trusted in the ~/.ssh/config file. Core This section contains the most elemental components of Fedora Core, including the kernel. e2fsprogs The ext2online utility has been added for online growing of existing ext3 file systems. Note It is important to keep in mind that ext2online does not grow the underlying block device itself -- there must be sufficient unused space already present on the device. The easiest way to ensure this is to use LVM volumes and to run lvresize or lvextend to extend the device. In addition, file systems must be specially prepared in order to be resized past a certain point. The preparation involves reserving a small amount of space into which on-disk tables can grow. For newly-created file systems, mke2fs reserves such space automatically; the space reserved is sufficient to grow the file system by a factor of 1000. The creation of this reserved space can be disabled by the following command: mke2fs -O ^resize_inode Future releases of Fedora Core will allow the creation of this reserved space on existing file systems. glibc o The version of glibc provided with Fedora Core 3 performs additional internal sanity checks to prevent and detect data corruption as early as possible. By default, should corruption be detected, a message similar to the following will be displayed on standard error (or logged via syslog if stderr is not open): *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption: 0x0937d008 *** By default, the program that generated this error will also be killed; however, this (and whether or not an error message is generated) can be controlled via the MALLOC_CHECK_ environment variable. The following settings are supported: o 0 -- Do not generate an error message, and do not kill the program o 1 -- Generate an error message, but do not kill the program o 2 -- Do not generate an error message, but kill the program o 3 -- Generate an error message and kill the program Note If MALLOC_CHECK_ is explicitly set a value other than 0, this causes glibc to perform more tests that are more extensive than the default, and may impact performance. Should you have a program from a third party ISV that triggers these corruption checks and displays a message, you should file a defect report with the application's vendor, since this indicates a serious bug. hotplug The location where hotplug expects firmware to be loaded into (for example, firmware for Cardbus cards) has changed from /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware to /lib/firmware. Existing firmware files must be moved into the new directory. kernel o In the past, the process of updating the kernel did not change the default kernel in the system's boot loader configuration. Fedora Core 3 changes this behavior to set newly-installed kernels as the default. This behavior applies to all installation methods (including rpm -i). This behavior is controlled by two lines in the /etc/sysconfig/kernel file: o UPGRADEDEFAULT -- Controls whether new kernels will be booted by default (default value: yes) o DEFAULTKERNEL -- kernel RPMs whose names match this value will be booted by default (default value: depends on hardware configuration) o In order to eliminate the redundancy inherent in providing a separate package for the kernel source code when that source code already exists in the kernel's .src.rpm file, Fedora Core 3 no longer includes the kernel-source package. Users that require access to the kernel sources can find them in the kernel .src.rpm file. To create an exploded source tree from this file, perform the following steps (note that <version> refers to the version specification for your currently-running kernel): 1. Obtain the kernel-<version>.src.rpm file from one of the following sources: o The SRPMS directory on the appropriate "SRPMS" CD iso image o The FTP site where you got the kernel package o By running the following command: up2date --get-source kernel 2. Install kernel-<version>.src.rpm (given the default RPM configuration, the files this package contains will be written to /usr/src/redhat/) 3. Change directory to /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/, and issue the following command: rpmbuild -bp --target=<arch> kernel.spec (Where <arch> is the desired target architecture.) On a default RPM configuration, the kernel tree will be located in /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/. 4. In resulting tree, the configurations for the specific kernels shipped in Fedora Core 3 are in the /configs/ directory. For example, the i686 SMP configuration file is named /configs/kernel-<version>-i686-smp.config. Issue the following command to place the desired configuration file in the proper place for building: cp <desired-file> ./.config 5. Issue the following command: make oldconfig You can then proceed as usual. Note An exploded source tree is not required to build kernel modules against the currently in-use kernel. For example, to build the foo.ko module, create the following file (named Makefile) in the directory containing the foo.c file: obj-m := foo.o KDIR := /lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build PWD := $(shell pwd) default: $(MAKE) -C $(KDIR) SUBDIRS=$(PWD) modules Issue the make command to build the foo.ko module. o I[2]O SCSI RAID adapters from manufacturers such as Adaptec now use the i2o_block driver, rather than the dpt_i2o driver used by Fedora Core 1 and earlier distributions. Be aware that block devices used by the i2o_block driver are /dev/i2o/hd* rather than the /dev/sd* SCSI devices. This may be problematic for those upgrading from older distributions that used the dpt_i2o driver. Therefore, after an upgrade to Fedora Core 3, you may need to boot using a rescue disk and edit your /etc/fstab file to use the new devices. For more information about the new I[2]O device layer and Fedora Core-specific notes, visit the I[2]O homepage: [7]http://i2o.shadowconnect.com/ Language Support This section includes information related to the support of various languages under Fedora Core. iiimf o The default Input Method (IM) for Chinese (Simplified and Traditional), Japanese, and Korean has been changed to IIIMF -- the Internet/Intranet Input Method Framework. IIIMF is supported as a native GTK2 IM module, and also through XIM using the httx client. IIIMF supports the use of multiple Language Engines (LEs) at the same time; using the GNOME Input Method Language Engine Tool (GIMLET -- an applet) it is possible to switch between LEs of different languages inside GTK2 applications. IIIMF currently defaults to using Ctrl-Space or Shift-Space for toggling the input method on and off (Emacs users can use Ctrl-@ instead of Ctrl-Space to set the mark.) Depending on your selection at the language support screen during installation, one or more IIIMF language engines may be installed. The IIIMF server package (iiimf-server) will also be installed if a language engine has been selected. The language to language engine (LE) package mappings are as follows: o ja_JP -- iiimf-le-canna o zh_CN -- iiimf-le-chinput o zh_TW -- iiimf-le-xcin o ko_KR -- iiimf-le-hangul o {bn,gu,pa,ta,hi}_IN -- iiimf-le-unit Accordingly, input via IIIMF will be enabled if you have chosen one of the following as your default locale: o ja_JP o zh_CN o zh_TW o ko_KR o {bn,gu,pa,ta,hi}_IN To aid your use of IIIMF, if you have selected one of the above locales and you are using the GNOME Desktop, when you first login the GIMLET utility (part of the iiimf-gnome-im-switcher package) will automatically be added to your panel. GIMLET is a utility for switching between the different LEs that are installed on your system. Using a different language engine allows you to enter text in different languages. Alternatively you may add GIMLET manually to your panel by right clicking on the panel and selecting: Add to Panel -> GIMLET Should you wish to switch between IIIMF or the legacy input method framework XIM, you can use the system-switch-im application. After changing the input method framework your changes will be reflected when you next start the X Window System. Mail Server This section contains information related to the mail transport agents included with Fedora Core. mailman Earlier mailman RPMs installed all files under the /var/mailman/ directory. Unfortunately, this did not conform to the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS) and also created security violations when SELinux was enabled. If you previously had mailman installed and had edited files in /var/mailman/ (such as mm_cfg.py) you must move those changes to their new location, as documented in the following file: /usr/share/doc/mailman-*/INSTALL.REDHAT sendmail o By default, the Sendmail mail transport agent (MTA) does not accept network connections from any host other than the local computer. If you want to configure Sendmail as a server for other clients, you must edit /etc/mail/sendmail.mc and change the DAEMON_OPTIONS line to also listen on network devices (or comment out this option entirely using the dnl comment delimiter). You must then regenerate /etc/mail/sendmail.cf by running the following command (as root): make -C /etc/mail Note that you must have the sendmail-cf package installed for this to work. Server Configuration Tools This section contains information related to various server configuration tools. system-config-securitylevel The firewall constructed by the system-config-securitylevel configuration tool now allows CUPS and Multicast DNS (mDNS) browsing. Note that, at the present time, these services cannot be disabled by system-config-securitylevel. Sound and Video This section contains information related to multimedia applications. k3b Past users of the CD/DVD burning application k3b may notice that the program k3bsetup is missing. This is because k3bsetup is not necessary under Fedora Core 3. Web Server This section contains information related to Web-related tools. crypto-utils The certwatch(1) tool has been added to the crypto-utils package. This tool is used to send warning mail to root when any configured SSL certificates have expired or are approaching the expiration date. By default, the tool checks any certificates that are enabled in the mod_ssl configuration. httpd By default, the httpd daemon is now started using the C locale, rather than using the configured system locale setting. This behavior can be changed by setting the HTTPD_LANG variable in the /etc/sysconfig/httpd file. php The gd, mbstring, and ncurses extensions have been moved to the php-gd, php-mbstring, and php-ncurses packages, respectively. Note that you will need to install these packages manually (if required) when upgrading from an earlier release. Windows File Server This section contains information related to Samba, software that makes it possible to share files between Linux and Windows systems. samba Browsing of Windows shares (also known as SMB browsing) fails on Fedora Core 3 systems that have the standard firewall configured. This is most easily noticed in the failure of Nautilus to display shares. The failure is due to the firewall disrupting the broadcast mode of SMB browsing, which is Samba's default setting. There are two workarounds: o Configure a WINS server on the network, and set the "wins server" option in smb.conf to the address of the WINS server. o Disable the firewall Warning Depending on your system and network configurations, disabling the firewall can greatly increase the chance of your system being attacked and compromised. Make sure you fully understand the risks before undertaking this step. For additional information, refer to the following bug report: [8]https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=133478 X Window System This section contains information related to the X Window System implementation provided with Fedora Core. xorg-x11 o Users new to the X.org X11 implementation should take note of a few differences between it and the XFree86.org X11 implementation which shipped in previous Red Hat operating systems. In particular, the names of some files have changed: X Server Binary: o XFree86 X11: XFree86 o X.org X11: Xorg X Server Configuration File: o XFree86 X11: /etc/X11/XF86Config o X.org X11: /etc/X11/xorg.conf X Server Log File o XFree86 X11: /var/log/XFree86.$DISPLAY.log o X.org X11: /var/log/Xorg.$DISPLAY.log When configuring or troubleshooting your X server configuration, be sure that you are using the correct files. o There has been some confusion regarding font-related issues under the X Window System in recent versions of Fedora Core (and versions of Red Hat Linux before it.) At the present time, there are two font subsystems, each with different characteristics: - The original (15+ year old) subsystem is referred to as the "core X font subsystem". Fonts rendered by this subsystem are not anti-aliased, are handled by the X server, and have names like: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1 The newer font subsystem is known as "fontconfig", and allows applications direct access to the font files. Fontconfig is often used along with the "Xft" library, which allows applications to render fontconfig fonts to the screen with antialiasing. Fontconfig uses more human-friendly names like: Luxi Sans-10 Over time, fontconfig/Xft will replace the core X font subsystem. At the present time, applications using the Qt 3 or GTK 2 toolkits (which would include KDE and GNOME applications) use the fontconfig and Xft font subsystem; most everything else uses the core X fonts. In the future, Fedora Core may support only fontconfig/Xft in place of the XFS font server as the default local font access method. NOTE: An exception to the font subsystem usage outlined above is OpenOffice.org (which uses its own font rendering technology). If you wish to add new fonts to your Fedora Core 3 system, you must be aware that the steps necessary depend on which font subsystem is to use the new fonts. For the core X font subsystem, you must: 1. Create the /usr/share/fonts/local/ directory (if it doesn't already exist): mkdir /usr/share/fonts/local/ 2. Copy the new font file into /usr/share/fonts/local/ 3. Update the font information by issuing the following commands (note that, due to formatting restrictions, the following commands may appear on more than one line; in use, each command should be entered on a single line): ttmkfdir -d /usr/share/fonts/local/ -o /usr/share/fonts/local/fonts.scale mkfontdir /usr/share/fonts/local/ 4. If you had to create /usr/share/fonts/local/, you must then add it to the X font server (xfs) path: chkfontpath --add /usr/share/fonts/local/ Adding new fonts to the fontconfig font subsystem is more straightforward; the new font file only needs to be copied into the /usr/share/fonts/ directory (individual users can modify their personal font configuration by copying the font file into the ~/.fonts/ directory). After the new font has been copied, use fc-cache to update the font information cache: fc-cache <directory> (Where <directory> would be either the /usr/share/fonts/ or ~/.fonts/ directories.) Individual users may also install fonts graphically, by browsing fonts:/// in Nautilus, and dragging the new font files there. NOTE: If the font filename ends with ".gz", it has been compressed with gzip, and must be decompressed (with the gunzip command) before the fontconfig font subsystem can use the font. o Due to the transition to the new font system based on fontconfig/Xft, GTK+ 1.2 applications are not affected by any changes made via the Font Preferences dialog. For these applications, a font can be configured by adding the following lines to the file ~/.gtkrc.mine: style "user-font" { fontset = "<font-specification>" } widget_class "*" style "user-font" (Where <font-specification> represents a font specification in the style used by traditional X applications, such as "-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*".) Miscellaneous Notes This section contains information related to packages that do not fit in any of the proceeding categories. compat-db C++ and TCL bindings are no longer contained in the compat-db package. Applications requiring these bindings must be ported to the currently-shipping DB library. nscd The nscd name service cache daemon may now maintain a persistent cache across restarts or system reboots. Each database (user, group, and host, respectively) can be made selected to be persistent by setting the appropriate line in /etc/nscd.conf to "yes". Entries are not removed from the cache until they are proven to be no longer of interest. All entries whose time-to-live expires but are otherwise interesting are automatically reloaded, which helps in situations where the directory and name services become temporarily unavailable. The nscd name service daemon is also able to communicate faster with client programs. This feature must be enabled explicitly by setting the "shared" entry for the appropriate database in /etc/nscd.conf to "yes". udev Fedora Core 3 has switched from a static /dev/ directory to one that is dynamically managed via udev. This allows device nodes to be created on demand as drivers are loaded. For more information on udev, refer to the udev(8) man page and the following link: [9]http://people.redhat.com/~harald/udev.html Additional rules for udev should be placed in a separate file in the /etc/udev/rules.d/ directory. Additional permission rules for udev should be placed in a separate file in the /etc/udev/permissions.d/ directory. Systems upgraded to Fedora Core 3 using Anaconda will automatically be reconfigured to use udev. However (although NOT recommended) it is possible to perform a "live" upgrade to udev using the following steps: 1. Ensure that you are running a 2.6 kernel 2. Ensure that /sys/ is mounted 3. Install the initscripts RPM supplied with Fedora Core 3 4. Install the new udev RPM supplied with Fedora Core 3 5. Execute /sbin/start_udev 6. Install the new mkinitrd RPM supplied with Fedora Core 3 7. Perform one of the following steps: . Install the new kernel RPM supplied with Fedora Core 3 OR: . Re-run mkinitrd for your existing kernel(s) Warning Improperly performing these steps can result in a system configuration that will not boot properly. Packages Added/Removed/Deprecated This section contains lists of packages that fit into the following categories: o Packages that have been added to Fedora Core 3 o Packages that have been removed from Fedora Core 3 o Packages that have been deprecated, and may be removed from a future release of Fedora Core Packages Added The following packages have been added to Fedora Core 3: o Canna-libs (i386) o FreeWnn-libs (i386) o HelixPlayer o ImageMagick (i386) o ImageMagick-c++ (i386) o NetworkManager o NetworkManager-gnome o Omni (i386) o Pyrex o SDL (i386) o SDL_image (i386) o SDL_mixer (i386) o SDL_net (i386) o VFlib2 (i386) o Xaw3d (i386) o aiksaurus (i386) o aiksaurus (x86_64) o aiksaurus-devel o aiksaurus-gtk (i386) o aiksaurus-gtk (x86_64) o aiksaurus-gtk-devel o alchemist (i386) o alsa-lib (i386) o apr (i386) o arptables_jf o arts (i386) o aspell (i386) o aspell-af o aspell-bg o aspell-br o aspell-ca o aspell-cs o aspell-cy o aspell-el o aspell-fo o aspell-ga o aspell-gd o aspell-gl o aspell-hr o aspell-ia o aspell-id o aspell-it o aspell-pl o at-spi (i386) o audiofile (i386) o audit o authd o beecrypt (i386) o bind-libs (i386) o blas (i386) o bluez-libs (i386) o bluez-utils-cups o bogl (i386) o boost (i386) o bzflag o cdparanoia-libs (i386) o compat-db (i386) o compat-gcc (x86_64) o compat-gcc-c++ (x86_64) o compat-gcc-g77 o compat-gcc-java o compat-gcc-objc o compat-libgcj o compat-libgcj-devel o compat-libstdc++ (x86_64) o compat-libstdc++-devel (x86_64) o compat-openldap (i386) o compat-openldap (x86_64) o compat-slang o crash o createrepo o crypto-utils o cscope o curl (i386) o cyrus-sasl-gssapi (i386) o cyrus-sasl-md5 (i386) o cyrus-sasl-ntlm (i386) o cyrus-sasl-ntlm (x86_64) o cyrus-sasl-plain (i386) o cyrus-sasl-sql (i386) o cyrus-sasl-sql (x86_64) o dasher o db4-java o dbh (i386) o dbus (i386) o dbus-glib (i386) o dbus-python o device-mapper (i386) o dhcpv6 o dhcpv6_client o diskdumputils o distcache (i386) o dmraid o docbook-simple o docbook-slides o ecj o eel2 (i386) o elfutils (i386) o elfutils-libelf (i386) o emacspeak o epiphany-devel o eruby-libs (i386) o esound (i386) o evolution-connector o evolution-data-server (i386) o evolution-data-server (x86_64) o evolution-data-server-devel o evolution-webcal o fedora-release o festival o firefox o flac (i386) o fonts-xorg-100dpi o fonts-xorg-75dpi o fonts-xorg-ISO8859-14-100dpi o fonts-xorg-ISO8859-14-75dpi o fonts-xorg-ISO8859-15-100dpi o fonts-xorg-ISO8859-15-75dpi o fonts-xorg-ISO8859-2-100dpi o fonts-xorg-ISO8859-2-75dpi o fonts-xorg-ISO8859-9-100dpi o fonts-xorg-ISO8859-9-75dpi o fonts-xorg-base o fonts-xorg-cyrillic o fonts-xorg-syriac o fonts-xorg-truetype o freeglut (i386) o fribidi (i386) o g-wrap (i386) o gail (i386) o gamin (i386) o gamin (x86_64) o gamin-devel o gcc4 o gcc4-c++ o gcc4-gfortran o gd (i386) o gda-mysql o gda-odbc o gda-postgres o gdk-pixbuf (i386) o gettext-devel o ghostscript (i386) o gimp-print (i386) o glib (i386) o gmp (i386) o gnome-desktop (i386) o gnome-keyring (i386) o gnome-keyring-manager o gnome-mag (i386) o gnome-nettool o gnome-panel (i386) o gnome-speech (i386) o gnome-spell (i386) o gnome-volume-manager o gnuplot-emacs o gnutls (i386) o gnutls (x86_64) o gnutls-devel o gok-devel o gphoto2 (i386) o gpm (i386) o gsl (i386) o gstreamer (i386) o gtk+ (i386) o gtk-engines (i386) o gtk2-engines (i386) o gtkhtml2 (i386) o gtkhtml3 (i386) o gtksourceview (i386) o gtkspell (i386) o guile (i386) o hal (i386) o hal (x86_64) o hal-cups-utils o hal-devel o hal-gnome o hesiod (i386) o howl o howl-devel o howl-libs (i386) o howl-libs (x86_64) o httpd-suexec o iiimf-gnome-im-switcher o iiimf-le-chinput o iiimf-le-sun-thai o iiimf-libs o iiimf-libs-devel o imlib (i386) o java-1.4.2-gcj-compat o java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-devel o jpackage-utils o katana o katana-build o kde-i18n-Bulgarian o kdeaddons-xmms o kdebase (i386) o kdelibs (i386) o kdemultimedia (i386) o kdenetwork-nowlistening o kdewebdev o kdewebdev-devel o kinput2 o krb5-auth-dialog o lapack (i386) o lesstif (i386) o libaio (i386) o libao (i386) o libavc1394 (i386) o libbonoboui (i386) o libbtctl (i386) o libbtctl-devel o libc-client (i386) o libcap (i386) o libcroco (i386) o libdbi (i386) o libdv (i386) o libesmtp (i386) o libexif (i386) o libf2c (i386) o libgail-gnome (i386) o libgal2 (i386) o libgcrypt (i386) o libgda (i386) o libgda (x86_64) o libgda-devel o libgfortran (i386) o libgfortran (x86_64) o libghttp (i386) o libglade2 (i386) o libgnat o libgnome (i386) o libgnomecanvas (i386) o libgnomedb (i386) o libgnomedb (x86_64) o libgnomedb-devel o libgnomeprint22 (i386) o libgnomeprintui22 (i386) o libgnomeui (i386) o libgpg-error (i386) o libgsf (i386) o libgtop2 (i386) o libidn (i386) o libidn (x86_64) o libidn-devel o libieee1284 (i386) o libmng (i386) o libmudflap (i386) o libmudflap (x86_64) o libmudflap-devel o libmusicbrainz (i386) o libofx (i386) o libogg (i386) o libpcap (i386) o libpng10 (i386) o libraw1394 (i386) o librsvg2 (i386) o libsepol (i386) o libsepol (x86_64) o libsepol-devel o libsilc o libsilc-devel o libsilc-doc o libsoup (i386) o libtabe (i386) o libtermcap (i386) o libtheora (i386) o libtheora (x86_64) o libtheora-devel o libtool-libs (i386) o libtool-libs13 (i386) o libungif (i386) o libusb (i386) o libuser (i386) o libvorbis (i386) o libwmf (i386) o libwmf (x86_64) o libwmf-devel o libwnck (i386) o libwpd (i386) o libwvstreams (i386) o libxfce4mcs (i386) o libxfce4util (i386) o libxfcegui4 (i386) o libxklavier (i386) o libxslt (i386) o linuxwacom o linuxwacom-devel o lm_sensors (i386) o lockdev (i386) o memtest86+ o mikmod (i386) o mikmod-devel o mod_authz_ldap o module-init-tools o mozilla-nspr (i386) o mozilla-nss (i386) o mysql (i386) o nautilus-cd-burner-devel o neon (i386) o net-snmp-libs (i386) o net-snmp-libs (x86_64) o netpbm (i386) o newt (i386) o newt-perl o nss_db (i386) o numactl o octave (i386) o octave-devel o openh323 (i386) o openhbci (i386) o openjade (i386) o 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kinput2-canna-wnn6 o miniChinput -- IIIMF is the recommended input method o nabi -- IIIMF is the recommended input method o ncpfs -- No longer part of Fedora Core profile o skkinput -- IIIMF is the recommended input method o xcin -- IIIMF is the recommended input method An Overview of the Fedora Project The goal of the Fedora Project is to work with the Linux community to build a complete, general-purpose operating system exclusively from open source software. Development will be done in a public forum. The project will produce time-based releases of Fedora Core about 2-3 times a year, with a public release schedule. The Red Hat engineering team will continue to participate in building Fedora Core and will invite and encourage more outside participation than was possible in the past. By using this more open process, we hope to provide an operating system more in line with the ideals of free software and more appealing to the open source community. For more information, refer to the Fedora Project website: [10]http://fedora.redhat.com/ In addition to the website, the following mailing lists are available: o fedora-list(a)redhat.com -- For users of Fedora Core releases o fedora-test-list(a)redhat.com -- For testers of Fedora Core test releases o fedora-devel-list(a)redhat.com -- For developers, developers, developers o fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com -- For participants of the docs project To subscribe to any of these lists, send an email with the word "subscribe" in the subject to <listname>-request (where <listname> is one of the above list names.) NOTE: If you have subscribed in the past to rhl-list, rhl-beta-list, rhl-devel-list, or rhl-docs-list, your subscriptions have been retained. The Fedora Project also includes an IRC (Internet Relay Chat) channel. IRC is a real-time, text-based form of communication. With it, you can have conversations with multiple people in an open channel or chat with someone privately one-on-one. To talk with other Fedora Project participants via IRC, access freenode IRC network. Initially, you can use irc.freenode.net as the IRC server, although you may decide to select a server that is geographically closer to you. Refer to the freenode website ([11]http://www.freenode.net/) for more information. Fedora Project participants frequent the #fedora channel, while Fedora Project developers can often be found on the #fedora-devel channel. Some of the larger projects may have their own channels as well; this information can be found on the project pages. NOTE: Red Hat has no control over the Fedora IRC channels or their content. ( x86_64 ) References Visible links 1. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl.html 2. http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/selinux-faq/ 3. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2004-June/msg00007.html 4. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-June/msg00370.html 5. http://platan.vc.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/ 6. http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=119474 7. http://i2o.shadowconnect.com/ 8. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=133478 9. http://people.redhat.com/~harald/udev.html 10. http://fedora.redhat.com/ 11. http://www.freenode.net/ -- ----- End forwarded message -----

Nov. 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Mandrake 10.1 Official ISOs

by Brian J. Conway

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:30:23 -0800 (PST) J Schonberg <schonm(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I would really like to know what version of ld they are using with > Mandrake 10.1. Something as simple as ld --version > > Is there anyway for me to find out without downloading many megs of > data? In general, a list of RPM versions would be lovely. ftp://sunsite.uio.no/pub/linux/Mandrakelinux/official/10.1/i586/media/main/binutils-2.15.90.0.3-1mdk.i586.rpm http://sources.redhat.com/binutils/ Brian J. Conway bconway(at)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Nov. 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Mandrake 10.1 Official ISOs

by J Schonberg

I would really like to know what version of ld they are using with Mandrake 10.1. Something as simple as ld --version Is there anyway for me to find out without downloading many megs of data? In general, a list of RPM versions would be lovely. Jason. --- "Brian J. Conway" <bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > Mandrake 10.1 Official is now available for download and/or FTP > install, > but the ISOs (GPL) won't be available on the mirrors for 3 weeks. > I > scoured for them and found them here, in case anyone's interested: > > http://games.gci.net/pub/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrakelinux-10.1-Official/ > > > It took a couple connection attempts (I assume they're limiting > connections), but now I have two ISOs maxing out my cable modem at > 395 > KB/s. Finding the official md5sums and checking the images are an > exercise left to the reader. > > Brian J. Conway > bconway(at)alum.wpi.edu > > "LINUX is obsolete" > - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Nov. 1, 2004

Mandrake 10.1 Official ISOs

by Brian J. Conway

Mandrake 10.1 Official is now available for download and/or FTP install, but the ISOs (GPL) won't be available on the mirrors for 3 weeks. I scoured for them and found them here, in case anyone's interested: http://games.gci.net/pub/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrakelinux-10.1-Official/ It took a couple connection attempts (I assume they're limiting connections), but now I have two ISOs maxing out my cable modem at 395 KB/s. Finding the official md5sums and checking the images are an exercise left to the reader. Brian J. Conway bconway(at)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Nov. 1, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Samba PDC Question

by Martin, Eric

If the install base is NT based, you could use hfnetchk (which SUS is based on) to check, and kixtart to do the grunt work of patching. Eric -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:14 PM To: 'Chuck Haines'; 'Worcester Linux Users Group' Subject: RE: [Wlug] Samba PDC Question Chuck, I'm not sure what versions of windows your have in your install base, however the easiest thing is to just configure them to download and install the patches themselves. As for the other programs, are these things that have to be "installed" or can they be raw copied out to the machines? If it's the latter, then you could just configure the login script stuff to run a local script that would check to see if it's already been run, if so do nothing, otherwise copy a bunch of files and import some registry keys, etc. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Haines [mailto:chaines@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:22 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] Samba PDC Question Hello all, I'm running Samba 3 as my PDC for a large number of computers. What I'd like to be able to do is push out patches and programs to the computers that are logged into this domain. I know that with SMS and Windoze Active Directory I can do this, however I don't want to use Windows as my PDC. Does anyone know of any software I can use to accomplish this with samba? thanks, Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity http://www.tkezm.org WPI Class of 2005 http://www.wpi.edu ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux Photo Printer recommendations

by John Stoffel

I just wanted to follow up about some issues I had with my new Epson R300 photo printer. Basically, each time I updated my debian systems (apt-get update) the printer would stop working. Something kept chaning the permissions of the /usr/lib/cups/backend/usb driver. After enough time fighting it, I finally found out that I needed to do a: dpkg-reconfigure cupsys to tell it to enable USB printer drivers. End of problem. It was a pain to figure out since I originally only had a network printer, so didn't even think of enabling USB printing. Silly me. Every day (or so) I find out new things about debian. Some good, some bad. My newest thing is NLE (Non-Linear Editing) of video. Kino is so-so, cinelerra crashes instantly all the time. Might try main-actor, but not sure I want to spend the money when I can just use my wife's machine and Windows software to edit. Sure, I should probably thing about a Mac OS X.x something box with their movie editing software.

Oct. 28, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Samba PDC Question

by Keller, Tim

Chuck, I'm not sure what versions of windows your have in your install base, however the easiest thing is to just configure them to download and install the patches themselves. As for the other programs, are these things that have to be "installed" or can they be raw copied out to the machines? If it's the latter, then you could just configure the login script stuff to run a local script that would check to see if it's already been run, if so do nothing, otherwise copy a bunch of files and import some registry keys, etc. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Haines [mailto:chaines@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:22 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] Samba PDC Question Hello all, I'm running Samba 3 as my PDC for a large number of computers. What I'd like to be able to do is push out patches and programs to the computers that are logged into this domain. I know that with SMS and Windoze Active Directory I can do this, however I don't want to use Windows as my PDC. Does anyone know of any software I can use to accomplish this with samba? thanks, Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity http://www.tkezm.org WPI Class of 2005 http://www.wpi.edu ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 28, 2004

Entry Level

by Micheal Bonner

Hello all .. I am new to this city .. and I was wondering .. i am looking for something entry level in tech.. I have been working as a food manger for soo long and looking for a change .. something that might allow me to learn and grow ... something to get my foot in the door .. i have good knowledge of linux and window .. anything to help .. advice ?

Oct. 28, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Samba PDC Question

by Mike Leo

one thing that comes to mind is using sometype of login script, which i know smb supports. Not sure if you could get kickstart to work in smb...but maybe you could. I think you'd have to push the kickstart.exe to each desktop first, but im not sure. Not sure if this was helpful at all...it just popped into my head as i read your email. --- Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello all, > I'm running Samba 3 as my PDC for a large number > of computers. > What I'd like to be able to do is push out patches > and programs to the > computers that are logged into this domain. I know > that with SMS and > Windoze Active Directory I can do this, however I > don't want to use > Windows as my PDC. Does anyone know of any software > I can use to > accomplish this with samba? > > thanks, > Chuck > > -- > Chuck Haines > chaines(a)gmail.com > ------------------------------------------- > Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity > http://www.tkezm.org > WPI Class of 2005 > http://www.wpi.edu > ------------------------------------------- > AIM: CyberGrex > YIM: CyberGrex_27 > ICQ: 3707881 > ------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com

Oct. 28, 2004

Samba PDC Question

by Chuck Haines

Hello all, I'm running Samba 3 as my PDC for a large number of computers. What I'd like to be able to do is push out patches and programs to the computers that are logged into this domain. I know that with SMS and Windoze Active Directory I can do this, however I don't want to use Windows as my PDC. Does anyone know of any software I can use to accomplish this with samba? thanks, Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity http://www.tkezm.org WPI Class of 2005 http://www.wpi.edu ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

Oct. 28, 2004

Re: [Wlug] FC3 + weird gui issue...

by Mike Leo

Isnt there a setting on your panel config that says "display only apps on this desktop"? How is that set? --- "Keller, Tim" <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> wrote: > I recently upgraded this machine (was running FC2) > to FC3 test3. Everything > works great, but I noticed one really odd anomaly. > > If I open up an app, and move it to the second head > (this machine has duel > monitors and is running Xinerama) it disappears from > the task bar. Now if I > pick the app up and move it back over to the primary > monitor it reappears on > the task bar. > > I've routed through the settings, and nothing > *looks* amiss. Anybody got > any ideas? > > Later, > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Oct. 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] gmail invite

by Andrew Mellors

sent... On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:15:28 -0400, Minkov, Ross <ross.minkov(a)hp.com> wrote: > > Anyone got any gmail invites left? Send me one if you do. > > Thanks, > Ross > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] FC3 + weird gui issue...

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding [Wlug] FC3 + weird gui issue...; "Keller, Tim" <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> adds: Tim.Keller> I recently upgraded this machine (was running FC2) to FC3 Tim.Keller> test3. Everything works great, but I noticed one really odd Tim.Keller> anomaly. Tim.Keller> If I open up an app, and move it to the second head (this Tim.Keller> machine has duel monitors and is running Xinerama) it Tim.Keller> disappears from the task bar. Now if I pick the app up and Tim.Keller> move it back over to the primary monitor it reappears on the Tim.Keller> task bar. Tim.Keller> I've routed through the settings, and nothing *looks* amiss. Tim.Keller> Anybody got any ideas? I haven't heard of this. File a bugzilla. -Jeff

Oct. 26, 2004

gmail invite

by Minkov, Ross

Anyone got any gmail invites left? Send me one if you do. Thanks, Ross

Oct. 26, 2004

FC3 + weird gui issue...

by Keller, Tim

I recently upgraded this machine (was running FC2) to FC3 test3. Everything works great, but I noticed one really odd anomaly. If I open up an app, and move it to the second head (this machine has duel monitors and is running Xinerama) it disappears from the task bar. Now if I pick the app up and move it back over to the primary monitor it reappears on the task bar. I've routed through the settings, and nothing *looks* amiss. Anybody got any ideas? Later, Tim.

Oct. 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] G-mail invites

by Scott Venier

Sent. Scott RV said: > I guess my request might be late, but if yo9u have any invites left, I > would > love one. > > Thanks, > > Rafael > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 21, 2004

RE: [Wlug] RH 7.3 ssh glitched after upgrade

by Martin, Eric

In /etc/ssh/sshd_config, uncomment the logging lines, and turn logging to debug. That will give you a lot more info. You'll want to turn it off after, as according to the sshd_config man page "Debug violates user's privacy". One thing that just happened to me as I'm typing this: ssh would prompt me for a login, but wouldn't log me in. No log of the event, just dumped me out. I sent SIGHUP to it and everything is fine now. I'm sure you've tried restarting, but weird things happen. Also, make sure that: UsePAM=yes AllowRootLogin = Yes In you /etc/ssh/sshd_config -----Original Message----- From: Dick Goodman [mailto:wlug@goodman1.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 8:32 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] RH 7.3 ssh glitched after upgrade I have four RH 7.3 servers which had not been updated for a loooong time. I just found out about fedoralegacy.org, downloaded yum and did a "yum update" (excluding kernel) on all four systems. Everything seems fine, except.... when I log in between servers with ssh (any combination) I get two lines in the log similar to the following, whereas I used to only get the second one: Oct 19 18:10:08 archive3 sshd(pam_unix)[23780]: authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=NODEVssh ruser= rhost=h-68-167-xx-xxx.cmbrmaor.covad.net user=root Oct 19 18:10:11 archive3 sshd(pam_unix)[23780]: session opened for user root by (uid=0) I didn't make any config changes, in fact I've NEVER configured ssh, just using what was installed. I'm also getting a login delay following the first authentication failure. There is no failure message in the login panel, only in the log. I only log in once. /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts does not exist on any servers, and I didn't get the warning message I remember from first contact with a server (long ago, or after ISP changes). Any suggestions? Dick _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 20, 2004

RH 7.3 ssh glitched after upgrade

by Dick Goodman

I have four RH 7.3 servers which had not been updated for a loooong time. I just found out about fedoralegacy.org, downloaded yum and did a "yum update" (excluding kernel) on all four systems. Everything seems fine, except.... when I log in between servers with ssh (any combination) I get two lines in the log similar to the following, whereas I used to only get the second one: Oct 19 18:10:08 archive3 sshd(pam_unix)[23780]: authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=NODEVssh ruser= rhost=h-68-167-xx-xxx.cmbrmaor.covad.net user=root Oct 19 18:10:11 archive3 sshd(pam_unix)[23780]: session opened for user root by (uid=0) I didn't make any config changes, in fact I've NEVER configured ssh, just using what was installed. I'm also getting a login delay following the first authentication failure. There is no failure message in the login panel, only in the log. I only log in once. /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts does not exist on any servers, and I didn't get the warning message I remember from first contact with a server (long ago, or after ISP changes). Any suggestions? Dick

Oct. 20, 2004

Re: [Wlug] mounting a pen drive (usb)

by Gina Minks

Chuck Haines wrote: >If you use gnome2 and HAL, it will automatically mount it for you. >I'm running gentoo and it works very nicely. Also, hotplug (or >coldplug, whichever it is now) might also be able to do the trick. > >Chuck > > For clarity, if you are using Redhat, the definitions for SanDisk are not in /etc/updfstab.conf.default. Because of that, hotplug doesn't know what to do with the SanDisk pens if they are recognized by the OS, and the pen will not be automatically mounted. To make it automatically mount, you must add an entry for SanDisk in the /etc/updfstab.conf file. -Gina >On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:41:08 -0400 (EDT), Ryan Caron <rcaron(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > >>Assuming you do not have any other usb devices hooked up to your laptop, >>adding the following line to your /etc/fstab will allow you to mount and >>use your pen drive as a non-root user: >> >>/dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 vfat user,noauto,exec 0 0 >> >>Using this method, you will have to type "mount /mnt/sda1" when you insert >>it and "umount /mnt/sda1" when you are done. >> >>I cannot stress how important it is to unmount! Failure to do so will >>either leave your pen drive without the changes you made or with data >>corruption (I know this from experience) >> >>If anybody knows of a way for linux to mount automatically do this I am >>all ears (switching the noauto parameter to auto doesn't do the trick). >> >>Sincerely, >>Ryan Caron >> >> >> >>>Message: 7 >>>Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:55:05 -0400 >>>From: Walt Sawyer <wsawyer(a)norfolk-county.com> >>>Subject: [Wlug] mountng a pen drive (usb) >>>To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>>Message-ID: <1097762105.2591.9.camel(a)localhost.localdomain> >>>Content-Type: text/plain >>> >>>How do I get my SanDisk cruzer mini 256 mb pen drive to mount on my >>>Fedora Core 2 laptop? >>>Thanks in advance >>>Walt >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> > > > >

Oct. 18, 2004

Re: [Wlug] mounting a pen drive (usb)

by Chuck Haines

If you use gnome2 and HAL, it will automatically mount it for you. I'm running gentoo and it works very nicely. Also, hotplug (or coldplug, whichever it is now) might also be able to do the trick. Chuck On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:41:08 -0400 (EDT), Ryan Caron <rcaron(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Assuming you do not have any other usb devices hooked up to your laptop, > adding the following line to your /etc/fstab will allow you to mount and > use your pen drive as a non-root user: > > /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 vfat user,noauto,exec 0 0 > > Using this method, you will have to type "mount /mnt/sda1" when you insert > it and "umount /mnt/sda1" when you are done. > > I cannot stress how important it is to unmount! Failure to do so will > either leave your pen drive without the changes you made or with data > corruption (I know this from experience) > > If anybody knows of a way for linux to mount automatically do this I am > all ears (switching the noauto parameter to auto doesn't do the trick). > > Sincerely, > Ryan Caron > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:55:05 -0400 > > From: Walt Sawyer <wsawyer(a)norfolk-county.com> > > Subject: [Wlug] mountng a pen drive (usb) > > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > Message-ID: <1097762105.2591.9.camel(a)localhost.localdomain> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > > > How do I get my SanDisk cruzer mini 256 mb pen drive to mount on my > > Fedora Core 2 laptop? > > Thanks in advance > > Walt > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity http://www.tkezm.org WPI Class of 2005 http://www.wpi.edu ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

Oct. 18, 2004

Re: [Wlug] video confrencing

by Baris Hasdemir

On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 10:14, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > Was wondering if anyone could suggest a USB cam that works well with > the video4linux API that will work with > http://www.gnomemeeting.org/ > > > Or if you had any other video conferencing SW or HW suggestions? > Something both for me to use on linux and for the corprate managemet > type of people to use. Hi, could you get any results in your search of that USB cam? I am particularly interested with low end web cams. Is there a working web cam out there at arm's reach? I have just hammered, ground and vacuum cleaned my logitech pro 3000 cam which was constantly refusing any kind of open source solution. >:-) thanks, baris

Oct. 18, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Gmail invites - any left?

by Scott Venier

Sent. Joel Desrochers said: > Hi, > > If someone has an extra Gmail invite, I would appreciate one also. > > Thank you > > Joel Desrochers > > _________________________________________________________________ > Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 16, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Gmail invites - any left?

by Casey Rankin

sent! On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:58:06 -0400, Joel Desrochers <joelgroup(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > If someone has an extra Gmail invite, I would appreciate one also. > > Thank you > > Joel Desrochers > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Oct. 16, 2004

Gmail invites - any left?

by Joel Desrochers

Hi, If someone has an extra Gmail invite, I would appreciate one also. Thank you Joel Desrochers _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

Oct. 16, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re:FireFox

by Keith Wright

> From: Micheal Bonner <BiggDaddyCool(a)peoplepc.com> > > Hello.. I am trying to make my firefox work with my Thunderbird I don't use Thunderbird, but I don't think your question depends on that. > but I dont understand one thing > when you say.... Change the paths to point to this executable shell script: > > How do you do this ... To save you from typing the complete path to an executable command, and to save the shell from searching your whole disk, bash (the shell) keeps a list of directories in which it searches for executable files. It keeps this as a colon separated list in the variable $PATH. You can see what it is by typing echo $PATH to a shell prompt. You usually set this variable by including, in the file .bash_profile in your home directory, the following lines PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin export PATH This adds the ~/bin directory in your home directory to whatever was in the path before. The .bash_profile is executed whenever you log in. Then it will find executable files in that directory. Next I have the file 'firebird' in that ~/bin directory. $ ls -l firebird -rwxr--r-- 1 kwright kwright 70 Oct 29 2003 firebird Note the "x" among the permissions. This means I am allowed to execute the file. You can add the "x" by chmod u+x firebird while in the ~/bin directory. Finally, the contents of the file are $ cat firebird #!/bin/bash /home/kwright/build/Firebird-0.7.0/MozillaFirebird $1 & Of course you change /home/kwright/build to wherever you put the Firebird directory (and use your no-doubt newer version number, I'll get to it one day) > is this a file or do you do it in konsole and > what is the path that you should change it too .. Oh, oh! Is 'konsole' a KDE program? I don't use KDE either, I have given you directions for getting the command 'firebird' to work at a shell prompt. In Gnome the next refinement is to right click in the control panel, choose: Add to Panel >>> Launcher, and type the shell command i.e. 'firebird' into the form next to "command". That adds an icon to the control panel that types the command for you. I assume KDE does something similar. > thanks for your help .. and please forgive that i am a newbie I have no problem with someone asking questions, but that word "newbie" gets on my nerves sometimes. Why can't we all be something in the dictionary---like beginners or learners. -- Keith

Oct. 16, 2004

G-mail invites

by RV

I guess my request might be late, but if yo9u have any invites left, I would love one. Thanks, Rafael

Oct. 16, 2004

RE: [Wlug] mounting a pen drive (usb)

by Martin, Eric

Prob the automounter... There should be a dir /mnt/auto? I know knoppix uses that a lot -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Avedissian [mailto:gma2004@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 12:32 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] mounting a pen drive (usb) SuSE 9.1 will automatically mount and unmount a pen drive, floppy disk or cd. I haven't yet figured out how it does that. Greg Ryan Caron wrote: > Assuming you do not have any other usb devices hooked up to your > laptop, > adding the following line to your /etc/fstab will allow you to mount and > use your pen drive as a non-root user: > > /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 vfat user,noauto,exec 0 0 > > Using this method, you will have to type "mount /mnt/sda1" when you > insert > it and "umount /mnt/sda1" when you are done. > > I cannot stress how important it is to unmount! Failure to do so will > either leave your pen drive without the changes you made or with data > corruption (I know this from experience) > > If anybody knows of a way for linux to mount automatically do this I > am > all ears (switching the noauto parameter to auto doesn't do the trick). > > Sincerely, > Ryan Caron > > > >>Message: 7 >>Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:55:05 -0400 >>From: Walt Sawyer <wsawyer(a)norfolk-county.com> >>Subject: [Wlug] mountng a pen drive (usb) >>To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>Message-ID: <1097762105.2591.9.camel(a)localhost.localdomain> >>Content-Type: text/plain >> >>How do I get my SanDisk cruzer mini 256 mb pen drive to mount on my >>Fedora Core 2 laptop? Thanks in advance >>Walt > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 15, 2004

RE: [Wlug] NFS question

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding RE: [Wlug] NFS question; Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: andystewart> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash> SHA1 andystewart> On Thursday 14 October 2004 10:09 am, Jeff Moyer wrote: >> The one hardware component you may need to buy would be a fencing >> device. >> andystewart> I have a "fencing device" - its a 4' long wooden replica of a andystewart> German longsword. You could beat the computer with it if you andystewart> get frustrated. ;-) andystewart> Cost: $90 - handmade Everyone's a comedian. ;) I/O fencing - n. The act of isolating a rogue program or computer from a shared storage medium. This is a term used in clustering, whereby one node is determined to be in an unknown state and, in order to perform recovery, it must be kept from writing any further data to the shared storage. Common methods of fencing include, but are not limited to: STONITH - "The big hammer" approach. Stands for Shoot The Other Node In The Head. Also known as STOMITH, where M is Member. Effected by the use of remote power switches, this is a common fencing method in Linux clusters. Essentially, each node has access to the power switch for each other node. In the event of a node failure, a surviving member will reset power on the failed node. SCSI Reservations - A part of the SCSI standard, reservations restrict access to storage to the device which issued the reservation. In Digital Clusters (later Compaq TruClusters), DAIO (pronounced day-o, Direct Access I/O) disks were turned into served disks, and "owned" by one member of the cluster. This member would issue the SCSI RESERVE command for the disk, and other members wishing to initiate I/O to this disk would have to go through the server. This is not anything as crude as NFS. Remember Digital had its proprietary Memory Channel bus, which is used to issue the I/O requests and get responses. SCSI Reservations can be broken by the holder issuing a Release command, or by any type of reset (bus, power). Because of this, it has been historically problematic (most O/S's will reset the SCSI bus on boot). So, when a node is determined to be in an unknown/unsafe state, the cluster will clear its reservation (by issuing a reset to the device) and another node will take over serving the disk. Persistent Reservations - A newer form of the Reservation above, persistent reserves persist across bus resets and, on some (most) devices, across power cycles. The concept of a "group reservation" was introduced to support clustering. Basically, when a node boots, it can "register" itself with the disk. When each member of the cluster has booted and registered (and, of course, has quorum), then one member will issue the group reservation command. This restricts access to the disks to those nodes registered. (In this case, I use the term node, but really mean initiator). In order to "fence" a member of the cluster, a node can preempt another node's reservation. Fencing at the Fibre Channel switch level - Most fibre channel switches allow partitioning of targets. One can, for example, limit access to a given target on the FC switch to a subset of initiators. This is done through the management interface for the device. GFS, for example, can be configured to use this method of fencing. Watchdog Timers - A watchdog timer is a means to determine application health. Essentially, an application starts the timer, and then must "pet the dog" at a given interval. Failure to pet the dog (reset the timer) will result in the watchdog rebooting the system. Watchdog timers come in two forms, hardware and software. Hardware timers are obviously preferred to software timers. I would not recommend watchdog timers in general as a fencing device because there is no way for another node to guarantee that a member has removed itself from the cluster. While communications with the node may have been cut off, it is not guaranteed that the node will not issue any further I/O to shared storage. Note that a hardware watchdog timer can be used safely as a fencing device, but it depends highly on the implementation. It's easier to mess this one up than the other methods. Also, I use the term "fencing device" loosely, here, since no other node is performing an action which isolates this node from shared storage. Now, back to my regularly scheduled coding... -Jeff

Oct. 15, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re:FireFox

by Brett Russ

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 06:03:47 -0400, Micheal Bonner <biggdaddycool(a)peoplepc.com> wrote: > Hello.. I am trying to make my firefox work with my Thunderbird > but I dont understand one thing > when you say.... Change the paths to point to this executable shell script: > > How do you do this ... is this a file or do you do it in konsole and > what is the path that you should change it too .. Create the script I mentioned here: http://paramount.ind.wpi.edu/pipermail/wlug/2004-October/004222.html as a new file (call it launch-firefox). I would recommend making a 'bin' directory under your home directory (mkdir ~/bin), create the script in that dir using an editor like kate or something easy, then add execute permissions (chmod 755 ~/bin/launch-firefox). Make sure you change the path *inside* the script (export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/path/to/firefox/dir) to point to the dir that you have firefox installed in. I know this might sound complicated and it shouldn't need to be this way but firefox is still prerelease software and on Linux there's less people trying to make things easier. The typical Linux user does it their own way anyway. Keep asking questions...the only way to learn, BR

Oct. 15, 2004

Re:FireFox

by Micheal Bonner

Hello.. I am trying to make my firefox work with my Thunderbird but I dont understand one thing when you say.... Change the paths to point to this executable shell script: How do you do this ... is this a file or do you do it in konsole and what is the path that you should change it too .. thanks for your help .. and please forgive that i am a newbie

Oct. 15, 2004

Re: [Wlug] mountng a pen drive (usb)

by Walt Sawyer

Thanks! That did it; it works great! Walt On Thu, 2004-10-14 at 10:21, Gina Minks wrote: > = > > How do I get my SanDisk cruzer mini 256 mb pen drive to mount on my > Fedora Core 2 laptop? > > > Check to see if the pen has already been recognized by hotplug by checking for an entry in /etc/fstab > > If there is not an entry there, check to see if the OS recognizes the pen. Lots of places to check.. > > cat /etc/proc/scsi/scsi > > you should see: > Attached devices: > Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 > Vendor: SanDisk Model: Cruzer Mini Rev: 0.1 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > > or look for it in dmesg: > dmesg | grep San > Vendor: SanDisk Model: Cruzer Mini Rev: 0.1 > > or in /etc/sysconfig/hwconf: > grep San hwconf > desc: "SanDisk Corporation Cruzer Mini" > usbmfr: SanDisk Corporation > desc: "Sandisk Cruzer Mini" > > If the OS recognizes the pen, most likely updfstab does not have an entry for it. For RH9, entries for updfstab are in /etc/updfstab.conf.default > > This is the file hotplug uses to know what to write to the fstab file so you can mount the pen. > > I added an entry to the "flash" stanza: > > device flash { > partition 1 > match hd CompactFlash > match hd ImageMate > match hd SanDisk > match hd "USB Drive" > > > Once you add that, look in the fstab file to see if hotplug worked. > > You will still have to mount it, it should show up as /mnt/flash > > > -Gina > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > ============================================================ > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 15, 2004

RE: [Wlug] NFS question

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 14 October 2004 10:09 am, Jeff Moyer wrote: > > The one hardware component you may need to buy would be a fencing device. > I have a "fencing device" - its a 4' long wooden replica of a German longsword. You could beat the computer with it if you get frustrated. ;-) Cost: $90 - handmade - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBbyxZHl0iXDssISsRAikiAJ9GoocRinLAkLfUDaRNJxIk6OJv5wCfeLKE nVJuse9fSsw7FCJuWnnAOyg= =XOsI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 15, 2004

Re: [Wlug] mountng a pen drive (usb)

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 14 October 2004 9:55 am, Walt Sawyer wrote: > How do I get my SanDisk cruzer mini 256 mb pen drive to mount on my > Fedora Core 2 laptop? > Thanks in advance > Walt HI Walt, I always double check to insure that USB devices are supported by Linux. One place to check is: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/ It helps to know the vendor ID and device ID of your device before checking this site, since sometimes the marketing name of the device changes (or varies in different countries). You can find the vendor and device IDs with the command "lsusb" or the GUI "usbview", or "cat /proc/bus/usb/devices". In my experience, with this info, and consulting the aforementioned website, if the site says it works, it will work. I checked your device and it appears that it should work, but double check with the vendor and device IDs to be sure. If usbview (or the others) sees the device, that's good, but it doesn't always mean that the device will work with Linux. The hotplug system should have installed the kernel modules for you. If you try "fdisk -l" (letter ell), you should see a new SCSI device (that's how USB "disks" (pen drives, etc) show up). It would be in the form: /dev/sdXY. If fdisk doesn't show it, check your kernel modules and your system log (/var/log/messages). Yes...I've been through this a few dozen times..... :-) often to no avail. Be careful what you purchase. I've also discovered that some flavors of kernel 2.6.x have problems with USB. After communicating with Greg Kroah-Hartman (kernel USB developer), he fixed a couple of things, and then I ended up moving to kernel version 2.6.8.1. I had fewer problems with the later 2.4 kernels, but thankfully 2.6.8.1 is working nicely for my USB devices. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBbytZHl0iXDssISsRAtLgAJ9gR8OtvONdQKkfmVi44KVrVst4RQCeKo4p eBJojmRxM3/E1dpGEvgMpGQ= =6hEI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 15, 2004