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Re: [Wlug] Re: Success, almost, with GNOME

by Jared Greenwald

Though normally I'm a supporter of Gentoo, it can be a little complex to install and keep up to date... You might want to check out edubuntu. (http://www.edubuntu.org/) Its actually specifically designed as a Linux distro for use with kids. -Jared On 12/15/05, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > Thanks everyone. I am a KDE fan also. I went to GNOME as an > experiment. I have a memory leak problem with CORE 3 such that every > week or so I need to reboot. (soxview shows SWAP free space slowly > getting smaller and smaller) It turned out that this behavior is > independent of windows manager. > > A question. Whom do I contact at Red Hat to propose that they help the > Fitchburg Public School District migrate to LINUX server based "best > office practices"? > > Ken Jones > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 15, 2005

Re: Success, almost, with GNOME

by Ken Jones

Thanks everyone. I am a KDE fan also. I went to GNOME as an experiment. I have a memory leak problem with CORE 3 such that every week or so I need to reboot. (soxview shows SWAP free space slowly getting smaller and smaller) It turned out that this behavior is independent of windows manager. A question. Whom do I contact at Red Hat to propose that they help the Fitchburg Public School District migrate to LINUX server based "best office practices"? Ken Jones

Dec. 15, 2005

RE: [Wlug] Success, almost, with GNOME

by Gary Hanley

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005, Keller, Tim wrote: > Personally, I've moved away from gnome and I've been using xfce and I've > never been happier. I've just finished moving off of Gnome too. I didn't look into xfce but I'm happier with KDE than I was with Gnome. -- Gary

Dec. 15, 2005

RE: [Wlug] Success, almost, with GNOME

by Keller, Tim

Personally, I've moved away from gnome and I've been using xfce and I've never been happier. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Jared Greenwald Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:54 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Success, almost, with GNOME On 12/15/05, Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> wrote: > ==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] Success, almost, with GNOME; Jared Greenwald <greenwaldjared(a)gmail.com> adds: > > greenwaldjared> What about .gnome or .gnome2 directories? There's always > greenwaldjared> restarting the X server with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace (that's > greenwaldjared> backspace, not delete). > > greenwaldjared> Not to start a flame war, but my personal recommendation > greenwaldjared> would be to switch to KDE, but I'm rather biased. KDE 3.5 > greenwaldjared> is really good. :) > > You're not alone in that recommendation. ;) > > http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000390. html I saw that the other day, but didn't want to drop the obvious "endorsed by..." tag line... :) _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 15, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Success, almost, with GNOME

by Jared Greenwald

On 12/15/05, Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> wrote: > ==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] Success, almost, with GNOME; Jared Greenwald <greenwaldjared(a)gmail.com> adds: > > greenwaldjared> What about .gnome or .gnome2 directories? There's always > greenwaldjared> restarting the X server with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace (that's > greenwaldjared> backspace, not delete). > > greenwaldjared> Not to start a flame war, but my personal recommendation > greenwaldjared> would be to switch to KDE, but I'm rather biased. KDE 3.5 > greenwaldjared> is really good. :) > > You're not alone in that recommendation. ;) > > http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000390.html I saw that the other day, but didn't want to drop the obvious "endorsed by..." tag line... :)

Dec. 15, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Success, almost, with GNOME

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] Success, almost, with GNOME; Jared Greenwald <greenwaldjared(a)gmail.com> adds: greenwaldjared> What about .gnome or .gnome2 directories? There's always greenwaldjared> restarting the X server with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace (that's greenwaldjared> backspace, not delete). greenwaldjared> Not to start a flame war, but my personal recommendation greenwaldjared> would be to switch to KDE, but I'm rather biased. KDE 3.5 greenwaldjared> is really good. :) You're not alone in that recommendation. ;) http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000390.html -Jeff

Dec. 15, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Success, almost, with GNOME

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding [Wlug] Success, almost, with GNOME; Ken Jones <jonesj(a)ziplink.net> adds: jonesj> Per the suggestion of Chuck Anderson I logged in under a new jonesj> account. GNOME desktop worked just as it should. So I removed all jonesj> of the /home/kjones/.gconf directory and logged in again as myself. jonesj> Still it did not work correctly. In particular the right click on jonesj> empty space did not work. jonesj> I did a "diff -r" on the two (now default versions I suppose) jonesj> .gconf directories. They seemed the same save for unique jonesj> identifiers. Where do I look to find the differences? I think you might want to poke around in the .gnome directory. Try the diff between the new user's .gnome and yours. jonesj> One other question. The Applications launcher on GNOME does not jonesj> contain the LOG OUT feature. I know the command "shutdown", but I jonesj> can not find a command to Log Out. Is there one? What is it? It's under the Desktop launcher on my Fedora system. -Jeff

Dec. 15, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Success, almost, with GNOME

by Jared Greenwald

What about .gnome or .gnome2 directories? There's always restarting the X server with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace (that's backspace, not delete). Not to start a flame war, but my personal recommendation would be to switch to KDE, but I'm rather biased. KDE 3.5 is really good. :) On 12/12/05, Ken Jones <jonesj(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > Per the suggestion of Chuck Anderson I logged in under a new account. > GNOME desktop worked just as it should. So I removed all of the > /home/kjones/.gconf directory and logged in again as myself. > > Still it did not work correctly. In particular the right click on empty > space did not work. > > I did a "diff -r" on the two (now default versions I suppose) .gconf > directories. They seemed the same save for unique identifiers. Where > do I look to find the differences? > > One other question. The Applications launcher on GNOME does not contain > the LOG OUT feature. I know the command "shutdown", but I can not find > a command to Log Out. Is there one? What is it? > > Ken Jones > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 15, 2005

Links from tonights meeting

by Frank Sweetser

Some of the links that were mentioned in tonights rambling meeting: isc.sans.org Internet Storm Center. A bunch of internet security professionals publishing a diary about major trends in online security. www.thedailywtf.com The Daily "What The F**k?" A programmer oriented blog of "Curious Perversions in Information Technology". -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

Dec. 15, 2005

Re: [Wlug] getting that cpu to sleep ...

by brad

I looked into rt-linux. It appears that your real time process doesn't actually run as a process but as a kernel module. Unfortunately this would disrupt the flow of my program, but i'll keep this in the back of my head for the next version. Thanks for the suggestion. --Brad On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 09:26:51PM -0500, Keith Wright wrote: > > From: brad <maitre(a)ccs.neu.edu> > > > > > The immediate task at hand is that i want to get readings from > > an instrument (a light sensor) at a uniform interval, say every > > 1000 micro seconds. I have been able to achieve this task by > > setting up the loop i described above. However the loop above > > takes 99% of the CPU. I'd like to be able to achieve this > > without pegging the CPU at 99%. Does this make sense? if not i > > can try explaining it again, perhaps with some code. > > > > The kernel i'm running is 2.6.12. (well uname -r reports > > '2.6.12-9-686-smp.' its ubuntu's stock smp kernel.) > > You are doing something that Linux was not designed to do. > But don't despair, you are not the first one. > There is RT-Linux, (Real-Time Linux), which consists of > a real-time scheduler (meaning that it is designed to schedule > tasks with non-negotiable time constraints), which treats the > entire Linux kernel as a background task. > > Assuming your raw processor speed is sufficient (without which > you lose no matter what you do), the RT-Linux scheduler will > run your special task at guaranteed intervals, while any network, > disk I/O, web browsing, etc. that you need to do can use the > Linux system in the cracks between. > > Also the embedded Linux project and uCLinux (microComputer) > Linux might be interesting. Give any of these terms to > Google and get back more than you can read, but here is > a link to get started: > > http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT3694406595.html > > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 14, 2005

Reminder: Meeting Wed 14-dec-05 7:00 PM

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, Our next meeting is coming up really soon - this Wednesday, Dec 14, at 7:00 PM in the Access Grid room at WPI (lower level of Morgan Hall). I don't have any defined topic for the meeting, so I'm open to any ideas you might have. I have some flyers from Addison-Wesley & Prentice Hall which are for a 40% (yes, forty percent) discount on books purchased online prior to January 10, 2006. They will be available at this meeting. Also, I'll bring the following books for the zero cost raffle: Linux, Debugging and Performance Tuning Author: Steve Best Prentice Hall Apache Derby - Off to the Races Includes Details of IBM Cloudscape Authors: Paul C. Zikopoulos, Dan Scott, George Baklarz IBM Press That's about it - I look forward to seeing you at the meeting! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDnkIzHl0iXDssISsRAiR8AJ9D/L0X/Iak0TLPTt0dnA6Hgg288ACeMYdn zWNMvvBXjO7C9Cq6zSuPNH0= =enyh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Dec. 13, 2005

Re: [Wlug] getting that cpu to sleep ...

by Keith Wright

> From: brad <maitre(a)ccs.neu.edu> > > > The immediate task at hand is that i want to get readings from > an instrument (a light sensor) at a uniform interval, say every > 1000 micro seconds. I have been able to achieve this task by > setting up the loop i described above. However the loop above > takes 99% of the CPU. I'd like to be able to achieve this > without pegging the CPU at 99%. Does this make sense? if not i > can try explaining it again, perhaps with some code. > > The kernel i'm running is 2.6.12. (well uname -r reports > '2.6.12-9-686-smp.' its ubuntu's stock smp kernel.) You are doing something that Linux was not designed to do. But don't despair, you are not the first one. There is RT-Linux, (Real-Time Linux), which consists of a real-time scheduler (meaning that it is designed to schedule tasks with non-negotiable time constraints), which treats the entire Linux kernel as a background task. Assuming your raw processor speed is sufficient (without which you lose no matter what you do), the RT-Linux scheduler will run your special task at guaranteed intervals, while any network, disk I/O, web browsing, etc. that you need to do can use the Linux system in the cracks between. Also the embedded Linux project and uCLinux (microComputer) Linux might be interesting. Give any of these terms to Google and get back more than you can read, but here is a link to get started: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT3694406595.html -- Keith

Dec. 13, 2005

Re: [Wlug] getting that cpu to sleep ...

by brad

On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 06:17:35PM -0500, Jeff Moyer wrote: > ==> Regarding [Wlug] getting that cpu to sleep ...; brad <maitre(a)ccs.neu.edu> adds: > > maitre> greetings, > > maitre> I have a question for those linux programmers out there. i'm > maitre> writing a program on linux (kubuntu to be specific) that requires > maitre> high-precision timing, somewhere on the order of 100 to 1000 micro > maitre> seconds. I get very good timing out of a loop written such that a > maitre> while() loop checks the system clock after every iteration and > maitre> comparing that to the desired wait time, like so (pseudo_code): > maitre> while(time_passed < wait_time) { time_passed = get_time() } ... > > maitre> The problem with this approach is that the process uses 99% of the > maitre> CPU since it just spins the CPU until enough time has expired. My > > The other problem with this is that you can be scheduled if your timeslice > runs out. > ummm, i didn't think about that one. > maitre> question: is there a way on linux (in C) to have the CPU sleep or > maitre> send it a no-op such that it's not just eating up cycles until time > maitre> expires? I have looked at nanosleep and usleep, however they appear > maitre> to only have precision to 10ms which too latent for my needs. > > As Mike pointed out, in more recent kernels you can tune the value of HZ to > get better granularity from select/poll. > Actually Mike's response reminded me of an article i bumped into about nanosleep on dragonflyBSD http://www.dragonflybsd.org/docs/nanosleep/ > What, precisely, are you trying to do and on what kernel? Perhaps with > more information we could provide better guidance. > The immediate task at hand is that i want to get readings from an instrument (a light sensor) at a uniform interval, say every 1000 micro seconds. I have been able to achieve this task by setting up the loop i described above. However the loop above takes 99% of the CPU. I'd like to be able to achieve this without pegging the CPU at 99%. Does this make sense? if not i can try explaining it again, perhaps with some code. The kernel i'm running is 2.6.12. (well uname -r reports '2.6.12-9-686-smp.' its ubuntu's stock smp kernel.) -brad

Dec. 13, 2005

Re: [Wlug] getting that cpu to sleep ...

by Bradley Noyes

On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 06:17:35PM -0500, Jeff Moyer wrote: > ==> Regarding [Wlug] getting that cpu to sleep ...; brad <maitre(a)ccs.neu.edu> adds: > > maitre> greetings, > > maitre> I have a question for those linux programmers out there. i'm > maitre> writing a program on linux (kubuntu to be specific) that requires > maitre> high-precision timing, somewhere on the order of 100 to 1000 micro > maitre> seconds. I get very good timing out of a loop written such that a > maitre> while() loop checks the system clock after every iteration and > maitre> comparing that to the desired wait time, like so (pseudo_code): > maitre> while(time_passed < wait_time) { time_passed = get_time() } ... > > maitre> The problem with this approach is that the process uses 99% of the > maitre> CPU since it just spins the CPU until enough time has expired. My > > The other problem with this is that you can be scheduled if your timeslice > runs out. > umm, i didn't think about that one. > maitre> question: is there a way on linux (in C) to have the CPU sleep or > maitre> send it a no-op such that it's not just eating up cycles until time > maitre> expires? I have looked at nanosleep and usleep, however they appear > maitre> to only have precision to 10ms which too latent for my needs. > > As Mike pointed out, in more recent kernels you can tune the value of HZ to > get better granularity from select/poll. > Actually Mike's response reminded me of an article i bumped into about nanosleep on dragonflyBSD http://www.dragonflybsd.org/docs/nanosleep/ > What, precisely, are you trying to do and on what kernel? Perhaps with > more information we could provide better guidance. > The immediate task at hand is that i want to get readings from an instrument (a light sensor) at a uniform interval, say every 1000 micro seconds. I have been able to achieve this task by setting up the loop i described above. However the loop above takes 99% of the CPU. I'd like to be able to achieve this without pegging the CPU at 99%. Does this make sense? if not i can try explaining it again, perhaps with some code. The kernel i'm running is 2.6.12. (well uname -r reports '2.6.12-9-686-smp.' its ubuntu's stock smp kernel.) -brad

Dec. 13, 2005

Re: [Wlug] getting that cpu to sleep ...

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding [Wlug] getting that cpu to sleep ...; brad <maitre(a)ccs.neu.edu> adds: maitre> greetings, maitre> I have a question for those linux programmers out there. i'm maitre> writing a program on linux (kubuntu to be specific) that requires maitre> high-precision timing, somewhere on the order of 100 to 1000 micro maitre> seconds. I get very good timing out of a loop written such that a maitre> while() loop checks the system clock after every iteration and maitre> comparing that to the desired wait time, like so (pseudo_code): maitre> while(time_passed < wait_time) { time_passed = get_time() } ... maitre> The problem with this approach is that the process uses 99% of the maitre> CPU since it just spins the CPU until enough time has expired. My The other problem with this is that you can be scheduled if your timeslice runs out. maitre> question: is there a way on linux (in C) to have the CPU sleep or maitre> send it a no-op such that it's not just eating up cycles until time maitre> expires? I have looked at nanosleep and usleep, however they appear maitre> to only have precision to 10ms which too latent for my needs. As Mike pointed out, in more recent kernels you can tune the value of HZ to get better granularity from select/poll. What, precisely, are you trying to do and on what kernel? Perhaps with more information we could provide better guidance. -Jeff

Dec. 12, 2005

Re: [Wlug] getting that cpu to sleep ...

by Mike Frysinger

On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 05:48:24PM -0500, brad wrote: > My question: is here a way on linux (in C) to have the CPU sleep or > send it a no-op such that it's not just eating up cycles until time > expires? I have looked at nanosleep and usleep, however they appear > to only have precision to 10ms which too latent for my needs. you cant unless you tweak the kernel HZ settings read this page: http://kerneltrap.org/node/464 -mike

Dec. 12, 2005

getting that cpu to sleep ...

by brad

greetings, I have a question for those linux programmers out there. i'm writing a program on linux (kubuntu to be specific) that requires high-precision timing, somewhere on the order of 100 to 1000 micro seconds. I get very good timing out of a loop written such that a while() loop checks the system clock after every iteration and comparing that to the desired wait time, like so (pseudo_code): while(time_passed < wait_time) { time_passed = get_time() } ... The problem with this approach is that the process uses 99% of the CPU since it just spins the CPU until enough time has expired. My question: is there a way on linux (in C) to have the CPU sleep or send it a no-op such that it's not just eating up cycles until time expires? I have looked at nanosleep and usleep, however they appear to only have precision to 10ms which too latent for my needs. Thanks, --Brad

Dec. 12, 2005

Success, almost, with GNOME

by Ken Jones

Per the suggestion of Chuck Anderson I logged in under a new account. GNOME desktop worked just as it should. So I removed all of the /home/kjones/.gconf directory and logged in again as myself. Still it did not work correctly. In particular the right click on empty space did not work. I did a "diff -r" on the two (now default versions I suppose) .gconf directories. They seemed the same save for unique identifiers. Where do I look to find the differences? One other question. The Applications launcher on GNOME does not contain the LOG OUT feature. I know the command "shutdown", but I can not find a command to Log Out. Is there one? What is it? Ken Jones

Dec. 12, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Problem with gnome, Fedora core 3

by Chuck Anderson

On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 03:58:05PM -0500, Ken Jones wrote: > Any ideas what controls this behavior and ow I can fix it? On a > different machine I have a Core4 system running GNOME perfectly. Try creating a new account and logging in to that one to see if the problem exists there. If not, then it is definately something in your user account, such as your gconf settings.

Dec. 10, 2005

Problem with gnome, Fedora core 3

by Ken Jones

Gentlemen and ladies, My Fedora Core 3 - which has been yum'd up to date - behaves strangely when using GNOME as the windows manager. The right click on blank desktop space does not work. The right click on a panel to make a new panel does not work. The result is that I can not set up any launching icons on my desktop. There is no unused space on my one (bottom) panel. The panel-disappear icon is missing. Any ideas what controls this behavior and ow I can fix it? On a different machine I have a Core4 system running GNOME perfectly. Ken Jones

Dec. 10, 2005

Wanted: used laptop power supply

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI gang, I'm looking for a used (functioning) laptop power supply. I won't be using it for a laptop. Input: 120VAC 60Hz (standard wall socket) Output: anywhere from 12 VDC - 48 VDC at about 2 amps I need about 24 watts, so the current goes up as V goes down 48 VDC @ 0.5 A, 24 VDC @ 1.0 A, 12 VDC @ 2.0 A, etc the barrel connector will look like this neg ---C. ---pos that pic won't look right, but it is neg on outside pos on the inside Please send email if you have one, and we can negotiate a price, trade, or whatever you'd like. Ideally, you could bring it to the upcoming WLUG meeting on Wednesday, Dec 14th. Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDmm/vHl0iXDssISsRAkEPAJ9FapCV+aOZmtS1wUT2VJ4/C14fCQCeI//x 9H6CbNJklxMzQbepGvSBpa0= =1Gi+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Dec. 10, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Grub problems after imaging drive

by Brett Russ

On 12/7/05, Dick Goodman <wlug(a)goodman1.net> wrote: > root (hd0,0) > setup (hd0) > quit > > The messages after setup did not look like error messages. The behavior is I need to see those messages. > How do I resolve this? What additional information do you need? The messages above and the output of the grub "geometry (hd0)" command, assuming everything is on the first HDD in the system. Also let us know the intended mount point for each of those partitions. Andy is correct in that the best way to figure this out is to work with the grub command line and walk through the steps it would take trying to boot your system. And Eric is correct in that the grub config file would also be handy. Since the disks are partitioned the same my guess is that the problem lies in the grub stage image installation. I believe some filesystems can get away without a stage1_5 (ext2 being one example, likely used on your RH box) and since you didn't supply an explicit image device to the setup command it's possible that the install wasn't able to find them on the root (hd0,0) that you specified. > Is there a better way to clone Linux drive -> Linux drive? Yes, boot from a Linux CD (like the knoppix that you mentioned) and `dd if=/dev/<good> of=/dev/<blank>` <good> might be hda for example. Obviously blank needs to be as big or bigger than good or you risk an incomplete copy and therefore chopped filesystems. BR

Dec. 9, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Grub problems after imaging drive

by Eric Martin

dick, can you post you /boot/grub/grub.conf (or /boot/grub/menu.lst). menu.lst is the old way, it's probably a symlink now... On 12/7/05, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dick Goodman wrote: > > I recently configured a RedHat 9 system with OpenVPN . The original > > configuration was done on an old junk box. This is a single boot w/grub > > system > > > > As of last week I knew nothing about grub; I now know marginally more. > > > > As it was working successfully, it was decided to build a new box for > it. > > The hard drive was imaged with Ghost Corporate 8.x and restored onto the > > new drive. There are some known issues with 8.x and grub > > > > The grub screen comes up on booting the new box, but when selecting the > > (one) entry for RH9, after a short pause it comes back to the grub > > screen. I read the grub manual, and from the grub screen did c-command, > > then > > > > root (hd0,0) > > setup (hd0) > > quit > > > > The messages after setup did not look like error messages. The behavior > > is the same, although I see a message about stage 1.5 flicker by. > > I figured out how to look at the hard drive with Knoppix 3.8.2 Live CD > > and the partitions and contents look "ok", so it appears to just be a > > boot issue. > > > > How do I resolve this? What additional information do you need? Is there > > a better way to clone Linux drive -> Linux drive? > > > > Dick > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > Here's what I use for boot commands in GRUB on my system. Its SuSE, but > I don't think it should make a difference. > > root (hd0,0)/vmlinuz <boot parameters> > initrd (hd0,0)/initrd > > - From a GRUB command line, make sure (by using the TAB key) that (hd0,0) > is a legitimate partition, and that it can find /vmlinuz (or whatever > kernel image you are using). If you need initrd, you can use the same > trick with the TAB key to get a poor man's directory listing. > > After you enter those lines, or edit the existing lines to make them > look as above, boot it and you should at least get the kernel to start. > You may need to specify "root=/dev/xxx" as one of the boot parameters > on the "root" command. If you get a panic when it tries to mount root, > it is either because you didn't specify "root=/dev/xxx", or because the > code for the root device isn't present in the kernel (for example, a > SCSI driver or a reiserfs module, as appropriate). I hope root isn't > part of LVM...that's a can of worms you should avoid, but I digress. > > I hope this helps, > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFDlnkCHl0iXDssISsRAuiaAJ0ZhX3Il4sFM2Yt2cCG1IQBZMy11wCfZIcn > bPoThROtkjrTtXGgaHq2Vms= > =J3lU > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] ftp in bash script

by John Stoffel

Gregory> I'm writing a bash script to download a logfile from a site, Gregory> archive it, then upload the archive to the site. I want the Gregory> script to stop if the file doesn't download correctly, and I Gregory> think I've accomplished this. (i.e. it works right when I set Gregory> it up to download a non-existent file.) Can't you run a script on the remote site? That would make the problem trivial. Also, you might want to check and see if your site (if you don't have full control) offers the ability to automatically rotate logs for you, which would make things much simpler all around. Gregory> Question: will ftp always return an error if the file is Gregory> downloaded incorrectly or incompletely? Nope, I don't think it will. You might try to use wget instead. Also, I'd try to download the file, then re-download it and see if the files are the same. If not, then you have a problem. It's a question of whether you're willing to lose logging information from your ftpd server. If you can lose some data. then what you're proposing should work. Gregory> This is important, because the last part of the script will Gregory> replace the file on the ftp server with a blank file of the Gregory> same name. I don't want to wipe out the original logfile if I Gregory> don't have it all. It's hard to do this, because in the time between you download the file, it might log a download (such as the FTP getting the log file itself!) and you'll miss details. Again, look for a solution where you can get the remote site to do the log rotation for you, since with the help of the ftp server, you can make sure you get a clean and consistent log file. Gregory> (secondary question: Is there a way to pass the "delete" Gregory> argument without using the interactive shell?) Not sure. You shouldn't have to anyway, just upload a zero length file over the log file and you'r eall set. Gregory> Here's what the first section of the script looks like. Third Gregory> question: If I set this up to run as a cron job, what happens Gregory> to my echo messages? Will they appear in /var/log/messages? You should look into using 'expect' to do all this work for you, it's the tool to use to automate a manual process. John

Dec. 7, 2005

ftp in bash script

by Gregory Avedissian

I'm writing a bash script to download a logfile from a site, archive it, then upload the archive to the site. I want the script to stop if the file doesn't download correctly, and I think I've accomplished this. (i.e. it works right when I set it up to download a non-existent file.) Question: will ftp always return an error if the file is downloaded incorrectly or incompletely? This is important, because the last part of the script will replace the file on the ftp server with a blank file of the same name. I don't want to wipe out the original logfile if I don't have it all. (secondary question: Is there a way to pass the "delete" argument without using the interactive shell?) Here's what the first section of the script looks like. Third question: If I set this up to run as a cron job, what happens to my echo messages? Will they appear in /var/log/messages? #download logfile if ftp ftp://user:password@ftp.site.net/logfile.log; then echo echo "File has been downloaded" echo else echo "Download failed" exit fi Thanks, Greg

Dec. 7, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Grub problems after imaging drive

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dick Goodman wrote: > I recently configured a RedHat 9 system with OpenVPN . The original > configuration was done on an old junk box. This is a single boot w/grub > system > > As of last week I knew nothing about grub; I now know marginally more. > > As it was working successfully, it was decided to build a new box for it. > The hard drive was imaged with Ghost Corporate 8.x and restored onto the > new drive. There are some known issues with 8.x and grub > > The grub screen comes up on booting the new box, but when selecting the > (one) entry for RH9, after a short pause it comes back to the grub > screen. I read the grub manual, and from the grub screen did c-command, > then > > root (hd0,0) > setup (hd0) > quit > > The messages after setup did not look like error messages. The behavior > is the same, although I see a message about stage 1.5 flicker by. > I figured out how to look at the hard drive with Knoppix 3.8.2 Live CD > and the partitions and contents look "ok", so it appears to just be a > boot issue. > > How do I resolve this? What additional information do you need? Is there > a better way to clone Linux drive -> Linux drive? > > Dick > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Here's what I use for boot commands in GRUB on my system. Its SuSE, but I don't think it should make a difference. root (hd0,0)/vmlinuz <boot parameters> initrd (hd0,0)/initrd - From a GRUB command line, make sure (by using the TAB key) that (hd0,0) is a legitimate partition, and that it can find /vmlinuz (or whatever kernel image you are using). If you need initrd, you can use the same trick with the TAB key to get a poor man's directory listing. After you enter those lines, or edit the existing lines to make them look as above, boot it and you should at least get the kernel to start. You may need to specify "root=/dev/xxx" as one of the boot parameters on the "root" command. If you get a panic when it tries to mount root, it is either because you didn't specify "root=/dev/xxx", or because the code for the root device isn't present in the kernel (for example, a SCSI driver or a reiserfs module, as appropriate). I hope root isn't part of LVM...that's a can of worms you should avoid, but I digress. I hope this helps, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDlnkCHl0iXDssISsRAuiaAJ0ZhX3Il4sFM2Yt2cCG1IQBZMy11wCfZIcn bPoThROtkjrTtXGgaHq2Vms= =J3lU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Dec. 7, 2005

Grub problems after imaging drive

by Dick Goodman

I recently configured a RedHat 9 system with OpenVPN . The original configuration was done on an old junk box. This is a single boot w/grub system As of last week I knew nothing about grub; I now know marginally more. As it was working successfully, it was decided to build a new box for it. The hard drive was imaged with Ghost Corporate 8.x and restored onto the new drive. There are some known issues with 8.x and grub The grub screen comes up on booting the new box, but when selecting the (one) entry for RH9, after a short pause it comes back to the grub screen. I read the grub manual, and from the grub screen did c-command, then root (hd0,0) setup (hd0) quit The messages after setup did not look like error messages. The behavior is the same, although I see a message about stage 1.5 flicker by. I figured out how to look at the hard drive with Knoppix 3.8.2 Live CD and the partitions and contents look "ok", so it appears to just be a boot issue. How do I resolve this? What additional information do you need? Is there a better way to clone Linux drive -> Linux drive? Dick

Dec. 7, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SSH without passwords

by Mike Leo

Just for the record, i did not have to make any changes from the default sshd_config file to get this to work. --- Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > Make sure public key auth is enabled on the client > and server: > > /etc/ssh/sshd_config: > > RSAAuthentication yes > PubkeyAuthentication yes > AuthorizedKeysFile .ssh/authorized_keys > > /etc/ssh/ssh_config: > > Host * > RSAAuthentication yes > PubkeyAuthentication yes > > (these are defaults, and so they are commented out > in my files) > > SSH version 1 uses RSAAuthentication, SSH version 2 > uses > PubkeyAuthentication. > > Make sure the perms on the directories and files are > tight enough > (sshd checks): > > chmod 700 ~/.ssh > chmod 600 ~/.ssh/* > > > Finally, are both the server/client the same > implementation of SSH? > SSH.COM uses slightly different formats than OpenSSH > for the public > keys. ssh-keygen can convert between the formats. > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 01:27:54PM -0800, Mike Leo > wrote: > > i do exactly that, yet it still prompts me for a > > password when ssh'ing. > > > > thoughts? > > > > --- Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 12:37:19PM -0800, Mike > Leo > > > wrote: > > > > Basically we are ssh-keygen -t (dsa/rsa) the > keys, > > > > copy them to the "remote" servers ~/.ssh/ > > > > > > what are you copying ? for example, i create my > dsa > > > keys: > > > ~/.ssh/id_dsa ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub > > > then i export my pub key to the remote server: > > > $ scp ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub remotebox:~/ > > > $ ssh remotebox # <- enter my pw > > > $ cat ~/id_dsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys > > > $ rm ~/id_dsa.pub > > > $ logout > > > $ ssh remotebox # <- no pw needed > > > > > > > There are conflicting doc's at this > point...some > > > say > > > > you need an ssh-agent, some don't mention it. > > > Some > > > > use passphrases, some don't. But if i have to > > > enter > > > > an ssh passphrase everytime, why not just use > the > > > > account password? > > > > > > passphrases are not required, but many people > like > > > to use them > > > > > > ssh-agent allows you to cache the passphrase for > a > > > certain amount > > > of time, thus finding some ground between the > > > 'always use pw' and the > > > 'never use pw' ground of authentication > > > -mike > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- > Chuck R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / > http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 > A0F9 49BB 5886 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 1, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SSH without passwords

by Mike Leo

YAAHAHAHAHAHAA!!! Accurate Oracle documents??!?!? HAHHAHAHAAHA --- Jared Greenwald <greenwaldjared(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Oh yea, I forgot that. That one bit me the first 10 > times I did > this... Strange, though that if this is a RAC > requirement it wouldn't > be outlined in the RAC docs... > > -Jared > > On 11/30/05, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > I got it!! > > > > weird, but i had to change the permissions on the > auth > > file to 640, and then it worked. > > > > Weird is that with less restrictive permissions > (644) > > it failed, but more secure works. > > > > Anyway, thanks for the feedback! > > > > --- Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 12:37:19PM -0800, Mike > Leo > > > wrote: > > > > Basically we are ssh-keygen -t (dsa/rsa) the > keys, > > > > copy them to the "remote" servers ~/.ssh/ > > > > > > what are you copying ? for example, i create my > dsa > > > keys: > > > ~/.ssh/id_dsa ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub > > > then i export my pub key to the remote server: > > > $ scp ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub remotebox:~/ > > > $ ssh remotebox # <- enter my pw > > > $ cat ~/id_dsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys > > > $ rm ~/id_dsa.pub > > > $ logout > > > $ ssh remotebox # <- no pw needed > > > > > > > There are conflicting doc's at this > point...some > > > say > > > > you need an ssh-agent, some don't mention it. > > > Some > > > > use passphrases, some don't. But if i have to > > > enter > > > > an ssh passphrase everytime, why not just use > the > > > > account password? > > > > > > passphrases are not required, but many people > like > > > to use them > > > > > > ssh-agent allows you to cache the passphrase for > a > > > certain amount > > > of time, thus finding some ground between the > > > 'always use pw' and the > > > 'never use pw' ground of authentication > > > -mike > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 1, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SSH without passwords

by Chuck Anderson

I usually create service-specific unpriviliged accounts with their own SSH keys with no passphrases for this purpose. If there are many services/users that need to log in between the boxes, and you don't mind the boxes trusting each other completely, you can use HostBasedAuthentication, which is sort of like rhosts, but with SSH Public Key authentication. Then any user can SSH between boxes that are in /etc/ssh/shosts.equiv with no password, and no user-specific key/passphrase required. On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 01:38:42PM -0800, Mike Leo wrote: > that was all good info...thanks. > > We need to ssh via a service so we can't use a > username/password scheme, and, well, it should work!! > > also, oracle requires this ability to setup their > Oracle RAC database, to/from each node in the cluster.

Dec. 1, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SSH without passwords

by Jared Greenwald

Oh yea, I forgot that. That one bit me the first 10 times I did this... Strange, though that if this is a RAC requirement it wouldn't be outlined in the RAC docs... -Jared On 11/30/05, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I got it!! > > weird, but i had to change the permissions on the auth > file to 640, and then it worked. > > Weird is that with less restrictive permissions (644) > it failed, but more secure works. > > Anyway, thanks for the feedback! > > --- Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 12:37:19PM -0800, Mike Leo > > wrote: > > > Basically we are ssh-keygen -t (dsa/rsa) the keys, > > > copy them to the "remote" servers ~/.ssh/ > > > > what are you copying ? for example, i create my dsa > > keys: > > ~/.ssh/id_dsa ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub > > then i export my pub key to the remote server: > > $ scp ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub remotebox:~/ > > $ ssh remotebox # <- enter my pw > > $ cat ~/id_dsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys > > $ rm ~/id_dsa.pub > > $ logout > > $ ssh remotebox # <- no pw needed > > > > > There are conflicting doc's at this point...some > > say > > > you need an ssh-agent, some don't mention it. > > Some > > > use passphrases, some don't. But if i have to > > enter > > > an ssh passphrase everytime, why not just use the > > > account password? > > > > passphrases are not required, but many people like > > to use them > > > > ssh-agent allows you to cache the passphrase for a > > certain amount > > of time, thus finding some ground between the > > 'always use pw' and the > > 'never use pw' ground of authentication > > -mike > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SSH without passwords

by Mike Leo

I got it!! weird, but i had to change the permissions on the auth file to 640, and then it worked. Weird is that with less restrictive permissions (644) it failed, but more secure works. Anyway, thanks for the feedback! --- Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 12:37:19PM -0800, Mike Leo > wrote: > > Basically we are ssh-keygen -t (dsa/rsa) the keys, > > copy them to the "remote" servers ~/.ssh/ > > what are you copying ? for example, i create my dsa > keys: > ~/.ssh/id_dsa ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub > then i export my pub key to the remote server: > $ scp ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub remotebox:~/ > $ ssh remotebox # <- enter my pw > $ cat ~/id_dsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys > $ rm ~/id_dsa.pub > $ logout > $ ssh remotebox # <- no pw needed > > > There are conflicting doc's at this point...some > say > > you need an ssh-agent, some don't mention it. > Some > > use passphrases, some don't. But if i have to > enter > > an ssh passphrase everytime, why not just use the > > account password? > > passphrases are not required, but many people like > to use them > > ssh-agent allows you to cache the passphrase for a > certain amount > of time, thus finding some ground between the > 'always use pw' and the > 'never use pw' ground of authentication > -mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SSH without passwords

by Chuck Anderson

Make sure public key auth is enabled on the client and server: /etc/ssh/sshd_config: RSAAuthentication yes PubkeyAuthentication yes AuthorizedKeysFile .ssh/authorized_keys /etc/ssh/ssh_config: Host * RSAAuthentication yes PubkeyAuthentication yes (these are defaults, and so they are commented out in my files) SSH version 1 uses RSAAuthentication, SSH version 2 uses PubkeyAuthentication. Make sure the perms on the directories and files are tight enough (sshd checks): chmod 700 ~/.ssh chmod 600 ~/.ssh/* Finally, are both the server/client the same implementation of SSH? SSH.COM uses slightly different formats than OpenSSH for the public keys. ssh-keygen can convert between the formats. On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 01:27:54PM -0800, Mike Leo wrote: > i do exactly that, yet it still prompts me for a > password when ssh'ing. > > thoughts? > > --- Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 12:37:19PM -0800, Mike Leo > > wrote: > > > Basically we are ssh-keygen -t (dsa/rsa) the keys, > > > copy them to the "remote" servers ~/.ssh/ > > > > what are you copying ? for example, i create my dsa > > keys: > > ~/.ssh/id_dsa ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub > > then i export my pub key to the remote server: > > $ scp ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub remotebox:~/ > > $ ssh remotebox # <- enter my pw > > $ cat ~/id_dsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys > > $ rm ~/id_dsa.pub > > $ logout > > $ ssh remotebox # <- no pw needed > > > > > There are conflicting doc's at this point...some > > say > > > you need an ssh-agent, some don't mention it. > > Some > > > use passphrases, some don't. But if i have to > > enter > > > an ssh passphrase everytime, why not just use the > > > account password? > > > > passphrases are not required, but many people like > > to use them > > > > ssh-agent allows you to cache the passphrase for a > > certain amount > > of time, thus finding some ground between the > > 'always use pw' and the > > 'never use pw' ground of authentication > > -mike > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Chuck R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Nov. 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SSH without passwords

by Mike Leo

that was all good info...thanks. We need to ssh via a service so we can't use a username/password scheme, and, well, it should work!! also, oracle requires this ability to setup their Oracle RAC database, to/from each node in the cluster. --- Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 12:37:19PM -0800, Mike Leo > wrote: > > There are conflicting doc's at this point...some > say > > you need an ssh-agent, some don't mention it. > Some > > use passphrases, some don't. But if i have to > enter > > an ssh passphrase everytime, why not just use the > > account password? > > > Passwords get sent tunneled through the encrypted > SSH connection. A > trojaned ssh server could steal your password. > Passphrases and > private keys are never sent anywhere outside of your > box (unless you > want them to). > > If an account password gets compromised, you may > have to change it on > many boxes, and it may be shared with other > unrelated accounts > elsewhere. If a passphrase gets compromised, it > doesn't allow anyone > to do anything without your private key file--you > need both the > private key and the passphrase. > > You can share your passphrase for many different > private keys, but > still have different passwords on unrelated remote > systems. > > You can cache the passphrase in the memory of your > local box > (ssh-agent) so you don't need to enter anything to > ssh to remote > boxes. > > Using a private key with a blank passphrase means > someone could steal > your private key file and use it to log in as you. > This weakens the > requirement for having to steal both the private key > and the > passphrase. Since the private key sits on disk for > a long time, > someone down the road could steal it and you may > never know. This is > even worse if you use a network filesystem for your > home directory. > The passphrase encrypts your private key. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SSH without passwords

by Mike Leo

i do exactly that, yet it still prompts me for a password when ssh'ing. thoughts? --- Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 12:37:19PM -0800, Mike Leo > wrote: > > Basically we are ssh-keygen -t (dsa/rsa) the keys, > > copy them to the "remote" servers ~/.ssh/ > > what are you copying ? for example, i create my dsa > keys: > ~/.ssh/id_dsa ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub > then i export my pub key to the remote server: > $ scp ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub remotebox:~/ > $ ssh remotebox # <- enter my pw > $ cat ~/id_dsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys > $ rm ~/id_dsa.pub > $ logout > $ ssh remotebox # <- no pw needed > > > There are conflicting doc's at this point...some > say > > you need an ssh-agent, some don't mention it. > Some > > use passphrases, some don't. But if i have to > enter > > an ssh passphrase everytime, why not just use the > > account password? > > passphrases are not required, but many people like > to use them > > ssh-agent allows you to cache the passphrase for a > certain amount > of time, thus finding some ground between the > 'always use pw' and the > 'never use pw' ground of authentication > -mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SSH without passwords

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 12:37:19PM -0800, Mike Leo wrote: > There are conflicting doc's at this point...some say > you need an ssh-agent, some don't mention it. Some > use passphrases, some don't. But if i have to enter > an ssh passphrase everytime, why not just use the > account password? Passwords get sent tunneled through the encrypted SSH connection. A trojaned ssh server could steal your password. Passphrases and private keys are never sent anywhere outside of your box (unless you want them to). If an account password gets compromised, you may have to change it on many boxes, and it may be shared with other unrelated accounts elsewhere. If a passphrase gets compromised, it doesn't allow anyone to do anything without your private key file--you need both the private key and the passphrase. You can share your passphrase for many different private keys, but still have different passwords on unrelated remote systems. You can cache the passphrase in the memory of your local box (ssh-agent) so you don't need to enter anything to ssh to remote boxes. Using a private key with a blank passphrase means someone could steal your private key file and use it to log in as you. This weakens the requirement for having to steal both the private key and the passphrase. Since the private key sits on disk for a long time, someone down the road could steal it and you may never know. This is even worse if you use a network filesystem for your home directory. The passphrase encrypts your private key.

Nov. 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SSH without passwords

by Jared Greenwald

I've used this setup in the past... http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~mbonati/WIRC/manual/DATARED/setting_up_no-pas… On 11/30/05, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I remember someone talking about sharing keys between > systems so you can ssh around at will without needing > the password.... > > we are trying to do this, but are having a hard time. > Anyone have a good doc (or willing to write one) about > how to do this? > > Basically we are ssh-keygen -t (dsa/rsa) the keys, > copy them to the "remote" servers ~/.ssh/ > > There are conflicting doc's at this point...some say > you need an ssh-agent, some don't mention it. Some > use passphrases, some don't. But if i have to enter > an ssh passphrase everytime, why not just use the > account password? > > Any advise would be helpful... > > thanks as always.. > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SSH without passwords

by Mike Frysinger

On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 12:37:19PM -0800, Mike Leo wrote: > Basically we are ssh-keygen -t (dsa/rsa) the keys, > copy them to the "remote" servers ~/.ssh/ what are you copying ? for example, i create my dsa keys: ~/.ssh/id_dsa ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub then i export my pub key to the remote server: $ scp ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub remotebox:~/ $ ssh remotebox # <- enter my pw $ cat ~/id_dsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys $ rm ~/id_dsa.pub $ logout $ ssh remotebox # <- no pw needed > There are conflicting doc's at this point...some say > you need an ssh-agent, some don't mention it. Some > use passphrases, some don't. But if i have to enter > an ssh passphrase everytime, why not just use the > account password? passphrases are not required, but many people like to use them ssh-agent allows you to cache the passphrase for a certain amount of time, thus finding some ground between the 'always use pw' and the 'never use pw' ground of authentication -mike

Nov. 30, 2005

SSH without passwords

by Mike Leo

I remember someone talking about sharing keys between systems so you can ssh around at will without needing the password.... we are trying to do this, but are having a hard time. Anyone have a good doc (or willing to write one) about how to do this? Basically we are ssh-keygen -t (dsa/rsa) the keys, copy them to the "remote" servers ~/.ssh/ There are conflicting doc's at this point...some say you need an ssh-agent, some don't mention it. Some use passphrases, some don't. But if i have to enter an ssh passphrase everytime, why not just use the account password? Any advise would be helpful... thanks as always.. Mike

Nov. 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SAMBA My Documents Redirection and Offile Available with out Roaming Profiles

by Matt Higgins

The redirection part is quite easy, the problem I'm having is making it available offline. This happens automatically in winXP with a roaming profile where all the profile data is offline. This policy can be applied to just the My Documents folder in 2k server and 2k3 server. On 11/28/05, Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> wrote: > That is pretty easy to find your self. run regedit. Search for key value > of "My Documents" And you will find the value that is by default set to > c:/user data/My Documents or something like that. I don't have a Micro$haft > machine near me right now, or i would search for the value and tell you. ;-) > > > I just did a quick google search and found some examples: > http://www.linbox.com/ucome.rvt/any/doc_distrib/samba-2.0.9/pdc/profiles.ht… > http://www.sfu.ca/ad/logon_scripts.html > http://www.rethinkit.com/ntscript/LogonScript.htm > http://www.experts-exchange.com/Programming/Programming_Platforms/Q_2150380… > > Matt Higgins wrote: > > I have a logon drive of H: where there home dir is shared and mounted > > at login. This may be a stretch, but do you know the reg keys? or a > > place I can look for the keys? to make this off line and point the My > > Documents folder to it? I can do this by hand (right click My > > Documents -> set target.) but it would be nice to have a logon scripts > > that makes these changes for me for all systems. > > > > On 11/27/05, Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> wrote: > > > >>Matt Higgins wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Is it possible to disable roaming profiles and then redirect the My > >>>Documents folder to a share and make it available off line? This is > >>>common behavior for a win2k3 server. > >> > >>This I have done. Give each user a home dir that mounts at login for > >>example H: drive. Put the MyDocuments in H: And you can make all of > >>H: Available offline for a laptop that is not always connected. > >> > >> > >>-- > >> > >>-- > >>Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > >>Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto jabber.org=karl_hiramoto > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Wlug mailing list > >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > -- > > --- > Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto GTalk=karl.hiramoto(a)gmail.com > ------ > - > If you live long enough, you'll see that every victory turns into a defeat. > -- Simone de Beauvoir > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 28, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SAMBA My Documents Redirection and Offile Available with out Roaming Profiles

by Karl Hiramoto

That is pretty easy to find your self. run regedit. Search for key value of "My Documents" And you will find the value that is by default set to c:/user data/My Documents or something like that. I don't have a Micro$haft machine near me right now, or i would search for the value and tell you. ;-) I just did a quick google search and found some examples: http://www.linbox.com/ucome.rvt/any/doc_distrib/samba-2.0.9/pdc/profiles.ht… http://www.sfu.ca/ad/logon_scripts.html http://www.rethinkit.com/ntscript/LogonScript.htm http://www.experts-exchange.com/Programming/Programming_Platforms/Q_2150380… Matt Higgins wrote: > I have a logon drive of H: where there home dir is shared and mounted > at login. This may be a stretch, but do you know the reg keys? or a > place I can look for the keys? to make this off line and point the My > Documents folder to it? I can do this by hand (right click My > Documents -> set target.) but it would be nice to have a logon scripts > that makes these changes for me for all systems. > > On 11/27/05, Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> wrote: > >>Matt Higgins wrote: >> >> >>>Is it possible to disable roaming profiles and then redirect the My >>>Documents folder to a share and make it available off line? This is >>>common behavior for a win2k3 server. >> >>This I have done. Give each user a home dir that mounts at login for >>example H: drive. Put the MyDocuments in H: And you can make all of >>H: Available offline for a laptop that is not always connected. >> >> >>-- >> >>-- >>Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> >>Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto jabber.org=karl_hiramoto >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- --- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto GTalk=karl.hiramoto(a)gmail.com ------ - If you live long enough, you'll see that every victory turns into a defeat. -- Simone de Beauvoir

Nov. 28, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SAMBA My Documents Redirection and Offile Available with out Roaming Profiles

by Matt Higgins

I have a logon drive of H: where there home dir is shared and mounted at login. This may be a stretch, but do you know the reg keys? or a place I can look for the keys? to make this off line and point the My Documents folder to it? I can do this by hand (right click My Documents -> set target.) but it would be nice to have a logon scripts that makes these changes for me for all systems. On 11/27/05, Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> wrote: > Matt Higgins wrote: > > >Is it possible to disable roaming profiles and then redirect the My > >Documents folder to a share and make it available off line? This is > >common behavior for a win2k3 server. > > This I have done. Give each user a home dir that mounts at login for > example H: drive. Put the MyDocuments in H: And you can make all of > H: Available offline for a laptop that is not always connected. > > > -- > > -- > Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > US VOIP: (+1) 603.966.4448 > Spain Casa (+34) 951.273.347 > Spain Mobil (+34) 617.463.826 > Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto jabber.org=karl_hiramoto > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 28, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SAMBA My Documents Redirection and Offile Available with out Roaming Profiles

by Karl Hiramoto

Matt Higgins wrote: >Is it possible to disable roaming profiles and then redirect the My >Documents folder to a share and make it available off line? This is >common behavior for a win2k3 server. This I have done. Give each user a home dir that mounts at login for example H: drive. Put the MyDocuments in H: And you can make all of H: Available offline for a laptop that is not always connected. -- -- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> US VOIP: (+1) 603.966.4448 Spain Casa (+34) 951.273.347 Spain Mobil (+34) 617.463.826 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto jabber.org=karl_hiramoto

Nov. 27, 2005

SAMBA My Documents Redirection and Offile Available with out Roaming Profiles

by Matt Higgins

Here is some back ground before the question: I'm currently running a SAMBA PDC 3.0.10 on FC3. Samba is backed by an LDAP server for account information ldapsam. User accounts were created with smb-ldap tools from IDEALX. I have fixed these scripts up a bit so they also add ldap attributes for OpenExchange. The PDC has a netlogon share with a nice Default Profile for users. Roaming profiles is turned on and all profile data is replicated to the server. All the clients are windows XP Pro. The problem is the profiles are quite large and we don't have the space to support many more users. We also have quite a few remote sites were replicating an entire profile is not practical. I have found that the most important data is in My Documents. Mail is stored on the IMAP server and contact and calendar in OpenExchange. I have read many howtos including nearly the entire Official Samba Howto. All of these documents describe folder redirection with respect to roaming profiles. I have also not found any documents that address the issue of making a redirected folder available off line such as the My Documents folder. I have looked at excluding Folders from the Roaming Profile so only the Personal folder a.k.a My Documents is "roamed" but that looks like a hack. Is it possible to disable roaming profiles and still distribute my nice Default User profile from netlogon? I am fairly sure this is possible just have not tried. Is it possible to disable roaming profiles and then redirect the My Documents folder to a share and make it available off line? This is common behavior for a win2k3 server. Is anyone doing this in production and can give me some pointers or point me to some documentation? Could these settings be made with .pol file or with a bat script running at logon? My I deal scenario is this. User logs in for the 1st time the Default User profile is loaded from the PDC, the My Documents folder is redirected to a share on the server, say there home dir, and that folder is available off line. -Matt

Nov. 27, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Allowing users to start or stop a service

by Mike Leo

Thanks for the feed back...I will continue down the sudo path. --- John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Mike> We have a set of users who need the power to > Mike> stop/start their own particular > service/daemon. > > Mike> I've tried granting user rights directly to > the init > Mike> script, but that doesn't work. > > Nope, this won't work at all. > > Mike> I am looking into sudo, but am not sure it can > be specific to > Mike> only 1 service, and not all of them? > > sudo will do exactly what you want, but you also > need to be careful > that the user(s) can't run arbitrary program from > with sudo or the > script(s) they are allowed to run. > > For example: > > sudo vi /path/to/file > > is just a gaping security hole, since the user can > now either push to > to a sub-shell from within vi, or edit another file. > Go see the docs > and such on: http://www.courtesan.com/sudo/ and I > really recommend > that you go with this tool. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 27, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Allowing users to start or stop a service

by John Stoffel

Mike> We have a set of users who need the power to Mike> stop/start their own particular service/daemon. Mike> I've tried granting user rights directly to the init Mike> script, but that doesn't work. Nope, this won't work at all. Mike> I am looking into sudo, but am not sure it can be specific to Mike> only 1 service, and not all of them? sudo will do exactly what you want, but you also need to be careful that the user(s) can't run arbitrary program from with sudo or the script(s) they are allowed to run. For example: sudo vi /path/to/file is just a gaping security hole, since the user can now either push to to a sub-shell from within vi, or edit another file. Go see the docs and such on: http://www.courtesan.com/sudo/ and I really recommend that you go with this tool. John

Nov. 27, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Unknown binary file

by Michael Long

> # rpm -qf /usr/bin/[ > coreutils-5.3.0-10 > > I believe this is the equivalent of the 'test' command that you use as > part of shell scripting. i.e.: > > if [ "$flying_pigs" = "yes" ]; then > echo "I'm dreaming" > fi > Thanks, I will remember the rpm -qf <file_name> from now on.

Nov. 26, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Unknown binary file

by Adam Keck

Hello Mike, My understanding is that it is a hard link to the 'test' binary for use in shell scripts: if [ -f /etc/group ] ; then .... -Adam On Nov 25, 2005, at 10:48 AM, Michael Long wrote: > Hi all, > > As I was looking through my /usr/bin directory I came across a binary > file "[". What is this? I am running Suse 9.3. > > Thanks, > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 25, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Unknown binary file

by Brett Russ

On 11/25/05, Michael Long <mlong(a)datalong.com> wrote: > As I was looking through my /usr/bin directory I came across a binary > file "[". What is this? I am running Suse 9.3. # rpm -qf /usr/bin/[ coreutils-5.3.0-10 I believe this is the equivalent of the 'test' command that you use as part of shell scripting. i.e.: if [ "$flying_pigs" = "yes" ]; then echo "I'm dreaming" fi BR

Nov. 25, 2005

Unknown binary file

by Michael Long

Hi all, As I was looking through my /usr/bin directory I came across a binary file "[". What is this? I am running Suse 9.3. Thanks, Mike

Nov. 25, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Allowing users to start or stop a service

by Andrew Mellors

Yeah you can limit a sudoer execution to one script or program. This has the added benefit of being rather extensible, just by modifiying the sudoers file Happy T-day -Andy On 11/24/05, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Greetings and happy thanksgiving to all! > > Now, down to business... > > We have a set of users who need the power to > stop/start their own particular service/daemon. > > I've tried granting user rights directly to the init > script, but that doesn't work. > > I am looking into sudo, but am not sure it can be > specific to only 1 service, and not all of them? > > let me know what ya'll think and THANKS! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- -Andy

Nov. 25, 2005

Allowing users to start or stop a service

by Mike Leo

Greetings and happy thanksgiving to all! Now, down to business... We have a set of users who need the power to stop/start their own particular service/daemon. I've tried granting user rights directly to the init script, but that doesn't work. I am looking into sudo, but am not sure it can be specific to only 1 service, and not all of them? let me know what ya'll think and THANKS!

Nov. 25, 2005

OPENING - Sr/Prin Linux Drivers Eng

by John Spencer

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Nov. 21, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Is the list down?

by Jared Greenwald

nope On 11/17/05, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Test of the list, is it down for good? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 18, 2005

Is the list down?

by John Stoffel

Test of the list, is it down for good?

Nov. 17, 2005

Job opportunity at Red Hat in Westford, MA

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I was asked to forward this to the group by a representative from Red Hat. Please consult this URL if you have any interest in this position. Interested candidates can apply directly online. http://redhat.hrdpt.com/cgi-bin/a/highlightjob.cgi?jobid=665 === Brief Description: Quality Assurance Engineer Test a variety of software packages in our Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) distribution before they are distributed to customers. Responsibilities: * Test individual bug fixes and security updates to a wide variety of RHEL software packages in a fast paced environment. * Develop test cases and test plans for areas of ownership. * Write automated test cases. * Debug software problems and unresolved bugs. * Configure and install Red Hat Enterprise Linux. ...see the website for more info! === - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDe97vHl0iXDssISsRAmR5AJ9WF9hxeAVNxLdXFDBJRfXlkb/x6gCcDojV 2kYh2IO0aUUNlF4Y1JdNLQc= =I6Dr -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Nov. 17, 2005

[Fwd: NOV 2005 User Group update from Publisher Addison-Wesley/Prentice Hall--- BOOKS UPDATE]

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI gang, This is the organization that donates books for us to review, and that you have been receiving during the raffles at the group meetings. Please note the 35% off offer if you order on one of their websites. Also, please note the URL for posting your book reviews. Later, Andy - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: NOV 2005 User Group update from Publisher Addison-Wesley/Prentice Hall--- BOOKS UPDATE Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 13:34:26 -0500 From: Fox, Heather <Heather_Fox(a)prenhall.com> To: Fox, Heather <Heather_Fox(a)prenhall.com> Hello Esteemed LUG Leaders! *_NEWSFLASH!_**_ _* *_2005 _**_YEAR-END COUPON DISCOUNT Offer for Your Members!_* *__* Be sure your members are receiving 35% off list price when they purchase books directly from the Addison-Wesley/ Prentice Hall/IBM Press websites! Visit: *_www.awprofessional.com_ *or *_www.phptr.com_* * or www.ibmpressbooks.com <http://www.ibmpressbooks.com> * Select the book(s) of your choice and enter COUPON CODE "*usergroup*" at Checkout Step #3 (Payment Method) -- OFFER EXPIRES 12/31/05 - -- PLEASE NOTE--- If you'd like to receive a PDF version of this coupon flyer, to distribute to your members and/or if you'd like the Publisher to ship you flyer copies for distribution at your YEAR-END meetings, please let me know! *_LATEST BOOK SHIPMENT FOR YOUR LUG!_**_ --- NOVEMBER, 2005_* Your November, 2005 books shipment from Publisher Addison-Wesley/Prentice Hall/IBM PRESS include these titles: 1) */"/**/Apache Derby -- Off to the Races: Includes Details of IBM Cloudscape", /*authored by Paul Zikopoulos, Dan Scott, and George Baklarz; www.ibmpressbooks.com/title/0131855255 <http://www.ibmpressbooks.com/title/0131855255> *Book Summary: Master Apache Derby: the only open source, pure Java(tm), fully transactional, small-footprint RDBMS* 2) */Linux® Debugging and Performance Tuning: Tips and Techniques/*, authored by Steve Best; www.phptr.com/title/0131492470 <http://www.phptr.com/title/0131492470> ((part of the new Prentice Hall Open Source Software Development Series, including the new book, "The Linux Kernel Primer: A Top-Down Approach for x86 and PowerPC Architectures", authored by Claudia Salzberg Rodriguez, Gordon Fischer, and Steven Smolski)) *Book Summary: Learn Linux debugging and optimization-at kernel and application levels-hands-on!* To read the full version of the press release announcing the new Prentice Hall OSS Development Series, read the press release here at Linux Weekly Net: http://lwn.net/Articles/156911/ BONUS BOOK--- YOU NEED TO TELL ME IF YOU WANT TO RECEIVE A REVIEW COPY OF THIS BOOK: *** November Bonus Book: */Service-Oriented Architecture Compass: Business Value, Planning, and Enterprise Roadmap/*, authored by Norbert Bieberstein, Sanjay Bose, Marc Fiammante, Keith Jones, and Rawn Shah www.ibmpressbooks.com/title/0131870025 <http://www.ibmpressbooks.com/title/0131870025> *Book Summary: Maximize the business value and flexibility of your SOA deployment* _COMING DOWN THE PIKE......_ NEXT UP! IN DECEMBER, 2005---- Your group will receive a review copy of */Point & Click OpenOffice.org, /*authored by Robin "Roblimo" Miller *Book Summary:* *OpenOffice.org 2.0 made easy... /incredibly easy!/* http://www.phptr.com/title/0131879928 REVIEWS, REVIEWS Please encourage your LUG members to support their favorite books by submitting reviews of these November books-- or for any other books from previous mailings ((it's never too late!!))-- directly online at: www.awprofessional.com/review <http://www.awprofessional.com/review> OR www.phptr.com/review <http://www.phptr.com/review> OR www.ibmpressbooks.com/review <http://www.ibmpressbooks.com/review> <http://www.phptr.com/title/0131492470> _And/or, if your group hosts reviews on its own site or includes in your own listserv/newsletter, please send me the links! :}_ Addison-Wesley/Prentice Hall/IBM Press is glad to be working with your User Group! Heather Fox ************************* Heather L. Fox,* *Senior Publicist & User Group Liaison * Addison-Wesley/Prentice Hall PTR & IBM Press* (phone) 201.236.7139; (FAX); 201.236.7123 heather.fox(a)pearsoned.com www.awprofessional.com; www.phptr.com *Street Address: ** *c/o Pearson Education, 1 Lake St., #3K17, Upper Saddle River, NJ, 07458 USA ****************************************************************************** *This email may contain confidential material.* *If you were not an intended recipient, * *please notify the sender and delete all copies.* *We may monitor email to and from our network.* ****************************************************************************** - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDa+h1Hl0iXDssISsRAoYxAJ48UFuT3WoZhbBekKDbT7AX52poTQCeMgnV Sc38aqQMaE1VEkolCquIaQI= =uORW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Nov. 4, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Printing Photos - cropping in gimp 2.0

by John Stoffel

Hi All, this is followup to my original question posted way back in late September of 2004 about printing photos from Linux and finding a good tool crop photos. Gimp is good, gimp is great. It (version 2.2 lately) still sucks for locking down the aspect ratio and scaling the picture up/down to fit on the paper the way you like. But I did find a neat new piece of software, which isn't perfect, but does a pretty good job: photoprint-0.3.0 http://www.blackfiveservices.co.uk/PhotoPrint/About.shtml The other trick was that I went back to using 4x6 as my paper choice, not "Epson 4x6 Photo Paper", since I could *never* get gimp-print to work properly with it. All in all, it's been a bit frustrating trying to find a tool to allow me to crop photos and print them easily to the printer. John >>>>>> "Andy" == Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> writes: Andy> I believe that the gimp-print plugin will do what you want. It Andy> should be accessible via the File...Print menu from Gimp. It Andy> shows a rather rough thumbnail image within boarders to give you Andy> a feel for where the image will be printed. Robert> I've been using this and I think it sucks. Mostly because the Robert> images are considered to be at a maximum scale when you goto the Robert> plugin, which makes it hard to scale up or down to crop it nicely. Robert> But I have to say, I'm still very happy it is there, since it's let Robert> me print some nice pictures on my Epson printer. Robert> The basic problem here is that the Print plugin isn't designed to crop Robert> at all. That's what we need to do with it. Robert> -- Robert> Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Robert> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Robert> Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Robert> Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net Robert> "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." Robert> --Eric Crampton Robert> _______________________________________________ Robert> Wlug mailing list Robert> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Robert> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 4, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Heavy load app for linux

by John Stoffel

For a heavy load, I always like building a kernel with 'make -j bzImage modules' and watching it thrash like crazy. Make sure you have a big swap file as well. You'll really work the system.

Nov. 4, 2005

Re: [Wlug] code review / process flow tool?

by Karl Hiramoto

I recently started using Trac http://www.edgewall.com/trac/ with a subversion code repository. Not sure if it meets your needs, or if you can adapt to work with it. Bill Mills-Curran wrote: >My org at work would like to adopt some software tools to manage the >code review/approval work cycle. A web-based interface is our first >choice. We have both linux and windows web servers available. > >Any recommendations for existing tools? (We could write our own, but >that seems like a waste of time.) > >Thanks, >Bill >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > -- -- Karl Hiramoto karl(a)accusense.com Design Engineer www.accusense.com 978-425-2090

Nov. 4, 2005

Re: [Wlug] code review / process flow tool?

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding [Wlug] code review / process flow tool?; Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> adds: bill> My org at work would like to adopt some software tools to manage the bill> code review/approval work cycle. A web-based interface is our first bill> choice. We have both linux and windows web servers available. bill> Any recommendations for existing tools? (We could write our own, but bill> that seems like a waste of time.) http://ozlabs.org/~jk/projects/patchwork/ I'm not sure if that does exactly what you want, but it's worth looking into. -Jeff

Nov. 4, 2005

code review / process flow tool?

by Bill Mills-Curran

My org at work would like to adopt some software tools to manage the code review/approval work cycle. A web-based interface is our first choice. We have both linux and windows web servers available. Any recommendations for existing tools? (We could write our own, but that seems like a waste of time.) Thanks, Bill

Nov. 4, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Heavy load app for linux

by Mike Frysinger

On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 09:57:16PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > cpuburn yep, cpuburn is a good one: http://pages.sbcglobal.net/redelm/ > compiling a kernel this works ... or build a large C++ package, something like monotone or doxygen ... if it works, build it again but this time use like `make -j6` and CXXFLAGS="-pipe" > memtest there's a userspacer one that works OK: http://pyropus.ca/software/memtester/ and then the bootable memtest86+ ive had a lot of success with: http://www.memtest.org/ -mike

Nov. 4, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Heavy load app for linux

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Leo wrote: > Anyone have a app that would put a heavy load on cpu > and memory for burn in/testing for linux? > > I have one called "heavy load" for windows that pushes > cpu/memory/disk drives as hard as they will go. > > We just had an odd server issue and HP replaced random > parts till it went away. Before using it, i would > like to run it through some tests. > > thanks > mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > HI Mike, Here are a few ideas that I have used. High load apps: setiathome mprime cpuburn compiling a kernel If you had N copies of the kernel source files in N different directories, you could run N simultaneous compiles that would not interfere with one another and really crank up the load. Testing memory: memtest Just some thoughts....... Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDas4MHl0iXDssISsRAlVbAJ0TDRlcWKBvHx2Q0bDBUxe9CMnT9QCeN8pe ImtnjpCD25p3iXt/QwnMUGE= =lOlN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Nov. 4, 2005

Heavy load app for linux

by Mike Leo

Anyone have a app that would put a heavy load on cpu and memory for burn in/testing for linux? I have one called "heavy load" for windows that pushes cpu/memory/disk drives as hard as they will go. We just had an odd server issue and HP replaced random parts till it went away. Before using it, i would like to run it through some tests. thanks mike

Nov. 4, 2005

Re: [Wlug] System hang woes continue

by Eric Martin

There should be settings in your bios main screen for 'Load setup defaults' or 'Load Failsafe defaults' The setup defaults are pretty conservative, but the failsafe is barebones On 10/29/05, Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> wrote: > > > From: "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> > > > > Bummers, I've been thinking about going the opteron route as well with > > a dual box like this. Thoughts off the top of my head: > > > > 1. Is the BIOS updated? > > 2. Can you tune/tweak the BIOS settings to more conservative values? > > I like that idea, where can I learn about BIOS tweaking and > what values are conservative? Can I read about overclocking > and just do the opposite? I guess I am getting old; I would > gladly wait five percent longer if it meant I could be > certain it would work, and I feel no need to brag about the > size of my MHz. > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 31, 2005

REMINDER: Upcoming WLUG meeting

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI gang, Its time again for a WLUG meeting! At this meeting, we will have Jeff Moyer as our guest speaker. Jeff joined WLUG in its early days and has managed to stay in touch ever since. Jeff is now employed by RedHat as a kernel developer. Jeff's talk is entitled "Hacking the Linux Automounter", and you can find more details of this talk on the WLUG website. Come on down - it promised to be a great meeting! I'll also have these raffle prizes: Peter van der Linden's Guide to Linux Takes the Mystery out of learning Linux Prentice Hall publisher Copyright 2006 (sic) Core Web Application Development with PHP and MySQL Author: Marc Wandschneider Prentice Hall publisher Copyright 2006 (sic) After this meeting, we'll go out for our usual pizza dinner at Tech Pizza on Highland Street. See ya at the meeting! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDZYvBHl0iXDssISsRAmMUAKCEEksqFuGEVk34uJ5uHwpGGv9yGACeOJsV VoSlhuI+qRP3labR+nLxSxA= =oqk8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 31, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Need help: palm -> laptop

by Walt Sawyer

Thanks! That gets me a little bit further. After verifying the device exists, I chmod to get permission for /dev/pilot (which is ln'ed to /dev/ttyUSB0). Now when running the gnome-pilot setup, the palm connects, but the setup app doesn't see it. Again, thanks for your help! It's gotten me a little closer to the goal! Walt On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 12:07 +0100, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > ls -la /dev/ttyUSB0 verify that the device exists there, and that you have read/write permissions. I use gentto, so I'm not sure how fedora handles devices. If they use udev, devfs, etc. > > > > Walt Sawyer wrote: > > >Thanks! > >After checking dmesg, I created a link: > >ln /dev/ttyUSB0 /dev/pilot > >Still, no connection. > > > >usbcore: registered new driver usbserial > >drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for > >Generic > >usbcore: registered new driver usbserial_generic > >drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial Driver core v2.0 > >drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for > >PL-2303 > >pl2303 1-3.2:1.0: PL-2303 converter detected > >usb 1-3.2: PL-2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0 > >usbcore: registered new driver pl2303 > >drivers/usb/serial/pl2303.c: Prolific PL2303 USB to serial adaptor > >driver v0.12 > >On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 23:29 +0200, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > > > > > >>What is the output of "dmesg" It probally created a serial device in > >>/dev/tts/USB0 or something like that.. The prolific USB-Serial adapter > >>just acts like a plain old rs-232 serial port. Then you need > >>application software to sync. > >> > >> > >> > >>Walt Sawyer wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Hi all, > >>>I need some help! I bought a USB to Serial/parrallel adaptor (IBM > >>>22P5298). Fedora 4 seems to see it in /proc/bus/usb/devices but when I > >>>try to hotsync my palm, no connection results. Anyone have an idea as > >>>to how to proceed? > >>>Thanks in advance! > >>>Walt > >>> > >>>Below is part of the output of > >>>more /proc/bus/usb/devices > >>> > >>>T: Bus=01 Lev=02 Prnt=07 Port=01 Cnt=02 Dev#= 9 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 > >>>D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1 > >>>P: Vendor=067b ProdID=2303 Rev= 3.00 > >>>S: Manufacturer=Prolific Technology Inc. > >>>S: Product=USB-Serial Controller > >>>C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=100mA > >>>I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=pl2303 > >>>E: Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 10 Ivl=1ms > >>>E: Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms > >>>E: Ad=83(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Wlug mailing list > >>>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >>>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > >

Oct. 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Need help: palm -> laptop

by Karl Hiramoto

ls -la /dev/ttyUSB0 verify that the device exists there, and that you have read/write permissions. I use gentto, so I'm not sure how fedora handles devices. If they use udev, devfs, etc. Walt Sawyer wrote: >Thanks! >After checking dmesg, I created a link: >ln /dev/ttyUSB0 /dev/pilot >Still, no connection. > >usbcore: registered new driver usbserial >drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for >Generic >usbcore: registered new driver usbserial_generic >drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial Driver core v2.0 >drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for >PL-2303 >pl2303 1-3.2:1.0: PL-2303 converter detected >usb 1-3.2: PL-2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0 >usbcore: registered new driver pl2303 >drivers/usb/serial/pl2303.c: Prolific PL2303 USB to serial adaptor >driver v0.12 >On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 23:29 +0200, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > > >>What is the output of "dmesg" It probally created a serial device in >>/dev/tts/USB0 or something like that.. The prolific USB-Serial adapter >>just acts like a plain old rs-232 serial port. Then you need >>application software to sync. >> >> >> >>Walt Sawyer wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi all, >>>I need some help! I bought a USB to Serial/parrallel adaptor (IBM >>>22P5298). Fedora 4 seems to see it in /proc/bus/usb/devices but when I >>>try to hotsync my palm, no connection results. Anyone have an idea as >>>to how to proceed? >>>Thanks in advance! >>>Walt >>> >>>Below is part of the output of >>>more /proc/bus/usb/devices >>> >>>T: Bus=01 Lev=02 Prnt=07 Port=01 Cnt=02 Dev#= 9 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 >>>D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1 >>>P: Vendor=067b ProdID=2303 Rev= 3.00 >>>S: Manufacturer=Prolific Technology Inc. >>>S: Product=USB-Serial Controller >>>C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=100mA >>>I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=pl2303 >>>E: Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 10 Ivl=1ms >>>E: Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms >>>E: Ad=83(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Wlug mailing list >>>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > -- --- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> US VOIP: (1) 603.966.4448 Spain Casa (34) 951.273.347 Spain Mobil (34) 617.463.826 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto jabber.org=karl_hiramoto ------ - It's ten o'clock. Do you know where your source code is? -- From a Slashdot.org post

Oct. 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Need help: palm -> laptop

by Walt Sawyer

Thanks! After checking dmesg, I created a link: ln /dev/ttyUSB0 /dev/pilot Still, no connection. usbcore: registered new driver usbserial drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for Generic usbcore: registered new driver usbserial_generic drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial Driver core v2.0 drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for PL-2303 pl2303 1-3.2:1.0: PL-2303 converter detected usb 1-3.2: PL-2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0 usbcore: registered new driver pl2303 drivers/usb/serial/pl2303.c: Prolific PL2303 USB to serial adaptor driver v0.12 On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 23:29 +0200, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > What is the output of "dmesg" It probally created a serial device in > /dev/tts/USB0 or something like that.. The prolific USB-Serial adapter > just acts like a plain old rs-232 serial port. Then you need > application software to sync. > > > > Walt Sawyer wrote: > > >Hi all, > >I need some help! I bought a USB to Serial/parrallel adaptor (IBM > >22P5298). Fedora 4 seems to see it in /proc/bus/usb/devices but when I > >try to hotsync my palm, no connection results. Anyone have an idea as > >to how to proceed? > >Thanks in advance! > >Walt > > > >Below is part of the output of > >more /proc/bus/usb/devices > > > >T: Bus=01 Lev=02 Prnt=07 Port=01 Cnt=02 Dev#= 9 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 > >D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1 > >P: Vendor=067b ProdID=2303 Rev= 3.00 > >S: Manufacturer=Prolific Technology Inc. > >S: Product=USB-Serial Controller > >C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=100mA > >I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=pl2303 > >E: Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 10 Ivl=1ms > >E: Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms > >E: Ad=83(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > >

Oct. 29, 2005

Re: [Wlug] System hang woes continue

by Keith Wright

> From: "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> > > Bummers, I've been thinking about going the opteron route as well with > a dual box like this. Thoughts off the top of my head: > > 1. Is the BIOS updated? > 2. Can you tune/tweak the BIOS settings to more conservative values? I like that idea, where can I learn about BIOS tweaking and what values are conservative? Can I read about overclocking and just do the opposite? I guess I am getting old; I would gladly wait five percent longer if it meant I could be certain it would work, and I feel no need to brag about the size of my MHz. -- Keith

Oct. 29, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Need help: palm -> laptop

by Karl Hiramoto

What is the output of "dmesg" It probally created a serial device in /dev/tts/USB0 or something like that.. The prolific USB-Serial adapter just acts like a plain old rs-232 serial port. Then you need application software to sync. Walt Sawyer wrote: >Hi all, >I need some help! I bought a USB to Serial/parrallel adaptor (IBM >22P5298). Fedora 4 seems to see it in /proc/bus/usb/devices but when I >try to hotsync my palm, no connection results. Anyone have an idea as >to how to proceed? >Thanks in advance! >Walt > >Below is part of the output of >more /proc/bus/usb/devices > >T: Bus=01 Lev=02 Prnt=07 Port=01 Cnt=02 Dev#= 9 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 >D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1 >P: Vendor=067b ProdID=2303 Rev= 3.00 >S: Manufacturer=Prolific Technology Inc. >S: Product=USB-Serial Controller >C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=100mA >I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=pl2303 >E: Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 10 Ivl=1ms >E: Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms >E: Ad=83(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > -- -- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> US VOIP: (+1) 603.966.4448 Spain Casa (+34) 951.273.347 Spain Mobil (+34) 617.463.826 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto jabber.org=karl_hiramoto

Oct. 29, 2005

Need help: palm -> laptop

by Walt Sawyer

Hi all, I need some help! I bought a USB to Serial/parrallel adaptor (IBM 22P5298). Fedora 4 seems to see it in /proc/bus/usb/devices but when I try to hotsync my palm, no connection results. Anyone have an idea as to how to proceed? Thanks in advance! Walt Below is part of the output of more /proc/bus/usb/devices T: Bus=01 Lev=02 Prnt=07 Port=01 Cnt=02 Dev#= 9 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor=067b ProdID=2303 Rev= 3.00 S: Manufacturer=Prolific Technology Inc. S: Product=USB-Serial Controller C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=100mA I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=pl2303 E: Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 10 Ivl=1ms E: Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms E: Ad=83(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms

Oct. 29, 2005

Re: [Wlug] ML 370 + DVD RW

by John Stoffel

Aramico> Here, I have tried to install RHEL 4 ES, but not work with Aramico> several diffrent error listed during the installation. Bummers. Aramico> But, its all ok after replacing the DVD RW with common cd Aramico> rom. Good. Aramico> can you help me here how to copy data from physical hardisk Aramico> to a blank dvd drive ? whats the command ? Thanks all. You should google for 'dvd writing linux' and probably 'dvdrtools' as well. But if the drive was giving errors on reading a disk, then you're probably going to have problems writing. John

Oct. 28, 2005

Re: [Wlug] System hang woes continue

by Walt Sawyer

We have had problems with bulging capacitors. After some research, I have found that many different systems have this issue (Dell, Intel, etc. motherboards). Open the BFH (box from hell) and check the caps. They may be bulging on top or even leaking. This is from an electrolyte formula that was stolen from Japan. Good luck! Walt On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 11:55 -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > Andy> I think I somehow built the computer from Hell. Recall my dual > Andy> Opteron box with SuSE 9.2 and 1 GB of memory. > > Bummers, I've been thinking about going the opteron route as well with > a dual box like this. Thoughts off the top of my head: > > 1. Is the BIOS updated? > 2. Can you tune/tweak the BIOS settings to more conservative values? > 3. Try running kernel 2.6.14-rc5, there were various problems found > and fixed with AMD stuff. > 4. Try booting a UP kernel > -or- > Try booting an SMP kernel with 'nosmp' boot option. > 5. Try booting with the 'noapic' option. > 6. Boot with a serial console, log all output to another system. Try > to do magic SysRq from that console when the system hangs. > > Andy> I removed every SATA device from my system, and now it doesn't > Andy> hang as often, but it still hangs periodically. > > Hmm... this points to the problem not being SATA then. Can you > disable the SATA chipset from the BIOS level as a test? > > Andy> This time I got 10 days of uptime before it hung - a new world's > Andy> record on this particular box. Strangely enough, I could > Andy> demonstrate more uptime with the "old" SATA code than with > Andy> libata - go figure. > > How did the system hang? Do you have sysreq enabled? It would be > good to know what type of lockups you're getting here. Does it lockup > when the system is idle or in use? > > Andy> I am suspicious of the 2.6 kernel. We run dual Opteron servers > Andy> at work with the 2.4 kernel series with no problems at all (on > Andy> RedHat 7.3). I am wondering what would happen if I took SuSE > Andy> 9.2 and replaced the 2.6 kernel with a 2.4 kernel. Am I asking > Andy> for a heap of trouble? > > Not really, though you might have issues if you have binary modules > for closed source drivers. I'd grab the 2.4.31 kernel and try it > out. It should work fairly well on there, though you might have > issues if you use udev for your devices. > > Someone else suggested a LiveCD, which I think is a good idea. If you > can, trash one of your SATA disks and do a debian/ubuntu install using > the 2.4 kernel and see what happens. > > We run Rackable Dual/Quad opterons at work with RHEL 3 and they just > work. But we're only stressing them with CPU bound jobs, not with > devices or graphics or audio or anything like that. > > Good luck! > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 28, 2005

ML 370 + DVD RW

by Aramico

Friends, I have HP ML 370p with DVD RW. Here, I have tried to install RHEL 4 ES, but not work with several diffrent error listed during the installation. But, its all ok after replacing the DVD RW with common cd rom. can you help me here how to copy data from physical hardisk to a blank dvd drive ? whats the command ? Thanks all. Regards, Aramico

Oct. 28, 2005

Re: [Wlug] System hang woes continue

by John Stoffel

Andy> I think I somehow built the computer from Hell. Recall my dual Andy> Opteron box with SuSE 9.2 and 1 GB of memory. Bummers, I've been thinking about going the opteron route as well with a dual box like this. Thoughts off the top of my head: 1. Is the BIOS updated? 2. Can you tune/tweak the BIOS settings to more conservative values? 3. Try running kernel 2.6.14-rc5, there were various problems found and fixed with AMD stuff. 4. Try booting a UP kernel -or- Try booting an SMP kernel with 'nosmp' boot option. 5. Try booting with the 'noapic' option. 6. Boot with a serial console, log all output to another system. Try to do magic SysRq from that console when the system hangs. Andy> I removed every SATA device from my system, and now it doesn't Andy> hang as often, but it still hangs periodically. Hmm... this points to the problem not being SATA then. Can you disable the SATA chipset from the BIOS level as a test? Andy> This time I got 10 days of uptime before it hung - a new world's Andy> record on this particular box. Strangely enough, I could Andy> demonstrate more uptime with the "old" SATA code than with Andy> libata - go figure. How did the system hang? Do you have sysreq enabled? It would be good to know what type of lockups you're getting here. Does it lockup when the system is idle or in use? Andy> I am suspicious of the 2.6 kernel. We run dual Opteron servers Andy> at work with the 2.4 kernel series with no problems at all (on Andy> RedHat 7.3). I am wondering what would happen if I took SuSE Andy> 9.2 and replaced the 2.6 kernel with a 2.4 kernel. Am I asking Andy> for a heap of trouble? Not really, though you might have issues if you have binary modules for closed source drivers. I'd grab the 2.4.31 kernel and try it out. It should work fairly well on there, though you might have issues if you use udev for your devices. Someone else suggested a LiveCD, which I think is a good idea. If you can, trash one of your SATA disks and do a debian/ubuntu install using the 2.4 kernel and see what happens. We run Rackable Dual/Quad opterons at work with RHEL 3 and they just work. But we're only stressing them with CPU bound jobs, not with devices or graphics or audio or anything like that. Good luck! John

Oct. 27, 2005

Re: [Wlug] System hang woes continue

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding [Wlug] System hang woes continue; Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: andystewart> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 andystewart> HI gang, andystewart> I think I somehow built the computer from Hell. Recall my andystewart> dual Opteron box with SuSE 9.2 and 1 GB of memory. andystewart> I removed every SATA device from my system, and now it doesn't andystewart> hang as often, but it still hangs periodically. This time I andystewart> got 10 days of uptime before it hung - a new world's record on andystewart> this particular box. Strangely enough, I could demonstrate andystewart> more uptime with the "old" SATA code than with libata - go andystewart> figure. andystewart> I am suspicious of the 2.6 kernel. We run dual Opteron andystewart> servers at work with the 2.4 kernel series with no problems at andystewart> all (on RedHat 7.3). I am wondering what would happen if I andystewart> took SuSE 9.2 and replaced the 2.6 kernel with a 2.4 kernel. andystewart> Am I asking for a heap of trouble? andystewart> What specific issues would I encounter? Problems with your device tree, no doubt. I think this is a rat hole. Just don't go there. I'd run a live cd based on 2.4 before trying what you're suggesting. andystewart> I'm guessing that the kernel modules would be all fubar since andystewart> I thought taht 2.4 and 2.6 did that quite differently. andystewart> Perhaps I could bypass that with a monolithic kernel. I'm not andystewart> sure what other problems I'd make for myself if I did this. andystewart> Another thought - does somebody have a .config file for a andystewart> Linux 2.6 kernel on an Opteron system that works really well? The distribution configs always work for me. They probably see the most testing, if you think about it. One other suggestion: have you checked to see if there are any BIOS updates? I've seen *very* strange problems of the random variety that are really BIOS bugs. If you're really serious about tracking this down, I'd start doing some stress testing to see if you can get a reliable reproducer. Without that, it's tough to address. Or, enable kexec/kdump. There's a quick blurb on it in fedora weekly news, but that's for fedora. -Jeff

Oct. 27, 2005

Re: [Wlug] System hang woes continue

by Keith Wright

> From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> > > I think I somehow built the computer from Hell. Recall my dual > Opteron box with SuSE 9.2 and 1 GB of memory. Not specifically, but each of us has a computer that sometimes stops dead for no reason. I have always assumed that mine was due to some hardware that runs on the edge. Once or twice a crash seemed to happen exactly when I bumped the case. I moved it from my desk and set it on a shelf where it was never touched (well, hardly ever). It has been running as a firewall 24 hours per day for about a year with random crashes less common than power outages and thunderstorms. In the past few days it has crashed dozens of times, and sometimes takes two or three tries to re-boot. Maybe it doesn't like water dripping from the walls and soaking wet carpets. I just bought a bunch of parts and will attempt to build a computer not from Hell. > I am suspicious of the 2.6 kernel. We run dual Opteron servers > at work with the 2.4 kernel series with no problems at all (on > RedHat 7.3). I am wondering what would happen if I took SuSE > 9.2 and replaced the 2.6 kernel with a 2.4 kernel. Am I asking > for a heap of trouble? Oh! What hours of fun you are about to enjoy! > What specific issues would I encounter? Duh...Incompatible C libraries? > I'm guessing that the kernel modules would be all fubar since I > thought taht 2.4 and 2.6 did that quite differently. Perhaps I > could bypass that with a monolithic kernel. I'm not sure what > other problems I'd make for myself if I did this. The modules come with the kernel, do they not? Do you have 'third party' modules? It should be no problem having two sets of modules installed, as long as the kernel version numbers are different, since each kernel looks for its modules in a directory with its own name on it. But the new kernel must have new powers. Does SuSE depend on the new stuff? -- Keith

Oct. 27, 2005

Re: [Wlug] System hang woes continue

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 09:06:54PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: >>I think I somehow built the computer from Hell. Recall my dual Opteron >>box with SuSE 9.2 and 1 GB of memory. > > what version of 2.6 ? there was a smp bug with amd64 that was pretty > random/nasty but should be fixed in 2.6.13+ iirc ... > -mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > I am running 2.6.13.3. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDYCrVHl0iXDssISsRArJjAJwKxA4aW8guWRUhZ4UZeP4PWfuH0QCeIPkl nxPfTPx51CtQwm48ukwasfU= =60Wm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 27, 2005

Re: [Wlug] System hang woes continue

by Mike Frysinger

On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 09:06:54PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > I think I somehow built the computer from Hell. Recall my dual Opteron > box with SuSE 9.2 and 1 GB of memory. what version of 2.6 ? there was a smp bug with amd64 that was pretty random/nasty but should be fixed in 2.6.13+ iirc ... -mike

Oct. 27, 2005

System hang woes continue

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI gang, I think I somehow built the computer from Hell. Recall my dual Opteron box with SuSE 9.2 and 1 GB of memory. I removed every SATA device from my system, and now it doesn't hang as often, but it still hangs periodically. This time I got 10 days of uptime before it hung - a new world's record on this particular box. Strangely enough, I could demonstrate more uptime with the "old" SATA code than with libata - go figure. I am suspicious of the 2.6 kernel. We run dual Opteron servers at work with the 2.4 kernel series with no problems at all (on RedHat 7.3). I am wondering what would happen if I took SuSE 9.2 and replaced the 2.6 kernel with a 2.4 kernel. Am I asking for a heap of trouble? What specific issues would I encounter? I'm guessing that the kernel modules would be all fubar since I thought taht 2.4 and 2.6 did that quite differently. Perhaps I could bypass that with a monolithic kernel. I'm not sure what other problems I'd make for myself if I did this. Another thought - does somebody have a .config file for a Linux 2.6 kernel on an Opteron system that works really well? Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDYCguHl0iXDssISsRAuxmAJ9we3ey7BSPStkpVxgCyskVTThBvQCfYFjQ MD3q5MG1aecc81+ZY6KiZW4= =eBAh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 27, 2005

Re: [Wlug] FW: the fix is in....

by Gary Hanley

> I don't generally forward stuff to the list, but I thought that this is > something that is of importance to those of use who live in the > Commonwealth... > Tim. Interesting article. I'm surprised I missed it initially. I'm not a Rommney fan, but I have to give him credit for trying to push this. It's a great initiative which will obviously be expensive to implement early on but will of course save hordes of dough for the state in the end. I don't think Galvin is playing politics here...too much, anyway. Like any administrator he is probably worried about big headaches it will likely cause to get this off the ground, but hopefully Rommney has a master plan to get it done as best as possible. -- Gary

Oct. 26, 2005

FW: the fix is in....

by Keller, Tim

I don't generally forward stuff to the list, but I thought that this is something that is of importance to those of use who live in the Commonwealth... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces(a)blu.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@blu.org] On Behalf Of Bill Bogstad Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:12 AM To: discuss(a)blu.org Subject: the fix is in.... A Boston Globe article http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2005/10/25/galvin_att acks_software_proposal/ says that the Massachussetts Secretary of State William Galvin and a number of state senators are opposed to the idea of going to OpenDocument formats. You can contact Secreatary Galvin's office at cis(a)sec.state.ma.us if you have any thoughts on this matter. Check the article for other politicians you might want to contact as well. Bill Bogstad _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss(a)blu.org http://olduvai.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

Oct. 26, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Re: Attach File(s) problem

by Chuck Anderson

On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 11:04:48AM -0400, Jeff Moyer wrote: > kwright> That last guy seems to be the only happy one within range of a > kwright> Google search. > > Very amusing. ;) Sounds like there's some low hanging fruit if anyone is > looking to get involved in a project. ;) Anyone that wants to help can jump right in starting here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?product=Fedora+Core&versio… and here: http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/debug.html To use gdb usefully you'll need some debuginfo packages: /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-debug.repo: [debug] name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - Debug baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/$releasever… enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora # yum install \ firefox-debuginfo \ gamin-debuginfo \ glib2-debuginfo \ glibc-debuginfo \ glibc-debuginfo-common \ glib-debuginfo \ gtk2-debuginfo \ libxml2-debuginfo \ zlib-debuginfo

Oct. 25, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Re: Attach File(s) problem

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] Re: Attach File(s) problem; Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> adds: >> From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> >> >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 12:06:32AM +0000, Ken Jones wrote: > Chuck, how >> did you know about gam_server? >> >> It is the bane of my existence. Even the latest version has issues. kwright> I had never heard of gam-server, so I did what I always do when I kwright> don't know. I typed it into Google. kwright> The first page told me that it uses 100% CPU, deadlocks, forks, kwright> loops, leaks memory, segfaults, crashes and chokes. kwright> The second page told me the same thing in Italian, French, German, kwright> Portugese(I think) and Spanish. kwright> By page 20 I had learned to curse in most west European Languages kwright> and Chinese. I don't know enough Japanese or Czech learn much, kwright> but something told me they weren't happy either. I got to the kwright> message where Google offers to repeat the search with redundant kwright> messages included and stil don't know what it is _supposed_ to do. kwright> processi che si prendono tutta la cpu sono gam_server. Un truc kwright> bizarre m'est arrivÃ©: gam_server dovuti a crash di gam_server, ma kwright> non capisco gam_server hingegen lÃ¤uft irgendwie amok procurei kwright> saber o que era esse "gam_server" Ich habe den gam_server in kwright> ErwÃ¤gung gezogen. Ein killall gam_server oder kill -9 gam_server kwright> ne veux pas lacher /media/cdrom0 proces gam_server serozhodne kwright> zlobit na procesoru (na mobilnÃm Pentiu III @ 1200 MHz) to je kwright> bug, nekolik verzÃ :-( kwright> I upgrade it with a simple: make; make install; killall kwright> gam_server It always worked fine. kwright> That last guy seems to be the only happy one within range of a kwright> Google search. Very amusing. ;) Sounds like there's some low hanging fruit if anyone is looking to get involved in a project. ;) For a description of what it does, see /usr/share/doc/gamin-<n-v-r>. From the README: ,---- | Gamin is a file and directory monitoring system defined to be | a subset of the FAM (File Alteration Monitor) system. | | The main goals of the project are: | 1/ minimize the security model of FAM | 2/ simplify the code base | 3/ provide an API and ABI compatible replacement for FAM | 4/ try to fix some other issues like resource consumption `---- -Jeff

Oct. 25, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Re: Attach File(s) problem

by Keith Wright

> From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 12:06:32AM +0000, Ken Jones wrote: > > Chuck, how did you know about gam_server? > > It is the bane of my existence. Even the latest version has issues. I had never heard of gam-server, so I did what I always do when I don't know. I typed it into Google. The first page told me that it uses 100% CPU, deadlocks, forks, loops, leaks memory, segfaults, crashes and chokes. The second page told me the same thing in Italian, French, German, Portugese(I think) and Spanish. By page 20 I had learned to curse in most west European Languages and Chinese. I don't know enough Japanese or Czech learn much, but something told me they weren't happy either. I got to the message where Google offers to repeat the search with redundant messages included and stil don't know what it is _supposed_ to do. processi che si prendono tutta la cpu sono gam_server. Un truc bizarre m'est arrivé: gam_server dovuti a crash di gam_server, ma non capisco gam_server hingegen läuft irgendwie amok procurei saber o que era esse "gam_server" Ich habe den gam_server in Erwägung gezogen. Ein killall gam_server oder kill -9 gam_server ne veux pas lacher /media/cdrom0 proces gam_server serozhodne zlobit na procesoru (na mobilním Pentiu III @ 1200 MHz) to je bug, nekolik verzí :-( I upgrade it with a simple: make; make install; killall gam_server It always worked fine. That last guy seems to be the only happy one within range of a Google search. -- Keith

Oct. 25, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Re: Attach File(s) problem

by Keith Wright

> From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 12:06:32AM +0000, Ken Jones wrote: > > Chuck, how did you know about gam_server? > > It is the bane of my existence. Even the latest version has issues. I had never heard of gam-server, so I did what I always do when I don't know. I typed it into Google. The first page told me that it uses 100% CPU, deadlocks, forks, loops, leaks memory, segfaults, crashes and chokes. The second page told me the same thing in Italian, French, German, Portugese(I think) and Spanish. By page 20 I had learned to curse in most west European Languages and Chinese. I don't know enough Japanese or Czech learn much, but something told me they weren't happy either. I got to the message where Google offers to repeat the search with redundant messages included and stil don't know what it is _supposed_ to do. processi che si prendono tutta la cpu sono gam_server. Un truc bizarre m'est arrivé: gam_server dovuti a crash di gam_server, ma non capisco gam_server hingegen läuft irgendwie amok procurei saber o que era esse "gam_server" Ich habe den gam_server in Erwägung gezogen. Ein killall gam_server oder kill -9 gam_server ne veux pas lacher /media/cdrom0 proces gam_server serozhodne zlobit na procesoru (na mobilním Pentiu III @ 1200 MHz) to je bug, nš§kolik verzí :-( I upgrade it with a simple: make; make install; killall gam_server It always worked fine. That last guy seems to be the only happy one within range of a Google search. -- Keith

Oct. 25, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Re: Attach File(s) problem

by Chuck Anderson

On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 12:06:32AM +0000, Ken Jones wrote: > Chuck, how did you know about gam_server? It is the bane of my existence. Even the latest version has issues.

Oct. 25, 2005

Re: Attach File(s) problem

by Ken Jones

Thank you all!! re: mozilla-mail Attach File(s) hung up my Fedora 3 machine. The culprit was gamin as Chuck Anderson had suggested. 'yum info' told me that there is a more recent version for Fedora 3. 'yum upgrade' installed that more recent version. The problem seems to have disappeared. Ain't open source grande! Chuck, how did you know about gam_server? Ken Jones

Oct. 25, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Andy I have a question...

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ken Jones wrote: > I am embarrassed to admit that I do not know how to figure this out. I > am having a problem with both mozilla-mail and evolution-mail > > mozilla-mail and evolution-mail both use the same process to "Attach > file(s)". When I try to attach a file my Fedora Core 3 machine is toooo > slow. It ties up the machine for minutes at a time. If I try to move > the GUI is smears. "top" does not indicate lack of memory or lack of > cpu cycles. > > I have not had any luck googling for others who have seen this before > me. Do any of you WLUGers have a suggestion. > > My Fedora Core 4 works very quickly. > > Ken Jones HI Ken, I'm surprised that 'top' doesn't show anything useful. I would have expected to find a CPU hog. You might try getting 'top' running in a terminal window *prior* to running the "Attach files" experiment which messes up your maching so badly. Insure that 'top' is not displaying idle processes, and that it is sorting by CPU usage (the 'i' command and the '<' or '>', as appropriate). I like to keep a copy of xosview running (its a GUI that shows some of the info shown by 'top' without the gory details). When something goes awry, I can see it immediately. I'm not sure what else to suggest since I use neither mozilla-mail nor evolution-mail (I use Thunderbird). Try Chuck's suggestion - I'll bet it works. Chuck's a "Fedora Core" kinda guy. :-) Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDXESZHl0iXDssISsRAn34AJ9vh95p5waqXppDD2OvIvvU/0JdNACfQOHa RS2Rk6R+WBGoeMsmxRM30uo= =2fz7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 24, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Andy I have a question...

by Chuck Anderson

Next time this happens, try "killall gam_server" and see what happens.. On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 01:36:51AM +0000, Ken Jones wrote: > mozilla-mail and evolution-mail both use the same process to "Attach > file(s)". When I try to attach a file my Fedora Core 3 machine is toooo > slow. It ties up the machine for minutes at a time. If I try to move > the GUI is smears. "top" does not indicate lack of memory or lack of > cpu cycles.

Oct. 24, 2005

Andy I have a question...

by Ken Jones

I am embarrassed to admit that I do not know how to figure this out. I am having a problem with both mozilla-mail and evolution-mail mozilla-mail and evolution-mail both use the same process to "Attach file(s)". When I try to attach a file my Fedora Core 3 machine is toooo slow. It ties up the machine for minutes at a time. If I try to move the GUI is smears. "top" does not indicate lack of memory or lack of cpu cycles. I have not had any luck googling for others who have seen this before me. Do any of you WLUGers have a suggestion. My Fedora Core 4 works very quickly. Ken Jones

Oct. 24, 2005

Re: [Wlug] November talk topics

by Jeff Moyer

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] November talk topics; Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: andystewart> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 andystewart> Jeff Moyer wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I just recently got back from Germany, where I gave two talks at this >> year's Linux Kongress. One talk focuses on the state of the >> automounter, and the other discusses the netpoll API. You can find >> abstracts at the Linux Kongress website: >> http://www.linux-kongress.org/2005/abstracts.html >> >> If the group is interested in either of these, I'd be more than happy to >> present. I could also give a quick run-down of what the conference was >> like, who to go out drinking with, etc. >> >> Slides for these talks are available on my people page: >> http://people.redhat.com/jmoyer/index.html#presentations >> >> >> If there's no interest in these topics, it won't hurt my feelings. >> Honest. ;) >> >> -Jeff andystewart> Hi Jeff, andystewart> I think a talk about the automounter would be great - honest! andystewart> Naturally, we want to hear the drinking stories also. ;-) andystewart> The next meeting is Wed Nov 2 - can you do it then? Yup, can do. - -Jeff -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/> iD8DBQFDWW6JH/inyh944bQRAqDfAJ9gp+FQBOLXYCvfJr4tX49mYJs57gCgpkZ9 0hEFRL3ZIA/QdeN1mM9WVYw= =1hVD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 21, 2005

Re: [Wlug] November talk topics

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jeff Moyer wrote: > Hi all, > > I just recently got back from Germany, where I gave two talks at this > year's Linux Kongress. One talk focuses on the state of the automounter, > and the other discusses the netpoll API. You can find abstracts at the > Linux Kongress website: > http://www.linux-kongress.org/2005/abstracts.html > > If the group is interested in either of these, I'd be more than happy to > present. I could also give a quick run-down of what the conference was > like, who to go out drinking with, etc. > > Slides for these talks are available on my people page: > http://people.redhat.com/jmoyer/index.html#presentations > > > If there's no interest in these topics, it won't hurt my feelings. Honest. ;) > > -Jeff Hi Jeff, I think a talk about the automounter would be great - honest! Naturally, we want to hear the drinking stories also. ;-) The next meeting is Wed Nov 2 - can you do it then? Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDWWp9Hl0iXDssISsRAo1gAJ9L5zPQRmhdWRI0XAmrmLkzJqFq8wCffJ+N sz06w4fHL6jAGMJGlVpoQQ0= =fT+7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 21, 2005

Re: automounting

by Carlton C. Stedman II

> I'm interested in the automounter. I would be very nice to have my jumpdrive mount when I plug it in. Also, if anybody knows udev... I managed to just set up automounting on my gentoo box, via some udev rules, HAL, D-BUS and a neat little app called ivman. Ivman will detect when new devices are plugged in and create a new entry in fstab if there isn't already an acceptable one (it'll remove the entry when the device is not connected); it can also be set up to do some more interesting things, such as integration to say start up your burning program when a blank CD-R is put in, etc. Using some udev rules (this is a great reference http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html) isn't *that* hard. You can use the program udevinfo to find out information about your plugged in devices to write appropriate rules. For example, I have a rule to link the device to a node /dev/nikon for my nikon camera, whenever it is plugged in. Then, I have an entry in /etc/fstab to mount /dev/nikon at /media/nikon, and lvman takes care of that (detects when that node is linked, reads fstab and mounts appropriately - if I didn't have that entry in fstab it would create one to mount at like /media/usbdevice01 or something). It even (usually) unmounts the device without issue (figuring out why it doesn't always). Since the serial number for each device is specific, my rule just uses that, so it looks like: SYSFS{serial}="SERIAL OF MY NIKON", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="nikon" to link node /dev/nikon to my camera. I had to use mknod to create that node initially (just a simply character device, I believe, can't remember the major/minor numbers off the top of my head). Of course you need to make sure you have hotplug installed and enabled in your kernel, as well as usb_storage and the SCSI modules (needed for the usb-storage module to work, according to kernel documentation). -- Carlton C. Stedman II, sageman(a)wpi.edu "To iterate is human, to recurse, divine." -- L. Peter Deutch

Oct. 21, 2005

Re: [Wlug] November talk topics

by Eric Martin

I know udev takes care of mounting your specific jumpdrive to /mnt/myJumpDrive, but doesn't the automounter automatically mount cds and other stuff? Or am I in left field? On 10/21/05, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 11:25:27AM -0400, Jeff Moyer wrote: > > ==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] November talk topics; Eric Martin < > freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> adds: > > freak4uxxx> I'm interested in the automounter. I would be very nice to > have > > freak4uxxx> my jumpdrive mount when I plug it in. Also, if anybody knows > > freak4uxxx> udev... > > > > That's more a job for udev than the automounter. Still interested? ;) > > I just noticed that the automounter was automagically configured and > working on my FC4 system :) > > cd /net/hostname > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 21, 2005

Re: [Wlug] November talk topics

by John Stoffel

Eric> I'm interested in the automounter. I would be very nice to have Eric> my jumpdrive mount when I plug it in. Also, if anybody knows Eric> udev... I've got udev tamed enough to put devices where I want them when I plug them in. Automounting isn't there quite yet, though my wife would like it. Heck, I just finally switched my desktop to gnome as a full time test. We'll see how it goes with a real desktop she can find things on. Not that I really need icons on my desktop. Anyway, in terms of writing Udev rules, the key is to parsing the output of the 'udevinfo' tool. It's a pain to use in alot of ways, but not impossible. Basically, do: lsusb plug in device cat /proc/partitions ( for usb-storage) lsusb see what changed. udevinfo -q all -p /sys/... -a | less The trick is figuring out which device to look through in /sys/. For Compact Flash adapters and such, I would just cat /proc/partitions and see what changed and do: udevinfo -q all -p /sys/block/sde -a | less and then look through things. Thne I went and edited the file: /etc/udev/rules.d/10_local.rules and added lines like this: # Cruzer USB (Thin, 512mb) BUS="usb", SYSFS{product}=="Cruzer Mini", SYSFS{serial}=="2004351271076612cf2d" , KERNEL="sd?1", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="cruzer-thin" # Cruzer USB (Thick, 256Mb) BUS="usb", SYSFS{product}=="Cruzer Mini ", SYSFS{serial}=="000062894" , KERNEL="sd?1", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="cruzer-thick" # Compact Flash Reader BUS="usb", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0700",SYSFS{idVendor}=="05e3", NAME{all_partitions}="cf" # Epson Printer R300 Compact Flash Reader BUS="scsi",SYSFS{model}=="Stylus Storage ",SYSFS{vendor}=="EPSON " , NAME{all_partitions}="epson_cf" The key was the serial number(s) for stuff, and the idProduct & idVendor (from lsusb) in terms of how to mount stuff like the Compact flash reader which doesn't have a serial number, nor did the CF cards. Hopefully this will help. BTW, I'm on a debian system. John

Oct. 21, 2005

Re: [Wlug] November talk topics

by Chuck Anderson

On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 11:25:27AM -0400, Jeff Moyer wrote: > ==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] November talk topics; Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> adds: > freak4uxxx> I'm interested in the automounter. I would be very nice to have > freak4uxxx> my jumpdrive mount when I plug it in. Also, if anybody knows > freak4uxxx> udev... > > That's more a job for udev than the automounter. Still interested? ;) I just noticed that the automounter was automagically configured and working on my FC4 system :) cd /net/hostname

Oct. 21, 2005

Re: [Wlug] November talk topics

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] November talk topics; Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> adds: freak4uxxx> I'm interested in the automounter. I would be very nice to have freak4uxxx> my jumpdrive mount when I plug it in. Also, if anybody knows freak4uxxx> udev... That's more a job for udev than the automounter. Still interested? ;) -Jeff freak4uxxx> On 10/21/05, Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hi all, >> >> I just recently got back from Germany, where I gave two talks at this >> year's Linux Kongress. One talk focuses on the state of the automounter, >> and the other discusses the netpoll API. You can find abstracts at the >> Linux Kongress website: >> http://www.linux-kongress.org/2005/abstracts.html >> >> If the group is interested in either of these, I'd be more than happy to >> present. I could also give a quick run-down of what the conference was >> like, who to go out drinking with, etc. >> >> Slides for these talks are available on my people page: >> http://people.redhat.com/jmoyer/index.html#presentations >> >> >> If there's no interest in these topics, it won't hurt my >> feelings. Honest. ;) >> >> - -Jeff -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 >> <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/> >> >> iD8DBQFDWQN3H/inyh944bQRAvDWAKCjgzHar2HHSf2/hwlRcWMLp4rKmACfWpoR >> X0VUV6CwwRi6Hnd+L6jVMio= =D3Z8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> freak4uxxx> I'm interested in the automounter.  I would be very nice freak4uxxx> to have my jumpdrive mount when I plug it in.  Also, if freak4uxxx> anybody knows udev... <div>On freak4uxxx> 10/21/05, Jeff Moyer <<a freak4uxxx> href="mailto:jmoyer@redhat.com">jmoyer(a)redhat.com</a>> freak4uxxx> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" freak4uxxx> style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt freak4uxxx> 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED freak4uxxx> MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I just freak4uxxx> recently got back from Germany, where I gave two talks at freak4uxxx> this year's Linux Kongress.  One talk focuses on freak4uxxx> the state of the automounter, and the other discusses the freak4uxxx> netpoll API.  You can find abstracts at the Linux freak4uxxx> Kongress website:   <a freak4uxxx> href="http://www.linux-kongress.org/2005/abstracts.html">http://www.linux-kongress.org/2005/abstracts.html</a> freak4uxxx> If the group is interested in either of these, I'd be more freak4uxxx> than happy to present.  I could also give a quick freak4uxxx> run-down of what the conference was like, who to go out freak4uxxx> drinking with, etc. Slides for these talks are available freak4uxxx> on my people page:   <a freak4uxxx> href="http://people.redhat.com/jmoyer/index.html#presentations">http://people.redhat.com/jmoyer/index.html#presentations</a> If freak4uxxx> there's no interest in these topics, it won't hurt my freak4uxxx> feelings.  Honest.  ;) - freak4uxxx> -Jeff -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 freak4uxxx> (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 <<a freak4uxxx> href="http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/">http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/</a>> freak4uxxx> iD8DBQFDWQN3H/inyh944bQRAvDWAKCjgzHar2HHSf2/hwlRcWMLp4rKmACfWpoR X0VUV6CwwRi6Hnd+L6jVMio= =D3Z8 -----END freak4uxxx> PGP freak4uxxx> SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Wlug freak4uxxx> mailing list <a href="mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org"> freak4uxxx> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org</a> <a freak4uxxx> href="http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug">http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug</a> </blockquote></div>

Oct. 21, 2005

Re: [Wlug] November talk topics

by Eric Martin

should be it would On 10/21/05, Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm interested in the automounter. I would be very nice to have my > jumpdrive mount when I plug it in. Also, if anybody knows udev... > > On 10/21/05, Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hi all, > > > > I just recently got back from Germany, where I gave two talks at this > > year's Linux Kongress. One talk focuses on the state of the automounter, > > and the other discusses the netpoll API. You can find abstracts at the > > Linux Kongress website: > > http://www.linux-kongress.org/2005/abstracts.html > > > > If the group is interested in either of these, I'd be more than happy to > > present. I could also give a quick run-down of what the conference was > > like, who to go out drinking with, etc. > > > > Slides for these talks are available on my people page: > > http://people.redhat.com/jmoyer/index.html#presentations > > > > > > If there's no interest in these topics, it won't hurt my feelings. > > Honest. ;) > > > > - -Jeff > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ > > > > > > > iD8DBQFDWQN3H/inyh944bQRAvDWAKCjgzHar2HHSf2/hwlRcWMLp4rKmACfWpoR > > X0VUV6CwwRi6Hnd+L6jVMio= > > =D3Z8 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > >

Oct. 21, 2005

Re: [Wlug] November talk topics

by Eric Martin

I'm interested in the automounter. I would be very nice to have my jumpdrive mount when I plug it in. Also, if anybody knows udev... On 10/21/05, Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all, > > I just recently got back from Germany, where I gave two talks at this > year's Linux Kongress. One talk focuses on the state of the automounter, > and the other discusses the netpoll API. You can find abstracts at the > Linux Kongress website: > http://www.linux-kongress.org/2005/abstracts.html > > If the group is interested in either of these, I'd be more than happy to > present. I could also give a quick run-down of what the conference was > like, who to go out drinking with, etc. > > Slides for these talks are available on my people page: > http://people.redhat.com/jmoyer/index.html#presentations > > > If there's no interest in these topics, it won't hurt my feelings. Honest. > ;) > > - -Jeff > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/> > > iD8DBQFDWQN3H/inyh944bQRAvDWAKCjgzHar2HHSf2/hwlRcWMLp4rKmACfWpoR > X0VUV6CwwRi6Hnd+L6jVMio= > =D3Z8 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 21, 2005

November talk topics

by Jeff Moyer

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I just recently got back from Germany, where I gave two talks at this year's Linux Kongress. One talk focuses on the state of the automounter, and the other discusses the netpoll API. You can find abstracts at the Linux Kongress website: http://www.linux-kongress.org/2005/abstracts.html If the group is interested in either of these, I'd be more than happy to present. I could also give a quick run-down of what the conference was like, who to go out drinking with, etc. Slides for these talks are available on my people page: http://people.redhat.com/jmoyer/index.html#presentations If there's no interest in these topics, it won't hurt my feelings. Honest. ;) - -Jeff -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/> iD8DBQFDWQN3H/inyh944bQRAvDWAKCjgzHar2HHSf2/hwlRcWMLp4rKmACfWpoR X0VUV6CwwRi6Hnd+L6jVMio= =D3Z8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 21, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Disabling eth0 upon bootup

by Adam Keck

Hello Mike, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto provides a large amount of doc on doing wifi the Unbuntu way (TM), including disabling eth0. If that does not help, you ought to be able to enable and disable interfaces in the configuration file /etc/networking/interfaces (man interfaces for syntax). On straight Debian that file is parsed by the ifup program at boot time. -Adam On Oct 21, 2005, at 12:31 AM, Cretella, Michael A wrote: > Hey all- > > > I'm running ubuntu 5.10, and trying to understand how the linux bootup > process works.. Right now upon bootup I'd like to change two things: > > Not ifup eth0 > Configure wpa_supplicant to boot up with the right parameters in order > to > configure itself to the wireless network here. > > I think I figured out how to get the wpa_supplicant to work-- I just > edited > /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant and changed $OPTIONS to the arguments I need > in > order for it to work. > > For disabling eth0 on bootup, I could modify /etc/init.d/networking > and > change the command "ifup -a" to "ifup wlan0" to just boot up my wlan0 > on > bootup, but I feel there might be an easier way to do this... Hope you > can > help! > > > -Mike > --------------------------- > Michael A Cretella > Worcester Polytechnic Institute > Electrical Computer Engineering '07 > cretella(a)wpi.edu > (203)610-3618 > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 21, 2005

Disabling eth0 upon bootup

by Cretella, Michael A

Hey all- I'm running ubuntu 5.10, and trying to understand how the linux bootup process works.. Right now upon bootup I'd like to change two things: Not ifup eth0 Configure wpa_supplicant to boot up with the right parameters in order to configure itself to the wireless network here. I think I figured out how to get the wpa_supplicant to work-- I just edited /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant and changed $OPTIONS to the arguments I need in order for it to work. For disabling eth0 on bootup, I could modify /etc/init.d/networking and change the command "ifup -a" to "ifup wlan0" to just boot up my wlan0 on bootup, but I feel there might be an easier way to do this... Hope you can help! -Mike --------------------------- Michael A Cretella Worcester Polytechnic Institute Electrical Computer Engineering '07 cretella(a)wpi.edu (203)610-3618

Oct. 21, 2005

Re: [Wlug] DELL 720 printer shared on SAMBA??

by Ken Jones

RE: DELL 720 sharing with SAMBA/CUPS problem. error_log said: Job 278 queued on 'DELL_R720' by 'root'. Started filter /usr/lib/cups/filter/pstops (PID 12409) for job 278. Started filter /usr/lib/cups/filter/pstoraster (PID 12410) for job 278. Started filter /usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertoz600 (PID 12411) for job 278. Started backend /usr/lib/cups/backend/smb (PID 12412) for job 278. [Job 278] NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED opening remote file Test Page PID 12412 stopped with status 1! I googled this combo and found others with the same problem. One suggestion is to add a userid and password per smb://userid:passwd@workgroug/source/printer_name. This has not worked - yet. Ken Jones Andy Stewart wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Ken Jones wrote: > > >>I've unsuccessfully googled this problem. Maybe you folks know a solution. >> >>My wife received a freebie DEL 720 printer. It is really a relabeled >>Lexmark z600 type. By downloading a driver from Lexmark, I got the >>printer running on my FEDORA 4 machine. >> >>I want to share this printer using SAMBA. After installing the same >>driver on my FEDORA 3 machine its CUPS sees the remote printer and >>"installs" it. When I ask to print a test page it announces that it had >>sent the page. Nothing happens on the FEDORA 3 machine to which the >>printer is attached. It's CUPS says that nothing is in the printer's >>queue. >> >>Any ideas? >>Ken Jones >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> > >HI Ken, > >Take a look in /var/log/cups and see if those files there indicate any >problem. On my system, I have access_log, error_log, and page_log. The >access_log notes my attempts at connecting, while the error_log has been >helpful to me in the past with error messages. > >Later, > >Andy > > >- -- >Andy Stewart, Founder >Worcester Linux Users' Group >Worcester, MA, USA >http://www.wlug.org > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > >iD8DBQFDUQfSHl0iXDssISsRAqXFAJ9gJKAHa06STLy5hfNMQrwkNpDdQQCeNQb4 >JpQTXmvbIqICGneeFgPsNMU= >=BnEQ >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >

Oct. 15, 2005

Re: [Wlug] DELL 720 printer shared on SAMBA??

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ken Jones wrote: > I've unsuccessfully googled this problem. Maybe you folks know a solution. > > My wife received a freebie DEL 720 printer. It is really a relabeled > Lexmark z600 type. By downloading a driver from Lexmark, I got the > printer running on my FEDORA 4 machine. > > I want to share this printer using SAMBA. After installing the same > driver on my FEDORA 3 machine its CUPS sees the remote printer and > "installs" it. When I ask to print a test page it announces that it had > sent the page. Nothing happens on the FEDORA 3 machine to which the > printer is attached. It's CUPS says that nothing is in the printer's > queue. > > Any ideas? > Ken Jones > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > HI Ken, Take a look in /var/log/cups and see if those files there indicate any problem. On my system, I have access_log, error_log, and page_log. The access_log notes my attempts at connecting, while the error_log has been helpful to me in the past with error messages. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDUQfSHl0iXDssISsRAqXFAJ9gJKAHa06STLy5hfNMQrwkNpDdQQCeNQb4 JpQTXmvbIqICGneeFgPsNMU= =BnEQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 15, 2005

DELL 720 printer shared on SAMBA??

by Ken Jones

I've unsuccessfully googled this problem. Maybe you folks know a solution. My wife received a freebie DEL 720 printer. It is really a relabeled Lexmark z600 type. By downloading a driver from Lexmark, I got the printer running on my FEDORA 4 machine. I want to share this printer using SAMBA. After installing the same driver on my FEDORA 3 machine its CUPS sees the remote printer and "installs" it. When I ask to print a test page it announces that it had sent the page. Nothing happens on the FEDORA 3 machine to which the printer is attached. It's CUPS says that nothing is in the printer's queue. Any ideas? Ken Jones

Oct. 15, 2005

RE: [Wlug] deleting a file named "--exclude"

by James Gray

If the Unix shell doesn't like it then try something else... You could try something like: bash-2.05b$ python >>>import os >>>os.unlink('--exclude') >>><Control-Z (just to exit python)> Assuming you have python installed. I think this should be installed by default on most Linux systems. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org on behalf of dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com Sent: Fri 10/14/2005 11:51 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] deleting a file named "--exclude" No. Unix shells expands everything on the command line before running the program. So "rm *exclude" and "rm ??exclude" expand to "rm --exclude". The program cannot tell that the "--exclude" was expanded from wildcard values. Quoting Jim Dibb <jimdibb(a)gmail.com>: > Doesn't rm ??exclude, or rm *exclude work, if you only have the one file > with exclude in it? _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 14, 2005

Re: [Wlug] deleting a file named "--exclude"

by Theo Van Dinter

On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 10:58:30AM -0400, Jim Dibb wrote: > Doesn't rm ??exclude, or rm *exclude work, if you only have the one file > with exclude in it? No, because the shell will expand it to --exclude before passing it to the application which will then see it as an option. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: Memory error on Brain1 - R)boot, S)mack upside the head.

Oct. 14, 2005

Re: [Wlug] deleting a file named "--exclude"

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

No. Unix shells expands everything on the command line before running the program. So "rm *exclude" and "rm ??exclude" expand to "rm --exclude". The program cannot tell that the "--exclude" was expanded from wildcard values. Quoting Jim Dibb <jimdibb(a)gmail.com>: > Doesn't rm ??exclude, or rm *exclude work, if you only have the one file > with exclude in it?

Oct. 14, 2005

Re: [Wlug] deleting a file named "--exclude"

by Mike Frysinger

On Friday 14 October 2005 10:58 am, Jim Dibb wrote: > Doesn't rm ??exclude, or rm *exclude work, if you only have the one file > with exclude in it? see original post/fallowup where someone explained why this wont work -mike

Oct. 14, 2005

Re: [Wlug] deleting a file named "--exclude"

by Jim Dibb

Doesn't rm ??exclude, or rm *exclude work, if you only have the one file with exclude in it? On 10/14/05, Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > > On Friday 14 October 2005 07:12 am, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 08:25:24PM +0200, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > > > hey guys, this would seem rather basic. How to delete a file, but i > > > have a problem. I want to delete a file called "--exclude". Any > > > ideas? > > > > Heh. I used to ask this on interviews. ;) > > > > "rm -- --exclude" > > although most tools nowadays support --, you could also do: > rm ./--exclude > -mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 14, 2005

Re: [Wlug] deleting a file named "--exclude"

by Mike Frysinger

On Friday 14 October 2005 07:12 am, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 08:25:24PM +0200, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > > hey guys, this would seem rather basic. How to delete a file, but i > > have a problem. I want to delete a file called "--exclude". Any > > ideas? > > Heh. I used to ask this on interviews. ;) > > "rm -- --exclude" although most tools nowadays support --, you could also do: rm ./--exclude -mike

Oct. 14, 2005

Re: [Wlug] deleting a file named "--exclude"

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I cheat and let Konqueror delete it for me. Right click...MoveToTrash. :-) - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDT6LSHl0iXDssISsRAr6CAJ9tN15Myew9r21QqCTpydGjVIBUAgCfRsgF fiwwT+X8P6YEO6xlIMLmGNY= =+/h3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 14, 2005

Re: [Wlug] deleting a file named "--exclude"

by Karl Hiramoto

Thanks, Actually i figured it out after doing some RTFM rm --help even showed how to do it. Theo Van Dinter wrote: >On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 08:25:24PM +0200, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > > >>hey guys, this would seem rather basic. How to delete a file, but i >>have a problem. I want to delete a file called "--exclude". Any ideas? >> >> > >Heh. I used to ask this on interviews. ;) > >"rm -- --exclude" > > > >># rm -i * >>rm: unrecognized option `--exclude' >> >> > >the shell expanded * to include --exclude which reads as an option. > > > >># rm -f "--exclude" >>rm: unrecognized option `--exclude' >> >> > >ditto. > > > >># rm -f \-\-exclude >>rm: unrecognized option `--exclude' >> >> > >ditto. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- -- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> US VOIP: (+1) 603.966.4448 Spain Casa (+34) 951.273.347 Spain Mobil (+34) 617.463.826 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto jabber.org=karl_hiramoto

Oct. 14, 2005

Re: [Wlug] deleting a file named "--exclude"

by Theo Van Dinter

On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 08:25:24PM +0200, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > hey guys, this would seem rather basic. How to delete a file, but i > have a problem. I want to delete a file called "--exclude". Any ideas? Heh. I used to ask this on interviews. ;) "rm -- --exclude" > # rm -i * > rm: unrecognized option `--exclude' the shell expanded * to include --exclude which reads as an option. > # rm -f "--exclude" > rm: unrecognized option `--exclude' ditto. > # rm -f \-\-exclude > rm: unrecognized option `--exclude' ditto. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." - Douglas Adams

Oct. 14, 2005

deleting a file named "--exclude"

by Karl Hiramoto

hey guys, this would seem rather basic. How to delete a file, but i have a problem. I want to delete a file called "--exclude". Any ideas? # ls -la total 1648 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 642617 Sep 27 13:54 --exclude drwxr-xr-x 15 karl users 4096 Oct 13 20:16 . drwxr-xr-x 4 karl users 4096 Oct 11 18:17 .. drwxr-xr-x 7 karl users 4096 Sep 27 13:59 .svn # rm -i * rm: unrecognized option `--exclude' Try `rm --help' for more information. # rm -f "--exclude" rm: unrecognized option `--exclude' Try `rm --help' for more information. # rm -f \-\-exclude rm: unrecognized option `--exclude' Try `rm --help' for more information. -- -- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org>

Oct. 13, 2005

RE: [Wlug] Finding more detail defined settings.

by Keller, Tim

I went to Google and entered in "Explanation of tcpip settings in /proc" and this was the first hit I got back, which has what I think you are looking for... http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.kernel.obscure.html Tim. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Aramico Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 12:38 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] Finding more detail defined settings. All, can u please help me here..... Where can I get more detail about the description and function for configuration files placed at /proc/sys/net/ipv4 the directory contents of these bellow listed files dr-xr-xr-x 7 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 icmp_echo_ignore_all -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 icmp_ignore_bogus_error_responses -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 icmp_ratelimit -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 icmp_ratemask -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 igmp_max_memberships -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 inet_peer_gc_maxtime -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 inet_peer_gc_mintime -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 inet_peer_maxttl -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 inet_peer_minttl -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 inet_peer_threshold -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_autoconfig -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_conntrack_max -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_default_ttl -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_dynaddr -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_forward -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ipfrag_high_thresh -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ipfrag_low_thresh -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ipfrag_time -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_local_port_range -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_nonlocal_bind -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_no_pmtu_disc dr-xr-xr-x 6 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 neigh dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 route -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_abort_on_overflow -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_adv_win_scale -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_app_win -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_dsack -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_ecn -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_fack -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_fin_timeout -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_keepalive_intvl -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_keepalive_probes -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_keepalive_time -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_max_orphans -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_max_syn_backlog -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_max_tw_buckets -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_mem -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_orphan_retries -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_reordering -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_retrans_collapse -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_retries1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_retries2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_rfc1337 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_rmem -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_sack -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_stdurg -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_synack_retries -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_syncookies -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_syn_retries -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_timestamps -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_tw_recycle -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_window_scaling -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_wmem thanks :) _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 13, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Finding more detail defined settings.

by Jeff Kinz

On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 11:38:16PM +0700, Aramico wrote: > All, can u please help me here..... > > > > Where can I get more detail about the description and function for > configuration files placed at > /proc/sys/net/ipv4 Most of the best /proc/ documentation is available on your system. /usr/src/linux-2.4/Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt Contains assorted, but limited, information about all aspects of the /proc/ directory. /usr/src/linux-2.4/Documentation/sysrq.txt An overview of System Request Key options. /usr/src/linux-2.4/Documentation/sysctl/ A directory containing a variety of sysctl tips, including modifying values that concern the kernel (kernel.txt), accessing file systems (fs.txt), and virtual memory use (vm.txt). /usr/src/linux-2.4/Documentation/networking/ip-sysctl.txt, A look at various IP networking options. /usr/src/linux-2.4/ Some of the most authoritative information on /proc/ can be found by reading the kernel source code. Make sure the kernel-source RPM is installed on your system and look in the /usr/src/linux-2.4/ directory for the source code. Adjust the kernel name (linux-2.4) to whatever is appropriate on your system. > > the directory contents of these bellow listed files > dr-xr-xr-x 7 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 conf > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 icmp_echo_ignore_all > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 > icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 > icmp_ignore_bogus_error_responses > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 icmp_ratelimit > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 icmp_ratemask > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 igmp_max_memberships > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 inet_peer_gc_maxtime > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 inet_peer_gc_mintime > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 inet_peer_maxttl > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 inet_peer_minttl > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 inet_peer_threshold > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_autoconfig > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_conntrack_max > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_default_ttl > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_dynaddr > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_forward > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ipfrag_high_thresh > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ipfrag_low_thresh > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ipfrag_time > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_local_port_range > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_nonlocal_bind > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_no_pmtu_disc > dr-xr-xr-x 6 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 neigh > dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 route > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 > tcp_abort_on_overflow > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_adv_win_scale > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_app_win > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_dsack > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_ecn > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_fack > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_fin_timeout > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_keepalive_intvl > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_keepalive_probes > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_keepalive_time > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_max_orphans > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_max_syn_backlog > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_max_tw_buckets > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_mem > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_orphan_retries > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_reordering > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_retrans_collapse > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_retries1 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_retries2 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_rfc1337 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_rmem > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_sack > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_stdurg > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_synack_retries > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_syncookies > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_syn_retries > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_timestamps > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_tw_recycle > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_window_scaling > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_wmem > > > thanks > > :) > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- speech recognition software was used in the composition of this e-mail Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. Â¡Ya no mas!

Oct. 13, 2005

Finding more detail defined settings.

by Aramico

All, can u please help me here..... Where can I get more detail about the description and function for configuration files placed at /proc/sys/net/ipv4 the directory contents of these bellow listed files dr-xr-xr-x 7 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 icmp_echo_ignore_all -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 icmp_ignore_bogus_error_responses -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 icmp_ratelimit -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 icmp_ratemask -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 igmp_max_memberships -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 inet_peer_gc_maxtime -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 inet_peer_gc_mintime -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 inet_peer_maxttl -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 inet_peer_minttl -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 inet_peer_threshold -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_autoconfig -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_conntrack_max -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_default_ttl -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_dynaddr -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_forward -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ipfrag_high_thresh -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ipfrag_low_thresh -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ipfrag_time -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_local_port_range -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_nonlocal_bind -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 ip_no_pmtu_disc dr-xr-xr-x 6 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 neigh dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 route -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_abort_on_overflow -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_adv_win_scale -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_app_win -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_dsack -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_ecn -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_fack -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_fin_timeout -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_keepalive_intvl -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_keepalive_probes -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_keepalive_time -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_max_orphans -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_max_syn_backlog -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_max_tw_buckets -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_mem -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_orphan_retries -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_reordering -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_retrans_collapse -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_retries1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_retries2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_rfc1337 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_rmem -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_sack -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_stdurg -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_synack_retries -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_syncookies -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_syn_retries -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_timestamps -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_tw_recycle -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_window_scaling -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 13 21:06 tcp_wmem thanks :)

Oct. 13, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Seeking someone to install SuSE Linux

by Robert Schwein

Actually, the SuSE distro may have been a fortuitist gift for him. On July 8, 2004 Novell had become the first networking infrastructure vendor to reach an agreement with the U.S. General Services Administration to participate in the SmartBUY program for government-wide software purchasing. As of today, for many reasons including security, Novell's networking infrastructure software (SuSE is part of this) is still the only off-the-shelf software of this category in the SmartBUY program. The sole provider of open source software in the SmartBUY program, Novell offers three Linux bundles - a desktop solution, a "starter pack" server solution for smaller departmental deployments, and a more managed/full featured server solution for large environments. Vista has been around for over a decade and runs on various OS platforms. However, over the past year the government (initially the Veterans Administration) has been slowly replacing its Windows, and small islands of *n(i,u)x installations with SuSE. The only reason I happen to have any familiarity with this is because about a year ago the Federal Court system in this area asked me to migrate them off of RedHat and Windows over to SuSE. I was surprised but when I dug into what was going on, I understood. With WINE and Mono providing the Windows and .NET support on SuSE, the government is moving at an ever increasing rate in adopting the SuSE distro. Bob Andy Stewart wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Jared Greenwald wrote: > > >>I'm surprised that no one has suggested ubuntu (ubuntulinux.org) I >>had that installed on my Compaq Evo N600c for a while before reverting >>back to Gentoo. (I'm normally a Gentoo user everywhere, but Ubuntu is >>just so easy, quick and painless I had to give it a shot.) I'd have >>to say its about the easiest distro to install. There is even a >>version that comes with KDE pre-setup called Kubuntu (kubuntu.org) >> >>You can even try the livecd to see if it can detect all the hardware >>on your laptop. The standard (non-livecd) installer uses the same >>logic to do the install, so if the livecd works the real install >>should as well. The thing that will take time is the actual download >>of the livecd and installer cd. >> >>-Jared >> >> > >HI gang, > >I'm not certain if Mel truly has a preference for SuSE or if he >mentioned that because of the CDs I gave to him (I suspect the latter). > Clearly there are a lot of good choices and Ubuntu is one of them. His >interest in the VistA open source medical software may be driving this >decision. > >Later, > >Andy > >- -- >Andy Stewart, Founder >Worcester Linux Users' Group >Worcester, MA, USA >http://www.wlug.org > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > >iD8DBQFDSIkUHl0iXDssISsRAl4VAJ9iTjykbVCf77K9+juUq4xy286PXQCffFiw >CEZW0Y5LuKnvY98nOVxb9dE= >=6X99 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > >

Oct. 10, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Seeking someone to install SuSE Linux

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jared Greenwald wrote: > I'm surprised that no one has suggested ubuntu (ubuntulinux.org) I > had that installed on my Compaq Evo N600c for a while before reverting > back to Gentoo. (I'm normally a Gentoo user everywhere, but Ubuntu is > just so easy, quick and painless I had to give it a shot.) I'd have > to say its about the easiest distro to install. There is even a > version that comes with KDE pre-setup called Kubuntu (kubuntu.org) > > You can even try the livecd to see if it can detect all the hardware > on your laptop. The standard (non-livecd) installer uses the same > logic to do the install, so if the livecd works the real install > should as well. The thing that will take time is the actual download > of the livecd and installer cd. > > -Jared HI gang, I'm not certain if Mel truly has a preference for SuSE or if he mentioned that because of the CDs I gave to him (I suspect the latter). Clearly there are a lot of good choices and Ubuntu is one of them. His interest in the VistA open source medical software may be driving this decision. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDSIkUHl0iXDssISsRAl4VAJ9iTjykbVCf77K9+juUq4xy286PXQCffFiw CEZW0Y5LuKnvY98nOVxb9dE= =6X99 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 9, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Seeking someone to install SuSE Linux

by Jared Greenwald

I'm surprised that no one has suggested ubuntu (ubuntulinux.org) I had that installed on my Compaq Evo N600c for a while before reverting back to Gentoo. (I'm normally a Gentoo user everywhere, but Ubuntu is just so easy, quick and painless I had to give it a shot.) I'd have to say its about the easiest distro to install. There is even a version that comes with KDE pre-setup called Kubuntu (kubuntu.org) You can even try the livecd to see if it can detect all the hardware on your laptop. The standard (non-livecd) installer uses the same logic to do the install, so if the livecd works the real install should as well. The thing that will take time is the actual download of the livecd and installer cd. -Jared On 10/8/05, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > HI everybody, > > Mel Korman came to his first WLUG meeting this past Wednesday asking for > our help to get Linux installed on his laptop. Those of us who attended > the meeting thought that his RedHat 9.0 might be too old for its > installer to comprehend the external USB hard drive on which he had > hoped to copy Linux, so I gave Mel the SuSE 9.3 Pro CDs which I had at > the time, in the hope that he'd have a better time with the installation. > > Mel gave it a try at home but things are not working. Mel has offered > to pay someone who would be willing to get Linux installed on his > Thinkpad laptop (where Windows is also installed). If you are > interested in helping Mel, please contact him directly at > finkor(a)verizon.net. > > Thanks! > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFDSHK/Hl0iXDssISsRArRmAJ0Un4pgNxJiSyTCuZxUe+nwZUwXYACcDfCM > h5XKfY0Z2l6BDNMDEiPuTwQ= > =ja0u > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 9, 2005

Seeking someone to install SuSE Linux

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, Mel Korman came to his first WLUG meeting this past Wednesday asking for our help to get Linux installed on his laptop. Those of us who attended the meeting thought that his RedHat 9.0 might be too old for its installer to comprehend the external USB hard drive on which he had hoped to copy Linux, so I gave Mel the SuSE 9.3 Pro CDs which I had at the time, in the hope that he'd have a better time with the installation. Mel gave it a try at home but things are not working. Mel has offered to pay someone who would be willing to get Linux installed on his Thinkpad laptop (where Windows is also installed). If you are interested in helping Mel, please contact him directly at finkor(a)verizon.net. Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDSHK/Hl0iXDssISsRArRmAJ0Un4pgNxJiSyTCuZxUe+nwZUwXYACcDfCM h5XKfY0Z2l6BDNMDEiPuTwQ= =ja0u -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 9, 2005

Meeting minutes from earlier this week

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, We had our meeting in one of the rooms right off of the Morgan Hall dining area. I think there were 7 or 8 of us, with two newcomers (welcome!). The discussion started with GRUB and some of its more interesting features vs. LILO, such as command line editing and adding graphics to the background. I had made a GRUB bootable CD prior to the meeting. GRUB has a large number of features, and we touched on only a few. After that, we somehow ended up on the topic of VNC: http://www.realvnc.com http://www.tightvnc.com <-- There was also interest in the "suspend to disk" feature of my laptop, which actually worked in a live demo. One person asked if it was possible to do this on a desktop machine (I don't think so....). In addition, Mel K. (newcomer) brought his laptop, onto which he wanted to install RedHat 9.0, which was having trouble recognizing his external USB hard drive. I gave Mel my SuSE 9.3 pro CDs and asked him to give that a try. Mel said that he'd keep us apprised of his progress. Pizza / soda followed at the Tech Pizza restaurant where we've gone after the last several meetings. Mel mentioned that he has interest in VistA (open source medical software). Try http://www.vistasoftware.org and google turns up other seemingly related links. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDRx4CHl0iXDssISsRAgHDAJ9ZQ4B0Morwv7EcxvAicO9fCxl2LgCdFxFg 5z9ZHpXjfJMuedYXi0ySZMI= =fVQp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Meeting minutes from earlier this week

by Jon Gaudette

Andy Stewart wrote: > > There was also interest in the "suspend to disk" feature of my laptop, > which actually worked in a live demo. One person asked if it was > possible to do this on a desktop machine (I don't think so....). > Hi Everyone, I have lurked for a while now, but first post to this list. Just wanted to say that the "suspend to disk" feature is available on a desktop machine. With Gentoo I use the 'suspend2-sources', and have had no problems with hibernating both my Athlon 64 desktop computer, nor Pentium3 laptop. A good howto is available on the Gentoo Wiki site, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Software_Suspend_v2 The instructions are fairly informative, that even non-Gentoo users should be able to use the howto as a stepping stone to getting the feature into their kernel. Hope this is of some help. -- Jon Gaudette

Oct. 7, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Splitting Text in linux.

by Brian Waite

On Tuesday 04 October 2005 9:25 am, Brett Russ wrote: > On 10/4/05, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 05:42:01PM +0700, Aramico wrote: > > > I have a log with more than 200000 lines in one single file. > > > Can I split it into several defined files as file1, file2, file3, > > > file4, filen where I can defined it for 20000 line for each ? > > > How can I make it ? what command in linux to make it ? > > > > The 'split' command can do that: > > > > split -l 20000 -d --verbose file file > > Ah, much easier :-) > > OK, now that we know the easiest way, who can post the most obfuscated > method? Not the MOST obfuscated, but darn near the slowest: If I could only embed that alst cur assignement! #!/bin/sh if [ $# -lt 3 ] ; then echo "Usage: $0 <infile> <incr> <outfile_prefix>" exit fi while [ ${cur:=`wc -l $1| awk '{print $1}'`} -gt 0 ] ; do tail -$cur $1 | head -$2 > $3$(((`wc -l $1 | awk '{print $1}'` - $cur) / $2)) cur=$(( $cur - $2 )) done Thanks Brian

Oct. 5, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Splitting Text in linux.

by Mike Leo

open Kwrite, copy first 2000 lines, past into new file. Repeat. --- Brett Russ <bruss(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > On 10/4/05, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 05:42:01PM +0700, Aramico > wrote: > > > I have a log with more than 200000 lines in one > single file. > > > Can I split it into several defined files as > file1, file2, file3, file4, > > > filen where I can defined it for 20000 line for > each ? > > > How can I make it ? what command in linux to > make it ? > > > > The 'split' command can do that: > > > > split -l 20000 -d --verbose file file > > Ah, much easier :-) > > OK, now that we know the easiest way, who can post > the most obfuscated method? > > :-) > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 4, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Splitting Text in linux.

by Brett Russ

On 10/4/05, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 05:42:01PM +0700, Aramico wrote: > > I have a log with more than 200000 lines in one single file. > > Can I split it into several defined files as file1, file2, file3, file4, > > filen where I can defined it for 20000 line for each ? > > How can I make it ? what command in linux to make it ? > > The 'split' command can do that: > > split -l 20000 -d --verbose file file Ah, much easier :-) OK, now that we know the easiest way, who can post the most obfuscated method? :-)

Oct. 4, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Splitting Text in linux.

by Chuck Anderson

On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 05:42:01PM +0700, Aramico wrote: > I have a log with more than 200000 lines in one single file. > Can I split it into several defined files as file1, file2, file3, file4, > filen where I can defined it for 20000 line for each ? > How can I make it ? what command in linux to make it ? The 'split' command can do that: split -l 20000 -d --verbose file file

Oct. 4, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Splitting Text in linux.

by Brett Russ

On 10/4/05, Aramico <aramico(a)duahati.com> wrote: > I have a log with more than 200000 lines in one single file. > Can I split it into several defined files as file1, file2, file3, file4, > filen where I can defined it for 20000 line for each ? > How can I make it ? what command in linux to make it ? sed is your friend... man sed something like: sed -n 1,+19999p <big-file> > <little-file-1> then sed -n 19999,+19999p <big-file> > <little-file-2> of course, you'd best make a loop to do this quickly. BR

Oct. 4, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Splitting Text in linux.

by Bill Mills-Curran

Aramico, See the "split" command. It will do what you want. Bill On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 05:42:01PM +0700, Aramico wrote: > > > Friends, > > Can somebody help me here... > I have a log with more than 200000 lines in one single file. > Can I split it into several defined files as file1, file2, file3, file4, > filen where I can defined it for 20000 line for each ? > How can I make it ? what command in linux to make it ? > > > Regards, > > > > Aramico > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 4, 2005

Splitting Text in linux.

by Aramico

Friends, Can somebody help me here... I have a log with more than 200000 lines in one single file. Can I split it into several defined files as file1, file2, file3, file4, filen where I can defined it for 20000 line for each ? How can I make it ? what command in linux to make it ? Regards, Aramico

Oct. 4, 2005

SuSE Installation process.

by Adam Keck

Hello All, Does anyone have in-depth knowledge of the current SuSE install process? I want to get an install to exclude certain GIDs that we use in NIS when the install assigns GIDs to groups owned by packages. I found that I can assign the correct GID to an internal group in the autoyast XML file, but the package that uses that GID still gets a group assigned with that GID. Then result is duplicate GIDs in /etc/group. Ideally I would like to know how to get the installer to ignore certain GIDs. -Adam

Oct. 3, 2005

Upcoming WLUG meeting reminder

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, Our next WLUG meeting is nearly upon us. Let's see if I can announce the date correctly this month: :-) Wed Oct 5th 2005 7:00 PM The theme of this meeting will be "What is the theme of this meeting?". As of late, that has been a familiar theme. Still, we manage to have fun both during and after the meeting, and that's a good theme (uh, thing)! Without intending to sound like a looping MP3, I'm always looking for someone to lead a talk at the meeting. I don't think I've ever turned anyone down so don't be shy. Having said that, I'm sure someone will come up with some wild idea just to be the first to get turned down. In the absence of a formal speaker, we can start by informally discussing GNU GRUB (http://www.gnu.org/software/grub) That topic will eventually lead us to other tangential topics. I was recently contacted by a person (Mel) who is having some trouble with Debian Sarge on a laptop. The difficulty has to do with loading X onto the laptop, which Mel will be bringing to the meeting. I hope a couple of Debian users appear at the meeting and can help Mel with this problem. At this meeting, I'll bring two books for the zero cost raffle: Linux Quick Fix Notebook Bruce Perens' Open Source Series Author: Peter Harrison Publisher: Prentice Hall http://www.quickfixnotebook.com Technical Writing (for Engineers and Scientists) Author: Barry J. Rosenberg Publisher: Addison Wesley http://www.awprofessional.com/title/0131498630 That's about it - see you at the meeting! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDPdNHHl0iXDssISsRAuVFAJ44bX+ymeGAiG1LcqXBvMv8p5KKHQCdF38E 5ehhpH0J5b9V3NvLn3SmDJM= =o3jY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 1, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Power Supply Needed

by Mike Leo

the website says the 5th of october. I am in leominster...where you? --- John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> writes: > > Mike> Ill disassemble what I got and bring in the > PS's...you > Mike> can take what you want. > > Mike> Will you be at the next meeting? > > Hi Mike, > > I'll try my best to be at the meeting, but with my > wife's schedule, > it's not always possible, unless I drag the kid > along. > > When's the next one? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Power Supply Needed

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> writes: Mike> Ill disassemble what I got and bring in the PS's...you Mike> can take what you want. Mike> Will you be at the next meeting? Hi Mike, I'll try my best to be at the meeting, but with my wife's schedule, it's not always possible, unless I drag the kid along. When's the next one?

Sept. 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Power Supply Needed

by Mike Leo

Ill disassemble what I got and bring in the PS's...you can take what you want. Will you be at the next meeting? --- John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Mike> I'm about to jetison 10 old Pc's that have > PS's. none of them > Mike> are great machines, and some of them have > issues, but you are > Mike> welcome to any parts i have. > > Thanks, that would be great. > > Mike> Non are eMachines, however. Are they very > particular as to the > Mike> PS requirements? > > Mostly in terms of the size of the PS itself. > Otherwise it's just the > standard 4pin disk drive connectors (three minimum), > one floppy drive > connector and one motherboard connector. > > I can see about finding the dimensions, it's at home > and I'm at work > now. Here are the dimensions I need to fit in: > > 4.9 W x 2.5 H x 3.9 D - Inches > > http://www.affordablesurplus.com/ilssan_isp120_power_supply.asp#SPECIFICATI… > > Has full details. > > Thanks! > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 29, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Power Supply Needed

by John Stoffel

Mike> I'm about to jetison 10 old Pc's that have PS's. none of them Mike> are great machines, and some of them have issues, but you are Mike> welcome to any parts i have. Thanks, that would be great. Mike> Non are eMachines, however. Are they very particular as to the Mike> PS requirements? Mostly in terms of the size of the PS itself. Otherwise it's just the standard 4pin disk drive connectors (three minimum), one floppy drive connector and one motherboard connector. I can see about finding the dimensions, it's at home and I'm at work now. Here are the dimensions I need to fit in: 4.9 W x 2.5 H x 3.9 D - Inches http://www.affordablesurplus.com/ilssan_isp120_power_supply.asp#SPECIFICATI… Has full details. Thanks! John

Sept. 29, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Power Supply Needed

by Mike Leo

I'm about to jetison 10 old Pc's that have PS's. none of them are great machines, and some of them have issues, but you are welcome to any parts i have. Non are eMachines, however. Are they very particular as to the PS requirements? --- John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Hi all, > > Anyone have a Ilssan ISF 120SI compatible Power > supply they'd be > willing to sell me cheap? This is for an eMachines > box that died in a > lightning storm. It's for a couple with limited > means and I just > don't have any spares around the house at all. > > Specs for what I'm looking for: > > Input: 100-120VAC 3A > > Ouput: +3.3V +5V +12V -12V +%VSB > 6A 14A 2A 0.3A 0.72A > 120W > > It's a small power supply with a built in Fan that > sticks out. More > info (web pages for compatible ones) available on > request. > > Thanks, > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 29, 2005

Power Supply Needed

by John Stoffel

Hi all, Anyone have a Ilssan ISF 120SI compatible Power supply they'd be willing to sell me cheap? This is for an eMachines box that died in a lightning storm. It's for a couple with limited means and I just don't have any spares around the house at all. Specs for what I'm looking for: Input: 100-120VAC 3A Ouput: +3.3V +5V +12V -12V +%VSB 6A 14A 2A 0.3A 0.72A 120W It's a small power supply with a built in Fan that sticks out. More info (web pages for compatible ones) available on request. Thanks, John

Sept. 29, 2005

Re: [Wlug] RH8.0 user in Worc. area

by Mike Leo

We use RH8 as our primary DNS servers and they are pretty nice. Personally, though, i prefer the apt-get system to do updates. There are plenty of repositories for RH8 around for you to get updates from. I don't think i can help you out, but thought I'd share my experiance on up2date vs apt... also, if you install nmap, you can scan yourself for open ports...thats a quick way to see what holes are open. nmap -sS localhost will work. additionally, running the chkconfig --list|grep on command will show you all the services that are set to be running at any time...its good to shut those down with a quick server whatever stop, the chkconfig whatever off, the latter preventing that service from starting at boot. good luck...hope this helps a little anyway. mike --- Pete Wason <codevark(a)netscape.net> wrote: > Hiall! > > I'm wondering if anybody's using RH8.0 and could > assist me in a general package > updating/security audit/admin session. Nothing too > crazy, I just need some help > grokking alternatives to up2date (yum, etc.) and > making sure my server isn't > bleeding wildly from it's little pointed head. I > live in Sutton.. > > Pete > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 29, 2005

Re: [Wlug] RH8.0 user in Worc. area

by Jeff Kinz

On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 07:11:36PM -0400, Pete Wason wrote: > Hiall! > > I'm wondering if anybody's using RH8.0 and could assist me in a general package > updating/security audit/admin session. Nothing too crazy, I just need some help > grokking alternatives to up2date (yum, etc.) and making sure my server isn't > bleeding wildly from it's little pointed head. I live in Sutton.. > > Pete Hi Pete, If you have a specific question about RH8 I can take a swing at it or you can try the redhat-install list. RH8 has been end of lifed by RedHat. There probably isn't too much in the way of "up-to-date" updates available for it (if any at all). You may want to consider moving to a more recent RedHat product, and if cost is an issue, I recommends the redhat free line - Fedora. FC3 is probably the most stable Fedora release that is currently supported. FC4 has been released but may be a little rougher around the edges. Another distro worthy of consideration is Ubuntu at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/. Also free, but well supported. I urge you to move to a newer distro. The newer kernels are faster, and support better features and hardware. You'll also get better security support and updates. -- speech recognition software was used in the composition of this e-mail Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. Â¡Ya no mas!

Sept. 29, 2005

RH8.0 user in Worc. area

by Pete Wason

Hiall! I'm wondering if anybody's using RH8.0 and could assist me in a general package updating/security audit/admin session. Nothing too crazy, I just need some help grokking alternatives to up2date (yum, etc.) and making sure my server isn't bleeding wildly from it's little pointed head. I live in Sutton.. Pete

Sept. 28, 2005

Re: [Wlug] pipermail, Mailman and FreeBSD

by Ken Jones

Thank you, Rob, That is the solution to my problem. Ken Webmaster wrote: > Ken Jones wrote: > >> I have been the moderator for a Mailman list running on FreeBSD for a >> few years. >> >> This afternoon I received an email from a list member informing me >> that any and all of the emails that have transpired are available for >> the public to see via altavista or google. All that is needed is a >> couple of key words that are in the mail text. >> >> Here is an example of what is available. Go to google and type in as >> key words, >> ["Where we live" Mahood Geneseo] >> >> The following appears. >> <www.employees.org/pipermail/york_fifty_two/2004-September/000253.html> >> >> If you go there and click on [Messages sorted by [Thread]] you get a >> complete archive. >> I had never heard of pipermail 0.09. Do you all know what it is, how >> it works and how to disable it? >> >> Ken Jones >> > If you administer the list via the mailman web interface, on the > "Archival Options" page. Turn the "Is archive file source for public > or private archival?" to private. > > Rob M > >

Sept. 23, 2005

Re: [Wlug] pipermail, Mailman and FreeBSD

by Webmaster

Ken Jones wrote: > I have been the moderator for a Mailman list running on FreeBSD for a > few years. > > This afternoon I received an email from a list member informing me > that any and all of the emails that have transpired are available for > the public to see via altavista or google. All that is needed is a > couple of key words that are in the mail text. > > Here is an example of what is available. Go to google and type in as > key words, > ["Where we live" Mahood Geneseo] > > The following appears. > <www.employees.org/pipermail/york_fifty_two/2004-September/000253.html> > > If you go there and click on [Messages sorted by [Thread]] you get a > complete archive. > I had never heard of pipermail 0.09. Do you all know what it is, how > it works and how to disable it? > > Ken Jones > If you administer the list via the mailman web interface, on the "Archival Options" page. Turn the "Is archive file source for public or private archival?" to private. Rob M

Sept. 23, 2005

pipermail, Mailman and FreeBSD

by Ken Jones

Sept. 23, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Bad x11 package from fedora

by Arllen

Cretella, Michael A wrote: > Bump that, I installed the same bad package on FC4, I ended up formatting > anyways, going to give Kubuntu a shot.... Has anyone had any experience with > kubuntu? I put it on one of my boxes recently. It's very easy to set up, and works nicely. The only kink I found after install was that it put a savedefault entry in my grub menu.lst, which rendered my system unbootable. Easy fix: delete the savedefault line, which you can do from the grub menu at boot time if you have to. I like kubuntu. The forums/doc are excellent. One thing I found is that, if you're used to all the extra software bits that come with Red Hat, you'll have to get used to kubuntu not having them. I came from Mandrake, and it didn't take me very long to figure things out and work around the missing bits -- it's mostly a matter of installing the packages that don't get installed by default. My advice: get Synaptic as soon as you're done, it's much better than the KDE version that comes with kubuntu. And you have to get used to the Debian packages (when you go to install other stuff on your own, you'll find that .deb packages aren't nearly as ubiquitous as .rpm ones). Once you get kubuntu working like you want, it's very stable, and very nice. I like it's release cycle better than Mandrake's -- the reason I switched was to get KDE 3.4 without sacrificing stability. Mandrake's latest official release doesn't support it, and the latest club release at the time was painfully buggy on my box -- I actually had to blow the whole thing away, and that's when I switched to kubuntu. Arllen

Sept. 20, 2005

RE: Wlug Digest, Vol 23, Issue 14

by Cretella, Michael A

Bump that, I installed the same bad package on FC4, I ended up formatting anyways, going to give Kubuntu a shot.... Has anyone had any experience with kubuntu? --------------------------- Michael A Cretella Worcester Polytechnic Institute Electrical Computer Engineering '07 cretella(a)wpi.edu (203)610-3618 -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:00 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Wlug Digest, Vol 23, Issue 14 Send Wlug mailing list submissions to wlug(a)mail.wlug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org You can reach the person managing the list at wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Bad x11 package from fedora (Bill Mills-Curran) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:02:27 -0400 From: Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> Subject: [Wlug] Bad x11 package from fedora To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)wlug.org> Message-ID: <20050920120227.GA12690(a)bday.mills.curran> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I installed a bad package from fedora over the weekend. xorg-x11.i386 6.8.2-1.FC3.45 There are a total of 13 packages that are associated with the upgrade. This also affects FC4. There is a beta fix that I hope to test tonight. DO NOT INSTALL THESE PACKAGES. If you have already installed the bad packages and are experiencing console lock-up, you can fight your way back by booting to single user mode, setting inittab to runlevel 3. At least your system will work at that level. Next, if you have another machine, you can get the old packages from fedora and downgrade (with the "--oldpackage" option). You can read about this at: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=168750 Bill ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug End of Wlug Digest, Vol 23, Issue 14 ************************************

Sept. 20, 2005

Bad x11 package from fedora

by Bill Mills-Curran

I installed a bad package from fedora over the weekend. xorg-x11.i386 6.8.2-1.FC3.45 There are a total of 13 packages that are associated with the upgrade. This also affects FC4. There is a beta fix that I hope to test tonight. DO NOT INSTALL THESE PACKAGES. If you have already installed the bad packages and are experiencing console lock-up, you can fight your way back by booting to single user mode, setting inittab to runlevel 3. At least your system will work at that level. Next, if you have another machine, you can get the old packages from fedora and downgrade (with the "--oldpackage" option). You can read about this at: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=168750 Bill

Sept. 20, 2005

Re: [Wlug] USB Flash Drive on RH 9

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dick Goodman wrote: > I'm not really fluent in device stuff, but I just configured a RH9 > machine for a project, and was trying to offload some config files to a > flash drive. HI Dick, I've been here recently. :-) First, I would check to see that your device is supported. Many devices don't work with Linux. You'll need the vendor/product info, which from your log is 0xd7d/0x1600. I never buy anything for USB without checking here first. http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/ I took the liberty of checking for you and you may be SOL. The person who made the entry on this site couldn't get the device working either. You might try asking on the Linux USB developers' mailing list - I found them to be very helpful: linux-usb-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDLbNMHl0iXDssISsRApfmAJ4s00+IjzIt1pUI3+gCEEileCy2pQCfc3ei GycWMn3y5tHFZkykMIqtJDA= =pGUi -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 18, 2005

Re: [Wlug] failed graphics

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 08:03:24AM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 10:40:28PM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > Thank god for mutt... My motherboard integrated graphics died this > > evening. It still works in console mode (have to boot to init 3), but > > when I try to start graphics, or go to init 5 -- caput. What I see is > > a most of the firmware boot (e machine logo) with fritzed colors in a > > band across the top -- about 15% of the screen. > > > > I was wondering if I could just add a new card and have that work. To > > do that, I suppose I'd have to find a way to disable the motherboard > > graphics card > > > > Any ideas? If this seems like a good idea, can you recommend a > > reasonable graphics card? I'm not a gamer. The most > > graphics-intensive thing I do is watch a movie. > > > > TIA, > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > Oops. Maybe not hardware... I forgot that I ran up2date yesterday > morning and installed the newest xorg-x11 packages. I also installed > wine (just deinstalled it). I hadn't rebooted after installing the X > packages until the reboot that showed the problems. Hmm... > > Any ideas? > > Is there an "easy" way to revert to the previous version of the X > packages? > > Thanks, > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Well, I downgraded to the earlier xorg-x11 packages and the problem went away. I filed a bug with redhat: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=168631 I did not file one with xorg because this looks like the X software did not change -- it looks like a change by the fedora team caused the problem for me. Bill

Sept. 18, 2005

USB Flash Drive on RH 9

by Dick Goodman

I'm not really fluent in device stuff, but I just configured a RH9 machine for a project, and was trying to offload some config files to a flash drive. After searching, I added to fstab: /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb_flash vfat noauto,user,rw,umask=0 0 0 and did a mkdir /mnt/usb_flash as root here's the log ... only partially recognized ... did a modprobe usb-storage after the "not claimed by any active driver" message...removed and inserted several times... umount obviously not recognized. Sep 18 12:32:45 dvorak kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:07.3-2, assigned address 2 Sep 18 12:32:45 dvorak kernel: usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0xd7d/0x1600) is not claimed by any active driver. Sep 18 12:32:48 dvorak /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: Setup usb-storage for USB product d7d/1600/100 Sep 18 12:32:49 dvorak kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... Sep 18 12:32:49 dvorak kernel: usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage Sep 18 12:32:49 dvorak kernel: usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 2, frame# 1284 Sep 18 12:32:49 dvorak kernel: scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Sep 18 12:35:30 dvorak kernel: resize_dma_pool: unknown device type -1 Sep 18 12:36:39 dvorak kernel: usb.c: USB disconnect on device 00:07.3-2 address 2 Sep 18 12:36:41 dvorak devlabel: devlabel service started/restarted Sep 18 12:36:50 dvorak kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:07.3-2, assigned address 3 Sep 18 12:36:55 dvorak kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout Sep 18 12:36:55 dvorak kernel: usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=3 (error=-110) Sep 18 12:36:55 dvorak kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:07.3-2, assigned address 4 Sep 18 12:37:00 dvorak kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout Sep 18 12:37:00 dvorak kernel: usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=4 (error=-110) Sep 18 12:41:56 dvorak kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:07.3-2, assigned address 5 Sep 18 12:42:01 dvorak kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout Sep 18 12:42:01 dvorak kernel: usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=5 (error=-110) Sep 18 12:42:02 dvorak kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:07.3-2, assigned address 6 Sep 18 12:42:07 dvorak kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout Sep 18 12:42:07 dvorak kernel: usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=6 (error=-110) Any help would be appreciated Dick

Sept. 18, 2005

Re: [Wlug] failed graphics

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 10:40:28PM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Thank god for mutt... My motherboard integrated graphics died this > evening. It still works in console mode (have to boot to init 3), but > when I try to start graphics, or go to init 5 -- caput. What I see is > a most of the firmware boot (e machine logo) with fritzed colors in a > band across the top -- about 15% of the screen. > > I was wondering if I could just add a new card and have that work. To > do that, I suppose I'd have to find a way to disable the motherboard > graphics card > > Any ideas? If this seems like a good idea, can you recommend a > reasonable graphics card? I'm not a gamer. The most > graphics-intensive thing I do is watch a movie. > > TIA, > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Oops. Maybe not hardware... I forgot that I ran up2date yesterday morning and installed the newest xorg-x11 packages. I also installed wine (just deinstalled it). I hadn't rebooted after installing the X packages until the reboot that showed the problems. Hmm... Any ideas? Is there an "easy" way to revert to the previous version of the X packages? Thanks, Bill

Sept. 18, 2005

failed graphics

by Bill Mills-Curran

Thank god for mutt... My motherboard integrated graphics died this evening. It still works in console mode (have to boot to init 3), but when I try to start graphics, or go to init 5 -- caput. What I see is a most of the firmware boot (e machine logo) with fritzed colors in a band across the top -- about 15% of the screen. I was wondering if I could just add a new card and have that work. To do that, I suppose I'd have to find a way to disable the motherboard graphics card Any ideas? If this seems like a good idea, can you recommend a reasonable graphics card? I'm not a gamer. The most graphics-intensive thing I do is watch a movie. TIA, Bill

Sept. 18, 2005

Temp job opening

by Mike Leo

wlug members, I work for a health care company in Wellesely Hills that may soon be looking for a temp linux/windows sys admin. I am not sure if this has been officially announced, so I make no promises, nor do I decide who gets hired, so don't look for favor's, nor be mad if this is false hope. I just wanted to extend the information to the team. However, if you are interested, we might by looking for someone with 3+ years linux support (RH) and a 6+ year windows background. we have 380+ Windows/Novell/linux servers, and the linux piece is growing faster and becoming business critical...thus the need for this person. Being the senior linux person here, I want to dedicate myself to linux, which will leave a gap in the windows support. This new role would be to fill in that windows gap, and support linux with me, bridging the gaps in both areas. This will be only a temp/contract position. Typically the contract is for 3 months, but all other contractors here stay until they find perminant rolls (here or elsewhere). There are also other factors that will be discussed if you make it to the interview process. If interested in submitting a resume, please email me at mleo963(a)yahoo.com and I will put your resume in with our recruiter. Thanks Mike

Sept. 16, 2005

Re: [Wlug] samba & symbolic links

by Marc Hughes

lrwxr-xr-x 1 bcurran bcurran 26 Sep 6 15:35 cookbook -> /expspace/ntdist/cookbook/ Here's a stab at an answer... That output shows that your client sees that file as a symlink. So when the client tries to access it, it knows it's a symlink and trys to follow it instead of the server following it for you. I bet you don't have a /expspace/ntdist/cookbook/ directory on your client? Try making one and see if it accesses that on the client. -Marc On 9/13/05, Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > Karl, > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 03:49:08PM -0400, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > > > > Are you using Absolute links( ex /usr/share ) or Relative (ex > > ../../usr/share)? > > I'm using absolute links, but I did try relative links. I may not > have tried them in conjuction with other changes, such as the "wide > links" samba option. > > > > > What apears as the link on the client? Does the link apear, or is it > > just a empty dir? > > When I do "ls -l" I get a very UNIX-like display. It shows a symbolic > link just like a local file system would show it, with the "->" > notation. > > Here's an example: > > lrwxr-xr-x 1 bcurran bcurran 26 Sep 6 15:35 cookbook -> /expspace/ntdist/cookbook/ > > Note that the owner is not really bcurran -- that changed just like a > typical samba mount. > > The thing that's interesting is that a windows box follows the link > just fine, so I have to conclude that this is a client-side issue. I > recently upgraded from RH9 to fc3, and that's when I noticed this new > (can't follow a link) behavior. > > BTW, I am able to follow a link on the same directory, so I'm assuming > that this is a "cross device" issue. > > Bill > > > > > > > Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > > > >On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 01:14:04PM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > > > > > > > > >>On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 08:35:08AM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>>I have a linux server that's exporting a samba share at a > > >>>windows-dominant site. In a directory of the share, there's a > > >>>symbolic link to a different (non-shared) partition. (We had to move a > > directory due to space limitations.) Windows clients can mount the > > share and follow the symbolic link. My fedora-3 client can mount the > > share (smbmount), but cannot follow the link. I seem to remember that > > a RH 9 client would follow the link. > > >>> > > >>>Any idea what's going on? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>Not sure, but you can try CIFS instead of SMBFS: > > >> > > >>mount -t cifs -o user=<user/workgroup> //server/share /mnt/point > > >> > > >> > > > > > >Chuck, > > > > > >I tried it. It mounted, but the symbolic link behavior was the same. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Bill > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Wlug mailing list > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > --- > > Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > > US VOIP: (1) 603.966.4448 > > Spain Casa (34) 951.273.347 > > Spain Mobil (34) 617.463.826 > > Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto jabber.org=karl_hiramoto > > ------ > > - > > This is NOT a repeat. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > > US VOIP: 603.966.4448 > > Spain Home from US 011(34) 952.859.417 > > Spain Home from EU 00 (34) 952.859.417 > > Spain Mobil 011 (34) 617.463.826 > > Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > > AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 13, 2005

Re: [Wlug] samba & symbolic links

by Bill Mills-Curran

Karl, On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 03:49:08PM -0400, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > > Are you using Absolute links( ex /usr/share ) or Relative (ex > ../../usr/share)? I'm using absolute links, but I did try relative links. I may not have tried them in conjuction with other changes, such as the "wide links" samba option. > > What apears as the link on the client? Does the link apear, or is it > just a empty dir? When I do "ls -l" I get a very UNIX-like display. It shows a symbolic link just like a local file system would show it, with the "->" notation. Here's an example: lrwxr-xr-x 1 bcurran bcurran 26 Sep 6 15:35 cookbook -> /expspace/ntdist/cookbook/ Note that the owner is not really bcurran -- that changed just like a typical samba mount. The thing that's interesting is that a windows box follows the link just fine, so I have to conclude that this is a client-side issue. I recently upgraded from RH9 to fc3, and that's when I noticed this new (can't follow a link) behavior. BTW, I am able to follow a link on the same directory, so I'm assuming that this is a "cross device" issue. Bill > > > Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > >On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 01:14:04PM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > > > > > >>On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 08:35:08AM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > >> > >> > >>>I have a linux server that's exporting a samba share at a > >>>windows-dominant site. In a directory of the share, there's a > >>>symbolic link to a different (non-shared) partition. (We had to move a > directory due to space limitations.) Windows clients can mount the > share and follow the symbolic link. My fedora-3 client can mount the > share (smbmount), but cannot follow the link. I seem to remember that > a RH 9 client would follow the link. > >>> > >>>Any idea what's going on? > >>> > >>> > >>Not sure, but you can try CIFS instead of SMBFS: > >> > >>mount -t cifs -o user=<user/workgroup> //server/share /mnt/point > >> > >> > > > >Chuck, > > > >I tried it. It mounted, but the symbolic link behavior was the same. > > > >Thanks, > >Bill > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > -- > > --- > Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > US VOIP: (1) 603.966.4448 > Spain Casa (34) 951.273.347 > Spain Mobil (34) 617.463.826 > Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto jabber.org=karl_hiramoto > ------ > - > This is NOT a repeat. > > > > > > -- > Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > US VOIP: 603.966.4448 > Spain Home from US 011(34) 952.859.417 > Spain Home from EU 00 (34) 952.859.417 > Spain Mobil 011 (34) 617.463.826 > Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 13, 2005

Re: [Wlug] samba & symbolic links

by Karl Hiramoto

Are you using Absolute links( ex /usr/share ) or Relative (ex ../../usr/share)? What apears as the link on the client? Does the link apear, or is it just a empty dir? Bill Mills-Curran wrote: >On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 01:14:04PM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > > >>On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 08:35:08AM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: >> >> >>>I have a linux server that's exporting a samba share at a >>>windows-dominant site. In a directory of the share, there's a >>>symbolic link to a different (non-shared) partition. (We had to move a directory due to space limitations.) Windows clients can mount the share and follow the symbolic link. My fedora-3 client can mount the share (smbmount), but cannot follow the link. I seem to remember that a RH 9 client would follow the link. >>> >>>Any idea what's going on? >>> >>> >>Not sure, but you can try CIFS instead of SMBFS: >> >>mount -t cifs -o user=<user/workgroup> //server/share /mnt/point >> >> > >Chuck, > >I tried it. It mounted, but the symbolic link behavior was the same. > >Thanks, >Bill >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > -- --- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> US VOIP: (1) 603.966.4448 Spain Casa (34) 951.273.347 Spain Mobil (34) 617.463.826 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto jabber.org=karl_hiramoto ------ - This is NOT a repeat. -- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> US VOIP: 603.966.4448 Spain Home from US 011(34) 952.859.417 Spain Home from EU 00 (34) 952.859.417 Spain Mobil 011 (34) 617.463.826 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto

Sept. 13, 2005

Re: [Wlug] LVM snapshot questions.

by John Stoffel

Adam> o Are snapshots persistent across reboots? If not by default, can Adam> they be made to be persistent? >From what I know, LVM snapshots aren't that reliable, but I admit I haven't touched them lately. Adam> o How many snapshots can I have at once? Bunches I think, but... Adam> Last year I took advantage of one of those occasional Tiger Adam> Direct ( shameless plug ;) deals to get myself a 200GB drive for Adam> 50 bucks. I am using the drive to backup my machines. Right Adam> now I backup once a month by copying the user data from my Adam> iBook, my wife's iMac, and my Knoppix laptop to the drive. Each Adam> time it comes to about 15GB total. I am beginning to fill the Adam> drive, so I want to design a more efficient way of using it with Adam> OSS tools. My plan is this: What some people do is use 'rbackup' which will only backup those files which actually change, and hardlink to the un-changed ones. This way each snapshot looks complete, but they're actually fairly compressed. http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ And google for "rbackup rsync snapshot" and you'll get more hits. Adam> o Acquire a cheap used PIII pc. Install the 200GB drive and Centos Adam> (for familiarity's sake, RHEL is one of the distros I use at work) sounds good. I've been looking to setup a main home file/backup/mysql/http server type device with lots of disk. But I want it to be *quiet* so I can just leave it on all the time and not worry about noise bothering people. Unlike my current do everything box which is loud. One of the Via EPIC boards looks nice, if it could hold enough disks to make a good RAID5 setup with hotspare. John

Sept. 13, 2005

Re: [Wlug] samba & symbolic links

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 01:14:04PM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 08:35:08AM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > I have a linux server that's exporting a samba share at a > > windows-dominant site. In a directory of the share, there's a > > symbolic link to a different (non-shared) partition. (We had to move > > a directory due to space limitations.) Windows clients can mount the > > share and follow the symbolic link. My fedora-3 client can mount the > > share (smbmount), but cannot follow the link. I seem to remember that > > a RH 9 client would follow the link. > > > > Any idea what's going on? > > Not sure, but you can try CIFS instead of SMBFS: > > mount -t cifs -o user=<user/workgroup> //server/share /mnt/point Chuck, I tried it. It mounted, but the symbolic link behavior was the same. Thanks, Bill

Sept. 13, 2005

Re: [Wlug] samba & symbolic links

by Chuck Anderson

On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 08:35:08AM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > I have a linux server that's exporting a samba share at a > windows-dominant site. In a directory of the share, there's a > symbolic link to a different (non-shared) partition. (We had to move > a directory due to space limitations.) Windows clients can mount the > share and follow the symbolic link. My fedora-3 client can mount the > share (smbmount), but cannot follow the link. I seem to remember that > a RH 9 client would follow the link. > > Any idea what's going on? Not sure, but you can try CIFS instead of SMBFS: mount -t cifs -o user=<user/workgroup> //server/share /mnt/point

Sept. 13, 2005

samba & symbolic links

by Bill Mills-Curran

I have a linux server that's exporting a samba share at a windows-dominant site. In a directory of the share, there's a symbolic link to a different (non-shared) partition. (We had to move a directory due to space limitations.) Windows clients can mount the share and follow the symbolic link. My fedora-3 client can mount the share (smbmount), but cannot follow the link. I seem to remember that a RH 9 client would follow the link. Any idea what's going on? Thanks, Bill

Sept. 13, 2005

Re: [Wlug] workspace selection by app?

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 12:49:03PM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 09:41:31AM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > Is there a way to have an application start in all gnome workspaces? > > For my particular need, I am using xmessage to inform me of specific > > events on my machine. To make it harder to lose track of the xmessage > > (pop-up) window, I'd like it to display in all my workspaces. I > > figure there's some magic setting in gconf (or, even better, an X > > display setting), but I can't find any documentation on it. > > Your window manager controls this. For Metacity at least, you can set > the window to appear "On All Workspaces" and this setting should be > rememberd across session restarts. Chuck, I guess that's a way to try to find the settings in gconf. Make the change as you suggest, log out (using the "save current settings" option), then see what shows up in gconf. Thanks, Bill

Sept. 11, 2005

Re: [Wlug] workspace selection by app?

by Chuck Anderson

On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 09:41:31AM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Is there a way to have an application start in all gnome workspaces? > For my particular need, I am using xmessage to inform me of specific > events on my machine. To make it harder to lose track of the xmessage > (pop-up) window, I'd like it to display in all my workspaces. I > figure there's some magic setting in gconf (or, even better, an X > display setting), but I can't find any documentation on it. Your window manager controls this. For Metacity at least, you can set the window to appear "On All Workspaces" and this setting should be rememberd across session restarts.

Sept. 11, 2005

Re: [Wlug] books for sale

by Jared Greenwald

I'll take the Samba book... On 9/11/05, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Does anyone have an interest in these books? > > $5 a piece and I can bring them to the next meeting. > > All proceeds to go directly to the wlug general fund. > > Let me know.... > mike > > > www.leotree.com/books > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 11, 2005

books for sale

by Mike Leo

Does anyone have an interest in these books? $5 a piece and I can bring them to the next meeting. All proceeds to go directly to the wlug general fund. Let me know.... mike www.leotree.com/books

Sept. 11, 2005

workspace selection by app?

by Bill Mills-Curran

Is there a way to have an application start in all gnome workspaces? For my particular need, I am using xmessage to inform me of specific events on my machine. To make it harder to lose track of the xmessage (pop-up) window, I'd like it to display in all my workspaces. I figure there's some magic setting in gconf (or, even better, an X display setting), but I can't find any documentation on it. Any ideas? Thanks, Bill

Sept. 10, 2005

LVM snapshot questions.

by Adam Keck

Hello All, I have several questions about LVM snapshots. o Are snapshots persistent across reboots? If not by default, can they be made to be persistent? o How many snapshots can I have at once? o Is there some in-depth documentation out there on just the snapshot aspects of LVM? I spent about an hour googling for this info, but couldn't find what I needed. Why am I interested in this? Last year I took advantage of one of those occasional Tiger Direct ( shameless plug ;) deals to get myself a 200GB drive for 50 bucks. I am using the drive to backup my machines. Right now I backup once a month by copying the user data from my iBook, my wife's iMac, and my Knoppix laptop to the drive. Each time it comes to about 15GB total. I am beginning to fill the drive, so I want to design a more efficient way of using it with OSS tools. My plan is this: o Acquire a cheap used PIII pc. Install the 200GB drive and Centos (for familiarity's sake, RHEL is one of the distros I use at work) o Make an LVM partition on the drive. o Designate half the drive to data and half the drive to snapshot space. o Rsync every machine weekly. Prior to each rsync, snapshot the drive. o Keep as many snapshots as will fit. Presumably this will be many more "full" backups that I can hold than by just copying stuff to the drive outright. I am downloading Centos right now to test this scheme. I thought I would ask while I wait for bit torrent. Has anyone tried something similar to this? -Adam

Sept. 10, 2005

Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 23, Issue 4

by joel d

Hi, Based on one of our post-meeting pizza discussions last night I thought I would send an e-mail (something I do so rarely). Here is a site that has a good selection of WIFI gear (APs/amps/antennas). I have never ordered from them but they appear to have a good selection of radio gear. http://www.fab-corp.com/ A few ideas to remember: 1) A stronger omni directional antenna (greater db numbers) will improve both your transmit and receive and both are important for range for WIFI. 2) Directional antennas must be aimed at the other radio. You get more gain, but they are usually not the solution if you want to wander your house/deck/yard with the laptop. 3) Amplifiers have downsides; 1) another device to power 2) another device to fail later 3) a good one runs around $200 with both transmit amp and receive pre-amp. 4) Antennas are rated in decibels (db). Most antennas on access points are round 3db - 5db. In terms of signal strength an increase of 3db is a doubling of effective power (Ex 3db to 9db is roughtly 400% stronger). 5) The weakest link in WIFI is usually the card and particularly the internal antenna in the laptop on the far end. 6) You do not succeed unless both devices can both "transmit" and "receive" the other radio. 7) Selection of a feed cable for an external antenna is VERY important. At 2+ghz frequencies a long cable (>1 foot) or a poor quality cable will loose everything you are trying to gain with a better "numbers" antenna. >From a local computer AND radio geek, Joel Desrochers

Sept. 9, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Upcoming Meeting

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Andy Stewart wrote: > > HI Everybody, AAAhhhhhhhh!! I blew it....the website it correct, my email is bogus. The meeting is indeed Thursday, Sept. 8th !! I can't believe I did that....my apologies. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDH4edHl0iXDssISsRAuo1AJ4/DBQn+ieS1A0jvitSV0sOhmSepQCfWiMu ReeRrYPs2EjQG6Nsa04HmbE= =+qj+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 8, 2005

Reminder: Upcoming Meeting

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, We have a WLUG meeting scheduled for Thursday, Sept. 15 at 7:00 PM in the Access Grid room at WPI. I'm not sure of the topic, but if nothing better turns up, I'll start babbling about my most recent USB experience (which started unpleasantly but ultimately had a happy ending), and we can segue from there into whatever topic people wish to discuss. Bring your Linux problems and try to stump the audience. :-) I'll bring my iAudio G3 MP3/Ogg player since a couple of people said they wanted to see it. I had hoped to have it at the last meeting but it wasn't shipped to me in time. Naturally, we'll go out for pizza after the meeting. We can discuss the insanity of looting televisions during a flood crisis, the possibility of adding anti-DRM language to GPL v3, and whatever else we find interesting. See ya then! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDHmZ4Hl0iXDssISsRAka9AJ9HkAi7ZYGZfg7JokWZFeuzWbGK/wCfeJ9D yEQ7aHTYE9/JB6zT4fJUl0I= =8ain -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 7, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SuSE dual [core] frustration.... - update

by Adam Keck

Hi All, I am having much better luck with the SuSE kernel-smp-2.6.11.4-21.8 kernel. The dual core machine boots normally (i.e. without maxcpus=1) and /proc/cpuinfo shows the four cores. Unfortunately, the SuSE's (9.3) particular iteration of the forcedeth module seems to be having trouble with the networking bits of the nforce4 SLI chipset. Rather than dipping into the SuSE kernel-of-the-day development builds, I think I am going to drop in an Intel NIC in order to move forward. I will send an update when we put the machine through its paces. -Adam p.s. I just found a shrink-wrapped Maxell Mammoth cleaning tape and an upwrapped unused Compaq DLT IV tape in a moving bin. I don't need them anymore. I will let the DLT IV go for 15.00 and the cleaning tape go for 5.00. Email me off list if you are interested. I can bring them to the Sept. meeting. On Jul 27, 2005, at 7:06 PM, Andy Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > HI Adam et al, > > As you may recall, I had a lot of trouble with SuSE and lockups on my > dual Opteron system until I upgraded to a stock 2.6.12 kernel (not the > SuSE supplied kernel). I haven't tried any kernel version beyond that > because what I have actually works and is reliable. I'd be curious to > know what kernel version you use and what result you have with it. > > Later, > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFC6BOEHl0iXDssISsRAtOZAJ0VXJh3ItUMnhGWz52z0nDz3NFsTACeOLgL > yxWAPWkJnE43XGnpv2WDI0k= > =mBD8 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 5, 2005

Linux Job opportunity

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If interested, please send me email, and I'll send you the contact information. The job is located in Massachusetts near the intersection of Rt 3 and Rt 128. === LINUX Technical Lead: Job Functions: Serve as a technical lead responsible for bringup, test and development of LINUX operating systems on server platforms. Responsibilities of this role are to: * Define and execute on bring-up, test and development strategy for LINUX * Interact with internal and external teams to ensure that LINUX requirements are met * Identify technical risks within the project and plans to manage them * Root cause bugs and implement corrective actions * Provide input to management on project milestones and schedule * Give periodic technical status updates to management and engineering teams. Skills: * Experience with industry standard LINUX operating systems * Experience with X86 architecture * Project delivery experience * Strong leadership skills * Ability to effectively communicate with wide variety of functional teams (system hardware, system software, QA, operating systems, manufacturing test, field engineering) * Effective in lab bring-up environment * Ability to root cause hardware/software issues in the lab * Strong hardware and software skills 10+ years experience === - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDGE/RHl0iXDssISsRAms0AJ94Ror2w0Vsr/Hh2yC2N1/Xcq15qACfco9s +N5grzVwMGmiUX6g4m4ZW1M= =4x/C -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 2, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Speaking of interesting meetings...

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bill Smith wrote: > Le Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:56:17 -0400 > >>This month, I've been debugging USB problems on my server, and I >>think I may have made some progress on USB 1.x, but not on USB 2.x. >>I'm not sure if this is a meeting topic - howto get stuff to work on >>USB and how to debug it if it does not. >> >>Your thoughts? > > Does this involve fixing problems with USB devices that have worked > with Linux in the past, or it more along the lines of hacking devices > that don't have working drivers? I've been playing around with my MP3 player and trying to make it work on my server. It works fine on my laptop. The MP3 player is a usb_storage device (iAudio G3). I didn't hack any drivers, nor have I ever. I had thought that perhaps I could start a discussion of this topic, where folks would kick in their 2 cents worth, and collectively we'd come away with more knowledge about using Linux and USB. Its just a thought - I'm not sure anybody is interested, or perhaps this is old hat to most of you. Since we have an upcoming meeting on Sept. 8th, I'm looking for ideas, and thought this might be one. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDF5yhHl0iXDssISsRAmVtAJ0do8qhIUpbb0/ls4xts5ejAYfFiACeMMg/ 9oAVbxvGPOJ1Xp/VJtAMJk0= =VFBz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 2, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Speaking of interesting meetings...

by Bill Smith

Le Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:56:17 -0400 > This month, I've been debugging USB problems on my server, and I > think I may have made some progress on USB 1.x, but not on USB 2.x. > I'm not sure if this is a meeting topic - howto get stuff to work on > USB and how to debug it if it does not. > > Your thoughts? Does this involve fixing problems with USB devices that have worked with Linux in the past, or it more along the lines of hacking devices that don't have working drivers? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com The minute you say you can't, you won't... ...and then you fail. * TAG! v3.1a *

Sept. 1, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 22, Issue 18

by John Stoffel

Carlton> I've done software RAID (RAID0 and RAID5) for a long time and Carlton> never had to use an initrd image. Just have a 100 MB boot Carlton> partition on one drive, and set root=/dev/md0 in grub. For me, the whole idea of booting of RAID is so that I can lose either disk, and not really notice. Currently, I don't have that. And since my main test system is also my main work system at home, I'm loathe to screw with it much. *grin* Carlton> This is with two 60GB WD HD's and one 80 GB (which has the Carlton> bootable 100 MB partition). If you RAID it all, well, guess Carlton> you need an initrd (please correct me if I'm wrong). As far as I know, yes you do need an initrd (or initramfs now?) to make it work properly. Carlton> As far as RAID1 and RAID5, isn't RAID5 strictly better, if Carlton> you have the HD's? I mean, just lose 1/3 of the storage for Carlton> total mirroring and you have to lose 2 HD's to lose your Carlton> data. Why would someone choose RAID1 over RAID5 (just Carlton> curious)? I did have a RAID5 system set up, but decided to Carlton> change it over to RAID0 and use an external Maxtor drive for Carlton> backup (just simple rsync). RAID0 = stripping RAID1 = mirroring RAID5 = parity RAID5 suffers on write performance when compared to RAID1, since if you write a small chunk of data, RAID5 may have to actually READ/COMPUTE PARITY/WRITE to all the drives. With RAID1, it's a simple parallel write to each drive. No READ overhead. RAID5 can generally just lose 1 disk from the set without losing data. RAID1 can lose 1/2 the mirror without losing data. How you implement your RAID1 setup across more than two disks is an issue. I choose RAID1 over RAID5 because I only had space for two drives, and I only had an HPT302 with dual channels, so I put one disk on each channel for maximum peformance. If I had more money and a 3ware controller, I probably would have gone for RAID5 on my data, since it has a size/cost advantage over RAID1. I would NEVER go for RAID0 for my data, too much potential for data loss. Even with backups. Carlton> Personally, I feel if you compile a couple of kernels it Carlton> really becomes old hat, I mean, once you know how to do it Carlton> it's no big deal. Same with RAID systems. But that would be Carlton> an interesting meeting, nonetheless. Exactly, it would be an interesting meeting to show people how easy it is to implement, and hopefully how robust it is as well, esp if you lose your primary harddisk. Can you boot cleanly from the secondary one? You have updated the MBR on that disk, right? Carlton> I've never had a problem and found I needed initrd to get Carlton> something to work. What are the benefits of using it? >From what I know, the advantage/requirement of using an initrd is that you can boot off of a funky device, since you first boot into a small OS image with all the tools you need to setup and switch to your main filesystems. In my case, I've got a pair of 9gb SCSI disks, and I currently boot off one. My plan has always been to mirror the two disks so that if I lost one, I could still boot. My data is all on a pair of 120gb IDE drives, which are mirrored, and which have saved me from ugly restores, because I noticed that one disk had dropped out and I was able to just re-mirror without any major impact. John

Sept. 1, 2005

Speaking of interesting meetings...

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ...what do you all propose for a topic for the Sept. 8 meeting? More importantly, does anybody want to do a presentation or lead the discussion? This month, I've been debugging USB problems on my server, and I think I may have made some progress on USB 1.x, but not on USB 2.x. I'm not sure if this is a meeting topic - howto get stuff to work on USB and how to debug it if it does not. Your thoughts? Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDFlGxHl0iXDssISsRAneXAJ0Rkqhwc9rkJ60lsWDUKA0UQdNGKQCeKwCG Ed27RqXttkP9STLCkoo2OQ0= =4xsk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 1, 2005

Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 22, Issue 18

by Carlton C. Stedman II

Re: Bootable RAID system > I keep waffling back and forth between RAID1 (mirroring) and RAID5. > And I keep waffling between booting from RAID or not. Part of the > problem is that to boot off raid, you need to build a intrd image, and > since I do a bunch of kernel compiles and reboots all the time (say > once a week or so...) I've been a bit leary of all that. I've done software RAID (RAID0 and RAID5) for a long time and never had to use an initrd image. Just have a 100 MB boot partition on one drive, and set root=/dev/md0 in grub. This is with two 60GB WD HD's and one 80 GB (which has the bootable 100 MB partition). If you RAID it all, well, guess you need an initrd (please correct me if I'm wrong). As far as RAID1 and RAID5, isn't RAID5 strictly better, if you have the HD's? I mean, just lose 1/3 of the storage for total mirroring and you have to lose 2 HD's to lose your data. Why would someone choose RAID1 over RAID5 (just curious)? I did have a RAID5 system set up, but decided to change it over to RAID0 and use an external Maxtor drive for backup (just simple rsync). > Now that would be a good meeting some evening, talking about and > showing how to setup a bootable RAID system for the OS and how to > upgrade your kernel easily and automatically. Personally, I feel if you compile a couple of kernels it really becomes old hat, I mean, once you know how to do it it's no big deal. Same with RAID systems. But that would be an interesting meeting, nonetheless. > Let me rephrase your reasoning: You don't want to use an initrd because > you aren't familiar with the process. Just because you do a lot of kernel > builds/reboots (and your definition of a lot is my definition of very few, > here), that is no reason not to use an initrd. I've never had a problem and found I needed initrd to get something to work. What are the benefits of using it? - Carlton

Sept. 1, 2005

Re: [Wlug] PCI IDE card?

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] PCI IDE card?; "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> adds: Chuck> Most IDE/SATA RAID (especially onboard) is shite and completely not Chuck> worth using, to the point that Linux software RAID is vastly Chuck> superior. Even if I had a so-called "RAID" chipset on my Chuck> motherboard, I'd disable it and use software RAID. [snip] john> I keep waffling back and forth between RAID1 (mirroring) and RAID5. john> And I keep waffling between booting from RAID or not. Part of the If you don't boot from RAID, then you still have a single point of failure. It's quite possible that this is a fine solution for your home setup. john> problem is that to boot off raid, you need to build a intrd image, john> and since I do a bunch of kernel compiles and reboots all the time john> (say once a week or so...) I've been a bit leary of all that. Let me rephrase your reasoning: You don't want to use an initrd because you aren't familiar with the process. Just because you do a lot of kernel builds/reboots (and your definition of a lot is my definition of very few, here), that is no reason not to use an initrd. What distribution do you use? You could simply use the packaging scripts that they provide to build your custom kernels. This, in the end, would be the best solution in my opinion. john> Now that would be a good meeting some evening, talking about and john> showing how to setup a bootable RAID system for the OS and how to john> upgrade your kernel easily and automatically. Two separate issues, I think. -Jeff

Aug. 31, 2005

Re: [Wlug] PCI IDE card?

by John Stoffel

Chuck> Most IDE/SATA RAID (especially onboard) is shite and completely Chuck> not worth using, to the point that Linux software RAID is Chuck> vastly superior. Even if I had a so-called "RAID" chipset on Chuck> my motherboard, I'd disable it and use software RAID. I've been looking into HW RAID for my home setup, just because with 120gb drives, it's almost impossible to backup to tape, esp when your DLT7k starts flaking out on you. I keep waffling back and forth between RAID1 (mirroring) and RAID5. And I keep waffling between booting from RAID or not. Part of the problem is that to boot off raid, you need to build a intrd image, and since I do a bunch of kernel compiles and reboots all the time (say once a week or so...) I've been a bit leary of all that. Now that would be a good meeting some evening, talking about and showing how to setup a bootable RAID system for the OS and how to upgrade your kernel easily and automatically. Sure, I know there are tutorials out there, somewhere, I just haven't had time to play with it. So for now, I compromise and boot off a single disk for the OS, but my data is mirrored. Works well so far. John

Aug. 31, 2005

Re: [Wlug] PCI IDE card?

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 02:07:04AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > yeah, the nice thing about IDE raids is that they're dirt cheap to setup for a > ton of storage ... the problem with IDE raids is that they're dirt cheap > hardware :) > > my new A8N-SLI mobo is nice in that it has onboard SATA raid ... maybe once i > get some $$$ saved up i can blow it on some more SATA raptors ... probably > not though, those WPI loans suck Most IDE/SATA RAID (especially onboard) is shite and completely not worth using, to the point that Linux software RAID is vastly superior. Even if I had a so-called "RAID" chipset on my motherboard, I'd disable it and use software RAID.

Aug. 31, 2005

Re: [Wlug] PCI IDE card?

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 30 August 2005 05:04 pm, John Stoffel wrote: > Mike> i want to say a highpoint card ... like HPT3xx > > I've been using my HPT302 without any problems for quite a while now. > But I'm not letting it go right now... at least not until I get a SATA > 3ware controller at some point. :] yeah, the nice thing about IDE raids is that they're dirt cheap to setup for a ton of storage ... the problem with IDE raids is that they're dirt cheap hardware :) my new A8N-SLI mobo is nice in that it has onboard SATA raid ... maybe once i get some $$$ saved up i can blow it on some more SATA raptors ... probably not though, those WPI loans suck anyone have experience with SATA drives and have any recommendations ? ive only heard good things about the WD raptors and i must say, the one i have for my system drive is awesome -mike

Aug. 31, 2005

Re: [Wlug] PCI IDE card?

by John Stoffel

Mike> i want to say a highpoint card ... like HPT3xx I've been using my HPT302 without any problems for quite a while now. But I'm not letting it go right now... at least not until I get a SATA 3ware controller at some point. :]

Aug. 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] PCI IDE card?

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 30 August 2005 02:19 pm, Keller, Tim wrote: > Sounds like either a promise or a 3ware card... i want to say a highpoint card ... like HPT3xx -mike

Aug. 30, 2005

RE: [Wlug] PCI IDE card?

by Keller, Tim

Sounds like either a promise or a 3ware card... -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Mike Frysinger Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 2:05 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] PCI IDE card? On Tuesday 30 August 2005 01:57 pm, Tim Trachimowicz wrote: > I've got a couple of flavors on Linux running on my machine and I'm > looking to add another HD to the system to get another couple of distros > running. If you're like me, you've probably got boxes of random > computer parts sitting around your desk/office "waiting" to be put to > good use... The one thing I >>don't<< have is a PCI card that'll add an > extra IDE channel. Does anyone have an old one they'd part with? I'd > gladly pay for it but donations are also accepted. :) I'm in > Worcester/Framingham and can easily pick it up... Thanks! actually i have a 66mhz card i was using in a raid, but i dont need it anymore since ive dismantled said raid, so you're welcome to it i forget exactly what it is, but linux-2.4 and linux-2.6 have drivers for it and they seemed pretty solid -mike _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] PCI IDE card?

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 30 August 2005 01:57 pm, Tim Trachimowicz wrote: > I've got a couple of flavors on Linux running on my machine and I'm > looking to add another HD to the system to get another couple of distros > running. If you're like me, you've probably got boxes of random > computer parts sitting around your desk/office "waiting" to be put to > good use... The one thing I >>don't<< have is a PCI card that'll add an > extra IDE channel. Does anyone have an old one they'd part with? I'd > gladly pay for it but donations are also accepted. :) I'm in > Worcester/Framingham and can easily pick it up... Thanks! actually i have a 66mhz card i was using in a raid, but i dont need it anymore since ive dismantled said raid, so you're welcome to it i forget exactly what it is, but linux-2.4 and linux-2.6 have drivers for it and they seemed pretty solid -mike

Aug. 30, 2005

SR Solaris position

by Ritacco, Alan

All, I have posted in the past here (successfully once) regarding job opening(s) at UMASS Medical School in Worcester MA. A SR Unix (Solaris) Admin position is now open and is accepting resumes. Thanks Al

Aug. 30, 2005

PCI IDE card?

by Tim Trachimowicz

I've got a couple of flavors on Linux running on my machine and I'm looking to add another HD to the system to get another couple of distros running. If you're like me, you've probably got boxes of random computer parts sitting around your desk/office "waiting" to be put to good use... The one thing I >>don't<< have is a PCI card that'll add an extra IDE channel. Does anyone have an old one they'd part with? I'd gladly pay for it but donations are also accepted. :) I'm in Worcester/Framingham and can easily pick it up... Thanks! --Track

Aug. 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Stream rippers

by Clint Moyer

You can use mplayer. There was an article on it in the last Linux Journal. > > From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> > Date: 2005/08/29 Mon AM 01:09:45 EDT > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Subject: [Wlug] Stream rippers > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > HI gang, > > Does anybody have a favorite stream ripper that they'd like to recommend? > > FYI, a stream ripper (as I've very recently learned) is a program which > "listens" to a streaming audio broadcast and saves that information on > your hard drive. Streaming audio broadcasts are available on > shoutcast.com and icecast.org, and probably many other places. > > I'm using a program called 'streamripper' (strangely enough) which I > found at http://streamripper.sourceforge.net/. I'm wondering what > others might be using. It has a feature where songs can be saved as > individual .mp3 (or .ogg) files, or the whole stream can be saved in one > file. I've downloaded these songs into my portable MP3 player for later > enjoyment. > > There seems to be some controversy about the use of such programs. > Frankly, I don't see it as any different than holding a microphone in > front of the radio. Granted, the quality is much better with a ripper. > > Prior to learning something about stream rippers, I had been using the > Ogg encoder output feature of xmms while xmms was "tuned" to a streaming > audio broadcast. As I understand it, this involves taking the stream > source (an MP3 stream generally) and re-encoding it into the Ogg format, > which technically involves a loss of quality (can I hear it? I'm not > sure...). > > Later, > > Andy > > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFDEpiZHl0iXDssISsRAugEAJ9sXsJT2J56YFD+h5SGQJE8EhW15ACcDa2M > WYtthInJlx1HOEV9P6IfvHc= > =0/fb > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 29, 2005

Stream rippers

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI gang, Does anybody have a favorite stream ripper that they'd like to recommend? FYI, a stream ripper (as I've very recently learned) is a program which "listens" to a streaming audio broadcast and saves that information on your hard drive. Streaming audio broadcasts are available on shoutcast.com and icecast.org, and probably many other places. I'm using a program called 'streamripper' (strangely enough) which I found at http://streamripper.sourceforge.net/. I'm wondering what others might be using. It has a feature where songs can be saved as individual .mp3 (or .ogg) files, or the whole stream can be saved in one file. I've downloaded these songs into my portable MP3 player for later enjoyment. There seems to be some controversy about the use of such programs. Frankly, I don't see it as any different than holding a microphone in front of the radio. Granted, the quality is much better with a ripper. Prior to learning something about stream rippers, I had been using the Ogg encoder output feature of xmms while xmms was "tuned" to a streaming audio broadcast. As I understand it, this involves taking the stream source (an MP3 stream generally) and re-encoding it into the Ogg format, which technically involves a loss of quality (can I hear it? I'm not sure...). Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDEpiZHl0iXDssISsRAugEAJ9sXsJT2J56YFD+h5SGQJE8EhW15ACcDa2M WYtthInJlx1HOEV9P6IfvHc= =0/fb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 29, 2005

report from KDE confrence in Malaga

by Karl Hiramoto

I'm at the KDE conference: http://conference2005.kde.org/ Saw a good presentation this morning on a groupware (exchange replacement) software: http://kolab.org/ It works with kontact, outlook plugin, and web interface. Then saw a kde power users talk where i saw some cool stuff. for example. in konquerer to open a sftp like session where you can drag and drop files in the URL go to: fish://sshserver For viewing the ls man pages in konquerer for example: man:/ls Gota go now, leaving the conference to go to a friends wedding... -- -- Karl Hiramoto US VOIP: (+1) 603.966.4448 Spain Casa (+34)951.273.347 Spain Mobil (+34) 617.463.826 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto jabber.org=karl_hiramoto

Aug. 27, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Manuals for Monitors

by Jared Greenwald

http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/mag/dx15f.html On 8/25/05, Tom Misilo <tmisilo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering if anybody knew where to get a manual for a Mag > Innovision DX15F monitor. As I need to find out the Hz and Refresh > rates so I can use nVidia's TwinView > > Thanks, > > Tom > -- > Tom Misilo > AIM:Tmisilo FL > MSN:tmisilo@gmail.com > Jabber:tmisilo@jabber.org > Skype: tmisilo > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 26, 2005

Manuals for Monitors

by Tom Misilo

Hi, I was wondering if anybody knew where to get a manual for a Mag Innovision DX15F monitor. As I need to find out the Hz and Refresh rates so I can use nVidia's TwinView Thanks, Tom -- Tom Misilo AIM:Tmisilo FL MSN:tmisilo@gmail.com Jabber:tmisilo@jabber.org Skype: tmisilo

Aug. 25, 2005

[Fwd: Attention LUG President, Officer or Represenative]

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Attention LUG President, Officer or Represenative Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:55:05 -0400 From: mike <mike(a)bcpub.com> To: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> Hello, Andy, We are a group of developers (also members of the Athens Area LUG) who have started a business called TuxDelux.com, which sells t-shirts with Tux the Penguin on them. We want to reach as many Linux Users as possible, and as such, we are interested in reaching out your members. We want to abide by your LUG's policies and procedures on soliciting to members. If you have specific policies and procedures regarding solicitaion, please let us know the steps we need to take in order to reach your members. Thank you for your time and consideration. Michael McSteen Bryan Dumm TuxDelux.com - ------------------------------------------------ btw- if you were wondering, we are starting this project to have some fun as well as help support our development project (http://projectamin.org) If you are interested in learning more about Project AMIN or xml administration we would be willing to present some of our ideas to your group, provided its not too far away or too cost prohibitive :) another btw- if you simply want to share information about TuxDelux.com with your members, below is a copy of our press release. If you have any questions and/or policies and procedures, please contact me at: support(a)tuxdelux.com or mike(a)bcpub.com Thanks again! - ------------------------------------------------- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Tux Delux LLC c/o Michael McSteen 175 Second Street Athens, Ohio 45701 support(a)tuxdelux.com Announcing a New Online Store for Tux T-shirts Still waiting to get that fabulous Tux t-shirt? Wait no more. Now you can get a Tux T-shirt and help out the Linux community! Introducing TuxDelux (http://tuxdelux.com) a new online store solely devoted to marketing and promoting Tux the Penguin. The brainchild of two Linux enthusiasts, Bryan Dumm and Michael McSteen, TuxDelux is an effort to increase public awareness of Linux by shamelessly marketing and promoting Tux the Penguin, the adopted mascot of the Linux community. "We don't see Tux as much as we should. We don't see it on the street, in the stores or in any media." said Dumm. "We want to change that." The two originally thought of the idea for Tux Delux while attending a recent conference. They saw a lot of logos and icons promoting individual software programs and corporations, but nothing promoting the Linux. "Mike and I always talk about the need for 'Place' (one of the four P's of marketing) for Linux. The same holds true for 'Promotion'," Dumm explained. Both Dumm and McSteen think one of the best ways to introduce the public to Linux is by introducing them to Tux the Penguin. They hope that the more the Linux community promotes Tux, the more the general public will be curious about Linux. "We want people to ask, 'hey, what's up with the penguin?' We want to peak people's curiosity about Tux and Linux," McSteen stated. "We think Tux is a fantastic image and that the Linux community needs to rally around him to market and promote Linux," Dumm added. Tuxdelux.com currently offers eight different Tux designs, including the original. The company plans to introduce several new designs over the next couple of months. Visit tuxdelux.com to find out more. If you have any questions, please contact Michael McSteen at: support(a)tuxdelux.com ### - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDDO23Hl0iXDssISsRArLPAJ9Q4xYWMQ8Iyx6+49N+No8g5Q2NDgCbBfwP ylGq1ngY0AdhK6FP3Eyxsck= =D7Lq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 24, 2005

Re: [Wlug] playing (movie) DVD's?

by Brett Russ

On 8/16/05, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > I use xine with the kaffeine GUI. I had to build xine from source since > the version supplied by SuSE is "crippled". You can also get the binary packages from packman, which is what I did. Here's what I did for mplayer/AVI/WMV support, you could do something similar for xine/decss/dvd I suppose (on suse of course): http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13936188 BR

Aug. 16, 2005

Re: [Wlug] playing (movie) DVD's?

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brett Russ wrote: > On 8/16/05, Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: >>What application do you use for playing movie DVD's on linux. I'm >>running fc3. I use xine with the kaffeine GUI. I had to build xine from source since the version supplied by SuSE is "crippled". Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDAm6XHl0iXDssISsRAjOaAJ4q0Xjne7He5ahfYmWn9lRzXhZZmgCfWFsO UmRowhP5IUxcz3Ul/ZYGqSA= =xakR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 16, 2005

Re: [Wlug] playing (movie) DVD's?

by Brett Russ

On 8/16/05, Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > What application do you use for playing movie DVD's on linux. I'm > running fc3. I had luck with Xine but I'm running SuSE and couldn't tell you what pkgs you'd need for FC3. I believe I had to also install libDeCSS to decrypt. BR

Aug. 16, 2005

Re: [Wlug] playing (movie) DVD's?

by Mike Leo

xine & totem (which is gui for mplayer). --- Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > What application do you use for playing movie DVD's > on linux. I'm > running fc3. > > Thanks, > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 16, 2005