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Re: [Wlug] Help! part 3

by Michael Long

Up to this point I have only installed SuSE and upgraded my system with SuSE upgrade tools. I am now in the process of learning how file systems work so I might as well learn how to build and install a new kernel. Can you point me to a good HOW-TO or some other documentation explaining how to upgrade a kernel or is google my best bet? Thanks, mike > reiserfsck now has no errors? > > reiserfsck -V what version are you using? > > I would also recommend using kernel 2.4.19 as recommended on: > http://www.namesys.com/download.html > > also use the latest reiserfs tools. download and install > reiserfsprogs-3.6.8.tar.gz the latest version might be able to fix > your problem. > > > On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Michael Long wrote: > > > It just completed and no bac blocks were found. Any other suggestions? > > > > > man badblocks > > > > > > i usually do badblocks -vs -c 256 /dev/hda1 or what ever device. > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Michael Long wrote: > > > > > > > I ran reiserfsck --rebuild-tree --rebuild-sb --fix-fixable > > > > and it found some bad leaf node indexes and some orphaned files. > > The > > > > file system seems to be intact. What utility will check for bad > > blocks? > > > > > > > > > When messing around with the filesystem allways a good idea to > > make > > > > > backups, just incase. > > > > > > > > > > I would continue to expore the reiserfsck option. possibly one > > or > > > > > more of the options: --rebuild-tree --rebuild-sb --fix-fixable > > > > > > > > > > What does reiserfsck --check do? > > > > > > > > > > have you run a badblocks check on the device? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > > Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > > > Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > > > Cell: 508-517-4819 > > > Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > > > Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ > > > Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > > > KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > > > AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > > > > > ... I'm IMAGINING a sensuous GIRAFFE, CAVORTING in the BACK ROOM > > > of a KOSHER DELI -- > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > Cell: 508-517-4819 > Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ > Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > I want to dress you up as TALLULAH BANKHEAD and cover you with VASELINE > and WHEAT THINS ... > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

June 23, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Help! part 3

by Karl Hiramoto

other things. I checked kernel.org and in 2.4.21 changelog there were bug fixes in reiserfs. not sure if it was related to your problem, but wouldn't hurt to upgrade to the latest kernel. Also checkout the docs/faq at the reiserfs page: http://www.namesys.com/ I would go for trying to get the latest kernel, and the latest rieserfsck to run without error. good luck! On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > reiserfsck now has no errors? > > reiserfsck -V what version are you using? > > I would also recommend using kernel 2.4.19 as recommended on: > http://www.namesys.com/download.html > > also use the latest reiserfs tools. download and install > reiserfsprogs-3.6.8.tar.gz the latest version might be able to fix > your problem. > > > On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Michael Long wrote: > > > It just completed and no bac blocks were found. Any other suggestions? > > > > > man badblocks > > > > > > i usually do badblocks -vs -c 256 /dev/hda1 or what ever device. > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Michael Long wrote: > > > > > > > I ran reiserfsck --rebuild-tree --rebuild-sb --fix-fixable > > > > and it found some bad leaf node indexes and some orphaned files. > > The > > > > file system seems to be intact. What utility will check for bad > > blocks? > > > > > > > > > When messing around with the filesystem allways a good idea to > > make > > > > > backups, just incase. > > > > > > > > > > I would continue to expore the reiserfsck option. possibly one > > or > > > > > more of the options: --rebuild-tree --rebuild-sb --fix-fixable > > > > > > > > > > What does reiserfsck --check do? > > > > > > > > > > have you run a badblocks check on the device? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > > Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > > > Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > > > Cell: 508-517-4819 > > > Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > > > Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ > > > Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > > > KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > > > AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > > > > > ... I'm IMAGINING a sensuous GIRAFFE, CAVORTING in the BACK ROOM > > > of a KOSHER DELI -- > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø I want to dress you up as TALLULAH BANKHEAD and cover you with VASELINE and WHEAT THINS ...

June 23, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Help! part 3

by Karl Hiramoto

reiserfsck now has no errors? reiserfsck -V what version are you using? I would also recommend using kernel 2.4.19 as recommended on: http://www.namesys.com/download.html also use the latest reiserfs tools. download and install reiserfsprogs-3.6.8.tar.gz the latest version might be able to fix your problem. On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Michael Long wrote: > It just completed and no bac blocks were found. Any other suggestions? > > > man badblocks > > > > i usually do badblocks -vs -c 256 /dev/hda1 or what ever device. > > > > On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Michael Long wrote: > > > > > I ran reiserfsck --rebuild-tree --rebuild-sb --fix-fixable > > > and it found some bad leaf node indexes and some orphaned files. > The > > > file system seems to be intact. What utility will check for bad > blocks? > > > > > > > When messing around with the filesystem allways a good idea to > make > > > > backups, just incase. > > > > > > > > I would continue to expore the reiserfsck option. possibly one > or > > > > more of the options: --rebuild-tree --rebuild-sb --fix-fixable > > > > > > > > What does reiserfsck --check do? > > > > > > > > have you run a badblocks check on the device? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > -- > > > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > > Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > > Cell: 508-517-4819 > > Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > > Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ > > Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > > KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > > AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > > > ... I'm IMAGINING a sensuous GIRAFFE, CAVORTING in the BACK ROOM > > of a KOSHER DELI -- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø I want to dress you up as TALLULAH BANKHEAD and cover you with VASELINE and WHEAT THINS ...

June 23, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Help! part 3

by Michael Long

It just completed and no bac blocks were found. Any other suggestions? > man badblocks > > i usually do badblocks -vs -c 256 /dev/hda1 or what ever device. > > On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Michael Long wrote: > > > I ran reiserfsck --rebuild-tree --rebuild-sb --fix-fixable > > and it found some bad leaf node indexes and some orphaned files. The > > file system seems to be intact. What utility will check for bad blocks? > > > > > When messing around with the filesystem allways a good idea to make > > > backups, just incase. > > > > > > I would continue to expore the reiserfsck option. possibly one or > > > more of the options: --rebuild-tree --rebuild-sb --fix-fixable > > > > > > What does reiserfsck --check do? > > > > > > have you run a badblocks check on the device? > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > Cell: 508-517-4819 > Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ > Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > ... I'm IMAGINING a sensuous GIRAFFE, CAVORTING in the BACK ROOM > of a KOSHER DELI -- > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

June 23, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Help! part 3

by Karl Hiramoto

man badblocks i usually do badblocks -vs -c 256 /dev/hda1 or what ever device. On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Michael Long wrote: > I ran reiserfsck --rebuild-tree --rebuild-sb --fix-fixable > and it found some bad leaf node indexes and some orphaned files. The > file system seems to be intact. What utility will check for bad blocks? > > > When messing around with the filesystem allways a good idea to make > > backups, just incase. > > > > I would continue to expore the reiserfsck option. possibly one or > > more of the options: --rebuild-tree --rebuild-sb --fix-fixable > > > > What does reiserfsck --check do? > > > > have you run a badblocks check on the device? > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø ... I'm IMAGINING a sensuous GIRAFFE, CAVORTING in the BACK ROOM of a KOSHER DELI --

June 23, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Help! part 3

by Michael Long

I ran reiserfsck --rebuild-tree --rebuild-sb --fix-fixable and it found some bad leaf node indexes and some orphaned files. The file system seems to be intact. What utility will check for bad blocks? > When messing around with the filesystem allways a good idea to make > backups, just incase. > > I would continue to expore the reiserfsck option. possibly one or > more of the options: --rebuild-tree --rebuild-sb --fix-fixable > > What does reiserfsck --check do? > > have you run a badblocks check on the device? > >

June 23, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Help! part 3

by Karl Hiramoto

When messing around with the filesystem allways a good idea to make backups, just incase. I would continue to expore the reiserfsck option. possibly one or more of the options: --rebuild-tree --rebuild-sb --fix-fixable What does reiserfsck --check do? have you run a badblocks check on the device? On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Michael Long wrote: > I have 2 disks in my system. Disk 1(hda) has windows and SuSE7.3 > installed on it. Disk 2(hdb) has SuSE 8.0. When booting SuSE8.0 it > mounts the partition hdb7 ("/") as readonly. This was not the case > until the system was rebooted last week. Prior to the reboot I could > read and write to the partition. I was out of town when I started > having connectivity issues and had the wife reboot the machine. I had > ownly been accessing the machine for email and file storage and don't > know what has changed. When booting into SuSE 7.3 I can mount hdb7 as > rw. > > I believe the problem has something to do with the boot process but am > not sure. > > Mike > > > man mount > > > > have you tried remounting it as rw. specify when you call mount to > > remount it as rw. otherwise explore the riserfsck more. > > > > Something to try.. If nothing else, backup the data and reformat > the > > partition. > > > > On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Michael Long wrote: > > > > > > > > Reiserfsck has been run successfully and the system is still > > > mounting / as readonly. I have found that the /boot directory is > empty > > > and it was empty before running reiserfsck. Where do I go from > here? > > > > > > Any guidence will be greatly appreciated, > > > Mike > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > -- > > > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > > Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > > Cell: 508-517-4819 > > Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > > Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ > > Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > > KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > > AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > > > "Linux poses a real challenge for those with a taste for late-night > > hacking (and/or conversations with God)." > > (By Matt Welsh) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Today, THREE WINOS from DETROIT sold me a framed photo of TAB HUNTER before his MAKEOVER!

June 23, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Help! part 3

by Michael Long

I have 2 disks in my system. Disk 1(hda) has windows and SuSE7.3 installed on it. Disk 2(hdb) has SuSE 8.0. When booting SuSE8.0 it mounts the partition hdb7 ("/") as readonly. This was not the case until the system was rebooted last week. Prior to the reboot I could read and write to the partition. I was out of town when I started having connectivity issues and had the wife reboot the machine. I had ownly been accessing the machine for email and file storage and don't know what has changed. When booting into SuSE 7.3 I can mount hdb7 as rw. I believe the problem has something to do with the boot process but am not sure. Mike > man mount > > have you tried remounting it as rw. specify when you call mount to > remount it as rw. otherwise explore the riserfsck more. > > Something to try.. If nothing else, backup the data and reformat the > partition. > > On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Michael Long wrote: > > > > > Reiserfsck has been run successfully and the system is still > > mounting / as readonly. I have found that the /boot directory is empty > > and it was empty before running reiserfsck. Where do I go from here? > > > > Any guidence will be greatly appreciated, > > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > Cell: 508-517-4819 > Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ > Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > "Linux poses a real challenge for those with a taste for late-night > hacking (and/or conversations with God)." > (By Matt Welsh) > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

June 23, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Help! part 3

by Karl Hiramoto

man mount have you tried remounting it as rw. specify when you call mount to remount it as rw. otherwise explore the riserfsck more. Something to try.. If nothing else, backup the data and reformat the partition. On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Michael Long wrote: > > Reiserfsck has been run successfully and the system is still > mounting / as readonly. I have found that the /boot directory is empty > and it was empty before running reiserfsck. Where do I go from here? > > Any guidence will be greatly appreciated, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø "Linux poses a real challenge for those with a taste for late-night hacking (and/or conversations with God)." (By Matt Welsh)

June 22, 2003

Help! part 3

by Michael Long

Reiserfsck has been run successfully and the system is still mounting / as readonly. I have found that the /boot directory is empty and it was empty before running reiserfsck. Where do I go from here? Any guidence will be greatly appreciated, Mike

June 22, 2003