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Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by Aaron Haviland

Doug Chamberlin said: > At 8/20/2001 11:53 AM (Monday), ccb(a)acm.org wrote: > > > - Some people expect that a reply will goto the group. > > > > > > However, this causes a number of people to respond to the group > > > when they mean the response to goto the sender only. > > > >Of the 40 or so mailing lists that I'm regularly a participant on, the > >wlug list is the only one exhibiting this behavior. It's generally > >consider an anachronism, dating to the days when we all had "!" in our > >email addresses. > > Of the 15 or so mailing lists that I'm regularly a participant on, there > are NO lists which are setup so replies go directly to senders instead of > the list as a whole. Replying by default only to senders hinders one of the > primary benefits of participation - that of sharing info. It is generally > considered "the way to go" to have replies default to the whole list with > strong objections made every time it is suggested that it be changed. i'm more familiar with this setup myself. mutt works nicely with mailing lists. i have "bind pager l list-reply" and "lists `cd ~/inboxes && echo *`" in my muttrc, and on most mailman mailing lists, i can just hit 'l' to reply to the list. if i hit 'r', it prompts me to reply to the list or the sender. just sharing :) -- Aaron Haviland orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org orion [at] parsed [dot] net Random #afda Quote #1: "Cool - my random quote is '"random quotes" is great'" - Tag

Aug. 20, 2001

stat syscall in RH7.1

by Brad Noyes

Hi Fellas I'm trying to get a shared library to work with my red hat 7.1 system. The problem is; when the library makes a system call to stat() i get "<./myprog> error while loading shared libraries: <mylib.so>: undefined symbol: stat". I have tried this on other distro's (debian, namely), and it was able to make the syscall just fine. Any ideas? Here's some info that you may find helpful: i compile with these lines: gcc -g -fPIC -c -g <mylib>.c -o <mylib>.o ld -shared -soname <mylib>.so.0 -o <mylib>.so.0.0.0 -lc <mylib>.o gcc -g <myprog>.o -o <myprog> -L. -l<mylib> ldd <myprog> <mylib>.so.0 => ./<mylib>.so.0 (0x40018000) libc.so.6 => /lib/i686/libc.so.6 (0x4002d000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000) gcc --version 2.96 Thanks for any sugesstions, --Brad

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by Doug Chamberlin

I sent my reply, not because I care strongly one way or the other, but because I didn't want the subject to be too one-sided (since the original message was so strong). There are two very legitimate sides to the debate. I once participated in a list which banned any form of quoting. They had a well considered rationale which included: 1) Replies would be more considered when the writer had to restate the item being replied to. 2) Elimintated over-quoting and other lazy, off-hand replies. 3) Slows the pace of exchange just enough for reasonable reflection, retarding the heated build up of flames. Worked quite well. Would not be popular today.

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by Josh Huber

Doug Chamberlin <DChamberlin(a)ne.mediaone.net> writes: > Of the 15 or so mailing lists that I'm regularly a participant on, > there are NO lists which are setup so replies go directly to senders > instead of the list as a whole. Replying by default only to senders > hinders one of the primary benefits of participation - that of > sharing info. It is generally considered "the way to go" to have > replies default to the whole list with strong objections made every > time it is suggested that it be changed. Which is interesting. This is the only list I'm on that has broken reply-to. (handy that I can turn on the "broken reply-to" for this list with my MUA, so it does replies properly -- to the SENDER). For more information: http://www.halisp.net/halisp/reply-to-harmful.html What about the case where the sender would prefer replies to go to a different address? I wonder if the list software will overwrite that field? (bad!) -- Josh Huber

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by Jeffry Smith

Doug Chamberlin said: >At 8/20/2001 11:53 AM (Monday), ccb(a)acm.org wrote: >> > - Some people expect that a reply will goto the group. >> > >> > However, this causes a number of people to respond to the group >> > when they mean the response to goto the sender only. >> >>Of the 40 or so mailing lists that I'm regularly a participant on, the >>wlug list is the only one exhibiting this behavior. It's generally >>consider an anachronism, dating to the days when we all had "!" in our >>email addresses. > >Of the 15 or so mailing lists that I'm regularly a participant on, there >are NO lists which are setup so replies go directly to senders instead of >the list as a whole. Replying by default only to senders hinders one of the >primary benefits of participation - that of sharing info. It is generally >considered "the way to go" to have replies default to the whole list with >strong objections made every time it is suggested that it be changed. > Not a main member of the group (only the mailing list), so take it for what it's worth, but most of the ones I'm on default to replies to the owner. A few changed over to that after some stuff accidently got sent to the list that REALLY should have been private. See http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html jeff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffry Smith Technical Sales Consultant Mission Critical Linux smith(a)missioncriticallinux.com phone:603.930.9739 fax:978.446.9470 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Thought for today: greenbar n. A style of fanfolded continuous-feed paper with alternating green and white bars on it, especially used in old-style line printers. This slang almost certainly dates way back to mainframe days.

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by Brian Niece

At 11:13 AM 8/20/01 -0400, you wrote: > Can we configure this list so that the "Principle of Least >Astonishment" holds when replying to FROM? > > A reply to FROM should reply to the sender, not the list. Let me chime in here with an apology. For a lot of discussions, it probably does make sense to have the replies go to the entire list. I just keep forgetting to check the To: header when I'm sending ones that not everyone needs to see. That "Reply" button is just too easy to hit. Sorry, Brian -- Brian K. Niece, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Chemistry Assumption College 500 Salisbury St. Worcester, MA 01609-1296 508-767-7209

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by ccb＠acm.org

> Of the 15 or so mailing lists that I'm regularly a participant on, there > are NO lists which are setup so replies go directly to senders instead of > the list as a whole. Replying by default only to senders hinders one of the > primary benefits of participation - that of sharing info. It is generally > considered "the way to go" to have replies default to the whole list with > strong objections made every time it is suggested that it be changed. So be it. I'll hack my MUA to suit my own tastes. ccb -- Charles C. Bennett, Jr. VA LiNUX Systems Systems Engineer, Northeast US 25 Burlington Mall Rd., Suite 300 +1 617 543-6513 Burlington, MA 01803-4145 ccb(a)valinux.com www.valinux.com

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by Viper

Ok this is a list serve isn't it? -=>Viper<=- Quoting ccb(a)acm.org: > > > - Some people expect that a reply will goto the group. > > > > However, this causes a number of people to respond to the group > > when they mean the response to goto the sender only. > > > Of the 40 or so mailing lists that I'm regularly a participant on, the > wlug list is the only one exhibiting this behavior. It's generally > consider an anachronism, dating to the days when we all had "!" in our > email addresses. > > > decvax!ccb > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by Doug Chamberlin

At 8/20/2001 11:53 AM (Monday), ccb(a)acm.org wrote: > > - Some people expect that a reply will goto the group. > > > > However, this causes a number of people to respond to the group > > when they mean the response to goto the sender only. > >Of the 40 or so mailing lists that I'm regularly a participant on, the >wlug list is the only one exhibiting this behavior. It's generally >consider an anachronism, dating to the days when we all had "!" in our >email addresses. Of the 15 or so mailing lists that I'm regularly a participant on, there are NO lists which are setup so replies go directly to senders instead of the list as a whole. Replying by default only to senders hinders one of the primary benefits of participation - that of sharing info. It is generally considered "the way to go" to have replies default to the whole list with strong objections made every time it is suggested that it be changed.

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by ccb＠acm.org

> - Some people expect that a reply will goto the group. > > However, this causes a number of people to respond to the group > when they mean the response to goto the sender only. Of the 40 or so mailing lists that I'm regularly a participant on, the wlug list is the only one exhibiting this behavior. It's generally consider an anachronism, dating to the days when we all had "!" in our email addresses. decvax!ccb

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by Theo Van Dinter

On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 11:13:14AM -0400, ccb(a)acm.org wrote: > Can we configure this list so that the "Principle of Least > Astonishment" holds when replying to FROM? > > A reply to FROM should reply to the sender, not the list. There are at least two sides to this: - Some people expect that a reply will go to the sender. However, this causes a number of people to respond only to the sender when they mean the response to goto the group. - Some people expect that a reply will goto the group. However, this causes a number of people to respond to the group when they mean the response to goto the sender only. Which one is better? Who can say? The best course of action is to look at where mail is going before sending it. It'll always goto the right destination that way. :) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "He went on to say that he was afraid to speak with me because I wrote a Perl book and because I occassionally nibble on rubber bats and wear leather pants ..." - Nathan Patwardhan

Aug. 20, 2001

REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by ccb＠acm.org

Hi Guys - Can we configure this list so that the "Principle of Least Astonishment" holds when replying to FROM? A reply to FROM should reply to the sender, not the list. Thanks, ccb

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Extra Hardware

by ccb＠acm.org

Hi Brian - I'm working decided unregular workdays. I'm headed to Vail, Colorado tomorrow for a sales training shindig through the rest of the week. If you really need to unload those things maybe you should chase the next guy in line... ccb

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Extra Hardware

by Brian Niece

Hi, Charlie. I just got your voicemail. Sorry about the confusion on Friday. You must have just missed me. It was a nice afternoon, and classes start soon, so I ditched work early. I should be around most of this week. I'm in and out until 1:00 today. After that I'll be here. I have to leave at about 3:30 tomorrow. Other than that, I'm planning pretty regular work days. -Brian -- Brian K. Niece, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Chemistry Assumption College 500 Salisbury St. Worcester, MA 01609-1296 508-767-7209

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Lart

by ccb＠acm.org

Ah - "Clue Stick" ! ccb

Aug. 17, 2001

A fun little Friday diversion

by Theo Van Dinter

This isn't specifically Linux related, but it does involve penguins: http://www.bigidea.com/penguins/kids/k_spacedpenguin.htm It's a strangely addictive Shockwave game. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Astronomers say the universe is finite, which is a comforting thought for those people who can't remember where they leave things." - Unknown

Aug. 17, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Lart

by Theo Van Dinter

On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 02:33:36PM -0400, Adam @ Oak wrote: > Not L.A.R.T. ;) For those who _are_ talking about that LART: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/LART.html ;) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: Anyone who thinks UNIX is intuitive should be forced to write 5000 lines of code using nothing but vi or emacs. AAAAACK! (Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of commands, especially Emacs.)

Aug. 17, 2001

Lart

by Adam ＠ Oak

Not L.A.R.T. ;) I found the project to for the small open source hardware project I remembered at last night's meeting: http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/ -Adam end ___________________________________________________ Adam S. Keck | | 593 Centre St. | "Got BSD?" (my current toy) Jamaica Plain, Boston | Ma, 02130 | ---------------------------------------------------

Aug. 17, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Next meeting on Thursday

by Tom Guilderson

I can't make the meeting but am very interested in the subject. Brian, If you have any prepared material you were going to use, any way of getting it to Andy to have it posted on the WLUG website for those of us that can'tmake it? thanks and someone have a Guines for me tonight! > The next WLUG meeting will be held this week on Thursday, August 16th at > > 7:00 PM in "the usual place". Please check the WLUG website for more > information. > > At this meeting, the speaker will be Brian Conway, who will be talking > about the use of DVDs with Linux. Bring your favorite DVD and maybe we > can play it on a Linux system! > -- Tom Guilderson Applied Technology Team CVS Pharmacy 401-770-3913 mailto:TWGuilderson@cvs.com http://www.cvs.com/

Aug. 16, 2001

More stuff!

by Theo Van Dinter

Sorry for the short notice, but we found some more stuff while gathering equipment for tonight's meeting! If you're interested in something for the meeting, please let me know before 5:30pm. hardware: Adtran DSU II AR (CSU/DSU) 5 dec hubs/repeaters (only 3 power supplies) 3 button mouse P133 CPU w/ fan random sealed card (NVRAM board I think) and memory for a PIX 10000 firewall. software: (windows, sorry...) shrinkwrapped box, "CD-ROM Bundle" - "Encyclopedia 6 Titles Bundle: (1-4) Mindscape CD Deluxe 4 Pack includes: * Chessmaster 4000, * Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing! v3.0, * U.S. Atlas v5.0, * World Atlas v5.0, (5) The San Diego Zoo: The Animals! v2.0, (6) Compton's Encyclopedia 1997 book: Computers, Ethics & Social Values edited by Johnson and Nissenbaum. c.1995 Prentice Hall -- Randomly Generated Tagline: Linux: Because a PC is a terrible thing to waste. (By komarimf(a)craft.camp.clarkson.edu, Mark Komarinski)

Aug. 16, 2001

Linux Sparc Boxes - freebie and selling

by john＠stoffel.org

Guys, I've got some Sparc Classics with RH 6.1 pre-installed. Mostly they have 1-2gb disks with 32-64mb of RAM, builtin ethernet, SCSI, video. I've also got keyboards and mice to go with each one. I'd like to get rid of these from the garage finally. So I'll be raffling off one tonight at the meeting, and I'll bring others for those who want to pay $40 one. I think I have 8 for sale, maybe more, maybe less. I'll give you money back if it doesn't work out of the box. These suckers make nice home servers, and it's easy to addon extra storage, etc. They all worked just fine when booted and installed over the network not too long ago. Sorry for the late notice, and if I have any left over afterwards, I'll bring em back next time as well. Please send requests to 'john(a)stoffel.org'. Thanks, John

Aug. 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Linux Sparc Boxes - freebie and selling

by A. Perry

John, I can't make it to tonight's WLUG meeting. However, I'd like to buy two of these (@ $40 each) if we can make other arrangements for pickup. Depending on where you live (or work), I can probably come by your house (or workplace) sometime in the next week or so. Thanks, Andrew Perry >Guys, > >I've got some Sparc Classics with RH 6.1 pre-installed. Mostly they >have 1-2gb disks with 32-64mb of RAM, builtin ethernet, SCSI, video. >I've also got keyboards and mice to go with each one. > >I'd like to get rid of these from the garage finally. So I'll be >raffling off one tonight at the meeting, and I'll bring others for >those who want to pay $40 one. I think I have 8 for sale, maybe >more, maybe less. I'll give you money back if it doesn't work out of >the box. > >These suckers make nice home servers, and it's easy to addon extra >storage, etc. They all worked just fine when booted and installed >over the network not too long ago. > >Sorry for the late notice, and if I have any left over afterwards, >I'll bring em back next time as well. > >Please send requests to 'john(a)stoffel.org'. > >Thanks, >John > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 16, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Cheap RAM ...

by Keller, Tim

The "GENERIC" manufacturer scares me a bit... Though on the same vein, I saw that Short-circuit city is selling "Centon" 256MB PC100 ram for 44.99 after rebate. Once again, I'm not sure if Centon is any better than GENERIC. Though for 120 bucks I could have 2gig of ram in my machine (provided my motherboard would support more than 128mb per slot)! Hmmm... now I just need a server motherboard that has like 12 memory slots!!! (kneeds hands together thinking about having to turn on BIGMEM stuff in kernel :-P) I went looking on http://www.thechipmerchant.com/19633-0.html (which I've had great luck with buying stuff) and it looks like there selling something comparable for 50.00 bucks... however they gave specific chipsets it would work with. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Theo Van Dinter [mailto:felicity@kluge.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 4:59 PM To: Worcester Linux User's Group Subject: [Wlug] Cheap RAM ... A friend sent this to me and I thought others would be interested: http://store.ccraft.net/PPmain.asp?ItemCode=3398&Action=Mostrar&msk=PD 512MB PC133 for $30 each. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Duct tape is like the force; it has a light side & a dark side, and it holds the universe together." - Zen Musings _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 16, 2001

Cheap RAM ...

by Theo Van Dinter

A friend sent this to me and I thought others would be interested: http://store.ccraft.net/PPmain.asp?ItemCode=3398&Action=Mostrar&msk=PD 512MB PC133 for $30 each. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Duct tape is like the force; it has a light side & a dark side, and it holds the universe together." - Zen Musings

Aug. 15, 2001

REMINDER: Next meeting on Thursday

by Andy Stewart

HI gang, The next WLUG meeting will be held this week on Thursday, August 16th at 7:00 PM in "the usual place". Please check the WLUG website for more information. At this meeting, the speaker will be Brian Conway, who will be talking about the use of DVDs with Linux. Bring your favorite DVD and maybe we can play it on a Linux system! After the meeting, we'll be going to the Boynton Restaurant for pizza and beer and anybody who comes to the meeting is welcome to join us. Come on down...it should be a good time. Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Aug. 15, 2001