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Re: [Wlug] gettin' the Sparc Classic on the network...

by Chuck Homic

On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:04:44PM -0400, Ben Dow wrote: > Well, I might be a little out of touch with my old-fashioned Slackware > ways, but I don't think there's supposed to be a /dev/eth0. DHCP must not > be working if it's not showing up in ifconfig, but try ifconfig eth0 to > see if the interface exists. You can always try running dhcpcd manually, > too. Right. eth0 is a network interface, not a device, so there is no /dev/ entry. If you're just trying to test the interface, you can also just assign it an IP by hand by doing "ifconfig eth0 192.168.blah.blah". You might also need some -netmask goodness, but I'm not sure. "man ifconfig" has the goods. Then once that works, I'd start getting into DHCP. I'm a little paranoid with DHCP... at work I use dhcpcd because pump doesn't work. At home (with road-runner), I use pump because dhcpcd doesn't work. Am I on crack? -Chuck

Aug. 22, 2001

Re: [Wlug] gettin' the Sparc Classic on the network...

by Ben Dow

Well, I might be a little out of touch with my old-fashioned Slackware ways, but I don't think there's supposed to be a /dev/eth0. DHCP must not be working if it's not showing up in ifconfig, but try ifconfig eth0 to see if the interface exists. You can always try running dhcpcd manually, too. On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Sands Fish wrote: > Hello all, > Settin' up the box I won at the last WLUG meeting. I wanna get it on > the network here at work. When I watch the boot messages, I see "eth0 LANCE > <mac address>" and "eth0 using auto-carrier-detection", but i don't see an > entry for /dev/eth0 when i look there. I can ping the local loopback, but > when I try to use DHCP in linuxconf to let it grab an address, but in > ifconfig, i still only see the entry for the local loopback. Is there a > different location for the eth0 device? Any hints? Anything would be > appreciated. Thanx everyone. > > - Sands Fish > - eCommerce > - telecomNOW > - sands(a)telecomnow.com >

Aug. 22, 2001

gettin' the Sparc Classic on the network...

by Sands Fish

Hello all, Settin' up the box I won at the last WLUG meeting. I wanna get it on the network here at work. When I watch the boot messages, I see "eth0 LANCE <mac address>" and "eth0 using auto-carrier-detection", but i don't see an entry for /dev/eth0 when i look there. I can ping the local loopback, but when I try to use DHCP in linuxconf to let it grab an address, but in ifconfig, i still only see the entry for the local loopback. Is there a different location for the eth0 device? Any hints? Anything would be appreciated. Thanx everyone. - Sands Fish - eCommerce - telecomNOW - sands(a)telecomnow.com

Aug. 22, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by Andy Stewart

HI all, Nothing is perfect in this world, especially computers, no matter how much we all choose to deny it! :-) With that said, please use care when replying, and make sure that your favorite mailing tool sends your reply wherever you desire it to go, be it the list or the original sender. Have a sense of humor when somebody obviously makes the inevitable mistake. I think this is the best we can do until somebody invents the DWIM button on e-mail GUIs (do what I mean). :-) Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by Chuck Homic

I'd just like to say this is my favorite thread in the world! :) You guys are all nuts... and I realize that having pedants like you is the reason everything works so well. I've never had that kind of energy, but from a spectator's point of view this is just awesome. God bless WLUG! (BTW, I'm with Theo... I just check my headers, dude! :) ) -Chuck

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by Josh Huber

Aaron Haviland <orion(a)tribble.dyndns.org> writes: > i'm more familiar with this setup myself. mutt works nicely with > mailing lists. i have "bind pager l list-reply" and "lists `cd > ~/inboxes && echo *`" in my muttrc, and on most mailman mailing > lists, i can just hit 'l' to reply to the list. if i hit 'r', it > prompts me to reply to the list or the sender. I'd like to point out that the whole purpose of list-reply in mutt is to reply to the list, and to have reply ("r") go to the author. Why bother having it prompt you if you can have "l" send a message to the list, and "r" send a message to the author? Having Reply-to point back at the mailing list is designed to compensate for other MUA's inability to distiguish between a reply and a followup. (*cough* Outlook *cough* pine *cough*) :) ttyl, -- Josh Huber

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by Aaron Haviland

Doug Chamberlin said: > At 8/20/2001 11:53 AM (Monday), ccb(a)acm.org wrote: > > > - Some people expect that a reply will goto the group. > > > > > > However, this causes a number of people to respond to the group > > > when they mean the response to goto the sender only. > > > >Of the 40 or so mailing lists that I'm regularly a participant on, the > >wlug list is the only one exhibiting this behavior. It's generally > >consider an anachronism, dating to the days when we all had "!" in our > >email addresses. > > Of the 15 or so mailing lists that I'm regularly a participant on, there > are NO lists which are setup so replies go directly to senders instead of > the list as a whole. Replying by default only to senders hinders one of the > primary benefits of participation - that of sharing info. It is generally > considered "the way to go" to have replies default to the whole list with > strong objections made every time it is suggested that it be changed. i'm more familiar with this setup myself. mutt works nicely with mailing lists. i have "bind pager l list-reply" and "lists `cd ~/inboxes && echo *`" in my muttrc, and on most mailman mailing lists, i can just hit 'l' to reply to the list. if i hit 'r', it prompts me to reply to the list or the sender. just sharing :) -- Aaron Haviland orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org orion [at] parsed [dot] net Random #afda Quote #1: "Cool - my random quote is '"random quotes" is great'" - Tag

Aug. 20, 2001

stat syscall in RH7.1

by Brad Noyes

Hi Fellas I'm trying to get a shared library to work with my red hat 7.1 system. The problem is; when the library makes a system call to stat() i get "<./myprog> error while loading shared libraries: <mylib.so>: undefined symbol: stat". I have tried this on other distro's (debian, namely), and it was able to make the syscall just fine. Any ideas? Here's some info that you may find helpful: i compile with these lines: gcc -g -fPIC -c -g <mylib>.c -o <mylib>.o ld -shared -soname <mylib>.so.0 -o <mylib>.so.0.0.0 -lc <mylib>.o gcc -g <myprog>.o -o <myprog> -L. -l<mylib> ldd <myprog> <mylib>.so.0 => ./<mylib>.so.0 (0x40018000) libc.so.6 => /lib/i686/libc.so.6 (0x4002d000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000) gcc --version 2.96 Thanks for any sugesstions, --Brad

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by Doug Chamberlin

I sent my reply, not because I care strongly one way or the other, but because I didn't want the subject to be too one-sided (since the original message was so strong). There are two very legitimate sides to the debate. I once participated in a list which banned any form of quoting. They had a well considered rationale which included: 1) Replies would be more considered when the writer had to restate the item being replied to. 2) Elimintated over-quoting and other lazy, off-hand replies. 3) Slows the pace of exchange just enough for reasonable reflection, retarding the heated build up of flames. Worked quite well. Would not be popular today.

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by Josh Huber

Doug Chamberlin <DChamberlin(a)ne.mediaone.net> writes: > Of the 15 or so mailing lists that I'm regularly a participant on, > there are NO lists which are setup so replies go directly to senders > instead of the list as a whole. Replying by default only to senders > hinders one of the primary benefits of participation - that of > sharing info. It is generally considered "the way to go" to have > replies default to the whole list with strong objections made every > time it is suggested that it be changed. Which is interesting. This is the only list I'm on that has broken reply-to. (handy that I can turn on the "broken reply-to" for this list with my MUA, so it does replies properly -- to the SENDER). For more information: http://www.halisp.net/halisp/reply-to-harmful.html What about the case where the sender would prefer replies to go to a different address? I wonder if the list software will overwrite that field? (bad!) -- Josh Huber

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by Jeffry Smith

Doug Chamberlin said: >At 8/20/2001 11:53 AM (Monday), ccb(a)acm.org wrote: >> > - Some people expect that a reply will goto the group. >> > >> > However, this causes a number of people to respond to the group >> > when they mean the response to goto the sender only. >> >>Of the 40 or so mailing lists that I'm regularly a participant on, the >>wlug list is the only one exhibiting this behavior. It's generally >>consider an anachronism, dating to the days when we all had "!" in our >>email addresses. > >Of the 15 or so mailing lists that I'm regularly a participant on, there >are NO lists which are setup so replies go directly to senders instead of >the list as a whole. Replying by default only to senders hinders one of the >primary benefits of participation - that of sharing info. It is generally >considered "the way to go" to have replies default to the whole list with >strong objections made every time it is suggested that it be changed. > Not a main member of the group (only the mailing list), so take it for what it's worth, but most of the ones I'm on default to replies to the owner. A few changed over to that after some stuff accidently got sent to the list that REALLY should have been private. See http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html jeff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffry Smith Technical Sales Consultant Mission Critical Linux smith(a)missioncriticallinux.com phone:603.930.9739 fax:978.446.9470 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Thought for today: greenbar n. A style of fanfolded continuous-feed paper with alternating green and white bars on it, especially used in old-style line printers. This slang almost certainly dates way back to mainframe days.

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by Brian Niece

At 11:13 AM 8/20/01 -0400, you wrote: > Can we configure this list so that the "Principle of Least >Astonishment" holds when replying to FROM? > > A reply to FROM should reply to the sender, not the list. Let me chime in here with an apology. For a lot of discussions, it probably does make sense to have the replies go to the entire list. I just keep forgetting to check the To: header when I'm sending ones that not everyone needs to see. That "Reply" button is just too easy to hit. Sorry, Brian -- Brian K. Niece, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Chemistry Assumption College 500 Salisbury St. Worcester, MA 01609-1296 508-767-7209

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by ccb＠acm.org

> Of the 15 or so mailing lists that I'm regularly a participant on, there > are NO lists which are setup so replies go directly to senders instead of > the list as a whole. Replying by default only to senders hinders one of the > primary benefits of participation - that of sharing info. It is generally > considered "the way to go" to have replies default to the whole list with > strong objections made every time it is suggested that it be changed. So be it. I'll hack my MUA to suit my own tastes. ccb -- Charles C. Bennett, Jr. VA LiNUX Systems Systems Engineer, Northeast US 25 Burlington Mall Rd., Suite 300 +1 617 543-6513 Burlington, MA 01803-4145 ccb(a)valinux.com www.valinux.com

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by Viper

Ok this is a list serve isn't it? -=>Viper<=- Quoting ccb(a)acm.org: > > > - Some people expect that a reply will goto the group. > > > > However, this causes a number of people to respond to the group > > when they mean the response to goto the sender only. > > > Of the 40 or so mailing lists that I'm regularly a participant on, the > wlug list is the only one exhibiting this behavior. It's generally > consider an anachronism, dating to the days when we all had "!" in our > email addresses. > > > decvax!ccb > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by Doug Chamberlin

At 8/20/2001 11:53 AM (Monday), ccb(a)acm.org wrote: > > - Some people expect that a reply will goto the group. > > > > However, this causes a number of people to respond to the group > > when they mean the response to goto the sender only. > >Of the 40 or so mailing lists that I'm regularly a participant on, the >wlug list is the only one exhibiting this behavior. It's generally >consider an anachronism, dating to the days when we all had "!" in our >email addresses. Of the 15 or so mailing lists that I'm regularly a participant on, there are NO lists which are setup so replies go directly to senders instead of the list as a whole. Replying by default only to senders hinders one of the primary benefits of participation - that of sharing info. It is generally considered "the way to go" to have replies default to the whole list with strong objections made every time it is suggested that it be changed.

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by ccb＠acm.org

> - Some people expect that a reply will goto the group. > > However, this causes a number of people to respond to the group > when they mean the response to goto the sender only. Of the 40 or so mailing lists that I'm regularly a participant on, the wlug list is the only one exhibiting this behavior. It's generally consider an anachronism, dating to the days when we all had "!" in our email addresses. decvax!ccb

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by Theo Van Dinter

On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 11:13:14AM -0400, ccb(a)acm.org wrote: > Can we configure this list so that the "Principle of Least > Astonishment" holds when replying to FROM? > > A reply to FROM should reply to the sender, not the list. There are at least two sides to this: - Some people expect that a reply will go to the sender. However, this causes a number of people to respond only to the sender when they mean the response to goto the group. - Some people expect that a reply will goto the group. However, this causes a number of people to respond to the group when they mean the response to goto the sender only. Which one is better? Who can say? The best course of action is to look at where mail is going before sending it. It'll always goto the right destination that way. :) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "He went on to say that he was afraid to speak with me because I wrote a Perl book and because I occassionally nibble on rubber bats and wear leather pants ..." - Nathan Patwardhan

Aug. 20, 2001

REPLY TO FROM (!!!)

by ccb＠acm.org

Hi Guys - Can we configure this list so that the "Principle of Least Astonishment" holds when replying to FROM? A reply to FROM should reply to the sender, not the list. Thanks, ccb

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Extra Hardware

by ccb＠acm.org

Hi Brian - I'm working decided unregular workdays. I'm headed to Vail, Colorado tomorrow for a sales training shindig through the rest of the week. If you really need to unload those things maybe you should chase the next guy in line... ccb

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Extra Hardware

by Brian Niece

Hi, Charlie. I just got your voicemail. Sorry about the confusion on Friday. You must have just missed me. It was a nice afternoon, and classes start soon, so I ditched work early. I should be around most of this week. I'm in and out until 1:00 today. After that I'll be here. I have to leave at about 3:30 tomorrow. Other than that, I'm planning pretty regular work days. -Brian -- Brian K. Niece, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of Chemistry Assumption College 500 Salisbury St. Worcester, MA 01609-1296 508-767-7209

Aug. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Lart

by ccb＠acm.org

Ah - "Clue Stick" ! ccb

Aug. 17, 2001

A fun little Friday diversion

by Theo Van Dinter

This isn't specifically Linux related, but it does involve penguins: http://www.bigidea.com/penguins/kids/k_spacedpenguin.htm It's a strangely addictive Shockwave game. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Astronomers say the universe is finite, which is a comforting thought for those people who can't remember where they leave things." - Unknown

Aug. 17, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Lart

by Theo Van Dinter

On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 02:33:36PM -0400, Adam @ Oak wrote: > Not L.A.R.T. ;) For those who _are_ talking about that LART: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/LART.html ;) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: Anyone who thinks UNIX is intuitive should be forced to write 5000 lines of code using nothing but vi or emacs. AAAAACK! (Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of commands, especially Emacs.)

Aug. 17, 2001

Lart

by Adam ＠ Oak

Not L.A.R.T. ;) I found the project to for the small open source hardware project I remembered at last night's meeting: http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/ -Adam end ___________________________________________________ Adam S. Keck | | 593 Centre St. | "Got BSD?" (my current toy) Jamaica Plain, Boston | Ma, 02130 | ---------------------------------------------------

Aug. 17, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Next meeting on Thursday

by Tom Guilderson

I can't make the meeting but am very interested in the subject. Brian, If you have any prepared material you were going to use, any way of getting it to Andy to have it posted on the WLUG website for those of us that can'tmake it? thanks and someone have a Guines for me tonight! > The next WLUG meeting will be held this week on Thursday, August 16th at > > 7:00 PM in "the usual place". Please check the WLUG website for more > information. > > At this meeting, the speaker will be Brian Conway, who will be talking > about the use of DVDs with Linux. Bring your favorite DVD and maybe we > can play it on a Linux system! > -- Tom Guilderson Applied Technology Team CVS Pharmacy 401-770-3913 mailto:TWGuilderson@cvs.com http://www.cvs.com/

Aug. 16, 2001