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Re: [Wlug] Printing Photos - cropping in gimp 2.0

by Robert L Krawitz

Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:45:18 -0400 From: "John Stoffel" <stoffel(a)lucent.com> >>>>> "Andy" == Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> writes: Andy> I believe that the gimp-print plugin will do what you want. It Andy> should be accessible via the File...Print menu from Gimp. It Andy> shows a rather rough thumbnail image within boarders to give you Andy> a feel for where the image will be printed. I've been using this and I think it sucks. Mostly because the images are considered to be at a maximum scale when you goto the plugin, which makes it hard to scale up or down to crop it nicely. But I have to say, I'm still very happy it is there, since it's let me print some nice pictures on my Epson printer. The basic problem here is that the Print plugin isn't designed to crop at all. That's what we need to do with it. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

Sept. 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Printing Photos - cropping in gimp 2.0

by Chuck Homic

On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 11:47:40PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > >From what I've seen on the tool, it really just needs to have some way > of taking the image that's sent to it and scaling it up higher than > 100% of original size. Have you ever used one of those Kodak/Fuji Photo Maker dealies in WalMart? That's totally what I want. Basically the tool locks the aspect ratio to what can be photo printed. (Either 3:2, 7:5, or 5:4 are the most common, for 4x6, 7x5, or 8x10 prints.) You can rotate and scale the printed region, but the aspect ratio stays locked, so that no matter what you do, you don't get any letterboxing on your printed photo. I don't know if that's what y'all were talking about, but that's what I need more than anything. -Chuck

Sept. 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Printing Photos - cropping in gimp 2.0

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Robert" == Robert L Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> writes: Robert> This is actually something folks have been requesting, but we Robert> (Gimp-Print project) don't have anyone to implement. The Robert> plugin really needs to be rewritten anyway, since it's such a Robert> mess, but that's another matter. Robert, I wish I had the time/knowledge to do this. I can hack small projects, but I'm not a strong programmer, I'm a SysAdmin! :] Mostly, I have a small attention span. :] >From what I've seen on the tool, it really just needs to have some way of taking the image that's sent to it and scaling it up higher than 100% of original size. Does that make sense? Or maybe if you started out at 75% scale, filling as much of the paper size as possible? And then you can let the user scale up for down to get the cropping they desire. Or maybe I'm just missing the issue here. Thanks for the quick reply though, I do appreciate it! John

Sept. 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Printing Photos - cropping in gimp 2.0

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Andy" == Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> writes: Andy> I believe that the gimp-print plugin will do what you want. It Andy> should be accessible via the File...Print menu from Gimp. It Andy> shows a rather rough thumbnail image within boarders to give you Andy> a feel for where the image will be printed. I've been using this and I think it sucks. Mostly because the images are considered to be at a maximum scale when you goto the plugin, which makes it hard to scale up or down to crop it nicely. But I have to say, I'm still very happy it is there, since it's let me print some nice pictures on my Epson printer. It's just not as good as I think it should be. All they would really need to do is let the size scale start at 100% and allow you to move it up/down as you like (within reason of course!) since the paper size you select determines the area that will print. Am I being clear here? Hopefully so. I guess I should look to see if there's a better version of the tool out there. Thanks, John

Sept. 30, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection

by Martin, Eric

Check Keepalive in /etc/ssh/sshd-config (on your server machine) try setting it to 0, although that might give you phantom logins if you have a shaky connection -----Original Message----- From: Michael Long [mailto:mlong@datalong.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:11 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection Hi All, I am using openssh on cygwin along with ssh-tunnel (a pearl script that uses IO and IO::Select) to tunnel through a firewall in order to gain access to my desktop at home. I have noticed that recently the behavior has changed and my connection is broken after 3 seconds of inactivity. How do I, a) find out what is causing the connection to be broken and/or b) keep the connection alive. As long as I am actively feeding commands at the shell prompt the connection stays alive. Tia, Mike _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 29, 2004

Proxy closes connection

by Michael Long

Hi All, I am using openssh on cygwin along with ssh-tunnel (a pearl script that uses IO and IO::Select) to tunnel through a firewall in order to gain access to my desktop at home. I have noticed that recently the behavior has changed and my connection is broken after 3 seconds of inactivity. How do I, a) find out what is causing the connection to be broken and/or b) keep the connection alive. As long as I am actively feeding commands at the shell prompt the connection stays alive. Tia, Mike

Sept. 29, 2004

RE: [Wlug] WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester

by Martin, Eric

I'm interested. Do they have a preferred distro? -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:18 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group Cc: Patrick Sawyer Subject: [Wlug] WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, I was recently contacted by Patrick Sawyer, who represents the Worcester Computer Co-op (http://www.worcestercoop.org) He asked me if we would be interested in getting Linux installed on some computers, as well as building up some working computers out of existing parts. I thought this would be a great group event. This event will be on Saturday, October 9th, from noon to 4 PM (http://www.worcestercoop.org/directions.html) This location is 1.6 miles from WPI. Here is a quote from Patrick: ===start quote=== Here at the Worcester Computer Co Op our goal is to make computer technology available to those who cannot afford it. In addition to running a volunteer computer lab and teaching free classes, we take donated computers, install Linux on them, and distribute them to the community. We now have a large amount of computers and our volunteer base (myself included) is not as well versed in linux as we would like to be, or as is needed to complete this project. I am sending this email because we could use some help. Any time you could give would be appreciated. ===end quote=== I'll be visiting with Patrick this coming weekend to get a feel for how many volunteers can be accommodated, what we'll need for CDs, tools, extension cords, etc. Please reply if you are interested in volunteering and available to attend the event. I'll be sending out more details soon. Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBWjdbHl0iXDssISsRApXYAKCFbamjiXAqOYlGQXldbBTJ7fmHtACaA0cR dMnJEmwRb1hAJYGQFolOKbQ= =B6Ua -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 29, 2004

WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, I was recently contacted by Patrick Sawyer, who represents the Worcester Computer Co-op (http://www.worcestercoop.org) He asked me if we would be interested in getting Linux installed on some computers, as well as building up some working computers out of existing parts. I thought this would be a great group event. This event will be on Saturday, October 9th, from noon to 4 PM (http://www.worcestercoop.org/directions.html) This location is 1.6 miles from WPI. Here is a quote from Patrick: ===start quote=== Here at the Worcester Computer Co Op our goal is to make computer technology available to those who cannot afford it. In addition to running a volunteer computer lab and teaching free classes, we take donated computers, install Linux on them, and distribute them to the community. We now have a large amount of computers and our volunteer base (myself included) is not as well versed in linux as we would like to be, or as is needed to complete this project. I am sending this email because we could use some help. Any time you could give would be appreciated. ===end quote=== I'll be visiting with Patrick this coming weekend to get a feel for how many volunteers can be accommodated, what we'll need for CDs, tools, extension cords, etc. Please reply if you are interested in volunteering and available to attend the event. I'll be sending out more details soon. Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBWjdbHl0iXDssISsRApXYAKCFbamjiXAqOYlGQXldbBTJ7fmHtACaA0cR dMnJEmwRb1hAJYGQFolOKbQ= =B6Ua -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 29, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Printing Photos - cropping in gimp 2.0

by Robert L Krawitz

From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:08:50 -0400 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 28 September 2004 10:38 am, John Stoffel wrote: > Hi All, > > Thanks for the input I recieved here, I've bought an Epson R300 color > printer for making photos. Once I figured out that the debian package > for libcupsys has the permissions borked for the files in > /usr/lib/cups/backend so that they aren't executable, all is well. > I've been happily browsing images in 'gqview', then loading them into > gimp 2.0, then printing them. > > But I'm having issues with scaling images. I have to guess how/where > to crop the images so that I can get the maximum amount of the picture > onto the paper. It's a real pain, with lots of back and forth. > > Is there a tool out there, or a gimp plugin, which allows me to take a > picture, select a paper size and gives me a template to crop/scale the > image to fit that paper size nicely? Any hints on what tools/packages > I should be looking at for this type of work? I believe that the gimp-print plugin will do what you want. It should be accessible via the File...Print menu from Gimp. It shows a rather rough thumbnail image within boarders to give you a feel for where the image will be printed. This is actually something folks have been requesting, but we (Gimp-Print project) don't have anyone to implement. The plugin really needs to be rewritten anyway, since it's such a mess, but that's another matter. If anyone wants to volunteer to do this, I'd welcome it. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

Sept. 28, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Printing Photos - cropping in gimp 2.0

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 28 September 2004 10:38 am, John Stoffel wrote: > Hi All, > > Thanks for the input I recieved here, I've bought an Epson R300 color > printer for making photos. Once I figured out that the debian package > for libcupsys has the permissions borked for the files in > /usr/lib/cups/backend so that they aren't executable, all is well. > I've been happily browsing images in 'gqview', then loading them into > gimp 2.0, then printing them. > > But I'm having issues with scaling images. I have to guess how/where > to crop the images so that I can get the maximum amount of the picture > onto the paper. It's a real pain, with lots of back and forth. > > Is there a tool out there, or a gimp plugin, which allows me to take a > picture, select a paper size and gives me a template to crop/scale the > image to fit that paper size nicely? Any hints on what tools/packages > I should be looking at for this type of work? John, I believe that the gimp-print plugin will do what you want. It should be accessible via the File...Print menu from Gimp. It shows a rather rough thumbnail image within boarders to give you a feel for where the image will be printed. Try it and let us know what you think. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBWeD7Hl0iXDssISsRAlO2AKCBbg5OMApySQ7hfBw/RCGF10Y6WwCeOjAK Jh8lFYGzqAkrhM/p/z0jprE= =QqIX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 28, 2004

Printing Photos - cropping in gimp 2.0

by John Stoffel

Hi All, Thanks for the input I recieved here, I've bought an Epson R300 color printer for making photos. Once I figured out that the debian package for libcupsys has the permissions borked for the files in /usr/lib/cups/backend so that they aren't executable, all is well. I've been happily browsing images in 'gqview', then loading them into gimp 2.0, then printing them. But I'm having issues with scaling images. I have to guess how/where to crop the images so that I can get the maximum amount of the picture onto the paper. It's a real pain, with lots of back and forth. Is there a tool out there, or a gimp plugin, which allows me to take a picture, select a paper size and gives me a template to crop/scale the image to fit that paper size nicely? Any hints on what tools/packages I should be looking at for this type of work? For example, I've got a picture of my nephew and son which I wanted to print out. I also wanted to zoom in a bit (or crop the image down to get closer to them) so that when it printed, I maximized the use of the 4x6 stock. A real pain in gimp 2.0, but since I'm just using the standard Debian install, maybe there is a plugin to help with this? Thanks, John

Sept. 28, 2004

Re: [Wlug] yum repository for Aurora?

by Brian Waite

William, As fate would have it, I just got my hands on an old Sparc. Thanks to your mail I found a distro. While perusing the FAQ though I think I found a pointer to your question. There is an up2date sever and directions at: http://current-aurora.anthonymendoza.com/ I hope it works for you. Here hoping I can even get a prompt :) Thanks Brian On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:19:41 -0400 (EDT), Bill Smith <wsmith(a)chezsmith.com> wrote: > Would anyone here HAPPEN to know of any yum repositories for Aurora Linux > (Sparc flavor, 1.0 is based on RH 7.3, 1.9x is based on Fedora)? > > I've been looking for a repository for upgrading my 1.0 installation to > the latest 1.91/1.92, but I cannot find an up-to-date repository. 8( > > (For anyone that's curious, I'm running Aurora on my Sparc Ultra60...) > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated... > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com > Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com > > "Uncouple faith from truth altogether, and bad things > can happen. People come to believe without truth, and > then the truth becomes something nobody will believe." > -- Charles P. Pierce (in 'The Truth About Polygraphs', > 2003/10/03 edition of Boston Globe Magazine, p18) > * TAG! v3.1a * > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] video confrencing

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 24 September 2004 10:14 am, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > Was wondering if anyone could suggest a USB cam that works well with > the video4linux API that will work with > http://www.gnomemeeting.org/ > > > Or if you had any other video conferencing SW or HW suggestions? > Something both for me to use on linux and for the corprate managemet > type of people to use. Well, my USB cam (Logitech 4000) worked great when I used it with GnomeMeeting, but now its driver is mired in some controversy (it uses the pwc/pwcx driver which was recently removed from the Linux kernel source tree). Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBVMNgHl0iXDssISsRApp0AJ4/9y2ouFuHNqtyveszPqlVAM/FyQCfWg8c USGeQnjPht/AtN05lHJbnP0= =C9/r -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 25, 2004

video confrencing

by Karl Hiramoto

Was wondering if anyone could suggest a USB cam that works well with the video4linux API that will work with http://www.gnomemeeting.org/ Or if you had any other video conferencing SW or HW suggestions? Something both for me to use on linux and for the corprate managemet type of people to use. -- -- Karl Hiramoto karl at hiramoto dot org http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Mobile: 508.517.4819 Work: 978-425-2090

Sept. 24, 2004

yum repository for Aurora?

by Bill Smith

Would anyone here HAPPEN to know of any yum repositories for Aurora Linux (Sparc flavor, 1.0 is based on RH 7.3, 1.9x is based on Fedora)? I've been looking for a repository for upgrading my 1.0 installation to the latest 1.91/1.92, but I cannot find an up-to-date repository. 8( (For anyone that's curious, I'm running Aurora on my Sparc Ultra60...) Any assistance would be greatly appreciated... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com "Uncouple faith from truth altogether, and bad things can happen. People come to believe without truth, and then the truth becomes something nobody will believe." -- Charles P. Pierce (in 'The Truth About Polygraphs', 2003/10/03 edition of Boston Globe Magazine, p18) * TAG! v3.1a *

Sept. 24, 2004

PHP and .forward

by Chuck Haines

Here is a question for you PHP fans out there. I'm attemping to create a webpage that will change, delete, create, etc a users .forward file. I want to do it in PHP and was curious if anyone knew of a current php script that would do this for me. I would write it myself, but why re-invent the wheel if I don't have to. Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

Sept. 20, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations

by Martin, Eric

You Do it Electronics down 128 has an ATX power supply tester for under $10...I also have one if you want to borrow it and Newegg should have one too. All you do is plug it in to your PS Motherboard connector, and flip the switch. If a green light comes on, it's good. It also has test points. -----Original Message----- From: Brett Russ [mailto:icycle@charter.net] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 9:19 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations track(a)trackspace.com wrote: > Secondly, I jumped the 14 and 15 pins (with a bent paperclip) on the > ATX connector while leaving one HDD (and absolutely nothing else) > plugged in - nothing happened. If I understood you correctly, that > should at least power the HDD up? Are there any other visual/aural > clues that I'm looking for? I'd assume that both the PS fan and the HDD would spin up. You might not hear the HDD spinup, you might have to unmount it and feel for the gyro effect. But without the PS fan spinning, I doubt it's powering the drive. > Should the paperclip get warm assuming there's a current passing > through it? No, there shouldn't be current flowing through the clip. > When I plugged the cord in from the wall into the socket in the back > of the case, I did hear that "click" (for lack of a better word) you > hear when you plug anything into a socket. I know at least the juice > is getting into the box... I don't usually hear a click when plugging in a PS to the wall. Maybe this is a sign that it's bad. > Based on this, would you assume the power supply is the likely culprit > and that the next logical step would be to try testing my hardware on > another ATX power supply? My only concern is that the LED lights up, > which to me would mean the mobo is getting >>>some<<< power. I would definitely try another ATX supply if you can. At this point I am not sure what could be wrong if it's not the PS. BR _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 20, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Re: Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting?

by Martin, Eric

Cool, thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:52 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] Re: Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting? Martin, Eric wrote: >Vps? > > Virtual Private Server, using usermode linux (UML) or similar to provide a virtual dedicated host on which I can run as root and configure everything just the way I want it. Ideally with a dedicated IP which I can point reverse-DNS at. Much more control than with the typical, inexpensive hosting setup (cpanel, etc.) and for not much more per month. - Bob _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 20, 2004

Need LSI 1030 IT for SCO 5.0.6

by aramico＠duahati.com

Friends, Can somebody help me here... I need LSI 103o IT root disk controller driver for SCO 5.0.6 I have a new PC, HP ML 350 G4 that must be installed with SCO 5.0.6 but its said that no root risk controller found. I have done so many things to make it enable, but seem unsuccessful so far. I have download it from the internet and its still not much helpin' me. Thanks Aramico Note : Sorry that its a little bit far from Linux's case.

Sept. 20, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations

by Brett Russ

track(a)trackspace.com wrote: > Secondly, I jumped the 14 and 15 pins (with a bent paperclip) on the ATX > connector while leaving one HDD (and absolutely nothing else) plugged in - > nothing happened. If I understood you correctly, that should at least > power the HDD up? Are there any other visual/aural clues that I'm looking > for? I'd assume that both the PS fan and the HDD would spin up. You might not hear the HDD spinup, you might have to unmount it and feel for the gyro effect. But without the PS fan spinning, I doubt it's powering the drive. > Should the paperclip get warm assuming there's a current passing > through it? No, there shouldn't be current flowing through the clip. > When I plugged the cord in from the wall into the socket in > the back of the case, I did hear that "click" (for lack of a better word) > you hear when you plug anything into a socket. I know at least the juice > is getting into the box... I don't usually hear a click when plugging in a PS to the wall. Maybe this is a sign that it's bad. > Based on this, would you assume the power supply is the likely culprit and > that the next logical step would be to try testing my hardware on another > ATX power supply? My only concern is that the LED lights up, which to me > would mean the mobo is getting >>>some<<< power. I would definitely try another ATX supply if you can. At this point I am not sure what could be wrong if it's not the PS. BR

Sept. 18, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting?

by Steve Freitag

I've had a UML based system with http://www.linode.com for over a year and have been very happy with it and linode.com. The lowest cost system, "Linode 64", is $19.95 a month. (Extra disk space if you sign up for a year.) You have full control, create partitions, install the distro, root access etc. The web based interface (Linode Platform Manager) used to partition, install etc is pretty good also. Check out the forums for what others have to say http://www.linode.com/forums/index.php Bob George wrote: > I'm looking for an inexpensive vps hosting option (UML-based or > similar) that will allow me full control over server configuration. > Are there any that are recommended? > > Thanks, > > - Bob > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 17, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting?

by Webmaster＠atari-users.net

I use www.serverpronto.com for my domains and highly recommend them. It's a dedicated server for the price of a virtual. $29/month with a your choice of OS. FreeBSD, Red Hat, Suse, Debian, Fedora and I think Gentoo also(It use to be listed, just ask for it). Plus the crappy Windows, but that cost more. The only issue I have is the $149 setup fee, which I think is high, but this month they have a special with $80 off the fee. Rob >-----Original Message----- >From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org]On >Behalf Of Bob George >Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:13 AM >To: Worcester Linux Users Group >Subject: [Wlug] Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting? > > >I'm looking for an inexpensive vps hosting option (UML-based or similar) >that will allow me full control over server configuration. Are there any > that are recommended? > >Thanks, > >- Bob >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations

by track＠trackspace.com

Brett, Thanks for the reply. I took your advice and tried a couple of things. First, I jumpered the on/off switch connection on the mobo and still got the same results (nothing spins up, red LED on mobo comes and stays on). Secondly, I jumped the 14 and 15 pins (with a bent paperclip) on the ATX connector while leaving one HDD (and absolutely nothing else) plugged in - nothing happened. If I understood you correctly, that should at least power the HDD up? Are there any other visual/aural clues that I'm looking for? Should the paperclip get warm assuming there's a current passing through it? When I plugged the cord in from the wall into the socket in the back of the case, I did hear that "click" (for lack of a better word) you hear when you plug anything into a socket. I know at least the juice is getting into the box... Based on this, would you assume the power supply is the likely culprit and that the next logical step would be to try testing my hardware on another ATX power supply? My only concern is that the LED lights up, which to me would mean the mobo is getting >>>some<<< power. Let me know when you get a chance and I REALLY appreciate your advice and suggestions! :) Thanks, Tim > Jeff Kinz wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 05:30:21PM -0400, track(a)trackspace.com wrote: >> >>>Thank you for all that responded. I'll try to summarize the answers to >>>all the follow-up questions in one reply. >>> >>>When I turn the power on, nothing happens except a red LED on the >>>motherboard lights up. The CPU fan doesn't spin, the computer doesn't >>>beep - nothing (so no beeps or POST codes). The weird thing is that >>> when >>>I turn the power switch off, the LED stays lit for another 5-6 seconds. >>>I'm not sure if that means anything though... > > That's just the capacitance stored up in the MB caps. That's the reason > people say to wait 10 seconds between powering off and powering on. > This also would seem to be a sign that the PS is feeding power. > >> Do the power supply fans spin? > > I assume not, since he says above "nothing happens" :-) > >> the Abit NF7 with MB LEDs has two power LEDs - the red one, when lit, >> indicates standby by power. The green one, when lit, indicates the >> machine is powered up. >> >> You seem be stuck in standby mode. Try the front panel power switch a >> few times. (Count to 10 between each try, see if green MB LED turns on) > > Good point. Maybe this is what you meant but also try holding the > button for 5-10 seconds as well. > >> If that doesn't work, try "aggressively" using the front panel switch. >> Sometimes the front panel switch start to fail and they have a hard time >> turning on the signal that tells the system to power up. > > Just trace the switch wires back to the MB jumper header then manually > jumper the connection yourself. If there are 2 wires the jump is > obvious--3 wires you may want to check the MB manual to make sure you > jump the right ones. Only need to jump briefly...this will eliminate > the switch as the culprit. > > Also try unplugging the PS from the wall for 30 sec to cold cycle > everything. > > Also, you can check the PS simply enough (assuming it's an ATX): > -unplug it from the MB (leave at least one HDD connected for a load...PS > will power off if no load) > -compare the MB connector to the one here: > http://xtronics.com/reference/atx_pinout.htm > -if the same, jump (with paper clip...be careful!) pin 14 to 15 together > -PS should power on (fan(s) spin, HDD(s) spin up) > >>>I stopped in at a computer shop on 122A in Holden this afternoon and was >>>quoted a $35 "bench fee" for taking a look at it and $75/hr to do any >>>work. Like I said before, all the parts are still under warranty >>> through >>>New Egg and I'd happily send them back but I need to figure out what's >>> not >>>working. > > Forget PC shops, IMO...they're only going to do the simple tests you can > find on lists like these anyway ;-) > > BR > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)

by Bob George

Keller, Tim wrote: > I don't see where hosting would much of a problem at all. The trick > is to charge for it. WLUG members who wanted an account on the box > would each pay in a couple bucks a month and that money would be used > to pay to host the box. I'd hope that would be Plan B. Obviously, it won't be free. A worst-case, most limiting scenario would be using a virtual private server/UML arrangement, though that would only scale so far. Still, at $20 or so per month, I don't think every user would have to commit. (I realize that places rather substantial limits on the size of the thing.) > If somebody had a decent speakeasy type (allows servers, has decent > bandwidth) account, that money could be used to pay the electric bill > for the box(s), add capacity, etc. Then you host an webpage,distro > respository,irc channel, etc. off of it. That's actually an option I hadn't thought of, but I suppose it could be used for prototyping. As to the other features, that's where the design goals would be critical. "Feature creep" could be deadly! - Bob

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)

by Bob George

Jeff Moyer wrote: >[...] >Show me the prototype, and I'll arrange for a machine to host the beta. If >anyone cared to donate a second machine, I could even setup a failover >cluster for you. > > Excellent! And thank you much, Jeff. One significant barrier falls away. Now the rest of the boatload of challenges! >So, who's taking the first crack at the design goals? > > I'm primarily a WLUG-lurker, having not made a meeting yet since moving here last year. I don't want to be presumptuous, but I had a good conversation in the IRC channel during which some good questions were posed. I'd be happy to do up a list of design goals and post them here. I'm also NOT a skilled developer (I pre-date C++, coding-skill-wise) but do quite a bit of configuration and tweaking on my own systems, so I can offer up some of the skills. Any thoughts? - Bob

Sept. 17, 2004