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Re: [Wlug] video confrencing

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 24 September 2004 10:14 am, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > Was wondering if anyone could suggest a USB cam that works well with > the video4linux API that will work with > http://www.gnomemeeting.org/ > > > Or if you had any other video conferencing SW or HW suggestions? > Something both for me to use on linux and for the corprate managemet > type of people to use. Well, my USB cam (Logitech 4000) worked great when I used it with GnomeMeeting, but now its driver is mired in some controversy (it uses the pwc/pwcx driver which was recently removed from the Linux kernel source tree). Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBVMNgHl0iXDssISsRApp0AJ4/9y2ouFuHNqtyveszPqlVAM/FyQCfWg8c USGeQnjPht/AtN05lHJbnP0= =C9/r -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 25, 2004

video confrencing

by Karl Hiramoto

Was wondering if anyone could suggest a USB cam that works well with the video4linux API that will work with http://www.gnomemeeting.org/ Or if you had any other video conferencing SW or HW suggestions? Something both for me to use on linux and for the corprate managemet type of people to use. -- -- Karl Hiramoto karl at hiramoto dot org http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Mobile: 508.517.4819 Work: 978-425-2090

Sept. 24, 2004

yum repository for Aurora?

by Bill Smith

Would anyone here HAPPEN to know of any yum repositories for Aurora Linux (Sparc flavor, 1.0 is based on RH 7.3, 1.9x is based on Fedora)? I've been looking for a repository for upgrading my 1.0 installation to the latest 1.91/1.92, but I cannot find an up-to-date repository. 8( (For anyone that's curious, I'm running Aurora on my Sparc Ultra60...) Any assistance would be greatly appreciated... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com "Uncouple faith from truth altogether, and bad things can happen. People come to believe without truth, and then the truth becomes something nobody will believe." -- Charles P. Pierce (in 'The Truth About Polygraphs', 2003/10/03 edition of Boston Globe Magazine, p18) * TAG! v3.1a *

Sept. 24, 2004

PHP and .forward

by Chuck Haines

Here is a question for you PHP fans out there. I'm attemping to create a webpage that will change, delete, create, etc a users .forward file. I want to do it in PHP and was curious if anyone knew of a current php script that would do this for me. I would write it myself, but why re-invent the wheel if I don't have to. Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

Sept. 20, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations

by Martin, Eric

You Do it Electronics down 128 has an ATX power supply tester for under $10...I also have one if you want to borrow it and Newegg should have one too. All you do is plug it in to your PS Motherboard connector, and flip the switch. If a green light comes on, it's good. It also has test points. -----Original Message----- From: Brett Russ [mailto:icycle@charter.net] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 9:19 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations track(a)trackspace.com wrote: > Secondly, I jumped the 14 and 15 pins (with a bent paperclip) on the > ATX connector while leaving one HDD (and absolutely nothing else) > plugged in - nothing happened. If I understood you correctly, that > should at least power the HDD up? Are there any other visual/aural > clues that I'm looking for? I'd assume that both the PS fan and the HDD would spin up. You might not hear the HDD spinup, you might have to unmount it and feel for the gyro effect. But without the PS fan spinning, I doubt it's powering the drive. > Should the paperclip get warm assuming there's a current passing > through it? No, there shouldn't be current flowing through the clip. > When I plugged the cord in from the wall into the socket in the back > of the case, I did hear that "click" (for lack of a better word) you > hear when you plug anything into a socket. I know at least the juice > is getting into the box... I don't usually hear a click when plugging in a PS to the wall. Maybe this is a sign that it's bad. > Based on this, would you assume the power supply is the likely culprit > and that the next logical step would be to try testing my hardware on > another ATX power supply? My only concern is that the LED lights up, > which to me would mean the mobo is getting >>>some<<< power. I would definitely try another ATX supply if you can. At this point I am not sure what could be wrong if it's not the PS. BR _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 20, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Re: Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting?

by Martin, Eric

Cool, thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:52 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] Re: Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting? Martin, Eric wrote: >Vps? > > Virtual Private Server, using usermode linux (UML) or similar to provide a virtual dedicated host on which I can run as root and configure everything just the way I want it. Ideally with a dedicated IP which I can point reverse-DNS at. Much more control than with the typical, inexpensive hosting setup (cpanel, etc.) and for not much more per month. - Bob _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 20, 2004

Need LSI 1030 IT for SCO 5.0.6

by aramico＠duahati.com

Friends, Can somebody help me here... I need LSI 103o IT root disk controller driver for SCO 5.0.6 I have a new PC, HP ML 350 G4 that must be installed with SCO 5.0.6 but its said that no root risk controller found. I have done so many things to make it enable, but seem unsuccessful so far. I have download it from the internet and its still not much helpin' me. Thanks Aramico Note : Sorry that its a little bit far from Linux's case.

Sept. 20, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations

by Brett Russ

track(a)trackspace.com wrote: > Secondly, I jumped the 14 and 15 pins (with a bent paperclip) on the ATX > connector while leaving one HDD (and absolutely nothing else) plugged in - > nothing happened. If I understood you correctly, that should at least > power the HDD up? Are there any other visual/aural clues that I'm looking > for? I'd assume that both the PS fan and the HDD would spin up. You might not hear the HDD spinup, you might have to unmount it and feel for the gyro effect. But without the PS fan spinning, I doubt it's powering the drive. > Should the paperclip get warm assuming there's a current passing > through it? No, there shouldn't be current flowing through the clip. > When I plugged the cord in from the wall into the socket in > the back of the case, I did hear that "click" (for lack of a better word) > you hear when you plug anything into a socket. I know at least the juice > is getting into the box... I don't usually hear a click when plugging in a PS to the wall. Maybe this is a sign that it's bad. > Based on this, would you assume the power supply is the likely culprit and > that the next logical step would be to try testing my hardware on another > ATX power supply? My only concern is that the LED lights up, which to me > would mean the mobo is getting >>>some<<< power. I would definitely try another ATX supply if you can. At this point I am not sure what could be wrong if it's not the PS. BR

Sept. 18, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting?

by Steve Freitag

I've had a UML based system with http://www.linode.com for over a year and have been very happy with it and linode.com. The lowest cost system, "Linode 64", is $19.95 a month. (Extra disk space if you sign up for a year.) You have full control, create partitions, install the distro, root access etc. The web based interface (Linode Platform Manager) used to partition, install etc is pretty good also. Check out the forums for what others have to say http://www.linode.com/forums/index.php Bob George wrote: > I'm looking for an inexpensive vps hosting option (UML-based or > similar) that will allow me full control over server configuration. > Are there any that are recommended? > > Thanks, > > - Bob > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 17, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting?

by Webmaster＠atari-users.net

I use www.serverpronto.com for my domains and highly recommend them. It's a dedicated server for the price of a virtual. $29/month with a your choice of OS. FreeBSD, Red Hat, Suse, Debian, Fedora and I think Gentoo also(It use to be listed, just ask for it). Plus the crappy Windows, but that cost more. The only issue I have is the $149 setup fee, which I think is high, but this month they have a special with $80 off the fee. Rob >-----Original Message----- >From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org]On >Behalf Of Bob George >Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:13 AM >To: Worcester Linux Users Group >Subject: [Wlug] Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting? > > >I'm looking for an inexpensive vps hosting option (UML-based or similar) >that will allow me full control over server configuration. Are there any > that are recommended? > >Thanks, > >- Bob >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations

by track＠trackspace.com

Brett, Thanks for the reply. I took your advice and tried a couple of things. First, I jumpered the on/off switch connection on the mobo and still got the same results (nothing spins up, red LED on mobo comes and stays on). Secondly, I jumped the 14 and 15 pins (with a bent paperclip) on the ATX connector while leaving one HDD (and absolutely nothing else) plugged in - nothing happened. If I understood you correctly, that should at least power the HDD up? Are there any other visual/aural clues that I'm looking for? Should the paperclip get warm assuming there's a current passing through it? When I plugged the cord in from the wall into the socket in the back of the case, I did hear that "click" (for lack of a better word) you hear when you plug anything into a socket. I know at least the juice is getting into the box... Based on this, would you assume the power supply is the likely culprit and that the next logical step would be to try testing my hardware on another ATX power supply? My only concern is that the LED lights up, which to me would mean the mobo is getting >>>some<<< power. Let me know when you get a chance and I REALLY appreciate your advice and suggestions! :) Thanks, Tim > Jeff Kinz wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 05:30:21PM -0400, track(a)trackspace.com wrote: >> >>>Thank you for all that responded. I'll try to summarize the answers to >>>all the follow-up questions in one reply. >>> >>>When I turn the power on, nothing happens except a red LED on the >>>motherboard lights up. The CPU fan doesn't spin, the computer doesn't >>>beep - nothing (so no beeps or POST codes). The weird thing is that >>> when >>>I turn the power switch off, the LED stays lit for another 5-6 seconds. >>>I'm not sure if that means anything though... > > That's just the capacitance stored up in the MB caps. That's the reason > people say to wait 10 seconds between powering off and powering on. > This also would seem to be a sign that the PS is feeding power. > >> Do the power supply fans spin? > > I assume not, since he says above "nothing happens" :-) > >> the Abit NF7 with MB LEDs has two power LEDs - the red one, when lit, >> indicates standby by power. The green one, when lit, indicates the >> machine is powered up. >> >> You seem be stuck in standby mode. Try the front panel power switch a >> few times. (Count to 10 between each try, see if green MB LED turns on) > > Good point. Maybe this is what you meant but also try holding the > button for 5-10 seconds as well. > >> If that doesn't work, try "aggressively" using the front panel switch. >> Sometimes the front panel switch start to fail and they have a hard time >> turning on the signal that tells the system to power up. > > Just trace the switch wires back to the MB jumper header then manually > jumper the connection yourself. If there are 2 wires the jump is > obvious--3 wires you may want to check the MB manual to make sure you > jump the right ones. Only need to jump briefly...this will eliminate > the switch as the culprit. > > Also try unplugging the PS from the wall for 30 sec to cold cycle > everything. > > Also, you can check the PS simply enough (assuming it's an ATX): > -unplug it from the MB (leave at least one HDD connected for a load...PS > will power off if no load) > -compare the MB connector to the one here: > http://xtronics.com/reference/atx_pinout.htm > -if the same, jump (with paper clip...be careful!) pin 14 to 15 together > -PS should power on (fan(s) spin, HDD(s) spin up) > >>>I stopped in at a computer shop on 122A in Holden this afternoon and was >>>quoted a $35 "bench fee" for taking a look at it and $75/hr to do any >>>work. Like I said before, all the parts are still under warranty >>> through >>>New Egg and I'd happily send them back but I need to figure out what's >>> not >>>working. > > Forget PC shops, IMO...they're only going to do the simple tests you can > find on lists like these anyway ;-) > > BR > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)

by Bob George

Keller, Tim wrote: > I don't see where hosting would much of a problem at all. The trick > is to charge for it. WLUG members who wanted an account on the box > would each pay in a couple bucks a month and that money would be used > to pay to host the box. I'd hope that would be Plan B. Obviously, it won't be free. A worst-case, most limiting scenario would be using a virtual private server/UML arrangement, though that would only scale so far. Still, at $20 or so per month, I don't think every user would have to commit. (I realize that places rather substantial limits on the size of the thing.) > If somebody had a decent speakeasy type (allows servers, has decent > bandwidth) account, that money could be used to pay the electric bill > for the box(s), add capacity, etc. Then you host an webpage,distro > respository,irc channel, etc. off of it. That's actually an option I hadn't thought of, but I suppose it could be used for prototyping. As to the other features, that's where the design goals would be critical. "Feature creep" could be deadly! - Bob

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)

by Bob George

Jeff Moyer wrote: >[...] >Show me the prototype, and I'll arrange for a machine to host the beta. If >anyone cared to donate a second machine, I could even setup a failover >cluster for you. > > Excellent! And thank you much, Jeff. One significant barrier falls away. Now the rest of the boatload of challenges! >So, who's taking the first crack at the design goals? > > I'm primarily a WLUG-lurker, having not made a meeting yet since moving here last year. I don't want to be presumptuous, but I had a good conversation in the IRC channel during which some good questions were posed. I'd be happy to do up a list of design goals and post them here. I'm also NOT a skilled developer (I pre-date C++, coding-skill-wise) but do quite a bit of configuration and tweaking on my own systems, so I can offer up some of the skills. Any thoughts? - Bob

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)

by Bob George

Marc Hughes wrote: >Comparing it to a gmail account, it's the development time that's an >issue. Google has spent a lot of time, and a lot of money getting a >solution as good as gmail is. > Agreed that "blowing away gmail" is shooting way too high. I'd envisioned it as more of addressing the "I love gmail, but I wish it would do THIS", serving ONLY on a small, focused community of users (i.e. a LUG). The searchability etc. offered by gmail is going to be tough to match, but I suspect there are some interesting things that could be done with bayes etc. as individual sub-projects that would be interesting enough. >To date, I've never used a better email >client whether web-based or not. Just whipping together free software >will not give an equivilant solution. > > Agreed. I see challenges on multiple levels. Which is exactly why I see it as a possible GROUP activity, where hopefully everyone's focused on the parts they enjoy. - Bob

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites)

by Bob George

Charles R. Anderson wrote: >This is what I see. Please don't use HTML-encoded e-mail. Thanks. > > *grumble* or thread hijacking *grumble* - Bob

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting?

by Bob George

Martin, Eric wrote: >Vps? > > Virtual Private Server, using usermode linux (UML) or similar to provide a virtual dedicated host on which I can run as root and configure everything just the way I want it. Ideally with a dedicated IP which I can point reverse-DNS at. Much more control than with the typical, inexpensive hosting setup (cpanel, etc.) and for not much more per month. - Bob

Sept. 17, 2004

RE: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)

by Keller, Tim

There weren't any notes since I did a live demo... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Vadeboncoeur [mailto:mrv@kluge.net] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:23 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: RE: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites) On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, JONATHAN BEALL wrote: JB>Sorry, i missed the last meeting (High Holydays). i was really interested JB>in the Gentoo meeting, and had wanted to ask if anyone in the group is JB>currently running MythTV... JB> JB>I have an older sony viao, that has some mildly difficult hardware to JB>detect, and wanted to buy a videocard and make it a PVR. JB> JB>anyone have any thoughts? and a summary of the gentoo install? i JB>considered it once, but was scared away... =) taken from: http://www.wlug.org/slides.html <quote> Live Demo: A Linux Digital Video Recorder (April 16, 2003) Presented by Tim Keller WLUG member Tim Keller spoke about his experience building a digital video recorder using a video capture card and the Myth TV software. Tim mentioned that any video capture card which is supported by Video4Linux should work with Myth TV. (Other video capture cards may also work). As a video source, Tim used his Nintendo. </quote> very little more info is in this thread from the same time: http://paramount.ind.wpi.edu/pipermail/wlug/2003-April/002747.html Sorry, I wasn't at the last meeting, and notes from it doesn't seem to have made it to the wlug website yet... -- --==*==-- --==*==-- Michelle R. Vadeboncoeur --==*==-- --==*==-- mrv(a)kluge.net: http://www.kluge.net/~mrv/ _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 17, 2004

RE: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites)

by Michelle Vadeboncoeur

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, JONATHAN BEALL wrote: JB>Sorry, i missed the last meeting (High Holydays). i was really interested JB>in the Gentoo meeting, and had wanted to ask if anyone in the group is JB>currently running MythTV... JB> JB>I have an older sony viao, that has some mildly difficult hardware to JB>detect, and wanted to buy a videocard and make it a PVR. JB> JB>anyone have any thoughts? and a summary of the gentoo install? i JB>considered it once, but was scared away... =) taken from: http://www.wlug.org/slides.html <quote> Live Demo: A Linux Digital Video Recorder (April 16, 2003) Presented by Tim Keller WLUG member Tim Keller spoke about his experience building a digital video recorder using a video capture card and the Myth TV software. Tim mentioned that any video capture card which is supported by Video4Linux should work with Myth TV. (Other video capture cards may also work). As a video source, Tim used his Nintendo. </quote> very little more info is in this thread from the same time: http://paramount.ind.wpi.edu/pipermail/wlug/2003-April/002747.html Sorry, I wasn't at the last meeting, and notes from it doesn't seem to have made it to the wlug website yet... -- --==*==-- --==*==-- Michelle R. Vadeboncoeur --==*==-- --==*==-- mrv(a)kluge.net: http://www.kluge.net/~mrv/

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites)

by Charles R. Anderson

This is what I see. Please don't use HTML-encoded e-mail. Thanks. >From wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org Fri Sep 17 11:28:44 2004 From: "JONATHAN BEALL" <joncbeall(a)hotmail.com> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:20:01 -0400 Subject: RE: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites) Message-ID: <BAY2-F34j05SO6v4Apw0001f724(a)hotmail.com> Precedence: list Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> [-- Attachment #1 --] [-- Type: text/html, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 5.4K --] [-- text/html is unsupported (use 'v' to view this part) --] [-- Attachment #2 --] [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 0.1K --] _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 17, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting?

by Martin, Eric

Vps? -----Original Message----- From: Mike Frysinger [mailto:vapier@gentoo.org] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:16 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting? On Friday 17 September 2004 10:12 am, Bob George wrote: > I'm looking for an inexpensive vps hosting option (UML-based or > similar) that will allow me full control over server configuration. Are there any > that are recommended? i use bytemark (www.bytemark.co.uk) and they're pretty good ... had them for almost a year now ... -mike _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 17, 2004

RE: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)

by Brian J. Conway

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Keller, Tim wrote: > I don't see where hosting would much of a problem at all. The trick is to > charge for it. WLUG members who wanted an account on the box would each pay > in a couple bucks a month and that money would be used to pay to host the > box. If somebody had a decent speakeasy type (allows servers, has decent > bandwidth) account, that money could be used to pay the electric bill for > the box(s), add capacity, etc. Then you host an webpage,distro > respository,irc channel, etc. off of it. > > Tim. Thus answering, with multiple valid points, the original question of why someone would want to use Gmail. Thank you, Tim. ;) -b

Sept. 17, 2004

RE: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites)

by JONATHAN BEALL

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)

by Marc Hughes

Comparing it to a gmail account, it's the development time that's an issue. Google has spent a lot of time, and a lot of money getting a solution as good as gmail is. To date, I've never used a better email client whether web-based or not. Just whipping together free software will not give an equivilant solution. Comparing it to hotmail plus a gig of storage... sure, it's easy to beat that. -Marc On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:11:46 -0400, Keller, Tim <tim.keller(a)stratus.com> wrote: > I don't see where hosting would much of a problem at all. The trick is to > charge for it. WLUG members who wanted an account on the box would each pay > in a couple bucks a month and that money would be used to pay to host the > box. If somebody had a decent speakeasy type (allows servers, has decent > bandwidth) account, that money could be used to pay the electric bill for > the box(s), add capacity, etc. Then you host an webpage,distro > respository,irc channel, etc. off of it. > > Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Haines [mailto:chaines@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:04 AM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail > invit es) > > > I'd definitely be interested, but I agree, hosting would be the big issue. > > Chuck > > On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:03:27 -0400, Martin, Eric <martine(a)worc.k12.ma.us> > wrote: > > > > I like the idea, could be fun! However, I think hosting would be the > > biggest hump... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] > > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:55 PM > > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > > Subject: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites) > > > > Frank Sweetser wrote: > > > > >>[...] > > >>Is there a benefit to having a gmail account, other than the free > > >>space? > > > > > > Gmail actually is pretty neat. The whole archive and search vs > > > folders takes a little getting used to, but I think they implemented > > > it pretty nicely. It ends up giving you a very flexible view of your > > > email archives. > > > > > > Oh yeah, and it's about an order of magnitutde faster than any other > > > webmail service I've tried =) > > > > As a long time Linux enthusiast, I've never quite understood the thrill > > of having 1GB of my personal data stored on someone else's server, much > > less on one that is hosted by a company that -- while mostly playing > > nice now -- reserves the right to do whatever with that data later. > > > > I've also not understood why that would be any more attractive than the > > building of a (better, faster, bigger) server of my own, particularly > > given the wealth of tools available to us GPL. > > > > On the BLU list recently, there was much discussion about building a > > cluster, but plans stalled when the reality of power and HVAC were > > detailed. However, hosting a box or two somewhere didn't seem to be an > > issue. > > > > So... For the tech-minded but still willing to store personal stuff > > outside, wouldn't a secure, private (as in gpg) and shared Gmail > > alternative make a good LUG project? > > > > I know many folks are looking for ways to get experience doing > > real-world things, and enough of us probably are interested in specific > > aspects of this to be involved at varying levels. Others may have > > hardware available for dontation. > > > > So... > > 1.) Is there interest in something like this > > 2.) Where could it be housed/hosted and what would it cost? > > > > Advantages I see are: > > 1.) A cool LUG project. I haven't heard of anyone doing this, and it > > makes for a nice "Gmail? Hah!" response at techie gatherings. > > 2.) A good hands-on project for the curious (apache, webmail, gpg/pgp, > > spamassassin, system hardening, procmail, php/whatever, mysql, etc.) > > 3.) We can address Gmail shortcomings > > 4.) We can enhance security and privacy (gpg/pgp, encrypted data and > > other options come to mind) > > 5.) We can allow users more direct (and effective) spam control > > (spamassassin, milters come to mind -- allow each user more control!) > > 6.) We can allow POP/IMAP access to/from the server (secure SMTP?) > > 7.) A good place to store LUG files etc. (be good now) > > 8.) Cool WLUG domain names! > > > > Disadvantages abound of course: > > 1.) Time - Effort to get started, and over the hump > > 2.) Money - Hosting primarily > > 3.) Support - Who'll fix it > > 4.) Scalability - Will it be killed by success? How much room can be > > allocated per-user? How big of a box before it buckles? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > -- > Chuck Haines > chaines(a)gmail.com > ------------------------------------------- > Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity > WPI Class of 2005 > ------------------------------------------- > AIM: CyberGrex > YIM: CyberGrex_27 > ICQ: 3707881 > ------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting?

by Mike Frysinger

On Friday 17 September 2004 10:12 am, Bob George wrote: > I'm looking for an inexpensive vps hosting option (UML-based or similar) > that will allow me full control over server configuration. Are there any > that are recommended? i use bytemark (www.bytemark.co.uk) and they're pretty good ... had them for almost a year now ... -mike

Sept. 17, 2004

RE: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)

by Keller, Tim

I don't see where hosting would much of a problem at all. The trick is to charge for it. WLUG members who wanted an account on the box would each pay in a couple bucks a month and that money would be used to pay to host the box. If somebody had a decent speakeasy type (allows servers, has decent bandwidth) account, that money could be used to pay the electric bill for the box(s), add capacity, etc. Then you host an webpage,distro respository,irc channel, etc. off of it. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Haines [mailto:chaines@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:04 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es) I'd definitely be interested, but I agree, hosting would be the big issue. Chuck On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:03:27 -0400, Martin, Eric <martine(a)worc.k12.ma.us> wrote: > I like the idea, could be fun! However, I think hosting would be the > biggest hump... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:55 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites) > > Frank Sweetser wrote: > > >>[...] > >>Is there a benefit to having a gmail account, other than the free > >>space? > > > > Gmail actually is pretty neat. The whole archive and search vs > > folders takes a little getting used to, but I think they implemented > > it pretty nicely. It ends up giving you a very flexible view of your > > email archives. > > > > Oh yeah, and it's about an order of magnitutde faster than any other > > webmail service I've tried =) > > As a long time Linux enthusiast, I've never quite understood the thrill > of having 1GB of my personal data stored on someone else's server, much > less on one that is hosted by a company that -- while mostly playing > nice now -- reserves the right to do whatever with that data later. > > I've also not understood why that would be any more attractive than the > building of a (better, faster, bigger) server of my own, particularly > given the wealth of tools available to us GPL. > > On the BLU list recently, there was much discussion about building a > cluster, but plans stalled when the reality of power and HVAC were > detailed. However, hosting a box or two somewhere didn't seem to be an > issue. > > So... For the tech-minded but still willing to store personal stuff > outside, wouldn't a secure, private (as in gpg) and shared Gmail > alternative make a good LUG project? > > I know many folks are looking for ways to get experience doing > real-world things, and enough of us probably are interested in specific > aspects of this to be involved at varying levels. Others may have > hardware available for dontation. > > So... > 1.) Is there interest in something like this > 2.) Where could it be housed/hosted and what would it cost? > > Advantages I see are: > 1.) A cool LUG project. I haven't heard of anyone doing this, and it > makes for a nice "Gmail? Hah!" response at techie gatherings. > 2.) A good hands-on project for the curious (apache, webmail, gpg/pgp, > spamassassin, system hardening, procmail, php/whatever, mysql, etc.) > 3.) We can address Gmail shortcomings > 4.) We can enhance security and privacy (gpg/pgp, encrypted data and > other options come to mind) > 5.) We can allow users more direct (and effective) spam control > (spamassassin, milters come to mind -- allow each user more control!) > 6.) We can allow POP/IMAP access to/from the server (secure SMTP?) > 7.) A good place to store LUG files etc. (be good now) > 8.) Cool WLUG domain names! > > Disadvantages abound of course: > 1.) Time - Effort to get started, and over the hump > 2.) Money - Hosting primarily > 3.) Support - Who'll fix it > 4.) Scalability - Will it be killed by success? How much room can be > allocated per-user? How big of a box before it buckles? > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 17, 2004