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YAICB (Yet Another Intel Cpu Bug) only worse...

by Tim Keller

We should definitely talk about the huge flaw that was just found the CSME on intel cpu's from the last five years and how intel has admitted it's entirely unpatchable... https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/6/21167782/intel-processor-flaw-root-of-tru… Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 10, 2020

Re: WLUG Meeting March 12th 2019!

by Richard Klein

Meetup worked; it was already on my calendar. See you then! On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 12:15 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > We've got a meeting! > Date @ Time: March 12, 2019 @ 7pm > Location: WPI Student Center Rm 129 (Chairman's Conference Room) at the > bottom of the stairs. > Topic: TBD but I thought we might talk about subsonic and plex. > > I guess we should also talk about people working remotely and the > technologies that exist on linux for remote desktop access as well. > > Refreshments and snacks will be provided and we'll head off for dinner > afterwards. > > Sorry for the last notice. > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/GG2YW… >

March 10, 2020

WLUG Meeting March 12th 2019!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting! Date @ Time: March 12, 2019 @ 7pm Location: WPI Student Center Rm 129 (Chairman's Conference Room) at the bottom of the stairs. Topic: TBD but I thought we might talk about subsonic and plex. I guess we should also talk about people working remotely and the technologies that exist on linux for remote desktop access as well. Refreshments and snacks will be provided and we'll head off for dinner afterwards. Sorry for the last notice. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 10, 2020

Re: Greetings

by Aljerin Butler,Jr.

Hi Forrest, Linux newbie? Please feel free to explore my website. Al Butler Custom Desktop Solutions (http://customdesktopsolutions.mywebcommunity.org/) On Sunday, March 1, 2020, 2:11:06 PM EST, John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: Hi Forrest, Welcome to WLUG! Please feel free to ask any linux questions you have on this list, and please do come to the next meeting where we have a good group of people who are willing to step up and help people. I have a couple of RaspberryPis I run for various things, along with my main server I run at home for backups and file storage. We have a wide variety of people with various levels of experience and I'm sure they'll chime in soon. Cheers, John >>>>> "madserge---" == madserge--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: madserge---> My name is Forrest I am a gamer and a Linux enthusiast madserge---> that mainly uses a Arch Based distro called Manjaro. My madserge---> friend reached out to the group for me and then emailed madserge---> and told me about it so I thought I would create a madserge---> account and introduce myself. I would also like to say my madserge---> level of understanding is probably more on the beginners madserge---> level of things and have been learning slowly and would madserge---> like to learn more about other things like raspberry pis madserge---> and servers since I recently obtained a server from a madserge---> family members work because they upgraded, I will also madserge---> leave specs of the two custom built computers I own and madserge---> the name of the server I have down below, I look forward madserge---> to meeting you all next meeting. madserge---> Sincerely, madserge---> Forrest madserge---> Server: madserge---> Dell PowerEdge 2950 (Minimal Manjaro XFCE Installed) madserge---> Raid Slots 6 madserge---> Hard Disk Drives 6 (2 146GB 10K RPM, 4 600GB 15K RPM) madserge---> That's all I know atm madserge---> Custom PC's: madserge---> Current Rig madserge---> Case: NZXT H440 (EnVyUs Edition) madserge---> Mobo: ASRock Fatal1ty Z270 Gaming K6 madserge---> GPU: EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC2 (11GB GDDR5X) madserge---> CPU: Intel i7 7700K Quad Core 4.2 GHz (No Overclock) madserge---> RAM: 16GB G.SKILL Ripjaws V DDR4 3200 madserge---> HDD: 2TB FireCuda (SSHD) + 2TB FireCuda (SSHD) + 250GB Samsung 850 EVO (SSD) + 1TB Crucial M.2 NVMe SSD madserge---> OS: Windows 10 Pro / Manjaro KDE madserge---> Other Rig madserge---> Case: NZXT H440 madserge---> Mobo: Asrock Z75 Pro3 madserge---> GPU: EVGA GTX 980Ti Hybrid (6GB GDDR5) madserge---> CPU: Intel Core i7 2600 Quad Core 3.4 GHz (Overclocked to 4GHz) madserge---> RAM: 16 GB DDR3 1600 madserge---> HDD: 2TB (7200RPM HDD) + 128GB (SSD) madserge---> OS: Windows 10 Pro 64Bit madserge---> _______________________________________________ madserge---> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org madserge---> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org madserge---> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ madserge---> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ madserge---> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RKSIA… _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/J4O5V…

March 2, 2020

Re: Greetings

by John Stoffel

Hi Forrest, Welcome to WLUG! Please feel free to ask any linux questions you have on this list, and please do come to the next meeting where we have a good group of people who are willing to step up and help people. I have a couple of RaspberryPis I run for various things, along with my main server I run at home for backups and file storage. We have a wide variety of people with various levels of experience and I'm sure they'll chime in soon. Cheers, John >>>>> "madserge---" == madserge--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: madserge---> My name is Forrest I am a gamer and a Linux enthusiast madserge---> that mainly uses a Arch Based distro called Manjaro. My madserge---> friend reached out to the group for me and then emailed madserge---> and told me about it so I thought I would create a madserge---> account and introduce myself. I would also like to say my madserge---> level of understanding is probably more on the beginners madserge---> level of things and have been learning slowly and would madserge---> like to learn more about other things like raspberry pis madserge---> and servers since I recently obtained a server from a madserge---> family members work because they upgraded, I will also madserge---> leave specs of the two custom built computers I own and madserge---> the name of the server I have down below, I look forward madserge---> to meeting you all next meeting. madserge---> Sincerely, madserge---> Forrest madserge---> Server: madserge---> Dell PowerEdge 2950 (Minimal Manjaro XFCE Installed) madserge---> Raid Slots 6 madserge---> Hard Disk Drives 6 (2 146GB 10K RPM, 4 600GB 15K RPM) madserge---> That's all I know atm madserge---> Custom PC's: madserge---> Current Rig madserge---> Case: NZXT H440 (EnVyUs Edition) madserge---> Mobo: ASRock Fatal1ty Z270 Gaming K6 madserge---> GPU: EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC2 (11GB GDDR5X) madserge---> CPU: Intel i7 7700K Quad Core 4.2 GHz (No Overclock) madserge---> RAM: 16GB G.SKILL Ripjaws V DDR4 3200 madserge---> HDD: 2TB FireCuda (SSHD) + 2TB FireCuda (SSHD) + 250GB Samsung 850 EVO (SSD) + 1TB Crucial M.2 NVMe SSD madserge---> OS: Windows 10 Pro / Manjaro KDE madserge---> Other Rig madserge---> Case: NZXT H440 madserge---> Mobo: Asrock Z75 Pro3 madserge---> GPU: EVGA GTX 980Ti Hybrid (6GB GDDR5) madserge---> CPU: Intel Core i7 2600 Quad Core 3.4 GHz (Overclocked to 4GHz) madserge---> RAM: 16 GB DDR3 1600 madserge---> HDD: 2TB (7200RPM HDD) + 128GB (SSD) madserge---> OS: Windows 10 Pro 64Bit madserge---> _______________________________________________ madserge---> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org madserge---> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org madserge---> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ madserge---> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ madserge---> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RKSIA…

March 1, 2020

Greetings

by madserge＠pm.me

Hello, My name is Forrest I am a gamer and a Linux enthusiast that mainly uses a Arch Based distro called Manjaro. My friend reached out to the group for me and then emailed and told me about it so I thought I would create a account and introduce myself. I would also like to say my level of understanding is probably more on the beginners level of things and have been learning slowly and would like to learn more about other things like raspberry pis and servers since I recently obtained a server from a family members work because they upgraded, I will also leave specs of the two custom built computers I own and the name of the server I have down below, I look forward to meeting you all next meeting. Sincerely, Forrest Server: Dell PowerEdge 2950 (Minimal Manjaro XFCE Installed) Raid Slots 6 Hard Disk Drives 6 (2 146GB 10K RPM, 4 600GB 15K RPM) That's all I know atm Custom PC's: Current Rig Case: NZXT H440 (EnVyUs Edition) Mobo: ASRock Fatal1ty Z270 Gaming K6 GPU: EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC2 (11GB GDDR5X) CPU: Intel i7 7700K Quad Core 4.2 GHz (No Overclock) RAM: 16GB G.SKILL Ripjaws V DDR4 3200 HDD: 2TB FireCuda (SSHD) + 2TB FireCuda (SSHD) + 250GB Samsung 850 EVO (SSD) + 1TB Crucial M.2 NVMe SSD OS: Windows 10 Pro / Manjaro KDE Other Rig Case: NZXT H440 Mobo: Asrock Z75 Pro3 GPU: EVGA GTX 980Ti Hybrid (6GB GDDR5) CPU: Intel Core i7 2600 Quad Core 3.4 GHz (Overclocked to 4GHz) RAM: 16 GB DDR3 1600 HDD: 2TB (7200RPM HDD) + 128GB (SSD) OS: Windows 10 Pro 64Bit

Feb. 28, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: GRUB failure

by Richard Klein

I'll try moving the Windows drive to the SSD's port. This computer pre-dates M.2 by quite a bit. SanDisk just approved the RMA, but it looks like they aren't shipping out a replacement until they receive the old drive: "• Our normal processing and shipping time is 7-10 business days AFTER receiving your package." -- Rich On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 4:13 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Richard> It's a 1TB SanDisk SSD Plus that I bought in July, 2018. > Richard> It's the OS drive in a computer that runs 24/7, primarily as > Richard> a Plex server, but the media is on a different, spinning > Richard> drive. > > That does sound like it died too early... do you have one of those > USB-to-SATA devices you could use to plug into another computer just > to see if it's alive? > > Another option is to install Knoppix or some other bootable distro on > a thumb drive and boot there to see what you find. > > As for the Windows and GRUB issue, I'm not expert enough to make it > work without some more details from you. It might be enough to just > move the Windows boot drive to the same port that the SSD used to be > on. Assuming it's a SATA port and not an M.2 port (which can be > SATA). > > John >

Feb. 16, 2020

Reminder: Meeting tonight! Topic: TBD! Open Forum, etc.

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting tonight! Location: WPI Campus Center Room 304 (Peterson Conference Room) Topic: TBD, open forum, etc. I'm going to show off Visual Studio Code for Linux running on my laptop with the emacs, git and python integrations I've been using. That'll probably be pretty quick and then we can open it up to a general discussion around what's going on in linux, what people are interested in and what people would like to see for topics. There will possibly be some new people since I've created the Meetup site. Snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll head off for dinner afterwards. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 13, 2020

Meeting today

by Joshua Stone

Hey all, I'm sorry to say that I won't be able to attend today's meeting because I have some last minute errands to do. Sorry about that! - Josh

Feb. 13, 2020

Topics for upcoming meetings..

by Tim Keller

I've got some updates and ideas for the upcoming meetings! I've reached out to Daniel Moghimi about doing a talk regarding his work on the various security issues he's found in modern CPUs. He's agreed to speak either March or April. I'll work to finalize the details with him. I'm definitely interested in doing a Keysigning party, we'll just have to work out the logistics and what additional presentations that we'd like to go along with it. I know a while a go Eric Martin showed off a cool keyfob that had his key stored in it. I recently stumbled across a cool technology called "Node Red" which people are using to do automation stuff with IoT and MTQQ. https://www.nodered.org It allows you to create flows using their graphing engine. Another piece of software that people might find interesting is subsonic <http://www.subsonic.org/>. It lets you run your own music streaming service. This way you're not subjected to whatever algorithm spotify / pandora / etc wants to subject you to! I recently helped a buddy build a home nas to run it and it's pretty damn slick. Let me know if you have any more ideas for meeting topics! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 11, 2020

Retro-puters

by Mike Peckar

Some fun reads on retro projects in links to hackaday. I wasn't aware of the book mentioned... https://boingboing.net/2020/02/04/766826.html

Feb. 11, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: GRUB failure

by John Stoffel

Richard> It's a 1TB SanDisk SSD Plus that I bought in July, 2018. Richard> It's the OS drive in a computer that runs 24/7, primarily as Richard> a Plex server, but the media is on a different, spinning Richard> drive. That does sound like it died too early... do you have one of those USB-to-SATA devices you could use to plug into another computer just to see if it's alive? Another option is to install Knoppix or some other bootable distro on a thumb drive and boot there to see what you find. As for the Windows and GRUB issue, I'm not expert enough to make it work without some more details from you. It might be enough to just move the Windows boot drive to the same port that the SSD used to be on. Assuming it's a SATA port and not an M.2 port (which can be SATA). John

Feb. 10, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: GRUB failure

by Richard Klein

It's a 1TB SanDisk SSD Plus that I bought in July, 2018. It's the OS drive in a computer that runs 24/7, primarily as a Plex server, but the media is on a different, spinning drive. https://photos.app.goo.gl/e8AmriKjcPRdHshcA On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 9:11 PM Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Tell us more about this dead SSD. Who made it? How old was it? What > sort of load did you put on it? --MCV. > > On 2/9/20 3:24 PM, Richard Klein via WLUG wrote: > > Well, the installer can't partition or write to the SSD, so I guess > > it really is dead. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Feb. 10, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: sorry about the spam

by Chuck Anderson

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 01:50:00PM -0500, Keith Wright wrote: > Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > Sorry about the spam. I'm cleaning up spam from the moderator's queue > > and accidently accepted a 8 or 12 messages. > > I think I counted 14 in a few minutes. > > Thank you for your work. I'm glad to know > that someone knows why it happened, and that > it is not just another "new normal". Phew. 1900 messages deleted. Also check out the new list footer:

Feb. 10, 2020

sorry about the spam

by Chuck Anderson

Sorry about the spam. I'm cleaning up spam from the moderator's queue and accidently accepted a 8 or 12 messages.

Feb. 10, 2020

Re: sorry about the spam

by Keith Wright

Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Sorry about the spam. I'm cleaning up spam from the moderator's queue > and accidently accepted a 8 or 12 messages. I think I counted 14 in a few minutes. Thank you for your work. I'm glad to know that someone knows why it happened, and that it is not just another "new normal". -- Keith

Feb. 10, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: GRUB failure

by Michael Voorhis

Tell us more about this dead SSD. Who made it? How old was it? What sort of load did you put on it? --MCV. On 2/9/20 3:24 PM, Richard Klein via WLUG wrote: > Well, the installer can't partition or write to the SSD, so I guess > it really is dead.

Feb. 9, 2020

Re: GRUB failure

by rich＠richardklein.org

Well, the installer can't partition or write to the SSD, so I guess it really is dead. Should I write a new MBR to the spinning disk that has Windows installed so I can boot to it without having the SSD installed?

Feb. 9, 2020

GRUB failure

by Richard Klein

The other day, my computer crashed to a blank, black screen. On reboot, my BIOS didn't see the SSD that held my OS. I tried swapping the SSD onto different cables and different motherboard connectors. When I started the computer back up, it saw the SSD, but gave me a GRUB rescue prompt. On the next reboot, the BIOS again didn't see the SSD. That's repeatable: warm boots make the SSD disappear; it re-appears on cold boots, but dumps me to the GRUB rescue prompt. I figured the SSD has died and I already requested an RMA, but I can't boot to my Windows drive if I remove the SSD, so maybe it's not actually dead. I don't have the patience to troubleshoot from the GRUB rescue prompt and I wasn't thrilled with Manjaro, so I'm going to try to install good, old Debian to the SSD while I wait to hear back about an RMA. -- Rich

Feb. 9, 2020

Reminder: WLUG Meeting Next Week! Topic: Modernizing the Linux Desktop

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, This is my usual reminder that we've got a meeting next week. Here's the details... Date & Time: February 13th, 2020 @ 7PM Location: WPI Campus Center Room 304 (Peterson Conference Room) Presenter: Joshua Stone Topic: Modernizing the Linux Desktop with Silver/Blue, Toolbox and Flatpak Our speaker this month is Joshua Stone. He's going to giving a talk about a couple of cool technologies in Fedora! Josh provided me some details about these innovations so I've mashed them up and included them below. Silverblue: https://fedoramagazine.org/what-is-silverblue/ Toolbox: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/toolbox/ Flatpaks: https://flatpak.org/ *Silverblue* s a Fedora variant designed around immutability where a new system image is committed as the new /sysroot without affecting the state of the running system. This is reminiscent of Android A/B updates, although the update backend -- ostree -- has elements of a version control system like git. *Toolbox* is also interesting as it lets you switch into an unprivileged development environment that can be built up and torn down without affecting the host as tools are installed inside a container. *Flatpak* uses the same file storage backend as Silverblue to manage apps and shared runtimes. This app distribution technology allows you to decouple apps and operating systems as everything is built and run inside a sandbox, making upgrades easier. Compare needing only one version of an app to package as a flatpak, versus packaging for different versions. As usual, snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for dinner to continue the conversation. Thanks, Tim Keller WLUG President -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 9, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Jeff Moyer

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Per the conversation regarding pgp, it got me thinking about my "email flow" > > Currently I'm using gmail in a browser, but I realize that unless I want to > install a 3rd party add-on for chrome I can't really do PGP. > > What are people using for mail clients on linux? gnus. It handles high traffic mailing lists well, and is very configurable. -Jeff

Feb. 5, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> writes: VM is a mail mode for emacs, and I've been using it for years and years. Unfortunately development is basically dead because I will never be able to learn elisp to actually contribute to the project. https://launchpad.net/vm Is where you can get it from. Use the 8.2.0b version. I can give you hints on setting it up with an IMAP server as well. It's not too bad really. Keith> John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Keith> I use emacs in rmail mode. >> >> Wow! I used rmail years ago, before I switched to 'vm' (view-mail). Keith> What is that? >> Glad to know I'm not the only die hard emacs mail reading guy! Keith> That seems to be saying that 'vm' is an emacs mode. Keith> The usual help function does not tell me anything Keith> about it. Do I need a newer version of emacs, Keith> or is it a totally separate program? Keith> I'm not likely to quit using emacs, but I might Keith> switch minor modes. Keith> -- Keith

Feb. 3, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Keith Wright

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Keith> I use emacs in rmail mode. > > Wow! I used rmail years ago, before I switched to 'vm' (view-mail). What is that? > Glad to know I'm not the only die hard emacs mail reading guy! That seems to be saying that 'vm' is an emacs mode. The usual help function does not tell me anything about it. Do I need a newer version of emacs, or is it a totally separate program? I'm not likely to quit using emacs, but I might switch minor modes. -- Keith

Feb. 3, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Keith> Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> What are people using for mail clients on linux? Keith> I use emacs in rmail mode. Wow! I used rmail years ago, before I switched to 'vm' (view-mail). Glad to know I'm not the only die hard emacs mail reading guy! Keith> I have a gmail account with address I have Keith> never told anyone (tho a couple of people Keith> have found it using gmail's spy features). Keith> I use the gmail address to send mail to Keith> myself, for testing. I run Postfix smtp server Keith> on the firewall/server/router Linux machine Keith> in my basement. Keith> Software, hardware, cables, attitude ... everything Keith> is decades obsolete and held together by cobwebs. Keith> But it does what the RFC says it MUST. Keith> -- Keith Keith> _______________________________________________ Keith> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org Keith> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Feb. 3, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Tim> Per the conversation regarding pgp, it got me thinking about my "email flow" Tim> Currently I'm using gmail in a browser, but I realize that unless I want to install a 3rd party Tim> add-on for chrome I can't really do PGP. Tim> What are people using for mail clients on linux? view-mail in emacs. Been 20+ years now... it handles IMAP just fine, though slowly. Going to move to mutt one day, but not yet.

Feb. 3, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by THE HAMMER

I have been using Thunderbird. I did not use PGP. I've found that it will lock up from time to time here also. By lock up, I mean the operation (which I think is usually sending mail) just continuously runs where I've wound up closing down the program. I can also say that last time this happened, I just let it sit and it eventually ran to completion. I'll try to be more observant of any future quirks. ________________________________ From: Steven Greenberg via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:26 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Steven Greenberg <steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days? I am using Thinderbird (and have for years). In the last year or so, it tends to lockup my computer while it goes off to do something that I cannot detect with a process monitor. I have tried about everything including looking for a substitute. Anybody have any suggestions? /Steve -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: www.ssgreenberg.name<http://www.ssgreenberg.name> Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Jan. 31, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Steven Greenberg

On 1/30/2020 3:33 PM, kevin.paetzold wrote: > In the last year or so Thunderbird has decided to use many more processes to do its thing and it seems to use more memory than it used to. That makes it seem to lock up and /or makes the machine swap on a machine with 2g.. > > Number of processes it can use is a setting you can change. > > I was not reading the email clients discussion closely. I use Thunderbird. I don't know if anybody mentioned Claws. Either it or Evolution would probably be my second choice. > How do you change the number of processes in Thunderbird. I cannot find anything in the Tools>Options, and I find nothing on the internet. Previosly I did find this on the internet Making Thunderbird Fly Faster Our hires are already addressing technical debt and doing a fair bit of plumbing when it comes to Thunderbird’s codebase. Our new hires will also be addressing UI-slowness and general performance issues across the application. This is an area where I think we will see some of the best improvements in Thunderbird for 2019, as we look into methods for testing and measuring slowness – and then put our engineers on architecting solutions to these pain points. Beyond that, we will be looking into leveraging new, faster technologies in rewriting parts of Thunderbird as well as working toward a multi-process Thunderbird. /Steve -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

Jan. 31, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by kevin.paetzold

In the last year or so Thunderbird has decided to use many more processes to do its thing and it seems to use more memory than it used to. That makes it seem to lock up and /or makes the machine swap on a machine with 2g..Number of processes it can use is a setting you can change. I was not reading the email clients discussion closely. I use Thunderbird. I don't know if anybody mentioned Claws. Either it or Evolution would probably be my second choice. -------- Original message --------From: Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Date: 1/30/20 14:49 (GMT-05:00) To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org, steve(a)ssgreenberg.name, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days? Steven Greenberg via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes:> I am using Thinderbird (and have for years). In the last year or> so, it tends to lockup my computer while it goes off to do> something that I cannot detect with a process monitor.>> I have tried about everything including looking for a substitute.> Anybody have any suggestions?I am not sure what you mean by "process monitor".If you have some cute GUI thing installed, thatmight be part of the problem.If you mean you can not pull up a shell;ps ax; and kill it, then either you havebad hardware, or an OS bug, or you shouldlearn to do that. -- KeithPS: I told you what I do, but I did notrecommend it. I have an attitude problem._______________________________________________WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.orgTo unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Jan. 30, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Keith Wright

Steven Greenberg via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I am using Thinderbird (and have for years). In the last year or > so, it tends to lockup my computer while it goes off to do > something that I cannot detect with a process monitor. > > I have tried about everything including looking for a substitute. > Anybody have any suggestions? I am not sure what you mean by "process monitor". If you have some cute GUI thing installed, that might be part of the problem. If you mean you can not pull up a shell; ps ax; and kill it, then either you have bad hardware, or an OS bug, or you should learn to do that. -- Keith PS: I told you what I do, but I did not recommend it. I have an attitude problem.

Jan. 30, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Steven Greenberg

I am using Thinderbird (and have for years). In the last year or so, it tends to lockup my computer while it goes off to do something that I cannot detect with a process monitor. I have tried about everything including looking for a substitute. Anybody have any suggestions? /Steve -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

Jan. 30, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by John Eismeier

notmuch "Anderson, Charles R via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Mutt. > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 10:14:43AM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >> Per the conversation regarding pgp, it got me thinking about my "email flow" >> >> Currently I'm using gmail in a browser, but I realize that unless I want to >> install a 3rd party add-on for chrome I can't really do PGP. >> >> What are people using for mail clients on linux? >> >> Later, >> Tim. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org -- John 508.735.3640

Jan. 30, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Andy Stewart

On 1/28/20 10:14 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Per the conversation regarding pgp, it got me thinking about my "email flow" > > Currently I'm using gmail in a browser, but I realize that unless I want to > install a 3rd party add-on for chrome I can't really do PGP. > > What are people using for mail clients on linux? > > Later, > Tim. I have been quite happy with Thunderbird for a long time. I use it at home and at work (talking to a M$ email server). Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Vice President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group

Jan. 30, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Steve Revilak

>Per the conversation regarding pgp, it got me thinking about my "email flow" > >Currently I'm using gmail in a browser, but I realize that unless I want to >install a 3rd party add-on for chrome I can't really do PGP. > >What are people using for mail clients on linux? It's been a while since I've used it, but I remember Mailvelope doing a reasonably good job at integrating pgp with webmail. https://www.mailvelope.com/en It's a browser extension, with a javascript implementation of pgp. Personally, I prefer mutt http://mutt.org/ Steve

Jan. 29, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Voorhis, Michael C

Thunderbird or Emacs-VM... On 1/28/20 8:55 PM, Anderson, Charles R via WLUG wrote: > Mutt.

Jan. 29, 2020

Re: [EXT] Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Anderson, Charles R

Mutt. On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 10:14:43AM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Per the conversation regarding pgp, it got me thinking about my "email flow" > > Currently I'm using gmail in a browser, but I realize that unless I want to > install a 3rd party add-on for chrome I can't really do PGP. > > What are people using for mail clients on linux? > > Later, > Tim.

Jan. 29, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > What are people using for mail clients on linux? I use emacs in rmail mode. I have a gmail account with address I have never told anyone (tho a couple of people have found it using gmail's spy features). I use the gmail address to send mail to myself, for testing. I run Postfix smtp server on the firewall/server/router Linux machine in my basement. Software, hardware, cables, attitude ... everything is decades obsolete and held together by cobwebs. But it does what the RFC says it MUST. -- Keith

Jan. 28, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Joshua Stone

I've had good luck with Evolution as it's the default mail client on Fedora and supports many features like calendering and GPG signing (previously used Thunderbird with the Enigmail extension for GPG). I haven't used Gmail's webmail in years because almost any native client will blow it out of the water in terms of speed, resilience against internet outages, and support for niche features. -Josh On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 10:15 Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Per the conversation regarding pgp, it got me thinking about my "email > flow" > > Currently I'm using gmail in a browser, but I realize that unless I want > to install a 3rd party add-on for chrome I can't really do PGP. > > What are people using for mail clients on linux? > > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Jan. 28, 2020

Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Tim Keller

Per the conversation regarding pgp, it got me thinking about my "email flow" Currently I'm using gmail in a browser, but I realize that unless I want to install a 3rd party add-on for chrome I can't really do PGP. What are people using for mail clients on linux? Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 28, 2020

Future Meeting idea...Zombie Load Attack

by Tim Keller

I saw that one of the researchers for the https://zombieloadattack.com/ Zombie Load attack is working on a Ph.d at WPI! Would this be something that people might be interested in? If so I'll reach out and see if he'd like to give a talk at WLUG. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 27, 2020

It never ends...

by Tim Keller

https://zombieloadattack.com/ -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 27, 2020

Re: Keysigning party?

by John Stoffel

Tim> The argument for pgp signing your emails is that it makes it Tim> harder for others to spoof your email address. Yes. I understand that aspect. Iwas (poorly) talking more to the usability aspects of PGP signing emails. The tools make it hard and annoying from what I see. Tim> If I send you an email signed with my private key and the public version of my key is a place Tim> where your email client can access it, your email client can validate that the email originated Tim> from me. John> I've never found a personal need for this myself. Tim> Lucky you that you've never had your email address harvested from Tim> a public list and then used to spam lots of people... Well, my personal email is from a server I control with SPF setup properly, so it's harder to fake stuff from em without it automatically getting binned as spam. Which is a good thing. It's not perfect of course...

Jan. 27, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Keysigning party?

by Anderson, Charles R

It's also used heavily in FOSS development to verify authenticity of developer communications. On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 02:38:47PM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > The argument for pgp signing your emails is that it makes it harder for > others to spoof your email address. > > If I send you an email signed with my private key and the public version of > my key is a place where your email client can access it, your email client > can validate that the email originated from me. > > John> I've never found a personal need for this myself. > > Lucky you that you've never had your email address harvested from a public > list and then used to spam lots of people... > > Tim. > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 2:30 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > > >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > > > > Tim> That would be a fantastic idea. I think part and parcel with > > Tim> doing the Keysigning should be a presentation on how to > > Tim> actually use the PGP key you've now created... How do you > > Tim> integrate your key into gmail / etc. > > > > All I've ever heard about PGP signing emails is "Don't", even from the > > PGP creator, supposedly. But maybe I'm wrong and someone giving a > > good presentation (any CS classes on security who would be interested > > in joining for this talk?) would be nice. > > > > I've never found a personal need for this myself.

Jan. 27, 2020

Re: Keysigning party?

by Tim Keller

The argument for pgp signing your emails is that it makes it harder for others to spoof your email address. If I send you an email signed with my private key and the public version of my key is a place where your email client can access it, your email client can validate that the email originated from me. John> I've never found a personal need for this myself. Lucky you that you've never had your email address harvested from a public list and then used to spam lots of people... Tim. On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 2:30 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > Tim> That would be a fantastic idea. I think part and parcel with > Tim> doing the Keysigning should be a presentation on how to > Tim> actually use the PGP key you've now created... How do you > Tim> integrate your key into gmail / etc. > > All I've ever heard about PGP signing emails is "Don't", even from the > PGP creator, supposedly. But maybe I'm wrong and someone giving a > good presentation (any CS classes on security who would be interested > in joining for this talk?) would be nice. > > I've never found a personal need for this myself. > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 27, 2020

Re: Different topic... Embroidered T-shirts!

by John Stoffel

Tim> I've come into possession of a brother embroidery machine! Very neat! Should be emminently hackable at some point. Can you post more details? What sort of interface does it have? Tim> I'd like to get it working with linux, but I'll just be happy to Tim> start putting WLUG and the tux penguin on a polo shirt! Tim> Hopefully for the Feb. meeting I'll have something! Very cool. Please don't have a meeting 17-21 of Feb week... that's school vacation week!

Jan. 27, 2020

Re: Keysigning party?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Tim> That would be a fantastic idea. I think part and parcel with Tim> doing the Keysigning should be a presentation on how to Tim> actually use the PGP key you've now created... How do you Tim> integrate your key into gmail / etc. All I've ever heard about PGP signing emails is "Don't", even from the PGP creator, supposedly. But maybe I'm wrong and someone giving a good presentation (any CS classes on security who would be interested in joining for this talk?) would be nice. I've never found a personal need for this myself.

Jan. 27, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Keysigning party?

by Anderson, Charles R

Right, you have to create your key and submit it to the organizers BEFORE the actual keysigning meeting, so that at the keysigning other people will have a copy of your public key fingerprint to compare with the copy of your key that they later download or get emailed to them. So we should have a PGP meeting first, then a keysigning party the next month or whatever. Here's my ancient slides on the topic, but if someone else wants to update this, feel free: http://www.wlug.org/files/pgp-slides/ Using "caff" is a good idea: https://wiki.debian.org/caff https://wiki.debian.org/Keysigning https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KeySigningParty On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:08:03AM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Ian, > > That would be a fantastic idea. I think part and parcel with doing the > Keysigning should be a presentation on how to *actually* use the PGP key > you've now created... > How do you integrate your key into gmail / etc. > > Tim. > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 8:29 AM Gelman, Ian S. via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I keep noticing several encrypted emails flying back and forth on the WLUG > > listserv. It occurred to me that we haven't done a PGP keysigning party in > > a couple of years - maybe we're due for another? It could also be a way to > > introduce some new student members to the group.

Jan. 24, 2020

Re: Different topic... Embroidered T-shirts!

by Tim Keller

I recently did up a pretty shitty WLUG icon tile for the meetup group. I thought that would look pretty cool on a T-shirt. https://imgur.com/a/1CmyhDG If people have better ideas I'll take them! On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 12:08 PM Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > If successful, a tux penguin > polo could be "Geek Chic". > > Tag line could be, swim like a bird! > > Joel > > > > On January 24, 2020 12:03:11 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> I've come into possession of a brother embroidery machine! >> >> I'd like to get it working with linux, but I'll just be happy to start >> putting WLUG and the tux penguin on a polo shirt! >> >> Hopefully for the Feb. meeting I'll have something! >> >> Later, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 24, 2020

Re: Different topic... Embroidered T-shirts!

by Joel

If successful, a tux penguin polo could be "Geek Chic". Tag line could be, swim like a bird! Joel On January 24, 2020 12:03:11 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I've come into possession of a brother embroidery machine! > > I'd like to get it working with linux, but I'll just be happy to start putting WLUG and the tux penguin on a polo shirt! > > Hopefully for the Feb. meeting I'll have something! > > Later, > Tim. > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Jan. 24, 2020

Different topic... Embroidered T-shirts!

by Tim Keller

I've come into possession of a brother embroidery machine! I'd like to get it working with linux, but I'll just be happy to start putting WLUG and the tux penguin on a polo shirt! Hopefully for the Feb. meeting I'll have something! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 24, 2020

Re: Keysigning party?

by Tim Keller

Ian, That would be a fantastic idea. I think part and parcel with doing the Keysigning should be a presentation on how to *actually* use the PGP key you've now created... How do you integrate your key into gmail / etc. Tim. On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 8:29 AM Gelman, Ian S. via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I keep noticing several encrypted emails flying back and forth on the WLUG > listserv. It occurred to me that we haven't done a PGP keysigning party in > a couple of years - maybe we're due for another? It could also be a way to > introduce some new student members to the group. > > Ian (from mobile device) > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 24, 2020

Re: WLUG history

by Tim Keller

I sure do miss Doug. I definitely remember the installfests and I even have a couple cd's that a I burned and made use of the cd printing machine we had at Stratus. The two I definitely remember were done in the education center at Stratus. As for Bob I see that he's joined the meetup WLUG group! Tim. On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 8:11 AM Andy Stewart <kb1oiq(a)mval.net> wrote: > On 1/23/20 12:08 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > One of my favorite anecdotes is from one of our installfests at Stratus > where > > Doug Wade tripped over the power cord *just* as the install had > finished, but > > before the MBR/LILO could be written to the disk. > > It was cool to see a bunch of linux hackers stand around and get > Mandrake to > > properly boot on this persons machine. > > > > Good times. > > > > Tim. > > Definitely good times! I remember when Doug Waud tripped on that power > cord. > At the time, we somewhat affectionately said that the machine had been > "Doug'd". > > I remember a talk that Doug Waud gave about computer networking. His > first > example of a network was a string with a cup at either end. > > Does anybody else remember that install fest we held at Stratus Computer? > I > think we installed Linux on 20 computers that day. I remember using a > shoe > horn to get it installed on two separate hard drives for Bob Evans, who I > still > see at ham radio club meetings. > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) > Vice President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) > Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group > Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 24, 2020

Keysigning party?

by Gelman, Ian S.

Hi everyone, I keep noticing several encrypted emails flying back and forth on the WLUG listserv. It occurred to me that we haven't done a PGP keysigning party in a couple of years - maybe we're due for another? It could also be a way to introduce some new student members to the group. Ian (from mobile device)

Jan. 24, 2020

Re: WLUG history

by Andy Stewart

On 1/23/20 12:08 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > One of my favorite anecdotes is from one of our installfests at Stratus where > Doug Wade tripped over the power cord *just* as the install had finished, but > before the MBR/LILO could be written to the disk. > It was cool to see a bunch of linux hackers stand around and get Mandrake to > properly boot on this persons machine. > > Good times. > > Tim. Definitely good times! I remember when Doug Waud tripped on that power cord. At the time, we somewhat affectionately said that the machine had been "Doug'd". I remember a talk that Doug Waud gave about computer networking. His first example of a network was a string with a cup at either end. Does anybody else remember that install fest we held at Stratus Computer? I think we installed Linux on 20 computers that day. I remember using a shoe horn to get it installed on two separate hard drives for Bob Evans, who I still see at ham radio club meetings. Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Vice President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group

Jan. 24, 2020

Re: WLUG history

by Tim Keller

One of my favorite anecdotes is from one of our installfests at Stratus where Doug Wade tripped over the power cord *just* as the install had finished, but before the MBR/LILO could be written to the disk. It was cool to see a bunch of linux hackers stand around and get Mandrake to properly boot on this persons machine. Good times. Tim. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 8:27 AM Andy Stewart via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > On 1/14/20 8:03 PM, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: > > GNHLUG started in 1995, but was reduced to a mailing list about ten > years ago. > > It no longer holds meetings. Every once in a while someone tries to > > resuscitate it, but it eventually goes into a coma again. > > > > I think BLU has been around a long time. It is what is left from the > Boston > > Computer Society, and as such may have pre-dated even GNHLUG. > > I believe that BLU predates WLUG by quite a bit. > > I had just started learning about Linux, and I knew nothing of the GPL or > the > ideals surrounding Free Software. I decided that I wanted a place to hang > out > with people more knowledgeable about Linux. I lived in Worcester at the > time, > and I didn't want to drive to Boston or New Hampshire for a meeting due to > the > distance. I had never been to a user group meeting of any sort, yet I > decided > to jump into the deep end of the pool, with no clue of what to do, or how > to do > it, or what the result would be. All I thought was that people needed to > be > brought together. As a WPI alumnus, it seemed like a natural place for > such a > gathering. > > WLUG's first meeting was in July 1997 in the WPI Library. Maddog was > there, > and our first speaker was Jim Paradis. We had 17 people in attendance. > > I distinctly remember maddog telling me at that time that if we had 17 > people > in attendance in a year, we'd be doing quite well. > > We purchased really expensive food from DAKA, the WPI cafeteria service at > that > time. Later, we moved to different rooms on campus, and I brought soda > and > cookies. I never believed in charging membership dues for WLUG. I > decided to > go with small voluntary donations, just to defray costs, and no more. > Somehow, > it worked. > > We had something on the order of 50 people show up at what I think was > probably > the best attended WLUG meeting in history. I don't remember the year, but > KDE > had just come out, and I gave a talk about it. I have a feeling that this > meeting took place in the big room in Olin Hall. > > The summer parties were always a big hit. Great food, conversations, and > great > people. > > While we occasionally had a speaker from outside of the club, most of the > speakers were members of WLUG. We have a very talented membership who was > never afraid to get up in front of the crowd to share what they know. I > learned a lot from WLUG, both technically and otherwise. > > WLUG has its own Tux penguin, hand made by Doug Waud. WLUG Tux shows up > at > summer gatherings and other unexpected times. > > I'm sure if a bunch of us sat together after a WLUG meeting, we'd recall > more > stories and could, if desired, document the club's history. I think it > would > be a lot of fun! > > Andy > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 23, 2020

Re: WLUG history

by Andy Stewart

On 1/22/20 10:07 AM, Bradley Noyes wrote: > > Among feedback after the first few meetings, i recall Andy telling a story that > he received an email from some poor old chap from across the pond who was > driving all around Worcester England trying to find WPI so he could attend the > meeting. I think after that, the meeting location was amended to include USA. > > - b Wow....I had forgotten that story, but yes, it is true, I received such an email! :-) This is one of many, many things I learned from my WLUG experiences. Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Vice President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group

Jan. 22, 2020

Re: WLUG history

by Jon "maddog" Hall

I worked for Digital Equipment Corporation for quite a while before I realized that DEC's "Cambridge Research Labs" were not in England. md On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 10:08 AM Bradley Noyes <bkn(a)ithryn.net> wrote: > > > On Jan 15, 2020, at 08:26, Andy Stewart via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > WLUG's first meeting was in July 1997 in the WPI Library. Maddog was > there, and our first speaker was Jim Paradis. We had 17 people in > attendance. > > > I remember being at that first meeting, and it was a welcome change of > pace after trekking out the Cambridge from Worcester for BLU meetings. > Although now i live out that way and Worcester is a trek. > > Among feedback after the first few meetings, i recall Andy telling a story > that he received an email from some poor old chap from across the pond who > was driving all around Worcester England trying to find WPI so he could > attend the meeting. I think after that, the meeting location was amended to > include USA. > > - b > > >

Jan. 22, 2020

Re: WLUG history

by Bradley Noyes

> On Jan 15, 2020, at 08:26, Andy Stewart via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > WLUG's first meeting was in July 1997 in the WPI Library. Maddog was there, and our first speaker was Jim Paradis. We had 17 people in attendance. I remember being at that first meeting, and it was a welcome change of pace after trekking out the Cambridge from Worcester for BLU meetings. Although now i live out that way and Worcester is a trek. Among feedback after the first few meetings, i recall Andy telling a story that he received an email from some poor old chap from across the pond who was driving all around Worcester England trying to find WPI so he could attend the meeting. I think after that, the meeting location was amended to include USA. - b

Jan. 22, 2020

Re: CAD /3D printing

by Tim Keller

As multi extruder printers and core XY printers with tool changers become more prevalent, this might be the case. Out the box 3mf can carry much more data about colors, materials, etc. Out of the box I believe that STL doesn't support that, but it's also just a text file, so I can't see why you couldn't extend the format. I just looked at Cura and Kisslicer and they both support the 3MF format. I could imagine some future where you've got a file that would fully support building a complex product that might include additive, subtractive, trace drawing, pick and place and firmware load. That would be cool. Tim. On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 7:28 PM Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Somewhat off-topic for this list, but we often discuss 3D printing... > > I'm sitting in a SolidWorks user group meeting. The presenter mentioned > that Windows 10 includes a 3D paint program (or maybe it's a 3D mode in the > regular paint program). You can paint in there and import the files into > SolidWorks for further editing. > > He also mentioned that he thinks 3MF files will replace STL because they > carry more data. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 17, 2020

Re: WLUG history

by John Stoffel

I've got old WLUG emails from 1999 in my "quick to find archives" of old email....

Jan. 17, 2020

CAD /3D printing

by Richard Klein

Somewhat off-topic for this list, but we often discuss 3D printing... I'm sitting in a SolidWorks user group meeting. The presenter mentioned that Windows 10 includes a 3D paint program (or maybe it's a 3D mode in the regular paint program). You can paint in there and import the files into SolidWorks for further editing. He also mentioned that he thinks 3MF files will replace STL because they carry more data.

Jan. 17, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG

by Gregory Avedissian

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Jan. 16, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG

by Tim Keller

Good point. My hope is that it might be a bit more of a live stream / rough cut that ends up getting put on youtube. I moonlight as a sysadmin for a film company and I see what goes into editing movies... Once you need to start syncing and splicing the professionals can do it "quick" but it still takes hours to get minutes of video out. I'd be happy with a camera, a lav mike and a screen cap feed into a static OBS profile dumped to disk and then uploaded to youtube with some simple trimming at each end. Tim. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 5:08 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I know from BLU that it is a TON of work to do this. Video needs to be > edited/cut together/combined with audio/etc. > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 04:44:04PM -0500, Dennis Payne via WLUG wrote: > > BLU has 2 cameras recording the presentations plus an additional audio > > recording. Granted when I gave a presentation, the stream on youtube > > cut out after 20 mins and it has never been replaced with any other > > recording so I'm not sure how helpful the additional recording are. (I > > posted a comment on the video with the presentation link but I don't > > see it now. Not sure why that is.) > > On Wed, 2020-01-15 at 16:11 -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > > > That's excellent news! Sounds like the service is already paying for > > > itself. > > > > > > I'm not opposed to video uploads, so long as the video/audio > > > production is decent and the camera isn't in people's faces. I have a > > > Sony video camera with native 4K and optical zoom, with a shotgun > > > microphone attachment for capturing audio in front of the camera > > > instead of the surrounding area. I also have a blue yeti if you want > > > a good microphone for public speakers to use. > > > > > > We could make this a bit fancier and less intrusive by having a > > > screencast of the speaker's computer to show slideshow material, > > > terminal output, etc, and have an omnidirectional microphone > > > listening and syncing with the screencast. > > > > > > -Josh > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 16, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG

by Anderson, Charles R

I know from BLU that it is a TON of work to do this. Video needs to be edited/cut together/combined with audio/etc. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 04:44:04PM -0500, Dennis Payne via WLUG wrote: > BLU has 2 cameras recording the presentations plus an additional audio > recording. Granted when I gave a presentation, the stream on youtube > cut out after 20 mins and it has never been replaced with any other > recording so I'm not sure how helpful the additional recording are. (I > posted a comment on the video with the presentation link but I don't > see it now. Not sure why that is.) > On Wed, 2020-01-15 at 16:11 -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > > That's excellent news! Sounds like the service is already paying for > > itself. > > > > I'm not opposed to video uploads, so long as the video/audio > > production is decent and the camera isn't in people's faces. I have a > > Sony video camera with native 4K and optical zoom, with a shotgun > > microphone attachment for capturing audio in front of the camera > > instead of the surrounding area. I also have a blue yeti if you want > > a good microphone for public speakers to use. > > > > We could make this a bit fancier and less intrusive by having a > > screencast of the speaker's computer to show slideshow material, > > terminal output, etc, and have an omnidirectional microphone > > listening and syncing with the screencast. > > > > -Josh

Jan. 15, 2020

Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG

by Dennis Payne

BLU has 2 cameras recording the presentations plus an additional audio recording. Granted when I gave a presentation, the stream on youtube cut out after 20 mins and it has never been replaced with any other recording so I'm not sure how helpful the additional recording are. (I posted a comment on the video with the presentation link but I don't see it now. Not sure why that is.) On Wed, 2020-01-15 at 16:11 -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > That's excellent news! Sounds like the service is already paying for > itself. > > I'm not opposed to video uploads, so long as the video/audio > production is decent and the camera isn't in people's faces. I have a > Sony video camera with native 4K and optical zoom, with a shotgun > microphone attachment for capturing audio in front of the camera > instead of the surrounding area. I also have a blue yeti if you want > a good microphone for public speakers to use. > > We could make this a bit fancier and less intrusive by having a > screencast of the speaker's computer to show slideshow material, > terminal output, etc, and have an omnidirectional microphone > listening and syncing with the screencast. > > -Josh > -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://social.freegamedev.net/channel/dulsi

Jan. 15, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG

by Tim Keller

Chuck, It would appear great (okay, marginal) minds think alike! Tim. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 4:19 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > The presenter's computer could be screencast onto the video stream by > using Open Broadcast Studio (OBS). We had a presentation on OBS awhile > back. > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 04:11:19PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > > That's excellent news! Sounds like the service is already paying for > itself. > > > > I'm not opposed to video uploads, so long as the video/audio production > is > > decent and the camera isn't in people's faces. I have a Sony video camera > > with native 4K and optical zoom, with a shotgun microphone attachment for > > capturing audio in front of the camera instead of the surrounding area. I > > also have a blue yeti if you want a good microphone for public speakers > to > > use. > > > > We could make this a bit fancier and less intrusive by having a > screencast > > of the speaker's computer to show slideshow material, terminal output, > etc, > > and have an omnidirectional microphone listening and syncing with the > > screencast. > > > > -Josh > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 13:51 Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I've gotten a couple of hits about people possibly showing up for the > next > > > WLUG meeting from meetup. That's cool! > > > > > > I went looking at the Boston Linux Users Group site and it's clear to > me > > > that we're really missing the boat with putting our meetings on > youtube, > > > well at least the ones with a definite presenter. > > > > > > Would people be freaked out about being on youtube? Is this something > that > > > people would be interested in? I've got a decent DSLR we could use to > take > > > video, but I don't want people to be uncomfortable. > > > > > > Tim. > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 1:41 PM <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Tim, > > >> > > >> Thank you very much for creating a meetup.com group for us! The UX > for > > >> finding future meetups and adding meetup dates to a calender is quite > good. > > >> Finding WLUG should also be fairly easy now when searching for "linux" > > >> within a 50 mile radius of Boston: > > >> > > >> > > >> > https://www.meetup.com/find/?allMeetups=false&keywords=linux&radius=50&user… > > >> > > >> I've noticed that some search strings will show LUGs with overlapping > > >> interests but not WLUG. I think adding more words like "FOSS", > "Android", > > >> "Libre", "Open Source", "Ubuntu", "Fedora", "OpenSUSE", "Arch Linux", > > >> "Unix", etc, to the related topics and/or What We're About section > should > > >> improve this. > > >> > > >> I've tried setting up a community over Slack but I think the steps > need > > >> to join was what made it too intrusive for new people -- take joining > the > > >> Rust language Slack server for example: > > >> > > >> https://rust-slack.herokuapp.com/ > > >> > > >> - Send an invite link to your email > > >> - Register with a name and password > > >> - Be greeted with prompts about whether to send notifications > > >> - Open the #general channel > > >> > > >> And this has to be repeated for joining every community that has their > > >> own Slack server, or at least this has been my experience so far. I > think > > >> Slack has cemented itself as more of a means for teams to collaborate > on a > > >> project, not so much for casual users who want to jump right into a > new > > >> chat. > > >> > > >> Matrix only needs to register a username and password (email is > optional) > > >> on the server you're on, and once that's done you can join any number > of > > >> channels on that server. This is much closer to the UX of IRC, and > it's > > >> still superior in some ways because there's no fiddling with choosing > a > > >> specific authentication method like SASL and/or authenticating with > nickserv > > >> > > >> I think in general Matrix has more mindshare amongst Linux users as a > > >> modern alternative to IRC, which I think is worth considering when > > >> comparing frequency of posts on Reddit: > > >> > > >> > > >> > https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/search?q=matrix&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevanc… > > >> > > >> -Josh > > >> > > >> On Sat, 2020-01-11 at 22:59 -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > >> > > >> This morning I went out and created a meetup group for WLUG: > > >> https://www.meetup.com/Worcester-Linux-Users-Group and paid for six > > >> months. Feel free to go and join up if you'd like. > > >> > > >> The matrix stuff is cool, I cut my teeth on IRC so I'm always partial > to > > >> the old school but I also understand that eventually we'll want a > slack > > >> channel as well maybe. > > >> > > >> Tim. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:07 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG < > > >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > >> > > >> We also have an IRC channel: > > >> > > >> http://www.wlug.org/participate.html > > >> > > >> Internet Relay Chat > > >> > > >> Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel. > > >> > > >> Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net > > >> Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link: irc:// > > >> irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma. > > >> See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your > web > > >> browser > > >> > > >> but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore. > > >> > > >> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > > >> > Hey all, > > >> > > > >> > Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again to > > >> > Tim for giving me a ride home! > > >> > > > >> > Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve > general > > >> > activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. > Hosting a > > >> > meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and > > >> > getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great > too. > > >> > > > >> > I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a text > chat > > >> > format for users who want to communicate more easily over the > internet, > > >> > especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord > > >> > servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room sizes > > >> > generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even before > > >> > Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, etc. > > >> > > > >> > Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve > > >> > participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because > it > > >> > has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience: > > >> > > > >> > - Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( > > >> > https://matrix.org/clients/ > > >> > - Persistent chat history > > >> > - Link previews > > >> > - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( > > >> > https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/ > > >> > - User moderation > > >> > - Server federation > > >> > - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely FOSS > > >> > - File sharing > > >> > - Voice/video calls > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat room > > >> > would look like: > > >> > > > >> > https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png > > >> > > > >> > Or you can join the room I made: > > >> > > > >> > https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org > > >> > > > >> > Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already: > > >> > > > >> > #wlug:matrix.org > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Any thoughts? > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 15, 2020

Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG

by Tim Keller

Actually my thinking was to use something like OBS (open broadcast studio, which we've done a talk about in the past) and actually do that.. Capture the output from their machine, plus the audio and a headshot. At this point, it's an idea. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 4:11 PM Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > That's excellent news! Sounds like the service is already paying for > itself. > > I'm not opposed to video uploads, so long as the video/audio production is > decent and the camera isn't in people's faces. I have a Sony video camera > with native 4K and optical zoom, with a shotgun microphone attachment for > capturing audio in front of the camera instead of the surrounding area. I > also have a blue yeti if you want a good microphone for public speakers to > use. > > We could make this a bit fancier and less intrusive by having a screencast > of the speaker's computer to show slideshow material, terminal output, etc, > and have an omnidirectional microphone listening and syncing with the > screencast. > > -Josh > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 13:51 Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I've gotten a couple of hits about people possibly showing up for the >> next WLUG meeting from meetup. That's cool! >> >> I went looking at the Boston Linux Users Group site and it's clear to me >> that we're really missing the boat with putting our meetings on youtube, >> well at least the ones with a definite presenter. >> >> Would people be freaked out about being on youtube? Is this something >> that people would be interested in? I've got a decent DSLR we could use to >> take video, but I don't want people to be uncomfortable. >> >> Tim. >> >> On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 1:41 PM <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Tim, >>> >>> Thank you very much for creating a meetup.com group for us! The UX for >>> finding future meetups and adding meetup dates to a calender is quite good. >>> Finding WLUG should also be fairly easy now when searching for "linux" >>> within a 50 mile radius of Boston: >>> >>> >>> https://www.meetup.com/find/?allMeetups=false&keywords=linux&radius=50&user… >>> >>> I've noticed that some search strings will show LUGs with overlapping >>> interests but not WLUG. I think adding more words like "FOSS", "Android", >>> "Libre", "Open Source", "Ubuntu", "Fedora", "OpenSUSE", "Arch Linux", >>> "Unix", etc, to the related topics and/or What We're About section should >>> improve this. >>> >>> I've tried setting up a community over Slack but I think the steps need >>> to join was what made it too intrusive for new people -- take joining the >>> Rust language Slack server for example: >>> >>> https://rust-slack.herokuapp.com/ >>> >>> - Send an invite link to your email >>> - Register with a name and password >>> - Be greeted with prompts about whether to send notifications >>> - Open the #general channel >>> >>> And this has to be repeated for joining every community that has their >>> own Slack server, or at least this has been my experience so far. I think >>> Slack has cemented itself as more of a means for teams to collaborate on a >>> project, not so much for casual users who want to jump right into a new >>> chat. >>> >>> Matrix only needs to register a username and password (email is >>> optional) on the server you're on, and once that's done you can join any >>> number of channels on that server. This is much closer to the UX of IRC, >>> and it's still superior in some ways because there's no fiddling with >>> choosing a specific authentication method like SASL and/or authenticating >>> with nickserv >>> >>> I think in general Matrix has more mindshare amongst Linux users as a >>> modern alternative to IRC, which I think is worth considering when >>> comparing frequency of posts on Reddit: >>> >>> >>> https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/search?q=matrix&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevanc… >>> >>> -Josh >>> >>> On Sat, 2020-01-11 at 22:59 -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >>> >>> This morning I went out and created a meetup group for WLUG: >>> https://www.meetup.com/Worcester-Linux-Users-Group and paid for six >>> months. Feel free to go and join up if you'd like. >>> >>> The matrix stuff is cool, I cut my teeth on IRC so I'm always partial to >>> the old school but I also understand that eventually we'll want a slack >>> channel as well maybe. >>> >>> Tim. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:07 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>> We also have an IRC channel: >>> >>> http://www.wlug.org/participate.html >>> >>> Internet Relay Chat >>> >>> Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel. >>> >>> Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net >>> Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link: irc:// >>> irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma. >>> See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your web >>> browser >>> >>> but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore. >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: >>> > Hey all, >>> > >>> > Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again to >>> > Tim for giving me a ride home! >>> > >>> > Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve general >>> > activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. Hosting a >>> > meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and >>> > getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great too. >>> > >>> > I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a text chat >>> > format for users who want to communicate more easily over the internet, >>> > especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord >>> > servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room sizes >>> > generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even before >>> > Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, etc. >>> > >>> > Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve >>> > participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because it >>> > has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience: >>> > >>> > - Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( >>> > https://matrix.org/clients/ >>> > - Persistent chat history >>> > - Link previews >>> > - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( >>> > https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/ >>> > - User moderation >>> > - Server federation >>> > - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely FOSS >>> > - File sharing >>> > - Voice/video calls >>> > >>> > >>> > I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat room >>> > would look like: >>> > >>> > https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png >>> > >>> > Or you can join the room I made: >>> > >>> > https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org >>> > >>> > Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already: >>> > >>> > #wlug:matrix.org >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Any thoughts? >>> > >>> > >>> > -Josh >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> WLUG mailing list -- >>> >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>> >>> wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 15, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG

by Anderson, Charles R

The presenter's computer could be screencast onto the video stream by using Open Broadcast Studio (OBS). We had a presentation on OBS awhile back. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 04:11:19PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > That's excellent news! Sounds like the service is already paying for itself. > > I'm not opposed to video uploads, so long as the video/audio production is > decent and the camera isn't in people's faces. I have a Sony video camera > with native 4K and optical zoom, with a shotgun microphone attachment for > capturing audio in front of the camera instead of the surrounding area. I > also have a blue yeti if you want a good microphone for public speakers to > use. > > We could make this a bit fancier and less intrusive by having a screencast > of the speaker's computer to show slideshow material, terminal output, etc, > and have an omnidirectional microphone listening and syncing with the > screencast. > > -Josh > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 13:51 Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I've gotten a couple of hits about people possibly showing up for the next > > WLUG meeting from meetup. That's cool! > > > > I went looking at the Boston Linux Users Group site and it's clear to me > > that we're really missing the boat with putting our meetings on youtube, > > well at least the ones with a definite presenter. > > > > Would people be freaked out about being on youtube? Is this something that > > people would be interested in? I've got a decent DSLR we could use to take > > video, but I don't want people to be uncomfortable. > > > > Tim. > > > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 1:41 PM <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Tim, > >> > >> Thank you very much for creating a meetup.com group for us! The UX for > >> finding future meetups and adding meetup dates to a calender is quite good. > >> Finding WLUG should also be fairly easy now when searching for "linux" > >> within a 50 mile radius of Boston: > >> > >> > >> https://www.meetup.com/find/?allMeetups=false&keywords=linux&radius=50&user… > >> > >> I've noticed that some search strings will show LUGs with overlapping > >> interests but not WLUG. I think adding more words like "FOSS", "Android", > >> "Libre", "Open Source", "Ubuntu", "Fedora", "OpenSUSE", "Arch Linux", > >> "Unix", etc, to the related topics and/or What We're About section should > >> improve this. > >> > >> I've tried setting up a community over Slack but I think the steps need > >> to join was what made it too intrusive for new people -- take joining the > >> Rust language Slack server for example: > >> > >> https://rust-slack.herokuapp.com/ > >> > >> - Send an invite link to your email > >> - Register with a name and password > >> - Be greeted with prompts about whether to send notifications > >> - Open the #general channel > >> > >> And this has to be repeated for joining every community that has their > >> own Slack server, or at least this has been my experience so far. I think > >> Slack has cemented itself as more of a means for teams to collaborate on a > >> project, not so much for casual users who want to jump right into a new > >> chat. > >> > >> Matrix only needs to register a username and password (email is optional) > >> on the server you're on, and once that's done you can join any number of > >> channels on that server. This is much closer to the UX of IRC, and it's > >> still superior in some ways because there's no fiddling with choosing a > >> specific authentication method like SASL and/or authenticating with nickserv > >> > >> I think in general Matrix has more mindshare amongst Linux users as a > >> modern alternative to IRC, which I think is worth considering when > >> comparing frequency of posts on Reddit: > >> > >> > >> https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/search?q=matrix&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevanc… > >> > >> -Josh > >> > >> On Sat, 2020-01-11 at 22:59 -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > >> > >> This morning I went out and created a meetup group for WLUG: > >> https://www.meetup.com/Worcester-Linux-Users-Group and paid for six > >> months. Feel free to go and join up if you'd like. > >> > >> The matrix stuff is cool, I cut my teeth on IRC so I'm always partial to > >> the old school but I also understand that eventually we'll want a slack > >> channel as well maybe. > >> > >> Tim. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:07 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG < > >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> > >> We also have an IRC channel: > >> > >> http://www.wlug.org/participate.html > >> > >> Internet Relay Chat > >> > >> Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel. > >> > >> Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net > >> Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link: irc:// > >> irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma. > >> See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your web > >> browser > >> > >> but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore. > >> > >> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > >> > Hey all, > >> > > >> > Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again to > >> > Tim for giving me a ride home! > >> > > >> > Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve general > >> > activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. Hosting a > >> > meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and > >> > getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great too. > >> > > >> > I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a text chat > >> > format for users who want to communicate more easily over the internet, > >> > especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord > >> > servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room sizes > >> > generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even before > >> > Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, etc. > >> > > >> > Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve > >> > participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because it > >> > has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience: > >> > > >> > - Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( > >> > https://matrix.org/clients/ > >> > - Persistent chat history > >> > - Link previews > >> > - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( > >> > https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/ > >> > - User moderation > >> > - Server federation > >> > - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely FOSS > >> > - File sharing > >> > - Voice/video calls > >> > > >> > > >> > I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat room > >> > would look like: > >> > > >> > https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png > >> > > >> > Or you can join the room I made: > >> > > >> > https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org > >> > > >> > Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already: > >> > > >> > #wlug:matrix.org > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Any thoughts?

Jan. 15, 2020

Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG

by Joshua Stone

That's excellent news! Sounds like the service is already paying for itself. I'm not opposed to video uploads, so long as the video/audio production is decent and the camera isn't in people's faces. I have a Sony video camera with native 4K and optical zoom, with a shotgun microphone attachment for capturing audio in front of the camera instead of the surrounding area. I also have a blue yeti if you want a good microphone for public speakers to use. We could make this a bit fancier and less intrusive by having a screencast of the speaker's computer to show slideshow material, terminal output, etc, and have an omnidirectional microphone listening and syncing with the screencast. -Josh On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 13:51 Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I've gotten a couple of hits about people possibly showing up for the next > WLUG meeting from meetup. That's cool! > > I went looking at the Boston Linux Users Group site and it's clear to me > that we're really missing the boat with putting our meetings on youtube, > well at least the ones with a definite presenter. > > Would people be freaked out about being on youtube? Is this something that > people would be interested in? I've got a decent DSLR we could use to take > video, but I don't want people to be uncomfortable. > > Tim. > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 1:41 PM <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Tim, >> >> Thank you very much for creating a meetup.com group for us! The UX for >> finding future meetups and adding meetup dates to a calender is quite good. >> Finding WLUG should also be fairly easy now when searching for "linux" >> within a 50 mile radius of Boston: >> >> >> https://www.meetup.com/find/?allMeetups=false&keywords=linux&radius=50&user… >> >> I've noticed that some search strings will show LUGs with overlapping >> interests but not WLUG. I think adding more words like "FOSS", "Android", >> "Libre", "Open Source", "Ubuntu", "Fedora", "OpenSUSE", "Arch Linux", >> "Unix", etc, to the related topics and/or What We're About section should >> improve this. >> >> I've tried setting up a community over Slack but I think the steps need >> to join was what made it too intrusive for new people -- take joining the >> Rust language Slack server for example: >> >> https://rust-slack.herokuapp.com/ >> >> - Send an invite link to your email >> - Register with a name and password >> - Be greeted with prompts about whether to send notifications >> - Open the #general channel >> >> And this has to be repeated for joining every community that has their >> own Slack server, or at least this has been my experience so far. I think >> Slack has cemented itself as more of a means for teams to collaborate on a >> project, not so much for casual users who want to jump right into a new >> chat. >> >> Matrix only needs to register a username and password (email is optional) >> on the server you're on, and once that's done you can join any number of >> channels on that server. This is much closer to the UX of IRC, and it's >> still superior in some ways because there's no fiddling with choosing a >> specific authentication method like SASL and/or authenticating with nickserv >> >> I think in general Matrix has more mindshare amongst Linux users as a >> modern alternative to IRC, which I think is worth considering when >> comparing frequency of posts on Reddit: >> >> >> https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/search?q=matrix&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevanc… >> >> -Josh >> >> On Sat, 2020-01-11 at 22:59 -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >> >> This morning I went out and created a meetup group for WLUG: >> https://www.meetup.com/Worcester-Linux-Users-Group and paid for six >> months. Feel free to go and join up if you'd like. >> >> The matrix stuff is cool, I cut my teeth on IRC so I'm always partial to >> the old school but I also understand that eventually we'll want a slack >> channel as well maybe. >> >> Tim. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:07 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> We also have an IRC channel: >> >> http://www.wlug.org/participate.html >> >> Internet Relay Chat >> >> Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel. >> >> Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net >> Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link: irc:// >> irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma. >> See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your web >> browser >> >> but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore. >> >> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: >> > Hey all, >> > >> > Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again to >> > Tim for giving me a ride home! >> > >> > Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve general >> > activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. Hosting a >> > meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and >> > getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great too. >> > >> > I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a text chat >> > format for users who want to communicate more easily over the internet, >> > especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord >> > servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room sizes >> > generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even before >> > Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, etc. >> > >> > Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve >> > participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because it >> > has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience: >> > >> > - Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( >> > https://matrix.org/clients/ >> > - Persistent chat history >> > - Link previews >> > - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( >> > https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/ >> > - User moderation >> > - Server federation >> > - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely FOSS >> > - File sharing >> > - Voice/video calls >> > >> > >> > I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat room >> > would look like: >> > >> > https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png >> > >> > Or you can join the room I made: >> > >> > https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org >> > >> > Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already: >> > >> > #wlug:matrix.org >> > >> > >> > >> > Any thoughts? >> > >> > >> > -Josh >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> WLUG mailing list -- >> >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> >> >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> >> wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> >> >> > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". >

Jan. 15, 2020

Re: The future of WLUG

by Gregory Boyce

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:03 PM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve > participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because it > has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience: > > - Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( > https://matrix.org/clients/) > - Persistent chat history > - Link previews > - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( > https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/) > - User moderation > - Server federation > - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely FOSS > - File sharing > - Voice/video calls > I've got some ideas in this area if anyone would like to work together on a project. I've got the start of a small private cloud, and I'm working on building infrastructure for hosting Diaspora/Friendica social networks anyways. Adding an additional technology could fit in pretty well.

Jan. 15, 2020

Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG

by Tim Keller

I've gotten a couple of hits about people possibly showing up for the next WLUG meeting from meetup. That's cool! I went looking at the Boston Linux Users Group site and it's clear to me that we're really missing the boat with putting our meetings on youtube, well at least the ones with a definite presenter. Would people be freaked out about being on youtube? Is this something that people would be interested in? I've got a decent DSLR we could use to take video, but I don't want people to be uncomfortable. Tim. On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 1:41 PM <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Tim, > > Thank you very much for creating a meetup.com group for us! The UX for > finding future meetups and adding meetup dates to a calender is quite good. > Finding WLUG should also be fairly easy now when searching for "linux" > within a 50 mile radius of Boston: > > > https://www.meetup.com/find/?allMeetups=false&keywords=linux&radius=50&user… > > I've noticed that some search strings will show LUGs with overlapping > interests but not WLUG. I think adding more words like "FOSS", "Android", > "Libre", "Open Source", "Ubuntu", "Fedora", "OpenSUSE", "Arch Linux", > "Unix", etc, to the related topics and/or What We're About section should > improve this. > > I've tried setting up a community over Slack but I think the steps need to > join was what made it too intrusive for new people -- take joining the Rust > language Slack server for example: > > https://rust-slack.herokuapp.com/ > > - Send an invite link to your email > - Register with a name and password > - Be greeted with prompts about whether to send notifications > - Open the #general channel > > And this has to be repeated for joining every community that has their own > Slack server, or at least this has been my experience so far. I think Slack > has cemented itself as more of a means for teams to collaborate on a > project, not so much for casual users who want to jump right into a new > chat. > > Matrix only needs to register a username and password (email is optional) > on the server you're on, and once that's done you can join any number of > channels on that server. This is much closer to the UX of IRC, and it's > still superior in some ways because there's no fiddling with choosing a > specific authentication method like SASL and/or authenticating with nickserv > > I think in general Matrix has more mindshare amongst Linux users as a > modern alternative to IRC, which I think is worth considering when > comparing frequency of posts on Reddit: > > > https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/search?q=matrix&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevanc… > > -Josh > > On Sat, 2020-01-11 at 22:59 -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > This morning I went out and created a meetup group for WLUG: > https://www.meetup.com/Worcester-Linux-Users-Group and paid for six > months. Feel free to go and join up if you'd like. > > The matrix stuff is cool, I cut my teeth on IRC so I'm always partial to > the old school but I also understand that eventually we'll want a slack > channel as well maybe. > > Tim. > > > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:07 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > We also have an IRC channel: > > http://www.wlug.org/participate.html > > Internet Relay Chat > > Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel. > > Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net > Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link: irc:// > irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma. > See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your web > browser > > but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore. > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again to > > Tim for giving me a ride home! > > > > Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve general > > activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. Hosting a > > meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and > > getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great too. > > > > I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a text chat > > format for users who want to communicate more easily over the internet, > > especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord > > servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room sizes > > generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even before > > Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, etc. > > > > Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve > > participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because it > > has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience: > > > > - Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( > > https://matrix.org/clients/ > > - Persistent chat history > > - Link previews > > - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( > > https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/ > > - User moderation > > - Server federation > > - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely FOSS > > - File sharing > > - Voice/video calls > > > > > > I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat room > > would look like: > > > > https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png > > > > Or you can join the room I made: > > > > https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org > > > > Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already: > > > > #wlug:matrix.org > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > -Josh > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- > > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 15, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: WLUG history

by Voorhis, Michael C

The history of the UG, is an entirely legitimate subject for a meeting, I would say. History is important! --MCV. On 1/15/20 8:26 AM, Andy Stewart via WLUG wrote: > I'm sure if a bunch of us sat together after a WLUG meeting, we'd > recall more stories and could, if desired, document the club's > history. I think it would be a lot of fun!

Jan. 15, 2020

Re: WLUG history

by Andy Stewart

On 1/14/20 8:03 PM, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: > GNHLUG started in 1995, but was reduced to a mailing list about ten years ago. > It no longer holds meetings. Every once in a while someone tries to > resuscitate it, but it eventually goes into a coma again. > > I think BLU has been around a long time. It is what is left from the Boston > Computer Society, and as such may have pre-dated even GNHLUG. I believe that BLU predates WLUG by quite a bit. I had just started learning about Linux, and I knew nothing of the GPL or the ideals surrounding Free Software. I decided that I wanted a place to hang out with people more knowledgeable about Linux. I lived in Worcester at the time, and I didn't want to drive to Boston or New Hampshire for a meeting due to the distance. I had never been to a user group meeting of any sort, yet I decided to jump into the deep end of the pool, with no clue of what to do, or how to do it, or what the result would be. All I thought was that people needed to be brought together. As a WPI alumnus, it seemed like a natural place for such a gathering. WLUG's first meeting was in July 1997 in the WPI Library. Maddog was there, and our first speaker was Jim Paradis. We had 17 people in attendance. I distinctly remember maddog telling me at that time that if we had 17 people in attendance in a year, we'd be doing quite well. We purchased really expensive food from DAKA, the WPI cafeteria service at that time. Later, we moved to different rooms on campus, and I brought soda and cookies. I never believed in charging membership dues for WLUG. I decided to go with small voluntary donations, just to defray costs, and no more. Somehow, it worked. We had something on the order of 50 people show up at what I think was probably the best attended WLUG meeting in history. I don't remember the year, but KDE had just come out, and I gave a talk about it. I have a feeling that this meeting took place in the big room in Olin Hall. The summer parties were always a big hit. Great food, conversations, and great people. While we occasionally had a speaker from outside of the club, most of the speakers were members of WLUG. We have a very talented membership who was never afraid to get up in front of the crowd to share what they know. I learned a lot from WLUG, both technically and otherwise. WLUG has its own Tux penguin, hand made by Doug Waud. WLUG Tux shows up at summer gatherings and other unexpected times. I'm sure if a bunch of us sat together after a WLUG meeting, we'd recall more stories and could, if desired, document the club's history. I think it would be a lot of fun! Andy

Jan. 15, 2020

Re: WLUG history

by Jon "maddog" Hall

GNHLUG started in 1995, but was reduced to a mailing list about ten years ago. It no longer holds meetings. Every once in a while someone tries to resuscitate it, but it eventually goes into a coma again. I think BLU has been around a long time. It is what is left from the Boston Computer Society, and as such may have pre-dated even GNHLUG. md On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:01 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Not sure we are the oldest, but we /might/ be the oldest still in > operation. Is GNHLUG still in operation? If so, they are probably > older. I was inspired to dig into my archives: > > An early email from our founder, Andy Stewart: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 22:22:18 -0400 > From: Andy Stewart <astewart(a)world.std.com> > To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group" <wlug(a)mass-pc.wpi.edu> > Subject: [Fwd: Caldera Inc. IT Forum] > > OK, gang, tell the man what you think! > > Remember, he is the gentleman who graciously donated the tee shirts and > CDROM discs from Caldera... > > Andy > > ---------------------- > > Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:30:22 -0600 > From: Paul La Fluer <paull(a)caldera.com> > Organization: Caldera, Inc. > To: astewart(a)world.std.com > Subject: Caldera Inc. IT Forum > > Hello Andy, I hope everything is going good. I am in the process of > organizing a conference while in New York. My goal is to rent out a > large ballroom in a hotel and have all the usergroups in the area come > and listen to Bryan Sparks our CEO and other talk about Linux and > OpenLinux. There will be presentations plus a Q&A session. I would like > to hear your feedback on the idea and if your group would attend. We > would be giving away door prizes like OpenLinux Base and Standard and > handing out t-shirts, papers and OpenLinux Lite and OpenDOS to all that > attend. Please give me some feedback on this idea. I need to know soon > to get things set up. > > Thanks, > > Paul La Fleur > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > An email about our SECOND meeting (that refers to the first meeting): > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 21:29:13 -0400 > From: Andy Stewart <astewart(a)world.std.com> > To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group" <wlug(a)mass-pc.wpi.edu> > Subject: Next WLUG meeting > > The next scheduled meeting for the Worcester Linux Users' Group (WLUG) > is August 21, 1997, at 7 PM in the Gordon Library on the Worcester > Polytechnic Institute (WPI) campus in Worcester, MA. > > We had a great turnout of about 20 people at our very first meeting last > month - I hope to see all of you come back, and I'd like to extend a > welcome to anybody who would like to attend. > > I would suggest parking in the "lower library" parking lot and hiking up > the 102 stairs to the library (not to mention the 12 or so more stairs > in the library to get to the 2nd floor!). > > For more information, feel free to send me E-mail at: > > astewart(a)world.std.com > > Look for the penguin signs! Hope to see you there! > > Andy Stewart > WLUG > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I'd guess our first meeting was about July 23 or 24, 1997, or perhaps > the week before, July 16 or 17. > > But maddog from GNHLUG forwarded this, which says "as always, the > meeting are free..." which implies that July 30th is NOT their first > meeting. If they had monthly meetings, that would place their first > meeting in June 1997 or before. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 97 10:28:09 -0400 > From: "Jon 'maddog' Hall, USG Senior Leader" <hall(a)zk3.dec.com> > To: gnhlug(a)zk3.dec.com > Subject: GNHLUG - Linux Cluster meeting July 30th at Martha's Exchange > > Hi, > > We now have a venue for the July 30th meeting of the GNHLUG, with Loki, > a cluster of 16 Pentium PRO 200s, running Linux as the topic of the talk. > > We will be meeting on the *second* floor dining room of the Martha's > Exchange > Building in beautiful downtown Nashua. I will be picking up the speaker in > Cambridge that day and transporting him to Martha's for dinner, arriving > about > 1730 hours. For those of you who wish to join us for dinner, please RSVP. > The meeting itself will start at 1900 hours, with the speaker probably > getting > up steam about 1915 hours. > > As always, the meetings are free and open to everyone, and as a FINAL > enticement I will be handling out *free* CD ROMS with the V1.2 Debian > release > for Intel on it. > > M. Patrick Goda, a principal of the Loki > > ( http://loki-www.lanl.gov/ ) > > project at the Theoretical Division of the Los Alamos National Labs, a > Beowulf > > ( http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux-web/beowulf/beowulf.html ) > > style computer will be our speaker. I have convinced him to present a talk > on the Loki project, one of linking together 16 Intel Pentium Pro machines > to > create a system that has: > > o high reliability > o high throughput > > and generally 16-node IBM SP2 performance (over 1.2 GigaFlops) at 1/20th > the > cost (about $60K)!! > > Pat is a friend of mine that I introduced to Red Hat Linux when he was a > graduate student at the University of Hawaii (long story). > > Due to the fact that Patrick is a rare find, I will invite the Boston Linux > User's Group and the Worcester Linux User's group to join us that night, > so I > have arranged for larger quarters. > > Some additional Beowulf pages are from my own alma mater: > > http://einstein.drexel.edu/beowulf/Beowulf_concept.html > > including exerpts from the original Beowulf story: > > http://einstein.drexel.edu/beowulf/original_beowulf.html > > Warmest regards, > > maddog > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Nevermind, GNHLUG is definitely older by several years according to their > web page: > > http://wiki.gnhlug.org/twiki2/bin/view/Www/PastEvents > > 1996 > > When Where What Who How Many > 31 Jan 1996 UNH Durham Linux Linus Torvalds 200+ > > 1994 > > When Where What Who How Many > 19 Oct UNH (?) First meeting Members ??? > > > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 04:13:25PM -0500, Richard Klein via WLUG wrote: > > What do we know about WLUG's history? If it really is one of the oldest > > LUGs, it might merit a Wikipedia article. It would be great if we could > > flesh that out, too. > > > > This article seems like it could use a list of LUGs: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_user_group > > > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 1:43 PM Dennis Payne via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > wrote: > > > > > The NatickFOSS group uses gettogether.community instead of meetup.com. > I > > > don't know that it has gotten us any visibility but the software is > open > > > source. I've been tempted to join meetup to go to Boston Indie Game > > > Developer meetings but have so far held off. > > > > > > The NatickFOSS group also gets a booth at the Science on State Street > > > event at Framingham State. It is a free STEM activity fair for kids. > My job > > > at the event is to generally occupy the time of the kids so the other > > > members talk to the parents. First year I had a playstation controller > > > hooked up to my laptop and held it out to any kid that walked by. Last > year > > > I brought the arcade machine assembled by my son's cub scout den. Any > idea > > > if WPI does any thing similar? Even if it is something only for WPI > > > students it might be useful to alert people to the group's existence. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Jan. 15, 2020

WLUG history

by Anderson, Charles R

Not sure we are the oldest, but we /might/ be the oldest still in operation. Is GNHLUG still in operation? If so, they are probably older. I was inspired to dig into my archives: An early email from our founder, Andy Stewart: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 22:22:18 -0400 From: Andy Stewart <astewart(a)world.std.com> To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group" <wlug(a)mass-pc.wpi.edu> Subject: [Fwd: Caldera Inc. IT Forum] OK, gang, tell the man what you think! Remember, he is the gentleman who graciously donated the tee shirts and CDROM discs from Caldera... Andy ---------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:30:22 -0600 From: Paul La Fluer <paull(a)caldera.com> Organization: Caldera, Inc. To: astewart(a)world.std.com Subject: Caldera Inc. IT Forum Hello Andy, I hope everything is going good. I am in the process of organizing a conference while in New York. My goal is to rent out a large ballroom in a hotel and have all the usergroups in the area come and listen to Bryan Sparks our CEO and other talk about Linux and OpenLinux. There will be presentations plus a Q&A session. I would like to hear your feedback on the idea and if your group would attend. We would be giving away door prizes like OpenLinux Base and Standard and handing out t-shirts, papers and OpenLinux Lite and OpenDOS to all that attend. Please give me some feedback on this idea. I need to know soon to get things set up. Thanks, Paul La Fleur ---------------------------------------------------------------------- An email about our SECOND meeting (that refers to the first meeting): ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 21:29:13 -0400 From: Andy Stewart <astewart(a)world.std.com> To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group" <wlug(a)mass-pc.wpi.edu> Subject: Next WLUG meeting The next scheduled meeting for the Worcester Linux Users' Group (WLUG) is August 21, 1997, at 7 PM in the Gordon Library on the Worcester Polytechnic Institute (WPI) campus in Worcester, MA. We had a great turnout of about 20 people at our very first meeting last month - I hope to see all of you come back, and I'd like to extend a welcome to anybody who would like to attend. I would suggest parking in the "lower library" parking lot and hiking up the 102 stairs to the library (not to mention the 12 or so more stairs in the library to get to the 2nd floor!). For more information, feel free to send me E-mail at: astewart(a)world.std.com Look for the penguin signs! Hope to see you there! Andy Stewart WLUG ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd guess our first meeting was about July 23 or 24, 1997, or perhaps the week before, July 16 or 17. But maddog from GNHLUG forwarded this, which says "as always, the meeting are free..." which implies that July 30th is NOT their first meeting. If they had monthly meetings, that would place their first meeting in June 1997 or before. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Jul 97 10:28:09 -0400 From: "Jon 'maddog' Hall, USG Senior Leader" <hall(a)zk3.dec.com> To: gnhlug(a)zk3.dec.com Subject: GNHLUG - Linux Cluster meeting July 30th at Martha's Exchange Hi, We now have a venue for the July 30th meeting of the GNHLUG, with Loki, a cluster of 16 Pentium PRO 200s, running Linux as the topic of the talk. We will be meeting on the *second* floor dining room of the Martha's Exchange Building in beautiful downtown Nashua. I will be picking up the speaker in Cambridge that day and transporting him to Martha's for dinner, arriving about 1730 hours. For those of you who wish to join us for dinner, please RSVP. The meeting itself will start at 1900 hours, with the speaker probably getting up steam about 1915 hours. As always, the meetings are free and open to everyone, and as a FINAL enticement I will be handling out *free* CD ROMS with the V1.2 Debian release for Intel on it. M. Patrick Goda, a principal of the Loki ( http://loki-www.lanl.gov/ ) project at the Theoretical Division of the Los Alamos National Labs, a Beowulf ( http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux-web/beowulf/beowulf.html ) style computer will be our speaker. I have convinced him to present a talk on the Loki project, one of linking together 16 Intel Pentium Pro machines to create a system that has: o high reliability o high throughput and generally 16-node IBM SP2 performance (over 1.2 GigaFlops) at 1/20th the cost (about $60K)!! Pat is a friend of mine that I introduced to Red Hat Linux when he was a graduate student at the University of Hawaii (long story). Due to the fact that Patrick is a rare find, I will invite the Boston Linux User's Group and the Worcester Linux User's group to join us that night, so I have arranged for larger quarters. Some additional Beowulf pages are from my own alma mater: http://einstein.drexel.edu/beowulf/Beowulf_concept.html including exerpts from the original Beowulf story: http://einstein.drexel.edu/beowulf/original_beowulf.html Warmest regards, maddog ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nevermind, GNHLUG is definitely older by several years according to their web page: http://wiki.gnhlug.org/twiki2/bin/view/Www/PastEvents 1996 When Where What Who How Many 31 Jan 1996 UNH Durham Linux Linus Torvalds 200+ 1994 When Where What Who How Many 19 Oct UNH (?) First meeting Members ??? On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 04:13:25PM -0500, Richard Klein via WLUG wrote: > What do we know about WLUG's history? If it really is one of the oldest > LUGs, it might merit a Wikipedia article. It would be great if we could > flesh that out, too. > > This article seems like it could use a list of LUGs: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_user_group > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 1:43 PM Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > The NatickFOSS group uses gettogether.community instead of meetup.com. I > > don't know that it has gotten us any visibility but the software is open > > source. I've been tempted to join meetup to go to Boston Indie Game > > Developer meetings but have so far held off. > > > > The NatickFOSS group also gets a booth at the Science on State Street > > event at Framingham State. It is a free STEM activity fair for kids. My job > > at the event is to generally occupy the time of the kids so the other > > members talk to the parents. First year I had a playstation controller > > hooked up to my laptop and held it out to any kid that walked by. Last year > > I brought the arcade machine assembled by my son's cub scout den. Any idea > > if WPI does any thing similar? Even if it is something only for WPI > > students it might be useful to alert people to the group's existence.

Jan. 15, 2020

Re: Improving WLUG outreach

by Richard Klein

What do we know about WLUG's history? If it really is one of the oldest LUGs, it might merit a Wikipedia article. It would be great if we could flesh that out, too. This article seems like it could use a list of LUGs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_user_group On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 1:43 PM Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > The NatickFOSS group uses gettogether.community instead of meetup.com. I > don't know that it has gotten us any visibility but the software is open > source. I've been tempted to join meetup to go to Boston Indie Game > Developer meetings but have so far held off. > > The NatickFOSS group also gets a booth at the Science on State Street > event at Framingham State. It is a free STEM activity fair for kids. My job > at the event is to generally occupy the time of the kids so the other > members talk to the parents. First year I had a playstation controller > hooked up to my laptop and held it out to any kid that walked by. Last year > I brought the arcade machine assembled by my son's cub scout den. Any idea > if WPI does any thing similar? Even if it is something only for WPI > students it might be useful to alert people to the group's existence. > > > > -- > > Dennis Payne > dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com > https://social.freegamedev.net/channel/dulsi > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Jan. 14, 2020

Re: Improving WLUG outreach

by Dennis Payne

The NatickFOSS group uses gettogether.community instead of meetup.com. I don't know that it has gotten us any visibility but the software is open source. I've been tempted to join meetup to go to Boston Indie Game Developer meetings but have so far held off. The NatickFOSS group also gets a booth at the Science on State Street event at Framingham State. It is a free STEM activity fair for kids. My job at the event is to generally occupy the time of the kids so the other members talk to the parents. First year I had a playstation controller hooked up to my laptop and held it out to any kid that walked by. Last year I brought the arcade machine assembled by my son's cub scout den. Any idea if WPI does any thing similar? Even if it is something only for WPI students it might be useful to alert people to the group's existence. -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://social.freegamedev.net/channel/dulsi

Jan. 14, 2020

Re: [EXT] Improving WLUG outreach

by Anderson, Charles R

Ideas are great, but I don't think we have a lack of ideas. We need people to step up and implement ideas. What concrete steps do you propose? Who do you propose should do those steps? On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 10:43:30AM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > Hey all, > > I thought I'd like to continue the topic about what we could do to increase > attendance meeting. > > I think working with the community at WPI would be a great thing for us, so > long as we try to understand more about the student culture. I've learned > that one of the most important things about WPI is that a sense of > community and working toward a greater goal are included as part of the > curriculum. One of the earliest classes a WPI student takes involves > thinking about the biggest problems impacting the world and makes strides > to tackling such problems head-on. > > https://www.wpi.edu/project-based-learning/wpi-plan/10-things-to-know > > I believe WPI also has a strong background in bioinformatics, and that's a > field that can surely benefit from FOSS as we want to encourage openness > and ethics when being on the forefront of scientific research that could > have sweeping societal impact. The last thing we need is more companies > like 23andMe hoarding genetic data for profit. > > Perhaps WLUG can do more to be involved in such things, emphasizing the > importance of "ethical" computing with the problems of DRM, > spying/tracking, proprietary software and data formats, software patents, > and licenses that lock away data that the community could benefit from. > Essentially we could give people more of an opportunity to think about the > social aspects and ramifications of technology, and can use that as a > framework for creating a better future. > > These are still ideas I'm throwing at the wall, hopefully something sticks! > > -Josh

Jan. 13, 2020

Improving WLUG outreach

by Joshua Stone

Hey all, I thought I'd like to continue the topic about what we could do to increase attendance meeting. I think working with the community at WPI would be a great thing for us, so long as we try to understand more about the student culture. I've learned that one of the most important things about WPI is that a sense of community and working toward a greater goal are included as part of the curriculum. One of the earliest classes a WPI student takes involves thinking about the biggest problems impacting the world and makes strides to tackling such problems head-on. https://www.wpi.edu/project-based-learning/wpi-plan/10-things-to-know I believe WPI also has a strong background in bioinformatics, and that's a field that can surely benefit from FOSS as we want to encourage openness and ethics when being on the forefront of scientific research that could have sweeping societal impact. The last thing we need is more companies like 23andMe hoarding genetic data for profit. Perhaps WLUG can do more to be involved in such things, emphasizing the importance of "ethical" computing with the problems of DRM, spying/tracking, proprietary software and data formats, software patents, and licenses that lock away data that the community could benefit from. Essentially we could give people more of an opportunity to think about the social aspects and ramifications of technology, and can use that as a framework for creating a better future. These are still ideas I'm throwing at the wall, hopefully something sticks! -Josh

Jan. 13, 2020

Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG

by joshua.gage.stone＠gmail.com

Tim, Thank you very much for creating a meetup.com group for us! The UX for finding future meetups and adding meetup dates to a calender is quite good. Finding WLUG should also be fairly easy now when searching for "linux" within a 50 mile radius of Boston: https://www.meetup.com/find/?allMeetups=false&keywords=linux&radius=50&user… I've noticed that some search strings will show LUGs with overlapping interests but not WLUG. I think adding more words like "FOSS", "Android", "Libre", "Open Source", "Ubuntu", "Fedora", "OpenSUSE", "Arch Linux", "Unix", etc, to the related topics and/or What We're About section should improve this. I've tried setting up a community over Slack but I think the steps need to join was what made it too intrusive for new people -- take joining the Rust language Slack server for example: https://rust-slack.herokuapp.com/ - Send an invite link to your email- Register with a name and password- Be greeted with prompts about whether to send notifications- Open the #general channel And this has to be repeated for joining every community that has their own Slack server, or at least this has been my experience so far. I think Slack has cemented itself as more of a means for teams to collaborate on a project, not so much for casual users who want to jump right into a new chat. Matrix only needs to register a username and password (email is optional) on the server you're on, and once that's done you can join any number of channels on that server. This is much closer to the UX of IRC, and it's still superior in some ways because there's no fiddling with choosing a specific authentication method like SASL and/or authenticating with nickserv I think in general Matrix has more mindshare amongst Linux users as a modern alternative to IRC, which I think is worth considering when comparing frequency of posts on Reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/search?q=matrix&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevanc… -Josh On Sat, 2020-01-11 at 22:59 -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > This morning I went out and created a meetup group for WLUG: > https://www.meetup.com/Worcester-Linux-Users-Group and paid for six > months. Feel free to go and join up if you'd like. > The matrix stuff is cool, I cut my teeth on IRC so I'm always partial > to the old school but I also understand that eventually we'll want a > slack channel as well maybe. > > Tim. > > > > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:07 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > We also have an IRC channel: > > > > > > > > http://www.wlug.org/participate.html > > > > > > > > Internet Relay Chat > > > > > > > > Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel. > > > > > > > > Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net > > > > Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link: > > irc://irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma. > > > > See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your > > web browser > > > > > > > > but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG > > wrote: > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > > > > > Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again > > to > > > > > Tim for giving me a ride home! > > > > > > > > > > Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve > > general > > > > > activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. > > Hosting a > > > > > meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and > > > > > getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great > > too. > > > > > > > > > > I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a > > text chat > > > > > format for users who want to communicate more easily over the > > internet, > > > > > especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord > > > > > servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room > > sizes > > > > > generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even > > before > > > > > Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve > > > > > participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here > > because it > > > > > has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience: > > > > > > > > > > - Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( > > > > > https://matrix.org/clients/ > > > > > - Persistent chat history > > > > > - Link previews > > > > > - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( > > > > > https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/ > > > > > - User moderation > > > > > - Server federation > > > > > - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely > > FOSS > > > > > - File sharing > > > > > - Voice/video calls > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat > > room > > > > > would look like: > > > > > > > > > > https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png > > > > > > > > > > Or you can join the room I made: > > > > > > > > > > https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org > > > > > > > > > > Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already: > > > > > > > > > > #wlug:matrix.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Josh > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > _______________________________________________WLUG mailing list -- > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Jan. 12, 2020

Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG

by Tim Keller

This morning I went out and created a meetup group for WLUG: https://www.meetup.com/Worcester-Linux-Users-Group and paid for six months. Feel free to go and join up if you'd like. The matrix stuff is cool, I cut my teeth on IRC so I'm always partial to the old school but I also understand that eventually we'll want a slack channel as well maybe. Tim. On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 4:07 PM Anderson, Charles R via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > We also have an IRC channel: > > http://www.wlug.org/participate.html > > Internet Relay Chat > > Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel. > > Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net > Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link: irc:// > irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma. > See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your web > browser > > but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore. > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again to > > Tim for giving me a ride home! > > > > Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve general > > activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. Hosting a > > meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and > > getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great too. > > > > I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a text chat > > format for users who want to communicate more easily over the internet, > > especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord > > servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room sizes > > generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even before > > Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, etc. > > > > Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve > > participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because it > > has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience: > > > > - Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( > > https://matrix.org/clients/ > > - Persistent chat history > > - Link previews > > - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( > > https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/ > > - User moderation > > - Server federation > > - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely FOSS > > - File sharing > > - Voice/video calls > > > > > > I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat room > > would look like: > > > > https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png > > > > Or you can join the room I made: > > > > https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org > > > > Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already: > > > > #wlug:matrix.org > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > -Josh > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 12, 2020

Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG

by hammerron

I use IRC from time to time on other channels, averaging about once a week. I peer into the WLUG channel from time to time. I will make "noise" in the future when there. On 1/10/20 4:07 PM, Anderson, Charles R via WLUG wrote: > We also have an IRC channel: > > http://www.wlug.org/participate.html > > Internet Relay Chat > > Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel. > > Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net > Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link: irc://irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma. > See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your web browser > > but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore. > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: >> Hey all, >> >> Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again to >> Tim for giving me a ride home! >> >> Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve general >> activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. Hosting a >> meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and >> getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great too. >> >> I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a text chat >> format for users who want to communicate more easily over the internet, >> especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord >> servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room sizes >> generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even before >> Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, etc. >> >> Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve >> participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because it >> has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience: >> >> - Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( >> https://matrix.org/clients/ >> - Persistent chat history >> - Link previews >> - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( >> https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/ >> - User moderation >> - Server federation >> - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely FOSS >> - File sharing >> - Voice/video calls >> >> >> I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat room >> would look like: >> >> https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png >> >> Or you can join the room I made: >> >> https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org >> >> Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already: >> >> #wlug:matrix.org >> >> >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> >> -Josh > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Jan. 11, 2020

Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG

by joshua.gage.stone＠gmail.com

> I used IRC once; it worked. I have no idea what Discord, Matrix, > Telegram, > etc. are. Do they interoperate? Are they open standards? RFC-NNNN? Discord and Telegram very closed actually (outright malicious at times where they can ban anyone who tries to implement a third-party client), but they're very popular because most people -- even FOSS developers -- favor a polished experience so they can spend more time interacting with users than troubleshooting technical problems. That being said, I'd lean more toward Matrix because it is an open standard (no official RFC as far as I'm aware), with all source code being available along with protocol documentation: https://github.com/matrix-org https://matrix.org/docs/spec/ It's one of the few protocols built with federation in mind, so a user can log into one server and communicate with other on a different server, not unlike email. It's also more robust than what IRC networks do for load balancing of user traffic where a room can experience a netsplit if a server goes down. > I think you just said that all of it is run from a central "server" > that is under control of ??? In the case Matrix, you have the option of running your own server (reference server located at https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse) or you can use the official matrix.org server which is run by the same developers. One of the nice things about Matrix is that you have all of these choices for server hosting and clients like on IRC. > Personal computer should suffice. Unless mistakes were made. That's actually what I mean by a personal cloud -- if you need to configure a bouncer for a feature like persistent history, then that means you need at least one computer to designate for said bouncer, and you need to configure your firewall at home if you want to be able to connect to it from a public hotspot. Far from ideal, and can leave you exposed if you're not careful (Do we also want to set up a VPN to hide our IP address, use fail2ban in case a malicious party tries to DDOS us? etc, etc, etc). Far too much work to be placed on individuals who'd rather just chat. > OK. Carry on. I am happy without bot chats. I'm also happy about not having to rely on bots! - Josh On Fri, 2020-01-10 at 19:13 -0500, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > "joshua.gage.stone--- via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > I think IRC would've been a great choice about a decade ago, > > I used IRC once; it worked. I have no idea what Discord, Matrix, > Telegram, > etc. are. Do they interoperate? Are they open standards? RFC-NNNN? > > > IRC essentially pushes implementation onto the client and/or need > > a bouncer to get features you'd get for free in other services. > > I think you just said that all of it is run from a central "server" > that is under control of ??? > > > You practically need a personal cloud > > Personal computer should suffice. Unless mistakes were made. > > > especially if you're on a mobile device that can't maintain an > > active > > connection at all times. You also need a bot if you want any kind > > of > > features like link previews. > > OK. Carry on. I am happy without bot chats. > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Jan. 11, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG

by Krichevsky, Nicholas J.

I've seen some Discord servers that incorporate integration between Telegram and Matrix (the openSUSE server comes to mind), but it is a labour of love and not anything built into the platforms themselves. They're really just fancy bot-hacks to make it look like certain people are talking. Matrix is the most open of the three, as it allows self-hosting and has "bridge" integration as a major feature (the aforementioned openSUSE example is one such integration). From what I can tell, Matrix is really just the answer to the privatization of chat we see from companies like Slack and Discord (which are both highly, highly successful, especially with us youngings). I don't know of anyone who uses it full time, other than Linux folks (but hey, I guess that's what this mailing list is for :) ) I've had some nice success with IRCCloud if I want a persistent connection on a mobile device, but it's not perfect (and is not free for > 2h connections). I've resorted to some of the more classic methods of using bouncers like ZNC for persistent IRC connections. ________________________________ From: Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 7:13 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>; Anderson, Charles R <cra(a)wpi.edu>; joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com>; Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG "joshua.gage.stone--- via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I think IRC would've been a great choice about a decade ago, I used IRC once; it worked. I have no idea what Discord, Matrix, Telegram, etc. are. Do they interoperate? Are they open standards? RFC-NNNN? > IRC essentially pushes implementation onto the client and/or need > a bouncer to get features you'd get for free in other services. I think you just said that all of it is run from a central "server" that is under control of ??? > You practically need a personal cloud Personal computer should suffice. Unless mistakes were made. > especially if you're on a mobile device that can't maintain an active > connection at all times. You also need a bot if you want any kind of > features like link previews. OK. Carry on. I am happy without bot chats. -- Keith _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Jan. 11, 2020

Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG

by Keith Wright

"joshua.gage.stone--- via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I think IRC would've been a great choice about a decade ago, I used IRC once; it worked. I have no idea what Discord, Matrix, Telegram, etc. are. Do they interoperate? Are they open standards? RFC-NNNN? > IRC essentially pushes implementation onto the client and/or need > a bouncer to get features you'd get for free in other services. I think you just said that all of it is run from a central "server" that is under control of ??? > You practically need a personal cloud Personal computer should suffice. Unless mistakes were made. > especially if you're on a mobile device that can't maintain an active > connection at all times. You also need a bot if you want any kind of > features like link previews. OK. Carry on. I am happy without bot chats. -- Keith

Jan. 11, 2020

Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG

by joshua.gage.stone＠gmail.com

I think IRC would've been a great choice about a decade ago, but it seems to have fallen out of favor as newer chat services have been added. It's less that IRC is old per se, rather virtually nothing has been done to improve the UX. IRC has some very unique problems where you have to actively configure something as simple as the port number to connect with and whether to enable TLS while other services have standardized on this long ago so users don't have to think about that. I remember when IRC was very popular among the communities I frequented years ago, but outside of FOSS projects many of these channels are now dead because people have moved onto Discord, Matrix, Telegram, etc. I think part of this can also be attributed to the advent of mobile, as IRC clients are usually painful on a phone where you have to type commands on a touchscreen. I also have found IRC to be blocked on some networks, while Matrix served over HTTPS is very firewall-friendly. As of 2020, there are still many features that're missing because IRC essentially pushes implementation onto the client and/or need a bouncer to get features you'd get for free in other services. You practically need a personal cloud if you want to be able to have persistent chat history and/or avoid flooding a channel with disconnect messages especially if you're on a mobile device that can't maintain an active connection at all times. You also need a bot if you want any kind of features like link previews. -Josh On Fri, 2020-01-10 at 21:07 +0000, Anderson, Charles R via WLUG wrote: > We also have an IRC channel: > > http://www.wlug.org/participate.html > > Internet Relay Chat > > Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel. > > Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net > Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link: > irc://irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma. > See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your > web browser > > but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore. > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG > wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again > > to > > Tim for giving me a ride home! > > > > Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve > > general > > activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. > > Hosting a > > meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and > > getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great > > too. > > > > I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a text > > chat > > format for users who want to communicate more easily over the > > internet, > > especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord > > servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room sizes > > generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even before > > Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, etc. > > > > Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve > > participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because > > it > > has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience: > > > > - Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( > > https://matrix.org/clients/ > > - Persistent chat history > > - Link previews > > - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( > > https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/ > > - User moderation > > - Server federation > > - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely > > FOSS > > - File sharing > > - Voice/video calls > > > > > > I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat room > > would look like: > > > > https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png > > > > Or you can join the room I made: > > > > https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org > > > > Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already: > > > > #wlug:matrix.org > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > -Josh > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Jan. 10, 2020

Re: [EXT] The future of WLUG

by Anderson, Charles R

We also have an IRC channel: http://www.wlug.org/participate.html Internet Relay Chat Join the realtime chat on our IRC channel. Connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net Join the #wlug-ma channel or join directly from this link: irc://irc.freenode.net/#wlug-ma. See more information about Freenode and join the chat from your web browser but maybe IRC is too old school--no one chats on it anymore. On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:03:14PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > Hey all, > > Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again to > Tim for giving me a ride home! > > Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve general > activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. Hosting a > meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and > getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great too. > > I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a text chat > format for users who want to communicate more easily over the internet, > especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord > servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room sizes > generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even before > Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, etc. > > Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve > participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because it > has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience: > > - Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( > https://matrix.org/clients/ > - Persistent chat history > - Link previews > - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( > https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/ > - User moderation > - Server federation > - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely FOSS > - File sharing > - Voice/video calls > > > I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat room > would look like: > > https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png > > Or you can join the room I made: > > https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org > > Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already: > > #wlug:matrix.org > > > > Any thoughts? > > > -Josh

Jan. 10, 2020

The future of WLUG

by Joshua Stone

Hey all, Last night's meeting was excellent, and I'd like say thanks again to Tim for giving me a ride home! Last night's discussion gave me ideas of ways we could improve general activity, increase attendence, and improve outreach efforts. Hosting a meetup.com group would be certainly improve discoverability, and getting in touch with WPI's computer science group would be great too. I think what a lot communities are doing nowadays is having a text chat format for users who want to communicate more easily over the internet, especially with mobile devices. As an example, there are Discord servers for Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, etc, and they have room sizes generally in the hundreds or even well over a thousand. Even before Discord they'd use IRC for providing support, posting updates, etc. Having a text chat of our own would certainly help improve participation -- I think Matrix would be a good option here because it has many nice features and has a fairly polished user experience: - Numerous clients available on desktop, mobile, and web ( https://matrix.org/clients/) - Persistent chat history - Link previews - Various bots to choose from for adding functionality ( https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bots/) - User moderation - Server federation - Self-hosting available, both client and server are completely FOSS - File sharing - Voice/video calls I have a screenshot if anyone wants to see what a Matrix chat room would look like: https://i.imgur.com/aVILcWB.png Or you can join the room I made: https://matrix.to/#/!EiTljkvagZDFKfQfFu:matrix.org?via=matrix.org Alteratively, if you have a Matrix client already: #wlug:matrix.org Any thoughts? -Josh

Jan. 10, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Reminder! We've got a meeting tonight! (January 9th 2019) at 7PM. WPI Campus Center Rm 331

by Anderson, Charles R

I'll be a few minutes late (already am in fact). On Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 07:03:52PM -0500, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > Looking forward to seeing everyone! > > -Josh > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2020, 16:15 Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > Hey Everybody, > > > > We've got a meeting tonight. I'll be in our usual haunt (WPI Campus Center > > Mid Century Room (rm 331)) at 7PM. > > > > As this was a short notice meeting, I suspect the attendance might be > > sparse. > > Josh, why don't we plan for February so you're not on the spot and I can > > get the word out a bit better. > > I'm thinking tonight might be a bit freeform which is always fun! We can > > also talk about things that we might all find interesting for up coming > > topics. > > > > As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll > > head off for dinner. > > > > See you there! > > Tim. > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org -- Charles R. Anderson, JNCIE-SP cra(a)wpi.edu Network Architect (508) 831-6110 Network Operations - Morgan Hall (508) 831-6666 Worcester Polytechnic Institute Fax (508) 831-6669

Jan. 10, 2020

Re: Reminder! We've got a meeting tonight! (January 9th 2019) at 7PM. WPI Campus Center Rm 331

by Joshua Stone

Looking forward to seeing everyone! -Josh On Thu, Jan 9, 2020, 16:15 Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > We've got a meeting tonight. I'll be in our usual haunt (WPI Campus Center > Mid Century Room (rm 331)) at 7PM. > > As this was a short notice meeting, I suspect the attendance might be > sparse. > Josh, why don't we plan for February so you're not on the spot and I can > get the word out a bit better. > I'm thinking tonight might be a bit freeform which is always fun! We can > also talk about things that we might all find interesting for up coming > topics. > > As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll > head off for dinner. > > See you there! > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Jan. 10, 2020

Reminder! We've got a meeting tonight! (January 9th 2019) at 7PM. WPI Campus Center Rm 331

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting tonight. I'll be in our usual haunt (WPI Campus Center Mid Century Room (rm 331)) at 7PM. As this was a short notice meeting, I suspect the attendance might be sparse. Josh, why don't we plan for February so you're not on the spot and I can get the word out a bit better. I'm thinking tonight might be a bit freeform which is always fun! We can also talk about things that we might all find interesting for up coming topics. As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for dinner. See you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 9, 2020

Re: Greetings Programs!

by Tim Keller

Lexi, I've heard of Tiny, but I've never seen it in action. That sounds really cool! Feel free to bring along the laptop to show it off! That in itself sounds like a great idea for a talk! Later, Tim. On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:16 PM Lexi Haley via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hi, I'm Lexi! > > I've not been to a WLUG meeting since ... since a long time .... I > remember a Blender talk, and a Maddog talk - and these look like circa > 2003/2004.... So, absent a long time! > > Anyways. I am trying to find the time to come again. > > I've been a casual Linux user since 1998, when I installed Debian from a > pile of floppies (( or should I say, my friend installed it for me, and my > learning journey began )) .... and for a long time I was an exclusive user > .... and at heart I think I am still - even as I flog along a 10 year old > iMac. > > But for a couple years now, on my laptop I've been running 'Tiny Core > Linux' , which if you're unfamiliar with it, it is based on the Linux From > Scratch work, with an emphasis on a 'tiny' footprint. Needed additional > software are mounted into ram from squashfs archives, on the fly. It is > quirky, but I like it. I wondered if anyone else has used it (or uses it). > > I didn't feel right just asking blindly, without a vague reintroduction of > myself. > > So - question: Anyone else use, now or previously, the Tiny Core Linux > Distribution? [*] > > Thanks, > Lexi Haley (WPI CS 2002) > > [*] a search on the email archives yielded no hits ... > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 9, 2020

Greetings Programs!

by Lexi Haley

Hi, I'm Lexi! I've not been to a WLUG meeting since ... since a long time .... I remember a Blender talk, and a Maddog talk - and these look like circa 2003/2004.... So, absent a long time! Anyways. I am trying to find the time to come again. I've been a casual Linux user since 1998, when I installed Debian from a pile of floppies (( or should I say, my friend installed it for me, and my learning journey began )) .... and for a long time I was an exclusive user .... and at heart I think I am still - even as I flog along a 10 year old iMac. But for a couple years now, on my laptop I've been running 'Tiny Core Linux' , which if you're unfamiliar with it, it is based on the Linux From Scratch work, with an emphasis on a 'tiny' footprint. Needed additional software are mounted into ram from squashfs archives, on the fly. It is quirky, but I like it. I wondered if anyone else has used it (or uses it). I didn't feel right just asking blindly, without a vague reintroduction of myself. So - question: Anyone else use, now or previously, the Tiny Core Linux Distribution? [*] Thanks, Lexi Haley (WPI CS 2002) [*] a search on the email archives yielded no hits ...

Jan. 8, 2020

Re: We've got a Meeting on January 9th! Usual Spot, Topic: Possibly TBD

by Joshua Stone

Hey all, I hope everyone had a great time over the holidays! I certainly did! I'm also happy to hear that the presentation was so well received (easily the longest talk I've held so far!) and there is interest in doing it again! I know that some couldn't attend the December meeting, and I recall we had to cut the meeting short before we could do a demo of drawing on a Wacom drawing tablet with Krita. If there are enough people interested in seeing my presentation again I could see if I can attend tomorrow, otherwise I could plan for February instead which will give me time to refine my material as well as give more people a chance to attend. -Josh On Tue, Jan 7, 2020, 22:23 Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > I hope you all had a great holidays and a happy new year! We've got a > meeting on Thursday, the 9th! > > Location: WPI Campus Center Mid Century Room Rm 331 (our usual haunt) > Date / Time: January 9th, 2020 at 7PM > Topic: TBD! Let me know if you'll be attending we'll see what we might > want to do. > If more people are going to show up we could do a redo of Joshua's talk, > it was fantastic. > Another option might be to have a round table for topics people might want > to hear this year. > Obviously, if people have ideas feel free to post them to the list as well! > > As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll > head off for dinner to continue the conversation. > > Hope to see you there > Tim Keller > WLUG President > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Jan. 8, 2020

We've got a Meeting on January 9th! Usual Spot, Topic: Possibly TBD

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, I hope you all had a great holidays and a happy new year! We've got a meeting on Thursday, the 9th! Location: WPI Campus Center Mid Century Room Rm 331 (our usual haunt) Date / Time: January 9th, 2020 at 7PM Topic: TBD! Let me know if you'll be attending we'll see what we might want to do. If more people are going to show up we could do a redo of Joshua's talk, it was fantastic. Another option might be to have a round table for topics people might want to hear this year. Obviously, if people have ideas feel free to post them to the list as well! As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for dinner to continue the conversation. Hope to see you there Tim Keller WLUG President -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 8, 2020

STM8 blue pill boards and programmer

by John Stoffel

Guys, I've got some STM8 bluepill boards and a spare knock off ST-Linkv2 programmer if anyone is interested. I was playing around with them this weekend and the lack of a decent IR Library meant that my interest has waned. They're cheap cheap chear, and interesting as a way to learn more low level programming. I can give you my linux notes if you like too! Or if you know of a library for STM8 that does both send/receive of IR codes, I'd love to hear about it. I'd trade for an AVR ISP programmer instead if anyone has one, since I'm now more interested in ATtiny 85/84/88/841 boards these days. I won't be able to make meetings (unless maybe if you have one the 16th of this January) for a while though, so we'd have to arrange a meetup or something. Cheers! John

Jan. 5, 2020

Re: Wireless Networking for Cub Scouts

by JeffA Maillists

I have a few USB wireless networking adapters you could have. I think I have 4 or 5. I just have to find them, LOL... Jeff Artz 508-735-8675 On Sun, Dec 29, 2019, 9:53 AM Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Anyone have a wireless networking card or computer with wireless > networking they would be willing to donate to the cub scouts? > > For last years pinewood derby we used DerbyNet ( > https://jeffpiazza.github.io/derbynet/) It was great. We want to step > it up a bit this year. I'd like to have a computer running the software > and tablets connecting wirelessly to register cars. This way we can > take pictures of every car as they are registered. > > I have some old computers which could be used but none have wireless > networking. > > -- > Dennis Payne > dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com > https://social.freegamedev.net/channel/dulsi > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Dec. 29, 2019

Wireless Networking for Cub Scouts

by Dennis Payne

Anyone have a wireless networking card or computer with wireless networking they would be willing to donate to the cub scouts? For last years pinewood derby we used DerbyNet ( https://jeffpiazza.github.io/derbynet/) It was great. We want to step it up a bit this year. I'd like to have a computer running the software and tablets connecting wirelessly to register cars. This way we can take pictures of every car as they are registered. I have some old computers which could be used but none have wireless networking. -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://social.freegamedev.net/channel/dulsi

Dec. 29, 2019

Re: WLUG meeting and presentation material

by John Stoffel

Josh, Thanks for being so prompt in putting up your slides, still bummed I missed the presentation. Happy Holidays all! John

Dec. 21, 2019

WLUG meeting and presentation material

by Joshua Stone

Hey everyone, Thank you again for letting me present on Silverblue, Toolbox, and Flatpak for December's WLUG meeting! I've uploaded a PDF copy of the slideshow material to my Google Drive for anyone who couldn't make it to the meeting and/or wants to look at some of the references inside: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1FJc9864buwRFS5UktivfffU7u9CySSKB Admittedly the material itself can be difficult to understand as it was made more to complement an oral presentation format, but I could continue improving on the material to make it more complete if there's enough interest, plus much development has been going on around containers that it makes sense to update it anyway. I hope everyone is having an excellent time enjoying the holidays! -Josh

Dec. 21, 2019

Re: Encrypted Sorna Reviewer CD files

by Andre Lehovich

I use either Fiji ImageJ (http://fiji.sc/) or 3D Slicer (https://www.slicer.org/) to work with DICOM data. I have never encountered an encrypted DICOM image, so I have no idea if they support that. I'm not sure if either is packaged by any distros; I use binaries downloaded from those sites. On 12/18/19 7:42 PM, Richard Klein via WLUG wrote: > I picked up a copy of some x-rays and MRIs. They're on a CD, > encrypted, with Windows viewer software. Has anyone figured out how > to view these in Linux? I have the password to decrypt, I just don't > know what software to use (without resorting to Windows). > > I think it may actually be a DICOM file format. > > Here's a link to the viewer software: > https://sorna.com/solutions/reviewer/ > > -- > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Dec. 21, 2019

Re: Encrypted Sorna Reviewer CD files

by Richard Klein

Ha! I'm still at work and haven't tried anything, but I did a little more googling. DICOM is an acronym for a medical imaging standard, and there seem to be a variety of viewers, free and not. Gingko, in particular, looks interesting because it's mentioned in a Manjaro forum thread, and was still in active development relatively recently. It's available in the AUR (Arch User Repository), if not elsewhere. On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 4:55 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I wonder if there's a way you could export the MRI into a format that you > could eventually get into an STL so we could print it! How'd you'd like > your heart printed in eye melt orange! > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 11:11 AM Joshua Stone via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> I found this last night which seems promising, but I don't have DICOM >> files to test with: >> >> >> https://flathub.org/apps/details/br.gov.cti.invesalius >> >> I hope this helps! >> >> -Josh >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 11:05 Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks! I'm at work now, stuck on a Windows machine, but I googled >>> "linux dicom viewer" and got some interesting results that I'll have to try >>> later. I also brought the disc into work with me and tried the bundled >>> Windows viewer. It offers the option to export the encrypted images, but >>> exports them with no file extension, and I don't know what kind of files >>> they are. GIMP opens them and display something, but I don't think it's >>> displaying them correctly. >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 11:11 PM Jon "maddog" Hall < >>> jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=viewing+MRI+images+on+cd+using+linux&oq=vie… >>>> >>>> includes several articles about either Open or Free Software that runs >>>> on Linux and allows you to view these files. >>>> >>>> I had a massive heart attack three years ago, and I think it was >>>> "aeskulap" software that I used to view what was left of my beating heart. >>>> >>>> Also, by opening up the software manager app on Mint and searching for >>>> "MRI" I found several tools already packaged up. Ubuntu and Fedora also >>>> seem to have the same types of software. >>>> >>>> md >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 10:43 PM Richard Klein via WLUG < >>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I picked up a copy of some x-rays and MRIs. They're on a CD, >>>>> encrypted, with Windows viewer software. Has anyone figured out how to >>>>> view these in Linux? I have the password to decrypt, I just don't know >>>>> what software to use (without resorting to Windows). >>>>> >>>>> I think it may actually be a DICOM file format. >>>>> >>>>> Here's a link to the viewer software: >>>>> https://sorna.com/solutions/reviewer/ >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Rich >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Dec. 19, 2019

Re: [EXT] Re: Encrypted Sorna Reviewer CD files

by Anderson, Charles R

Yes. One of our professors here did exactly that with an MRI image of his brain. On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 04:55:01PM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > I wonder if there's a way you could export the MRI into a format that you > could eventually get into an STL so we could print it! How'd you'd like > your heart printed in eye melt orange! > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 11:11 AM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > I found this last night which seems promising, but I don't have DICOM > > files to test with: > > > > > > https://flathub.org/apps/details/br.gov.cti.invesalius > > > > I hope this helps! > > > > -Josh > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 11:05 Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > wrote: > > > >> Thanks! I'm at work now, stuck on a Windows machine, but I googled > >> "linux dicom viewer" and got some interesting results that I'll have to try > >> later. I also brought the disc into work with me and tried the bundled > >> Windows viewer. It offers the option to export the encrypted images, but > >> exports them with no file extension, and I don't know what kind of files > >> they are. GIMP opens them and display something, but I don't think it's > >> displaying them correctly. > >> > >> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 11:11 PM Jon "maddog" Hall < > >> jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> https://www.google.com/search?q=viewing+MRI+images+on+cd+using+linux&oq=vie… > >>> > >>> includes several articles about either Open or Free Software that runs > >>> on Linux and allows you to view these files. > >>> > >>> I had a massive heart attack three years ago, and I think it was > >>> "aeskulap" software that I used to view what was left of my beating heart. > >>> > >>> Also, by opening up the software manager app on Mint and searching for > >>> "MRI" I found several tools already packaged up. Ubuntu and Fedora also > >>> seem to have the same types of software. > >>> > >>> md > >>> > >>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 10:43 PM Richard Klein via WLUG < > >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I picked up a copy of some x-rays and MRIs. They're on a CD, > >>>> encrypted, with Windows viewer software. Has anyone figured out how to > >>>> view these in Linux? I have the password to decrypt, I just don't know > >>>> what software to use (without resorting to Windows). > >>>> > >>>> I think it may actually be a DICOM file format. > >>>> > >>>> Here's a link to the viewer software: > >>>> https://sorna.com/solutions/reviewer/

Dec. 19, 2019

Re: Encrypted Sorna Reviewer CD files

by Tim Keller

I wonder if there's a way you could export the MRI into a format that you could eventually get into an STL so we could print it! How'd you'd like your heart printed in eye melt orange! On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 11:11 AM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I found this last night which seems promising, but I don't have DICOM > files to test with: > > > https://flathub.org/apps/details/br.gov.cti.invesalius > > I hope this helps! > > -Josh > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 11:05 Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Thanks! I'm at work now, stuck on a Windows machine, but I googled >> "linux dicom viewer" and got some interesting results that I'll have to try >> later. I also brought the disc into work with me and tried the bundled >> Windows viewer. It offers the option to export the encrypted images, but >> exports them with no file extension, and I don't know what kind of files >> they are. GIMP opens them and display something, but I don't think it's >> displaying them correctly. >> >> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 11:11 PM Jon "maddog" Hall < >> jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> https://www.google.com/search?q=viewing+MRI+images+on+cd+using+linux&oq=vie… >>> >>> includes several articles about either Open or Free Software that runs >>> on Linux and allows you to view these files. >>> >>> I had a massive heart attack three years ago, and I think it was >>> "aeskulap" software that I used to view what was left of my beating heart. >>> >>> Also, by opening up the software manager app on Mint and searching for >>> "MRI" I found several tools already packaged up. Ubuntu and Fedora also >>> seem to have the same types of software. >>> >>> md >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 10:43 PM Richard Klein via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>>> I picked up a copy of some x-rays and MRIs. They're on a CD, >>>> encrypted, with Windows viewer software. Has anyone figured out how to >>>> view these in Linux? I have the password to decrypt, I just don't know >>>> what software to use (without resorting to Windows). >>>> >>>> I think it may actually be a DICOM file format. >>>> >>>> Here's a link to the viewer software: >>>> https://sorna.com/solutions/reviewer/ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Rich >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 19, 2019

Re: Encrypted Sorna Reviewer CD files

by Joshua Stone

I found this last night which seems promising, but I don't have DICOM files to test with: https://flathub.org/apps/details/br.gov.cti.invesalius I hope this helps! -Josh On Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 11:05 Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Thanks! I'm at work now, stuck on a Windows machine, but I googled "linux > dicom viewer" and got some interesting results that I'll have to try > later. I also brought the disc into work with me and tried the bundled > Windows viewer. It offers the option to export the encrypted images, but > exports them with no file extension, and I don't know what kind of files > they are. GIMP opens them and display something, but I don't think it's > displaying them correctly. > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 11:11 PM Jon "maddog" Hall < > jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> https://www.google.com/search?q=viewing+MRI+images+on+cd+using+linux&oq=vie… >> >> includes several articles about either Open or Free Software that runs on >> Linux and allows you to view these files. >> >> I had a massive heart attack three years ago, and I think it was >> "aeskulap" software that I used to view what was left of my beating heart. >> >> Also, by opening up the software manager app on Mint and searching for >> "MRI" I found several tools already packaged up. Ubuntu and Fedora also >> seem to have the same types of software. >> >> md >> >> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 10:43 PM Richard Klein via WLUG < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >>> I picked up a copy of some x-rays and MRIs. They're on a CD, encrypted, >>> with Windows viewer software. Has anyone figured out how to view these in >>> Linux? I have the password to decrypt, I just don't know what software to >>> use (without resorting to Windows). >>> >>> I think it may actually be a DICOM file format. >>> >>> Here's a link to the viewer software: >>> https://sorna.com/solutions/reviewer/ >>> >>> -- >>> Rich >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Dec. 19, 2019

Re: December WLUG Meeting! Topic: Fedora Silverblue, toolbox and Flatpaks!

by Tim Keller

Josh, No worries. We're a quality of content over slick presentation every day of the week. I'm sure it'll all turn out fine. Later, Tim. On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 8:21 PM Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey all, > > I'm glad to be a part of this! I'd just like to give a fair warning that > my material is probably going to be rough around the edges since I haven't > had much time to prepare a slideshow. Honestly I'm thinking that I'll > probably > alternate between a slideshow and just showing you some examples on my > laptop. > > -Josh > > On Mon, 2019-12-16 at 09:21 -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > Hey Everybody, > > We've got a meeting this Thursday on December 19th 2019! > > Location: WPI Campus Center Mid-Century room (our usual haunt) > Date & Time: December 19th, 2019 > > Our speaker this month is Joshua Stone. He's going to giving a talk about > a couple of cool technologies in Fedora! Josh provided me some details > about these innovations so I've mashed them up and included them below. > > Silverblue: https://fedoramagazine.org/what-is-silverblue/ > Toolbox: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/toolbox/ > Flatpaks: https://flatpak.org/ > > *Silverblue* s a Fedora variant designed around immutability where a new > system image is committed as the new /sysroot without affecting the state > of the running system. This is reminiscent of Android A/B updates, although > the update backend -- ostree -- has elements of a version control system > like git. > > *Toolbox* is also interesting as it lets you switch into an unprivileged > development environment that can be built up and torn down without > affecting the host as tools are installed inside a container. > > *Flatpak* uses the same file storage backend as Silverblue to manage apps > and shared > runtimes. This app distribution technology allows you to decouple apps and > operating systems as everything is built and run inside a sandbox, making > upgrades easier. Compare needing only one version of an app to package as a > flatpak, versus packaging for different versions. > > As usual, snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll > head off for dinner to continue the conversation. > > Thanks, > Tim Keller > WLUG President > > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- > > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 19, 2019

Re: Encrypted Sorna Reviewer CD files

by Richard Klein

Thanks! I'm at work now, stuck on a Windows machine, but I googled "linux dicom viewer" and got some interesting results that I'll have to try later. I also brought the disc into work with me and tried the bundled Windows viewer. It offers the option to export the encrypted images, but exports them with no file extension, and I don't know what kind of files they are. GIMP opens them and display something, but I don't think it's displaying them correctly. On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 11:11 PM Jon "maddog" Hall < jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > https://www.google.com/search?q=viewing+MRI+images+on+cd+using+linux&oq=vie… > > includes several articles about either Open or Free Software that runs on > Linux and allows you to view these files. > > I had a massive heart attack three years ago, and I think it was > "aeskulap" software that I used to view what was left of my beating heart. > > Also, by opening up the software manager app on Mint and searching for > "MRI" I found several tools already packaged up. Ubuntu and Fedora also > seem to have the same types of software. > > md > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 10:43 PM Richard Klein via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> I picked up a copy of some x-rays and MRIs. They're on a CD, encrypted, >> with Windows viewer software. Has anyone figured out how to view these in >> Linux? I have the password to decrypt, I just don't know what software to >> use (without resorting to Windows). >> >> I think it may actually be a DICOM file format. >> >> Here's a link to the viewer software: >> https://sorna.com/solutions/reviewer/ >> >> -- >> Rich >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> >

Dec. 19, 2019

Re: Encrypted Sorna Reviewer CD files

by Jon "maddog" Hall

https://www.google.com/search?q=viewing+MRI+images+on+cd+using+linux&oq=vie… includes several articles about either Open or Free Software that runs on Linux and allows you to view these files. I had a massive heart attack three years ago, and I think it was "aeskulap" software that I used to view what was left of my beating heart. Also, by opening up the software manager app on Mint and searching for "MRI" I found several tools already packaged up. Ubuntu and Fedora also seem to have the same types of software. md On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 10:43 PM Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I picked up a copy of some x-rays and MRIs. They're on a CD, encrypted, > with Windows viewer software. Has anyone figured out how to view these in > Linux? I have the password to decrypt, I just don't know what software to > use (without resorting to Windows). > > I think it may actually be a DICOM file format. > > Here's a link to the viewer software: > https://sorna.com/solutions/reviewer/ > > -- > Rich > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Dec. 19, 2019

Encrypted Sorna Reviewer CD files

by Richard Klein

I picked up a copy of some x-rays and MRIs. They're on a CD, encrypted, with Windows viewer software. Has anyone figured out how to view these in Linux? I have the password to decrypt, I just don't know what software to use (without resorting to Windows). I think it may actually be a DICOM file format. Here's a link to the viewer software: https://sorna.com/solutions/reviewer/ -- Rich

Dec. 19, 2019

Re: December WLUG Meeting! Topic: Fedora Silverblue, toolbox and Flatpaks!

by Joshua Stone

Hey all, I'm glad to be a part of this! I'd just like to give a fair warning that my material is probably going to be rough around the edges since I haven't had much time to prepare a slideshow. Honestly I'm thinking that I'll probablyalternate between a slideshow and just showing you some examples on my laptop. -Josh On Mon, 2019-12-16 at 09:21 -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Everybody, > We've got a meeting this Thursday on December 19th 2019! > > Location: WPI Campus Center Mid-Century room (our usual haunt) > Date & Time: December 19th, 2019 > > Our speaker this month is Joshua Stone. He's going to giving a talk > about a couple of cool technologies in Fedora! Josh provided me some > details about these innovations so I've mashed them up and included > them below. > > Silverblue: https://fedoramagazine.org/what-is-silverblue/Toolbox: ht > tps://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora- > silverblue/toolbox/Flatpaks: https://flatpak.org/ > > Silverblue s a Fedora variant designed around immutability where a > new system image is committed as the new /sysroot without affecting > the state of the running system. This is reminiscent of Android A/B > updates, although the update backend -- ostree -- has elements of a > version control system like git. > > Toolbox is also interesting as it lets you switch into an > unprivileged development environment that can be built up and torn > down without affecting the host as tools are installed inside a > container. > > Flatpak uses the same file storage backend as Silverblue to manage > apps and shared > runtimes. This app distribution technology allows you to decouple > apps and operating systems as everything is built and run inside a > sandbox, making upgrades easier. Compare needing only one version of > an app to package as a flatpak, versus packaging for different > versions. > > As usual, snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards > we'll head off for dinner to continue the conversation. > > Thanks, > Tim Keller > WLUG President > > > _______________________________________________WLUG mailing list -- > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Dec. 19, 2019

Re: December WLUG Meeting! Topic: Fedora Silverblue, toolbox and Flatpaks!

by Joel

I also cannot make it this Thursday due to a conflict. See you all next month, Joel On December 16, 2019 7:56:48 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Dangit, I can't make the meeting this month, I've got a conflict I > can't get out of that night. Will there be any slides or anything > from the meeting? > > John > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Dec. 17, 2019

Marvellous Inc.

by Dennis Payne

I stumbled on an open source programming game. It is called Marvellous Inc. It is available on Steam and itch.io for $5. I downloaded the github source to try it. I had to make some modifications to get it running on love 11.2. You can download it from: https://github.com/dulsi/MarvInc To run it, install love. Grab the git repository. Go to the MarvInc/marv directory and run 'love .' I've written up an Open Game Source article about my playing around with the program. http://identicalsoftware.com/games/marvellousinc -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://social.freegamedev.net/channel/dulsi

Dec. 17, 2019

Re: December WLUG Meeting! Topic: Fedora Silverblue, toolbox and Flatpaks!

by John Stoffel

Dangit, I can't make the meeting this month, I've got a conflict I can't get out of that night. Will there be any slides or anything from the meeting? John

Dec. 17, 2019

December WLUG Meeting! Topic: Fedora Silverblue, toolbox and Flatpaks!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting this Thursday on December 19th 2019! Location: WPI Campus Center Mid-Century room (our usual haunt) Date & Time: December 19th, 2019 Our speaker this month is Joshua Stone. He's going to giving a talk about a couple of cool technologies in Fedora! Josh provided me some details about these innovations so I've mashed them up and included them below. Silverblue: https://fedoramagazine.org/what-is-silverblue/ Toolbox: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/toolbox/ Flatpaks: https://flatpak.org/ *Silverblue* s a Fedora variant designed around immutability where a new system image is committed as the new /sysroot without affecting the state of the running system. This is reminiscent of Android A/B updates, although the update backend -- ostree -- has elements of a version control system like git. *Toolbox* is also interesting as it lets you switch into an unprivileged development environment that can be built up and torn down without affecting the host as tools are installed inside a container. *Flatpak* uses the same file storage backend as Silverblue to manage apps and shared runtimes. This app distribution technology allows you to decouple apps and operating systems as everything is built and run inside a sandbox, making upgrades easier. Compare needing only one version of an app to package as a flatpak, versus packaging for different versions. As usual, snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for dinner to continue the conversation. Thanks, Tim Keller WLUG President -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 16, 2019

Re: Date for next meeting

by Tim Keller

Joshua, The meeting is going to be December 19th this month. Details forthcoming. Thanks, Tim. On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 10:07 PM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > Have we decided on a day for the next club meeting? I'm interested in > demonstrating some new material for it, if not for January. > > -Josh > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 9, 2019

Date for next meeting

by Joshua Stone

Hey everyone, Have we decided on a day for the next club meeting? I'm interested in demonstrating some new material for it, if not for January. -Josh

Dec. 8, 2019

Re: Plex media drive mount point

by Richard Klein

I updated my fstab and rebooted, and I think it's working as it should (it's still scanning the libraries). I lost the metadata that keeps track of what I've watched, but that's not a big deal. Updated fstab attached for comparison. On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 8:12 PM Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > I think I just need sit down and edit /etc/fstab, but I'm procrastinating. > > On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 5:21 PM Bill Minckler <bill(a)minckler.org> wrote: > >> ok, so no snap. a quick internet search of "/run/media/<user>" seems to >> point to a new automount location maybe. my ubuntu machine doesn't do this >> yet. That would probably happen when you log in, so if you want plex to >> run without you logging in, you would need to manually add it to fstab and >> put it somewhere else. >> >> On the permissions issue, it is possible that the user id of the plex >> user changed so it no longer has access (depends on who owned the directory >> structure in the last environment) Once you get the new location for the >> media drive, I would just chown or chmod everything that you want plex to >> have access to (but that's just me). Once you have it mounted, you could >> check the owner, group and permissions of a directory (not where the drive >> is mounted, use some subdirectory) with "ls -l", and we can look at those. >> >> Sorry if I intruded on anyone, I've been following the list, but the plex >> question struck a chord with me, I had this problem with a snap install >> before (and not realizing I was using a snap). >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 1:09 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>> >>> > I bet mailman strips attachments. >>> >>> Pay up, unless there was another one. >>> >>> -- Keith >>> >>> > [2:text/plain Show Save:psoutput.txt (714B)] >>> >>> richspk 5030 24450 0 10:49 pts/0 00:00:00 grep --colour=auto -i >>> plex >>> plex 17486 1 0 Nov30 ? 00:00:15 >>> /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Plex Media Server >>> plex 17541 17486 0 Nov30 ? 00:00:02 >>> /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Plex Tuner Service >>> /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Resources/Tuner/Private >>> /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Resources/Tuner/Shared 1.18.2.2058-e67a4e892 32600 >>> /waitmutex >>> plex 18000 17486 0 Nov30 ? 00:00:18 Plex Plug-in >>> [com.plexapp.system] >>> /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Resources/Plug-ins-e67a4e892/Framework.bundle/Contents/Resources/Versions/2/Python/bootstrap.py >>> --server-version 1.18.2.2058-e67a4e892 >>> /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Resources/Plug-ins-e67a4e892/System.bundle >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> >>

Dec. 2, 2019

Re: Plex media drive mount point

by Richard Klein

I think I just need sit down and edit /etc/fstab, but I'm procrastinating. On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 5:21 PM Bill Minckler <bill(a)minckler.org> wrote: > ok, so no snap. a quick internet search of "/run/media/<user>" seems to > point to a new automount location maybe. my ubuntu machine doesn't do this > yet. That would probably happen when you log in, so if you want plex to > run without you logging in, you would need to manually add it to fstab and > put it somewhere else. > > On the permissions issue, it is possible that the user id of the plex user > changed so it no longer has access (depends on who owned the directory > structure in the last environment) Once you get the new location for the > media drive, I would just chown or chmod everything that you want plex to > have access to (but that's just me). Once you have it mounted, you could > check the owner, group and permissions of a directory (not where the drive > is mounted, use some subdirectory) with "ls -l", and we can look at those. > > Sorry if I intruded on anyone, I've been following the list, but the plex > question struck a chord with me, I had this problem with a snap install > before (and not realizing I was using a snap). > > > On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 1:09 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >> > I bet mailman strips attachments. >> >> Pay up, unless there was another one. >> >> -- Keith >> >> > [2:text/plain Show Save:psoutput.txt (714B)] >> >> richspk 5030 24450 0 10:49 pts/0 00:00:00 grep --colour=auto -i plex >> plex 17486 1 0 Nov30 ? 00:00:15 >> /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Plex Media Server >> plex 17541 17486 0 Nov30 ? 00:00:02 >> /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Plex Tuner Service >> /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Resources/Tuner/Private >> /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Resources/Tuner/Shared 1.18.2.2058-e67a4e892 32600 >> /waitmutex >> plex 18000 17486 0 Nov30 ? 00:00:18 Plex Plug-in >> [com.plexapp.system] >> /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Resources/Plug-ins-e67a4e892/Framework.bundle/Contents/Resources/Versions/2/Python/bootstrap.py >> --server-version 1.18.2.2058-e67a4e892 >> /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Resources/Plug-ins-e67a4e892/System.bundle >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> >

Dec. 2, 2019

Re: Plex media drive mount point

by Bill Minckler

ok, so no snap. a quick internet search of "/run/media/<user>" seems to point to a new automount location maybe. my ubuntu machine doesn't do this yet. That would probably happen when you log in, so if you want plex to run without you logging in, you would need to manually add it to fstab and put it somewhere else. On the permissions issue, it is possible that the user id of the plex user changed so it no longer has access (depends on who owned the directory structure in the last environment) Once you get the new location for the media drive, I would just chown or chmod everything that you want plex to have access to (but that's just me). Once you have it mounted, you could check the owner, group and permissions of a directory (not where the drive is mounted, use some subdirectory) with "ls -l", and we can look at those. Sorry if I intruded on anyone, I've been following the list, but the plex question struck a chord with me, I had this problem with a snap install before (and not realizing I was using a snap). On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 1:09 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > I bet mailman strips attachments. > > Pay up, unless there was another one. > > -- Keith > > > [2:text/plain Show Save:psoutput.txt (714B)] > > richspk 5030 24450 0 10:49 pts/0 00:00:00 grep --colour=auto -i plex > plex 17486 1 0 Nov30 ? 00:00:15 > /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Plex Media Server > plex 17541 17486 0 Nov30 ? 00:00:02 > /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Plex Tuner Service > /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Resources/Tuner/Private > /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Resources/Tuner/Shared 1.18.2.2058-e67a4e892 32600 > /waitmutex > plex 18000 17486 0 Nov30 ? 00:00:18 Plex Plug-in > [com.plexapp.system] > /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Resources/Plug-ins-e67a4e892/Framework.bundle/Contents/Resources/Versions/2/Python/bootstrap.py > --server-version 1.18.2.2058-e67a4e892 > /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Resources/Plug-ins-e67a4e892/System.bundle > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Dec. 1, 2019

Re: Plex media drive mount point

by Keith Wright

Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I bet mailman strips attachments. Pay up, unless there was another one. -- Keith > [2:text/plain Show Save:psoutput.txt (714B)] richspk 5030 24450 0 10:49 pts/0 00:00:00 grep --colour=auto -i plex plex 17486 1 0 Nov30 ? 00:00:15 /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Plex Media Server plex 17541 17486 0 Nov30 ? 00:00:02 /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Plex Tuner Service /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Resources/Tuner/Private /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Resources/Tuner/Shared 1.18.2.2058-e67a4e892 32600 /waitmutex plex 18000 17486 0 Nov30 ? 00:00:18 Plex Plug-in [com.plexapp.system] /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Resources/Plug-ins-e67a4e892/Framework.bundle/Contents/Resources/Versions/2/Python/bootstrap.py --server-version 1.18.2.2058-e67a4e892 /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Resources/Plug-ins-e67a4e892/System.bundle

Dec. 1, 2019

Re: Plex media drive mount point

by Richard Klein

I installed Plex from AUR (I think that stands for Arch User Repository). This is the first time I've used an Arch-based distro. The ps output is attached, anyway. I bet mailman strips attachments. On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:17 AM Bill Minckler via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > If Plex is installed as a snap, it can only see things in “/media”. I > don’t know the district you are using so I don’t know how to check the > package that is installed. Try “ps -ef | grep -i plex” (sorry if that > command is odd or has odd flags). If it shows plex has snap in the name is > an easy way to check. > > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 10:51 PM Richard Klein via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> I blew away my Linux Mint installation today and installed Manjaro. All >> my media for my Plex server was on a separate drive that was mounted at >> /Media. Now it's at /run/media/richspk/Media/, and Plex can't see anything >> below richspk. My /etc/fstab is much more spartan than I'd expected. sda >> is a Windows install, sdb is media, and sdc is the Manjaro install. Should >> I add /Media (sdb) to /etc/fstab, or should I mount it some other way? >> This is what /etc/fstab looks like right now: >> >> # /etc/fstab: static file system information. >> # >> # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a device; >> this may >> # be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices that works even >> if >> # disks are added and removed. See fstab(5). >> # >> # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> >> <pass> >> UUID=26dedffb-3099-4a86-b565-c2e8adec81b2 / ext4 >> defaults,noatime,discard 0 1 >> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs >> defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0 >> >> And current block devices: >> NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT UUID >> loop0 7:0 0 89.1M 1 loop /var/lib/snapd/snap/core/8039 >> sda 8:0 0 465.8G 0 disk >> ├─sda1 8:1 0 500M 0 part >> B6AAD05DAAD01BA5 >> ├─sda2 8:2 0 464.5G 0 part >> E002D31A02D2F50E >> └─sda3 8:3 0 846M 0 part >> 9294B21894B1FF33 >> sdb 8:16 0 2.7T 0 disk /run/media/richspk/Media >> 946b363e-ec7e-49d1-a5f2-f06caf8e4e21 >> sdc 8:32 0 931.5G 0 disk >> └─sdc1 8:33 0 931.5G 0 part / >> 26dedffb-3099-4a86-b565-c2e8adec81b2 >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Dec. 1, 2019

Re: Plex media drive mount point

by Bill Minckler

If Plex is installed as a snap, it can only see things in “/media”. I don’t know the district you are using so I don’t know how to check the package that is installed. Try “ps -ef | grep -i plex” (sorry if that command is odd or has odd flags). If it shows plex has snap in the name is an easy way to check. On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 10:51 PM Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I blew away my Linux Mint installation today and installed Manjaro. All > my media for my Plex server was on a separate drive that was mounted at > /Media. Now it's at /run/media/richspk/Media/, and Plex can't see anything > below richspk. My /etc/fstab is much more spartan than I'd expected. sda > is a Windows install, sdb is media, and sdc is the Manjaro install. Should > I add /Media (sdb) to /etc/fstab, or should I mount it some other way? > This is what /etc/fstab looks like right now: > > # /etc/fstab: static file system information. > # > # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a device; > this may > # be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices that works even > if > # disks are added and removed. See fstab(5). > # > # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> > <pass> > UUID=26dedffb-3099-4a86-b565-c2e8adec81b2 / ext4 > defaults,noatime,discard 0 1 > tmpfs /tmp tmpfs > defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0 > > And current block devices: > NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT UUID > loop0 7:0 0 89.1M 1 loop /var/lib/snapd/snap/core/8039 > sda 8:0 0 465.8G 0 disk > ├─sda1 8:1 0 500M 0 part > B6AAD05DAAD01BA5 > ├─sda2 8:2 0 464.5G 0 part > E002D31A02D2F50E > └─sda3 8:3 0 846M 0 part > 9294B21894B1FF33 > sdb 8:16 0 2.7T 0 disk /run/media/richspk/Media > 946b363e-ec7e-49d1-a5f2-f06caf8e4e21 > sdc 8:32 0 931.5G 0 disk > └─sdc1 8:33 0 931.5G 0 part / > 26dedffb-3099-4a86-b565-c2e8adec81b2 > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Dec. 1, 2019

Re: Plex media drive mount point

by Richard Klein

I think I'll worry about it tomorrow. On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 11:31 PM Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > My guess is that it's sdb instead of sdb1 simply because there's only a > single partition on the drive, but that's just a guess. Using the UUID > seems safer, in any case. > > You're right, it's not in my home directory, per se, but it seems to > effectively be another home directory; I'm the owner, and plex doesn't have > the permissions it needs. I *can* rename, move, delete, and otherwise > manipulate the files in there, but plex can't see them. > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 11:24 PM Andrew Oprea via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Ok, I'm with you that Plex can't read the directory structure, but I >> don't think that drive is mounted in your home directory. >> Your home directory is /home/richspk right? >> The machine is mounting that drive at /run/media/richspk/Media >> I'm guessing that mount point is owned by your user, rather than root, >> or a group that Plex is part of. >> If you'd like to try mounting it back to /Media you'll need to make >> that directory with: >> # cd / >> # mkdir Media >> and then add a line to fstab to mount the device there: (here's my >> shot at it, no promises i get it right right first try) >> sdb /Media auto defaults >> >> This line makes me vaguely uncomfortable because I'm expecting the >> partition 'sdb1' rather than the drive 'sdb', but sdb is what it shows >> in your current devices. >> If it fails to mount, try: sdb1 /Media auto defaults >> or: UUID=946b363e-ec7e-49d1-a5f2-f06caf8e4e21 /Media auto >> defaults >> >> - Drew >> >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 11:09 PM Richard Klein via WLUG >> <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> > >> > It's a permissions issue; Plex doesn't have permission to read stuff in >> my home directory. Thus, I think I need to re-mount it outside of my home >> directory, but I'm not sure on the best way to do that. >> > >> > On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 11:05 PM Andrew Oprea via WLUG < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> I doubt that Plex has some limitation related to browsing 5 >> >> directories deep. I'm curious what file system you've used on that >> >> 2.7T drive. >> >> I know I've written things to ext3 and ext4 drives, reinstalled a >> >> linux distro with my usual usernames (but randomly generated UID!) and >> >> been unable to browse my reused storage media. This isn't a issue with >> >> a VFAT drive, because those files don't have an owner. >> >> See if your user account can browse that directory structure? >> >> Maybe you will have to chown all the folders and files on that drive. >> >> Does Plex run as its own UID, or does it use your usual user one? >> >> (This question implies Plex is a server running on this machine, is >> >> that the case, or are you using the Plex app on another device?) >> >> Maybe you will have to add the Plex user to a group that has access to >> >> that drive (or to hot mountable drives generally)? >> >> >> >> - Drew >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 10:51 PM Richard Klein via WLUG >> >> <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > I blew away my Linux Mint installation today and installed Manjaro. >> All my media for my Plex server was on a separate drive that was mounted at >> /Media. Now it's at /run/media/richspk/Media/, and Plex can't see anything >> below richspk. My /etc/fstab is much more spartan than I'd expected. sda >> is a Windows install, sdb is media, and sdc is the Manjaro install. Should >> I add /Media (sdb) to /etc/fstab, or should I mount it some other way? >> This is what /etc/fstab looks like right now: >> >> > >> >> > # /etc/fstab: static file system information. >> >> > # >> >> > # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a >> device; this may >> >> > # be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices that works >> even if >> >> > # disks are added and removed. See fstab(5). >> >> > # >> >> > # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> >> <dump> <pass> >> >> > UUID=26dedffb-3099-4a86-b565-c2e8adec81b2 / ext4 >> defaults,noatime,discard 0 1 >> >> > tmpfs /tmp tmpfs >> defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0 >> >> > >> >> > And current block devices: >> >> > NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT UUID >> >> > loop0 7:0 0 89.1M 1 loop /var/lib/snapd/snap/core/8039 >> >> > sda 8:0 0 465.8G 0 disk >> >> > ├─sda1 8:1 0 500M 0 part >> B6AAD05DAAD01BA5 >> >> > ├─sda2 8:2 0 464.5G 0 part >> E002D31A02D2F50E >> >> > └─sda3 8:3 0 846M 0 part >> 9294B21894B1FF33 >> >> > sdb 8:16 0 2.7T 0 disk /run/media/richspk/Media >> 946b363e-ec7e-49d1-a5f2-f06caf8e4e21 >> >> > sdc 8:32 0 931.5G 0 disk >> >> > └─sdc1 8:33 0 931.5G 0 part / >> 26dedffb-3099-4a86-b565-c2e8adec81b2 >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> >> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> >

Dec. 1, 2019

Re: Plex media drive mount point

by Richard Klein

My guess is that it's sdb instead of sdb1 simply because there's only a single partition on the drive, but that's just a guess. Using the UUID seems safer, in any case. You're right, it's not in my home directory, per se, but it seems to effectively be another home directory; I'm the owner, and plex doesn't have the permissions it needs. I *can* rename, move, delete, and otherwise manipulate the files in there, but plex can't see them. On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 11:24 PM Andrew Oprea via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Ok, I'm with you that Plex can't read the directory structure, but I > don't think that drive is mounted in your home directory. > Your home directory is /home/richspk right? > The machine is mounting that drive at /run/media/richspk/Media > I'm guessing that mount point is owned by your user, rather than root, > or a group that Plex is part of. > If you'd like to try mounting it back to /Media you'll need to make > that directory with: > # cd / > # mkdir Media > and then add a line to fstab to mount the device there: (here's my > shot at it, no promises i get it right right first try) > sdb /Media auto defaults > > This line makes me vaguely uncomfortable because I'm expecting the > partition 'sdb1' rather than the drive 'sdb', but sdb is what it shows > in your current devices. > If it fails to mount, try: sdb1 /Media auto defaults > or: UUID=946b363e-ec7e-49d1-a5f2-f06caf8e4e21 /Media auto > defaults > > - Drew > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 11:09 PM Richard Klein via WLUG > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > > It's a permissions issue; Plex doesn't have permission to read stuff in > my home directory. Thus, I think I need to re-mount it outside of my home > directory, but I'm not sure on the best way to do that. > > > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 11:05 PM Andrew Oprea via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> > >> I doubt that Plex has some limitation related to browsing 5 > >> directories deep. I'm curious what file system you've used on that > >> 2.7T drive. > >> I know I've written things to ext3 and ext4 drives, reinstalled a > >> linux distro with my usual usernames (but randomly generated UID!) and > >> been unable to browse my reused storage media. This isn't a issue with > >> a VFAT drive, because those files don't have an owner. > >> See if your user account can browse that directory structure? > >> Maybe you will have to chown all the folders and files on that drive. > >> Does Plex run as its own UID, or does it use your usual user one? > >> (This question implies Plex is a server running on this machine, is > >> that the case, or are you using the Plex app on another device?) > >> Maybe you will have to add the Plex user to a group that has access to > >> that drive (or to hot mountable drives generally)? > >> > >> - Drew > >> > >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 10:51 PM Richard Klein via WLUG > >> <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> > > >> > I blew away my Linux Mint installation today and installed Manjaro. > All my media for my Plex server was on a separate drive that was mounted at > /Media. Now it's at /run/media/richspk/Media/, and Plex can't see anything > below richspk. My /etc/fstab is much more spartan than I'd expected. sda > is a Windows install, sdb is media, and sdc is the Manjaro install. Should > I add /Media (sdb) to /etc/fstab, or should I mount it some other way? > This is what /etc/fstab looks like right now: > >> > > >> > # /etc/fstab: static file system information. > >> > # > >> > # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a > device; this may > >> > # be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices that works > even if > >> > # disks are added and removed. See fstab(5). > >> > # > >> > # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> > <pass> > >> > UUID=26dedffb-3099-4a86-b565-c2e8adec81b2 / ext4 > defaults,noatime,discard 0 1 > >> > tmpfs /tmp tmpfs > defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0 > >> > > >> > And current block devices: > >> > NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT UUID > >> > loop0 7:0 0 89.1M 1 loop /var/lib/snapd/snap/core/8039 > >> > sda 8:0 0 465.8G 0 disk > >> > ├─sda1 8:1 0 500M 0 part > B6AAD05DAAD01BA5 > >> > ├─sda2 8:2 0 464.5G 0 part > E002D31A02D2F50E > >> > └─sda3 8:3 0 846M 0 part > 9294B21894B1FF33 > >> > sdb 8:16 0 2.7T 0 disk /run/media/richspk/Media > 946b363e-ec7e-49d1-a5f2-f06caf8e4e21 > >> > sdc 8:32 0 931.5G 0 disk > >> > └─sdc1 8:33 0 931.5G 0 part / > 26dedffb-3099-4a86-b565-c2e8adec81b2 > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >> _______________________________________________ > >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Dec. 1, 2019

Re: Plex media drive mount point

by Andrew Oprea

Ok, I'm with you that Plex can't read the directory structure, but I don't think that drive is mounted in your home directory. Your home directory is /home/richspk right? The machine is mounting that drive at /run/media/richspk/Media I'm guessing that mount point is owned by your user, rather than root, or a group that Plex is part of. If you'd like to try mounting it back to /Media you'll need to make that directory with: # cd / # mkdir Media and then add a line to fstab to mount the device there: (here's my shot at it, no promises i get it right right first try) sdb /Media auto defaults This line makes me vaguely uncomfortable because I'm expecting the partition 'sdb1' rather than the drive 'sdb', but sdb is what it shows in your current devices. If it fails to mount, try: sdb1 /Media auto defaults or: UUID=946b363e-ec7e-49d1-a5f2-f06caf8e4e21 /Media auto defaults - Drew On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 11:09 PM Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > It's a permissions issue; Plex doesn't have permission to read stuff in my home directory. Thus, I think I need to re-mount it outside of my home directory, but I'm not sure on the best way to do that. > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 11:05 PM Andrew Oprea via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> I doubt that Plex has some limitation related to browsing 5 >> directories deep. I'm curious what file system you've used on that >> 2.7T drive. >> I know I've written things to ext3 and ext4 drives, reinstalled a >> linux distro with my usual usernames (but randomly generated UID!) and >> been unable to browse my reused storage media. This isn't a issue with >> a VFAT drive, because those files don't have an owner. >> See if your user account can browse that directory structure? >> Maybe you will have to chown all the folders and files on that drive. >> Does Plex run as its own UID, or does it use your usual user one? >> (This question implies Plex is a server running on this machine, is >> that the case, or are you using the Plex app on another device?) >> Maybe you will have to add the Plex user to a group that has access to >> that drive (or to hot mountable drives generally)? >> >> - Drew >> >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 10:51 PM Richard Klein via WLUG >> <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> > >> > I blew away my Linux Mint installation today and installed Manjaro. All my media for my Plex server was on a separate drive that was mounted at /Media. Now it's at /run/media/richspk/Media/, and Plex can't see anything below richspk. My /etc/fstab is much more spartan than I'd expected. sda is a Windows install, sdb is media, and sdc is the Manjaro install. Should I add /Media (sdb) to /etc/fstab, or should I mount it some other way? This is what /etc/fstab looks like right now: >> > >> > # /etc/fstab: static file system information. >> > # >> > # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a device; this may >> > # be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices that works even if >> > # disks are added and removed. See fstab(5). >> > # >> > # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> >> > UUID=26dedffb-3099-4a86-b565-c2e8adec81b2 / ext4 defaults,noatime,discard 0 1 >> > tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0 >> > >> > And current block devices: >> > NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT UUID >> > loop0 7:0 0 89.1M 1 loop /var/lib/snapd/snap/core/8039 >> > sda 8:0 0 465.8G 0 disk >> > ├─sda1 8:1 0 500M 0 part B6AAD05DAAD01BA5 >> > ├─sda2 8:2 0 464.5G 0 part E002D31A02D2F50E >> > └─sda3 8:3 0 846M 0 part 9294B21894B1FF33 >> > sdb 8:16 0 2.7T 0 disk /run/media/richspk/Media 946b363e-ec7e-49d1-a5f2-f06caf8e4e21 >> > sdc 8:32 0 931.5G 0 disk >> > └─sdc1 8:33 0 931.5G 0 part / 26dedffb-3099-4a86-b565-c2e8adec81b2 >> > _______________________________________________ >> > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Dec. 1, 2019

Re: Plex media drive mount point

by Richard Klein

It's a permissions issue; Plex doesn't have permission to read stuff in my home directory. Thus, I think I need to re-mount it outside of my home directory, but I'm not sure on the best way to do that. On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 11:05 PM Andrew Oprea via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I doubt that Plex has some limitation related to browsing 5 > directories deep. I'm curious what file system you've used on that > 2.7T drive. > I know I've written things to ext3 and ext4 drives, reinstalled a > linux distro with my usual usernames (but randomly generated UID!) and > been unable to browse my reused storage media. This isn't a issue with > a VFAT drive, because those files don't have an owner. > See if your user account can browse that directory structure? > Maybe you will have to chown all the folders and files on that drive. > Does Plex run as its own UID, or does it use your usual user one? > (This question implies Plex is a server running on this machine, is > that the case, or are you using the Plex app on another device?) > Maybe you will have to add the Plex user to a group that has access to > that drive (or to hot mountable drives generally)? > > - Drew > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 10:51 PM Richard Klein via WLUG > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > > I blew away my Linux Mint installation today and installed Manjaro. All > my media for my Plex server was on a separate drive that was mounted at > /Media. Now it's at /run/media/richspk/Media/, and Plex can't see anything > below richspk. My /etc/fstab is much more spartan than I'd expected. sda > is a Windows install, sdb is media, and sdc is the Manjaro install. Should > I add /Media (sdb) to /etc/fstab, or should I mount it some other way? > This is what /etc/fstab looks like right now: > > > > # /etc/fstab: static file system information. > > # > > # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a device; > this may > > # be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices that works > even if > > # disks are added and removed. See fstab(5). > > # > > # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> > <pass> > > UUID=26dedffb-3099-4a86-b565-c2e8adec81b2 / ext4 > defaults,noatime,discard 0 1 > > tmpfs /tmp tmpfs > defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0 > > > > And current block devices: > > NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT UUID > > loop0 7:0 0 89.1M 1 loop /var/lib/snapd/snap/core/8039 > > sda 8:0 0 465.8G 0 disk > > ├─sda1 8:1 0 500M 0 part > B6AAD05DAAD01BA5 > > ├─sda2 8:2 0 464.5G 0 part > E002D31A02D2F50E > > └─sda3 8:3 0 846M 0 part > 9294B21894B1FF33 > > sdb 8:16 0 2.7T 0 disk /run/media/richspk/Media > 946b363e-ec7e-49d1-a5f2-f06caf8e4e21 > > sdc 8:32 0 931.5G 0 disk > > └─sdc1 8:33 0 931.5G 0 part / > 26dedffb-3099-4a86-b565-c2e8adec81b2 > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Dec. 1, 2019

Re: Plex media drive mount point

by Andrew Oprea

I doubt that Plex has some limitation related to browsing 5 directories deep. I'm curious what file system you've used on that 2.7T drive. I know I've written things to ext3 and ext4 drives, reinstalled a linux distro with my usual usernames (but randomly generated UID!) and been unable to browse my reused storage media. This isn't a issue with a VFAT drive, because those files don't have an owner. See if your user account can browse that directory structure? Maybe you will have to chown all the folders and files on that drive. Does Plex run as its own UID, or does it use your usual user one? (This question implies Plex is a server running on this machine, is that the case, or are you using the Plex app on another device?) Maybe you will have to add the Plex user to a group that has access to that drive (or to hot mountable drives generally)? - Drew On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 10:51 PM Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > I blew away my Linux Mint installation today and installed Manjaro. All my media for my Plex server was on a separate drive that was mounted at /Media. Now it's at /run/media/richspk/Media/, and Plex can't see anything below richspk. My /etc/fstab is much more spartan than I'd expected. sda is a Windows install, sdb is media, and sdc is the Manjaro install. Should I add /Media (sdb) to /etc/fstab, or should I mount it some other way? This is what /etc/fstab looks like right now: > > # /etc/fstab: static file system information. > # > # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a device; this may > # be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices that works even if > # disks are added and removed. See fstab(5). > # > # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> > UUID=26dedffb-3099-4a86-b565-c2e8adec81b2 / ext4 defaults,noatime,discard 0 1 > tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0 > > And current block devices: > NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT UUID > loop0 7:0 0 89.1M 1 loop /var/lib/snapd/snap/core/8039 > sda 8:0 0 465.8G 0 disk > ├─sda1 8:1 0 500M 0 part B6AAD05DAAD01BA5 > ├─sda2 8:2 0 464.5G 0 part E002D31A02D2F50E > └─sda3 8:3 0 846M 0 part 9294B21894B1FF33 > sdb 8:16 0 2.7T 0 disk /run/media/richspk/Media 946b363e-ec7e-49d1-a5f2-f06caf8e4e21 > sdc 8:32 0 931.5G 0 disk > └─sdc1 8:33 0 931.5G 0 part / 26dedffb-3099-4a86-b565-c2e8adec81b2 > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Dec. 1, 2019

Plex media drive mount point

by Richard Klein

I blew away my Linux Mint installation today and installed Manjaro. All my media for my Plex server was on a separate drive that was mounted at /Media. Now it's at /run/media/richspk/Media/, and Plex can't see anything below richspk. My /etc/fstab is much more spartan than I'd expected. sda is a Windows install, sdb is media, and sdc is the Manjaro install. Should I add /Media (sdb) to /etc/fstab, or should I mount it some other way? This is what /etc/fstab looks like right now: # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a device; this may # be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices that works even if # disks are added and removed. See fstab(5). # # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> UUID=26dedffb-3099-4a86-b565-c2e8adec81b2 / ext4 defaults,noatime,discard 0 1 tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0 And current block devices: NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT UUID loop0 7:0 0 89.1M 1 loop /var/lib/snapd/snap/core/8039 sda 8:0 0 465.8G 0 disk ├─sda1 8:1 0 500M 0 part B6AAD05DAAD01BA5 ├─sda2 8:2 0 464.5G 0 part E002D31A02D2F50E └─sda3 8:3 0 846M 0 part 9294B21894B1FF33 sdb 8:16 0 2.7T 0 disk /run/media/richspk/Media 946b363e-ec7e-49d1-a5f2-f06caf8e4e21 sdc 8:32 0 931.5G 0 disk └─sdc1 8:33 0 931.5G 0 part / 26dedffb-3099-4a86-b565-c2e8adec81b2

Dec. 1, 2019

Re: [EXT] Call for help with network hardware setup

by Anderson, Charles R

On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 03:04:21PM -0500, Keith Wright wrote: > In production they are _very_ different subnets. > The LAN is 192.168.1.* while the internet address is > 66.92.74.188/24. I am just trying to test it all > with both cables going to things that I control. > > > If you want them to be in the same subnet (why?) > > As I said, just for testing. Would it help to test > with address 192.168.2.1/24 (note 2 in second to low order byte). > I've never tried to use such an address, and I am not > sure how to configure the other machines to use it > without trying to route through gateway to the internet. Yes. If you want to test with a test router and test network, then you need to set up a test network and plug a test system into it. If you have this now: realsystem---[REAL-LAN switch]---[REAL-LAN-interface realrouter REAL-WAN-interface]---Internet REAL-LAN-interface is presumably 192.168.1.1/24. REAL-WAN-interface is whatever your ISP gave you. Then this could be your test network: testsystem---[TEST-LAN switch]---[TEST-LAN-interface testrouter TEST-WAN-interface]---[REAL-LAN-Switch] TEST-LAN switch could just be a (crossover) ethernet cable if you don't want more than one test system or don't have another switch. testrouter is your new Debian system. testsystem == 192.168.2.10/24, default gateway == 192.168.2.1 TEST-LAN-interface == 192.168.2.1/24 TEST-WAN-interface == 192.168.1.xxx/24 (a free IP on your real network), default gateway 192.168.1.1

Nov. 22, 2019

Re: [EXT] Call for help with network hardware setup

by Keith Wright

"Anderson, Charles R via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> Have I found a bug? Done something stupid? > > You have two NICs configured in the same subnet. If you intend to > make two subnets for the Green and Red NICs, make sure the subnet > addresses doesn't overlap. In production they are _very_ different subnets. The LAN is 192.168.1.* while the internet address is 66.92.74.188/24. I am just trying to test it all with both cables going to things that I control. > If you want them to be in the same subnet (why?) As I said, just for testing. Would it help to test with address 192.168.2.1/24 (note 2 in second to low order byte). I've never tried to use such an address, and I am not sure how to configure the other machines to use it without trying to route through gateway to the internet. >then the behavior you see is normal for Weak Host Model systems: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_model Thank you for that link. I added it to the web page and will continue to update as I learn more. > You can reconfigure your system for Strong Host Model and/or use > multiple routing tables and source rules to control which NIC is used > for which traffic: > > https://access.redhat.com/solutions/30564 Roger. Will read. -- Keith

Nov. 22, 2019

Re: [EXT] Call for help with network hardware setup

by Anderson, Charles R

On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 01:39:24PM -0500, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > I am using Debian and trying to set up a couple of > ethernet cards. I've seen strange behavior. > > Have I found a bug? Done something stupid? > > Rather than clog the WLUG list with details, > I have put my question on a web page, which > I will update as I learn more: > > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/ether.html You have two NICs configured in the same subnet. If you intend to make two subnets for the Green and Red NICs, make sure the subnet addresses doesn't overlap. If you want them to be in the same subnet (why?) then the behavior you see is normal for Weak Host Model systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_model You can reconfigure your system for Strong Host Model and/or use multiple routing tables and source rules to control which NIC is used for which traffic: https://access.redhat.com/solutions/30564

Nov. 22, 2019

Call for help with network hardware setup

by Keith Wright

I am using Debian and trying to set up a couple of ethernet cards. I've seen strange behavior. Have I found a bug? Done something stupid? Rather than clog the WLUG list with details, I have put my question on a web page, which I will update as I learn more: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/ether.html -- Keith

Nov. 22, 2019

Re: Ideas for the next WLUG meeting

by John Stoffel

Joshua> Thank you for your input! I was unfamiliar with duc's UI when Joshua> I first tried using it, but now I'm much more proficient with Joshua> it. If you have any comments or suggestions for the tool to make it better, we'd love to hear it. I've got some plans for this winter to update the code and do better testing, so maybe adding some flatpaks (or directions on how to make flatpaks) would be a great addition. Joshua> I'm more than happy to share my findings with you so that more Joshua> people can benefit from useful tools like this. Speaking of Joshua> which, I've also managed to create a proof-of-concept flatpak Joshua> of duc which you may find useful for learning the conventions Joshua> of this app deployment technology: Joshua> https://github.com/joshua-stone/nl.zevv.Duc Joshua> I hope you can make it to the next meeting! I'm going to try Joshua> to make it to the next meeting as well, but it'd have to be Joshua> well before Christmas because I'll be on vacation for a couple Joshua> weeks. I might make the December meeting, but the January and February ones are right out since I'm chaperoning ski club on thursdays. John

Nov. 20, 2019

Re: Ideas for the next WLUG meeting

by Joshua Stone

John, Thank you for your input! I was unfamiliar with duc's UI when I first tried using it, but now I'm much more proficient with it. I'm more than happy to share my findings with you so that more people can benefit from useful tools like this. Speaking of which, I've also managed to create a proof-of-concept flatpak of duc which you may find useful for learning the conventions of this app deployment technology: https://github.com/joshua-stone/nl.zevv.Duc I hope you can make it to the next meeting! I'm going to try to make it to the next meeting as well, but it'd have to be well before Christmas because I'll be on vacation for a couple weeks. -Josh On Mon, 2019-11-18 at 21:43 -0500, John Stoffel wrote: > Josh, This is a great start for a talk, I really like your example of > setting up duc, though you don't need to build the cache yourself > with > tcbmgr, duc should do that itself on startup. > > I may borrow your docs and testing things out and update the duc docs > as well, since I think what you've done here is really neat. > > Looking forward to trying to make the next meeting, though December > thru February will be tough for me due to other commitments. > > John >

Nov. 20, 2019

Re: Ideas for the next WLUG meeting

by Joshua Stone

Tim, I'm glad you feel that way about it! The /sysroot upgrading process is one of my favorite features about Silverblue, as you gain some of thebenefits of COW snapshots without relying on a particular filesystem(example: https://github.com/openSUSE/snapper) GRUB is also enhanced where instead of selectinga different kernel, you're booting into an entirely different /sysroot complete with kernel, libc, drivers,firmware, etc. all of which are tagged under one discrete OS version string. This design shouldmake bug fixing a lot easier as a user may only need to attach the OS version string when filing a bugreport, and a developer could boot up that particular version inside a VM. This update model should alsoeliminate variance between "not updated" and "fully updated" like we see with traditional packagemanagement where a package mirror might not have synced all of the latest packages. The rollback mechanism is also quite innovative, which Silverblue can get for free by designing updatesthat perform the equivalent of `git checkout ${BRANCH}`. I'm sure there will be much to discuss when we get to have a demo. -Josh On Mon, 2019-11-18 at 13:45 -0500, Tim Keller wrote: > Josh, > I think this would be an awesome talk. I'm particularly interested in > the /sysroot upgrading process. > I like the idea of having an immutable root that you can unwind > things if they go horribly wrong. > > I'm game for having this as our Dec. topic! > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 12:03 PM Joshua Stone via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > > > > > > > I'd just like to say I had a fun time at Thursday's meeting! I'm > > > > already looking forward to the next meeting as I'm sure there are > > > > plenty of interesting topics we could discuss. > > > > > > > > As mentioned before, I think we could examine technologies that'd > > be > > > > beneficial to Linux on the desktop, like comparing packaging > > > > technologies including Flatpak, Snap, and AppImage. > > > > > > > > I think we could also look into the future of containers on the > > desktop > > > > as a whole with projects like Flatpak, toolbox, podman, and > > Silverblue. > > > > > > > > My workflow over the past few years has been using these upcoming > > > > technologies as daily drivers as they lead to saner development. > > For > > > > example, my laptop runs Silverblue ( > > > > https://fedoramagazine.org/what-is-silverblue/) which is a Fedora > > > > variant designed around immutability where a new system image is > > > > committed as the new /sysroot without affecting the state of the > > > > running system. This is reminiscent of Android A/B updates, > > although > > > > the update backend -- ostree -- has elements of a version control > > > > system like git. > > > > > > > > Toolbox ( > > > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/toolbox/) is > > > > also interesting as it lets you switch into an unprivileged > > development > > > > environment that can be built up and torn down without affecting > > the > > > > host as tools are installed inside a container. For example, I can > > > > build and install duc inside a toolbox without actually installing > > to > > > > the host /usr: > > > > > > > > [jstone@jstone-laptop ~]$ toolbox create --release 31 --container > > duc- > > > > test > > > > [jstone@jstone-laptop ~]$ toolbox enter --container duc-test > > > > ⬢[jstone@toolbox ~]$ git clone https://github.com/zevv/duc > > > > ⬢[jstone@toolbox ~]$ cd duc > > > > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ sudo dnf --assumeyes install gcc make > > autoconf > > > > automake pango-devel cairo-devel tokyocabinet-devel ncurses-devel > > > > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ autoreconf --install > > > > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ ./configure > > > > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ make > > > > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ sudo make install # no password needed > > > > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ mkdir ~/.cache/duc > > > > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ tcbmgr create ~/.cache/duc/duc.db > > > > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ duc index ~ > > > > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ duc gui > > > > > > > > Finally, I've been installing most of my apps as Flatpaks, which > > uses > > > > the same file storage backend as Silverblue to manage apps and > > shared > > > > runtimes. This app distribution technology allows you to decouple > > apps > > > > and operating systems as everything is built and run inside a > > sandbox, > > > > making upgrades easier. Compare needing only one version of an app > > to > > > > package as a flatpak, versus packaging for different versions of > > > > distros: > > > > > > > > https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.clementine_player.Clementine > > > > https://www.clementine-player.org/downloads > > > > > > > > I'd be glad to hear what everyone has to say! > > > > > > > > -Josh > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > >

Nov. 20, 2019

Re: Ideas for the next WLUG meeting

by John Stoffel

Josh, This is a great start for a talk, I really like your example of setting up duc, though you don't need to build the cache yourself with tcbmgr, duc should do that itself on startup. I may borrow your docs and testing things out and update the duc docs as well, since I think what you've done here is really neat. Looking forward to trying to make the next meeting, though December thru February will be tough for me due to other commitments. John

Nov. 19, 2019

Re: Ideas for the next WLUG meeting

by Tim Keller

Josh, I think this would be an awesome talk. I'm particularly interested in the /sysroot upgrading process. I like the idea of having an immutable root that you can unwind things if they go horribly wrong. I'm game for having this as our Dec. topic! Thanks, Tim. On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 12:03 PM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'd just like to say I had a fun time at Thursday's meeting! I'm > already looking forward to the next meeting as I'm sure there are > plenty of interesting topics we could discuss. > > As mentioned before, I think we could examine technologies that'd be > beneficial to Linux on the desktop, like comparing packaging > technologies including Flatpak, Snap, and AppImage. > > I think we could also look into the future of containers on the desktop > as a whole with projects like Flatpak, toolbox, podman, and Silverblue. > > My workflow over the past few years has been using these upcoming > technologies as daily drivers as they lead to saner development. For > example, my laptop runs Silverblue ( > https://fedoramagazine.org/what-is-silverblue/) which is a Fedora > variant designed around immutability where a new system image is > committed as the new /sysroot without affecting the state of the > running system. This is reminiscent of Android A/B updates, although > the update backend -- ostree -- has elements of a version control > system like git. > > Toolbox ( > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/toolbox/) is > also interesting as it lets you switch into an unprivileged development > environment that can be built up and torn down without affecting the > host as tools are installed inside a container. For example, I can > build and install duc inside a toolbox without actually installing to > the host /usr: > > [jstone@jstone-laptop ~]$ toolbox create --release 31 --container duc- > test > [jstone@jstone-laptop ~]$ toolbox enter --container duc-test > ⬢[jstone@toolbox ~]$ git clone https://github.com/zevv/duc > ⬢[jstone@toolbox ~]$ cd duc > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ sudo dnf --assumeyes install gcc make autoconf > automake pango-devel cairo-devel tokyocabinet-devel ncurses-devel > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ autoreconf --install > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ ./configure > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ make > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ sudo make install # no password needed > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ mkdir ~/.cache/duc > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ tcbmgr create ~/.cache/duc/duc.db > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ duc index ~ > ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ duc gui > > Finally, I've been installing most of my apps as Flatpaks, which uses > the same file storage backend as Silverblue to manage apps and shared > runtimes. This app distribution technology allows you to decouple apps > and operating systems as everything is built and run inside a sandbox, > making upgrades easier. Compare needing only one version of an app to > package as a flatpak, versus packaging for different versions of > distros: > > https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.clementine_player.Clementine > https://www.clementine-player.org/downloads > > I'd be glad to hear what everyone has to say! > > -Josh > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 18, 2019

Ideas for the next WLUG meeting

by Joshua Stone

Hey everyone, I'd just like to say I had a fun time at Thursday's meeting! I'm already looking forward to the next meeting as I'm sure there are plenty of interesting topics we could discuss. As mentioned before, I think we could examine technologies that'd be beneficial to Linux on the desktop, like comparing packaging technologies including Flatpak, Snap, and AppImage. I think we could also look into the future of containers on the desktop as a whole with projects like Flatpak, toolbox, podman, and Silverblue. My workflow over the past few years has been using these upcoming technologies as daily drivers as they lead to saner development. For example, my laptop runs Silverblue ( https://fedoramagazine.org/what-is-silverblue/) which is a Fedora variant designed around immutability where a new system image is committed as the new /sysroot without affecting the state of the running system. This is reminiscent of Android A/B updates, although the update backend -- ostree -- has elements of a version control system like git. Toolbox ( https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/toolbox/) is also interesting as it lets you switch into an unprivileged development environment that can be built up and torn down without affecting the host as tools are installed inside a container. For example, I can build and install duc inside a toolbox without actually installing to the host /usr: [jstone@jstone-laptop ~]$ toolbox create --release 31 --container duc- test [jstone@jstone-laptop ~]$ toolbox enter --container duc-test ⬢[jstone@toolbox ~]$ git clone https://github.com/zevv/duc ⬢[jstone@toolbox ~]$ cd duc ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ sudo dnf --assumeyes install gcc make autoconf automake pango-devel cairo-devel tokyocabinet-devel ncurses-devel ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ autoreconf --install ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ ./configure ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ make ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ sudo make install # no password needed ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ mkdir ~/.cache/duc ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ tcbmgr create ~/.cache/duc/duc.db ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ duc index ~ ⬢[jstone@toolbox duc]$ duc gui Finally, I've been installing most of my apps as Flatpaks, which uses the same file storage backend as Silverblue to manage apps and shared runtimes. This app distribution technology allows you to decouple apps and operating systems as everything is built and run inside a sandbox, making upgrades easier. Compare needing only one version of an app to package as a flatpak, versus packaging for different versions of distros: https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.clementine_player.Clementine https://www.clementine-player.org/downloads I'd be glad to hear what everyone has to say! -Josh

Nov. 16, 2019

Re: Reminder: Meeting today! Nov 14th, 2019

by John Stoffel

I'll be there tonight, and I can show off the boards I designed and had made with KiCAD too, if people are bored about ZFS. :-) Maybe in March I can give a talk on using KiCad and show over version 2 of my board design to address the mistakes I made first time around. John

Nov. 14, 2019

Re: Reminder: Meeting today! Nov 14th, 2019

by Richard Klein

The reminders are greatly appreciated! On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 5:20 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > We've got a meeting today! If people are interested I could go into detail > about the new 355tb zfs on linux system i just deployed and the issues I > ran into and the bug/behavior reports I've put I to the Zol team. > > Date & Time: November 14th, 2019 @ 7pm. > Location: WPI Campus Center Room rm 128 (Taylor room) It's the bottom of > the stairs in the student center. > > Snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for > dinner. > > Later, > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Nov. 14, 2019

Reminder: Meeting today! Nov 14th, 2019

by Tim Keller

We've got a meeting today! If people are interested I could go into detail about the new 355tb zfs on linux system i just deployed and the issues I ran into and the bug/behavior reports I've put I to the Zol team. Date & Time: November 14th, 2019 @ 7pm. Location: WPI Campus Center Room rm 128 (Taylor room) It's the bottom of the stairs in the student center. Snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for dinner. Later, Tim.

Nov. 14, 2019

WLUG Meeting Next Thursday! (Nov. 14th, 2019) Topic: TBD

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting next Thursday! I don't have a topic yet so if you're got a topic that you'd like to talk about, let me know! Otherwise, we'll figure something out Date & Time: November 14th, 2019 @ 7pm. Location: WPI Campus Center Room rm 128 (Taylor room) It's the bottom of the stairs in the student center. Snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for dinner. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 8, 2019

Re: [Wlug] word perfect

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Nov. 7, 2019

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Nov. 7, 2019

Re: [EXT] Photo Frames

by Joel

I have a 10 inch simple mode, no wifi or touch screen, pictures fed by sd card sneaker net. Device was around $70 on Amazon recently. Can share the specific model tomorrow if people are interested. Actually support three picture frames, one at each grandma house too. Update photos onto 4gb sd cards twice per year. Works great for a random screen saver like show. All can see the transition of our cute kid into a gangly tween. Joel On October 23, 2019 5:14:59 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Charles> If you contemplate spending $150 for one, why not a basic > Charles> Android tablet? The possibility then exists to run different > Charles> apps or write your own. > > This is a possible idea too... but I'm really looking for a product > that my wife and other family members will operate... and they're not > techy geeks like me. Which is partly why I'd like a touch screen, > since the wife expressed frustration with the current crappy one we > have which you can't look back easily at a picture which just passed. > > I do have a dead nexus tablet which probably just needs a new > battery... but again I don't want to have to write anything for it. > Not my interest... > > But thanks for the ideas! > > Charles> https://mashtips.com/convert-android-tablet-to-digital-photo-frame/ > > Charles> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 03:21:03PM -0400, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >>> I'm looking for a photo frame for the family. > Charles> [...] >>> So my vague requirements: >>> >>> 1. local photo storage >>> 2. touch screen control >>> 3. automatic dimming/brightening and ideally power off when no one is >>> around. >>> 4. 10" in size approx. >>> 5. IPS display for the widest possible angles and best colors. >>> 6. High Resolution display. >>> 7. If it has Wifi for remote photo adding, I want them to download to >>> the frame, so that if the Wifi goes out, it's not a problem. > Charles> [...] >>> I'm really tepted by the "PhotoSpring 10-inch Digital Frame" for the >>> touchscreen options, but strongly dislike that there's no local >>> storage, you have to upload to the cloud. >>> >>> >>> "Nix Advance 8-Inch Digital Photo Frame" doesn't have Wifi, and uses a >>> remote. So I like that it's not cloud based... but for remote family >>> members it won't work as well. And probably a bit small. > Charles> _______________________________________________ > Charles> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > Charles> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Oct. 23, 2019

Re: [EXT] Photo Frames

by John Stoffel

Charles> If you contemplate spending $150 for one, why not a basic Charles> Android tablet? The possibility then exists to run different Charles> apps or write your own. This is a possible idea too... but I'm really looking for a product that my wife and other family members will operate... and they're not techy geeks like me. Which is partly why I'd like a touch screen, since the wife expressed frustration with the current crappy one we have which you can't look back easily at a picture which just passed. I do have a dead nexus tablet which probably just needs a new battery... but again I don't want to have to write anything for it. Not my interest... But thanks for the ideas! Charles> https://mashtips.com/convert-android-tablet-to-digital-photo-frame/ Charles> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 03:21:03PM -0400, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >> I'm looking for a photo frame for the family. Charles> [...] >> So my vague requirements: >> >> 1. local photo storage >> 2. touch screen control >> 3. automatic dimming/brightening and ideally power off when no one is >> around. >> 4. 10" in size approx. >> 5. IPS display for the widest possible angles and best colors. >> 6. High Resolution display. >> 7. If it has Wifi for remote photo adding, I want them to download to >> the frame, so that if the Wifi goes out, it's not a problem. Charles> [...] >> I'm really tepted by the "PhotoSpring 10-inch Digital Frame" for the >> touchscreen options, but strongly dislike that there's no local >> storage, you have to upload to the cloud. >> >> >> "Nix Advance 8-Inch Digital Photo Frame" doesn't have Wifi, and uses a >> remote. So I like that it's not cloud based... but for remote family >> members it won't work as well. And probably a bit small. Charles> _______________________________________________ Charles> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org Charles> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Oct. 23, 2019

Re: [EXT] Photo Frames

by Anderson, Charles R

If you contemplate spending $150 for one, why not a basic Android tablet? The possibility then exists to run different apps or write your own. https://mashtips.com/convert-android-tablet-to-digital-photo-frame/ On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 03:21:03PM -0400, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > I'm looking for a photo frame for the family. [...] > So my vague requirements: > > 1. local photo storage > 2. touch screen control > 3. automatic dimming/brightening and ideally power off when no one is > around. > 4. 10" in size approx. > 5. IPS display for the widest possible angles and best colors. > 6. High Resolution display. > 7. If it has Wifi for remote photo adding, I want them to download to > the frame, so that if the Wifi goes out, it's not a problem. [...] > I'm really tepted by the "PhotoSpring 10-inch Digital Frame" for the > touchscreen options, but strongly dislike that there's no local > storage, you have to upload to the cloud. > > > "Nix Advance 8-Inch Digital Photo Frame" doesn't have Wifi, and uses a > remote. So I like that it's not cloud based... but for remote family > members it won't work as well. And probably a bit small.

Oct. 23, 2019

Photo Frames

by John Stoffel

Hi all, I'm looking for a photo frame for the family. I *hate* the model where you have to email/upload photos to some site so they can curate them. I do like the idea of a touch screen, so you can scroll back if you see a photo you like. I'd like a nice display, with subtle cropping if needed of images. I've looked on Aamzon.com, but got lost in the weeds, and I've also looked at "The Wirecutter" but the review is a bit old and not really too useful. But maybe I'm too harsh on the upload model, but how many times have I seen companies get bought out and shutdown? Especially for something like this which will probably be around for ages. So my vague requirements: 1. local photo storage 2. touch screen control 3. automatic dimming/brightening and ideally power off when no one is around. 4. 10" in size approx. 5. IPS display for the widest possible angles and best colors. 6. High Resolution display. 7. If it has Wifi for remote photo adding, I want them to download to the frame, so that if the Wifi goes out, it's not a problem. And I really hate small remotes that get lost. I'm torn though, because I'd like to give one to my Dad who doesn't live near me so I can easily send pictures... but I hate the idea of remote sites which can and do go away without warning. But what really gets me is the controls on the back, useless! I'd like it to look like a photo frame, but *some* controles so I can swipe through photos easily. Sorta like a big cell phone. I've looked at the reviews on: tomsguide.com reviewlab.com thewirecutter.com I'm really tepted by the "PhotoSpring 10-inch Digital Frame" for the touchscreen options, but strongly dislike that there's no local storage, you have to upload to the cloud. "Nix Advance 8-Inch Digital Photo Frame" doesn't have Wifi, and uses a remote. So I like that it's not cloud based... but for remote family members it won't work as well. And probably a bit small. Totally annoying, but I'm sure I'll just have to settle for something. THanks, John

Oct. 23, 2019

Re: Reminder! Meeting Tomorrow Thursday, Oct 10th, 2019: Topic: CAD on linux!

by Robert Schwein

Unfortunately I've taken on the roll of primary health care provider for a family member. Sadly this means me coming to our WLUG meetings will be sporadic at best. I miss the fun. Bob On 10/9/2019 10:26 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > Hey Everybody, > We've got a meeting tomorrow!!! > Date & Time: Oct 10th, 2019 at 7PM > Location: WPI Rec Center Room Rom 412 (Class of '61 conference room) > Topic: Round table on CAD software for linux. > > This month we're going to talk about the plethora of FOSS and > otherwise options for doing Computer Aided Drafting (CAD) on linux. > Logan Brown has offered to speak about OpenSCAD > Frank Sweetser will be talking about TinkerCAD > I will be talking about FreeCAD > We'll also gloss over LeoCAD and a few other cad products as well. > This is a round table, so if you have a piece of cad software on linux > you love feel free to speak up! > > Refreshments and Snacks will be provided and afterwards we'll head off > for dinner. > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Oct. 10, 2019

Re: Reminder! Meeting Tomorrow Thursday, Oct 10th, 2019: Topic: CAD on linux!

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Hey Everybody, > We've got a meeting tomorrow!!! > Date & Time: Oct 10th, 2019 at 7PM > Location: WPI Rec Center Room Rom 412 (Class of '61 conference room) Is the Rec Center the same as what my map calls (31) Sports & Recreation Center, on the far west of the quad overlooking the Alumni (football) Field? -- Keith > Topic: Round table on CAD software for linux. > > This month we're going to talk about the plethora of FOSS and otherwise > options for doing Computer Aided Drafting (CAD) on linux. > Logan Brown has offered to speak about OpenSCAD > Frank Sweetser will be talking about TinkerCAD > I will be talking about FreeCAD > We'll also gloss over LeoCAD and a few other cad products as well. > This is a round table, so if you have a piece of cad software on linux you > love feel free to speak up! > > Refreshments and Snacks will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for > dinner. > Thanks, > Tim.

Oct. 10, 2019

Reminder! Meeting Tomorrow Thursday, Oct 10th, 2019: Topic: CAD on linux!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting tomorrow!!! Date & Time: Oct 10th, 2019 at 7PM Location: WPI Rec Center Room Rom 412 (Class of '61 conference room) Topic: Round table on CAD software for linux. This month we're going to talk about the plethora of FOSS and otherwise options for doing Computer Aided Drafting (CAD) on linux. Logan Brown has offered to speak about OpenSCAD Frank Sweetser will be talking about TinkerCAD I will be talking about FreeCAD We'll also gloss over LeoCAD and a few other cad products as well. This is a round table, so if you have a piece of cad software on linux you love feel free to speak up! Refreshments and Snacks will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for dinner. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 10, 2019

WLUG Meeting: Oct 10th 2019 Topic: CAD on linux!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting next week! Date & Time: Oct 10th, 2019 at 7PM Location: WPI Rec Center Room Rom 412 (Class of '61 conference room) Topic: Round table on CAD software for linux. This month we're going to talk about the plethora of FOSS and otherwise options for doing Computer Aided Drafting on linux. Logan Brown has offered to speak about OpenSCAD Frank Sweetser will be talking about TinkerCAD I will be talking about FreeCAD We'll also gloss over LeoCAD and a few other cad products as well. This is a round table, so if you have a piece of cad software on linux you love feel free to speak up! Refreshments and Snacks will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for dinner. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 4, 2019

Linux in the wild

by Richard Klein

Seen on Nextdoor (lost cat): https://nextdoor.com/post/125096592?init_source=copy_link_share -- Rich

Sept. 26, 2019

Re: Thanks for a great meeting last night!

by Keith Wright

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > It was a really fun meeting, bummer we didn't have > the CAD discussion, but happy about the storage discussion. After I got into a gun fight with the police it was difficult to pay attention. They kept talking about tera-bytes, but I am still a bit future-shocked from when my ex-new-boss told me that the programs I would be paid to write had to work with a giga-byte of important data...and when I actually bought a mega-byte for my own home. Real programmers code for 64K. > Subject: [WLUG] Becoming a brick-and-mortar Linux vendor > From: Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > I've been wondering about with Linux as a desktop > platform if one were to run a business around selling > machines that're built with it in mind. I had a similar idea about 20 years ago. I rented a store-front in south-east Worcester and did it for a few years. I didn't make much money, but I didn't lose much either. The remaining fragments of that business exist as a web page: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/ I used to have a book about starting a business in Massachusetts, maybe I can find it. It's probably far out of date. You need to know the laws about collecting sales tax and reporting and remitting to the state. -- Keith Wright, Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop

Sept. 26, 2019

Re: Becoming a brick-and-mortar Linux vendor

by Mike Peckar

Here's my take Following on the FOSS model, you may want to set up a shop offering free services at an incubator like technocopia.org. This may then become a stepping stone to more commercial opportunities. Hope this helps. Mike On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 11:42 PM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'm sure we all know how successful Linux is across different markets > today, but I've been wondering about with Linux as a desktop platform > if one were to run a business around selling machines that're built > with it in mind. > > The market for online retailers selling devices shipping Linux already > seems diverse enough, but I don't know of any successful brick-and- > mortar stores selling these devices. I think there could be some > advantages to this, including: > > - Spreading awareness about Linux and the FOSS community > - Providing on-site troubleshooting and consultation > - Demonstrating different form factors such as Raspberry Pi, Steam OS > machines, workstation etc > - Providing a physical location for workshops, LUGs, and other meetups > - Having a one-stop shop for hardware that's already known to work on > Linux such as USB DACs, wifi adapters, etc > - Generally act as a community center for computer enthusiasts > - Partnering with pre-existing online vendors so customers can test > their hardware in-store > > Jumping into a business such as this does sound risky though, seeing as > the Linux crowd is generally very hands-on about computers they > purchase and are willing to fix problems on their own. There are also > many hurdles that the ecosystem has to catch up on in order to be > competitive with applications found only on Windows and/or macOS. That > being said, I think I'm still curious to see how much interest there > would be in selling a platform around desktop Linux in a brick-and- > mortar store with an experience similar to Microsoft and Apple stores. > It would certainly help for attracting new users with a more integrated > approach that we've come to expect from other platforms, and I think > we're in a pretty good position these days for seeing growth. > > I'd also like to say that I have no experience in marketing, so I > wouldn't know where to start with doing anything like market research > or studies, so I'm eager to hear any suggestions for how to gauge the > potential for a business idea such as this. > > More than happy to hear what everyone else thinks! > > Sincerely, > > -Josh > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Sept. 25, 2019

Becoming a brick-and-mortar Linux vendor

by Joshua Stone

Hey everyone, I'm sure we all know how successful Linux is across different markets today, but I've been wondering about with Linux as a desktop platform if one were to run a business around selling machines that're built with it in mind. The market for online retailers selling devices shipping Linux already seems diverse enough, but I don't know of any successful brick-and- mortar stores selling these devices. I think there could be some advantages to this, including: - Spreading awareness about Linux and the FOSS community - Providing on-site troubleshooting and consultation - Demonstrating different form factors such as Raspberry Pi, Steam OS machines, workstation etc - Providing a physical location for workshops, LUGs, and other meetups - Having a one-stop shop for hardware that's already known to work on Linux such as USB DACs, wifi adapters, etc - Generally act as a community center for computer enthusiasts - Partnering with pre-existing online vendors so customers can test their hardware in-store Jumping into a business such as this does sound risky though, seeing as the Linux crowd is generally very hands-on about computers they purchase and are willing to fix problems on their own. There are also many hurdles that the ecosystem has to catch up on in order to be competitive with applications found only on Windows and/or macOS. That being said, I think I'm still curious to see how much interest there would be in selling a platform around desktop Linux in a brick-and- mortar store with an experience similar to Microsoft and Apple stores. It would certainly help for attracting new users with a more integrated approach that we've come to expect from other platforms, and I think we're in a pretty good position these days for seeing growth. I'd also like to say that I have no experience in marketing, so I wouldn't know where to start with doing anything like market research or studies, so I'm eager to hear any suggestions for how to gauge the potential for a business idea such as this. More than happy to hear what everyone else thinks! Sincerely, -Josh

Sept. 25, 2019

Re: Thanks for a great meeting last night!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Richard> Shoot! I didn't have the meeting on my calendar! I'll add the next one now. It was a really fun meeting, bummer we didn't have the CAD discussion, but happy about the storage discussion.

Sept. 14, 2019

Re: Thanks for a great meeting last night!

by Richard Klein

Shoot! I didn't have the meeting on my calendar! I'll add the next one now. -- Rich On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 1:09 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > As usual at WLUG, we went off on a tangent and it was amazing.. What > started out as a side conversation about storage technologies turned into > 1.5 hour conversation about LVM / ZFS on Linux / Ceph / GlusterFS / > Synology / FreeNAS / NetAPP and the general philosophies around managing > scalable storage at home and in the enterprise! > > This conversation continued at the Boynton and was great fun! > > Next meeting is the 10th of October! > > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Sept. 13, 2019

Thanks for a great meeting last night!

by Tim Keller

As usual at WLUG, we went off on a tangent and it was amazing.. What started out as a side conversation about storage technologies turned into 1.5 hour conversation about LVM / ZFS on Linux / Ceph / GlusterFS / Synology / FreeNAS / NetAPP and the general philosophies around managing scalable storage at home and in the enterprise! This conversation continued at the Boynton and was great fun! Next meeting is the 10th of October! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 13, 2019

September WLUG Meeting Announcement!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting next week! Date: September 12, 2019 Time: 7pm Location: WPI Campus Center Mid-Century Room (rm 331) aka. the usual haunt Topic: Tinkercad codeblocks and more! I know that a few of us have tinkered with and enjoy using OpenSCAD. However, for many users the learning curve is REALLY steep and this steep learning curve has kept many users away from programmatic shape generation for 3d modeling. Basically writing code to generate a shape. At our last meeting Frank Sweetser showed off something really cool, which is that Tinkercad has now integrated a "scratch" like language into Tinkercad. At this meeting someone will be giving a demo of this. I think we would be remiss if we didn't talk about exFAT and Microsoft's decision to open the patents on it. It *sounds* like we may have exFAT becoming a first class citizen on linux. Is this Microsoft playing some long game of embrace, extend, extinguish or are we moving towards some wild convergence point? In that is the interesting conversation where we think linux will be in another ten years and for that matter Microsoft. As usual, snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for dinner and fall deeper down the rabbit hole! Later, Tim. WLUG President -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 5, 2019

Sr Linux Software Engineer opening

by John Spencer

Connected Systems has a client with a perm/direct hire opening for the following: As a Senior Linux Software Engineer with this group on Cape Cod, you will be working on the embedded software and firmware development and enhancements of a new IoT system platform. Please note our client will consider candidates who can work on-site 1-2 days/week. We're seeking candidates that have the ability to modify kernels and drivers on Linux based systems. A candidate will also ideally have some form of wireless, wifi or Bluetooth product experience. 10+ years of Linux programming with C++/C coding for Firmware development Strong experience with Linux systems, Linux Kernels, Linux Drivers and security programming Experience with Wireless, Wifi, or Bluetooth (BLE) based technology Bonus points for candidates experienced in Yocto Linux or Systems Architecture Please Note : All candidates must be US Citizens or US Greencards. Our client cannot sponsor visas. Salary up to $150K will be considered. Please send your resume and any questions to me directly. Regards, John Spencer Connected Systems Partners Office: (978) 455-5550 x208 Cell: (978) 621-9743 jspencer(a)connectedsp.com www.connectedsp.com GET CONNECTED! All information in this email, unless indicated otherwise in the body of the email, is considered confidential and intended for the view and use of the recipient(s) only.

Sept. 3, 2019

Re: August WLUG meeting reminder!!

by Tim Keller

Keith, If your up for it, I can pick you up at your house. Otherwise, we need to up our streaming game! In any case, I hope you feel better soon. Later, Tim. On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 2:39 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > Hey fellow WLUG'ers! > > > > We've got a meeting this Thursday August 15th! > > Keep the faith. I had planned to be there, > but I fell and sprained my ankle. > Getting between the bed, bathroom, and armchair, > is about all the moving I want to do. > > I haven't fogotten you and I hope to see you next month. > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 15, 2019

Re: August WLUG meeting reminder!!

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Hey fellow WLUG'ers! > > We've got a meeting this Thursday August 15th! Keep the faith. I had planned to be there, but I fell and sprained my ankle. Getting between the bed, bathroom, and armchair, is about all the moving I want to do. I haven't fogotten you and I hope to see you next month. -- Keith

Aug. 15, 2019

Re: Comparing distro packages

by Dennis Payne

I know openalchemist is there. I have it installed. I maintain ostrichriders and btbuilder. I alerted the maintainer of shippy to my updated version of that program. What I'm interested in knowing, is when something is included in Fedora but not Debian. This doesn't have to be limited to Fedora and Debian. They just happen to be the ones I'm looking at. If you give a demo of say openalchemist at a user group meeting, it would be nice to be able to say it is available on Fedora and FreeBSD but not Debian. There is a PPA for Ubuntu. I stumbled on this wiki page for Debian which compared it to Fedora 20 but I have no idea how up to date it is: https://wiki.debian.org/Games/FedoraGamesNotInDebian On Tue, 2019-08-13 at 15:23 +0000, Anderson, Charles R via WLUG wrote: > openalchemist has recent builds in Fedora: > > https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=7009 > > shippy, ostrichriders, btbuilder are all there as well. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Aug. 13, 2019

Re: Comparing distro packages

by Anderson, Charles R

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 08:54:56AM -0400, Dennis Payne via WLUG wrote: > I wanted to know if OpenAlchemist is included in Debian. During my > searching I found distrowatch has the ability to compare packages from > distributions. I pull up Fedora and Debian. > > https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=compare-packages&firstlist=fedor… > > Fedora's list of packages doesn't include OpenAlchemist. Nor does it > include shippy, ostrichriders, and btbuilder. Clearly this isn't a > complete list. Am I doing something wrong on distrowatch? Is there a > different way to do the same thing? openalchemist has recent builds in Fedora: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=7009 shippy, ostrichriders, btbuilder are all there as well.

Aug. 13, 2019

Comparing distro packages

by Dennis Payne

I wanted to know if OpenAlchemist is included in Debian. During my searching I found distrowatch has the ability to compare packages from distributions. I pull up Fedora and Debian. https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=compare-packages&firstlist=fedor… Fedora's list of packages doesn't include OpenAlchemist. Nor does it include shippy, ostrichriders, and btbuilder. Clearly this isn't a complete list. Am I doing something wrong on distrowatch? Is there a different way to do the same thing?

Aug. 13, 2019

August WLUG meeting reminder!!

by Tim Keller

Hey fellow WLUG'ers! We've got a meeting this Thursday August 15th! Space and time: WPI student center mid century room (rm 331) aka "the usual haunt" at 7pm. Topic: general discussion / using linux to drive a Curio die cut machine. San is and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for dinner to continue the conversation. See ya there! Tim Keller WLUG President

Aug. 13, 2019

Re: Next Meeting moved to August 15th 2019

by Richard Klein

Do we know what room the meeting will be in yet? On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 5:54 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > I'm going to move the meeting to August 15th. > > If you've got a topic idea, let me know. Otherwise, we can either do an > open topic meeting. > > Thanks, > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Aug. 12, 2019

Re: August 15th 2019 and/or GIMP resizing/crop ideas

by Doug Mildram

doug/OP> yay, ideas! Boo/delay: learning curve. Thing1: Found xnconvert is already on my linux Mint system, but havent figured out how to use it yet ( dont wanna crop via X/Y/Width/Height coordinates, i suspect if I get smarter it will let me crop via mouse.....) Thing2: Found caesium and/or caesiumPH is free compile-able software, if I knew how to compile it I'd try it, since it mentions no-pixel-loss compression in caesiumPH. I'm Qt-clueless however; ~/CaesiumPH-0.9.5-beta$ AUTHORS.md CaesiumPH.pro CHANGELOG.md icons/ icons.qrc LICENSE qss/ qt.conf README.md src/ style.qrc TODO.md translations/ doug> README says/includes...a bit more but below are the best hints: ##### REQUIREMENTS * [mozjpeg](https://github.com/mozilla/mozjpeg) * [Exiv2](http://www.exiv2.org/) ---------- ##### TESTED PLATFORMS * MacOSX El Capitan (v. 10.11.1) * Windows 10 64 bit * ArchLinux ---------- ##### INSTALLATION Binaries can be found at [GitHub]( https://github.com/Lymphatus/CaesiumPH/releases/latest) Linux source code must be compiled using Qt5.5. doug> ~/CaesiumPH-0.9.5-beta$ l src aboutdialog.cpp cimageinfo.h lossless.h* qdroptreewidget.cpp* aboutdialog.h cphlist.cpp main.cpp qdroptreewidget.h* aboutdialog.ui cphlist.h networkoperations.cpp utils.cpp caesiumph.cpp ctreewidgetitem.h networkoperations.h utils.h caesiumph.h exif.cpp preferencedialog.cpp caesiumph.ui exif.h preferencedialog.h cimageinfo.cpp lossless.cpp* preferencedialog.ui doug> Tempted to try binaries and/or learn Qt ( src/main.cpp clearly needs it w/o teaching me anything) ...................gotta run for now. Thanks ongoing. On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 10:02 AM Joseph G via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hello Richard, > > Have you taken a look at these? > > https://www.xnview.com/en/xnconvert/ > https://saerasoft.com/caesium/ > > Enjoy your weekend, > Joe > > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:37 AM Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> How do PNG files compare? >> >> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:05 AM Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> doug> I have a topic idea and/OR question-for-list-here+now, but only >>> half a clue; >>> I seek the Grail (our group's collective mind meld) on.... >>> >>> Resizing/cropping images efficiently w/r/t >>> ( a) my time to perform the file manipuation, and >>> (b) efficient+good JPG compression/filesize-shrinking. >>> >>> In my nearly-abandoned Windows-OS world, I had/have an obscure tool >>> ACDSee >>> which I paid $10-20 for, 25 yrs ago ! (still avail for windows >>> only) which.... >>> >>> --- is very easy/quick to use in my opinion >>> --- does an easy image rotation if needed >>> --- does an easy crop-and-save (the main feature for me) >>> --- magically, without asking about quality/compression? DOES COMPRESS >>> Very Well: >>> .... I can crop most images (eg typical smartphone jpg around 4mb >>> for example, >>> ........ I can crop most of it and save with a typical result = >>> 10-20% of original file size = 400-800k >>> ........... and you wouldn't believe how good the 10%-smaller image >>> tends to look. >>> >>> GIMP can do these, except seems to lack the magical quality of ACDSee >>> for a downsize. >>> >>> while doing GIMP's Crop first, then Export to JPG, GIMP Export asks for >>> a QUALITY in the 1-100% range, >>> if I choose 10% I do get a 400k file, but it's grainy as you might >>> expect, >>> and I wonder how ACDSee does such superior compression with barely any >>> loss/grainy result. -------doug >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> > > ) > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Aug. 10, 2019

Sr or Prin Linux Drivers/kernel job

by John Spencer

Connected Systems has a perm/direct hire opening for a Sr or Principle Embedded Software Engineer with our client in Boston. You be able to work on-site in Boston, with occasional off-site as an option. GREAT opportunity to work with a successful and growing company on interesting products. Work with existing team to get current product released to the market. As soon as that work is done, next project will involve design and development of next generation products. Must have a strong background with C and be an expert with embedded Linux Must be able to work at the Linux driver and kernel level Must have multi-threaded experience Must have microprocessor/microcontroller experience as well (ARM is helpful) Experience with C++ and experience working in the lab. Regards, John Spencer Connected Systems Partners Office: (978) 455-5550 x208 Cell: (978) 621-9743 jspencer(a)connectedsp.com www.connectedsp.com GET CONNECTED! All information in this email, unless indicated otherwise in the body of the email, is considered confidential and intended for the view and use of the recipient(s) only.

Aug. 9, 2019

Re: Best place to look for webcam drivers

by Richard Klein

Output from v4l2-ctl -l: > User Controls > > brightness 0x00980900 (int) : min=0 max=255 step=1 default=128 value=128 flags=slider > contrast 0x00980901 (int) : min=0 max=255 step=1 default=128 value=128 flags=slider > gamma 0x00980910 (int) : min=1 max=6 step=1 default=3 value=3 flags=slider > gain_automatic 0x00980912 (bool) : default=1 value=1 > power_line_frequency 0x00980918 (menu) : min=0 max=2 default=0 value=0 > sharpness 0x0098091b (int) : min=0 max=3 step=1 default=2 value=2 flags=slider > > JPEG Compression Controls > > compression_quality 0x009d0903 (int) : min=50 max=87 step=1 default=75 value=75 Output from v4l2-ctl -D: > Driver Info (not using libv4l2): > Driver name : gspca_zc3xx > Card type : USB Camera (041e:4051) > Bus info : usb-0000:00:1d.3-1 > Driver version: 4.15.18 > Capabilities : 0x85200001 > Video Capture > Read/Write > Streaming > Extended Pix Format > Device Capabilities > Device Caps : 0x05200001 > Video Capture > Read/Write > Streaming > Extended Pix Format Maybe "(not using libv4l2):" is my problem? Do I need a webcam app that specifically supports gspca? Anyway, I added myself to the 'video' group and ran Cheese. Since I was already in the terminal, I ran Cheese from the command line instead of from the GUI, like I usually do, and I was rewarded with some extra output (editing out some irrelevant lines): > Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0". > (cheese:8484): cheese-CRITICAL **: 10:26:20.051: cheese_camera_device_get_name: assertion 'CHEESE_IS_CAMERA_DEVICE (device)' failed Cheese still didn't find a video device, and I got the same results running it as root. On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 4:59 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Richard" == Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> writes: > > Richard> Hmm... > Richard> From lsusb: > Richard> Bus 005 Device 003: ID 041e:4051 Creative Technology, Ltd Live! > Cam Notebook Pro [VF0250] > > So it sees it ok as a USB device > > Richard> And from v4l2-ctl: > Richard> USB Camera (041e:4051) (usb-0000:00:1d.3-1): > Richard> /dev/video0 > > And it finds it properly. Maybe you can do: > > v4l2-ctl -l /dev/video0 > > and see what controls is offers. Or try the -D option. See the man > page for things to try. > > Richard> But the webcam app I installed (Cheese) detects no device. > > Did you check the permissions of /dev/video? Does 'cheese' have the > permissions to open the file? Try running as root, or adding your > account to the 'video' group. > > John >

Aug. 9, 2019

Re: August 15th 2019 and/or GIMP resizing/crop ideas

by Joseph G

Hello Richard, Have you taken a look at these? https://www.xnview.com/en/xnconvert/ https://saerasoft.com/caesium/ Enjoy your weekend, Joe On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:37 AM Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > How do PNG files compare? > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:05 AM Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> doug> I have a topic idea and/OR question-for-list-here+now, but only >> half a clue; >> I seek the Grail (our group's collective mind meld) on.... >> >> Resizing/cropping images efficiently w/r/t >> ( a) my time to perform the file manipuation, and >> (b) efficient+good JPG compression/filesize-shrinking. >> >> In my nearly-abandoned Windows-OS world, I had/have an obscure tool >> ACDSee >> which I paid $10-20 for, 25 yrs ago ! (still avail for windows >> only) which.... >> >> --- is very easy/quick to use in my opinion >> --- does an easy image rotation if needed >> --- does an easy crop-and-save (the main feature for me) >> --- magically, without asking about quality/compression? DOES COMPRESS >> Very Well: >> .... I can crop most images (eg typical smartphone jpg around 4mb >> for example, >> ........ I can crop most of it and save with a typical result = >> 10-20% of original file size = 400-800k >> ........... and you wouldn't believe how good the 10%-smaller image >> tends to look. >> >> GIMP can do these, except seems to lack the magical quality of ACDSee >> for a downsize. >> >> while doing GIMP's Crop first, then Export to JPG, GIMP Export asks for >> a QUALITY in the 1-100% range, >> if I choose 10% I do get a 400k file, but it's grainy as you might expect, >> and I wonder how ACDSee does such superior compression with barely any >> loss/grainy result. -------doug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > )

Aug. 9, 2019

Re: August 15th 2019 and/or GIMP resizing/crop ideas

by Richard Klein

How do PNG files compare? On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:05 AM Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > doug> I have a topic idea and/OR question-for-list-here+now, but only half > a clue; > I seek the Grail (our group's collective mind meld) on.... > > Resizing/cropping images efficiently w/r/t > ( a) my time to perform the file manipuation, and > (b) efficient+good JPG compression/filesize-shrinking. > > In my nearly-abandoned Windows-OS world, I had/have an obscure tool > ACDSee > which I paid $10-20 for, 25 yrs ago ! (still avail for windows only) > which.... > > --- is very easy/quick to use in my opinion > --- does an easy image rotation if needed > --- does an easy crop-and-save (the main feature for me) > --- magically, without asking about quality/compression? DOES COMPRESS > Very Well: > .... I can crop most images (eg typical smartphone jpg around 4mb > for example, > ........ I can crop most of it and save with a typical result = > 10-20% of original file size = 400-800k > ........... and you wouldn't believe how good the 10%-smaller image > tends to look. > > GIMP can do these, except seems to lack the magical quality of ACDSee for > a downsize. > > while doing GIMP's Crop first, then Export to JPG, GIMP Export asks for a > QUALITY in the 1-100% range, > if I choose 10% I do get a 400k file, but it's grainy as you might expect, > and I wonder how ACDSee does such superior compression with barely any > loss/grainy result. -------doug > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Aug. 9, 2019

Re: August 15th 2019 and/or GIMP resizing/crop ideas

by Doug Mildram

doug> I have a topic idea and/OR question-for-list-here+now, but only half a clue; I seek the Grail (our group's collective mind meld) on.... Resizing/cropping images efficiently w/r/t ( a) my time to perform the file manipuation, and (b) efficient+good JPG compression/filesize-shrinking. In my nearly-abandoned Windows-OS world, I had/have an obscure tool ACDSee which I paid $10-20 for, 25 yrs ago ! (still avail for windows only) which.... --- is very easy/quick to use in my opinion --- does an easy image rotation if needed --- does an easy crop-and-save (the main feature for me) --- magically, without asking about quality/compression? DOES COMPRESS Very Well: .... I can crop most images (eg typical smartphone jpg around 4mb for example, ........ I can crop most of it and save with a typical result = 10-20% of original file size = 400-800k ........... and you wouldn't believe how good the 10%-smaller image tends to look. GIMP can do these, except seems to lack the magical quality of ACDSee for a downsize. while doing GIMP's Crop first, then Export to JPG, GIMP Export asks for a QUALITY in the 1-100% range, if I choose 10% I do get a 400k file, but it's grainy as you might expect, and I wonder how ACDSee does such superior compression with barely any loss/grainy result. -------doug

Aug. 9, 2019

Re: Best place to look for webcam drivers

by John Stoffel

Richard> I picked up a Creative Labs model VF0250 webcam, but V4L Richard> isn't detecting any devices. I googled it and it looks like Richard> gspca supported this model, but it also looks like gspca was Richard> abandoned years ago. Where would you look for answers? I'd probably spin up an old version of Linux which had that driver and see how it works on there. But in reality I'd probably dump it if it's not supported. Just looking on the web I see that Creative hasn't really released any updated drivers. But... looking also on the Linux Kernel 5.3 page, it looks like this might still be supported. https://linuxtv.org/downloads/v4l-dvb-apis/v4l-drivers/gspca-cardlist.html Can you show the output of 'lsusb' when it's hooked into your system? And what exact version of Mint are you running? Install the v4l-utils package and then do: v4l2-ctl --list-devices once you have the USB camera installed and see what it says. John

Aug. 7, 2019

Next Meeting moved to August 15th 2019

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, I'm going to move the meeting to August 15th. If you've got a topic idea, let me know. Otherwise, we can either do an open topic meeting. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 6, 2019

Best place to look for webcam drivers

by Richard Klein

I picked up a Creative Labs model VF0250 webcam, but V4L isn't detecting any devices. I googled it and it looks like gspca supported this model, but it also looks like gspca was abandoned years ago. Where would you look for answers? BTW, this is for Mint.

Aug. 4, 2019

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting Today (July 18th, 2019)

by Richard Klein

I swore I'd get out of work earlier tonight! I'll be leaving Billerica shortly. Hopefully, I'll catch you all still at the Student Center! On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 5:19 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > This is the final reminder that we've got a meeting today! > Date & Time: July 18th 2019 @ 7PM > Location: WPI Student Center Morgan Room > Topic: Pi 4! > > I bought a pi 4 yesterday and I've been poking around with it. I'll bring > it along with a bunch of other pi's! > > Snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off to > dinner! > > Thanks, > Tim Keller > WLUG President > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

July 18, 2019

Reminder: WLUG Meeting Today (July 18th, 2019)

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, This is the final reminder that we've got a meeting today! Date & Time: July 18th 2019 @ 7PM Location: WPI Student Center Morgan Room Topic: Pi 4! I bought a pi 4 yesterday and I've been poking around with it. I'll bring it along with a bunch of other pi's! Snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off to dinner! Thanks, Tim Keller WLUG President -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 18, 2019

WLUG Meeting July 18th 2019 NOTE: Location Change: WPI Campus Center: Morgan Room

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting this Thursday July 18th at 7PM! Location: WPI Campus Center: Morgan Room (main floor hallway to the left of the front desk) Topic: Pi 4 I thought we might talk about the pi 4. I'm going to grab the 1GB version so we'll have a sample device to poke at. I'd really like the 4GB version, but those are a bit hard to find.. I'll have it, plus a pi 3 and an assortment of older pi's as well. As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll head off for dinner to continue to the conversation. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 16, 2019

Next Meeting moved to July 18th 2019

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, I'm moving the meeting down a week since I'll be on vacation next week. The meeting will be on July 18th. I'd love to do a comparison of a pi 4 vs. a pi 3, but buying a 4GB pi 4 is a bit challenging... If someone already has one and could bring it, that would be awesome, if not we'll have to think of a different topic. Yeah, I know you can buy a 1GB/2GB pi 4... but really why would you do that. Thanks, Tim. WLUG President -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 3, 2019

Dual GPU Laptops Experience?

by Dennis Payne

I bought my last laptop from System 76. It's worked well but I was thinking of upgrading. I run Fedora so I wiped the Ubuntu installed by System 76 and haven't had any problems. However my current laptop only has the Intel graphics. The new Gazelle, which is closest to what I have, includes Intel and Nvidia. Anybody have any experience with that setup with Fedora and Wayland? Does it work out of the box? Do you need to install System 76 tools to switch between the different chips? Does Nvidia with Nouveau driver give better performance over Intel? I'm unlikely to install Nvidia's closed source driver. -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://social.freegamedev.net/channel/dulsi

June 28, 2019

Reminder: June WLUG meeting TODAY! Topic: Side Channel Attacks.

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting today, Thursday June 13th at 7PM! Location: WPI Campus Center Mid-Century room (rm 331) aka, the usual haunt. After last meeting we ended up having a side conversation regarding the now multiple side channel attacks that the Intel microarchitecture is vulnerable to. I thought it might be a good time to actually deep dive what these are, why they keep happening, why they're likely to continue and what efforts are being put in to try to mitigate them and the effects these migrations have on performance. As usual snacks and refreshments will be supplied and afterwards we'll head off for dinner to continue the conversation! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 13, 2019

Re: WLUG Meeting June 13th 2019! Topic: Side Channel Attacks

by thinkbrown＠gmail.com

Hey Kevin, WLUG is an open door meeting. If you'd like to attend, you're more than welcome to show up. As far as this months topic, It might also be worth talking about cpu management engines, since they're also a major source of vulnerabilities, as AMD found out this week. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/psptool-amd-secure-technology-psp-firmwar… Logan On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 07:34 Kevin via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I have been on the mailing list a while..... > > I would like to come up a meeting this Jun 13. > > Are there any specifing instructions for a first time visitor? > > > On 6/7/19 9:10 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > Hey Everybody, > > We've got a meeting on Thursday June 13th at 7PM! > Location: WPI Campus Center Mid-Century room (rm 331) aka, the usual haunt. > > After last meeting we ended up having a side conversation regarding the > now multiple side channel attacks that the Intel microarchitecture is > vulnerable to. > > I thought it might be a good time to actually deep dive what these are, > why they keep happening, why they're likely to continue and what efforts > are being put in to try to mitigate them and the effects these migrations > have on performance. > > As usual snacks and refreshments will be supplied and afterwards we'll > head off for dinner to continue the conversation. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

June 8, 2019

Re: WLUG Meeting June 13th 2019! Topic: Side Channel Attacks

by Kevin

I have been on the mailing list a while..... I would like to come up a meeting this Jun 13. Are there any specifing instructions for a first time visitor? On 6/7/19 9:10 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > We've got a meeting on Thursday June 13th at 7PM! > Location: WPI Campus Center Mid-Century room (rm 331) aka, the usual > haunt. > > After last meeting we ended up having a side conversation regarding > the now multiple side channel attacks that the Intel microarchitecture > is vulnerable to. > > I thought it might be a good time to actually deep dive what these > are, why they keep happening, why they're likely to continue and what > efforts are being put in to try to mitigate them and the effects these > migrations have on performance. > > As usual snacks and refreshments will be supplied and afterwards we'll > head off for dinner to continue the conversation. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

June 8, 2019

WLUG Meeting June 13th 2019! Topic: Side Channel Attacks

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting on Thursday June 13th at 7PM! Location: WPI Campus Center Mid-Century room (rm 331) aka, the usual haunt. After last meeting we ended up having a side conversation regarding the now multiple side channel attacks that the Intel microarchitecture is vulnerable to. I thought it might be a good time to actually deep dive what these are, why they keep happening, why they're likely to continue and what efforts are being put in to try to mitigate them and the effects these migrations have on performance. As usual snacks and refreshments will be supplied and afterwards we'll head off for dinner to continue the conversation. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 7, 2019

Sr or Prin Embedded Software Engineer - Linux

by John Spencer

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June 4, 2019

Re: Setting up new monitor

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Tim> It's been my experience that dual, tri and even quad monitor Tim> setups just "work" these days. Though I did hit a funny one the Tim> other day, I had a co-worker who discovered that the the maximum Tim> number of xterms he could have running was ~240. Was that because he's hit some sort of limit on the number of open file descriptors for his login, or something like that? Can you give us more details on this issue? First I've ever heard of it and I'm a big big xterm user. :-) I like minimal terminals that don't waste screen real estate. Tim> I pointed out that gterm/mterm or any of the other tabable Tim> terminals don't suffer this limitation but he's old school and Tim> wants to use xterm... It should be noted he also actively uses Tim> more than 36 desktop pages as well where these windows were Tim> strewn across. He must cry when his session gets logged out and he has to rebuild all his setup work, even if it does snapshot all those terminal windows, etc. I'm just amazed at that level of keeping track of windows....

May 30, 2019

Re: Setting up new monitor

by Tim Keller

It's been my experience that dual, tri and even quad monitor setups just "work" these days. Though I did hit a funny one the other day, I had a co-worker who discovered that the the maximum number of xterms he could have running was ~240. I pointed out that gterm/mterm or any of the other tabable terminals don't suffer this limitation but he's old school and wants to use xterm... It should be noted he also actively uses more than 36 desktop pages as well where these windows were strewn across. On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 6:47 AM Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Restarting the display manager fixed it. > > On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 8:26 PM Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> > wrote: > >> I picked up a free monitor today, a Samsung S24C230L. The native >> resolution is 1920x1080, and it's connected via DVI. The existing monitor >> has a native resolution of 1680x1050 and is plugged into the analog VGA >> port. The NVIDIA X Server Settings seem to agree, so what's up with the >> display on the second monitor? >> https://photos.app.goo.gl/M1R9MQnDMCaD7qca6 >> When I try saving the X Configuration File, it warns me that I should use >> relative positioning for the second display, instead of absolute >> positioning. Maybe that's the problem, but I can't find that setting >> anywhere. >> >> Got any ideas? >> >> -- >> Rich >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 30, 2019

Re: Setting up new monitor

by Richard Klein

Restarting the display manager fixed it. On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 8:26 PM Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > I picked up a free monitor today, a Samsung S24C230L. The native > resolution is 1920x1080, and it's connected via DVI. The existing monitor > has a native resolution of 1680x1050 and is plugged into the analog VGA > port. The NVIDIA X Server Settings seem to agree, so what's up with the > display on the second monitor? > https://photos.app.goo.gl/M1R9MQnDMCaD7qca6 > When I try saving the X Configuration File, it warns me that I should use > relative positioning for the second display, instead of absolute > positioning. Maybe that's the problem, but I can't find that setting > anywhere. > > Got any ideas? > > -- > Rich >

May 29, 2019

Setting up new monitor

by Richard Klein

I picked up a free monitor today, a Samsung S24C230L. The native resolution is 1920x1080, and it's connected via DVI. The existing monitor has a native resolution of 1680x1050 and is plugged into the analog VGA port. The NVIDIA X Server Settings seem to agree, so what's up with the display on the second monitor? https://photos.app.goo.gl/M1R9MQnDMCaD7qca6 When I try saving the X Configuration File, it warns me that I should use relative positioning for the second display, instead of absolute positioning. Maybe that's the problem, but I can't find that setting anywhere. Got any ideas? -- Rich

May 29, 2019

Re: PCSX2

by Dennis Payne

I started to wonder if maybe I'm not thinking about this with a eye to the future. Maintaining this will be difficult. I decided to take a look on flathub.org. It does have a flatpak for pcsx2. https://flathub.org/apps/details/net.pcsx2.PCSX2 It is listed as 1.5.0-dev. The playstation 2 bios files needed to moved to a different location. It runs about the same as the regular version. Steambot Chronicles doesn't run at full speed on my computer (about ~50% PS2 speed). The flatpak version may have been a percent or two behind but hard to say for certain. I did have problems installing it. Following the instructions on the site didn't work. The repository is added in my Gnome Software but clicking on install gave an error "Failed to install file: not supported". Not sure why that is. I ended up using the command line. flatpak install flathub net.pcsx2.PCSX2 On Sat, 2019-05-18 at 14:35 -0400, Dennis Payne via WLUG wrote: > Before the meeting on games, I tested pcsx2 thinking maybe I could > show it. However, it was removed from rpmfusion in Fedora 30. PCSX2 > is playstation 2 emulator. I have a working PS2 but the He-Man game > was only released in Europe and it is region locked. The emulator > finally allowed me to try the game. Since I didn't like losing that > ability I've rebuilt the pcsx2 package for Fedora 30. > > http://identicalsoftware.com/dulsi/lzma-libs-4.32.7-21.fc30.i686.rpm > http://identicalsoftware.com/dulsi/pcsx2-1.4-11.fc30.i686.rpm > > The src rpms are exactly the same as the files from fedora and > rpmfusion. I cheated a bit in compiling the pcsx2 package. It had > some errors with system headers files. Rather than create a patch to > make it compile, I hacked the system header files. (It was a throw > away VM because pcsx2 can't compile in 64 bit.) > > Feel free to grab it if you want to play PS2 games. > > -- > Dennis Payne > dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com > https://social.freegamedev.net/channel/dulsi > > _______________________________________________WLUG mailing list -- > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

May 21, 2019

PCSX2

by Dennis Payne

Before the meeting on games, I tested pcsx2 thinking maybe I could show it. However, it was removed from rpmfusion in Fedora 30. PCSX2 is playstation 2 emulator. I have a working PS2 but the He-Man game was only released in Europe and it is region locked. The emulator finally allowed me to try the game. Since I didn't like losing that ability I've rebuilt the pcsx2 package for Fedora 30. http://identicalsoftware.com/dulsi/lzma-libs-4.32.7-21.fc30.i686.rpm http://identicalsoftware.com/dulsi/pcsx2-1.4-11.fc30.i686.rpm The src rpms are exactly the same as the files from fedora and rpmfusion. I cheated a bit in compiling the pcsx2 package. It had some errors with system headers files. Rather than create a patch to make it compile, I hacked the system header files. (It was a throw away VM because pcsx2 can't compile in 64 bit.) Feel free to grab it if you want to play PS2 games. -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://social.freegamedev.net/channel/dulsi

May 18, 2019

Sandbox tower defense game

by Richard Klein

This looks similar to Factorio (which Tim showed us) to me: Mindustry - https://anuke.itch.io/mindustry -- Rich

May 18, 2019

Gaming on Linux

by Richard Klein

Does anyone have a favorite tower defense game? Has anyone come across something like World of Tanks for Linux (preferably something that doesn't require WINE or Vulkan)? I was pleased to find Minecraft was in my default repositories. I installed it, but haven't tried it yet. -- Rich

May 18, 2019

Re: WLUG Meeting TODAY!! Topic: Linux Gaming!

by Levasseur, Kenneth

Yea...CC is locked as well, anyone get in? Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 3:02:13 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion Cc: Tim Keller; Dennis Payne Subject: [WLUG] Re: WLUG Meeting TODAY!! Topic: Linux Gaming! It's been a really long time since I've attended or been on WPI campus. Where should we park? On Thu, 2019-05-16 at 09:36 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting today!! Date: May 16th, 2019 Time: 7pm Location: WPI Campus Center Mid Century Room (rm 331) Topic: Linux Gaming This month we'll be talking about Linux Gaming! I will be attending! I plan do demo using Lutris. If others would like to demo games on linux feel free to show them off. As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for dinner. Thanks, Tim. _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to <mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

May 16, 2019

Re: WLUG Meeting TODAY!! Topic: Linux Gaming!

by Dennis Payne

It's been a really long time since I've attended or been on WPI campus. Where should we park? On Thu, 2019-05-16 at 09:36 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Everybody! > We've got a meeting today!! > Date: May 16th, 2019 > Time: 7pm > Location: WPI Campus Center Mid Century Room (rm 331) > Topic: Linux Gaming > > This month we'll be talking about Linux Gaming! I will be attending! > > I plan do demo using Lutris. If others would like to demo games on > linux feel free to show them off. > > As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards > we'll head off for dinner. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > _______________________________________________WLUG mailing list -- > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

May 16, 2019

WLUG Meeting TODAY!! Topic: Linux Gaming!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting today!! Date: May 16th, 2019 Time: 7pm Location: WPI Campus Center Mid Century Room (rm 331) Topic: Linux Gaming This month we'll be talking about Linux Gaming! I will be attending! I plan do demo using Lutris. If others would like to demo games on linux feel free to show them off. As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for dinner. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 16, 2019

WLUG Meeting on May 16th at 7pm! Topic: Linux Gaming!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting this week! Date: May 16th, 2019 Time: 7pm Location: WPI Campus Center Mid Century Room (rm 331) Topic: Linux Gaming This month we'll be talking about Linux Gaming! I may or may not be able to make it. My wife will be out of town so we'll see... If I do make it I plan do demo using Lutris. If others would like to demo games on linux feel free to show them off. As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for dinner. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 14, 2019

Re: Intel's Clear Linux OS Project

by Tim Keller

That's cool. I saw this: https://peppermintos.com/ I'm writing the meeting reminder now... On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 6:17 AM Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > This is the first I've heard of Clear Linux. > > https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/05/13/its-time-to-pay-atte… > > -- > Rich > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 14, 2019

Intel's Clear Linux OS Project

by Richard Klein

This is the first I've heard of Clear Linux. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/05/13/its-time-to-pay-atte… -- Rich

May 14, 2019