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Re: [Wlug] Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11

by Mike Frysinger

On Thursday 14 October 2004 07:52 pm, Arturo wrote: > Cool, > If there are any left I would love g-mail account as well! sent ... i still got 4 left (i dont have any friends :() -mike

Oct. 15, 2004

Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11

by Arturo

Cool, If there are any left I would love g-mail account as well! Arturo On 10/14/04 10:43 AM, "wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org" <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: gmail invites (Brett Russ) > 2. Re: gmail invites (JONATHAN BEALL) > 3. RE: gmail invites (Don Peterson) > 4. Re: gmail invites (Casey Rankin) > 5. Re: gmail invites (Casey Rankin) > 6. RE: NFS question (Don Peterson) > 7. mountng a pen drive (usb) (Walt Sawyer) > 8. RE: NFS question (Jeff Moyer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:46:08 -0400 > From: Brett Russ <icycle(a)charter.net> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <416E6700.5080302(a)charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Micheal Bonner wrote: > >> I will Take one if you are handing them out please ... I would love to >> have one .. thanks. just Email what I need to do personal .. if not .. >> then thank you anyway > > Sent! > BR > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:48:54 -0400 > From: "JONATHAN BEALL" <joncbeall(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <BAY2-F41nrrXj7gC2DW00009215(a)hotmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://paramount.ind.wpi.edu/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20041014/8e909c59/a… > chment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:13:18 -0400 > From: "Don Peterson" <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> > Subject: RE: [Wlug] gmail invites > To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <C410352A9903E540B8FBE58DAEDDC0916F162D(a)shomail2k.sterilite.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I would love one too if you guys have any left. > Thanx in advance... > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Brett Russ > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:49 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > > Minkov, Ross wrote: > >> I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? >> >> >> > Sent! > BR > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:20:43 -0400 > From: Casey Rankin <caseyrankin(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <cd5bf44b041014062073122d74(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > sent. > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:48:54 -0400, JONATHAN BEALL > <joncbeall(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> if anyone has an extra it would be greatly appreciated, hotmail is killing >> me lately. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Jonathan Beall >> >> >>> From: Micheal Bonner <BiggDaddyCool(a)peoplepc.com> >>> Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites >>> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:03:03 -0400 >> >> >>> >>> Minkov, Ross wrote: >>> >>>> I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Ross >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Chuck Haines >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:28 PM >>>> To: Worcester Linux Users Group >>>> Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites >>>> >>>> >>>> Yea, I got 8 of them. >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:42:12 -0400, Mike Frysinger >>>> <vapier(a)gentoo.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Wednesday 15 September 2004 06:35 pm, Brett Russ wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I have some to distribute. FCFS, serious inquiries only :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> yeah, i got 6 spare ones too >>>>> -mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I will Take one if you are handing them out please ... I would love >>>> to have one .. thanks. just Email what I need to do personal .. if >>>> not .. then thank you anyway >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:21:27 -0400 > From: Casey Rankin <caseyrankin(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <cd5bf44b041014062112a4e152(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > sent. > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:13:18 -0400, Don Peterson > <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> wrote: >> I would love one too if you guys have any left. >> Thanx in advance... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On >> Behalf Of Brett Russ >> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:49 PM >> To: Worcester Linux Users Group >> Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites >> >> Minkov, Ross wrote: >> >>> I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? >>> >>> >>> >> Sent! >> BR >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:24:49 -0400 > From: "Don Peterson" <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> > Subject: RE: [Wlug] NFS question > To: <jmoyer(a)redhat.com>, "Worcester Linux Users Group" > <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <C410352A9903E540B8FBE58DAEDDC0916F165D(a)shomail2k.sterilite.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Jeff, > Thanx for the continued feedback and suggestions, RHCM sounds cool > but, I've read through some of the bug tracks on it and it sounds like > there are some bad corruption problems when using it. It also sounds > like there can be a considerable lag in the time it takes for the shares > to come up on the secondary server. Are there many people using this in > a production environment? > Thanx, > Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Jeff Moyer > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:48 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: RE: [Wlug] NFS question > > ==> Regarding RE: [Wlug] NFS question; "John Stoffel" > <stoffel(a)lucent.com> adds: > > Don> Thanx for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use the Red Hat > Don> GFS, it requires v3.0 and we cannot upgrade to that yet. > > stoffel> Since it's open source, can't you get it from > stoffel> http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ and see if it will > stoffel> install on your systems? > > Sounds like he wants a supported solution. > > Don> I have been pushing for it, but Oracle won't give me an definite > Don> answer as to whether their apps are certified for RH 3.0. > > stoffel> That's silly, but very understandable. From looking at your > stoffel> corp website, I can see why you're interested in only deploying > > stoffel> supportable systems, esp in such a production environment. > > Don> We could go with Veritas' Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC, but > Don> that would require considerable change, and no one here knows the > software. > Don> For the time being I'll probably have to go with a NAS device and > Don> make it as redundant as possible. > > stoffel> I know Veritas. :] And I'm looking for a job. :] Well, I know > > stoffel> VxVM/VxFS quite well and I've been exposed to their Clustering > stoffel> software as well. Good stuff all around. > > stoffel> But that doesn't solve the question here, which is how to get a > > stoffel> good reliable NFS file storage (would the storage be on the > stoffel> SAN, or local to the server) for a good price. > > stoffel> Here's a thought, but a pair of cheap 2U servers and install > stoffel> RHEL 3.0 along with the GFS filesystem and clustering software. > > stoffel> Export via NFS to the other servers. If one node goes down, > stoffel> you've got a backup and failover. And it would give you > stoffel> exposure/experience with RHEL 3.0, GFS and clustering so you > stoffel> would be working to migrate the Oracle instances to the same > stoffel> type of setup down the road. > > If you only need to server NFS, then you can do this without GFS. You > can use GFS, and it will mean that clients can mount from either server, > but it sounds like overkill for this case. You simply want failover of > NFS filesystems, and that can be accomplished quite easily with AS 2.1 > and RHCM. In fact, you can probably work this into your existing > environment without buying any more hardware (and I think without > purchasing new software licenses, too). > > -Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:55:05 -0400 > From: Walt Sawyer <wsawyer(a)norfolk-county.com> > Subject: [Wlug] mountng a pen drive (usb) > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <1097762105.2591.9.camel(a)localhost.localdomain> > Content-Type: text/plain > > How do I get my SanDisk cruzer mini 256 mb pen drive to mount on my > Fedora Core 2 laptop? > Thanks in advance > Walt > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:09:56 -0400 > From: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> > Subject: RE: [Wlug] NFS question > To: "Don Peterson" <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> > Cc: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <16750.34996.638953.41770(a)segfault.boston.redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > ==> Regarding RE: [Wlug] NFS question; "Don Peterson" > <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> adds: > > dpeterson> Jeff, Thanx for the continued feedback and suggestions, RHCM > dpeterson> sounds cool but, I've read through some of the bug tracks on it > dpeterson> and it sounds like there are some bad corruption problems when > dpeterson> using it. It also sounds like there can be a considerable lag > dpeterson> in the time it takes for the shares to come up on the secondary > dpeterson> server. Are there many people using this in a production > dpeterson> environment? > > Are you certain you are looking at the right product? In bugzilla, query > Product: Red Hat Enterprise Linux > Version: 2.1AS > Component: clumanager > > There are no open bugs. You are probably looking at the clustering > infrastructure related to GFS, which is a very new offerring for Red Hat. > > There are at least hundreds of deployments of AS2.1 and clumanager. As for > the lag, it is, of course, configurable (at least it was last I worked on > it, several years ago). There are a couple of components to this, of > course. First, how long does it take to detect a failure, and second, how > long does it take for application/filesystem recovery. Using a journaled > filesystem, you will see fairly quick recovery times on that end. To > simply failover NFS, you won't be looking at too much overhead. > > The one hardware component you may need to buy would be a fencing device. > > Hope this helps. > > -Jeff > > dpeterson> -----Original Message----- > From> wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > dpeterson> Behalf Of Jeff Moyer > Sent> Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:48 PM > To> Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject> RE: [Wlug] NFS question > > ==> Regarding RE: [Wlug] NFS question; "John Stoffel" >>> stoffel(a)lucent.com> adds: > > Don> Thanx for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use the Red Hat GFS, > Don> it requires v3.0 and we cannot upgrade to that yet. > > stoffel> Since it's open source, can't you get it from > stoffel> http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ and see if it will install > stoffel> on your systems? > > dpeterson> Sounds like he wants a supported solution. > > Don> I have been pushing for it, but Oracle won't give me an definite > Don> answer as to whether their apps are certified for RH 3.0. > > stoffel> That's silly, but very understandable. From looking at your corp > stoffel> website, I can see why you're interested in only deploying > > stoffel> supportable systems, esp in such a production environment. > > Don> We could go with Veritas' Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC, but that > Don> would require considerable change, and no one here knows the > dpeterson> software. > Don> For the time being I'll probably have to go with a NAS device and make > Don> it as redundant as possible. > > stoffel> I know Veritas. :] And I'm looking for a job. :] Well, I know > > stoffel> VxVM/VxFS quite well and I've been exposed to their Clustering > stoffel> software as well. Good stuff all around. > > stoffel> But that doesn't solve the question here, which is how to get a > > stoffel> good reliable NFS file storage (would the storage be on the SAN, > stoffel> or local to the server) for a good price. > > stoffel> Here's a thought, but a pair of cheap 2U servers and install RHEL > stoffel> 3.0 along with the GFS filesystem and clustering software. > > stoffel> Export via NFS to the other servers. If one node goes down, > stoffel> you've got a backup and failover. And it would give you > stoffel> exposure/experience with RHEL 3.0, GFS and clustering so you would > stoffel> be working to migrate the Oracle instances to the same type of > stoffel> setup down the road. > > dpeterson> If you only need to server NFS, then you can do this without > dpeterson> GFS. You can use GFS, and it will mean that clients can mount > dpeterson> from either server, but it sounds like overkill for this case. > dpeterson> You simply want failover of NFS filesystems, and that can be > dpeterson> accomplished quite easily with AS 2.1 and RHCM. In fact, you > dpeterson> can probably work this into your existing environment without > dpeterson> buying any more hardware (and I think without purchasing new > dpeterson> software licenses, too). > > dpeterson> -Jeff _______________________________________________ Wlug > dpeterson> mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http> //mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11 > ************************************ >

Oct. 14, 2004

Re: Knoppix install question

by Patrick Sawyer

Jumped the gun. Found it On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:17:55 -0400, Patrick Sawyer <patricksawyer(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Howdy, > Thanks to everyone who helped with the linux install at the Worcester > Computer Co Op. We got alot done. Im working on the "problem children" > right now. > > what was the process for running the install script in knoppix? > > p >

Oct. 14, 2004

Knoppix install question

by Patrick Sawyer

Howdy, Thanks to everyone who helped with the linux install at the Worcester Computer Co Op. We got alot done. Im working on the "problem children" right now. what was the process for running the install script in knoppix? p

Oct. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] mounting a pen drive (usb)

by Gregory Avedissian

SuSE 9.1 will automatically mount and unmount a pen drive, floppy disk or cd. I haven't yet figured out how it does that. Greg Ryan Caron wrote: > Assuming you do not have any other usb devices hooked up to your laptop, > adding the following line to your /etc/fstab will allow you to mount and > use your pen drive as a non-root user: > > /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 vfat user,noauto,exec 0 0 > > Using this method, you will have to type "mount /mnt/sda1" when you insert > it and "umount /mnt/sda1" when you are done. > > I cannot stress how important it is to unmount! Failure to do so will > either leave your pen drive without the changes you made or with data > corruption (I know this from experience) > > If anybody knows of a way for linux to mount automatically do this I am > all ears (switching the noauto parameter to auto doesn't do the trick). > > Sincerely, > Ryan Caron > > > >>Message: 7 >>Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:55:05 -0400 >>From: Walt Sawyer <wsawyer(a)norfolk-county.com> >>Subject: [Wlug] mountng a pen drive (usb) >>To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>Message-ID: <1097762105.2591.9.camel(a)localhost.localdomain> >>Content-Type: text/plain >> >>How do I get my SanDisk cruzer mini 256 mb pen drive to mount on my >>Fedora Core 2 laptop? >>Thanks in advance >>Walt > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] mounting a pen drive (usb)

by Ryan Caron

Assuming you do not have any other usb devices hooked up to your laptop, adding the following line to your /etc/fstab will allow you to mount and use your pen drive as a non-root user: /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 vfat user,noauto,exec 0 0 Using this method, you will have to type "mount /mnt/sda1" when you insert it and "umount /mnt/sda1" when you are done. I cannot stress how important it is to unmount! Failure to do so will either leave your pen drive without the changes you made or with data corruption (I know this from experience) If anybody knows of a way for linux to mount automatically do this I am all ears (switching the noauto parameter to auto doesn't do the trick). Sincerely, Ryan Caron > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:55:05 -0400 > From: Walt Sawyer <wsawyer(a)norfolk-county.com> > Subject: [Wlug] mountng a pen drive (usb) > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <1097762105.2591.9.camel(a)localhost.localdomain> > Content-Type: text/plain > > How do I get my SanDisk cruzer mini 256 mb pen drive to mount on my > Fedora Core 2 laptop? > Thanks in advance > Walt

Oct. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] mountng a pen drive (usb)

by Gina Minks

= How do I get my SanDisk cruzer mini 256 mb pen drive to mount on my Fedora Core 2 laptop? Check to see if the pen has already been recognized by hotplug by checking for an entry in /etc/fstab If there is not an entry there, check to see if the OS recognizes the pen. Lots of places to check.. cat /etc/proc/scsi/scsi you should see: Attached devices: Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: SanDisk Model: Cruzer Mini Rev: 0.1 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 or look for it in dmesg: dmesg | grep San Vendor: SanDisk Model: Cruzer Mini Rev: 0.1 or in /etc/sysconfig/hwconf: grep San hwconf desc: "SanDisk Corporation Cruzer Mini" usbmfr: SanDisk Corporation desc: "Sandisk Cruzer Mini" If the OS recognizes the pen, most likely updfstab does not have an entry for it. For RH9, entries for updfstab are in /etc/updfstab.conf.default This is the file hotplug uses to know what to write to the fstab file so you can mount the pen. I added an entry to the "flash" stanza: device flash { partition 1 match hd CompactFlash match hd ImageMate match hd SanDisk match hd "USB Drive" Once you add that, look in the fstab file to see if hotplug worked. You will still have to mount it, it should show up as /mnt/flash -Gina _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug ============================================================

Oct. 14, 2004

RE: [Wlug] NFS question

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding RE: [Wlug] NFS question; "Don Peterson" <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> adds: dpeterson> Jeff, Thanx for the continued feedback and suggestions, RHCM dpeterson> sounds cool but, I've read through some of the bug tracks on it dpeterson> and it sounds like there are some bad corruption problems when dpeterson> using it. It also sounds like there can be a considerable lag dpeterson> in the time it takes for the shares to come up on the secondary dpeterson> server. Are there many people using this in a production dpeterson> environment? Are you certain you are looking at the right product? In bugzilla, query Product: Red Hat Enterprise Linux Version: 2.1AS Component: clumanager There are no open bugs. You are probably looking at the clustering infrastructure related to GFS, which is a very new offerring for Red Hat. There are at least hundreds of deployments of AS2.1 and clumanager. As for the lag, it is, of course, configurable (at least it was last I worked on it, several years ago). There are a couple of components to this, of course. First, how long does it take to detect a failure, and second, how long does it take for application/filesystem recovery. Using a journaled filesystem, you will see fairly quick recovery times on that end. To simply failover NFS, you won't be looking at too much overhead. The one hardware component you may need to buy would be a fencing device. Hope this helps. -Jeff dpeterson> -----Original Message----- From> wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On dpeterson> Behalf Of Jeff Moyer Sent> Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:48 PM To> Worcester Linux Users Group Subject> RE: [Wlug] NFS question ==> Regarding RE: [Wlug] NFS question; "John Stoffel" >> stoffel(a)lucent.com> adds: Don> Thanx for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use the Red Hat GFS, Don> it requires v3.0 and we cannot upgrade to that yet. stoffel> Since it's open source, can't you get it from stoffel> http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ and see if it will install stoffel> on your systems? dpeterson> Sounds like he wants a supported solution. Don> I have been pushing for it, but Oracle won't give me an definite Don> answer as to whether their apps are certified for RH 3.0. stoffel> That's silly, but very understandable. From looking at your corp stoffel> website, I can see why you're interested in only deploying stoffel> supportable systems, esp in such a production environment. Don> We could go with Veritas' Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC, but that Don> would require considerable change, and no one here knows the dpeterson> software. Don> For the time being I'll probably have to go with a NAS device and make Don> it as redundant as possible. stoffel> I know Veritas. :] And I'm looking for a job. :] Well, I know stoffel> VxVM/VxFS quite well and I've been exposed to their Clustering stoffel> software as well. Good stuff all around. stoffel> But that doesn't solve the question here, which is how to get a stoffel> good reliable NFS file storage (would the storage be on the SAN, stoffel> or local to the server) for a good price. stoffel> Here's a thought, but a pair of cheap 2U servers and install RHEL stoffel> 3.0 along with the GFS filesystem and clustering software. stoffel> Export via NFS to the other servers. If one node goes down, stoffel> you've got a backup and failover. And it would give you stoffel> exposure/experience with RHEL 3.0, GFS and clustering so you would stoffel> be working to migrate the Oracle instances to the same type of stoffel> setup down the road. dpeterson> If you only need to server NFS, then you can do this without dpeterson> GFS. You can use GFS, and it will mean that clients can mount dpeterson> from either server, but it sounds like overkill for this case. dpeterson> You simply want failover of NFS filesystems, and that can be dpeterson> accomplished quite easily with AS 2.1 and RHCM. In fact, you dpeterson> can probably work this into your existing environment without dpeterson> buying any more hardware (and I think without purchasing new dpeterson> software licenses, too). dpeterson> -Jeff _______________________________________________ Wlug dpeterson> mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http> //mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 14, 2004

mountng a pen drive (usb)

by Walt Sawyer

How do I get my SanDisk cruzer mini 256 mb pen drive to mount on my Fedora Core 2 laptop? Thanks in advance Walt

Oct. 14, 2004

RE: [Wlug] NFS question

by Don Peterson

Jeff, Thanx for the continued feedback and suggestions, RHCM sounds cool but, I've read through some of the bug tracks on it and it sounds like there are some bad corruption problems when using it. It also sounds like there can be a considerable lag in the time it takes for the shares to come up on the secondary server. Are there many people using this in a production environment? Thanx, Don -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Moyer Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:48 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: RE: [Wlug] NFS question ==> Regarding RE: [Wlug] NFS question; "John Stoffel" <stoffel(a)lucent.com> adds: Don> Thanx for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use the Red Hat Don> GFS, it requires v3.0 and we cannot upgrade to that yet. stoffel> Since it's open source, can't you get it from stoffel> http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ and see if it will stoffel> install on your systems? Sounds like he wants a supported solution. Don> I have been pushing for it, but Oracle won't give me an definite Don> answer as to whether their apps are certified for RH 3.0. stoffel> That's silly, but very understandable. From looking at your stoffel> corp website, I can see why you're interested in only deploying stoffel> supportable systems, esp in such a production environment. Don> We could go with Veritas' Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC, but Don> that would require considerable change, and no one here knows the software. Don> For the time being I'll probably have to go with a NAS device and Don> make it as redundant as possible. stoffel> I know Veritas. :] And I'm looking for a job. :] Well, I know stoffel> VxVM/VxFS quite well and I've been exposed to their Clustering stoffel> software as well. Good stuff all around. stoffel> But that doesn't solve the question here, which is how to get a stoffel> good reliable NFS file storage (would the storage be on the stoffel> SAN, or local to the server) for a good price. stoffel> Here's a thought, but a pair of cheap 2U servers and install stoffel> RHEL 3.0 along with the GFS filesystem and clustering software. stoffel> Export via NFS to the other servers. If one node goes down, stoffel> you've got a backup and failover. And it would give you stoffel> exposure/experience with RHEL 3.0, GFS and clustering so you stoffel> would be working to migrate the Oracle instances to the same stoffel> type of setup down the road. If you only need to server NFS, then you can do this without GFS. You can use GFS, and it will mean that clients can mount from either server, but it sounds like overkill for this case. You simply want failover of NFS filesystems, and that can be accomplished quite easily with AS 2.1 and RHCM. In fact, you can probably work this into your existing environment without buying any more hardware (and I think without purchasing new software licenses, too). -Jeff _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] gmail invites

by Casey Rankin

sent. On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:13:18 -0400, Don Peterson <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> wrote: > I would love one too if you guys have any left. > Thanx in advance... > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Brett Russ > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:49 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > > Minkov, Ross wrote: > > >I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? > > > > > > > Sent! > BR > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Oct. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] gmail invites

by Casey Rankin

sent. On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:48:54 -0400, JONATHAN BEALL <joncbeall(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > if anyone has an extra it would be greatly appreciated, hotmail is killing > me lately. > > Thank you, > > Jonathan Beall > > > >From: Micheal Bonner <BiggDaddyCool(a)peoplepc.com> > >Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > >Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:03:03 -0400 > > > > > >Minkov, Ross wrote: > > > >>I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? > >> > >>Thanks, > >>Ross > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > >>[mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > >>Behalf Of Chuck Haines > >>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:28 PM > >>To: Worcester Linux Users Group > >>Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > >> > >> > >>Yea, I got 8 of them. > >> > >>Chuck > >> > >> > >>On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:42:12 -0400, Mike Frysinger > >><vapier(a)gentoo.org> > >>wrote: > >> > >> > >>>On Wednesday 15 September 2004 06:35 pm, Brett Russ wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>I have some to distribute. FCFS, serious inquiries only :-) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>yeah, i got 6 spare ones too > >>>-mike > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Wlug mailing list > >>>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >>>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>I will Take one if you are handing them out please ... I would love > >>to have one .. thanks. just Email what I need to do personal .. if > >>not .. then thank you anyway > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Oct. 14, 2004

RE: [Wlug] gmail invites

by Don Peterson

I would love one too if you guys have any left. Thanx in advance... -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Brett Russ Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:49 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites Minkov, Ross wrote: >I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? > > > Sent! BR _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] gmail invites

by JONATHAN BEALL

Oct. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] gmail invites

by Brett Russ

Micheal Bonner wrote: > I will Take one if you are handing them out please ... I would love to > have one .. thanks. just Email what I need to do personal .. if not .. > then thank you anyway Sent! BR

Oct. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] gmail invites

by Micheal Bonner

Minkov, Ross wrote: >I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? > >Thanks, >Ross > >-----Original Message----- >From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On >Behalf Of Chuck Haines >Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:28 PM >To: Worcester Linux Users Group >Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > > >Yea, I got 8 of them. > >Chuck > > >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:42:12 -0400, Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> >wrote: > > >>On Wednesday 15 September 2004 06:35 pm, Brett Russ wrote: >> >> >>>I have some to distribute. FCFS, serious inquiries only :-) >>> >>> >>yeah, i got 6 spare ones too >>-mike >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >I will Take one if you are handing them out please ... I would love to have one .. thanks. just Email what I need to do personal .. if not .. then thank you anyway > > > > >

Oct. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] gmail invites

by Mike Frysinger

On Wednesday 13 October 2004 11:42 pm, Minkov, Ross wrote: > I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? sent, have fun ;) -mike

Oct. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] gmail invites

by Brett Russ

Minkov, Ross wrote: >I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? > > > Sent! BR

Oct. 14, 2004

RE: [Wlug] gmail invites

by Minkov, Ross

I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? Thanks, Ross -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Haines Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:28 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites Yea, I got 8 of them. Chuck On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:42:12 -0400, Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > On Wednesday 15 September 2004 06:35 pm, Brett Russ wrote: > > I have some to distribute. FCFS, serious inquiries only :-) > > yeah, i got 6 spare ones too > -mike > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 14, 2004

RE: [Wlug] NFS question

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding RE: [Wlug] NFS question; "John Stoffel" <stoffel(a)lucent.com> adds: Don> Thanx for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use the Red Hat GFS, Don> it requires v3.0 and we cannot upgrade to that yet. stoffel> Since it's open source, can't you get it from stoffel> http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ and see if it will install on stoffel> your systems? Sounds like he wants a supported solution. Don> I have been pushing for it, but Oracle won't give me an definite Don> answer as to whether their apps are certified for RH 3.0. stoffel> That's silly, but very understandable. From looking at your corp stoffel> website, I can see why you're interested in only deploying stoffel> supportable systems, esp in such a production environment. Don> We could go with Veritas' Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC, but that Don> would require considerable change, and no one here knows the software. Don> For the time being I'll probably have to go with a NAS device and make Don> it as redundant as possible. stoffel> I know Veritas. :] And I'm looking for a job. :] Well, I know stoffel> VxVM/VxFS quite well and I've been exposed to their Clustering stoffel> software as well. Good stuff all around. stoffel> But that doesn't solve the question here, which is how to get a stoffel> good reliable NFS file storage (would the storage be on the SAN, stoffel> or local to the server) for a good price. stoffel> Here's a thought, but a pair of cheap 2U servers and install RHEL stoffel> 3.0 along with the GFS filesystem and clustering software. Export stoffel> via NFS to the other servers. If one node goes down, you've got a stoffel> backup and failover. And it would give you exposure/experience stoffel> with RHEL 3.0, GFS and clustering so you would be working to stoffel> migrate the Oracle instances to the same type of setup down the stoffel> road. If you only need to server NFS, then you can do this without GFS. You can use GFS, and it will mean that clients can mount from either server, but it sounds like overkill for this case. You simply want failover of NFS filesystems, and that can be accomplished quite easily with AS 2.1 and RHCM. In fact, you can probably work this into your existing environment without buying any more hardware (and I think without purchasing new software licenses, too). -Jeff

Oct. 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] NFS question

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Jeff" == Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> writes: Jeff> Don, are you able to use OCFS? If not, you could at least Jeff> cluster the NFS server with 2 RHEL boxes. I believe this will Jeff> be cheaper than buying a redundant NAS (and serves precisely the Jeff> same purpose). In fact, I believe that the cluster software was Jeff> included in the AS2.1 license. This is too funny, I didn't even see this reply before I wrote the other one suggesting just this type of idea. Heh! Since you can buy 2U boxes with a bunch of mirrored storage four around 3k/per, you should be able to setup a cluster providing NFS services to the other hosts pretty cheaply and quickly. John

Oct. 13, 2004

RE: [Wlug] NFS question

by John Stoffel

Don> Thanx for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use the Red Hat Don> GFS, it requires v3.0 and we cannot upgrade to that yet. Since it's open source, can't you get it from http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ and see if it will install on your systems? Don> I have been pushing for it, but Oracle won't give me an definite Don> answer as to whether their apps are certified for RH 3.0. That's silly, but very understandable. From looking at your corp website, I can see why you're interested in only deploying supportable systems, esp in such a production environment. Don> We could go with Veritas' Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC, but Don> that would require considerable change, and no one here knows the Don> software. For the time being I'll probably have to go with a NAS Don> device and make it as redundant as possible. I know Veritas. :] And I'm looking for a job. :] Well, I know VxVM/VxFS quite well and I've been exposed to their Clustering software as well. Good stuff all around. But that doesn't solve the question here, which is how to get a good reliable NFS file storage (would the storage be on the SAN, or local to the server) for a good price. Here's a thought, but a pair of cheap 2U servers and install RHEL 3.0 along with the GFS filesystem and clustering software. Export via NFS to the other servers. If one node goes down, you've got a backup and failover. And it would give you exposure/experience with RHEL 3.0, GFS and clustering so you would be working to migrate the Oracle instances to the same type of setup down the road. John

Oct. 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] NFS question

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] NFS question; "John Stoffel" <stoffel(a)lucent.com> adds: Don> I have an Oracle 9i RAC set up consisting of 3 database servers, two Don> apps servers and an EMC Clarion CX700 SAN. The servers are all Don> running Red Hat 2.1, the db servers are at kernel .34 and the apps Don> servers are at .49. I have 5 nfs mount points shared out by the first Don> database server. stoffel> This is the problem, the fact that you're using NFS in a clustered stoffel> environment. Have you looked into using a Cluster Filesystem for stoffel> your needs? Some options would be: stoffel> http://www.redhat.com/software/rha/gfs/ stoffel> It even mentions Oracle 9i in the blurb. Don, are you able to use OCFS? If not, you could at least cluster the NFS server with 2 RHEL boxes. I believe this will be cheaper than buying a redundant NAS (and serves precisely the same purpose). In fact, I believe that the cluster software was included in the AS2.1 license. Don> One mount point is for logs from the database servers (only they Don> connect to it), stoffel> Why do they all need to log to one filesystem? Can't they log stoffel> locally and if you want to aggregate the logs, you could rsync stoffel> them hourly from the servers to a central log host. Don> and the others are for miscellaneous files and storage. We have been Don> doing failover testing, shutting down a database server and seeing if Don> the other two keep processing requests. We have a problem when we Don> shut down the first database server, the one sharing the nfs volumes. Don> The other two servers just hang trying to connect to the shares. I Don> have tried every option in my fstab file to make the servers stop Don> trying to reach the nfs shares if the server is not available, but Don> nothing has worked. Here is one of the lines from the fstab file Don> where I mount a share: stoffel> Yeah, what you're trying to do isn't going to work without either: stoffel> 1. moving to a Cluster Filesystem so that all hosts and read/write stoffel> to the same filesystem on the Clarrion SAN concurrently. stoffel> 2. moving to a Cluster setup where you have TWO servers in a stoffel> cluster, and the cluster provides the NFS file service to other stoffel> servers. Right. This is an easy option, I think, if you can afford 1 or 2 more boxes (Depending on whether you want to have a dedicated file server not running database apps). stoffel> 3. Getting a NAS box which provides NFS service to the DB servers stoffel> and which has the require reliability you need. stoffel> I personally like NetApps, but they can be pricey. But even with stoffel> a single head, they're reliable and run well. I had one box with stoffel> an uptime of almost 500 days. Oh yeah, UPS and Generator backup stoffel> helps as well. *grin* stoffel> You could get away with using another cheaper NAS, but since you stoffel> spent the money on the SAN, why not just use that and GFS to stoffel> provide the storage you need. Esp if most of the filesystems you stoffel> provide are read (mostly) then you shouldn't have many problems. I do believe RHEL 3 has been certified with Oracle 9i. I'm not sure about the particular apps you are using, but the db itself should work just fine. I would ask your contact at Red Hat. -Jeff

Oct. 13, 2004

RE: [Wlug] NFS question

by Don Peterson

Thanx for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use the Red Hat GFS, it requires v3.0 and we cannot upgrade to that yet. I have been pushing for it, but Oracle won't give me an definite answer as to whether their apps are certified for RH 3.0. We could go with Veritas' Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC, but that would require considerable change, and no one here knows the software. For the time being I'll probably have to go with a NAS device and make it as redundant as possible. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of John Stoffel Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 9:28 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] NFS question Don> I have an Oracle 9i RAC set up consisting of 3 database servers, Don> two apps servers and an EMC Clarion CX700 SAN. The servers are all Don> running Red Hat 2.1, the db servers are at kernel .34 and the apps Don> servers are at .49. I have 5 nfs mount points shared out by the Don> first database server. This is the problem, the fact that you're using NFS in a clustered environment. Have you looked into using a Cluster Filesystem for your needs? Some options would be: http://www.redhat.com/software/rha/gfs/ It even mentions Oracle 9i in the blurb. Don> One mount point is for logs from the database servers (only they Don> connect to it), Why do they all need to log to one filesystem? Can't they log locally and if you want to aggregate the logs, you could rsync them hourly from the servers to a central log host. Don> and the others are for miscellaneous files and storage. We have Don> been doing failover testing, shutting down a database server and Don> seeing if the other two keep processing requests. We have a Don> problem when we shut down the first database server, the one Don> sharing the nfs volumes. The other two servers just hang trying to Don> connect to the shares. I have tried every option in my fstab file Don> to make the servers stop trying to reach the nfs shares if the Don> server is not available, but nothing has worked. Here is one of Don> the lines from the fstab file where I mount a share: Yeah, what you're trying to do isn't going to work without either: 1. moving to a Cluster Filesystem so that all hosts and read/write to the same filesystem on the Clarrion SAN concurrently. 2. moving to a Cluster setup where you have TWO servers in a cluster, and the cluster provides the NFS file service to other servers. 3. Getting a NAS box which provides NFS service to the DB servers and which has the require reliability you need. I personally like NetApps, but they can be pricey. But even with a single head, they're reliable and run well. I had one box with an uptime of almost 500 days. Oh yeah, UPS and Generator backup helps as well. *grin* You could get away with using another cheaper NAS, but since you spent the money on the SAN, why not just use that and GFS to provide the storage you need. Esp if most of the filesystems you provide are read (mostly) then you shouldn't have many problems. John John Stoffel - Senior Unix Systems Administrator - Lucent Technologies stoffel(a)lucent.com - http://www.lucent.com - 978-952-7548 _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] NFS question

by John Stoffel

Don> I have an Oracle 9i RAC set up consisting of 3 database servers, Don> two apps servers and an EMC Clarion CX700 SAN. The servers are Don> all running Red Hat 2.1, the db servers are at kernel .34 and the Don> apps servers are at .49. I have 5 nfs mount points shared out by Don> the first database server. This is the problem, the fact that you're using NFS in a clustered environment. Have you looked into using a Cluster Filesystem for your needs? Some options would be: http://www.redhat.com/software/rha/gfs/ It even mentions Oracle 9i in the blurb. Don> One mount point is for logs from the database servers (only they Don> connect to it), Why do they all need to log to one filesystem? Can't they log locally and if you want to aggregate the logs, you could rsync them hourly from the servers to a central log host. Don> and the others are for miscellaneous files and storage. We have Don> been doing failover testing, shutting down a database server and Don> seeing if the other two keep processing requests. We have a Don> problem when we shut down the first database server, the one Don> sharing the nfs volumes. The other two servers just hang trying Don> to connect to the shares. I have tried every option in my fstab Don> file to make the servers stop trying to reach the nfs shares if Don> the server is not available, but nothing has worked. Here is one Don> of the lines from the fstab file where I mount a share: Yeah, what you're trying to do isn't going to work without either: 1. moving to a Cluster Filesystem so that all hosts and read/write to the same filesystem on the Clarrion SAN concurrently. 2. moving to a Cluster setup where you have TWO servers in a cluster, and the cluster provides the NFS file service to other servers. 3. Getting a NAS box which provides NFS service to the DB servers and which has the require reliability you need. I personally like NetApps, but they can be pricey. But even with a single head, they're reliable and run well. I had one box with an uptime of almost 500 days. Oh yeah, UPS and Generator backup helps as well. *grin* You could get away with using another cheaper NAS, but since you spent the money on the SAN, why not just use that and GFS to provide the storage you need. Esp if most of the filesystems you provide are read (mostly) then you shouldn't have many problems. John John Stoffel - Senior Unix Systems Administrator - Lucent Technologies stoffel(a)lucent.com - http://www.lucent.com - 978-952-7548

Oct. 13, 2004

Reminder: WLUG meeting Tonight (Wed Oct 13)

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, We'll be having a WLUG meeting tonight (Wed Oct 13) at 7:00 PM in the usual place. There isn't a single topic on the agenda, but here's what I'll cover to at least get a discussion started: 1) Update on the install fest with Worcester Computer Co-op, which was held this past Saturday 2) Update on the Linux adult education class I'm teaching 3) GNU FDL license and Debian's critique thereof (this could almost be a meeting by itself - maybe it should be???) 4) Upcoming meetings and guest speaker announcement 5) Any/all topics of interest brought up by other meeting attendees See ya tonight, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBbK81Hl0iXDssISsRAsY8AJ4wmo8AuS43XWgO4bPYLwR7Xb/BDwCaAn3D HDTqh9qAp7Rxx5o/EQ8wmSI= =mQlq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] NFS question

by Adam Keck

Hello Don, True, but if you must use NAS for this, a redundant NAS device takes care of the single point of failure issue. Look at NAS solutions that provide clustered heads attached with redundant paths to redundant disks. Clustered Linux w/ SAN solutions would work or perhaps a blackbox like a Network Appliance filer cluster ($$$!) depending on your budget and time constraints. Moving the nfs shares off the first database server is important, because, in order to have redundancy in the cluster, members each must have the same function. Right now the first database server provides an additional unique function. Nothing can take over for it, as you have seen. -Adam On Oct 12, 2004, at 11:48 AM, Don Peterson wrote: > I'm not sync'ing data, all three servers are writing logs to the share > constantly (the applcsf share). We didn't buy Veritas volume manager, > and we are not running Red Hat 3.0 yet, so I had to go with NFS for a > shared file system. Believe me, I wish I didn't have to use NFS. > I am looking into buying a NAS device to store the shares on, that way > any of the servers can go down and the others won't be affected. But > the NAS will still be a single point of failure.

Oct. 12, 2004

RE: [Wlug] NFS question

by Don Peterson

I'm not sync'ing data, all three servers are writing logs to the share constantly (the applcsf share). We didn't buy Veritas volume manager, and we are not running Red Hat 3.0 yet, so I had to go with NFS for a shared file system. Believe me, I wish I didn't have to use NFS. I am looking into buying a NAS device to store the shares on, that way any of the servers can go down and the others won't be affected. But the NAS will still be a single point of failure. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Charles R. Anderson Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:22 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] NFS question On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 11:15:11AM -0400, Don Peterson wrote: > I mount a share: > shoprod1:/applcsf /applcsf nfs > soft,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,retrans=6,timeo=14,intr > Can you see anything wrong with this line, or can anyone suggest > something else to try. I can't even forceably unmount the shares with > an umount -f. > And if we try to kill any processes accessing the shares the kill > command just hangs (even with a kill -9). > Any suggestions? I don't think there is any good solution. Using the "soft" and "intr" mount options is an extremely bad idea. Do it only if you don't care about losing/corrupting your data. Important data should always be mounted "hard,nointr". Personally, I avoid NFS like the plague. I only use it for readonly mounts (where soft,intr is less of a problem). Instead, I've standardized on rsync over ssh with RSA keys to get data between servers that need to be synchronized. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 12, 2004

Re: [Wlug] NFS question

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 11:15:11AM -0400, Don Peterson wrote: > I mount a share: > shoprod1:/applcsf /applcsf nfs > soft,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,retrans=6,timeo=14,intr > Can you see anything wrong with this line, or can anyone suggest > something else to try. I can't even forceably unmount the shares with > an umount -f. > And if we try to kill any processes accessing the shares the kill > command just hangs (even with a kill -9). > Any suggestions? I don't think there is any good solution. Using the "soft" and "intr" mount options is an extremely bad idea. Do it only if you don't care about losing/corrupting your data. Important data should always be mounted "hard,nointr". Personally, I avoid NFS like the plague. I only use it for readonly mounts (where soft,intr is less of a problem). Instead, I've standardized on rsync over ssh with RSA keys to get data between servers that need to be synchronized.

Oct. 12, 2004

NFS question

by Don Peterson

Hello All, I've been a slient member for awhile, now I have a question/problem I hope someone can answer. I have an Oracle 9i RAC set up consisting of 3 database servers, two apps servers and an EMC Clarion CX700 SAN. The servers are all running Red Hat 2.1, the db servers are at kernel .34 and the apps servers are at .49. I have 5 nfs mount points shared out by the first database server. One mount point is for logs from the database servers (only they connect to it), and the others are for miscellaneous files and storage. We have been doing failover testing, shutting down a database server and seeing if the other two keep processing requests. We have a problem when we shut down the first database server, the one sharing the nfs volumes. The other two servers just hang trying to connect to the shares. I have tried every option in my fstab file to make the servers stop trying to reach the nfs shares if the server is not available, but nothing has worked. Here is one of the lines from the fstab file where I mount a share: shoprod1:/applcsf /applcsf nfs soft,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,retrans=6,timeo=14,intr Can you see anything wrong with this line, or can anyone suggest something else to try. I can't even forceably unmount the shares with an umount -f. And if we try to kill any processes accessing the shares the kill command just hangs (even with a kill -9). Any suggestions? Thanx, Don Peterson Network/Telecomm Mgr. Sterilite Corporation

Oct. 12, 2004

Re: [Wlug] WLUG meeting to be moved to a new date

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 08 October 2004 8:54 pm, Andy Stewart wrote: > HI everybody, > > The WLUG meeting scheduled currently for Thursday, October 14 will not take > place. I'm trying to move this meeting to a new date, and when I finalize > that, I'll inform the membership. My apologize for doing this so close to > the meeting date. > > Andy Hi everybody, The new meeting date will be Wednesday, October 13th at 7:00 PM. I'll update the WLUG website shortly. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBZ1eMHl0iXDssISsRArCaAJ49NcXcydPZVR04roSGSfpLu/GqbACfXIUF 7Li6n6A1aNKVMXQzWEUpLr4= =KZVg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Worcester Computer Co-Op

by Baris Hasdemir

I'll do my best to be there Patrick. Though I am not sure how much of help I can be. say hi to holmes baris On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 12:38, Patrick Sawyer wrote: > Howdy, > This is Patrick from the Worcester Computer Co - Op, as you may or may > not know we are holding an install fest on Saturday the 9th, for the > purpose of installing Linux on old machines that will be donated to > members of the community. > > This information was sent out by Andy earlier. I can send you more > information if anyone needs it. > > The main purpose of this message is to ask who was planning on > attending. You don't need to tell me you can just show up, I just > wanted to know. > > We can use all the help you can give! > > Patrick Sawyer > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 9, 2004

WLUG meeting to be moved to a new date

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, The WLUG meeting scheduled currently for Thursday, October 14 will not take place. I'm trying to move this meeting to a new date, and when I finalize that, I'll inform the membership. My apologize for doing this so close to the meeting date. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBZzbIHl0iXDssISsRAj0qAJ0Ydf/IrQz1qM7Q3NjHLRJU8LJzRgCfTRMj CulceXQ0SjOcxAWLXVmRaLw= =OWk/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 9, 2004

Worcester Computer Co-Op

by Patrick Sawyer

Howdy, This is Patrick from the Worcester Computer Co - Op, as you may or may not know we are holding an install fest on Saturday the 9th, for the purpose of installing Linux on old machines that will be donated to members of the community. This information was sent out by Andy earlier. I can send you more information if anyone needs it. The main purpose of this message is to ask who was planning on attending. You don't need to tell me you can just show up, I just wanted to know. We can use all the help you can give! Patrick Sawyer

Oct. 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] FireFox

by Micheal Bonner

Brett Russ wrote: > Some corrections for the firefox->tbird portion of my instructions: > > Brett Russ wrote: > >> I also have a script called launch-tbird which can be used with the >> mozex plugin to allow mailto: URLs to launch a thunderbird compose >> window. Here's that one: >> >> #!/bin/sh >> >> url="$1" >> >> export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/opt/thunderbird/current > > > I also added the following line here: > export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:$MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME > >> >> if [ $(pidof thunderbird-bin | wc -w) -gt 4 ]; then >> # thunderbird is running >> url=`echo "$url" | sed -e's/^mailto://'` >> $MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME/thunderbird -remote "mailto($url)" >> else >> # thunderbird is not running >> $MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME/thunderbird -P default -compose $url >> fi >> > > Mozex is no longer needed, see below. > >> That's about it, I think the newer firefox tries to avoid the extra >> steps but I'll stick with what works for me. > > > I checked, since I didn't actually have what I described (mozex) > installed on the latest version of Firefox. Here's the new info: > > Add the following line to your *firefox* user.js in your profile: > > user_pref("network.protocol-handler.external.mailto", > "/path/to/launch-tbird"); > > > I had to reinstall thunderbird and use user 'root' to run it for the > first time in order to get everything set up properly. Then close it > and run as normal user. > > worksforme now, > BR > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Dear Spammer ( LOL ) .... Thank for you help .. I am trying this out right now .. I Thank you for your help ... now if you could just cut back on the spam LOL .. Micheal Newbie Spammer

Oct. 7, 2004

Re: [Wlug] FireFox

by Brett Russ

Micheal Bonner wrote: > Hello.. It is Micheal here.. > I am useing Mandrake 10.0 and KDE 3.2 > I have FireFox pr 1.0 and ThunderBird .8.. How can I make firefox see > Link in ThunderBird and Visa Vera .. I guess I am saying " How do I > make FireFox the Default Browser ?" Michael, I sent two replies this afternoon to the list--they're awaiting moderator approval b/c they were sent from work where the domain of the SMTP server doesn't match the domain of my email address. I'm a suspected spammer, guilty until proven innocent. Stay tuned :-) BR

Oct. 7, 2004

Re: [Wlug] FireFox

by Brett Russ

Some corrections for the firefox->tbird portion of my instructions: Brett Russ wrote: > I also have a script called launch-tbird which can be used with the > mozex plugin to allow mailto: URLs to launch a thunderbird compose > window. Here's that one: > > #!/bin/sh > > url="$1" > > export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/opt/thunderbird/current I also added the following line here: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:$MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME > > if [ $(pidof thunderbird-bin | wc -w) -gt 4 ]; then > # thunderbird is running > url=`echo "$url" | sed -e's/^mailto://'` > $MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME/thunderbird -remote "mailto($url)" > else > # thunderbird is not running > $MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME/thunderbird -P default -compose $url > fi > Mozex is no longer needed, see below. > That's about it, I think the newer firefox tries to avoid the extra > steps but I'll stick with what works for me. I checked, since I didn't actually have what I described (mozex) installed on the latest version of Firefox. Here's the new info: Add the following line to your *firefox* user.js in your profile: user_pref("network.protocol-handler.external.mailto", "/path/to/launch-tbird"); I had to reinstall thunderbird and use user 'root' to run it for the first time in order to get everything set up properly. Then close it and run as normal user. worksforme now, BR

Oct. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] FireFox

by Brett Russ

Micheal Bonner wrote: > Hello.. It is Micheal here.. > I am useing Mandrake 10.0 and KDE 3.2 > I have FireFox pr 1.0 and ThunderBird .8.. How can I make firefox see > Link in ThunderBird and Visa Vera .. I guess I am saying " How do I > make FireFox the Default Browser ?" The way I do it: add these 3 lines to your thunderbird user.js file (under ~/.thunderbird/<profileName>/<saltString>/user.js): user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.ftp", "/path/to/launch-firefox"); user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.http", "/path/to/launch-firefox"); user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.https", "/path/to/launch-firefox"); Change the paths to point to this executable shell script: #!/bin/sh export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/opt/firefox/current export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:$MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME # get URL to load url=$1; [ -z $url ] && url=about:blank # try xremote first $MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME/mozilla-xremote-client openURL$$url,new-tab$ && exit 0 # if xremote failed, then launch the browser exec $MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME/firefox $url Change the path of MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME to the dir containing your firefox executable. I also have a script called launch-tbird which can be used with the mozex plugin to allow mailto: URLs to launch a thunderbird compose window. Here's that one: #!/bin/sh url="$1" export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/opt/thunderbird/current if [ $(pidof thunderbird-bin | wc -w) -gt 4 ]; then # thunderbird is running url=`echo "$url" | sed -e's/^mailto://'` $MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME/thunderbird -remote "mailto($url)" else # thunderbird is not running $MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME/thunderbird -P default -compose $url fi The mozex plugin (http://mozex.mozdev.org/index.html) will allow you to set a command for mailto, use: /path/to/launch-tbird %r Make sure you restart firefox and thunderbird after making all these changes... That's about it, I think the newer firefox tries to avoid the extra steps but I'll stick with what works for me. BR

Oct. 6, 2004

FireFox

by Micheal Bonner

Hello.. It is Micheal here.. I am useing Mandrake 10.0 and KDE 3.2 I have FireFox pr 1.0 and ThunderBird .8.. How can I make firefox see Link in ThunderBird and Visa Vera .. I guess I am saying " How do I make FireFox the Default Browser ?" Thanks for your help Micheal C.Bonner Newbie to the Second Power

Oct. 6, 2004

Wireless Linux laptop recommendations?

by Ira Krakow

I'm looking for a basic, cheap, laptop PC with wireless capability, running Linux - to use for Web browsing or email at the library or Starbucks. I use Fedora Core 2 and Red Hat 8 on my desktops - will these work with a wireless-enabled PC? Thanks. Ira Krakow ikrakow_1999(a)yahoo.com

Oct. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Internet service for newbies

by donald vitkus

Chuck Homic wrote: >On Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 03:54:30PM -0400, Patrick Sawyer wrote: > > >>These machines will be given to people with little computer experience >>/ money. All they need for an Internet service is a very simple dial >>up. Has anyone tried Net zero for Lindows(linspire) and got it running >>under Linux? If not can someone recommend a good ISP. The cheaper the >>better. >> >> > >I'm using Stowe Telecom (http://www.stowetel.com/) for $5/mo. Rock solid, >no busy signals, no hangups, lots of POPs, unlimited access. > >They only offer tech support via email (to keep support costs down), and >in my experience, ISP tech support has never been worth the cost, anyway. >They do pretty well, as I had a support issue with them when I started up, >and they solved it via email within a week. Ever since then, there's been >no problems. > > -Chuck > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > express56 works with linux. it cost is ten dollars per month and there is a setup fee

Oct. 6, 2004

Searching for meeting topic

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, We have a WLUG meeting coming up in about a week, and as usual, I'm searching for a topic at the last minute. I'll certainly give an update to the group on our work with the Worcester Computer Co-op, but that won't take the whole meeting. I can also discuss some issues in which I've been personally involved with regard to which license to use on free documentation that I have written, but again, that won't take the whole meeting. I'd rather have a single complete topic for the meeting, so if anybody has any ideas and (even better!) wants to volunteer, please let me know. Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBY3HaHl0iXDssISsRAoIbAJ9RkISnXCXANxft2unzZic0h96ywQCgggIM 3iZiXdiymfD2WTt6AvszuSc= =lnN0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] SuSE Watcher

by Gregory Avedissian

I'm using SuSE 9.1 pro, and when I click on the little lizard-face icon on the panel to open susewatcher, then click on 'Start online update' I get prompted for my root password. Only root can run yast. I'd expect that to be the same in the server version. Greg Chuck Noyes wrote: > Hi All, > > I just installed SuSE Server version 9 (my first SuSE installation) and > I'd like to use the "Watcher" to get updates automatically, but I can't > figure out what the "autorization" window wants. I know it's looking for > a username/password pair, but what username/password?? I don't recall > creating one, > other than the usual 'root' and various users. Is there a "special" > username & password that I should've created? > > Thanks, > Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Internet service for newbies

by Chuck Homic

On Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 03:54:30PM -0400, Patrick Sawyer wrote: > These machines will be given to people with little computer experience > / money. All they need for an Internet service is a very simple dial > up. Has anyone tried Net zero for Lindows(linspire) and got it running > under Linux? If not can someone recommend a good ISP. The cheaper the > better. I'm using Stowe Telecom (http://www.stowetel.com/) for $5/mo. Rock solid, no busy signals, no hangups, lots of POPs, unlimited access. They only offer tech support via email (to keep support costs down), and in my experience, ISP tech support has never been worth the cost, anyway. They do pretty well, as I had a support issue with them when I started up, and they solved it via email within a week. Ever since then, there's been no problems. -Chuck

Oct. 5, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Internet service for newbies

by Micheal Bonner

Patrick Sawyer wrote: >This is in regards to the install fest that will be happening Saturday >at the Worcester Computer Coop. > >These machines will be given to people with little computer experience >/ money. All they need for an Internet service is a very simple dial >up. Has anyone tried Net zero for Lindows(linspire) and got it running >under Linux? If not can someone recommend a good ISP. The cheaper the >better. > >Thanks >Patrick >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > Hello .. I am using PeoplePC .. it is only 10.95 unlimited per month

Oct. 5, 2004

Internet service for newbies

by Patrick Sawyer

This is in regards to the install fest that will be happening Saturday at the Worcester Computer Coop. These machines will be given to people with little computer experience / money. All they need for an Internet service is a very simple dial up. Has anyone tried Net zero for Lindows(linspire) and got it running under Linux? If not can someone recommend a good ISP. The cheaper the better. Thanks Patrick

Oct. 5, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Mandrake Newbie

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 05 October 2004 11:36 am, Micheal Bonner wrote: > I am new. I am Micheal 34 m ( newly moved to Mass from Florida ) ... I > am on Mandrake 10.0 and have been using Linux for only bout a 1 year > now. Thank you for letting me in gotta start somewhere ... always glad to have another linux peep ;) -mike

Oct. 5, 2004

Mandrake Newbie

by Micheal Bonner

Hello All . I am new. I am Micheal 34 m ( newly moved to Mass from Florida ) ... I am on Mandrake 10.0 and have been using Linux for only bout a 1 year now. Thank you for letting me in

Oct. 5, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Thanks!

by Bill Smith

On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Tim Trachimowicz wrote: > Again, I just wanted to say thanks to all that helped/offered advice. You > guys rock! SSSSSHHH!!! You say that TOO loud, and EVERYONE will want to join us... oh-- Wait. Scream it LOUDER! :D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com Microsoft Windows doesn't HAVE security holes... It IS a security hole. * TAG! v3.1a *

Oct. 5, 2004

Thanks!

by Tim Trachimowicz

I just wanted to give a quick thanks to the folks that helped me diagnose my hardware issues a week or two ago. I took the advice of a few people, picked up an ATX power supply tester at New Egg ($12 shipped) and found out that my power supply was toast. I looked into RMAing it (and the case) back to New Egg but found a better (450W vs 400W) supply for a little less than what it would cost to send the old one back to New Egg via FedEx. After getting it installed and fired up, everything seems to be working fine. Again, I just wanted to say thanks to all that helped/offered advice. You guys rock! --Track --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004

Oct. 4, 2004

SuSE Watcher

by Chuck Noyes

Hi All, I just installed SuSE Server version 9 (my first SuSE installation) and I'd like to use the "Watcher" to get updates automatically, but I can't figure out what the "autorization" window wants. I know it's looking for a username/password pair, but what username/password?? I don't recall creating one, other than the usual 'root' and various users. Is there a "special" username & password that I should've created? Thanks, Chuck

Oct. 4, 2004

RE: [Wlug] WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester

by Martin, Eric

I can burn a few...Been meaning to do so anyway -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 1:16 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, I visited the Worcester Computer Co-op on Saturday and had a great talk with Patrick Sawyer. There are approximately 15-20 machines that are in need of some TLC. The machines range from 100 MHz to just over 1 GHz as far as is known. Once the machines are proven to work and Linux is installed and configured, these machines will find homes with needy families in the neighborhood surrounding the St. Bernard's Church in Worcester. The Worcester Computer Co-op has their lab located within the church building. Patrick and I agreed that a hard drive installation of Knoppix would probably be a reasonable thing to do for several reasons, a) its Debian based, b) it has *everything*, c) the live CD feature, d) its pretty easy to install, e) it pretty easily handles non-English languages. My only concern is to insure that the hard drives on these machine are at least 3-4 GB to accommodate a full Knoppix install. As a backup, I would like at least one other distribution handy in case we get an ornery machine or an undersized hard drive. It would need to have some games, KDE or Gnome, and OpenOffice, at a minimum. Clearly, this isn't a good software selection for a 100MHz machine, so that's another reason to have another distro handy. (I don't think there were more than a couple of machines which were this slow). The event will take place from noon - 4 PM. I'll update the WLUG website shortly with directions and such. I'm looking for volunteers who will be able to attend and who wish to burn a few Knoppix V3.6 CDs. Please contact me before your burn anything or we'll likely end up with way too many CDs. The room where this event will be held is a pretty good size. There will be ample opportunity for unnamed WLUG members to trip on power cords and pull them out mid-installation. :-) Many folks have asked when we'd be having our next install fest - well, this is it! Come on over, have some fun, and help some needy families bridge the digital divide. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBYNx/Hl0iXDssISsRAp0+AKCHXakOcwDzxXM437FolnfpcvPcagCdFx0Q WpAOmbvWVfTPxdeqMg9vbT4= =LTru -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 4, 2004

RE: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel

by Martin, Eric

Another thing I just thought of is to check the seperation rollers. They are little blue rollers that make sure you only get one sheet at a time. They should have ridges on them (like treads on a tire) they almost look like veins. If it is relatively smooth, there's your problem. They cost about $5 ea on HPs website -----Original Message----- From: J Schonberg [mailto:schonm@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 4:16 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel --- Chuck Homic <chuck(a)vvisions.com> wrote: > Hi, all... > > I inherited a HP Laserjet 1100 from work, recently. (This model's > failure mode is that you have to feed it one page at a time, since if > you put > multiple sheets in the tray, it will grab anywhere from 5 to 20 at > a time.) This is a known problem with a number of the printers in the HP Laserjet series. I currently have A LaserJet 3100 which is a printer/scanner/fax that I love because it's so simple to use. Unfortunately for a number of reasons, it is considered to be a boat anchor -- I.E. there is no linux support and never will be. As for your printer pulling multiple pages, what you need is a little piece of plastic not unlike that of a tab on a file folder. HP used to provide this in a recall that they did. If your printer has not been serviced with this little plastic piece, I don't know where you can get it now. Here's a discussion from 2002 which may be useful : http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/7/6852.html And here's the problem report at HP : http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=bpl06 411 Good luck. Jason. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 4, 2004

RE: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel

by Martin, Eric

Once should do the trick. There are pickup rollers / d rollers, get a damp cloth (water) and wipe it down...process takes not even a minute. (The only rollers you have to get are the ones that pickup the paper) Also unplug printer first. I know it doesn't have to be said, but hey... -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Homic [mailto:chuck@vvisions.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:01 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 02:10:20PM -0400, Martin, Eric wrote: > Try wetting the pickup rollers with a moist cloth (it might be a > static issue, we run a strict HP printer shop and that's a quick fix) Umm... how often do I do this, exactly? Sounds more annoying than hand-feeding it. :) -Chuck _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, I visited the Worcester Computer Co-op on Saturday and had a great talk with Patrick Sawyer. There are approximately 15-20 machines that are in need of some TLC. The machines range from 100 MHz to just over 1 GHz as far as is known. Once the machines are proven to work and Linux is installed and configured, these machines will find homes with needy families in the neighborhood surrounding the St. Bernard's Church in Worcester. The Worcester Computer Co-op has their lab located within the church building. Patrick and I agreed that a hard drive installation of Knoppix would probably be a reasonable thing to do for several reasons, a) its Debian based, b) it has *everything*, c) the live CD feature, d) its pretty easy to install, e) it pretty easily handles non-English languages. My only concern is to insure that the hard drives on these machine are at least 3-4 GB to accommodate a full Knoppix install. As a backup, I would like at least one other distribution handy in case we get an ornery machine or an undersized hard drive. It would need to have some games, KDE or Gnome, and OpenOffice, at a minimum. Clearly, this isn't a good software selection for a 100MHz machine, so that's another reason to have another distro handy. (I don't think there were more than a couple of machines which were this slow). The event will take place from noon - 4 PM. I'll update the WLUG website shortly with directions and such. I'm looking for volunteers who will be able to attend and who wish to burn a few Knoppix V3.6 CDs. Please contact me before your burn anything or we'll likely end up with way too many CDs. The room where this event will be held is a pretty good size. There will be ample opportunity for unnamed WLUG members to trip on power cords and pull them out mid-installation. :-) Many folks have asked when we'd be having our next install fest - well, this is it! Come on over, have some fun, and help some needy families bridge the digital divide. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBYNx/Hl0iXDssISsRAp0+AKCHXakOcwDzxXM437FolnfpcvPcagCdFx0Q WpAOmbvWVfTPxdeqMg9vbT4= =LTru -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 4, 2004

Portmapper using incorrect ports - how to prevent?

by Bob George

After suffering a power outage, I noticed spamassassin wouldn't start. I'd get: # /etc/init.d/spamassassin restart Restarting SpamAssassin Mail Filter Daemon: No spamd found running; none killed. Could not create INET socket: Address already in use IO::Socket::INET: Address already in use After a bit of checking my configuration, and googling for spamassassin problems, I tried: # lsof -i :783 COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME ypserv 1025 root 5u IPv4 2855 TCP *:spamd (LISTEN) Apparently ypserv grabbed the spamassassin tcp port 783 before spamd started. I fixed the problem by re-arranging the startup sequences in /etc/rc5.d and restarting everything: # lsof -i | egrep "(ypserv|spamd)" spamd 10626 spamd 5u IPv4 44885 TCP localhost:spamd (LISTEN) ypserv 10641 root 4u IPv4 45184 UDP *:643 ypserv 10641 root 5u IPv4 45244 TCP *:646 (LISTEN) I'm wondering if there's a better fix? Is there a way to restrict which ports are used by portmapper? Should I simply change portmap and dependent services to start later/last in the init sequence? - Bob

Oct. 2, 2004

Re: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel

by J Schonberg

--- Chuck Homic <chuck(a)vvisions.com> wrote: > Hi, all... > > I inherited a HP Laserjet 1100 from work, recently. (This model's > failure > mode is that you have to feed it one page at a time, since if you > put > multiple sheets in the tray, it will grab anywhere from 5 to 20 at > a time.) This is a known problem with a number of the printers in the HP Laserjet series. I currently have A LaserJet 3100 which is a printer/scanner/fax that I love because it's so simple to use. Unfortunately for a number of reasons, it is considered to be a boat anchor -- I.E. there is no linux support and never will be. As for your printer pulling multiple pages, what you need is a little piece of plastic not unlike that of a tab on a file folder. HP used to provide this in a recall that they did. If your printer has not been serviced with this little plastic piece, I don't know where you can get it now. Here's a discussion from 2002 which may be useful : http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/7/6852.html And here's the problem report at HP : http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=bpl0… Good luck. Jason. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Oct. 1, 2004

RE: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel

by Martin, Eric

Try wetting the pickup rollers with a moist cloth (it might be a static issue, we run a strict HP printer shop and that's a quick fix) -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Homic [mailto:chuck@vvisions.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:22 PM To: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel Hi, all... I inherited a HP Laserjet 1100 from work, recently. (This model's failure mode is that you have to feed it one page at a time, since if you put multiple sheets in the tray, it will grab anywhere from 5 to 20 at a time.) Anywho, it's a nice sweet printer, especially for the price. I'm using it at work with my WinXP box. However, I'd like to bring it home to use with my laptop. It has a parallel interface, and my slick, modern laptop is lacking this. (And I really don't feel like kicking up my 486 each time I want to print something!) Does anyone have any experience with one of those USB to parallel converter dealies? They seem pretty cheap, but I wonder about driver support and whatnot. The USS720 driver seems to be the only one I can find, I assume that Lucent sells that to anyone making such a device, so it's a matter of finding a list somewhere of devices using that chipset. Any ideas here? Thanks. -Chuck _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel

by Chuck Homic

On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 02:10:20PM -0400, Martin, Eric wrote: > Try wetting the pickup rollers with a moist cloth (it might be a static > issue, we run a strict HP printer shop and that's a quick fix) Umm... how often do I do this, exactly? Sounds more annoying than hand-feeding it. :) -Chuck

Oct. 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel

by Marc Hughes

I've dealt with HP laserjets experiencing the same problem... they sell a kit to replace the rollers and it's fixed the problem for me 3 out of 3 times. They run around $80. The usb thing... good luck :) -Marc On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 13:22:05 -0400, Chuck Homic <chuck(a)vvisions.com> wrote: > Hi, all... > > I inherited a HP Laserjet 1100 from work, recently. (This model's failure > mode is that you have to feed it one page at a time, since if you put > multiple sheets in the tray, it will grab anywhere from 5 to 20 at a > time.) > > Anywho, it's a nice sweet printer, especially for the price. I'm using it > at work with my WinXP box. However, I'd like to bring it home to use with > my laptop. It has a parallel interface, and my slick, modern laptop is > lacking this. (And I really don't feel like kicking up my 486 each time I > want to print something!) > > Does anyone have any experience with one of those USB to parallel > converter dealies? They seem pretty cheap, but I wonder about driver > support and whatnot. The USS720 driver seems to be the only one I can > find, I assume that Lucent sells that to anyone making such a device, so > it's a matter of finding a list somewhere of devices using that chipset. > > Any ideas here? > > Thanks. > > -Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 1, 2004

USB -> Parellel

by Chuck Homic

Hi, all... I inherited a HP Laserjet 1100 from work, recently. (This model's failure mode is that you have to feed it one page at a time, since if you put multiple sheets in the tray, it will grab anywhere from 5 to 20 at a time.) Anywho, it's a nice sweet printer, especially for the price. I'm using it at work with my WinXP box. However, I'd like to bring it home to use with my laptop. It has a parallel interface, and my slick, modern laptop is lacking this. (And I really don't feel like kicking up my 486 each time I want to print something!) Does anyone have any experience with one of those USB to parallel converter dealies? They seem pretty cheap, but I wonder about driver support and whatnot. The USS720 driver seems to be the only one I can find, I assume that Lucent sells that to anyone making such a device, so it's a matter of finding a list somewhere of devices using that chipset. Any ideas here? Thanks. -Chuck

Oct. 1, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection

by Martin, Eric

Glad to hear :) -----Original Message----- From: Michael Long [mailto:mlong@datalong.com] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 3:26 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: RE: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection Thanks for the tip. All is well now. > Check Keepalive in > /etc/ssh/sshd-config (on your server machine) > try setting it to 0, although that might give you phantom logins if > you have a shaky connection -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Long [mailto:mlong@datalong.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:11 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection > > > Hi All, > > I am using openssh on cygwin along with ssh-tunnel (a pearl script > that uses IO and > IO::Select) to tunnel through a firewall in order to gain access to my > desktop at home. I have noticed that recently the behavior has changed > and my connection is broken after 3 seconds of inactivity. How do I, > a) find out what is causing the connection to be broken and/or b) keep > the connection alive. As long as I am actively feeding commands at the > shell prompt the connection stays alive. > > Tia, > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 1, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection

by Michael Long

Thanks for the tip. All is well now. > Check Keepalive in > /etc/ssh/sshd-config (on your server machine) > try setting it to 0, although that might give you phantom logins if you have > a shaky connection > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Long [mailto:mlong@datalong.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:11 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection > > > Hi All, > > I am using openssh on cygwin along with ssh-tunnel (a pearl script that uses > IO and > IO::Select) to tunnel through a firewall in order to gain access to my > desktop at home. I have noticed that recently the behavior has changed and > my connection is broken after 3 seconds of inactivity. How do I, a) find out > what is causing the connection to be broken and/or b) keep the connection > alive. As long as I am actively feeding commands at the shell prompt the > connection stays alive. > > Tia, > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Printing Photos - cropping in gimp 2.0

by Robert L Krawitz

Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:45:18 -0400 From: "John Stoffel" <stoffel(a)lucent.com> >>>>> "Andy" == Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> writes: Andy> I believe that the gimp-print plugin will do what you want. It Andy> should be accessible via the File...Print menu from Gimp. It Andy> shows a rather rough thumbnail image within boarders to give you Andy> a feel for where the image will be printed. I've been using this and I think it sucks. Mostly because the images are considered to be at a maximum scale when you goto the plugin, which makes it hard to scale up or down to crop it nicely. But I have to say, I'm still very happy it is there, since it's let me print some nice pictures on my Epson printer. The basic problem here is that the Print plugin isn't designed to crop at all. That's what we need to do with it. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

Sept. 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Printing Photos - cropping in gimp 2.0

by Chuck Homic

On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 11:47:40PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > >From what I've seen on the tool, it really just needs to have some way > of taking the image that's sent to it and scaling it up higher than > 100% of original size. Have you ever used one of those Kodak/Fuji Photo Maker dealies in WalMart? That's totally what I want. Basically the tool locks the aspect ratio to what can be photo printed. (Either 3:2, 7:5, or 5:4 are the most common, for 4x6, 7x5, or 8x10 prints.) You can rotate and scale the printed region, but the aspect ratio stays locked, so that no matter what you do, you don't get any letterboxing on your printed photo. I don't know if that's what y'all were talking about, but that's what I need more than anything. -Chuck

Sept. 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Printing Photos - cropping in gimp 2.0

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Robert" == Robert L Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> writes: Robert> This is actually something folks have been requesting, but we Robert> (Gimp-Print project) don't have anyone to implement. The Robert> plugin really needs to be rewritten anyway, since it's such a Robert> mess, but that's another matter. Robert, I wish I had the time/knowledge to do this. I can hack small projects, but I'm not a strong programmer, I'm a SysAdmin! :] Mostly, I have a small attention span. :] >From what I've seen on the tool, it really just needs to have some way of taking the image that's sent to it and scaling it up higher than 100% of original size. Does that make sense? Or maybe if you started out at 75% scale, filling as much of the paper size as possible? And then you can let the user scale up for down to get the cropping they desire. Or maybe I'm just missing the issue here. Thanks for the quick reply though, I do appreciate it! John

Sept. 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Printing Photos - cropping in gimp 2.0

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Andy" == Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> writes: Andy> I believe that the gimp-print plugin will do what you want. It Andy> should be accessible via the File...Print menu from Gimp. It Andy> shows a rather rough thumbnail image within boarders to give you Andy> a feel for where the image will be printed. I've been using this and I think it sucks. Mostly because the images are considered to be at a maximum scale when you goto the plugin, which makes it hard to scale up or down to crop it nicely. But I have to say, I'm still very happy it is there, since it's let me print some nice pictures on my Epson printer. It's just not as good as I think it should be. All they would really need to do is let the size scale start at 100% and allow you to move it up/down as you like (within reason of course!) since the paper size you select determines the area that will print. Am I being clear here? Hopefully so. I guess I should look to see if there's a better version of the tool out there. Thanks, John

Sept. 30, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection

by Martin, Eric

Check Keepalive in /etc/ssh/sshd-config (on your server machine) try setting it to 0, although that might give you phantom logins if you have a shaky connection -----Original Message----- From: Michael Long [mailto:mlong@datalong.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:11 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection Hi All, I am using openssh on cygwin along with ssh-tunnel (a pearl script that uses IO and IO::Select) to tunnel through a firewall in order to gain access to my desktop at home. I have noticed that recently the behavior has changed and my connection is broken after 3 seconds of inactivity. How do I, a) find out what is causing the connection to be broken and/or b) keep the connection alive. As long as I am actively feeding commands at the shell prompt the connection stays alive. Tia, Mike _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 29, 2004

Proxy closes connection

by Michael Long

Hi All, I am using openssh on cygwin along with ssh-tunnel (a pearl script that uses IO and IO::Select) to tunnel through a firewall in order to gain access to my desktop at home. I have noticed that recently the behavior has changed and my connection is broken after 3 seconds of inactivity. How do I, a) find out what is causing the connection to be broken and/or b) keep the connection alive. As long as I am actively feeding commands at the shell prompt the connection stays alive. Tia, Mike

Sept. 29, 2004

RE: [Wlug] WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester

by Martin, Eric

I'm interested. Do they have a preferred distro? -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:18 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group Cc: Patrick Sawyer Subject: [Wlug] WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, I was recently contacted by Patrick Sawyer, who represents the Worcester Computer Co-op (http://www.worcestercoop.org) He asked me if we would be interested in getting Linux installed on some computers, as well as building up some working computers out of existing parts. I thought this would be a great group event. This event will be on Saturday, October 9th, from noon to 4 PM (http://www.worcestercoop.org/directions.html) This location is 1.6 miles from WPI. Here is a quote from Patrick: ===start quote=== Here at the Worcester Computer Co Op our goal is to make computer technology available to those who cannot afford it. In addition to running a volunteer computer lab and teaching free classes, we take donated computers, install Linux on them, and distribute them to the community. We now have a large amount of computers and our volunteer base (myself included) is not as well versed in linux as we would like to be, or as is needed to complete this project. I am sending this email because we could use some help. Any time you could give would be appreciated. ===end quote=== I'll be visiting with Patrick this coming weekend to get a feel for how many volunteers can be accommodated, what we'll need for CDs, tools, extension cords, etc. Please reply if you are interested in volunteering and available to attend the event. I'll be sending out more details soon. Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBWjdbHl0iXDssISsRApXYAKCFbamjiXAqOYlGQXldbBTJ7fmHtACaA0cR dMnJEmwRb1hAJYGQFolOKbQ= =B6Ua -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 29, 2004

WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, I was recently contacted by Patrick Sawyer, who represents the Worcester Computer Co-op (http://www.worcestercoop.org) He asked me if we would be interested in getting Linux installed on some computers, as well as building up some working computers out of existing parts. I thought this would be a great group event. This event will be on Saturday, October 9th, from noon to 4 PM (http://www.worcestercoop.org/directions.html) This location is 1.6 miles from WPI. Here is a quote from Patrick: ===start quote=== Here at the Worcester Computer Co Op our goal is to make computer technology available to those who cannot afford it. In addition to running a volunteer computer lab and teaching free classes, we take donated computers, install Linux on them, and distribute them to the community. We now have a large amount of computers and our volunteer base (myself included) is not as well versed in linux as we would like to be, or as is needed to complete this project. I am sending this email because we could use some help. Any time you could give would be appreciated. ===end quote=== I'll be visiting with Patrick this coming weekend to get a feel for how many volunteers can be accommodated, what we'll need for CDs, tools, extension cords, etc. Please reply if you are interested in volunteering and available to attend the event. I'll be sending out more details soon. Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBWjdbHl0iXDssISsRApXYAKCFbamjiXAqOYlGQXldbBTJ7fmHtACaA0cR dMnJEmwRb1hAJYGQFolOKbQ= =B6Ua -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 29, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Printing Photos - cropping in gimp 2.0

by Robert L Krawitz

From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:08:50 -0400 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 28 September 2004 10:38 am, John Stoffel wrote: > Hi All, > > Thanks for the input I recieved here, I've bought an Epson R300 color > printer for making photos. Once I figured out that the debian package > for libcupsys has the permissions borked for the files in > /usr/lib/cups/backend so that they aren't executable, all is well. > I've been happily browsing images in 'gqview', then loading them into > gimp 2.0, then printing them. > > But I'm having issues with scaling images. I have to guess how/where > to crop the images so that I can get the maximum amount of the picture > onto the paper. It's a real pain, with lots of back and forth. > > Is there a tool out there, or a gimp plugin, which allows me to take a > picture, select a paper size and gives me a template to crop/scale the > image to fit that paper size nicely? Any hints on what tools/packages > I should be looking at for this type of work? I believe that the gimp-print plugin will do what you want. It should be accessible via the File...Print menu from Gimp. It shows a rather rough thumbnail image within boarders to give you a feel for where the image will be printed. This is actually something folks have been requesting, but we (Gimp-Print project) don't have anyone to implement. The plugin really needs to be rewritten anyway, since it's such a mess, but that's another matter. If anyone wants to volunteer to do this, I'd welcome it. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

Sept. 28, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Printing Photos - cropping in gimp 2.0

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 28 September 2004 10:38 am, John Stoffel wrote: > Hi All, > > Thanks for the input I recieved here, I've bought an Epson R300 color > printer for making photos. Once I figured out that the debian package > for libcupsys has the permissions borked for the files in > /usr/lib/cups/backend so that they aren't executable, all is well. > I've been happily browsing images in 'gqview', then loading them into > gimp 2.0, then printing them. > > But I'm having issues with scaling images. I have to guess how/where > to crop the images so that I can get the maximum amount of the picture > onto the paper. It's a real pain, with lots of back and forth. > > Is there a tool out there, or a gimp plugin, which allows me to take a > picture, select a paper size and gives me a template to crop/scale the > image to fit that paper size nicely? Any hints on what tools/packages > I should be looking at for this type of work? John, I believe that the gimp-print plugin will do what you want. It should be accessible via the File...Print menu from Gimp. It shows a rather rough thumbnail image within boarders to give you a feel for where the image will be printed. Try it and let us know what you think. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBWeD7Hl0iXDssISsRAlO2AKCBbg5OMApySQ7hfBw/RCGF10Y6WwCeOjAK Jh8lFYGzqAkrhM/p/z0jprE= =QqIX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 28, 2004

Printing Photos - cropping in gimp 2.0

by John Stoffel

Hi All, Thanks for the input I recieved here, I've bought an Epson R300 color printer for making photos. Once I figured out that the debian package for libcupsys has the permissions borked for the files in /usr/lib/cups/backend so that they aren't executable, all is well. I've been happily browsing images in 'gqview', then loading them into gimp 2.0, then printing them. But I'm having issues with scaling images. I have to guess how/where to crop the images so that I can get the maximum amount of the picture onto the paper. It's a real pain, with lots of back and forth. Is there a tool out there, or a gimp plugin, which allows me to take a picture, select a paper size and gives me a template to crop/scale the image to fit that paper size nicely? Any hints on what tools/packages I should be looking at for this type of work? For example, I've got a picture of my nephew and son which I wanted to print out. I also wanted to zoom in a bit (or crop the image down to get closer to them) so that when it printed, I maximized the use of the 4x6 stock. A real pain in gimp 2.0, but since I'm just using the standard Debian install, maybe there is a plugin to help with this? Thanks, John

Sept. 28, 2004

Re: [Wlug] yum repository for Aurora?

by Brian Waite

William, As fate would have it, I just got my hands on an old Sparc. Thanks to your mail I found a distro. While perusing the FAQ though I think I found a pointer to your question. There is an up2date sever and directions at: http://current-aurora.anthonymendoza.com/ I hope it works for you. Here hoping I can even get a prompt :) Thanks Brian On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:19:41 -0400 (EDT), Bill Smith <wsmith(a)chezsmith.com> wrote: > Would anyone here HAPPEN to know of any yum repositories for Aurora Linux > (Sparc flavor, 1.0 is based on RH 7.3, 1.9x is based on Fedora)? > > I've been looking for a repository for upgrading my 1.0 installation to > the latest 1.91/1.92, but I cannot find an up-to-date repository. 8( > > (For anyone that's curious, I'm running Aurora on my Sparc Ultra60...) > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated... > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com > Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com > > "Uncouple faith from truth altogether, and bad things > can happen. People come to believe without truth, and > then the truth becomes something nobody will believe." > -- Charles P. Pierce (in 'The Truth About Polygraphs', > 2003/10/03 edition of Boston Globe Magazine, p18) > * TAG! v3.1a * > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] video confrencing

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 24 September 2004 10:14 am, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > Was wondering if anyone could suggest a USB cam that works well with > the video4linux API that will work with > http://www.gnomemeeting.org/ > > > Or if you had any other video conferencing SW or HW suggestions? > Something both for me to use on linux and for the corprate managemet > type of people to use. Well, my USB cam (Logitech 4000) worked great when I used it with GnomeMeeting, but now its driver is mired in some controversy (it uses the pwc/pwcx driver which was recently removed from the Linux kernel source tree). Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBVMNgHl0iXDssISsRApp0AJ4/9y2ouFuHNqtyveszPqlVAM/FyQCfWg8c USGeQnjPht/AtN05lHJbnP0= =C9/r -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 25, 2004

video confrencing

by Karl Hiramoto

Was wondering if anyone could suggest a USB cam that works well with the video4linux API that will work with http://www.gnomemeeting.org/ Or if you had any other video conferencing SW or HW suggestions? Something both for me to use on linux and for the corprate managemet type of people to use. -- -- Karl Hiramoto karl at hiramoto dot org http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Mobile: 508.517.4819 Work: 978-425-2090

Sept. 24, 2004

yum repository for Aurora?

by Bill Smith

Would anyone here HAPPEN to know of any yum repositories for Aurora Linux (Sparc flavor, 1.0 is based on RH 7.3, 1.9x is based on Fedora)? I've been looking for a repository for upgrading my 1.0 installation to the latest 1.91/1.92, but I cannot find an up-to-date repository. 8( (For anyone that's curious, I'm running Aurora on my Sparc Ultra60...) Any assistance would be greatly appreciated... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com "Uncouple faith from truth altogether, and bad things can happen. People come to believe without truth, and then the truth becomes something nobody will believe." -- Charles P. Pierce (in 'The Truth About Polygraphs', 2003/10/03 edition of Boston Globe Magazine, p18) * TAG! v3.1a *

Sept. 24, 2004

PHP and .forward

by Chuck Haines

Here is a question for you PHP fans out there. I'm attemping to create a webpage that will change, delete, create, etc a users .forward file. I want to do it in PHP and was curious if anyone knew of a current php script that would do this for me. I would write it myself, but why re-invent the wheel if I don't have to. Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

Sept. 20, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations

by Martin, Eric

You Do it Electronics down 128 has an ATX power supply tester for under $10...I also have one if you want to borrow it and Newegg should have one too. All you do is plug it in to your PS Motherboard connector, and flip the switch. If a green light comes on, it's good. It also has test points. -----Original Message----- From: Brett Russ [mailto:icycle@charter.net] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 9:19 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations track(a)trackspace.com wrote: > Secondly, I jumped the 14 and 15 pins (with a bent paperclip) on the > ATX connector while leaving one HDD (and absolutely nothing else) > plugged in - nothing happened. If I understood you correctly, that > should at least power the HDD up? Are there any other visual/aural > clues that I'm looking for? I'd assume that both the PS fan and the HDD would spin up. You might not hear the HDD spinup, you might have to unmount it and feel for the gyro effect. But without the PS fan spinning, I doubt it's powering the drive. > Should the paperclip get warm assuming there's a current passing > through it? No, there shouldn't be current flowing through the clip. > When I plugged the cord in from the wall into the socket in the back > of the case, I did hear that "click" (for lack of a better word) you > hear when you plug anything into a socket. I know at least the juice > is getting into the box... I don't usually hear a click when plugging in a PS to the wall. Maybe this is a sign that it's bad. > Based on this, would you assume the power supply is the likely culprit > and that the next logical step would be to try testing my hardware on > another ATX power supply? My only concern is that the LED lights up, > which to me would mean the mobo is getting >>>some<<< power. I would definitely try another ATX supply if you can. At this point I am not sure what could be wrong if it's not the PS. BR _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 20, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Re: Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting?

by Martin, Eric

Cool, thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:52 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] Re: Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting? Martin, Eric wrote: >Vps? > > Virtual Private Server, using usermode linux (UML) or similar to provide a virtual dedicated host on which I can run as root and configure everything just the way I want it. Ideally with a dedicated IP which I can point reverse-DNS at. Much more control than with the typical, inexpensive hosting setup (cpanel, etc.) and for not much more per month. - Bob _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 20, 2004

Need LSI 1030 IT for SCO 5.0.6

by aramico＠duahati.com

Friends, Can somebody help me here... I need LSI 103o IT root disk controller driver for SCO 5.0.6 I have a new PC, HP ML 350 G4 that must be installed with SCO 5.0.6 but its said that no root risk controller found. I have done so many things to make it enable, but seem unsuccessful so far. I have download it from the internet and its still not much helpin' me. Thanks Aramico Note : Sorry that its a little bit far from Linux's case.

Sept. 20, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations

by Brett Russ

track(a)trackspace.com wrote: > Secondly, I jumped the 14 and 15 pins (with a bent paperclip) on the ATX > connector while leaving one HDD (and absolutely nothing else) plugged in - > nothing happened. If I understood you correctly, that should at least > power the HDD up? Are there any other visual/aural clues that I'm looking > for? I'd assume that both the PS fan and the HDD would spin up. You might not hear the HDD spinup, you might have to unmount it and feel for the gyro effect. But without the PS fan spinning, I doubt it's powering the drive. > Should the paperclip get warm assuming there's a current passing > through it? No, there shouldn't be current flowing through the clip. > When I plugged the cord in from the wall into the socket in > the back of the case, I did hear that "click" (for lack of a better word) > you hear when you plug anything into a socket. I know at least the juice > is getting into the box... I don't usually hear a click when plugging in a PS to the wall. Maybe this is a sign that it's bad. > Based on this, would you assume the power supply is the likely culprit and > that the next logical step would be to try testing my hardware on another > ATX power supply? My only concern is that the LED lights up, which to me > would mean the mobo is getting >>>some<<< power. I would definitely try another ATX supply if you can. At this point I am not sure what could be wrong if it's not the PS. BR

Sept. 18, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting?

by Steve Freitag

I've had a UML based system with http://www.linode.com for over a year and have been very happy with it and linode.com. The lowest cost system, "Linode 64", is $19.95 a month. (Extra disk space if you sign up for a year.) You have full control, create partitions, install the distro, root access etc. The web based interface (Linode Platform Manager) used to partition, install etc is pretty good also. Check out the forums for what others have to say http://www.linode.com/forums/index.php Bob George wrote: > I'm looking for an inexpensive vps hosting option (UML-based or > similar) that will allow me full control over server configuration. > Are there any that are recommended? > > Thanks, > > - Bob > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 17, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting?

by Webmaster＠atari-users.net

I use www.serverpronto.com for my domains and highly recommend them. It's a dedicated server for the price of a virtual. $29/month with a your choice of OS. FreeBSD, Red Hat, Suse, Debian, Fedora and I think Gentoo also(It use to be listed, just ask for it). Plus the crappy Windows, but that cost more. The only issue I have is the $149 setup fee, which I think is high, but this month they have a special with $80 off the fee. Rob >-----Original Message----- >From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org]On >Behalf Of Bob George >Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:13 AM >To: Worcester Linux Users Group >Subject: [Wlug] Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting? > > >I'm looking for an inexpensive vps hosting option (UML-based or similar) >that will allow me full control over server configuration. Are there any > that are recommended? > >Thanks, > >- Bob >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations

by track＠trackspace.com

Brett, Thanks for the reply. I took your advice and tried a couple of things. First, I jumpered the on/off switch connection on the mobo and still got the same results (nothing spins up, red LED on mobo comes and stays on). Secondly, I jumped the 14 and 15 pins (with a bent paperclip) on the ATX connector while leaving one HDD (and absolutely nothing else) plugged in - nothing happened. If I understood you correctly, that should at least power the HDD up? Are there any other visual/aural clues that I'm looking for? Should the paperclip get warm assuming there's a current passing through it? When I plugged the cord in from the wall into the socket in the back of the case, I did hear that "click" (for lack of a better word) you hear when you plug anything into a socket. I know at least the juice is getting into the box... Based on this, would you assume the power supply is the likely culprit and that the next logical step would be to try testing my hardware on another ATX power supply? My only concern is that the LED lights up, which to me would mean the mobo is getting >>>some<<< power. Let me know when you get a chance and I REALLY appreciate your advice and suggestions! :) Thanks, Tim > Jeff Kinz wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 05:30:21PM -0400, track(a)trackspace.com wrote: >> >>>Thank you for all that responded. I'll try to summarize the answers to >>>all the follow-up questions in one reply. >>> >>>When I turn the power on, nothing happens except a red LED on the >>>motherboard lights up. The CPU fan doesn't spin, the computer doesn't >>>beep - nothing (so no beeps or POST codes). The weird thing is that >>> when >>>I turn the power switch off, the LED stays lit for another 5-6 seconds. >>>I'm not sure if that means anything though... > > That's just the capacitance stored up in the MB caps. That's the reason > people say to wait 10 seconds between powering off and powering on. > This also would seem to be a sign that the PS is feeding power. > >> Do the power supply fans spin? > > I assume not, since he says above "nothing happens" :-) > >> the Abit NF7 with MB LEDs has two power LEDs - the red one, when lit, >> indicates standby by power. The green one, when lit, indicates the >> machine is powered up. >> >> You seem be stuck in standby mode. Try the front panel power switch a >> few times. (Count to 10 between each try, see if green MB LED turns on) > > Good point. Maybe this is what you meant but also try holding the > button for 5-10 seconds as well. > >> If that doesn't work, try "aggressively" using the front panel switch. >> Sometimes the front panel switch start to fail and they have a hard time >> turning on the signal that tells the system to power up. > > Just trace the switch wires back to the MB jumper header then manually > jumper the connection yourself. If there are 2 wires the jump is > obvious--3 wires you may want to check the MB manual to make sure you > jump the right ones. Only need to jump briefly...this will eliminate > the switch as the culprit. > > Also try unplugging the PS from the wall for 30 sec to cold cycle > everything. > > Also, you can check the PS simply enough (assuming it's an ATX): > -unplug it from the MB (leave at least one HDD connected for a load...PS > will power off if no load) > -compare the MB connector to the one here: > http://xtronics.com/reference/atx_pinout.htm > -if the same, jump (with paper clip...be careful!) pin 14 to 15 together > -PS should power on (fan(s) spin, HDD(s) spin up) > >>>I stopped in at a computer shop on 122A in Holden this afternoon and was >>>quoted a $35 "bench fee" for taking a look at it and $75/hr to do any >>>work. Like I said before, all the parts are still under warranty >>> through >>>New Egg and I'd happily send them back but I need to figure out what's >>> not >>>working. > > Forget PC shops, IMO...they're only going to do the simple tests you can > find on lists like these anyway ;-) > > BR > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)

by Bob George

Keller, Tim wrote: > I don't see where hosting would much of a problem at all. The trick > is to charge for it. WLUG members who wanted an account on the box > would each pay in a couple bucks a month and that money would be used > to pay to host the box. I'd hope that would be Plan B. Obviously, it won't be free. A worst-case, most limiting scenario would be using a virtual private server/UML arrangement, though that would only scale so far. Still, at $20 or so per month, I don't think every user would have to commit. (I realize that places rather substantial limits on the size of the thing.) > If somebody had a decent speakeasy type (allows servers, has decent > bandwidth) account, that money could be used to pay the electric bill > for the box(s), add capacity, etc. Then you host an webpage,distro > respository,irc channel, etc. off of it. That's actually an option I hadn't thought of, but I suppose it could be used for prototyping. As to the other features, that's where the design goals would be critical. "Feature creep" could be deadly! - Bob

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)

by Bob George

Jeff Moyer wrote: >[...] >Show me the prototype, and I'll arrange for a machine to host the beta. If >anyone cared to donate a second machine, I could even setup a failover >cluster for you. > > Excellent! And thank you much, Jeff. One significant barrier falls away. Now the rest of the boatload of challenges! >So, who's taking the first crack at the design goals? > > I'm primarily a WLUG-lurker, having not made a meeting yet since moving here last year. I don't want to be presumptuous, but I had a good conversation in the IRC channel during which some good questions were posed. I'd be happy to do up a list of design goals and post them here. I'm also NOT a skilled developer (I pre-date C++, coding-skill-wise) but do quite a bit of configuration and tweaking on my own systems, so I can offer up some of the skills. Any thoughts? - Bob

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)

by Bob George

Marc Hughes wrote: >Comparing it to a gmail account, it's the development time that's an >issue. Google has spent a lot of time, and a lot of money getting a >solution as good as gmail is. > Agreed that "blowing away gmail" is shooting way too high. I'd envisioned it as more of addressing the "I love gmail, but I wish it would do THIS", serving ONLY on a small, focused community of users (i.e. a LUG). The searchability etc. offered by gmail is going to be tough to match, but I suspect there are some interesting things that could be done with bayes etc. as individual sub-projects that would be interesting enough. >To date, I've never used a better email >client whether web-based or not. Just whipping together free software >will not give an equivilant solution. > > Agreed. I see challenges on multiple levels. Which is exactly why I see it as a possible GROUP activity, where hopefully everyone's focused on the parts they enjoy. - Bob

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites)

by Bob George

Charles R. Anderson wrote: >This is what I see. Please don't use HTML-encoded e-mail. Thanks. > > *grumble* or thread hijacking *grumble* - Bob

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting?

by Bob George

Martin, Eric wrote: >Vps? > > Virtual Private Server, using usermode linux (UML) or similar to provide a virtual dedicated host on which I can run as root and configure everything just the way I want it. Ideally with a dedicated IP which I can point reverse-DNS at. Much more control than with the typical, inexpensive hosting setup (cpanel, etc.) and for not much more per month. - Bob

Sept. 17, 2004

RE: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)

by Keller, Tim

There weren't any notes since I did a live demo... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Vadeboncoeur [mailto:mrv@kluge.net] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:23 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: RE: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites) On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, JONATHAN BEALL wrote: JB>Sorry, i missed the last meeting (High Holydays). i was really interested JB>in the Gentoo meeting, and had wanted to ask if anyone in the group is JB>currently running MythTV... JB> JB>I have an older sony viao, that has some mildly difficult hardware to JB>detect, and wanted to buy a videocard and make it a PVR. JB> JB>anyone have any thoughts? and a summary of the gentoo install? i JB>considered it once, but was scared away... =) taken from: http://www.wlug.org/slides.html <quote> Live Demo: A Linux Digital Video Recorder (April 16, 2003) Presented by Tim Keller WLUG member Tim Keller spoke about his experience building a digital video recorder using a video capture card and the Myth TV software. Tim mentioned that any video capture card which is supported by Video4Linux should work with Myth TV. (Other video capture cards may also work). As a video source, Tim used his Nintendo. </quote> very little more info is in this thread from the same time: http://paramount.ind.wpi.edu/pipermail/wlug/2003-April/002747.html Sorry, I wasn't at the last meeting, and notes from it doesn't seem to have made it to the wlug website yet... -- --==*==-- --==*==-- Michelle R. Vadeboncoeur --==*==-- --==*==-- mrv(a)kluge.net: http://www.kluge.net/~mrv/ _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 17, 2004

RE: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites)

by Michelle Vadeboncoeur

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, JONATHAN BEALL wrote: JB>Sorry, i missed the last meeting (High Holydays). i was really interested JB>in the Gentoo meeting, and had wanted to ask if anyone in the group is JB>currently running MythTV... JB> JB>I have an older sony viao, that has some mildly difficult hardware to JB>detect, and wanted to buy a videocard and make it a PVR. JB> JB>anyone have any thoughts? and a summary of the gentoo install? i JB>considered it once, but was scared away... =) taken from: http://www.wlug.org/slides.html <quote> Live Demo: A Linux Digital Video Recorder (April 16, 2003) Presented by Tim Keller WLUG member Tim Keller spoke about his experience building a digital video recorder using a video capture card and the Myth TV software. Tim mentioned that any video capture card which is supported by Video4Linux should work with Myth TV. (Other video capture cards may also work). As a video source, Tim used his Nintendo. </quote> very little more info is in this thread from the same time: http://paramount.ind.wpi.edu/pipermail/wlug/2003-April/002747.html Sorry, I wasn't at the last meeting, and notes from it doesn't seem to have made it to the wlug website yet... -- --==*==-- --==*==-- Michelle R. Vadeboncoeur --==*==-- --==*==-- mrv(a)kluge.net: http://www.kluge.net/~mrv/

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites)

by Charles R. Anderson

This is what I see. Please don't use HTML-encoded e-mail. Thanks. >From wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org Fri Sep 17 11:28:44 2004 From: "JONATHAN BEALL" <joncbeall(a)hotmail.com> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:20:01 -0400 Subject: RE: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites) Message-ID: <BAY2-F34j05SO6v4Apw0001f724(a)hotmail.com> Precedence: list Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> [-- Attachment #1 --] [-- Type: text/html, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 5.4K --] [-- text/html is unsupported (use 'v' to view this part) --] [-- Attachment #2 --] [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 0.1K --] _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 17, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting?

by Martin, Eric

Vps? -----Original Message----- From: Mike Frysinger [mailto:vapier@gentoo.org] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:16 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting? On Friday 17 September 2004 10:12 am, Bob George wrote: > I'm looking for an inexpensive vps hosting option (UML-based or > similar) that will allow me full control over server configuration. Are there any > that are recommended? i use bytemark (www.bytemark.co.uk) and they're pretty good ... had them for almost a year now ... -mike _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 17, 2004

RE: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)

by Brian J. Conway

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Keller, Tim wrote: > I don't see where hosting would much of a problem at all. The trick is to > charge for it. WLUG members who wanted an account on the box would each pay > in a couple bucks a month and that money would be used to pay to host the > box. If somebody had a decent speakeasy type (allows servers, has decent > bandwidth) account, that money could be used to pay the electric bill for > the box(s), add capacity, etc. Then you host an webpage,distro > respository,irc channel, etc. off of it. > > Tim. Thus answering, with multiple valid points, the original question of why someone would want to use Gmail. Thank you, Tim. ;) -b

Sept. 17, 2004

RE: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites)

by JONATHAN BEALL

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)

by Marc Hughes

Comparing it to a gmail account, it's the development time that's an issue. Google has spent a lot of time, and a lot of money getting a solution as good as gmail is. To date, I've never used a better email client whether web-based or not. Just whipping together free software will not give an equivilant solution. Comparing it to hotmail plus a gig of storage... sure, it's easy to beat that. -Marc On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:11:46 -0400, Keller, Tim <tim.keller(a)stratus.com> wrote: > I don't see where hosting would much of a problem at all. The trick is to > charge for it. WLUG members who wanted an account on the box would each pay > in a couple bucks a month and that money would be used to pay to host the > box. If somebody had a decent speakeasy type (allows servers, has decent > bandwidth) account, that money could be used to pay the electric bill for > the box(s), add capacity, etc. Then you host an webpage,distro > respository,irc channel, etc. off of it. > > Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Haines [mailto:chaines@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:04 AM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail > invit es) > > > I'd definitely be interested, but I agree, hosting would be the big issue. > > Chuck > > On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:03:27 -0400, Martin, Eric <martine(a)worc.k12.ma.us> > wrote: > > > > I like the idea, could be fun! However, I think hosting would be the > > biggest hump... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] > > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:55 PM > > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > > Subject: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites) > > > > Frank Sweetser wrote: > > > > >>[...] > > >>Is there a benefit to having a gmail account, other than the free > > >>space? > > > > > > Gmail actually is pretty neat. The whole archive and search vs > > > folders takes a little getting used to, but I think they implemented > > > it pretty nicely. It ends up giving you a very flexible view of your > > > email archives. > > > > > > Oh yeah, and it's about an order of magnitutde faster than any other > > > webmail service I've tried =) > > > > As a long time Linux enthusiast, I've never quite understood the thrill > > of having 1GB of my personal data stored on someone else's server, much > > less on one that is hosted by a company that -- while mostly playing > > nice now -- reserves the right to do whatever with that data later. > > > > I've also not understood why that would be any more attractive than the > > building of a (better, faster, bigger) server of my own, particularly > > given the wealth of tools available to us GPL. > > > > On the BLU list recently, there was much discussion about building a > > cluster, but plans stalled when the reality of power and HVAC were > > detailed. However, hosting a box or two somewhere didn't seem to be an > > issue. > > > > So... For the tech-minded but still willing to store personal stuff > > outside, wouldn't a secure, private (as in gpg) and shared Gmail > > alternative make a good LUG project? > > > > I know many folks are looking for ways to get experience doing > > real-world things, and enough of us probably are interested in specific > > aspects of this to be involved at varying levels. Others may have > > hardware available for dontation. > > > > So... > > 1.) Is there interest in something like this > > 2.) Where could it be housed/hosted and what would it cost? > > > > Advantages I see are: > > 1.) A cool LUG project. I haven't heard of anyone doing this, and it > > makes for a nice "Gmail? Hah!" response at techie gatherings. > > 2.) A good hands-on project for the curious (apache, webmail, gpg/pgp, > > spamassassin, system hardening, procmail, php/whatever, mysql, etc.) > > 3.) We can address Gmail shortcomings > > 4.) We can enhance security and privacy (gpg/pgp, encrypted data and > > other options come to mind) > > 5.) We can allow users more direct (and effective) spam control > > (spamassassin, milters come to mind -- allow each user more control!) > > 6.) We can allow POP/IMAP access to/from the server (secure SMTP?) > > 7.) A good place to store LUG files etc. (be good now) > > 8.) Cool WLUG domain names! > > > > Disadvantages abound of course: > > 1.) Time - Effort to get started, and over the hump > > 2.) Money - Hosting primarily > > 3.) Support - Who'll fix it > > 4.) Scalability - Will it be killed by success? How much room can be > > allocated per-user? How big of a box before it buckles? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > -- > Chuck Haines > chaines(a)gmail.com > ------------------------------------------- > Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity > WPI Class of 2005 > ------------------------------------------- > AIM: CyberGrex > YIM: CyberGrex_27 > ICQ: 3707881 > ------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting?

by Mike Frysinger

On Friday 17 September 2004 10:12 am, Bob George wrote: > I'm looking for an inexpensive vps hosting option (UML-based or similar) > that will allow me full control over server configuration. Are there any > that are recommended? i use bytemark (www.bytemark.co.uk) and they're pretty good ... had them for almost a year now ... -mike

Sept. 17, 2004

RE: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)

by Keller, Tim

I don't see where hosting would much of a problem at all. The trick is to charge for it. WLUG members who wanted an account on the box would each pay in a couple bucks a month and that money would be used to pay to host the box. If somebody had a decent speakeasy type (allows servers, has decent bandwidth) account, that money could be used to pay the electric bill for the box(s), add capacity, etc. Then you host an webpage,distro respository,irc channel, etc. off of it. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Haines [mailto:chaines@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:04 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es) I'd definitely be interested, but I agree, hosting would be the big issue. Chuck On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:03:27 -0400, Martin, Eric <martine(a)worc.k12.ma.us> wrote: > I like the idea, could be fun! However, I think hosting would be the > biggest hump... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:55 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites) > > Frank Sweetser wrote: > > >>[...] > >>Is there a benefit to having a gmail account, other than the free > >>space? > > > > Gmail actually is pretty neat. The whole archive and search vs > > folders takes a little getting used to, but I think they implemented > > it pretty nicely. It ends up giving you a very flexible view of your > > email archives. > > > > Oh yeah, and it's about an order of magnitutde faster than any other > > webmail service I've tried =) > > As a long time Linux enthusiast, I've never quite understood the thrill > of having 1GB of my personal data stored on someone else's server, much > less on one that is hosted by a company that -- while mostly playing > nice now -- reserves the right to do whatever with that data later. > > I've also not understood why that would be any more attractive than the > building of a (better, faster, bigger) server of my own, particularly > given the wealth of tools available to us GPL. > > On the BLU list recently, there was much discussion about building a > cluster, but plans stalled when the reality of power and HVAC were > detailed. However, hosting a box or two somewhere didn't seem to be an > issue. > > So... For the tech-minded but still willing to store personal stuff > outside, wouldn't a secure, private (as in gpg) and shared Gmail > alternative make a good LUG project? > > I know many folks are looking for ways to get experience doing > real-world things, and enough of us probably are interested in specific > aspects of this to be involved at varying levels. Others may have > hardware available for dontation. > > So... > 1.) Is there interest in something like this > 2.) Where could it be housed/hosted and what would it cost? > > Advantages I see are: > 1.) A cool LUG project. I haven't heard of anyone doing this, and it > makes for a nice "Gmail? Hah!" response at techie gatherings. > 2.) A good hands-on project for the curious (apache, webmail, gpg/pgp, > spamassassin, system hardening, procmail, php/whatever, mysql, etc.) > 3.) We can address Gmail shortcomings > 4.) We can enhance security and privacy (gpg/pgp, encrypted data and > other options come to mind) > 5.) We can allow users more direct (and effective) spam control > (spamassassin, milters come to mind -- allow each user more control!) > 6.) We can allow POP/IMAP access to/from the server (secure SMTP?) > 7.) A good place to store LUG files etc. (be good now) > 8.) Cool WLUG domain names! > > Disadvantages abound of course: > 1.) Time - Effort to get started, and over the hump > 2.) Money - Hosting primarily > 3.) Support - Who'll fix it > 4.) Scalability - Will it be killed by success? How much room can be > allocated per-user? How big of a box before it buckles? > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations

by Jeff Kinz

On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 08:55:23PM -0400, Brett Russ wrote: > Jeff Kinz wrote: > > > Do the power supply fans spin? > > I assume not, since he says above "nothing happens" :-) Over the years I have found that some values for "nothing happens" do NOT approach zero. It all depends on what "Nothing happens" means to the person who is using the term. I've been burn on it enough times, that I don't make the assumption that they really mean "Nothing happens" anymore... ;-) Instead - I use very specific questions in a stepwise fashion to determine what they are really seeing. Its the only way to keep your sanity intact when doing a remote diagnostic. This neccesarily means that some information will get repeated. -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA.

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es); Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com> adds: chaines> I'd definitely be interested, but I agree, hosting would be the chaines> big issue. Chuck I don't see hosting as the big issue. You can get a lot of the development done without any hosting at all. Once the software infrastructure is in place, I'm sure people (such as myself) would be happy to donate systems. Show me the prototype, and I'll arrange for a machine to host the beta. If anyone cared to donate a second machine, I could even setup a failover cluster for you. So, who's taking the first crack at the design goals? -Jeff chaines> On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:03:27 -0400, Martin, Eric chaines> <martine(a)worc.k12.ma.us> wrote: >> I like the idea, could be fun! However, I think hosting would be the >> biggest hump... >> >> -----Original Message----- From> Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] Sent> Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:55 PM To> Worcester Linux Users Group Subject> [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites) >> Frank Sweetser wrote: >> >> >>[...] >>Is there a benefit to having a gmail account, other than the >> free >>space? >> > >> > Gmail actually is pretty neat. The whole archive and search vs > >> folders takes a little getting used to, but I think they implemented > >> it pretty nicely. It ends up giving you a very flexible view of your > >> email archives. >> > >> > Oh yeah, and it's about an order of magnitutde faster than any other > >> webmail service I've tried =) >> >> As a long time Linux enthusiast, I've never quite understood the thrill >> of having 1GB of my personal data stored on someone else's server, much >> less on one that is hosted by a company that -- while mostly playing >> nice now -- reserves the right to do whatever with that data later. >> >> I've also not understood why that would be any more attractive than the >> building of a (better, faster, bigger) server of my own, particularly >> given the wealth of tools available to us GPL. >> >> On the BLU list recently, there was much discussion about building a >> cluster, but plans stalled when the reality of power and HVAC were >> detailed. However, hosting a box or two somewhere didn't seem to be an >> issue. >> >> So... For the tech-minded but still willing to store personal stuff >> outside, wouldn't a secure, private (as in gpg) and shared Gmail >> alternative make a good LUG project? >> >> I know many folks are looking for ways to get experience doing >> real-world things, and enough of us probably are interested in specific >> aspects of this to be involved at varying levels. Others may have >> hardware available for dontation. >> >> So... 1.) Is there interest in something like this 2.) Where could it >> be housed/hosted and what would it cost? >> >> Advantages I see are: 1.) A cool LUG project. I haven't heard of anyone >> doing this, and it makes for a nice "Gmail? Hah!" response at techie >> gatherings. 2.) A good hands-on project for the curious (apache, >> webmail, gpg/pgp, spamassassin, system hardening, procmail, >> php/whatever, mysql, etc.) 3.) We can address Gmail shortcomings 4.) We >> can enhance security and privacy (gpg/pgp, encrypted data and other >> options come to mind) 5.) We can allow users more direct (and effective) >> spam control (spamassassin, milters come to mind -- allow each user more >> control!) 6.) We can allow POP/IMAP access to/from the server (secure >> SMTP?) 7.) A good place to store LUG files etc. (be good now) 8.) Cool >> WLUG domain names! >> >> Disadvantages abound of course: 1.) Time - Effort to get started, and >> over the hump 2.) Money - Hosting primarily 3.) Support - Who'll fix it >> 4.) Scalability - Will it be killed by success? How much room can be >> allocated per-user? How big of a box before it buckles? >> >> _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http> //mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http> //mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> chaines> -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com chaines> ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon chaines> Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 chaines> ------------------------------------------- AIM> CyberGrex YIM> CyberGrex_27 ICQ> 3707881 chaines> ------------------------------------------- chaines> _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list chaines> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http> //mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 17, 2004

Recommended virtual private server (UML) hosting?

by Bob George

I'm looking for an inexpensive vps hosting option (UML-based or similar) that will allow me full control over server configuration. Are there any that are recommended? Thanks, - Bob

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)

by Chuck Haines

I'd definitely be interested, but I agree, hosting would be the big issue. Chuck On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:03:27 -0400, Martin, Eric <martine(a)worc.k12.ma.us> wrote: > I like the idea, could be fun! However, I think hosting would be the > biggest hump... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:55 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites) > > Frank Sweetser wrote: > > >>[...] > >>Is there a benefit to having a gmail account, other than the free > >>space? > > > > Gmail actually is pretty neat. The whole archive and search vs > > folders takes a little getting used to, but I think they implemented > > it pretty nicely. It ends up giving you a very flexible view of your > > email archives. > > > > Oh yeah, and it's about an order of magnitutde faster than any other > > webmail service I've tried =) > > As a long time Linux enthusiast, I've never quite understood the thrill > of having 1GB of my personal data stored on someone else's server, much > less on one that is hosted by a company that -- while mostly playing > nice now -- reserves the right to do whatever with that data later. > > I've also not understood why that would be any more attractive than the > building of a (better, faster, bigger) server of my own, particularly > given the wealth of tools available to us GPL. > > On the BLU list recently, there was much discussion about building a > cluster, but plans stalled when the reality of power and HVAC were > detailed. However, hosting a box or two somewhere didn't seem to be an > issue. > > So... For the tech-minded but still willing to store personal stuff > outside, wouldn't a secure, private (as in gpg) and shared Gmail > alternative make a good LUG project? > > I know many folks are looking for ways to get experience doing > real-world things, and enough of us probably are interested in specific > aspects of this to be involved at varying levels. Others may have > hardware available for dontation. > > So... > 1.) Is there interest in something like this > 2.) Where could it be housed/hosted and what would it cost? > > Advantages I see are: > 1.) A cool LUG project. I haven't heard of anyone doing this, and it > makes for a nice "Gmail? Hah!" response at techie gatherings. > 2.) A good hands-on project for the curious (apache, webmail, gpg/pgp, > spamassassin, system hardening, procmail, php/whatever, mysql, etc.) > 3.) We can address Gmail shortcomings > 4.) We can enhance security and privacy (gpg/pgp, encrypted data and > other options come to mind) > 5.) We can allow users more direct (and effective) spam control > (spamassassin, milters come to mind -- allow each user more control!) > 6.) We can allow POP/IMAP access to/from the server (secure SMTP?) > 7.) A good place to store LUG files etc. (be good now) > 8.) Cool WLUG domain names! > > Disadvantages abound of course: > 1.) Time - Effort to get started, and over the hump > 2.) Money - Hosting primarily > 3.) Support - Who'll fix it > 4.) Scalability - Will it be killed by success? How much room can be > allocated per-user? How big of a box before it buckles? > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations

by Robert L Krawitz

From: "Martin, Eric" <MartinE(a)worc.k12.ma.us> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:04:50 -0400 Had the same problem. I needed a 450W power supply. The video card is wicked intensive. I built a machine with similar specs...Try a PCI video card and it should work fine There are lots of different power supplies out there; last time I saw a review some are much better than others. Antec ones are supposed to be very good (I have one). That said, my previous system had power-on stability issues (when the system was powered on, it frequently wouldn't boot, and would usually take multiple boots to recognize everything). It originally had a cheap 300W supply, which I replaced with an Antec 400'ish supply (don't remember which one) to try to cure it. It didn't work. -----Original Message----- From: track(a)trackspace.com [mailto:track@trackspace.com] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 5:30 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations In case it matters, the mobo is an Abit NF7 with a single DIMM of 512MB RAM (Crucial), an AMD Athlon 2400+ processor, an ATI Radeon 9600XT video card and it's powered by a 400W power supply. I bought all the parts from New Egg about 7 months ago, put it together and haven't had a single problem save for this.

Sept. 17, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations

by Martin, Eric

Had the same problem. I needed a 450W power supply. The video card is wicked intensive. I built a machine with similar specs...Try a PCI video card and it should work fine -----Original Message----- From: track(a)trackspace.com [mailto:track@trackspace.com] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 5:30 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations Thank you for all that responded. I'll try to summarize the answers to all the follow-up questions in one reply. When I turn the power on, nothing happens except a red LED on the motherboard lights up. The CPU fan doesn't spin, the computer doesn't beep - nothing (so no beeps or POST codes). The weird thing is that when I turn the power switch off, the LED stays lit for another 5-6 seconds. I'm not sure if that means anything though... In case it matters, the mobo is an Abit NF7 with a single DIMM of 512MB RAM (Crucial), an AMD Athlon 2400+ processor, an ATI Radeon 9600XT video card and it's powered by a 400W power supply. I bought all the parts from New Egg about 7 months ago, put it together and haven't had a single problem save for this. I've tried running it bare bones and moving the DIMM into a different slot. I have a spare computer, but the connector from the power supply doesn't seem to have the same plug as the one on my board. I don't have any extra RAM or a processor to try swapping things out with unfortunately. I've tried Googling the symptoms and the red LED on the mobo to no avail. It seems the only mention of the red LED problem was answered with the typical "check your connections, the mobo's fried, etc..." - no real diagnostics. I stopped in at a computer shop on 122A in Holden this afternoon and was quoted a $35 "bench fee" for taking a look at it and $75/hr to do any work. Like I said before, all the parts are still under warranty through New Egg and I'd happily send them back but I need to figure out what's not working. And I realize this is a Linux list and this is kind of off-topic. That being said, you folks are pretty bright and knowledgable so I figured I'd throw this out there. I do appreciate all the suggestions/comments so far. Thanks, Track _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 17, 2004

RE: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)

by Martin, Eric

I like the idea, could be fun! However, I think hosting would be the biggest hump... -----Original Message----- From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:55 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites) Frank Sweetser wrote: >>[...] >>Is there a benefit to having a gmail account, other than the free >>space? > > Gmail actually is pretty neat. The whole archive and search vs > folders takes a little getting used to, but I think they implemented > it pretty nicely. It ends up giving you a very flexible view of your > email archives. > > Oh yeah, and it's about an order of magnitutde faster than any other > webmail service I've tried =) As a long time Linux enthusiast, I've never quite understood the thrill of having 1GB of my personal data stored on someone else's server, much less on one that is hosted by a company that -- while mostly playing nice now -- reserves the right to do whatever with that data later. I've also not understood why that would be any more attractive than the building of a (better, faster, bigger) server of my own, particularly given the wealth of tools available to us GPL. On the BLU list recently, there was much discussion about building a cluster, but plans stalled when the reality of power and HVAC were detailed. However, hosting a box or two somewhere didn't seem to be an issue. So... For the tech-minded but still willing to store personal stuff outside, wouldn't a secure, private (as in gpg) and shared Gmail alternative make a good LUG project? I know many folks are looking for ways to get experience doing real-world things, and enough of us probably are interested in specific aspects of this to be involved at varying levels. Others may have hardware available for dontation. So... 1.) Is there interest in something like this 2.) Where could it be housed/hosted and what would it cost? Advantages I see are: 1.) A cool LUG project. I haven't heard of anyone doing this, and it makes for a nice "Gmail? Hah!" response at techie gatherings. 2.) A good hands-on project for the curious (apache, webmail, gpg/pgp, spamassassin, system hardening, procmail, php/whatever, mysql, etc.) 3.) We can address Gmail shortcomings 4.) We can enhance security and privacy (gpg/pgp, encrypted data and other options come to mind) 5.) We can allow users more direct (and effective) spam control (spamassassin, milters come to mind -- allow each user more control!) 6.) We can allow POP/IMAP access to/from the server (secure SMTP?) 7.) A good place to store LUG files etc. (be good now) 8.) Cool WLUG domain names! Disadvantages abound of course: 1.) Time - Effort to get started, and over the hump 2.) Money - Hosting primarily 3.) Support - Who'll fix it 4.) Scalability - Will it be killed by success? How much room can be allocated per-user? How big of a box before it buckles? _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations

by Brett Russ

Jeff Kinz wrote: > On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 05:30:21PM -0400, track(a)trackspace.com wrote: > >>Thank you for all that responded. I'll try to summarize the answers to >>all the follow-up questions in one reply. >> >>When I turn the power on, nothing happens except a red LED on the >>motherboard lights up. The CPU fan doesn't spin, the computer doesn't >>beep - nothing (so no beeps or POST codes). The weird thing is that when >>I turn the power switch off, the LED stays lit for another 5-6 seconds. >>I'm not sure if that means anything though... That's just the capacitance stored up in the MB caps. That's the reason people say to wait 10 seconds between powering off and powering on. This also would seem to be a sign that the PS is feeding power. > Do the power supply fans spin? I assume not, since he says above "nothing happens" :-) > the Abit NF7 with MB LEDs has two power LEDs - the red one, when lit, > indicates standby by power. The green one, when lit, indicates the > machine is powered up. > > You seem be stuck in standby mode. Try the front panel power switch a > few times. (Count to 10 between each try, see if green MB LED turns on) Good point. Maybe this is what you meant but also try holding the button for 5-10 seconds as well. > If that doesn't work, try "aggressively" using the front panel switch. > Sometimes the front panel switch start to fail and they have a hard time > turning on the signal that tells the system to power up. Just trace the switch wires back to the MB jumper header then manually jumper the connection yourself. If there are 2 wires the jump is obvious--3 wires you may want to check the MB manual to make sure you jump the right ones. Only need to jump briefly...this will eliminate the switch as the culprit. Also try unplugging the PS from the wall for 30 sec to cold cycle everything. Also, you can check the PS simply enough (assuming it's an ATX): -unplug it from the MB (leave at least one HDD connected for a load...PS will power off if no load) -compare the MB connector to the one here: http://xtronics.com/reference/atx_pinout.htm -if the same, jump (with paper clip...be careful!) pin 14 to 15 together -PS should power on (fan(s) spin, HDD(s) spin up) >>I stopped in at a computer shop on 122A in Holden this afternoon and was >>quoted a $35 "bench fee" for taking a look at it and $75/hr to do any >>work. Like I said before, all the parts are still under warranty through >>New Egg and I'd happily send them back but I need to figure out what's not >>working. Forget PC shops, IMO...they're only going to do the simple tests you can find on lists like these anyway ;-) BR

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations

by Jeff Kinz

On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 05:30:21PM -0400, track(a)trackspace.com wrote: > Thank you for all that responded. I'll try to summarize the answers to > all the follow-up questions in one reply. > > When I turn the power on, nothing happens except a red LED on the > motherboard lights up. The CPU fan doesn't spin, the computer doesn't > beep - nothing (so no beeps or POST codes). The weird thing is that when > I turn the power switch off, the LED stays lit for another 5-6 seconds. > I'm not sure if that means anything though... Do the power supply fans spin? the Abit NF7 with MB LEDs has two power LEDs - the red one, when lit, indicates standby by power. The green one, when lit, indicates the machine is powered up. You seem be stuck in standby mode. Try the front panel power switch a few times. (Count to 10 between each try, see if green MB LED turns on) If that doesn't work, try "aggressively" using the front panel switch. Sometimes the front panel switch start to fail and they have a hard time turning on the signal that tells the system to power up. These types of power switches are called "soft switches". used to use them at Apollo in the early 1980's. When they went bad, there was no way to turn a machine off. (or on). Have you tried clearing the CMOS? > > In case it matters, the mobo is an Abit NF7 with a single DIMM of 512MB > RAM (Crucial), an AMD Athlon 2400+ processor, an ATI Radeon 9600XT video > card and it's powered by a 400W power supply. I bought all the parts from > New Egg about 7 months ago, put it together and haven't had a single > problem save for this. > > I've tried running it bare bones and moving the DIMM into a different > slot. I have a spare computer, but the connector from the power supply > doesn't seem to have the same plug as the one on my board. I don't have > any extra RAM or a processor to try swapping things out with > unfortunately. > > I've tried Googling the symptoms and the red LED on the mobo to no avail. > It seems the only mention of the red LED problem was answered with the > typical "check your connections, the mobo's fried, etc..." - no real > diagnostics. > > I stopped in at a computer shop on 122A in Holden this afternoon and was > quoted a $35 "bench fee" for taking a look at it and $75/hr to do any > work. Like I said before, all the parts are still under warranty through > New Egg and I'd happily send them back but I need to figure out what's not > working. > > And I realize this is a Linux list and this is kind of off-topic. That > being said, you folks are pretty bright and knowledgable so I figured I'd > throw this out there. I do appreciate all the suggestions/comments so > far. > > Thanks, > Track > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA.

Sept. 17, 2004

Re: Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations

by Clint Moyer

The LED is +5V indicator. It's not likely a power supply problem. There are probably fans on the northbridge chip and CPU. Do they spin up? Bad memory can cause all kinds of flaky problems. Do you have a different stick you can try? At the very least, try booting with the DIMM slots empty and see if it behaves differently. If you'd like, contact me off list and I may be able to give it a try. I work for beer. ;) Clint > > From: track(a)trackspace.com > Date: 2004/09/16 Thu PM 05:30:21 EDT > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations > > Thank you for all that responded. I'll try to summarize the answers to > all the follow-up questions in one reply. > > When I turn the power on, nothing happens except a red LED on the > motherboard lights up. The CPU fan doesn't spin, the computer doesn't > beep - nothing (so no beeps or POST codes). The weird thing is that when > I turn the power switch off, the LED stays lit for another 5-6 seconds. > I'm not sure if that means anything though... > > In case it matters, the mobo is an Abit NF7 with a single DIMM of 512MB > RAM (Crucial), an AMD Athlon 2400+ processor, an ATI Radeon 9600XT video > card and it's powered by a 400W power supply. I bought all the parts from > New Egg about 7 months ago, put it together and haven't had a single > problem save for this. > > I've tried running it bare bones and moving the DIMM into a different > slot. I have a spare computer, but the connector from the power supply > doesn't seem to have the same plug as the one on my board. I don't have > any extra RAM or a processor to try swapping things out with > unfortunately. > > I've tried Googling the symptoms and the red LED on the mobo to no avail. > It seems the only mention of the red LED problem was answered with the > typical "check your connections, the mobo's fried, etc..." - no real > diagnostics. > > I stopped in at a computer shop on 122A in Holden this afternoon and was > quoted a $35 "bench fee" for taking a look at it and $75/hr to do any > work. Like I said before, all the parts are still under warranty through > New Egg and I'd happily send them back but I need to figure out what's not > working. > > And I realize this is a Linux list and this is kind of off-topic. That > being said, you folks are pretty bright and knowledgable so I figured I'd > throw this out there. I do appreciate all the suggestions/comments so > far. > > Thanks, > Track > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 16, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations

by track＠trackspace.com

Thank you for all that responded. I'll try to summarize the answers to all the follow-up questions in one reply. When I turn the power on, nothing happens except a red LED on the motherboard lights up. The CPU fan doesn't spin, the computer doesn't beep - nothing (so no beeps or POST codes). The weird thing is that when I turn the power switch off, the LED stays lit for another 5-6 seconds. I'm not sure if that means anything though... In case it matters, the mobo is an Abit NF7 with a single DIMM of 512MB RAM (Crucial), an AMD Athlon 2400+ processor, an ATI Radeon 9600XT video card and it's powered by a 400W power supply. I bought all the parts from New Egg about 7 months ago, put it together and haven't had a single problem save for this. I've tried running it bare bones and moving the DIMM into a different slot. I have a spare computer, but the connector from the power supply doesn't seem to have the same plug as the one on my board. I don't have any extra RAM or a processor to try swapping things out with unfortunately. I've tried Googling the symptoms and the red LED on the mobo to no avail. It seems the only mention of the red LED problem was answered with the typical "check your connections, the mobo's fried, etc..." - no real diagnostics. I stopped in at a computer shop on 122A in Holden this afternoon and was quoted a $35 "bench fee" for taking a look at it and $75/hr to do any work. Like I said before, all the parts are still under warranty through New Egg and I'd happily send them back but I need to figure out what's not working. And I realize this is a Linux list and this is kind of off-topic. That being said, you folks are pretty bright and knowledgable so I figured I'd throw this out there. I do appreciate all the suggestions/comments so far. Thanks, Track

Sept. 16, 2004

For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites)

by Bob George

Frank Sweetser wrote: >>[...] >>Is there a benefit to having a gmail account, other than the free >>space? > > Gmail actually is pretty neat. The whole archive and search vs folders takes > a little getting used to, but I think they implemented it pretty nicely. It > ends up giving you a very flexible view of your email archives. > > Oh yeah, and it's about an order of magnitutde faster than any other webmail > service I've tried =) As a long time Linux enthusiast, I've never quite understood the thrill of having 1GB of my personal data stored on someone else's server, much less on one that is hosted by a company that -- while mostly playing nice now -- reserves the right to do whatever with that data later. I've also not understood why that would be any more attractive than the building of a (better, faster, bigger) server of my own, particularly given the wealth of tools available to us GPL. On the BLU list recently, there was much discussion about building a cluster, but plans stalled when the reality of power and HVAC were detailed. However, hosting a box or two somewhere didn't seem to be an issue. So... For the tech-minded but still willing to store personal stuff outside, wouldn't a secure, private (as in gpg) and shared Gmail alternative make a good LUG project? I know many folks are looking for ways to get experience doing real-world things, and enough of us probably are interested in specific aspects of this to be involved at varying levels. Others may have hardware available for dontation. So... 1.) Is there interest in something like this 2.) Where could it be housed/hosted and what would it cost? Advantages I see are: 1.) A cool LUG project. I haven't heard of anyone doing this, and it makes for a nice "Gmail? Hah!" response at techie gatherings. 2.) A good hands-on project for the curious (apache, webmail, gpg/pgp, spamassassin, system hardening, procmail, php/whatever, mysql, etc.) 3.) We can address Gmail shortcomings 4.) We can enhance security and privacy (gpg/pgp, encrypted data and other options come to mind) 5.) We can allow users more direct (and effective) spam control (spamassassin, milters come to mind -- allow each user more control!) 6.) We can allow POP/IMAP access to/from the server (secure SMTP?) 7.) A good place to store LUG files etc. (be good now) 8.) Cool WLUG domain names! Disadvantages abound of course: 1.) Time - Effort to get started, and over the hump 2.) Money - Hosting primarily 3.) Support - Who'll fix it 4.) Scalability - Will it be killed by success? How much room can be allocated per-user? How big of a box before it buckles?

Sept. 16, 2004

FW: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations

by Clint Moyer

-----Original Message----- From: Martin, Eric [mailto:MartinE@worc.k12.ma.us] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:12 AM To: 'Clint Moyer ' Subject: RE: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations Def, also, what's your video card? If you have a spare PCI video card kicking around I suggest you try that. I had a suped up machine that did that because the power supply wasn't beefy enough...also, do you have a power supply tester? What does the manual / website say about a red light? What's the manufacturer / model of the mobo? Eric -----Original Message----- From: Clint Moyer To: Worcester Linux Users Group Sent: 9/16/2004 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations Start by trying to boot with the bare minimum components. Plug in only the CPU, one stick of RAM, video card, and keyboard. If you get absolutely nothing on the screen, try replacing memory first. > > From: track(a)trackspace.com > Date: 2004/09/15 Wed PM 07:21:44 EDT > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations > > After unpacking my computer during a recent move, I have been having > serious hardware issues. Basically, the computer won't boot up and the > only output I get is a burning red LED on the motherboard when I turn it > on. I've checked all the connections, Googled my symptoms and even > reinstalled all hardware, piece by piece. Luckily, everything but the > processor is under warranty and I don't have a problems RMA'ing something > back to NewEgg. I just need to narrow the problem equipment down and I'm > the first to admit my lack of hardware knowledge. > > Can someone recommend a local shop that can at least diagnose the issue > and maybe run some hardware tests? Hell, I'd even be glad to pay someone > local on this mailing list to diagnose my problem. > > Anyways, I'm all ears... Thanks! > > --Track > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 16, 2004

Re: [Wlug] gmail invites

by Brett Russ

Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 06:35:10PM -0400, Brett Russ wrote: > >>I have some to distribute. FCFS, serious inquiries only :-) >> >>BR > > > Is there a benefit to having a gmail account, other than the free > space? This is a question that's been debated to death on the net :-) It's fast webmail with a lot of space; easy and quick searches; custom labels can be applied to any mails automatically/manually. I still don't like that they by default set you up for top posted replies... BR

Sept. 16, 2004

Re: [Wlug] gmail invites

by Frank Sweetser

On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 10:24:01AM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 06:35:10PM -0400, Brett Russ wrote: > > I have some to distribute. FCFS, serious inquiries only :-) > > Is there a benefit to having a gmail account, other than the free > space? Gmail actually is pretty neat. The whole archive and search vs folders takes a little getting used to, but I think they implemented it pretty nicely. It ends up giving you a very flexible view of your email archives. Oh yeah, and it's about an order of magnitutde faster than any other webmail service I've tried =) -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

Sept. 16, 2004

Re: [Wlug] gmail invites

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 06:35:10PM -0400, Brett Russ wrote: > I have some to distribute. FCFS, serious inquiries only :-) > > BR Is there a benefit to having a gmail account, other than the free space? Bill

Sept. 16, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations

by Clint Moyer

Start by trying to boot with the bare minimum components. Plug in only the CPU, one stick of RAM, video card, and keyboard. If you get absolutely nothing on the screen, try replacing memory first. > > From: track(a)trackspace.com > Date: 2004/09/15 Wed PM 07:21:44 EDT > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations > > After unpacking my computer during a recent move, I have been having > serious hardware issues. Basically, the computer won't boot up and the > only output I get is a burning red LED on the motherboard when I turn it > on. I've checked all the connections, Googled my symptoms and even > reinstalled all hardware, piece by piece. Luckily, everything but the > processor is under warranty and I don't have a problems RMA'ing something > back to NewEgg. I just need to narrow the problem equipment down and I'm > the first to admit my lack of hardware knowledge. > > Can someone recommend a local shop that can at least diagnose the issue > and maybe run some hardware tests? Hell, I'd even be glad to pay someone > local on this mailing list to diagnose my problem. > > Anyways, I'm all ears... Thanks! > > --Track > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 16, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations

by donald vitkus

Jeff Kinz wrote: >On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 07:21:44PM -0400, track(a)trackspace.com wrote: > > >>After unpacking my computer during a recent move, I have been having >>serious hardware issues. Basically, the computer won't boot up and the >>only output I get is a burning red LED on the motherboard when I turn it >>on. I've checked all the connections, Googled my symptoms and even >>reinstalled all hardware, piece by piece. Luckily, everything but the >>processor is under warranty and I don't have a problems RMA'ing something >>back to NewEgg. I just need to narrow the problem equipment down and I'm >>the first to admit my lack of hardware knowledge. >> >>Can someone recommend a local shop that can at least diagnose the issue >>and maybe run some hardware tests? Hell, I'd even be glad to pay someone >>local on this mailing list to diagnose my problem. >> >>Anyways, I'm all ears... Thanks! >> >> > >Hi Track. I don't know of any local shops in Worcester, out here in >Hudson the shops charge you by the hour for hardware diagnostic work. > >However - The ONLY output you get is a red LED on the MB? > >Not even a blinking cursor on the monitor? >(Does the monitor work?, invoke the built in monitor menues, or >hook it to another machine to find out) > >Assuming an energystar monitor, does the power on led turn from >amber/orange to green when you power on the MB? > > >Before you go that route can I suggest... > > 1. What do the POST codes say? > (POST = Power On Self Test, usually, when a mother baord > is first powered on, it runs on-board diagnostics and then tries > to find external devices. It will/or won't beep based on what > it finds. the number and type of beeps you hear at power up > can clue you in on the level of problem you are having. You > will need to find the manual for your motherboard in order to > decode the beeps, or even to learn how to enable them in the > cmos > > 2. if you have any other working machines, you can swap > components in one at a time to test them > > > > > > > > did you reset the cmos on the motherboard?

Sept. 16, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Local service/repair recommendations

by Jeff Kinz

On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 07:21:44PM -0400, track(a)trackspace.com wrote: > After unpacking my computer during a recent move, I have been having > serious hardware issues. Basically, the computer won't boot up and the > only output I get is a burning red LED on the motherboard when I turn it > on. I've checked all the connections, Googled my symptoms and even > reinstalled all hardware, piece by piece. Luckily, everything but the > processor is under warranty and I don't have a problems RMA'ing something > back to NewEgg. I just need to narrow the problem equipment down and I'm > the first to admit my lack of hardware knowledge. > > Can someone recommend a local shop that can at least diagnose the issue > and maybe run some hardware tests? Hell, I'd even be glad to pay someone > local on this mailing list to diagnose my problem. > > Anyways, I'm all ears... Thanks! Hi Track. I don't know of any local shops in Worcester, out here in Hudson the shops charge you by the hour for hardware diagnostic work. However - The ONLY output you get is a red LED on the MB? Not even a blinking cursor on the monitor? (Does the monitor work?, invoke the built in monitor menues, or hook it to another machine to find out) Assuming an energystar monitor, does the power on led turn from amber/orange to green when you power on the MB? Before you go that route can I suggest... 1. What do the POST codes say? (POST = Power On Self Test, usually, when a mother baord is first powered on, it runs on-board diagnostics and then tries to find external devices. It will/or won't beep based on what it finds. the number and type of beeps you hear at power up can clue you in on the level of problem you are having. You will need to find the manual for your motherboard in order to decode the beeps, or even to learn how to enable them in the cmos 2. if you have any other working machines, you can swap components in one at a time to test them -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA.

Sept. 16, 2004

Re: [Wlug] gmail invites

by Chuck Haines

Yea, I got 8 of them. Chuck On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:42:12 -0400, Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > On Wednesday 15 September 2004 06:35 pm, Brett Russ wrote: > > I have some to distribute. FCFS, serious inquiries only :-) > > yeah, i got 6 spare ones too > -mike > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

Sept. 15, 2004

Local service/repair recommendations

by track＠trackspace.com

After unpacking my computer during a recent move, I have been having serious hardware issues. Basically, the computer won't boot up and the only output I get is a burning red LED on the motherboard when I turn it on. I've checked all the connections, Googled my symptoms and even reinstalled all hardware, piece by piece. Luckily, everything but the processor is under warranty and I don't have a problems RMA'ing something back to NewEgg. I just need to narrow the problem equipment down and I'm the first to admit my lack of hardware knowledge. Can someone recommend a local shop that can at least diagnose the issue and maybe run some hardware tests? Hell, I'd even be glad to pay someone local on this mailing list to diagnose my problem. Anyways, I'm all ears... Thanks! --Track

Sept. 15, 2004

Re: [Wlug] gmail invites

by Mike Frysinger

On Wednesday 15 September 2004 06:35 pm, Brett Russ wrote: > I have some to distribute. FCFS, serious inquiries only :-) yeah, i got 6 spare ones too -mike

Sept. 15, 2004

gmail invites

by Brett Russ

I have some to distribute. FCFS, serious inquiries only :-) BR

Sept. 15, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, I just came home from work feeling rather ill, thus I'll miss this evening's WLUG meeting. :-( Please carry on without me and have a great time! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBSJ7xHl0iXDssISsRAlb2AJ9+NHfwfaCGMLRqCBz3i6Sgwbo3agCfbziO S7vIFyLX498J5jHGSlzfndw= =b37R -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 15, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting

by Martin, Eric

I'll give a go if its gonna be round table as well -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Caron [mailto:rcaron@WPI.EDU] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:46 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting I too will talk about Gentoo in this round table format. Some lessons learned from my experience with Gentoo over the past year could prevent people from making the same mistakes that I did. Ryan Caron > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:58:28 -0400 > From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> > Subject: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting > To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <200409122058.37105.andystewart(a)comcast.net> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > HI Everybody, > > Our next WLUG meeting will be held on Wednesday, Sept. 15th at 7:00 PM > in the > Access Grid room at WPI. Directions can be found on the WLUG website. > > This meeting's topic will be "Gentoo". You can find more info here: > http://www.gentoo.org/ > > We have a couple of people who have volunteered to bring in their > Gentoo > machines. I would encourage anybody who has used Gentoo to come and teach > those of us who are less familiar. > > Since nobody has (yet) volunteered to give a talk, I hope that enough > people > with Gentoo experience will be at the meeting, and we can have sort of a > "round table" (as it were) discussion. > > See ya there! > > Andy > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBRPC7Hl0iXDssISsRApOWAJ9wCT4gnoBL7ILSCba6DvjGf102ogCfbdKi > p3V/9ZylvDoWJTrSCRa9DPg= > =SI01 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 15, 2004

Re: [Wlug] linux vpn client?

by Mike Leo

my understanding is that it is free as in beer. I believe you can even go to the cisco web site, sign up for free, and download all the clients you want. I will bring it to the meeting and ya'll can decide for yourselves. --- Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Monday 13 September 2004 6:19 pm, Mike Leo wrote: > > my understanding is that the client is free...but > i am > > not 100% positive. > > I think Tim would want to know if the client comes > with source code and/or if > it is free of cost. Is it free as in beer ? Is it > free as in speech ? > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBRjH7Hl0iXDssISsRAhwgAJ0bVp+2bki9ZVTgLA7Y2GfPifPkuwCeMyLQ > LHBMGJN9PdfYVOZwxR0K9C8= > =6tPJ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Sept. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] linux vpn client?

by Brian J. Conway

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:49:48 -0400 Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > On Monday 13 September 2004 07:49 pm, Andy Stewart wrote: > > I think Tim would want to know if the client comes with source code > > and/or if it is free of cost. Is it free as in beer ? Is it free as > > in speech ? > > http://cco.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/secursw/ps2308/index.html > it is not free, does require a license of sorts, but you can cheat and > google for the tarball if you know it by name (a bunch of sites show up) > > i know it is distributed as partial source and partial binary, kind of > like the nvidia driver ... open up some parts but keep the IP hidden in > compiled form > -mike It's probably worth mentioning that the client won't do you much good unless you're connecting to Cisco's Concatenator or other VPN hardware (I believe). I don't recall the original poster saying what he wanted the client to do, but I don't think it's a generic VPN client. Brian J. Conway bconway(at)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Sept. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] linux vpn client?

by Mike Frysinger

On Monday 13 September 2004 07:49 pm, Andy Stewart wrote: > I think Tim would want to know if the client comes with source code and/or > if it is free of cost. Is it free as in beer ? Is it free as in speech ? http://cco.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/secursw/ps2308/index.html it is not free, does require a license of sorts, but you can cheat and google for the tarball if you know it by name (a bunch of sites show up) i know it is distributed as partial source and partial binary, kind of like the nvidia driver ... open up some parts but keep the IP hidden in compiled form -mike

Sept. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] linux vpn client?

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 13 September 2004 6:19 pm, Mike Leo wrote: > my understanding is that the client is free...but i am > not 100% positive. I think Tim would want to know if the client comes with source code and/or if it is free of cost. Is it free as in beer ? Is it free as in speech ? Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBRjH7Hl0iXDssISsRAhwgAJ0bVp+2bki9ZVTgLA7Y2GfPifPkuwCeMyLQ LHBMGJN9PdfYVOZwxR0K9C8= =6tPJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] linux vpn client?

by Mike Leo

my understanding is that the client is free...but i am not 100% positive. --- Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > On Monday 13 September 2004 04:04 pm, Mike Leo > wrote: > > I have a cisco vpn client for linux but don't know > if > > it works with secureID...ill check into it shorlty > > yes but dont you need a license to use the cisco > client > -mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Sept. 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] linux vpn client?

by Mike Frysinger

On Monday 13 September 2004 04:04 pm, Mike Leo wrote: > I have a cisco vpn client for linux but don't know if > it works with secureID...ill check into it shorlty yes but dont you need a license to use the cisco client -mike

Sept. 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 13 September 2004 6:48 am, Mike Leo wrote: > I don't mind speaking but there is no way I can speak > on Gentoo for an hour. That's OK...I don't think anybody expects you to talk for an hour. :-) > > ALso, what do I need to bring? Mouse? keyboard? > power? Yeah, I'd bring it all just to be sure we have it. > > Thanks > mike Thank you for being willing to bring your stuff to the meeting! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBRhMuHl0iXDssISsRAh4iAJ4/cu4d4wEdyF4TrHgcrjRrTuBrqwCfSoFO v0rYakmTr814aXoWDC8aVsg= =lAJV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 13, 2004

VPN Client

by Mike Leo

I think this client does support SecurID...its helpfile lists RSA SecurID a few times in the Authentication seccion. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Sept. 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] linux vpn client?

by Mike Leo

I have a cisco vpn client for linux but don't know if it works with secureID...ill check into it shorlty --- "Keller, Tim" <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> wrote: > I've done the obligatory googling and so far I've > come up with snake eyes. > I'm looking for a VPN client for linux that'll work > with a SecurID. > > Thanks, > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com

Sept. 13, 2004

linux vpn client?

by Keller, Tim

I've done the obligatory googling and so far I've come up with snake eyes. I'm looking for a VPN client for linux that'll work with a SecurID. Thanks, Tim.

Sept. 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting

by Ryan Caron

I too will talk about Gentoo in this round table format. Some lessons learned from my experience with Gentoo over the past year could prevent people from making the same mistakes that I did. Ryan Caron > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:58:28 -0400 > From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> > Subject: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting > To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <200409122058.37105.andystewart(a)comcast.net> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > HI Everybody, > > Our next WLUG meeting will be held on Wednesday, Sept. 15th at 7:00 PM in the > Access Grid room at WPI. Directions can be found on the WLUG website. > > This meeting's topic will be "Gentoo". You can find more info here: > http://www.gentoo.org/ > > We have a couple of people who have volunteered to bring in their Gentoo > machines. I would encourage anybody who has used Gentoo to come and teach > those of us who are less familiar. > > Since nobody has (yet) volunteered to give a talk, I hope that enough people > with Gentoo experience will be at the meeting, and we can have sort of a > "round table" (as it were) discussion. > > See ya there! > > Andy > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBRPC7Hl0iXDssISsRApOWAJ9wCT4gnoBL7ILSCba6DvjGf102ogCfbdKi > p3V/9ZylvDoWJTrSCRa9DPg= > =SI01 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting

by Mike Leo

I don't mind speaking but there is no way I can speak on Gentoo for an hour. ALso, what do I need to bring? Mouse? keyboard? power? Thanks mike --- Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > HI Everybody, > > Our next WLUG meeting will be held on Wednesday, > Sept. 15th at 7:00 PM in the > Access Grid room at WPI. Directions can be found on > the WLUG website. > > This meeting's topic will be "Gentoo". You can find > more info here: > http://www.gentoo.org/ > > We have a couple of people who have volunteered to > bring in their Gentoo > machines. I would encourage anybody who has used > Gentoo to come and teach > those of us who are less familiar. > > Since nobody has (yet) volunteered to give a talk, I > hope that enough people > with Gentoo experience will be at the meeting, and > we can have sort of a > "round table" (as it were) discussion. > > See ya there! > > Andy > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBRPC7Hl0iXDssISsRApOWAJ9wCT4gnoBL7ILSCba6DvjGf102ogCfbdKi > p3V/9ZylvDoWJTrSCRa9DPg= > =SI01 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com/backtoschool

Sept. 13, 2004

Upcoming meeting

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, Our next WLUG meeting will be held on Wednesday, Sept. 15th at 7:00 PM in the Access Grid room at WPI. Directions can be found on the WLUG website. This meeting's topic will be "Gentoo". You can find more info here: http://www.gentoo.org/ We have a couple of people who have volunteered to bring in their Gentoo machines. I would encourage anybody who has used Gentoo to come and teach those of us who are less familiar. Since nobody has (yet) volunteered to give a talk, I hope that enough people with Gentoo experience will be at the meeting, and we can have sort of a "round table" (as it were) discussion. See ya there! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBRPC7Hl0iXDssISsRApOWAJ9wCT4gnoBL7ILSCba6DvjGf102ogCfbdKi p3V/9ZylvDoWJTrSCRa9DPg= =SI01 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] WLUG IRC channel

by Brian J. Conway

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:18:56 -0400 "Charles R. Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > Come one, come all! Bob George has acquired a new IRC channel for us > to replace #wlug which had been abandoned but still controlled by > Western LUG, http://www.westernlug.org/. > > Join us at our new IRC home: > > Connect to: irc.freenode.net > /join #wlug-ma > > Hope to see some of you soon! If someone were to mail the Freenode admins, they'd probably be happy to clear the abandoned channel. Brian J. Conway bconway(at)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Sept. 13, 2004

WLUG IRC channel

by Charles R. Anderson

Come one, come all! Bob George has acquired a new IRC channel for us to replace #wlug which had been abandoned but still controlled by Western LUG, http://www.westernlug.org/. Join us at our new IRC home: Connect to: irc.freenode.net /join #wlug-ma Hope to see some of you soon!

Sept. 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 11, Issue 11

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 10 September 2004 2:23 pm, Ryan Caron wrote: > I have a laptop that I want to do a Gentoo install on. We could use that > for showing a stage3 "fast" install and switch to Mike's small form factor > for post-install. I also have a small form factor PC I could bring in > that has Gentoo on it if necessary. HI Ryan and Mike, Bring your machines to the meeting if you can. I think that will work well in conjunction with whomever volunteers to give us all an introduction to Gentoo (hint: volunteer(s) still sought). Thanks, Andy > > I think discussing what makes Gentoo unique, its pros and cons, will be > great. If we're going to discuss why distro is better (or worse) than > other than I say Debian. I say this because the "pretty" distros (SuSe, > Mandrake, Fedora) are too different for a fair comparison. I also say > this because I switched to Gentoo after trying a little bit of Debian. > > Sincerely, > Ryan Caron > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:31:38 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting... > > To: andystewart(a)comcast.net, Worcester Linux Users Group > > <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > Message-ID: <20040910143138.35900.qmail(a)web51309.mail.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > I have a recently installed Gentoo on a small form > > factor PC i can volunteer...its much easier to carry > > around than a big machine is. > > > > I suspect the meeting would be a begining the Gentoo > > install and since there isnt enough time to wait, we > > can cut over to an installed system. > > > > I don't mind sharing what I know, but I know nothing > > more then what it looks like at the end. > > > > Let me know and I can plan to bring this machine in. > > > > thanks > > Mike > > > > --- Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > > > Wow...time flies...its nearly meeting time again. > > > > > > Based on what I saw on the mailing list recently, > > > I'm wondering if we should > > > have a "Gentoo" meeting. Who would like to > > > volunteer to do this (it could be > > > more than one)? Here is a possible outline: > > > > > > - what is Gentoo? > > > - why Gentoo vs. <pick_another_distro>? > > > - demo an install (albeit a "shortcut" with > > > everything precompiled) > > > - pros / cons > > > - cool features! > > > > > > Perhaps one person could give the group an overview, > > > while a couple of other > > > people demo other aspects of Gentoo. > > > > > > To those of you already running Gentoo: does this > > > make sense? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Andy > > > - -- > > > Andy Stewart, Founder > > > Worcester Linux Users' Group > > > Worcester, MA USA > > > http://www.wlug.org > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFBQRvPHl0iXDssISsRApljAJ4lUVUWMM/mKWLvXcEtHiwkniWZdACfaID5 > > > > > g9XYdO5QsHdWMmAJUuWuWIk= > > > =SQOI > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBQj5VHl0iXDssISsRAgwsAJ939aaXhjDczamwHtsgcmg4iTiivgCfcAbO Jbda5aRPTxsqMXkIB8npT4Y= =p6yN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 10, 2004

Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 11, Issue 11

by Ryan Caron

I have a laptop that I want to do a Gentoo install on. We could use that for showing a stage3 "fast" install and switch to Mike's small form factor for post-install. I also have a small form factor PC I could bring in that has Gentoo on it if necessary. I think discussing what makes Gentoo unique, its pros and cons, will be great. If we're going to discuss why distro is better (or worse) than other than I say Debian. I say this because the "pretty" distros (SuSe, Mandrake, Fedora) are too different for a fair comparison. I also say this because I switched to Gentoo after trying a little bit of Debian. Sincerely, Ryan Caron > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:31:38 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting... > To: andystewart(a)comcast.net, Worcester Linux Users Group > <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <20040910143138.35900.qmail(a)web51309.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I have a recently installed Gentoo on a small form > factor PC i can volunteer...its much easier to carry > around than a big machine is. > > I suspect the meeting would be a begining the Gentoo > install and since there isnt enough time to wait, we > can cut over to an installed system. > > I don't mind sharing what I know, but I know nothing > more then what it looks like at the end. > > Let me know and I can plan to bring this machine in. > > thanks > Mike > > > > --- Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > Wow...time flies...its nearly meeting time again. > > > > Based on what I saw on the mailing list recently, > > I'm wondering if we should > > have a "Gentoo" meeting. Who would like to > > volunteer to do this (it could be > > more than one)? Here is a possible outline: > > > > - what is Gentoo? > > - why Gentoo vs. <pick_another_distro>? > > - demo an install (albeit a "shortcut" with > > everything precompiled) > > - pros / cons > > - cool features! > > > > Perhaps one person could give the group an overview, > > while a couple of other > > people demo other aspects of Gentoo. > > > > To those of you already running Gentoo: does this > > make sense? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Andy > > - -- > > Andy Stewart, Founder > > Worcester Linux Users' Group > > Worcester, MA USA > > http://www.wlug.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > iD8DBQFBQRvPHl0iXDssISsRApljAJ4lUVUWMM/mKWLvXcEtHiwkniWZdACfaID5 > > g9XYdO5QsHdWMmAJUuWuWIk= > > =SQOI > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 10, 2004

Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 11, Issue 11

by Ryan Caron

> Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:31:38 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting... > To: andystewart(a)comcast.net, Worcester Linux Users Group > <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <20040910143138.35900.qmail(a)web51309.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I have a recently installed Gentoo on a small form > factor PC i can volunteer...its much easier to carry > around than a big machine is. > > I suspect the meeting would be a begining the Gentoo > install and since there isnt enough time to wait, we > can cut over to an installed system. > > I don't mind sharing what I know, but I know nothing > more then what it looks like at the end. > > Let me know and I can plan to bring this machine in. > > thanks > Mike > > > > --- Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > Wow...time flies...its nearly meeting time again. > > > > Based on what I saw on the mailing list recently, > > I'm wondering if we should > > have a "Gentoo" meeting. Who would like to > > volunteer to do this (it could be > > more than one)? Here is a possible outline: > > > > - what is Gentoo? > > - why Gentoo vs. <pick_another_distro>? > > - demo an install (albeit a "shortcut" with > > everything precompiled) > > - pros / cons > > - cool features! > > > > Perhaps one person could give the group an overview, > > while a couple of other > > people demo other aspects of Gentoo. > > > > To those of you already running Gentoo: does this > > make sense? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Andy > > - -- > > Andy Stewart, Founder > > Worcester Linux Users' Group > > Worcester, MA USA > > http://www.wlug.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > iD8DBQFBQRvPHl0iXDssISsRApljAJ4lUVUWMM/mKWLvXcEtHiwkniWZdACfaID5 > > g9XYdO5QsHdWMmAJUuWuWIk= > > =SQOI > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 11, Issue 11 > ************************************ > >

Sept. 10, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting...

by Mike Leo

I have a recently installed Gentoo on a small form factor PC i can volunteer...its much easier to carry around than a big machine is. I suspect the meeting would be a begining the Gentoo install and since there isnt enough time to wait, we can cut over to an installed system. I don't mind sharing what I know, but I know nothing more then what it looks like at the end. Let me know and I can plan to bring this machine in. thanks Mike --- Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Hi everybody, > > Wow...time flies...its nearly meeting time again. > > Based on what I saw on the mailing list recently, > I'm wondering if we should > have a "Gentoo" meeting. Who would like to > volunteer to do this (it could be > more than one)? Here is a possible outline: > > - what is Gentoo? > - why Gentoo vs. <pick_another_distro>? > - demo an install (albeit a "shortcut" with > everything precompiled) > - pros / cons > - cool features! > > Perhaps one person could give the group an overview, > while a couple of other > people demo other aspects of Gentoo. > > To those of you already running Gentoo: does this > make sense? > > Thanks, > > Andy > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBQRvPHl0iXDssISsRApljAJ4lUVUWMM/mKWLvXcEtHiwkniWZdACfaID5 > g9XYdO5QsHdWMmAJUuWuWIk= > =SQOI > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Sept. 10, 2004

Upcoming meeting...

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everybody, Wow...time flies...its nearly meeting time again. Based on what I saw on the mailing list recently, I'm wondering if we should have a "Gentoo" meeting. Who would like to volunteer to do this (it could be more than one)? Here is a possible outline: - what is Gentoo? - why Gentoo vs. <pick_another_distro>? - demo an install (albeit a "shortcut" with everything precompiled) - pros / cons - cool features! Perhaps one person could give the group an overview, while a couple of other people demo other aspects of Gentoo. To those of you already running Gentoo: does this make sense? Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBQRvPHl0iXDssISsRApljAJ4lUVUWMM/mKWLvXcEtHiwkniWZdACfaID5 g9XYdO5QsHdWMmAJUuWuWIk= =SQOI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 10, 2004

Re: [Wlug] NFS Trouble

by Chuck Haines

I will try all of these things and get back to everyone on what I find out. Thanks a bunch for your help. Chuck On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:39:21 -0400, John Stoffel <stoffel(a)lucent.com> wrote: > > Chuck> The curent line from the fstab is as follows: > Chuck> hostname:/home /home nfs > Chuck> rsize=4096,wsize=4096,bg,intr,rw,actimeo=15 0 0 > > Here's one of the problems, you're not specifying TCP here, and you're > using pretty low numbers. Try changing to use 32768 and tcp for your > numbers. > > Also, have you checked the duplex on server to make sure it's ok? You > mention you're using RAID on the server, I assume RAID5? If so, what > kind of stripe size are you using? > > What does 'vmstat 1' (on the server) say from about 15 seconds before > the copy kicks in, to about 15 seconds after the copy is done? > > Does the time scale up linearly when you copy a 100mb file? Or drop > by half when you copy a 25mb file? > > What filesystem are you using on the NFS server and do you have quotas > or anything else like that setup? How full is the filesystem? > > What happens if you write a pair of 50 mb files at the same time from > two different clients? Does the time double? Does the load double? > > Basically, I don't know what's going on here, but I suspect: > > 1. network speed/duplex mismatch - that you're seeing lots of timeouts > and retries on writes, but not reads. > > 2. NFS needs tuning on the clients to write in bigger chunks > > 3. You're RAID stinks. Which reminds me, how much time does a write > from a non-raid disk on the server to the home directory/raid disk > take? Can you time the write time of a 50mb file and if it's still > ugly, then you've narrowed down the issue. > > Basically, there's alot of potential problems here and we need more > details. > > John > John Stoffel - Senior Unix Systems Administrator - Lucent Technologies > stoffel(a)lucent.com - http://www.lucent.com - 978-952-7548 > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

Sept. 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] NFS Trouble

by John Stoffel

Chuck> The curent line from the fstab is as follows: Chuck> hostname:/home /home nfs Chuck> rsize=4096,wsize=4096,bg,intr,rw,actimeo=15 0 0 Here's one of the problems, you're not specifying TCP here, and you're using pretty low numbers. Try changing to use 32768 and tcp for your numbers. Also, have you checked the duplex on server to make sure it's ok? You mention you're using RAID on the server, I assume RAID5? If so, what kind of stripe size are you using? What does 'vmstat 1' (on the server) say from about 15 seconds before the copy kicks in, to about 15 seconds after the copy is done? Does the time scale up linearly when you copy a 100mb file? Or drop by half when you copy a 25mb file? What filesystem are you using on the NFS server and do you have quotas or anything else like that setup? How full is the filesystem? What happens if you write a pair of 50 mb files at the same time from two different clients? Does the time double? Does the load double? Basically, I don't know what's going on here, but I suspect: 1. network speed/duplex mismatch - that you're seeing lots of timeouts and retries on writes, but not reads. 2. NFS needs tuning on the clients to write in bigger chunks 3. You're RAID stinks. Which reminds me, how much time does a write from a non-raid disk on the server to the home directory/raid disk take? Can you time the write time of a 50mb file and if it's still ugly, then you've narrowed down the issue. Basically, there's alot of potential problems here and we need more details. John John Stoffel - Senior Unix Systems Administrator - Lucent Technologies stoffel(a)lucent.com - http://www.lucent.com - 978-952-7548

Sept. 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] NFS Trouble

by Chuck Haines

It is all software raid, so I assumed slightly more intensive, however I didn't expect a load of 7 either. The raid array is 7 73.6 GB Ultra320 SCSI 15k RPM drives connected to the machine via Ultra320 SCSI (it's a dell powervault connected to a dell poweredge). Chuck On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:54:47 -0400, Keller, Tim <tim.keller(a)stratus.com> wrote: > What's the disk like on the nfs server? > > If it's all software based RAID, writing is going to be really expensive CPU > wise vs. reading. Though even with that said, I can't see where a 50 meg > file would put a load of 7 on a box. > > Tim. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dwight A. Ernest [mailto:dwight@significant.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:24 PM > To: Chuck Haines; Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] NFS Trouble > > With what options did you mount the volume on the client? > > Chuck Haines wrote: > > > I have an interesting problem that is occuring. I have a /home > > directory on a file server and I have several login servers that mount > > this /home directory via NFS. Now this /home directory has a ton of > > files and directorys (about 2000 user accounts). I noticed that when > > I perform a copy of a large file ( I tested with a 50 MB file) on a > > login server from something like /tmp to the NFS mounted /home, the > > load average on the file server jumps up to over 7, and seems to take > > forever (around 3-4 minutes). If I copy a large file (once again I > > tested with 50 MB) from the NFS mounted /home to like /tmp on the > > login server, there is no noticable load average increase and it > > occurs in approximately 10-15 seconds. So it seems that writes to the > > NFS mounted /home are taking longer than they should and are spiking > > the load average. Both the file server and the login servers are dual > > P3's with 2 gigs of ram. Has anyone ever seen anything like this, or > > knows of any solutions to this problem? > > > > Thanks, > > Chuck > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

Sept. 9, 2004

RE: [Wlug] NFS Trouble

by Keller, Tim

What's the disk like on the nfs server? If it's all software based RAID, writing is going to be really expensive CPU wise vs. reading. Though even with that said, I can't see where a 50 meg file would put a load of 7 on a box. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Dwight A. Ernest [mailto:dwight@significant.com] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:24 PM To: Chuck Haines; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] NFS Trouble With what options did you mount the volume on the client? Chuck Haines wrote: > I have an interesting problem that is occuring. I have a /home > directory on a file server and I have several login servers that mount > this /home directory via NFS. Now this /home directory has a ton of > files and directorys (about 2000 user accounts). I noticed that when > I perform a copy of a large file ( I tested with a 50 MB file) on a > login server from something like /tmp to the NFS mounted /home, the > load average on the file server jumps up to over 7, and seems to take > forever (around 3-4 minutes). If I copy a large file (once again I > tested with 50 MB) from the NFS mounted /home to like /tmp on the > login server, there is no noticable load average increase and it > occurs in approximately 10-15 seconds. So it seems that writes to the > NFS mounted /home are taking longer than they should and are spiking > the load average. Both the file server and the login servers are dual > P3's with 2 gigs of ram. Has anyone ever seen anything like this, or > knows of any solutions to this problem? > > Thanks, > Chuck > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 9, 2004

Fwd: [Wlug] NFS Trouble

by Chuck Haines

Meant to sent this to the whole list. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:44:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [Wlug] NFS Trouble To: jmoyer(a)redhat.com Server: Kernel = 2.4.21-15.ELsmp nfs-util = 1.0.6-21EL Client: Kernel = 2.4.21-15.ELsmp nfs-util = 1.0.6-21EL Both machines are running RedHat Advance Server 3.0 ( Taroon Update 2). When performing the copy, top on the server loops like this after about 75% of the transfer: 13:43:19 up 26 days, 6:05, 2 users, load average: 7.19, 3.30, 1.62 125 processes: 124 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: cpu user nice system irq softirq iowait idle total 0.2% 0.0% 1.6% 0.0% 0.4% 48.3% 49.3% cpu00 0.0% 0.0% 1.6% 0.0% 0.0% 66.6% 31.6% cpu01 0.4% 0.0% 1.6% 0.0% 0.8% 30.0% 67.0% Mem: 2061576k av, 2044428k used, 17148k free, 0k shrd, 351044k buff 1425940k actv, 270704k in_d, 31124k in_c Swap: 1052248k av, 19780k used, 1032468k free 1371100k cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND 24242 bkmcd 15 0 4648 4220 3012 S 0.4 0.2 0:03 1 smbd 165 root 17 0 0 0 0 SW 0.2 0.0 26:10 0 raid5d 4783 root 15 0 0 0 0 DW 0.2 0.0 80:48 0 nfsd 4790 root 15 0 0 0 0 DW 0.2 0.0 80:29 1 nfsd 4788 root 15 0 0 0 0 DW 0.2 0.0 82:35 0 nfsd 4785 root 15 0 0 0 0 DW 0.2 0.0 80:40 0 nfsd 4784 root 15 0 0 0 0 DW 0.2 0.0 81:18 1 nfsd 24515 chaines 15 0 1256 1256 900 R 0.2 0.0 0:00 0 top 1 root 15 0 508 468 448 S 0.0 0.0 0:24 0 init 2 root RT 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 migration/0 As you can see, most of the CPU is in an IO wait state. Hope this helps, Chuck On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:54:28 -0400, Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> wrote: > ==> Regarding [Wlug] NFS Trouble; Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com> adds: > > chaines> I have an interesting problem that is occuring. I have a /home > chaines> directory on a file server and I have several login servers that > chaines> mount this /home directory via NFS. Now this /home directory has > chaines> a ton of files and directorys (about 2000 user accounts). I > chaines> noticed that when I perform a copy of a large file ( I tested with > chaines> a 50 MB file) on a login server from something like /tmp to the > chaines> NFS mounted /home, the load average on the file server jumps up to > chaines> over 7, and seems to take forever (around 3-4 minutes). If I copy > chaines> a large file (once again I tested with 50 MB) from the NFS mounted > chaines> /home to like /tmp on the login server, there is no noticable load > chaines> average increase and it occurs in approximately 10-15 seconds. So > chaines> it seems that writes to the NFS mounted /home are taking longer > chaines> than they should and are spiking the load average. Both the file > chaines> server and the login servers are dual P3's with 2 gigs of ram. > chaines> Has anyone ever seen anything like this, or knows of any solutions > chaines> to this problem? > > Kernel version (client and server)? Version of nfs-utils? What does top > show as taking up CPU when you do the copy and your load average spikes? > > -Jeff > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

Sept. 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] NFS Trouble

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding [Wlug] NFS Trouble; Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com> adds: chaines> I have an interesting problem that is occuring. I have a /home chaines> directory on a file server and I have several login servers that chaines> mount this /home directory via NFS. Now this /home directory has chaines> a ton of files and directorys (about 2000 user accounts). I chaines> noticed that when I perform a copy of a large file ( I tested with chaines> a 50 MB file) on a login server from something like /tmp to the chaines> NFS mounted /home, the load average on the file server jumps up to chaines> over 7, and seems to take forever (around 3-4 minutes). If I copy chaines> a large file (once again I tested with 50 MB) from the NFS mounted chaines> /home to like /tmp on the login server, there is no noticable load chaines> average increase and it occurs in approximately 10-15 seconds. So chaines> it seems that writes to the NFS mounted /home are taking longer chaines> than they should and are spiking the load average. Both the file chaines> server and the login servers are dual P3's with 2 gigs of ram. chaines> Has anyone ever seen anything like this, or knows of any solutions chaines> to this problem? Kernel version (client and server)? Version of nfs-utils? What does top show as taking up CPU when you do the copy and your load average spikes? -Jeff

Sept. 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] NFS Trouble

by Chuck Haines

The curent line from the fstab is as follows: hostname:/home /home nfs rsize=4096,wsize=4096,bg,intr,rw,actimeo=15 0 0 Where hostname is replaced with the name of the machine I am mounting the /home from. Chuck On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:23:52 -0400, Dwight A. Ernest <dwight(a)significant.com> wrote: > With what options did you mount the volume on the client? > > > > Chuck Haines wrote: > > > I have an interesting problem that is occuring. I have a /home > > directory on a file server and I have several login servers that mount > > this /home directory via NFS. Now this /home directory has a ton of > > files and directorys (about 2000 user accounts). I noticed that when > > I perform a copy of a large file ( I tested with a 50 MB file) on a > > login server from something like /tmp to the NFS mounted /home, the > > load average on the file server jumps up to over 7, and seems to take > > forever (around 3-4 minutes). If I copy a large file (once again I > > tested with 50 MB) from the NFS mounted /home to like /tmp on the > > login server, there is no noticable load average increase and it > > occurs in approximately 10-15 seconds. So it seems that writes to the > > NFS mounted /home are taking longer than they should and are spiking > > the load average. Both the file server and the login servers are dual > > P3's with 2 gigs of ram. Has anyone ever seen anything like this, or > > knows of any solutions to this problem? > > > > Thanks, > > Chuck > > > > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

Sept. 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] NFS Trouble

by Dwight A. Ernest

With what options did you mount the volume on the client? Chuck Haines wrote: > I have an interesting problem that is occuring. I have a /home > directory on a file server and I have several login servers that mount > this /home directory via NFS. Now this /home directory has a ton of > files and directorys (about 2000 user accounts). I noticed that when > I perform a copy of a large file ( I tested with a 50 MB file) on a > login server from something like /tmp to the NFS mounted /home, the > load average on the file server jumps up to over 7, and seems to take > forever (around 3-4 minutes). If I copy a large file (once again I > tested with 50 MB) from the NFS mounted /home to like /tmp on the > login server, there is no noticable load average increase and it > occurs in approximately 10-15 seconds. So it seems that writes to the > NFS mounted /home are taking longer than they should and are spiking > the load average. Both the file server and the login servers are dual > P3's with 2 gigs of ram. Has anyone ever seen anything like this, or > knows of any solutions to this problem? > > Thanks, > Chuck >

Sept. 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] NFS Trouble

by Mike Frysinger

On Thursday 09 September 2004 11:59 am, Chuck Haines wrote: > Has anyone ever seen anything like this, or > knows of any solutions to this problem? i havent seen anything like that before, but i have had random NFS issues ... i found using NFSv3 over TCP resolved pretty much all of the problems i experienced while using NFSv2 or NFSv3 over UDP you could also try tweaking the rsize and wsize parameters for the mount -mike

Sept. 9, 2004

NFS Trouble

by Chuck Haines

I have an interesting problem that is occuring. I have a /home directory on a file server and I have several login servers that mount this /home directory via NFS. Now this /home directory has a ton of files and directorys (about 2000 user accounts). I noticed that when I perform a copy of a large file ( I tested with a 50 MB file) on a login server from something like /tmp to the NFS mounted /home, the load average on the file server jumps up to over 7, and seems to take forever (around 3-4 minutes). If I copy a large file (once again I tested with 50 MB) from the NFS mounted /home to like /tmp on the login server, there is no noticable load average increase and it occurs in approximately 10-15 seconds. So it seems that writes to the NFS mounted /home are taking longer than they should and are spiking the load average. Both the file server and the login servers are dual P3's with 2 gigs of ram. Has anyone ever seen anything like this, or knows of any solutions to this problem? Thanks, Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

Sept. 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux Photo Printer recommendations

by John Stoffel

Thanks for the quick reply Andy, but I managed to figure it out last night. Background, I've got a Debian system which is pretty aggressively updated with apt. Mostly unstable, with some testing thrown in. CUPs has been working just fine for ages now, since I've got an HP LaserJet 4 on the network that I share with my wife. But this time I couldn't get the CUPs web GUI to even show or accept any URI's on the form of /dev/usb/lp0, which is where the printer shows up under udev. Well, it turned out that half of the backends in /usr/lib/cups/backend/ weren't executable, even though they were there. So I just did a chomd +x /usr/lib/cups/backend/* /etc/init.d/cupsys restart and went back to http://localhost:631/admin and I was able to add the printer without any problems. What a pain! I had also deinstalled and re-installed various versions of cups as well, but obviously there's a problem with the debian setup of version 1.1.20final+rc1-5 which is what I have installed. So at this point I've got my R300 hooked up and working, now to play with GIMP for printing out photos. And boy, is it slow on my system, which is only a PIII Xeon 550mhz dual CPU box. Using the highest resolution of the printer, and the highest resolution picture from my camera, I ended up printing 85mb of data for a 4x6 snapshot. Ouch! John

Sept. 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux Photo Printer recommendations

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 08 September 2004 10:08 am, John Stoffel wrote: > > Andy, I misplaced the link to your doc on getting CUPS working with > USB printers, can you resend it? http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/users-guide.pdf See Chapter 3, it might help. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBP4hZHl0iXDssISsRAkm9AJ4q/6Tva2vQPb2UmHRaSwMkha4ncACggC58 fPIqVBUJCwwDesxAuFqL/R4= =2qj1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux Photo Printer recommendations

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Robert" == Robert L Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> writes: Robert> Unless you really need the Ultrachrome inks, I'd go with the Robert> R200 or R300. They're cheaper than the 960 and better tuned. I've gone with an R300, puts out nice output so far, but now to get CUPS to recognize it properly. The docs suck, as does the admin web page thing. Andy, I misplaced the link to your doc on getting CUPS working with USB printers, can you resend it? Thanks, John

Sept. 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux Photo Printer recommendations

by Robert L Krawitz

Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:24:33 -0400 From: "John Stoffel" <stoffel(a)lucent.com> >>>>> "Robert" == Robert L Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> writes: Robert> The only one that's cheaper is the R800, but that's currently Robert> marginally supported at best. In particular, it only operates Robert> in CMYK mode right now, and it's going to take me a while to Robert> get the red and blue inks (and gloss optimizer) working Robert> correctly. So it really sounds like the R200 or the R300(M) might be a better choice for me, since I don't want to spend a ton of money here. I know I'll be spending it on the paper/ink no matter what. Or an 960 might still be an ok choice? Unless you really need the Ultrachrome inks, I'd go with the R200 or R300. They're cheaper than the 960 and better tuned. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

Sept. 7, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux Photo Printer recommendations

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Robert" == Robert L Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> writes: Robert> The only one that's cheaper is the R800, but that's currently Robert> marginally supported at best. In particular, it only operates Robert> in CMYK mode right now, and it's going to take me a while to Robert> get the red and blue inks (and gloss optimizer) working Robert> correctly. So it really sounds like the R200 or the R300(M) might be a better choice for me, since I don't want to spend a ton of money here. I know I'll be spending it on the paper/ink no matter what. Or an 960 might still be an ok choice? Robert> You're not using less ink at lower resolution. Paper is very Robert> important. I'd suggest the Epson papers, since the inks and Robert> papers are designed to work together. Thanks for the comments, so sticking with Epson supplies is the way to go here.

Sept. 7, 2004

Re: [Wlug] printers

by Son Nguyen

Charles and all, LPRng is not bad at all. For those who still have it available for use and have been working with it for a while, it works great. For beginners, I forsee the use of CUPS ia an easier learning curves. In my situation, I have to upgrade all of my linux boxes every two years. Sinces cups is built in to the distributions that I am using it is best for me to adapt to the change (as long as it does not disrupt functionality and the way my users works). Last I have checked, LPRng is not be updated recently ( I could be wrong). Its just seems to be a bit painful to build LPRng into new distributions that already have working printing solution. >From what I have read so far...some of us are having issues here and there with cups. I guess...luck fo rme...I have not. Sonny >From: Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com> >Reply-To: Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com>, Worcester Linux Users Group<wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: Re: [Wlug] printers >Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:25:48 -0400 > >LPRng is not that bad for a print server. In the ECE dept at WPI, we >use LPRng beause CUPS IMHO is still rather buggy. We've tried >switching over to CUPS on many occasions however have always ran into >a bug that prevents us from performing the switch over. We've also >used CUPS on our other servers to connet to the printer server running >LPRng and have run into some troubles with that, which we have not >using LPRng. > >Chuck > >On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 13:21:45 +0000, Son Nguyen <snguyen(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Don, > > > > I would recommend not using LPRng. It is too old. I understand that CUPS > > seems difficult, but once you understand it, it is the next best thing. In > > my office, I have setup my kickstart to install 300+ printers on all of my > > Redhat Linux V3 Workstation machines (100+). You can configure it via > > console, applet, or even web. Fedora and Redhat has gone that route and I > > believe that others have too. It is much better than LPRng can every be. > > > > Sonny > > > > &gt;From: &quot;Don Peterson&quot; &lt;dpeterson(a)sterilite.com&gt; > > &gt;Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group &lt;wlug(a)mail.wlug.org&gt; > > &gt;To: &quot;Worcester Linux Users Group&quot; &lt;wlug(a)mail.wlug.org&gt; > > &gt;Subject: RE: [Wlug] printers > > &gt;Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:13:56 -0400 > > &gt; > > &gt;Thanx for the reply John. > > &gt;I had looked into CUPS but it looked pretty involved (the install and > > &gt;setup). > > &gt;Maybe I will give LPRng a shot. > > &gt; > > &gt;-----Original Message----- > > &gt;From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > > &gt;Behalf Of John Stoffel > > &gt;Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:51 PM > > &gt;To: Worcester Linux Users Group > > &gt;Subject: Re: [Wlug] printers > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;Don&gt; I've got a quick question about printers. Is there a > > printers.conf > > &gt; > > &gt;Don&gt; file in Red Hat like there is in Solaris (I couldn't find one). > > &gt;Don&gt; Here's my issue: > > &gt; > > &gt;Don&gt; I have 5 servers in a 9i RAC array and I don't want to set up my > > 50 > > &gt; > > &gt;Don&gt; printers on each server. Can anyone suggest a way to > > &quot;copy&quot; > > &gt;Don&gt; the printers I set up on one server to the other 4? > > &gt; > > &gt;Sure, just setup one box as your master, using LPRng. Then you install > > &gt;LPRng on all the client systems with an /etc/printcap sorta like this: > > &gt; > > &gt; # LPRng: /etc/printcap file > > &gt; # > > &gt; # Forward all jobs to the print server > > &gt; # > > &gt; *:force_localhost@:client:rm=printmaster.foo.com > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;Then when you add/delete printers on the server, they appear on the > > &gt;client without any intervention. > > &gt; > > &gt;Now, I can't say I love LPRng, mostly because the Docs are baroque and > > &gt;hard to follow, and the output of various commands is also archane. > > &gt; > > &gt;You might want to look at using CUPS instead, since it's based on and > > &gt;support the Internet Printing Protocol. I use CUPS at home and it's > > &gt;fine. > > &gt; > > &gt;_______________________________________________ > > &gt;Wlug mailing list > > &gt;Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > &gt;http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > &gt; > > &gt;_______________________________________________ > > &gt;Wlug mailing list > > &gt;Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > &gt;http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > >-- >Chuck Haines >chaines(a)gmail.com >------------------------------------------- >Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity >WPI Class of 2005 >------------------------------------------- >AIM: CyberGrex >YIM: CyberGrex_27 >ICQ: 3707881 >------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] printers

by Son Nguyen

Keith, >From: Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> >Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: Re: [Wlug] printers >Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:26:53 -0400 > > > From: "Son Nguyen" <snguyen(a)hotmail.com> > > > > I would recommend not using LPRng. It is too old. > >As an old codger in training, I take that personally. >You remind me of Perlis's comment on Algol60: > Not perfect, but a big improvement over its successors. > This commend is not meant to insult. Just that almost every distributions are using cups. I have had request from my users that I should retro fit lrpng into my network. Although it is not impossible, it is less versitile than cups. I have not had much problems with both the applets and web based configuration. >I don't even know what LPRng is, I suppose it's the New-Gnu version >of the ancient bin/lpr program, from back in the days when programs >were more prized for working than for having a Web interface. I totally agree. I would rather use the console command instead, but it is nice to have an alternative configuration method for those who are not confortable at the command line. > >My printer is attached to a dual boot machine that now runs >Linux only, with a Samba server so that Diane can print >via the network from her laptop. It worked pretty much >the first time, the main problem being getting the Windows >laptop to notice it. > >I can print from the printer/Linux machine, but when I tried >to use the much-touted CUPS web-based set-up to connect to the >printer from another Linux machine, it went totaly wonky. >Certain buttons sent the browser in an apparent infinite loop. >(By Turing, you can never be sure, but I waited long with no action) >Sometimes it would take me to some crazy random place in the >Internet, to pictures of buildings that had the same name >as my server machine, as though some mad programmer had >rewritten bin/hostname to search Google for its name. > Have you considered connecting the printer to the windows box, share it and then map it via the linux? How about a a dsl router with the network printer capability? I love the external jetdirect parrellel to ethernet device. >It was not high priority, since ftp works and I have to walk >to the printer machine anyway to get the paper, so I quit. > > > I understand that CUPS seems difficult, but once you understand it, > > it is the next best thing. > >At first I thought you were recommending it as second-best, but >maybe "next best" means Best Real Soon Now. > > > In my office, I have setup my kickstart > > to install 300+ printers on all of my Redhat Linux V3 Workstation > > machines (100+). > >Eh? You need 300 printers for 100 workstations? > My offices are in Bedford (MA), McLean (VA), NJ, and Tampa (FL). I have to allow users to printer to any printers on my network for virtual meeting purposes. Sonny > > You can configure it via console, applet, or even web. > >Not me, maybe you can. > > > Fedora and Redhat has gone that route and I believe that > > others have too. It is much better than LPRng can every be. > >Oh, I suppose, but much better can you make something that >does what I used to with "cat scratch.ps >/dev/lp0"? > > -- Keith >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] vendor recommendation

by Charles R. Anderson

On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 08:03:02AM -0700, Mike Leo wrote: > I have heard in the past that you cannot buy a dell > with only linux on it....they have some special deal > with MS that says every PC they sell MUST have some > version of windows. They will install linux only as a > duel boot. That's only true for desktops, not servers. The best way to buy a Dell Linux system for desktop use is to get a Dell PowerEdge 400SC. It is their entry-level tower server, but it uses the exact same motherboard as their Dimension line, so it has an AGP slot on it (they don't tell you this in their literature). So you buy this in the barebones minimum configuration with the 800MHz FSB P4 CPU you want, add more DDR400 RAM from crucial.com (cheaper than Dell's RAM), and get your own video card separately. You can get Linux preinstalled, or get no OS at all. Plus it usually comes with a 3 year on-site next-business day warranty...

Sept. 5, 2004

Re: [Wlug] vendor recommendation

by Mike Leo

I have heard in the past that you cannot buy a dell with only linux on it....they have some special deal with MS that says every PC they sell MUST have some version of windows. They will install linux only as a duel boot. Not sure if that is still true...anyone know for sure? --- Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > > http://www.pcsforeveryone.com/ in cambridge will > install various Linux > > distros. I just bought a machine last week for > work there. > > Short of building your own, I would recommend these > guys also. I haven't > bought one there myself but I know people who have > and were happy. > > Of course, I would recommend almost anyone but Dell. > :-) > > Why not Dell? > > Because Dell doesn't do AMD and AMD64 is ruling the > price/performance > ratios at all levels against Intel right now and for > the foreseeable > future. > > Plus, they are an underdog...and we like underdogs! > > -- Gary > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Sept. 5, 2004

Re: [Wlug] vendor recommendation

by Gary Hanley

On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > http://www.pcsforeveryone.com/ in cambridge will install various Linux > distros. I just bought a machine last week for work there. Short of building your own, I would recommend these guys also. I haven't bought one there myself but I know people who have and were happy. Of course, I would recommend almost anyone but Dell. :-) Why not Dell? Because Dell doesn't do AMD and AMD64 is ruling the price/performance ratios at all levels against Intel right now and for the foreseeable future. Plus, they are an underdog...and we like underdogs! -- Gary

Sept. 5, 2004

Re: [Wlug] vendor recommendation

by Karl Hiramoto

http://www.pcsforeveryone.com/ in cambridge will install various Linux distros. I just bought a machine last week for work there. Baris Hasdemir wrote: >hi list, > >Would you guys give me recommendations for a company around >Massachusetts selling Linux pre-installed desktop computers at a good >price/performance ratio? > >I would also appreciate Linux pre-installed laptop/notebook sellers are >welcome, as well though I think that it is harder to find. > >Thank you >baris > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Old age is too high a price to pay for maturity.

Sept. 5, 2004

vendor recommendation

by Baris Hasdemir

hi list, Would you guys give me recommendations for a company around Massachusetts selling Linux pre-installed desktop computers at a good price/performance ratio? I would also appreciate Linux pre-installed laptop/notebook sellers are welcome, as well though I think that it is harder to find. Thank you baris

Sept. 5, 2004

Re: [Wlug] memtest hangs

by John Ferreira

I recently ran into something like this. Exactly the same symptoms. Intel motherboard with pc2100. Ended up being the motherboard itself. I kept hanging on the same test, between 2% and 8% completion. The test did run to 100% if I ESC out before the first test runs, and manually select that test to run by itself. Might be worth a try. I also tested the memory and processor in a second motherboard, and they checked out ok. Same processor and memory are running fine in the new motherboard. Good Luck. --- Gregory Avedissian <gma2004(a)verizon.net> wrote: > I'm testing some DDR ram (one pc2100 and one pc2700) in a dell 4500s > (1.8GHz Intel) and memtest hangs on the second test - Address Test, Own > Address, No Cache. > > I've tested the sticks together and separately, and the same thing > happens. The test just stops after a minute or two, with no error messages > and loss of keyboard control. Tested one stick in a different computer, > and it tests fine. It's a brand new memory chip. > > The Dell seems to run slower than I'd expect for a 1.8GHz with 384MB RAM. > I especially noticed it when I was installing software from source > packages - it went a lot slower than on my 1.2GHz Athlon with 500MB of > pc133. Other than that, it seems to run ok. > > Here are my questions: Is it obviously the cpu? Is there any linux > software that will test the cpu similar to what memtest does with memory? > Any suggestions for diagnosing this problem? > > Thanks, > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Sept. 5, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Where do we eat?

by Frank

On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 12:22:51PM -0400, Carlton C. Stedman II wrote: > > I would have thought that 'Why do we eat?' would be a higher stage > > than 'Where do lunch?', but perhaps it is just a matter of taste. > > Which question seems more civilized may depend upon whether you > > are a French philosopher facing a plate full of jellied liver, > > or a film producer facing a starlet. > > No, no. First off, its a quote from Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide To > The Galaxy. Second, the idea is that after one finds how to do something, > the next step is to ask why they do it, all existential-like, and finally > the people eventually get tired of that and grow fat and stupid. Heh, I took a different meaning away from that quote... Adams referred to these stages as 1) Survival, 2) Inquiry, and 3) Sophistication. I don't think sophistication necessarily requires fat and stupid people, but I will agree that decadence and sophistication are often confused. > Hence: > > > And the web interfaces are generally a sign of civilization moving > > > from the 'How can we eat?' stage past the 'Why do we eat?' and > > > straight to the 'Where shall we have lunch?' stage... > > Implies that web interfaces are for the weak. This is silly, web > interfaces are very froody, and so easy to use, they make an excellent > alternative to command-line file editing, in many cases. > > CCS <SNIP> Not at all, I don't think that web interfaces are for the weak. They are another tool in the toolbox and get used and abused like any other... Frank

Sept. 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] printers

by Frank

On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 11:04:22AM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Hi everybody, > > While I happen to use CUPS, I'd like to note that there is at least one other > person who had an unhappy first experience. Eric Raymond documents his > experience here: > http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html Even though I do have a couple of disagreements with his various points, it was a very good article and probably doubly helpful in that it allows people to admit that they are having trouble with something (If ESR can't get it to work, why would they be afraid to admit it? His followup article mentions this effect a bit.). > Perhaps Chapter 3 of "The User's Guide to the Gimp-Print Top Quality Printer > Drivers" (authored by yours truly) would be of help in configuring CUPS for a > very basic installation. This document is available here: > http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/users-guide.pdf > > Admittedly, this doesn't cover the "login" window presented by the CUPS > interface. After searching the web for some time, I can't find the > documentation which describes how to setup accounts which give users > permission to modify certain aspects of CUPS. It must be somewhere on the > CUPS website. The CUPS website FAQ had a reference that I stumbled across while looking something up for my response earlier. (http://cups.org/faq.php?16) > When I first configured CUPS, I couldn't for the life of me figure out whether > to use http, IPP, or otherwise, in describing my printer, and there was no > guidance to help determine the proper choice. The CUPS admin web page asking > for "device URI" confounded me for quite some time. I found the examples on > that web page unhelpful. > > Now that I have it working, I am happy with it, but admittedly it was rather > frustrating to do the first time. In my opinion, the web interface should be > so simple that I don't *need* to read the manual - at least for a very basic > installation. > > Later, > > Andy <SNIP> I think this is where the CUPS web interface does begin to fall down. They have a lot of documentation elsewhere and you end up having to read a large portion of it to be able to configure things using the web interface. Frank

Sept. 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] printers

by Frank

On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 02:50:53AM -0400, Keith Wright wrote: <SNIP> > I would have thought that 'Why do we eat?' would be a higher stage > than 'Where do lunch?', but perhaps it is just a matter of taste. > Which question seems more civilized may depend upon whether you > are a French philosopher facing a plate full of jellied liver, > or a film producer facing a starlet. It was a reference to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy as explained recently by another poster and intended to mirror what I had seen as levity in the beginning of your post... > Though not yet civilized, the web interface may nevertheless be an > advance from savagery to barbarism. I worry about security. To each their own, however I think that equating a web interface with more insecurity than any other network reachable interface might be jumping the gun. <SNIP Adventures in CUPS-land> > > Your web browser had its auto-magical lookup functionality turned > > on and went looking for what you specified when it couldn't connect > > to the address you specified. > > I really don't think there is anything wrong with my browser > (Firefox), it has never done anything at all like that before. If I > had ever seen any hint of an auto-magical lookup functionality I would > have shot it. I might be mistaken and the functionality that I am referring to is in the DNS resolving layer. Same difference as the root issue was an inability to resolve a link as opposed to any clandestine communication (which wouldn't need to involve your browser anyway...). > > Honestly, CUPS is not that hard to configure and use these days. > > Well, I didn't mean to insult your baby, I was just telling > my experience. I have Cups as installed by Redhat, if you could > write or point me to a one page HOWTO send a file on this machine > to the working printer on the other, that would be great. Maybe > we could send it back to the Cups project. The documentation > I have seen manages to be both voluminous and elliptical and > lacks a short introduction to getting the damned thing working > in the simplest case. I'm not sure why you think CUPS is my baby, I have no affliation nor even heavy use of it. Heck, I've only used it reasonably often in two environments: One work environment on a linux desktop in a Windows only shop (much fun with samba, non/badly- documented copiers that pretend to be printers, and so on...) and a home environment where a mixed set of OSes talked to two printers (laser/inkjet) on different machines. Both were in the last couple of years. I was reporting on *my* experience and mentioned along the way what I thought might have been going on in your experience. Your browser going to odd places (assuming the link appeared to be valid) does not point the finger at CUPS (at least at first glance), but at what your browser was doing. For example, the question about the login box is answered in the FAQ section on the CUPS website under "What Password Do I Need to Use in the Web Interface?".) > > There was a period of history where it was pretty difficult to set > > up correctly but it has been pretty solid for the last couple of > > years. > > Maybe you have learned to do a difficult thing so well that you > forgot why it was difficult. Nah, I skipped the difficult years. I came in when it was easy to do. > > And, even in the difficult years, it offered a level of > > functionality not readily available with the rest of tools in play > > at the time. > > But if you don't want functionality, just want to send a file > upstairs in fewer steps than ftp and telnet... Out of curiousiy, what did you end up using? <SNIP> > > And I'd recommend it to the original poster. > > Near as I can remember the original poster asked about a photo- > printer with a USB interface. I don't dis-recommend Cups, but > I've told my story and I'm sticking to it. In this case, the poster can draw on the combined experiences of WLUG and we just might be able to get them through the (dark and scary)/(reasonably lit and pleasant) passage to printing bliss or a reasonably close facsimile thereof. > > (Typos and general icky-ness of the email I apologize for, had to > > recreate it from a bounce message as I discovered a bit of > > misconfiguration on my recently moved email server...) > > Every line came padded out with blanks to 80 columns. > I took them out in the reply. > Please don't accuse me of misquoting you. > > -- Keith What an odd request... But okay... Frank

Sept. 4, 2004

Where do we eat?

by Carlton C. Stedman II

> I would have thought that 'Why do we eat?' would be a higher stage > than 'Where do lunch?', but perhaps it is just a matter of taste. > Which question seems more civilized may depend upon whether you > are a French philosopher facing a plate full of jellied liver, > or a film producer facing a starlet. No, no. First off, its a quote from Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy. Second, the idea is that after one finds how to do something, the next step is to ask why they do it, all existential-like, and finally the people eventually get tired of that and grow fat and stupid. Hence: > > And the web interfaces are generally a sign of civilization moving > > from the 'How can we eat?' stage past the 'Why do we eat?' and > > straight to the 'Where shall we have lunch?' stage... Implies that web interfaces are for the weak. This is silly, web interfaces are very froody, and so easy to use, they make an excellent alternative to command-line file editing, in many cases. CCS -- Carlton C. Stedman II, sageman(a)wpi.edu "To iterate is human, to recurse, divine." -- L. Peter Deutch

Sept. 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] printers

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everybody, While I happen to use CUPS, I'd like to note that there is at least one other person who had an unhappy first experience. Eric Raymond documents his experience here: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html Perhaps Chapter 3 of "The User's Guide to the Gimp-Print Top Quality Printer Drivers" (authored by yours truly) would be of help in configuring CUPS for a very basic installation. This document is available here: http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/users-guide.pdf Admittedly, this doesn't cover the "login" window presented by the CUPS interface. After searching the web for some time, I can't find the documentation which describes how to setup accounts which give users permission to modify certain aspects of CUPS. It must be somewhere on the CUPS website. When I first configured CUPS, I couldn't for the life of me figure out whether to use http, IPP, or otherwise, in describing my printer, and there was no guidance to help determine the proper choice. The CUPS admin web page asking for "device URI" confounded me for quite some time. I found the examples on that web page unhelpful. Now that I have it working, I am happy with it, but admittedly it was rather frustrating to do the first time. In my opinion, the web interface should be so simple that I don't *need* to read the manual - at least for a very basic installation. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBOdmBHl0iXDssISsRAl76AJ9duHJww3GjGnUSCTy8wDRCNsWp0QCfV3rO jF3vlhhCqR5UXcHdrulvf7M= =oNes -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] memtest hangs

by Brett Russ

Gregory Avedissian wrote: > I'm testing some DDR ram (one pc2100 and one pc2700) in a dell 4500s > (1.8GHz Intel) and memtest hangs on the second test - Address Test, Own > Address, No Cache. > > I've tested the sticks together and separately, and the same thing > happens. The test just stops after a minute or two, with no error > messages and loss of keyboard control. Tested one stick in a different > computer, and it tests fine. It's a brand new memory chip. > > The Dell seems to run slower than I'd expect for a 1.8GHz with 384MB > RAM. I especially noticed it when I was installing software from source > packages - it went a lot slower than on my 1.2GHz Athlon with 500MB of > pc133. Other than that, it seems to run ok. > > Here are my questions: Is it obviously the cpu? Is there any linux > software that will test the cpu similar to what memtest does with > memory? Any suggestions for diagnosing this problem? Check CPU temp and cooling if you can. I've seen CPUs halt unannounced (a hang like you say) when they reach a certain threshold temp. Also, it may throttle itself back if it's overheating causing the slowness. BR

Sept. 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] printers

by Keith Wright

> From: Frank <fmoody-ug-wlug(a)moodman.org> > > On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 05:26:53PM -0400, Keith Wright wrote: > > > From: "Son Nguyen" <snguyen(a)hotmail.com> > > > > > > I would recommend not using LPRng. It is too old. > And the web interfaces are generally a sign of civilization moving > from the 'How can we eat?' stage past the 'Why do we eat?' and > straight to the 'Where shall we have lunch?' stage... I would have thought that 'Why do we eat?' would be a higher stage than 'Where do lunch?', but perhaps it is just a matter of taste. Which question seems more civilized may depend upon whether you are a French philosopher facing a plate full of jellied liver, or a film producer facing a starlet. Though not yet civilized, the web interface may nevertheless be an advance from savagery to barbarism. I worry about security. > > I can print from the printer/Linux machine, but when I tried to > > use the much-touted CUPS web-based set-up to connect to the > > printer from another Linux machine, it went totaly wonky. > > Sometimes it would take me to some crazy random place in the > > Internet, to pictures of buildings that had the same name as my > > server machine, ... > You had some misconfiguration going on there probably... Well, I hadn't configured it yet! The machine with the printer has Redhat, Samba, and Cups installed and working fine. The Windows laptop prints; bin/lpr.cups on the Linux server prints. It seemed like it should be easy to make another Linux/Cups machine print, so I did "man lpr", which said a few things not to the point and SEE ALSO CUPS Software Users Manual, http://localhost:631/documentation.html So I did that, which gave me a page: cups> The CUPS web server provides a user-friendly "wizard" interface cups> for adding your printers. Rather than figuring out which device cups> URI and PPD file to use, you can instead click on the cups> appropriate listings and fill in some simple information. Enter cups> the following URL in your web browser to begin: cups> http://localhost:631/admin cups> Click on the Add Printer button to add a printer. So I did that and nothing worked. I just tried it again, to refresh my memory what went wrong. It came up with a login box. I told it my /etc/passwd name and password (Is that what it wants? Why would it need it, I have been logged on all day? Maybe it wants some kind of printer specific name?) It just shows the login box again. I think I got past that point last time by telling it my root password, but I don't feel like trying that again right now. It was no help in setting up the printer, it just showed some forms to fill in with inscrutable labels, and occasionally locked up or hijacked my browser off to random web sites. I remembered that I had given it my password, and I had no idea why it was communicating with anything outside my local network. Paranoia strikes deep, so I stopped. > Your web browser had its auto-magical lookup functionality turned > on and went looking for what you specified when it couldn't connect > to the address you specified. I really don't think there is anything wrong with my browser (Firefox), it has never done anything at all like that before. If I had ever seen any hint of an auto-magical lookup functionality I would have shot it. > Honestly, CUPS is not that hard to configure and use these days. Well, I didn't mean to insult your baby, I was just telling my experience. I have Cups as installed by Redhat, if you could write or point me to a one page HOWTO send a file on this machine to the working printer on the other, that would be great. Maybe we could send it back to the Cups project. The documentation I have seen manages to be both voluminous and elliptical and lacks a short introduction to getting the damned thing working in the simplest case. > There was a period of history where it was pretty difficult to set > up correctly but it has been pretty solid for the last couple of > years. Maybe you have learned to do a difficult thing so well that you forgot why it was difficult. > And, even in the difficult years, it offered a level of > functionality not readily available with the rest of tools in play > at the time. But if you don't want functionality, just want to send a file upstairs in fewer steps than ftp and telnet... > CUPS is probably something you want to look into... I looked into it. It was deep and dark and I couldn't see the bottom. I got scared and ran away. > And I'd recommend it to the original poster. Near as I can remember the original poster asked about a photo- printer with a USB interface. I don't dis-recommend Cups, but I've told my story and I'm sticking to it. > (Typos and general icky-ness of the email I apologize for, had to > recreate it from a bounce message as I discovered a bit of > misconfiguration on my recently moved email server...) Every line came padded out with blanks to 80 columns. I took them out in the reply. Please don't accuse me of misquoting you. -- Keith

Sept. 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] memtest hangs

by Karl Hiramoto

I would suspect the motherboard, they tend to go bad most often. You can try lowering the memory speed in the BIOS setup too. Gregory Avedissian wrote: > I'm testing some DDR ram (one pc2100 and one pc2700) in a dell 4500s > (1.8GHz Intel) and memtest hangs on the second test - Address Test, > Own Address, No Cache. > > I've tested the sticks together and separately, and the same thing > happens. The test just stops after a minute or two, with no error > messages and loss of keyboard control. Tested one stick in a different > computer, and it tests fine. It's a brand new memory chip. > > The Dell seems to run slower than I'd expect for a 1.8GHz with 384MB > RAM. I especially noticed it when I was installing software from > source packages - it went a lot slower than on my 1.2GHz Athlon with > 500MB of pc133. Other than that, it seems to run ok. > > Here are my questions: Is it obviously the cpu? Is there any linux > software that will test the cpu similar to what memtest does with > memory? Any suggestions for diagnosing this problem? > > Thanks, > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Knowledge without common sense is folly.

Sept. 4, 2004

memtest hangs

by Gregory Avedissian

I'm testing some DDR ram (one pc2100 and one pc2700) in a dell 4500s (1.8GHz Intel) and memtest hangs on the second test - Address Test, Own Address, No Cache. I've tested the sticks together and separately, and the same thing happens. The test just stops after a minute or two, with no error messages and loss of keyboard control. Tested one stick in a different computer, and it tests fine. It's a brand new memory chip. The Dell seems to run slower than I'd expect for a 1.8GHz with 384MB RAM. I especially noticed it when I was installing software from source packages - it went a lot slower than on my 1.2GHz Athlon with 500MB of pc133. Other than that, it seems to run ok. Here are my questions: Is it obviously the cpu? Is there any linux software that will test the cpu similar to what memtest does with memory? Any suggestions for diagnosing this problem? Thanks, Greg

Sept. 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] printers

by Frank

On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 05:26:53PM -0400, Keith Wright wrote: > > From: "Son Nguyen" <snguyen(a)hotmail.com> > > > > I would recommend not using LPRng. It is too old. > > As an old codger in training, I take that personally. > You remind me of Perlis's comment on Algol60: > Not perfect, but a big improvement over its successors. As a young whippersnapper out of training... "Heh, reminds me of the last time I ran into Algol60... Er, wait, no it doesn't." > I don't even know what LPRng is, I suppose it's the New-Gnu version > of the ancient bin/lpr program, from back in the days when programs > were more prized for working than for having a Web interface. 'Course we'll skip the fact that the reason things were prized for working back then was that the majority didn't... And the web interfaces are generally a sign of civilization moving from the 'How can we eat?' stage past the 'Why do we eat?' and straight to the 'Where shall we have lunch?' stage... (Did I mention that LPRng was started in 1986 and hit widespread use in '88 or so? (At least according to the LPRng website)) <SNIP> > I can print from the printer/Linux machine, but when I tried > to use the much-touted CUPS web-based set-up to connect to the > printer from another Linux machine, it went totaly wonky. > Certain buttons sent the browser in an apparent infinite loop. > (By Turing, you can never be sure, but I waited long with no action) > Sometimes it would take me to some crazy random place in the > Internet, to pictures of buildings that had the same name > as my server machine, as though some mad programmer had > rewritten bin/hostname to search Google for its name. You had some misconfiguration going on there probably... Your web browser had its auto-magical lookup functionality turned on and went looking for what you specified when it couldn't connect to the address you specified. <SNIP> > > You can configure it via console, applet, or even web. > > Not me, maybe you can. Honestly, CUPS is not that hard to configure and use these days. There was a period of history where it was pretty difficult to set up correctly but it has been pretty solid for the last couple of years. And, even in the difficult years, it offered a level of functionality not readily available with the rest of tools in play at the time. > > Fedora and Redhat has gone that route and I believe that > > others have too. It is much better than LPRng can every be. > > Oh, I suppose, but much better can you make something that > does what I used to with "cat scratch.ps >/dev/lp0"? > > -- Keith You mean, can I make it print gibberish on my non-PS PCL printer? But if that is all you need, then why bother with even old school lpr? On the other hand, if you want conversion to something your printer (whichever one you pick) will actually print, remote printing, printer pools, print job scheduling, and many other modern pieces of functionality... CUPS is probably something you want to look into... And I'd recommend it to the original poster. Frank (Typos and general icky-ness of the email I apologize for, had to recreate it from a bounce message as I discovered a bit of misconfiguration on my recently moved email server...)

Sept. 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] printers

by Keith Wright

> From: "Son Nguyen" <snguyen(a)hotmail.com> > > I would recommend not using LPRng. It is too old. As an old codger in training, I take that personally. You remind me of Perlis's comment on Algol60: Not perfect, but a big improvement over its successors. I don't even know what LPRng is, I suppose it's the New-Gnu version of the ancient bin/lpr program, from back in the days when programs were more prized for working than for having a Web interface. My printer is attached to a dual boot machine that now runs Linux only, with a Samba server so that Diane can print via the network from her laptop. It worked pretty much the first time, the main problem being getting the Windows laptop to notice it. I can print from the printer/Linux machine, but when I tried to use the much-touted CUPS web-based set-up to connect to the printer from another Linux machine, it went totaly wonky. Certain buttons sent the browser in an apparent infinite loop. (By Turing, you can never be sure, but I waited long with no action) Sometimes it would take me to some crazy random place in the Internet, to pictures of buildings that had the same name as my server machine, as though some mad programmer had rewritten bin/hostname to search Google for its name. It was not high priority, since ftp works and I have to walk to the printer machine anyway to get the paper, so I quit. > I understand that CUPS seems difficult, but once you understand it, > it is the next best thing. At first I thought you were recommending it as second-best, but maybe "next best" means Best Real Soon Now. > In my office, I have setup my kickstart > to install 300+ printers on all of my Redhat Linux V3 Workstation > machines (100+). Eh? You need 300 printers for 100 workstations? > You can configure it via console, applet, or even web. Not me, maybe you can. > Fedora and Redhat has gone that route and I believe that > others have too. It is much better than LPRng can every be. Oh, I suppose, but much better can you make something that does what I used to with "cat scratch.ps >/dev/lp0"? -- Keith

Sept. 3, 2004

Re: [Wlug] printers

by Chuck Haines

LPRng is not that bad for a print server. In the ECE dept at WPI, we use LPRng beause CUPS IMHO is still rather buggy. We've tried switching over to CUPS on many occasions however have always ran into a bug that prevents us from performing the switch over. We've also used CUPS on our other servers to connet to the printer server running LPRng and have run into some troubles with that, which we have not using LPRng. Chuck On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 13:21:45 +0000, Son Nguyen <snguyen(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Don, > > I would recommend not using LPRng. It is too old. I understand that CUPS > seems difficult, but once you understand it, it is the next best thing. In > my office, I have setup my kickstart to install 300+ printers on all of my > Redhat Linux V3 Workstation machines (100+). You can configure it via > console, applet, or even web. Fedora and Redhat has gone that route and I > believe that others have too. It is much better than LPRng can every be. > > Sonny > > >From: "Don Peterson" <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> > >Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] printers > >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:13:56 -0400 > > > >Thanx for the reply John. > >I had looked into CUPS but it looked pretty involved (the install and > >setup). > >Maybe I will give LPRng a shot. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > >Behalf Of John Stoffel > >Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:51 PM > >To: Worcester Linux Users Group > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] printers > > > > > >Don> I've got a quick question about printers. Is there a > printers.conf > > > >Don> file in Red Hat like there is in Solaris (I couldn't find one). > >Don> Here's my issue: > > > >Don> I have 5 servers in a 9i RAC array and I don't want to set up my > 50 > > > >Don> printers on each server. Can anyone suggest a way to > "copy" > >Don> the printers I set up on one server to the other 4? > > > >Sure, just setup one box as your master, using LPRng. Then you install > >LPRng on all the client systems with an /etc/printcap sorta like this: > > > > # LPRng: /etc/printcap file > > # > > # Forward all jobs to the print server > > # > > *:force_localhost@:client:rm=printmaster.foo.com > > > > > >Then when you add/delete printers on the server, they appear on the > >client without any intervention. > > > >Now, I can't say I love LPRng, mostly because the Docs are baroque and > >hard to follow, and the output of various commands is also archane. > > > >You might want to look at using CUPS instead, since it's based on and > >support the Internet Printing Protocol. I use CUPS at home and it's > >fine. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

Sept. 3, 2004

RE: [Wlug] printers

by Son Nguyen

Don, I would recommend not using LPRng. It is too old. I understand that CUPS seems difficult, but once you understand it, it is the next best thing. In my office, I have setup my kickstart to install 300+ printers on all of my Redhat Linux V3 Workstation machines (100+). You can configure it via console, applet, or even web. Fedora and Redhat has gone that route and I believe that others have too. It is much better than LPRng can every be. Sonny >From: "Don Peterson" <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> >Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: RE: [Wlug] printers >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:13:56 -0400 > >Thanx for the reply John. >I had looked into CUPS but it looked pretty involved (the install and >setup). >Maybe I will give LPRng a shot. > >-----Original Message----- >From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On >Behalf Of John Stoffel >Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:51 PM >To: Worcester Linux Users Group >Subject: Re: [Wlug] printers > > >Don> I've got a quick question about printers. Is there a printers.conf > >Don> file in Red Hat like there is in Solaris (I couldn't find one). >Don> Here's my issue: > >Don> I have 5 servers in a 9i RAC array and I don't want to set up my 50 > >Don> printers on each server. Can anyone suggest a way to "copy" >Don> the printers I set up on one server to the other 4? > >Sure, just setup one box as your master, using LPRng. Then you install >LPRng on all the client systems with an /etc/printcap sorta like this: > > # LPRng: /etc/printcap file > # > # Forward all jobs to the print server > # > *:force_localhost@:client:rm=printmaster.foo.com > > >Then when you add/delete printers on the server, they appear on the >client without any intervention. > >Now, I can't say I love LPRng, mostly because the Docs are baroque and >hard to follow, and the output of various commands is also archane. > >You might want to look at using CUPS instead, since it's based on and >support the Internet Printing Protocol. I use CUPS at home and it's >fine. > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 3, 2004

RE: [Wlug] printers

by John Stoffel

Don> Thanx for the reply John. No problem, always glad to help out when I can. Don> I had looked into CUPS but it looked pretty involved (the install Don> and setup). Maybe I will give LPRng a shot. I think you should keep looking at CUPS, I've found it easier to setup and use when compared to LPRng. Patrick is a good guy, but I'm just not happy with LPRng docs. John

Sept. 2, 2004

RE: [Wlug] printers

by Don Peterson

Thanx for the reply John. I had looked into CUPS but it looked pretty involved (the install and setup). Maybe I will give LPRng a shot. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of John Stoffel Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:51 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] printers Don> I've got a quick question about printers. Is there a printers.conf Don> file in Red Hat like there is in Solaris (I couldn't find one). Don> Here's my issue: Don> I have 5 servers in a 9i RAC array and I don't want to set up my 50 Don> printers on each server. Can anyone suggest a way to "copy" Don> the printers I set up on one server to the other 4? Sure, just setup one box as your master, using LPRng. Then you install LPRng on all the client systems with an /etc/printcap sorta like this: # LPRng: /etc/printcap file # # Forward all jobs to the print server # *:force_localhost@:client:rm=printmaster.foo.com Then when you add/delete printers on the server, they appear on the client without any intervention. Now, I can't say I love LPRng, mostly because the Docs are baroque and hard to follow, and the output of various commands is also archane. You might want to look at using CUPS instead, since it's based on and support the Internet Printing Protocol. I use CUPS at home and it's fine. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 2, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux Photo Printer recommendations

by Robert L Krawitz

Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:16:19 -0400 From: "John Stoffel" <stoffel(a)lucent.com> >>>>> "Robert" == Robert L Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> writes: Robert, thank you for your *very* informative post! Robert> For Linux use, I would recommend the 2200 over the 960 hands Robert> down, if you can use Gimp-Print 5.0 (which is currently in Robert> beta). I have both of them. I consider myself qualified on Robert> this subject, as the Gimp-Print project lead. I'm very happy to use cutting edge software, I run a very upto date Debian setup. You'll have to build from source; the Debian packaging for 5.0 beta is currently broken. Robert> These printers are not the same; the 2200 uses UltraChrome Robert> inks (which are pigment-based) while the 960 uses Robert> conventional dye-based inks. Somewhat surprisingly, the Robert> 2200 has a wider gamut than the 960 (usually pigment inks Robert> have narrow gamut). However, it's not hard to get a good Robert> grayscale out of that printer. What other printers use these UltraChrome inks as well, which are (possibly) cheaper than the 2200? I don't think I need the bigger size, I'm mostly looking for a dedicated photo printer for home use, we already have the B&W laser for generic printing. I'm not even planning on using this new printer for color text prints. The only one that's cheaper is the R800, but that's currently marginally supported at best. In particular, it only operates in CMYK mode right now, and it's going to take me a while to get the red and blue inks (and gloss optimizer) working correctly. Robert> The 960, despite its tiny smallest drop size of 2 pl (vs. 4 pl Robert> for the 2200) does not produce as good output in my opinion. Robert> You really need to use the highest resolution (2880x1440) to Robert> get smooth texture, since printing with the 960 requires use Robert> of a lot of black ink. The 2200 has a "light black" (gray) Robert> ink that helps a lot, and in my experience you can get quite Robert> good quality even at 720 DPI and seldom need to go above Robert> 1440x720 DPI. There's a big performance difference right Robert> there! Sounds like a big difference in costs too, since you'll be using less ink. How important is the paper? Everything I've been reading says that using the Epson paper is really the only way to go. You're not using less ink at lower resolution. Paper is very important. I'd suggest the Epson papers, since the inks and papers are designed to work together. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

Sept. 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] printers

by John Stoffel

Don> I've got a quick question about printers. Is there a Don> printers.conf file in Red Hat like there is in Solaris (I Don> couldn't find one). Here's my issue: Don> I have 5 servers in a 9i RAC array and I don't want to set up my Don> 50 printers on each server. Can anyone suggest a way to "copy" Don> the printers I set up on one server to the other 4? Sure, just setup one box as your master, using LPRng. Then you install LPRng on all the client systems with an /etc/printcap sorta like this: # LPRng: /etc/printcap file # # Forward all jobs to the print server # *:force_localhost@:client:rm=printmaster.foo.com Then when you add/delete printers on the server, they appear on the client without any intervention. Now, I can't say I love LPRng, mostly because the Docs are baroque and hard to follow, and the output of various commands is also archane. You might want to look at using CUPS instead, since it's based on and support the Internet Printing Protocol. I use CUPS at home and it's fine.

Sept. 1, 2004

printers

by Don Peterson

Hello there, I am new here, and new to Linux. My company is in the middle of a platform migration for our Oracle ERP system. We are moving away from Solaris towards a Intel/Linux solution. I've got a quick question about printers. Is there a printers.conf file in Red Hat like there is in Solaris (I couldn't find one). Here's my issue: I have 5 servers in a 9i RAC array and I don't want to set up my 50 printers on each server. Can anyone suggest a way to "copy" the printers I set up on one server to the other 4? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Don Peterson MCP/DCSE Network/Telecommunications Administrator Sterilite Corporation 30 Scales Lane Townsend, Ma 01469

Sept. 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux Photo Printer recommendations

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Robert" == Robert L Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> writes: Robert, thank you for your *very* informative post! Robert> For Linux use, I would recommend the 2200 over the 960 hands Robert> down, if you can use Gimp-Print 5.0 (which is currently in Robert> beta). I have both of them. I consider myself qualified on Robert> this subject, as the Gimp-Print project lead. I'm very happy to use cutting edge software, I run a very upto date Debian setup. Robert> These printers are not the same; the 2200 uses UltraChrome Robert> inks (which are pigment-based) while the 960 uses conventional Robert> dye-based inks. Somewhat surprisingly, the 2200 has a wider Robert> gamut than the 960 (usually pigment inks have narrow gamut). Robert> However, it's not hard to get a good grayscale out of that Robert> printer. What other printers use these UltraChrome inks as well, which are (possibly) cheaper than the 2200? I don't think I need the bigger size, I'm mostly looking for a dedicated photo printer for home use, we already have the B&W laser for generic printing. I'm not even planning on using this new printer for color text prints. Robert> The 960, despite its tiny smallest drop size of 2 pl (vs. 4 pl Robert> for the 2200) does not produce as good output in my opinion. Robert> You really need to use the highest resolution (2880x1440) to Robert> get smooth texture, since printing with the 960 requires use Robert> of a lot of black ink. The 2200 has a "light black" (gray) Robert> ink that helps a lot, and in my experience you can get quite Robert> good quality even at 720 DPI and seldom need to go above Robert> 1440x720 DPI. There's a big performance difference right Robert> there! Sounds like a big difference in costs too, since you'll be using less ink. How important is the paper? Everything I've been reading says that using the Epson paper is really the only way to go. Robert> The problem with the 2200 is that Gimp-Print 4.2 doesn't drive it Robert> well, since the internal architecture doesn't cope very well with the Robert> fact that the gray (and photo black) inks aren't neutral. If you Robert> really can't switch to Gimp-Print 5.0 yet, the 2200 isn't a good Robert> choice; I'd recommend the R200 or the like. How about the R800? Is that the least expensive of the printers with the UltraChrome inks? Thanks for your comments, a big help! John

Sept. 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] another vote for a future meeting topic

by Mike Frysinger

On Wednesday 01 September 2004 09:41 am, Brian Waite wrote: > > > Also, can the gentoo build work via distcc? > > I looked deeper into the Gentoo distcc build and it looks like it > might not be very easy. They require (correctly) a hardened version of > the compiler if I under stood corretly and trying to ensure N machines > with M distors have the right compilers would be unreallistic. the hardened features are just propolice support (which is built into all of Gentoo by default now) in practice, you just need the same compiler version (gcc-3.3.3 with gcc-3.2.3 will probably get you in trouble) ... some ebuilds misbehave and append non-standard flags, but i'm working with people on fixing those -mike

Sept. 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] another vote for a future meeting topic

by Brian Waite

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:13:32 -0400, Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > On Wednesday 01 September 2004 08:54 am, Brian Waite wrote: > > I could get into this type of meeting. In fact, watching the time it > > takes to do a Gentoo install > > if you know the internals of the build process you can trick the whole > proccess to use just binary packages (assuming of course you have the binary > packages) That might be a good solution for the time constrained. Maybe at the time we do a Binary Gentoo install and then go into detail about how to emerge and build the apps at a later date. That might actually get me to use Gentoo again. If I can have a fully configured system in a short amount of time, I can setup cron jobs to build optimized versions at night. > > > Also, can the gentoo build work via distcc? I looked deeper into the Gentoo distcc build and it looks like it might not be very easy. They require (correctly) a hardened version of the compiler if I under stood corretly and trying to ensure N machines with M distors have the right compilers would be unreallistic. > > yes > -mike > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] another vote for a future meeting topic

by Mike Frysinger

On Wednesday 01 September 2004 08:54 am, Brian Waite wrote: > I could get into this type of meeting. In fact, watching the time it > takes to do a Gentoo install if you know the internals of the build process you can trick the whole proccess to use just binary packages (assuming of course you have the binary packages) > Also, can the gentoo build work via distcc? yes -mike

Sept. 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] another vote for a future meeting topic

by Brian Waite

I could get into this type of meeting. In fact, watching the time it takes to do a Gentoo install vs say Knoppix is prat of the fun. I can also provide some Yellow Dog Linux 3.0.1 Cds for anyone interested in trying to run Linux on a PPC. I'd like to see how Fedora Core install is progressing these days. I have SUSE 9.1 Pro sitting here that I'd also like to see run, if anyone has some guts and a machine. :) I can even see about bringing along a PC that can use a new install. Also, can the gentoo build work via distcc? I'm wondering if we can leech some cycles opff idle laptops to speed the Gentoo build up. Ahh here it is: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml#bootstrapping The distcc thought might take some coordinatino though. Just some thoughts/ramblings. Brian

Sept. 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] another vote for a future meeting topic

by Mike Leo

how far into the gentoo install can you get? Is the last step the long process? I can volunteer a fast machine if we could get most of the way thru at the meeting and I can just kill it at the end. Or is every step along the way very time consuming? We could have several pc's setup installing all at once so people could see a knoppix install or a SUse install or a gentoo all at once --- Ryan Caron <rcaron(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > No, the install isn't the easiest thing to someone > not familar with it, > but the Gentoo documentation is quite good. The > basic install (known as a > stage 1 install) alone can take a fair amount of > time since everything has > to be compiled. However, you can save time by using > what's called a stage > 2 install where some of the basic install is > precompiled. A stage 3 > install is where the entire basic install is already > compiled. > > We would not be able to complete a stage 1 or stage > 2 install during a > typical WLUG meeting and it is the kind of thing to > let run overnight. If > you are a laptop user you can download all the > neccessary source files in > advance and leave the meeting with the laptop still > compiling. Otherwise, > a constant, and preferably fast, network connection > is required. > > On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > I have heard way to much about Gentoo to not try > it > > out, but have also heard the install is not so > easy. > > > > Someone has mentioned it before, but how about an > > install fest so others can get hands on with > different > > distro installs? > > > > just one man's opinion.... > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Sept. 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux Photo Printer recommendations

by Robert L Krawitz

Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:45:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Peter Gutowski" <peter(a)linuxchamps.com> I have a 960 Photo printer. Excellent print quality and drivers were available on a RHL9 install. A friend has a 2200 running on a Mac: it appears to be identical to the 960, just wider to accomodate larger sheet size. That said, beware of consumeables $$$!!!!! I've spent far more in ink and paper since January than I paid for the printer! (And I really don't print a lot.) For Linux use, I would recommend the 2200 over the 960 hands down, if you can use Gimp-Print 5.0 (which is currently in beta). I have both of them. I consider myself qualified on this subject, as the Gimp-Print project lead. These printers are not the same; the 2200 uses UltraChrome inks (which are pigment-based) while the 960 uses conventional dye-based inks. Somewhat surprisingly, the 2200 has a wider gamut than the 960 (usually pigment inks have narrow gamut). However, it's not hard to get a good grayscale out of that printer. The 960, despite its tiny smallest drop size of 2 pl (vs. 4 pl for the 2200) does not produce as good output in my opinion. You really need to use the highest resolution (2880x1440) to get smooth texture, since printing with the 960 requires use of a lot of black ink. The 2200 has a "light black" (gray) ink that helps a lot, and in my experience you can get quite good quality even at 720 DPI and seldom need to go above 1440x720 DPI. There's a big performance difference right there! The problem with the 2200 is that Gimp-Print 4.2 doesn't drive it well, since the internal architecture doesn't cope very well with the fact that the gray (and photo black) inks aren't neutral. If you really can't switch to Gimp-Print 5.0 yet, the 2200 isn't a good choice; I'd recommend the R200 or the like. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

Aug. 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux Photo Printer recommendations

by Peter Gutowski

> Peter> I have a 960 Photo printer. Excellent print quality and drivers > Peter> were available on a RHL9 install. A friend has a 2200 running > Peter> on a Mac: it appears to be identical to the 960, just wider to > Peter> accomodate larger sheet size. > > Just make it clear, you're talking about the Epson printers here, > right? > yes > Peter> That said, beware of consumeables $$$!!!!! > > Yeah, that's the gotcha. For me, the big issue is no hassle use from > within Debian. The wife will also want to use it from Windows, but > that's another story. > > Actually, now that I think about it, a Network printer (ok, samba > shares would be fine too) is probably a key thing, so that we both have > access to either printer (we already have a laserjet 4M) from either > system. Of course she's upstairs and I'm in the basement. > Lots of up and down in my future. :] > Mine is dual-connected: via usb to "my" computer and via a jet-direct box for linux/network printing. Windows network printing (for example from my wife's laptop) is painfully slow to initialize, she complains all the time about that. Wasn't a problem when we had an HP1220 previously. > Peter> I've spent far more in ink and paper since January than I paid > Peter> for the printer! (And I really don't print a lot.) > > How many pictures can you print before you see to have to get new > cartridges? Or is the paper the expensive part? > Like the Epson 2200, this one has 7 ink cartridges: Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, plus Light Cyan, Light Magenta, and 2(!!) black cartridges. Running approx $9.95@ mailorder. A full box of 50 sheets 8.5x11 glossy paper (~$23 from Amazon) seems to use up a full ink set, maybe a little more depending on coverage. You'd think that roll paper might be cheaper, but I haven't found that to be the case. (Maybe supply and demand at work here.) I'm on my 3rd box of paper since January. Also, generic printing in less that "High Quality Photo" mode seems to much less ink. -Peter

Aug. 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux Photo Printer recommendations

by John Stoffel

Peter> I have a 960 Photo printer. Excellent print quality and drivers Peter> were available on a RHL9 install. A friend has a 2200 running Peter> on a Mac: it appears to be identical to the 960, just wider to Peter> accomodate larger sheet size. Just make it clear, you're talking about the Epson printers here, right? Peter> That said, beware of consumeables $$$!!!!! Yeah, that's the gotcha. For me, the big issue is no hassle use from within Debian. The wife will also want to use it from Windows, but that's another story. Actually, now that I think about it, a Network printer (ok, samba shares would be fine too) is probably a key thing, so that we both have access to either printer (we already have a laserjet 4M) from either system. Of course she's upstairs and I'm in the basement. Lots of up and down in my future. :] Peter> I've spent far more in ink and paper since January than I paid Peter> for the printer! (And I really don't print a lot.) How many pictures can you print before you see to have to get new cartridges? Or is the paper the expensive part? John

Aug. 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Installing Gentoo

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 31 August 2004 01:58 pm, Carlton C. Stedman II wrote: > You *can* use prebuilt binary packages, > but then why bother using Gentoo? lemme just hop on this real quick ... Gentoo has become pretty synonymous with 'compiling from source' but in reality, that is *not* what 'Gentoo' 'is' ... we push Gentoo as a distro that is full of choices ... you can choose to use binaries or you can choose to compile ... you can easily maintain a Gentoo host with just binary packages; the problem we currently sufer from is no infrastructure to build & host up-to-date binary packages for people for all our architectures so, to recap: Gentoo != compiling Gentoo == choice -mike

Aug. 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] another vote for a future meeting topic

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 31 August 2004 11:58 am, Ryan Caron wrote: > We would not be able to complete a stage 1 or stage 2 install during a > typical WLUG meeting and it is the kind of thing to let run overnight. actually, you could, if you have an amd64 or similar machine :) > If you are a laptop user you can download all the neccessary source files in > advance and leave the meeting with the laptop still compiling. Otherwise, > a constant, and preferably fast, network connection is required. yep, you can download all the source files by adding '-f' to the step you're about to execute, then proceed with the actual build to got from a 'complete Gentoo system' (stage3) to a typical 'desktop system' can be done quickly with GRP (a set of binary packages for things like KE/GNOME/X/etc...) -mike

Aug. 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux Photo Printer recommendations

by Peter Gutowski

I have a 960 Photo printer. Excellent print quality and drivers were available on a RHL9 install. A friend has a 2200 running on a Mac: it appears to be identical to the 960, just wider to accomodate larger sheet size. That said, beware of consumeables $$$!!!!! I've spent far more in ink and paper since January than I paid for the printer! (And I really don't print a lot.) > > Hi, > > Does anyone have a recommendation of a good photo printer under Linux? > I've heard good things about Epson printers, specifically the 2200 > series. > > I need a printer with USB connection, and good quality output (under > Linux, gimp-print?) of pictures/photos. > > Thanks, > John > _______________________________________________

Aug. 31, 2004

Linux Photo Printer recommendations

by John Stoffel

Hi, Does anyone have a recommendation of a good photo printer under Linux? I've heard good things about Epson printers, specifically the 2200 series. I need a printer with USB connection, and good quality output (under Linux, gimp-print?) of pictures/photos. Thanks, John

Aug. 31, 2004

In Search for Unix / Linux Career

by John Kim Ndungu

Folks, I need some help here. I am a Linux / Unix newbie and I am wondering how I can painlessly (although I realize that i must put in a lot of hard work) get a carrer in the Unix / Linux world. I am a CCNA, MCSE, CCSA, N+ and A+ and I am comfortable in the networking field. I am comfortable with the Cisco IOS, Checkpoint as well as the microsoft shit. But after realizing that Microsoft is not my very friendly area, I am leaning towards going into the Linux / Unix world. Where should I start? I dont want to spend time going to school and I am confortable with self study. What certifications would you recommend and what books do I need? Thanks, John

Aug. 31, 2004