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Re: Great meeting last night!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "gmcaplan---" == gmcaplan--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Hi Tim, As you might remember, I attended several WLUG meetings when > they were virtual. I read a recent email that led me to believe > there is still a way for me t attend virtually. Is that true? If > so. I will try attend some future meetings. You should be able to find the link on the website for the monthly meetings, and we do still try to make them both virtual and in-person at the same time. So please do join next month! > Also, here is question that maybe you or someone in WLUG can help me > with. My computer runs (for now, don't ask why) Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. A > financial institution says I must run a virus scan very soon. I > installed clamav and then ran freshclam. As far as I can tell, > freshclam has been running for 15 hours, and is still running. Is > that typical etc.? I suspect they're just doing this for all people who connect via a web-browser. But it's hard to know if it's an ok thing because you don't tell us how many files you have and how much data needs to be scanned. And I would also rcommend that you upgrade to 20.04 or 22.04 as soon as you can. Both of those releases should run just fine on a system running 18.04, which is really quite old. It might also just be that you're web browser is old (in the financial institution's eyes) so they want a scan. Is this a laptop with limited memory and/or disk space? Or an old old CPU? More details would help us here. Thanks. > George Caplan > P.S. Here is some blatant self-promotion which doubles as recruiting > info for UPchieve, which especially needs Physics and CS coaches > (tutors). It also explains why I am too busy to update my OS ... for > now. (I am now very close to 3000 tutoring session.) > https://upchieve.org/blog/volunteer-math-tutor-george That would make sense why you're so busy and why you don't want to possibly break thins with an upgrade. It might be simpler to spin up a VM on the system and install the latest version of Ubuntu in there, with a newer web browser and see if your financial institution will be happier then. > On 2024-04-12 9:16 am, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote > Having our own Jitsi instance was fantastic! > Jansen got into ollama AI stuff and it was really cool. He's expressed interest in doing a > full end to end demo. We talked about the xz explot and it's entanglement with systemd and > OpenSSH. It was a great conversation about the history and missteps of systemd and how we got > to this place where so many pieces of critical software in the FOSS are supported by just a > few people. > Next month's meeting will need to be moved around as it conflicts with something, I'll give > more details as I learn them. > Thanks, > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as > "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/GEZL2… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RCJ5L…

April 12, 2024

Re: Great meeting last night!

by gmcaplan＠gmcaplan.org

Hi Tim, As you might remember, I attended several WLUG meetings when they were virtual. I read a recent email that led me to believe there is still a way for me t attend virtually. Is that true? If so. I will try attend some future meetings. Also, here is question that maybe you or someone in WLUG can help me with. My computer runs (for now, don't ask why) Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. A financial institution says I must run a virus scan very soon. I installed clamav and then ran freshclam. As far as I can tell, freshclam has been running for 15 hours, and is still running. Is that typical etc.? Thanks. George Caplan P.S. Here is some blatant self-promotion which doubles as recruiting info for UPchieve, which especially needs Physics and CS coaches (tutors). It also explains why I am too busy to update my OS ... for now. (I am now very close to 3000 tutoring session.) https://upchieve.org/blog/volunteer-math-tutor-george On 2024-04-12 9:16 am, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote > Having our own Jitsi instance was fantastic! > > Jansen got into ollama AI stuff and it was really cool. He's expressed > interest in doing a full end to end demo. We talked about the xz explot > and it's entanglement with systemd and OpenSSH. It was a great > conversation about the history and missteps of systemd and how we got > to this place where so many pieces of critical software in the FOSS are > supported by just a few people. > > Next month's meeting will need to be moved around as it conflicts with > something, I'll give more details as I learn them. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/GEZL2…

April 12, 2024

Re: Great meeting last night!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Having our own Jitsi instance was fantastic! That sounds great. Wish I could have joined guys. > Jansen got into ollama AI stuff and it was really cool. He's > expressed interest in doing a full end to end demo. We talked about > the xz explot and it's entanglement with systemd and OpenSSH. It was > a great conversation about the history and missteps of systemd and > how we got to this place where so many pieces of critical software > in the FOSS are supported by just a few people. I'd love if Jensen could post some links and hints to what he did for his first demo a couple of months ago. And also learning if we could work just as well on AMD (my preferred HW) graphics cards. I guess I go for the underdog at times technology wise. LOL! > Next month's meeting will need to be moved around as it conflicts > with something, I'll give more details as I learn them. And what should our topic be? I don't think I'll have time to re-do my KiCAD talk, but hopefully some later month or in the fall I can do something.

April 12, 2024

Great meeting last night!

by Tim Keller

Having our own Jitsi instance was fantastic! Jansen got into ollama AI stuff and it was really cool. He's expressed interest in doing a full end to end demo. We talked about the xz explot and it's entanglement with systemd and OpenSSH. It was a great conversation about the history and missteps of systemd and how we got to this place where so many pieces of critical software in the FOSS are supported by just a few people. Next month's meeting will need to be moved around as it conflicts with something, I'll give more details as I learn them. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 12, 2024

Re: NEW VIRTUAL LOCATION!! Topic: xz, hosting, security, etc.

by Kevin Stratton

Sane here. I just connected as moderator at https://jitsi.uvhash.org/WlugMA%20uvhash.org. I was the only one there. On 4/11/2024 4:07 PM, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> In an effort to actually eat our own cooking, I've stood up a Jitsi server for >> us to use. > Nice. Thanks for that. What did you do and how did you learn to do it? > >> The NEW VIRTUAL LOCATION: https://jitsi.uvhash.org/WlugMA > I just tried that link. Instead of telling me to wait for a moderator > it told me I was a moderator. I quit immediately. Hope I didn't > screw up something or sign up for something. I don't know how to > moderate. Call me if you need someone to incite. -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2OOMU…

April 11, 2024

Re: NEW VIRTUAL LOCATION!! Topic: xz, hosting, security, etc.

by Tim Keller

Nope, you won't break anything. it's a free for all! Feel free to join, it'll be fun! When the nights over, I'll spin the droplet down until next month. Tim. On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 4:07 PM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > In an effort to actually eat our own cooking, I've stood up a Jitsi > server for > > us to use. > > Nice. Thanks for that. What did you do and how did you learn to do it? > > > The NEW VIRTUAL LOCATION: https://jitsi.uvhash.org/WlugMA > > I just tried that link. Instead of telling me to wait for a moderator > it told me I was a moderator. I quit immediately. Hope I didn't > screw up something or sign up for something. I don't know how to > moderate. Call me if you need someone to incite. -- Keith > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 11, 2024

NEW VIRTUAL LOCATION!! Topic: xz, hosting, security, etc.

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > In an effort to actually eat our own cooking, I've stood up a Jitsi server for > us to use. Nice. Thanks for that. What did you do and how did you learn to do it? > The NEW VIRTUAL LOCATION: https://jitsi.uvhash.org/WlugMA I just tried that link. Instead of telling me to wait for a moderator it told me I was a moderator. I quit immediately. Hope I didn't screw up something or sign up for something. I don't know how to moderate. Call me if you need someone to incite. -- Keith

April 11, 2024

Reminder: Meeting tonight!! NEW VIRTUAL LOCATION!! Topic: xz, hosting, security, etc.

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, In an effort to actually eat our own cooking, I've stood up a Jitsi server for us to use. Physical location: Technocopia, 44 Portland st. Worcester MA The NEW VIRTUAL LOCATION: https://jitsi.uvhash.org/WlugMA Time: 7pm Date: Today! April 11th, 2024 Topic: We'll talk about the xz backdoor attempt, other linux related security stuff, How dead easy it was to self host jitsi, other hosting stuff likely, etc. As usual, I'm sure the conversation will wander, get really interesting and it'll be a blast. I'll have refreshments with me and we'll all head off to dinner afterwards. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 11, 2024

Re: Um..wow..

by Tim Keller

Yup! The actual address is going to be: https://jitsi.uvhash.org/WlugMA uvhash.org is my domain.. I stood up my own Jitsi server.. I'm a bit done with Jitsi's quality.. I'll be sending up the reminder email with more details in a moment. Tim. On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 2:26 PM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > I'm busy spinning up an Jitsi instance in Digital Ocean for tonight.. > > the default Ubuntu 22.04 droplet.. needs 204 updates apply.. when it > starts.. > > I was just a bit surprised.. > > Is this very different from the way it has been done in the past? > > Is the address changing from https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA ? > > That address seems to still be there. I just tried to join the meeting > and it didn't say 404, it said "wait for moderator?". > > I hope to join tonight via Jitsi. In the past I have done that > by borrowing a Windows computer that has a earplug/mike jack and > has been used for Zoom. > > I thought the computer was for doing computations and never put much > thought or effort into watching TV on it, but I have obtained a pair > of USB headphones w/ attached microphone, and have been playing with > it (them) and finding the buttons and setup menus. It seems to work. > > So I will be joining (if at all) with a Genuine Linux(TM) laptop. > > The big advantage of that, besides proof-of-concept, is that I might > be able to screen-share and show people what I have been computing. > > CU7PM, > -- Keith > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 11, 2024

Re: Um..wow..

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I'm busy spinning up an Jitsi instance in Digital Ocean for tonight.. > the default Ubuntu 22.04 droplet.. needs 204 updates apply.. when it starts.. > I was just a bit surprised.. Is this very different from the way it has been done in the past? Is the address changing from https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA ? That address seems to still be there. I just tried to join the meeting and it didn't say 404, it said "wait for moderator?". I hope to join tonight via Jitsi. In the past I have done that by borrowing a Windows computer that has a earplug/mike jack and has been used for Zoom. I thought the computer was for doing computations and never put much thought or effort into watching TV on it, but I have obtained a pair of USB headphones w/ attached microphone, and have been playing with it (them) and finding the buttons and setup menus. It seems to work. So I will be joining (if at all) with a Genuine Linux(TM) laptop. The big advantage of that, besides proof-of-concept, is that I might be able to screen-share and show people what I have been computing. CU7PM, -- Keith

April 11, 2024

Re: Um..wow..

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I'm busy spinning up an Jitsi instance in Digital Ocean for > tonight.. the default Ubuntu 22.04 droplet.. needs 204 updates > apply.. when it starts.. 22.04 is upto version 6 I think, so I'm not too surprised. Good luck with the test!

April 11, 2024

Um..wow..

by Tim Keller

I'm busy spinning up an Jitsi instance in Digital Ocean for tonight.. the default Ubuntu 22.04 droplet.. needs 204 updates apply.. when it starts.. I was just a bit surprised.. Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 11, 2024

Re: Reminder! Next meeting April 11th, 2024 Topic: TBD, xz, net_filter, etc..

by John Stoffel

Sorry guys, I can't make it this month to the meeting, enjoy it without me!

April 9, 2024

Reminder! Next meeting April 11th, 2024 Topic: TBD, xz, net_filter, etc..

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, We've got a meeting next week on the 11th! Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA Time: 7PM Virtual Location: TBD.. Topic: TBD, though there's a whole bunch of security stuff to talk about! Obviously, we'd all be remiss if we didn't talk about xz. We should also talk about kernel root bug as well: https://pwning.tech/nftables/ Beyond that, I'm sure we'll get off on a bunch of different topics. If there's something you want to talk about, by all means bring it up! As usual, we'll have snacks and refreshments available and we'll head off for dinner and continue the conversation! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 5, 2024

Re: ISPS limiting..was Re: Meeting next week! March 14th 2024!

by Cara Salter

On 3/17/24 04:52, Michael Voorhis via WLUG wrote: > Outgoing SMTP is not blocked and will function, but is frequently > blacklisted by recipients who refuse to accept email originating from a > residential IP block. I have a relay in Amazon-EC2 that sends the > email. Some recipients continue to not like that, but doing > SPF/DKIM/DMARC goes a long way, and I've had no trouble sending to > recipients at gmail and at various MS outlook/o365ish recipients. +1 to SPF/DKIM/DMARC dealing with a lot of challenges related to selfhosting email. I'm not using my residential IP, but they're still really easy to set up for a large payoff. > > The biggest issue I have is that if the cablemodem goes offline for a > long enough time, my IP address changes. But I've got by now a > well-established checklist of stuff that I need to do when the house IP > changes, so I just walk through the list and all is well in a few > minutes. Decent email senders will queue the bounced email for a few > days before bouncing back to sender and I'm not aware of having lost > anything. I've found that OctoDNS + iCinga pair well for both detecting when my external IP changes, and getting fresh DNS records out quickly. I wonder how difficult it'd be to figure out some automation to do it all for me... --cs

March 16, 2024

Re: ISPS limiting..was Re: Meeting next week! March 14th 2024!

by Michael Voorhis

Outgoing SMTP is not blocked and will function, but is frequently blacklisted by recipients who refuse to accept email originating from a residential IP block. I have a relay in Amazon-EC2 that sends the email. Some recipients continue to not like that, but doing SPF/DKIM/DMARC goes a long way, and I've had no trouble sending to recipients at gmail and at various MS outlook/o365ish recipients. The biggest issue I have is that if the cablemodem goes offline for a long enough time, my IP address changes. But I've got by now a well-established checklist of stuff that I need to do when the house IP changes, so I just walk through the list and all is well in a few minutes. Decent email senders will queue the bounced email for a few days before bouncing back to sender and I'm not aware of having lost anything. --MCV. > I think the answer is "it depends". As Mike Voorhis says, his home > stuff just works. And I certainly allow incoming SSH and other > traffic to my home network. I honestly haven't tested if they > block outgoing SMTP (port 25 traffic) recently, but checking now, > they don't seem to be blocking it since I could get to my VPS on port > 25 from home no problem.

March 16, 2024

Re: ISPS limiting..was Re: Meeting next week! March 14th 2024!

by Tim Keller

This is the alcohol on the beach clause.. Become a pain in the ass and they'll point to clause L on their website and kill your access. It's interesting there's no SSH on that list.. What is also interesting is that they don't want you running squid.. because I think they don't want people blocking ads.. Tim. On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 12:36 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > I think the answer is "it depends". As Mike Voorhis says, his home > stuff just works. And I certainly allow incoming SSH and other > traffic to my home network. I honestly haven't tested if they block > outgoing SMTP (port 25 traffic) recently, but checking now, they don't > seem to be blocking it since I could get to my VPS on port 25 from > home no problem. > > I *have* been slowly working to get Wireguard setup at home so I can > tunnel over a VPN to my VPS to make some things simpler, so I just > have one end-point on my OPNsense Firewall at home which allows > connections from remote devices into my network. This way I don't > need quite as many firewall rules on OPNSense. At least that's the > idea, but lack of time and bugs have slowed my progress here. > > > I could swear I read before, at least for residential services that > > Charter (now Spectrum) internet did NOT allow you to host a site > > which is why I have never tried to do it. I would guess that its > > all about the bandwidth dollars. Below is a link to their current > > TOS (terms of service) in case it is of interest: > > I think if you start hosting something that gets their attention, > they'll shut you down. *shrug* not really sure. > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 15, 2024

Re: ISPS limiting..was Re: Meeting next week! March 14th 2024!

by John Stoffel

I think the answer is "it depends". As Mike Voorhis says, his home stuff just works. And I certainly allow incoming SSH and other traffic to my home network. I honestly haven't tested if they block outgoing SMTP (port 25 traffic) recently, but checking now, they don't seem to be blocking it since I could get to my VPS on port 25 from home no problem. I *have* been slowly working to get Wireguard setup at home so I can tunnel over a VPN to my VPS to make some things simpler, so I just have one end-point on my OPNsense Firewall at home which allows connections from remote devices into my network. This way I don't need quite as many firewall rules on OPNSense. At least that's the idea, but lack of time and bugs have slowed my progress here. > I could swear I read before, at least for residential services that > Charter (now Spectrum) internet did NOT allow you to host a site > which is why I have never tried to do it. I would guess that its > all about the bandwidth dollars. Below is a link to their current > TOS (terms of service) in case it is of interest: I think if you start hosting something that gets their attention, they'll shut you down. *shrug* not really sure.

March 15, 2024

Re: ISPS limiting..was Re: Meeting next week! March 14th 2024!

by Keith Wright

Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Funnily enough, I get a 403 error when I try to view that page. Last I > remember it allowed services for private use. > -------- Original Message -------- > From: THE HAMMER via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > https://www.spectrum.com/policies/internet-use-policy I get a page titled: Spectrum Internet Acceptable Use Policy, which says, in part: 2. Prohibited Activities Using the System, Network, and Service. Any activity or use of the Service which violates system or network security or integrity are prohibited and may result in criminal and civil liability. Such violations include, without limitation, the following: L. Running any type of server on the system that is not consistent with personal, residential use. This includes but is not limited to FTP, IRC, SMTP, POP, HTTP, SOCS, SQUID, NTP, DNS or any multi-user forums. So they threaten you with jail time for listening on port 25. PHLHT!! -- Keith

March 14, 2024

Re: ISPS limiting..was Re: Meeting next week! March 14th 2024!

by Michael Voorhis

I've had my house-server on the internet via Charter Spectrum for many many years. I send and receive (a tiny amt of) email, there's a webserver, and other small items. I've made no attempt to conceal any of this. --MCV. On 3/14/24 10:14 AM, THE HAMMER via WLUG wrote: > I could swear I read before, at least for residential services that > Charter (now Spectrum) internet did NOT allow you to host a site > which is why I have never tried to do it. I would guess that its all > about the bandwidth dollars.

March 14, 2024

Re: ISPS limiting..was Re: Meeting next week! March 14th 2024!

by Cara Salter

Funnily enough, I get a 403 error when I try to view that page. Last I remember it allowed services for private use. --cs -------- Original Message -------- From: THE HAMMER via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: March 15, 2024 1:14:21 AM GMT+11:00 To: John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org>, Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us>, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com>, THE HAMMER <hammerron(a)hotmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Re: ISPS limiting..was Re: Meeting next week! March 14th 2024! Tim, I could swear I read before, at least for residential services that Charter (now Spectrum) internet did NOT allow you to host a site which is why I have never tried to do it. I would guess that its all about the bandwidth dollars. Below is a link to their current TOS (terms of service) in case it is of interest: Ron https://www.spectrum.com/policies/internet-use-policy [https://www.spectrum.com/content/spectrum/residential/en/policies/internet-…]<https://www.spectrum.com/policies/internet-use-policy> Spectrum - Internet Use Policy<https://www.spectrum.com/policies/internet-use-policy> Learn about our Internet Use Policy for Spectrum Internet® and data subscription. www.spectrum.com ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2024 6:34 AM To: John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> Cc: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>; Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us>; Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Meeting next week! March 14th 2024! I knew this topic would be of interest to people! As I'm writing this Gmail is yelling at me to buy more storage.. For me the "self" is the level of control I have over it. Lately ISP's have gone out of their way to make it very hard to host services on your own networks and expose them to the internet. Tim. On Wed, Mar 13, 2024, 3:47 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org<mailto:john@stoffel.org>> wrote: >>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> writes: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> writes: >> >> We've got a meeting next week! > I hope to tune in via jit.si<http://jit.si> >> I think it's really worth talking about Self hosting. > I'm not quite sure what you mean by "Self". For twenty years I had a > DSL connection with a static routable IPv4 address. I had an intenet > host with Tandy Monitor that ran a name server, mail server, and web > server. That's all broken now because the ISP no longer does DSL. That's certainly a definite form of self hosting! When you run your own internet infrastructure (http, mail, ftp, ssh) that's you doing the work and keeping the control. > Instead I pay $10 month for a VPS (Virtual Private Server) from > AfterBurst, which comes with an IP address. Pretty much everything > that used to be in my basement is now in "the cloud". It's not > "Self" because its not my computer, but almost everything else is > the same. AfterBurst does not do anything, just let me use their > computer to do it myself. I do this too with a Linode Droplet ($5/mo) but I'm thinking I should upgrade to something with more CPU and Memory so I can run some better anti-spam tools. > The main problem I am dealing with now is that the internal (in home) > network is notwork. I have been keeping notes and put them here: That sucks! > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/ipv6.html > I am trying to use IPv6, which I have never done before. If anybody > has any suggestions... I've tried as well in the past, with the big issue for me being getting from IPv6 internally to a (mostly) IPv4 network outside. I think IPv6 probably works better as a gateway to your home, since you can then assign multiple distinct IPs to your own block of 64 (or whatever the count it) of internal IPs and make them visible to the outside. So it removes NATing and such. But IPv6 just is a pain to do. I keep reading that Charter/Spectrum offers IPv6 IPs, but I haven't made the leap. Still working on my wireguard setup, which has falled to the side lately. [https://s-install.avcdn.net/ipm/preview/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-…]<http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_cam…> Virus-free.www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_cam…>

March 14, 2024

Re: Meeting Tonight, March 14th 2024. Topic: "self hosting"

by Gregory Boyce

Thanks Tim. That would be great if it works out. No worries if it does not. On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 11:31 AM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > In the past we have tried with limited success, I'll see if I can get it > recorded. > > This folds nicely into the topic. > > Jitsi has a built in recording feature.. that uses Dropbox and seems to > only *randomly* work, or stops recording randomly.. real fun.. > > I've got OBS on my laptop, so I'll see if I can record it local and the > upload it to our YouTube channel. > > Tim. > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2024, 10:58 AM Gregory Boyce <gregory.boyce(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> This sounds right up my alley, but I'm not going to be able to attend. >> Are these sessions recorded by any chance? >> >> On Thu, Mar 14, 2024, 10:46 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Time: 7pm. >>> Date: March 14th 2024 >>> Location: Technocopia >>> 44 Portland St. Worcester MA. >>> Virtual Location: hopefully hosted independently, but at >>> https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA >>> For now.. >>> >>> We are increasingly living in a world where our data isn't ours anymore. >>> Everything is a service being hosted by some entity, subjected to the whims >>> of that entity. >>> >>> Come to love some service? They're discontinuing it. >>> >>> Your data? They're using it to train some AI that you don't control. >>> >>> Functionality? Ever changing.. >>> >>> Costs? To change without warning and your data is now hostage. >>> >>> To that end.. What are people doing? What would people like to do? >>> >>> What options are out there? What's worked in the past and now doesn't? >>> >>> There's also SOAF "significant other acceptance factor" to consider.. >>> If you own the data but it's so horrific to manage that it sends >>> everybody >>> around you fleeing back to some service, that's no good either. >>> >>> I expect this to be a pretty lively debate. >>> >>> As usual, we'll head out for dinner and continue the conversation. >>> >>> I'll have snacks and refreshments available. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Tim. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MBYXB… >>> >> -- Greg

March 14, 2024

Re: Meeting Tonight, March 14th 2024. Topic: "self hosting"

by Tim Keller

In the past we have tried with limited success, I'll see if I can get it recorded. This folds nicely into the topic. Jitsi has a built in recording feature.. that uses Dropbox and seems to only *randomly* work, or stops recording randomly.. real fun.. I've got OBS on my laptop, so I'll see if I can record it local and the upload it to our YouTube channel. Tim. On Thu, Mar 14, 2024, 10:58 AM Gregory Boyce <gregory.boyce(a)gmail.com> wrote: > This sounds right up my alley, but I'm not going to be able to attend. > Are these sessions recorded by any chance? > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2024, 10:46 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Time: 7pm. >> Date: March 14th 2024 >> Location: Technocopia >> 44 Portland St. Worcester MA. >> Virtual Location: hopefully hosted independently, but at >> https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA >> For now.. >> >> We are increasingly living in a world where our data isn't ours anymore. >> Everything is a service being hosted by some entity, subjected to the whims >> of that entity. >> >> Come to love some service? They're discontinuing it. >> >> Your data? They're using it to train some AI that you don't control. >> >> Functionality? Ever changing.. >> >> Costs? To change without warning and your data is now hostage. >> >> To that end.. What are people doing? What would people like to do? >> >> What options are out there? What's worked in the past and now doesn't? >> >> There's also SOAF "significant other acceptance factor" to consider.. >> If you own the data but it's so horrific to manage that it sends everybody >> around you fleeing back to some service, that's no good either. >> >> I expect this to be a pretty lively debate. >> >> As usual, we'll head out for dinner and continue the conversation. >> >> I'll have snacks and refreshments available. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MBYXB… >> >

March 14, 2024

Re: Meeting Tonight, March 14th 2024. Topic: "self hosting"

by Gregory Boyce

This sounds right up my alley, but I'm not going to be able to attend. Are these sessions recorded by any chance? On Thu, Mar 14, 2024, 10:46 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Time: 7pm. > Date: March 14th 2024 > Location: Technocopia > 44 Portland St. Worcester MA. > Virtual Location: hopefully hosted independently, but at > https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > For now.. > > We are increasingly living in a world where our data isn't ours anymore. > Everything is a service being hosted by some entity, subjected to the whims > of that entity. > > Come to love some service? They're discontinuing it. > > Your data? They're using it to train some AI that you don't control. > > Functionality? Ever changing.. > > Costs? To change without warning and your data is now hostage. > > To that end.. What are people doing? What would people like to do? > > What options are out there? What's worked in the past and now doesn't? > > There's also SOAF "significant other acceptance factor" to consider.. > If you own the data but it's so horrific to manage that it sends everybody > around you fleeing back to some service, that's no good either. > > I expect this to be a pretty lively debate. > > As usual, we'll head out for dinner and continue the conversation. > > I'll have snacks and refreshments available. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MBYXB… >

March 14, 2024

Meeting Tonight, March 14th 2024. Topic: "self hosting"

by Tim Keller

Time: 7pm. Date: March 14th 2024 Location: Technocopia 44 Portland St. Worcester MA. Virtual Location: hopefully hosted independently, but at https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA For now.. We are increasingly living in a world where our data isn't ours anymore. Everything is a service being hosted by some entity, subjected to the whims of that entity. Come to love some service? They're discontinuing it. Your data? They're using it to train some AI that you don't control. Functionality? Ever changing.. Costs? To change without warning and your data is now hostage. To that end.. What are people doing? What would people like to do? What options are out there? What's worked in the past and now doesn't? There's also SOAF "significant other acceptance factor" to consider.. If you own the data but it's so horrific to manage that it sends everybody around you fleeing back to some service, that's no good either. I expect this to be a pretty lively debate. As usual, we'll head out for dinner and continue the conversation. I'll have snacks and refreshments available. Thanks, Tim.

March 14, 2024

Re: ISPS limiting..was Re: Meeting next week! March 14th 2024!

by THE HAMMER

Tim, I could swear I read before, at least for residential services that Charter (now Spectrum) internet did NOT allow you to host a site which is why I have never tried to do it. I would guess that its all about the bandwidth dollars. Below is a link to their current TOS (terms of service) in case it is of interest: Ron https://www.spectrum.com/policies/internet-use-policy [https://www.spectrum.com/content/spectrum/residential/en/policies/internet-…]<https://www.spectrum.com/policies/internet-use-policy> Spectrum - Internet Use Policy<https://www.spectrum.com/policies/internet-use-policy> Learn about our Internet Use Policy for Spectrum Internet® and data subscription. www.spectrum.com ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2024 6:34 AM To: John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> Cc: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>; Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us>; Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Meeting next week! March 14th 2024! I knew this topic would be of interest to people! As I'm writing this Gmail is yelling at me to buy more storage.. For me the "self" is the level of control I have over it. Lately ISP's have gone out of their way to make it very hard to host services on your own networks and expose them to the internet. Tim. On Wed, Mar 13, 2024, 3:47 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org<mailto:john@stoffel.org>> wrote: >>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> writes: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> writes: >> >> We've got a meeting next week! > I hope to tune in via jit.si<http://jit.si> >> I think it's really worth talking about Self hosting. > I'm not quite sure what you mean by "Self". For twenty years I had a > DSL connection with a static routable IPv4 address. I had an intenet > host with Tandy Monitor that ran a name server, mail server, and web > server. That's all broken now because the ISP no longer does DSL. That's certainly a definite form of self hosting! When you run your own internet infrastructure (http, mail, ftp, ssh) that's you doing the work and keeping the control. > Instead I pay $10 month for a VPS (Virtual Private Server) from > AfterBurst, which comes with an IP address. Pretty much everything > that used to be in my basement is now in "the cloud". It's not > "Self" because its not my computer, but almost everything else is > the same. AfterBurst does not do anything, just let me use their > computer to do it myself. I do this too with a Linode Droplet ($5/mo) but I'm thinking I should upgrade to something with more CPU and Memory so I can run some better anti-spam tools. > The main problem I am dealing with now is that the internal (in home) > network is notwork. I have been keeping notes and put them here: That sucks! > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/ipv6.html > I am trying to use IPv6, which I have never done before. If anybody > has any suggestions... I've tried as well in the past, with the big issue for me being getting from IPv6 internally to a (mostly) IPv4 network outside. I think IPv6 probably works better as a gateway to your home, since you can then assign multiple distinct IPs to your own block of 64 (or whatever the count it) of internal IPs and make them visible to the outside. So it removes NATing and such. But IPv6 just is a pain to do. I keep reading that Charter/Spectrum offers IPv6 IPs, but I haven't made the leap. Still working on my wireguard setup, which has falled to the side lately. [https://s-install.avcdn.net/ipm/preview/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-…]<http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_cam…> Virus-free.www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_cam…>

March 14, 2024

Re: Meeting next week! March 14th 2024!

by Tim Keller

I knew this topic would be of interest to people! As I'm writing this Gmail is yelling at me to buy more storage.. For me the "self" is the level of control I have over it. Lately ISP's have gone out of their way to make it very hard to host services on your own networks and expose them to the internet. Tim. On Wed, Mar 13, 2024, 3:47 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> > >> We've got a meeting next week! > > > I hope to tune in via jit.si > > >> I think it's really worth talking about Self hosting. > > > I'm not quite sure what you mean by "Self". For twenty years I had a > > DSL connection with a static routable IPv4 address. I had an intenet > > host with Tandy Monitor that ran a name server, mail server, and web > > server. That's all broken now because the ISP no longer does DSL. > > That's certainly a definite form of self hosting! When you run your > own internet infrastructure (http, mail, ftp, ssh) that's you doing > the work and keeping the control. > > > Instead I pay $10 month for a VPS (Virtual Private Server) from > > AfterBurst, which comes with an IP address. Pretty much everything > > that used to be in my basement is now in "the cloud". It's not > > "Self" because its not my computer, but almost everything else is > > the same. AfterBurst does not do anything, just let me use their > > computer to do it myself. > > I do this too with a Linode Droplet ($5/mo) but I'm thinking I should > upgrade to something with more CPU and Memory so I can run some better > anti-spam tools. > > > The main problem I am dealing with now is that the internal (in home) > > network is notwork. I have been keeping notes and put them here: > > That sucks! > > > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/ipv6.html > > > I am trying to use IPv6, which I have never done before. If anybody > > has any suggestions... > > I've tried as well in the past, with the big issue for me being > getting from IPv6 internally to a (mostly) IPv4 network outside. I > think IPv6 probably works better as a gateway to your home, since you > can then assign multiple distinct IPs to your own block of 64 (or > whatever the count it) of internal IPs and make them visible to the > outside. So it removes NATing and such. > > But IPv6 just is a pain to do. I keep reading that Charter/Spectrum > offers IPv6 IPs, but I haven't made the leap. Still working on my > wireguard setup, which has falled to the side lately. > >

March 14, 2024

Re: Meeting next week! March 14th 2024!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >> We've got a meeting next week! > I hope to tune in via jit.si >> I think it's really worth talking about Self hosting. > I'm not quite sure what you mean by "Self". For twenty years I had a > DSL connection with a static routable IPv4 address. I had an intenet > host with Tandy Monitor that ran a name server, mail server, and web > server. That's all broken now because the ISP no longer does DSL. That's certainly a definite form of self hosting! When you run your own internet infrastructure (http, mail, ftp, ssh) that's you doing the work and keeping the control. > Instead I pay $10 month for a VPS (Virtual Private Server) from > AfterBurst, which comes with an IP address. Pretty much everything > that used to be in my basement is now in "the cloud". It's not > "Self" because its not my computer, but almost everything else is > the same. AfterBurst does not do anything, just let me use their > computer to do it myself. I do this too with a Linode Droplet ($5/mo) but I'm thinking I should upgrade to something with more CPU and Memory so I can run some better anti-spam tools. > The main problem I am dealing with now is that the internal (in home) > network is notwork. I have been keeping notes and put them here: That sucks! > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/ipv6.html > I am trying to use IPv6, which I have never done before. If anybody > has any suggestions... I've tried as well in the past, with the big issue for me being getting from IPv6 internally to a (mostly) IPv4 network outside. I think IPv6 probably works better as a gateway to your home, since you can then assign multiple distinct IPs to your own block of 64 (or whatever the count it) of internal IPs and make them visible to the outside. So it removes NATing and such. But IPv6 just is a pain to do. I keep reading that Charter/Spectrum offers IPv6 IPs, but I haven't made the leap. Still working on my wireguard setup, which has falled to the side lately.

March 13, 2024

Re: Meeting next week! March 14th 2024!

by THE HAMMER

I am very interested in this topic. Hoping I will make it to the meet. If not hope I can at least connect on line. cheers Ron ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2024 5:03 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Meeting next week! March 14th 2024! Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting next week! I think it's really worth talking about Self hosting. It's come up a couple of times, I think it's worth talking about what the options are, what they might cost and what can be hosted both using on prem hardware and your own cloud instances, options for networking, etc. I'd like people's ideas, caveats, etc. What have people hosted? Plex, etc. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 13, 2024

fun crashing and burning in Google Earth Pro's Flight Simulator

by Doug Mildram

Hey all (from doug in the boonies, retired = too much time on my hands) Brief my-nonexistent-skills-history: I've avoided fun/gaming on computers/screens forever. Well, ~ 1997 I bought a joystick and a couple windows games. Lost the joystick, but probably wouldn't help me in flight...? I did better with the 1990's era MS Excel97? magic escape to flight simulator that easily flew me on the moon, to a monolith. Fast forward to now. While looking for my town's GIS tax maps, (which I never found, just PDF's w/ lot lines, no owner names, no tax $info. Every town is different.) Then, under clueless town "Tax Maps" webpage, I found this note: *Please note*: Parcel boundaries are intended to be used for the purpose of property assessment and should not be considered survey accurate. You will need to have Google Earth <http://earth.google.com/> installed to view this data. For help using Google Earth go to the Help Center..... and forget all about tax maps ( I added that here-doug) doug> I got Earth help, yes! I have no joystick, so keyboard and mouse. Pardon doublespacing below. Some copy/paste's do odd things for my gmail edits (now I'm in tiny font in a battle to un-do the big effect of the above paste :) Stumbled into install cmds for google EARTH PRO (free), worked on Linux Mint20. 1) wget https://dl.google.com/dl/earth/client/current/google-earth-pro-stable_curre… (result: GOT a 58mb file named google-earth-pro-stable_current_amd64.deb) 2) sudo dpkg -i google-earth-pro-stable_current_amd64.deb (output: Preparing to unpack google-earth-pro-stable_current_amd64.deb ... Unpacking google-earth-pro-stable (7.3.6.9796-r0) ... Setting up google-earth-pro-stable (7.3.6.9796-r0) ... Processing triggers for man-db (2.9.1-1) ... Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils (0.24+linuxmint1) ... Processing triggers for mime-support (3.64ubuntu1) ... (DONE). LAUNCH TO OUTER SPACE: 3) $ google-earth-pro If you see a few continents from space, good but here's the fun: ========First zoom to somewhere you know, use upper LH Search, enter your address or fun place. Adjust eyes, or ignore briefly, fuzzy view of map,streets,trees,whatever. The fuzziness disappears or changes, if you enter Flight Simulator from here. ==== PULL DOWN MENU for "Tools" has "Enter Flight Simulator". Choose the slower plane, not the F-16 jet if you suck like I do. The mouse now flies the plane. I want to skim over my hood. I use my four arrow keys , mouse-moves work too but I flip out. I know I'm missing some kind of flight/plane control, should RTFM. I thought Flaps controlled pitch/up/down, but my Flaps stay at 40% and I crash in hilarious various mistakes every minute or so. What fun! Resume Flight brings all control back so off you go to die again.... I'll try to shut up now and find out if any of you already mastered? this. Lots cheaper than a drone! Fast, Cheap, Good.... all 3? --doug

March 13, 2024

Re: Meeting next week! March 14th 2024!

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > We've got a meeting next week! I hope to tune in via jit.si > I think it's really worth talking about Self hosting. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "Self". For twenty years I had a DSL connection with a static routable IPv4 address. I had an intenet host with Tandy Monitor that ran a name server, mail server, and web server. That's all broken now because the ISP no longer does DSL. Instead I pay $10 month for a VPS (Virtual Private Server) from AfterBurst, which comes with an IP address. Pretty much everything that used to be in my basement is now in "the cloud". It's not "Self" because its not my computer, but almost everything else is the same. AfterBurst does not do anything, just let me use their computer to do it myself. The main problem I am dealing with now is that the internal (in home) network is notwork. I have been keeping notes and put them here: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/ipv6.html I am trying to use IPv6, which I have never done before. If anybody has any suggestions... -- Keith

March 12, 2024

Meeting next week! March 14th 2024!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting next week! I think it's really worth talking about Self hosting. It's come up a couple of times, I think it's worth talking about what the options are, what they might cost and what can be hosted both using on prem hardware and your own cloud instances, options for networking, etc. I'd like people's ideas, caveats, etc. What have people hosted? Plex, etc. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 8, 2024

Re: (old?) Dell power-edge rackserver power supplies

by Eric Martin

Hi Michael, I’d be happy to take a PE200 and PE210 model off of your hands. Thanks, Eric > On Feb 26, 2024, at 02:22, Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > I could bring them to a meeting as long as that meeting is not on the 2nd Thursday of the month. I have a recurring conflict on the 2nd thursday of the month. > > --MCV. > >> On 2/22/24 14:23, Kevin Stratton via WLUG wrote: >> Are any of them of the Flex ATX form factor? They might be usable for a (noisy ?) mini-itx build. >> A quick google on power edge server power supplies show something that looks like it might be flex ATX form factor and an other power supply looks like a long square(ish) thingy. >> Let me know if you plan to bring them to the next meeting. I could use that as an excuse to drive up to Worcester. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FMAF6…

Feb. 26, 2024

Re: (old?) Dell power-edge rackserver power supplies

by Michael Voorhis

I could bring them to a meeting as long as that meeting is not on the 2nd Thursday of the month. I have a recurring conflict on the 2nd thursday of the month. --MCV. On 2/22/24 14:23, Kevin Stratton via WLUG wrote: > Are any of them of the Flex ATX form factor? They might be usable for a > (noisy ?) mini-itx build. > > A quick google on power edge server power supplies show something that > looks like it might be flex ATX form factor and an other power supply > looks like a long square(ish) thingy. > > Let me know if you plan to bring them to the next meeting. I could use > that as an excuse to drive up to Worcester.

Feb. 26, 2024

Re: Zoom Safety-Privacy-Security Question on Ubuntu

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "hammerron" == hammerron via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: I have no clue either, but it could certainly be me seeing bogus stuff in my emacs mail reader. > I have absolutely no idea where the hotmail.org came from. it should > be hotmail.com. I looked at the email that I sent and see no dot > org. My guess is if you sent an email to dot org it may have > bounced because it might not exist. Its not mine, anyway. > Ron > On 2/21/24 16:18, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >> Just a note, my reply directly to hammerron(a)hotmail.org (org!!!?!?!?) >> bounced, because it thinks I'm a spammer because my VPS is in a >> netblock they don't like. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/72KXM… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XGHFV…

Feb. 23, 2024

Re: (old?) Dell power-edge rackserver power supplies

by Kevin Stratton

Are any of them of the Flex ATX form factor? They might be usable for a (noisy ?) mini-itx build. A quick google on power edge server power supplies show something that looks like it might be flex ATX form factor and an other power supply looks like a long square(ish) thingy. Let me know if you plan to bring them to the next meeting. I could use that as an excuse to drive up to Worcester. On 2/22/2024 11:50 AM, Michael Voorhis via WLUG wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a number of spare power supplies for old Dell power-edge > rackservers. > > If anyone has an old rack server and they're looking for spare parts > to extend its lifespan, I've got the following dell power supplies. > Listed are # I have, the server they supposedly work with, and the > power-supply model number: > > 6x pe-1950 PS, mod d670p > 4x pe-r415 PS, mod d500e > 2x pe-r710 PS, mod a870p > 2x pe-???? PS, mod d750p. > 2x pe-r200 PS, mod ?ps5341? > 1x pe-r210-ii PS, mod. L250e > > Take them if you're going to use them. Please don't take them just > re-sell 'em... > > --MCV. > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5IGFF…

Feb. 22, 2024

(old?) Dell power-edge rackserver power supplies

by Michael Voorhis

Hello all, I have a number of spare power supplies for old Dell power-edge rackservers. If anyone has an old rack server and they're looking for spare parts to extend its lifespan, I've got the following dell power supplies. Listed are # I have, the server they supposedly work with, and the power-supply model number: 6x pe-1950 PS, mod d670p 4x pe-r415 PS, mod d500e 2x pe-r710 PS, mod a870p 2x pe-???? PS, mod d750p. 2x pe-r200 PS, mod ?ps5341? 1x pe-r210-ii PS, mod. L250e Take them if you're going to use them. Please don't take them just re-sell 'em... --MCV.

Feb. 22, 2024

Re: Zoom Safety-Privacy-Security Question on Ubuntu

by hammerron

John, I have absolutely no idea where the hotmail.org came from. it should be hotmail.com. I looked at the email that I sent and see no dot org. My guess is if you sent an email to dot org it may have bounced because it might not exist. Its not mine, anyway. Ron On 2/21/24 16:18, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > Just a note, my reply directly to hammerron(a)hotmail.org (org!!!?!?!?) > bounced, because it thinks I'm a spammer because my VPS is in a > netblock they don't like. > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/72KXM…

Feb. 22, 2024

hotmail.org !!!?!?!?

by Keith Wright

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Just a note, my reply directly to hammerron(a)hotmail.org (org!!!?!?!?) > bounced, because it thinks I'm a spammer because my VPS is in a > netblock they don't like. (org!!!?!?!?) is right. Where did that come from? I checked hammerron's original message, including all headers, and can find no trace of hotmail.org. I did some dig-ing and found no MX record for it. It does have a web page, which is a advertisement for Microsoftware. I am sending this to the address that comes up when I reply, which is hammerron(a)hotmail.com (com !!!!). I'll let you know if anything interesting happens. -- Keith

Feb. 21, 2024

Re: Zoom Safety-Privacy-Security Question on Ubuntu

by John Stoffel

Just a note, my reply directly to hammerron(a)hotmail.org (org!!!?!?!?) bounced, because it thinks I'm a spammer because my VPS is in a netblock they don't like.

Feb. 21, 2024

Re: Zoom Safety-Privacy-Security Question on Ubuntu

by John Stoffel

> Is the Zoom meeting client a relatively safe thing to download unto > a machine running Ubuntu? > I thought I should ask here, as googling will gives me different > responses. Should be fine. Especially if you run it on a linux which is upto date. I personally like Debian based stuff now, and use Linux Mint for my desktop. Haven't actually used it yet though. John

Feb. 21, 2024

Zoom Safety-Privacy-Security Question on Ubuntu

by THE HAMMER

Hey Gang, Is the Zoom meeting client a relatively safe thing to download unto a machine running Ubuntu? I thought I should ask here, as googling will gives me different responses. Thanks Ron

Feb. 21, 2024

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting tonight: Topic ProxMox / Turning Pi 2

by soup

Yep, definitely the case. Need CUDA cores, without them it's doing other and more work. It's funny the apple silicon will probably see faster performance increase than the Radeons just because that's where the people wrenching on this stuff are. I'm still in intel land there for OSX and will be for quite a while (audio software reasons). I'm operating slowly with a 2070RTX and agree, once you've got process, it is a much better value proposition to pay for cloud inferencing. Merging of large checkpoints, building intricate models, aren't possible on consumer hardware until you get into silly money and datacenter boards will always be faster in any case. There's facility and process for separation of elements but were I working professionally in this fashion I would not be expecting final output from inferencing. I would use it as a stock library, at this point in the tech anyway. Even the simplest use of the thing- generating backgrounds, saves so much work and allows for so much different _kind_ of work that if that was all it did it would be a revolution. Separation or direction of elements during inferencing has seen improvement in leaps and bounds, though. Not long ago it was just inpainting (creating masks), and autogeneration of partitions with math, then partition by token/attention and now even automatable manipulation of masking and weights by partition by mask. So it's definitely doable but would require each to build pipeline for their needs. Those tools are still in early stages but the ComfyUI¹ has a 'workflows' conceit for doing a lot of that with visual programming. I haven't moved on from grado library webui yet so no first hand experience with it. Already have pipelines for my purpose in that, the usual, no time to move to the bleeding edge~ For that particular need, the stock featureset of Automatic1111² can do growth, called "outpainting", of a given input. There's extensions to expand on steering capabilities for that but it does a fine job in my experience, as long as the checkpoint and tokens you're using "knows" something of the input. Talking about art is like dancing about architecture so I hope I'm being clear. Also, I should say this is all down at the consumer level, folks building huge base models or using it in enterprise are much more likely to be using pytorch and the diffusers lib. soup ¹ https://github.com/comfyanonymous/ComfyUI ² https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 9:52 AM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > You have to have a recent nVidia CPU to get good results, I was trying > using AMD GPUs and it just wasn't fast at all. So instead of spending > $500 on a GPU, I think spending $20 on some cloud rental might be a > good use of my money and time. > > Still watiing on <blanking on his name> to post his setup instructions > from New Orleans so we can all start poking at it. > > > Now one big issue I see is that once get generate an image, can you > get a version broken into layers? Do professional artists work mostly > in layers on computers so they can more easily re-compose their > layout? > > For some of the examples, I though it was really neat, but I'd like to > shift the result to the left say to emphasize the background more. > > But since I'm a terrible artist without any training or much talent, I > leave it to others to answer these questions. >

Feb. 16, 2024

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting tonight: Topic ProxMox / Turning Pi 2

by Dennis Payne

On Thu, 2024-02-15 at 09:52 -0500, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > > > > > > Now one big issue I see is that once get generate an image, can you > get a version broken into layers? Do professional artists work > mostly > in layers on computers so they can more easily re-compose their > layout? > I don't know if most artists do. I do for my bad artwork. I started remaking covers of old Dragon magazines. I tend to use a lot of layer so I move them around. Also I think it could be neat to animate or maybe use for a visual novel at some point. https://youtu.be/6Hm4wHMfsxc I don't think any of the AI tools separate out the layers. -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi

Feb. 16, 2024

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting tonight: Topic ProxMox / Turning Pi 2

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "soup" == soup <soupforare(a)gmail.com> writes: > They began leveraging large language models against... any data set > as I understand it. There were a few papers that set the world on > fire with their implementations. Academia was raided for > questionably sourced corpus for commercial use veiled in community > gain. > I've been wrenching on stable diffusion API for a few weeks, as a > former professional photographer it is shocking to me the quality > you can get from very little input and common COTS GPUs. Haven't > touched any of the SaaS cloud inferencing services that have come > out in this gold rush but they can do quite a lot more with the > datacenter class GPU grunt. Text to video (so-called "T2V") is here > and getting scary.~ You have to have a recent nVidia CPU to get good results, I was trying using AMD GPUs and it just wasn't fast at all. So instead of spending $500 on a GPU, I think spending $20 on some cloud rental might be a good use of my money and time. Still watiing on <blanking on his name> to post his setup instructions from New Orleans so we can all start poking at it. Now one big issue I see is that once get generate an image, can you get a version broken into layers? Do professional artists work mostly in layers on computers so they can more easily re-compose their layout? For some of the examples, I though it was really neat, but I'd like to shift the result to the left say to emphasize the background more. But since I'm a terrible artist without any training or much talent, I leave it to others to answer these questions.

Feb. 15, 2024

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting tonight: Topic ProxMox / Turning Pi 2

by soup

They began leveraging large language models against... any data set as I understand it. There were a few papers that set the world on fire with their implementations. Academia was raided for questionably sourced corpus for commercial use veiled in community gain. I've been wrenching on stable diffusion API for a few weeks, as a former professional photographer it is shocking to me the quality you can get from very little input and common COTS GPUs. Haven't touched any of the SaaS cloud inferencing services that have come out in this gold rush but they can do quite a lot more with the datacenter class GPU grunt. Text to video (so-called "T2V") is here and getting scary.~ Bless, soup On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 4:19 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > And does anyone have pointers to the Image generating stuff we talked > > about? It wiould be fun to try it out myself and for $10 I could get > > alot of fun. > > That wasn't a motion, but I second it anyway. > > >From the viewpoint of a jit.si watcher, that was one of the most > fun demos of a program I have seen at a WLUG over the decades. > > But eye-candy aside, I was most interested that the demonstrator > claimed to understand how it works and to have some links. > > The meaning of words changes over time. More change in less time now. > > A cartoon generating program is called "artificial intelligence". > I can't draw cartoons, so I must not be intelligent. > > The words "machine learning" were used. As I said Thursday, I did > my dissertation on machine learning. At that time, it meant a computer > (with appropriate programming) would input a sequence of examples, > each marked as in or not in a certain class. The computer would then > (we hoped) be able to correctly classify examples that had not been > explicitly shown before. > > I didn't see anything like that in the demo. > > It was said to be based on a "neural net", but neural nets have been > around since Minsky started inventing words back in the fifties. > What changed to make neural networks suddenly start working? > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7OFTT… >

Feb. 13, 2024

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting tonight: Topic ProxMox / Turning Pi 2

by Keith Wright

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > And does anyone have pointers to the Image generating stuff we talked > about? It wiould be fun to try it out myself and for $10 I could get > alot of fun. That wasn't a motion, but I second it anyway. From the viewpoint of a jit.si watcher, that was one of the most fun demos of a program I have seen at a WLUG over the decades. But eye-candy aside, I was most interested that the demonstrator claimed to understand how it works and to have some links. The meaning of words changes over time. More change in less time now. A cartoon generating program is called "artificial intelligence". I can't draw cartoons, so I must not be intelligent. The words "machine learning" were used. As I said Thursday, I did my dissertation on machine learning. At that time, it meant a computer (with appropriate programming) would input a sequence of examples, each marked as in or not in a certain class. The computer would then (we hoped) be able to correctly classify examples that had not been explicitly shown before. I didn't see anything like that in the demo. It was said to be based on a "neural net", but neural nets have been around since Minsky started inventing words back in the fifties. What changed to make neural networks suddenly start working? -- Keith

Feb. 13, 2024

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting tonight: Topic ProxMox / Turning Pi 2

by Cara Salter

On 2/12/24 17:10, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >>>>>> "Pete" == Pete Wason via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> Heya - fun meeting, cool stuff! I meant to mention, I have a ton (literally) of decommissioned >> equipment at work we're looking to give/sell/donate away. Mostly Dell, but some other brands mixed >> in. I may have posted a partial list at some point on the list. A few older servers (R805, R300, >> two 32-bay Celeros NAS units, Synology RS2416+ with SAS expansion chassis), Optiplex and Precision >> desktops, a few Precision laptops (that cost us between$4-7K when new), a 16-port KVM, about 30 >> monitors, keyboards, mice, etc. etc. etc. > > What kind of KVM is it? I'd love to get one for home for my main > server/desktop combo in my basement, but if someone else can really > use it, I'm ok with it. I was interested in the KVM to replace the... "interesting" KVM currently in my server rack. It's two nonfunctional KVMs kludged together to make one functional KVM with no docs and no monitor. One of the switches only has a functional switch, and one of the switches only has a functional keyboard, with a COTS Dell monitor essentially gaff taped on top. In general though, I'd love to see a list of equipment up for grabs! --cs

Feb. 12, 2024

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting tonight: Topic ProxMox / Turning Pi 2

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Pete" == Pete Wason via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Heya - fun meeting, cool stuff! I meant to mention, I have a ton (literally) of decommissioned > equipment at work we're looking to give/sell/donate away. Mostly Dell, but some other brands mixed > in. I may have posted a partial list at some point on the list. A few older servers (R805, R300, > two 32-bay Celeros NAS units, Synology RS2416+ with SAS expansion chassis), Optiplex and Precision > desktops, a few Precision laptops (that cost us between$4-7K when new), a 16-port KVM, about 30 > monitors, keyboards, mice, etc. etc. etc. What kind of KVM is it? I'd love to get one for home for my main server/desktop combo in my basement, but if someone else can really use it, I'm ok with it. And it was great meeting you and I think we had a really fun and interesting talk thursday. Let's try to keep up the fun! Who's up for a talk next month? And does anyone have pointers to the Image generating stuff we talked about? It wiould be fun to try it out myself and for $10 I could get alot of fun. John

Feb. 12, 2024

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting tonight: Topic ProxMox / Turning Pi 2

by soup

That synology is nice, enough grunt to run a fair amount of compute on it. Probably too rich for my blood though. soup On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 9:26 PM Pete Wason via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Heya - fun meeting, cool stuff! I meant to mention, I have a ton > (literally) of decommissioned equipment at work we're looking to > give/sell/donate away. Mostly Dell, but some other brands mixed in. I may > have posted a partial list at some point on the list. A few older servers > (R805, R300, two 32-bay Celeros NAS units, Synology RS2416+ with SAS > expansion chassis), Optiplex and Precision desktops, a few Precision > laptops (that cost us between$4-7K when new), a 16-port KVM, about 30 > monitors, keyboards, mice, etc. etc. etc. > > If you know anyone who needs any more tech to play with, I have it! I also > have a bunch of stuff at home that's available. > > Pete Wason > Clark Labs > 921 Main Street > Worcester, MA > pwason(a)clarku.edu > 508 849 2323 (Desk) > 774 922 7202 (Cell) > On 2/8/2024 2:11 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > Hey Everybody! > > We've got a meeting tonight! > Time: 7pm > Date: February 8th, 2024 > Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > For a topics, We've got two. > > Topic #1: Turing Pi 2 hardware > Wlug member Zori Babroudi recently bought a Turning Pi 2 and a bunch of Pi > and Rocks compute modules. > Currently, it's a work in progress, but eventually once things are totally > working on it, I'd like to show it off in its full glory. But in the > meantime, we can marvel at the hardware. Ultimately, the plan is to run k8s > on it and do some LLM based AI stuff as well. > > Topic #2: ProxMox > With BroadCom's purchase and destruction of VMware, many of us are > scrambling to look for > alternatives to VMware Esxi. One great contender is ProxMox. It's a debian > based distro that's focused on providing a great interface to manage vms > running on kvm. It also has great support for video card pass through > (something I know Brandon is *very* interested in). I've got a 3 node > proxmox cluster that I will show off. John Stoffel has also been > experimenting with it as well so both of us can talk about the > good/bad/ugly of it. > > As usual, the conversation will be lively and focused around linux, FOSS, > fair use and who knows what! > > Afterwards we'll head off for some dinner and keep the conversation going! > I hope to see you there! > Later, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZL6T6… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FVWLG… >

Feb. 12, 2024

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting tonight: Topic ProxMox / Turning Pi 2

by Kevin Harrington

Bancroft School where I work would be very interested in the desktops and laptops. I am trying to build a Linux CAD lab, and all I have are 12 year old macs with 8gb ram. Do they have 16+gb ram? On Sat, Feb 10, 2024, 9:23 PM Pete Wason via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Heya - fun meeting, cool stuff! I meant to mention, I have a ton > (literally) of decommissioned equipment at work we're looking to > give/sell/donate away. Mostly Dell, but some other brands mixed in. I may > have posted a partial list at some point on the list. A few older servers > (R805, R300, two 32-bay Celeros NAS units, Synology RS2416+ with SAS > expansion chassis), Optiplex and Precision desktops, a few Precision > laptops (that cost us between$4-7K when new), a 16-port KVM, about 30 > monitors, keyboards, mice, etc. etc. etc. > > If you know anyone who needs any more tech to play with, I have it! I also > have a bunch of stuff at home that's available. > > Pete Wason > Clark Labs > 921 Main Street > Worcester, MA > pwason(a)clarku.edu > 508 849 2323 (Desk) > 774 922 7202 (Cell) > On 2/8/2024 2:11 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > Hey Everybody! > > We've got a meeting tonight! > Time: 7pm > Date: February 8th, 2024 > Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > For a topics, We've got two. > > Topic #1: Turing Pi 2 hardware > Wlug member Zori Babroudi recently bought a Turning Pi 2 and a bunch of Pi > and Rocks compute modules. > Currently, it's a work in progress, but eventually once things are totally > working on it, I'd like to show it off in its full glory. But in the > meantime, we can marvel at the hardware. Ultimately, the plan is to run k8s > on it and do some LLM based AI stuff as well. > > Topic #2: ProxMox > With BroadCom's purchase and destruction of VMware, many of us are > scrambling to look for > alternatives to VMware Esxi. One great contender is ProxMox. It's a debian > based distro that's focused on providing a great interface to manage vms > running on kvm. It also has great support for video card pass through > (something I know Brandon is *very* interested in). I've got a 3 node > proxmox cluster that I will show off. John Stoffel has also been > experimenting with it as well so both of us can talk about the > good/bad/ugly of it. > > As usual, the conversation will be lively and focused around linux, FOSS, > fair use and who knows what! > > Afterwards we'll head off for some dinner and keep the conversation going! > I hope to see you there! > Later, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZL6T6… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FVWLG… >

Feb. 11, 2024

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting tonight: Topic ProxMox / Turning Pi 2

by Pete Wason

Heya - fun meeting, cool stuff! I meant to mention, I have a ton (literally) of decommissioned equipment at work we're looking to give/sell/donate away. Mostly Dell, but some other brands mixed in. I may have posted a partial list at some point on the list. A few older servers (R805, R300, two 32-bay Celeros NAS units, Synology RS2416+ with SAS expansion chassis), Optiplex and Precision desktops, a few Precision laptops (that cost us between$4-7K when new), a 16-port KVM, about 30 monitors, keyboards, mice, etc. etc. etc. If you know anyone who needs any more tech to play with, I have it! I also have a bunch of stuff at home that's available. Pete Wason Clark Labs 921 Main Street Worcester, MA pwason(a)clarku.edu 508 849 2323 (Desk) 774 922 7202 (Cell) On 2/8/2024 2:11 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Everybody! > > We've got a meeting tonight! > Time: 7pm > Date: February 8th, 2024 > Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > For a topics, We've got two. > > Topic #1: Turing Pi 2 hardware > Wlug member Zori Babroudi recently bought a Turning Pi 2 and a bunch of Pi and Rocks compute modules. > Currently, it's a work in progress, but eventually once things are totally working on it, I'd like to show it off in its full > glory. But in the meantime, we can marvel at the hardware. Ultimately, the plan is to run k8s on it and do some LLM based AI > stuff as well. > > Topic #2: ProxMox > With BroadCom's purchase and destruction of VMware, many of us are scrambling to look for > alternatives to VMware Esxi. One great contender is ProxMox. It's a debian based distro that's focused on providing a great > interface to manage vms running on kvm. It also has great support for video card pass through (something I know Brandon is > /very/ interested in). I've got a 3 node proxmox cluster that I will show off. John Stoffel has also been experimenting with > it as well so both of us can talk about the good/bad/ugly of it. > > As usual, the conversation will be lively and focused around linux, FOSS, fair use and who knows what! > > Afterwards we'll head off for some dinner and keep the conversation going! > I hope to see you there! > Later, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org…

Feb. 11, 2024

Re: Hey Everybody! WLUG Meeting this week!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> We've got a WLUG meeting on the 8th! I know weirdly early in the month >> because the 1st landed on a Thursday! >> >> As for the meeting details: >> Time: 7pm >> Date: 2/8/2024 >> Location: Techncopia > I notice you did not mention > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > I missed the last meeting, but I think I could log in this > evening. Did you decide to scrap it? Nope, we'll be there tonight and hopefully online by 7pm.

Feb. 8, 2024

Reminder: WLUG Meeting tonight: Topic ProxMox / Turning Pi 2

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting tonight! Time: 7pm Date: February 8th, 2024 Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA For a topics, We've got two. Topic #1: Turing Pi 2 hardware Wlug member Zori Babroudi recently bought a Turning Pi 2 and a bunch of Pi and Rocks compute modules. Currently, it's a work in progress, but eventually once things are totally working on it, I'd like to show it off in its full glory. But in the meantime, we can marvel at the hardware. Ultimately, the plan is to run k8s on it and do some LLM based AI stuff as well. Topic #2: ProxMox With BroadCom's purchase and destruction of VMware, many of us are scrambling to look for alternatives to VMware Esxi. One great contender is ProxMox. It's a debian based distro that's focused on providing a great interface to manage vms running on kvm. It also has great support for video card pass through (something I know Brandon is *very* interested in). I've got a 3 node proxmox cluster that I will show off. John Stoffel has also been experimenting with it as well so both of us can talk about the good/bad/ugly of it. As usual, the conversation will be lively and focused around linux, FOSS, fair use and who knows what! Afterwards we'll head off for some dinner and keep the conversation going! I hope to see you there! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 8, 2024

Re: Firewalld/iptables/nftables question

by William Grenache

Understood - Thank you. Bill On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 11:01:43 AM EST, Patrick McEvilly via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: The systems we are building are just forwarders out to a $$$Splunk cloud syslog thing. So disk space is not a huge issue for us. From: William Grenache <grenache7994(a)verizon.net> Date: Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 9:57 AM To: John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org>, Patrick McEvilly via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Patrick McEvilly <pmcevilly(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [WLUG] Re: Firewalld/iptables/nftables question Question on Syslog location - Will this be deployed on a server / VM with internal or external storage? Wouldnt you have to partition the drive/s if internal storage is used? I may be over thinking this. On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 06:05:48 PM EST, Patrick McEvilly via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: Our logging folks that operate the $$$$$$syslog server said they were unable to parse our firewall logs once we sent them using tcp. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ As I indicated in my initial email I'm out over my skis a bit. I'll take a look at rsyslog and see if the docs are dumb enough for my level of skills. Ack on the Host OS, Bus Drivers, etc. We will see how it goes once we load it up. P. On 2/7/24, 5:44 PM, "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org <mailto:john@stoffel.org>> wrote: >>>>> "Patrick" == Patrick McEvilly <pmcevilly(a)gmail.com <mailto:pmcevilly@gmail.com>> writes: > Based on a suggestion here we setup Nginx and it looks like it is > doing what we need but open to other solutions too. We will check > out rsyslog too. rsyslog should be your goto here, especially since with all those devices, you might want to filter them into different lots based on the source IP, etc. > Logs are from about 2500 networking devices including firewall, > routers, AAA servers, wireless controllers on a sizeable campus > network. Ok, so are these devices sending only via UDP or can you turn them on to use TCP? TCP will help keep down message loss, but for your busier devices, you might run into problems. > We are testing with one firewall and its generating about 7,000 log > messages a second. This is probably on the high side; some devices > will be almost zero. I would try using rsyslog in this case. It's certainly easier to setup than syslog-ng, which was a damn disaster in my book. Super flexible, lots nad lots of options, but just a total pain in the ass to get working right. > The hosts are VMs (I will have two) that we are just getting the > configuration going on, we have not loaded it up with all the logs > yet so hard to tell CPU usage. Currently it is almost zero. We can > throw more cpu/memory at it if it is a problem. Make sure you have good networking into these syslog destination VMs. > Having the source send two copies of the same logs is possible > though now our gear is going to processing more log data than actual > data __ Sure, makes sense. Nice to just point everything at 'log.internal.local' and let that system duplicate the data to multiple destinations or backends. > The real issue if we can't trust the folks we are sending logs to to > not move or change to another site/location/cloud whoever is on sale > this week. Keeping some central log boxes makes it so we only have > to change the target on these two syslog hosts and not on all 2500 > devices. I understand completely! I'm happy to answer questions and give you example configs. The docs for rsyslog are ok, but sometimes the examples are a little lacking for real world examples. Obviously written by people who know the stuff inside out, but can't write for smart but ignorant use cases. :-) You could also have rsyslog save a copy locally, and then send in to another host. If you're looking for fully redundant setup, then you might need a load balancer of some sort. It's hard to get complete logging without doing funky things because having a fully redundant setup is nice simple to do right. But also, check your other system configs at the base OS level. And check your VM's bus drivers. Some network cards will have better performance than others. Depending on how you have your virtualization setup, you might need to tweak your VM's hardware setup to get better network performance. John _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ABJGX… _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FPPRL…

Feb. 8, 2024

Re: Firewalld/iptables/nftables question

by Patrick McEvilly

The systems we are building are just forwarders out to a $$$Splunk cloud syslog thing. So disk space is not a huge issue for us. From: William Grenache <grenache7994(a)verizon.net> Date: Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 9:57 AM To: John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org>, Patrick McEvilly via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Patrick McEvilly <pmcevilly(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [WLUG] Re: Firewalld/iptables/nftables question Question on Syslog location - Will this be deployed on a server / VM with internal or external storage? Wouldnt you have to partition the drive/s if internal storage is used? I may be over thinking this. On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 06:05:48 PM EST, Patrick McEvilly via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: Our logging folks that operate the $$$$$$syslog server said they were unable to parse our firewall logs once we sent them using tcp. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ As I indicated in my initial email I'm out over my skis a bit. I'll take a look at rsyslog and see if the docs are dumb enough for my level of skills. Ack on the Host OS, Bus Drivers, etc. We will see how it goes once we load it up. P. On 2/7/24, 5:44 PM, "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org<mailto:john@stoffel.org> <mailto:john@stoffel.org>> wrote: >>>>> "Patrick" == Patrick McEvilly <pmcevilly(a)gmail.com<mailto:pmcevilly@gmail.com> <mailto:pmcevilly@gmail.com>> writes: > Based on a suggestion here we setup Nginx and it looks like it is > doing what we need but open to other solutions too. We will check > out rsyslog too. rsyslog should be your goto here, especially since with all those devices, you might want to filter them into different lots based on the source IP, etc. > Logs are from about 2500 networking devices including firewall, > routers, AAA servers, wireless controllers on a sizeable campus > network. Ok, so are these devices sending only via UDP or can you turn them on to use TCP? TCP will help keep down message loss, but for your busier devices, you might run into problems. > We are testing with one firewall and its generating about 7,000 log > messages a second. This is probably on the high side; some devices > will be almost zero. I would try using rsyslog in this case. It's certainly easier to setup than syslog-ng, which was a damn disaster in my book. Super flexible, lots nad lots of options, but just a total pain in the ass to get working right. > The hosts are VMs (I will have two) that we are just getting the > configuration going on, we have not loaded it up with all the logs > yet so hard to tell CPU usage. Currently it is almost zero. We can > throw more cpu/memory at it if it is a problem. Make sure you have good networking into these syslog destination VMs. > Having the source send two copies of the same logs is possible > though now our gear is going to processing more log data than actual > data __ Sure, makes sense. Nice to just point everything at 'log.internal.local' and let that system duplicate the data to multiple destinations or backends. > The real issue if we can't trust the folks we are sending logs to to > not move or change to another site/location/cloud whoever is on sale > this week. Keeping some central log boxes makes it so we only have > to change the target on these two syslog hosts and not on all 2500 > devices. I understand completely! I'm happy to answer questions and give you example configs. The docs for rsyslog are ok, but sometimes the examples are a little lacking for real world examples. Obviously written by people who know the stuff inside out, but can't write for smart but ignorant use cases. :-) You could also have rsyslog save a copy locally, and then send in to another host. If you're looking for fully redundant setup, then you might need a load balancer of some sort. It's hard to get complete logging without doing funky things because having a fully redundant setup is nice simple to do right. But also, check your other system configs at the base OS level. And check your VM's bus drivers. Some network cards will have better performance than others. Depending on how you have your virtualization setup, you might need to tweak your VM's hardware setup to get better network performance. John _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ABJGX…

Feb. 8, 2024

Re: Firewalld/iptables/nftables question

by William Grenache

Question on Syslog location - Will this be deployed on a server / VM with internal or external storage? Wouldnt you have to partition the drive/s if internal storage is used? I may be over thinking this. On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 06:05:48 PM EST, Patrick McEvilly via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: Our logging folks that operate the $$$$$$syslog server said they were unable to parse our firewall logs once we sent them using tcp. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ As I indicated in my initial email I'm out over my skis a bit. I'll take a look at rsyslog and see if the docs are dumb enough for my level of skills. Ack on the Host OS, Bus Drivers, etc. We will see how it goes once we load it up. P. On 2/7/24, 5:44 PM, "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org <mailto:john@stoffel.org>> wrote: >>>>> "Patrick" == Patrick McEvilly <pmcevilly(a)gmail.com <mailto:pmcevilly@gmail.com>> writes: > Based on a suggestion here we setup Nginx and it looks like it is > doing what we need but open to other solutions too. We will check > out rsyslog too. rsyslog should be your goto here, especially since with all those devices, you might want to filter them into different lots based on the source IP, etc. > Logs are from about 2500 networking devices including firewall, > routers, AAA servers, wireless controllers on a sizeable campus > network. Ok, so are these devices sending only via UDP or can you turn them on to use TCP? TCP will help keep down message loss, but for your busier devices, you might run into problems. > We are testing with one firewall and its generating about 7,000 log > messages a second. This is probably on the high side; some devices > will be almost zero. I would try using rsyslog in this case. It's certainly easier to setup than syslog-ng, which was a damn disaster in my book. Super flexible, lots nad lots of options, but just a total pain in the ass to get working right. > The hosts are VMs (I will have two) that we are just getting the > configuration going on, we have not loaded it up with all the logs > yet so hard to tell CPU usage. Currently it is almost zero. We can > throw more cpu/memory at it if it is a problem. Make sure you have good networking into these syslog destination VMs. > Having the source send two copies of the same logs is possible > though now our gear is going to processing more log data than actual > data __ Sure, makes sense. Nice to just point everything at 'log.internal.local' and let that system duplicate the data to multiple destinations or backends. > The real issue if we can't trust the folks we are sending logs to to > not move or change to another site/location/cloud whoever is on sale > this week. Keeping some central log boxes makes it so we only have > to change the target on these two syslog hosts and not on all 2500 > devices. I understand completely! I'm happy to answer questions and give you example configs. The docs for rsyslog are ok, but sometimes the examples are a little lacking for real world examples. Obviously written by people who know the stuff inside out, but can't write for smart but ignorant use cases. :-) You could also have rsyslog save a copy locally, and then send in to another host. If you're looking for fully redundant setup, then you might need a load balancer of some sort. It's hard to get complete logging without doing funky things because having a fully redundant setup is nice simple to do right. But also, check your other system configs at the base OS level. And check your VM's bus drivers. Some network cards will have better performance than others. Depending on how you have your virtualization setup, you might need to tweak your VM's hardware setup to get better network performance. John _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ABJGX…

Feb. 8, 2024

Re: Hey Everybody! WLUG Meeting this week!

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > We've got a WLUG meeting on the 8th! I know weirdly early in the month > because the 1st landed on a Thursday! > > As for the meeting details: > Time: 7pm > Date: 2/8/2024 > Location: Techncopia I notice you did not mention Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA I missed the last meeting, but I think I could log in this evening. Did you decide to scrap it? -- Keith

Feb. 8, 2024

Re: Firewalld/iptables/nftables question

by soup

Syslog over TCP is, relatively, new so if they’re running boat anchor tech or haven’t run into it previous it’ll be an issue def. Nginx’ll do you for a good while, not the ideal thing, but what is. If you need something easy deploy multiplat single-bin down the road caddy with the L4 module built in should work a treat but I haven’t tested it in this kind of bodge. Great project though. Take care, soup On Wednesday, February 7, 2024, Patrick McEvilly via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Our logging folks that operate the $$$$$$syslog server said they were > unable to parse our firewall logs once we sent them using tcp. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > > As I indicated in my initial email I'm out over my skis a bit. I'll take > a look at rsyslog and see if the docs are dumb enough for my level of > skills. > > Ack on the Host OS, Bus Drivers, etc. We will see how it goes once we > load it up. > > P. > > > > On 2/7/24, 5:44 PM, "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org <mailto: > john(a)stoffel.org>> wrote: > > > >>>>> "Patrick" == Patrick McEvilly <pmcevilly(a)gmail.com <mailto: > pmcevilly(a)gmail.com>> writes: > > > > Based on a suggestion here we setup Nginx and it looks like it is > > doing what we need but open to other solutions too. We will check > > out rsyslog too. > > > rsyslog should be your goto here, especially since with all those > devices, you might want to filter them into different lots based on > the source IP, etc. > > > > Logs are from about 2500 networking devices including firewall, > > routers, AAA servers, wireless controllers on a sizeable campus > > network. > > > Ok, so are these devices sending only via UDP or can you turn them on > to use TCP? TCP will help keep down message loss, but for your busier > devices, you might run into problems. > > > > We are testing with one firewall and its generating about 7,000 log > > messages a second. This is probably on the high side; some devices > > will be almost zero. > > > I would try using rsyslog in this case. It's certainly easier to > setup than syslog-ng, which was a damn disaster in my book. Super > flexible, lots nad lots of options, but just a total pain in the ass > to get working right. > > > > The hosts are VMs (I will have two) that we are just getting the > > configuration going on, we have not loaded it up with all the logs > > yet so hard to tell CPU usage. Currently it is almost zero. We can > > throw more cpu/memory at it if it is a problem. > > > Make sure you have good networking into these syslog destination VMs. > > > > Having the source send two copies of the same logs is possible > > though now our gear is going to processing more log data than actual > > data __ > > > Sure, makes sense. Nice to just point everything at > 'log.internal.local' and let that system duplicate the data to > multiple destinations or backends. > > > > The real issue if we can't trust the folks we are sending logs to to > > not move or change to another site/location/cloud whoever is on sale > > this week. Keeping some central log boxes makes it so we only have > > to change the target on these two syslog hosts and not on all 2500 > > devices. > > > I understand completely! I'm happy to answer questions and give you > example configs. The docs for rsyslog are ok, but sometimes the > examples are a little lacking for real world examples. Obviously > written by people who know the stuff inside out, but can't write for > smart but ignorant use cases. :-) > > > > > You could also have rsyslog save a copy locally, and then send in to > another host. If you're looking for fully redundant setup, then you > might need a load balancer of some sort. It's hard to get complete > logging without doing funky things because having a fully redundant > setup is nice simple to do right. > > > But also, check your other system configs at the base OS level. And > check your VM's bus drivers. Some network cards will have better > performance than others. Depending on how you have your > virtualization setup, you might need to tweak your VM's hardware setup > to get better network performance. > > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists. > wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists. > wlug.org/message/ABJGXWV2Z6TKZBGTNEGMOY7UX3LEXPFC/ >

Feb. 8, 2024

Re: Firewalld/iptables/nftables question

by Patrick McEvilly

Our logging folks that operate the $$$$$$syslog server said they were unable to parse our firewall logs once we sent them using tcp. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ As I indicated in my initial email I'm out over my skis a bit. I'll take a look at rsyslog and see if the docs are dumb enough for my level of skills. Ack on the Host OS, Bus Drivers, etc. We will see how it goes once we load it up. P. On 2/7/24, 5:44 PM, "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org <mailto:john@stoffel.org>> wrote: >>>>> "Patrick" == Patrick McEvilly <pmcevilly(a)gmail.com <mailto:pmcevilly@gmail.com>> writes: > Based on a suggestion here we setup Nginx and it looks like it is > doing what we need but open to other solutions too. We will check > out rsyslog too. rsyslog should be your goto here, especially since with all those devices, you might want to filter them into different lots based on the source IP, etc. > Logs are from about 2500 networking devices including firewall, > routers, AAA servers, wireless controllers on a sizeable campus > network. Ok, so are these devices sending only via UDP or can you turn them on to use TCP? TCP will help keep down message loss, but for your busier devices, you might run into problems. > We are testing with one firewall and its generating about 7,000 log > messages a second. This is probably on the high side; some devices > will be almost zero. I would try using rsyslog in this case. It's certainly easier to setup than syslog-ng, which was a damn disaster in my book. Super flexible, lots nad lots of options, but just a total pain in the ass to get working right. > The hosts are VMs (I will have two) that we are just getting the > configuration going on, we have not loaded it up with all the logs > yet so hard to tell CPU usage. Currently it is almost zero. We can > throw more cpu/memory at it if it is a problem. Make sure you have good networking into these syslog destination VMs. > Having the source send two copies of the same logs is possible > though now our gear is going to processing more log data than actual > data __ Sure, makes sense. Nice to just point everything at 'log.internal.local' and let that system duplicate the data to multiple destinations or backends. > The real issue if we can't trust the folks we are sending logs to to > not move or change to another site/location/cloud whoever is on sale > this week. Keeping some central log boxes makes it so we only have > to change the target on these two syslog hosts and not on all 2500 > devices. I understand completely! I'm happy to answer questions and give you example configs. The docs for rsyslog are ok, but sometimes the examples are a little lacking for real world examples. Obviously written by people who know the stuff inside out, but can't write for smart but ignorant use cases. :-) You could also have rsyslog save a copy locally, and then send in to another host. If you're looking for fully redundant setup, then you might need a load balancer of some sort. It's hard to get complete logging without doing funky things because having a fully redundant setup is nice simple to do right. But also, check your other system configs at the base OS level. And check your VM's bus drivers. Some network cards will have better performance than others. Depending on how you have your virtualization setup, you might need to tweak your VM's hardware setup to get better network performance. John

Feb. 7, 2024

Re: Firewalld/iptables/nftables question

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Patrick" == Patrick McEvilly <pmcevilly(a)gmail.com> writes: > Based on a suggestion here we setup Nginx and it looks like it is > doing what we need but open to other solutions too. We will check > out rsyslog too. rsyslog should be your goto here, especially since with all those devices, you might want to filter them into different lots based on the source IP, etc. > Logs are from about 2500 networking devices including firewall, > routers, AAA servers, wireless controllers on a sizeable campus > network. Ok, so are these devices sending only via UDP or can you turn them on to use TCP? TCP will help keep down message loss, but for your busier devices, you might run into problems. > We are testing with one firewall and its generating about 7,000 log > messages a second. This is probably on the high side; some devices > will be almost zero. I would try using rsyslog in this case. It's certainly easier to setup than syslog-ng, which was a damn disaster in my book. Super flexible, lots nad lots of options, but just a total pain in the ass to get working right. > The hosts are VMs (I will have two) that we are just getting the > configuration going on, we have not loaded it up with all the logs > yet so hard to tell CPU usage. Currently it is almost zero. We can > throw more cpu/memory at it if it is a problem. Make sure you have good networking into these syslog destination VMs. > Having the source send two copies of the same logs is possible > though now our gear is going to processing more log data than actual > data __ Sure, makes sense. Nice to just point everything at 'log.internal.local' and let that system duplicate the data to multiple destinations or backends. > The real issue if we can't trust the folks we are sending logs to to > not move or change to another site/location/cloud whoever is on sale > this week. Keeping some central log boxes makes it so we only have > to change the target on these two syslog hosts and not on all 2500 > devices. I understand completely! I'm happy to answer questions and give you example configs. The docs for rsyslog are ok, but sometimes the examples are a little lacking for real world examples. Obviously written by people who know the stuff inside out, but can't write for smart but ignorant use cases. :-) You could also have rsyslog save a copy locally, and then send in to another host. If you're looking for fully redundant setup, then you might need a load balancer of some sort. It's hard to get complete logging without doing funky things because having a fully redundant setup is nice simple to do right. But also, check your other system configs at the base OS level. And check your VM's bus drivers. Some network cards will have better performance than others. Depending on how you have your virtualization setup, you might need to tweak your VM's hardware setup to get better network performance. John

Feb. 7, 2024

Re: Firewalld/iptables/nftables question

by Patrick McEvilly

Hi John Based on a suggestion here we setup Nginx and it looks like it is doing what we need but open to other solutions too. We will check out rsyslog too. Logs are from about 2500 networking devices including firewall, routers, AAA servers, wireless controllers on a sizeable campus network. We are testing with one firewall and its generating about 7,000 log messages a second. This is probably on the high side; some devices will be almost zero. The hosts are VMs (I will have two) that we are just getting the configuration going on, we have not loaded it up with all the logs yet so hard to tell CPU usage. Currently it is almost zero. We can throw more cpu/memory at it if it is a problem. Having the source send two copies of the same logs is possible though now our gear is going to processing more log data than actual data __ The real issue if we can't trust the folks we are sending logs to to not move or change to another site/location/cloud whoever is on sale this week. Keeping some central log boxes makes it so we only have to change the target on these two syslog hosts and not on all 2500 devices. Thanks Patrick On 2/7/24, 4:08 PM, "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org <mailto:john@stoffel.org>> wrote: >>>>> "Patrick" == Patrick McEvilly via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> writes: > First off, I’m in way over my head. $dayjob we have a redhat 8 box. > We are looking to take in syslog messages and sent them out to > one/two different IP addresses. Were are the syslog messages coming from? And as people have said, rsyslog is quite fast and should have no trouble pushing packets. Is your box running on two seperate interfaces? How fast are they running? How close to saturation are they? I.e. how busy is your networ? > We tried using > https://github.com/sleinen/samplicator <https://github.com/sleinen/samplicator> and while it works perfectly > and a one banana job to setup, we seem to be dropping a significant > amount of traffic on the box. At least 10% of the logs are missing > and we have not loaded up the system yet. We tuned out the network > buffers and added 25MB of memory without any improvement. Are you running in virtual hardware for your RHEL8 box? Looking at samplicator, it's old old software, and might not be tuned for newer versions of linux with sendfile and other system calls to speed things up. You might also have firwall and apparmour and selinux overhead. Try turning them all off. > https://github.com/sleinen/samplicator/issues/72 <https://github.com/sleinen/samplicator/issues/72> > Seems at a high rate of logs (which I think we would fall under) > there seems to be some issues. What is a high rate? > We looked at this option - > https://zapier.com/engineering/iptables-replication/ <https://zapier.com/engineering/iptables-replication/> > Redhat 8 seems to be using firewalld and backended with nfttables so we can’t directly use this > method so we tried this. > firewall-cmd --permanent --direct --add-rule ipv4 mangle PREROUTING 0 -i ens192 -p udp --dport 514 > -j TEE --gateway 127.0.0.1 > firewall-cmd --permanent --direct --add-rule ipv4 nat PREROUTING 1 -i ens192 -p udp --dport 514 -j > DNAT --to-destination 10.137.241.79:514 > firewall-cmd –reload > With no luck, packets are not getting sent to 10.137.241.79. > When it works with samplicator this is what we get. > 11:53:04.382233 IP 10.240.136.4.24277 > 10.240.1.1.syslog: SYSLOG local7.notice, length: 670 > 11:53:04.382408 IP 10.240.136.4.24277 > 10.137.241.79.syslog: SYSLOG local7.notice, length: 697 > sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward > net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 > IP Forwarding is enabled. > I’m not at all familiar with any of this and cutting and pasting > from the internet and chatgpt has come up empty. > Anyone have any suggestions on what we are doing wrong? Can you back up and give more details on your setup? Is the traffic coming from a host on the same subnet? Or is the traffic being routed somewhere? I've got rsyslog setup at $WORK and I'm doing all kinds of replication of logs and sending to various places without any problems. I've got probably 10gb of logs per-day going through there. So go back to basics: 1. turn off selinux 2. turn off apparmour 3. give us more details on the source and the destination. 4. Can the source simply send logs to both destinations? 5. How is your CPU on your RHEL8 system? What kind of CPU are you running? John

Feb. 7, 2024

Re: Firewalld/iptables/nftables question

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Patrick" == Patrick McEvilly via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > First off, I’m in way over my head. $dayjob we have a redhat 8 box. > We are looking to take in syslog messages and sent them out to > one/two different IP addresses. Were are the syslog messages coming from? And as people have said, rsyslog is quite fast and should have no trouble pushing packets. Is your box running on two seperate interfaces? How fast are they running? How close to saturation are they? I.e. how busy is your networ? > We tried using > https://github.com/sleinen/samplicator and while it works perfectly > and a one banana job to setup, we seem to be dropping a significant > amount of traffic on the box. At least 10% of the logs are missing > and we have not loaded up the system yet. We tuned out the network > buffers and added 25MB of memory without any improvement. Are you running in virtual hardware for your RHEL8 box? Looking at samplicator, it's old old software, and might not be tuned for newer versions of linux with sendfile and other system calls to speed things up. You might also have firwall and apparmour and selinux overhead. Try turning them all off. > https://github.com/sleinen/samplicator/issues/72 > Seems at a high rate of logs (which I think we would fall under) > there seems to be some issues. What is a high rate? > We looked at this option - > https://zapier.com/engineering/iptables-replication/ > Redhat 8 seems to be using firewalld and backended with nfttables so we can’t directly use this > method so we tried this. > firewall-cmd --permanent --direct --add-rule ipv4 mangle PREROUTING 0 -i ens192 -p udp --dport 514 > -j TEE --gateway 127.0.0.1 > firewall-cmd --permanent --direct --add-rule ipv4 nat PREROUTING 1 -i ens192 -p udp --dport 514 -j > DNAT --to-destination 10.137.241.79:514 > firewall-cmd –reload > With no luck, packets are not getting sent to 10.137.241.79. > When it works with samplicator this is what we get. > 11:53:04.382233 IP 10.240.136.4.24277 > 10.240.1.1.syslog: SYSLOG local7.notice, length: 670 > 11:53:04.382408 IP 10.240.136.4.24277 > 10.137.241.79.syslog: SYSLOG local7.notice, length: 697 > sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward > net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 > IP Forwarding is enabled. > I’m not at all familiar with any of this and cutting and pasting > from the internet and chatgpt has come up empty. > Anyone have any suggestions on what we are doing wrong? Can you back up and give more details on your setup? Is the traffic coming from a host on the same subnet? Or is the traffic being routed somewhere? I've got rsyslog setup at $WORK and I'm doing all kinds of replication of logs and sending to various places without any problems. I've got probably 10gb of logs per-day going through there. So go back to basics: 1. turn off selinux 2. turn off apparmour 3. give us more details on the source and the destination. 4. Can the source simply send logs to both destinations? 5. How is your CPU on your RHEL8 system? What kind of CPU are you running? John

Feb. 7, 2024

3 million smart toothbrushes were just used in a DDoS attack. Really

by Tim Keller

My favorite part of the story.. "While the details are scarce, we know that the compromised toothbrushes were running Java." We are officially living in the dumbest time line. My only hope is that the servers at the far end of that DDOS attack at least had a minty smell to them.. Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 7, 2024

Re: Firewalld/iptables/nftables question

by Cara Salter

On 2/6/24 13:11, Patrick McEvilly via WLUG wrote: > All > > First off, I’m in way over my head. $dayjob we have a redhat 8 box. We > are looking to take in syslog messages and sent them out to one/two > different IP addresses. We tried using > https://github.com/sleinen/samplicator > <https://github.com/sleinen/samplicator> and while it works perfectly > and a one banana job to setup, we seem to be dropping a significant > amount of traffic on the box. At least 10% of the logs are missing and > we have not loaded up the system yet. We tuned out the network buffers > and added 25MB of memory without any improvement. What syslog server are you using? In rsyslog at least I'm 99% sure you can send to multiple addresses: *.* @$syslog-receiver:514;RSYSLOG_SyslogProtocol23Format Just duplicating this line should do it. Admittedly, I only have one syslog receiver, but the manpages don't offer any issues with that. The issue it does bring up is with high volumes of logs, where UDP can cause logs to get dropped: > Due to the nature of UDP, you will probably lose some messages in transit. If you expect high traffic volume, you can expect to lose a quite noticeable number of messages (the higher the traffic, the more likely and severe is message loss) (from rsyslogd.conf(5)) I'd take a look at that and see if you even need samplicator. --cs

Feb. 6, 2024

Re: Firewalld/iptables/nftables question

by soup

Haven't used either of those. syslog over tcp will ensure delivery but if volume precludes that use I would use nginx for forwarding UDP if you need something quickly and dirty, but fluentd is kind of made for this. It can do parsing and transforms but it's all modularized with a fairly simple DSL, you can just do forwards. There's a gelf for graylog if that's where you're sending but it'll do s3, stdout, http, etc. https://docs.fluentd.org/how-to-guides/graylog2 There's a mess of how-tos for the popular use cases. good hunting, soup On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 1:18 PM Patrick McEvilly via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > All > > > > First off, I’m in way over my head. $dayjob we have a redhat 8 box. We > are looking to take in syslog messages and sent them out to one/two > different IP addresses. We tried using > https://github.com/sleinen/samplicator and while it works perfectly and a > one banana job to setup, we seem to be dropping a significant amount of > traffic on the box. At least 10% of the logs are missing and we have not > loaded up the system yet. We tuned out the network buffers and added 25MB > of memory without any improvement. > > > > https://github.com/sleinen/samplicator/issues/72 > > > > Seems at a high rate of logs (which I think we would fall under) there > seems to be some issues. > > > > We looked at this option - > > https://zapier.com/engineering/iptables-replication/ > > > > Redhat 8 seems to be using firewalld and backended with nfttables so we > can’t directly use this method so we tried this. > > > > > > firewall-cmd --permanent --direct --add-rule ipv4 mangle PREROUTING 0 -i > ens192 -p udp --dport 514 -j TEE --gateway 127.0.0.1 > > firewall-cmd --permanent --direct --add-rule ipv4 nat PREROUTING 1 -i > ens192 -p udp --dport 514 -j DNAT --to-destination 10.137.241.79:514 > > firewall-cmd –reload > > > > With no luck, packets are not getting sent to 10.137.241.79. > > > > When it works with samplicator this is what we get. > > > > 11:53:04.382233 IP 10.240.136.4.24277 > 10.240.1.1.syslog: SYSLOG > local7.notice, length: 670 > > 11:53:04.382408 IP 10.240.136.4.24277 > 10.137.241.79.syslog: SYSLOG > local7.notice, length: 697 > > > > sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward > > net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 > > > > IP Forwarding is enabled. > > > > I’m not at all familiar with any of this and cutting and pasting from the > internet and chatgpt has come up empty. > > > > Anyone have any suggestions on what we are doing wrong? > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/M2BHG… >

Feb. 6, 2024

Firewalld/iptables/nftables question

by Patrick McEvilly

All First off, I’m in way over my head. $dayjob we have a redhat 8 box. We are looking to take in syslog messages and sent them out to one/two different IP addresses. We tried using https://github.com/sleinen/samplicator and while it works perfectly and a one banana job to setup, we seem to be dropping a significant amount of traffic on the box. At least 10% of the logs are missing and we have not loaded up the system yet. We tuned out the network buffers and added 25MB of memory without any improvement. https://github.com/sleinen/samplicator/issues/72 Seems at a high rate of logs (which I think we would fall under) there seems to be some issues. We looked at this option - https://zapier.com/engineering/iptables-replication/ Redhat 8 seems to be using firewalld and backended with nfttables so we can’t directly use this method so we tried this. firewall-cmd --permanent --direct --add-rule ipv4 mangle PREROUTING 0 -i ens192 -p udp --dport 514 -j TEE --gateway 127.0.0.1 firewall-cmd --permanent --direct --add-rule ipv4 nat PREROUTING 1 -i ens192 -p udp --dport 514 -j DNAT --to-destination 10.137.241.79:514 firewall-cmd –reload With no luck, packets are not getting sent to 10.137.241.79. When it works with samplicator this is what we get. 11:53:04.382233 IP 10.240.136.4.24277 > 10.240.1.1.syslog: SYSLOG local7.notice, length: 670 11:53:04.382408 IP 10.240.136.4.24277 > 10.137.241.79.syslog: SYSLOG local7.notice, length: 697 sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 IP Forwarding is enabled. I’m not at all familiar with any of this and cutting and pasting from the internet and chatgpt has come up empty. Anyone have any suggestions on what we are doing wrong? Patrick

Feb. 6, 2024

Re: Hey Everybody! WLUG Meeting this week!

by Tim Keller

Currently we're having issues getting the Turing Pi 2 to boot, so doing a show off of Proxmox I could definitely do as well. I've got a three node setup as well as a backup node running at work, but I don't have anything on it that I couldn't show the world. Tim. On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 10:00 AM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > We've got a WLUG meeting on the 8th! I know weirdly early in the > > month because the 1st landed on a Thursday! > > > If things go well, I *might* have a Pi cluster using compute cards > > in it! I'll keep you all posted! > > That would be awesome to see. I've finally got ProxMox 8.1.3 up and > running at work. It's an interesting beast with some funky > limitations. And alot of flexibility. But the setup can be tough if > you have VLANs on your trunks/bonds feeding the servers. Lots of by > hand networking setup. > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 6, 2024

Re: Hey Everybody! WLUG Meeting this week!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > We've got a WLUG meeting on the 8th! I know weirdly early in the > month because the 1st landed on a Thursday! > If things go well, I *might* have a Pi cluster using compute cards > in it! I'll keep you all posted! That would be awesome to see. I've finally got ProxMox 8.1.3 up and running at work. It's an interesting beast with some funky limitations. And alot of flexibility. But the setup can be tough if you have VLANs on your trunks/bonds feeding the servers. Lots of by hand networking setup.

Feb. 6, 2024

Hey Everybody! WLUG Meeting this week!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a WLUG meeting on the 8th! I know weirdly early in the month because the 1st landed on a Thursday! If things go well, I *might* have a Pi cluster using compute cards in it! I'll keep you all posted! As for the meeting details: Time: 7pm Date: 2/8/2024 Location: Techncopia Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 5, 2024

Re: Proxmox!

by Mike Peckar

I am very interested in this topic and also have a conflict most Thursday evenings. I'm curious if folks are using cockpit for virtual management and their impressions. I looked at it a year or two ago and a deal killer in our environment was that it required a browser plug in for that use case on the client side. Mike

Jan. 26, 2024

Re: Proxmox!

by Gregory Boyce

On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 4:45 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Gregory" == Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 5:03 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>>> "Gregory" == Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > >> Coincidentally, I just recently started in a support role at Scale > >> Computing, which provides virtualization leveraging qemu/kvm, with > >> their own proprietary clustered filesystem. > > > Can we convince you to come and give us a talk? This looks really > > interesting! > > > I'm open to giving a talk, but I don't tend to be free on Thursday > > evenings. > > I think we could schedule something if it works better for you. Is > there a particular night that works better? Ideally I'd like to have > you do it in person, if only so I can pick your brain better. > I'm typically free on Mondays and Wednesday evenings, as well as every other Friday. > And does Scale offer support for datastores (not sure the term) on NFS > storage? Since that would make our transistion simpler. > No. We have a proprietary file system that distributes blocks across the cluster. In addition to redundancy of blocks across servers and disks, it also offers tiered storage where the bulk of content will exist on SAS HDDs, with more commonly used blocks moving to SSD or NVME storage. There's some good information here in the linked PDF: https://www.scalecomputing.com/resources/sc-hypercore-scribe-theory-of-oper… The VMs themselves would still be free to make use of any networked filesystems. -- Greg

Jan. 26, 2024

Re: Proxmox!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Cara" == Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > On 1/25/24 17:44, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >> Proxmox is it's own linux distro with a customized kernel that focuses >> on kvm. So installing it on a box takes it over. >> I've also setup a proxmox backup server and I'm doing backups of all my >> VMs in 30 minute intervals. >> >> It *feels* a bit like vsphere. The interface is *miles* better than >> OpenStack's interface. > Personally, I'm a fan of XCP-NGs interface over proxmox's. I manage > two clusters (one at home, one in a lab) and one thing that's stuck > out to me is how clunky its authentication is. Manually syncing LDAP > gets kind of old. Could we convinse you to come down to Technocopia and do a presentation too? Dueling presentations! And ideally on the strenths and weaknesses of migrating from VMware. ESX is still the 900lb gorilla, but broadcom certainly seems to be sawing away at the branches underneath it.

Jan. 26, 2024

Re: Proxmox!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Gregory" == Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 5:03 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >>>>>> "Gregory" == Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> Coincidentally, I just recently started in a support role at Scale >> Computing, which provides virtualization leveraging qemu/kvm, with >> their own proprietary clustered filesystem. > Can we convince you to come and give us a talk? This looks really > interesting! > I'm open to giving a talk, but I don't tend to be free on Thursday > evenings. I think we could schedule something if it works better for you. Is there a particular night that works better? Ideally I'd like to have you do it in person, if only so I can pick your brain better. And does Scale offer support for datastores (not sure the term) on NFS storage? Since that would make our transistion simpler.

Jan. 26, 2024

Re: Proxmox!

by William Grenache

Understood - Thank you for that. Bill On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 08:22:54 AM EST, Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 7:10 AM William Grenache <grenache7994(a)verizon.net> wrote: Gregory, Looks like Scale Computing competes directly with VxRail (VMware w/ Dell/EMC product) and other HCI appliances - Nutanix AHV comes to mind as well... Although, first glance - looks like you don't need and or can't use the VMware hypervisor in any way. Can I assume Scale has a VM converter? v2v like tools? That's correct. We use the Linux KVM hypervisor rather than working with something like VMWare. You can directly upload vmdk, qcow2, img, vhd and vhdx, and the system will automatically convert them before use if needed. We're natively using qcow2 internally. We also have a partnership with Carbonite for p2v migrations. -- Greg_______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FFIM4…

Jan. 26, 2024

Re: Proxmox!

by Gregory Boyce

On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 7:10 AM William Grenache <grenache7994(a)verizon.net> wrote: > Gregory, > > Looks like Scale Computing competes directly with VxRail (VMware w/ > Dell/EMC product) and other HCI appliances - Nutanix AHV comes to mind as > well... Although, first glance - looks like you don't need and or can't use > the VMware hypervisor in any way. Can I assume Scale has a VM converter? > v2v like tools? > That's correct. We use the Linux KVM hypervisor rather than working with something like VMWare. You can directly upload vmdk, qcow2, img, vhd and vhdx, and the system will automatically convert them before use if needed. We're natively using qcow2 internally. We also have a partnership with Carbonite for p2v migrations. -- Greg

Jan. 26, 2024

Re: Proxmox!

by William Grenache

Gregory, Looks like Scale Computing competes directly with VxRail (VMware w/ Dell/EMC product) and other HCI appliances - Nutanix AHV comes to mind as well... Although, first glance - looks like you don't need and or can't use the VMware hypervisor in any way. Can I assume Scale has a VM converter? v2v like tools? We can take this offline if this isn't the thread for questions like these. Thanks, Bill On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 06:23:55 PM EST, Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 5:03 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >>>>> "Gregory" == Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Coincidentally, I just recently started in a support role at Scale > Computing, which provides virtualization leveraging qemu/kvm, with > their own proprietary clustered filesystem. Can we convince you to come and give us a talk? This looks really interesting! I'm open to giving a talk, but I don't tend to be free on Thursday evenings. _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/N3ZGN…

Jan. 26, 2024

Re: Proxmox!

by Cara Salter

On 1/25/24 17:44, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Proxmox is it's own linux distro with a customized kernel that focuses > on kvm. So installing it on a box takes it over. > I've also setup a proxmox backup server and I'm doing backups of all my > VMs in 30 minute intervals. > > It *feels* a bit like vsphere. The interface is *miles* better than > OpenStack's interface. Personally, I'm a fan of XCP-NGs interface over proxmox's. I manage two clusters (one at home, one in a lab) and one thing that's stuck out to me is how clunky its authentication is. Manually syncing LDAP gets kind of old. --cs

Jan. 25, 2024

Re: Proxmox!

by Gregory Boyce

On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 5:03 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Gregory" == Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > Coincidentally, I just recently started in a support role at Scale > > Computing, which provides virtualization leveraging qemu/kvm, with > > their own proprietary clustered filesystem. > > Can we convince you to come and give us a talk? This looks really > interesting! > > I'm open to giving a talk, but I don't tend to be free on Thursday evenings. >

Jan. 25, 2024

Re: Proxmox!

by Tim Keller

Proxmox is it's own linux distro with a customized kernel that focuses on kvm. So installing it on a box takes it over. I've also setup a proxmox backup server and I'm doing backups of all my VMs in 30 minute intervals. It *feels* a bit like vsphere. The interface is *miles* better than OpenStack's interface. Tim. On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 5:03 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Gregory" == Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > Coincidentally, I just recently started in a support role at Scale > > Computing, which provides virtualization leveraging qemu/kvm, with > > their own proprietary clustered filesystem. > > Can we convince you to come and give us a talk? This looks really > interesting! > > > > Obviously I'm a bit biased since they pay me, but I have been pretty > impressed with the product. > > > On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 10:38 AM Tim Keller via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > Hey Gang, > > > As many of us have been watching the news, BroadCom has been > gleefully destroying vmware at > > scale. > > > I've been exploring FOSS replacements for esxi and one of those is > Proxmox. It looks pretty > > cool and has a pretty awesome set of features. > > > Tim. > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as > > "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5JBZJ… > > > -- > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/4HGXC… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 25, 2024

Re: Proxmox!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Gregory" == Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Coincidentally, I just recently started in a support role at Scale > Computing, which provides virtualization leveraging qemu/kvm, with > their own proprietary clustered filesystem. Can we convince you to come and give us a talk? This looks really interesting! > Obviously I'm a bit biased since they pay me, but I have been pretty impressed with the product. > On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 10:38 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Gang, > As many of us have been watching the news, BroadCom has been gleefully destroying vmware at > scale. > I've been exploring FOSS replacements for esxi and one of those is Proxmox. It looks pretty > cool and has a pretty awesome set of features. > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as > "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5JBZJ… > -- > Greg > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/4HGXC…

Jan. 25, 2024

Re: Proxmox!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I am using virtualbox running on Ubuntu 22.04 (not Pro). I'm using plain KVM on Debian 12 at home and it works nicely. But I want more features like live migration of VMs. So I've started looking at ProxMox as well. Also for $WORK since Broadcom is busy shooting itself in the foot in regards to ESXi. This tutorial looks quite in-depth. Haven't spent enough time looking it over, and I'd need to find spare hardware to run things on. https://www.howtoforge.com/linux-self-hosted-environment/ > I know this is not an enterprise level solution. but this seems to > do well (enough) for my personal needs. Yup, personal needs aren't as critical, but getting something to replace VMware might be key. And which is supported by Veeam as well. > I am running Windows 10 Pro as well as some other random stuff in > virtual machines. I am not a gamer. Me either! Except 'crawl', I'm adicted to v18.x of it. :-) > It has been functional/stable for quite awhile except for a very > recent Kernel Update breaking virtual box. This may be fixed since > virtualbox has automatically updated since this kernel update. I > have not updated the kernel to confirm that virtualbox works with > the new kernel. I will get a 'round tuit' when I do. I'm leary of VirtualBox for a couple of reasons. 1. It's Oracle. 2. It's not quick on kernel updates and I like to run newer kernels if I can.

Jan. 25, 2024

Re: Proxmox!

by Kevin Stratton

I am using virtualbox running on Ubuntu 22.04 (not Pro). I know this is not an enterprise level solution. but this seems to do well (enough) for my personal needs. I am running Windows 10 Pro as well as some other random stuff in virtual machines. I am not a gamer. It has been functional/stable for quite awhile except for a very recent Kernel Update breaking virtual box. This may be fixed since virtualbox has automatically updated since this kernel update. I have not updated the kernel to confirm that virtualbox works with the new kernel. I will get a 'round tuit' when I do. On 1/25/2024 10:45 AM, Gregory Boyce via WLUG wrote: > Coincidentally, I just recently started in a support role at Scale > Computing, which provides virtualization leveraging qemu/kvm, with > their own proprietary clustered filesystem. > > Obviously I'm a bit biased since they pay me, but I have been pretty > impressed with the product. > > > On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 10:38 AM Tim Keller via WLUG > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Hey Gang, > > As many of us have been watching the news, BroadCom has been > gleefully destroying vmware at scale. > > I've been exploring FOSS replacements for esxi and one of those is > Proxmox. It looks pretty cool and has a pretty awesome set of > features. > > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to > their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5JBZJ… > > > > -- > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org…

Jan. 25, 2024

Re: Proxmox!

by Gregory Boyce

Coincidentally, I just recently started in a support role at Scale Computing, which provides virtualization leveraging qemu/kvm, with their own proprietary clustered filesystem. Obviously I'm a bit biased since they pay me, but I have been pretty impressed with the product. On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 10:38 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > As many of us have been watching the news, BroadCom has been gleefully > destroying vmware at scale. > > I've been exploring FOSS replacements for esxi and one of those is > Proxmox. It looks pretty cool and has a pretty awesome set of features. > > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5JBZJ… > -- Greg

Jan. 25, 2024

Proxmox!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, As many of us have been watching the news, BroadCom has been gleefully destroying vmware at scale. I've been exploring FOSS replacements for esxi and one of those is Proxmox. It looks pretty cool and has a pretty awesome set of features. Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 25, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Aljerin" == Aljerin Butler,Jr via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Or you could look here: > http://customdesktopsolutions.mywebcommunity.org/index.php/linux-open-sourc… Thanks for the link. But I have to admit, the formatting on this site is horrendous! *grin* Black text on a grey background? And _small_ text too? Sheesh!

Jan. 18, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by Aljerin Butler,Jr.

Or you could look here: http://customdesktopsolutions.mywebcommunity.org/index.php/linux-open-sourc… On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 04:06:14 PM EST, John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: So for those looking for other SBC options, think one looks tempting: https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-m1s-with-8gbyte-ram/ assuming it's actually reliable and tolerant of crap. I might try getting one of these and putting Ubuntu 22.x LTS on there. That at least implies it will be better supported than my OrangePi3 LTS boards (bringing one tonight!) which has been running Armbian, but which are frankly a crappy choice since I find that Armbian isn't such a great distro. Or more likely the vendor is just shipping meh parts. I've got one board working, and one dead one that won't even power up. Sigh... time to take a look at the board more closely and see if there's anything I can do. but mostly I hate throwing good money after bad. _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HPHI3…

Jan. 14, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by John Stoffel

So for those looking for other SBC options, think one looks tempting: https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-m1s-with-8gbyte-ram/ assuming it's actually reliable and tolerant of crap. I might try getting one of these and putting Ubuntu 22.x LTS on there. That at least implies it will be better supported than my OrangePi3 LTS boards (bringing one tonight!) which has been running Armbian, but which are frankly a crappy choice since I find that Armbian isn't such a great distro. Or more likely the vendor is just shipping meh parts. I've got one board working, and one dead one that won't even power up. Sigh... time to take a look at the board more closely and see if there's anything I can do. but mostly I hate throwing good money after bad.

Jan. 11, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Tim, My email to you was not to belittle your efforts in any way, but just to put more illumination on the thermal processes. Putting an RPi, even with a fan, in a hot closet may not solve the problem. >I've used lots of pi's and I've had them throttle because of thermal issues. Both the Pis and Linux have had a lot of improvement over the years to handle thermal issues. For example, when you only have one core, turning off that core to let the SoC cool down has some issues. :-) Most SoCs also have some thermal issues because the CPU and the GPU tend to be on the same SoC and therefore generate heat between the two. In a server system that has reduced or no graphics needs the heat sink can carry a lot more of the CPU's heat to the outside air. If you are considering doing AI work, rather than trying to use the GPU for that you could consider an accelerator (like we have discussed before) to spread that to another board. >plus that's not good for an SOC in any case A lot of this depends on the engineering of the SOC. There are a lot of issues other than just thermal that limit CPU clock speed and therefore limit the heat generated by the CPU. I cannot imagine a CPU that was not designed to run at maximum clock speed for all the cores from a thermal perspective, and of course turning it off makes it cool down again. If you tried to go into overclocking, you might have issues there, but then you have other issues too. From what I have read the RPi definitely has some applications as a "desktop replacement", particularly in some of the areas where I operate. Solar panels and batteries could easily supply the power for running an RPi 5 with a reasonably sized LCD panel, important in various areas of the Amazon. In Uruguay there was one remote village where the five "One Laptop Per Child" (OLPC) units produced the only electric light at night, charged by solar panels in the day. My Lenovo W510 laptop (with a 130 Watt power supply) would have drained their batteries in an hour at most. Another thing to consider is using the RPi as a "thin client", with the main computation is done remotely in "the cloud" and the Rpi is just used for graphical rendering and almost real-time capture of data for deep processing remotely. Have a good time with your experiments. Most importantly, have fun. md On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 12:56 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I guess I should have been a bit clearer. I've used lots of pi's and I've > had them throttle because of thermal issues. I figure if I want to use this > pi5 as a desktop on my home desktop, I can't have it constantly doing the > heat up / cool down game.. plus that's not good for an SOC in any case. > It's yet to be seen if that little fan is going to be obnoxious.. > > I realize that this isn't a gaming machine. What I really want is a super > low power desktop I can tape to the back of my monitor and use to surf the > web, write crappy scifi and maybe watch a video. > As a stretch goal if it's capable of letting me use OnShape, I'll be > doubly surprised, but I suspect that's a cpu bridge too far.. Though I've > managed to use OnShape on my phone.. so who knows.. > > > On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 12:26 PM Jon "maddog" Hall < > jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> "since it appears trying to actually do anything with it will kill it in >> any real sense." >> >> That depends on the processor, existence or size of heat sink, heat >> transfer connectivity between SoC and heat sink, ambient temperature and OS >> settings. >> >> Most modern SoCs have a temperature setting inside that the OS can read. >> If the processor gets too hot the CPU can throttle back the clock and >> reduce the heat produced. It could also schedule fewer or less powerful >> cores. Of course this slows down your computer. >> >> The other main consideration is ambient temperature. If the air around >> the system is really warm the heat sink can only exchange so much heat. >> The fan helps with this, but in the end you might still have the CPU >> throttled. >> >> This explains why some over locked machines used by gamers even use >> liquid cooling to carry off the heat from the circuitry. >> >> I have not looked into the RPi 5 enough to know the extent of the thermal >> protection it enjoys, but I would not discourage you from buying the fan to >> get maximum performance on benchmarks. >> >> There was a good "Toms Hardware" video on this with regards to the RPi 5 >> when it first came out. >> >> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024, 12:12 Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I did get my pi5 in the mail! I went off and printed a case for it! I'm >>> going to head over to Microcenter (possibly for lunch!) and buy a cooler >>> for it since it appears trying to actually do anything with it will kill it >>> in any real sense. >>> >>> Tim. >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 11:54 AM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Here's an interesting article on using the Pi5 as a daily desktop. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/01/what-i-learned-from-using-a-raspber… >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> constituents as "consumers". >>> >> > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". >

Jan. 9, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by Tim Keller

I guess I should have been a bit clearer. I've used lots of pi's and I've had them throttle because of thermal issues. I figure if I want to use this pi5 as a desktop on my home desktop, I can't have it constantly doing the heat up / cool down game.. plus that's not good for an SOC in any case. It's yet to be seen if that little fan is going to be obnoxious.. I realize that this isn't a gaming machine. What I really want is a super low power desktop I can tape to the back of my monitor and use to surf the web, write crappy scifi and maybe watch a video. As a stretch goal if it's capable of letting me use OnShape, I'll be doubly surprised, but I suspect that's a cpu bridge too far.. Though I've managed to use OnShape on my phone.. so who knows.. On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 12:26 PM Jon "maddog" Hall <jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "since it appears trying to actually do anything with it will kill it in > any real sense." > > That depends on the processor, existence or size of heat sink, heat > transfer connectivity between SoC and heat sink, ambient temperature and OS > settings. > > Most modern SoCs have a temperature setting inside that the OS can read. > If the processor gets too hot the CPU can throttle back the clock and > reduce the heat produced. It could also schedule fewer or less powerful > cores. Of course this slows down your computer. > > The other main consideration is ambient temperature. If the air around > the system is really warm the heat sink can only exchange so much heat. > The fan helps with this, but in the end you might still have the CPU > throttled. > > This explains why some over locked machines used by gamers even use liquid > cooling to carry off the heat from the circuitry. > > I have not looked into the RPi 5 enough to know the extent of the thermal > protection it enjoys, but I would not discourage you from buying the fan to > get maximum performance on benchmarks. > > There was a good "Toms Hardware" video on this with regards to the RPi 5 > when it first came out. > > On Tue, Jan 9, 2024, 12:12 Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I did get my pi5 in the mail! I went off and printed a case for it! I'm >> going to head over to Microcenter (possibly for lunch!) and buy a cooler >> for it since it appears trying to actually do anything with it will kill it >> in any real sense. >> >> Tim. >> >> On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 11:54 AM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >> >>> >>> Here's an interesting article on using the Pi5 as a daily desktop. >>> >>> >>> >>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/01/what-i-learned-from-using-a-raspber… >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 9, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by Jon "maddog" Hall

"since it appears trying to actually do anything with it will kill it in any real sense." That depends on the processor, existence or size of heat sink, heat transfer connectivity between SoC and heat sink, ambient temperature and OS settings. Most modern SoCs have a temperature setting inside that the OS can read. If the processor gets too hot the CPU can throttle back the clock and reduce the heat produced. It could also schedule fewer or less powerful cores. Of course this slows down your computer. The other main consideration is ambient temperature. If the air around the system is really warm the heat sink can only exchange so much heat. The fan helps with this, but in the end you might still have the CPU throttled. This explains why some over locked machines used by gamers even use liquid cooling to carry off the heat from the circuitry. I have not looked into the RPi 5 enough to know the extent of the thermal protection it enjoys, but I would not discourage you from buying the fan to get maximum performance on benchmarks. There was a good "Toms Hardware" video on this with regards to the RPi 5 when it first came out. On Tue, Jan 9, 2024, 12:12 Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I did get my pi5 in the mail! I went off and printed a case for it! I'm > going to head over to Microcenter (possibly for lunch!) and buy a cooler > for it since it appears trying to actually do anything with it will kill it > in any real sense. > > Tim. > > On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 11:54 AM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >> >> Here's an interesting article on using the Pi5 as a daily desktop. >> >> >> >> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/01/what-i-learned-from-using-a-raspber… >> >> >> > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". >

Jan. 9, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by Tim Keller

I did get my pi5 in the mail! I went off and printed a case for it! I'm going to head over to Microcenter (possibly for lunch!) and buy a cooler for it since it appears trying to actually do anything with it will kill it in any real sense. Tim. On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 11:54 AM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Here's an interesting article on using the Pi5 as a daily desktop. > > > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/01/what-i-learned-from-using-a-raspber… > > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 9, 2024

Reminder!! Meeting January 11th at 7pm Topic: Pi5! Location: Technocopia

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting at Technocopia on January 11th 2024 at 7PM! The topic is going to be the pi5! I've gotten my hands on one and I'm going to do a show and tell. I've also got an 8GB pi4 as well so it'll be good to do a bit of a side by side as well. Time: 7PM Date: January 11th 2024 Physical Location: 44 Portland St. 6th Floor Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA As usual we'll grab some dinner after the meeting and keep up the conversation. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 9, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by John Stoffel

Here's an interesting article on using the Pi5 as a daily desktop. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/01/what-i-learned-from-using-a-raspber…

Jan. 8, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Ahhhh, through the magic of the Internet the estimate of delivery that WAS Saturday before 2100 EST has now changed to Monday. (sigh) md On Sat, Jan 6, 2024 at 8:25 PM Jon "maddog" Hall <jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I am hoping that mine arrives tomorrow, but I may have to dig it out of > the snow. > > md > > On Sat, Jan 6, 2024 at 8:11 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I *actually* got a Pi5 in the mail today! Well.. I needed something to >> play with during the storm!! >> >> Tim. >> >> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 10:22 AM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >> >>> >>> > You did not say what version of the RPi you had in the closet, but >>> > many of the early ones had an ambient operating temperature of 40 >>> > degrees C (104 F), which is really not that hot. As you probably >>> > know, beginning with the RPi 4th they started talking about needing >>> > fans as well as heat sinks. If you were doing any heavy work on >>> > the Pi and did not have it set up to throttle back if it got too >>> > warm, it could have easily fried itself. >>> >>> Yeah, I forget exactly which version I had, probably a 1gb v2 or v3. >>> I've had several die on me for various reasons. Mostly I think it was >>> the power regulator chip being a bit intolerant. >>> >>> But I've also lost a BeagleBone Black (nice SBC in general) but have a >>> Model 3 B (made by Sony) running in my garage doing PiAware data >>> collection, and it gets hot in the summer there. >>> >>> So I really think it was a power blip which killed my unit. >>> >>> > For what it is worth, here are some notes on the RPi 5 cooling. >>> > Note that not of it talks about real operating temperatures, just >>> > when the fans turn on and by how much. What if the surrounding >>> > temperature is very hot and the heat sing and fan can not cool the >>> > SoC enough? >>> >>> > >>> https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/raspberry-pi-5.html#coo… >>> >>> > Some manufacturers of SBCs offer an industrial or even a military >>> > version of their boards which can have higher ambient temperatures? >>> >>> I think I really need one with cleaner/better power conditioning. >>> >>> > On the project I am working on in Brazil we test the units to work >>> > with just a heat sink, not a fan, of 70 degrees C (158 F) >>> >>> > On another note, the first RPis also did not do very good with ESD >>> > (Electrostatic Discharge). We had 12 Rpis die in the lab while we >>> > were working with them, versus none of our boards where we had put >>> > in some ESD protection. >>> >>> Yup, this is what I think killed my units. >>> >>> > Finally, many of the first RPis did NOT have very good power >>> > management. Depending on how much current was pulled off the >>> > peripherals the CPU could just be starved or too much power pulled >>> > through the board. >>> >>> I'm not doing anything in my remote site units, they're jsut linux >>> nodes I can login to and then run commands on to diagnose network >>> issues. >>> >>> Starting to think about getting an old PCEnginge's board and using >>> that. They're really solid, low power and last forever. I've got two >>> of them here at home, one running my firewall, the other running >>> TP-Link Omada software for my TP-LINK WAPs and Switches unified >>> management. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > You may know or have thought about all of these things. >>> >>> > md >>> >>> > On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 7:00 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>> >>> >> So after buying a 4gb model.. Logan found that Adafruit is selling >>> >> the 8GB version for the same price.. so I'm getting the 8GB version. >>> >>> > Tempting for sure, but then I need to add a case, power supply, >>> etc. >>> >>> > Now for my rant, I've got a pair of OrangePi 3LTS boards and I'm >>> > disappointed in them honestly. They work well, but one of them >>> (the >>> > one I put remote to me) just up and died. It doesn't power up and >>> god >>> > knows what happened. It was in a building where nothing else >>> died, so >>> > I don't think it was lightning or anything like that. Maybe just a >>> > crappy USB-C powersupply? Bad batch of boards? >>> >>> > Dunno... just a bit annoyed, especially since the other one I kept >>> at >>> > home for testing of upgrades before I pushed them to the remote one >>> > just keeps on working. >>> >>> > So I'm really thinking I should just pick up a cheap old SFF PC and >>> > put linux on it and just leave that at the remote site where it >>> > *might* be more durable to whatever is killing my SBCs I deply >>> there. >>> >>> > Oh yeah, I had a raspberryPi in the same location and it too died. >>> > Maybe it's just too damn warm in that network closet. But there's >>> > really only just a couple of switches and a wireless AP in there, >>> not >>> > much else in terms of power. >>> >>> > Gah! >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> > Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> > Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MYLSA… >>> >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> >

Jan. 7, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by Jon "maddog" Hall

I am hoping that mine arrives tomorrow, but I may have to dig it out of the snow. md On Sat, Jan 6, 2024 at 8:11 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I *actually* got a Pi5 in the mail today! Well.. I needed something to > play with during the storm!! > > Tim. > > On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 10:22 AM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >> >> > You did not say what version of the RPi you had in the closet, but >> > many of the early ones had an ambient operating temperature of 40 >> > degrees C (104 F), which is really not that hot. As you probably >> > know, beginning with the RPi 4th they started talking about needing >> > fans as well as heat sinks. If you were doing any heavy work on >> > the Pi and did not have it set up to throttle back if it got too >> > warm, it could have easily fried itself. >> >> Yeah, I forget exactly which version I had, probably a 1gb v2 or v3. >> I've had several die on me for various reasons. Mostly I think it was >> the power regulator chip being a bit intolerant. >> >> But I've also lost a BeagleBone Black (nice SBC in general) but have a >> Model 3 B (made by Sony) running in my garage doing PiAware data >> collection, and it gets hot in the summer there. >> >> So I really think it was a power blip which killed my unit. >> >> > For what it is worth, here are some notes on the RPi 5 cooling. >> > Note that not of it talks about real operating temperatures, just >> > when the fans turn on and by how much. What if the surrounding >> > temperature is very hot and the heat sing and fan can not cool the >> > SoC enough? >> >> > >> https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/raspberry-pi-5.html#coo… >> >> > Some manufacturers of SBCs offer an industrial or even a military >> > version of their boards which can have higher ambient temperatures? >> >> I think I really need one with cleaner/better power conditioning. >> >> > On the project I am working on in Brazil we test the units to work >> > with just a heat sink, not a fan, of 70 degrees C (158 F) >> >> > On another note, the first RPis also did not do very good with ESD >> > (Electrostatic Discharge). We had 12 Rpis die in the lab while we >> > were working with them, versus none of our boards where we had put >> > in some ESD protection. >> >> Yup, this is what I think killed my units. >> >> > Finally, many of the first RPis did NOT have very good power >> > management. Depending on how much current was pulled off the >> > peripherals the CPU could just be starved or too much power pulled >> > through the board. >> >> I'm not doing anything in my remote site units, they're jsut linux >> nodes I can login to and then run commands on to diagnose network >> issues. >> >> Starting to think about getting an old PCEnginge's board and using >> that. They're really solid, low power and last forever. I've got two >> of them here at home, one running my firewall, the other running >> TP-Link Omada software for my TP-LINK WAPs and Switches unified >> management. >> >> >> >> >> > You may know or have thought about all of these things. >> >> > md >> >> > On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 7:00 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >> >> >>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >> >> So after buying a 4gb model.. Logan found that Adafruit is selling >> >> the 8GB version for the same price.. so I'm getting the 8GB version. >> >> > Tempting for sure, but then I need to add a case, power supply, >> etc. >> >> > Now for my rant, I've got a pair of OrangePi 3LTS boards and I'm >> > disappointed in them honestly. They work well, but one of them (the >> > one I put remote to me) just up and died. It doesn't power up and >> god >> > knows what happened. It was in a building where nothing else died, >> so >> > I don't think it was lightning or anything like that. Maybe just a >> > crappy USB-C powersupply? Bad batch of boards? >> >> > Dunno... just a bit annoyed, especially since the other one I kept >> at >> > home for testing of upgrades before I pushed them to the remote one >> > just keeps on working. >> >> > So I'm really thinking I should just pick up a cheap old SFF PC and >> > put linux on it and just leave that at the remote site where it >> > *might* be more durable to whatever is killing my SBCs I deply >> there. >> >> > Oh yeah, I had a raspberryPi in the same location and it too died. >> > Maybe it's just too damn warm in that network closet. But there's >> > really only just a couple of switches and a wireless AP in there, >> not >> > much else in terms of power. >> >> > Gah! >> > _______________________________________________ >> > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> > Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> > Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MYLSA… >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". >

Jan. 7, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by Tim Keller

I *actually* got a Pi5 in the mail today! Well.. I needed something to play with during the storm!! Tim. On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 10:22 AM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > > You did not say what version of the RPi you had in the closet, but > > many of the early ones had an ambient operating temperature of 40 > > degrees C (104 F), which is really not that hot. As you probably > > know, beginning with the RPi 4th they started talking about needing > > fans as well as heat sinks. If you were doing any heavy work on > > the Pi and did not have it set up to throttle back if it got too > > warm, it could have easily fried itself. > > Yeah, I forget exactly which version I had, probably a 1gb v2 or v3. > I've had several die on me for various reasons. Mostly I think it was > the power regulator chip being a bit intolerant. > > But I've also lost a BeagleBone Black (nice SBC in general) but have a > Model 3 B (made by Sony) running in my garage doing PiAware data > collection, and it gets hot in the summer there. > > So I really think it was a power blip which killed my unit. > > > For what it is worth, here are some notes on the RPi 5 cooling. > > Note that not of it talks about real operating temperatures, just > > when the fans turn on and by how much. What if the surrounding > > temperature is very hot and the heat sing and fan can not cool the > > SoC enough? > > > > https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/raspberry-pi-5.html#coo… > > > Some manufacturers of SBCs offer an industrial or even a military > > version of their boards which can have higher ambient temperatures? > > I think I really need one with cleaner/better power conditioning. > > > On the project I am working on in Brazil we test the units to work > > with just a heat sink, not a fan, of 70 degrees C (158 F) > > > On another note, the first RPis also did not do very good with ESD > > (Electrostatic Discharge). We had 12 Rpis die in the lab while we > > were working with them, versus none of our boards where we had put > > in some ESD protection. > > Yup, this is what I think killed my units. > > > Finally, many of the first RPis did NOT have very good power > > management. Depending on how much current was pulled off the > > peripherals the CPU could just be starved or too much power pulled > > through the board. > > I'm not doing anything in my remote site units, they're jsut linux > nodes I can login to and then run commands on to diagnose network > issues. > > Starting to think about getting an old PCEnginge's board and using > that. They're really solid, low power and last forever. I've got two > of them here at home, one running my firewall, the other running > TP-Link Omada software for my TP-LINK WAPs and Switches unified > management. > > > > > > You may know or have thought about all of these things. > > > md > > > On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 7:00 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > >>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > >> So after buying a 4gb model.. Logan found that Adafruit is selling > >> the 8GB version for the same price.. so I'm getting the 8GB version. > > > Tempting for sure, but then I need to add a case, power supply, etc. > > > Now for my rant, I've got a pair of OrangePi 3LTS boards and I'm > > disappointed in them honestly. They work well, but one of them (the > > one I put remote to me) just up and died. It doesn't power up and > god > > knows what happened. It was in a building where nothing else died, > so > > I don't think it was lightning or anything like that. Maybe just a > > crappy USB-C powersupply? Bad batch of boards? > > > Dunno... just a bit annoyed, especially since the other one I kept at > > home for testing of upgrades before I pushed them to the remote one > > just keeps on working. > > > So I'm really thinking I should just pick up a cheap old SFF PC and > > put linux on it and just leave that at the remote site where it > > *might* be more durable to whatever is killing my SBCs I deply there. > > > Oh yeah, I had a raspberryPi in the same location and it too died. > > Maybe it's just too damn warm in that network closet. But there's > > really only just a couple of switches and a wireless AP in there, not > > much else in terms of power. > > > Gah! > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MYLSA… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 7, 2024

Re: Thanks for an amazing 2023, more fun to be had in 2024!

by hammerron

Hi John. Speaking for myself. Life has gotten in the way from me attending. I do intend to get back to meetings, though it may take me another month or two. As far as meeting content, just my opinion mind you, I think a good mix is helpful. It's a plus to have a talk or demo planned and announced a bit in advance when possible. "Low level" talks in my eyes are good too. I think a broad spectrum goes a long way, meaning over the course of several meets. A good mix might be a good draw for new members, as low level talks will be easier for novices and the other talks can help show what is out there beyond what they may have already learned. Regards, Ron On 1/5/24 14:18, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> Hey Everybody, >> Happy New Year! > Happy New Year! > >> Thanks for sticking with WLUG! It's been a year of change and >> challenges. We found ourselves a new home at Technocopia and make >> some new friends along the way. This is going to be another amazing >> year of talks and demos, lively conversations and general geeking >> out on all things. >> I look forward to many more WLUG meetings to come. > I wonder what Tim and the rest of us can do to improve membership and > more importantly attendance at Technocopia? Is it too far for people > to drive? A bad day of the month? A bad time frame? A bad location? > > We've been trying to keep the remote jitsi stuff working, but > technocopia is a bit louder where we sit and meet, and a bit harder to > get good sound both ways. > > I'm hopeful that we can get more people in person, assuming we know > what people want? > > I personally need to come up with an update for my talk on KiCad, > updated for version 7. Could anyone do a talk on scribus? Or > inkscape? Or do people want more low level linux talks? > > What do we offer as a group that keeps bringing you back? Or not? > Does there need to be more of an agenda? > > Please give your feedback! > John > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TR74M…

Jan. 6, 2024

Re: Thanks for an amazing 2023, more fun to be had in 2024!

by Kevin Harrington

Yall are welcome to come in Saturdays 1-4, since i am there for Robot Club. Thoughts? On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 2:48 PM Gregory Boyce via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 2:20 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >> >> > Thanks for sticking with WLUG! It's been a year of change and >> > challenges. We found ourselves a new home at Technocopia and make >> > some new friends along the way. This is going to be another amazing >> > year of talks and demos, lively conversations and general geeking >> > out on all things. >> >> > I look forward to many more WLUG meetings to come. >> >> I wonder what Tim and the rest of us can do to improve membership and >> more importantly attendance at Technocopia? Is it too far for people >> to drive? A bad day of the month? A bad time frame? A bad location? > > > For me, Thursdays are just tough. I'm divorced, and I spent Thursday evenings with my kids. The same is true for Tuesdays. > > If there was ever an interest in a weekend meetup, that could work better for me. I also have access to space at WorcShop in Leicester, if room for an event was needed. > > -- > Greg > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/E6IJ4…

Jan. 5, 2024

Re: Thanks for an amazing 2023, more fun to be had in 2024!

by Gregory Boyce

On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 2:20 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > > Thanks for sticking with WLUG! It's been a year of change and > > challenges. We found ourselves a new home at Technocopia and make > > some new friends along the way. This is going to be another amazing > > year of talks and demos, lively conversations and general geeking > > out on all things. > > > I look forward to many more WLUG meetings to come. > > I wonder what Tim and the rest of us can do to improve membership and > more importantly attendance at Technocopia? Is it too far for people > to drive? A bad day of the month? A bad time frame? A bad location? > For me, Thursdays are just tough. I'm divorced, and I spent Thursday evenings with my kids. The same is true for Tuesdays. If there was ever an interest in a weekend meetup, that could work better for me. I also have access to space at WorcShop in Leicester, if room for an event was needed. -- Greg

Jan. 5, 2024

Re: Thanks for an amazing 2023, more fun to be had in 2024!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Hey Everybody, > Happy New Year! Happy New Year! > Thanks for sticking with WLUG! It's been a year of change and > challenges. We found ourselves a new home at Technocopia and make > some new friends along the way. This is going to be another amazing > year of talks and demos, lively conversations and general geeking > out on all things. > I look forward to many more WLUG meetings to come. I wonder what Tim and the rest of us can do to improve membership and more importantly attendance at Technocopia? Is it too far for people to drive? A bad day of the month? A bad time frame? A bad location? We've been trying to keep the remote jitsi stuff working, but technocopia is a bit louder where we sit and meet, and a bit harder to get good sound both ways. I'm hopeful that we can get more people in person, assuming we know what people want? I personally need to come up with an update for my talk on KiCad, updated for version 7. Could anyone do a talk on scribus? Or inkscape? Or do people want more low level linux talks? What do we offer as a group that keeps bringing you back? Or not? Does there need to be more of an agenda? Please give your feedback! John

Jan. 5, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by John Stoffel

> You did not say what version of the RPi you had in the closet, but > many of the early ones had an ambient operating temperature of 40 > degrees C (104 F), which is really not that hot. As you probably > know, beginning with the RPi 4th they started talking about needing > fans as well as heat sinks. If you were doing any heavy work on > the Pi and did not have it set up to throttle back if it got too > warm, it could have easily fried itself. Yeah, I forget exactly which version I had, probably a 1gb v2 or v3. I've had several die on me for various reasons. Mostly I think it was the power regulator chip being a bit intolerant. But I've also lost a BeagleBone Black (nice SBC in general) but have a Model 3 B (made by Sony) running in my garage doing PiAware data collection, and it gets hot in the summer there. So I really think it was a power blip which killed my unit. > For what it is worth, here are some notes on the RPi 5 cooling. > Note that not of it talks about real operating temperatures, just > when the fans turn on and by how much. What if the surrounding > temperature is very hot and the heat sing and fan can not cool the > SoC enough? > https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/raspberry-pi-5.html#coo… > Some manufacturers of SBCs offer an industrial or even a military > version of their boards which can have higher ambient temperatures? I think I really need one with cleaner/better power conditioning. > On the project I am working on in Brazil we test the units to work > with just a heat sink, not a fan, of 70 degrees C (158 F) > On another note, the first RPis also did not do very good with ESD > (Electrostatic Discharge). We had 12 Rpis die in the lab while we > were working with them, versus none of our boards where we had put > in some ESD protection. Yup, this is what I think killed my units. > Finally, many of the first RPis did NOT have very good power > management. Depending on how much current was pulled off the > peripherals the CPU could just be starved or too much power pulled > through the board. I'm not doing anything in my remote site units, they're jsut linux nodes I can login to and then run commands on to diagnose network issues. Starting to think about getting an old PCEnginge's board and using that. They're really solid, low power and last forever. I've got two of them here at home, one running my firewall, the other running TP-Link Omada software for my TP-LINK WAPs and Switches unified management. > You may know or have thought about all of these things. > md > On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 7:00 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> So after buying a 4gb model.. Logan found that Adafruit is selling >> the 8GB version for the same price.. so I'm getting the 8GB version. > Tempting for sure, but then I need to add a case, power supply, etc. > Now for my rant, I've got a pair of OrangePi 3LTS boards and I'm > disappointed in them honestly. They work well, but one of them (the > one I put remote to me) just up and died. It doesn't power up and god > knows what happened. It was in a building where nothing else died, so > I don't think it was lightning or anything like that. Maybe just a > crappy USB-C powersupply? Bad batch of boards? > Dunno... just a bit annoyed, especially since the other one I kept at > home for testing of upgrades before I pushed them to the remote one > just keeps on working. > So I'm really thinking I should just pick up a cheap old SFF PC and > put linux on it and just leave that at the remote site where it > *might* be more durable to whatever is killing my SBCs I deply there. > Oh yeah, I had a raspberryPi in the same location and it too died. > Maybe it's just too damn warm in that network closet. But there's > really only just a couple of switches and a wireless AP in there, not > much else in terms of power. > Gah! > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MYLSA…

Jan. 5, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by Jon "maddog" Hall

John, You did not say what version of the RPi you had in the closet, but many of the early ones had an ambient operating temperature of 40 degrees C (104 F), which is really not that hot. As you probably know, beginning with the RPi 4th they started talking about needing fans as well as heat sinks. If you were doing any heavy work on the Pi and did not have it set up to throttle back if it got too warm, it could have easily fried itself. For what it is worth, here are some notes on the RPi 5 cooling. Note that not of it talks about real operating temperatures, just when the fans turn on and by how much. What if the surrounding temperature is very hot and the heat sing and fan can not cool the SoC enough? https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/raspberry-pi-5.html#coo… Some manufacturers of SBCs offer an industrial or even a military version of their boards which can have higher ambient temperatures? On the project I am working on in Brazil we test the units to work with just a heat sink, not a fan, of 70 degrees C (158 F) On another note, the first RPis also did not do very good with ESD (Electrostatic Discharge). We had 12 Rpis die in the lab while we were working with them, versus none of our boards where we had put in some ESD protection. Finally, many of the first RPis did NOT have very good power management. Depending on how much current was pulled off the peripherals the CPU could just be starved or too much power pulled through the board. You may know or have thought about all of these things. md On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 7:00 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > So after buying a 4gb model.. Logan found that Adafruit is selling > > the 8GB version for the same price.. so I'm getting the 8GB version. > > Tempting for sure, but then I need to add a case, power supply, etc. > > > Now for my rant, I've got a pair of OrangePi 3LTS boards and I'm > disappointed in them honestly. They work well, but one of them (the > one I put remote to me) just up and died. It doesn't power up and god > knows what happened. It was in a building where nothing else died, so > I don't think it was lightning or anything like that. Maybe just a > crappy USB-C powersupply? Bad batch of boards? > > Dunno... just a bit annoyed, especially since the other one I kept at > home for testing of upgrades before I pushed them to the remote one > just keeps on working. > > So I'm really thinking I should just pick up a cheap old SFF PC and > put linux on it and just leave that at the remote site where it > *might* be more durable to whatever is killing my SBCs I deply there. > > Oh yeah, I had a raspberryPi in the same location and it too died. > Maybe it's just too damn warm in that network closet. But there's > really only just a couple of switches and a wireless AP in there, not > much else in terms of power. > > Gah! >

Jan. 5, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > So after buying a 4gb model.. Logan found that Adafruit is selling > the 8GB version for the same price.. so I'm getting the 8GB version. Tempting for sure, but then I need to add a case, power supply, etc. Now for my rant, I've got a pair of OrangePi 3LTS boards and I'm disappointed in them honestly. They work well, but one of them (the one I put remote to me) just up and died. It doesn't power up and god knows what happened. It was in a building where nothing else died, so I don't think it was lightning or anything like that. Maybe just a crappy USB-C powersupply? Bad batch of boards? Dunno... just a bit annoyed, especially since the other one I kept at home for testing of upgrades before I pushed them to the remote one just keeps on working. So I'm really thinking I should just pick up a cheap old SFF PC and put linux on it and just leave that at the remote site where it *might* be more durable to whatever is killing my SBCs I deply there. Oh yeah, I had a raspberryPi in the same location and it too died. Maybe it's just too damn warm in that network closet. But there's really only just a couple of switches and a wireless AP in there, not much else in terms of power. Gah!

Jan. 5, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by Tim Keller

So after buying a 4gb model.. Logan found that Adafruit is selling the 8GB version for the same price.. so I'm getting the 8GB version. I hear you with the NVME I/O. NVME is really the only way I fly when it comes to doing stuff that needs I/O. Greg, I'll need to see what an NVME adapter costs. But honestly, to really use a pi as a desktop, you need real storage. Tim. On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 3:16 PM Jon "maddog" Hall <jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Tim, > > Here is a Tom's Hardware report on several "benchmarks" between a 4GB and > 8GB Rpi 5 > > https://www.tomshardware.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-5-4gb-versus-8gb > > Their overall conclusion was that for most uses the RPi 5 with 4GB will be > fine. Probably if you keep 100 tabs open on your browser YMMV. > > I have rendered and received the PCIe daughter card that allows you to > attach a 1TB nVMe M.2 memory card, supposedly with 5000MB/sec read and > write (although I do not expect that I will get that through the PCIe on > the Pi 5. I have to have some time to put everything together, but I > should be doing that in the next couple of weeks. You can probably find > others who have done it already with some decent search queries on the > Internet. Here is one I found from Tom's Hardware: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXWu4SUsaY8 > > I will tell you that when I switched from a SATA 3 SSD to a nVMe M.2 card > on my laptop the change was "breathtaking" on I/O style of loads. I will > never go back. > > md > > On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 1:19 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> They say estimated delivery of Jan 9th - Jan 11th.. So, who knows.. I >> bought the 4GB model, so it should be functional as a desktop, my plan is >> to experiment with it as a daily drivers. >> >> Beyond that, what do people think would be a good benchmark to experiment >> with? >> >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PZXLT… >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 3, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Tim, Here is a Tom's Hardware report on several "benchmarks" between a 4GB and 8GB Rpi 5 https://www.tomshardware.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-5-4gb-versus-8gb Their overall conclusion was that for most uses the RPi 5 with 4GB will be fine. Probably if you keep 100 tabs open on your browser YMMV. I have rendered and received the PCIe daughter card that allows you to attach a 1TB nVMe M.2 memory card, supposedly with 5000MB/sec read and write (although I do not expect that I will get that through the PCIe on the Pi 5. I have to have some time to put everything together, but I should be doing that in the next couple of weeks. You can probably find others who have done it already with some decent search queries on the Internet. Here is one I found from Tom's Hardware: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXWu4SUsaY8 I will tell you that when I switched from a SATA 3 SSD to a nVMe M.2 card on my laptop the change was "breathtaking" on I/O style of loads. I will never go back. md On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 1:19 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > They say estimated delivery of Jan 9th - Jan 11th.. So, who knows.. I > bought the 4GB model, so it should be functional as a desktop, my plan is > to experiment with it as a daily drivers. > > Beyond that, what do people think would be a good benchmark to experiment > with? > > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PZXLT… >

Jan. 3, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by Gregory Boyce

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 1:19 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > They say estimated delivery of Jan 9th - Jan 11th.. So, who knows.. I > bought the 4GB model, so it should be functional as a desktop, my plan is > to experiment with it as a daily drivers. > > Beyond that, what do people think would be a good benchmark to experiment > with? > Are you planning on leveraging the NVMe support? I'm really curious how data performance is. -- Greg > >

Jan. 3, 2024

I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by Tim Keller

They say estimated delivery of Jan 9th - Jan 11th.. So, who knows.. I bought the 4GB model, so it should be functional as a desktop, my plan is to experiment with it as a daily drivers. Beyond that, what do people think would be a good benchmark to experiment with? Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 3, 2024

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Oh god... how did I miss that joke first time around? I must be dumber than usual... I'll try to make the meeting tomorrow, might not depending how crazy life gets with last minute shopping. But for dinner, we should try to goto "Worcester Common Market" I think it's open late enough... maybe? Right on kelly square. > Rim shot.. > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 7:18 AM Dan Davis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I'd ordered "UDP" on a plate from the RMV but I never got it. I tried to complain but I don't > think they care that I didn't get it. > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 5:17 AM Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind > another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." > I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that was > a long time ago. > It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would > probably be on this mailing list. > --MCV. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HRXTY… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AFKJL… > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ENIID…

Jan. 3, 2024

Re: Thanks for an amazing 2023, more fun to be had in 2024!

by Robert Schwein

Thanks Tim Happy New Year! Bob On 12/31/2023 12:37 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > Happy New Year! > > Thanks for sticking with WLUG! It's been a year of change and challenges. > We found ourselves a new home at Technocopia and make some new friends > along the way. > This is going to be another amazing year of talks and demos, lively > conversations and general geeking out on all things. > > I look forward to many more WLUG meetings to come. > > Later, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org…

Jan. 1, 2024

Thanks for an amazing 2023, more fun to be had in 2024!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, Happy New Year! Thanks for sticking with WLUG! It's been a year of change and challenges. We found ourselves a new home at Technocopia and make some new friends along the way. This is going to be another amazing year of talks and demos, lively conversations and general geeking out on all things. I look forward to many more WLUG meetings to come. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 31, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by Tim Keller

DEVNUL is owned by my co-worker. He charges his car next to mine every day! On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 1:30 PM Mike Peckar via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Because I commute to the 128 area, I see plates like these pretty > frequently... > > [image: image.png] > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 10:50 AM Patrick McEvilly via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Saw this at one of Cisco's offices. >> >> >> On 12/19/23, 10:38 AM, "John Stoffel via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>> "Michael" == Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto: >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>> writes: >> >> >> > About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind >> > another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." >> >> >> Nice! I keep thinking of getting a new plate with something snarky >> and fun and geeky... but coming up with something is hard. I had a >> co-worker from NH with the placs 'asics' at one time. >> >> >> > I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that >> > was a long time ago. >> >> >> That would be a good one. >> >> >> > It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would >> > probably be on this mailing list. >> >> >> Heh... you'd think. >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto: >> wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org> >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ < >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/> >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ < >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/> >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org <mailto: >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>/message/KWUOIIHVYJYSYWYWZ5CNWQTQGE4MB5DK/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QOUQ4… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FQH2B… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 20, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by Tim Keller

Rim shot.. On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 7:18 AM Dan Davis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I'd ordered "UDP" on a plate from the RMV but I never got it. I tried to > complain but I don't think they care that I didn't get it. > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 5:17 AM Michael Voorhis via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> >> About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind >> another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." >> >> I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that was >> a long time ago. >> >> It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would >> probably be on this mailing list. >> >> --MCV. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HRXTY… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AFKJL… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 20, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Tim Keller

That is cool that pfSense can do wireguard! On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 7:32 PM Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > What I do is have the wireguard clients be on a different subnet than my > other hosts, all behind the firewall. Then, in pfsense I made wireguard an > interface like any other, and that allows me to make firewall policies, > such as letting wireguard clients only to my DNS servers on port 53, or my > web servers on 443. Also, since each wireguard client has a static IP > reserved, I can make my phone access more than my cloud server, since I > trust the security of my phone a tad more (but only a tad). > > For routing, I have the config for the clients either as 0.0.0.0/0 to > send all traffic over the tunnel, or my private networks only for the split > tunnel, and let the firewall policy handle it from there. > > So, you could certainly make it so that your VPS connects to your > wireguard endpoint, and then send your backup traffic to it's client IP if > you are going outbound to the VPS, and block the VPS from your internal > network, or vice versa just open up the port you need to the host you need > from the VPS to internal. > > Hope this helps > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2023, at 12:42, John Stoffel wrote: > >>>>>> "Althea" == Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > >> I run it on my pfSense firewall, but pivpn is also a great option if > >> you'd rather port forward to a different device. > > > > Do you have it so that if you have multiple internal devices behind > > your firewall, your external client can reach all those devices? > > > > I'ev been playing, but I'm sure I'm mssing something. For example: > > > > Internal network: 192.168.1.0/24 > > host A 192.168.1.10/32 > > host B 192.168.1.20/32 > > > > Firewall: 192.168.1.254 > > WG: 192.168.200.0/24 > > > > Client: 200.150.100.50 (made up) > > > > > > Ideally I'd like my client to be able to access host A or B from the > > road using the WG tunnel. Would I need to assign WG addresses to > > these hosts? Or would I just rounte 192.168.1.0/24 via wg0 on the > > client? > > > > That's the trouble I'm having. > > > > I also want to setup a Wireguard tunnel between home and my VPS in the > > cloud to make backups easier and simple. I could just do an SSH > > tunnel, but I'd prefer not since it's a pain for this one application > > to setup. > > > > So my VPS has both it's public IP, and then I have a WireGuard IP and > > route setup so that I can reach into the home network. And possibly > > also allow connections to the VPS from other clients as well. Very > > mesh like. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > >> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, at 16:30, John Stoffel wrote: > >>>>>>>> "Althea" == Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >>> > >>> I've been busy, so I'm coming back to this late... > >>> > >>>> I use a wireguard VPN on my phone anytime I leave my house, mainly > >>>> for ad blocking. I run pi-hole at home to block ads network wide, > >>>> and when I leave wifi, my phone automatically joins the VPN at home > >>>> and uses the same pi-hole servers for DNS. Internet traffic is still > >>>> directly through my carrier (so split tunnel) but my DNS is hidden > >>>> from them and ad free! > >>> > >>> Do you run wireguard on your firewall or do you pass it inside into a > >>> base host? > >>> > >>>> -thea > >>> > >>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2023, at 03:54, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: > >>> > >>>>> However, they still rely on the trust in the ownership/VPN service > country's laws and > >>>> policies. > >>>>> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. > >>>> This is why everyone should train their mother to offer a secure > ISP/VPN service. > >>>> "Mom's VPN: Do you trust your Mom?" > >>>> md > >>> > >>>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 11:44 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>> > >>>> VPN services are a good tool for privacy. However, they they still > rely > >>>> on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and > policies. > >>>> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. > >>> > >>>> On 12/8/2023 3:13 AM, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience > >>>>> when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, > >>>>> the rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve > >>>>> that car than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there > is > >>>>> a difference between a poor native and a rich American. > >>>>> > >>>>> Bob > >>>>> > >>>>> On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: > >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Doug Mildram via WLUG > wrote: > >>>>>> So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're > selling, > >>>>>> but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone. > (educate > >>>>>> me!) > >>>>>> Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win. > >>>>>> Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this > month, > >>>>>> so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug > >>>>>> Yes. Those "modern" VPNs are used for many reasons. Here are a > couple: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - To appear to servers/services that you are physically located in a > >>>>>> different geographical area. This can help you bypass > >>>>>> geographically restricted content, such as watching sports programs > >>>>>> that content owners don't want you to see based on where you live > >>>>>> (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you > >>>>>> a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you > >>>>>> if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute > >>>>>> accomodations while you are away on vacation. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - To hide your real IP address from servers and/or hide your > browsing > >>>>>> from intermediaries (your ISP for example) for privacy. This could > >>>>>> be so you can avoid being tracked and having your browsing habits > >>>>>> sold to advertisers (something your ISP can easily do--SSL does not > >>>>>> hide DNS queries although that is changing with the availability of > >>>>>> DNS-over-HTTPS and similar), to hide from authorities/copyright > >>>>>> enforcers, or for life-and-death reasons (hide from unfriendly > >>>>>> governments.) > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>>>> Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >>>>>> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >>>>>> Web Forum/Archive: > >>>> > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZC4W3… > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >>>>> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >>>>> Web Forum/Archive: > >>>> > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TI4DE… > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >>>> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >>>> Web Forum/Archive: > >>>> > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2OD7Q… > >>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >>>> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >>>> Web Forum/Archive: > >>>> > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/E6KIC… > >>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >>>> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >>>> Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/532CN… > >> _______________________________________________ > >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >> Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NK7RY… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7MG6I… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 20, 2023

Reminder!!! WLUG Meeting Tomorrow at Technocopia!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a WLUG Meeting tomorrow at Technocopia! Time: 7PM Location: Technocopia 44 Portland st. 6th floor Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Possibly free VPNs and other solutions! Hey everybody! I thought we'd talk about VPNs that are available for various linux distributions. I'd love to hear what people are using and what's available! I've been looking at Proton: https://protonvpn.com/support/official-ubuntu-vpn-setup/ It's been a great year for linux and WLUG. Thanks for everybody who's been showing up in person and virtually! I'll bring refreshments and snacks and we can talk about what we'd like to do for 2024! Afterwards we'll head out for some dinner! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 20, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > On 12/19/23 12:47, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >> DEBIAN and BKWRM (Debian 12) seem to be available... :-) > Might they look askance at you if you requested "Trixie" ? I'd look askance at that one! LOL! > How much does a Massachusetts vanity plate cost, anyway? Back in VT > they used to be free, and everyone had 'em. It was cool to see cars > with the initials of friends & family. I think they ended the > policy though. I think they're $50, plus $20 to swap registrations. Six letters max, leading with two letters, no mixing of numbers between letters. Which is kinda wierd. And they make you ask for your three choices and give you just one of them. It's kinda strange. https://www.mass.gov/how-to/request-a-vanity-license-plate And the rules they have on "offensive" words seems ripe for a lawsuit. 1st amendment and all.

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by Michael Voorhis

On 12/19/23 12:47, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > DEBIAN and BKWRM (Debian 12) seem to be available... :-) Might they look askance at you if you requested "Trixie" ? How much does a Massachusetts vanity plate cost, anyway? Back in VT they used to be free, and everyone had 'em. It was cool to see cars with the initials of friends & family. I think they ended the policy though. --MCV.

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by Mike Peckar

Because I commute to the 128 area, I see plates like these pretty frequently... [image: image.png] On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 10:50 AM Patrick McEvilly via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Saw this at one of Cisco's offices. > > > On 12/19/23, 10:38 AM, "John Stoffel via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: > > > >>>>> "Michael" == Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto: > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>> writes: > > > > About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind > > another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." > > > Nice! I keep thinking of getting a new plate with something snarky > and fun and geeky... but coming up with something is hard. I had a > co-worker from NH with the placs 'asics' at one time. > > > > I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that > > was a long time ago. > > > That would be a good one. > > > > It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would > > probably be on this mailing list. > > > Heh... you'd think. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto: > wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ < > https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/> > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ < > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/> > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org <mailto: > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>/message/KWUOIIHVYJYSYWYWZ5CNWQTQGE4MB5DK/ > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QOUQ4… >

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "David" == David Glaser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Hmm, How about JRST or JFFO - name the architecture. LINUX is used, but DEBIAN and BKWRM (Debian 12) seem to be available... :-)

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > The RFC pseudo standards come to mind. I have seen /dev/null plates > for more than one state. I don't think /dev/zero or /dev/random > would be too useful for this (depending on what you what to say) > Is there a "preferred" app for hevc video format files? vlc? :-) > On 12/19/2023 10:50 AM, Patrick McEvilly via WLUG wrote: >> Saw this at one of Cisco's offices. >> >> >> On 12/19/23, 10:38 AM, "John Stoffel via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> writes: >> >>> About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind >>> another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." >> >> Nice! I keep thinking of getting a new plate with something snarky >> and fun and geeky... but coming up with something is hard. I had a >> co-worker from NH with the placs 'asics' at one time. >> >> >>> I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that >>> was a long time ago. >> >> That would be a good one. >> >> >>> It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would >>> probably be on this mailing list. >> >> Heh... you'd think. >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ <https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/> >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ <https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/> >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>/message/KWUOIIHVYJYSYWYWZ5CNWQTQGE4MB5DK/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QOUQ4… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LJDRG…

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by David Glaser

Hmm, How about JRST or JFFO - name the architecture. On 12/19/2023 10:35 AM, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind >> another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." > Nice! I keep thinking of getting a new plate with something snarky > and fun and geeky... but coming up with something is hard. I had a > co-worker from NH with the placs 'asics' at one time. > >> I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that >> was a long time ago. > That would be a good one. > >> It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would >> probably be on this mailing list. > Heh... you'd think. > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by Kevin Stratton

The RFC pseudo standards come to mind. I have seen /dev/null plates for more than one state. I don't think /dev/zero or /dev/random would be too useful for this (depending on what you what to say) Is there a "preferred" app for hevc video format files? On 12/19/2023 10:50 AM, Patrick McEvilly via WLUG wrote: > Saw this at one of Cisco's offices. > > > On 12/19/23, 10:38 AM, "John Stoffel via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: > > >>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> writes: > >> About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind >> another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." > > Nice! I keep thinking of getting a new plate with something snarky > and fun and geeky... but coming up with something is hard. I had a > co-worker from NH with the placs 'asics' at one time. > > >> I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that >> was a long time ago. > > That would be a good one. > > >> It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would >> probably be on this mailing list. > > Heh... you'd think. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ <https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/> > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ <https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/> > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>/message/KWUOIIHVYJYSYWYWZ5CNWQTQGE4MB5DK/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QOUQ4…

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by Patrick McEvilly

Saw this at one of Cisco's offices. On 12/19/23, 10:38 AM, "John Stoffel via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: >>>>> "Michael" == Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> writes: > About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind > another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." Nice! I keep thinking of getting a new plate with something snarky and fun and geeky... but coming up with something is hard. I had a co-worker from NH with the placs 'asics' at one time. > I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that > was a long time ago. That would be a good one. > It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would > probably be on this mailing list. Heh... you'd think. _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ <https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ <https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>/message/KWUOIIHVYJYSYWYWZ5CNWQTQGE4MB5DK/

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Davis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I'd ordered "UDP" on a plate from the RMV but I never got it. I > tried to complain but I don't think they care that I didn't get it. It took me two tries to order just a replacement plate from the RMV, and it wasn't until I kept failing inspectiong that I pushed it through. I think the RMV had a major system change about 18 months ago and it really screwed with things for a while. Try it again and let us know how it goes! Maybe I'd get 'TCP'

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind > another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." Nice! I keep thinking of getting a new plate with something snarky and fun and geeky... but coming up with something is hard. I had a co-worker from NH with the placs 'asics' at one time. > I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that > was a long time ago. That would be a good one. > It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would > probably be on this mailing list. Heh... you'd think.

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by Dan Davis

I'd ordered "UDP" on a plate from the RMV but I never got it. I tried to complain but I don't think they care that I didn't get it. On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 5:17 AM Michael Voorhis via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind > another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." > > I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that was > a long time ago. > > It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would > probably be on this mailing list. > > --MCV. > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HRXTY… >

Dec. 19, 2023

Disallow root login via SSHD

by Michael Voorhis

On 12/18/23 21:53, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > Does anyone know a quick and easy way to [disallow root login via > SSHD]? I don't think root lockout is enabled by default in Debian. It isn't disabled in the source distribution of OpenSSH-9.6p1, which I just checked. In some popular Linux distros the installation process doesn't ask for a root password, leaving root locked out that way. To disallow root SSH login, edit your /etc/ssh/sshd_config file, and add a line: PermitRootLogin no to the file. There should be a commented default setting about 120 lines down into the config file. Just add the "PermitRootLogin no" line in that region. Alternativly, you can create a new file, perhaps named /etc/ssh/sshd_config.d/no-root-ssh.conf and put the "PermitRootLogin no" line in there. The filename doesn't matter, but whatever name you do chose the filename must end in ".conf" or it will be ignored. Once you've created this file, you'll need to restart the SSHD using: service sshd restart or any of the other normal methods for doing that. --MCV. On 12/18/23 21:53, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > I don't remember why I thought that. Maybe it was a decade ago and > on a different distribution. I am using Debian. > > Does anyone know a quick and easy way to make it so?

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by Randy Cole

Used to work at a company where the programs had names with 3 letters followed by four numbers. I would see a plate and remember the similarly named program and what it was used for On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 5:16 AM Michael Voorhis via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind > another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." > > I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that was > a long time ago. > > It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would > probably be on this mailing list. > > --MCV. > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HRXTY… >

Dec. 19, 2023

SMTP 25 license plate

by Michael Voorhis

About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that was a long time ago. It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would probably be on this mailing list. --MCV.

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th? and security ...

by Keith Wright

NB: Question at end. Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > since I trust the security of my phone a tad more (but only a tad). > Why am I seeing ^M at the end of line. Somewhere along the pipe something must take responsibility for replacing IBM crlf with Unix \n. No matter; I'll do it myself. >>>>>> so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug I assume that didn't happen. If it did, sorry I missed it. >> I also want to setup a Wireguard tunnel between home and >> my VPS in the cloud to make backups easier and simple. For a short time I thought I might need a VPN to simulate the home-internal network I used to have http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/wireless.html#diagram I got the wireguard white paper and decided, no. Don't need encryption; no real secrets here. >>>>> I run pi-hole at home to block ads network wide, Don't need ad blocking, don't know what's a pi-hole. Sounds Rude. I was watching the /var/log/auth.log on fcx1, my cloudy-VPN, as fools tried to guess passwords for users that don't even exist. No worries, they can't even guess user names, my passwd is good. Then I saw the same IP try to guess a password for root, over and over. Oh oh. I forgot that one. They guessed a login id. Enough! I remembered Tim talking about using fail to ban. I don't know anything about it but I guessed how to spell it and apt-get install fail2ban It is more configuration than I expected, but I'll figure it out. I thought, no hurry, there is zero chance of guessing the root password because you can't log in as root over ssh. Just to be sure I "su -" on the laptop and "ssh fcx1". To my horror it let me log on as root (with password, of course). I thought that was blocked by deep world-wide default! I don't remember why I thought that. Maybe it was a decade ago and on a different distribution. I am using Debian. Does anyone know a quick and easy way to make it so? I want to be able to "su -" after I log in, but I can see no excuse for ssh to let a root log in directly. >>>>> This is why everyone should train their mother >>>>> to offer a secure ISP/VPN service. >>>>> "Mom's VPN: Do you trust your Mom?" >>>>> md With my life? Yes. With a computer? No! -- Keith PS: Seven copies of WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org -- deleted. You will have to make do with this one:

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Althea Shaheen

What I do is have the wireguard clients be on a different subnet than my other hosts, all behind the firewall. Then, in pfsense I made wireguard an interface like any other, and that allows me to make firewall policies, such as letting wireguard clients only to my DNS servers on port 53, or my web servers on 443. Also, since each wireguard client has a static IP reserved, I can make my phone access more than my cloud server, since I trust the security of my phone a tad more (but only a tad). For routing, I have the config for the clients either as 0.0.0.0/0 to send all traffic over the tunnel, or my private networks only for the split tunnel, and let the firewall policy handle it from there. So, you could certainly make it so that your VPS connects to your wireguard endpoint, and then send your backup traffic to it's client IP if you are going outbound to the VPS, and block the VPS from your internal network, or vice versa just open up the port you need to the host you need from the VPS to internal. Hope this helps On Thu, Dec 14, 2023, at 12:42, John Stoffel wrote: >>>>>> "Althea" == Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> I run it on my pfSense firewall, but pivpn is also a great option if >> you'd rather port forward to a different device. > > Do you have it so that if you have multiple internal devices behind > your firewall, your external client can reach all those devices? > > I'ev been playing, but I'm sure I'm mssing something. For example: > > Internal network: 192.168.1.0/24 > host A 192.168.1.10/32 > host B 192.168.1.20/32 > > Firewall: 192.168.1.254 > WG: 192.168.200.0/24 > > Client: 200.150.100.50 (made up) > > > Ideally I'd like my client to be able to access host A or B from the > road using the WG tunnel. Would I need to assign WG addresses to > these hosts? Or would I just rounte 192.168.1.0/24 via wg0 on the > client? > > That's the trouble I'm having. > > I also want to setup a Wireguard tunnel between home and my VPS in the > cloud to make backups easier and simple. I could just do an SSH > tunnel, but I'd prefer not since it's a pain for this one application > to setup. > > So my VPS has both it's public IP, and then I have a WireGuard IP and > route setup so that I can reach into the home network. And possibly > also allow connections to the VPS from other clients as well. Very > mesh like. > > John > > > > >> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, at 16:30, John Stoffel wrote: >>>>>>>> "Althea" == Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>> >>> I've been busy, so I'm coming back to this late... >>> >>>> I use a wireguard VPN on my phone anytime I leave my house, mainly >>>> for ad blocking. I run pi-hole at home to block ads network wide, >>>> and when I leave wifi, my phone automatically joins the VPN at home >>>> and uses the same pi-hole servers for DNS. Internet traffic is still >>>> directly through my carrier (so split tunnel) but my DNS is hidden >>>> from them and ad free! >>> >>> Do you run wireguard on your firewall or do you pass it inside into a >>> base host? >>> >>>> -thea >>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2023, at 03:54, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: >>> >>>>> However, they still rely on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and >>>> policies. >>>>> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. >>>> This is why everyone should train their mother to offer a secure ISP/VPN service. >>>> "Mom's VPN: Do you trust your Mom?" >>>> md >>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 11:44 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>>> VPN services are a good tool for privacy. However, they they still rely >>>> on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and policies. >>>> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. >>> >>>> On 12/8/2023 3:13 AM, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience >>>>> when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, >>>>> the rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve >>>>> that car than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there is >>>>> a difference between a poor native and a rich American. >>>>> >>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>> On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: >>>>>> So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're selling, >>>>>> but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone. (educate >>>>>> me!) >>>>>> Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win. >>>>>> Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this month, >>>>>> so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug >>>>>> Yes. Those "modern" VPNs are used for many reasons. Here are a couple: >>>>>> >>>>>> - To appear to servers/services that you are physically located in a >>>>>> different geographical area. This can help you bypass >>>>>> geographically restricted content, such as watching sports programs >>>>>> that content owners don't want you to see based on where you live >>>>>> (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you >>>>>> a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you >>>>>> if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute >>>>>> accomodations while you are away on vacation. >>>>>> >>>>>> - To hide your real IP address from servers and/or hide your browsing >>>>>> from intermediaries (your ISP for example) for privacy. This could >>>>>> be so you can avoid being tracked and having your browsing habits >>>>>> sold to advertisers (something your ISP can easily do--SSL does not >>>>>> hide DNS queries although that is changing with the availability of >>>>>> DNS-over-HTTPS and similar), to hide from authorities/copyright >>>>>> enforcers, or for life-and-death reasons (hide from unfriendly >>>>>> governments.) >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>>> Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>>>> Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZC4W3… >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TI4DE… >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2OD7Q… >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/E6KIC… >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/532CN… >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NK7RY…

Dec. 15, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Althea" == Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I run it on my pfSense firewall, but pivpn is also a great option if > you'd rather port forward to a different device. Do you have it so that if you have multiple internal devices behind your firewall, your external client can reach all those devices? I'ev been playing, but I'm sure I'm mssing something. For example: Internal network: 192.168.1.0/24 host A 192.168.1.10/32 host B 192.168.1.20/32 Firewall: 192.168.1.254 WG: 192.168.200.0/24 Client: 200.150.100.50 (made up) Ideally I'd like my client to be able to access host A or B from the road using the WG tunnel. Would I need to assign WG addresses to these hosts? Or would I just rounte 192.168.1.0/24 via wg0 on the client? That's the trouble I'm having. I also want to setup a Wireguard tunnel between home and my VPS in the cloud to make backups easier and simple. I could just do an SSH tunnel, but I'd prefer not since it's a pain for this one application to setup. So my VPS has both it's public IP, and then I have a WireGuard IP and route setup so that I can reach into the home network. And possibly also allow connections to the VPS from other clients as well. Very mesh like. John > On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, at 16:30, John Stoffel wrote: >>>>>>> "Althea" == Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >> I've been busy, so I'm coming back to this late... >> >>> I use a wireguard VPN on my phone anytime I leave my house, mainly >>> for ad blocking. I run pi-hole at home to block ads network wide, >>> and when I leave wifi, my phone automatically joins the VPN at home >>> and uses the same pi-hole servers for DNS. Internet traffic is still >>> directly through my carrier (so split tunnel) but my DNS is hidden >>> from them and ad free! >> >> Do you run wireguard on your firewall or do you pass it inside into a >> base host? >> >>> -thea >> >>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2023, at 03:54, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: >> >>>> However, they still rely on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and >>> policies. >>>> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. >>> This is why everyone should train their mother to offer a secure ISP/VPN service. >>> "Mom's VPN: Do you trust your Mom?" >>> md >> >>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 11:44 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >>> VPN services are a good tool for privacy. However, they they still rely >>> on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and policies. >>> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. >> >>> On 12/8/2023 3:13 AM, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: >>>> >>>> You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience >>>> when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, >>>> the rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve >>>> that car than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there is >>>> a difference between a poor native and a rich American. >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: >>>>> On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: >>>>> So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're selling, >>>>> but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone. (educate >>>>> me!) >>>>> Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win. >>>>> Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this month, >>>>> so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug >>>>> Yes. Those "modern" VPNs are used for many reasons. Here are a couple: >>>>> >>>>> - To appear to servers/services that you are physically located in a >>>>> different geographical area. This can help you bypass >>>>> geographically restricted content, such as watching sports programs >>>>> that content owners don't want you to see based on where you live >>>>> (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you >>>>> a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you >>>>> if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute >>>>> accomodations while you are away on vacation. >>>>> >>>>> - To hide your real IP address from servers and/or hide your browsing >>>>> from intermediaries (your ISP for example) for privacy. This could >>>>> be so you can avoid being tracked and having your browsing habits >>>>> sold to advertisers (something your ISP can easily do--SSL does not >>>>> hide DNS queries although that is changing with the availability of >>>>> DNS-over-HTTPS and similar), to hide from authorities/copyright >>>>> enforcers, or for life-and-death reasons (hide from unfriendly >>>>> governments.) >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>>> Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZC4W3… >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TI4DE… >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2OD7Q… >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/E6KIC… >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/532CN… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NK7RY…

Dec. 14, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Althea Shaheen

I run it on my pfSense firewall, but pivpn is also a great option if you'd rather port forward to a different device. On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, at 16:30, John Stoffel wrote: >>>>>> "Althea" == Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > I've been busy, so I'm coming back to this late... > >> I use a wireguard VPN on my phone anytime I leave my house, mainly >> for ad blocking. I run pi-hole at home to block ads network wide, >> and when I leave wifi, my phone automatically joins the VPN at home >> and uses the same pi-hole servers for DNS. Internet traffic is still >> directly through my carrier (so split tunnel) but my DNS is hidden >> from them and ad free! > > Do you run wireguard on your firewall or do you pass it inside into a > base host? > >> -thea > >> On Sat, Dec 9, 2023, at 03:54, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: > >>> However, they still rely on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and >> policies. >>> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. >> This is why everyone should train their mother to offer a secure ISP/VPN service. >> "Mom's VPN: Do you trust your Mom?" >> md > >> On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 11:44 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> VPN services are a good tool for privacy. However, they they still rely >> on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and policies. >> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. > >> On 12/8/2023 3:13 AM, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: >>> >>> You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience >>> when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, >>> the rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve >>> that car than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there is >>> a difference between a poor native and a rich American. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: >>>> On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: >>>>> So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're selling, >>>>> but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone. (educate >>>>> me!) >>>>> Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win. >>>>> Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this month, >>>>> so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug >>>> Yes. Those "modern" VPNs are used for many reasons. Here are a couple: >>>> >>>> - To appear to servers/services that you are physically located in a >>>> different geographical area. This can help you bypass >>>> geographically restricted content, such as watching sports programs >>>> that content owners don't want you to see based on where you live >>>> (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you >>>> a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you >>>> if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute >>>> accomodations while you are away on vacation. >>>> >>>> - To hide your real IP address from servers and/or hide your browsing >>>> from intermediaries (your ISP for example) for privacy. This could >>>> be so you can avoid being tracked and having your browsing habits >>>> sold to advertisers (something your ISP can easily do--SSL does not >>>> hide DNS queries although that is changing with the availability of >>>> DNS-over-HTTPS and similar), to hide from authorities/copyright >>>> enforcers, or for life-and-death reasons (hide from unfriendly >>>> governments.) >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZC4W3… >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TI4DE… >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2OD7Q… > >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/E6KIC… > >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/532CN…

Dec. 13, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Althea" == Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: I've been busy, so I'm coming back to this late... > I use a wireguard VPN on my phone anytime I leave my house, mainly > for ad blocking. I run pi-hole at home to block ads network wide, > and when I leave wifi, my phone automatically joins the VPN at home > and uses the same pi-hole servers for DNS. Internet traffic is still > directly through my carrier (so split tunnel) but my DNS is hidden > from them and ad free! Do you run wireguard on your firewall or do you pass it inside into a base host? > -thea > On Sat, Dec 9, 2023, at 03:54, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: >> However, they still rely on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and > policies. >> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. > This is why everyone should train their mother to offer a secure ISP/VPN service. > "Mom's VPN: Do you trust your Mom?" > md > On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 11:44 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > VPN services are a good tool for privacy. However, they they still rely > on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and policies. > A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. > On 12/8/2023 3:13 AM, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: >> >> You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience >> when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, >> the rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve >> that car than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there is >> a difference between a poor native and a rich American. >> >> Bob >> >> On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: >>> On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: >>>> So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're selling, >>>> but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone. (educate >>>> me!) >>>> Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win. >>>> Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this month, >>>> so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug >>> Yes. Those "modern" VPNs are used for many reasons. Here are a couple: >>> >>> - To appear to servers/services that you are physically located in a >>> different geographical area. This can help you bypass >>> geographically restricted content, such as watching sports programs >>> that content owners don't want you to see based on where you live >>> (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you >>> a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you >>> if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute >>> accomodations while you are away on vacation. >>> >>> - To hide your real IP address from servers and/or hide your browsing >>> from intermediaries (your ISP for example) for privacy. This could >>> be so you can avoid being tracked and having your browsing habits >>> sold to advertisers (something your ISP can easily do--SSL does not >>> hide DNS queries although that is changing with the availability of >>> DNS-over-HTTPS and similar), to hide from authorities/copyright >>> enforcers, or for life-and-death reasons (hide from unfriendly >>> governments.) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZC4W3… >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TI4DE… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2OD7Q… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/E6KIC… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/532CN…

Dec. 13, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Althea Shaheen

I use a wireguard VPN on my phone anytime I leave my house, mainly for ad blocking. I run pi-hole at home to block ads network wide, and when I leave wifi, my phone automatically joins the VPN at home and uses the same pi-hole servers for DNS. Internet traffic is still directly through my carrier (so split tunnel) but my DNS is hidden from them and ad free! -thea On Sat, Dec 9, 2023, at 03:54, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: > >However, they still rely on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and policies. > >A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. > This is why everyone should train their mother to offer a secure ISP/VPN service. > "Mom's VPN: Do you trust your Mom?" > md > > On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 11:44 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> VPN services are a good tool for privacy. However, they they still rely >> on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and policies. >> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. >> >> >> On 12/8/2023 3:13 AM, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: >> > >> > You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience >> > when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, >> > the rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve >> > that car than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there is >> > a difference between a poor native and a rich American. >> > >> > Bob >> > >> > On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: >> >> On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: >> >>> So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're selling, >> >>> but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone. (educate >> >>> me!) >> >>> Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win. >> >>> Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this month, >> >>> so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug >> >> Yes. Those "modern" VPNs are used for many reasons. Here are a couple: >> >> >> >> - To appear to servers/services that you are physically located in a >> >> different geographical area. This can help you bypass >> >> geographically restricted content, such as watching sports programs >> >> that content owners don't want you to see based on where you live >> >> (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you >> >> a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you >> >> if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute >> >> accomodations while you are away on vacation. >> >> >> >> - To hide your real IP address from servers and/or hide your browsing >> >> from intermediaries (your ISP for example) for privacy. This could >> >> be so you can avoid being tracked and having your browsing habits >> >> sold to advertisers (something your ISP can easily do--SSL does not >> >> hide DNS queries although that is changing with the availability of >> >> DNS-over-HTTPS and similar), to hide from authorities/copyright >> >> enforcers, or for life-and-death reasons (hide from unfriendly >> >> governments.) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> >> To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> >> Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> >> Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> >> Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org… >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TI4DE… >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2OD7Q… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/E6KIC… >

Dec. 8, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Jon "maddog" Hall

>However, they still rely on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and policies. >A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. This is why everyone should train their mother to offer a secure ISP/VPN service. "Mom's VPN: Do you trust your Mom?" md On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 11:44 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > VPN services are a good tool for privacy. However, they they still rely > on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and policies. > A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. > > > On 12/8/2023 3:13 AM, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: > > > > You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience > > when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, > > the rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve > > that car than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there is > > a difference between a poor native and a rich American. > > > > Bob > > > > On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: > >>> So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're > selling, > >>> but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone. (educate > >>> me!) > >>> Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win. > >>> Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this > month, > >>> so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug > >> Yes. Those "modern" VPNs are used for many reasons. Here are a couple: > >> > >> - To appear to servers/services that you are physically located in a > >> different geographical area. This can help you bypass > >> geographically restricted content, such as watching sports programs > >> that content owners don't want you to see based on where you live > >> (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you > >> a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you > >> if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute > >> accomodations while you are away on vacation. > >> > >> - To hide your real IP address from servers and/or hide your browsing > >> from intermediaries (your ISP for example) for privacy. This could > >> be so you can avoid being tracked and having your browsing habits > >> sold to advertisers (something your ISP can easily do--SSL does not > >> hide DNS queries although that is changing with the availability of > >> DNS-over-HTTPS and similar), to hide from authorities/copyright > >> enforcers, or for life-and-death reasons (hide from unfriendly > >> governments.) > >> _______________________________________________ > >> WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >> To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >> Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >> Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZC4W3… > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TI4DE… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2OD7Q… >

Dec. 8, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Kevin Stratton

VPN services are a good tool for privacy. However, they they still rely on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and policies. A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. On 12/8/2023 3:13 AM, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: > > You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience > when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, > the rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve > that car than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there is > a difference between a poor native and a rich American. > > Bob > > On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: >>> So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're selling, >>> but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone. (educate >>> me!) >>> Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win. >>> Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this month, >>> so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug >> Yes. Those "modern" VPNs are used for many reasons. Here are a couple: >> >> - To appear to servers/services that you are physically located in a >> different geographical area. This can help you bypass >> geographically restricted content, such as watching sports programs >> that content owners don't want you to see based on where you live >> (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you >> a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you >> if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute >> accomodations while you are away on vacation. >> >> - To hide your real IP address from servers and/or hide your browsing >> from intermediaries (your ISP for example) for privacy. This could >> be so you can avoid being tracked and having your browsing habits >> sold to advertisers (something your ISP can easily do--SSL does not >> hide DNS queries although that is changing with the availability of >> DNS-over-HTTPS and similar), to hide from authorities/copyright >> enforcers, or for life-and-death reasons (hide from unfriendly >> governments.) >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TI4DE…

Dec. 8, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Cara Salter

On 12/7/23 21:08, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: > cara> I'd also be interested in how people are self-hosting their VPNs > (and john stoffel's view may be similar, I can't say, but hi anyways!) > > me/doug> I'm struggling with what's the benefit/motivation? For me, it lets me access my home network when I'm away from my apartment. > My take which started long ago: > 20-30 yrs ago as a sysadmin supporting remote access/workers, > my (very not-genius-level) brain learned that a VPN... > a box/product I'd install on "my"/work network, > handing out INside-access to outside-workers for a session.... > adds (pops up during session) a virtual interface > on home-computer network stack, so > while in a VPN session the home worker can magically > "have an ipaddr on the inside of workplace network" > thus allowed into not-public work servers (or drive their work desktop) > BUT! on server setup, I+bosses must decide if yes/no allowing split-tunnel > (policy set on VPN server which the VPN clients suffer with usually? if > "no split") > If yes/split-tunnel allowed, client gets a 2nd! default gateway = route > to 0.0.0.0 > giving best home-computer network performance (mixing work and play > works well) My split-tunnel VPN doesn't set a default gateway, just a route to 10.x.x.x/x. I'm thinking of shenanigans to let my roommates VPN into the normal resident network and letting myself VPN into the management network via jump box, but that's not implemented yet. Shenanigans with Packetfence are planned for the break... > BUT smart?/paranoid-workplace setups choose NO split tunnel, and > force home-user's (ISP-given) default route to either disappear? > or become unused via route metric/preference adjustment? so that, either way > "don't let the home worker's unsafe world anywhere to tunnel near/into > work network". I'm neither smart nor paranoid :p so I use split-tunnel. > So (now retired) I see endless TV ads for VPN's > preaching the benefits of their secure VPN, and I don't get it, .... > assume buyers/sheep are fooled. Real value = ? I may be blind, > but lacking a VPN, my outside/web traffic is still https / encrypted, > are they selling some enhanced default-gw world > featuring bad-guys-blocked-from-hacking-you? I trust my home router, > though I'm open minded to how "wide open" that might be, relative to > some ideal. Most commercial VPNs I've found have low quality. The one that I use when I want the benefits (different geolocation results, etc) is Mullvad, for a variety of reasons. Interested in other people's thoughts! -- cara

Dec. 8, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Jon "maddog" Hall

I travel internationally a LOT, and having a VPN host in the USA means I can access websites the same way I can from home for all of the reasons that Chuck mentioned. Recently this has been extended not only to movies, TV shows, etc. that are blocked in foreign countries because the USA advertisers can not get their pound of flesh from foreign viewers, but also because foreign governments may not allow access to those websites for various reasons. Also various financial and medical websites may not allow access from outside the USA even though I have an account on those systems and legitimate reasons for access. Using the VPN all the time means that the sites work the same no matter where my laptop or desktop is located. md md On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 9:54 AM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 03:13:49AM -0500, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: > > On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: > > > (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you > > > a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you > > > if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute > > > accomodations while you are away on vacation. > > > You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience > > when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, the > > rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve that car > > than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there is a > > difference between a poor native and a rich American. > > Oh right, I had the hotel thing backwards. It may be cheaper if you > appear to be in-country for hotels, rental cars, etc. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/C6YTP… >

Dec. 8, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Chuck Anderson

On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 03:13:49AM -0500, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: > On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: > > (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you > > a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you > > if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute > > accomodations while you are away on vacation. > You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience > when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, the > rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve that car > than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there is a > difference between a poor native and a rich American. Oh right, I had the hotel thing backwards. It may be cheaper if you appear to be in-country for hotels, rental cars, etc.

Dec. 8, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Robert Schwein

You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, the rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve that car than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there is a difference between a poor native and a rich American. Bob On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: > On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: >> So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're selling, >> but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone. (educate >> me!) >> Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win. >> Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this month, >> so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug > Yes. Those "modern" VPNs are used for many reasons. Here are a couple: > > - To appear to servers/services that you are physically located in a > different geographical area. This can help you bypass > geographically restricted content, such as watching sports programs > that content owners don't want you to see based on where you live > (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you > a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you > if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute > accomodations while you are away on vacation. > > - To hide your real IP address from servers and/or hide your browsing > from intermediaries (your ISP for example) for privacy. This could > be so you can avoid being tracked and having your browsing habits > sold to advertisers (something your ISP can easily do--SSL does not > hide DNS queries although that is changing with the availability of > DNS-over-HTTPS and similar), to hide from authorities/copyright > enforcers, or for life-and-death reasons (hide from unfriendly > governments.) > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org…

Dec. 8, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Chuck Anderson

On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: > So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're selling, > but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone. (educate > me!) > Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win. > Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this month, > so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug Yes. Those "modern" VPNs are used for many reasons. Here are a couple: - To appear to servers/services that you are physically located in a different geographical area. This can help you bypass geographically restricted content, such as watching sports programs that content owners don't want you to see based on where you live (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute accomodations while you are away on vacation. - To hide your real IP address from servers and/or hide your browsing from intermediaries (your ISP for example) for privacy. This could be so you can avoid being tracked and having your browsing habits sold to advertisers (something your ISP can easily do--SSL does not hide DNS queries although that is changing with the availability of DNS-over-HTTPS and similar), to hide from authorities/copyright enforcers, or for life-and-death reasons (hide from unfriendly governments.)

Dec. 8, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Doug Mildram

cara> I'd also be interested in how people are self-hosting their VPNs (and john stoffel's view may be similar, I can't say, but hi anyways!) me/doug> I'm struggling with what's the benefit/motivation? My take which started long ago: 20-30 yrs ago as a sysadmin supporting remote access/workers, my (very not-genius-level) brain learned that a VPN... a box/product I'd install on "my"/work network, handing out INside-access to outside-workers for a session.... adds (pops up during session) a virtual interface on home-computer network stack, so while in a VPN session the home worker can magically "have an ipaddr on the inside of workplace network" thus allowed into not-public work servers (or drive their work desktop) BUT! on server setup, I+bosses must decide if yes/no allowing split-tunnel (policy set on VPN server which the VPN clients suffer with usually? if "no split") If yes/split-tunnel allowed, client gets a 2nd! default gateway = route to 0.0.0.0 giving best home-computer network performance (mixing work and play works well) BUT smart?/paranoid-workplace setups choose NO split tunnel, and force home-user's (ISP-given) default route to either disappear? or become unused via route metric/preference adjustment? so that, either way "don't let the home worker's unsafe world anywhere to tunnel near/into work network". Thus the downside! When workplace uplink is wimpy/ancient (e.g. T1/56kb then), and all home-user's internet traffic gets tunnelled in+out via WORK network pipe, envision as I had to discover, how that stinks awfully: adding+forcing+slowing-down home/play traffic via busy work pipe/route-to-0.0.0.0! Sorry to ramble, later I joined WPI netops, but not deep into security/VPN. (Frank/Chuck/Ben/John+more: I miss you all bigtime, I learned so much) So (now retired) I see endless TV ads for VPN's preaching the benefits of their secure VPN, and I don't get it, .... assume buyers/sheep are fooled. Real value = ? I may be blind, but lacking a VPN, my outside/web traffic is still https / encrypted, are they selling some enhanced default-gw world featuring bad-guys-blocked-from-hacking-you? I trust my home router, though I'm open minded to how "wide open" that might be, relative to some ideal. =====side rant, but I can tie it in :) One guy at work, long ago not WPI, did inappropriate network/chat/etc things on lunch/etc time, and ALL his internet traffic thru my/work router was directed to/from at a service/server which he subscribed to, with the benefit of anonymizing himself and hiding his uncool chat rooms (appearing to be elsewhere, tunnelling unsafe habits for work desktop whether sysadmin=netadmin=I was blocking them or not) Too bad for him though: cubicle wall height = below boss's eyeball from adjacent cubicle, and he got canned, while I helped his boss figure out what was going on. So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're selling, but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone. (educate me!) Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win. Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this month, so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 4:01 PM Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > On 12/7/23 15:20, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > That's true. Though, the 28th is now past xmas and likely people are > > going to be all over the place. > > > > For a topic, I was thinking about what VPN options are there for linux > > at this point? > > Obviously there's NordVPN, but there's also Proton as well. > > > > Something people might be interested in? > > > > I'd also be interested in how people are self-hosting their VPNs, > whether that's Wireguard, Wireguard with shenanigans on top, OpenVPN, or > something else. > > -- > cara > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NUSZZ… >

Dec. 8, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > That's true. Though, the 28th is now past xmas and likely people are > going to be all over the place. > For a topic, I was thinking about what VPN options are there for > linux at this point? Obviously there's NordVPN, but there's also > Proton as well. > Something people might be interested in? I'd also be interested in a talk about Wireguard and how to implement it in a couple of cases: 1. one end on home router/firewall, other end on remote device. - can I go from internal host to remote device? 2. just a pair of devices, seperated by a firewall - this is simpler, but more complicated than step 1. I've done SSH tunnels in the past, looking more for a generic way to do backups of a device in the cloud from my home backup server. WireGuard should be the ticket, but it's being annoying. John

Dec. 7, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Cara Salter

On 12/7/23 15:20, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > That's true. Though, the 28th is now past xmas and likely people are > going to be all over the place. > > For a topic, I was thinking about what VPN options are there for linux > at this point? > Obviously there's NordVPN, but there's also Proton as well. > > Something people might be interested in? > I'd also be interested in how people are self-hosting their VPNs, whether that's Wireguard, Wireguard with shenanigans on top, OpenVPN, or something else. -- cara

Dec. 7, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Tim Keller

That's true. Though, the 28th is now past xmas and likely people are going to be all over the place. For a topic, I was thinking about what VPN options are there for linux at this point? Obviously there's NordVPN, but there's also Proton as well. Something people might be interested in? On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 4:17 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > > I've got a conflict on the 14th. > > > Does the 21st or the 28th work for people? > > I think the 21st *might* be possible, but it's getting late in the > year. It would be lovely to see more people, and to get more feedback > on how the new meeting location is working out, especially for those > of you on Jitsi. > > Technocopia is a louder space, so it's hard for us to give good remote > meetings. > > > John > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 7, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by John Stoffel

> I've got a conflict on the 14th. > Does the 21st or the 28th work for people? I think the 21st *might* be possible, but it's getting late in the year. It would be lovely to see more people, and to get more feedback on how the new meeting location is working out, especially for those of you on Jitsi. Technocopia is a louder space, so it's hard for us to give good remote meetings. John

Nov. 27, 2023

Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Tim Keller

Hey wlug folk, I've got a conflict on the 14th. Does the 21st or the 28th work for people? Thanks, Tim.

Nov. 25, 2023

Great meeting last night!

by Tim Keller

Last night we had a great meeting! I spoke about my trials and tribulations in using FOSS to run my mini mill. I was good to get back to the presentation format! We talked about cad and cam, controllers, gcode and degrees of freedom, closed loop vs open loop. I then showed off the mill making a wlug logo! Saw dust everywhere!! See you at the next meeting! Tim.

Nov. 10, 2023

Re: Video Conference, WLUG meeting?

by Tim Keller

Things were initially working, then I managed to close chrome.. I think in that intervening time the birthday party happened. Tim. On Thu, Nov 9, 2023, 7:11 PM Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I did not see the video conference at https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA. If > there is different link, please let me know. > > > On 11/8/2023 5:28 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > We've got a meeting tomorrow! > > Location: Technocopia <https://technocopia.org/> 44 Porland St 6th Floor. > Worcester MA 01604 > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Time: 7pm > Date: 11/9/2023 > > Topic: FOSS for desktop manufacturing. > For my birthday last year I bought myself a cheap desktop CNC machine so I > could learn about subtractive manufacturing. > The goals were to use as much FOSS software as possible to run the machine. > This talk will be a high level presentation about additive vs subtractive > manufacturing, and from there we'll get into the nitty gritty. If things > going well, it'll finish with the machine doing some milling. > > Snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll head off for dinner > afterwards. > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HHFKC… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RAB35… >

Nov. 10, 2023

Video Conference, WLUG meeting?

by Kevin Stratton

I did not see the video conference at https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA. If there is different link, please let me know. On 11/8/2023 5:28 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > We've got a meeting tomorrow! > > Location: Technocopia <https://technocopia.org/> 44 Porland St 6th > Floor. Worcester MA 01604 > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Time: 7pm > Date: 11/9/2023 > > Topic: FOSS for desktop manufacturing. > For my birthday last year I bought myself a cheap desktop CNC machine > so I could learn about subtractive manufacturing. > The goals were to use as much FOSS software as possible to run the > machine. > This talk will be a high level presentation about additive vs > subtractive manufacturing, and from there we'll get into the > nitty gritty. If things going well, it'll finish with the machine > doing some milling. > > Snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll head off for dinner > afterwards. > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org…

Nov. 10, 2023

WLUG Meeting tonight! Topic: FOSS for desktop manufacturing! Location: Technocopia

by Tim Keller

We've got a meeting Tonight!!! Location: Technocopia <https://technocopia.org/> 44 Porland St 6th Floor. Worcester MA 01604 Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Time: 7pm Date: 11/9/2023 Topic: FOSS for desktop manufacturing. For my birthday last year I bought myself a cheap desktop CNC machine so I could learn about subtractive manufacturing. The goals were to use as much FOSS software as possible to run the machine. This talk will be a high level presentation about additive vs subtractive manufacturing, and from there we'll get into the nitty gritty. If things are going well, it'll finish with the machine doing some milling. Snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll head off for dinner afterwards. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 9, 2023

Reminder: We've got a meeting tomorrow! (11/9/2023) Location: Technocopia

by Tim Keller

We've got a meeting tomorrow! Location: Technocopia <https://technocopia.org/> 44 Porland St 6th Floor. Worcester MA 01604 Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Time: 7pm Date: 11/9/2023 Topic: FOSS for desktop manufacturing. For my birthday last year I bought myself a cheap desktop CNC machine so I could learn about subtractive manufacturing. The goals were to use as much FOSS software as possible to run the machine. This talk will be a high level presentation about additive vs subtractive manufacturing, and from there we'll get into the nitty gritty. If things going well, it'll finish with the machine doing some milling. Snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll head off for dinner afterwards. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 8, 2023

Re: Reminder: Next Meeting Nov 9th, 2023! Location: Technocopia

by Tim Keller

This morning I started working on a side deck! I'm going to have my little 3018 CNC mill and the laptop I use as the DRO. I'm going to talk about Additive manufacturing vs. Subtractive, the general toolchain I use and what software I've messed around with and what things I've found along the way. Tim. On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 3:53 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > > We've got a wlug meeting at Technocopia on Thursday Nov 9th, 2023. > > > I had hoped to have a pi5 and be using it as my daily driver, but > > I've been foiled in that attempt. > > > > Another option if people would be interested in it, I could bring my > > desktop cnc mill. > > Please do! I'd love to see it in action! > > > My whole goal has been to use as much FOSS as possible in the entire > > toolpath so I'm not entangled with a particular company that might > > go out of business. > > > If this is something people might be interested in, let me know. > > Absolutely. Though will Technocopia allow us to spin it up and let it > rip? :-) > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 8, 2023

Re: Reminder: Next Meeting Nov 9th, 2023! Location: Technocopia

by John Stoffel

> We've got a wlug meeting at Technocopia on Thursday Nov 9th, 2023. > I had hoped to have a pi5 and be using it as my daily driver, but > I've been foiled in that attempt. > Another option if people would be interested in it, I could bring my > desktop cnc mill. Please do! I'd love to see it in action! > My whole goal has been to use as much FOSS as possible in the entire > toolpath so I'm not entangled with a particular company that might > go out of business. > If this is something people might be interested in, let me know. Absolutely. Though will Technocopia allow us to spin it up and let it rip? :-)

Nov. 8, 2023

Re: So about that Pi5..

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Joe" == Joe Sherman via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: So this ZimaBoard is just an Intel Celeron, and looking at their site (https://zimaboard.com/) it's not always easy to get specs or info. Not that impressed so far. Now the ZimaBlade is a little more interesting, though you have to buy your own RAM, but maybe building a small CEPH cluster would be possible with this? Probably needs more than just 1 x 1gb ethernet though, since you'd like to keep the cluster traffic isolated. I've got the OrangePi 3 LTS, which has been working fine for me, though I admit I don't do much with it. And the one I have setup remotely seems to flake out on reboots at times and not come back up cleanly, which is annoying since it's a 30 minute drive to fix it. Sigh... > I keep hearing less than stellar reviews for the Pi5 so not that > interested myself. I keep hearing a lot about the Zima SBCs, both > tue ZimaBoard and the ZimaBlade. And I hear they are kickstarting a > ZimaCube which will be a NAS box. interesting for sure. > On Fri, Nov 3, 2023, 2:04 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I went to microcenter on the 23rd of October and they said sorry and said the 3rd of November, > and today before I even left the house they say "sold out." > I can only speculate on how before they were even on the shelves they were sold out.. but > there we are.. > With that said, the orange pi 5 keeps looking even more interesting, though it completely > blows the price point out of the water at $100.. > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as > "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MXZVL… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TRBM2…

Nov. 8, 2023

Re: Reminder: Next Meeting Nov 9th, 2023! Location: Technocopia

by Kevin Stratton

I am interested in the tool path. Perhaps you can discuss how the tool path flows and provide some idea of your experience with set up to work with the CNC machine. 1) What do you use for CAD?. Do you use STL files as an output? 2) What do you use as an equivalent to a slicer (to generate G-code from the STL file, select bits, etc..). 3) Anything else related to tool path tools or terminology. 4) General impressions, what works, what does not, etc.... On 11/6/2023 4:33 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Everybody! > > We've got a wlug meeting at Technocopia on Thursday Nov 9th, 2023. > I had hoped to have a pi5 and be using it as my daily driver, but I've > been foiled in that attempt. > Another option if people would be interested in it, I could bring my > desktop cnc mill. > My whole goal has been to use as much FOSS as possible in the entire > toolpath so I'm not entangled with a particular company that might go > out of business. > > If this is something people might be interested in, let me know. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org…

Nov. 7, 2023

Reminder: Next Meeting Nov 9th, 2023! Location: Technocopia

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a wlug meeting at Technocopia on Thursday Nov 9th, 2023. I had hoped to have a pi5 and be using it as my daily driver, but I've been foiled in that attempt. Another option if people would be interested in it, I could bring my desktop cnc mill. My whole goal has been to use as much FOSS as possible in the entire toolpath so I'm not entangled with a particular company that might go out of business. If this is something people might be interested in, let me know. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 6, 2023

Re: So about that Pi5..

by Joe Sherman

I keep hearing less than stellar reviews for the Pi5 so not that interested myself. I keep hearing a lot about the Zima SBCs, both tue ZimaBoard and the ZimaBlade. And I hear they are kickstarting a ZimaCube which will be a NAS box. interesting for sure. On Fri, Nov 3, 2023, 2:04 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I went to microcenter on the 23rd of October and they said sorry and said > the 3rd of November, and today before I even left the house they say "sold > out." > > I can only speculate on how before they were even on the shelves they were > sold out.. but there we are.. > > With that said, the orange pi 5 keeps looking even more interesting, > though it completely blows the price point out of the water at $100.. > > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MXZVL… >

Nov. 3, 2023

So about that Pi5..

by Tim Keller

I went to microcenter on the 23rd of October and they said sorry and said the 3rd of November, and today before I even left the house they say "sold out." I can only speculate on how before they were even on the shelves they were sold out.. but there we are.. With that said, the orange pi 5 keeps looking even more interesting, though it completely blows the price point out of the water at $100.. Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 3, 2023

Re: Ubuntu with SSSD

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Harrington via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I have a lab full of Ubuntu 22.04 machines and have (finally) set > them all up with AD login via SSSD You should post your details on how you did this! I use AD at home but my docs (with a client of Linux Mint <recent>) are way way way out of date. It just works though. > As i was testing, new SSSD users were added to the Gnome3 Greeter > bage. Somewhere along the way with testing, new users stopped being > added to the greeter page. The ones added previously automatically > are still there, but new ones are not being added. I think they need to know their username and type it into the list, and then it just keeps the most recent N number of names in the dropdown. I ran into this myself at one point at home. I think you minght need to poke around in here: https://help.gnome.org/admin/gdm/3.12/configuration.html.en and see what you find. How many logins do you want to show? Look in /etc/gdm/custom.conf and add this to the [greeter] section: [greeter] IncludeAll=true It might do the trick. > I was wondering what configurations effects this behavior? I want > the little kids names added to the list so they can just click on > their name and enter their password. > Here is my setup script: https://github.com/BancroftSchoolOpenSource/UbuntuSetupScript Looks ok, though I see some wierd chmod 777 ... ; do some stuff; chmod 755 ... ; things in there which strike me as odd.

Oct. 20, 2023

Re: Ubuntu with SSSD

by Tim Keller

Can the kids still log in? I wonder if the issue is with the gdm3 list limiting how many users it'll show or something. Tim. On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 5:45 PM Kevin Harrington via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I have a lab full of Ubuntu 22.04 machines and have (finally) set them all > up with AD login via SSSD > > As i was testing, new SSSD users were added to the Gnome3 Greeter bage. > Somewhere along the way with testing, new users stopped being added to the > greeter page. The ones added previously automatically are still there, but > new ones are not being added. > > I was wondering what configurations effects this behavior? I want the > little kids names added to the list so they can just click on their name > and enter their password. > > Here is my setup script: > https://github.com/BancroftSchoolOpenSource/UbuntuSetupScript > > Any tips would be helpful! > > > Bancroft School > 110 Shore Dr, Worcester, MA 01605 > *T:* 508-853-2640 | *F*: 508-853-7824 > www.bancroftschool.org > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CFOYF… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 18, 2023

Re: Zimma Board

by Tim Keller

https://hackaday.io/project/175094-raspberry-pi-ceph-cluster It's definitely a situation where you'd really want your ansible skills dialed in. On Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 12:43 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > This might be old news and off the Raspberry 5 topic. > > I have been looking at the Zimma Board for a SBC to mess with. > > I have a couple of OrangePi3 LTS boards and I could bring one to > compare with the RPi5 > > > It is a different type of board for a different use case. I am mostly > > focused on the performance and SATA port(s). I do not like burning out > > SD cards. > > How well would this board work to use to build a home ceph cluster? I > used to think I wanted to get a bunch of Odriod H2 with the SATA ports > and setup my own distributed filesystem. > > > > 1) open media vault 2 drive NAS > > > 2) Low end (low power, low budget) web page server > > > 3) pihole with a firewall (x86 build) > > I tried doing this myself once, but in a VM and it was terrible. They > are *so* tied into the RPi for setup and install that it's not funny. > > > John >

Oct. 17, 2023

Re: Zimma Board

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > This might be old news and off the Raspberry 5 topic. > I have been looking at the Zimma Board for a SBC to mess with. I have a couple of OrangePi3 LTS boards and I could bring one to compare with the RPi5 > It is a different type of board for a different use case. I am mostly > focused on the performance and SATA port(s). I do not like burning out > SD cards. How well would this board work to use to build a home ceph cluster? I used to think I wanted to get a bunch of Odriod H2 with the SATA ports and setup my own distributed filesystem. > 1) open media vault 2 drive NAS > 2) Low end (low power, low budget) web page server > 3) pihole with a firewall (x86 build) I tried doing this myself once, but in a VM and it was terrible. They are *so* tied into the RPi for setup and install that it's not funny. John

Oct. 17, 2023

Re: Reminder! Meeting tomorrow @ 7pm @ Technocopia!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Last night's meeting was great! Bummed I missed it! > We got Matt setup with a macbook running Ubuntu, got into the weeds > talking about SSSD and rounded it out with some talk about the pi5. > Kevin then showed off the Eagle file browser. Neat! > Hopefully next month we'll have a pi5 to do some hands on screwing around with! John

Oct. 17, 2023

Re: Reminder! Meeting tomorrow @ 7pm @ Technocopia!

by THE HAMMER

My schedule has been getting in the way. I have not made it there since the location change and am anxious to be there. Hopefully, soon ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2023 9:14 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org>; Patrick McEvilly <pmcevilly(a)gmail.com>; Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Reminder! Meeting tomorrow @ 7pm @ Technocopia! Last night's meeting was great! We got Matt setup with a macbook running Ubuntu, got into the weeds talking about SSSD and rounded it out with some talk about the pi5. Kevin then showed off the Eagle file browser. Hopefully next month we'll have a pi5 to do some hands on screwing around with! Later, Tim. On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 6:47 PM Patrick McEvilly via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: It’s tonight. Tim corrected it on Meetup. On Oct 12, 2023, at 6:37 PM, Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: Is the meeting tonight? I got a Meetup notice that said Friday. -- Rich On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 11:45 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: Hey gang, We've got a meeting tomorrow. I'm dying to talking about the pi5, but rudely those chaps from the U.K. decided to release it at the end of the month! Later, Tim. Cache content lost Cache content lost Cache content lost -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 16, 2023

Ubuntu with SSSD

by Kevin Harrington

I have a lab full of Ubuntu 22.04 machines and have (finally) set them all up with AD login via SSSD As i was testing, new SSSD users were added to the Gnome3 Greeter bage. Somewhere along the way with testing, new users stopped being added to the greeter page. The ones added previously automatically are still there, but new ones are not being added. I was wondering what configurations effects this behavior? I want the little kids names added to the list so they can just click on their name and enter their password. Here is my setup script: https://github.com/BancroftSchoolOpenSource/UbuntuSetupScript Any tips would be helpful! -- Bancroft School 110 Shore Dr, Worcester, MA 01605 *T:* 508-853-2640 | *F*: 508-853-7824 www.bancroftschool.org <http://www.bancroftschool.org>

Oct. 16, 2023

Re: Debian 12 networking

by Kevin Stratton

If you become desperate with this, it might be worth the time to confirm that your SD card is accepting writes. Creating a text file then verifying that it is still there on reboot should be sufficient. When I had the sd card issue with my PI3 it was otherwise silent (it must have been working from ram). I have heard that SD cards can fail where they stop accepting all writes after too many writes to them. Otherwise, I not of any help. It has been a LONG time since I have used depmod and related, which I assume will be needed to update the kernel modules. On 10/11/2023 7:58 PM, Mike Long via WLUG wrote: > I installed Debian 12 on a PI4. I got rtl_433 working and receiving > data while connected to the pi4 using ssh. Once that was accomplished > I rebooted via "sudo shutdown -r now" to verify that all the settings > would survive a reboot. When the pi rebooted it was no longer > available on the network. I connected to the pi4 console directly and > received this message at the login screen "filtering via > arp/ip/ip6tables is no longer available by default". > > I am new to debian and not having ifconfig available is a real > handicap for me. Can someone please offer some advice or point me to > resources that will help me fix this issue. Searching the internet has > not offered any helpful resources so far. > > Thanks, > > Mike > > Cache content lost

Oct. 15, 2023

Zimma Board

by Kevin Stratton

This might be old news and off the Raspberry 5 topic. I have been looking at the Zimma Board for a SBC to mess with. It is a different type of board for a different use case. I am mostly focused on the performance and SATA port(s). I do not like burning out SD cards. Possible uses: 1) open media vault 2 drive NAS 2) Low end (low power, low budget) web page server 3) pihole with a firewall (x86 build) I would like to know if anyone has an opinion on this board.

Oct. 15, 2023

Re: Jitsi..

by Joel

I very much like the proposed Pi5 topic. Joel On October 13, 2023 3:24:23 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Microcenter is showing them available on Oct. 23rd. My plan was to drive there directly before going to work and just be waiting at the door and buy one. > Yeah, watching some video's I see the same stuff.. that starting with the pi4, you need active cooling.. which saddens me a bit. > I'm using one to drive my 3d printer, and at this point the pi4 with the fan is louder than the printer.. > > Tim. > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 2:46 PM Joe Sherman <joesherman1979(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I've been hearing if you haven't already ordered a PI 5 then you won't get one until the 3rd production batch. Unless you can find a store that bought for their own stock and they haven't sold out yet. > > Also, the PI 5 specs are a mix of good and bad. Good performance, bad cooling, and lack of hardware decoding for a bunch of video types. > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2023, 2:17 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I hear you on the "no agenda" issue. I want to get back to having a defined topic and actually doing a presentation and then moving onto the general conversation. I think many people when they don't see we have a topic, decide not to come. > > I'm proposing for the next meeting that I do a talk on the useability of the pi5. I'm going to buy one as soon as it comes out and start mucking with it. > I'm actually thinking what I might try to do is make it my daily driver at home and see how that goes. > > Do people like that idea, think it's terrible? Let me know. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 12:09 PM Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I didn't notice much of a performance issue with last night's meeting. If anything, the meetings are hard to follow from Jitsi now that most people are joining the meetings in-person but there isn't an agenda or some other signifier for what the topic is. > > The open-ended conversation format is fine, but doesn't always translate well for anyone joining virtually. > > One of the nice things about Jitsi Meet is that you can screenshare a slideshow for people to follow, but that doesn't seem to be leveraged. > > That being said, I would be all for a self-hosted Jitsi! Joining a meeting would be really convenient if it was as simple as clicking on: > > https://meet.wlug.org > > - Josh > > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 11:19 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Last night it was brought to my attention that Jitsi has decided to become more "zoom" like. > That sucks. Moreover, and I've noticed this as well, their free instance's performance is all over the place.. some meetings the performance is spot on, other meetings, like last night, it was not so great. > > There should be zero barriers to people joining the meeting. > > To this end, I'm going to explore what it's going to take to stand up my own Jitsi instance. Likely hosted in some cloud provider with possibly a nice DNS entry. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > Cache content lost > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > Cache content lost > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > Cache content lost

Oct. 14, 2023

Re: Debian 12 networking

by Mike Long

Tim, Thanks for your reply. I'm working with an RPI4 with Debian 12 installed as a hobby server. Since ifconfig is being depreciated on Debian I was determined to learn how to use ip. I eventually found this cheat sheet https://access.redhat.com/sites/default/files/attachments/rh_ip_command_che… I was able to manually configure eth0 for network connectivity. Next I did an apt update, apt upgrade successfully. This eliminated the "filtering via arp/ip/ip6tables" error. Now I can continue troubleshooting why network stopped working. This is what I get from sudo systemctl status networking.service × networking.service - Raise network interfaces Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/networking.service; enabled; preset: enabled) Active: failed (Result: signal) since Fri 2023-10-13 21:01:56 UTC; 7min ago Docs: man:interfaces(5) Process: 1463 ExecStart=/sbin/ifup -a --read-environment (code=killed, signal=BUS) Process: 1464 ExecStopPost=/usr/bin/touch /run/network/restart-hotplug (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) Main PID: 1463 (code=killed, signal=BUS) CPU: 8ms Oct 13 21:01:56 rpi4-20230918 systemd[1]: Starting networking.service - Raise network interfaces... Oct 13 21:01:56 rpi4-20230918 systemd[1]: networking.service: Main process exited, code=killed, status=7/BUS Oct 13 21:01:56 rpi4-20230918 touch[1464]: /usr/bin/touch: cannot touch '/run/network/restart-hotplug': No such file or directory Oct 13 21:01:56 rpi4-20230918 systemd[1]: networking.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE Oct 13 21:01:56 rpi4-20230918 systemd[1]: networking.service: Failed with result 'signal'. Oct 13 21:01:56 rpi4-20230918 systemd[1]: Failed to start networking.service - Raise network interfaces. Thanks, Mike On 10/12/23 14:57, Tim Keller wrote: > Mike, > > You might want to start by installing the package "net-tools" and > "wireless-tools"; these two packages will get you the "ifconfig" > command as well as the "iwconfig" command. so you can see what the > network is doing. > I'm old school and while I've learned to use the "ip" commands, my > hands naturally want to type "ifconfig -a". > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 7:59 PM Mike Long via WLUG > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > I installed Debian 12 on a PI4. I got rtl_433 working and > receiving data > while connected to the pi4 using ssh. Once that was accomplished I > rebooted via "sudo shutdown -r now" to verify that all the settings > would survive a reboot. When the pi rebooted it was no longer > available > on the network. I connected to the pi4 console directly and received > this message at the login screen "filtering via arp/ip/ip6tables > is no > longer available by default". > > I am new to debian and not having ifconfig available is a real > handicap > for me. Can someone please offer some advice or point me to resources > that will help me fix this issue. Searching the internet has not > offered > any helpful resources so far. > > Thanks, > > Mike > > Cache content lost > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 13, 2023

Re: Jitsi..

by Tim Keller

Microcenter is showing them available on Oct. 23rd. My plan was to drive there directly before going to work and just be waiting at the door and buy one. Yeah, watching some video's I see the same stuff.. that starting with the pi4, you need active cooling.. which saddens me a bit. I'm using one to drive my 3d printer, and at this point the pi4 with the fan is louder than the printer.. Tim. On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 2:46 PM Joe Sherman <joesherman1979(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I've been hearing if you haven't already ordered a PI 5 then you won't get > one until the 3rd production batch. Unless you can find a store that bought > for their own stock and they haven't sold out yet. > > Also, the PI 5 specs are a mix of good and bad. Good performance, bad > cooling, and lack of hardware decoding for a bunch of video types. > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2023, 2:17 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> I hear you on the "no agenda" issue. I want to get back to having a >> defined topic and actually doing a presentation and then moving onto the >> general conversation. I think many people when they don't see we have a >> topic, decide not to come. >> >> I'm proposing for the next meeting that I do a talk on the useability of >> the pi5. I'm going to buy one as soon as it comes out and start mucking >> with it. >> I'm actually thinking what I might try to do is make it my daily driver >> at home and see how that goes. >> >> Do people like that idea, think it's terrible? Let me know. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 12:09 PM Joshua Stone < >> joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I didn't notice much of a performance issue with last night's meeting. >>> If anything, the meetings are hard to follow from Jitsi now that most >>> people are joining the meetings in-person but there isn't an agenda or some >>> other signifier for what the topic is. >>> >>> The open-ended conversation format is fine, but doesn't always translate >>> well for anyone joining virtually. >>> >>> One of the nice things about Jitsi Meet is that you can screenshare a >>> slideshow for people to follow, but that doesn't seem to be leveraged. >>> >>> That being said, I would be all for a self-hosted Jitsi! Joining a >>> meeting would be really convenient if it was as simple as clicking on: >>> >>> https://meet.wlug.org >>> >>> - Josh >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 11:19 AM Tim Keller via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Last night it was brought to my attention that Jitsi has decided to >>>> become more "zoom" like. >>>> That sucks. Moreover, and I've noticed this as well, their free >>>> instance's performance is all over the place.. some meetings the >>>> performance is spot on, other meetings, like last night, it was not so >>>> great. >>>> >>>> There should be zero barriers to people joining the meeting. >>>> >>>> To this end, I'm going to explore what it's going to take to stand up >>>> my own Jitsi instance. Likely hosted in some cloud provider with possibly a >>>> nice DNS entry. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Tim. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>>> constituents as "consumers". >>>> Cache content lost >>> >>> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> Cache content lost > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 13, 2023

Re: Jitsi..

by Joe Sherman

I've been hearing if you haven't already ordered a PI 5 then you won't get one until the 3rd production batch. Unless you can find a store that bought for their own stock and they haven't sold out yet. Also, the PI 5 specs are a mix of good and bad. Good performance, bad cooling, and lack of hardware decoding for a bunch of video types. On Fri, Oct 13, 2023, 2:17 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I hear you on the "no agenda" issue. I want to get back to having a > defined topic and actually doing a presentation and then moving onto the > general conversation. I think many people when they don't see we have a > topic, decide not to come. > > I'm proposing for the next meeting that I do a talk on the useability of > the pi5. I'm going to buy one as soon as it comes out and start mucking > with it. > I'm actually thinking what I might try to do is make it my daily driver at > home and see how that goes. > > Do people like that idea, think it's terrible? Let me know. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 12:09 PM Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I didn't notice much of a performance issue with last night's meeting. If >> anything, the meetings are hard to follow from Jitsi now that most people >> are joining the meetings in-person but there isn't an agenda or some other >> signifier for what the topic is. >> >> The open-ended conversation format is fine, but doesn't always translate >> well for anyone joining virtually. >> >> One of the nice things about Jitsi Meet is that you can screenshare a >> slideshow for people to follow, but that doesn't seem to be leveraged. >> >> That being said, I would be all for a self-hosted Jitsi! Joining a >> meeting would be really convenient if it was as simple as clicking on: >> >> https://meet.wlug.org >> >> - Josh >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 11:19 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Last night it was brought to my attention that Jitsi has decided to >>> become more "zoom" like. >>> That sucks. Moreover, and I've noticed this as well, their free >>> instance's performance is all over the place.. some meetings the >>> performance is spot on, other meetings, like last night, it was not so >>> great. >>> >>> There should be zero barriers to people joining the meeting. >>> >>> To this end, I'm going to explore what it's going to take to stand up my >>> own Jitsi instance. Likely hosted in some cloud provider with possibly a >>> nice DNS entry. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Tim. >>> >>> -- >>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> constituents as "consumers". >>> Cache content lost >> >> > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > Cache content lost

Oct. 13, 2023

Re: Jitsi..

by Tim Keller

I hear you on the "no agenda" issue. I want to get back to having a defined topic and actually doing a presentation and then moving onto the general conversation. I think many people when they don't see we have a topic, decide not to come. I'm proposing for the next meeting that I do a talk on the useability of the pi5. I'm going to buy one as soon as it comes out and start mucking with it. I'm actually thinking what I might try to do is make it my daily driver at home and see how that goes. Do people like that idea, think it's terrible? Let me know. Thanks, Tim. On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 12:09 PM Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I didn't notice much of a performance issue with last night's meeting. If > anything, the meetings are hard to follow from Jitsi now that most people > are joining the meetings in-person but there isn't an agenda or some other > signifier for what the topic is. > > The open-ended conversation format is fine, but doesn't always translate > well for anyone joining virtually. > > One of the nice things about Jitsi Meet is that you can screenshare a > slideshow for people to follow, but that doesn't seem to be leveraged. > > That being said, I would be all for a self-hosted Jitsi! Joining a meeting > would be really convenient if it was as simple as clicking on: > > https://meet.wlug.org > > - Josh > > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 11:19 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Last night it was brought to my attention that Jitsi has decided to >> become more "zoom" like. >> That sucks. Moreover, and I've noticed this as well, their free >> instance's performance is all over the place.. some meetings the >> performance is spot on, other meetings, like last night, it was not so >> great. >> >> There should be zero barriers to people joining the meeting. >> >> To this end, I'm going to explore what it's going to take to stand up my >> own Jitsi instance. Likely hosted in some cloud provider with possibly a >> nice DNS entry. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> Cache content lost > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 13, 2023

Re: Jitsi..

by Joshua Stone

I didn't notice much of a performance issue with last night's meeting. If anything, the meetings are hard to follow from Jitsi now that most people are joining the meetings in-person but there isn't an agenda or some other signifier for what the topic is. The open-ended conversation format is fine, but doesn't always translate well for anyone joining virtually. One of the nice things about Jitsi Meet is that you can screenshare a slideshow for people to follow, but that doesn't seem to be leveraged. That being said, I would be all for a self-hosted Jitsi! Joining a meeting would be really convenient if it was as simple as clicking on: https://meet.wlug.org - Josh On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 11:19 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Last night it was brought to my attention that Jitsi has decided to become > more "zoom" like. > That sucks. Moreover, and I've noticed this as well, their free instance's > performance is all over the place.. some meetings the performance is spot > on, other meetings, like last night, it was not so great. > > There should be zero barriers to people joining the meeting. > > To this end, I'm going to explore what it's going to take to stand up my > own Jitsi instance. Likely hosted in some cloud provider with possibly a > nice DNS entry. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > Cache content lost

Oct. 13, 2023

Jitsi..

by Tim Keller

Last night it was brought to my attention that Jitsi has decided to become more "zoom" like. That sucks. Moreover, and I've noticed this as well, their free instance's performance is all over the place.. some meetings the performance is spot on, other meetings, like last night, it was not so great. There should be zero barriers to people joining the meeting. To this end, I'm going to explore what it's going to take to stand up my own Jitsi instance. Likely hosted in some cloud provider with possibly a nice DNS entry. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 13, 2023

Re: Reminder! Meeting tomorrow @ 7pm @ Technocopia!

by Joel

Bummed that I could not make it. Hope to see you next month. Joel On October 13, 2023 9:17:19 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Last night's meeting was great! > > We got Matt setup with a macbook running Ubuntu, got into the weeds talking about SSSD and rounded it out with some talk about the pi5. > > Kevin then showed off the Eagle file browser. > > Hopefully next month we'll have a pi5 to do some hands on screwing around with! > > Later, > Tim. > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 6:47 PM Patrick McEvilly via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > It’s tonight. Tim corrected it on Meetup. > >> On Oct 12, 2023, at 6:37 PM, Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> Is the meeting tonight? I got a Meetup notice that said Friday. >> >> -- >> Rich >> >> On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 11:45 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> Hey gang, >> >> We've got a meeting tomorrow. I'm dying to talking about the pi5, but rudely those chaps from the U.K. decided to release it at the end of the month! >> >> Later, >> Tim. >> >> >> >> >> Cache content lostCache content lost > Cache content lost > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > Cache content lost

Oct. 13, 2023

Re: Reminder! Meeting tomorrow @ 7pm @ Technocopia!

by Tim Keller

Last night's meeting was great! We got Matt setup with a macbook running Ubuntu, got into the weeds talking about SSSD and rounded it out with some talk about the pi5. Kevin then showed off the Eagle file browser. Hopefully next month we'll have a pi5 to do some hands on screwing around with! Later, Tim. On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 6:47 PM Patrick McEvilly via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > It’s tonight. Tim corrected it on Meetup. > > On Oct 12, 2023, at 6:37 PM, Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > Is the meeting tonight? I got a Meetup notice that said Friday. > > -- > Rich > > On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 11:45 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Hey gang, >> >> We've got a meeting tomorrow. I'm dying to talking about the pi5, but >> rudely those chaps from the U.K. decided to release it at the end of the >> month! >> >> Later, >> Tim. >> >> >> >> >> Cache content lost > > Cache content lost > > Cache content lost -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 13, 2023

Re: Reminder! Meeting tomorrow @ 7pm @ Technocopia!

by Patrick McEvilly

Oct. 12, 2023

Re: Reminder! Meeting tomorrow @ 7pm @ Technocopia!

by Richard Klein

Is the meeting tonight? I got a Meetup notice that said Friday. -- Rich On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 11:45 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey gang, > > We've got a meeting tomorrow. I'm dying to talking about the pi5, but > rudely those chaps from the U.K. decided to release it at the end of the > month! > > Later, > Tim. > > > > > Cache content lost

Oct. 12, 2023

Re: Debian 12 networking

by Tim Keller

Mike, You might want to start by installing the package "net-tools" and "wireless-tools"; these two packages will get you the "ifconfig" command as well as the "iwconfig" command. so you can see what the network is doing. I'm old school and while I've learned to use the "ip" commands, my hands naturally want to type "ifconfig -a". Thanks, Tim. On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 7:59 PM Mike Long via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I installed Debian 12 on a PI4. I got rtl_433 working and receiving data > while connected to the pi4 using ssh. Once that was accomplished I > rebooted via "sudo shutdown -r now" to verify that all the settings > would survive a reboot. When the pi rebooted it was no longer available > on the network. I connected to the pi4 console directly and received > this message at the login screen "filtering via arp/ip/ip6tables is no > longer available by default". > > I am new to debian and not having ifconfig available is a real handicap > for me. Can someone please offer some advice or point me to resources > that will help me fix this issue. Searching the internet has not offered > any helpful resources so far. > > Thanks, > > Mike > > Cache content lost > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 12, 2023

Reminder! Meeting tomorrow @ 7pm @ Technocopia!

by Tim Keller

Hey gang, We've got a meeting tomorrow. I'm dying to talking about the pi5, but rudely those chaps from the U.K. decided to release it at the end of the month! Later, Tim.

Oct. 12, 2023

Debian 12 networking

by Mike Long

I installed Debian 12 on a PI4. I got rtl_433 working and receiving data while connected to the pi4 using ssh. Once that was accomplished I rebooted via "sudo shutdown -r now" to verify that all the settings would survive a reboot. When the pi rebooted it was no longer available on the network. I connected to the pi4 console directly and received this message at the login screen "filtering via arp/ip/ip6tables is no longer available by default". I am new to debian and not having ifconfig available is a real handicap for me. Can someone please offer some advice or point me to resources that will help me fix this issue. Searching the internet has not offered any helpful resources so far. Thanks, Mike

Oct. 11, 2023

Re: DWG to ... well anything else

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Ben" == Ben Higgins via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > So we have directory after directory of AutoCAD DWG files of the > various floors of the campus. Beyond *creating* the floorplans, we > have no use for AutoCAD - all our applications work better with high > quality PNG or vector PDF files. > I've been playing with Pipelines and jobs in GitLab recently, and > I'm looking for a way to convert a DWG file to something more usable > in my automation. Pretty much if a user checks in the updated DWG, > it's exported to PNG and scp'd to our patch database server. Have you looked at Linux libreDWG maybe? Or if you're willing to spend money, there are cloud companies that do conversions for you to svg. > I was trying QCad as there is a reference of dxf2png - but it keeps > crashing in my instance of Fedora. And have you tried LibreCAD or OpenSCAD to read in the file and then export in another format? John

Oct. 8, 2023

Re: October meeting reminder!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Our next wlug meeting is going to be on Oct 12th 2023 at Technocopia. Sorry, I won't be able to make it this month. Have fun guys!

Oct. 8, 2023

Re: DWG to ... well anything else

by Joel

Hi, Supported lots of CAD in a prior life. CAD users almost never convert file types, when they do they loose part and timeline data. Autocad always used to offer free CAD file viewer applications which work very well. Hope it helps, Joel On October 6, 2023 5:41:04 PM Ben Higgins via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > So we have directory after directory of AutoCAD DWG files of the various floors of the campus. Beyond *creating* the floorplans, we have no use for AutoCAD - all our applications work better with high quality PNG or vector PDF files. > > I've been playing with Pipelines and jobs in GitLab recently, and I'm looking for a way to convert a DWG file to something more usable in my automation. Pretty much if a user checks in the updated DWG, it's exported to PNG and scp'd to our patch database server. > > I was trying QCad as there is a reference of dxf2png - but it keeps crashing in my instance of Fedora. > > Any thoughts? > > Benjamin J. Higgins > 504 Carpenter Road > Whitinsville, MA 01588 > > t: 508.266.0155 c: 617.615.6442 e: logicallyrogue(a)gmail.com > ________________________________ > This e-mail may contain confidential information, may be protected by applicable privileges, and may constitute non-public information. It is intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s) of the message. If you are not an intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender. Unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful._______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/OOO3K…

Oct. 7, 2023

DWG to ... well anything else

by Ben Higgins

So we have directory after directory of AutoCAD DWG files of the various floors of the campus. Beyond *creating* the floorplans, we have no use for AutoCAD - all our applications work better with high quality PNG or vector PDF files. I've been playing with Pipelines and jobs in GitLab recently, and I'm looking for a way to convert a DWG file to something more usable in my automation. Pretty much if a user checks in the updated DWG, it's exported to PNG and scp'd to our patch database server. I was trying QCad as there is a reference of dxf2png - but it keeps crashing in my instance of Fedora. Any thoughts? Benjamin J. Higgins 504 Carpenter Road Whitinsville, MA 01588 t: 508.266.0155 c: 617.615.6442 e: logicallyrogue(a)gmail.com ________________________________ This e-mail may contain confidential information, may be protected by applicable privileges, and may constitute non-public information. It is intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s) of the message. If you are not an intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender. Unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful.

Oct. 6, 2023

October meeting reminder!

by Tim Keller

Our next wlug meeting is going to be on Oct 12th 2023 at Technocopia. Topic: TBD! Time: 7pm Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 6, 2023

Re: Progress report or failing trdst

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>> Absolutely! And helping Keith with his home network migration. >> >> If you want the latest news on that, see: >> http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/wired.html > Actually to see the latest news you have to wait until I write it > and until I get the web server working. > I think I have the mail server sort of working. > If you can read this I have a postfix mail server mostly working > on a Virtual Private Server rented from Afterburst > https://afterburst.com/ Congrats! > If I can read, even better. This is a test. I got it here at home, nice work!

Oct. 2, 2023

Progress report or failing trdst

by Keith Wright

> John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> Absolutely! And helping Keith with his home network migration. > > If you want the latest news on that, see: > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/wired.html Actually to see the latest news you have to wait until I write it and until I get the web server working. I think I have the mail server sort of working. If you can read this I have a postfix mail server mostly working on a Virtual Private Server rented from Afterburst https://afterburst.com/ If I can read, even better. This is a test. -- Keith

Oct. 1, 2023

Re: Next Meeting Sept 14th 2023 Location: Technocopia!

by Keith Wright

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Absolutely! And helping Keith with his home network migration. If you want the latest news on that, see: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/wired.html I expect to be "there" via jit.si -- Keith

Sept. 14, 2023

Re: Next Meeting Sept 14th 2023 Location: Technocopia!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > We've got a meeting this week at Technocopia! > Time: 7pm > Date: September 14, 2023 > Location: Technocopia > 44 Portland Street 6th Floor > Worcester MA. > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA I'll be there tonight. I'll try bring my laptop and talk about getting the Arduino software to use the megaTinyCore from Spence Konde to use to program one of the newer AVR 1604 chips. It was my first surface mount soldering job too! Who knows if it works... LOL! > Topic: Good question! Let me know what you want to talk about! > I'm always afraid we won't have anything to talk about and then we > end up talking for 2 hours!! We can definitely talk about Linux > Kernel 6.6, Intel downfall bug and other stuff. Absolutely! And helping Keith with his home network migration. > We'll head off for dinner afterwards and continue the conversation. > Snacks and refreshments will be provided!

Sept. 14, 2023

Next Meeting Sept 14th 2023 Location: Technocopia!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting this week at Technocopia! Time: 7pm Date: September 14, 2023 Location: Technocopia 44 Portland Street 6th Floor Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Good question! Let me know what you want to talk about! I'm always afraid we won't have anything to talk about and then we end up talking for 2 hours!! We can definitely talk about Linux Kernel 6.6, Intel downfall bug and other stuff. We'll head off for dinner afterwards and continue the conversation. Snacks and refreshments will be provided! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 12, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>> Right. That would be nice. I have been working on it, >>> and working on documenting it. Not done, but here: >> >>> http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/final.html#spectrum >> >> Great that you've got the cable modem working so far. Can you get an >> IP from it yet? > A (meagre) progress report has been appended to the same place: > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/final.html#spectrum So I wonder if Spectrum wants you to use the new cable modem to activate? And also, which browser are you running? Chrome or Firefox should be just fine here... but you never know. > My current questions relate to the way DHCP (Dynamic Host Config.) > and NAT (Network Address Translation) and static IP addresses should > work together (or at least not against each other). So you're not going to get a static IP address at home. It might *seem* to be static since it doesn't move or change often, but it can and will. I use DynDNS for my dnyamic external DNS needs. I really should do something else, but I've been lazy. As for NAT, it should be setup by default for your new Charter Spectrum setup. But only for outgoing connections. Incoming might be more difficult, but it depends on what kind of access you have to the router behind the cable modem. You said you got a Wifi device, can you post a model number? I strongly suspect it's a firewall/four port switch/wifi access point all in one. And depending on which model is is... you might have full control over it. I personally run OPNsense at home on my own hardware, and totally seperate Wifi hardware. But I'm a masochist at times. For an initial setup, what they've given you should be just fine. > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/final.html#specsoft > What should I read? Nothing yet, let's work on getting your new Spectrum connection working first, then you can go the next step. 1. plug you laptop into one of the ethernet ports on the new firewall. I suspect you have it cabled like this: Street ==> cable ==> cable modem --> rj45 --> wifi/router/switch So plug your laptop into the last item and see if you get assigned an IP address using DHCP. You might need to turn it on on your laptop if you have it already turned off because you do static IPs at home. Just looking to get an IP on there (also, turn OFF your laptop wifi for now) and confirm that the cable modem part is working. They might have a pre-printed wifi SSID and password on the wifi/router/switch, so you could use that info as well to get an IP address and then confirm your new cable modem is working. John

Sept. 12, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Keith Wright

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> Right. That would be nice. I have been working on it, >> and working on documenting it. Not done, but here: > >> http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/final.html#spectrum > > Great that you've got the cable modem working so far. Can you get an > IP from it yet? A (meagre) progress report has been appended to the same place: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/final.html#spectrum My current questions relate to the way DHCP (Dynamic Host Config.) and NAT (Network Address Translation) and static IP addresses should work together (or at least not against each other). http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/final.html#specsoft What should I read? -- Keith

Sept. 12, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> writes: > John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> I've been mulling over this email from you all week and trying to work >> up a reply that will help solve your issues. > Thank you for caring and thinking about me, but... >> having one or more of us come to your house >> would be a quicker solution here. > That will not be necessary. Great, just wanted to offer since sometimes in person is better than remote support. But you're a smart guy. :-) > Right. That would be nice. I have been working on it, > and working on documenting it. Not done, but here: > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/final.html#spectrum Great that you've got the cable modem working so far. Can you get an IP from it yet? >> Running ethernet or Wifi through the rest of the house >> is just icing on the cake. > A ran ethernet through the house decades ago: Excellent! >> So this is where having a VPS (Virtual Private Server) in the cloud >> running linux is a solution. > That's why I asked this list whether anyone had experience with Afterburt. I haven't used them at all. I gave you my opinion on other vendors out there. I look forward to hearing your report on how it all goes. One thing I've been looking into is using Ansible to setup my mail server in the cloud, so that I have a repeatable setup, and so I can also 1. clone it easily to home for backups 2. move it easily to another provider if need be, without having to remember all my customizations. It's easier said than done! > Finally, I did what I have done so many times in the past when > the internet connection did not work. > I power-cycled the DSL modem --- all better. > Now who'll stop the rain? Yeah, rain used to make my home phone line goto hell, and with all the rain we've got this year, I wouldn't doubt it's even flakier now.

Sept. 12, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Keith Wright

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I've been mulling over this email from you all week and trying to work > up a reply that will help solve your issues. Thank you for caring and thinking about me, but... > having one or more of us come to your house > would be a quicker solution here. That will not be necessary. > I think you're options are cable modem. Yes, much as I hate Television, I must admit that coax cable is a good transmission medium. > Just disconnect everything. Nothing was connected to begin. > So once you have signal and you can get on the internet, > that issue is mostly solved. Right. That would be nice. I have been working on it, and working on documenting it. Not done, but here: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/final.html#spectrum > Running ethernet or Wifi through the rest of the house > is just icing on the cake. A ran ethernet through the house decades ago: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/wireless.html#diagram > So this is where having a VPS (Virtual Private Server) in the cloud > running linux is a solution. That's why I asked this list whether anyone had experience with Afterburt. http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/final.html#after If nobody tells me not to do it (with reasons that I believe) I will get a VPS from them as soon as Spectrum works. I was working on it today. All hell broke; nothing worked, not the new stuff, and not the DSL that has been working (mostly) for years. I spent a frantic hour undoing everything, nothing helped. Finally, I did what I have done so many times in the past when the internet connection did not work. I power-cycled the DSL modem --- all better. Now who'll stop the rain? -- Keith

Sept. 12, 2023

Re: Gridfinity open source organization..

by Tim Keller

So far I printed out a 2x4 base plate and a couple smaller containers. I love the idea that the system is totally open and there are step files available so you can expand on it. between copious amounts of ikea skadis pegboard and my tool chest I think I can organize my tools in a way where I can adhere to the Adam Savage rule of first retrieval. Since we have a meeting this Thursday, this can be yet something else to talk about. Tim. On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 8:23 PM Joe Sherman via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I've been following the gridfinity saga for some time now. There are > actually a lot more designs available on some of the 3d print sharing sites > too. > > There are also a few other projects with the same concept, I've also > looked at hexagon based one. > > If I could just get my z-axis on my 3d printer stable maybe I could > actually print some. > > On Sun, Sep 10, 2023, 5:36 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> This isn't related to linux, but definitely cool. >> I've been working on getting my tools all organized and I came across >> gridfinity.xyz >> >> I thought others might find it interesting as well. >> Later, >> Tim. >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FRTAR… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VZLYS… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 11, 2023

Re: Gridfinity open source organization..

by Joe Sherman

I've been following the gridfinity saga for some time now. There are actually a lot more designs available on some of the 3d print sharing sites too. There are also a few other projects with the same concept, I've also looked at hexagon based one. If I could just get my z-axis on my 3d printer stable maybe I could actually print some. On Sun, Sep 10, 2023, 5:36 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > This isn't related to linux, but definitely cool. > I've been working on getting my tools all organized and I came across > gridfinity.xyz > > I thought others might find it interesting as well. > Later, > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FRTAR… >

Sept. 11, 2023

Gridfinity open source organization..

by Tim Keller

This isn't related to linux, but definitely cool. I've been working on getting my tools all organized and I came across gridfinity.xyz I thought others might find it interesting as well. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 10, 2023