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Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 68, Issue 3

by Doug Mildram

I'll be there tonite, plus I'll offer to host the BBQ (Boylston MA, 15-20min from worcester, near northborough/berlin/clinton/hudsonMA) doug and the dogs (my wife wouldnt mind but I think she'll be away that week) >In addition, we need to finalize our plans for the annual WLUG BBQ which > >is currently scheduled for Thursday, July 23rd. I am hopeful that > >someone will be willing to host this event, and bring mass quantities, > and...

June 18, 2009

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting Thursday 7:00 PM

by Dick Goodman

Andy, I had talked about possibly hosting the picnic --- perhaps next year. My son is getting married on July 26th, and we'll already have out of town guests in by the 23rd Was looking forward to the meeting, except it conflicts with dancing lessons (so I don't look like a fool at the wedding) Dick >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Hi everybody, > > >In addition, we need to finalize our plans for the annual WLUG BBQ which >is currently scheduled for Thursday, July 23rd. I am hopeful that >someone will be willing to host this event. It has been very successful >in previous years. If interested, please send me email and/or come to >the meeting. > >I look forward to seeing you on Thursday! > >Andy > >- -- >Andy Stewart, Founder >Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) >Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) >Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > >iD8DBQFKOacFOjiraCaOTOoRAvycAJwPeYxJ/m8Yama/Lk/fKQVM1JQSYQCgsWkb >jy8TpJngqTWS8yYEcxlegZw= >=HOX6 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 18, 2009

REMINDER: Meeting Thursday 7:00 PM

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everybody, Our next meeting will be held on Thursday, June 18th, 2009 at 7:00 PM at the Access Grid Room on the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. All are welcome to attend. Our guest speaker will be Shankar Viswanathan who will talk about the Open Street Map project. This promises to be a great talk that you won't want to miss! Afterwards, we'll go out for pizza and soda and the usual camaraderie that always accompanies us to that local establishment. In addition, we need to finalize our plans for the annual WLUG BBQ which is currently scheduled for Thursday, July 23rd. I am hopeful that someone will be willing to host this event. It has been very successful in previous years. If interested, please send me email and/or come to the meeting. I look forward to seeing you on Thursday! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKOacFOjiraCaOTOoRAvycAJwPeYxJ/m8Yama/Lk/fKQVM1JQSYQCgsWkb jy8TpJngqTWS8yYEcxlegZw= =HOX6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 18, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Good price for Nokia N810

by soup

Clint Moyer wrote: > With word out that the N900 will be released RSN, the price of the N810 has dropped. $180 at buy.com. > I've been eyeing this thing for a long time but haven't had a chance to play with one. How are the speeds for SSH? Web browsing? Between the nokias and the pandora (if it ever comes out), MIBs are finally becoming interesting in features AND price. Take care, soup

June 15, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Good price for Nokia N810

by J.R. Mauro

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:51 PM, soup<soupforare(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Clint Moyer wrote: >> With word out that the N900 will be released RSN, the price of the N810 has dropped. $180 at buy.com. >> > I've been eyeing this thing for a long time but haven't had a chance to > play with one. How are the speeds for SSH? Web browsing? delicious > Between the nokias and the pandora (if it ever comes out), MIBs are > finally becoming interesting in features AND price. > > Take care, > soup > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 15, 2009

Good price for Nokia N810

by Clint Moyer

With word out that the N900 will be released RSN, the price of the N810 has dropped. $180 at buy.com. http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-n810-internet-tablet-full-pull-out-qwerty-key…

June 15, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Time and Date Stamp on Traceroute?

by E Johnson

Thanks guys > Traceroute is not the proper tool to ascertain the bandwidth available. Chuck, I am not using traceroute to determine bandwidth Just using that at selected times because it shows all the hops to the designted IP in milliseconds, which often reveals a big delay in one of the hops. Have to show the ISP that the bottleneck is in their stations and not farther out in the internet. > Even traceroute packet loss doesn't necessarily indicate a problem, since the lower priority of the ICMP or UDP traceroute packets means they might get dropped intentionally if the router is busy processing real traffic. Where is this lower priority determined? > If the ISP is asking you for a traceroute... ISP is not asking me for a traceroute. ISP is asking me to prove how poorly their 20 mb/s internet (which I am testing) "works." They want me to buy this service permanently at a $25 increase over my usual rate for the 10 Mb/s service I usually subscribe to --which isn't usually anywhere near 10 Mb/s either. Meanwhile, I want them to fix the poor-bandwidth problem we've had here for 4 1/2 years. Also meanwhile, during the times of worst bandwidth here, I find very-long latency times in the ISP's closest hops here. For whatever reason these are happening, I think they should see that. What I am doing is trying to assemble as many tools with as much info as possible, in order to communicate this problem to them. > If you really want to test the performance of your connection, you need two well-defined endpoints, such as your PC and a server at your ISP, both running software designed for this purpose. I am also using the server at the ISP which they recommended, using a little gui they have for this purpose. Typical bandwidth today between 12 PM and 2 PM was running between 9 Mb/s and 14 Mb/s, on the service that's supposed to give me 20 Mb/s. Thanks for the other recommendations & ideas, I will check them out & read the recommended pages. Liz J

June 6, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Time and Date Stamp on Traceroute?

by Chuck Anderson

On Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 01:42:38PM -0400, E Johnson wrote: > Does anyone know a quick command I can use to add a time and date stamp to > traceroute? Is this not enough? date; traceroute foo > I need a quick app (nothing that generates a significant amount of network > traffic) --where I can enter one command in terminal which will display a > printout of a traceroute, to show the ISP or to show the tech in real-time > when he comes out. The one I send the ISP needs the time/date in order to be > effectively convincing to them. If the ISP is asking you for a traceroute, then they would know that no standard traceroute programs out there actually have a built-in date/time stamp functionality. "tracert" and "pathping" on Windows don't add a time stamp that I know of. Running "date" followed by "traceroute" should be enough. Put it in a shell script so you can invoke it as a single command if you want. There is a nicer traceroute for Linux called "Matt's Traceroute" or mtr. It prints some additional information like packet loss as well as a date/time at the top of the screen. It uses an ncurses full-screen interactive interface. > We're supposed to get 20,000 kb/s (up) here, and quite often, we're > not, even with very low internet use in the PCs I'm running here. > Even the download speed's choking... seems like something big right > close is often are clogging the pipe. Traceroute I'm doing is only > going from here to Cambridge. Traceroute is not the proper tool to ascertain the bandwidth available. Traceroute tells you which route the packets take, and the "latency" given by each hop is not an accurate indicator of anything really. Traceroute packets are often processed in software by the routers along the path, often at a lower priority and rate limited compared to "real" traffic that they route, so the numbers they give for latency are not useful, and certainly can't be used to tell you the bandwidth of a connection. Even traceroute packet loss doesn't necessarily indicate a problem, since the lower priority of the ICMP or UDP traceroute packets means they might get dropped intentionally if the router is busy processing real traffic. If you really want to test the performance of your connection, you need two well-defined endpoints, such as your PC and a server at your ISP, both running software designed for this purpose. Common software used for performance testing is ttcp, netperf, iperf. Here is some more useful information about the topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwidth_test

June 6, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Time and Date Stamp on Traceroute?

by J.R. Mauro

On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:42 PM, E Johnson<iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Does anyone know a quick command I can use to add a time and date stamp to > traceroute? Traceroute-nanog. It may be hard to find the original source. Try looking for the debian package online, and on the right hand side of the website, there should be a source tarball. I tried finding the "aces.com" site where it's supposed to be available, but no such luck. I imaging the debian way is the way to go. > Man page for traceroute doesn't seem to have that option. > > Or is there a similar traceroute-type app that does incorporate this > function? > > I need a quick app (nothing that generates a significant amount of network > traffic) --where I can enter one command in terminal which will display a > printout of a traceroute, to show the ISP or to show the tech in real-time > when he comes out. The one I send the ISP needs the time/date in order to be > effectively convincing to them. We're supposed to get 20,000 kb/s (up) here, > and quite often, we're not, even with very low internet use in the PCs I'm > running here. Even the download speed's choking... seems like something big > right close is often are clogging the pipe. Traceroute I'm doing is only > going from here to Cambridge. > > I did install a couple of other traceroute-type apps (such as tcptraceroute) > but their man pages didn't seem to show this capability either. I liked > tcptraceroute because it has a "don't fragment" option. Would like to > time/date-stamp that. > > Thanks, > Liz J > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

June 6, 2009

Time and Date Stamp on Traceroute?

by E Johnson

Does anyone know a quick command I can use to add a time and date stamp to traceroute? Man page for traceroute doesn't seem to have that option. Or is there a similar traceroute-type app that does incorporate this function? I need a quick app (nothing that generates a significant amount of network traffic) --where I can enter one command in terminal which will display a printout of a traceroute, to show the ISP or to show the tech in real-time when he comes out. The one I send the ISP needs the time/date in order to be effectively convincing to them. We're supposed to get 20,000 kb/s (up) here, and quite often, we're not, even with very low internet use in the PCs I'm running here. Even the download speed's choking... seems like something big right close is often are clogging the pipe. Traceroute I'm doing is only going from here to Cambridge. I did install a couple of other traceroute-type apps (such as tcptraceroute) but their man pages didn't seem to show this capability either. I liked tcptraceroute because it has a "don't fragment" option. Would like to time/date-stamp that. Thanks, Liz J

June 6, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Log Rotation (Snapshot)

by Theo Van Dinter

Maybe it's just me, but rsync would probably do the right thing for you unless you have incredibly large logs and/or are already dealing with large amounts of i/o, etc. Otherwise, it's not hard to manually do something like ... $current_log file is $X bytes and $snapshot_log file is $Y bytes, so if $Y > $X just seek($Y) and grab the remainder of the file. The biggest issue is knowing when you need to start over. ie: if the log file is rotated out, then you can't just go by size but may have to validate log contents or whatever. If you write out logs in append-only mode, then the above method works fine. On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Tal Cohen <wlug(a)cohen123.com> wrote: > Guys, thanks for all the replies. In the end it looks like I will just end > up doing regular log rotation. > > That said, I still think it is an interesting question: How to maintain > snapshots of logs without both truncating them when taking the snapshot, and > without putting excessive load on the system. Any thoughts? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Chuck Anderson > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 10:24 AM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Log Rotation (Snapshot) > > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 08:40:08AM -0400, Jason Couture wrote: >> Ive always just written a script to append the log file to a file name >> messages.MMDDYY.log and then delete the log file. and then created an >> init script to run it at boot time. That way everything is neatly >> sorted for later viewing, and i can delete the ones i no longer need >> manually. > > logrotate does this automatically: > > /etc/logrotate.conf: > > # see "man logrotate" for details > # rotate log files weekly > weekly > > # keep 4 weeks worth of backlogs > rotate 4 > > # create new (empty) log files after rotating old ones create > > # use date as a suffix of the rotated file dateext > > # uncomment this if you want your log files compressed #compress > > # RPM packages drop log rotation information into this directory include > /etc/logrotate.d > > # no packages own wtmp and btmp -- we'll rotate them here /var/log/wtmp { > monthly > create 0664 root utmp > minsize 1M > rotate 1 > } > > /var/log/btmp { > missingok > monthly > create 0600 root utmp > rotate 1 > } > > # system-specific logs may be also be configured here. > > /etc/logrotate.d/syslog: > > /var/log/messages /var/log/secure /var/log/maillog /var/log/spooler > /var/log/boot.log /var/log/cron { > sharedscripts > postrotate > /bin/kill -HUP `cat /var/run/syslogd.pid 2> /dev/null` 2> /dev/null > || true > endscript > } > > Resulting rotated log files: > > -rw-r-----. 1 root wheel 703684 2009-05-03 03:42 messages-20090503 > -rw-r-----. 1 root wheel 814677 2009-05-10 11:42 messages-20090510 > -rw-r-----. 1 root wheel 779478 2009-05-17 16:06 messages-20090517 > -rw-r-----. 1 root wheel 721265 2009-05-24 15:03 messages-20090524 > -rw-r-----. 1 root wheel 338888 2009-05-30 10:01 messages > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 31, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Log Rotation (Snapshot)

by J.R. Mauro

Seriously, check out venti. You can delete the logs all you want as long as you do it after the venti backup runs and you'll keep them forever. Venti stores sha1-addressed blocks of data, so multiple copies of the same data take up a smaller amount of space in venti. Also, blocks are LZO compressed for permanent storage. Venti splits the archive into 500MB "arenas" that you can easily burn to CD when full and keep safe. Venti can be read online with several clients with no slowdown, and doing an actual backup (with the vac program) causes virtually no system load increase and only takes a couple of minutes even on things that are appended to a lot (e.g., a maildir that subscribes to LKML). The coolest online-access to a venti server is via vacfs, which will give you a directory tree like this under the mount point: /YYYY/MMDD/path/to/backedup/file You can bind-mount one of the /YYYY/MMDD directories over your current working directory and pretend that it's 2 years ago and access all your files. Only caveat is that it's hard to set up, but I have some scripts. On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Tal Cohen <wlug(a)cohen123.com> wrote: > Guys, thanks for all the replies. In the end it looks like I will just end > up doing regular log rotation. > > That said, I still think it is an interesting question: How to maintain > snapshots of logs without both truncating them when taking the snapshot, and > without putting excessive load on the system. Any thoughts? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Chuck Anderson > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 10:24 AM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Log Rotation (Snapshot) > > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 08:40:08AM -0400, Jason Couture wrote: >> Ive always just written a script to append the log file to a file name >> messages.MMDDYY.log and then delete the log file. and then created an >> init script to run it at boot time. That way everything is neatly >> sorted for later viewing, and i can delete the ones i no longer need >> manually. > > logrotate does this automatically: > > /etc/logrotate.conf: > > # see "man logrotate" for details > # rotate log files weekly > weekly > > # keep 4 weeks worth of backlogs > rotate 4 > > # create new (empty) log files after rotating old ones create > > # use date as a suffix of the rotated file dateext > > # uncomment this if you want your log files compressed #compress > > # RPM packages drop log rotation information into this directory include > /etc/logrotate.d > > # no packages own wtmp and btmp -- we'll rotate them here /var/log/wtmp { > monthly > create 0664 root utmp > minsize 1M > rotate 1 > } > > /var/log/btmp { > missingok > monthly > create 0600 root utmp > rotate 1 > } > > # system-specific logs may be also be configured here. > > /etc/logrotate.d/syslog: > > /var/log/messages /var/log/secure /var/log/maillog /var/log/spooler > /var/log/boot.log /var/log/cron { > sharedscripts > postrotate > /bin/kill -HUP `cat /var/run/syslogd.pid 2> /dev/null` 2> /dev/null > || true > endscript > } > > Resulting rotated log files: > > -rw-r-----. 1 root wheel 703684 2009-05-03 03:42 messages-20090503 > -rw-r-----. 1 root wheel 814677 2009-05-10 11:42 messages-20090510 > -rw-r-----. 1 root wheel 779478 2009-05-17 16:06 messages-20090517 > -rw-r-----. 1 root wheel 721265 2009-05-24 15:03 messages-20090524 > -rw-r-----. 1 root wheel 338888 2009-05-30 10:01 messages > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 30, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Log Rotation (Snapshot)

by Tal Cohen

Guys, thanks for all the replies. In the end it looks like I will just end up doing regular log rotation. That said, I still think it is an interesting question: How to maintain snapshots of logs without both truncating them when taking the snapshot, and without putting excessive load on the system. Any thoughts? -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Anderson Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 10:24 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Log Rotation (Snapshot) On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 08:40:08AM -0400, Jason Couture wrote: > Ive always just written a script to append the log file to a file name > messages.MMDDYY.log and then delete the log file. and then created an > init script to run it at boot time. That way everything is neatly > sorted for later viewing, and i can delete the ones i no longer need > manually. logrotate does this automatically: /etc/logrotate.conf: # see "man logrotate" for details # rotate log files weekly weekly # keep 4 weeks worth of backlogs rotate 4 # create new (empty) log files after rotating old ones create # use date as a suffix of the rotated file dateext # uncomment this if you want your log files compressed #compress # RPM packages drop log rotation information into this directory include /etc/logrotate.d # no packages own wtmp and btmp -- we'll rotate them here /var/log/wtmp { monthly create 0664 root utmp minsize 1M rotate 1 } /var/log/btmp { missingok monthly create 0600 root utmp rotate 1 } # system-specific logs may be also be configured here. /etc/logrotate.d/syslog: /var/log/messages /var/log/secure /var/log/maillog /var/log/spooler /var/log/boot.log /var/log/cron { sharedscripts postrotate /bin/kill -HUP `cat /var/run/syslogd.pid 2> /dev/null` 2> /dev/null || true endscript } Resulting rotated log files: -rw-r-----. 1 root wheel 703684 2009-05-03 03:42 messages-20090503 -rw-r-----. 1 root wheel 814677 2009-05-10 11:42 messages-20090510 -rw-r-----. 1 root wheel 779478 2009-05-17 16:06 messages-20090517 -rw-r-----. 1 root wheel 721265 2009-05-24 15:03 messages-20090524 -rw-r-----. 1 root wheel 338888 2009-05-30 10:01 messages _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

May 30, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Log Rotation (Snapshot)

by Chuck Anderson

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 08:40:08AM -0400, Jason Couture wrote: > Ive always just written a script to append the log file to a file name > messages.MMDDYY.log and then delete the log file. and then created an > init script to run it at boot time. That way everything is neatly > sorted for later viewing, and i can delete the ones i no longer need > manually. logrotate does this automatically: /etc/logrotate.conf: # see "man logrotate" for details # rotate log files weekly weekly # keep 4 weeks worth of backlogs rotate 4 # create new (empty) log files after rotating old ones create # use date as a suffix of the rotated file dateext # uncomment this if you want your log files compressed #compress # RPM packages drop log rotation information into this directory include /etc/logrotate.d # no packages own wtmp and btmp -- we'll rotate them here /var/log/wtmp { monthly create 0664 root utmp minsize 1M rotate 1 } /var/log/btmp { missingok monthly create 0600 root utmp rotate 1 } # system-specific logs may be also be configured here. /etc/logrotate.d/syslog: /var/log/messages /var/log/secure /var/log/maillog /var/log/spooler /var/log/boot.log /var/log/cron { sharedscripts postrotate /bin/kill -HUP `cat /var/run/syslogd.pid 2> /dev/null` 2> /dev/null || true endscript } Resulting rotated log files: -rw-r-----. 1 root wheel 703684 2009-05-03 03:42 messages-20090503 -rw-r-----. 1 root wheel 814677 2009-05-10 11:42 messages-20090510 -rw-r-----. 1 root wheel 779478 2009-05-17 16:06 messages-20090517 -rw-r-----. 1 root wheel 721265 2009-05-24 15:03 messages-20090524 -rw-r-----. 1 root wheel 338888 2009-05-30 10:01 messages

May 30, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Log Rotation (Snapshot)

by Jason Couture

Ive always just written a script to append the log file to a file name messages.MMDDYY.log and then delete the log file. and then created an init script to run it at boot time. That way everything is neatly sorted for later viewing, and i can delete the ones i no longer need manually. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Gregory Boyce <gregory.boyce(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 26, 2009, at 9:31 AM, "Tal Cohen" <wlug(a)cohen123.com> wrote: > > I'm trying to setup a secondary log rotation mechanism on on of my > production systems. > > Right now, the system is setup to rotate logs on a weekly basis. > > In addition to the weekly log rotation, I also need to take hourly > snapshots (i.e. just the deltas between snapshots). > > Is the weekly rotation really needed, or do you just need to retain a > certain amount of data? > Switching to hourly rotation and retaining a weeks worth or more of data > would be the simplest solution. > > As part of this process, I can not delete the original file since that is > being handled by the weekly log rotation and archival process. > > These files get pretty big, so IO and CPU are both concerns. > > Do you have plenty of space? If you do you can have syslog log the data > into two files, one with a weekly rotation and one daily. > -- > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

May 30, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Log Rotation (Snapshot)

by Gregory Boyce

On May 26, 2009, at 9:31 AM, "Tal Cohen" <wlug(a)cohen123.com> wrote: > I'm trying to setup a secondary log rotation mechanism on on of my > production systems. > > Right now, the system is setup to rotate logs on a weekly basis. > > In addition to the weekly log rotation, I also need to take hourly > snapshots (i.e. just the deltas between snapshots). Is the weekly rotation really needed, or do you just need to retain a certain amount of data? Switching to hourly rotation and retaining a weeks worth or more of data would be the simplest solution. > As part of this process, I can not delete the original file since > that is being handled by the weekly log rotation and archival process. > > These files get pretty big, so IO and CPU are both concerns. Do you have plenty of space? If you do you can have syslog log the data into two files, one with a weekly rotation and one daily. -- Greg

May 26, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Log Rotation (Snapshot)

by J.R. Mauro

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Tal Cohen <wlug(a)cohen123.com> wrote: > I'm trying to setup a secondary log rotation mechanism on on of my > production systems. > > Right now, the system is setup to rotate logs on a weekly basis. > > In addition to the weekly log rotation, I also need to take hourly > snapshots (i.e. just the deltas between snapshots). And do what? Put them on another computer? If so, try plan9port's venti archival storage system or rdiff-backup. If not, could you specify? > > As part of this process, I can not delete the original file since that is > being handled by the weekly log rotation and archival process. > > These files get pretty big, so IO and CPU are both concerns. > > Any suggestions? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

May 26, 2009

Log Rotation (Snapshot)

by Tal Cohen

I'm trying to setup a secondary log rotation mechanism on on of my production systems. Right now, the system is setup to rotate logs on a weekly basis. In addition to the weekly log rotation, I also need to take hourly snapshots (i.e. just the deltas between snapshots). As part of this process, I can not delete the original file since that is being handled by the weekly log rotation and archival process. These files get pretty big, so IO and CPU are both concerns. Any suggestions?

May 26, 2009

If linux ruled the world

by Mike Leo

http://www.beli.ws/blog/2009/05/technology/if-linux-was-the-most-used-syste…

May 21, 2009

[OT] Solaris 10 jumpstart server

by vze284qe＠verizon.net

Hi All, Ok....so it isn't a Linux question, but... In a couple of weeks, I'm going to be building a jumpstart server at work. Can someone point me to the docs for this? I went to the SUN website and found a 240 page pdf file about setting up a jumpstart server. It was REALLY hard to follow. Any help would be appreciated. TIA... -Chuck

May 20, 2009

REMINDER: Meeting Wed May 20th 7:00 PM

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI gang, Sorry for the late reminder, but we are having a meeting on Wednesday, May 20th, at 7:00 PM in the Access Grid Room on the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. At this meeting, all topics are open for discussion. I propose we come ready to discuss the relatively low quality (IMHO) of Kubuntu Jaunty, among other possible topics. We should also have a discussion about the July BBQ. Upcoming meetings are as follows: - - Open Street Map Project in June - - WLUG BBQ in July - celebrating our 12th complete year as a group. If you would care to host the BBQ, please let me know, or let us know at the May meeting. - - Tentative for August or September - legal discussion of trademarks, patents, copyright, the GPL, and a recent legal challenge to the GPL We'll go out for pizza after the meeting. See ya later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKE4OqOjiraCaOTOoRAqIWAJ9H19PEJMp12mHsNLARH0cKgw4bDwCeKo88 7KeoyhGhuV6Vr5bO3spMleE= =bMZo -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

May 20, 2009

signed keys

by Eric Martin

It looks like I have straightened out emailing my signed keys via caff. You should be seeing all of my emails coming through momentarily. Sorry for my tardiness but I couldn't figure out why ssmtp wouldn't work. If you don't see anything in the next hour please email me off list and I'll just send you your key directly. -- Eric Martin

May 19, 2009

Re: [Wlug] KVM to SUN converter??

by John Stoffel

Sun had gone away from this by the time of the Ultra1 as I recall. It was a stupid optimization from the realization that most DB-25 serial ports only used 8 signal lines max, so it was simple to just add another driver chip on un-used lines. Then someone smarter said "let's just use a DB-9 instead" and the problem was solved. Alot of middle old Suns have one DB25 and one DB9 serial port. But these are all around 10 years old. William> On the older Sun systems, they were "clever" by combining William> Serial A and Serial B into the same 25-pin connector. These William> systems used to have an adapter that would either split the William> port into two or a DB25-to-RJ45 connector made to use only William> one. William> If you need the DB25-to-RJ45 for Serial A pinout, it should be out there... William> Bill Smith William> Fall River, MA William> Charter Member of LOPSA William> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: >> I'm not sure what I am talking about. I know that the terminal for my SUN >> ULTRA1 is different than the terminal for my DELL PC. >> >> I have purchased a IOGEAR KVM switch. I would like to include the SUN >> machine in the set of computers that can share my one keyboard, mouse and >> terminal. >> >> What do I order which will make this possible? >> >> Ken Jones of Fitchburg. >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> William> _______________________________________________ William> Wlug mailing list William> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org William> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

May 18, 2009

Re: [Wlug] KVM to SUN converter??

by William Smith

On the older Sun systems, they were "clever" by combining Serial A and Serial B into the same 25-pin connector. These systems used to have an adapter that would either split the port into two or a DB25-to-RJ45 connector made to use only one. If you need the DB25-to-RJ45 for Serial A pinout, it should be out there... Bill Smith Fall River, MA Charter Member of LOPSA On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > I'm not sure what I am talking about. I know that the terminal for my SUN > ULTRA1 is different than the terminal for my DELL PC. > > I have purchased a IOGEAR KVM switch. I would like to include the SUN > machine in the set of computers that can share my one keyboard, mouse and > terminal. > > What do I order which will make this possible? > > Ken Jones of Fitchburg. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

May 15, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Summer internship: Linux system administrator (Worcester)

by Joe Riopel

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Brian Conway <bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > Feel free to hit me up with questions or resumes. I don't know what > computer/*NIX mailing lists at WPI are popular, but a forward would > be cool, too. Thanks much. Hi Brian, what is the name of the company?

May 14, 2009

USENIX 2009 Annual Technical Conference - Top 5 Reasons to Attend

by Lionel Garth Jones

USENIX '09 offers a cost-effective, one-stop shop for the latest in IT training, breakthroughs, and systems research. Check out the top 5 reasons to join us in San Diego, CA, June 14-19, 2009: 1. Training that keeps you ahead of the game: The 6-day training program at USENIX '09 provides in-depth and immediately useful training on the latest techniques, effective tools, and best strategies to help you stay competitive. Take a full series or individual classes covering: -- Solaris: Debugging, administration, and DTrace taught by James Mauro, Peter Baer Galvin, and Marc Staveley -- Virtualization: Xen Hypervisor, VMware ESX 3i, and security taught by Phil Cox, Wenjin Hu, Zach Shepherd, and Dan Anderson -- Plus classes on cloud computing by Milind Bhandarkar, system administration by David N. Blank-Edelman, and more To view the entire training program, see http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/training 2. Invited Talks that feature luminaries in computing discussing timely and important topics, such as: -- Keynote Address, "Where Does the Power Go in High-Scale Data Centers?" by James Hamilton, VP & Distinguished Engineer, Amazon Web Services -- Closing Plenary Session by David Brin, Hugo Award-winning author, on "Third Millennium Problem-Solving: Can New Visualization and Collaboration Tools Make a Difference?" -- Diomidis Spinellis, Athens University of Economics and Business, on "The Antikythera Mechanism: Hacking with Gears" -- And more! http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/tech 3. You'll see it here first: -- The latest developments in cutting-edge systems research in the Refereed Papers track: http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/tech -- An introduction to interesting new and ongoing work at the Poster Session: http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix09/activities.html#poster 4. The chance to mingle with industry leaders and hiring managers: -- Evening events such as the Birds-of-a-Feather (BoF) sessions offer additional opportunities to network with peers to gain that all-important "insider" IT knowledge: http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix09/bofs.html 5. The opportunity to create your own conference: Whether your focus is system administration, security, virtualization, coding, open source,networking, cloud computing, Solaris, or a bit of them all, USENIX '09 has the information you're looking for. Follow the icons listed here to create the conference that meets your needs: http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix09/themes/ And that's just the beginning. Visit http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/progb to see the full list of offerings. Don't forget: -- Register by June 1 and save up to $300! http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/registration -- Additional discounts available: From government and non-profit employees to groups of 5 or more, USENIX has new ways for you to save: http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix09/discounts.html -- Chat with other attendees on the USENIX '09 Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=29453586085&ref=ts ---------------------------------------------- 2009 USENIX Annual Technical Conference June 14-19, 2009, San Diego, CA http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/progb Early Bird Registration Deadline: June 1, 2009

May 14, 2009

Re: [Wlug] CentOS 4.7 webserver help

by Randy Cole

If this is a fresh system, I'd recommend you flatten & start over with CentOS 5.3, which is the current version, rather than trying to debug an old 4.7 version. Configuring smb can be a pain. Randy Pete Wason wrote: > Heya - > > I reformatted my server and installed CentOS, but somehow I've fscked > things up. I have a heterogeneous network that is about 40% winxp, 40% > amigaos/morphos, and this server. In addition to the web stuff, I've > considered making it a PDC for the win machines, but that's maybe just > a dream. For a few days I could reach it, but now I can't, and from > the server itself localhost doesn't seem to be working. It would take > someone more familiar with linux minutes to straighten things out > probably, but I just don't have a lot of time. I live in Sutton, about > 10 miles from Worcester down Rt 146. I'm usually around Sat afternoons > or Sundays, and usually have food and beer around, but not a lot of > money. Maybe we can barter :) I do web stuff and windows system and > network admin, plus some software development at Clark Univ. > > -- > > Pete Wason * Hy Noom Publications * 5088655414 * codevark(a)aim.com * > codevark > > "Aborigine left speechless by steady disappearance of native > dialects." -- The Onion > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What > will you find? Explore *WhereItsAt.com* > <http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000001>. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 13, 2009

Re: [Wlug] My soon to arrive KVM switch.

by J.R. Mauro

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > Thanks, everyone. I have learned allot. > > I have eight computers in my home office. One is a SUN ULTRA 1, the rest > are various makes and models of PC desktop machines. On these I have > Windows plus Linux (Aurora and Red Hat Fedora. Why do I have these > machines? That's what my wife asks. Maybe in my dotage I have become > victim to a hoarding syndrome Put Plan 9 on some of them and get a serious distributed system going. > > I am trying to get organized so I purchased a "IOGEAR 8-Port KVM Switch Kit, > PS/2,with KVM Cables (GCS78KIT)" from amazon.com. They gave me free > shipping and handling. > > My conclusion after reading this thread is that I need one "13W3-to-VGA" > adapter to connect the ULTRA to the KVM switch. Stephen Thamel has one > available. > > Have I got it all straight? Sounds like it. > > Ken Jones > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

May 13, 2009

My soon to arrive KVM switch.

by Ken Jones

Thanks, everyone. I have learned allot. I have eight computers in my home office. One is a SUN ULTRA 1, the rest are various makes and models of PC desktop machines. On these I have Windows plus Linux (Aurora and Red Hat Fedora. Why do I have these machines? That's what my wife asks. Maybe in my dotage I have become victim to a hoarding syndrome I am trying to get organized so I purchased a "IOGEAR 8-Port KVM Switch Kit, PS/2,with KVM Cables (GCS78KIT)" from amazon.com. They gave me free shipping and handling. My conclusion after reading this thread is that I need one "13W3-to-VGA" adapter to connect the ULTRA to the KVM switch. Stephen Thamel has one available. Have I got it all straight? Ken Jones

May 13, 2009

Fwd: [gb-reuse] Lightwave Sun KVM (5-port, 2U), Sun SPARC systems

by Richard Klein

Isn't someone looking for a Sun KVM? -- Rich ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Phil Stracchino <alaric(a)metrocast.net> Date: Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:48 AM Subject: [gb-reuse] Lightwave Sun KVM (5-port, 2U), Sun SPARC systems To: gb-reuse <GreaterBoston-reuse(a)aq.org> I have a surplus Lightwave five-port 2U rackmount Sun KVM, for 13W3 monitors and Sun PS2 combined keyboard+mouse. I've never actually used it because I never got around to picking up the required 13W3 video cables. Catch is it's in Gilford, NH, but if you don't want to come this far for it you can have it for cost of ground shipping. Also clearing out a bunch of Sun SPARC hardware. At this point I've retired a maxed-out U2, an U5, and an U30 with a Creator3D Series 2, an Expert3D, and two 711 UltraSCSI multipacks on separate SCSI channels. One more U5 to be shut down shortly. Inquire if interested. -- Phil Stracchino, CDK#2 DoD#299792458 ICBM: 43.5607, -71.355 alaric(a)caerllewys.net alaric(a)metrocast.net phil(a)co.ordinate.org Renaissance Man, Unix ronin, Perl hacker, Free Stater It's not the years, it's the mileage. _______________________________________________ GreaterBoston-reuse mailing list GreaterBoston-reuse(a)lists.aq.org http://lists.aq.org/list/listinfo/greaterboston-reuse -- Rich

May 13, 2009

Re: [Wlug] KVM to SUN converter??

by John Stoffel

Ken> I'm not sure what I am talking about. I know that the terminal Ken> for my SUN ULTRA1 is different than the terminal for my DELL PC. Sure, you probably have a 13W3 video connector on your Ultra1, so you'd need a dongle to goto VGA. I problaby have one lying around here at work and I can give it to you. Ken> I have purchased a IOGEAR KVM switch. I would like to include Ken> the SUN machine in the set of computers that can share my one Ken> keyboard, mouse and terminal. The bigger problem is the mouse/keyboard, since the U1 uses a totally different and non-standard setup. The old Sun Type 4 & 5 keyboards. Some KVM switches supported the older sun standard. Newer suns all use USB mice/keyboards with minor extensions and are perfectly compatible with KVMs. In this case, you might be out of luck. Exactly which model KVM did you buy? John

May 13, 2009

CentOS 4.7 webserver help

by Pete Wason

Heya - I reformatted my server and installed CentOS, but somehow I've fscked things up. I have a heterogeneous network that is about 40% winxp, 40% amigaos/morphos, and this server. In addition to the web stuff, I've considered making it a PDC for the win machines, but that's maybe just a dream. For a few days I could reach it, but now I can't, and from the server itself localhost doesn't seem to be working. It would take someone more familiar with linux minutes to straighten things out probably, but I just don't have a lot of time. I live in Sutton, about 10 miles from Worcester down Rt 146. I'm usually around Sat afternoons or Sundays, and usually have food and beer around, but not a lot of money. Maybe we can barter :) I do web stuff and windows system and network admin, plus some software development at Clark Univ. -- Pete Wason * Hy Noom Publications * 5088655414 * codevark(a)aim.com * codevark "Aborigine left speechless by steady disappearance of native dialects." -- The Onion

May 13, 2009

JOB: Staples in Framingham seeks Linux systems engineer

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Any inquiries should be sent directly to Staples. Staples is looking: External Job Title Linux Systems Engineer Grade/Level 038 Job Location City Framingham Job Location State Massachusetts Recruiter Kate MacLean Recruiter Ext 37326 Reference # 29915BR Responsibilities Responsible for the implementation and on-going technical support of Staples LINUX and VMware infrastructure. Responsibilities include, but are not limited to, day-to-day technical support, proactive monitoring and management, evaluation of new and emerging technologies, and maintaining third party support relationships. Provides technical support (including participation in a 24x7 on call rotation) for complex production systems and services Proactively monitors infrastructure for optimal performance and provides input for capacity planning Supports development activities and manages projects, and efforts that require specialized infrastructure skills Defines infrastructure requirements for the implementation of new applications Provides technical support for Staples' business unit representatives and IS organizations as required Maintains relationships with third party technical support providers Participates in the evaluation of new products and services Identifies areas where existing policies and procedures require change or where new ones need to be developed Maintains all relevant documentation Identifies opportunities for continuous improvement Provide mentoring, ongoing knowledge transfer and other technical guidance to junior and mid level team members Qualifications Bachelor?s Degree in Computer Science or equivalent experience required 7 - 10 years of experience as a Linux System Administrator (RedHat preferred) RHCE certification highly desired Familiarity with Linux build methodologies, performance tuning and memory management, and ongoing maintenance and troubleshooting Understanding of Project management methodologies Experience in developing scalable policies and procedures, including system standards, capacity planning, and centralized management Excellent organizational, analytical and problem solving skills Effective written and verbal communication skills Scripting and programming skills (shell, awk, perl, python) Experience in managing, operating, and troubleshooting a multi-farm VMWare installation, including Virtual Infrastructure, HA, and DRS Experience in P2V migrations a plus Familiarity with the following: rsync, sshd, LDAP, apache, DNS, syslogd, ntpd, net-snmp, tomcat configuration, WebSphere Suite, J2EE Familiarity with a variety of storage technologies including SAN and NAS storage platforms - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKCfvHOjiraCaOTOoRAnB9AJ9WppY9dWWykiUqXf6/zQGUyXBSxACfTPqM mYbLOARlDSWJd2EHIIZRHVo= =oIj8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

May 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] WLUG..KVM...Sun keyb/mouse, old and new

by J.R. Mauro

Maybe my mail got lost. I think you need a 13W3-to-VGA adaptor. On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > Doug, you are correct. My ULTRA 1 has a "funny" 25 pin sized connector with > 13 pins. My mouse plugs into the keyboard. > > If I could get the terminal to work thru the kvm switch it would not be too > bad to have a second keyboard and mouse on my desk. > > I can use VNCviewer if necessary, but I would prefer a "real" connection. > > Is there an adaptor between kvm and the "funny" terminal? What is it > called? > > Ken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Mildram > To: kjones(a)ziplink.net > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:40 PM > Subject: WLUG..KVM...Sun keyb/mouse, old and new > > I get WLUG in digest (usually noon time). > I see some answers on Sun KVM but I think they do NOT tell you that.... > > a) OLD sun monitors have that funny DB25-shaped connector, > and matching/old-style video adapter cards/mboard. > > there ARE "adapter/converter" gizmos in both directions. I think I have > one at home, I should junk the ultra10 (style "b" below) that I don't use. > I forget which adapter I have (for old sun and newer VGA; or newer sun and > oldSun Monitor). > > > > b) NEWER sun's e.g. ultraNN (i think Ultra1 is in the OLD camp above) > have: > "new" VGA style adapter, works with any VGA monitor > BUT: "OLD" sun keyboard is still required unless you are going headless > > (on the Sun, at BOOTup powerup time, if keyboard is detected, > Sun boots in normal/console mode; if NOT detected, it considers /dev/ttya > as serial console ) > > > The sun keyboard is totally incompatible as far as I know. > compare the DIN pins to the DIN pins on a PS/2 keyboard(or mouse). > > and the sun MOUSE is attached to the sun KEYBOARD, which rather proves the > imcompatible point. > > Though you could just do the "V" portion thru a KVM, maybe, with 2 keybds on > your desk. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

May 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] WLUG..KVM...Sun keyb/mouse, old and new

by Ken Jones

Doug, you are correct. My ULTRA 1 has a "funny" 25 pin sized connector with 13 pins. My mouse plugs into the keyboard. If I could get the terminal to work thru the kvm switch it would not be too bad to have a second keyboard and mouse on my desk. I can use VNCviewer if necessary, but I would prefer a "real" connection. Is there an adaptor between kvm and the "funny" terminal? What is it called? Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Mildram To: kjones(a)ziplink.net Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:40 PM Subject: WLUG..KVM...Sun keyb/mouse, old and new I get WLUG in digest (usually noon time). I see some answers on Sun KVM but I think they do NOT tell you that.... a) OLD sun monitors have that funny DB25-shaped connector, and matching/old-style video adapter cards/mboard. there ARE "adapter/converter" gizmos in both directions. I think I have one at home, I should junk the ultra10 (style "b" below) that I don't use. I forget which adapter I have (for old sun and newer VGA; or newer sun and oldSun Monitor). b) NEWER sun's e.g. ultraNN (i think Ultra1 is in the OLD camp above) have: "new" VGA style adapter, works with any VGA monitor BUT: "OLD" sun keyboard is still required unless you are going headless (on the Sun, at BOOTup powerup time, if keyboard is detected, Sun boots in normal/console mode; if NOT detected, it considers /dev/ttya as serial console ) The sun keyboard is totally incompatible as far as I know. compare the DIN pins to the DIN pins on a PS/2 keyboard(or mouse). and the sun MOUSE is attached to the sun KEYBOARD, which rather proves the imcompatible point. Though you could just do the "V" portion thru a KVM, maybe, with 2 keybds on your desk.

May 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] KVM to SUN converter??

by J.R. Mauro

It seems you need a "13W3-to-VGA" adapter. On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Brian Conway <bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 2009, Ken Jones wrote: > >> I'm not sure what I am talking about. I know that the terminal for my SUN >> ULTRA1 is different than the terminal for my DELL PC. >> >> I have purchased a IOGEAR KVM switch. I would like to include the SUN >> machine in the set of computers that can share my one keyboard, mouse and >> terminal. >> >> What do I order which will make this possible? > > If you search www.monoprice.com (or Google Shopping, I suppose) for "sun > vga", they have a selection of adapters. I've used the shorter style in > the past successfully, but not specifically with a KVM. > > Brian Conway > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

May 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] KVM to SUN converter??

by Brian Conway

On Tue, 12 May 2009, Ken Jones wrote: > I'm not sure what I am talking about. I know that the terminal for my SUN > ULTRA1 is different than the terminal for my DELL PC. > > I have purchased a IOGEAR KVM switch. I would like to include the SUN > machine in the set of computers that can share my one keyboard, mouse and > terminal. > > What do I order which will make this possible? If you search www.monoprice.com (or Google Shopping, I suppose) for "sun vga", they have a selection of adapters. I've used the shorter style in the past successfully, but not specifically with a KVM. Brian Conway

May 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] KVM to SUN converter??

by J. R. Mauro

We have all Suns at RIT. I will ask our sysadmin and get back to you. On May 12, 2009, at 10:29, "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > I'm not sure what I am talking about. I know that the terminal for > my SUN ULTRA1 is different than the terminal for my DELL PC. > > I have purchased a IOGEAR KVM switch. I would like to include the > SUN machine in the set of computers that can share my one keyboard, > mouse and terminal. > > What do I order which will make this possible? > > Ken Jones of Fitchburg. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

May 12, 2009

KVM to SUN converter??

by Ken Jones

I'm not sure what I am talking about. I know that the terminal for my SUN ULTRA1 is different than the terminal for my DELL PC. I have purchased a IOGEAR KVM switch. I would like to include the SUN machine in the set of computers that can share my one keyboard, mouse and terminal. What do I order which will make this possible? Ken Jones of Fitchburg.

May 12, 2009

Summer internship: Linux system administrator (Worcester)

by Brian Conway

Hi guys, the company I work for is hiring a summer intern with Linux experience and interest in network and VoIP engineering. We're a small startup in the Worcester area, near 290 and the Pike. Experience with *any* of the following is great: Red Hat/CentOS, Asterisk, Python, PHP, networking, firewalls, and VPNs. Feel free to hit me up with questions or resumes. I don't know what computer/*NIX mailing lists at WPI are popular, but a forward would be cool, too. Thanks much. Brian Conway

May 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Key signing follow up

by Walt

Hello all, I'm still having trouble with gpg. But, I'm still having trouble with a few other things, too. I've tried kgpg and the gnome side. I'll keep working on it... Walt Andy Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Hi gang, > > I believe that I have signed and uploaded all of the keys that I > verified at the key signing party. However, I've noticed that only 4 > people have signed and uploaded my key (and many thanks to you!). I > wonder if folks may have just forgotten to upload the key after signing it. > > If you don't see my signature on your key, and you were at the key > signing party, please let me know. Maybe I fouled something up. I'm > using KGpg. > > Thanks, > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) > Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) > Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFJ+lwpOjiraCaOTOoRApYMAJoCpeQ3dYCcKkvF/RcfuZCogdP+XwCeKcCM > fbkjwg12BTJ4M11KgfdEcm0= > =WcXF > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

May 2, 2009

Re: [Wlug] A question

by Jason Couture

Sure well if anyone wants to go, like i said give me a call tomorrow night. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Eric Stein <eastein(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Armsbey abbey is great. I went there a few weeks ago. Great beers. > > Going tomorrow night sounds great, but I might not be back from a BBQ by > then. Play it by ear! > > Eric > > Jason Couture wrote: >> I got asked to work from 8-12pm tomorrow :( If anyone wouldnt mind >> still, id like to go saturday. >> >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Richard Klein wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:33 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> If you like good beer, the Horseshoe Pub in Hudson Mass (intersection >>>>> of I209 and I495) has around 100 beers, with probably 50 on tap. >>>>> Decent food too. >>>>> >>>>> Haven't been for a while, but I used to be a regular at O'Connors on >>>>> Rt 12 on the Worcester, W. Boylston Line (exit 4 of I190) and they had >>>>> a good rotation of beer on tap. It might have gotten boring though... >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I've also heard good things about Armsby Abbey >>>> (http://www.armsbyabbey.com/) but I haven't been there myself. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Great place, awesome beer selection (I brew beer so I'm always on the >>> lookout for new stuff). It can get a bit pricey though (but it's well >>> worth it). The food is all local and you can taste it. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Key signing follow up

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 07:30:02AM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: >> HI Chuck et al, >> >> I have received emails from folks who sent them encrypted with my key, >> and that is working for me. When folks download my key from the key >> server, they should see about 5 signatures on it. I'd like somebody to >> confirm this so I know if I'm doing it correctly. The key is 0x268E4CEA. > > Confirmed. Good...thanks for the confirmation! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ+2l+OjiraCaOTOoRApLHAJ9v62cY7o7ISG8zYkLQi0HW+R453QCeL/YI jeUPdSoSA5rHpglJQgtuItE= =hn23 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

May 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] A question

by Eric Stein

Armsbey abbey is great. I went there a few weeks ago. Great beers. Going tomorrow night sounds great, but I might not be back from a BBQ by then. Play it by ear! Eric Jason Couture wrote: > I got asked to work from 8-12pm tomorrow :( If anyone wouldnt mind > still, id like to go saturday. > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Richard Klein wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:33 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> If you like good beer, the Horseshoe Pub in Hudson Mass (intersection >>>> of I209 and I495) has around 100 beers, with probably 50 on tap. >>>> Decent food too. >>>> >>>> Haven't been for a while, but I used to be a regular at O'Connors on >>>> Rt 12 on the Worcester, W. Boylston Line (exit 4 of I190) and they had >>>> a good rotation of beer on tap. It might have gotten boring though... >>>> >>>> >>> I've also heard good things about Armsby Abbey >>> (http://www.armsbyabbey.com/) but I haven't been there myself. >>> >>> >>> >> Great place, awesome beer selection (I brew beer so I'm always on the >> lookout for new stuff). It can get a bit pricey though (but it's well >> worth it). The food is all local and you can taste it. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 1, 2009

USENIX WebApps '10 Call for Papers Now Available

by Lionel Garth Jones

On behalf of the Program Committee, I would like to invite you to submit your work to the USENIX Conference on Web Application Development (WebApps '10). WebApps '10 is a new technical conference designed to bring together experts in all aspects of developing and deploying Web applications. Suggested topics related to Web application development include but are not limited to: * Computing substrates and deployment technologies ("cloud computing") * Frameworks for developing Web applications * Client-side toolkits, libraries, and plug-ins * Storage systems * Security issues for Web applications * Management techniques for large-scale Web applications * Languages for Web applications * Scalability issues and techniques * Techniques for creating highly interactive Web applications * Software as a service * Applications that illustrate interesting new features or implementation techniques * Performance measurements of Web applications * Real-time data delivery over the Web * Web services Paper submissions are due by January 11, 2010. The Call for Papers, with submission guidelines, can be found at http://www.usenix.org/webapps10/cfpa/ The USENIX Conference on Web Application Development (WebApps '10) will take place June 20–25, 2010, in Boston, MA. The technical sessions will take place on June 23–25. I look forward to receiving your submissions! Sincerely, John Ousterhout, Stanford University WebApps '10 Program Chair webapps10chair(a)usenix.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Call for Papers: USENIX Conference on Web Application Development (WebApps '10) June 20–25, 2010 Boston, MA http://www.usenix.org/webapps10/cfpa Paper submissions deadline: January 11, 2010 ------------------------------------------------------------------------

May 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Key signing follow up

by Chuck Anderson

On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 07:30:02AM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > HI Chuck et al, > > I have received emails from folks who sent them encrypted with my key, > and that is working for me. When folks download my key from the key > server, they should see about 5 signatures on it. I'd like somebody to > confirm this so I know if I'm doing it correctly. The key is 0x268E4CEA. Confirmed.

May 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] A question

by Richard Klein

I wish I could. I think I'm going to Hull. -- Rich On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I got asked to work from 8-12pm tomorrow :( If anyone wouldnt mind > still, id like to go saturday.

May 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] A question

by soup

John Stoffel wrote: > Jason> Alright, my # is 508-471-0131 call me sometime tomorrow and we > Jason> can set something up, if anyone else cares to show just give me > Jason> a call. Im off to work right now though. > > If you like good beer, the Horseshoe Pub in Hudson Mass (intersection > of I209 and I495) has around 100 beers, with probably 50 on tap. > Decent food too. I'm a patron of the 'shoe but only because I've always gone. It's crowded, the prices aren't great and they're often out of my usual beers. Take care, James

May 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Key signing follow up

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:43:43PM -0400, Eric Martin wrote: >> Andy Stewart wrote: >>> I believe that I have signed and uploaded all of the keys that I >>> verified at the key signing party. However, I've noticed that only 4 >>> people have signed and uploaded my key (and many thanks to you!). I >>> wonder if folks may have just forgotten to upload the key after >>> signing it. > > I did't upload keys and don't plan to. I sent them via email to the > uid in the key. HI Chuck et al, I have received emails from folks who sent them encrypted with my key, and that is working for me. When folks download my key from the key server, they should see about 5 signatures on it. I'd like somebody to confirm this so I know if I'm doing it correctly. The key is 0x268E4CEA. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ+t06OjiraCaOTOoRAmhCAKDUltx85E2/zoCRJr5nFAM/lseWBACgwzl0 OZjBjhOmmG8dZ2M7Tut3n0I= =f6EK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

May 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] A question

by Conner Finlay

Cant do Saturday, we can work something out though. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I got asked to work from 8-12pm tomorrow :( If anyone wouldnt mind > still, id like to go saturday. > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Richard Klein wrote: > >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:33 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >> > >>> If you like good beer, the Horseshoe Pub in Hudson Mass (intersection > >>> of I209 and I495) has around 100 beers, with probably 50 on tap. > >>> Decent food too. > >>> > >>> Haven't been for a while, but I used to be a regular at O'Connors on > >>> Rt 12 on the Worcester, W. Boylston Line (exit 4 of I190) and they had > >>> a good rotation of beer on tap. It might have gotten boring though... > >>> > >> > >> I've also heard good things about Armsby Abbey > >> (http://www.armsbyabbey.com/) but I haven't been there myself. > >> > >> > > Great place, awesome beer selection (I brew beer so I'm always on the > > lookout for new stuff). It can get a bit pricey though (but it's well > > worth it). The food is all local and you can taste it. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Conner Finlay

May 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] A question

by Jason Couture

I got asked to work from 8-12pm tomorrow :( If anyone wouldnt mind still, id like to go saturday. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Richard Klein wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:33 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >> >>> If you like good beer, the Horseshoe Pub in Hudson Mass (intersection >>> of I209 and I495) has around 100 beers, with probably 50 on tap. >>> Decent food too. >>> >>> Haven't been for a while, but I used to be a regular at O'Connors on >>> Rt 12 on the Worcester, W. Boylston Line (exit 4 of I190) and they had >>> a good rotation of beer on tap. It might have gotten boring though... >>> >> >> I've also heard good things about Armsby Abbey >> (http://www.armsbyabbey.com/) but I haven't been there myself. >> >> > Great place, awesome beer selection (I brew beer so I'm always on the > lookout for new stuff). It can get a bit pricey though (but it's well > worth it). The food is all local and you can taste it. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

May 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Key signing follow up

by J.R. Mauro

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:43:43PM -0400, Eric Martin wrote: >> Andy Stewart wrote: >> > I believe that I have signed and uploaded all of the keys that I >> > verified at the key signing party. However, I've noticed that only 4 >> > people have signed and uploaded my key (and many thanks to you!). I >> > wonder if folks may have just forgotten to upload the key after >> > signing it. > > I did't upload keys and don't plan to. I sent them via email to the > uid in the key. > >> > If you don't see my signature on your key, and you were at the key >> > signing party, please let me know. Maybe I fouled something up. I'm >> > using KGpg. >> > >> I know my sigs haven't been sent out yet, caff didn't send the emails. >> I'm just going to sign them and push them out the manual way. > > I should probably do a talk on how to properly configure a Linux > system to send email via /bin/mail. It would be short. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Key signing follow up

by Chuck Anderson

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:43:43PM -0400, Eric Martin wrote: > Andy Stewart wrote: > > I believe that I have signed and uploaded all of the keys that I > > verified at the key signing party. However, I've noticed that only 4 > > people have signed and uploaded my key (and many thanks to you!). I > > wonder if folks may have just forgotten to upload the key after > > signing it. I did't upload keys and don't plan to. I sent them via email to the uid in the key. > > If you don't see my signature on your key, and you were at the key > > signing party, please let me know. Maybe I fouled something up. I'm > > using KGpg. > > > I know my sigs haven't been sent out yet, caff didn't send the emails. > I'm just going to sign them and push them out the manual way. I should probably do a talk on how to properly configure a Linux system to send email via /bin/mail.

May 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Key signing follow up

by Eric Martin

Andy Stewart wrote: > > Hi gang, > > I believe that I have signed and uploaded all of the keys that I > verified at the key signing party. However, I've noticed that only 4 > people have signed and uploaded my key (and many thanks to you!). I > wonder if folks may have just forgotten to upload the key after > signing it. > > If you don't see my signature on your key, and you were at the key > signing party, please let me know. Maybe I fouled something up. I'm > using KGpg. > > Thanks, > > Andy > I know my sigs haven't been sent out yet, caff didn't send the emails. I'm just going to sign them and push them out the manual way.

May 1, 2009

Key signing follow up

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi gang, I believe that I have signed and uploaded all of the keys that I verified at the key signing party. However, I've noticed that only 4 people have signed and uploaded my key (and many thanks to you!). I wonder if folks may have just forgotten to upload the key after signing it. If you don't see my signature on your key, and you were at the key signing party, please let me know. Maybe I fouled something up. I'm using KGpg. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ+lwpOjiraCaOTOoRApYMAJoCpeQ3dYCcKkvF/RcfuZCogdP+XwCeKcCM fbkjwg12BTJ4M11KgfdEcm0= =WcXF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

May 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] A question

by Eric Martin

Richard Klein wrote: > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:33 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >> If you like good beer, the Horseshoe Pub in Hudson Mass (intersection >> of I209 and I495) has around 100 beers, with probably 50 on tap. >> Decent food too. >> >> Haven't been for a while, but I used to be a regular at O'Connors on >> Rt 12 on the Worcester, W. Boylston Line (exit 4 of I190) and they had >> a good rotation of beer on tap. It might have gotten boring though... >> > > I've also heard good things about Armsby Abbey > (http://www.armsbyabbey.com/) but I haven't been there myself. > > Great place, awesome beer selection (I brew beer so I'm always on the lookout for new stuff). It can get a bit pricey though (but it's well worth it). The food is all local and you can taste it.

May 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] A question

by Richard Klein

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:33 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > If you like good beer, the Horseshoe Pub in Hudson Mass (intersection > of I209 and I495) has around 100 beers, with probably 50 on tap. > Decent food too. > > Haven't been for a while, but I used to be a regular at O'Connors on > Rt 12 on the Worcester, W. Boylston Line (exit 4 of I190) and they had > a good rotation of beer on tap. It might have gotten boring though... I've also heard good things about Armsby Abbey (http://www.armsbyabbey.com/) but I haven't been there myself. -- Rich Sent from Framingham, Massachusetts, United States

April 30, 2009

Re: [Wlug] A question

by John Stoffel

Jason> Alright, my # is 508-471-0131 call me sometime tomorrow and we Jason> can set something up, if anyone else cares to show just give me Jason> a call. Im off to work right now though. If you like good beer, the Horseshoe Pub in Hudson Mass (intersection of I209 and I495) has around 100 beers, with probably 50 on tap. Decent food too. Haven't been for a while, but I used to be a regular at O'Connors on Rt 12 on the Worcester, W. Boylston Line (exit 4 of I190) and they had a good rotation of beer on tap. It might have gotten boring though... Sorry I can't make it, too much other stuff going on right now. John

April 30, 2009

Re: [Wlug] A question

by Jason Couture

Alright, my # is 508-471-0131 call me sometime tomorrow and we can set something up, if anyone else cares to show just give me a call. Im off to work right now though. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Conner Finlay <cfinlay(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'd be game > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> So guys, >> >> Anyone live near worcester and feel like going out for a drink >> tomorrow night? I've lived up here for two and a half years and all >> ive done is work, sleep, and eat. Id like to get out of my house for >> once and go do something, Would anyone care to join me? As i know no >> one up here. >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- > Conner Finlay > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

April 30, 2009

Re: [Wlug] A question

by Conner Finlay

I'd be game On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote: > So guys, > > Anyone live near worcester and feel like going out for a drink > tomorrow night? I've lived up here for two and a half years and all > ive done is work, sleep, and eat. Id like to get out of my house for > once and go do something, Would anyone care to join me? As i know no > one up here. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Conner Finlay

April 30, 2009

A question

by Jason Couture

So guys, Anyone live near worcester and feel like going out for a drink tomorrow night? I've lived up here for two and a half years and all ive done is work, sleep, and eat. Id like to get out of my house for once and go do something, Would anyone care to join me? As i know no one up here.

April 30, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Sorry about the facebook thing.

by Mike Peckar

More worrysome for me than the data mining practices is that as a dad with three kids that use Facebook, are the intellectual property rights issues that have cropped up over the last few years. Facebook has eased off a bit, but my understanding is that a typical user's content can be commercially expoited in perpetuity by Facebook if they feel like it. More at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Facebook in the "Terms of Use" controversy section. -- Mike

April 30, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Sorry about the facebook thing.

by Chuck Anderson

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 06:38:56AM -0400, Frank Sweetser wrote: > Keith Wright wrote: > > > So the webmail provider has sold out? > > No, it's actually worse than that. Facebook offers to do "useful" things with > your address book. In order to get at your address book, it encourages you to > give it your webmail provider, username, and password. Doesn't *that* sound > like a good idea? It doesn't even take a real candy bar these days for people to give up their login credentials to third parties. The excitement of being able to SuperPoke someone, play Mafia Wars, and spend *real cash* to send "Limited Edition" icons of pink panties to friends is enough.

April 30, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Sorry about the facebook thing.

by Frank Sweetser

Keith Wright wrote: > So the webmail provider has sold out? No, it's actually worse than that. Facebook offers to do "useful" things with your address book. In order to get at your address book, it encourages you to give it your webmail provider, username, and password. Doesn't *that* sound like a good idea? > If I go to Facebook with Linux and Firefox > will the same happen to me? Yep - it's cross platform and cross browser compatible evil! -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

April 30, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Sorry about the facebook thing.

by Keith Wright

> From: Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> > > I accidentially clicked the send invites button on > facebook, I didnt mean to, it sent it to EVERYONE in > my address book :| Quite annoying. > > So anyways, I do apologize for the spam. > > Jason Couture ------------------------ > From: Ben LaVerriere <gonoldothrond(a)gmail.com> > > In fairness, it did require some action on Jason's > part --- Why be elaborately fair to the evil ones? This is the third time I have gotten one of these bot-written Facebook "invitations" which was soon followed by apologies and annoyance from the purported sender. They _trick_ people into pushing the button. But what does the button have to do with it? What program does the button run that could not be run without the button? Is this a gaping security hole in the browser and operating system? Or is it an conspiracy between Facebook and your email host? > Facebook does have a feature (?) to email > people "from your address book" at various webmail > providers, So the webmail provider has sold out? If I go to Facebook with Linux and Firefox will the same happen to me? > but it won't do so without the user specifically > providing his or her credentials and approval. You need another "(?)" after "approval". But why not? Is that in writing, or is it really enforced by software, or is it just a rumor they like to spread? > More specifically, we should be upset at Jason for > not noticing that WLUG isn't a person when asking > Facebook to send those messages, not at Facebook for > letting him do so. To be fair, you shouldn't have to be checking all kinds of occult trivia to prevent your entire address book from getting sent to any website that asks for it. Facebook did not _let_ him send it. This is one of the headers of that message: > Received: from mx-out.facebook.com > (outmail018.snc1.tfbnw.net [69.63.178.177]) > by SMTP.WPI.EDU (8.14.2/8.14.2) > with ESMTP id n3TG9iIT026912 > for <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>; > Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:09:50 -0400 > (envelope-from invite+2maswggx(a)facebookmail.com) that clearly shows it was transfered directly from Facebook to WPI, Jason had little to do with it. I think I will stay upset with Microsoft, Facebook, and the webmail corporations and side with the human. -- Keith

April 30, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Sorry about the facebook thing.

by Jason Couture

LOL. There is no confirmation either, Once that button is clicked and the post request sent, Even if you attempt to abort it, the emails go out. It really sucks, and the buttons are so small and close together... lol bleh. But regardless it was my mistake. Be careful what you click :P Espically when you have an addressbook with like, 9000 addresses in it lol. That and the fact that im a bit of an idiot does tend to add into the whole mistake making fiasco. :P On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: >> From: Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> >> >> I accidentially clicked the send invites button on >> facebook, I didnt mean to, it sent it to EVERYONE in >> my address book :| Quite annoying. >> >> So anyways, I do apologize for the spam. >> >> Jason Couture > ------------------------ >> From: Ben LaVerriere <gonoldothrond(a)gmail.com> >> >> In fairness, it did require some action on Jason's >> part --- > > Why be elaborately fair to the evil ones? > > This is the third time I have gotten one of > these bot-written Facebook "invitations" which > was soon followed by apologies and annoyance > from the purported sender. > > They _trick_ people into pushing the button. > > But what does the button have to do with it? What > program does the button run that could not be run > without the button? Is this a gaping security hole in > the browser and operating system? Or is it an > conspiracy between Facebook and your email host? > >> Facebook does have a feature (?) to email >> people "from your address book" at various webmail >> providers, > > So the webmail provider has sold out? > > If I go to Facebook with Linux and Firefox > will the same happen to me? > >> but it won't do so without the user specifically >> providing his or her credentials and approval. > > You need another "(?)" after "approval". > > But why not? Is that in writing, or is it > really enforced by software, or is it just > a rumor they like to spread? > >> More specifically, we should be upset at Jason for >> not noticing that WLUG isn't a person when asking >> Facebook to send those messages, not at Facebook for >> letting him do so. > > To be fair, you shouldn't have to be checking > all kinds of occult trivia to prevent > your entire address book from getting > sent to any website that asks for it. > > Facebook did not _let_ him send it. > > This is one of the headers of that message: > >> Received: from mx-out.facebook.com >> (outmail018.snc1.tfbnw.net [69.63.178.177]) >> by SMTP.WPI.EDU (8.14.2/8.14.2) >> with ESMTP id n3TG9iIT026912 >> for <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>; >> Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:09:50 -0400 >> (envelope-from invite+2maswggx(a)facebookmail.com) > > that clearly shows it was transfered directly > from Facebook to WPI, Jason had little to do with it. > > I think I will stay upset with Microsoft, > Facebook, and the webmail corporations > and side with the human. > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 30, 2009

Sorry about the facebook thing.

by Jason Couture

I accidentially clicked the send invites button on facebook, I didnt mean to, it sent it to EVERYONE in my address book :| Quite annoying. So anyways, I do apologize for the spam. Jason Couture

April 30, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Check out my photos on Facebook

by Keith Wright

> From: Eric Stein <eastein(a)WPI.EDU> > > I believe I speak for us all when I ask WHAT THE HELL? For a while I thought Facebook might be evil. Now I know for sure. For those (are there still some) who have not seen this before, be assured that Jason did not write this message, it is autogenerated in the name of anyone who gets curious enough to touch Facebook. They have tricks for getting your address list and using it to spam everyone from your mother to your boss. Don't touch it. > Hi Worcester, The cheeky autospammer addresses Worcester Linux Group by his first name. > I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my > pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as > a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join > Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own > profile. This paragraph is identical to three or four I have gotten from other people, often through mailing lists. > Thanks, > Jason That signature is forged. THAT'S not a sig, THIS is a sig: -- Keith

April 29, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Check out my photos on Facebook

by J. R. Mauro

Hopefully she stays on Twitter and doesn't find out what freenode is... On Apr 29, 2009, at 13:30, Clint Moyer <cdmoyer(a)charter.net> wrote: > But wait, don't you know that even Oprah is on Twitter? > > > ---- "J. R. Mauro" <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > ============= > Social networking sites: the AIM-virus host of the new millenium. > > Don't touch it with a stick, kids. All you need is IRC, BBS, > public_html, and an email address. > > > > On Apr 29, 2009, at 17:11, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > >>> From: Eric Stein <eastein(a)WPI.EDU> >>> >>> I believe I speak for us all when I ask WHAT THE HELL? >> >> For a while I thought Facebook might be evil. >> >> Now I know for sure. >> >> For those (are there still some) who have not seen >> this before, be assured that Jason did not write >> this message, it is autogenerated in the name of >> anyone who gets curious enough to touch Facebook. >> >> They have tricks for getting your address list and >> using it to spam everyone from your mother to your >> boss. >> >> Don't touch it. >> >>> Hi Worcester, >> >> The cheeky autospammer addresses Worcester Linux Group >> by his first name. >> >>> I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my >>> pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as >>> a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join >>> Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own >>> profile. >> >> This paragraph is identical to three or four I have >> gotten from other people, often through mailing lists. >> >>> Thanks, >>> Jason >> >> That signature is forged. >> >> THAT'S not a sig, THIS is a sig: >> >> -- Keith >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 29, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Check out my photos on Facebook

by Ben LaVerriere

In fairness, it did require some action on Jason's part --- Facebook does have a feature (?) to email people "from your address book" at various webmail providers, but it won't do so without the user specifically providing his or her credentials and approval. More specifically, we should be upset at Jason for not noticing that WLUG isn't a person when asking Facebook to send those messages, not at Facebook for letting him do so. Peace. Ben Keith Wright wrote: >> From: Eric Stein <eastein(a)WPI.EDU> >> >> I believe I speak for us all when I ask WHAT THE HELL? >> > > For a while I thought Facebook might be evil. > > Now I know for sure. > > For those (are there still some) who have not seen > this before, be assured that Jason did not write > this message, it is autogenerated in the name of > anyone who gets curious enough to touch Facebook. > > They have tricks for getting your address list and > using it to spam everyone from your mother to your > boss. > > Don't touch it. > > >> Hi Worcester, >> > > The cheeky autospammer addresses Worcester Linux Group > by his first name. > > >> I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my >> pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as >> a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join >> Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own >> profile. >> > > This paragraph is identical to three or four I have > gotten from other people, often through mailing lists. > > >> Thanks, >> Jason >> > > That signature is forged. > > THAT'S not a sig, THIS is a sig: > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 29, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Check out my photos on Facebook

by Clint Moyer

But wait, don't you know that even Oprah is on Twitter? ---- "J. R. Mauro" <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: ============= Social networking sites: the AIM-virus host of the new millenium. Don't touch it with a stick, kids. All you need is IRC, BBS, public_html, and an email address. On Apr 29, 2009, at 17:11, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: >> From: Eric Stein <eastein(a)WPI.EDU> >> >> I believe I speak for us all when I ask WHAT THE HELL? > > For a while I thought Facebook might be evil. > > Now I know for sure. > > For those (are there still some) who have not seen > this before, be assured that Jason did not write > this message, it is autogenerated in the name of > anyone who gets curious enough to touch Facebook. > > They have tricks for getting your address list and > using it to spam everyone from your mother to your > boss. > > Don't touch it. > >> Hi Worcester, > > The cheeky autospammer addresses Worcester Linux Group > by his first name. > >> I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my >> pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as >> a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join >> Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own >> profile. > > This paragraph is identical to three or four I have > gotten from other people, often through mailing lists. > >> Thanks, >> Jason > > That signature is forged. > > THAT'S not a sig, THIS is a sig: > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 29, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Check out my photos on Facebook

by J. R. Mauro

Social networking sites: the AIM-virus host of the new millenium. Don't touch it with a stick, kids. All you need is IRC, BBS, public_html, and an email address. On Apr 29, 2009, at 17:11, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: >> From: Eric Stein <eastein(a)WPI.EDU> >> >> I believe I speak for us all when I ask WHAT THE HELL? > > For a while I thought Facebook might be evil. > > Now I know for sure. > > For those (are there still some) who have not seen > this before, be assured that Jason did not write > this message, it is autogenerated in the name of > anyone who gets curious enough to touch Facebook. > > They have tricks for getting your address list and > using it to spam everyone from your mother to your > boss. > > Don't touch it. > >> Hi Worcester, > > The cheeky autospammer addresses Worcester Linux Group > by his first name. > >> I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my >> pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as >> a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join >> Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own >> profile. > > This paragraph is identical to three or four I have > gotten from other people, often through mailing lists. > >> Thanks, >> Jason > > That signature is forged. > > THAT'S not a sig, THIS is a sig: > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 29, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Check out my photos on Facebook

by Eric Stein

He got his spam in our WLUG! I think Frank WLUG'd his spam just now. Eric Richard Klein wrote: > He got his facebook in our WLUG! Or did we get our WLUG in his facebook? > >

April 29, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Check out my photos on Facebook

by Richard Klein

He got his facebook in our WLUG! Or did we get our WLUG in his facebook? -- Rich On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Eric Stein <eastein(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > I believe I speak for us all when I ask WHAT THE HELL?

April 29, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Check out my photos on Facebook

by Eric Stein

I believe I speak for us all when I ask WHAT THE HELL? Eric Jason Couture wrote: > facebook > > Jason Couture > <http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=583720669&k=ZWMX5WQ2U4W1UCCFQKWUS3W> > Jason Couture has: > 14 friends > 0 photos > notes > 2 wall posts > 5 groups > > > > > Check out my photos on Facebook > > > Hi Worcester, > > I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and > events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you > need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own > profile. > > Thanks, > Jason > > To sign up for Facebook, follow the link below: > http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=583720669&k=ZWMX5WQ2U4W1UCCFQKWUS3W&r > <http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=583720669&k=ZWMX5WQ2U4W1UCCFQKWUS3W&r> > > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org was invited to join Facebook by Jason Couture. If > you do not wish to receive this type of email from Facebook in the > future, please click here > <http://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=18063b&u=1760989286&mid=6278f6G68f69066G0G8> > to unsubscribe. > Facebook's offices are located at 156 University Ave., Palo Alto, CA > 94301. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 29, 2009

Check out my photos on Facebook

by Jason Couture

Hi Worcester, I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. Thanks, Jason To sign up for Facebook, follow the link below: http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=583720669&k=ZWMX5WQ2U4W1UCCFQKWUS3W&r wlug(a)mail.wlug.org was invited to join Facebook by Jason Couture. If you do not wish to receive this type of email from Facebook in the future, please click on the link below to unsubscribe. http://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=18063b&u=1760989286&mid=6278f6G68f69066G0G8 Facebook's offices are located at 156 University Ave., Palo Alto, CA 94301.

April 29, 2009

Re: [Wlug] odd entry in /etc/passwd

by Theo Van Dinter

LDAP doesn't let your fingers do the walking... On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, J.R. Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Frank Sweetser <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: >> Eric Martin wrote: >>> So I just found an odd entry in /etc/passwd on one of my servers: >>> >>> +:::::: >>> >>> Of course I'm not running tripwire on it so I can't be assured of the >>> last time I edited the file / did anything to edit it. etc/shadow >>> doesn't have the entry but shadow is only checked if the second field is >>> x, right? >>> >>> I'm running Suse and I've been using yast lately, could that have >>> anything to do with it? I hope it does as I really hope I don't have to >>> run a full audit on the box. >> >> Looks like it's part of NIS/NIS+ configuration: > > people still use NIS? > >> >> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/plus-minus-sign-in-unix-linux-passwd-file/ >> >> -- >> Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that >> WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken >> GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 29, 2009

Re: [Wlug] odd entry in /etc/passwd

by Eric Martin

Frank Sweetser wrote: > Eric Martin wrote: > >> So I just found an odd entry in /etc/passwd on one of my servers: >> >> +:::::: >> >> Of course I'm not running tripwire on it so I can't be assured of the >> last time I edited the file / did anything to edit it. etc/shadow >> doesn't have the entry but shadow is only checked if the second field is >> x, right? >> >> I'm running Suse and I've been using yast lately, could that have >> anything to do with it? I hope it does as I really hope I don't have to >> run a full audit on the box. >> > > Looks like it's part of NIS/NIS+ configuration: > > http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/plus-minus-sign-in-unix-linux-passwd-file/ > > Thanks Frank! I googled +:::::: and nothing came back. I was just about to go hit my Hacking Exposed books as I though I remembered something from there. NIS was off in Yast, but it's good to know that I'm (probably) not hacked.

April 29, 2009

Re: [Wlug] odd entry in /etc/passwd

by J.R. Mauro

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Frank Sweetser <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Eric Martin wrote: >> So I just found an odd entry in /etc/passwd on one of my servers: >> >> +:::::: >> >> Of course I'm not running tripwire on it so I can't be assured of the >> last time I edited the file / did anything to edit it. etc/shadow >> doesn't have the entry but shadow is only checked if the second field is >> x, right? >> >> I'm running Suse and I've been using yast lately, could that have >> anything to do with it? I hope it does as I really hope I don't have to >> run a full audit on the box. > > Looks like it's part of NIS/NIS+ configuration: people still use NIS? > > http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/plus-minus-sign-in-unix-linux-passwd-file/ > > -- > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that > WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken > GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 29, 2009

Re: [Wlug] odd entry in /etc/passwd

by Frank Sweetser

Eric Martin wrote: > So I just found an odd entry in /etc/passwd on one of my servers: > > +:::::: > > Of course I'm not running tripwire on it so I can't be assured of the > last time I edited the file / did anything to edit it. etc/shadow > doesn't have the entry but shadow is only checked if the second field is > x, right? > > I'm running Suse and I've been using yast lately, could that have > anything to do with it? I hope it does as I really hope I don't have to > run a full audit on the box. Looks like it's part of NIS/NIS+ configuration: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/plus-minus-sign-in-unix-linux-passwd-file/ -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

April 29, 2009

odd entry in /etc/passwd

by Eric Martin

So I just found an odd entry in /etc/passwd on one of my servers: +:::::: Of course I'm not running tripwire on it so I can't be assured of the last time I edited the file / did anything to edit it. etc/shadow doesn't have the entry but shadow is only checked if the second field is x, right? I'm running Suse and I've been using yast lately, could that have anything to do with it? I hope it does as I really hope I don't have to run a full audit on the box. tia -- Eric Martin

April 29, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by E Johnson

My original question had to do with USB disconnects/reconnects. I have this "issue" with wired mouse and wired keyboard. Sometimes, after repeated messages all the same (many per minute over hours), this appears to cause the keyboard and/or mouse to lock up, not accepting input. At that point the PC requires reboot. Same messages in /var/log/messages using: -- different types (brands) of wired mouse and/or wired keyboard, -- different distros of Linux (various Ubuntu, various Debian), -- different kernels, -- four different PCs with 3 different mobos, each with their own set of peripherals. Had this problem going on two years now. Liz J 2009/4/28 Richard Klein <richspk(a)gmail.com>: > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Lee Keyser-Allen <frozbiz(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> FWIW, I don't believe that this (bizzare mouse behavior) is a Linux issue. >> >> I have a wireless logitech keyboard/mouse at work hooked up to a thinkpad >> running XP, and find that sometimes the mouse goes haywire. It seems to be >> due to wireless interference (there's a crapload of that in my office). > > Have you tried relocating the receiver? > > -- > Rich > Sent from Framingham, Massachusetts, United States > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list

April 28, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by Lee Keyser-Allen

It's happened across office moves (in the same building), so I'm less inclined to believe that it's the location of the receiver specifically. Since my company creates wireless devices, we've just got a ton of interference all the time (I'd estimate that at any given point in time we have around 100 APs talking in a 100 yard radius. I've got four in my office, not to mention the four stations). Also it's fine most of the time ... when I replace the batteries, it chooses a new channel often, and is borked until I get it to move to a clear channel, and then it works fine for another month or two until the batteries die. Funny enough ... the keyboard just works ... I've not changed the batteries in two years, and never had interference problems ... hooray for super low-bandwidth applications :) Cheers, Lee On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Richard Klein <richspk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Lee Keyser-Allen <frozbiz(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > FWIW, I don't believe that this (bizzare mouse behavior) is a Linux > issue. > > > > I have a wireless logitech keyboard/mouse at work hooked up to a thinkpad > > running XP, and find that sometimes the mouse goes haywire. It seems to > be > > due to wireless interference (there's a crapload of that in my office). > > Have you tried relocating the receiver? > > -- > Rich > Sent from Framingham, Massachusetts, United States > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Lee Keyser-Allen (lkeyser(a)alum.wpi.edu)

April 28, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by Richard Klein

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Lee Keyser-Allen <frozbiz(a)gmail.com> wrote: > FWIW, I don't believe that this (bizzare mouse behavior) is a Linux issue. > > I have a wireless logitech keyboard/mouse at work hooked up to a thinkpad > running XP, and find that sometimes the mouse goes haywire. It seems to be > due to wireless interference (there's a crapload of that in my office). Have you tried relocating the receiver? -- Rich Sent from Framingham, Massachusetts, United States

April 28, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by J.R. Mauro

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Lee Keyser-Allen <frozbiz(a)gmail.com> wrote: > FWIW, I don't believe that this (bizzare mouse behavior) is a Linux issue. > > I have a wireless logitech keyboard/mouse at work hooked up to a thinkpad > running XP, and find that sometimes the mouse goes haywire. It seems to be > due to wireless interference (there's a crapload of that in my office). > > I find that if it's particularly bad, I can force it to swtich channels and > reassociate by hitting the connect button on the receiver followed by the > connect button on the mouse (order is important, as just hitting the connect > button on the mouse will appear to reassociate, but will not change the > channel). > > Also I've noticed that these problems tend to be more likely to occur/are > worse when the mouse is running low on battery (which it eats through like > candy, but that's another gripe). IIRC this is an issue with wired devices. It may not be a kernel issue at all. Sometimes, hardware is just flakey. The real test would be to use a different brand of mouse for a while and see if the errors stop. > > Hope that helps, > > Lee > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Ive noticed that logitech mice seem to have strange issues with linux, >> Example i have a wireless logitech USB Mouse and keyboard, And every >> so often the mouse freaks out and jumps all over the screen clicks on >> things while it does and then returns to normal. Next time it happens >> ill post a copy of /var/log/messages pertaining to the issue, Perhaps >> your issue is related? >> >> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:28 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > Okay. great. Will try the 28 kernel and check back in next week with >> > results. >> > >> > Thanks very much, >> > Liz J >> > >> > 2009/4/25 J. R. Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com>: >> >> Sorry, didn't see you already had given version/distro info. See if >> >> you can upgrade to a more recent kernel; tons of issues with the input >> >> layer were fixed between .24/.26 and now. Other advice: ensure that >> >> evdev is the driver being used. Other than that, it could be hardware >> >> issues. >> >> >> >> P.S. I would recommend .28 as I don't think .29 is incredibly stable. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wlug mailing list >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- > Lee Keyser-Allen > (lkeyser(a)alum.wpi.edu) > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

April 28, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by Lee Keyser-Allen

FWIW, I don't believe that this (bizzare mouse behavior) is a Linux issue. I have a wireless logitech keyboard/mouse at work hooked up to a thinkpad running XP, and find that sometimes the mouse goes haywire. It seems to be due to wireless interference (there's a crapload of that in my office). I find that if it's particularly bad, I can force it to swtich channels and reassociate by hitting the connect button on the receiver followed by the connect button on the mouse (order is important, as just hitting the connect button on the mouse will appear to reassociate, but will not change the channel). Also I've noticed that these problems tend to be more likely to occur/are worse when the mouse is running low on battery (which it eats through like candy, but that's another gripe). Hope that helps, Lee On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Ive noticed that logitech mice seem to have strange issues with linux, > Example i have a wireless logitech USB Mouse and keyboard, And every > so often the mouse freaks out and jumps all over the screen clicks on > things while it does and then returns to normal. Next time it happens > ill post a copy of /var/log/messages pertaining to the issue, Perhaps > your issue is related? > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:28 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Okay. great. Will try the 28 kernel and check back in next week with > results. > > > > Thanks very much, > > Liz J > > > > 2009/4/25 J. R. Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com>: > >> Sorry, didn't see you already had given version/distro info. See if > >> you can upgrade to a more recent kernel; tons of issues with the input > >> layer were fixed between .24/.26 and now. Other advice: ensure that > >> evdev is the driver being used. Other than that, it could be hardware > >> issues. > >> > >> P.S. I would recommend .28 as I don't think .29 is incredibly stable. > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Lee Keyser-Allen (lkeyser(a)alum.wpi.edu)

April 28, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux audio driver problems [was Re: Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect]

by J.R. Mauro

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Randy Cole <randyokc(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hmm... Ubuntu (tried against 8.10 x64, 9.04 i386 liveCD & x64) (and > Fedora 10 x64) have problems with sound with my recent HP DV4-1222NR > laptop. I suspect my audio setup is similar to E. Johnson's. > > Problem is with alsa-driver. When I compile from source it works, until > the kernel changes. Well, that's the nature of an unstable kernel API :P > > Even then the mute & volume "smart keys" do not have the desired effect, > so I have to use the icon or menu. Gnome keyboard shortcuts gui is > poorly documented - there is no man page, no indication what config file > gnome-keybinding-properties corresponds to. > > How do I change the action "volume mute" to affect the proper device? There are lots of ways to do that. Gnome and KDE are a bit mystical (and don't work). Google for "evtest", which is a program that can look at a file in /dev/input/ and tell you what key/keycode/etc was pressed. Also, xev might be enough for you to find out what key it is, and map that into whatever application you use. > > -Randy. > > J. R. Mauro wrote: >> Sound is fine. Ubuntu's sound problems are due to pulseaudio (most of >> the time) >> >> >> >> On Apr 26, 2009, at 12:24, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>> How is the sound on the -29 kernel? Sound has been giving me fits on >>> the various ubuntu kernels since April 08. >>> >>> I need headset to work; don't have or use external speakers. >>> >>> Mobo = ASUS M3A78-Cm, which has Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc >>> SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) >>> >>> Even if not happy, if I had to I could put up with the USB disconnect >>> thing, but headset dysfunction would be unacceptable. >>> >>> Liz J >>> >>> 2009/4/26 Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu>: >>> >>>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:28:02PM -0400, E Johnson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Okay. great. Will try the 28 kernel and check back in next week >>>>> with results. >>>>> >>>> 2.6.28 is not a great release. Fedora skipped over it and went right >>>> to 2.6.29.1 which is the latest stable kernel. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 28, 2009

Linux audio driver problems [was Re: Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect]

by Randy Cole

Hmm... Ubuntu (tried against 8.10 x64, 9.04 i386 liveCD & x64) (and Fedora 10 x64) have problems with sound with my recent HP DV4-1222NR laptop. I suspect my audio setup is similar to E. Johnson's. Problem is with alsa-driver. When I compile from source it works, until the kernel changes. Even then the mute & volume "smart keys" do not have the desired effect, so I have to use the icon or menu. Gnome keyboard shortcuts gui is poorly documented - there is no man page, no indication what config file gnome-keybinding-properties corresponds to. How do I change the action "volume mute" to affect the proper device? -Randy. J. R. Mauro wrote: > Sound is fine. Ubuntu's sound problems are due to pulseaudio (most of > the time) > > > > On Apr 26, 2009, at 12:24, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> How is the sound on the -29 kernel? Sound has been giving me fits on >> the various ubuntu kernels since April 08. >> >> I need headset to work; don't have or use external speakers. >> >> Mobo = ASUS M3A78-Cm, which has Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc >> SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) >> >> Even if not happy, if I had to I could put up with the USB disconnect >> thing, but headset dysfunction would be unacceptable. >> >> Liz J >> >> 2009/4/26 Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu>: >> >>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:28:02PM -0400, E Johnson wrote: >>> >>>> Okay. great. Will try the 28 kernel and check back in next week >>>> with results. >>>> >>> 2.6.28 is not a great release. Fedora skipped over it and went right >>> to 2.6.29.1 which is the latest stable kernel. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 28, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by J. R. Mauro

Sound is fine. Ubuntu's sound problems are due to pulseaudio (most of the time) On Apr 26, 2009, at 12:24, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > How is the sound on the -29 kernel? Sound has been giving me fits on > the various ubuntu kernels since April 08. > > I need headset to work; don't have or use external speakers. > > Mobo = ASUS M3A78-Cm, which has Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc > SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) > > Even if not happy, if I had to I could put up with the USB disconnect > thing, but headset dysfunction would be unacceptable. > > Liz J > > 2009/4/26 Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu>: >> >> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:28:02PM -0400, E Johnson wrote: >>> Okay. great. Will try the 28 kernel and check back in next week >>> with results. >> >> 2.6.28 is not a great release. Fedora skipped over it and went right >> to 2.6.29.1 which is the latest stable kernel. >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 26, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by E Johnson

How is the sound on the -29 kernel? Sound has been giving me fits on the various ubuntu kernels since April 08. I need headset to work; don't have or use external speakers. Mobo = ASUS M3A78-Cm, which has Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) Even if not happy, if I had to I could put up with the USB disconnect thing, but headset dysfunction would be unacceptable. Liz J 2009/4/26 Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu>: > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:28:02PM -0400, E Johnson wrote: >> Okay. great. Will try the 28 kernel and check back in next week with results. > > 2.6.28 is not a great release. Fedora skipped over it and went right > to 2.6.29.1 which is the latest stable kernel. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 26, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by J. R. Mauro

On Apr 26, 2009, at 11:03, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:28:02PM -0400, E Johnson wrote: >> Okay. great. Will try the 28 kernel and check back in next week >> with results. > > 2.6.28 is not a great release. Fedora skipped over it and went right > to 2.6.29.1 which is the latest stable kernel. Odd. 2.6.28 was unproblematic from the traffic on LKML. I see many more complaints about 29. Maybe Greg ported good patches into stable. What was Fedora's beef? > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 26, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by Chuck Anderson

On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:28:02PM -0400, E Johnson wrote: > Okay. great. Will try the 28 kernel and check back in next week with results. 2.6.28 is not a great release. Fedora skipped over it and went right to 2.6.29.1 which is the latest stable kernel.

April 26, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by E Johnson

Never had jumping mouse that I recall. My (new) PC using a little KingWin mouse (no longer available); "old" PC using old Logitek; have used other Logitech including one that's now connected to the laptop (the one I could not post /var/log/messages for). Daughter PC using Logitech mouse since her light-up one died. These Logitech mouse are low-end, 3 buttons. Two are identical, that can work I believe a 5-button. Can get mfr part numbers if needed. Keyboards are miscellaneous, mainly slim-type, inexpensive Rosewill (Newegg's own brand) which these seem to be mfr by "Chesen." Can get mfr part numbers if needed. Will try the newer kernel per J. R. Mauro suggestion & check back in. Liz J 2009/4/25 Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>: > Ive noticed that logitech mice seem to have strange issues with linux, > Example i have a wireless logitech USB Mouse and keyboard, And every > so often the mouse freaks out and jumps all over the screen clicks on > things while it does and then returns to normal. Next time it happens > ill post a copy of /var/log/messages pertaining to the issue, Perhaps > your issue is related?

April 26, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by Jason Couture

Ive noticed that logitech mice seem to have strange issues with linux, Example i have a wireless logitech USB Mouse and keyboard, And every so often the mouse freaks out and jumps all over the screen clicks on things while it does and then returns to normal. Next time it happens ill post a copy of /var/log/messages pertaining to the issue, Perhaps your issue is related? On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:28 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Okay. great. Will try the 28 kernel and check back in next week with results. > > Thanks very much, > Liz J > > 2009/4/25 J. R. Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com>: >> Sorry, didn't see you already had given version/distro info. See if >> you can upgrade to a more recent kernel; tons of issues with the input >> layer were fixed between .24/.26 and now. Other advice: ensure that >> evdev is the driver being used. Other than that, it could be hardware >> issues. >> >> P.S. I would recommend .28 as I don't think .29 is incredibly stable. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 26, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by E Johnson

Okay. great. Will try the 28 kernel and check back in next week with results. Thanks very much, Liz J 2009/4/25 J. R. Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com>: > Sorry, didn't see you already had given version/distro info. See if > you can upgrade to a more recent kernel; tons of issues with the input > layer were fixed between .24/.26 and now. Other advice: ensure that > evdev is the driver being used. Other than that, it could be hardware > issues. > > P.S. I would recommend .28 as I don't think .29 is incredibly stable.

April 26, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by J. R. Mauro

Sorry, didn't see you already had given version/distro info. See if you can upgrade to a more recent kernel; tons of issues with the input layer were fixed between .24/.26 and now. Other advice: ensure that evdev is the driver being used. Other than that, it could be hardware issues. P.S. I would recommend .28 as I don't think .29 is incredibly stable. On Apr 25, 2009, at 19:54, "J. R. Mauro" <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 25, 2009, at 17:01, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Is it normal for USB to disconnct/reconnect repeatedly, many times >> per >> minute? > > That sounds fishy, but possible > >> Is that still considered random and normal? That's what we >> have here, in the three different computers that I have access to >> today. Not a few times, but zillions of lines in /var/log/messages. >> It's worst in the older PC. >> >> The mice mostly have been pretty standard Logitek versions, nothing >> fancy or unusual. >> >> How can I find out if the lockup is caused by "X fighting over the >> hardware", or by drivers? > > Kernel version, distro, output of lsmod? > > It looks like you use different event drivers in each setup, but if > you know which uses which, that could help > >> >> >> Thanks, >> Liz J >> >> 2009/4/25 J. R. Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> USB can randomly dis/reconnect and that is normal. The lockup issues >>> could be related to other drivers and/or X fighting over the >>> hardware. >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 26, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by J. R. Mauro

On Apr 25, 2009, at 17:01, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Is it normal for USB to disconnct/reconnect repeatedly, many times per > minute? That sounds fishy, but possible > Is that still considered random and normal? That's what we > have here, in the three different computers that I have access to > today. Not a few times, but zillions of lines in /var/log/messages. > It's worst in the older PC. > > The mice mostly have been pretty standard Logitek versions, nothing > fancy or unusual. > > How can I find out if the lockup is caused by "X fighting over the > hardware", or by drivers? Kernel version, distro, output of lsmod? It looks like you use different event drivers in each setup, but if you know which uses which, that could help > > > Thanks, > Liz J > > 2009/4/25 J. R. Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com>: > >> USB can randomly dis/reconnect and that is normal. The lockup issues >> could be related to other drivers and/or X fighting over the >> hardware. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 25, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by E Johnson

Is it normal for USB to disconnct/reconnect repeatedly, many times per minute? Is that still considered random and normal? That's what we have here, in the three different computers that I have access to today. Not a few times, but zillions of lines in /var/log/messages. It's worst in the older PC. The mice mostly have been pretty standard Logitek versions, nothing fancy or unusual. How can I find out if the lockup is caused by "X fighting over the hardware", or by drivers? Thanks, Liz J 2009/4/25 J. R. Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com>: > USB can randomly dis/reconnect and that is normal. The lockup issues > could be related to other drivers and/or X fighting over the hardware.

April 25, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by J. R. Mauro

USB can randomly dis/reconnect and that is normal. The lockup issues could be related to other drivers and/or X fighting over the hardware. On Apr 25, 2009, at 13:16, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Tonight I am being reminded several times per hour that something > weird is happening here. I have a mouse and keyboard USB disconnect > problem that has been hanging around for a couple of years now. > > Across the room where my old computer sits quietly running, the red > light in the mouse keeps flashing as it goes off then comes back on, > even though this computer is idle. So I checked /var/log/messages, and > sure enough, messages appear there that correspond with the times the > red light flashes. > > Messages like these crop up regularly and often in /var/log/messages > > Computer 1: > > Apr 24 02:47:40 geurig kernel: [1086766.208280] usb 5-1: New USB > device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=c03e > Apr 24 02:47:40 geurig kernel: [1086766.208286] usb 5-1: New USB > device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 > Apr 24 02:47:40 geurig kernel: [1086766.208292] usb 5-1: Product: > USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse > Apr 24 02:47:40 geurig kernel: [1086766.208296] usb 5-1: > Manufacturer: Logitech > Apr 24 02:47:40 geurig kernel: [1086766.432055] __ratelimit: 1 > messages suppressed > Apr 24 02:48:13 geurig kernel: [1086799.620065] usb 5-1: USB > disconnect, address 109 > Apr 24 02:48:14 geurig kernel: [1086799.872028] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 110 > Apr 24 02:48:14 geurig kernel: [1086800.024007] usb 5-1: configuration > #1 chosen from 1 choice > Apr 24 02:48:14 geurig kernel: [1086800.065154] input: Logitech > USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as /class/input/input112 > Apr 24 02:48:14 geurig kernel: [1086800.092124] input,hidraw0: USB HID > v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:10.1-1 > > This PC is running Debian Lenny kernel 2.6.26-1-686. Same thing often > used to happen with the USB keyboard, too. Now I'm using a PS2 > keyboard in this PC, which does not result in these disconnect > messages, but still seeing these messages about the mouse. Sometimes > this happens over and over again many times within a short period of > time (several times/minute). > > There were lockup problems related to this problem when I was running > Etch, after this keyboard or mouse USB disconnect thing had > disconnected and reconnected some large number of times, I think it > was well over a hundred times. Keyboard and/or mouse would no longer > accept input, forcing me to have to ssh in and reboot it, or if I > couldn't do that, had to hard reboot. Restart X is not enough to fix > this. This has happened with various different mice and keyboards. > > So we installed a USB card, thinking this might be a hardware problem > with the USB ports, but no, the same problem crops up no matter if the > mouse or keyboard is plugged into the card, or into the USB ports in > the case. > > Then we thought it might be a problem in Etch, so we upgraded to > Lenny. But it still happens. Also happens in Ubuntu. > > The latest issue (see below) was a long string of these > disconnect/reconnects, then a lockup of the mouse and I believe > keyboard. Had to ssh in to stop the problem (by shutting down). This > new build is using my used hard drive, but I don't think that is > relevant. Below is only a small piece of var/log/messages, where the > problem seemed to change after several hours from the familiar mouse > disconnect/reconnect, to something else. These mmessages were repeated > many times (over a hundred): > > Apr 24 13:16:24 geurig kernel: [1124490.152288] usb 5-1: New USB > device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=c03e > Apr 24 13:16:24 geurig kernel: [1124490.152294] usb 5-1: New USB > device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 > Apr 24 13:16:24 geurig kernel: [1124490.152300] usb 5-1: Product: > USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse > Apr 24 13:16:24 geurig kernel: [1124490.152304] usb 5-1: > Manufacturer: Logitech > Apr 24 13:17:24 geurig kernel: [1124550.713733] usb 5-1: USB > disconnect, address 53 > Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.128022] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 54 > Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.280008] usb 5-1: configuration > #1 chosen from 1 choice > Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.324800] input: Logitech > USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as /class/input/input812 > Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.356089] input,hidraw0: USB HID > v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on > usb-0000:00:10.1-1 > Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.356251] usb 5-1: New USB > device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=c03e > Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.356257] usb 5-1: New USB > device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 > Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.356263] usb 5-1: Product: > USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse > Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.356267] usb 5-1: > Manufacturer: Logitech > Apr 24 13:18:26 geurig kernel: [1124611.968623] usb 5-1: USB > disconnect, address 54 > Apr 24 13:18:26 geurig kernel: [1124612.468024] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 55 > Apr 24 13:18:58 geurig kernel: [1124644.288028] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 56 > Apr 24 13:19:30 geurig kernel: [1124676.032024] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 57 > Apr 24 13:19:40 geurig kernel: [1124686.684056] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 58 > Apr 24 13:19:54 geurig kernel: [1124700.008027] uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.1: > Controller not stopped yet! > Apr 24 13:20:21 geurig kernel: [1124727.772025] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 59 > Apr 24 13:20:53 geurig kernel: [1124759.608024] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 60 > Apr 24 13:21:25 geurig kernel: [1124791.352042] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 61 > Apr 24 13:21:36 geurig kernel: [1124802.006763] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 62 > Apr 24 13:21:46 geurig kernel: [1124812.767430] __ratelimit: 29 > messages suppressed > Apr 24 13:21:50 geurig kernel: [1124816.008030] uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.1: > Controller not stopped yet! > Apr 24 13:22:17 geurig kernel: [1124843.804029] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 63 > Apr 24 13:22:49 geurig kernel: [1124875.424045] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 64 > Apr 24 13:23:21 geurig kernel: [1124907.168043] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 65 > Apr 24 13:23:31 geurig kernel: [1124917.820026] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 66 > Apr 24 13:23:45 geurig kernel: [1124931.012844] uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.1: > Controller not stopped yet! > > This problem is not limited to this PC. Just built a brand new > computer, and it's happening in the new computer, too, running Debian > Lenny kernel 2.6.26-2-686 on a totally different motherboard. These > two sets of entries show both keyboard and mouse events: > > Computer 2. > Apr 19 23:14:31 lancer kernel: [261130.697577] usb 3-2: USB > disconnect, address 62 > Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.262914] usb 3-2: new low speed > USB device using ohci_hcd and address 64 > Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.453627] usb 3-2: configuration > #1 chosen from 1 choice > Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.465284] input: CHESEN USB > Keyboard as /class/input/input59 > Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.493292] input,hidraw1: USB HID > v1.10 Keyboard [CHESEN USB Keyboard] on usb-0000:00:13.0-2 > Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.501293] input: CHESEN USB > Keyboard as /class/input/input60 > Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.549291] input,hidraw2: USB HID > v1.10 Device [CHESEN USB Keyboard] on usb-0000:00:13.0-2 > Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.549291] usb 3-2: New USB device > found, idVendor=0a81, idProduct=0101 > Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.549291] usb 3-2: New USB device > strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 > Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.549291] usb 3-2: Product: USB > Keyboard > Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.549291] usb 3-2: > Manufacturer: CHESEN > Apr 19 23:25:27 lancer kernel: [261787.827069] usb 3-2: USB > disconnect, address 64 > Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.160461] usb 3-2: new low speed > USB device using ohci_hcd and address 65 > Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.344991] usb 3-2: configuration > #1 chosen from 1 choice > Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.356166] input: CHESEN USB > Keyboard as /class/input/input61 > Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.384180] input,hidraw1: USB HID > v1.10 Keyboard [CHESEN USB Keyboard] on usb-0000:00:13.0-2 > Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.392173] input: CHESEN USB > Keyboard as /class/input/input62 > Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.448169] input,hidraw2: USB HID > v1.10 Device [CHESEN USB Keyboard] on usb-0000:00:13.0-2 > Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.448169] usb 3-2: New USB device > found, idVendor=0a81, idProduct=0101 > Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.448169] usb 3-2: New USB device > strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 > Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.448169] usb 3-2: Product: USB > Keyboard > Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.448169] usb 3-2: > Manufacturer: CHESEN > -- and -- > Apr 23 09:34:28 lancer kernel: [58666.642632] usb 1-1: USB > disconnect, address 4 > Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.138801] usb 1-1: new low speed > USB device using ohci_hcd and address 7 > Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.327037] usb 1-1: configuration > #1 chosen from 1 choice > Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.335045] input: USB Optical Mouse > as /class/input/input6 > Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.355048] input,hidraw2: USB HID > v1.10 Mouse [USB Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:12.0-1 > Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.355048] usb 1-1: New USB device > found, idVendor=15ca, idProduct=00c3 > Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.355048] usb 1-1: New USB device > strings: Mfr=0, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 > Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.355048] usb 1-1: Product: USB > Optical Mouse > > Had same problem in this new PC, running a recent Ubuntu Hardy (8.04) > install. This PC is only a few weeks old, now with a fresh install of > Lenny in its own partition. Only the hard drive and the DVD drive are > not brand-new. > > I possibly (maybe?) solved the keyboard issue in this PC by specifying > the correct type of keyboard in Settings > Peripherals > Keboard (in > KDE). Not sure if it's really gone or not. But now getting hundreds of > messages about the mouse, as above. > > Computer 3. > It's also happening in my daughter's computer, that has the exact same > motherboard and almost the same CPU as computer 2. Hers is running > Ubuntu 8.04 2.6.24-23.52 (running Gnome), just updated last week. She > has never complained about any lockup problem, but she reboots more > often than I do. > > Apr 12 22:19:53 wanda kernel: [ 3543.266303] usb 1-2: USB > disconnect, address 3 > Apr 12 22:19:53 wanda kernel: [ 3543.348070] usb 1-2: new low speed > USB device using ohci_hcd and address 4 > Apr 12 22:19:53 wanda kernel: [ 3543.431718] usb 1-2: configuration #1 > chosen from 1 choice > Apr 12 22:19:53 wanda kernel: [ 3543.446738] input: Logitech USB-PS/2 > Optical Mouse as > /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:12.0/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/input/input6 > Apr 12 22:19:53 wanda kernel: [ 3543.465380] input,hidraw0: USB HID > v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:12.0-2 > Apr 12 22:22:09 wanda kernel: [ 3595.885419] usb 1-2: USB > disconnect, address 4 > Apr 12 22:22:10 wanda kernel: [ 3595.973146] usb 1-2: new low speed > USB device using ohci_hcd and address 5 > Apr 12 22:22:10 wanda kernel: [ 3596.056975] usb 1-2: configuration #1 > chosen from 1 choice > Apr 12 22:22:10 wanda kernel: [ 3596.059711] input: Logitech USB-PS/2 > Optical Mouse as > /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:12.0/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/input/input7 > Apr 12 22:22:10 wanda kernel: [ 3596.079690] input,hidraw0: USB HID > v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:12.0-2 > > Computer 4. > I believe this also happens in the laptop, a Dell Inspiron 1525n, > running (now) Ubuntu Hardy (this came with Ubuntu 7.10 > pre-uinstalled). Cannot post /var/log/messages from this today, since > this laptop is away with daughter. But the same messages appear in > that one, too. > > Has anyone run into this before, and if so, did you get it fixed? > > Thanks very much, > Liz J > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 25, 2009

Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by E Johnson

Tonight I am being reminded several times per hour that something weird is happening here. I have a mouse and keyboard USB disconnect problem that has been hanging around for a couple of years now. Across the room where my old computer sits quietly running, the red light in the mouse keeps flashing as it goes off then comes back on, even though this computer is idle. So I checked /var/log/messages, and sure enough, messages appear there that correspond with the times the red light flashes. Messages like these crop up regularly and often in /var/log/messages Computer 1: Apr 24 02:47:40 geurig kernel: [1086766.208280] usb 5-1: New USB device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=c03e Apr 24 02:47:40 geurig kernel: [1086766.208286] usb 5-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 Apr 24 02:47:40 geurig kernel: [1086766.208292] usb 5-1: Product: USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse Apr 24 02:47:40 geurig kernel: [1086766.208296] usb 5-1: Manufacturer: Logitech Apr 24 02:47:40 geurig kernel: [1086766.432055] __ratelimit: 1 messages suppressed Apr 24 02:48:13 geurig kernel: [1086799.620065] usb 5-1: USB disconnect, address 109 Apr 24 02:48:14 geurig kernel: [1086799.872028] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 110 Apr 24 02:48:14 geurig kernel: [1086800.024007] usb 5-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Apr 24 02:48:14 geurig kernel: [1086800.065154] input: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as /class/input/input112 Apr 24 02:48:14 geurig kernel: [1086800.092124] input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:10.1-1 This PC is running Debian Lenny kernel 2.6.26-1-686. Same thing often used to happen with the USB keyboard, too. Now I'm using a PS2 keyboard in this PC, which does not result in these disconnect messages, but still seeing these messages about the mouse. Sometimes this happens over and over again many times within a short period of time (several times/minute). There were lockup problems related to this problem when I was running Etch, after this keyboard or mouse USB disconnect thing had disconnected and reconnected some large number of times, I think it was well over a hundred times. Keyboard and/or mouse would no longer accept input, forcing me to have to ssh in and reboot it, or if I couldn't do that, had to hard reboot. Restart X is not enough to fix this. This has happened with various different mice and keyboards. So we installed a USB card, thinking this might be a hardware problem with the USB ports, but no, the same problem crops up no matter if the mouse or keyboard is plugged into the card, or into the USB ports in the case. Then we thought it might be a problem in Etch, so we upgraded to Lenny. But it still happens. Also happens in Ubuntu. The latest issue (see below) was a long string of these disconnect/reconnects, then a lockup of the mouse and I believe keyboard. Had to ssh in to stop the problem (by shutting down). This new build is using my used hard drive, but I don't think that is relevant. Below is only a small piece of var/log/messages, where the problem seemed to change after several hours from the familiar mouse disconnect/reconnect, to something else. These mmessages were repeated many times (over a hundred): Apr 24 13:16:24 geurig kernel: [1124490.152288] usb 5-1: New USB device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=c03e Apr 24 13:16:24 geurig kernel: [1124490.152294] usb 5-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 Apr 24 13:16:24 geurig kernel: [1124490.152300] usb 5-1: Product: USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse Apr 24 13:16:24 geurig kernel: [1124490.152304] usb 5-1: Manufacturer: Logitech Apr 24 13:17:24 geurig kernel: [1124550.713733] usb 5-1: USB disconnect, address 53 Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.128022] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 54 Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.280008] usb 5-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.324800] input: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as /class/input/input812 Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.356089] input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:10.1-1 Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.356251] usb 5-1: New USB device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=c03e Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.356257] usb 5-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.356263] usb 5-1: Product: USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.356267] usb 5-1: Manufacturer: Logitech Apr 24 13:18:26 geurig kernel: [1124611.968623] usb 5-1: USB disconnect, address 54 Apr 24 13:18:26 geurig kernel: [1124612.468024] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 55 Apr 24 13:18:58 geurig kernel: [1124644.288028] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 56 Apr 24 13:19:30 geurig kernel: [1124676.032024] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 57 Apr 24 13:19:40 geurig kernel: [1124686.684056] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 58 Apr 24 13:19:54 geurig kernel: [1124700.008027] uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.1: Controller not stopped yet! Apr 24 13:20:21 geurig kernel: [1124727.772025] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 59 Apr 24 13:20:53 geurig kernel: [1124759.608024] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 60 Apr 24 13:21:25 geurig kernel: [1124791.352042] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 61 Apr 24 13:21:36 geurig kernel: [1124802.006763] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 62 Apr 24 13:21:46 geurig kernel: [1124812.767430] __ratelimit: 29 messages suppressed Apr 24 13:21:50 geurig kernel: [1124816.008030] uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.1: Controller not stopped yet! Apr 24 13:22:17 geurig kernel: [1124843.804029] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 63 Apr 24 13:22:49 geurig kernel: [1124875.424045] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 64 Apr 24 13:23:21 geurig kernel: [1124907.168043] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 65 Apr 24 13:23:31 geurig kernel: [1124917.820026] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 66 Apr 24 13:23:45 geurig kernel: [1124931.012844] uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.1: Controller not stopped yet! This problem is not limited to this PC. Just built a brand new computer, and it's happening in the new computer, too, running Debian Lenny kernel 2.6.26-2-686 on a totally different motherboard. These two sets of entries show both keyboard and mouse events: Computer 2. Apr 19 23:14:31 lancer kernel: [261130.697577] usb 3-2: USB disconnect, address 62 Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.262914] usb 3-2: new low speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 64 Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.453627] usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.465284] input: CHESEN USB Keyboard as /class/input/input59 Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.493292] input,hidraw1: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [CHESEN USB Keyboard] on usb-0000:00:13.0-2 Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.501293] input: CHESEN USB Keyboard as /class/input/input60 Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.549291] input,hidraw2: USB HID v1.10 Device [CHESEN USB Keyboard] on usb-0000:00:13.0-2 Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.549291] usb 3-2: New USB device found, idVendor=0a81, idProduct=0101 Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.549291] usb 3-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.549291] usb 3-2: Product: USB Keyboard Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.549291] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: CHESEN Apr 19 23:25:27 lancer kernel: [261787.827069] usb 3-2: USB disconnect, address 64 Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.160461] usb 3-2: new low speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 65 Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.344991] usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.356166] input: CHESEN USB Keyboard as /class/input/input61 Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.384180] input,hidraw1: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [CHESEN USB Keyboard] on usb-0000:00:13.0-2 Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.392173] input: CHESEN USB Keyboard as /class/input/input62 Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.448169] input,hidraw2: USB HID v1.10 Device [CHESEN USB Keyboard] on usb-0000:00:13.0-2 Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.448169] usb 3-2: New USB device found, idVendor=0a81, idProduct=0101 Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.448169] usb 3-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.448169] usb 3-2: Product: USB Keyboard Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.448169] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: CHESEN -- and -- Apr 23 09:34:28 lancer kernel: [58666.642632] usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 4 Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.138801] usb 1-1: new low speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 7 Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.327037] usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.335045] input: USB Optical Mouse as /class/input/input6 Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.355048] input,hidraw2: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [USB Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:12.0-1 Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.355048] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=15ca, idProduct=00c3 Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.355048] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.355048] usb 1-1: Product: USB Optical Mouse Had same problem in this new PC, running a recent Ubuntu Hardy (8.04) install. This PC is only a few weeks old, now with a fresh install of Lenny in its own partition. Only the hard drive and the DVD drive are not brand-new. I possibly (maybe?) solved the keyboard issue in this PC by specifying the correct type of keyboard in Settings > Peripherals > Keboard (in KDE). Not sure if it's really gone or not. But now getting hundreds of messages about the mouse, as above. Computer 3. It's also happening in my daughter's computer, that has the exact same motherboard and almost the same CPU as computer 2. Hers is running Ubuntu 8.04 2.6.24-23.52 (running Gnome), just updated last week. She has never complained about any lockup problem, but she reboots more often than I do. Apr 12 22:19:53 wanda kernel: [ 3543.266303] usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 3 Apr 12 22:19:53 wanda kernel: [ 3543.348070] usb 1-2: new low speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 4 Apr 12 22:19:53 wanda kernel: [ 3543.431718] usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Apr 12 22:19:53 wanda kernel: [ 3543.446738] input: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:12.0/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/input/input6 Apr 12 22:19:53 wanda kernel: [ 3543.465380] input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:12.0-2 Apr 12 22:22:09 wanda kernel: [ 3595.885419] usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 4 Apr 12 22:22:10 wanda kernel: [ 3595.973146] usb 1-2: new low speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 5 Apr 12 22:22:10 wanda kernel: [ 3596.056975] usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Apr 12 22:22:10 wanda kernel: [ 3596.059711] input: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:12.0/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/input/input7 Apr 12 22:22:10 wanda kernel: [ 3596.079690] input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:12.0-2 Computer 4. I believe this also happens in the laptop, a Dell Inspiron 1525n, running (now) Ubuntu Hardy (this came with Ubuntu 7.10 pre-uinstalled). Cannot post /var/log/messages from this today, since this laptop is away with daughter. But the same messages appear in that one, too. Has anyone run into this before, and if so, did you get it fixed? Thanks very much, Liz J

April 25, 2009

Good disaster recovery / business continuity planning books

by Eric Martin

I'm currently updating all of the documentation at work and I'm looking for some resources specifically for Disaster Recovery plans and Business Continuity Plans. I've looked at the SANS reading room for some stuff, but I'm still looking for more. Does anybody have any good recommendations for books? Thanks in advance! -- Eric

April 23, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Pre-Registration ended at 4:30pm: WLUG Keysigning, Wenesday April 22nd

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 05:46:56PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: >> I'd like to understand why my email message to wlug-keys didn't make it >> when I sent it a few days ago. Did anybody else run into this, or is >> this a case of PEBKAC? > > Does the /bin/mail on the system where you ran the "gpg" command do > the right thing with email sent from there? If it isn't configured > correctly for remote mail delivery (e.g. smart relay host in > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf) then you might try copy/paste of the command's > output to your regular email client program. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Hi all, The problem was indeed on my side. I never use the "mail" command at the prompt, thus, it was not configured to send email. I saw two bounced emails once I got home from the WLUG meeting. Thanks, Chuck, for offering some ideas to help debug this problem. I hope everybody enjoyed the meeting this evening. Many thanks once again to Chuck and Eric for running this meeting! Don't forget, next month, we will have a speaker addressing us about the Open Street Map project. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ7+DQHl0iXDssISsRAjplAJwM121uy9NSYnZTXsSZBuw82sy7YgCeMmpH yCNzhr675vam/Gu83qEDMTg= =372H -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 23, 2009

Git talk from Eons ago

by J.R. Mauro

Hello folks, No, I haven't forgotten about WLUG. I had a great time being involved, and finally remembered to ping the mailing list. Attached find the slides of the talk I gave 6 months back or so on Distributed Version Control and Git. Thanks, J.R.

April 22, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Pre-Registration ended at 4:30pm: WLUG Keysigning, Wenesday April 22nd

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 05:46:56PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > I'd like to understand why my email message to wlug-keys didn't make it > when I sent it a few days ago. Did anybody else run into this, or is > this a case of PEBKAC? Does the /bin/mail on the system where you ran the "gpg" command do the right thing with email sent from there? If it isn't configured correctly for remote mail delivery (e.g. smart relay host in /etc/mail/sendmail.cf) then you might try copy/paste of the command's output to your regular email client program.

April 22, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Pre-Registration ended at 4:30pm: WLUG Keysigning, Wenesday April 22nd

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chuck Anderson wrote: > If you didn't get an email directly from me to you (i.e. not via the > wlug email list), then you have missed pre-registration deadline. I > generated the final list of keys at about 4:30pm today. > > Even so, you can certainly still participate--you'll just need to > print your key's fingerprint 10-20 times for distribution to others, > as it says here under "Right Before the WLUG meeting": > > http://www.wlug.org/keysigning/ > > We usually end the meeting by 8:30-9pm, depending on how long things > take. > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 04:39:11PM -0400, Aaron Haviland wrote: >> I work until 8pm, about 20 minutes away. How late will this be >> running if I wanted to stop by? Is pre-registration required, or >> just optional? Would it be okay to show up late? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > HI Chuck, I'd like to understand why my email message to wlug-keys didn't make it when I sent it a few days ago. Did anybody else run into this, or is this a case of PEBKAC? Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ75BQHl0iXDssISsRAkX3AKCBlEwrmfOiUD/79prcP207ovxCtwCeKBFO QLRb98E8UhEwD7aPKUq/Sn0= =eByC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 22, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Pre-Registration: WLUG Keysigning, Wenesday April 22nd

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chuck Anderson wrote: > Last call on Pre-Registration. At 3:30pm I'll generate the final list > of pre-registered fingerprints. > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:59:39PM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: >> I've put together a web page describing the procedure for >> Pre-Registering for the Keysigning to be held at our next WLUG >> meeting. This is also linked from the WLUG front page: >> >> http://www.wlug.org/keysigning/ >> >> If you wish to participate, please check it over as there are a few >> steps you need to perform before arriving at the meeting. >> >> Thanks, >> Chuck > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > HI guys, I was expecting to see my name in the wlug-keysigning-fingerprints.txt since I had (I thought) followed the instructions several days ago. Alas, my name/info is not present in the file. :-( I'll follow the rest of the instructions, and I'll see you at the meeting. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ745AHl0iXDssISsRAkDvAJ4zvOwLPxPk+xKbFWfNHVKR+LNSUQCcDkym luJjbo5xsgLXb7RXo5Nudc0= =FCfe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 22, 2009

Pre-Registration ended at 4:30pm: WLUG Keysigning, Wenesday April 22nd

by Chuck Anderson

If you didn't get an email directly from me to you (i.e. not via the wlug email list), then you have missed pre-registration deadline. I generated the final list of keys at about 4:30pm today. Even so, you can certainly still participate--you'll just need to print your key's fingerprint 10-20 times for distribution to others, as it says here under "Right Before the WLUG meeting": http://www.wlug.org/keysigning/ We usually end the meeting by 8:30-9pm, depending on how long things take. On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 04:39:11PM -0400, Aaron Haviland wrote: > I work until 8pm, about 20 minutes away. How late will this be > running if I wanted to stop by? Is pre-registration required, or > just optional? Would it be okay to show up late?

April 22, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Pre-Registration: WLUG Keysigning, Wenesday April 22nd

by Aaron Haviland

Chuck Anderson wrote, on Apr 22, 2009 at 14:37 EDT: > Last call on Pre-Registration. At 3:30pm I'll generate the final list > of pre-registered fingerprints. > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:59:39PM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > > I've put together a web page describing the procedure for > > Pre-Registering for the Keysigning to be held at our next WLUG > > meeting. This is also linked from the WLUG front page: > > > > http://www.wlug.org/keysigning/ > > > > If you wish to participate, please check it over as there are a few > > steps you need to perform before arriving at the meeting. I work until 8pm, about 20 minutes away. How late will this be running if I wanted to stop by? Is pre-registration required, or just optional? Would it be okay to show up late? -- Aaron Haviland cell: [508] 344 - 8380 home: [508] 943 - 7974

April 22, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Pre-Registration: WLUG Keysigning, Wenesday April 22nd

by Chuck Anderson

Last call on Pre-Registration. At 3:30pm I'll generate the final list of pre-registered fingerprints. On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:59:39PM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > I've put together a web page describing the procedure for > Pre-Registering for the Keysigning to be held at our next WLUG > meeting. This is also linked from the WLUG front page: > > http://www.wlug.org/keysigning/ > > If you wish to participate, please check it over as there are a few > steps you need to perform before arriving at the meeting. > > Thanks, > Chuck

April 22, 2009

Pre-Registration: WLUG Keysigning, Wenesday April 22nd

by Chuck Anderson

I've put together a web page describing the procedure for Pre-Registering for the Keysigning to be held at our next WLUG meeting. This is also linked from the WLUG front page: http://www.wlug.org/keysigning/ If you wish to participate, please check it over as there are a few steps you need to perform before arriving at the meeting. Thanks, Chuck

April 17, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu == FAIL WHALE (was: Release party Ubuntu 9.04)

by E Johnson

Agree, Ubuntu is pretty good & getting better all the time. Update here: Lenny installed very nicely & so far is rock solid, running the CPU less (Xorg was somehow using lots of CPU in Ubu Hardy), and things generally smoother all round. Still working on my DVI issue... monotor mfr assures me the latest driver will fixit. I like Lenny better by a considerable margin. Liz J

April 16, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu == FAIL WHALE (was: Release party Ubuntu 9.04)

by Nick Nassar

So, it's three votes for buggy and two for not buggy. :) It's good to know I'm not totally crazy. I don't want to totally dis on Ubuntu. It's perfect for people who just need a word processor and a web browser. The problems tend to be in less commonly used features, like virtual consoles and xinerama in Andy's case. Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > HI all, > > Up to and including Kubuntu 7.x, I thought it was great stuff! Ever > since I upgraded to Kubuntu 8.x, I've had a few nagging issues which > defy resolution. I tried the 9.x alpha CD and the issues persist. I've > seriously considered downgrading my laptop to Kubuntu 7.x. > > I think the problems are mostly related to the moving of the > configuration information out of the Xorg.conf file into some unknown > place. My issues are mostly X server related (I think). Virtual > consoles don't work once the X window system starts, and the external > VGA port doesn't seem to work anymore. I previously had it setup in > Xinerama mode. > > I have heard other folks make the same observation that 8.x was not a > great release series for them. I certainly hope that 9.x hits the nail > on the head. > > Just one man's experience..... > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) > Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) > Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 16, 2009

USENIX '09 Registration Now Open

by Lionel Garth Jones

We're pleased to invite you to attend the 2009 USENIX Annual Technical Conference. This year we're offering 6 days of training and a 3-day conference program filled with the latest systems research, security breakthroughs, and practical approaches to the questions and problems you wrestle with. You'll also have many opportunities to chat with peers who share your concerns and interests. http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/proga Training: Sunday-Friday, June 14-19, 2009 The 6-day training program at USENIX '09 provides in-depth and immediately useful training on the latest techniques, effective tools, and best strategies to help you stay competitive. Take a full series or individual classes covering: * Solaris: Debugging, administration, and DTrace taught by James Mauro, Peter Baer Galvin, and Marc Staveley * Virtualization: Xen Hypervisor, VMware ESX 3i, and security taught by Phil Cox, Wenjin Hu, Zach Shepherd, and Dan Anderson * Plus classes on cloud computing by Milind Bhandarkar, system administration by David N. Blank-Edelman, and more Find out more at http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/training/ Technical Sessions: Wednesday-Friday, June 17-19, 2009 The technical program begins with the Keynote Address, "Where Does the Power Go in High-Scale Data Centers?" by James Hamilton, VP & Distinguished Engineer, Amazon Web Services, and continues with an impressive slate of invited speakers such as: * Plenary Closing Session by David Brin, Hugo Award-winning author * Diomidis Spinellis, Athens University of Economics and Business, on "The Antikythera Mechanism: Hacking with Gears" * Matthew Jadud, Allegheny College in Meadville, on "Towards Designing Usable Languages" The USENIX '09 Refereed Papers Track is the leading forum for presenting the latest in ground-breaking systems research. Be among the first to check out the latest innovative work in the systems field. The Poster Session at USENIX '09 is an excellent forum for discussing new ideas and getting useful feedback from the community. Poster submissions should include a brief description of the research idea(s); the submission must not exceed 2 pages. Send poster submissions to usenix09posters(a)usenix.org by Tuesday, May 5, 2009. Finally, don't miss the opportunity to mingle with colleagues and leading experts in the Birds-of-a-Feather sessions and at the various evening social events, including a Poster Session & Happy Hour, vendor BoFs, and the Conference Reception. USENIX '09 promises to be an exciting showcase for the latest in innovative research and cutting-edge practices in technology. We look forward to seeing you in San Diego. On behalf of the USENIX '09 organizers, Geoffrey M. Voelker, University of California, San Diego Alec Wolman, Microsoft Research USENIX '09 Program Co-Chairs usenix09chairs(a)usenix.org P.S. Don't miss the workshops co-located with USENIX '09, including: Workshop on Hot Topics in Cloud Computing (HotCloud '09) Monday, June 15 http://www.usenix.org/events/hotcloud09/ Workshop on Large-scale Systems (LARGE '09) Tuesday, June 16 http://www.usenix.org/events/large09/ P.P.S. Stay connected with the USENIX '09 Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=29453586085&ref=ts ---------------------------------------------- 2009 USENIX Annual Technical Conference June 14-19, 2009, San Diego, CA http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/proga Early Bird Registration Deadline: June 1, 2009 Discounts Available: http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/discounts -----------------------------------------------

April 15, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu == FAIL WHALE (was: Release party Ubuntu 9.04)

by E Johnson

Interesting to hear other complaints about Xorg in Ubu. Using Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy, I am having trouble with a just-purchased Asus mobo and processor* in my newly assembled desktop rig. It will run my monitor in only VGA mode, when the previous computer with its older mobo & processor (running Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy) ran it in DVI mode. Using the DVI cable (or another DVI cable) it does not see this monitor at all. We even RMA'd the mobo and got a replacement, but it was not the output from the mobo that was the problem. * ASUS M3A78-CM; AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Hard to find how or where to set up this monitor to run right. I have to reset the monitor specs every time I reboot, or the refresh rate is unbearable and full of artifacts. There's a wizard-like prog that will reset the monitor specs, but not-quite well enough, and the settings don't seem to keep, after a reboot. Not sure this is exactly a Ubuntu problem, but one would think it could use the mobo to its advertised potential --it has a DVI output-capable chip. Previous to this build, the monitor ran fine as DVI in Debian Etch and Lenny. The older computer ran Debian Lenny very nicely after upgrading from Etch, which ran for a couple of years very successfully. It just didn't have enough memory & so forth, so we built this new one. About the no-DVI complaint, an ASUS telephone tech said to update the BIOS and/or to go get whatever new drivers may or may not be available --no sure answer. He's just reading out of a manual. But this mobo (with factory BIOS) recognized a different flatscreen DVI monitor just fine --it just wasn't my monitor. The Xorg strangeness, plus various drivers and the modules that aren't always included in the new releases or updates, make these headaches. Also when I reboot, I have to reinitialize the network. That's a mildly annoying thing. This seems to be new, not sure it's the recent Ubuntu updates, or what. Wish I could say I have several friends who have converted to Ubuntu, but I have only one. He is so happy with his old Ubuntu (previous to Gutsy), that he'll have to do a clean install of a newer version at some point soon. But I think I will recommend Lenny for him, too. The good news is that since Dec. 08, my teenage child unit is running Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy on the same mobo with a similar processor, using a newer monitor, and she's very happy. This kid was raised with various flavors of Linux til about 18 months ago, when she inherited a monster dual Xeon thing that ran Win XP and blue LEDs for about a year. When that fried, she was pleased to find that Ubuntu 8.04 on the new rig could do whatever she needed (including iPod), and we were pleased not to have to tweak it much. Ubu updates have not broken anything in her rig. Ubuntu issues too many kernel updates, that don't always include what they should have, or that break things, such as the audio. When audio breaks, that creates another whole set of headaches. We somewhat have the fixit procedure for that down by now, but why the deveolpers don't is a mystery. Maybe it's fixed in Intrepid, who knows. Running Hardy here, since it's supposedly the long-term support version. Debian just seems to be much more sensible about when to call a release "done" or "stable" and to issue it as a complete and ready-to-go OS. Now hoping that a clean install of Lenny (stable) will cure the monitor woes. The Ubu release party might be fun if we lived 2 blocks away, maybe. Peas & Lite to all, Liz J formerly KC3XX

April 15, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu == FAIL WHALE (was: Release party Ubuntu 9.04)

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI all, Up to and including Kubuntu 7.x, I thought it was great stuff! Ever since I upgraded to Kubuntu 8.x, I've had a few nagging issues which defy resolution. I tried the 9.x alpha CD and the issues persist. I've seriously considered downgrading my laptop to Kubuntu 7.x. I think the problems are mostly related to the moving of the configuration information out of the Xorg.conf file into some unknown place. My issues are mostly X server related (I think). Virtual consoles don't work once the X window system starts, and the external VGA port doesn't seem to work anymore. I previously had it setup in Xinerama mode. I have heard other folks make the same observation that 8.x was not a great release series for them. I certainly hope that 9.x hits the nail on the head. Just one man's experience..... Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ5V+qHl0iXDssISsRAqPcAJ4tvnX1GSDC3p/Ex/UPkPL7iDz3gQCfV1Q5 2r2iEzwBg1xARhIxDlvf7eg= =1E4I -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 15, 2009

Git manual available (expires in days...

by Doug Mildram

recently wlug had a meeting describing the version control system called Git. Linus fast tracked it for the kernel code, and it has become very popular. http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/FrontPage for a limited time only here is an oreilly freebie download ftp://ftp.oreilly.com/outgoing/Version_Control_with_Git.zip

April 15, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu == FAIL WHALE (was: Release party Ubuntu 9.04)

by Clint Moyer

I've had very few problems. I wouldn't just google for an answer though. The official Ubuntu forums are quite helpful and accurate. A random post revealed by a generic search may not be as fruitful. Besides, if someone has a problem copying a CD, I'd first suspect PEBCAK... ---- Nick Nassar <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: ============= Does anyone else consistently have bad experiences with Ubuntu? I've unintentionally made a handful of people really hate Linux by suggesting they try Ubuntu. The smooth install makes you think it's working well. You probably don't notice the problems for a while and you think "WOW non-geeks could actually use this." Then you try to burn an audio CD or use bluetooth or whatever and it doesn't work. You search on Google for a fix and you think "WOW The community support is awesome." Then you do what the community suggests and it not only doesn't fix it but it makes things worse. So, you reinstall. The six month release cycle just doesn't leave enough time to work out all of the quirks and update all of the community docs before the next version comes out. When people just want to copy an audio CD or perform some other basic task and it doesn't work, they (rightfully) get pissed. *sigh* James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi All, there will be a release party for the newest version of > Ubuntu on the 23rd in Boston. > > There will be plenty of food and fellow Ubuntu enthusiasts. There > will probably be desktop CDs as well. > > Date: Thursday April 23rd 2009 > Time: 7PM to 10PM > Where: Globe Bar & Grill, Boston > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 14, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu == FAIL WHALE (was: Release party Ubuntu 9.04)

by Sebastian Courtney

Sorry to disagree with you Nick, but aside from some quirks in alpha releases, I've never had any major problems that were not easily fixable in Ubuntu. :/ Bluetooth has always seamlessly worked for me, as well as burning CDs. On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Nick Nassar <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > Does anyone else consistently have bad experiences with Ubuntu? > > I've unintentionally made a handful of people really hate Linux by > suggesting they try Ubuntu. > > The smooth install makes you think it's working well. You probably > don't notice the problems for a while and you think "WOW non-geeks could > actually use this." Then you try to burn an audio CD or use bluetooth or > whatever and it doesn't work. You search on Google for a fix and you > think "WOW The community support is awesome." Then you do what the > community suggests and it not only doesn't fix it but it makes things > worse. So, you reinstall. The six month release cycle just doesn't > leave enough time to work out all of the quirks and update all of the > community docs before the next version comes out. > > When people just want to copy an audio CD or perform some other basic > task and it doesn't work, they (rightfully) get pissed. > > *sigh* > > > James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi All, there will be a release party for the newest version of > > Ubuntu on the 23rd in Boston. > > > > There will be plenty of food and fellow Ubuntu enthusiasts. There > > will probably be desktop CDs as well. > > > > Date: Thursday April 23rd 2009 > > Time: 7PM to 10PM > > Where: Globe Bar & Grill, Boston > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 14, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu == FAIL WHALE (was: Release party Ubuntu 9.04)

by Nick Nassar

Does anyone else consistently have bad experiences with Ubuntu? I've unintentionally made a handful of people really hate Linux by suggesting they try Ubuntu. The smooth install makes you think it's working well. You probably don't notice the problems for a while and you think "WOW non-geeks could actually use this." Then you try to burn an audio CD or use bluetooth or whatever and it doesn't work. You search on Google for a fix and you think "WOW The community support is awesome." Then you do what the community suggests and it not only doesn't fix it but it makes things worse. So, you reinstall. The six month release cycle just doesn't leave enough time to work out all of the quirks and update all of the community docs before the next version comes out. When people just want to copy an audio CD or perform some other basic task and it doesn't work, they (rightfully) get pissed. *sigh* James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi All, there will be a release party for the newest version of > Ubuntu on the 23rd in Boston. > > There will be plenty of food and fellow Ubuntu enthusiasts. There > will probably be desktop CDs as well. > > Date: Thursday April 23rd 2009 > Time: 7PM to 10PM > Where: Globe Bar & Grill, Boston > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 14, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Release party Ubuntu 9.04

by Mike Leo

a little more info https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MassachusettsTeam/Events/ReleaseParties/9.04-Jaunty… ________________________________ From: James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:57:47 PM Subject: [Wlug] Release party Ubuntu 9.04 Hi All, there will be a release party for the newest version of Ubuntu on the 23rd in Boston. There will be plenty of food and fellow Ubuntu enthusiasts. There will probably be desktop CDs as well. Date: Thursday April 23rd 2009 Time: 7PM to 10PM Where: Globe Bar & Grill, Boston _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 14, 2009

Follow Up: Release party Ubuntu 9.04

by James Gray

Oops, forgot the link --- For more information visit: http://www.ubuntu-massachusetts.com/events/2/ On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:57 PM, James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi All, there will be a release party for the newest version of > Ubuntu on the 23rd in Boston. > > There will be plenty of food and fellow Ubuntu enthusiasts. There > will probably be desktop CDs as well. > > Date: Thursday April 23rd 2009 > Time: 7PM to 10PM > Where: Globe Bar & Grill, Boston >

April 14, 2009

Release party Ubuntu 9.04

by James Gray

Hi All, there will be a release party for the newest version of Ubuntu on the 23rd in Boston. There will be plenty of food and fellow Ubuntu enthusiasts. There will probably be desktop CDs as well. Date: Thursday April 23rd 2009 Time: 7PM to 10PM Where: Globe Bar & Grill, Boston

April 14, 2009

Re: [Wlug] PGP Key Signing at next WLUG Meeting

by Theo Van Dinter

It's really up to the person doing the signing. :) In general, you want to have as many strong forms of ID as possible. passport > driver's license > student id, etc. Multiple IDs are good, I don't think I've had need to go beyond 3 before. Some useful links: http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/gnupg/signingparty/ http://pgp-tools.alioth.debian.org/ On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 5:46 PM, William Smith <smithadmin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Andy, > > That sounds like something I'd like to do again-- it's been a while > since I made a Key Signing party! :D > > What are acceptable forms of ID for most? (I don't have a passport...) > > ...Bill > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> Our next WLUG meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, April 22nd, and we >> will be having a PGP Key Signing party, which will be orchestrated by >> Chuck Anderson and Eric Martin. I'll update the website shortly. >> >> Also, at the June meeting, we will have a guest speaker talk to us about >> the Open Street Map effort. >> >> That's all for now...see ya later, >> >> Andy >> >> - -- >> Andy Stewart, Founder >> Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) >> Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) >> Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >> >> iD8DBQFJ4MxIHl0iXDssISsRAm3TAJoD4jpyPt2LYwJlspHk+YKTDHBCNACfTB/+ >> JLkBAfr3Qh0aPXpRhnohVfE= >> =jhoc >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > > -- > Bill Smith > Fall River, MA > Charter Member of LOPSA > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 11, 2009

Re: [Wlug] PGP Key Signing at next WLUG Meeting

by William Smith

Andy, That sounds like something I'd like to do again-- it's been a while since I made a Key Signing party! :D What are acceptable forms of ID for most? (I don't have a passport...) ...Bill On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Hi all, > > Our next WLUG meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, April 22nd, and we > will be having a PGP Key Signing party, which will be orchestrated by > Chuck Anderson and Eric Martin. I'll update the website shortly. > > Also, at the June meeting, we will have a guest speaker talk to us about > the Open Street Map effort. > > That's all for now...see ya later, > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) > Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) > Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFJ4MxIHl0iXDssISsRAm3TAJoD4jpyPt2LYwJlspHk+YKTDHBCNACfTB/+ > JLkBAfr3Qh0aPXpRhnohVfE= > =jhoc > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Bill Smith Fall River, MA Charter Member of LOPSA

April 11, 2009

PGP Key Signing at next WLUG Meeting

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, Our next WLUG meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, April 22nd, and we will be having a PGP Key Signing party, which will be orchestrated by Chuck Anderson and Eric Martin. I'll update the website shortly. Also, at the June meeting, we will have a guest speaker talk to us about the Open Street Map effort. That's all for now...see ya later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ4MxIHl0iXDssISsRAm3TAJoD4jpyPt2LYwJlspHk+YKTDHBCNACfTB/+ JLkBAfr3Qh0aPXpRhnohVfE= =jhoc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 11, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux from Scratch - anyone use this?

by Chuck Anderson

Here's another take on building your own distro using packages from Fedora and Fedora-compatible repositories: http://www.pcplus.co.uk/node/3020

April 11, 2009

Re: [Wlug] WPI Exchange Help

by Eric Stein

At one point, the UNIX/Exchange battle that goes on between the two servers was so screwed up that all my email was showing up as literal forwards from me to me in my UNIX inbox. I raged at the helpdesk until they accepted that I did not now, nor did I ever want, to even have an exchange account. It took some fighting but I got them to delete my exchange account completely, and my UNIX mail has worked fine ever since. Eric Kurt Snieckus wrote: > On the WPI mail system mail first goes to the unix mail servers, and > then gets forwarded to exchange. If you want you can keep the mail > from being forwarded to exchange by changing the forwarding settings > here: http://www.wpi.edu/Academics/CCC/Services/mailforward.html I > forget exactly what I did, but it didn't work quite right, beacuse > mail sent from other user's exchange accounts went to the exchange > account instead of staying in the unix account. But if you e-mail the > Helpdesk they can fix it for you. This then lets you use imap.wpi.edu > <http://imap.wpi.edu>, pop.wpi.edu <http://pop.wpi.edu>, and > webmail.wpi.edu/squirrelmail <http://webmail.wpi.edu/squirrelmail> > (And i think you can just login to ccc.wpi.edu <http://ccc.wpi.edu> > and type pine and read your mail as well) > If you'd like in-person help the Free Software Association tries to > have meetings at 6pm on Tuesdays in the lounge on the 3rd floor of > Fuller. E-mail owner-fsa(a)wpi.edu <mailto:owner-fsa@wpi.edu> to get > meeting announcements. > -Kurt > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:39 PM, <tedshipper(a)gmail.com > <mailto:tedshipper@gmail.com>> wrote: > > So I'm new to the Linux community and I could use a little help. > I'm trying to setup exchange to work through Evolution Mail on > Ubuntu 8.10. I can't seem to set it up correctly. I feel like i > have all the necessary info like the OWA URL, which I think is > https://exchange.wpi.edu/owa/ . Please advise as to whether I need > to specify the DOMAIN\User which doesn't work or if there is a > better client for setting up exchange at WPI. > Thanks, > > Ship > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 8, 2009

Re: [Wlug] WPI Exchange Help

by Kurt Snieckus

On the WPI mail system mail first goes to the unix mail servers, and then gets forwarded to exchange. If you want you can keep the mail from being forwarded to exchange by changing the forwarding settings here: http://www.wpi.edu/Academics/CCC/Services/mailforward.html I forget exactly what I did, but it didn't work quite right, beacuse mail sent from other user's exchange accounts went to the exchange account instead of staying in the unix account. But if you e-mail the Helpdesk they can fix it for you. This then lets you use imap.wpi.edu, pop.wpi.edu, and webmail.wpi.edu/squirrelmail (And i think you can just login to ccc.wpi.eduand type pine and read your mail as well) If you'd like in-person help the Free Software Association tries to have meetings at 6pm on Tuesdays in the lounge on the 3rd floor of Fuller. E-mail owner-fsa(a)wpi.edu to get meeting announcements. -Kurt On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:39 PM, <tedshipper(a)gmail.com> wrote: > So I'm new to the Linux community and I could use a little help. I'm trying > to setup exchange to work through Evolution Mail on Ubuntu 8.10. I can't > seem to set it up correctly. I feel like i have all the necessary info like > the OWA URL, which I think is https://exchange.wpi.edu/owa/ . Please > advise as to whether I need to specify the DOMAIN\User which doesn't work or > if there is a better client for setting up exchange at WPI. > Thanks, > > Ship > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

April 8, 2009

WPI Exchange Help

by tedshipper＠gmail.com

So I'm new to the Linux community and I could use a little help. I'm trying to setup exchange to work through Evolution Mail on Ubuntu 8.10. I can't seem to set it up correctly. I feel like i have all the necessary info like the OWA URL, which I think is https://exchange.wpi.edu/owa/ . Please advise as to whether I need to specify the DOMAIN\User which doesn't work or if there is a better client for setting up exchange at WPI. Thanks, Ship

April 8, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux from Scratch - anyone use this?

by Keith Wright

> From: "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> > > >> From: "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> > >> > >> An urge to 'Let's tinker' is both a good and bad > >> thing for a SysAdmin to have. > > Keith> Did he say he was a studly-cap SysAdmin? > > Did I? And ok, I'll just spell it out. Systems Administrator. > Happy now? (NB: the word "he" when I wrote it refered to Alexander. The word "I" when John writes it refers to John. Whether that is a cause or effect of confusion, I am not sure.) "Call no man happy until he is dead." -- Aeschylus, Herodotus, or Solon? With due regard to that perspective, I am happy now, and happy before. I now am quite sure that John is, and Alexander is not, a SysAdmin. That was my guess. > Keith> I missed that. I took him to be talking about > Keith> his own computer. If there aren't too many > Keith> users paying the bills, then the Linux Way is > Keith> to tinker. > > Sure, absolutely. No arguement there. But if you > are doing SysAdmin type work, then IMNSHO it's > pointless to obsess over things like this. No argument there, and none here. My last message was intended to point out that your different context makes the truth you chose to express less relevant to Alexander's obsession. -- Keith PS: I just thought of "Damn Small Linux". I know nothing about it, but it might be a good phrase for the tight-code-obsessed to Google.

April 7, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux from Scratch - anyone use this?

by John Stoffel

>> From: "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> >> >> An urge to 'Let's tinker' is both a good and bad >> thing for a SysAdmin to have. Keith> Did he say he was a studly-cap SysAdmin? Did I? And ok, I'll just spell it out. Systems Administrator. Happy now? Keith> I missed that. I took him to be talking about his own Keith> computer. If there aren't too many users paying the bills, Keith> then the Linux Way is to tinker. Sure, absolutely. No arguement there. But if you are doing SysAdmin type work, then IMNSHO it's pointless to obsess over things like this. >> ... I don't think you're going to find one >> that makes you happy. Keith> Maybe not one distribution, but maybe one or another package Keith> manager will look good. Learn to build your own package. I am Keith> not too familiar with all of them, but RPM builds packages from Keith> pristine source and then you can install from the package Keith> without the source, but you can always get the source version. I've done some work with RPM and .deb packages and both have learning curves. Not terrible, but curves none-the-less. And it's a good learning experience because it shows you all the details you do need to look out for when packaging something to be easily installed, upgraded and de-installed. 90% of all code is bounds and error checking. :] Which is boring and not fun to write and test, but vital for a successful package. Keith> The package is at its core a way to keep track of what you did Keith> to build it. You start Linux from Scratch, but when it comes Keith> time to put it on new hardware, you don't start over from Keith> scratch. >> The urge to cleanup is nice, but counter productive >> unless your on an embedded device which can't handle >> all the excess libraries. Keith> I will refrain from waxing on making and cleaning of messes, Keith> bloat, and the cause of all our grievances. You mistake my arguements. I'm not arguing that bloat is good, I'm arguing that trying to compulsively shrink a system might not be a good use of time/resources. But it depends. Keith> The more package builders had Alexander's attitude the fewer Keith> SysAdmins would have Alexander's problem. Well, it's also GUI toolkits, GUI designers who can't/won't pack information into a smaller display area, etc. I don't have the time to writeup a diatrabe here, so I'll just drop it now. :] John

April 7, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux from Scratch - anyone use this?

by John Stoffel

>> I've been using 'apt-get --purge autoremove' to cleanup stuff like >> that. Pretty darn simple. Alexander> Perhaps I've a compulsion ... I'm always taking that the Alexander> next step ... "lets see what else we can remove" .... I understand the urge, I've certainly had it myself at times. Not as much now with disk space cheap and my time more expensive (and wanting to spend it on other projects/time-sinks). Since I am a prof sysadmin, that colors my outlook here. :] >> Why? Why do you care? Are you short on disk space? Or just >> compulsivley anal about knowing why a library is on there? *grin* Alexander> Again - compulsive ? perhaps instead of wlug I should see a Alexander> shrink... Nah, just go and have fun and don't let me stop you. You might want to look at Slackware, or maybe one of the other uber-lite distros out there. The big way to get rid of stuff is to get rid of X and all the GUI stuff. Then you'll see real savings. John

April 7, 2009

Re: [Wlug] gl over ssh

by Mike Frysinger

On Monday 06 April 2009 12:24:03 John Stoffel wrote: > Have you tried using the 'nxserver' instead? I've been playing with > it a bit, and it's not blindingly fast at points, but it does seem to > support better OpenGL over the WAN/LAN than X does at time, esp VNC. problem with nxserver is there isnt an open source replacement for every component in the stack. i dont say this because i hate closed source, but rather it makes working across platforms a real pita (OS / architectures). i ended up switching to ssvnc as it nicely integrates ssh and/or ssl into the process. install ssvnc on your client and x11vnc on your server and you're golden. the performance is the best ive seen so far, but that is compared to X forwarding and other VNC clients ... not NX. -mike

April 6, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux from Scratch - anyone use this?

by Keith Wright

> From: "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> > > An urge to 'Let's tinker' is both a good and bad > thing for a SysAdmin to have. Did he say he was a studly-cap SysAdmin? I missed that. I took him to be talking about his own computer. If there aren't too many users paying the bills, then the Linux Way is to tinker. > ... I don't think you're going to find one > that makes you happy. Maybe not one distribution, but maybe one or another package manager will look good. Learn to build your own package. I am not too familiar with all of them, but RPM builds packages from pristine source and then you can install from the package without the source, but you can always get the source version. The package is at its core a way to keep track of what you did to build it. You start Linux from Scratch, but when it comes time to put it on new hardware, you don't start over from scratch. > The urge to cleanup is nice, but counter productive > unless your on an embedded device which can't handle > all the excess libraries. I will refrain from waxing on making and cleaning of messes, bloat, and the cause of all our grievances. The more package builders had Alexander's attitude the fewer SysAdmins would have Alexander's problem. > It's not an easy battle to solve. < Insert here a classical quote. Don Quixote? Henry IV? Sun Tze?> -- Keith

April 6, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux from Scratch - anyone use this?

by James Gray

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Alexander Haley <ahaley(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: >> Did he say he was a studly-cap SysAdmin? > no - just my own machine I can afford to muck about with > > Thanks for everyone input ... Hey Alex, you've got the skills, time and determination to maintain your system manually. I for one can't find a problem with that. I'd like to try LFS at some point when I have a bit more of the 3 traits I mention above. :-)

April 6, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux from Scratch - anyone use this?

by Alexander Haley

> Did he say he was a studly-cap SysAdmin? no - just my own machine I can afford to muck about with Thanks for everyone input ...

April 6, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux from Scratch - anyone use this?

by Alexander Haley

> I've been using 'apt-get --purge autoremove' to cleanup stuff like > that. Pretty darn simple. Perhaps I've a compulsion ... I'm always taking that the next step ... "lets see what else we can remove" .... > Why? Why do you care? Are you short on disk space? Or just > compulsivley anal about knowing why a library is on there? *grin* Again - compulsive ? perhaps instead of wlug I should see a shrink... (:

April 6, 2009

Re: [Wlug] gl over ssh

by John Stoffel

Have you tried using the 'nxserver' instead? I've been playing with it a bit, and it's not blindingly fast at points, but it does seem to support better OpenGL over the WAN/LAN than X does at time, esp VNC. You might try turning off authentication completely as a test and see if you can make it work then. Try 'xhost +' and see if that works for you. John

April 6, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux from Scratch - anyone use this?

by John Stoffel

Alexander> So ... my motivations are a deep distrust and loathing when Alexander> I type: apt-get tiny-application Alexander> and I'm then asked to install six hundred and twenty four Alexander> other libraries ... Hmm... I'm not sure that *any* distro is going to make you happy then. What about if you go with 'gentoo' and do 'emerge tiny-application' and it goes off and compiles a whole bunch of libraries and installes them for you? Is that better or worse? For example, have you tried using 'f-spot' and being amazed at how much crap it installs? And it's not a huge huge program by any means. Alexander> Now, I love ubuntu - sure it is easy and easy is good Alexander> .. right ... and I've been pretty much using Debian or Alexander> Ubuntu on some machine, in some form ... since 1998 ... I've been using 'apt-get --purge autoremove' to cleanup stuff like that. Pretty darn simple. Alexander> but .. I'm always getting into trouble with the package Alexander> management system ... I'm always skimming around looking at Alexander> the more obscure installed libraries thinking "gee, no one Alexander> uses lib-foo-bar-zap" ... uninstalling it .. and then Alexander> discovering just who indeed uses lib-foo-bar-zap ... Why? Why do you care? Are you short on disk space? Or just compulsivley anal about knowing why a library is on there? *grin* Alexander> So .. when it comes to my known style of system management Alexander> ... easy isn't good .. it merely leads my inevitable Alexander> tinkering into trouble. I can see that. Alexander> THUS - if I make the system "100% tinkering" .. well - I'll Alexander> have to tow a straighter line .. if I want the darned thing Alexander> to work! Alexander> make sense? Not really. :] If you want a system that works (which I agree with!) it might make sense to build a base system which is stable and only gets security updates, then run a virtual machine (or two or thre...) in which you have your playground to test out new apps, etc. Alexander> I did try gentoo once ... but ... I wasn't happy ... again Alexander> probably due to my irresistible "lets tinker" nature... An urge to 'Let's tinker' is both a good and bad thing for a SysAdmin to have. And why we hate users. :] Sorry, no real answers, because I don't think you're going to find one that makes you happy. The urge to cleanup is nice, but counter productive unless your on an embedded device which can't handle all the excess libraries. It's not an easy battle to solve. John

April 6, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux from Scratch - anyone use this?

by Alexander Haley

So ... my motivations are a deep distrust and loathing when I type: apt-get tiny-application and I'm then asked to install six hundred and twenty four other libraries ... Now, I love ubuntu - sure it is easy and easy is good .. right ... and I've been pretty much using Debian or Ubuntu on some machine, in some form ... since 1998 ... but .. I'm always getting into trouble with the package management system ... I'm always skimming around looking at the more obscure installed libraries thinking "gee, no one uses lib-foo-bar-zap" ... uninstalling it .. and then discovering just who indeed uses lib-foo-bar-zap ... So .. when it comes to my known style of system management ... easy isn't good .. it merely leads my inevitable tinkering into trouble. THUS - if I make the system "100% tinkering" .. well - I'll have to tow a straighter line .. if I want the darned thing to work! make sense? I did try gentoo once ... but ... I wasn't happy ... again probably due to my irresistible "lets tinker" nature... -Alex, who once wished that sudo included a breathalyzer check ... On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Might I inquire why you want to put yourself through that? It's a fun > experience but the system gets outdated very fast. If you're tried of > binary distros I would suggest Gentoo. It's a fun meta-distro that is > built from scratch but with a package management system. Also, if you > ever find the hankering to build your packages from scratch you can and > just tell portage so it doesn't clobber stuff. > > I'm very curious as to your motivations though so please share (if you > don't mind)

April 6, 2009

Re: [Wlug] The Care and Feeding of a dell power edge 2650

by Conner Finlay

Alex, Just wondering, but what student organization is it? I am a little biased here, but I would recommend installing CentOS over Debian, but I'm sure that others on this mailing list will disagree with me. This guide should be a good starting point for what you are looking to do: http://www.howtoforge.com/centos-5.1-server-lamp-email-dns-ftp-ispconfig <http://www.howtoforge.com/centos-5.1-server-lamp-email-dns-ftp-ispconfig>The NSA has really good guides on securing Operating Systems, here is the one for RHEL/CentOS: http://www.nsa.gov/ia/guidance/security_configuration_guides/operating_syst… <http://www.nsa.gov/ia/guidance/security_configuration_guides/operating_syst…>Hopefully this gets you on the right track, if you have any further questions please ask. -Conner On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 4:44 AM, Alex Camilo <alex.camilo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The student organization i belong to has recently been entrusted with a > retired dell power edge 2650 rack mount server. Me and another club member > are going to be in charge of setting up and maintaining the server. I'm > pretty sure there is a lot of information i'm simply not aware of and i was > wondering if anyone with IT experience would be willing to give me a few > pointers. > > My current plan is to install a minimal system (prefferably debian based) > install the services i need (LAMP) and then harden the box with a set of > restrictive iptables rules and keep up to date with security updates. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- Conner Finlay

April 5, 2009

gl over ssh

by bkn＠ithryn.net

Hi all, I've run into snag with using ssh x-forwarding and GL. I'm trying to run a program which uses GL remotely. The program runs and the GUI pops up with sliders and such visible, but the GL part of the gui is not displaying. everything else with the program is functional. When i start the program from the prompt i did notice the following error, libGL error: XF86DRIAuthConnection failed libGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering and on the side that displays the program i see the following error in the xorg.log file (each line represents each attempt at running the program), failed to authenticate 8 failed to authenticate 9 I've google'd around and haven't much useful information. i do have write permissions to /dev/dri. Also local GL programs display just fine, this only happens with ssh forwarding (i've tried ssh -X and ssh -Y). Both machines are ubuntu, the display machine is ubuntu 8.10 and the other is 8.04. They both use the stock xorg.conf file, which is pretty minimal, i'm guessing that's because xorg tried to determine everything at runtime. If anyone has any hints or suggestions, let me know, thanks. Thanks, -- brad

April 4, 2009

The Care and Feeding of a dell power edge 2650

by Alex Camilo

The student organization i belong to has recently been entrusted with a retired dell power edge 2650 rack mount server. Me and another club member are going to be in charge of setting up and maintaining the server. I'm pretty sure there is a lot of information i'm simply not aware of and i was wondering if anyone with IT experience would be willing to give me a few pointers. My current plan is to install a minimal system (prefferably debian based) install the services i need (LAMP) and then harden the box with a set of restrictive iptables rules and keep up to date with security updates.

April 4, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux from Scratch - anyone use this?

by Eric Martin

Alexander Haley wrote: > As a recent newcomer to this group ... I've lurked about a bit .. but > now I have a question: > > Has anyone used or is anyone using the Linux from Scratch project? > > I've built several systems through it -- however none exist today ; > Mainly it has been > a learning experience for me. I'm looking to actually create and > stick with a LFS > creation in the upcoming future. > > So - thoughts ? Advice ? > I did it once for a school project. The main problem with sticking with it is there isn't any package management, so you have to keep abreast of security / feature updates and make sure everything plays nicely with everything else. Might I inquire why you want to put yourself through that? It's a fun experience but the system gets outdated very fast. If you're tried of binary distros I would suggest Gentoo. It's a fun meta-distro that is built from scratch but with a package management system. Also, if you ever find the hankering to build your packages from scratch you can and just tell portage so it doesn't clobber stuff. I'm very curious as to your motivations though so please share (if you don't mind) -- Eric Martin Key fingerprint = D1C4 086E DBB5 C18E 6FDA B215 6A25 7174 A941 3B9F

April 3, 2009

Linux from Scratch - anyone use this?

by Alexander Haley

As a recent newcomer to this group ... I've lurked about a bit .. but now I have a question: Has anyone used or is anyone using the Linux from Scratch project? I've built several systems through it -- however none exist today ; Mainly it has been a learning experience for me. I'm looking to actually create and stick with a LFS creation in the upcoming future. So - thoughts ? Advice ? Thanks, Alexander

April 3, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux audio

by Jamie Guinan

But PulseAudio is so simple and elegant! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Pulseaudio-diagram.png -Jamie On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, Eric Stein wrote: > Screw PulseAudio. I won't be using it until they pry ALSA out of my cold > dead hands. > > Eric > > Nick Nassar wrote: > > People were posting about audio problems in Fedora a while back. This > > is the full explanation. > > > > http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/10/pulse-my-audio.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 3, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux audio

by Richard Klein

Okay, now I'm picturing Charlton Heston doing infomercials for Ubuntu. -- Rich Sent from Framingham, Massachusetts, United States On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Eric Stein <eastein(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Screw PulseAudio. I won't be using it until they pry ALSA out of my cold > dead hands.

April 3, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux audio

by Eric Stein

Screw PulseAudio. I won't be using it until they pry ALSA out of my cold dead hands. Eric Nick Nassar wrote: > People were posting about audio problems in Fedora a while back. This > is the full explanation. > > http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/10/pulse-my-audio.html > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 3, 2009

Linux audio

by Nick Nassar

People were posting about audio problems in Fedora a while back. This is the full explanation. http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/10/pulse-my-audio.html

April 3, 2009

Re: [Wlug] [OT] hyperterm OS X

by Theo Van Dinter

Yep, it's pretty straightforward: $ cat ~/.kermrc set line /dev/tty.USA19QW3b1P1.1 set flow none set speed 9600 set carrier-watch off I found that the device name would change based on which USB port the dongle was plugged into. fyi. On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Theo Van Dinter <felicity(a)kluge.net> wrote: > I have a pretty straightforward .kermrc file at home that I can mail > out later this evening. It's mainly just "set line", "set speed", > "set device", as I recall.

April 2, 2009

Re: [Wlug] [OT] hyperterm OS X

by Jason Couture

Yeah fink is awesome for getting *nix/bsd stuff that runs on OS X, Works kinda like ports on BSD or portage on gentoo. On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Nick Nassar <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > This is a Linux list. We don't support your proprietary UNIX ways. :-P > > I'm guessing on of the Linux/BSD terminal programs got ported to OS X. > http://www.finkproject.org/ > > Nick > > > vze284qe(a)verizon.net wrote: > >> >> Hi All, >> >> Does anyone know of a hyperterm-like utility for OS X? I'm looking to >> connect to a serial port of a server and see the output (there is no >> video console on this server). Currently, the only thing I can use is >> hyperterminal. I'm using a MacBook Pro with 2 USB ports. I have a >> USB-to-DB9 adapter. >> >> Thanks, >> -Chuck >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] [OT] hyperterm OS X

by Theo Van Dinter

I have always used kermit for this w/ my Mac laptops and USB-DB9 dongles. You can get a copy from http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80binaries.html#apple General information page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck80.html I have a pretty straightforward .kermrc file at home that I can mail out later this evening. It's mainly just "set line", "set speed", "set device", as I recall. On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:38 PM, <vze284qe(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > Hi All, > > Does anyone know of a hyperterm-like utility for OS X? I'm looking to > connect to a serial port of a server and see the output (there is no > video console on this server). Currently, the only thing I can use is > hyperterminal. I'm using a MacBook Pro with 2 USB ports. I have a > USB-to-DB9 adapter. > > Thanks, > -Chuck > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] [OT] hyperterm OS X

by Mike Leo

I don't know OSx, but is minicom what you need? ________________________________ From: "vze284qe(a)verizon.net" <vze284qe(a)verizon.net> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 3:38:58 PM Subject: [Wlug] [OT] hyperterm OS X Hi All, Does anyone know of a hyperterm-like utility for OS X? I'm looking to connect to a serial port of a server and see the output (there is no video console on this server). Currently, the only thing I can use is hyperterminal. I'm using a MacBook Pro with 2 USB ports. I have a USB-to-DB9 adapter. Thanks, -Chuck _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 1, 2009

[OT] hyperterm OS X

by vze284qe＠verizon.net

Hi All, Does anyone know of a hyperterm-like utility for OS X? I'm looking to connect to a serial port of a server and see the output (there is no video console on this server). Currently, the only thing I can use is hyperterminal. I'm using a MacBook Pro with 2 USB ports. I have a USB-to-DB9 adapter. Thanks, -Chuck

April 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] [OT] hyperterm OS X

by Nick Nassar

This is a Linux list. We don't support your proprietary UNIX ways. :-P I'm guessing on of the Linux/BSD terminal programs got ported to OS X. http://www.finkproject.org/ Nick vze284qe(a)verizon.net wrote: > > Hi All, > > Does anyone know of a hyperterm-like utility for OS X? I'm looking to > connect to a serial port of a server and see the output (there is no > video console on this server). Currently, the only thing I can use is > hyperterminal. I'm using a MacBook Pro with 2 USB ports. I have a > USB-to-DB9 adapter. > > Thanks, > -Chuck > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Community Training

by Michael Long

Sorry for the spam. I didn't pay attention to the return address and thought I was replying directly to Pat. Michael Long wrote: > I would love to pick your brain about this. I am slowly moving my > program forward between work, kids, etc. Do you have a location you are > doing this out of. If so I would like to check it out. Otherwise I would > be happy to talk over the phone or meet you over a cup of coffee. >

March 19, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Community Training

by Michael Long

I would love to pick your brain about this. I am slowly moving my program forward between work, kids, etc. Do you have a location you are doing this out of. If so I would like to check it out. Otherwise I would be happy to talk over the phone or meet you over a cup of coffee. Please let me know what works best for you. Mike Long cell: 978 729 3534 Patrick Sawyer wrote: > We still kinda do this stuff. > > Unfortunately my time now gets spent on the job, not allowing much room > for this stuff. > > I still get donations and we still give computers away, just not in the > same capacity. > > I would be happy to go over the lessons I have learned, things that > worked, and things we could have done better. > > > Pat Sawyer > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Clint Moyer <cdmoyer(a)charter.net > <mailto:cdmoyer@charter.net>> wrote: > > > ---- Michael Long <mlong(a)datalong.com <mailto:mlong@datalong.com>> > wrote: > > ============= > > The Free Geek project looks like my idea on steroids. Too bad they are > on the other coast. They are a good resource though. > > > http://www.fgri.org > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 19, 2009

Using wireshark to sniff arduino USB traffic...

by Tim Keller

I saw this article yesterday: http://biot.com/blog/usb-sniffing-on-linux Pretty cool stuff! Later, Tim. -- I am weary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 19, 2009

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Upcoming Meeting

by Jason Couture

That map was extremely helpful thank you. 2009/3/18 Alex Camilo <alex.camilo(a)gmail.com>: > if we're still meeting in the lower wedge then its this building > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=100+Institute+R… > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> > wrote: >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Jason Couture wrote: >> > I am interested in joining you guys tomorrow, But im unfamiliar with >> > the area, I know Park ave and where price chopper is on it. Would you >> > mind my joining you and how do i get there? Thanks in advance >> >> For those of you who own a GPS, try the address: >> >> 100 Institute Road >> Worcester, MA USA >> >> Once you get close, the campus map will be helpful. >> >> HTH, >> >> Andy >> >> - -- >> Andy Stewart, Founder >> Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) >> Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) >> Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >> >> iD8DBQFJwQ+1Hl0iXDssISsRAqFCAJ9H/Lhhg+rwJGmEvz0x4Ca8uvRn4QCfaFPf >> I09l7N8SUisW7PFuh5tKYDY= >> =R96v >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

March 18, 2009

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Upcoming Meeting

by Alex Camilo

if we're still meeting in the lower wedge then its this building http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=100+Institute+R… On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net>wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jason Couture wrote: > > I am interested in joining you guys tomorrow, But im unfamiliar with > > the area, I know Park ave and where price chopper is on it. Would you > > mind my joining you and how do i get there? Thanks in advance > > For those of you who own a GPS, try the address: > > 100 Institute Road > Worcester, MA USA > > Once you get close, the campus map will be helpful. > > HTH, > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) > Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) > Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFJwQ+1Hl0iXDssISsRAqFCAJ9H/Lhhg+rwJGmEvz0x4Ca8uvRn4QCfaFPf > I09l7N8SUisW7PFuh5tKYDY= > =R96v > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 18, 2009

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Upcoming Meeting

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jason Couture wrote: > I am interested in joining you guys tomorrow, But im unfamiliar with > the area, I know Park ave and where price chopper is on it. Would you > mind my joining you and how do i get there? Thanks in advance For those of you who own a GPS, try the address: 100 Institute Road Worcester, MA USA Once you get close, the campus map will be helpful. HTH, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJwQ+1Hl0iXDssISsRAqFCAJ9H/Lhhg+rwJGmEvz0x4Ca8uvRn4QCfaFPf I09l7N8SUisW7PFuh5tKYDY= =R96v -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

March 18, 2009

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Upcoming Meeting

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron Haviland <orion(a)parsed.net> writes: Aaron> Andy Stewart wrote, on Mar 17, 2009 at 11:59 EDT: >> >> HI everybody, >> >> We have a WLUG meeting scheduled for Wednesday, March 18th, 2009 at 7:00 PM on the >> WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. >> >> Our featured speaker for this evening will be WLUG member John Stoffel, and he will >> be talking about using Linux together with an Arduino, which is a microcontroller >> that is freely specified and available in many different implementations for around >> $30. See http://arduino.cc for more information. Aaron> Wish I could make it. This is a topic that interests me! Do we Aaron> ever have any video recordings or whatnot of these events? Aaron> Y'know, for those of us who work until 8pm an hour away... I'll be happy to send you my presentation once it's over. It will have some links and pointers to where you can learn more, etc. Not as good as the talk (I hope the talk goes well... :-) I know, but better than nothing.

March 18, 2009

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Upcoming Meeting

by E Johnson

Price Chopper is the place where you turn onto Highland Street to get to WPI. Turn onto Highland, going East. Go down to West Street (next traffic light), and turn left there (or the street before) and find a place to park in the next block or so. The cross street you come to is Institute Road, turn left there for a possible parking space, or use the campus map to locate parking lots. The Lower Wedge would be located west of West Street, and north of Institute Street. Entrance to the Lower Wedge is facing that square on the WPI map (a common) in front of building A and H, that has the x-shape thing in it. That's supposed to represent the walking paths across the common. Entrance is nearer to H than to A. Liz J 2009/3/18 Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> > I am interested in joining you guys tomorrow, But im unfamiliar with > the area, I know Park ave and where price chopper is on it. Would you > mind my joining you and how do i get there? Thanks in advance > > 2009/3/17 Aaron Haviland <orion(a)parsed.net>: > > Andy Stewart wrote, on Mar 17, 2009 at 11:59 EDT: > >> > >> HI everybody, > >> > >> We have a WLUG meeting scheduled for Wednesday, March 18th, 2009 at 7:00 > PM on the > >> WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. > >> > >> Our featured speaker for this evening will be WLUG member John Stoffel, > and he will > >> be talking about using Linux together with an Arduino, which is a > microcontroller > >> that is freely specified and available in many different implementations > for around > >> $30. See http://arduino.cc for more information. > > > > Wish I could make it. This is a topic that interests me! Do we ever have > any video > > recordings or whatnot of these events? Y'know, for those of us who work > until 8pm an > > hour away... > > > > -- > > Aaron Haviland > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFJwE2UNL5skATtxLERAnAwAJ9oWfLT7oQpn46ZU+GKc8zPkVskPACfYWss > > Ujv/AYwYQUu5VG3VNqJU9EY= > > =wtje > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 18, 2009

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Upcoming Meeting

by Frank Sweetser

Jason Couture wrote: > I am interested in joining you guys tomorrow, But im unfamiliar with > the area, I know Park ave and where price chopper is on it. Would you > mind my joining you and how do i get there? Thanks in advance The meetings are held in the Lower Wedge, which is between Daniels and Morgan Hall. You can find it between buildings H and A on the WPI campus map: http://www.wpi.edu/Images/CMS/WPI/walkingmap.pdf -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

March 18, 2009

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Upcoming Meeting

by Jason Couture

I am interested in joining you guys tomorrow, But im unfamiliar with the area, I know Park ave and where price chopper is on it. Would you mind my joining you and how do i get there? Thanks in advance 2009/3/17 Aaron Haviland <orion(a)parsed.net>: > Andy Stewart wrote, on Mar 17, 2009 at 11:59 EDT: >> >> HI everybody, >> >> We have a WLUG meeting scheduled for Wednesday, March 18th, 2009 at 7:00 PM on the >> WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. >> >> Our featured speaker for this evening will be WLUG member John Stoffel, and he will >> be talking about using Linux together with an Arduino, which is a microcontroller >> that is freely specified and available in many different implementations for around >> $30. See http://arduino.cc for more information. > > Wish I could make it. This is a topic that interests me! Do we ever have any video > recordings or whatnot of these events? Y'know, for those of us who work until 8pm an > hour away... > > -- > Aaron Haviland > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFJwE2UNL5skATtxLERAnAwAJ9oWfLT7oQpn46ZU+GKc8zPkVskPACfYWss > Ujv/AYwYQUu5VG3VNqJU9EY= > =wtje > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

March 18, 2009

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Upcoming Meeting

by Aaron Haviland

Andy Stewart wrote, on Mar 17, 2009 at 11:59 EDT: > > HI everybody, > > We have a WLUG meeting scheduled for Wednesday, March 18th, 2009 at 7:00 PM on the > WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. > > Our featured speaker for this evening will be WLUG member John Stoffel, and he will > be talking about using Linux together with an Arduino, which is a microcontroller > that is freely specified and available in many different implementations for around > $30. See http://arduino.cc for more information. Wish I could make it. This is a topic that interests me! Do we ever have any video recordings or whatnot of these events? Y'know, for those of us who work until 8pm an hour away... -- Aaron Haviland

March 18, 2009

Re: [Wlug] web hosting recommendations

by TheLobster

SurpassHosting is pretty good. ------------------ Bob Breznak 908 672 2841 robert.breznak(a)gmail.com Senior Assistant for Computer Science ACM President UPE President On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Frank Sweetser <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > I'm looking to see if anyone has any recommendations for a decent web hosting > service for a small local business. The people are pretty non-technical, so > they're basically looking for something low cost with a good CMS, rather than > a raw semi-managed linux host. > > Anybody have any favorites that would fit this bill? > > -- > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that > WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken > GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 17, 2009

web hosting recommendations

by Frank Sweetser

I'm looking to see if anyone has any recommendations for a decent web hosting service for a small local business. The people are pretty non-technical, so they're basically looking for something low cost with a good CMS, rather than a raw semi-managed linux host. Anybody have any favorites that would fit this bill? -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

March 17, 2009

REMINDER: Upcoming Meeting

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, We have a WLUG meeting scheduled for Wednesday, March 18th, 2009 at 7:00 PM on the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. Our featured speaker for this evening will be WLUG member John Stoffel, and he will be talking about using Linux together with an Arduino, which is a microcontroller that is freely specified and available in many different implementations for around $30. See http://arduino.cc for more information. After the meeting, we'll adjourn to a local pizza establishment. I look forward to seeing you at the meeting! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJv8j+Hl0iXDssISsRAuIqAJ9/L41ujQ7aJeEwHtag17bC4dH8ugCggXl7 p/V/8P3I9KNTNILhP48ntrA= =gkyJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

March 17, 2009

Re: [Wlug] apt + version control

by bkn＠ithryn.net

On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:01:27 -0400, James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> My dpkg.py is simply a wrapper around dpkg which parses out the command >> line arguments to determine which packages are being added/removed; it >> also >> uses SUDO_USER to determine the user who called sudo. >> > > apt-get will also install dependencies of the packages you specify. A > simple command line parsing script wouldn't catch this. Perhaps you > handle this already or don't care to track individual libraries. > However, It seemed important enough to mention. > Yes, apt-get and aptitude automatically figure out dependencies and install them, but both apt-get and aptitude call dpkg, or whatever you have the dpkg variable set to in apt.conf, with a list of packages to install (or remove). For example if you run 'apt-get install emacs' apt will download the necessary packages/dependencies and then eventually call 'dpkg --configure emacs emacs22-common emacsen-common emacs22-bin-common emacs22-gtk'; so if you wrap dpkg you'll get a list of all the packages that are installed/removed since all package additions, whether they're dependences or not, are done through dpkg, regardless if you use apt-get or aptitude or install one package or many packages w/ and w/o dependencies. Actually the nice thing about apt is that the people who wrote apt went through great pains to make sure dpkg is called a minimal amount of times; twice for package(s) installation, first for unpacking a package(s) then again to configure the package(s). For package removal dpkg is only called once. This is really nice because if i wrote inefficient code my wrapper will still only get called twice at most, even if i decide to install 100 packages at once. If dpkg was called 100 times to install 100 packages, that would drastically increase the time complexity of installing packages, especially if it's running my code :). -- brad

March 17, 2009

Re: [Wlug] apt + version control

by James Gray

> My dpkg.py is simply a wrapper around dpkg which parses out the command > line arguments to determine which packages are being added/removed; it also > uses SUDO_USER to determine the user who called sudo. > apt-get will also install dependencies of the packages you specify. A simple command line parsing script wouldn't catch this. Perhaps you handle this already or don't care to track individual libraries. However, It seemed important enough to mention.

March 17, 2009

Re: [Wlug] apt + version control

by bkn＠ithryn.net

On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:05:11 -0400, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> wrote: > You could also write a script named apt-get and stick it in the PATH > before the real apt-get, Have it call the real apt-get and log the > parameters and username? You could also have it automagically sudo for > the user too. to make things easier. > This actually ended up being the approach i took. I didn't want to make a wrapper around apt-get because packages can be installed through apt-get, dpkg, aptitude. The solution that i made was to wrote a script called dpkg.py and configure apt to call that script instead of dpkg; this can be by adding Dir::Bin { dpkg "/home/brad/local/bin/dpkg.py"; }; to apt.conf. My dpkg.py is simply a wrapper around dpkg which parses out the command line arguments to determine which packages are being added/removed; it also uses SUDO_USER to determine the user who called sudo. if anyone wants this script let me know, i'll be happy to email it out. It's somewhat crudely written in python with some hardcoded paths (i started to do it in bash/zsh, but had a hard time parsing out the command line args). > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 12:49 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >> >>> I'm trying to find a solution to a problem. I would like tie apt (or >>> dpkg) to some kind of version control system so every time you >>> install/remove a package you much annotate why you're doing so. The >>> reason i'd like to have a system like this is because i co-maintain >>> a linux machine with a few other people and we'd like to keep a >>> running tally as to who installed what packages and why (since the >>> package gets unwieldy after a while). >> >> Hmm...maybe just telling everyone they need to run using sudo apt-get >> ... would be enough? And log the logs? >> the logs doesn't get the user who executed the script. I thought about parsing out the logs, but i thought i could make a better solution. >>> Does anyone know of a system like this? The closest thing i was able >>> to find was something called pkgwatch, which is a package of scripts >>> which wraps around apt and rpm; one of it's features is to diff the >>> list of packages after every call to apt-get which will get the job >>> done. Does anyone know of anything similar? >> >> Sorry, I don't. Sounds like you want 'cvs-apt-get' which is a wrapper >> around apt-get which logs changes and asks for a commit message each >> time. Shouldn't be too hard, again with Sudo to force. >> As i mentioned above, the wrapper approach ended up being how i did it. apt also has hooks to run scripts before and after package additions with a pre-invoke and post-invoke scripts, but it's hard to determine which packages are being added this way. Wrapping dpkg seems to be the best way, at least as far as i've figured out. >> >> Dunno... even in my team environments, we just make sure to email the >> rest of the team to discuss new packages or just let people know you >> put something on. >> Yeah, this seems like a logical approach, but requires way too much diligents. i think i speak for the other admins on this machine by saying i'm way to lazy to email every time i add a package. If this were for work, i might take this approach, but since this is a recreational machine, laziness wins out. Thanks, -- brad

March 17, 2009

Re: [Wlug] apt + version control

by Jason Couture

You could also write a script named apt-get and stick it in the PATH before the real apt-get, Have it call the real apt-get and log the parameters and username? You could also have it automagically sudo for the user too. to make things easier. On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 12:49 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >> I'm trying to find a solution to a problem. I would like tie apt (or >> dpkg) to some kind of version control system so every time you >> install/remove a package you much annotate why you're doing so. The >> reason i'd like to have a system like this is because i co-maintain >> a linux machine with a few other people and we'd like to keep a >> running tally as to who installed what packages and why (since the >> package gets unwieldy after a while). > > Hmm...maybe just telling everyone they need to run using sudo apt-get > ... would be enough? And log the logs? > >> Does anyone know of a system like this? The closest thing i was able >> to find was something called pkgwatch, which is a package of scripts >> which wraps around apt and rpm; one of it's features is to diff the >> list of packages after every call to apt-get which will get the job >> done. Does anyone know of anything similar? > > Sorry, I don't. Sounds like you want 'cvs-apt-get' which is a wrapper > around apt-get which logs changes and asks for a commit message each > time. Shouldn't be too hard, again with Sudo to force. > > Then have tripwire monitor the system to look for other changes. > > Dunno... even in my team environments, we just make sure to email the > rest of the team to discuss new packages or just let people know you > put something on. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 15, 2009

Re: [Wlug] apt + version control

by John Stoffel

> I'm trying to find a solution to a problem. I would like tie apt (or > dpkg) to some kind of version control system so every time you > install/remove a package you much annotate why you're doing so. The > reason i'd like to have a system like this is because i co-maintain > a linux machine with a few other people and we'd like to keep a > running tally as to who installed what packages and why (since the > package gets unwieldy after a while). Hmm...maybe just telling everyone they need to run using sudo apt-get ... would be enough? And log the logs? > Does anyone know of a system like this? The closest thing i was able > to find was something called pkgwatch, which is a package of scripts > which wraps around apt and rpm; one of it's features is to diff the > list of packages after every call to apt-get which will get the job > done. Does anyone know of anything similar? Sorry, I don't. Sounds like you want 'cvs-apt-get' which is a wrapper around apt-get which logs changes and asks for a commit message each time. Shouldn't be too hard, again with Sudo to force. Then have tripwire monitor the system to look for other changes. Dunno... even in my team environments, we just make sure to email the rest of the team to discuss new packages or just let people know you put something on. John

March 14, 2009

apt + version control

by bkn＠ithryn.net

Hi All, I'm trying to find a solution to a problem. I would like tie apt (or dpkg) to some kind of version control system so every time you install/remove a package you much annotate why you're doing so. The reason i'd like to have a system like this is because i co-maintain a linux machine with a few other people and we'd like to keep a running tally as to who installed what packages and why (since the package gets unwieldy after a while). Does anyone know of a system like this? The closest thing i was able to find was something called pkgwatch, which is a package of scripts which wraps around apt and rpm; one of it's features is to diff the list of packages after every call to apt-get which will get the job done. Does anyone know of anything similar? Thanks, -- Brad

March 13, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Screen resolution on my laptop - HELP!

by Eric Martin

Andrew C Wilkin wrote: > I am trying to adjust the screen resolution on my Toshiba Portege > 7140CT. I'm sure it's an adjustment in the xorg.conf file, but I > don't know enough to do it properly. As a matter of fact, I tried > following online instructions only to have no resolution - only lines > and a frozen machine. > > I need this done in the next couple days, please, and would be willing > to drive a reasonable distance to have you look at it. > > If anyone can help me, either by rewriting it for me via email or by > my visit to get it done, please let me know here or by calling my > cell: 508-713-5947. > > Thanks! > Andrew Wilkin Have you tried krandr? or xrandr? (K / X Rotate and Resize) You get a pull down menu with a bunch of choices. As others mentioned, what distro are you running and what desktop environment? -- Eric Martin Key fingerprint = D1C4 086E DBB5 C18E 6FDA B215 6A25 7174 A941 3B9F

Feb. 28, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Screen resolution on my laptop - HELP!

by John Stoffel

Andrew, You don't say which Linux Distro you're using. The newer Ubuntu ones have much improved auto-configuration of the Xserver. First off, I'd make sure you have the latest updates applied. Second, try moving the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to another name and then rebooting. Does your display work then? Greg already replied with some useful help which you can also try, but please give us more info on your Linux Distro so we can offer more targeted help. Cheers, John P.S. I work for Toshiba, but not the laptop side. :]

Feb. 25, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Screen resolution on my laptop - HELP!

by Gregory Avedissian

Looks like my last edit didn't make it into the email. I meant for the resolutions to be: # Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"

Feb. 25, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Screen resolution on my laptop - HELP!

by Gregory Avedissian

I'm assuming you tried "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" and it didn't work. First of all, take a look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for hints. See if there are any errors listed (lines that start with "EE") and see what driver it's trying to load. Your video card should be using the trident driver, but it might be trying to load the vesa driver. Let us know what you find. Manual edits in xorg.conf to try would be to specify the driver, specify some screen resolutions, and if you know them, specify monitor frequencies. Here's your xorg.conf file back with suggested edits. Try uncommenting the Driver line first, and if you need to, then uncomment SubSection "Display" lines. If you don't like those resolutions you can change them to whatever is appropriate for your screen. I only left the most basic ones, as they are most likely to work. You can add more after you get it working. Don't uncomment the HorizSync and VertRefresh without putting the right frequencies in place of xx, yy, aa, and bb. The new xorg is great if it works with your hardware, and if it doesn't, you're up the creek without a paddle. Good luck. Greg Andrew C Wilkin wrote: > I am trying to adjust the screen resolution on my Toshiba Portege > 7140CT. I'm sure it's an adjustment in the xorg.conf file, but I > don't know enough to do it properly. As a matter of fact, I tried > following online instructions only to have no resolution - only lines > and a frozen machine. > > I need this done in the next couple days, please, and would be willing > to drive a reasonable distance to have you look at it. > > If anyone can help me, either by rewriting it for me via email or by > my visit to get it done, please let me know here or by calling my > cell: 508-713-5947. > > Thanks! > Andrew Wilkin > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug # xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. # (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following command: # sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Keyboard" Driver "kbd" Option "XkbRules" "xorg" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "CorePointer" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Configured Video Device" # Driver "trident" # BusID "PCI:1:0:0" # HorizSync xx - yy # VertRefresh aa - bb EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Configured Monitor" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Monitor "Configured Monitor" Device "Configured Video Device" # SubSection "Display" # Depth 24 # Modes "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480" # EndSubSection EndSection Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Default Layout" Screen "Default Screen" EndSection

Feb. 25, 2009

Screen resolution on my laptop - HELP!

by Andrew C Wilkin

I am trying to adjust the screen resolution on my Toshiba Portege 7140CT. I'm sure it's an adjustment in the xorg.conf file, but I don't know enough to do it properly. As a matter of fact, I tried following online instructions only to have no resolution - only lines and a frozen machine. I need this done in the next couple days, please, and would be willing to drive a reasonable distance to have you look at it. If anyone can help me, either by rewriting it for me via email or by my visit to get it done, please let me know here or by calling my cell: 508-713-5947. Thanks! Andrew Wilkin

Feb. 25, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Fedora freezes

by Jamie Guinan

Hi Walt, When it is frozen, can you ssh in from another machine? Ping, even? -Jamie On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, Walt wrote: > Nope, the ONLY two things that work are the light and NmLk. These are > operated (on my Lenovo X61s) using the Fn key. None of the other Fn key > functions operate at time of lock-up. So I'm assuming a panic. > Thanks! > Walt > > > Chuck Anderson wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 07:44:05AM -0500, Walt wrote: > > > >> I can turn the light on (ThinkLight) and the NumLock. Other than that, > >> no keyboard interaction happens. > >> Thanks! > >> > > > > So the little house-shaped light with the "A" inside it that > > represents the state of the Caps Lock function doesn't blink all by > > itself? Because if it does, that indicates that the kernel paniced. > > If it doesn't, then the kernel did not panic. > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Fedora freezes

by Walt

Nope, the ONLY two things that work are the light and NmLk. These are operated (on my Lenovo X61s) using the Fn key. None of the other Fn key functions operate at time of lock-up. So I'm assuming a panic. Thanks! Walt Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 07:44:05AM -0500, Walt wrote: > >> I can turn the light on (ThinkLight) and the NumLock. Other than that, >> no keyboard interaction happens. >> Thanks! >> > > So the little house-shaped light with the "A" inside it that > represents the state of the Caps Lock function doesn't blink all by > itself? Because if it does, that indicates that the kernel paniced. > If it doesn't, then the kernel did not panic. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Fedora freezes

by Walt

Wow, thanks! I guess I have some logs to look through. Thanks, Walt E Johnson wrote: > Walt, > > Next time it locks up, after you reboot, get a look at > /var/log/messages. Page down to check the last entries before the > reboot, which should tell you what was going on when it froze. > > Do: > > less /var/log/messages > > which will output the actual text of the messages that are being saved > in the /var/log directory.messages. > You might need to be root to do this --we do have to be root in Debian > and in Ubuntu. > > Since you have: > > >> messages >> messages-20090125 >> messages-20090201 >> messages-20090208 >> messages-20090215 >> > > it means there are several message logs that have been made recently. > You could also output: > > less /var/log/messages-20090215 > > But let's see the last bunch of entries in the latest one. You could > also select text from these messages, and google that for forum > postings. > > Liz J > > > > > > 2009/2/21 Walt <waltsaw(a)gmail.com>: > >> Hi Walt, >> Anything in /var/log? >> >> TC >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Wireless Video and Linux

by Gary Hanley

> Ritacco, Alan wrote: > Has anyone had any experience with wireless video camera(s) along with > motion sensor detection and recording in Linux? > Looking for what works well, what to buy, install, etc. > > Thanks > > Al I have the Panasonic BL-C131 which I bought last year. It works well under Linux except for the ActiveX stuff like sound, which doesn't work at all, and live panning, which staggers. The motion sensor and recording is done in the device itself so your OS doesn't matter there. Also the only wireless security I can get my camera connected to my router with is WEP. When I set up WPA or WPA2 it won't connect. Not sure why. I haven't been able to google anyone with a similar problem. My other devices all connect fine. So I am happy with the camera and would recommend it, but there could be better cameras out there now for the money which I'm not aware of. -- Gary

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Wireless Video and Linux

by Keith Wright

> From: "Ritacco, Alan" <Alan.Ritacco(a)umassmed.edu> > < short question > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C99621.2786886E > Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; > name=winmail.dat > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > > eJ8+Ih4BAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy > b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEgAEAGQAAAFdpcmVsZXNzIFZpZGVvIGFu < ~60 lines drivelish > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C99621.2786886E-- > > What is an ms-tnef, and can you make it stop? -- Keith

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Wireless Video and Linux

by Conner Finlay

While I can't speak for the hardware side of things, check out ZoneMinder. http://www.zoneminder.com/ On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Ritacco, Alan <Alan.Ritacco(a)umassmed.edu>wrote: > Has anyone had any experience with wireless video camera(s) along with > motion sensor detection and recording in Linux? > Looking for what works well, what to buy, install, etc. > > Thanks > > Al > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- Conner Finlay

Feb. 24, 2009

Wireless Video and Linux

by Ritacco, Alan

Has anyone had any experience with wireless video camera(s) along with motion sensor detection and recording in Linux? Looking for what works well, what to buy, install, etc. Thanks Al

Feb. 24, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Fedora freezes

by Chuck Anderson

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 07:44:05AM -0500, Walt wrote: > I can turn the light on (ThinkLight) and the NumLock. Other than that, > no keyboard interaction happens. > Thanks! So the little house-shaped light with the "A" inside it that represents the state of the Caps Lock function doesn't blink all by itself? Because if it does, that indicates that the kernel paniced. If it doesn't, then the kernel did not panic.

Feb. 23, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Fedora freezes

by Walt

I can turn the light on (ThinkLight) and the NumLock. Other than that, no keyboard interaction happens. Thanks! Walt Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 07:35:14AM -0500, Walt wrote: > >> I have been experiencing freezes with Fedora 10. For no apparent >> reason, the machine just stops. No mouse, no keyboard (no ctrl alt F1 >> or ctrl alt del). I can only reboot with the on-off switch. Any ideas >> as to what I can check? >> Thanks! >> Walt >> > > Is the caps lock light blinking when this happens? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Feb. 23, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Fedora freezes

by E Johnson

Walt, Next time it locks up, after you reboot, get a look at /var/log/messages. Page down to check the last entries before the reboot, which should tell you what was going on when it froze. Do: less /var/log/messages which will output the actual text of the messages that are being saved in the /var/log directory.messages. You might need to be root to do this --we do have to be root in Debian and in Ubuntu. Since you have: > messages > messages-20090125 > messages-20090201 > messages-20090208 > messages-20090215 it means there are several message logs that have been made recently. You could also output: less /var/log/messages-20090215 But let's see the last bunch of entries in the latest one. You could also select text from these messages, and google that for forum postings. Liz J 2009/2/21 Walt <waltsaw(a)gmail.com>: > Hi Walt, > Anything in /var/log? > > TC

Feb. 22, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Fedora freezes

by E Johnson

I had something like this too, in Debian (etch). In my case it was a string of USB disconnect/reconnects, related to either the mouse or the keyboard. /var/log/messages turned up hundereds of messages about this, eventually it would run out of new device numbers to assign to the "new" USB device (keyboard or mouse) and everything would lock up. Yes, when Firefox was running, but I think I reproduced it in Ubuntu 8.04 when no browser at all was running. Upgraded to Debian Lenny some weeks ago, and still had the USB disconnect/reconnect problem although I think I managed to avoid the total-lockup problem --possibly only because we rebooted several times due to power failures & etc. Now running PS2 keyboard here, resulting in no more USB disconnect/reconnect messages in /var/log/messages and no more lockups since then. Running mouse plugged into the laptop running Ubuntu (8.04 hardy) now results in the same USB disconnect/reconnect messages, although it has not locked up yet. But I haven't used it much lately, either. I did notice the other day that it was running a little hot --maybe because it never had a chance to suspend, because of this disconnect/reconnect thing that's constantly happening. What did /var/log/messages report? Liz J 2009/2/21 Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu>: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 07:35:14AM -0500, Walt wrote: >> I have been experiencing freezes with Fedora 10. For no apparent >> reason, the machine just stops. No mouse, no keyboard (no ctrl alt F1 >> or ctrl alt del). I can only reboot with the on-off switch. Any ideas >> as to what I can check? >> Thanks! >> Walt > > Is the caps lock light blinking when this happens? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Feb. 21, 2009

Re: [Wlug] cheap, small computer

by Tim Keller

Another option might be an HP T5730, we've got a model that has an optional PCI slot (so you could put in a hauppauge in the PCI slot. You can put a gig of ram in them and SSD's are small enough you can hide one inside. The only downer I can think of is that the video card is marginal. If you can push data out of the hauppauge that might be your best choice. I put pictures of this up on my picasa site: http://picasaweb.google.com/turbofx/Micro_pcs# Enjoy... Tim. On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:18 PM, David P. Connell <davec99(a)charter.net>wrote: > I am running mythbuntu on a P4 Compaq returned business lease computer that > I originally just picked up to get the Windows XP COA (ironic that I am not > even running Windows on it at all). I added a couple of Hauppauge tuners > (PVR350 and PVR150, now swapped to a single PVR500), an Nvidia 5200 AGP > card > with TV-out, a 120GB HDD, 1GB RAM and a DVD-RW optical drive. The PVR-350 > came with a remote control and sensor. When I found that I only had to > replace a couple of capacitors on the motherboard, I couldn't resist > running > it for a while. It fits on the AV rack since its a desktop form factor. > > There are tons of these things out there for under $100 plus shipping. > You > will likely need to make a couple of upgrades, but there are quite > inexpensive, the correct form factor and not very loud at all. There is a > small processor fan and the power-supply takes care of exhausting the heat. > > Just an option, and the COA, although not intended to be transferred, has > at > least some value, somewhere. > > check out GearXS.com and maybe ecost.com for a general list of available > units. They had some Dells too. > > DaveC > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am weary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 21, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Fedora freezes

by Chuck Anderson

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 07:35:14AM -0500, Walt wrote: > I have been experiencing freezes with Fedora 10. For no apparent > reason, the machine just stops. No mouse, no keyboard (no ctrl alt F1 > or ctrl alt del). I can only reboot with the on-off switch. Any ideas > as to what I can check? > Thanks! > Walt Is the caps lock light blinking when this happens?

Feb. 21, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Fedora freezes

by Walt

Hi Walt, Anything in /var/log? TC Yes, what should I look for? (see below) Check memory and power supply. If you're using a realtime kernel, that's a possible cause of lockup. And if you want to reboot more gracefully, use magic sysrq keys. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_sysrq Note that the instructions say to hold down alt-sysrq, but on my system, that brings up the window to take a screenshot. I have to hold down ctrl-alt-sysrq. Then press keys, one at a time, with a couple seconds between each: r - e - i - s - u - b (or other keys, if appropriate. See the chart in the wikipedia article.) Greg This just started recently; I've had the notebook for almost a year. It's had Fedora 9 and 10 on it. I'm not sure if I have a realtime kernel. Next time it locks, I'll try the ctrl-alt-sysrq. I've been experiencing the same thing. I've assumed it was due to vmware and/or the new scheduler. At one point I got frustrated, confirmed that the computer could still be connected to and just left it alone. After 10 mins or so it started responding again. Seems to happen most when doing something intensive in vmware (like compiling a big program) and opening tabs in firefox. Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com I seem to have VMware installed (if I type vm TAB TAB I get a bunch of choices, but if I rpm -q vmware, it's not installed), but I can't seem to get it to work, I use virtualbox. Thanks for all your help! Walt Smolts says my set-up is http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_7932ef68-1e8a-4e4a-a49c-c9414ff63bd2 Contents of /var/log anaconda.log anaconda.syslog anaconda.xlog aprsd audit BackupPC bittorrent boot.log boot.log-20090125 boot.log-20090201 boot.log-20090208 boot.log-20090215 bro btmp btmp-20090201 clamd.milter cluster collectl ConsoleKit cron cron-20090125 cron-20090201 cron-20090208 cron-20090215 cups dirmngr dirsrv dmesg dmesg.old faillog fax freshclam.log gdm glpi httpd iptraf jetty kismet lastlog ldirectord.log ldirectord.log-20090125 ldirectord.log-20090201 ldirectord.log-20090208 ldirectord.log-20090215 libvirt mail maillog maillog-20090125 maillog-20090201 maillog-20090208 maillog-20090215 mcelog messages messages-20090125 messages-20090201 messages-20090208 messages-20090215 munin mysqld.log mythtv nagios ntpstats ocsinventory-agent PackageKit pm-powersave.log pm-suspend.log ppp prelink privoxy rpmpkgs rpmpkgs-20090125 rpmpkgs-20090201 rpmpkgs-20090208 rpmpkgs-20090215 samba secure secure-20090125 secure-20090201 secure-20090208 secure-20090215 setroubleshoot snort spooler spooler-20090125 spooler-20090201 spooler-20090208 spooler-20090215 squid tallylog tinyerp tomcat5 tor vbox vbox-install.log vdradmin vmware wpa_supplicant.log wtmp wtmp-20081101 xen Xorg.0.log Xorg.0.log.old Xorg.1.log Xorg.1.log.old Xorg.2.log yum.log yum.log-20080302 yum.log-20080423 yum.log-20080630 yum.log-20090101 zabbix zoneminder Tal Cohen wrote: > Hi Walt, > Anything in /var/log? > > TC > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Walt > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 7:35 AM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: [Wlug] Fedora freezes > > I have been experiencing freezes with Fedora 10. For no apparent reason, > the machine just stops. No mouse, no keyboard (no ctrl alt F1 or ctrl alt > del). I can only reboot with the on-off switch. Any ideas as to what I can > check? > Thanks! > Walt > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Feb. 21, 2009

Re: [Wlug] no sound from ubuntu

by John Stoffel

Rich> Thank you all for your assistance. I tried... Rich> Kieran's libao magic got me outputting sound to "ALSA PCM on hw:1 Rich> (pcsp)". This was better than nothing, but it sounds like a Rich> tin-can-and-string phone. Other suggestions I found on the net were dead Rich> ends. Pulseaudio showed rhythmbox sound going to "ALSA PCM on front:0 Rich> (STAC92xx Analog)" but I couldn't get my mixer (right term?) to connect Rich> that to the speakers. Rich> ANYWAY, I went another route, installing ubuntu 8.10 on a Rich> partition on my laptop. It worked out of the box. I finally Rich> heard those bongos! I ran into a problem like this in Ubuntu 9.04 beta for a bit, it took an upgrade to fix. If you have 8.04 with the non-working sound, just upgrade to 8.10 on there and you should be all set, then you can blow away the new and redundant install. John

Feb. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] no sound from ubuntu

by Strazdas, Rich

Thank you all for your assistance. Kieran's libao magic got me outputting sound to "ALSA PCM on hw:1 (pcsp)". This was better than nothing, but it sounds like a tin-can-and-string phone. Other suggestions I found on the net were dead ends. Pulseaudio showed rhythmbox sound going to "ALSA PCM on front:0 (STAC92xx Analog)" but I couldn't get my mixer (right term?) to connect that to the speakers. ANYWAY, I went another route, installing ubuntu 8.10 on a partition on my laptop. It worked out of the box. I finally heard those bongos! -Rich -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of E Johnson Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 6:22 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] no sound from ubuntu I'm running ubuntu 8.04 on Dell 1525n (laptop) and had sound problems out of the box when it arrived April 2008 with ubuntu 7.10 installed. I had it fixed within 24 hours. Then various kernel updates have had sound working or not, seemingly randomly. Now I'm running 8.04, with working sound in kernel 2.6.24-22 generic, which as I recall, did not need extra effort to get it working... they have it right in that one. I think we tested the later kernel and sound was broken again. Getting it going: I would first do Kieran's step 4 before starting to remove obsolete config files & that stuff. If you get any indication your sound is trying to work, go see about the switches in Alsamixer then. We have a new Gregbuilt* desktop in here, which runs ubuntu 8.04 very very nicely. But even in this, we had to set some sound switches oddly --labels on some of these speakers (front, back, etc) did not seem to correspond correctly. So it took some tweaking. If you are running on a Dell laptop (I saw something in your lspci output that mentioned Dell), and if all else fails, I would roll back to ubuntu 8.04 --the kernel I have working here --until the forums quit reporting broken sound.in intrepid. I like ubuntu hardy very well. I can share my amixer output (how switches are set in ALSA) if needed, or other config files or whatever. Your mileage may differ, but there may be some use in checking out what works here. Good luck, Liz J * a WLUG member. 2009/2/20 Kieran O'Callaghan <kieran(a)tiac.net>: > I had the same problem after upgrading to 8.10, below are my notes > from fixing it. These steps worked for me. However, I have the nagging > worry that maybe I didn't have to go through all of it (the steps 1 to > 5) and that maybe I just had to futz around with the volume levels and > other settings to get everything to work. So maybe try the stuff after > step 5 first. > > What seems to have fixed sound after it didn't work after upgrade to > 8.10: > > >From https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio did: > Go to System -> Administration -> and click on Users and Groups. > > Click on Manage Groups, and scroll all the way to the bottom of the > list where you will find: > > * pulse-access > * pulse-rt > > Make sure to highlight each, one at a time, and click Properties. Just > put a check next to each user that you want to be able to have access > to sound. For example, there's "ted" and "root" and "kamilion" listed, > and you only want "kamilion" to have access to sound, that's the one > to check, leave the other two blank. > > Note: The "pulse" group is for pulseaudio internal use, and normal > users should not be added to this group. > > Then did: > 2. Configure libao applications to use PulseAudio: > Code: > > $ echo "default_driver=pulse" >~/.libao > > 3. Perform the following steps to remove obsolete configuration files, > ensure "libflashsupport" is not installed & you have the all the > necessary packages up-to-date: > Code: > > $ rm -r ~/.pulse ~/.asoundrc* > $ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade $ sudo apt-get > remove libflashsupport $ sudo apt-get install libasound2-plugins > padevchooser libao-pulse libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio > > NOTE: Choose Yes to allow unsigned packages to be installed. > > 4. Go to System/Preferences/Sound. Set all "Sound playback" options to > "Autodetect", and set "Sound capture" to "ALSA". > > 5. Reboot for changes to take effect! > > Then had to use: alsamixer -D hw:0 and turn up pcm volume to get sound. > > Recording still didn't work from the built-in mic. Also, the volume > icon vanished somewhere along the line. Brought it back by going to > the panel, right clicking and hitting add and adding it from there. > Once it was there, right clicked on it and went to "open volume > control". Go to preferences for each item in the dropdown and check > everything. What seems to work is, under HDA ATI SB (Alsa Mixer), the > volumes in the recording tab can all be all the way down and the > device not set to be a recording device, under the switches tab > though, it seems to be pretty important that analog loopback is > unchecked. In the options tab, digital input source should be set to digital mic. > Under HDA ATI HDMI (Alsa Mixer), IEC958 should be unchecked Under > Sigmatel STAC9205 (OSS Mixer), it seems that the in-gain level is not > important, as long as it isn't muted. > Capture: Monitor Source of ALSA PCM on front:0 with toggle input > source from master toggled on, unmuted and turned up > Capture: ALSA PCM on front:0 (STAC92xx Analog) .. volume turned up, > unmuted and master toggle on. Doesn't seem to matter what the volume > level is, but it does matter if it's muted. > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug This e-mail message is generated from?Coghlin Companies Inc. or one of its subsidiaries including, but not limited to, Columbia Electrical Contractors, Inc. d/b/a Columbia Tech; DCI Automation, Inc.d/b/a DCI Engineering Services; Cogmedix, Inc.; and Coghlin Precision, Inc. This message may contain information that is?CONFIDENTIAL, and may also possibly contain information that is being held as a Trade Secret.? The information is intended to be disclosed solely to the addressee(s).? If you are the intended recipient, any information herein is to be held as CONFIDENTIAL pursuant to any Non-Disclosure Agreement applicable between the parties, or as a Trade Secret as applicable.? 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Feb. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Fedora freezes

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

I've been experiencing the same thing. I've assumed it was due to vmware and/or the new scheduler. At one point I got frustrated, confirmed that the computer could still be connected to and just left it alone. After 10 mins or so it started responding again. Seems to happen most when doing something intensive in vmware (like compiling a big program) and opening tabs in firefox. Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com Quoting Walt <waltsaw(a)gmail.com>: > I have been experiencing freezes with Fedora 10. For no apparent > reason, the machine just stops. No mouse, no keyboard (no ctrl alt F1 > or ctrl alt del). I can only reboot with the on-off switch. Any ideas > as to what I can check? > Thanks! > Walt

Feb. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Fedora freezes

by Gregory Avedissian

Walt, Check memory and power supply. If you're using a realtime kernel, that's a possible cause of lockup. And if you want to reboot more gracefully, use magic sysrq keys. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_sysrq Note that the instructions say to hold down alt-sysrq, but on my system, that brings up the window to take a screenshot. I have to hold down ctrl-alt-sysrq. Then press keys, one at a time, with a couple seconds between each: r - e - i - s - u - b (or other keys, if appropriate. See the chart in the wikipedia article.) Greg Walt wrote: > I have been experiencing freezes with Fedora 10. For no apparent > reason, the machine just stops. No mouse, no keyboard (no ctrl alt F1 > or ctrl alt del). I can only reboot with the on-off switch. Any ideas > as to what I can check? > Thanks! > Walt > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Feb. 20, 2009

Few things from last night's meeting

by Eric Martin

A couple of things from last night's meeting / dinner that might interest everybody: [IRC] I know people have mentioned it before but WLUG has an irc channel. We're on freenode and it's #wlug-ma. IRC stands for Internet Relay chat and is used for sync communication between people. Check out this wikipedia link [1] for more info. get a copy of Xchat (irc client) and when you open xchat it should prompt you for a server. Click freenode. Next it may ask you for a channel to join, type in #wlug-ma. If it doesn't ask for a channel to join, type "/join #wlug-ma" in the command bar at the bottom. [PGP Keys] Some people mentioned that their pgp keys are expiring in roughly 2 months so we need to have a keysigning again. If your key is expiring soon I would suggest generating a new key now and signing your new key with your old key. This will allow the web of trust to extend to your new key. For generating new keys, there are a few schools of thought. Some people prefer to have their master key be unlimited and generate new subkeys every so often (1/year, etc). This way signatures go to the master key but the subkeys can always be revoked if there's a problem. Others generate a key pair with a 3-5 year expiration and just get signatures again as they need them. The thing to keep in mind is how possible is it that my key will be cracked [expiration] years from now given technology. I think the current plan is to have the key signing in two months (please correct me if I'm wrong) so I'll be sending more stuff out as it gets closer. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC -- Eric Martin Key fingerprint = D1C4 086E DBB5 C18E 6FDA B215 6A25 7174 A941 3B9F

Feb. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Fedora freezes

by Tal Cohen

Hi Walt, Anything in /var/log? TC -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Walt Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 7:35 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] Fedora freezes I have been experiencing freezes with Fedora 10. For no apparent reason, the machine just stops. No mouse, no keyboard (no ctrl alt F1 or ctrl alt del). I can only reboot with the on-off switch. Any ideas as to what I can check? Thanks! Walt _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 20, 2009