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Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX

by Franklin Moody

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 07:24:17PM -0500, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > The up arrow will take you through your command history in reverse order. > If you want to see more than one command at a time, open .bash_history in > your home with a text editor, or, while you're still remembering it, do > 'more .bash_history'. If you remember the command, but you can't recall > what options you used with it, 'grep some-command .bash_history' can help. > > You can set the system to hold more commands, if you want. In debian, the > default is to hold the last 500 commands. I don't recall what it is in > other distros. > > Spiral-bound notebook is good, too. A couple of pages of your favorite > commands and just about anything else will still be readable if the system > crashes. > > Greg Avedissian I usually use "history | grep $blah" when looking for a particular set of command line options... On machines where I don't intentionally disable history for security... Frank

Jan. 13, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX

by Jorden M

apropos is equivalent to man -k On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:00 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >>>>>> "Ken" == Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> writes: > > Ken> Folks, > Ken> I have always wondered at my ability to keep the myriad of LINUX instructions in my head. What would I do if I were to start losing them? Is there a tool to search for recall? > > Ken> Is there any way to go backwards in LINUX command land? If I > Ken> were to remember that there is a command that will print on > Ken> standard output the contents of a file in txt characters, but > Ken> could not for the life of me remember 'more'. Where would I go > Ken> for help (other than sending a email to this list serve)? All > Ken> the command dictionaries I have are alphabetic. > > man -k something > > where something is vaguely related to your needs. In this case, I > just did 'man -k text' and the last things that popped up were > 'zmore'. Plus a bunch of other system calls and library calls about > text handling. > > Maybe pickup one of the linux for beginners books that O'Reilly puts > out? Unix in a Nutshell, etc. That should help you find commands. > > Also, *any* text editor will let you read a text file, even if you > don't want to edit it. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 13, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX

by James Gray

If Google and other search commands don't get what you want you could buy a reference book. Or you could create your own cheat sheet. On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > Folks, > > I have always wondered at my ability to keep the myriad of LINUX > instructions in my head. What would I do if I were to start losing them? > Is there a tool to search for recall? >

Jan. 13, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX

by Gregory Avedissian

The up arrow will take you through your command history in reverse order. If you want to see more than one command at a time, open .bash_history in your home with a text editor, or, while you're still remembering it, do 'more .bash_history'. If you remember the command, but you can't recall what options you used with it, 'grep some-command .bash_history' can help. You can set the system to hold more commands, if you want. In debian, the default is to hold the last 500 commands. I don't recall what it is in other distros. Spiral-bound notebook is good, too. A couple of pages of your favorite commands and just about anything else will still be readable if the system crashes. Greg Avedissian On 01/12/2011 03:56 PM, Ken Jones wrote: > > Folks, > > I have always wondered at my ability to keep the myriad of LINUX > instructions in my head. What would I do if I were to start losing > them? Is there a tool to search for recall? > > Is there any way to go backwards in LINUX command land? If I were to > remember that there is a command that will print on standard output the > contents of a file in txt characters, but could not for the life of me > remember 'more'. Where would I go for help (other than sending a email > to this list serve)? All the command dictionaries I have are alphabetic. > > Ken Jones (the elder) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 13, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Ken" == Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> writes: Ken> Folks, Ken> I have always wondered at my ability to keep the myriad of LINUX instructions in my head. What would I do if I were to start losing them? Is there a tool to search for recall? Ken> Is there any way to go backwards in LINUX command land? If I Ken> were to remember that there is a command that will print on Ken> standard output the contents of a file in txt characters, but Ken> could not for the life of me remember 'more'. Where would I go Ken> for help (other than sending a email to this list serve)? All Ken> the command dictionaries I have are alphabetic. man -k something where something is vaguely related to your needs. In this case, I just did 'man -k text' and the last things that popped up were 'zmore'. Plus a bunch of other system calls and library calls about text handling. Maybe pickup one of the linux for beginners books that O'Reilly puts out? Unix in a Nutshell, etc. That should help you find commands. Also, *any* text editor will let you read a text file, even if you don't want to edit it. John

Jan. 13, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX

by Jorden M

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > Folks, > > I have always wondered at my ability to keep the myriad of LINUX > instructions in my head. What would I do if I were to start losing them? > Is there a tool to search for recall? > > Is there any way to go backwards in LINUX command land? If I were to > remember that there is a command that will print on standard output the > contents of a file in txt characters, but could not for the life of me > remember 'more'. Where would I go for help (other than sending a email to > this list serve)? All the command dictionaries I have are alphabetic. > > Ken Jones (the elder) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > apropos, although that isn't always helpful. Google. There are also some sites that have commands listed categorically.

Jan. 12, 2011

Old man and LINUX

by Ken Jones

Folks, I have always wondered at my ability to keep the myriad of LINUX instructions in my head. What would I do if I were to start losing them? Is there a tool to search for recall? Is there any way to go backwards in LINUX command land? If I were to remember that there is a command that will print on standard output the contents of a file in txt characters, but could not for the life of me remember 'more'. Where would I go for help (other than sending a email to this list serve)? All the command dictionaries I have are alphabetic. Ken Jones (the elder)

Jan. 12, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Canceled due to weather: WLUG meeting Wed 1/12/2011

by Theo Van Dinter

Yeah, it was somewhere between 2-3' of snow. It even has it's own Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fool's_Day_Blizzard And it occurred to me right before finding that page that it was 1997, not 1996. :( I can remember watching the snow from Fuller Apartments, and I wasn't living there in April 1996. On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:39 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Theo> Woh! I remember back in '96 when we were all amazed that they > Theo> closed the campus for the first time in something like 20 years. > Theo> Is this the first time since then? > > Wasn't that the 25" in 24 hours of snow in Worcester storm? I > remember that. I also remember walking to campus for work in the snow > and being surprised it was closed. :]

Jan. 12, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Canceled due to weather: WLUG meeting Wed 1/12/2011

by John Stoffel

Theo> Woh! I remember back in '96 when we were all amazed that they Theo> closed the campus for the first time in something like 20 years. Theo> Is this the first time since then? Wasn't that the 25" in 24 hours of snow in Worcester storm? I remember that. I also remember walking to campus for work in the snow and being surprised it was closed. :]

Jan. 12, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Canceled due to weather: WLUG meeting Wed 1/12/2011

by Kieran O'Callaghan

Grumble. I remember back in either late '92 when I was a 16 year old commuting Mass Academy student and I came back to my car, in my assigned WPI parking lot (across the street from the end of the sports field) and found a parking ticket because apparently the lot was supposed to be clear for snow removal. I'm not sure what channel I was supposed to get a notification about this from. They certainly didn't put up a sign. Classes were most definitely not canceled. The lot was full, so obviously no one else had gotten the message either. Oh, and the ticket was underneath a perfectly even and undisturbed layer of snow, so I'd obviously gotten it before any snow had fallen at all. I'll always remember that as my first parking ticket. Grumble, mumble and additional disgruntled noises. On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 17:46 -0500, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > Woh! I remember back in '96 when we were all amazed that they closed > the campus for the first time in something like 20 years. Is this the > first time since then? > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 12, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Canceled due to weather: WLUG meeting Wed 1/12/2011

by Billy Hnath

Had a few delayed openings/early closings while I was there. I think maybe one full day off from a snowstorm. On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Theo Van Dinter <felicity(a)kluge.net> wrote: > Woh! I remember back in '96 when we were all amazed that they closed > the campus for the first time in something like 20 years. Is this the > first time since then? > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > Due to the weather WPI has decided to close the campus tomorrow. > > Therefore, our WLUG meeting which was scheduled to be held on > > Wednesday, January 12 at 7:00 PM at the WPI campus has been canceled. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- William R. Hnath, Jr Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Graduate Student Aware Inc., Software Engineer

Jan. 11, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Canceled due to weather: WLUG meeting Wed 1/12/2011

by Theo Van Dinter

Woh! I remember back in '96 when we were all amazed that they closed the campus for the first time in something like 20 years. Is this the first time since then? On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Due to the weather WPI has decided to close the campus tomorrow. > Therefore, our WLUG meeting which was scheduled to be held on > Wednesday, January 12 at 7:00 PM at the WPI campus has been canceled.

Jan. 11, 2011

Canceled due to weather: WLUG meeting Wed 1/12/2011

by Chuck Anderson

Hi folks, Due to the weather WPI has decided to close the campus tomorrow. Therefore, our WLUG meeting which was scheduled to be held on Wednesday, January 12 at 7:00 PM at the WPI campus has been canceled. I look forward to seeing everyone at our meeting next month, Wednesday, February 9, 7:00PM. Keep it safe, Chuck President, Worcester Linux Users' Group

Jan. 11, 2011

Re: [Wlug] problems with su and root privileges

by Daniel J Walsh

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Please login via the console as root and execute those commands. Also show what "id" shows for the root user. Executing the following as root will probably fix your problem. # semanage login -m -s unconfined_u __default__ On 01/11/2011 07:00 AM, Walt wrote: > Ran those commands as user. > Walt > > > On 01/10/2011 11:05 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: >> On 01/10/2011 09:35 AM, Walt wrote: >>> semanage login -l and >>> semanage user -l >>> gives: >>> /usr/sbin/semanage: SELinux policy is not managed or store cannot be >>> accessed. >>> I don't know how this came about either. I think it started after a >>> package update, but I'm not sure. >>> Thanks! >>> Walt > >> Did you do these commands as root? > >>> On 01/10/2011 09:23 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: >>>> On 01/10/2011 09:13 AM, Walt wrote: >>>>> id gives: >>>>> uid=500(walt) gid=500(walt) groups=500(walt) context=user_u:user_r:user_t:s0 >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> Walt > >>>> user_t is a confined user, it is not allowed to do root activity. Not >>>> sure how you got this setup, you probably want to run with unconfined_t. > >>>> Please attach the output of >>>> # semanage login -l >>>> # semanage user -l > >>>> If logging in as root gets you a user that is running as user_t, then >>>> you might have to boot the machine in permissive mode. > > > >>>>> On 01/10/2011 08:30 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: >>>>>> On 01/09/2011 04:39 PM, Walt wrote: >>>>>>> Thank you all for the help. >>>>>>> I can access a shell from ctrl alt F2 and can use it to do the admin >>>>>>> work I need to with this system. >>>>>>> find / -name su >>>>>>> gives me a lot of 'permission denied' for many of the directories. >>>>>>> which su >>>>>>> gives me /usr/bin/which: no su in >>>>>>> (/usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/lib/alliance/bin:/usr/libexec/sdcc:/home/walt/bin:/usr/lib/alliance/bin:/usr/libexec/sdcc) > >>>>>>> But the part that bothers me the most is when I want to run yumex or >>>>>>> some other GUI app that requires root privileges, I can't. >>>>>>> Thanks again!! >>>>>>> Walt > >>>>>> These sound like SELinux issues. What does > >>>>>> # id > >>>>>> Show? > >>>>>>> On 01/06/2011 10:18 AM, Tal Cohen wrote: >>>>>>>> Does "which su" find su in your path? > >>>>>>>> If not, try "find / -name su" to find out where it is on your system. > > >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Eric J. Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>> To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:04 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Wlug] problems with su (WAS: help) > > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>>>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>>>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Please log in as roo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0sXUUACgkQrlYvE4MpobN2nwCeNZ1TJNIIbgPa3I+3sbhsRuEk RVgAnih+oQy2XPwmVO9sMfShJ35zIh+Q =2ksp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Jan. 11, 2011

Re: [Wlug] problems with su and root privileges

by Walt

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ran those commands as user. Walt On 01/10/2011 11:05 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > On 01/10/2011 09:35 AM, Walt wrote: >> semanage login -l and >> semanage user -l >> gives: >> /usr/sbin/semanage: SELinux policy is not managed or store cannot be >> accessed. >> I don't know how this came about either. I think it started after a >> package update, but I'm not sure. >> Thanks! >> Walt > > Did you do these commands as root? > >> On 01/10/2011 09:23 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: >>> On 01/10/2011 09:13 AM, Walt wrote: >>>> id gives: >>>> uid=500(walt) gid=500(walt) groups=500(walt) context=user_u:user_r:user_t:s0 >>>> Thanks! >>>> Walt > >>> user_t is a confined user, it is not allowed to do root activity. Not >>> sure how you got this setup, you probably want to run with unconfined_t. > >>> Please attach the output of >>> # semanage login -l >>> # semanage user -l > >>> If logging in as root gets you a user that is running as user_t, then >>> you might have to boot the machine in permissive mode. > > > >>>> On 01/10/2011 08:30 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: >>>>> On 01/09/2011 04:39 PM, Walt wrote: >>>>>> Thank you all for the help. >>>>>> I can access a shell from ctrl alt F2 and can use it to do the admin >>>>>> work I need to with this system. >>>>>> find / -name su >>>>>> gives me a lot of 'permission denied' for many of the directories. >>>>>> which su >>>>>> gives me /usr/bin/which: no su in >>>>>> (/usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/lib/alliance/bin:/usr/libexec/sdcc:/home/walt/bin:/usr/lib/alliance/bin:/usr/libexec/sdcc) > >>>>>> But the part that bothers me the most is when I want to run yumex or >>>>>> some other GUI app that requires root privileges, I can't. >>>>>> Thanks again!! >>>>>> Walt > >>>>> These sound like SELinux issues. What does > >>>>> # id > >>>>> Show? > >>>>>> On 01/06/2011 10:18 AM, Tal Cohen wrote: >>>>>>> Does "which su" find su in your path? > >>>>>>> If not, try "find / -name su" to find out where it is on your system. > > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Eric J. Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>> To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:04 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Wlug] problems with su (WAS: help) > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNLEY5AAoJEGxeLalZnYLuUz0H/1X6VRjNItixaoSR6qaTBwtB x8YlJAcLW0dTTzBVKQblauaq6XOqL2kmaaQVD7gHn9U3P/WfRG52cmGmlNtTpWKH EBbEXo4WwQGRS38U6iGzoqfNyx1eIGeX3ewdLYInXgr3f8Jy/KFSXecuCGR81wH1 hPBejXQvPikDLdzhMRf36YUyys6789ybvRRKwO2+PiUMyi3wZEyG+BURTvdDH8Qt XIPbpagGmLc9ndsEOS9huRE52AkPFxLyvZhqeCHmH8Qz71AvtTvMECFECipIzqHk bWx+9FZAGfwUKnsjrzl0F/TdNMTzbjm9v7DVy0Dhz0sN2+00qYXz5FMzkND3/W4= =s6Em -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Jan. 11, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Proposed Meeting topic: Virtualization technologies...

by James Gray

+1 I would be interested in this topic. On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Theo Van Dinter <felicity(a)kluge.net> wrote: > If I had to choose, I'd want my sores to be closed I guess. :P > > > On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Type 1 vs. type 2 hypervisors, open sores vs. closed, etc. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 10, 2011

Re: [Wlug] problems with su and root privileges

by Daniel J Walsh

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 01/10/2011 09:35 AM, Walt wrote: > semanage login -l and > semanage user -l > gives: > /usr/sbin/semanage: SELinux policy is not managed or store cannot be > accessed. > I don't know how this came about either. I think it started after a > package update, but I'm not sure. > Thanks! > Walt > Did you do these commands as root? > > On 01/10/2011 09:23 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: >> On 01/10/2011 09:13 AM, Walt wrote: >>> id gives: >>> uid=500(walt) gid=500(walt) groups=500(walt) context=user_u:user_r:user_t:s0 >>> Thanks! >>> Walt > >> user_t is a confined user, it is not allowed to do root activity. Not >> sure how you got this setup, you probably want to run with unconfined_t. > >> Please attach the output of >> # semanage login -l >> # semanage user -l > >> If logging in as root gets you a user that is running as user_t, then >> you might have to boot the machine in permissive mode. > > > >>> On 01/10/2011 08:30 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: >>>> On 01/09/2011 04:39 PM, Walt wrote: >>>>> Thank you all for the help. >>>>> I can access a shell from ctrl alt F2 and can use it to do the admin >>>>> work I need to with this system. >>>>> find / -name su >>>>> gives me a lot of 'permission denied' for many of the directories. >>>>> which su >>>>> gives me /usr/bin/which: no su in >>>>> (/usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/lib/alliance/bin:/usr/libexec/sdcc:/home/walt/bin:/usr/lib/alliance/bin:/usr/libexec/sdcc) > >>>>> But the part that bothers me the most is when I want to run yumex or >>>>> some other GUI app that requires root privileges, I can't. >>>>> Thanks again!! >>>>> Walt > >>>> These sound like SELinux issues. What does > >>>> # id > >>>> Show? > >>>>> On 01/06/2011 10:18 AM, Tal Cohen wrote: >>>>>> Does "which su" find su in your path? > >>>>>> If not, try "find / -name su" to find out where it is on your system. > > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Eric J. Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> >>>>>> To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:04 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Wlug] problems with su (WAS: help) > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0rLl8ACgkQrlYvE4MpobNa+wCggRwCXxPoIGnjNC0gwlRHIvjJ zT4AoK2DJIVE+wBjjousYw8FslSCMkQh =1HXW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Jan. 10, 2011

Re: [Wlug] problems with su and root privileges

by Walt

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 semanage login -l and semanage user -l gives: /usr/sbin/semanage: SELinux policy is not managed or store cannot be accessed. I don't know how this came about either. I think it started after a package update, but I'm not sure. Thanks! Walt On 01/10/2011 09:23 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > On 01/10/2011 09:13 AM, Walt wrote: >> id gives: >> uid=500(walt) gid=500(walt) groups=500(walt) context=user_u:user_r:user_t:s0 >> Thanks! >> Walt > > user_t is a confined user, it is not allowed to do root activity. Not > sure how you got this setup, you probably want to run with unconfined_t. > > Please attach the output of > # semanage login -l > # semanage user -l > > If logging in as root gets you a user that is running as user_t, then > you might have to boot the machine in permissive mode. > > > >> On 01/10/2011 08:30 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: >>> On 01/09/2011 04:39 PM, Walt wrote: >>>> Thank you all for the help. >>>> I can access a shell from ctrl alt F2 and can use it to do the admin >>>> work I need to with this system. >>>> find / -name su >>>> gives me a lot of 'permission denied' for many of the directories. >>>> which su >>>> gives me /usr/bin/which: no su in >>>> (/usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/lib/alliance/bin:/usr/libexec/sdcc:/home/walt/bin:/usr/lib/alliance/bin:/usr/libexec/sdcc) > >>>> But the part that bothers me the most is when I want to run yumex or >>>> some other GUI app that requires root privileges, I can't. >>>> Thanks again!! >>>> Walt > >>> These sound like SELinux issues. What does > >>> # id > >>> Show? > >>>> On 01/06/2011 10:18 AM, Tal Cohen wrote: >>>>> Does "which su" find su in your path? > >>>>> If not, try "find / -name su" to find out where it is on your system. > > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Eric J. Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> >>>>> To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:04 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Wlug] problems with su (WAS: help) > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNKxlEAAoJEGxeLalZnYLu/8wH/02YxAFRRtwXMdaPSv/UtNSn am0VnSgE/kM/2QLXbtpQERAMmqFsenYBrlhrpmg8yLXBxwOfDNM6zK0A1u/pOi6E vGnNAtqpgRgkbqu32T4jZDbQMaDpYTU6NEwp39HJxnQCryRJifdcIe2Z5oFAWZqQ daF2U/mb1vM1vgbzweBYvfPt+zdobm0Bh0qQIrHkPX5hiA47WH0AFLbWSJEghe3o BxVuUoeJCfG0DS75I1RohsGP6oPIC2tS4MPlNTU5i2z2YaQHiruX5jDwvPnlScKM /TRk1BKXVD1+AeT12WryaEV8QvZl3/xnVOKn/ng01ampHd5fVJdTvA44/c+10Hc= =iJ4I -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Jan. 10, 2011

Re: [Wlug] problems with su and root privileges

by Daniel J Walsh

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 01/10/2011 09:13 AM, Walt wrote: > id gives: > uid=500(walt) gid=500(walt) groups=500(walt) context=user_u:user_r:user_t:s0 > Thanks! > Walt > user_t is a confined user, it is not allowed to do root activity. Not sure how you got this setup, you probably want to run with unconfined_t. Please attach the output of # semanage login -l # semanage user -l If logging in as root gets you a user that is running as user_t, then you might have to boot the machine in permissive mode. > > On 01/10/2011 08:30 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: >> On 01/09/2011 04:39 PM, Walt wrote: >>> Thank you all for the help. >>> I can access a shell from ctrl alt F2 and can use it to do the admin >>> work I need to with this system. >>> find / -name su >>> gives me a lot of 'permission denied' for many of the directories. >>> which su >>> gives me /usr/bin/which: no su in >>> (/usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/lib/alliance/bin:/usr/libexec/sdcc:/home/walt/bin:/usr/lib/alliance/bin:/usr/libexec/sdcc) > >>> But the part that bothers me the most is when I want to run yumex or >>> some other GUI app that requires root privileges, I can't. >>> Thanks again!! >>> Walt > >> These sound like SELinux issues. What does > >> # id > >> Show? > >>> On 01/06/2011 10:18 AM, Tal Cohen wrote: >>>> Does "which su" find su in your path? > >>>> If not, try "find / -name su" to find out where it is on your system. > > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Eric J. Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> >>>> To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:04 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Wlug] problems with su (WAS: help) > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0rFlIACgkQrlYvE4MpobOl4wCgyrnZiiZOGzdnqpjaZiGKnPUJ YW0Ani6iPCBRf8IC7lGi6peeMt3XY91N =iMh1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Jan. 10, 2011

Re: [Wlug] problems with su and root privileges

by Walt

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 id gives: uid=500(walt) gid=500(walt) groups=500(walt) context=user_u:user_r:user_t:s0 Thanks! Walt On 01/10/2011 08:30 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > On 01/09/2011 04:39 PM, Walt wrote: >> Thank you all for the help. >> I can access a shell from ctrl alt F2 and can use it to do the admin >> work I need to with this system. >> find / -name su >> gives me a lot of 'permission denied' for many of the directories. >> which su >> gives me /usr/bin/which: no su in >> (/usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/lib/alliance/bin:/usr/libexec/sdcc:/home/walt/bin:/usr/lib/alliance/bin:/usr/libexec/sdcc) > >> But the part that bothers me the most is when I want to run yumex or >> some other GUI app that requires root privileges, I can't. >> Thanks again!! >> Walt > > These sound like SELinux issues. What does > > # id > > Show? > >> On 01/06/2011 10:18 AM, Tal Cohen wrote: >>> Does "which su" find su in your path? > >>> If not, try "find / -name su" to find out where it is on your system. > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Eric J. Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> >>> To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:04 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Wlug] problems with su (WAS: help) > > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNKxPtAAoJEGxeLalZnYLuRKQIAKq28tGgb2wQFL1GuPwOUqex FJc+pABHFFPkpagRSBQSpuVBmBz0ThHN9pUs6UIsKmNmKsY1GNDSVrPSuDTfZDMk DDzUcDPzKnl9gtH2C45S1JVxnNeLhEiqUOf/HS6rIXrXE1MPcfP8oHMjQe7ioCGd KBL45JzUHV+3a4AgQuZLZC1HEU9MVxO5y1ghmiE8/DWkLt1raPeEbVfoDzR+a/CO bp6I5NY4n+82A1f4dnk8OJUHRuHvb9dWqnZovlDcZACAKSd3ZEfwlLqkSPBL7OY+ fRAdumeADuQArembdcCUDV/Ze6IzwcUoLbmTqTy/FEF8wgyi4RqEDUOtu+qBreM= =jYmu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Jan. 10, 2011

Re: [Wlug] problems with su and root privileges

by Daniel J Walsh

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 01/09/2011 04:39 PM, Walt wrote: > Thank you all for the help. > I can access a shell from ctrl alt F2 and can use it to do the admin > work I need to with this system. > find / -name su > gives me a lot of 'permission denied' for many of the directories. > which su > gives me /usr/bin/which: no su in > (/usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/lib/alliance/bin:/usr/libexec/sdcc:/home/walt/bin:/usr/lib/alliance/bin:/usr/libexec/sdcc) > > But the part that bothers me the most is when I want to run yumex or > some other GUI app that requires root privileges, I can't. > Thanks again!! > Walt > These sound like SELinux issues. What does # id Show? > > On 01/06/2011 10:18 AM, Tal Cohen wrote: >> Does "which su" find su in your path? > >> If not, try "find / -name su" to find out where it is on your system. > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Eric J. Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> >> To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:04 AM >> Subject: Re: [Wlug] problems with su (WAS: help) > > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0rCecACgkQrlYvE4MpobO6lwCgw2DwmmeASf4/e6UG62H3itcS 9/QAoL/Bf3svs6gWMA/CFQSxjM0t5Rs6 =+qPs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Jan. 10, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Proposed Meeting topic: Virtualization technologies...

by Theo Van Dinter

If I had to choose, I'd want my sores to be closed I guess. :P On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Type 1 vs. type 2 hypervisors, open sores vs. closed, etc.

Jan. 9, 2011

Re: [Wlug] problems with su and root privileges

by Walt

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thank you all for the help. I can access a shell from ctrl alt F2 and can use it to do the admin work I need to with this system. find / -name su gives me a lot of 'permission denied' for many of the directories. which su gives me /usr/bin/which: no su in (/usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/lib/alliance/bin:/usr/libexec/sdcc:/home/walt/bin:/usr/lib/alliance/bin:/usr/libexec/sdcc) But the part that bothers me the most is when I want to run yumex or some other GUI app that requires root privileges, I can't. Thanks again!! Walt On 01/06/2011 10:18 AM, Tal Cohen wrote: > Does "which su" find su in your path? > > If not, try "find / -name su" to find out where it is on your system. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric J. Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Wlug] problems with su (WAS: help) > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNKisYAAoJEGxeLalZnYLuV+oIAJOgTeD53+Xi5NOYb5oGUE6f /tXTcyd1nIxC3bC6YNr8bpBj4eirkPK5U6DMpxQjGhVv06F8sGRTltvwvSCS+R2d pVh9WfERAAhBnufetX75mhGF7u/kDpKl5EEhhVF8ksniSsw69+r7sjJvd1mralTe Pi0UP2amrWDyRTIJc7bPBJRsWTopJvNlVLCnQ3pML0/nH56nKBKPsB8127i3qPAN PcJBC8FXy9fnXZfUOwQ2inxl6FvEE5QpWSqXwIW5seMfKbM+vo397kNaiBeUcgbb iykolndBaBSNT4M9bOvd8Qh1ems4XN277LR1vRf2jScKPhSOMTzMRIufNqvsDHY= =en8V -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Jan. 9, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Proposed Meeting topic: Virtualization technologies...

by Jason Couture

You've got my interest. Sent from my android wireless device. On Jan 9, 2011 3:02 PM, "Tim Keller" <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hey Gang, I'd be up for giving a talk about virtualization technologies. Type 1 vs. type 2 hypervisors, open sores vs. closed, etc. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 9, 2011

Proposed Meeting topic: Virtualization technologies...

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, I'd be up for giving a talk about virtualization technologies. Type 1 vs. type 2 hypervisors, open sores vs. closed, etc. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 9, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 87, Issue 3

by Richard Klein

Man, if that doesn't sound like a Phil Collins song... On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Kevin Harrington <mad.hephaestus(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Try "sudo su". I remember needing to do this on some Linux variant, but I don't remember which. -- Rich

Jan. 6, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 87, Issue 3

by Kevin Harrington

Try "sudo su". I remember needing to do this on some Linux variant, but I don't remember which. ~Kevin Harrington On Jan 6, 2011, at 12:00 PM, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: problems with su (WAS: help) (Tal Cohen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:18:33 -0500 > From: "Tal Cohen" <wlug(a)cohen123.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] problems with su (WAS: help) > To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <4C901AF48ABD4E078B84E9530841B1A0@assetid00041> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Does "which su" find su in your path? > > If not, try "find / -name su" to find out where it is on your system. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric J. Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Wlug] problems with su (WAS: help) > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 87, Issue 3 > ***********************************

Jan. 6, 2011

Re: [Wlug] problems with su (WAS: help)

by Tal Cohen

Does "which su" find su in your path? If not, try "find / -name su" to find out where it is on your system. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric J. Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Wlug] problems with su (WAS: help) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 6, 2011

Re: [Wlug] problems with su (WAS: help)

by Eric J. Martin

On 01/05/11 19:52, Jason Couture wrote: > > I'm on my phone at work, would someone mind elaborating on that last > email for me? > Certainly :) > > Can I suggest $PATH may be incorrect in .bashrc? > First off, at the prompt, type echo $PATH # echo $PATH That will give your your path variable that is created by your machine profile (/etc/profile) as well as your local profile (probably .bashrc and .bash_profile). Mine looks like this (the first three entries are the important ones) me@machine ~ $ echo $PATH /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.4.4:/opt/android-sdk-update-manager/tools:/opt/android-sdk-update-manager/platform-tools:/home/me/bin:/home/me/sandbox/scripts:/home/me/bin:/home/me/sandbox/scripts Without /usr/bin and /bin being in your path, your machine won't execute anything from those folders if you only type the name. Also, have you found the su program yet? -- Eric Martin Key fingerprint = D1C4 086E DBB5 C18E 6FDA B215 6A25 7174 A941 3B9F

Jan. 6, 2011

Re: [Wlug] help

by Jason Couture

I'm on my phone at work, would someone mind elaborating on that last email for me? Sent from my android wireless device. On Jan 5, 2011 7:51 PM, "Jason Couture" <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> wrote: Can I suggest $PATH may be incorrect in .bashrc? Sent from my android wireless device. > > On Jan 5, 2011 7:42 PM, "Kieran O'Callaghan" <kieran(a)tiac.net> wrote: > > For su, have you... > > > > > On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 08:15 -0500, Walt wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > ... ... > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://...

Jan. 6, 2011

Re: [Wlug] help

by Jason Couture

Can I suggest $PATH may be incorrect in .bashrc? Sent from my android wireless device. On Jan 5, 2011 7:42 PM, "Kieran O'Callaghan" <kieran(a)tiac.net> wrote: For su, have you tried: sudo su or: sudo su - or possibly (but unlikely if it actually says it's not found): su - Also, try the full path to su, /bin/su. Otherwise, do you have /sbin/sulogin? You might be able to: sudo sulogin or /usr/bin/sudo /sbin/sulogin or whatever path those are on if they're there. For that matter, have you tried: whereis su Also, not sure if it's possible in Fedora, but can you open a virtual terminal, say ctrl-alt-f2 and log in as root? If so, retry all the things listed above. If you can find su check the permissions. You might need to run something like chmod a+x /bin/su On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 08:15 -0500, Walt wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 ... > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://...

Jan. 6, 2011

Re: [Wlug] help

by Kieran O'Callaghan

For su, have you tried: sudo su or: sudo su - or possibly (but unlikely if it actually says it's not found): su - Also, try the full path to su, /bin/su. Otherwise, do you have /sbin/sulogin? You might be able to: sudo sulogin or /usr/bin/sudo /sbin/sulogin or whatever path those are on if they're there. For that matter, have you tried: whereis su Also, not sure if it's possible in Fedora, but can you open a virtual terminal, say ctrl-alt-f2 and log in as root? If so, retry all the things listed above. If you can find su check the permissions. You might need to run something like chmod a+x /bin/su On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 08:15 -0500, Walt wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I'm having issues with my Fedora 13 laptop; su command not found, yumex > gives 'unknown error' then backend not running as expected (yumex will > close) > > Any ideas on how to fix this? > Thanks! > Walt > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNJG7qAAoJEGxeLalZnYLuZiAH/AysjjmYYjK/u6QhsaP6zoWR > XEsww+D0R88Mbj65SRWscb0ibgA8zvJFDdWFt1NSOItrUQQ3Lr4TDLroKMU9XW35 > hzLrMnPbW0q/qGIopxIpfg4nj+XX2FZ5Ib9vkBTCgsiu792XIuit+SJUaDel2Cqv > XcYC46VxhjhNxziz/t21v3/8mRKMkZ2IOCWBFj96dGGzvkqIzzDLUAA8Ri4ZTIap > +lJ+fQT+s8QMZfH3F1dogqvOFhU8iMSdF84Si01F4JyI/a7tskBbJTtAmQOustWW > nEcbPkdzB3nJ6moEnAdN9hz9t7EteSbUQzHojmv3IOibWU9n8CZKGHyY+olmyO0= > =vZgE > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 6, 2011

Re: [Wlug] help

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 03:05:45PM -0500, Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 08:15:29AM -0500, Walt wrote: > > I'm having issues with my Fedora 13 laptop; su command not found, yumex > > gives 'unknown error' then backend not running as expected (yumex will > > close) > > > > Any ideas on how to fix this? > > You don't give us much to go on. How about booting into single user > mode by appending " single" to the end of the kernel line in grub? > Then from the single user root shell try: > > touch /.autorelabel > > and reboot. Maybe SELinux labeling is messed up somehow. Alternatively, just add " autorelabel" to the end of the grub kernel line.

Jan. 5, 2011

Re: [Wlug] help

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 08:15:29AM -0500, Walt wrote: > I'm having issues with my Fedora 13 laptop; su command not found, yumex > gives 'unknown error' then backend not running as expected (yumex will > close) > > Any ideas on how to fix this? You don't give us much to go on. How about booting into single user mode by appending " single" to the end of the kernel line in grub? Then from the single user root shell try: touch /.autorelabel and reboot. Maybe SELinux labeling is messed up somehow.

Jan. 5, 2011

Re: [Wlug] help

by Justin St. Marie

> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > >I'm having issues with my Fedora 13 laptop; su command not found, yumex > >gives 'unknown error' then backend not running as expected (yumex will > >close) > > >Any ideas on how to fix this? > >Thanks! > >Walt > Does rpm -V coreutils or rpm -V yum return anything? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNJG7qAAoJEGxeLalZnYLuZiAH/AysjjmYYjK/u6QhsaP6zoWR > XEsww+D0R88Mbj65SRWscb0ibgA8zvJFDdWFt1NSOItrUQQ3Lr4TDLroKMU9XW35 > hzLrMnPbW0q/qGIopxIpfg4nj+XX2FZ5Ib9vkBTCgsiu792XIuit+SJUaDel2Cqv > XcYC46VxhjhNxziz/t21v3/8mRKMkZ2IOCWBFj96dGGzvkqIzzDLUAA8Ri4ZTIap > +lJ+fQT+s8QMZfH3F1dogqvOFhU8iMSdF84Si01F4JyI/a7tskBbJTtAmQOustWW > nEcbPkdzB3nJ6moEnAdN9hz9t7EteSbUQzHojmv3IOibWU9n8CZKGHyY+olmyO0= > =vZgE > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Jan. 5, 2011

Re: [Wlug] help

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Walt" == Walt <waltsaw(a)gmail.com> writes: Walt> I'm having issues with my Fedora 13 laptop; su command not Walt> found, yumex gives 'unknown error' then backend not running as Walt> expected (yumex will close) Did the system recently crash and have to be rebooted by any chance? What does 'yup update' show? I'm not familiar with Fedora at all, so my help will be more general in nature. Hmm... take a look in /lost+found maybe? Do you have files in there? I'm assuming that / holds everything on your system, beyond maybe /boot in it's own seperate little partition. Have you looked in /var/log/messages as well? John

Jan. 5, 2011

Re: [Wlug] help

by Eric Martin

On 01/05/11 08:15, Walt wrote: > I'm having issues with my Fedora 13 laptop; su command not found, yumex > gives 'unknown error' then backend not running as expected (yumex will > close) I'm not familiar with Fedora, but do you need to supply the full path? On my Gentoo box it's /bin/su but it might be elsewhere for you. Also, does /bin/su exist? -- eric GnuPG Fingerprint = D1C4 086E DBB5 C18E 6FDA B215 6A25 7174 A941 3B9F

Jan. 5, 2011

help

by Walt

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm having issues with my Fedora 13 laptop; su command not found, yumex gives 'unknown error' then backend not running as expected (yumex will close) Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks! Walt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNJG7qAAoJEGxeLalZnYLuZiAH/AysjjmYYjK/u6QhsaP6zoWR XEsww+D0R88Mbj65SRWscb0ibgA8zvJFDdWFt1NSOItrUQQ3Lr4TDLroKMU9XW35 hzLrMnPbW0q/qGIopxIpfg4nj+XX2FZ5Ib9vkBTCgsiu792XIuit+SJUaDel2Cqv XcYC46VxhjhNxziz/t21v3/8mRKMkZ2IOCWBFj96dGGzvkqIzzDLUAA8Ri4ZTIap +lJ+fQT+s8QMZfH3F1dogqvOFhU8iMSdF84Si01F4JyI/a7tskBbJTtAmQOustWW nEcbPkdzB3nJ6moEnAdN9hz9t7EteSbUQzHojmv3IOibWU9n8CZKGHyY+olmyO0= =vZgE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Jan. 5, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Any idea where to find a job?

by Jason Couture

I should also mention that I have limited experience troubleshooting and repairing Gilbarco Eclipse/Encore 500's, Systech serial port servers, and InCon TS-1001/2002. -- Jason Couture -- This message is intended to be viewed only by the listed recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message without the permission of the sender is strictly prohibited. If you are not one of the listed recipients, or you suspect you have received this communication in error, please do not read it; notify sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete the original message and any copies. On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Any it position will do, as for travel marlboro, framingham, etc are all > fine by me, boston would be a bit far. > > My retail experience consists of: logistics, electronics sales, and hourly > management. Prior to that I used to sell, repair and build computers. And > would troubleshoot and set up networks. As well as contract programming. I'm > a jack of all trades when it comes to computers really. Id actually like to > avoid any linux positions as I'm not really sure how to rate my knowledge. I > can install a working gentoo system without the handbook, if that gives any > hints. > > Sent from my android wireless device. > > On Dec 23, 2010 2:11 PM, "Cole Lavallee" <colelavallee(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > What are your options for travel? > Are you looking solely for just a Linux position? To be honest, they're > hard to come by. (100% Linux) without experience. > > What is your retail experience include? I worked at Best Buy selling > computers for 2 years & had 9 months of college course work completed when I > landed my first position. (Windows desktop support role) That was 3 years > ago this month, now I work with Linux/Windows/VMware/Networking/Storage/etc. > > > > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:10 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > > > > > Jason> If anyone k... > > -- > Cole Lavallee > 401.935.4007 > http://www.linkedin.com/in/colelavallee > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Dec. 23, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Any idea where to find a job?

by Jason Couture

Any it position will do, as for travel marlboro, framingham, etc are all fine by me, boston would be a bit far. My retail experience consists of: logistics, electronics sales, and hourly management. Prior to that I used to sell, repair and build computers. And would troubleshoot and set up networks. As well as contract programming. I'm a jack of all trades when it comes to computers really. Id actually like to avoid any linux positions as I'm not really sure how to rate my knowledge. I can install a working gentoo system without the handbook, if that gives any hints. Sent from my android wireless device. On Dec 23, 2010 2:11 PM, "Cole Lavallee" <colelavallee(a)gmail.com> wrote: What are your options for travel? Are you looking solely for just a Linux position? To be honest, they're hard to come by. (100% Linux) without experience. What is your retail experience include? I worked at Best Buy selling computers for 2 years & had 9 months of college course work completed when I landed my first position. (Windows desktop support role) That was 3 years ago this month, now I work with Linux/Windows/VMware/Networking/Storage/etc. On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:10 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > > Jason> If anyone k... -- Cole Lavallee 401.935.4007 http://www.linkedin.com/in/colelavallee _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 23, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Any idea where to find a job?

by Cole Lavallee

What are your options for travel? Are you looking solely for just a Linux position? To be honest, they're hard to come by. (100% Linux) without experience. What is your retail experience include? I worked at Best Buy selling computers for 2 years & had 9 months of college course work completed when I landed my first position. (Windows desktop support role) That was 3 years ago this month, now I work with Linux/Windows/VMware/Networking/Storage/etc. On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:10 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Jason> If anyone knows of any entry level it oppurtunities in the > Jason> area, it would be much appreciated. I have 0 certifications but > Jason> I can more than prove myself. I've been stuck in retail for a > Jason> few years now and id like to escape it. If anyone knows of any > Jason> positions, please let me know. :-) > > Get your name known out in the wilder world by learning something well > (Linux software RAID) and helping out others. Spend the time to learn > new things on your own time. > > Network, network, network. Talk to people, ask about jobs, maybe > think about working in a retail computer type job if you can find > one. > > Check monster.com, dice.com, lopsa.org, sage.org and other sites like > that for job leads. Check your local colleges, non-profits, high > schools, etc. Look for opportunities anywhere you can. Volunteer > somewhere doing IT work, even if it's just entering data at first, > show a willingness to learn and take on tasks. > > It also depends on your educational background to a degree. If you > have a college degree, talk to your alma mater and see what resources > they have you can use. If you haven't done college, or didn't > complete it, look into doing so. It's a springboard. > > Post on facebook that you're looking, join linked-in.com, get the word > out you're looking. > > I personally don't think certifications are worth much, but it can > show that you can learn. Look in the paper for waht IT, networking, > programming positions are out there, and think about how you can > improve you skill set to meet those needs. IT is in a tough spot > right now. You might need to actually move to where the jobs are. If > you are flexible and willing to move, maybe there's someone like > spacex.com looking for a tech out on a pacific island somewhere. > Maybe you could get that? > > I'm just tossing off ideas, but it's upto you to show them that you > know your stuff, and that when you *don't* know, you can learn. Being > able to learn quickly and on your own is the single best skill you can > bring to any employer. Show them that you have this skill. > > John > > And no, my $WORK doesn't have any openings right now. Sorry. > Hmm... check redhat's website too, I think they were hiing in their > westford office recently. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Cole Lavallee 401.935.4007 http://www.linkedin.com/in/colelavallee

Dec. 23, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Any idea where to find a job?

by John Stoffel

Jason> If anyone knows of any entry level it oppurtunities in the Jason> area, it would be much appreciated. I have 0 certifications but Jason> I can more than prove myself. I've been stuck in retail for a Jason> few years now and id like to escape it. If anyone knows of any Jason> positions, please let me know. :-) Get your name known out in the wilder world by learning something well (Linux software RAID) and helping out others. Spend the time to learn new things on your own time. Network, network, network. Talk to people, ask about jobs, maybe think about working in a retail computer type job if you can find one. Check monster.com, dice.com, lopsa.org, sage.org and other sites like that for job leads. Check your local colleges, non-profits, high schools, etc. Look for opportunities anywhere you can. Volunteer somewhere doing IT work, even if it's just entering data at first, show a willingness to learn and take on tasks. It also depends on your educational background to a degree. If you have a college degree, talk to your alma mater and see what resources they have you can use. If you haven't done college, or didn't complete it, look into doing so. It's a springboard. Post on facebook that you're looking, join linked-in.com, get the word out you're looking. I personally don't think certifications are worth much, but it can show that you can learn. Look in the paper for waht IT, networking, programming positions are out there, and think about how you can improve you skill set to meet those needs. IT is in a tough spot right now. You might need to actually move to where the jobs are. If you are flexible and willing to move, maybe there's someone like spacex.com looking for a tech out on a pacific island somewhere. Maybe you could get that? I'm just tossing off ideas, but it's upto you to show them that you know your stuff, and that when you *don't* know, you can learn. Being able to learn quickly and on your own is the single best skill you can bring to any employer. Show them that you have this skill. John And no, my $WORK doesn't have any openings right now. Sorry. Hmm... check redhat's website too, I think they were hiing in their westford office recently.

Dec. 23, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Any idea where to find a job?

by Adam Keck

Well... You are in a tough spot with no certs and limited recent IT experience. If you can wrangle an RHCE, you will have a better time looking for Linux work. RHCE is the most recognized Red Hat certification and Red Hat and its brother CentOS continue to be popular Linux platforms in area corporations. Also, find places where you can volunteer your IT skills in return for recommendations/references or do contract work. Volunteering and contract work will allow you to expand your contact network. Some companies pay employees for successful referrals. Also, terminating an employee can be very costly, so hiring managers sometimes favor less skilled "known quantities" over unknowns that look better on paper. My .02, -Adam On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote: > If anyone knows of any entry level it oppurtunities in the area, it would > be much appreciated. I have 0 certifications but I can more than prove > myself. I've been stuck in retail for a few years now and id like to escape > it. If anyone knows of any positions, please let me know. :-) > > Thanks in advance! > > Sent from my android wireless device. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Dec. 23, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Dec Meeting announcement / linux-raid problem

by Chuck Anderson

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 06:42:36AM -0500, Eric Martin wrote: > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:52 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > > >>>>> "Eric" == Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > > Eric> Now, the main reason for my email. My mythbox / home file > > Eric> server runs linux soft-raid in RAID5 with 3 500GB disks. One > > Eric> disk went bad a while ago and the array never rebuilt itself. > > > > So you only had two 500Gb disks left in the array? > > > Correct. I just received my new disk yesterday and dd_rescued the data from > the bad disk onto a fresh disk. the array won't start, so here's the info > you asked for I know it is confusing, but ddrescue and dd_rescue are two different projects that have no relation to each other, other than the fact that they do similar things. GNU ddrescue is the more advanced of the two and I would recommend it over dd_rescue--it may be able to recover more data (unless you use the cumbersome dd_rhelp helper shell script with dd_rescue). Check this out: http://www.toad.com/gnu/sysadmin/index.html#ddrescue > BTW, this is what I was missing. there was no warning that my disk was > bad! Like I said, I have backups but the last one failed so I want > something tighter I run smartd (from smartmontools) and mdmonitor (mdmon) as daemons to monitor for SMART errors and array issues. On Fedora/Red Hat like systems this is as simple as: chkconfig mdmonitor on chkconfig smartd on service mdmonitor start chkconfig smartd start (and making sure that root mail goes somewhere useful) mdmon will monitor the arrays that are specified in /etc/mdadm.conf (which incidentally is written automatically by the Fedora installer) and let you know if any component device of an array has trouble or drops out for any reason. smartd will monitor devices listed in /etc/smartd.conf (or with DEVICESCAN it will scan and monitor all available ATA/SCSI devices on the system) and let you know if you start getting uncorrectable errors, reallocated sectors, etc. which can be a nice early-warning system. I usually replace disks as soon as a single sector is reallocated or "pending". But even with these, you still should "scrub" the array--try to read every sector on all devices that make up the array--to find errors that might otherwise be missed. I believe that is what the checkarray script that John posted about does. checkarray appears to be a Debian-specific script. My Fedora system has a similar one called raid-check: /etc/cron.weekly/99-raid-check /etc/sysconfig/raid-check #!/bin/bash # # Configuration file for /etc/cron.weekly/raid-check # # options: # ENABLED - must be yes in order for the raid check to proceed # CHECK - can be either check or repair depending on the type of # operation the user desires. A check operation will scan # the drives looking for bad sectors and automatically # repairing only bad sectors. If it finds good sectors that # contain bad data (meaning that the data in a sector does # not agree with what the data from another disk indicates # the data should be, for example the parity block + the other # data blocks would cause us to think that this data block # is incorrect), then it does nothing but increments the # counter in the file /sys/block/$dev/md/mismatch_count. # This allows the sysadmin to inspect the data in the sector # and the data that would be produced by rebuilding the # sector from redundant information and pick the correct # data to keep. The repair option does the same thing, but # when it encounters a mismatch in the data, it automatically # updates the data to be consistent. However, since we really # don't know whether it's the parity or the data block that's # correct (or which data block in the case of raid1), it's # luck of the draw whether or not the user gets the right # data instead of the bad data. This option is the default # option for devices not listed in either CHECK_DEVS or # REPAIR_DEVS. # CHECK_DEVS - a space delimited list of devs that the user specifically # wants to run a check operation on. # REPAIR_DEVS - a space delimited list of devs that the user # specifically wants to run a repair on. # SKIP_DEVS - a space delimited list of devs that should be skipped # # Note: the raid-check script intentionaly runs last in the cron.weekly # sequence. This is so we can wait for all the resync operations to complete # and then check the mismatch_count on each array without unduly delaying # other weekly cron jobs. If any arrays have a non-0 mismatch_count after # the check completes, we echo a warning to stdout which will then me emailed # to the admin as long as mails from cron jobs have not been redirected to # /dev/null. We do not wait for repair operations to complete as the # md stack will correct any mismatch_cnts automatically. # # Note2: you can not use symbolic names for the raid devices, such as you # /dev/md/root. The names used in this file must match the names seen in # /proc/mdstat and in /sys/block. ENABLED=yes CHECK=check # To check devs /dev/md0 and /dev/md3, use "md0 md3" CHECK_DEVS="" REPAIR_DEVS="" SKIP_DEVS="" Finally, if you do come across bad sectors on a device, they will only usually be reallocated to a spare sector on the media when the sector is written to rather than just read from. As a last ditch "I really want to continue using this bad disk, please just reallocate the bad sectors and I'll deal with the data that is already lost" you can try to force a reallocation with hdparm --repair-sector: --repair-sector This is an alias for the --write-sector flag. VERY DANGEROUS. --write-sector Writes zeros to the specified sector number. VERY DANGEROUS. The sector number must be given (base10) after this flag. hdparm will issue a low-level write (completely bypassing the usual block layer read/write mechanisms) to the specified sec- tor. This can be used to force a drive to repair a bad sector (media error). But I would really think about replacing any disks that have developed such bad sectors, as it is only a matter of time before you run out of spare sectors to reallocate to.

Dec. 23, 2010

Any idea where to find a job?

by Jason Couture

If anyone knows of any entry level it oppurtunities in the area, it would be much appreciated. I have 0 certifications but I can more than prove myself. I've been stuck in retail for a few years now and id like to escape it. If anyone knows of any positions, please let me know. :-) Thanks in advance! Sent from my android wireless device.

Dec. 23, 2010

Re: [Wlug] disk/Raid ideas

by Eric Martin

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On a side note, if your running a software raid, you should also be running > mdmonitor and have a valid email address in the config file. > > Now somebody tells me! Thank you Tim, I wish I had that advice a year ago when I built the array. -- Eric Martin

Dec. 21, 2010

Re: [Wlug] disk/Raid ideas

by Tim Keller

On a side note, if your running a software raid, you should also be running mdmonitor and have a valid email address in the config file. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Theo Van Dinter <felicity(a)kluge.net>wrote: > >> Did the second drive completely fail or is it just a bad block? Does >> the array work at all? If the disk is marked bad (RAID metadata), >> then maybe you can mark it as ok, get the array online, and copy off >> as much data as possible (starting with the most important files >> first, of course). >> > > Bad blocks and I think it's still marked ok (see other email thread with > mdadm data. > > >> You may be able to dd the data per disk, skipping any bad blocks, to >> another disk and then possibly be able to access some of the array >> that way. >> > Done > >> >> And of course ... you do have a backup of that data somewhere, right? :) >> > > Yep, just not as current as I want it (within a few days). > >> >> >> In general, some rules of thumb are: >> - RAID is not a replacement for backups >> - RAID 5 becomes more problematic as disk sizes + number of disks >> increase, look at something like RAID 6 (raid-dp, raidz2, whatever >> your implementation calls it) instead. >> - Be aggressive about fixing bad disks in order to shorten the >> catastrophe window. >> > > The purpose of raid in this machine was to make it faster and fail > gracefully (of course it not mentioning that a drive or two failed isn't > living up to that promise). I have rsnapshot running every 4 hours, but the > last few days of the server running it wasn't getting everything and I > didn't realize it. The goal right now is to understand software RAID better > while trying to get my data back in the window of no backups. If I can't > get it running tonight, I'm throwing in the towel and restoring from backup. > > >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Eric Martin >> <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > It's raid 5, and I can't recover the group because of a hd error on two >> > disks. I wanted to see if I could move that data somewhere else to >> force a >> > rebuild but it looks like a no. Oh well, to the backup drive. >> > >> > On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> What kind of raid? If it was raid 5 I don't believe you can rebuild the >> >> array unless you have 2 surviving disks, so unless you can somehow >> recover >> >> one of the other two it would seem you are sol. Been a long time since >> I've >> >> done anything but 0, 1 and 0+1 so I could be wrong. >> >> >> >> Sent from my android wireless device. >> >> >> >> On Dec 18, 2010 12:48 PM, "Doug Mildram" <dmildram(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> You're hosed (i think) unless >> >> >> >> -- you're rich and you send the disks to a shop for megabucks (they >> may >> >> start with a trivial purchase of 2-3 identical model disks) >> >> >> >> -- OR IF your problem was NOT the actual platters/heads, YOU obtain >> 1-2 >> >> same-model disks, swap the board from a replacement disk onto your >> hosed >> >> disk ( w/ sm torx tool and brave fingers ) >> >> >> >> I've not done this myself yet. >> >> >> >> I HAVE had "stiction" problems where (after a power out or a "rest" so >> a >> >> disk bearing/lubricant gets a chance to harden) the disk just isnt >> spinning >> >> up. Of course, tapping/whacking it at the right/initial moment will >> usually >> >> cure that and you can feel if it's spinning or not....if you can hold >> it in >> >> your hand ...OR somehow get hands-on during powerup. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wlug mailing list >> >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wlug mailing list >> >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Eric Martin >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wlug mailing list >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > > -- > Eric Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 21, 2010

Re: [Wlug] disk/Raid ideas

by Eric Martin

On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Theo Van Dinter <felicity(a)kluge.net>wrote: > Did the second drive completely fail or is it just a bad block? Does > the array work at all? If the disk is marked bad (RAID metadata), > then maybe you can mark it as ok, get the array online, and copy off > as much data as possible (starting with the most important files > first, of course). > Bad blocks and I think it's still marked ok (see other email thread with mdadm data. > You may be able to dd the data per disk, skipping any bad blocks, to > another disk and then possibly be able to access some of the array > that way. > Done > > And of course ... you do have a backup of that data somewhere, right? :) > Yep, just not as current as I want it (within a few days). > > > In general, some rules of thumb are: > - RAID is not a replacement for backups > - RAID 5 becomes more problematic as disk sizes + number of disks > increase, look at something like RAID 6 (raid-dp, raidz2, whatever > your implementation calls it) instead. > - Be aggressive about fixing bad disks in order to shorten the > catastrophe window. > The purpose of raid in this machine was to make it faster and fail gracefully (of course it not mentioning that a drive or two failed isn't living up to that promise). I have rsnapshot running every 4 hours, but the last few days of the server running it wasn't getting everything and I didn't realize it. The goal right now is to understand software RAID better while trying to get my data back in the window of no backups. If I can't get it running tonight, I'm throwing in the towel and restoring from backup. > > > On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Eric Martin > <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > It's raid 5, and I can't recover the group because of a hd error on two > > disks. I wanted to see if I could move that data somewhere else to force > a > > rebuild but it looks like a no. Oh well, to the backup drive. > > > > On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> What kind of raid? If it was raid 5 I don't believe you can rebuild the > >> array unless you have 2 surviving disks, so unless you can somehow > recover > >> one of the other two it would seem you are sol. Been a long time since > I've > >> done anything but 0, 1 and 0+1 so I could be wrong. > >> > >> Sent from my android wireless device. > >> > >> On Dec 18, 2010 12:48 PM, "Doug Mildram" <dmildram(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> You're hosed (i think) unless > >> > >> -- you're rich and you send the disks to a shop for megabucks (they > may > >> start with a trivial purchase of 2-3 identical model disks) > >> > >> -- OR IF your problem was NOT the actual platters/heads, YOU obtain > 1-2 > >> same-model disks, swap the board from a replacement disk onto your hosed > >> disk ( w/ sm torx tool and brave fingers ) > >> > >> I've not done this myself yet. > >> > >> I HAVE had "stiction" problems where (after a power out or a "rest" so > a > >> disk bearing/lubricant gets a chance to harden) the disk just isnt > spinning > >> up. Of course, tapping/whacking it at the right/initial moment will > usually > >> cure that and you can feel if it's spinning or not....if you can hold it > in > >> your hand ...OR somehow get hands-on during powerup. > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wlug mailing list > >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wlug mailing list > >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Eric Martin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Eric Martin

Dec. 21, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Dec Meeting announcement / linux-raid problem

by Eric Martin

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:52 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Eric" == Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> writes: > > Eric> Now, the main reason for my email. My mythbox / home file > Eric> server runs linux soft-raid in RAID5 with 3 500GB disks. One > Eric> disk went bad a while ago and the array never rebuilt itself. > > So you only had two 500Gb disks left in the array? > Correct. I just received my new disk yesterday and dd_rescued the data from the bad disk onto a fresh disk. the array won't start, so here's the info you asked for > > Eric> The other day, the second disk went bad. Am I hosed? > > Possibly, it depends on how bad the second disk is. What I would do > is try to use dd_rescue to copy the 2nd bad disk onto a new disk > (possibly your original bad disk if you feel brave!) and then try to > re-assemble your raid 5 using that. You might or might not have > corruption in the filesystem, so make sure you run an fsck on it. > > Now, in the future, you should run a weekly check of the array for bad > blocks or other problems, so that you get notified if a disk dies > silently. I use the following crontab entry: > BTW, this is what I was missing. there was no warning that my disk was bad! Like I said, I have backups but the last one failed so I want something tighter > > > > Eric> I've been googling for 'rebuild bad linux software raid' but all > Eric> I get is the rebuild command. Also, I don't see any tools that > Eric> will move bad data to another spot on the disk. This is my > Eric> first time using software raid so I'm in a bit over my head. > > The first thing is to ask for help on the linux-raid mailing list, > which is hosted on vger.kernel.org. > > But somethings you can do to help is to give us more information. > Like: > > cat /proc/mdstat > Personalities : [raid0] [raid1] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [raid10] md2 : inactive sda3[0](S) 4000064 blocks md3 : inactive sda4[0] 483315456 blocks unused devices: <none> > > mdadm -E /dev/sd... > > or /dev/hd... depending on whether your SATA or IDE drives. > Basically, use the devices you got from the /proc/mdstat output as > your basis. > > Give us this output, and we should be able to help you more. > livecd / # mdadm -E /dev/sda3 /dev/sda3: Magic : a92b4efc Version : 00.90.00 UUID : 8374ea27:6e191996:e56f6693:e45468a9 Creation Time : Sat Jul 11 17:14:31 2009 Raid Level : raid5 Used Dev Size : 4000064 (3.81 GiB 4.10 GB) Array Size : 8000128 (7.63 GiB 8.19 GB) Raid Devices : 3 Total Devices : 2 Preferred Minor : 0 Update Time : Mon Dec 13 03:59:27 2010 State : clean Active Devices : 2 Working Devices : 2 Failed Devices : 1 Spare Devices : 0 Checksum : fc28b820 - correct Events : 0.496842 Layout : left-symmetric Chunk Size : 64K Number Major Minor RaidDevice State this 0 8 3 0 active sync /dev/sda3 0 0 8 3 0 active sync /dev/sda3 1 1 8 19 1 active sync 2 2 0 0 2 faulty removed livecd / # mdadm -E /dev/sda4 /dev/sda4: Magic : a92b4efc Version : 00.90.00 UUID : c7b07c90:cbd50faf:bc824667:2504996b Creation Time : Sat Jul 11 16:52:52 2009 Raid Level : raid5 Used Dev Size : 483315456 (460.93 GiB 494.92 GB) Array Size : 966630912 (921.85 GiB 989.83 GB) Raid Devices : 3 Total Devices : 2 Preferred Minor : 3 Update Time : Thu Dec 9 11:13:25 2010 State : clean Active Devices : 1 Working Devices : 1 Failed Devices : 2 Spare Devices : 0 Checksum : d43b9ad8 - correct Events : 0.15550817 Layout : left-symmetric Chunk Size : 64K Number Major Minor RaidDevice State this 0 8 4 0 active sync /dev/sda4 0 0 8 4 0 active sync /dev/sda4 1 1 0 0 1 faulty removed 2 2 0 0 2 faulty removed livecd / # mdadm -E /dev/sdb3 mdadm: cannot open /dev/sdb3: No such file or directory livecd / # mdadm -E /dev/sdb4 mdadm: cannot open /dev/sdb4: No such file or directory livecd / # mdadm -E /dev/sdc4 /dev/sdc4: Magic : a92b4efc Version : 00.90.00 UUID : c7b07c90:cbd50faf:bc824667:2504996b Creation Time : Sat Jul 11 16:52:52 2009 Raid Level : raid5 Used Dev Size : 483315456 (460.93 GiB 494.92 GB) Array Size : 966630912 (921.85 GiB 989.83 GB) Raid Devices : 3 Total Devices : 2 Preferred Minor : 3 Update Time : Thu Dec 9 11:13:06 2010 State : active Active Devices : 2 Working Devices : 2 Failed Devices : 1 Spare Devices : 0 Checksum : d34e516a - correct Events : 0.15550815 Layout : left-symmetric Chunk Size : 64K Number Major Minor RaidDevice State this 1 8 20 1 active sync 0 0 8 4 0 active sync /dev/sda4 1 1 8 20 1 active sync 2 2 0 0 2 faulty removed livecd / # mdadm -E /dev/sdc3 /dev/sdc3: Magic : a92b4efc Version : 00.90.00 UUID : 8374ea27:6e191996:e56f6693:e45468a9 Creation Time : Sat Jul 11 17:14:31 2009 Raid Level : raid5 Used Dev Size : 4000064 (3.81 GiB 4.10 GB) Array Size : 8000128 (7.63 GiB 8.19 GB) Raid Devices : 3 Total Devices : 2 Preferred Minor : 0 Update Time : Mon Dec 13 03:59:27 2010 State : clean Active Devices : 2 Working Devices : 2 Failed Devices : 1 Spare Devices : 0 Checksum : fc28b832 - correct Events : 0.496842 Layout : left-symmetric Chunk Size : 64K Number Major Minor RaidDevice State this 1 8 19 1 active sync 0 0 8 3 0 active sync /dev/sda3 1 1 8 19 1 active sync 2 2 0 0 2 faulty removed /dev/sda is a good disk, /dev/sdc is the bad disk and /dev/sdb is the good disk that has the clone of /dev/sdc. Curiously, mdadm -E doesn't work on /dev/sdb even though the partitions are setup correctly thanks! > > John > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Eric Martin

Dec. 21, 2010

Announce: Next WLUG meeting & meetings for 2011

by Chuck Anderson

Hi folks, Our next WLUG meeting is scheduled to be held on Wednesday, January 12 at 7:00 PM at the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. The meeting room is in WPI's Morgan Hall (building 'H' on the campus map [1]), down the hallway to the right of the dining hall entrance. [1] http://www.wpi.edu/Images/CMS/WPI/walkingmap.pdf Also, I have normalized the meeting schedule to be the 2nd Wednesday of each month. We'll try this for awhile and see how it goes. As always, please email me if you are interested in presenting a topic for any of our future meetings. We're a very laid back group, so don't feel you need to have a polished presentation in order to speak. Demos are always fun too. Some topic ideas we've had are: - Linux Android Development - Linux on Wireless Routers: OpenWRT, DD-WRT, etc. - IRC basics: how to chat on #wlug-ma - PGP/GPG keysigning party - Compare ZFS vs. BTRFS vs. ... - Virtualization Technologies KVM, Xen, VMWare - Demo the latest version of your favorite Linux distribution Happy Holidays and I look forward to seeing you next year, Chuck President, Worcester Linux Users' Group

Dec. 20, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Dec Meeting announcement / linux-raid problem

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Eric" == Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> writes: Eric> Now, the main reason for my email. My mythbox / home file Eric> server runs linux soft-raid in RAID5 with 3 500GB disks. One Eric> disk went bad a while ago and the array never rebuilt itself. So you only had two 500Gb disks left in the array? Eric> The other day, the second disk went bad. Am I hosed? Possibly, it depends on how bad the second disk is. What I would do is try to use dd_rescue to copy the 2nd bad disk onto a new disk (possibly your original bad disk if you feel brave!) and then try to re-assemble your raid 5 using that. You might or might not have corruption in the filesystem, so make sure you run an fsck on it. Now, in the future, you should run a weekly check of the array for bad blocks or other problems, so that you get notified if a disk dies silently. I use the following crontab entry: # # cron.d/mdadm -- schedules periodic redundancy checks of MD devices # # Copyright © martin f. krafft <madduck(a)madduck.net> # distributed under the terms of the Artistic Licence 2.0 # # By default, run at 00:57 on every Sunday, but do nothing unless the day of # the month is less than or equal to 7. Thus, only run on the first Sunday of # each month. crontab(5) sucks, unfortunately, in this regard; therefore this # hack (see #380425). 57 0 * * 0 root if [ -x /usr/share/mdadm/checkarray ] && [ $(date +\%d) -le 7 ]; then /usr/share/mdadm/checkarray --cron --all --idle --quiet; fi and I get a nice weekly report on both arrays on my main filerserver at thome. Eric> I've been googling for 'rebuild bad linux software raid' but all Eric> I get is the rebuild command. Also, I don't see any tools that Eric> will move bad data to another spot on the disk. This is my Eric> first time using software raid so I'm in a bit over my head. The first thing is to ask for help on the linux-raid mailing list, which is hosted on vger.kernel.org. But somethings you can do to help is to give us more information. Like: cat /proc/mdstat mdadm -E /dev/sd... or /dev/hd... depending on whether your SATA or IDE drives. Basically, use the devices you got from the /proc/mdstat output as your basis. Give us this output, and we should be able to help you more. John

Dec. 20, 2010

Re: [Wlug] disk/Raid ideas

by Theo Van Dinter

Did the second drive completely fail or is it just a bad block? Does the array work at all? If the disk is marked bad (RAID metadata), then maybe you can mark it as ok, get the array online, and copy off as much data as possible (starting with the most important files first, of course). You may be able to dd the data per disk, skipping any bad blocks, to another disk and then possibly be able to access some of the array that way. And of course ... you do have a backup of that data somewhere, right? :) In general, some rules of thumb are: - RAID is not a replacement for backups - RAID 5 becomes more problematic as disk sizes + number of disks increase, look at something like RAID 6 (raid-dp, raidz2, whatever your implementation calls it) instead. - Be aggressive about fixing bad disks in order to shorten the catastrophe window. On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > It's raid 5, and I can't recover the group because of a hd error on two > disks. I wanted to see if I could move that data somewhere else to force a > rebuild but it looks like a no. Oh well, to the backup drive. > > On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> What kind of raid? If it was raid 5 I don't believe you can rebuild the >> array unless you have 2 surviving disks, so unless you can somehow recover >> one of the other two it would seem you are sol. Been a long time since I've >> done anything but 0, 1 and 0+1 so I could be wrong. >> >> Sent from my android wireless device. >> >> On Dec 18, 2010 12:48 PM, "Doug Mildram" <dmildram(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> You're hosed (i think) unless >> >> -- you're rich and you send the disks to a shop for megabucks (they may >> start with a trivial purchase of 2-3 identical model disks) >> >> -- OR IF your problem was NOT the actual platters/heads, YOU obtain 1-2 >> same-model disks, swap the board from a replacement disk onto your hosed >> disk ( w/ sm torx tool and brave fingers ) >> >> I've not done this myself yet. >> >> I HAVE had "stiction" problems where (after a power out or a "rest" so a >> disk bearing/lubricant gets a chance to harden) the disk just isnt spinning >> up. Of course, tapping/whacking it at the right/initial moment will usually >> cure that and you can feel if it's spinning or not....if you can hold it in >> your hand ...OR somehow get hands-on during powerup. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > > -- > Eric Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Dec. 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Dec Meeting announcement / linux-raid problem

by soup

I don't run software raid so I'm not sure how it handles filesystem errors but I've used ddrescue to recover drives/arrays that were written off. It's fairly easy to use but can take quite a while depending on what the drive failure was. Simple bad sectors in a bad place it will usually chew through pretty quick, though. Take care, James On 12/18/2010 1:01 PM, Eric Martin wrote: > I have backups of some stuff but I have a program that isn't great > about writing stuff properly so I wanted to see if I could get more. > If I can't it's ok, the backups will suffice. I was just hoping for > more :) The replacement is on it's way so this is a moot point pretty > fast. > > On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 11:28 AM, James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com > <mailto:jamespgray@gmail.com>> wrote: > > It appears there has been very little traffic as of late. Did you > compare the messages you've received to the wlug archives? > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/ > > As for your RAID issue you I don't have any advice as I have virtually > no experience with it. I assume if you had backups you won't have > bothered writing the group. > > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Eric Martin > <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com > <mailto:eric.joshua.martin@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > I just realized that I haven't received anything from WLUG in > over a month, including the announcement for this past meeting. > Did anybody else have this problem or is it just me? > > > > Now, the main reason for my email. My mythbox / home file > server runs linux soft-raid in RAID5 with 3 500GB disks. One disk > went bad a while ago and the array never rebuilt itself. The > other day, the second disk went bad. Am I hosed? I've been > googling for 'rebuild bad linux software raid' but all I get is > the rebuild command. Also, I don't see any tools that will move > bad data to another spot on the disk. This is my first time using > software raid so I'm in a bit over my head. > > > > thanks! > > > > -- > > Eric Martin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > -- > Eric Martin > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Dec Meeting announcement / linux-raid problem

by Jason Couture

I hear you man, good luck. At least you had the backups. Sent from my android wireless device. On Dec 18, 2010 1:02 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: I have backups of some stuff but I have a program that isn't great about writing stuff properly so I wanted to see if I could get more. If I can't it's ok, the backups will suffice. I was just hoping for more :) The replacement is on it's way so this is a moot point pretty fast. On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 11:28 AM, James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > It appears there ha... -- Eric Martin _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 18, 2010

Re: [Wlug] disk/Raid ideas

by Eric Martin

It's raid 5, and I can't recover the group because of a hd error on two disks. I wanted to see if I could move that data somewhere else to force a rebuild but it looks like a no. Oh well, to the backup drive. On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote: > What kind of raid? If it was raid 5 I don't believe you can rebuild the > array unless you have 2 surviving disks, so unless you can somehow recover > one of the other two it would seem you are sol. Been a long time since I've > done anything but 0, 1 and 0+1 so I could be wrong. > > Sent from my android wireless device. > > On Dec 18, 2010 12:48 PM, "Doug Mildram" <dmildram(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > You're hosed (i think) unless > > -- you're rich and you send the disks to a shop for megabucks (they may > start with a trivial purchase of 2-3 identical model disks) > > -- OR IF your problem was NOT the actual platters/heads, YOU obtain 1-2 > same-model disks, swap the board from a replacement disk onto your hosed > disk ( w/ sm torx tool and brave fingers ) > > I've not done this myself yet. > > I HAVE had "stiction" problems where (after a power out or a "rest" so a > disk bearing/lubricant gets a chance to harden) the disk just isnt spinning > up. Of course, tapping/whacking it at the right/initial moment will usually > cure that and you can feel if it's spinning or not....if you can hold it in > your hand ...OR somehow get hands-on during powerup. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- Eric Martin

Dec. 18, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Dec Meeting announcement / linux-raid problem

by Eric Martin

I have backups of some stuff but I have a program that isn't great about writing stuff properly so I wanted to see if I could get more. If I can't it's ok, the backups will suffice. I was just hoping for more :) The replacement is on it's way so this is a moot point pretty fast. On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 11:28 AM, James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> wrote: > It appears there has been very little traffic as of late. Did you > compare the messages you've received to the wlug archives? > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/ > > As for your RAID issue you I don't have any advice as I have virtually > no experience with it. I assume if you had backups you won't have > bothered writing the group. > > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Eric Martin > <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I just realized that I haven't received anything from WLUG in over a > month, including the announcement for this past meeting. Did anybody else > have this problem or is it just me? > > > > Now, the main reason for my email. My mythbox / home file server runs > linux soft-raid in RAID5 with 3 500GB disks. One disk went bad a while ago > and the array never rebuilt itself. The other day, the second disk went > bad. Am I hosed? I've been googling for 'rebuild bad linux software raid' > but all I get is the rebuild command. Also, I don't see any tools that will > move bad data to another spot on the disk. This is my first time using > software raid so I'm in a bit over my head. > > > > thanks! > > > > -- > > Eric Martin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Eric Martin

Dec. 18, 2010

Re: [Wlug] disk/Raid ideas

by Jason Couture

What kind of raid? If it was raid 5 I don't believe you can rebuild the array unless you have 2 surviving disks, so unless you can somehow recover one of the other two it would seem you are sol. Been a long time since I've done anything but 0, 1 and 0+1 so I could be wrong. Sent from my android wireless device. On Dec 18, 2010 12:48 PM, "Doug Mildram" <dmildram(a)gmail.com> wrote: You're hosed (i think) unless -- you're rich and you send the disks to a shop for megabucks (they may start with a trivial purchase of 2-3 identical model disks) -- OR IF your problem was NOT the actual platters/heads, YOU obtain 1-2 same-model disks, swap the board from a replacement disk onto your hosed disk ( w/ sm torx tool and brave fingers ) I've not done this myself yet. I HAVE had "stiction" problems where (after a power out or a "rest" so a disk bearing/lubricant gets a chance to harden) the disk just isnt spinning up. Of course, tapping/whacking it at the right/initial moment will usually cure that and you can feel if it's spinning or not....if you can hold it in your hand ...OR somehow get hands-on during powerup. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 18, 2010

disk/Raid ideas

by Doug Mildram

You're hosed (i think) unless -- you're rich and you send the disks to a shop for megabucks (they may start with a trivial purchase of 2-3 identical model disks) -- OR IF your problem was NOT the actual platters/heads, YOU obtain 1-2 same-model disks, swap the board from a replacement disk onto your hosed disk ( w/ sm torx tool and brave fingers ) I've not done this myself yet. I HAVE had "stiction" problems where (after a power out or a "rest" so a disk bearing/lubricant gets a chance to harden) the disk just isnt spinning up. Of course, tapping/whacking it at the right/initial moment will usually cure that and you can feel if it's spinning or not....if you can hold it in your hand ...OR somehow get hands-on during powerup.

Dec. 18, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Dec Meeting announcement / linux-raid problem

by James Gray

It appears there has been very little traffic as of late. Did you compare the messages you've received to the wlug archives? http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/ As for your RAID issue you I don't have any advice as I have virtually no experience with it. I assume if you had backups you won't have bothered writing the group. On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I just realized that I haven't received anything from WLUG in over a month, including the announcement for this past meeting. Did anybody else have this problem or is it just me? > > Now, the main reason for my email. My mythbox / home file server runs linux soft-raid in RAID5 with 3 500GB disks. One disk went bad a while ago and the array never rebuilt itself. The other day, the second disk went bad. Am I hosed? I've been googling for 'rebuild bad linux software raid' but all I get is the rebuild command. Also, I don't see any tools that will move bad data to another spot on the disk. This is my first time using software raid so I'm in a bit over my head. > > thanks! > > -- > Eric Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 18, 2010

Dec Meeting announcement / linux-raid problem

by Eric Martin

I just realized that I haven't received anything from WLUG in over a month, including the announcement for this past meeting. Did anybody else have this problem or is it just me? Now, the main reason for my email. My mythbox / home file server runs linux soft-raid in RAID5 with 3 500GB disks. One disk went bad a while ago and the array never rebuilt itself. The other day, the second disk went bad. Am I hosed? I've been googling for 'rebuild bad linux software raid' but all I get is the rebuild command. Also, I don't see any tools that will move bad data to another spot on the disk. This is my first time using software raid so I'm in a bit over my head. thanks! -- Eric Martin

Dec. 17, 2010

Reminder: WLUG Meeting tonight! (11/10)

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, Tonight we've got a WLUG meeting in the conference room adjacent to the Morgan Hall dining room at ~7PM. Though we're usually there a bit earlier. As of yet, there's no designated speaker so it'll be a round table discussion, unless someone steps forward, the floors open. Following protocol there will be consumption of pizza afterward. Hope to see you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 10, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Best 802.11abgn router?

by Jim Dibb

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:39 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Adam" == Adam Gomes <adam(a)unixgeek.net> writes: > > Adam>> Ugh, wireless can be such a head ache. Dude, John, just run some > Adam>> cables. > > John>Actually, that's what I ended up doing last night, once I figured out > that spending $150 for a new router (which I'd have to wait for to > arrive from the egg...) wasn't going to work as well as just pulling > 70' of cable. > > After fighting with all kinds of wireless latency and connectivity issues (and multiple wireless dongles, routers and even powerline networking) , I ran 100' of pre-terminated, burial grade Cat6 around the outside of my house to the diagonally opposite corner and haven't looked back. Jim

Oct. 14, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Best 802.11abgn router?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Adam" == Adam Gomes <adam(a)unixgeek.net> writes: Adam> I live in the middle of the woods, and I generally discourage Adam> the use of things like bluetooth at my house. So, 2.4Ghz works Adam> ok for me. But if you actually have neighbors, and own / use a Adam> microwave oven, and use bluetooth gadgetry, and any other number Adam> of things that can / do emit into the 2.4Ghz spectrum, I have to Adam> agree with Frank. Put your 11n traffic into the 5Ghz space, and Adam> leave everyone else in the 2.4Ghz space. 2.4Ghz is noisy and Adam> crowded and just not a lot of fun. Adam> I have a long list of funny / disheartening storries about Adam> 2.4Ghz and wifi at a number of my employer's locations .... Adam> Frank, good point too about the channel width. And 802.11ac puts Adam> 80 and 160 Mhz channels on the horizon .. but ... who gives a Adam> hoot, when (if you choose to play nice with others) you still Adam> have to honor those neighbors of your using the 20Mhz channel Adam> width? Adam> Ugh, wireless can be such a head ache. Dude, John, just run some Adam> cables. Actually, that's what I ended up doing last night, once I figured out that spending $150 for a new router (which I'd have to wait for to arrive from the egg...) wasn't going to work as well as just pulling 70' of cable. So now the wife is running at GigE speeds internally, and she seems a little bit happier. I'll know more tonight since I just got it working this morning. John

Oct. 14, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Best 802.11abgn router?

by Adam Gomes

I live in the middle of the woods, and I generally discourage the use of things like bluetooth at my house. So, 2.4Ghz works ok for me. But if you actually have neighbors, and own / use a microwave oven, and use bluetooth gadgetry, and any other number of things that can / do emit into the 2.4Ghz spectrum, I have to agree with Frank. Put your 11n traffic into the 5Ghz space, and leave everyone else in the 2.4Ghz space. 2.4Ghz is noisy and crowded and just not a lot of fun. I have a long list of funny / disheartening storries about 2.4Ghz and wifi at a number of my employer's locations .... Frank, good point too about the channel width. And 802.11ac puts 80 and 160 Mhz channels on the horizon .. but ... who gives a hoot, when (if you choose to play nice with others) you still have to honor those neighbors of your using the 20Mhz channel width? Ugh, wireless can be such a head ache. Dude, John, just run some cables. --Adam On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:34:34AM -0400, Frank Sweetser wrote: > > On 10/13/2010 11:23 AM, John Stoffel wrote: > > > > > My only worry is that all my core network is in the basement, but I > > > have my current WAP upstairs in a central-ish location. And my wife's > > > wireless is upstairs too... But replacing my WRAP board with something > > > with more ports which I can break out more would be good > > > to... decisions, decisions... > > > > > > Can you put different antennas on the netgear? > > > > Not on this particular model, no. Sadly, there aren't very many external > 11n > > antenna options on the market yet. That said, 11n does have a little > better > > penetration than a/b/g, so it may work out for you anyway. I have mine > in my > > basement, and it works quite well in my 2nd floor bedroom. > > > > > Thanks for all the feedback, now I'm leaning Netgear... :] > > Many of the new Netgears actually run a modified OpenWRT from the > factory (the older 7.x version from what I can tell on my WNDR3700). > > A nice 2.4-only 3x3 AP with external antenna connectors is the TP-Link > TL-1043ND. It also runs OpenWRT from the factory. Sadly, this one > isn't reviewed on smallnetbuilder.com. > > Another forum with router/wireless hacking info on it: > > http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/ > > http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/9?g=3 > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 13, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Best 802.11abgn router?

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:34:34AM -0400, Frank Sweetser wrote: > On 10/13/2010 11:23 AM, John Stoffel wrote: > > > My only worry is that all my core network is in the basement, but I > > have my current WAP upstairs in a central-ish location. And my wife's > > wireless is upstairs too... But replacing my WRAP board with something > > with more ports which I can break out more would be good > > to... decisions, decisions... > > > > Can you put different antennas on the netgear? > > Not on this particular model, no. Sadly, there aren't very many external 11n > antenna options on the market yet. That said, 11n does have a little better > penetration than a/b/g, so it may work out for you anyway. I have mine in my > basement, and it works quite well in my 2nd floor bedroom. > > > Thanks for all the feedback, now I'm leaning Netgear... :] Many of the new Netgears actually run a modified OpenWRT from the factory (the older 7.x version from what I can tell on my WNDR3700). A nice 2.4-only 3x3 AP with external antenna connectors is the TP-Link TL-1043ND. It also runs OpenWRT from the factory. Sadly, this one isn't reviewed on smallnetbuilder.com. Another forum with router/wireless hacking info on it: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/ http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/9?g=3

Oct. 13, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Best 802.11abgn router?

by Frank Sweetser

On 10/13/2010 11:23 AM, John Stoffel wrote: > My only worry is that all my core network is in the basement, but I > have my current WAP upstairs in a central-ish location. And my wife's > wireless is upstairs too... But replacing my WRAP board with something > with more ports which I can break out more would be good > to... decisions, decisions... > > Can you put different antennas on the netgear? Not on this particular model, no. Sadly, there aren't very many external 11n antenna options on the market yet. That said, 11n does have a little better penetration than a/b/g, so it may work out for you anyway. I have mine in my basement, and it works quite well in my 2nd floor bedroom. > Thanks for all the feedback, now I'm leaning Netgear... :] -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

Oct. 13, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Best 802.11abgn router?

by Frank Sweetser

On 10/13/2010 11:04 AM, Adam Gomes wrote: > Are there really any affordable consumer grade wireless adapters that have the > capability of four spatial streams? I ask because if there aren't then paying Doubtful, on both the AP and client end. Even the high grade commercial stuff that we're deploying on campus doesn't come higher than 3x3. A quick google search shows that 4x4 chipsets are just now being bragged about by Marvell, which means that they're not going to be widespread in on the shelf products for probably another year or so. > the premium for "600N" maybe be a waste. I know that Intel started selling 600N is nothing more than a marketing label these days. For example, on the 3700, the "600" number was from adding up 300 on 2.4 plus 300 on 5. Not technically wrong, but... well, marketing. 99% of what you're buying out there is going to be 2x2, which maxes out at an on-paper speed of 300Mbit, or about 160Mbit of real work useful throughput. > relatively affordable 3x3:3 cards, but that's still going to cap-out at 450MB > for MAC/PHY layer speeds. To me, what's more important is having simultaneous > access to both bands (2.4Ghz, and 5.1Ghz) so I can avoid interference when > possible. Anything over a single 150MB spatial stream at that point is just > gravy. Especially since most of my network at home is still 10/100, and most > of my larger data transfers are over the Internet ... so well, no ISP around > me offers speed in excess of 100MB sustained. :) You should also be aware that there are other variables that factor into the speed, including inter frame spacing and channel width (20MHz vs 40MHz), and the RF environment. Traditional wireless with a single spatial stream (11a/b/g) requires a good, strong single signal between the endpoints. 11n, on the other hand, supports MIMO. Basically it sends out multiple streams on the same channel (up to four in the specs) and then depends on having the different streams bounce around slightly differently. For example, stream A may be strongest on the direct path, while stream B may be a little stronger bouncing off a nearby fridge. MIMO then performs dark magic to use these different properties to split the streams back out, allowing them to carry different data. If you don't have a good diverse RF environment, it's quite possible that your 4x4 degrades down to an effect 2x2. With 11n, sitting 10 feet away from the AP in a big empty nothing is not going be near best case performance. > Well, there's that, and since a number of devices in my house are still > 802.11b/g only devices (e.g. my Wii), and there are just so many of these wifi > enabled devices, I don't expect to get close to the top end throughput rates > on these newer 'n' capable APs anyway. That is to say, while operating in the > 2.4Ghz space, I'm still going to have to wait for my 54MB devices to send > their frames before I get the chance to transmit my frames at 150 - 600MB. > Just having that second 5Ghz band and singel spatial stream is good enough, I > think. Make sense? Just having legacy clients associated at all will absolutely drag your throughput down. You're best off trying to keep the legacy clients on 2.4, and focus on putting new 11n stuff on 5, to keep it operating in pure 11n mode. At that point, a typical 2x2 device should give you plenty of performance. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

Oct. 13, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Best 802.11abgn router?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Frank" == Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> writes: Frank> On 10/13/2010 10:48 AM, John Stoffel wrote: >>>>>>> "Frank" == Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> writes: >> Frank> On 10/13/2010 10:26 AM, John Stoffel wrote: >>>> >>>> Guys, >>>> >>>> I'm looking to replace my WAP54G (802.11bg) wireless access point. I >>>> really need to get more speed to the wife's computer, and I don't want >>>> to run wires. >>>> >>>> I'm thinking I'd like to get something that DD-WRT can run on, and >>>> possibly something with dual radios and/or dual 2.4ghz and 5.0ghz >>>> band, so I can have a secured network, and an open, slower network for >>>> guests. >>>> >>>> My home network looks like this: >>>> >>>> cable modem <---> router <----> GigE Lan switch <-- clients >>>> | >>>> | >>>> WAP54G >> Frank> Congratulations, you're me a month ago =) >> >> Heh, so where do you end up putting your new wireless router in your >> network? Did you replace the core router, or add on? Yeah I'm a >> professional SysAdmin, but I don't do the network side day to >> day... so I want to stay secure. Probably way too paranoid, but >> that's me. Frank> I threw out everything else and I'm just using the netgear for Frank> everything. I didn't bother to set it up, but openwrt does Frank> support setting up a second guest wireless network if you want Frank> to segment guests off from your own machines. My only worry is that all my core network is in the basement, but I have my current WAP upstairs in a central-ish location. And my wife's wireless is upstairs too... But replacing my WRAP board with something with more ports which I can break out more would be good to... decisions, decisions... Can you put different antennas on the netgear? Thanks for all the feedback, now I'm leaning Netgear... :]

Oct. 13, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Best 802.11abgn router?

by Adam Gomes

Are there really any affordable consumer grade wireless adapters that have the capability of four spatial streams? I ask because if there aren't then paying the premium for "600N" maybe be a waste. I know that Intel started selling relatively affordable 3x3:3 cards, but that's still going to cap-out at 450MB for MAC/PHY layer speeds. To me, what's more important is having simultaneous access to both bands (2.4Ghz, and 5.1Ghz) so I can avoid interference when possible. Anything over a single 150MB spatial stream at that point is just gravy. Especially since most of my network at home is still 10/100, and most of my larger data transfers are over the Internet ... so well, no ISP around me offers speed in excess of 100MB sustained. :) Well, there's that, and since a number of devices in my house are still 802.11b/g only devices (e.g. my Wii), and there are just so many of these wifi enabled devices, I don't expect to get close to the top end throughput rates on these newer 'n' capable APs anyway. That is to say, while operating in the 2.4Ghz space, I'm still going to have to wait for my 54MB devices to send their frames before I get the chance to transmit my frames at 150 - 600MB. Just having that second 5Ghz band and singel spatial stream is good enough, I think. Make sense? On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Frank Sweetser <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > On 10/13/2010 10:48 AM, John Stoffel wrote: > >>>>>> "Frank" == Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > > > > Frank> On 10/13/2010 10:26 AM, John Stoffel wrote: > >>> > >>> Guys, > >>> > >>> I'm looking to replace my WAP54G (802.11bg) wireless access point. I > >>> really need to get more speed to the wife's computer, and I don't want > >>> to run wires. > >>> > >>> I'm thinking I'd like to get something that DD-WRT can run on, and > >>> possibly something with dual radios and/or dual 2.4ghz and 5.0ghz > >>> band, so I can have a secured network, and an open, slower network for > >>> guests. > >>> > >>> My home network looks like this: > >>> > >>> cable modem <---> router <----> GigE Lan switch <-- clients > >>> | > >>> | > >>> WAP54G > > > > Frank> Congratulations, you're me a month ago =) > > > > Heh, so where do you end up putting your new wireless router in your > > network? Did you replace the core router, or add on? Yeah I'm a > > professional SysAdmin, but I don't do the network side day to > > day... so I want to stay secure. Probably way too paranoid, but > > that's me. > > I threw out everything else and I'm just using the netgear for everything. > I > didn't bother to set it up, but openwrt does support setting up a second > guest > wireless network if you want to segment guests off from your own machines. > > > > Frank> The only glitch there is that it's a little more strict about > > Frank> wireless security behaviour, so some non-compliant devices > > Frank> (droid1 phones running android 2.2, in my case) can't associate > > Frank> at WPA2/AES. > > > > Bummers. :] That's why I figure I'll keep around my old WAP54G for > > wep devices and stuff that I don't care about much. > > I was able to get them running by limiting encryption down to WPA/TKIP. Of > course, AES is required for 11n speeds, so I'll be mucking around with this > more when either the phones or the router has a new update available =) > > > Frank> I've heard very good things about the buffalo devices, > > Frank> especially since they ship with dd-wrt from the factory. They > > Frank> don't have the same performance (again, smallnetbuilder has > > Frank> excellent benchmarks for side by side comparisons), but are a > > Frank> lot cheaper. One drawback of that particular model at least is > > Frank> that it's single band, 2.4GHz only. Personally I strongly > > Frank> recommend going with a dual band device, as 2.4 these days > > Frank> tends to be a pea soup of interference, while the 5GHz bands > > Frank> that 11a uses has a lot more open channels available. > > > > Yeah, I think I really want dual band, dual radio, gigabit. Going to > > have to pay for it though. But if the device lasts, I'm not too > > upset. > > Yeah, that's exactly why I opted to pony up for the netgear (about $150) > instead of the cheaper buffalo. > > -- > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution > that > WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL > Mencken > GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 13, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Best 802.11abgn router?

by Frank Sweetser

On 10/13/2010 10:48 AM, John Stoffel wrote: >>>>>> "Frank" == Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > > Frank> On 10/13/2010 10:26 AM, John Stoffel wrote: >>> >>> Guys, >>> >>> I'm looking to replace my WAP54G (802.11bg) wireless access point. I >>> really need to get more speed to the wife's computer, and I don't want >>> to run wires. >>> >>> I'm thinking I'd like to get something that DD-WRT can run on, and >>> possibly something with dual radios and/or dual 2.4ghz and 5.0ghz >>> band, so I can have a secured network, and an open, slower network for >>> guests. >>> >>> My home network looks like this: >>> >>> cable modem <---> router <----> GigE Lan switch <-- clients >>> | >>> | >>> WAP54G > > Frank> Congratulations, you're me a month ago =) > > Heh, so where do you end up putting your new wireless router in your > network? Did you replace the core router, or add on? Yeah I'm a > professional SysAdmin, but I don't do the network side day to > day... so I want to stay secure. Probably way too paranoid, but > that's me. I threw out everything else and I'm just using the netgear for everything. I didn't bother to set it up, but openwrt does support setting up a second guest wireless network if you want to segment guests off from your own machines. > Frank> The only glitch there is that it's a little more strict about > Frank> wireless security behaviour, so some non-compliant devices > Frank> (droid1 phones running android 2.2, in my case) can't associate > Frank> at WPA2/AES. > > Bummers. :] That's why I figure I'll keep around my old WAP54G for > wep devices and stuff that I don't care about much. I was able to get them running by limiting encryption down to WPA/TKIP. Of course, AES is required for 11n speeds, so I'll be mucking around with this more when either the phones or the router has a new update available =) > Frank> I've heard very good things about the buffalo devices, > Frank> especially since they ship with dd-wrt from the factory. They > Frank> don't have the same performance (again, smallnetbuilder has > Frank> excellent benchmarks for side by side comparisons), but are a > Frank> lot cheaper. One drawback of that particular model at least is > Frank> that it's single band, 2.4GHz only. Personally I strongly > Frank> recommend going with a dual band device, as 2.4 these days > Frank> tends to be a pea soup of interference, while the 5GHz bands > Frank> that 11a uses has a lot more open channels available. > > Yeah, I think I really want dual band, dual radio, gigabit. Going to > have to pay for it though. But if the device lasts, I'm not too > upset. Yeah, that's exactly why I opted to pony up for the netgear (about $150) instead of the cheaper buffalo. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

Oct. 13, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Best 802.11abgn router?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Frank" == Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> writes: Frank> On 10/13/2010 10:26 AM, John Stoffel wrote: >> >> Guys, >> >> I'm looking to replace my WAP54G (802.11bg) wireless access point. I >> really need to get more speed to the wife's computer, and I don't want >> to run wires. >> >> I'm thinking I'd like to get something that DD-WRT can run on, and >> possibly something with dual radios and/or dual 2.4ghz and 5.0ghz >> band, so I can have a secured network, and an open, slower network for >> guests. >> >> My home network looks like this: >> >> cable modem <---> router <----> GigE Lan switch <-- clients >> | >> | >> WAP54G Frank> Congratulations, you're me a month ago =) Heh, so where do you end up putting your new wireless router in your network? Did you replace the core router, or add on? Yeah I'm a professional SysAdmin, but I don't do the network side day to day... so I want to stay secure. Probably way too paranoid, but that's me. Frank> I got pointed at http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/ as a resource Frank> for comparing these devices. I ended up going with the Netgear Frank> WNDR3700, and have been very happy - ridiculous performance Frank> gains, including better internet performance. Nice. Frank> I do have to warn you that I tried dd-wrt on it, and it didn't Frank> work so great. It was a little flaky, and when I tried to Frank> upgrade it to a newer build, I semi-bricked it. (Luckily Frank> these boxes, when bricked, come up in a recovery mode where Frank> you can easily feed it a new image via TFTP, so bringing it Frank> back from the dead was trivial.) Instead I threw openwrt on Frank> it, with dnsmasq, dyndns, and openvpn configured, and it's Frank> been rock solid and blazingly fast. Interesting. I've been reading Newegg reviews and it's been interesting hearing that for some stuff openwrt is better than dd-wrt. Frank> The only glitch there is that it's a little more strict about Frank> wireless security behaviour, so some non-compliant devices Frank> (droid1 phones running android 2.2, in my case) can't associate Frank> at WPA2/AES. Bummers. :] That's why I figure I'll keep around my old WAP54G for wep devices and stuff that I don't care about much. Frank> I've heard very good things about the buffalo devices, Frank> especially since they ship with dd-wrt from the factory. They Frank> don't have the same performance (again, smallnetbuilder has Frank> excellent benchmarks for side by side comparisons), but are a Frank> lot cheaper. One drawback of that particular model at least is Frank> that it's single band, 2.4GHz only. Personally I strongly Frank> recommend going with a dual band device, as 2.4 these days Frank> tends to be a pea soup of interference, while the 5GHz bands Frank> that 11a uses has a lot more open channels available. Yeah, I think I really want dual band, dual radio, gigabit. Going to have to pay for it though. But if the device lasts, I'm not too upset. Frank> Chuck and I had talked about putting together some slides on Frank> openwrt, guess this means I should get started now... Go go go!

Oct. 13, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Best 802.11abgn router?

by Frank Sweetser

On 10/13/2010 10:26 AM, John Stoffel wrote: > > Guys, > > I'm looking to replace my WAP54G (802.11bg) wireless access point. I > really need to get more speed to the wife's computer, and I don't want > to run wires. > > I'm thinking I'd like to get something that DD-WRT can run on, and > possibly something with dual radios and/or dual 2.4ghz and 5.0ghz > band, so I can have a secured network, and an open, slower network for > guests. > > My home network looks like this: > > cable modem <---> router <----> GigE Lan switch <-- clients > | > | > WAP54G Congratulations, you're me a month ago =) > Unfortunately, my router is only 100mb/s on each port, which is fine > for WAN access, and most wireless, but not any more. And I don't want > to replace it since it's a WRAP board from PC-engines running m0n0wall > and doing a *great* job for what I need. Silent, no moving parts, > easy to manage. > > Mostly, I want a fast, secure wireless WPA2 home wireless network. > Maybe I'd keep the WAP54G around for public access... or maybe it's > time to bite the bullet and replace my WRAP board with something > better? > > I'm looking at the following: > > Netgear WNDR3700 > Linksys E2000 > Linksys WRT610N > ASUS RT-N16 > BUFFALO WZR-HP-G300NH (native DD-WRT support from factory!) I got pointed at http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/ as a resource for comparing these devices. I ended up going with the Netgear WNDR3700, and have been very happy - ridiculous performance gains, including better internet performance. I do have to warn you that I tried dd-wrt on it, and it didn't work so great. It was a little flaky, and when I tried to upgrade it to a newer build, I semi-bricked it. (Luckily these boxes, when bricked, come up in a recovery mode where you can easily feed it a new image via TFTP, so bringing it back from the dead was trivial.) Instead I threw openwrt on it, with dnsmasq, dyndns, and openvpn configured, and it's been rock solid and blazingly fast. The only glitch there is that it's a little more strict about wireless security behaviour, so some non-compliant devices (droid1 phones running android 2.2, in my case) can't associate at WPA2/AES. I've heard very good things about the buffalo devices, especially since they ship with dd-wrt from the factory. They don't have the same performance (again, smallnetbuilder has excellent benchmarks for side by side comparisons), but are a lot cheaper. One drawback of that particular model at least is that it's single band, 2.4GHz only. Personally I strongly recommend going with a dual band device, as 2.4 these days tends to be a pea soup of interference, while the 5GHz bands that 11a uses has a lot more open channels available. Chuck and I had talked about putting together some slides on openwrt, guess this means I should get started now... -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

Oct. 13, 2010

Best 802.11abgn router?

by John Stoffel

Guys, I'm looking to replace my WAP54G (802.11bg) wireless access point. I really need to get more speed to the wife's computer, and I don't want to run wires. I'm thinking I'd like to get something that DD-WRT can run on, and possibly something with dual radios and/or dual 2.4ghz and 5.0ghz band, so I can have a secured network, and an open, slower network for guests. My home network looks like this: cable modem <---> router <----> GigE Lan switch <-- clients | | WAP54G Unfortunately, my router is only 100mb/s on each port, which is fine for WAN access, and most wireless, but not any more. And I don't want to replace it since it's a WRAP board from PC-engines running m0n0wall and doing a *great* job for what I need. Silent, no moving parts, easy to manage. Mostly, I want a fast, secure wireless WPA2 home wireless network. Maybe I'd keep the WAP54G around for public access... or maybe it's time to bite the bullet and replace my WRAP board with something better? I'm looking at the following: Netgear WNDR3700 Linksys E2000 Linksys WRT610N ASUS RT-N16 BUFFALO WZR-HP-G300NH (native DD-WRT support from factory!) Any hints or suggestions or feedback? Thanks, John

Oct. 13, 2010

Linux InstallFest

by Dignan, Patrick

Hi everyone, I've been a lurker on these lists for a while, but I wanted to let everyone know: WPI's ACM chapter is hosting a Linux Installfest on November 2 at 7:00PM. We expect to have a panel of Linux community members speaking prior to the installs. Last year we had an estimated turnout of 50-75 students. If any of you would like to join us for installation, to hear the community members speak, or just for moral support then please feel free! We will be meeting in Fuller Laboratories Room #320. Best, Patrick Dignan

Oct. 5, 2010

Re: [Wlug] New Memeber

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Joshua D. Demallistre wrote: > So, to make a story short I am a new member to this > group. I've been here, close to the Worcester area > and would like to meet with you guys. I have been > using Linux for the past 10 years without a LUG, so > this time I would like to do things differently, and get > together. Basically I wanted to say that I have been a > lone ranger for the last 10 year. I have been to the > website but there is no mentioned of the next > meeting. Hi Joshua, On the WLUG home page, click on the yellow box at the top that says "WLUG Meetings". This will take you to a page that lists the meeting dates so you can plan. The meeting topic is often not known until the last minute. Feel free to join us anytime! Andy - -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFMoT+bOjiraCaOTOoRAtosAJ9/FRyfyYISwtdkgnGtMI5eNHZuzACg0Uuo z0Ufv8RVplkhnRmWk4eA2eY= =64zD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 28, 2010

New Memeber

by Joshua D. Demallistre

So, to make a story short I am a new member to this group. I've been here, close to the Worcester area and would like to meet with you guys. I have been using Linux for the past 10 years without a LUG, so this time I would like to do things differently, and get together. Basically I wanted to say that I have been a lone ranger for the last 10 year. I have been to the website but there is no mentioned of the next meeting.

Sept. 28, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Webcam program

by Frank Sweetser

On 9/16/2010 9:19 PM, dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com wrote: >> http://ekiga.org/ has a client for Windows& Linux. > > Same problem as I believe pidgin would have. I want to setup a conference > with audio and video from 2 or more other people. Ekiga appears to only > be able to do video to one person. It has an audio conference number but > nothing for video. It may still require multicast connectivity, but the Access Grid was designed to handle many to many online meetings. http://www.accessgrid.org/ (don't be intimidated by the large scale room setups, it actually works fine with a laptop and webcam.) -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

Sept. 17, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Webcam program

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

> http://ekiga.org/ has a client for Windows & Linux. Same problem as I believe pidgin would have. I want to setup a conference with audio and video from 2 or more other people. Ekiga appears to only be able to do video to one person. It has an audio conference number but nothing for video.

Sept. 17, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Webcam program

by Cole Lavallee

http://ekiga.org/ has a client for Windows & Linux. On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:54 AM, <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> wrote: > > pidgin has support for linux integrated, but the windows support hasnt > > been > > merged yet. but it does exist.woadlm > > I know it does video but does that do multiple people or is it just one to > one. I thought it was just one to one. I didn't see anything to indicate > you could do a conference with separate video streams coming from 4 > different people. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Cole Lavallee 401.935.4007 http://www.linkedin.com/in/colelavallee

Sept. 16, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Webcam program

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

> pidgin has support for linux integrated, but the windows support hasnt > been > merged yet. but it does exist.woadlm I know it does video but does that do multiple people or is it just one to one. I thought it was just one to one. I didn't see anything to indicate you could do a conference with separate video streams coming from 4 different people.

Sept. 16, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Webcam program

by Mike Frysinger

On Wednesday, September 15, 2010 23:39:29 dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com wrote: > A friend of mine wants to use Skype for video conferencing since the > windows beta handles that. Does anyone know of an open source program > equivalent for linux and windows? pidgin has support for linux integrated, but the windows support hasnt been merged yet. but it does exist.woadlm -mike

Sept. 16, 2010

Webcam program

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

A friend of mine wants to use Skype for video conferencing since the windows beta handles that. Does anyone know of an open source program equivalent for linux and windows?

Sept. 16, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4

by joel d

Hi all, Just wondering if there is/was a WLUG meeting this evening. Other events kept got me there at 7:15pm but could not find WLUG on the first floor of Morgan Hall (prior HR training room or otherwise). Thanks, Joel

Sept. 10, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Groupware; Citadel

by Theo Van Dinter

Have you looked at Google Apps? It's free for non-profits under 3000 users, and should provide most of what you were looking for. http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/nonprofit/index.html Disclaimer: I am both an employee and satisfied Google Apps customer. :) On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Maurice <mauricep(a)cds-cumberland.org> wrote: > I'm looking at a few groupware packages for a non-profit I help out... > > At this time, I'm leaning toward Citadel; > http://www.citadel.org/doku.php > > Citadel is a turnkey open-source solution for email and collaboration. One > simple installation delivers a multitude of powerful features, including: > > email > calendaring/scheduling > address books > bulletin boards > mailing list server > instant messaging > wiki > multiple domain support > a powerful web interface > > Basically, I need to set them up with something that does e-mail and > calendaring and when changes are needed or new accounts are needed I don't > have to do a site visit and touch each computer - or manage several types of > e-mail clients. > > Anyone using this package, or know of it? > Any feedback, or alternate recommendations would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > -- > -Maurice Pelletier > Child Development Services - Cumberland County > 50 Depot Road > Falmouth, ME 04105 > 207-781-8881 (voice) > 207-781-8855 (fax) > > www.cds-cumberland.org > > > "Linux -- it's not just for breakfast anymore..." > -Moe > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication (including any attachments) may > contain privileged or confidential information intended for a specific > individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended > recipient, you should delete this communication and/or shred the materials > and any attachments and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or > distribution of this communication, or the taking of any action based on it, > is strictly prohibited. Thank you. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Sept. 2, 2010

Groupware; Citadel

by Maurice

I'm looking at a few groupware packages for a non-profit I help out... At this time, I'm leaning toward Citadel; http://www.citadel.org/doku.php > > *Citadel* is a turnkey open-source solution for email and > collaboration. One simple installation delivers a multitude of > powerful features, including: > > * email > * calendaring/scheduling > * address books > * bulletin boards > * mailing list server > * instant messaging > * wiki > * multiple domain support > * a powerful web interface > Basically, I need to set them up with something that does e-mail and calendaring and when changes are needed or new accounts are needed I don't have to do a site visit and touch each computer - or manage several types of e-mail clients. Anyone using this package, or know of it? Any feedback, or alternate recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -- -Maurice Pelletier Child Development Services - Cumberland County 50 Depot Road Falmouth, ME 04105 207-781-8881 (voice) 207-781-8855 (fax) www.cds-cumberland.org "Linux -- it's not just for breakfast anymore..." -Moe CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication (including any attachments) may contain privileged or confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this communication and/or shred the materials and any attachments and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this communication, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. Thank you.

Sept. 2, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 82, Issue 5

by Caobin zhu

Thanks,Rich. I tried to install Draftsight but it did not go through due to an error. caobin > From: wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Wlug Digest, Vol 82, Issue 5 > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:00:04 -0400 > > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4 (Caobin zhu) > 2. Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4 (Richard Klein) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:15:32 -0400 > From: Caobin zhu <globecstar(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4 > To: linux userGroup <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <SNT141-w43A05F7E6B00711AFD2FAEDB970(a)phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi, everybody, > Happy BBQ! but i am sorry i can not make it. > One question: is there anyone using qcad in linux? it is strange that the program can not print! it does not show up my installed printer at all. Any help woud be greatly appreciated. > i am using fedora 12 and the qcad is version 2.0.5. > > thanks. > caobin > > > From: wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > Subject: Wlug Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4 > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:00:03 -0400 > > > > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. food,weather,BBQ (Doug Mildram) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:42:32 -0400 > > From: Doug Mildram <dmildram(a)gmail.com> > > Subject: [Wlug] food,weather,BBQ > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Message-ID: > > <AANLkTind9G4=cjgzv-xexAG6VyGDXmTVavV3b3vHnQzR(a)mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > If you cannot make it to the BBQ *thurs 6pm...7pm....8pm......fading near > > 9pm... > > sorry! (details abound, below. first, from NOAA > > http://www.weather.gov/ wed eve,,,,, > > > > *Tonight: *Mostly cloudy, with a low around 60. Light east wind. (doug: > > cool, and mint!) > > > > *Thursday: *A slight chance of showers after 3pm. Mostly cloudy, with a high > > near 76. East wind between 5 and 7 mph. Chance of precipitation is 20%. ( > > back to normal i guess!) > > > > *Thursday Night: *A slight chance of showers before 11pm. Cloudy, with a low > > around 58..... > > > > doug> Either way we're rather unaffected for the party, inside+outside. > > Party/BBQ is on the deck. Pool is clean/open/mostly_unused! > > Party is ALSO based near the kitchen (which is near deck and grill). > > ( upscale from last year's BBQ in the garage..... ) > > Bring a few extra paper plates, i'm low on paper plates. > > I have all else, except the fare != green/healthy, it's: > > > > MENU so far > > burgers, tomatoes,.....amer. cheese w/bulkie buns > > sausages (12 sweet, 6 hot) w/ big torpedo or split rolls > > tomatoes.....amer. cheese > > salsa and 2 bags tortilla/white-corn chips (THAT might go fast) > > ginger ale, cranberry juice, byob.... -doug > > p.s. > > On the directions, URL'd below one last time, > > the cellphone# is wrong, but top# 508-869-xxxx is correct. > > > For Worcester area: > > > > > > > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_auburn_worc_29… > > > > > > From the Northwest such as Leominster: > > > > > > > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_rte2_lancaster… > > > > > > From anywhere via 495: > > > > > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_495+62.txt > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100811/f6f8dd60/attachmen… > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4 > > *********************************** > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100812/dda8ca10/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:17:57 -0400 > From: Richard Klein <richspk(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4 > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <AANLkTinCb=C2n8BvA9yfnVnvkXWF4tq8-rrv_Rvj_22d(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Caobin zhu <globecstar(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, everybody, > > Happy BBQ! but i am sorry i can not make it. > > One question: is there anyone using qcad in linux? it is strange that?the > > program can not print! it does not show up my?installed printer at all. > > Any?help woud be greatly appreciated. > > i am using fedora 12 and the qcad is version 2.0.5. > > I haven't used qcad, but I've been using Draftsight on Windows for a > couple months. I don't think it's open source [1], but it's the best > _free_ CAD software I've used to date, and a Linux version is supposed > to be out later this year. > http://www.draftsight.com/ > > -- > Rich > [1] I don't know that it's not, either... > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 82, Issue 5 > ***********************************

Aug. 14, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4

by Richard Klein

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Caobin zhu <globecstar(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi, everybody, > Happy BBQ! but i am sorry i can not make it. > One question: is there anyone using qcad in linux? it is strange that the > program can not print! it does not show up my installed printer at all. > Any help woud be greatly appreciated. > i am using fedora 12 and the qcad is version 2.0.5. I haven't used qcad, but I've been using Draftsight on Windows for a couple months. I don't think it's open source [1], but it's the best _free_ CAD software I've used to date, and a Linux version is supposed to be out later this year. http://www.draftsight.com/ -- Rich [1] I don't know that it's not, either...

Aug. 12, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4

by Caobin zhu

Hi, everybody, Happy BBQ! but i am sorry i can not make it. One question: is there anyone using qcad in linux? it is strange that the program can not print! it does not show up my installed printer at all. Any help woud be greatly appreciated. i am using fedora 12 and the qcad is version 2.0.5. thanks. caobin > From: wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Wlug Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4 > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:00:03 -0400 > > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. food,weather,BBQ (Doug Mildram) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:42:32 -0400 > From: Doug Mildram <dmildram(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [Wlug] food,weather,BBQ > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: > <AANLkTind9G4=cjgzv-xexAG6VyGDXmTVavV3b3vHnQzR(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > If you cannot make it to the BBQ *thurs 6pm...7pm....8pm......fading near > 9pm... > sorry! (details abound, below. first, from NOAA > http://www.weather.gov/ wed eve,,,,, > > *Tonight: *Mostly cloudy, with a low around 60. Light east wind. (doug: > cool, and mint!) > > *Thursday: *A slight chance of showers after 3pm. Mostly cloudy, with a high > near 76. East wind between 5 and 7 mph. Chance of precipitation is 20%. ( > back to normal i guess!) > > *Thursday Night: *A slight chance of showers before 11pm. Cloudy, with a low > around 58..... > > doug> Either way we're rather unaffected for the party, inside+outside. > Party/BBQ is on the deck. Pool is clean/open/mostly_unused! > Party is ALSO based near the kitchen (which is near deck and grill). > ( upscale from last year's BBQ in the garage..... ) > Bring a few extra paper plates, i'm low on paper plates. > I have all else, except the fare != green/healthy, it's: > > MENU so far > burgers, tomatoes,.....amer. cheese w/bulkie buns > sausages (12 sweet, 6 hot) w/ big torpedo or split rolls > tomatoes.....amer. cheese > salsa and 2 bags tortilla/white-corn chips (THAT might go fast) > ginger ale, cranberry juice, byob.... -doug > p.s. > On the directions, URL'd below one last time, > the cellphone# is wrong, but top# 508-869-xxxx is correct. > > For Worcester area: > > > > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_auburn_worc_29… > > > > From the Northwest such as Leominster: > > > > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_rte2_lancaster… > > > > From anywhere via 495: > > > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_495+62.txt > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100811/f6f8dd60/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 82, Issue 4 > ***********************************

Aug. 12, 2010

food,weather,BBQ

by Doug Mildram

If you cannot make it to the BBQ *thurs 6pm...7pm....8pm......fading near 9pm... sorry! (details abound, below. first, from NOAA http://www.weather.gov/ wed eve,,,,, *Tonight: *Mostly cloudy, with a low around 60. Light east wind. (doug: cool, and mint!) *Thursday: *A slight chance of showers after 3pm. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 76. East wind between 5 and 7 mph. Chance of precipitation is 20%. ( back to normal i guess!) *Thursday Night: *A slight chance of showers before 11pm. Cloudy, with a low around 58..... doug> Either way we're rather unaffected for the party, inside+outside. Party/BBQ is on the deck. Pool is clean/open/mostly_unused! Party is ALSO based near the kitchen (which is near deck and grill). ( upscale from last year's BBQ in the garage..... ) Bring a few extra paper plates, i'm low on paper plates. I have all else, except the fare != green/healthy, it's: MENU so far burgers, tomatoes,.....amer. cheese w/bulkie buns sausages (12 sweet, 6 hot) w/ big torpedo or split rolls tomatoes.....amer. cheese salsa and 2 bags tortilla/white-corn chips (THAT might go fast) ginger ale, cranberry juice, byob.... -doug p.s. On the directions, URL'd below one last time, the cellphone# is wrong, but top# 508-869-xxxx is correct. > For Worcester area: > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_auburn_worc_29… > > From the Northwest such as Leominster: > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_rte2_lancaster… > > From anywhere via 495: > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_495+62.txt

Aug. 12, 2010

Reminder: BBQ this Thursday August 12 6pm, Boylston, MA

by Chuck Anderson

Consider this your reminder for the BBQ this Thursday! Rain or shine, we're on. I'm told that the mosquitos are non-existant this year! On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:08:30AM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > Hi WLUG members, > > It's that time a year again for the WLUG BBQ! Thanks to Doug Mildram > for hosting again this year. We will be holding the BBQ on the > scheduled date of our next meeting, but starting at 6pm: > > Thursday, August 12 at 6:00 PM > > Doug has provided these directions and contact information: > > For Worcester area: > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_auburn_worc_29… > > From the Northwest such as Leominster: > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_rte2_lancaster… > > From anywhere via 495: > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_495+62.txt > > WLUG will supply burgers, hot dogs, rolls/buns, condiments, paper > products, soda, etc. BYOB, dessert, and other food/snack items as you > like. > > Please email Doug (dmildram(a)gmail.com) with any questions. > > I look forward to seeing everyone there! > Chuck

Aug. 9, 2010

Job posting: Looking for Drupal developers

by Tatsh

We have 1-2 positions open for PHP developers who are familiar with CMS's. - Drupal (what we are mainly seeking) - Module developers - Extremely familiar with the API (if hooks doesn't sound like a familiar term then we are not looking for you; sorry) - Strong knowledge of SQL (we mainly use MySQL DBs) - Strong knowledge of PHP - Theme development - Strong knowledge of CSS, including IE fixes and quirks (forcing IE quirks mode is last resort) - Strong knowledge of HTML/XHTML and semantics; simplest HTML possible (not using a million divs; not using tables for layout) - Familiarity with mobile site development - Able to keep/make fallbacks for those lacking JS or other features (familiarity with a 'enhancement as enhancements come along' kind of development; not a 'worse commmon denominator' development style) - Joomla - Able to work with the back-end and customise it - Themers (same skills as Drupal) - Module development a plus - vBulletin - Templates familiarity - General familiarity with the back-end - Modules/products development is a plus (so familiarity with the terribly documented API is a plus) - Magento is a plus - Module development (we do not need themers at the moment) If you know PHP that's great but we really are looking for the above mentioned skills, not just PHP. Also we are looking for Flash developers for small things that will heavily use DBs for data, not their own internal data. Basically if we can say we need X and you can produce it genericised enough to work with any CMS or anything custom that we have already made but just needs the Flash element to be finished. We have an OpenSolaris server. All the GNU core utils are there as well as their POSIX-standard versions (default). Emacs, Vim, etc installed. We use Subversion for versioning so familiarity with that is a plus. We keep a KB so anything that is funky can be documented nicely. This is contract work; pay is hourly. No payments will be made until the contract is signed. Call me (contact information below). If I'm not there, please be sure to leave a message or you may try my cell 978-870-5908. Thanks all -- Andrew Udvare, Development ASIM Design // Marketing, Branding, Web Main - 253.236.0074 x501 Direct - 314.227.0726 Fax - 206.339.8760 Web - andrew(a)asimdesign.net - www.asimdesign.net

Aug. 6, 2010

Job posting

by Mike Leo

https://jobs-akamai.icims.com/jobs/4149/job Just spreading the word. Check out all the postings, too. We seem to have a lot. There is a referral bonus so I'd appreciate a mention, but do as you will. ~Mike

Aug. 6, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Truly Ancient Laptop

by Jason Couture

Will do, Probably wont be until later this week. -- Jason Couture Worcester Computer Services Business Phone: 508-921-0253 Cellular Phone: 508-471-0131 Web: http://www.worcestercomputerservices.com/ Business Address: couture.jason(a)worcestercomputerservices.com Personal Address: plaguethenet(a)gmail.com -- This message is intended to be viewed only by the listed recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message without the permission of the sender is strictly prohibited. If you are not one of the listed recipients, or you suspect you have received this communication in error, please do not read it; notify sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete the original message and any copies. On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 2:50 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Okay, stop by next time you're in Worcester. > 507-471-4407 (H) or 508-667-0657 (M). > Hudson St. -- second house in from Elm St just off Park Ave & just off Elm Park. > I'm usually around but call first just in case & to let me know when. > > Glad to find this unit a good home. > > Thanks, > Liz > > On 31 July 2010 14:13, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I love collecting old computers, Like people collect coins i suppose. >> If no one else wants it ill take it off your hands. >> >> >> -- >> Jason Couture >> Worcester Computer Services >> Business Phone: 508-921-0253 >> Cellular Phone: 508-471-0131 >> Web: http://www.worcestercomputerservices.com/ >> Business Address: couture.jason(a)worcestercomputerservices.com >> Personal Address: plaguethenet(a)gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> This message is intended to be viewed only by the listed recipient(s). >> It may contain information that is privileged, confidential and >> exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any dissemination, >> distribution or copying of this message without the permission of the >> sender is strictly prohibited. If you are not one of the listed >> recipients, or you suspect you have received this communication in >> error, please do not read it; notify sender immediately by return >> e-mail, and delete the original message and any copies. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:47 AM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> We have here an ancient laptop -- Epson ActionNote 4SLC2-50. Belonged >>> to my ancient father, who thought I might find some use for it. >>> >>> It's about 12" x 10" x 2" and not terribly light for its size. Built >>> like a small tank --appears to be somewhat indestructible. Comes in >>> its own rather decent black leather-like case. >>> >>> Has modem, battery brick, diskette drive, PS2 port, parallel port, two >>> serial ports and a phone jack. It even comes with its own PS2 mouse >>> which has a very stylish decal of Tweety Bird. >>> >>> The user guide is dated 1993. This runs Windows MS-DOS-whatever it >>> was, still has operating system installed. Worked fine last time we >>> turned it on. Memory is upgraable. >>> >>> I hope someone can give this a good home. Maybe you have a computer >>> museum in your basement --this would be the perfect addition. Maybe >>> you need this to run some special utilities at home... >>> I'm sure this is infinitely modifiable. >>> Hate to send this poor thing to the dump. Daddy is still living... >>> would like to be able to tell him (if he ever asks) that the old >>> laptop has been happily repurposed. >>> >>> We're located in a very easy-to-find spot in Worcester, less than a >>> block off Elm Park. >>> >>> Someone must need this unit. We want you to want this. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Liz J >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 1, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 81, Issue 14 (Ancient laptop)

by E Johnson

Caobin zhu, your questions: > can you be more specific about its stauts: > -cpu > -hard disk size > -ram Someone posted link to spec sheet here, check it out: http://files.support.epson.com/pdf/an4s50/an4s50pg.pdf > -battery still working? >> Worked fine last time we turned it on. It's back in the closet for the time being; was not planning to fire it up again. Jason has dibs on this thing if he can get back to me within a reasonable time. Come back, Jason? Otherwise I'll update you all on status of availability. TY all for the interest. Liz J

July 31, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Truly Ancient Laptop

by E Johnson

Yes, that seems to be it. On 31 July 2010 15:18, Alexander Haley <ahaley(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > is this it? > > http://files.support.epson.com/pdf/an4s50/an4s50pg.pdf >

July 31, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 81, Issue 14

by Caobin zhu

can you be more specific about its stauts: -cpu -hard disk size -ram -battery still working? -... thanks. > From: wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Wlug Digest, Vol 81, Issue 14 > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 12:00:03 -0400 > > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Truly Ancient Laptop (E Johnson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 10:47:18 -0400 > From: E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [Wlug] Truly Ancient Laptop > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <AANLkTike_psysQj1XjyS0D3XUKHrFaS0h-sj5oA=Thm7(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > We have here an ancient laptop -- Epson ActionNote 4SLC2-50. Belonged > to my ancient father, who thought I might find some use for it. > > It's about 12" x 10" x 2" and not terribly light for its size. Built > like a small tank --appears to be somewhat indestructible. Comes in > its own rather decent black leather-like case. > > Has modem, battery brick, diskette drive, PS2 port, parallel port, two > serial ports and a phone jack. It even comes with its own PS2 mouse > which has a very stylish decal of Tweety Bird. > > The user guide is dated 1993. This runs Windows MS-DOS-whatever it > was, still has operating system installed. Worked fine last time we > turned it on. Memory is upgraable. > > I hope someone can give this a good home. Maybe you have a computer > museum in your basement --this would be the perfect addition. Maybe > you need this to run some special utilities at home... > I'm sure this is infinitely modifiable. > Hate to send this poor thing to the dump. Daddy is still living... > would like to be able to tell him (if he ever asks) that the old > laptop has been happily repurposed. > > We're located in a very easy-to-find spot in Worcester, less than a > block off Elm Park. > > Someone must need this unit. We want you to want this. > > Thanks, > Liz J > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 81, Issue 14 > ************************************

July 31, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Truly Ancient Laptop

by Alexander Haley

is this it? http://files.support.epson.com/pdf/an4s50/an4s50pg.pdf On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 2:50 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Okay, stop by next time you're in Worcester. > 507-471-4407 (H) or 508-667-0657 (M). > Hudson St. -- second house in from Elm St just off Park Ave & just off Elm Park. > I'm usually around but call first just in case & to let me know when. > > Glad to find this unit a good home. > > Thanks, > Liz > > On 31 July 2010 14:13, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I love collecting old computers, Like people collect coins i suppose. >> If no one else wants it ill take it off your hands. >> >> >> -- >> Jason Couture >> Worcester Computer Services >> Business Phone: 508-921-0253 >> Cellular Phone: 508-471-0131 >> Web: http://www.worcestercomputerservices.com/ >> Business Address: couture.jason(a)worcestercomputerservices.com >> Personal Address: plaguethenet(a)gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> This message is intended to be viewed only by the listed recipient(s). >> It may contain information that is privileged, confidential and >> exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any dissemination, >> distribution or copying of this message without the permission of the >> sender is strictly prohibited. If you are not one of the listed >> recipients, or you suspect you have received this communication in >> error, please do not read it; notify sender immediately by return >> e-mail, and delete the original message and any copies. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:47 AM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> We have here an ancient laptop -- Epson ActionNote 4SLC2-50. Belonged >>> to my ancient father, who thought I might find some use for it. >>> >>> It's about 12" x 10" x 2" and not terribly light for its size. Built >>> like a small tank --appears to be somewhat indestructible. Comes in >>> its own rather decent black leather-like case. >>> >>> Has modem, battery brick, diskette drive, PS2 port, parallel port, two >>> serial ports and a phone jack. It even comes with its own PS2 mouse >>> which has a very stylish decal of Tweety Bird. >>> >>> The user guide is dated 1993. This runs Windows MS-DOS-whatever it >>> was, still has operating system installed. Worked fine last time we >>> turned it on. Memory is upgraable. >>> >>> I hope someone can give this a good home. Maybe you have a computer >>> museum in your basement --this would be the perfect addition. Maybe >>> you need this to run some special utilities at home... >>> I'm sure this is infinitely modifiable. >>> Hate to send this poor thing to the dump. Daddy is still living... >>> would like to be able to tell him (if he ever asks) that the old >>> laptop has been happily repurposed. >>> >>> We're located in a very easy-to-find spot in Worcester, less than a >>> block off Elm Park. >>> >>> Someone must need this unit. We want you to want this. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Liz J >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 31, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Truly Ancient Laptop

by E Johnson

Okay, stop by next time you're in Worcester. 507-471-4407 (H) or 508-667-0657 (M). Hudson St. -- second house in from Elm St just off Park Ave & just off Elm Park. I'm usually around but call first just in case & to let me know when. Glad to find this unit a good home. Thanks, Liz On 31 July 2010 14:13, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I love collecting old computers, Like people collect coins i suppose. > If no one else wants it ill take it off your hands. > > > -- > Jason Couture > Worcester Computer Services > Business Phone: 508-921-0253 > Cellular Phone: 508-471-0131 > Web: http://www.worcestercomputerservices.com/ > Business Address: couture.jason(a)worcestercomputerservices.com > Personal Address: plaguethenet(a)gmail.com > > > -- > This message is intended to be viewed only by the listed recipient(s). > It may contain information that is privileged, confidential and > exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any dissemination, > distribution or copying of this message without the permission of the > sender is strictly prohibited. If you are not one of the listed > recipients, or you suspect you have received this communication in > error, please do not read it; notify sender immediately by return > e-mail, and delete the original message and any copies. > > > > On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:47 AM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> We have here an ancient laptop -- Epson ActionNote 4SLC2-50. Belonged >> to my ancient father, who thought I might find some use for it. >> >> It's about 12" x 10" x 2" and not terribly light for its size. Built >> like a small tank --appears to be somewhat indestructible. Comes in >> its own rather decent black leather-like case. >> >> Has modem, battery brick, diskette drive, PS2 port, parallel port, two >> serial ports and a phone jack. It even comes with its own PS2 mouse >> which has a very stylish decal of Tweety Bird. >> >> The user guide is dated 1993. This runs Windows MS-DOS-whatever it >> was, still has operating system installed. Worked fine last time we >> turned it on. Memory is upgraable. >> >> I hope someone can give this a good home. Maybe you have a computer >> museum in your basement --this would be the perfect addition. Maybe >> you need this to run some special utilities at home... >> I'm sure this is infinitely modifiable. >> Hate to send this poor thing to the dump. Daddy is still living... >> would like to be able to tell him (if he ever asks) that the old >> laptop has been happily repurposed. >> >> We're located in a very easy-to-find spot in Worcester, less than a >> block off Elm Park. >> >> Someone must need this unit. We want you to want this. >> >> Thanks, >> Liz J >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 31, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Truly Ancient Laptop

by Jason Couture

I love collecting old computers, Like people collect coins i suppose. If no one else wants it ill take it off your hands. -- Jason Couture Worcester Computer Services Business Phone: 508-921-0253 Cellular Phone: 508-471-0131 Web: http://www.worcestercomputerservices.com/ Business Address: couture.jason(a)worcestercomputerservices.com Personal Address: plaguethenet(a)gmail.com -- This message is intended to be viewed only by the listed recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message without the permission of the sender is strictly prohibited. If you are not one of the listed recipients, or you suspect you have received this communication in error, please do not read it; notify sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete the original message and any copies. On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:47 AM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > We have here an ancient laptop -- Epson ActionNote 4SLC2-50. Belonged > to my ancient father, who thought I might find some use for it. > > It's about 12" x 10" x 2" and not terribly light for its size. Built > like a small tank --appears to be somewhat indestructible. Comes in > its own rather decent black leather-like case. > > Has modem, battery brick, diskette drive, PS2 port, parallel port, two > serial ports and a phone jack. It even comes with its own PS2 mouse > which has a very stylish decal of Tweety Bird. > > The user guide is dated 1993. This runs Windows MS-DOS-whatever it > was, still has operating system installed. Worked fine last time we > turned it on. Memory is upgraable. > > I hope someone can give this a good home. Maybe you have a computer > museum in your basement --this would be the perfect addition. Maybe > you need this to run some special utilities at home... > I'm sure this is infinitely modifiable. > Hate to send this poor thing to the dump. Daddy is still living... > would like to be able to tell him (if he ever asks) that the old > laptop has been happily repurposed. > > We're located in a very easy-to-find spot in Worcester, less than a > block off Elm Park. > > Someone must need this unit. We want you to want this. > > Thanks, > Liz J > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 31, 2010

Truly Ancient Laptop

by E Johnson

We have here an ancient laptop -- Epson ActionNote 4SLC2-50. Belonged to my ancient father, who thought I might find some use for it. It's about 12" x 10" x 2" and not terribly light for its size. Built like a small tank --appears to be somewhat indestructible. Comes in its own rather decent black leather-like case. Has modem, battery brick, diskette drive, PS2 port, parallel port, two serial ports and a phone jack. It even comes with its own PS2 mouse which has a very stylish decal of Tweety Bird. The user guide is dated 1993. This runs Windows MS-DOS-whatever it was, still has operating system installed. Worked fine last time we turned it on. Memory is upgraable. I hope someone can give this a good home. Maybe you have a computer museum in your basement --this would be the perfect addition. Maybe you need this to run some special utilities at home... I'm sure this is infinitely modifiable. Hate to send this poor thing to the dump. Daddy is still living... would like to be able to tell him (if he ever asks) that the old laptop has been happily repurposed. We're located in a very easy-to-find spot in Worcester, less than a block off Elm Park. Someone must need this unit. We want you to want this. Thanks, Liz J

July 31, 2010

Professional networking for Bioinformatics Linux Support resource

by Kathleen McTeague

Greetings, I'm reaching out to do some professional networking to see if I can send out a unique job posting to the Worcester Linux User Group. We are looking for a seasoned Linux Admin for a unique role to work for the vaccine division of a local pharmaceutical company based here in Cambridge, MA. This position is a long-term contract approved through the end of this year with the likelihood of extending long-term, possibly perm. The role will have 'one foot' in IS, and the other in the Bioinformatics group. The focus of the role is administering a Linux cluster, supporting research scientists with some data modeling, supporting various relational databases etc. The Bioinformatics group will be moving to Cambridge so they will be replacing/upgrading the existing Linux cluster. The ideal candidate will have prior experience supporting several PhD level scientists with computational backgrounds, virology/biology as well as many other disciplines. It is a very visible role in that there is a huge initiative to strengthen the IS support specifically for the Bioinformatics organization. I've attached the job description and look forward to hearing your thoughts and interest level in exploring this opportunity. Thanks in advance for your time and if you know of anyone who might be interested, I'm available to chat live any day with some notice. The hourly pay rate range on a W-2 contract basis (will not consider 1099 candidates) and the rate range is approximately $45-75/hour based on education and experience. PROJECT DESCRIPTION* This SOW covers the costs associated with providing a Bioinformatics technical support resource in the R&D IS team as a resource to participate in and support the following R&D IS activities and projects: · Implementing, testing and and managing applications used by Scientists working in the Sanofi Pasteur R&D Global Bioinformatics and Genomics group. This group uses both commercial and proprietary scientific computing applications running on LINUX, Mac OS X, Solaris, and Windows. · Resource will be responsible for providing application support, including building applications from source, managing the deployment and scheduling of software applications on Unix/Linux clusters, migrating and configuring applications and ensuring inter-operability between applications. · Providing effective communication between the IS infrastructure team (who provide LINUX, UNIX, Windows, and Oracle support), the R&D IS team, and the business users. · Development of standardized data management (loading, updates, maintenance) and support procedures for specific applications, including Biowisdom SRS. · Providing training to users on specialized applications as needed. · Participating in the development and approval of standardized documentation for these processes, following Sanofi Pasteur documentation standards. · Maintaining a high level of client satisfaction while meeting response time guidelines. · Resolving Client Support Incidents and effectively communicate status, solutions and/or workarounds to clients. · Properly documenting actions taken on all work for Client Support Incidents. · Other specific projects to be defined by R&D IS management as needed. TIMEFRAME* The contractor is required from July 1, 2010 through to December 31, 2010, with the possibility of extension to 2011, depending on budget availability, project portfolio needs, and performance. DELIVERABLES In addition to the project-specific deliverables described in the Scope of Work, the following deliverables may be required from the contractor for each project worked on: Project Plan A high-level project plan using Microsoft Project will be developed in the early stage of each project. The plan will list high level timelines and resource requirements. This plan will be further refined once the requirements document is complete. This plan will be reviewed and approved by a Sanofi Pasteur R&D IS representative. If the contractor is not the project lead then they will provide input to this document. Requirements Document A requirements document will be developed in our IS eDoc document management system. This document will be developed through requirements gathering meetings with the business user and through requirements review sessions with the IS technical team. This document will be approved through the IS eDoc workflow process. If the contractor is not the project lead then they will need to provide input to this document. Development If the contractor is a developer on the project he/she will develop or modify the code necessary to meet the requirements document. He/she will also unit test the code that has been developed or modified prior to delivering it to the project lead and business user for user acceptance testing. If the contractor is the project lead he/she will provide direction to the developers throughout this stage. Testing The contractor will oversee the testing of the changes to the system by developing test scripts with the help of the business users. These test scripts will trace back to each individual requirement in the requirements document. These test scripts will be developed in IS eDoc and reviewed and approved through the IS eDoc workflow process. Implementation The contractor will oversee moving of the changes to the system into production. He/she will ensure all necessary documentation is approved and closed out in IS eDoc and the EPM time management system. POSITION REQUIRED (ROLE) A Technical Support Analyst with Bioinformatics experience is required for this role. Technical expertise requirements include: · Experience with Windows and Linux/UNIX operating systems are essential (Mac OS X and Solaris will be an asset), and experience with distributed computing is required. · Proficiency with RDBMS-based (MySQL, Postgresql, Oracle) applications and database concepts. · Proficiency with UNIX text processing tools and shell scripting. · Proficiency with a major programming language (e.g. C/C+); scripting languages (e.g. Perl, Python) · Understanding of web server, networking and network protocols. · Solid understanding of the software development cycle, including testing methodologies and change management control, and experience out-sourcing and managing software development, · Demonstrated previous experience supporting bioinformatics tools and applications. Examples may include molecular modeling applications, sequence analysis packages, genomic data analysis tools and data integration applications. · Able to use Microsoft Office tools. Professional requirements include: · Resourceful problem solver with excellent interpersonal and communication skills, including the ability to express technical ideas clearly · Able to work effectively within a team environment. · Good written and verbal communication skills required to deliver high quality Client Support and reliable follow-up to clients. · Demonstrated ability to promptly handle problems, providing status updates, and documenting the problem and resolution. · Present technical & functional ideas clearly while checking for client understanding. · Experience in developing technical documentation. · Experience with software testing, including development of test plans and detailed test scripts based on requirements and design documentation. SKILLS REQUIRED * The candidates must possess the following skills/education: A Bachelor’s degree in Computer Science, Engineering or equivalent. Best, Kathleen McTeague Senior Staffing Consultant Randstad Life Science Staffing 617-354-7215 kathleen.mcteague(a)us.randstad.com<mailto:kathleen.mcteague@us.randstad.com>

July 28, 2010

Re: [Wlug] IBM ThinkPad T22 for sale; $50

by Jason Couture

Makes me wish i had 50 bucks. On 7/26/10, Tatsh <ddrtist(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hard drive emptied. Has a license for Windows 2000 on the bottom. > > - 15" screen, has a line going through it near the top that sometimes > visible, > sometimes white, sometimes black; probably not repairable without a > replacement > - DVD-ROM drive working but funky with eject; swappable with floppy drive > (included) > - Battery completely drained > - Comes with docking station (which has power button, ethernet, VGA, DVI, > serial, 1xUSB, PS/2 ports for mouse and keyboard, audio out and mic in, and > a > port used by some PCMCIA cards I can't remember what it's called (small)) > - Comes with AC Adapter > - 2x128MB RAM; fully tested OK > - Pentium III @ 700 MHz > - Video card is an Intel variant of the time > > $50 sold. Call me at 978-870-5908 (Andy). > > Thanks > -- > Tatsh > www.tatsh.net > ddrtist(a)gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Sent from my mobile device -- Jason Couture Worcester Computer Services Business Phone: 508-921-0253 Cellular Phone: 508-471-0131 Web: http://www.worcestercomputerservices.com/ Business Address: couture.jason(a)worcestercomputerservices.com Personal Address: plaguethenet(a)gmail.com -- This message is intended to be viewed only by the listed recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message without the permission of the sender is strictly prohibited. If you are not one of the listed recipients, or you suspect you have received this communication in error, please do not read it; notify sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete the original message and any copies.

July 26, 2010

IBM ThinkPad T22 for sale; $50

by Tatsh

Hard drive emptied. Has a license for Windows 2000 on the bottom. - 15" screen, has a line going through it near the top that sometimes visible, sometimes white, sometimes black; probably not repairable without a replacement - DVD-ROM drive working but funky with eject; swappable with floppy drive (included) - Battery completely drained - Comes with docking station (which has power button, ethernet, VGA, DVI, serial, 1xUSB, PS/2 ports for mouse and keyboard, audio out and mic in, and a port used by some PCMCIA cards I can't remember what it's called (small)) - Comes with AC Adapter - 2x128MB RAM; fully tested OK - Pentium III @ 700 MHz - Video card is an Intel variant of the time $50 sold. Call me at 978-870-5908 (Andy). Thanks -- Tatsh www.tatsh.net ddrtist(a)gmail.com

July 26, 2010

Announce: BBQ for our next meeting, Thurs. August 12

by Chuck Anderson

Hi WLUG members, It's that time a year again for the WLUG BBQ! Thanks to Doug Mildram for hosting again this year. We will be holding the BBQ on the scheduled date of our next meeting, but starting at 6pm: Thursday, August 12 at 6:00 PM Doug has provided these directions and contact information: For Worcester area: http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_auburn_worc_29… From the Northwest such as Leominster: http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_rte2_lancaster… From anywhere via 495: http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_495+62.txt WLUG will supply burgers, hot dogs, rolls/buns, condiments, paper products, soda, etc. BYOB, dessert, and other food/snack items as you like. Please email Doug (dmildram(a)gmail.com) with any questions. I look forward to seeing everyone there! Chuck

July 25, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Linux rebotics??

by Adam Gomes

Nope, but if you do find such a group, please share. The only real interesting projects I'm aware of, are mostly the ones I've read about in Linux Journal. But anyway, here's a list of URLs that you may or may not have already scoped out.: http://opencv.willowgarage.com/wiki/ (Open Source Computer Vision) http://playerstage.sourceforge.net/ (Linux Based robotics API / server) and of course wikipedia has a decent list of open source robotics related projects to start with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_robotics <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_robotics>also, Linux Jounral had an articel recently about using player on the coroware corobot (not a cheap platform). On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > Are you all aware of any robot clubs in eastern Massachusetts. > > I am interested in robots in general, but even more interested in Linux > robotics. Are there any break through products you know about? I have not > searched the web. This email is a spur of the moment action. > > Ken > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

July 20, 2010

Linux rebotics??

by Ken Jones

Are you all aware of any robot clubs in eastern Massachusetts. I am interested in robots in general, but even more interested in Linux robotics. Are there any break through products you know about? I have not searched the web. This email is a spur of the moment action. Ken

July 11, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 81, Issue 7

by Caobin zhu

Hi, I am interested in your thinkpad. can you give a little more detail about it? like what's the model number and screen size? is the battery still charging working/ does it come with a DVD-drive and/floppy? is the drive removable? how big is the hard disk size? and what is the cpu and memory size etc... thanks. > From: wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Wlug Digest, Vol 81, Issue 7 > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 12:00:03 -0400 > > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Classic car for sale (1963 Mercury Monterey 2 door), and a > ThinkPad! (Tatsh) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 13:10:22 -0400 > From: Tatsh <ddrtist(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [Wlug] Classic car for sale (1963 Mercury Monterey 2 door), > and a ThinkPad! > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <201007091310.22714.ddrtist(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hope this is appropriate. I prefer to do local sale only with cars so I > thought what the heck. > > Here are the details: > 1963 Mercury Monterey > Custom 2 Door Hardtop Breezeway > Here is a rare near-mint condition 2-door version of the 1963 Monterey. Barn > find! Engine compartment is very clean. This car frame and floor are solid. > The frame, floors and under carriage of this car are very clean. Car has been > primed white. Has installed 15" tires, and includes original 14" tires. > > Any questions? Just call 978-870-5908 (Andy) between 10 AM and 8 PM. > > Plenty of pictures here: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280531424951 > > I'm 100% legit. My refs are on eBay. > > Also, what I might have for sale is an IBM ThinkPad (pre-Lenovo, came with > 2000 License). > -- > Andrew Udvare > 978-870-5908 > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 81, Issue 7 > *********************************** _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:…

July 10, 2010

Classic car for sale (1963 Mercury Monterey 2 door), and a ThinkPad!

by Tatsh

Hope this is appropriate. I prefer to do local sale only with cars so I thought what the heck. Here are the details: 1963 Mercury Monterey Custom 2 Door Hardtop Breezeway Here is a rare near-mint condition 2-door version of the 1963 Monterey. Barn find! Engine compartment is very clean. This car frame and floor are solid. The frame, floors and under carriage of this car are very clean. Car has been primed white. Has installed 15" tires, and includes original 14" tires. Any questions? Just call 978-870-5908 (Andy) between 10 AM and 8 PM. Plenty of pictures here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280531424951 I'm 100% legit. My refs are on eBay. Also, what I might have for sale is an IBM ThinkPad (pre-Lenovo, came with 2000 License). -- Andrew Udvare 978-870-5908

July 9, 2010

Re: [Wlug] PC to Home Stereo Solution

by Lee Keyser-Allen

Sonos! Full disclosure: I work for them :) The truth is that Sonos is far and away the best solution if you want multi-room ... if you just want point-to-point and you're hacker-friendly (which is probably the case, as you're on this list) then squeezebox is cheaper, fine for a single connection, and allows you to hack their box. If you want a full treatise on why and where Sonos is better, I'm more than happy to oblige. If you're really nice to me, I may be able to give you a coveted friends-and-family coupon that can get you a discount :) Cheers, Lee On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Brett Russ <bruss(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > > Thanks guys. Looking at my post it was obvious I wasn't clear. I meant > > wireless streaming. My stereo is not in proximity to my Linux box so > > hardwiring is out. I quickly looked at Squeezebox and I think it might > > be what I want. I'll spend more time reading up on that soon. > > I second Squeezebox, I have two of them (3rd gen & a Duet). BTW, if > you have (or would buy) an iPhone or iTouch, the iPeng app that runs > on that platform beats the Duet RF controller (aka "SBC") for > usability, so you could save yourself the cost of the SBC and just get > the player box. I haven't looked into the Squeezebox Touch product > they have now... > > > If there are other wireless PC-to-home-stereo solutions I'd love to know > > about them. > > Sonos and Roku are a couple others. > > -BR > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Lee Keyser-Allen (lkeyser(a)alum.wpi.edu)

July 8, 2010

Addonics Dual CF IDE adaptor for sale - 15.00

by Adam Keck

Anyone interested in a Dual CF/IDE adaptor [1]? Unfortunately, I won't be able to do the project for which I bought it. I can bring it to the next meeting. Thanks, -Adam [1] http://www.addonics.com/products/flash_memory_reader/ad44midecf.asp

July 7, 2010

Announce: WLUG Meeting Thursday July 8 7PM

by Chuck Anderson

Hi folks, Our next WLUG meeting is scheduled to be held on Thursday, July 8 at 7:00 PM in Morgan Hall at the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. This is an informal open meeting. Anyone who is interested in a certain topic, feel free to come to the meeting and discuss it. There has been a lot of talk about streaming music to stereo systems, so I suggest we talk about that. We'll also discuss the WLUG BBQ which is on for August! We'll go out for pizza afterwards. The meeting room is in WPI's Morgan Hall (building 'H' on the campus map [1]), down the hallway to the right of the dining hall entrance. [1] http://www.wpi.edu/Images/CMS/WPI/walkingmap.pdf I look forward to seeing you there, Chuck President, Worcester Linux Users' Group

July 6, 2010

Re: [Wlug] PC to Home Stereo Solution

by Brett Russ

On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > Thanks guys. Looking at my post it was obvious I wasn't clear. I meant > wireless streaming. My stereo is not in proximity to my Linux box so > hardwiring is out. I quickly looked at Squeezebox and I think it might > be what I want. I'll spend more time reading up on that soon. I second Squeezebox, I have two of them (3rd gen & a Duet). BTW, if you have (or would buy) an iPhone or iTouch, the iPeng app that runs on that platform beats the Duet RF controller (aka "SBC") for usability, so you could save yourself the cost of the SBC and just get the player box. I haven't looked into the Squeezebox Touch product they have now... > If there are other wireless PC-to-home-stereo solutions I'd love to know > about them. Sonos and Roku are a couple others. -BR

July 6, 2010

Re: [Wlug] PC to Home Stereo Solution

by John Stoffel

I've always thought putting a Chumby (http://www.chumby.org) on top of the TV/Stereo might be the answer, esp with Pandora or some other streaming app running on there. John

July 6, 2010

Re: [Wlug] PC to Home Stereo Solution

by Chuck Anderson

On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 12:08:18AM -0400, Adam Keck wrote: > I ended up buying a cheap netbook from woot.com to plug into my > stereo. I put eeebuntu on it which gives me access to all of the > various Linux audio players and well as Flash and Firefox. I can play > Flash audio online or stream from the iTunes collection on the Mac in > the other room. I use a FOSS server to serve the music library with > Apple's iTunes sharing protocol, but its name escapes me at the moment. Sounds like a meeting topic! :-)

July 6, 2010

Re: [Wlug] PC to Home Stereo Solution

by Adam Keck

I ended up buying a cheap netbook from woot.com to plug into my stereo. I put eeebuntu on it which gives me access to all of the various Linux audio players and well as Flash and Firefox. I can play Flash audio online or stream from the iTunes collection on the Mac in the other room. I use a FOSS server to serve the music library with Apple's iTunes sharing protocol, but its name escapes me at the moment. -Adam On Jul 3, 2010, at 19:07, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > Thanks guys. Looking at my post it was obvious I wasn't clear. I meant > wireless streaming. My stereo is not in proximity to my Linux box so > hardwiring is out. I quickly looked at Squeezebox and I think it might > be what I want. I'll spend more time reading up on that soon. > > If there are other wireless PC-to-home-stereo solutions I'd love to > know > about them. > > Thanks again. > > -- Gary > > On 07/03/2010 05:44 PM, Jorden Mauro wrote: >> VLC? now he has two problems... >> >> >> >> On Jul 3, 2010, at 5:28 PM, Clint Moyer<cdmoyer(a)charter.net> wrote: >> >>> As usual, the answer is VLC. >>> >>> http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/29/how-to-stream-almost-anything-using-vlc/ >>> >>> >>> ---- Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>> >>> ============= >>> Is it me or is there no good solution to streaming your OGG and FLAC >>> music files to your home stereo from Linux. >>> >>> Even the Windows solutions seem sparse and are usually proprietary. >>> >>> I have wanted to do this for a long time and every time I start >>> googling for a solution I come up empty. >>> >>> Does anyone have any experience with this? I would appreciate your >>> comments. >>> >>> Thanks, and Happy 4th! >>> >>> -- Gary >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 6, 2010

Re: [Wlug] PC to Home Stereo Solution

by Mike Leo

I have one of these and while the idea is great, the implementation sucks. http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/reviews/article.php/3391201/Linksys-Wireless-B-M… You might be looking for something like that. On a similar (but side) note: I just picked up a Tivo DVR do-dad/thingy which is really quite awesome. Not only can I do typical DVR like stuff to my Comcast TV signal, I can watch On-demand NetFlix, Blockbuster and Amazon movies, connect to YouTube and with pyTivo running on my Ubuntu server, I can watch all my "backed up" movies, view my pictures and even listen to my mp3 collection. It is really pretty cool. Might not be what you are looking for but maybe it's more? Ciao ________________________________ From: Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Sat, July 3, 2010 7:07:53 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] PC to Home Stereo Solution Thanks guys. Looking at my post it was obvious I wasn't clear. I meant wireless streaming. My stereo is not in proximity to my Linux box so hardwiring is out. I quickly looked at Squeezebox and I think it might be what I want. I'll spend more time reading up on that soon. If there are other wireless PC-to-home-stereo solutions I'd love to know about them. Thanks again. -- Gary On 07/03/2010 05:44 PM, Jorden Mauro wrote: > VLC? now he has two problems... > > > > On Jul 3, 2010, at 5:28 PM, Clint Moyer<cdmoyer(a)charter.net> wrote: > >> As usual, the answer is VLC. >> >> http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/29/how-to-stream-almost-anything-using-vlc/ >> >> >> ---- Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >> >> ============= >> Is it me or is there no good solution to streaming your OGG and FLAC >> music files to your home stereo from Linux. >> >> Even the Windows solutions seem sparse and are usually proprietary. >> >> I have wanted to do this for a long time and every time I start >> googling for a solution I come up empty. >> >> Does anyone have any experience with this? I would appreciate your >> comments. >> >> Thanks, and Happy 4th! >> >> -- Gary >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 4, 2010

Re: [Wlug] PC to Home Stereo Solution

by Jorden Mauro

You can get FM transmitters that go into the line out of an audio card. That would be the cheapest way. On Jul 3, 2010, at 7:07 PM, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > Thanks guys. Looking at my post it was obvious I wasn't clear. I meant > wireless streaming. My stereo is not in proximity to my Linux box so > hardwiring is out. I quickly looked at Squeezebox and I think it might > be what I want. I'll spend more time reading up on that soon. > > If there are other wireless PC-to-home-stereo solutions I'd love to > know > about them. > > Thanks again. > > -- Gary > > On 07/03/2010 05:44 PM, Jorden Mauro wrote: >> VLC? now he has two problems... >> >> >> >> On Jul 3, 2010, at 5:28 PM, Clint Moyer<cdmoyer(a)charter.net> wrote: >> >>> As usual, the answer is VLC. >>> >>> http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/29/how-to-stream-almost-anything-using-vlc/ >>> >>> >>> ---- Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>> >>> ============= >>> Is it me or is there no good solution to streaming your OGG and FLAC >>> music files to your home stereo from Linux. >>> >>> Even the Windows solutions seem sparse and are usually proprietary. >>> >>> I have wanted to do this for a long time and every time I start >>> googling for a solution I come up empty. >>> >>> Does anyone have any experience with this? I would appreciate your >>> comments. >>> >>> Thanks, and Happy 4th! >>> >>> -- Gary >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 4, 2010

Re: [Wlug] PC to Home Stereo Solution

by Gary Hanley

Thanks guys. Looking at my post it was obvious I wasn't clear. I meant wireless streaming. My stereo is not in proximity to my Linux box so hardwiring is out. I quickly looked at Squeezebox and I think it might be what I want. I'll spend more time reading up on that soon. If there are other wireless PC-to-home-stereo solutions I'd love to know about them. Thanks again. -- Gary On 07/03/2010 05:44 PM, Jorden Mauro wrote: > VLC? now he has two problems... > > > > On Jul 3, 2010, at 5:28 PM, Clint Moyer<cdmoyer(a)charter.net> wrote: > >> As usual, the answer is VLC. >> >> http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/29/how-to-stream-almost-anything-using-vlc/ >> >> >> ---- Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >> >> ============= >> Is it me or is there no good solution to streaming your OGG and FLAC >> music files to your home stereo from Linux. >> >> Even the Windows solutions seem sparse and are usually proprietary. >> >> I have wanted to do this for a long time and every time I start >> googling for a solution I come up empty. >> >> Does anyone have any experience with this? I would appreciate your >> comments. >> >> Thanks, and Happy 4th! >> >> -- Gary >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

July 3, 2010

Re: [Wlug] PC to Home Stereo Solution

by Jorden Mauro

VLC? now he has two problems... On Jul 3, 2010, at 5:28 PM, Clint Moyer <cdmoyer(a)charter.net> wrote: > As usual, the answer is VLC. > > http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/29/how-to-stream-almost-anything-using-vlc/ > > > ---- Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > > ============= > Is it me or is there no good solution to streaming your OGG and FLAC > music files to your home stereo from Linux. > > Even the Windows solutions seem sparse and are usually proprietary. > > I have wanted to do this for a long time and every time I start > googling for a solution I come up empty. > > Does anyone have any experience with this? I would appreciate your > comments. > > Thanks, and Happy 4th! > > -- Gary > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 3, 2010

Re: [Wlug] PC to Home Stereo Solution

by Clint Moyer

As usual, the answer is VLC. http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/29/how-to-stream-almost-anything-using-vlc/ ---- Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: ============= Is it me or is there no good solution to streaming your OGG and FLAC music files to your home stereo from Linux. Even the Windows solutions seem sparse and are usually proprietary. I have wanted to do this for a long time and every time I start googling for a solution I come up empty. Does anyone have any experience with this? I would appreciate your comments. Thanks, and Happy 4th! -- Gary _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 3, 2010

Re: [Wlug] PC to Home Stereo Solution

by Gregory Avedissian

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but to play music from computer to stereo, you just need the right combination of cables and mini-jack to RCA converter, and go from the headphone/speaker jack on the computer to some input of the stereo. (I'm using Tape In) Use your favorite software mixer to make sure you have the right channels unmuted and turned up. If you want to play stuff on the stereo and record it on the computer, it gets a little more complicated, but it's still pretty easy. Tape Out to Mic, and record with Audacity or Ardour or something else that I don't know. (Maybe Gramofile if you like CLI.) Greg On 07/03/2010 08:18 AM, Gary Hanley wrote: > Is it me or is there no good solution to streaming your OGG and FLAC > music files to your home stereo from Linux. > > Even the Windows solutions seem sparse and are usually proprietary. > > I have wanted to do this for a long time and every time I start > googling for a solution I come up empty. > > Does anyone have any experience with this? I would appreciate your > comments. > > Thanks, and Happy 4th! > > -- Gary > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 3, 2010

Re: [Wlug] PC to Home Stereo Solution

by Jorden M

I might not understand exactly what you mean, but wouldn't MPD do the trick? What can your radio understand? On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > Looks like what I'm looking for - I'll check it out. Thanks Jim. > > -- Gary > > On 07/03/2010 08:35 AM, Jim Dibb wrote: >> Squeezebox >> >>> On Jul 3, 2010 8:23 AM, "Gary Hanley" <gary(a)hanley.net >>> <mailto:gary@hanley.net>> wrote: >>> >>> Is it me or is there no good solution to streaming your OGG and FLAC >>> music files to your home stereo from Linux. >>> >>> Even the Windows solutions seem sparse and are usually proprietary. >>> >>> I have wanted to do this for a long time and every time I start >>> googling for a solution I come up empty. >>> >>> Does anyone have any experience with this? I would appreciate your >>> comments. >>> >>> Thanks, and Happy 4th! >>> >>> -- Gary >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 3, 2010

Re: [Wlug] PC to Home Stereo Solution

by Gary Hanley

Looks like what I'm looking for - I'll check it out. Thanks Jim. -- Gary On 07/03/2010 08:35 AM, Jim Dibb wrote: > Squeezebox > >> On Jul 3, 2010 8:23 AM, "Gary Hanley" <gary(a)hanley.net >> <mailto:gary@hanley.net>> wrote: >> >> Is it me or is there no good solution to streaming your OGG and FLAC >> music files to your home stereo from Linux. >> >> Even the Windows solutions seem sparse and are usually proprietary. >> >> I have wanted to do this for a long time and every time I start >> googling for a solution I come up empty. >> >> Does anyone have any experience with this? I would appreciate your >> comments. >> >> Thanks, and Happy 4th! >> >> -- Gary >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 3, 2010

Re: [Wlug] PC to Home Stereo Solution

by Jim Dibb

Squeezebox On Jul 3, 2010 8:23 AM, "Gary Hanley" <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: Is it me or is there no good solution to streaming your OGG and FLAC music files to your home stereo from Linux. Even the Windows solutions seem sparse and are usually proprietary. I have wanted to do this for a long time and every time I start googling for a solution I come up empty. Does anyone have any experience with this? I would appreciate your comments. Thanks, and Happy 4th! -- Gary _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 3, 2010

PC to Home Stereo Solution

by Gary Hanley

Is it me or is there no good solution to streaming your OGG and FLAC music files to your home stereo from Linux. Even the Windows solutions seem sparse and are usually proprietary. I have wanted to do this for a long time and every time I start googling for a solution I come up empty. Does anyone have any experience with this? I would appreciate your comments. Thanks, and Happy 4th! -- Gary

July 3, 2010

LinuxCon 2010 in Boston, August 10-12

by Chuck Anderson

Nichola Mente from The Linux Foundation asked me to post this event notification and discount code: Hello WLUG Members: LinuxCon 2010 will be held in Boston this Aug 10-12, and we would like to offer each of you a discount on registration fees as local community members. Information, schedule and registration can be found on our website: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon When registering, please use this code to receive a 20% discount: LCB_UG20 Happy Monday! Nichola

June 28, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Grub and E-Waste

by David P. Connell

I've never had problems with grub accessing a usb keyboard, as long as the 'enable usb legacy devices' or similar was active in the bios. As has been mentioned, I don't think you will need the mouse. BestBuy will accept up to 3 e;lectronics items/small appliances per day from consumers, at no charge. Except for tv's and monitors, for which you must pay $10, but receive a $10. BestBuy card in return. Also, no refrigerators or air conditioners or tv's over 37" (?). Anyhow, they have rules, but it is convenient if you can't get an appointment at Balard Street with the city. DaveC

June 26, 2010

BBQ and My Keyboard

by ted

> Chuck Anderson wrote: > > I neglected to bring up this topic at our last meeting. We usually > > have a WLUG summer BBQ around July or August, so I'd like to get the > > planning discussion going now. Are people interested in having a BBQ > > this year, and if so, would someone be willing to host it? WLUG > > should enough in the bank to fund the food (Andy can you confirm?), so > > all we need is a place with a BBQ grill and a time. > > > > Comments? Ideas? I love to BBQ. I don't have a good space for hosting, but can we use one of the many fine parks in Worcester? Thats the way we rolled in Joisey. As for my USB Keyboard, the BIOS had a switch to turn on USB Keyboards and the Mouse (though I never needed the mouse for grub). Thanks for the help! Ted

June 26, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Grub and E-Waste

by Chuck Anderson

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 09:57:55AM -0400, ted wrote: > I went to a USB keyboard after my PS keyboard broke. I am running Ubuntu > 10.04. How do I get GRUB to recognize the keyboard? Turn on Legacy USB Emulation in the BIOS.

June 26, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Grub and E-Waste

by kstratton＠fastmail.us

The first place I would look is whether or not I could access the BIOS configuration. If the BIOS does not respond to the USB keyboard, I would nor expect something as low level as GRUB to access the keyboard. I have not loked at the source of GRUB, but something as small as grub would have to use a standardized interface. In my mind, that leaves ISA hardware standards or standard BIOS calls. On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 09:57 -0400, "ted" <x351912(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Two somewhat related questions. > > I went to a USB keyboard after my PS keyboard broke. I am running Ubuntu > 10.04. How do I get GRUB to recognize the keyboard? > > Second, where do I get rid of the broken keyboard? Does Worcester have > an E-Waste recycling center? > > Thanks. > > Ted > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us

June 26, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Grub and E-Waste

by Dignan, Patrick

Grub *should* recognize it. Worcester recycles ewaste. The recycling center was on Rt146 north last time I checked. It costs money, something in the realm of $10 for a computer and they like you to make an appointment. HTH, -Pat On Jun 26, 2010, at 8:58, ted <x351912(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Two somewhat related questions. > > I went to a USB keyboard after my PS keyboard broke. I am running Ubuntu > 10.04. How do I get GRUB to recognize the keyboard? > > Second, where do I get rid of the broken keyboard? Does Worcester have > an E-Waste recycling center? > > Thanks. > > Ted > > > <signature.asc> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 26, 2010

Grub and E-Waste

by ted

Two somewhat related questions. I went to a USB keyboard after my PS keyboard broke. I am running Ubuntu 10.04. How do I get GRUB to recognize the keyboard? Second, where do I get rid of the broken keyboard? Does Worcester have an E-Waste recycling center? Thanks. Ted

June 26, 2010

Re: [Wlug] RFC: WLUG BBQ July/August timeframe

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chuck Anderson wrote: > I neglected to bring up this topic at our last meeting. We usually > have a WLUG summer BBQ around July or August, so I'd like to get the > planning discussion going now. Are people interested in having a BBQ > this year, and if so, would someone be willing to host it? WLUG > should enough in the bank to fund the food (Andy can you confirm?), so > all we need is a place with a BBQ grill and a time. > > Comments? Ideas? > > -Chuck HI Chuck et al, WLUG has $125 in the bank. I need to transfer this to Chuck at some point. Until that happens, I'd be happy to reimburse any reasonable expenses with Chuck's permission. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFMJSK+OjiraCaOTOoRAvH/AJ0X/b5qsTZ7l+maBRnxYKJBCGR/LACZAYr7 cXwa2Upe9lkLbciIofqgWFc= =X8p7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 25, 2010

RFC: WLUG BBQ July/August timeframe

by Chuck Anderson

I neglected to bring up this topic at our last meeting. We usually have a WLUG summer BBQ around July or August, so I'd like to get the planning discussion going now. Are people interested in having a BBQ this year, and if so, would someone be willing to host it? WLUG should enough in the bank to fund the food (Andy can you confirm?), so all we need is a place with a BBQ grill and a time. Comments? Ideas? -Chuck

June 25, 2010

Converting VSAM files

by Michael Long

Hi: I have a project in which I need to migrate some data stored in VSAM files to a relational database (mssql). I am wondering if anyone has had experience with extracting data from a VSAM file to a flat file. If so what tools would you recommend to make this happen. tia, Mike

June 24, 2010

Re: [Wlug] 232-TTL, locally?

by Randall Mason

This just came up on reddit. It's an awesome idea. http://www.pjrc.com/hub_isp/ Randall Mason On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:27 PM, soup <soupforare(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 5/27/2010 3:21 PM, Mike Leo wrote: >> http://eli.com/ might also have what you are looking for, though I'm >> not really following this thread that closely! >> > > Unfortunately, eli is almost entirely computer stuff now, they used to > be randomly good for surplus. > > Thanks to all replies! I ended up heading to you-do-it. They only had > some MAX clone ICs, but good enough, worked out in the end. > > Take care, > soup > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 8, 2010

Announce: WLUG Meeting Wednesday June 9 7PM

by Chuck Anderson

Hi folks, Our next WLUG meeting is scheduled to be held on Wednesday, June 9 at 7:00 PM in Morgan Hall at the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. This is an informal open meeting. Anyone who is interested in a certain topic, feel free to come to the meeting and discuss it. We'll go out for pizza afterwards. The meeting room is in WPI's Morgan Hall (building 'H' on the campus map [1]), down the hallway to the right of the dining hall entrance. [1] http://www.wpi.edu/Images/CMS/WPI/walkingmap.pdf I look forward to seeing you there, Chuck President, Worcester Linux Users' Group

June 8, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 80, Issue 1 - AWK

by Steven Greenberg

#!/bin/tcsh awk -F\| '$3 == "" {print}' < test.txt 109: ./awk.csh One|two||four|Five|Six One|two||four|Five|Six wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Awk Null Field (Gary Hanley) > 2. Re: Awk Null Field (Jorden M) > 3. Re: Awk Null Field (Gary Hanley) > 4. Re: Awk Null Field (Jorden M) > 5. Re: Awk Null Field (Gary Hanley) > 6. Re: Awk Null Field (Jorden M) > 7. Re: Awk Null Field (Theo Van Dinter) > 8. Re: Awk Null Field (Gary Hanley) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [Wlug] Awk Null Field > From: > Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> > Date: > Tue, 1 Jun 2010 16:00:26 -0400 (EDT) > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to eliminate any > line from the file to the output where a particular field is is null. > The 8th field in this case. > > I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but > this should be simple stuff. > > Basically I'm trying to do: > > cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~ <NULL expression> {print}' > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks. > > -- Gary > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Wlug] Awk Null Field > From: > Jorden M <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> > Date: > Tue, 1 Jun 2010 16:26:23 -0400 > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > Just check NF. > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >> Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to >> eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular >> field is is null. The 8th field in this case. >> >> I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but >> this should be simple stuff. >> >> Basically I'm trying to do: >> >> cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~ <NULL expression> {print}' >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- Gary >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Wlug] Awk Null Field > From: > Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> > Date: > Tue, 01 Jun 2010 17:08:46 -0400 > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > Thanks, but that won't help here. Maybe I should have mentioned the > fields are delimited by "|" and there is more than eight fields per record. > > I think this might be more complicated than I assumed. Thanks anyway. > > -- Gary > > On 06/01/2010 04:26 PM, Jorden M wrote: >> Just check NF. >> >> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>> Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to >>> eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular >>> field is is null. The 8th field in this case. >>> >>> I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but >>> this should be simple stuff. >>> >>> Basically I'm trying to do: >>> >>> cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~<NULL expression> {print}' >>> >>> Any help would be appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> -- Gary >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Wlug] Awk Null Field > From: > Jorden M <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> > Date: > Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:14:36 -0400 > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > What will happen if the field is null? Two pipes? Or will there be > space in between? > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >> Thanks, but that won't help here. Maybe I should have mentioned the >> fields are delimited by "|" and there is more than eight fields per record. >> >> I think this might be more complicated than I assumed. Thanks anyway. >> >> -- Gary >> >> On 06/01/2010 04:26 PM, Jorden M wrote: >>> Just check NF. >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>>> Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to >>>> eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular >>>> field is is null. The 8th field in this case. >>>> >>>> I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but >>>> this should be simple stuff. >>>> >>>> Basically I'm trying to do: >>>> >>>> cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~<NULL expression> {print}' >>>> >>>> Any help would be appreciated. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> -- Gary >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Wlug] Awk Null Field > From: > Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> > Date: > Tue, 01 Jun 2010 17:22:05 -0400 > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > There will be a space. > > -- Gary > > On 06/01/2010 05:14 PM, Jorden M wrote: >> What will happen if the field is null? Two pipes? Or will there be >> space in between? >> >> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>> Thanks, but that won't help here. Maybe I should have mentioned the >>> fields are delimited by "|" and there is more than eight fields per >>> record. >>> >>> I think this might be more complicated than I assumed. Thanks anyway. >>> >>> -- Gary >>> >>> On 06/01/2010 04:26 PM, Jorden M wrote: >>>> Just check NF. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>>>> Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to >>>>> eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular >>>>> field is is null. The 8th field in this case. >>>>> >>>>> I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but >>>>> this should be simple stuff. >>>>> >>>>> Basically I'm trying to do: >>>>> >>>>> cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~<NULL expression> {print}' >>>>> >>>>> Any help would be appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> -- Gary >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Wlug] Awk Null Field > From: > Jorden M <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> > Date: > Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:24:38 -0400 > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > So match "| |"? Or perhaps "|[ ]?|"? > > Or will that not work? > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >> There will be a space. >> >> -- Gary >> >> On 06/01/2010 05:14 PM, Jorden M wrote: >>> What will happen if the field is null? Two pipes? Or will there be >>> space in between? >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>>> Thanks, but that won't help here. Maybe I should have mentioned the >>>> fields are delimited by "|" and there is more than eight fields per record. >>>> >>>> I think this might be more complicated than I assumed. Thanks anyway. >>>> >>>> -- Gary >>>> >>>> On 06/01/2010 04:26 PM, Jorden M wrote: >>>>> Just check NF. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>>>>> Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to >>>>>> eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular >>>>>> field is is null. The 8th field in this case. >>>>>> >>>>>> I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but >>>>>> this should be simple stuff. >>>>>> >>>>>> Basically I'm trying to do: >>>>>> >>>>>> cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~<NULL expression> {print}' >>>>>> >>>>>> Any help would be appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Gary >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Wlug] Awk Null Field > From: > Theo Van Dinter <felicity(a)kluge.net> > Date: > Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:48:32 -0400 > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > Unless I'm missing something, you should just be able to do ... awk > -F\| '$8 {print}' > > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >> Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to >> eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular >> field is is null. The 8th field in this case. >> >> I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but >> this should be simple stuff. >> >> Basically I'm trying to do: >> >> cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~ <NULL expression> {print}' >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- Gary >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Wlug] Awk Null Field > From: > Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> > Date: > Tue, 01 Jun 2010 17:46:17 -0400 > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > No, that doesn't work. Here's how I tried it. > > My play file. Notice records two and four: > One|two|three|four|Five|Six > One|two||four|Five|Six > One|two|three|four|Five|Six > One|two||four|Five|Six > One|two|three|four|Five|Six > One|two|three|four|Five|Six > > Here's the output. Should have returned two records: > cat file.txt | awk -F\| '$3 = "| |" {print}' > One two | | four Five Six > One two | | four Five Six > One two | | four Five Six > One two | | four Five Six > One two | | four Five Six > One two | | four Five Six > > And: > cat file.txt | awk -F\| '$3 = "|[ ]?|" {print}' > One two |[ ]?| four Five Six > One two |[ ]?| four Five Six > One two |[ ]?| four Five Six > One two |[ ]?| four Five Six > One two |[ ]?| four Five Six > One two |[ ]?| four Five Six > > I'm probably have to refresh myself with the regular expression stuff > and build a script. Not a bad thing I guess. Somehow I just assumed > checking for a blank field in awk was a no-brainer. Now I'm going to > have to think. :-\ > > Thanks Jorden. > > -- Gary > > On 06/01/2010 05:24 PM, Jorden M wrote: >> So match "| |"? Or perhaps "|[ ]?|"? >> >> Or will that not work? >> >> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>> There will be a space. >>> >>> -- Gary >>> >>> On 06/01/2010 05:14 PM, Jorden M wrote: >>>> What will happen if the field is null? Two pipes? Or will there be >>>> space in between? >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>>>> Thanks, but that won't help here. Maybe I should have mentioned the >>>>> fields are delimited by "|" and there is more than eight fields per >>>>> record. >>>>> >>>>> I think this might be more complicated than I assumed. Thanks anyway. >>>>> >>>>> -- Gary >>>>> >>>>> On 06/01/2010 04:26 PM, Jorden M wrote: >>>>>> Just check NF. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to >>>>>>> eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular >>>>>>> field is is null. The 8th field in this case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> this should be simple stuff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Basically I'm trying to do: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~<NULL expression> {print}' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any help would be appreciated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Gary >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. 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June 2, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Awk Null Field

by Gary Hanley

That's it! :-) Thank you Theo. I knew it had to be simple - and it was. I was probably thinking too much trying to build out the conditional check. My bad. -- Gary On 06/01/2010 05:48 PM, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > Unless I'm missing something, you should just be able to do ... awk > -F\| '$8 {print}' > > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >> Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to >> eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular >> field is is null. The 8th field in this case. >> >> I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but >> this should be simple stuff. >> >> Basically I'm trying to do: >> >> cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~<NULL expression> {print}' >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- Gary >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

June 1, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Awk Null Field

by Theo Van Dinter

Unless I'm missing something, you should just be able to do ... awk -F\| '$8 {print}' On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to > eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular > field is is null. The 8th field in this case. > > I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but > this should be simple stuff. > > Basically I'm trying to do: > > cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~ <NULL expression> {print}' > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks. > > -- Gary > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 1, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Awk Null Field

by Gary Hanley

No, that doesn't work. Here's how I tried it. My play file. Notice records two and four: One|two|three|four|Five|Six One|two||four|Five|Six One|two|three|four|Five|Six One|two||four|Five|Six One|two|three|four|Five|Six One|two|three|four|Five|Six Here's the output. Should have returned two records: cat file.txt | awk -F\| '$3 = "| |" {print}' One two | | four Five Six One two | | four Five Six One two | | four Five Six One two | | four Five Six One two | | four Five Six One two | | four Five Six And: cat file.txt | awk -F\| '$3 = "|[ ]?|" {print}' One two |[ ]?| four Five Six One two |[ ]?| four Five Six One two |[ ]?| four Five Six One two |[ ]?| four Five Six One two |[ ]?| four Five Six One two |[ ]?| four Five Six I'm probably have to refresh myself with the regular expression stuff and build a script. Not a bad thing I guess. Somehow I just assumed checking for a blank field in awk was a no-brainer. Now I'm going to have to think. :-\ Thanks Jorden. -- Gary On 06/01/2010 05:24 PM, Jorden M wrote: > So match "| |"? Or perhaps "|[ ]?|"? > > Or will that not work? > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >> There will be a space. >> >> -- Gary >> >> On 06/01/2010 05:14 PM, Jorden M wrote: >>> What will happen if the field is null? Two pipes? Or will there be >>> space in between? >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>>> Thanks, but that won't help here. Maybe I should have mentioned the >>>> fields are delimited by "|" and there is more than eight fields per record. >>>> >>>> I think this might be more complicated than I assumed. Thanks anyway. >>>> >>>> -- Gary >>>> >>>> On 06/01/2010 04:26 PM, Jorden M wrote: >>>>> Just check NF. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>>>>> Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to >>>>>> eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular >>>>>> field is is null. The 8th field in this case. >>>>>> >>>>>> I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but >>>>>> this should be simple stuff. >>>>>> >>>>>> Basically I'm trying to do: >>>>>> >>>>>> cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~<NULL expression> {print}' >>>>>> >>>>>> Any help would be appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Gary >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

June 1, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Awk Null Field

by Jorden M

So match "| |"? Or perhaps "|[ ]?|"? Or will that not work? On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > There will be a space. > > -- Gary > > On 06/01/2010 05:14 PM, Jorden M wrote: >> What will happen if the field is null? Two pipes? Or will there be >> space in between? >> >> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>> Thanks, but that won't help here. Maybe I should have mentioned the >>> fields are delimited by "|" and there is more than eight fields per record. >>> >>> I think this might be more complicated than I assumed. Thanks anyway. >>> >>> -- Gary >>> >>> On 06/01/2010 04:26 PM, Jorden M wrote: >>>> Just check NF. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>>>> Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to >>>>> eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular >>>>> field is is null. The 8th field in this case. >>>>> >>>>> I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but >>>>> this should be simple stuff. >>>>> >>>>> Basically I'm trying to do: >>>>> >>>>> cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~<NULL expression> {print}' >>>>> >>>>> Any help would be appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> -- Gary >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 1, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Awk Null Field

by Gary Hanley

There will be a space. -- Gary On 06/01/2010 05:14 PM, Jorden M wrote: > What will happen if the field is null? Two pipes? Or will there be > space in between? > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >> Thanks, but that won't help here. Maybe I should have mentioned the >> fields are delimited by "|" and there is more than eight fields per record. >> >> I think this might be more complicated than I assumed. Thanks anyway. >> >> -- Gary >> >> On 06/01/2010 04:26 PM, Jorden M wrote: >>> Just check NF. >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>>> Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to >>>> eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular >>>> field is is null. The 8th field in this case. >>>> >>>> I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but >>>> this should be simple stuff. >>>> >>>> Basically I'm trying to do: >>>> >>>> cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~<NULL expression> {print}' >>>> >>>> Any help would be appreciated. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> -- Gary >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

June 1, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Awk Null Field

by Jorden M

What will happen if the field is null? Two pipes? Or will there be space in between? On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > Thanks, but that won't help here. Maybe I should have mentioned the > fields are delimited by "|" and there is more than eight fields per record. > > I think this might be more complicated than I assumed. Thanks anyway. > > -- Gary > > On 06/01/2010 04:26 PM, Jorden M wrote: >> Just check NF. >> >> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >>> Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to >>> eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular >>> field is is null. The 8th field in this case. >>> >>> I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but >>> this should be simple stuff. >>> >>> Basically I'm trying to do: >>> >>> cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~<NULL expression> {print}' >>> >>> Any help would be appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> -- Gary >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 1, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Awk Null Field

by Gary Hanley

Thanks, but that won't help here. Maybe I should have mentioned the fields are delimited by "|" and there is more than eight fields per record. I think this might be more complicated than I assumed. Thanks anyway. -- Gary On 06/01/2010 04:26 PM, Jorden M wrote: > Just check NF. > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gary Hanley<gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >> Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to >> eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular >> field is is null. The 8th field in this case. >> >> I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but >> this should be simple stuff. >> >> Basically I'm trying to do: >> >> cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~<NULL expression> {print}' >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- Gary >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

June 1, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Awk Null Field

by Jorden M

Just check NF. On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to > eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular > field is is null. The 8th field in this case. > > I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but > this should be simple stuff. > > Basically I'm trying to do: > > cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~ <NULL expression> {print}' > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks. > > -- Gary > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 1, 2010

Awk Null Field

by Gary Hanley

Wow, what's wrong with me? I'm trying to parse a file to eliminate any line from the file to the output where a particular field is is null. The 8th field in this case. I can't get it right! I haven't done an awk script in a long time but this should be simple stuff. Basically I'm trying to do: cat file | awk -F\| '$8 !~ <NULL expression> {print}' Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. -- Gary

June 1, 2010

Help with Xen Server Setup

by Simon Kigo

I have a HP DL385 G6 server that I want to put into production. I'm looking for someone who would like to have fun implementing this project with me. Thanks in advance. Below is a summary of our goals Setup Bios configurationSetup iLO managerInstall additional 4 Gig Ram in serverInstall two SAS and 1 SATA drives in a RAID configuration of our choice Install Xen server for virtualization Setup virtual serversHarden server security Your input and experience are highly valued. I'm very open to your tips/suggestions. --- On Thu, 5/27/10, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: From: wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 19 To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 9:27 PM Send Wlug mailing list submissions to wlug(a)mail.wlug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org You can reach the person managing the list at wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Please indulge me. (Ken Jones) 2. Re: Please indulge me. (Jorden M) 3. Re: Please indulge me. (John Stoffel) 4. Re: Please indulge me. (Justin St. Marie) 5. Re: 232-TTL, locally? (Adam Gomes) 6. Re: 232-TTL, locally? (Mike Leo) 7. Re: 232-TTL, locally? (soup) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:33:22 -0400 From: "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> Subject: [Wlug] Please indulge me. To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <0996212B4EF345DEADBB060626610B8B@kjonespc> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original When I was teenager a Model T Ford was an old car. My friend bought one for $25. He painted it yellow and orange, cranked it up and rode it around town with his girl friend in the passenger's seat and a case of beer in the rumble seat. Some years later we realized how much fun that was. Same's true for computers. Disclaimer ==> I have not tampered with SUN's choice of color scheme. Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15050) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:13:31 -0400 From: Jorden M <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Please indulge me. To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <AANLkTikuJcn6o3w9rOWF7oexg7K4xG6G5aXjCkHM9bvs(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You have to admit yellow and orange would be cooler than the gray and desaturated purple, though. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > When I was teenager a Model T Ford was an old car. ?My friend bought one for > $25. ?He painted it yellow and orange, cranked it up and rode it around town > with his girl friend in the passenger's seat and a case of beer in the > rumble seat. ? ?Some years later we realized how much fun that was. > > Same's true for computers. > > Disclaimer ==> I have not tampered with SUN's choice of color scheme. > > Ken > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15050) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:22:31 -0400 From: "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Please indulge me. To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <19454.47207.822003.553229(a)stoffel.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jorden> You have to admit yellow and orange would be cooler than the Jorden> gray and desaturated purple, though. And pithy saying like "Four wheels, no brakes!" on the car. I guess on the sun you could have... umm... "256Mb, no Swap!" or something equally silly. But yes, please don't let me stop you! I ran em myslef for years. John ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:26:01 -0400 From: "Justin St. Marie" <stmariejw(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Please indulge me. To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <AANLkTimAwPYVG5nslT0FOo3U7R5cQ2Ko7kmsSM5njY2g(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Came across this.... old sun stuff not too far away (Lawrence) http://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/sys/1753114433.html On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 2:22 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Jorden> You have to admit yellow and orange would be cooler than the > Jorden> gray and desaturated purple, though. > > And pithy saying like "Four wheels, no brakes!" on the car. I guess > on the sun you could have... umm... "256Mb, no Swap!" or something > equally silly. > > But yes, please don't let me stop you! I ran em myslef for years. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Justin St. Marie, RHCT Systems Engineer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100527/4bc60591/attachmen… ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 15:14:20 -0400 From: Adam Gomes <adam(a)unixgeek.net> Subject: Re: [Wlug] 232-TTL, locally? To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <AANLkTimxycUdvw3QgZbgEVXPkEv9KDOz5ivW1D72vSRn(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" How "local"? Is Pawtucket, RI too far for you? Jabour Electronics might have one, but I'm not sure if that's any closer to you than you-do-it. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Tom Misilo <tmisilo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > If you cannot find anything locally, I would recommend picking up this: > > http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9718 > > It is a USB cable with a built in FTDI Chip. Very good support for > Linux and Windows alike. > > They also make cables that can be found at www.mouser.com that do not > have the 6pin .1 header, but bare tinned wires. > > Tom > > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, soup <soupforare(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Anyone know of a hobby/electronics shop where I could get a 232-TTL > > dongle, board or kit? Even just a bare MAX232 IC would be cool. > > I don't want to have to drive up to you-do-it, that's the only place I > > can think of that's left... > > > > Take care, > > soup > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100527/259c54f9/attachmen… ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:21:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] 232-TTL, locally? To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <480259.80441.qm(a)web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://eli.com/ might also have what you are looking for, though I'm not really following this thread that closely! ________________________________ From: Adam Gomes <adam(a)unixgeek.net> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 3:14:20 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] 232-TTL, locally? How "local"? Is Pawtucket, RI too far for you? Jabour Electronics might have one, but I'm not sure if that's any closer to you than you-do-it. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Tom Misilo <tmisilo(a)gmail.com> wrote: If you cannot find anything locally, I would recommend picking up this: > >http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9718 > >>It is a USB cable with a built in FTDI Chip. Very good support for >>Linux and Windows alike. > >>They also make cables that can be found at www.mouser.com that do not >>have the 6pin .1 header, but bare tinned wires. > >>Tom > > >>On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, soup <soupforare(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Anyone know of a hobby/electronics shop where I could get a 232-TTL >>> dongle, board or kit? Even just a bare MAX232 IC would be cool. >>> I don't want to have to drive up to you-do-it, that's the only place I >>> can think of that's left... >>> >>> Take care, >>> soup >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> > >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100527/698d7f70/attachmen… ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:27:43 -0400 From: soup <soupforare(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] 232-TTL, locally? To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <4BFF1C0F.4080709(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 5/27/2010 3:21 PM, Mike Leo wrote: > http://eli.com/ might also have what you are looking for, though I'm > not really following this thread that closely! > Unfortunately, eli is almost entirely computer stuff now, they used to be randomly good for surplus. Thanks to all replies! I ended up heading to you-do-it. They only had some MAX clone ICs, but good enough, worked out in the end. Take care, soup ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug End of Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 19 ************************************

May 28, 2010

Re: [Wlug] 232-TTL, locally?

by soup

On 5/27/2010 3:21 PM, Mike Leo wrote: > http://eli.com/ might also have what you are looking for, though I'm > not really following this thread that closely! > Unfortunately, eli is almost entirely computer stuff now, they used to be randomly good for surplus. Thanks to all replies! I ended up heading to you-do-it. They only had some MAX clone ICs, but good enough, worked out in the end. Take care, soup

May 28, 2010

Re: [Wlug] 232-TTL, locally?

by Mike Leo

http://eli.com/ might also have what you are looking for, though I'm not really following this thread that closely! ________________________________ From: Adam Gomes <adam(a)unixgeek.net> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 3:14:20 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] 232-TTL, locally? How "local"? Is Pawtucket, RI too far for you? Jabour Electronics might have one, but I'm not sure if that's any closer to you than you-do-it. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Tom Misilo <tmisilo(a)gmail.com> wrote: If you cannot find anything locally, I would recommend picking up this: > >http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9718 > >>It is a USB cable with a built in FTDI Chip. Very good support for >>Linux and Windows alike. > >>They also make cables that can be found at www.mouser.com that do not >>have the 6pin .1 header, but bare tinned wires. > >>Tom > > >>On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, soup <soupforare(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Anyone know of a hobby/electronics shop where I could get a 232-TTL >>> dongle, board or kit? Even just a bare MAX232 IC would be cool. >>> I don't want to have to drive up to you-do-it, that's the only place I >>> can think of that's left... >>> >>> Take care, >>> soup >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> > >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 27, 2010

Re: [Wlug] 232-TTL, locally?

by Adam Gomes

How "local"? Is Pawtucket, RI too far for you? Jabour Electronics might have one, but I'm not sure if that's any closer to you than you-do-it. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Tom Misilo <tmisilo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > If you cannot find anything locally, I would recommend picking up this: > > http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9718 > > It is a USB cable with a built in FTDI Chip. Very good support for > Linux and Windows alike. > > They also make cables that can be found at www.mouser.com that do not > have the 6pin .1 header, but bare tinned wires. > > Tom > > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, soup <soupforare(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Anyone know of a hobby/electronics shop where I could get a 232-TTL > > dongle, board or kit? Even just a bare MAX232 IC would be cool. > > I don't want to have to drive up to you-do-it, that's the only place I > > can think of that's left... > > > > Take care, > > soup > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 27, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Please indulge me.

by Justin St. Marie

Came across this.... old sun stuff not too far away (Lawrence) http://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/sys/1753114433.html On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 2:22 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Jorden> You have to admit yellow and orange would be cooler than the > Jorden> gray and desaturated purple, though. > > And pithy saying like "Four wheels, no brakes!" on the car. I guess > on the sun you could have... umm... "256Mb, no Swap!" or something > equally silly. > > But yes, please don't let me stop you! I ran em myslef for years. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Justin St. Marie, RHCT Systems Engineer

May 27, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Please indulge me.

by John Stoffel

Jorden> You have to admit yellow and orange would be cooler than the Jorden> gray and desaturated purple, though. And pithy saying like "Four wheels, no brakes!" on the car. I guess on the sun you could have... umm... "256Mb, no Swap!" or something equally silly. But yes, please don't let me stop you! I ran em myslef for years. John

May 27, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Please indulge me.

by Jorden M

You have to admit yellow and orange would be cooler than the gray and desaturated purple, though. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > When I was teenager a Model T Ford was an old car. My friend bought one for > $25. He painted it yellow and orange, cranked it up and rode it around town > with his girl friend in the passenger's seat and a case of beer in the > rumble seat. Some years later we realized how much fun that was. > > Same's true for computers. > > Disclaimer ==> I have not tampered with SUN's choice of color scheme. > > Ken > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15050) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 27, 2010

Please indulge me.

by Ken Jones

When I was teenager a Model T Ford was an old car. My friend bought one for $25. He painted it yellow and orange, cranked it up and rode it around town with his girl friend in the passenger's seat and a case of beer in the rumble seat. Some years later we realized how much fun that was. Same's true for computers. Disclaimer ==> I have not tampered with SUN's choice of color scheme. Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15050) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

May 27, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Two more questions....

by Eric Martin

On 05/25/10 21:14, Ken Jones wrote: > My goal is to get Fedora 12-Beta up and running on my ULTRA1 Sparc. When I > tried installing it the system did not like my DISC 1. > > 1. I would like to check the checksums on the six CD's that I made from > your fedora 12-Beta source. I read that the only way is to shutdown, do > "STOP a" and type "Linux mediacheck". My system does not recognize the > "Linux mediacheck" command. Is there no way to do this operation from > within a running Aurora system? > > 2. I have checked. I really have two identical Aurora systems on my two > hard drives. The older one on the 17Gig drive from the ULTRA1 that died > does not boot correctly. The newer version on the 3.4 Gig disk is from last > week's successful installation of that same antique five CD .iso set. That > new installation had to be limited because of a problem with a language file > supporting emacs. > > I would like to be running a modern Aurora, but still keep my archive files. > Any suggestions for a plan of action would be greatly appreciated. > > Ken Jones > > Ken > That was my only SPARC box so I'm lost on how to do anything without it, sorry. John mentioned silo which sounds right though. I know you're trying to boot Aurora but check the Gentoo Docs, they have some awesome stuff on Sparcs that can be easy interpolated for any OS.

May 26, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Two more questions....

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "John" == John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> writes: John> These days, as you've discovered, the cost of keeping them John> running has just gotten too high. You'll be better off with an John> x86 machine now days with IDE or SATA drives. But don't let me stop you from doing this! It can certainly be a fun project and being able to use a Serial Console makes management of these boxes much nicer than most x86 servers you find, even today. John

May 26, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Two more questions....

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Ken" == Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> writes: Ken> My goal is to get Fedora 12-Beta up and running on my ULTRA1 Sparc. When I Ken> tried installing it the system did not like my DISC 1. Ken> 1. I would like to check the checksums on the six CD's that I made from Ken> your fedora 12-Beta source. I read that the only way is to shutdown, do Ken> "STOP a" and type "Linux mediacheck". My system does not recognize the Ken> "Linux mediacheck" command. Is there no way to do this operation from Ken> within a running Aurora system? I think you'll first need to boot into SILO, then do the 'linux mediacheck' command. Try googling for 'silo mediacheck' and see what it gets you. Ken> 2. I have checked. I really have two identical Aurora systems Ken> on my two hard drives. The older one on the 17Gig drive from the Ken> ULTRA1 that died does not boot correctly. The newer version on Ken> the 3.4 Gig disk is from last week's successful installation of Ken> that same antique five CD .iso set. That new installation had to Ken> be limited because of a problem with a language file supporting Ken> emacs. Ken> I would like to be running a modern Aurora, but still keep my Ken> archive files. Any suggestions for a plan of action would be Ken> greatly appreciated. Personally, the cost/performance/value of Sparc for me has completely gone out the window. And this is from a guy who had and used some ancient Sparc boxes (god, now I can't even remember the model), ah, I see. It was probably a SparcClassic, one of the little square suckers. Slow, but you could stack em up and run linux on them pretty well. Too limited in terms of memory though... These days, as you've discovered, the cost of keeping them running has just gotten too high. You'll be better off with an x86 machine now days with IDE or SATA drives. Good luck! John

May 26, 2010

Re: [Wlug] One more question.

by Eric Martin

usually its .profile or .csh_profile or something to that effect. Like james said, google is your friend. Also, chances are you're using bash so its .bashrc eric On May 25, 2010 10:04 PM, "James Gray" <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> wrote: On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > Which configuration process... For bash you can add the commands to set these variables for bash in .bashrc if you use a different shell you'll need to edit a different file. Google should be able to help you with this. You can set variables system wide (all users) by editing /etc/profile (or at least that is where ubuntu puts it). Thanks! _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlu...

May 26, 2010

Re: [Wlug] One more question.

by James Gray

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > Which configuration process creates the environmental variables? For bash you can add the commands to set these variables for bash in .bashrc if you use a different shell you'll need to edit a different file. Google should be able to help you with this. You can set variables system wide (all users) by editing /etc/profile (or at least that is where ubuntu puts it). Thanks!

May 26, 2010

One more question.

by Ken Jones

Which configuration process creates the environmental variables? I want to permanently add to my PATH. Presently I do it every time I logon. Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15050) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

May 26, 2010

Two more questions....

by Ken Jones

My goal is to get Fedora 12-Beta up and running on my ULTRA1 Sparc. When I tried installing it the system did not like my DISC 1. 1. I would like to check the checksums on the six CD's that I made from your fedora 12-Beta source. I read that the only way is to shutdown, do "STOP a" and type "Linux mediacheck". My system does not recognize the "Linux mediacheck" command. Is there no way to do this operation from within a running Aurora system? 2. I have checked. I really have two identical Aurora systems on my two hard drives. The older one on the 17Gig drive from the ULTRA1 that died does not boot correctly. The newer version on the 3.4 Gig disk is from last week's successful installation of that same antique five CD .iso set. That new installation had to be limited because of a problem with a language file supporting emacs. I would like to be running a modern Aurora, but still keep my archive files. Any suggestions for a plan of action would be greatly appreciated. Ken Jones Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15050) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

May 26, 2010

Eric, this is the one.

by Ken Jones

Yes, Eric, this is the ULTRA 1 Creator you gave me. It had been my backup machine. Now it is center stage. Seems to be doing fine. My problems have been with installing a modern version of Aurora. Previously it had been running Gentoo without X. Thanks. Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15050) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

May 25, 2010

Re: [Wlug] I was all mixed up.

by Eric Martin

Hey Ken, is that the Ultra I gave you? I think those are SCA adapters (hotswap style) On 05/24/10 12:19, Ken Jones wrote: > My ULTRA1 hard drives do not have a separate four pin power connector. > That's the CD drive. > > Here's what one of my hard drives says: > > Seagate Barracuda > Model ST32171WC > > It has a connector with about 76 pins. They are too small for me to count > accurately. > > ---------------------------------------- > > I have decided to stick with my present installation of a 2004 Aurora > package on my 3.2 Gig disk. I can mount my old Linux disk so I can get at > the files I wish to preserve. I can even back them up. I think I can RPM > some newer versions from the WEB. I have a brand new Fedora 12 Beta > packages disk that refused to load. Checksum?? Gotta get Md5sum going... > > Thank you for all your support and tell me when you get a PDP10 or 11 > working. Inputting from punched paper telegraph tape will bring back > memories. > > Ken > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15050) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 24, 2010

Re: [Wlug] I was all mixed up.

by Richard Klein

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > My ULTRA1 hard drives do not have a separate four pin power connector. > That's the CD drive. > > Here's what one of my hard drives says: > > Seagate Barracuda > Model ST32171WC > > It has a connector with about 76 pins. They are too small for me to count > accurately. I think 80 pins is the closest SCSI standard, if I recall correctly. I think I have a drive that would work, if I can just remember to look for it when I get home... -- Rich

May 24, 2010

I was all mixed up.

by Ken Jones

My ULTRA1 hard drives do not have a separate four pin power connector. That's the CD drive. Here's what one of my hard drives says: Seagate Barracuda Model ST32171WC It has a connector with about 76 pins. They are too small for me to count accurately. ---------------------------------------- I have decided to stick with my present installation of a 2004 Aurora package on my 3.2 Gig disk. I can mount my old Linux disk so I can get at the files I wish to preserve. I can even back them up. I think I can RPM some newer versions from the WEB. I have a brand new Fedora 12 Beta packages disk that refused to load. Checksum?? Gotta get Md5sum going... Thank you for all your support and tell me when you get a PDP10 or 11 working. Inputting from punched paper telegraph tape will bring back memories. Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15050) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

May 24, 2010

Re: [Wlug] mine has a separate power cord

by John Stoffel

Ken> Thanks, Chuck, for noting the two variations. Yeah, thanks. I know that a bunch of suns use the SCA connector. I think the Ultra 2 uses it for the two hot swap bays on the side. Ken> My ULTRA 1 has an oval connector with 68 (I did not count them) Ken> pins and a separate four wire power cord. Actually, now that I'm more aware (though heading to sleep soon!) my 36Gb disk has the 4 pin Molex for power, and the 68 pin SCSI3 connector. It's an LVD/SE, so it *might* work on your Sun Ultra 1. Oh yeah, the connector isn't oval like I quickly thought, it's more like this: -------------------------------- \ / \ / ---------------------------- So you should double check. I'd be happy to pass on the drive, not knowing whether it works or not though. I'm in Boylston. Though not around until later Sunday afternoon. Ken> ======= Ken> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. Ken> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15050) Ken> http://www.pctools.com/ Ken> ======= Ken> _______________________________________________ Ken> Wlug mailing list Ken> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Ken> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

May 23, 2010

mine has a separate power cord

by Ken Jones

Thanks, Chuck, for noting the two variations. My ULTRA 1 has an oval connector with 68 (I did not count them) pins and a separate four wire power cord. Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15050) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

May 22, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Need a bigger SCSI disk

by Chuck Anderson

On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 10:14:11AM -0400, Ken Jones wrote: > Yes this is one of those oval connectors. It is designated as sdb > which (I always thought) means the second SCSI drive disk. I'd be > glad to take a drive to where ever you are for a 35Gig drive. Does it have a separate power connector? There are actually two kinds of "oval" connectors, 68-pin and 80-pin. The 68-pin ones are SCSI only, no power. Those drives use a separate 4-pin molex power connector. The 80-pin ones are known as SCA, Single Connector Attachment, and the extra pins provide power among other things (SCSI ID configuration pins). They are designed for hot-swap disk array shelves. -- - Chuck (291 Days until IPv4 depletion: http://ipv4depletion.com/)

May 22, 2010

Need a bigger SCSI disk

by Ken Jones

John, Yes this is one of those oval connectors. It is designated as sdb which (I always thought) means the second SCSI drive disk. I'd be glad to take a drive to where ever you are for a 35Gig drive. Ken

May 22, 2010

Re: [Wlug] 232-TTL, locally?

by Tom Misilo

If you cannot find anything locally, I would recommend picking up this: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9718 It is a USB cable with a built in FTDI Chip. Very good support for Linux and Windows alike. They also make cables that can be found at www.mouser.com that do not have the 6pin .1 header, but bare tinned wires. Tom On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, soup <soupforare(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Anyone know of a hobby/electronics shop where I could get a 232-TTL > dongle, board or kit? Even just a bare MAX232 IC would be cool. > I don't want to have to drive up to you-do-it, that's the only place I > can think of that's left... > > Take care, > soup > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 22, 2010

232-TTL, locally?

by soup

Anyone know of a hobby/electronics shop where I could get a 232-TTL dongle, board or kit? Even just a bare MAX232 IC would be cool. I don't want to have to drive up to you-do-it, that's the only place I can think of that's left... Take care, soup

May 22, 2010

Systems Administrator position available at TripAdvisor in Newton

by Ryan Pugatch

TripAdvisor is looking for a mid- to senior-level Systems Administrator who will join a team of two systems administrators to support, maintain, and enhance a rapidly growing IT infrastructure that spans across the globe and serves roughly 350 employees worldwide. We are not your typical Windows / Active Directory / Exchange shop. Our servers are primarily Linux (CentOS) with a handful running Windows. We tend to prefer open solutions that we can take off the shelf and adapt to our needs, but we are not wedded to a particular OS or vendor. We aim for the solution that makes the most sense. We utilize Zimbra for mail, Asterisk for telephony, OpenLDAP instead of Active Directory, and Samba for our domain controllers and file sharing—all on Linux servers. To be successful in this role you will: - Have strong troubleshooting skills and a diagnostic intuition - Be a self-starter. If you don’t know how to do something you consider it a challenge to try to figure it out for yourself - Have a genuine desire to learn and expand your skill set You will have demonstrated experience with: - Linux systems administration (especially Red Hat variants) - Windows systems administration - Samba - OpenLDAP - Mail server administration - Server virtualization - Scripting (especially perl and bash) - Networking (especially Cisco PIX, ASA and IOS) Duties and Responsibilities include: - Racking and installing servers - Troubleshooting network and server hardware and software problems - Maintaining network infrastructure including switches and firewalls - Maintaining patch management and endpoint security - Assisting with SAN management - Handling escalated helpdesk support tickets - Participating in a 24x7 on-call emergency pager SAN administration experience is highly desired. Experience with Zimbra or Compellent storage equipment is a plus. Please email me directly if you have any questions. You can apply via https://careers.peopleclick.com/careerscp/client_expedia/external_tripadvis… Thanks, Ryan

May 21, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9

by Jorden M

On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:37 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Jorden> Plan 9 > * > > Jorden> Too bad it can hardly browse the web. > > Heh, I've got a pristine boxed copy of Plan9 sitting on my shelves, > just the day I decide to fire up a VM and have it running and > useable. Now that would be neat to do. > 9vx provides a pre-packaged lightweight Plan 9 VM that possibly integrates better with the host system than an older, unpatched shrink-wrapped copy in a VM. Just FYI. Personally, I'd keep it in the box just for nostalgia. Maybe you could make a tag that reads: The OS That Should Have Won But Didn't. Oh well. Back to GNU and Firefox...

May 21, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Need a bigger ULTRA1 disk

by John Stoffel

Adam> Actually some models of the Ultra sparcs used IDE disks. For Adam> example, my Ultra 10 uses IDE disks, and any IDE disk would Adam> work. I believe that the Ultra 60 was also IDE based. Yup, Ultra 5/10 (same motherboard, difference cases) used IDE. I *think* the U60 is SCSI based, like the U80 (same motherboard as 420R, different cases). You might be thinking of the U30/40 being IDE based. John

May 21, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Need a bigger ULTRA1 disk

by John Stoffel

Ken> I have down loaded the six CD Fedora-12-sparc-beta-disc.iso set. Ken> It appears to be about 3.4 Gig. That is about the size of the Ken> hard drive on which I had hoped to install it. Ken> Anybody know where I could get a bigger ULTRA sparc64 compatible Ken> hard drive? I might have some, since I assume it's just an SCA SCSI drive? Is it the oval connector, like most SUN drives from that era were? I've got a 36G Ultra SCSI drive sitting on my desk right now. Not sure if it's working or not though... John Ken> ======= Ken> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. Ken> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15020) Ken> http://www.pctools.com/ Ken> ======= Ken> _______________________________________________ Ken> Wlug mailing list Ken> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Ken> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

May 21, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Klein <richspk(a)gmail.com> writes: Richard> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:38 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >>>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Klein <richspk(a)gmail.com> writes: >> Richard> I think DEC had a big facility along route 70 in Lancaster Richard> (near route 2) that was sold to Mass. Youth Soccer. That's Richard> right near Leominster. >> >> Umm... Rt 70 runs from Worcester out to Clinton and beyond. The >> facility you're thinking about is in Boylston, and it now the town >> hall, etc. >> >> Now I know this 'cause I live in Boylston. :] Richard> Heh. I live in Clinton. Route 70 does, in fact, run through Richard> Lancaster, where it's also called Lunenburg Rd. It's right Richard> by Norm Wagner Toyota: Richard> http://maps.google.com/maps?cid=0,0,5185522724830873118 (I Richard> elided the bits of the URL that I though were irrelevant. It Richard> still works for me, but may not for you.) Heh, you're right! I'm just too focused on my own little stretch of 70 I guess. I don't get up there at all very often. Richard> I guess Lancaster would be part of "beyond". :) Sorta like how when I grew up in NY, anything above the Tappan Zee bridge was "upstate" to me. :]

May 21, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9

by John Stoffel

Jorden> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: >> Doug C. Says, >> >>> Yes, VMS rocked. Best OS ever, IMO. >> >> Naa. AOS/VS wiped the floor with VMS. ;-) Jorden> Plan 9 > * Jorden> Too bad it can hardly browse the web. Heh, I've got a pristine boxed copy of Plan9 sitting on my shelves, just the day I decide to fire up a VM and have it running and useable. Now that would be neat to do. John

May 21, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Need a bigger ULTRA1 disk

by Adam Gomes

Actually some models of the Ultra sparcs used IDE disks. For example, my Ultra 10 uses IDE disks, and any IDE disk would work. I believe that the Ultra 60 was also IDE based. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:14 AM, jbaillie(a)netzero.com <jbaillie(a)netzero.com > wrote: > If you are talking 68 pin I may be able to help you out with a disk. It > probably has a generic firmware on it. I don't know if that makes a > difference to your situ. > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> > To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Subject: [Wlug] Need a bigger ULTRA1 disk > Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 22:56:34 -0400 > > Hello again, > > I have down loaded the six CD Fedora-12-sparc-beta-disc.iso set. It > appears to be about 3.4 Gig. That is about the size of the hard drive on > which I had hoped to install it. > > Anybody know where I could get a bigger ULTRA sparc64 compatible hard > drive? > > Ken > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15020) > http://www.pctools.com<http://www.pctools.com/?cclick=EmailFooterClean_51> > ======= > > ____________________________________________________________ > *Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED!* > $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! > <http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3232/4bf69580c22af5bdf5st02duc> > Mortgage.LendGo.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3232/4bf69580c22af5bdf5st02duc> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

May 21, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Need a bigger ULTRA1 disk

by jbaillie＠netzero.com

If you are talking 68 pin I may be able to help you out with a disk. It probably has a generic firmware on it. I don't know if that makes a difference to your situ. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: [Wlug] Need a bigger ULTRA1 disk Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 22:56:34 -0400 Hello again, I have down loaded the six CD Fedora-12-sparc-beta-disc.iso set. It appears to be about 3.4 Gig. That is about the size of the hard drive on which I had hoped to install it. Anybody know where I could get a bigger ULTRA sparc64 compatible hard drive? Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15020) http://www.pctools.com ======= ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 4.0% FIXED! $160,000 Mortgage for $633/mo. Free. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4bf69580c22af5bdf5st02duc

May 21, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Need a bigger ULTRA1 disk

by Justin St. Marie

I believe the UltraSPARCs were SCSI disks. You can probably find some of those on ebay real cheap. I could be wrong, though....and judging from the mails over the last few days I bet other people here will be able to correct that. Might as well take this time to introduce myself... My name is Justin St. Marie. I live in Worcester and have been using linux for years, but only for about a year professionally. I do what I can, but I am far from an expert in any *nix environment. I am a RHCT, hopefully able to pass the RHCE in a few months...we'll see... When is the next meeting? The website only said where it was, that I saw. On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > Hello again, > > I have down loaded the six CD Fedora-12-sparc-beta-disc.iso set. It > appears to be about 3.4 Gig. That is about the size of the hard drive on > which I had hoped to install it. > > Anybody know where I could get a bigger ULTRA sparc64 compatible hard > drive? > > Ken > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15020) > http://www.pctools.com<http://www.pctools.com/?cclick=EmailFooterClean_51> > ======= > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- Justin St. Marie, RHCT Systems Engineer

May 21, 2010

Need a bigger ULTRA1 disk

by Ken Jones

Hello again, I have down loaded the six CD Fedora-12-sparc-beta-disc.iso set. It appears to be about 3.4 Gig. That is about the size of the hard drive on which I had hoped to install it. Anybody know where I could get a bigger ULTRA sparc64 compatible hard drive? Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15020) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

May 21, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9

by Richard Klein

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:38 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Klein <richspk(a)gmail.com> writes: > > Richard> I think DEC had a big facility along route 70 in Lancaster > Richard> (near route 2) that was sold to Mass. Youth Soccer. That's > Richard> right near Leominster. > > Umm... Rt 70 runs from Worcester out to Clinton and beyond. The > facility you're thinking about is in Boylston, and it now the town > hall, etc. > > Now I know this 'cause I live in Boylston. :] Heh. I live in Clinton. Route 70 does, in fact, run through Lancaster, where it's also called Lunenburg Rd. It's right by Norm Wagner Toyota: http://maps.google.com/maps?cid=0,0,5185522724830873118 (I elided the bits of the URL that I though were irrelevant. It still works for me, but may not for you.) I guess Lancaster would be part of "beyond". :) -- Rich

May 20, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Progress - hardware issues...

by Mike Frysinger

On Thursday 13 May 2010 17:00:28 Ken Jones wrote: > I fail to see the difference between the minimal and the universal versions > once they are installed. that's because there is no difference just like the documentation explains: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-sparc.xml?part=1&chap=2 -mike

May 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9

by Jorden M

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > Doug C. Says, > >> Yes, VMS rocked. Best OS ever, IMO. > > Naa. AOS/VS wiped the floor with VMS. ;-) Plan 9 > * Too bad it can hardly browse the web. > > But really, those OSes were great at the time but I can't image ever > wanting to return to them. Linux and any UNIX is just so much more > efficient, functional and fun. > > -- Gary > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9

by Gary Hanley

Doug C. Says, > Yes, VMS rocked. Best OS ever, IMO. Naa. AOS/VS wiped the floor with VMS. ;-) But really, those OSes were great at the time but I can't image ever wanting to return to them. Linux and any UNIX is just so much more efficient, functional and fun. -- Gary

May 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Klein <richspk(a)gmail.com> writes: Richard> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:28 PM, David Hardy <belovedbold357(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> I don't have any old DEC equipment anymore, but I started my so-called IT >> career on a PDP-11 out in gorgeous Gardner, MA back in 1986. It ran RSX for >> an engineering CAD/CAM shop and we also had a VAX 780 running VMS 3.5. Last >> version of VMS I've worked with was 7.1, right here in Wormtown. I love >> Linux but I have to say I also was in love with VMS. >> Rumor had it, back in '89, that there was a field somewhere off Route 12 in >> Leominster, where DEC had dumped loads and loads of equipment, including >> computers, printers, cables, you-name-it. One of my operators when I was a >> sys admin at DEC Marlborough at that time had his front yard filled with >> that stuff, and the weather allegedly had no effect on any of it. >> I would imagine by now that the field, if it ever existed, is now a condo >> development or a semi-abandoned strip mall. >> Cheers from South Woostuh! Richard> I think DEC had a big facility along route 70 in Lancaster Richard> (near route 2) that was sold to Mass. Youth Soccer. That's Richard> right near Leominster. Umm... Rt 70 runs from Worcester out to Clinton and beyond. The facility you're thinking about is in Boylston, and it now the town hall, etc. Now I know this 'cause I live in Boylston. :]

May 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9

by Doug Chamberlin

On 5/19/2010 2:02 PM, Adam Gomes wrote: > I too retain a fondness for VMS. Which is why, even though I had > Debian running on my VaxStation 3100, I still went back to OpenVMS > (despite the need to buy an annual software license). Yes, VMS rocked. Best OS ever, IMO. Based on energy inefficiency alone I just cannot justify firing up one of these machines to run it. I sure wish HP would stop with the Itanium-only strategy and come out with a version running on AMD-64 chips! I'd get a hobbiest license if they did that. -- Doug C. ----- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

May 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9

by Adam Gomes

I too retain a fondness for VMS. Which is why, even though I had Debian running on my VaxStation 3100, I still went back to OpenVMS (despite the need to buy an annual software license). On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:28 PM, David Hardy <belovedbold357(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I don't have any old DEC equipment anymore, but I started my so-called IT > career on a PDP-11 out in gorgeous Gardner, MA back in 1986. It ran RSX for > an engineering CAD/CAM shop and we also had a VAX 780 running VMS 3.5. Last > version of VMS I've worked with was 7.1, right here in Wormtown. I love > Linux but I have to say I also was in love with VMS. > > Rumor had it, back in '89, that there was a field somewhere off Route 12 in > Leominster, where DEC had dumped loads and loads of equipment, including > computers, printers, cables, you-name-it. One of my operators when I was a > sys admin at DEC Marlborough at that time had his front yard filled with > that stuff, and the weather allegedly had no effect on any of it. > > I would imagine by now that the field, if it ever existed, is now a condo > development or a semi-abandoned strip mall. > > Cheers from South Woostuh! > > > > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Send Wlug mailing list submissions to >> wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Ken Jones) >> 2. Re: Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Jorden Mauro) >> 3. Re: Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Doug Chamberlin) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 22:02:40 -0400 >> From: "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> >> Subject: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC >> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> Message-ID: <94F4CAE4ED0C4AC0BB1660AF1C3A9586@kjonespc> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to study >> and learn. GENTOO just would not stick. >> >> I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 dated >> Jan 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my old "lost" >> files. Hurray!! >> >> Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? >> >> Ken Jones >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100518/2c82159f/attachmen… >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 07:35:45 -0400 >> From: Jorden Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC >> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> Cc: "<wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> Message-ID: <52DB5519-B9DE-47AE-9DC6-FE7E2899906A(a)gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> On May 18, 2010, at 10:02 PM, "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: >> >> > I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to >> > study and learn. GENTOO just would not stick. >> > >> > I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 >> > dated Jan 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my >> > old "lost" files. Hurray!! >> > >> > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? >> >> 'fraid even the computer history museum is still looking for parts to >> get one that can boot. >> >> You can run v7 Unix in a special pdp11 VM for old time sake, though. >> It even has a working version of Ken's chess. >> >> If anyone knows PDP assembly, I'd love to see that program ported into >> the 21st century. >> >> > >> > Ken Jones >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ======= >> > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) >> > http://www.pctools.com >> > ======= >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wlug mailing list >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100519/0644a5bb/attachmen… >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 08:09:12 -0400 >> From: Doug Chamberlin <dougchamberlin(a)earthlink.net> >> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC >> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> Message-ID: <4BF3D4E8.9080303(a)earthlink.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> On 5/18/2010 10:02 PM, Ken Jones wrote: >> > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? >> No, but I have two Dec Alpha systems looking for a good home. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100519/9ba9f378/attachmen… >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> End of Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9 >> *********************************** >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

May 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9

by Richard Klein

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:28 PM, David Hardy <belovedbold357(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I don't have any old DEC equipment anymore, but I started my so-called IT > career on a PDP-11 out in gorgeous Gardner, MA back in 1986. It ran RSX for > an engineering CAD/CAM shop and we also had a VAX 780 running VMS 3.5. Last > version of VMS I've worked with was 7.1, right here in Wormtown. I love > Linux but I have to say I also was in love with VMS. > Rumor had it, back in '89, that there was a field somewhere off Route 12 in > Leominster, where DEC had dumped loads and loads of equipment, including > computers, printers, cables, you-name-it. One of my operators when I was a > sys admin at DEC Marlborough at that time had his front yard filled with > that stuff, and the weather allegedly had no effect on any of it. > I would imagine by now that the field, if it ever existed, is now a condo > development or a semi-abandoned strip mall. > Cheers from South Woostuh! I think DEC had a big facility along route 70 in Lancaster (near route 2) that was sold to Mass. Youth Soccer. That's right near Leominster. -- Rich

May 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9

by David Hardy

I don't have any old DEC equipment anymore, but I started my so-called IT career on a PDP-11 out in gorgeous Gardner, MA back in 1986. It ran RSX for an engineering CAD/CAM shop and we also had a VAX 780 running VMS 3.5. Last version of VMS I've worked with was 7.1, right here in Wormtown. I love Linux but I have to say I also was in love with VMS. Rumor had it, back in '89, that there was a field somewhere off Route 12 in Leominster, where DEC had dumped loads and loads of equipment, including computers, printers, cables, you-name-it. One of my operators when I was a sys admin at DEC Marlborough at that time had his front yard filled with that stuff, and the weather allegedly had no effect on any of it. I would imagine by now that the field, if it ever existed, is now a condo development or a semi-abandoned strip mall. Cheers from South Woostuh! On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Ken Jones) > 2. Re: Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Jorden Mauro) > 3. Re: Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Doug Chamberlin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 22:02:40 -0400 > From: "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> > Subject: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC > To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <94F4CAE4ED0C4AC0BB1660AF1C3A9586@kjonespc> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to study > and learn. GENTOO just would not stick. > > I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 dated Jan > 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my old "lost" files. > Hurray!! > > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? > > Ken Jones > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100518/2c82159f/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 07:35:45 -0400 > From: Jorden Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Cc: "<wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <52DB5519-B9DE-47AE-9DC6-FE7E2899906A(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On May 18, 2010, at 10:02 PM, "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > > > I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to > > study and learn. GENTOO just would not stick. > > > > I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 > > dated Jan 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my > > old "lost" files. Hurray!! > > > > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? > > 'fraid even the computer history museum is still looking for parts to > get one that can boot. > > You can run v7 Unix in a special pdp11 VM for old time sake, though. > It even has a working version of Ken's chess. > > If anyone knows PDP assembly, I'd love to see that program ported into > the 21st century. > > > > > Ken Jones > > > > > > > > > > > > ======= > > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) > > http://www.pctools.com > > ======= > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100519/0644a5bb/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 08:09:12 -0400 > From: Doug Chamberlin <dougchamberlin(a)earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <4BF3D4E8.9080303(a)earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On 5/18/2010 10:02 PM, Ken Jones wrote: > > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? > No, but I have two Dec Alpha systems looking for a good home. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100519/9ba9f378/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9 > *********************************** >

May 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC

by Doug Chamberlin

On 5/18/2010 10:02 PM, Ken Jones wrote: > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? No, but I have two Dec Alpha systems looking for a good home.

May 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC

by Jorden Mauro

On May 18, 2010, at 10:02 PM, "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to > study and learn. GENTOO just would not stick. > > I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 > dated Jan 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my > old "lost" files. Hurray!! > > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? 'fraid even the computer history museum is still looking for parts to get one that can boot. You can run v7 Unix in a special pdp11 VM for old time sake, though. It even has a working version of Ken's chess. If anyone knows PDP assembly, I'd love to see that program ported into the 21st century. > > Ken Jones > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) > http://www.pctools.com > ======= > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

May 19, 2010

Success - antique linux on antique SPARC

by Ken Jones

I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to study and learn. GENTOO just would not stick. I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 dated Jan 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my old "lost" files. Hurray!! Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? Ken Jones ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

May 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] OMG this thing was expensive

by William Smith

Note to self: Don't drink coffee at laptop when reading messages like these... :\ On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Mike Peckar <fog(a)fognet.com> wrote: > This sparked my curiosity, so I looked up the original list price for the HP > 9000 J210 running HPUX someone on this list gave me nearly 10 years ago (and > I still use occasionally). I found specs for a similar unit that had half as > much disk (2GB), only one 120MHZ CPU vs. the 2 on mine and 1/4 the RAM > (64MB)... That beast listed for $85,380 in 1996. > > Wow indeed. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Bill Smith Fall River, MA

May 15, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Progress - hardware issues...

by Chuck Anderson

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 05:00:28PM -0400, Ken Jones wrote: > I used to run Aurora, but the old mirror sights seem to have disappeared. I > have my old five CD aurora disc set, but the CD drive coughs it out when I > try to boot to it. Aurora has become part of the Fedora "secondary architectures" project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/SPARC

May 13, 2010

Progress - hardware issues...

by Ken Jones

Again, Thank you all for being there. My SUN ULTRA 1 Creator had some hardware problems. Its CDROM reader was intermittent. That explained the problem getting GENTOO liveCD disks to work. Now, I have three GENTOO liveCD's. They all boot. ------------------------ One has a printed label. I must have gotten in by snail mail. The label says: GENTOO Linux/2004/sparc64/CD1 Sparc64 Installation Disc 'uname' says it is: liveCD 2.4-gentoo-r2 (I think) Inside is documentation. The most recent date is July 2004. ----------------------------- install-sparc64-minimal-2006.1.iso 'uname' says it is: liveCD 2.6.17-gentoo-r5 ----------------------------- install-sparc64-universal-2006.1.iso 'uname' says it too is: liveCD 2.6.17-gentoo-r5 ----------------------------- I fail to see the difference between the minimal and the universal versions once they are installed. I want a 'real' installation. Not one running off my cdrom drive. I thought that somehow these minimal and universal versions would show me the way. I used to run Aurora, but the old mirror sights seem to have disappeared. I have my old five CD aurora disc set, but the CD drive coughs it out when I try to boot to it. I have saved the files on that hard drive that I had been using as a server. I would like to get the ULTRA running GNOME or KDE, but I am getting a bit lost. A suggestion would be appreciated. Ken

May 13, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: WLUG Meeting Wednesday May 12 7PM

by James Gray

As you might expect WPI has directions available online. http://www.wpi.edu/about/visitors/directions.html http://www.wpi.edu/about/visitors/campusmap.html I've parked several different WPI parking lots and never received any sort of ticket during the evening. (I did get one when I came to hear RMS speak, which was during the day). We usually meet in building H (Morgan Hall) on the campus map. There is a field up and to the right of that building on the map you can see it is criss-crossed by walk ways. There are parking spaces along the perimeter of this field. I usually park here there are usually a few free spaces. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 9:59 AM, <kstratton(a)fastmail.us> wrote: > Could somebody provide an address/parking advice and how to get to the > Morgan Hall? > > Today's topic looks like it might be worth the drive. I have not been > to a meeting yet. > > > On Tue, 11 May 2010 19:06 -0400, "Chuck Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: >> Reminder about tomorrow's WLUG meeting. >> >> On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 02:13:41PM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: >> > Hi folks, >> > >> > Our next WLUG meeting is scheduled to be held on Wednesday, May 12 at >> > 7:00 PM in Morgan Hall at the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. >> > >> > I'm pleased to announce that Jeff Moyer from Red Hat will be our guest >> > speaker. He will be giving a talk on Solid-State Drive technology >> > (SSDs): >> > >> > A Complete Guide to SSDs >> > >> > This talk explains the inner workings of solid state storage >> > technology in an easy to understand manner. The innate properties of >> > NAND flash are discussed in the context of current disk scheduling >> > methodologies. Benchmark results comparing SSDs and traditional >> > rotating media are presented. The talk further outlines changes in the >> > Linux kernel and file system utilities that have been made to >> > accommodate SSDs, and changes that are on their way. Finally, guidance >> > is given on practical deployment of SSDs, including file system >> > creation and mount options, I/O scheduler selection, and answers to >> > some frequently asked questions. >> > >> > I look forward to seeing you there, >> > Chuck >> > President, Worcester Linux Users' Group >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug@mail">Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > -- > > kstratton(a)fastmail.us > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 12, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: WLUG Meeting Wednesday May 12 7PM

by kstratton＠fastmail.us

Could somebody provide an address/parking advice and how to get to the Morgan Hall? Today's topic looks like it might be worth the drive. I have not been to a meeting yet. On Tue, 11 May 2010 19:06 -0400, "Chuck Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > Reminder about tomorrow's WLUG meeting. > > On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 02:13:41PM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > Our next WLUG meeting is scheduled to be held on Wednesday, May 12 at > > 7:00 PM in Morgan Hall at the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. > > > > I'm pleased to announce that Jeff Moyer from Red Hat will be our guest > > speaker. He will be giving a talk on Solid-State Drive technology > > (SSDs): > > > > A Complete Guide to SSDs > > > > This talk explains the inner workings of solid state storage > > technology in an easy to understand manner. The innate properties of > > NAND flash are discussed in the context of current disk scheduling > > methodologies. Benchmark results comparing SSDs and traditional > > rotating media are presented. The talk further outlines changes in the > > Linux kernel and file system utilities that have been made to > > accommodate SSDs, and changes that are on their way. Finally, guidance > > is given on practical deployment of SSDs, including file system > > creation and mount options, I/O scheduler selection, and answers to > > some frequently asked questions. > > > > I look forward to seeing you there, > > Chuck > > President, Worcester Linux Users' Group > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug@mail">Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us

May 12, 2010

Re: [Wlug] I finally got the GEntoo liveCD running.

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 11 May 2010 23:40:08 Ken Jones wrote: > It took me three hours to figure out that at the ok prompt I am meant to > write: > > ok boot cdrom > boot: gentoo-2.4 seems to me that this is spelled out clearly in the sparc handbook: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-sparc.xml?part=1&chap=2 -mike

May 12, 2010